First off, I didn't even notice that the Main topic was in regular guild chat, I should have known since it was a topic for all FSE but I was thinking about it, second everyone who knows me knows that I'm and emotional person and fly off the handle somethimes, very much so here when we have people who in my opinion dont care about anything but themselves.  Soem officers are included in this mess and ar part of the problem.  We have many people we are getting screwed on not only going to raids, but even to be considered for raids.  The fact is most people who want to go to a Kara time never even show up, because if they know that 15-20 people show up for it that they will be left out, because they dont really count.  So the idea to make more raids is a good one, so those people who are getting screwed now have a place they can go to.  But if those people who are going to the main raid (with their mains) and then their alts join the 2nd raid, then the people who already have been screwed into not going to the 1st Kara raid should not be screwed over again by someones ALT.  Thats my whole side of the argument, and I'm not sorry I said anything that I did before, as Jigga said I am sorry I said it in guild chat but I'm not sorry I said it in the 1st place.