Just wondering if this would solve any problems for us.  If we had a sign-up list and had people sign up for spots that weren't set in stone but some semblance of order such as 1-2 tanks, 2-4 healers, and so on and had people use their better judgement as to what nights they signed up for to raid would it work?  If they signed up, were on and ready they were in, if not, we went to the list of who was on and ready to replace.

I realize we aren't that close to having 2 groups, although it would be great if we did.  If we want to set a goal of the 25 man stuff and have a decent shot we need to start pulling loot more efficiently from Kara.

Here's my thoughts.  We have some people who really need loot from the earlier bosses in Kara, the first night we run it and the fights would be a good chance for them to work on raiding together without much hinging on them.  We have people who stand to gain nothing by running it those nights and only run it so they can have a spot &quot;saved&quot; on the next night when we do bosses from which they want loot from.  This doesn't allow the people who need the loot to all attend or hone their raiding skillz so to speak.  Even if the newer 70's didn't have a great night, they'd learn and the 2nd group on following nights could clean through the carnage left from the previous run.

On other nights when we could really use the players we hope to see coming to illhoof, shade or prince for example, we have some hangers on from the earlier bosses taking spots because they are starved for pretty objects or spots in the raid and want to be the remoras and pick scraps from the feeding frenzy they hope the bigger fish will cause.  (Shark week is cool).  It is looking like it may be headed to a place (or maybe already is) where we are trying to fit too many cars in the 10 lanes of traffic that Karahzan will allow us each week.

I know we have always said, &quot;those who did the work on the first night have dibbs on next&quot;.  Well, in 20 man I think for the size of our guild that worked.  In 10 man, on some of these bosses we don't have a lot of room to carry people.  If someone doesn't go on the first night because they know others will gain more from downing huntsman and maiden they are taking the risk of being left out on nights when they could help the guild and themselves more by staying out for the &quot;farm&quot; bosses and attending the ones we struggle with.

Just my ramblings of frustration here and looking for some ideas.  Just seems like we could take a look at how well the cogs in the FSE machine are oiled.

I had more, but I can't concentrate....talk amongst yourselves.