[quote:89e980d0b6="Masema"]First off, I didn't even notice that the Main topic was in regular guild chat, I should have known since it was a topic for all FSE but I was thinking about it, second everyone who knows me knows that I'm and emotional person and fly off the handle somethimes, very much so here when we have people who in my opinion dont care about anything but themselves.  Soem officers are included in this mess and ar part of the problem.  We have many people we are getting screwed on not only going to raids, but even to be considered for raids.  The fact is most people who want to go to a Kara time never even show up, because if they know that 15-20 people show up for it that they will be left out, because they dont really count.  So the idea to make more raids is a good one, so those people who are getting screwed now have a place they can go to.  But if those people who are going to the main raid (with their mains) and then their alts join the 2nd raid, then the people who already have been screwed into not going to the 1st Kara raid should not be screwed over again by someones ALT.  Thats my whole side of the argument, and I'm not sorry I said anything that I did before, as Jigga said I am sorry I said it in guild chat but I'm not sorry I said it in the 1st place.[/quote:89e980d0b6]

Not sure what guild you're talking about, but that's not how our runs work.  The most we've ever had at a raid time is 12 and when people have to leave we pull other people in.  

Last night we had 11 people to go, we rolled off for the last 2 spots and one person got left out, seems fair enough for me.  Most of the time when people are bringing in their alts it's cause makeup of the party calls for it, and they logged off their mains.

If we had 20 people each night wanting to go it wouldn't be a problem cause we could run two groups.  I've never seen more than 13 at the most that wanted to go.  

I can remember about 3 times total we had to turn down a single person for a raid, Hornarii once, Rosalinda once and last night Steelflesh. 

Have these mystery people who're left out step up and send a tell that they want to even go.