Reading this over i have a few things that i would like to say.  First of all i get more annoyed with some of the new peeps more then most. Many of the people i talk to regularly can tell you since they get the rash of tells i send asking things like &quot; Did he really just ay that&quot;.  In my 25 wonderful years of life the one of the things that has been shown to me over and over is, me and some people just dont click.   Although i do not find this a reason to kick people out of a gaming pool guild.  Would i hang out with jtg, kan, and many many others in real life. NO WAY IN HELL but even i can ignore their stupid ranter in guild chat.  See the thing that makes me laugh is do these people frusterate me yes but maybe i have been lucky in the fact that i really only see them in all there glory once a week tops.  WE have other members that fill guild chat with their stupidity on a daily basis that we dont even bring up.  Reason for that being is they are either tied to someone else that we dont want to offend or one of the core brought them in and maybe we dont want to call that out.  All im saying that if we want to make the system that dread talked about work it has to be fair and being annoyed with someone for guild ranter is not a reason i will ever back as a reason for a guild kick.  If i did that then FSE would have 50 members tops with half being alts.  So if this is the step we are going to take i vote we have an officer meeting to hammer out what exact guildines we want to set with activities a person can do forcing us to remove them from the guild.

Off the subject of the actual post i would just like to put in my 2 cents about the hide.  If one does not see this as a straight out ninja im not sure if you have ever actually read the WOW forums.  I cant even remember back when it was a very very very wanted item how many posts were &quot;HECTOR NINJAS HIDE&quot;.  So as a server i thought it was widely known that if the hide falls its a roll for the group.  Even as a guild we always went in to ubrs not even questioning that if the hide fell it was a random roll not the skinners, this wasnt talked about just how the hide was handled.   With the statement of comparing the hide to a crystal first of all ZG is guild run not a PUG second if you want to go to that extreme of a comparison then everytime they skin we need to roll for the thick, rugged, bat, tiger and panter leather cause that is more comparable then a crystal to the hide.