thanks.  yeah i have been humbled by Val so far, but know at some point i will be planting my staff in his butt, but until then, all strats are appreciated.  I know several of us, including me, you, ahkcs, kryos, disenchant all need to kill Val, so one of these evenings we will get a fse group together to down him.  In the mean time, i am plannin got help out some others to get to our level so we have more for the fight.