There's been a download sitting on my cell phone for a couple of days, and I was nervous about opening it because I didn't think I had dl'd anything. Turns out it was this interview, and I just listened in bed while watching the sky get light - delightful way to start the day. 

This has to be the best interview ever. So many things to pick out-  like everything about it-  but you'all heard it too. Great job, Chris! And Grace! Thanks kc.