Please don't take anything I say here harshly, I am only trying to repsond to certain points/ideas.  Quoting mainly from Shabazz here...

[quote:7135a5c86b]As far as more endgame content i think everyone would like to see more of it that isnt a question at all. 
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I agree.

[quote:7135a5c86b]If we want to recruit heavier then im fine with that just remember all that comes from open recruiting. There was always open complaints about people that joined us got geared and left for bigger and better things and i guarantee that happens again.[/quote:7135a5c86b]

I think open recruiting is one of the only ways we are going to get the number of people we need (relatively quickly) to be able to do some of the larger raids.  With that said, I dont think guild members are scared of people joining the guild, raiding and getting geared, and then leaving us for bigger better things.  I think the main concern with open recruiting is getting the annoying people that spam guild chat and vent.  Of course that will probably happen, but that is why we have guild leaders, who have the ability to warn or even kick people out of the guild.

[quote:7135a5c86b]We arent a major raiding guild we never have been. If thats a way people want to go then thats something that needs to be discussed. I do believe we can get to 25 mans. [/quote:7135a5c86b]

Understandable, but I feel that there a number of us in the guild that would like to put efforts forth to becoming a guild that does raid more of the &quot;endgame&quot; content.  Simply stated, I dont know if the current leadership wants to put forth the effort to make that happen or even if they have the time to do it.  Thus I would hope that there would be a few of us, guild members, that would help out.  I agree though, that we can, get the numbers if we put forth the effort.

[quote:7135a5c86b]As it was put we were doing 20, but the thing people need to remember was it was hard to get 20 even in our peak sometime. As far as all the pre-bc content we missed come on we were never even close to putting 40 people out there so that statement makes no sense at all.[/quote:7135a5c86b]

I feel that this statement does have legitamacy.  Putting aside the numbers for the time being.  At the rate FSE is going, we will never see the BC &quot;endgame&quot; content, just like the pre-BC &quot;endgame&quot; content.  Now bringing the numbers back in, obviously, we have a greater chance at hitting 25 people rather than 40!  

But really to see this happen we are going to have to see a change to our recruitment policy, further efforts to recruit, more scheduled raid events, and just more structured leadership all together. 

Baeloc posed the question to Zeph...
[quote:7135a5c86b]How many people have you offered up as new members to the guild? I know that you guys pug a spot most of the time on your 5v5 team yet none of them have joined FSE as a guild. 
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Honestly Baeloc, in my opinion (which I know is not always right), pro-active recruitment for the guild should fall on members that have the title &quot;officer&quot; or &quot;counsel&quot; or &quot;leader.&quot;  You guyz are the ones that lead this guild, with the title comes the responsibility.  Now, again, if you dont want to or dont have the time to put forth, then maybe we should have another title for &quot;recruiter&quot; or two or three people on the leadership that has that specific responsibility.

As for the pug people on our 5v5 teams, they generally tend to be from guilds like &quot;H E L&quot; or &quot;Infeste Nex&quot;, heck pretty much from any other raiding guild.  And why the heck would they join us, FSE, that raids Kara (when we have the numbers).  I would gladly ask them to join us if I knew we had something to offer them (in the raiding world), along with the great friendships that we have built inside this guild.

Again I want to repeat, please dont take anything I said here harshly.  I think the current leadership has done a great job building the &quot;core&quot; group of members for the guild.  I honestly can say that there is not a single person in the guild that I dislike or that I would not want to group with (Personality wise).  I just feel that there is so much more to this game that we are missing and I am not ready to give it up just yet.

That being said, this post should have been posted in the &quot;Veine is crazy, or not?&quot; post!  Now you got me all confused as to where to post...any way food for thought...letz discuss it.