this really sucks, FSE has always been about freindship. having fun, and helping eachother. Now we are growing and looking forward to endgame content. but at what cost? can we outline guild rules that we can all agree on? i hope so, i think we can, we just have to remember that some times we comprimise for the better of the guild. private forums may bring on suspician( forgive my spelling or lack of) but its nescesarry, so that we can iron these types of things out and get it right before it goes live in guild forums or guild chat. was information leaked, or was there an attempt to council a member, i dont know, i wasnt there. but we as leaders must work together to fix this stuff or FSE will cave in and cease to exist. i dont want to see that come about. as for me and my own foolishness, please GENTLY speak to me if i offend or imbarrass any of my guildmates, i know i have a mouth some times. As for Eavicarr, he is a person i have known for 24 years, but i will not defend his actions or tells while in our guild, i will not sponser him for reinstatment into the guild, what he did is wrong. please remember he has been a person who always looked out for my best interrest and gave me a place to stay and food to eat when i had nothing else. having said that i hope it sheds some light on how i take my position on the council seriouse. As for Ohnoez, the holw thing needed to be worked out in officer before it was brought to him, but its not the end of the world, just a chance to learn from mistakes. the time to speak with Ohnoez was coming, and when that time came Gricham may have been on the right  path. If  decision would have been made and agreed upon ( like probation or atleast an explantion of expectation, or what ever choice was made) it could have been presented in a way that would left us all feeling a little better about the whole thing and other guildies would have a clear understanding of how to opperate in pug's and guild raids. This is not an attack on Gricham or any other officer/counsil, just posting my concerns and outlook on this situation. sorry for the long post, sorry if i offended. see you in game!