perhaps i did not explain the dkp system that well... And if people dont like it we wont use it.... How it works is if 5 people have need for an item 4 guildies and 1 pug they all roll if the pug wins he gets it if a guildy wins the roll, fse then uses dkp where all our guildies that have a need for it uses dkp against each other. So the more guildies you have at the raid the more pure of a dkp system it is... Obviously if you win the roll and no other guildies need it except you you can have it for 0 or 1 dkp however we normally determine that. I believe this will do two things it will encourage our guildies to come to start earning dkp again and the more we have the more chances we will have to win the rolls and use the dkp that we have earned in the past. Obviously the pugs dont use dkp because they are helping us while we have holes in our ranks and they only get one roll at winning it where we get many depending on how many guildies we have.....If you still do not like this concept let  me know before wed and we wont use dkp at all