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INSERT INTO `phpbb_privmsgs` VALUES (3,0,11,0,'',1032275178,1,1,1,1,'The Plug','The plug is a check and fill plug for #90wt grease','',0,0,'gA==','2g1t88vp',0,0,'u_11','',0),(4,0,11,0,'',1032275178,1,1,1,1,'The Plug','The plug is a check and fill plug for #90wt grease','',0,0,'gA==','2g1t88vp',0,0,'u_11','',0),(8,0,64,0,'',1037930477,1,1,1,1,'','Hi, hope all is well! I take it you are the editor of the magazine?','',0,0,'gA==','s48leoqv',0,0,'u_64','',0),(12,0,7,0,'',1038275116,1,1,1,1,'How\\\'s the neighborhood','Been checking out the forum lately and saw you here','',0,0,'gA==','28vyojik',0,0,'u_7','',0),(18,0,17,0,'',1038285230,1,1,1,1,'Re: message board','When the message board sends that password, what it is actually doing is resetting it and randomly generating a new one and then emails it to you. After that, if you want to change your password, just go to your control panel and then edit your profile and enter the new password of your choice in the apropriate spot.\r\n\r\nI have been working with Terry on his but we aren\'t getting anywhere. I finally deleted his account so he can set it up from scratch again. I\'m not sure what was going on, because when he sent his name and password to me, I was able to log on as him and even made a post with his account. I of course deleted this test post once I had seen it worked. Hopefully this will fix him up because he needs to be able to reply to what Andy says.\r\n\r\n[quote:1be7dai9][quote:1be7dai9]Are you having trouble with the poll on the dues increase? I have been talking to Terry Allen trying to straighten this out.[/quote:1be7dai9]  Chris, NO I didn\'t have any problems after I found my PASSWORD. Just a bunch of letters and numbers I\'ve never seen before. Entered them in password box and poll worked good for me. Let me know if others still can\'t get in and I\'ll explain how I found my password. Thanks  oleblu[/quote:1be7dai9]','',0,0,'gA==','1be7dai9',0,0,'u_17','',0),(21,0,17,0,'',1038286089,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Hey Andy. I just noticed I had a U2U message. Pretty neat huh? Just checking in on things here...\r\n\r\nTalk to you later\r\n\r\n[quote:1jqiojj2]Hye, Chris,\nI see you are on line, Whatya think? I\'m going to get offline so I can call Luke in Ca. Maybe I can get thru. I still need to get y\'all in contact on that other thing.[/quote:1jqiojj2]','',0,0,'gA==','1jqiojj2',0,0,'u_17','',0),(22,0,17,0,'',1038286089,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Hey Andy. I just noticed I had a U2U message. Pretty neat huh? Just checking in on things here...\r\n\r\nTalk to you later\r\n\r\n[quote:1jqiojj2]Hye, Chris,\nI see you are on line, Whatya think? I\'m going to get offline so I can call Luke in Ca. Maybe I can get thru. I still need to get y\'all in contact on that other thing.[/quote:1jqiojj2]','',0,0,'gA==','1jqiojj2',0,0,'u_17','',0),(25,0,17,0,'',1038286852,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Ok, Luke out in California. I believe I talked to him for awhile in the vendor room. I think he lives up in the hill country.\r\nThanks for looking into it. We can\'t have too many allies in this project as far as I am concerned.\r\n\r\n[quote]Yeah, this is cool! I just talked to Luke, that person you will need to contact lives in Watsonville, looks positive! Bill Bechtold, the younger one, has the in there. Luke doesn\'t have e-mail, he said he thinks Bill does. You might want to see if Sherry has Bill\'s address.','',0,0,'','yb7t232a',0,0,'u_17','',0),(26,0,17,0,'',1038286852,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Ok, Luke out in California. I believe I talked to him for awhile in the vendor room. I think he lives up in the hill country.\r\nThanks for looking into it. We can\'t have too many allies in this project as far as I am concerned.\r\n\r\n[quote]Yeah, this is cool! I just talked to Luke, that person you will need to contact lives in Watsonville, looks positive! Bill Bechtold, the younger one, has the in there. Luke doesn\'t have e-mail, he said he thinks Bill does. You might want to see if Sherry has Bill\'s address.','',0,0,'','yb7t232a',0,0,'u_17','',0),(29,0,17,0,'',1038287594,1,1,1,1,'AOL Instant messenger.','Hey Andy, You can find out more about that AOL instant messenger that I was telling you about by going to <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.aim.com\">http://www.aim.com</a><!-- m --> and you can also download it from there. Plus it is free.','',0,0,'','3h4l5ufl',0,0,'u_17','',0),(30,0,17,0,'',1038287594,1,1,1,1,'AOL Instant messenger.','Hey Andy, You can find out more about that AOL instant messenger that I was telling you about by going to <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.aim.com\">http://www.aim.com</a><!-- m --> and you can also download it from there. Plus it is free.','',0,0,'','3h4l5ufl',0,0,'u_17','',0),(33,0,17,0,'',1038288291,1,1,1,1,'Re: AOL Instant messenger.','I have used MS messenger too. It\'s a good program, but most people seem to be using AIM.\r\n\r\nGetting past bedtime here. \r\nTalk to you later.\r\nChris','',0,0,'','royj7f86',0,0,'u_17','',0),(34,0,17,0,'',1038288291,1,1,1,1,'Re: AOL Instant messenger.','I have used MS messenger too. It\'s a good program, but most people seem to be using AIM.\r\n\r\nGetting past bedtime here. \r\nTalk to you later.\r\nChris','',0,0,'','royj7f86',0,0,'u_17','',0),(40,0,7,0,'',1038337905,1,1,1,1,'Re: How\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'s the neighborhood','[quote:3tcyav64] John, yes, the topics of the dues increase and the Board of Directors have drawn lots of comments, so I try to stay informed. You sure know how to pick the GOOD weekend. The following weekend after you were in Knoxville was not nearly as nice as the first. I\'m planning on attending your show next summer, can\'t wait. The guys want to know if you have any plowing and if so, how much? We may bring a plow to pass around among us if possible. Later  Jim[/quote:3tcyav64]\r\nJim, we have an unlimited amount of area to plow so you  are most certainly wwelcome to bring one. As a matter of fact discs, balers, rakes, combines and anything else you can think of. We also have a pretty good selection of plows at the club that anyone is welcome to hook to and pull. John','',0,0,'gA==','3tcyav64',0,0,'u_7','',0),(41,0,17,0,'',1038367121,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Yes, AIM is pretty much the same thing. Just not bloated over like ICQ has become. I used to use ICQ, but between the updates that added more useless stuff and the spam I would get from it, I finally uninstalled it. Plus it didn\'t have the talk feature.\r\n\r\n[quote:19qrgaxu]My brother had me doing some stuff on ICQ several years ago, is this aim the same kind of thing?[/quote:19qrgaxu]','',0,0,'gA==','19qrgaxu',0,0,'u_17','',0),(42,0,17,0,'',1038367121,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Yes, AIM is pretty much the same thing. Just not bloated over like ICQ has become. I used to use ICQ, but between the updates that added more useless stuff and the spam I would get from it, I finally uninstalled it. Plus it didn\'t have the talk feature.\r\n\r\n[quote:19qrgaxu]My brother had me doing some stuff on ICQ several years ago, is this aim the same kind of thing?[/quote:19qrgaxu]','',0,0,'gA==','19qrgaxu',0,0,'u_17','',0),(43,0,72,0,'',1038884236,1,1,1,1,'S.B. Musume','If there is any thing that needs to be done\r\nfeel free to contact me at home at \r\n260-563-2056 leave a message I will get back with you the computer isn\'t my best\r\nmeans of communicating.','',0,0,'gA==','pf7tsegl',0,0,'u_72','',0),(44,0,72,0,'',1038884236,1,1,1,1,'S.B. Musume','If there is any thing that needs to be done\r\nfeel free to contact me at home at \r\n260-563-2056 leave a message I will get back with you the computer isn\'t my best\r\nmeans of communicating.','',0,0,'gA==','pf7tsegl',0,0,'u_72','',0),(46,0,17,0,'',1038969348,1,1,1,1,'Re: S.B. Musume','Larry,\r\n\r\nThanks for stepping forward. I\'ll keep your name and number handy. I think this museum project is going to pass, just from the positive responses I have been getting. It won\'t be too long and we\'ll know for sure.\r\n\r\nChris\r\n\r\n[quote:1susjp57]If there is any thing that needs to be done\nfeel free to contact me at home at \n260-563-2056 leave a message I will get back with you the computer isn\'t my best\nmeans of communicating. [/quote:1susjp57]','',0,0,'gA==','1susjp57',0,0,'u_17','',0),(49,0,17,0,'',1039366191,1,1,1,1,'Re: Hey Chris','Andy,\r\n\r\nThat happened when I upgraded the message boards to the latest version. There are a few posts where the word bottom magically appeared for some reason. Apparently it happened when the upgrade program was converting the databases to work with the new version. It shouldn\'t happen again. One nice thing, the edit post feature is now working, so if it is your post, you can go back in and fix it.\r\n\r\nOn that note, on your post about seeing the Muslims going through customs without any trouble, you may want to consider editing that. You are entitled to your opinion, but search engines will pick up the word muslim in that post and the HPOCA may start to get some unwanted attention. Just something to think about...\r\n\r\nChris\r\n\r\n[quote:12f2srye]On page 1 of the topic I have going on the HPOCA forum, the last post on page 1, near the bottom is the word \'bottom\', it is right in the middle of the text. You need to look at this, and correct the format. I am certain that this will happen on other topics as they go to additional pages.[/quote:12f2srye]','',0,0,'gA==','12f2srye',0,0,'u_17','',0),(50,0,17,0,'',1039366191,1,1,1,1,'Re: Hey Chris','Andy,\r\n\r\nThat happened when I upgraded the message boards to the latest version. There are a few posts where the word bottom magically appeared for some reason. Apparently it happened when the upgrade program was converting the databases to work with the new version. It shouldn\'t happen again. One nice thing, the edit post feature is now working, so if it is your post, you can go back in and fix it.\r\n\r\nOn that note, on your post about seeing the Muslims going through customs without any trouble, you may want to consider editing that. You are entitled to your opinion, but search engines will pick up the word muslim in that post and the HPOCA may start to get some unwanted attention. Just something to think about...\r\n\r\nChris\r\n\r\n[quote:12f2srye]On page 1 of the topic I have going on the HPOCA forum, the last post on page 1, near the bottom is the word \'bottom\', it is right in the middle of the text. You need to look at this, and correct the format. I am certain that this will happen on other topics as they go to additional pages.[/quote:12f2srye]','',0,0,'gA==','12f2srye',0,0,'u_17','',0),(51,0,17,0,'',1039377076,1,1,1,1,'correction on bottom','Andy, I found the reason it was throwing the word bottom in. It was the censor sustituting the bottom for the word ass. Even if the word is in the middle of another word, such as password, it will replace it. Apparently, when I did the upgrade, it changed the way the censors were working. I removed the censor for ass since it is in the middle of so many words. Come to think of it, I\'d beter change the one for cock is the case of the word cockshutt!!!\r\n\r\nChris','',0,0,'gA==','lctx2ect',0,0,'u_17','',0),(52,0,17,0,'',1039377076,1,1,1,1,'correction on bottom','Andy, I found the reason it was throwing the word bottom in. It was the censor sustituting the bottom for the word ass. Even if the word is in the middle of another word, such as password, it will replace it. Apparently, when I did the upgrade, it changed the way the censors were working. I removed the censor for ass since it is in the middle of so many words. Come to think of it, I\'d beter change the one for cock is the case of the word cockshutt!!!\r\n\r\nChris','',0,0,'gA==','lctx2ect',0,0,'u_17','',0),(57,0,17,0,'',1039407080,1,1,1,1,'Re: More expenses','This is all news to me. I thought Sherry was going to take over Mary Ann\'s duties. Who are the folks from Texas? The crazy part of this is that there is going to be a board meeting this coming Saturday, the 14th in Shelbyville, IN. I assume you know about the meeting, are you going to be there? Where did you hear this?\r\n\r\nSorry it looked like I was online, my browser was giving me trouble and I apparently didn\'t log out when I was here last.\r\n\r\n[quote:2dsn9ozi]I just heard Terry signed a contract with those folks in Texas to do Mary Ann\'s job, at 3 times the cost!!! I talked with Mary Ann a few weeks ago, she is unhappy about the Calif. meeting, I am certain that she would had considered a little more money, and a lot more job security. At least I have the most confidence in her compared to all employees. She just does the job, doesn\'t start stuff, easy to get along with. The thing that really gets me is no meeting, motion, or anything was taken on this matter. I wonder how legal it is. All Terry did was call directors on the phone.[/quote:2dsn9ozi]','',0,0,'gA==','2dsn9ozi',0,0,'u_17','',0),(58,0,17,0,'',1039407080,1,1,1,1,'Re: More expenses','This is all news to me. I thought Sherry was going to take over Mary Ann\'s duties. Who are the folks from Texas? The crazy part of this is that there is going to be a board meeting this coming Saturday, the 14th in Shelbyville, IN. I assume you know about the meeting, are you going to be there? Where did you hear this?\r\n\r\nSorry it looked like I was online, my browser was giving me trouble and I apparently didn\'t log out when I was here last.\r\n\r\n[quote:2dsn9ozi]I just heard Terry signed a contract with those folks in Texas to do Mary Ann\'s job, at 3 times the cost!!! I talked with Mary Ann a few weeks ago, she is unhappy about the Calif. meeting, I am certain that she would had considered a little more money, and a lot more job security. At least I have the most confidence in her compared to all employees. She just does the job, doesn\'t start stuff, easy to get along with. The thing that really gets me is no meeting, motion, or anything was taken on this matter. I wonder how legal it is. All Terry did was call directors on the phone.[/quote:2dsn9ozi]','',0,0,'gA==','2dsn9ozi',0,0,'u_17','',0),(61,0,17,0,'',1039494734,1,1,1,1,'Re: More expenses','It should be an interesting meeting. I plan on being there, as will Larry Widner and Bill Gamble. Now if we can just keep them out of executive session...\r\n\r\n[quote:25ifsp5s]I heard it from Lee. When would Sherry have the time? Supposedly under contract to keep an office open 40 hours a week, during such time producing a magazine on time, then they put the website, and shipping orders on top of that. I can see potential for problems. Paul Rode is adamant that Sherry needs to do the magazine, and only that. I feel he knows what he is talking about, don\'t put all eggs in 1 basket. Those folks in Texas are the same ones that handle Antique Powers subscriptions, and they put it to us, no vaseline, raking it in with both hands. There were better solutions available. I\'ll be at the meeting, I think Paul will unload, I want to see that.[quote:25ifsp5s]This is all news to me. I thought Sherry was going to take over Mary Ann\'s duties. Who are the folks from Texas? The crazy part of this is that there is going to be a board meeting this coming Saturday, the 14th in Shelbyville, IN. I assume you know about the meeting, are you going to be there? Where did you hear this?\n\nSorry it looked like I was online, my browser was giving me trouble and I apparently didn\'t log out when I was here last.\n\n[quote:25ifsp5s]I just heard Terry signed a contract with those folks in Texas to do Mary Ann\'s job, at 3 times the cost!!! I talked with Mary Ann a few weeks ago, she is unhappy about the Calif. meeting, I am certain that she would had considered a little more money, and a lot more job security. At least I have the most confidence in her compared to all employees. She just does the job, doesn\'t start stuff, easy to get along with. The thing that really gets me is no meeting, motion, or anything was taken on this matter. I wonder how legal it is. All Terry did was call directors on the phone.[/quote:25ifsp5s][/quote:25ifsp5s][/quote:25ifsp5s]','',0,0,'gA==','25ifsp5s',0,0,'u_17','',0),(62,0,17,0,'',1039494734,1,1,1,1,'Re: More expenses','It should be an interesting meeting. I plan on being there, as will Larry Widner and Bill Gamble. Now if we can just keep them out of executive session...\r\n\r\n[quote:25ifsp5s]I heard it from Lee. When would Sherry have the time? Supposedly under contract to keep an office open 40 hours a week, during such time producing a magazine on time, then they put the website, and shipping orders on top of that. I can see potential for problems. Paul Rode is adamant that Sherry needs to do the magazine, and only that. I feel he knows what he is talking about, don\'t put all eggs in 1 basket. Those folks in Texas are the same ones that handle Antique Powers subscriptions, and they put it to us, no vaseline, raking it in with both hands. There were better solutions available. I\'ll be at the meeting, I think Paul will unload, I want to see that.[quote:25ifsp5s]This is all news to me. I thought Sherry was going to take over Mary Ann\'s duties. Who are the folks from Texas? The crazy part of this is that there is going to be a board meeting this coming Saturday, the 14th in Shelbyville, IN. I assume you know about the meeting, are you going to be there? Where did you hear this?\n\nSorry it looked like I was online, my browser was giving me trouble and I apparently didn\'t log out when I was here last.\n\n[quote:25ifsp5s]I just heard Terry signed a contract with those folks in Texas to do Mary Ann\'s job, at 3 times the cost!!! I talked with Mary Ann a few weeks ago, she is unhappy about the Calif. meeting, I am certain that she would had considered a little more money, and a lot more job security. At least I have the most confidence in her compared to all employees. She just does the job, doesn\'t start stuff, easy to get along with. The thing that really gets me is no meeting, motion, or anything was taken on this matter. I wonder how legal it is. All Terry did was call directors on the phone.[/quote:25ifsp5s][/quote:25ifsp5s][/quote:25ifsp5s]','',0,0,'gA==','25ifsp5s',0,0,'u_17','',0),(64,0,26,0,'',1039530451,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:3eywg99g]Hi, hope all is well! I take it you are the editor of the magazine?[/quote:3eywg99g]\r\n\r\nHi,\r\nI just got your message because I haven\'t been playing on this site lately.  Been too busy trying to get a magazine to the printers.  Yes, I am the editor.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','3eywg99g',0,0,'u_26','',0),(65,0,56,0,'',1039662775,1,1,1,1,'','hey, what do you mean the old days!! ha, if you get down this way sometime look me up and visit my \"junk yard of olivers\" as my wife calls it. i am not going to drive my 535 all the way up there, but hope to bring maybe my 77 and a mower. talk to you later..','',0,0,'gA==','2sclmmc0',0,0,'u_56','',0),(66,0,56,0,'',1039662775,1,1,1,1,'','hey, what do you mean the old days!! ha, if you get down this way sometime look me up and visit my \"junk yard of olivers\" as my wife calls it. i am not going to drive my 535 all the way up there, but hope to bring maybe my 77 and a mower. talk to you later..','',0,0,'gA==','2sclmmc0',0,0,'u_56','',0),(68,0,7,0,'',1039665064,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:16gggwtd]hey, what do you mean the old days!! ha, if you get down this way sometime look me up and visit my \"junk yard of olivers\" as my wife calls it. i am not going to drive my 535 all the way up there, but hope to bring maybe my 77 and a mower. talk to you later.. [/quote:16gggwtd]Well, it\'s been a while. I used to hang out with the Borrenphl boys from Venedy and dated one of the girls for a while, but that was 30 years ago. Now my kids are married and it\'s just me, mom and the farm. John','',0,0,'gA==','16gggwtd',0,0,'u_7','',0),(73,0,17,0,'',1040261612,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Thanks for looking into this. Ollie Cunningham has definitely thrown a new wrinkle into everything.\r\n\r\n[quote:3b2pmpgu]That Oliver heir in California is Barbara Indra, I am currently searching for famliy info that would show where in the pecking order she stands. She is I believe the great grand daughter of James Oliver.[/quote:3b2pmpgu]','',0,0,'gA==','3b2pmpgu',0,0,'u_17','',0),(74,0,17,0,'',1040261612,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Thanks for looking into this. Ollie Cunningham has definitely thrown a new wrinkle into everything.\r\n\r\n[quote:3b2pmpgu]That Oliver heir in California is Barbara Indra, I am currently searching for famliy info that would show where in the pecking order she stands. She is I believe the great grand daughter of James Oliver.[/quote:3b2pmpgu]','',0,0,'gA==','3b2pmpgu',0,0,'u_17','',0),(77,0,17,0,'',1040351564,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','I have already started going ahead with things as if Ollie Cunningham never called. I have talked to Bob Schaeffer and Ron Radecki and we are planning on meeting in early January to start working on things as previously planned. If Ollie wants to cough up some serious money, then we can talk. Ron says that the same idea was passed around when the Studebaker Collectors were moving locations. And basically Ollie was the driving force behind that too. They didn\'t end up going his way then either. I\'m not going to rule him out, but he isn\'t going to run the show with a donation that is going to be a drop in the bucket.\r\n\r\n[quote:282x8vjy]Not necessarily, I relate much of business to a military nature, due to education and experience. I forwarded you a message from Dick Welch, he was NSA (no such agency) and has for several years been in the museum administration business, he pretty well explained the pit falls. In one of my specialties, psych-ops, the strategy is that once you create fear in an adversary, you have reduced the battle to less than 50%. Ollie Cunningham struck pure fear in Terry, that is obvious, and it was on behalf of the Northern Indiana Historical Society, you can have no doubt of that. All that is necessary is to stay the course, in the beginning the Oliver Foundation was not under consideration to finance this thing, only after completion they MIGHT help with the endowment. You must be strong, if not you will be defeated, plain and simple! Stick to your guns and make it work. As far as Barbara goes, we need a female in the family for support. Haven\'t you ever noticed that in any family the females get their way? I\'ll get back with you on tactics once you digest this and think it over a while. One thing for sure, I can defeat the board, because they fear![quote:282x8vjy]Thanks for looking into this. Ollie Cunningham has definitely thrown a new wrinkle into everything.\n\n[quote:282x8vjy]That Oliver heir in California is Barbara Indra, I am currently searching for famliy info that would show where in the pecking order she stands. She is I believe the great grand daughter of James Oliver.[/quote:282x8vjy][/quote:282x8vjy][/quote:282x8vjy]','',0,0,'gA==','282x8vjy',0,0,'u_17','',0),(78,0,17,0,'',1040351564,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','I have already started going ahead with things as if Ollie Cunningham never called. I have talked to Bob Schaeffer and Ron Radecki and we are planning on meeting in early January to start working on things as previously planned. If Ollie wants to cough up some serious money, then we can talk. Ron says that the same idea was passed around when the Studebaker Collectors were moving locations. And basically Ollie was the driving force behind that too. They didn\'t end up going his way then either. I\'m not going to rule him out, but he isn\'t going to run the show with a donation that is going to be a drop in the bucket.\r\n\r\n[quote:282x8vjy]Not necessarily, I relate much of business to a military nature, due to education and experience. I forwarded you a message from Dick Welch, he was NSA (no such agency) and has for several years been in the museum administration business, he pretty well explained the pit falls. In one of my specialties, psych-ops, the strategy is that once you create fear in an adversary, you have reduced the battle to less than 50%. Ollie Cunningham struck pure fear in Terry, that is obvious, and it was on behalf of the Northern Indiana Historical Society, you can have no doubt of that. All that is necessary is to stay the course, in the beginning the Oliver Foundation was not under consideration to finance this thing, only after completion they MIGHT help with the endowment. You must be strong, if not you will be defeated, plain and simple! Stick to your guns and make it work. As far as Barbara goes, we need a female in the family for support. Haven\'t you ever noticed that in any family the females get their way? I\'ll get back with you on tactics once you digest this and think it over a while. One thing for sure, I can defeat the board, because they fear![quote:282x8vjy]Thanks for looking into this. Ollie Cunningham has definitely thrown a new wrinkle into everything.\n\n[quote:282x8vjy]That Oliver heir in California is Barbara Indra, I am currently searching for famliy info that would show where in the pecking order she stands. She is I believe the great grand daughter of James Oliver.[/quote:282x8vjy][/quote:282x8vjy][/quote:282x8vjy]','',0,0,'gA==','282x8vjy',0,0,'u_17','',0),(83,0,17,0,'',1040399311,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Check your email, I found what you had sent to me.\r\n\r\n[quote:3kxrjec7]I guess I deleted that message from Dick Welch. I\'ll e-mail him telling our progress, then get his opinion, that might take a day or three.[/quote:3kxrjec7]','',0,0,'gA==','3kxrjec7',0,0,'u_17','',0),(84,0,17,0,'',1040399311,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Check your email, I found what you had sent to me.\r\n\r\n[quote:3kxrjec7]I guess I deleted that message from Dick Welch. I\'ll e-mail him telling our progress, then get his opinion, that might take a day or three.[/quote:3kxrjec7]','',0,0,'gA==','3kxrjec7',0,0,'u_17','',0),(85,0,17,0,'',1040399652,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','I had been thinking of sending Ollie Cunningham a copy of the newsletter. I think I\'ll send one to each of them.\r\n\r\nFor a copy of the tax return for the foundation check out <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://fdncenter.org/cgi-bin/findershow.cgi?id=OLIV002\">http://fdncenter.org/cgi-bin/findershow.cgi?id=OLIV002</a><!-- m -->\r\nYou can get a copy of their tax return there.\r\n\r\n[quote:2oswofli]I agree to proceed as normal is the best route. I might send Barbara a Christmas card today, from our chapter, you might have Larry Widner do the same, it will let her know she hasn\'t been forgotten. Her address is; Barbara Indra, 6250 North Pointe Ct.,Aptos, CA 95003. Mention her 1997 presentation in Sacramento. She really enjoyed herself there, and liked the attention her daughter got. The problem was with Sherry, she promised Barbara to do an article in the mag, it never happened, I guess too much competition. You should sent her a complimentary copy of Chapter One News. I still think this thing can work, but now the board will be the problem, Ollie scared Terry, who in turn scared the board, except for Paul and Pete, they weren\'t scared. I talked to Larry Gay the other day, now he looks at all the negative aspects of the building, taking Terry\'s viewpoint. I had to make the point that the members voted for the building, not the other proposal, and approval of the other proposal can in no way be considered the will of the members. I think the $13M figure is as close to the facts as any, the other figures are completely out of reality, there has been 3 generations since any of them created wealth, money goes as fast as it comes. One thing kind of sticks in my mind was Barbara told us they closed Copshaholm because it was costing a fortune to keep up, and only Ollie was living there. Does that tell you something? I think the kids control more than Ollie would lead us to believe, they kicked him out of the mansion!!! If Ollie has his way, HPOCA will never control this museum, I can see that forming already. The Northern Indiana Historical Society will have it all. That is probably the situation with Studebaker, they didn\'t fall for it either. But, they want us to do all the work, provide all the stuff, then they get all the credit for it! LOL I need to see if I still have that e-mail Dick Welch sent, if so I will forward it to you again. I would like to see if we can get Dick in this equation, he is a good man, and a professional in these matters. We would need to pay him, but I think he would work with us like Ron is. Raise the funds, then get compensated by consulting fees.[/quote:2oswofli]','',0,0,'gA==','2oswofli',0,0,'u_17','',0),(86,0,17,0,'',1040399652,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','I had been thinking of sending Ollie Cunningham a copy of the newsletter. I think I\'ll send one to each of them.\r\n\r\nFor a copy of the tax return for the foundation check out <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://fdncenter.org/cgi-bin/findershow.cgi?id=OLIV002\">http://fdncenter.org/cgi-bin/findershow.cgi?id=OLIV002</a><!-- m -->\r\nYou can get a copy of their tax return there.\r\n\r\n[quote:2oswofli]I agree to proceed as normal is the best route. I might send Barbara a Christmas card today, from our chapter, you might have Larry Widner do the same, it will let her know she hasn\'t been forgotten. Her address is; Barbara Indra, 6250 North Pointe Ct.,Aptos, CA 95003. Mention her 1997 presentation in Sacramento. She really enjoyed herself there, and liked the attention her daughter got. The problem was with Sherry, she promised Barbara to do an article in the mag, it never happened, I guess too much competition. You should sent her a complimentary copy of Chapter One News. I still think this thing can work, but now the board will be the problem, Ollie scared Terry, who in turn scared the board, except for Paul and Pete, they weren\'t scared. I talked to Larry Gay the other day, now he looks at all the negative aspects of the building, taking Terry\'s viewpoint. I had to make the point that the members voted for the building, not the other proposal, and approval of the other proposal can in no way be considered the will of the members. I think the $13M figure is as close to the facts as any, the other figures are completely out of reality, there has been 3 generations since any of them created wealth, money goes as fast as it comes. One thing kind of sticks in my mind was Barbara told us they closed Copshaholm because it was costing a fortune to keep up, and only Ollie was living there. Does that tell you something? I think the kids control more than Ollie would lead us to believe, they kicked him out of the mansion!!! If Ollie has his way, HPOCA will never control this museum, I can see that forming already. The Northern Indiana Historical Society will have it all. That is probably the situation with Studebaker, they didn\'t fall for it either. But, they want us to do all the work, provide all the stuff, then they get all the credit for it! LOL I need to see if I still have that e-mail Dick Welch sent, if so I will forward it to you again. I would like to see if we can get Dick in this equation, he is a good man, and a professional in these matters. We would need to pay him, but I think he would work with us like Ron is. Raise the funds, then get compensated by consulting fees.[/quote:2oswofli]','',0,0,'gA==','2oswofli',0,0,'u_17','',0),(89,0,56,0,'',1040525580,1,1,1,1,'22 mower','here is my e-mail  address <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:chuckb@egyptian.net\">chuckb@egyptian.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','33i3nxj5',0,0,'u_56','',0),(90,0,56,0,'',1040525580,1,1,1,1,'22 mower','here is my e-mail  address <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:chuckb@egyptian.net\">chuckb@egyptian.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','33i3nxj5',0,0,'u_56','',0),(92,0,56,0,'',1040689426,1,1,1,1,'74 picker','i left some replies to your post on the mounting parts. sorry i can\'t give you any dimensions. hope this helps drop me a line and let me know what you think.','',0,0,'gA==','37ekoheh',0,0,'u_56','',0),(94,0,87,0,'',1040749121,1,1,1,1,'Re: 74 picker','I really appreciate the pictures.  I should be able to make the brackets out of some angle irons and a piece of flat welded together.  Thanks again.','',0,0,'gA==','3v4zwmwe',0,0,'u_87','',0),(97,0,94,0,'',1041197778,1,1,1,1,'In Quesnel, aslo Super 55 Owner','Hi, I see you are in the lower mainlind.  \r\nI am in Quesnel.  I also have a Super 55!\r\nIts a neat tractor, but I am having trouble\r\nwith it.  \r\n\r\nAre you able to give me some pointers?\r\n\r\nStuart Lebeck\r\n250-249-5253','',0,0,'gA==','4r3re1o7',0,0,'u_94','',0),(98,0,94,0,'',1041197778,1,1,1,1,'In Quesnel, aslo Super 55 Owner','Hi, I see you are in the lower mainlind.  \r\nI am in Quesnel.  I also have a Super 55!\r\nIts a neat tractor, but I am having trouble\r\nwith it.  \r\n\r\nAre you able to give me some pointers?\r\n\r\nStuart Lebeck\r\n250-249-5253','',0,0,'gA==','4r3re1o7',0,0,'u_94','',0),(101,0,100,0,'',1041615135,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 60 grille','I have lots of 60 parts to get rid of whatever dosnt sell in the next 30 days I am scraping\r\nI do have some grille parts. They need to be restored (body n paint) exactly what do you need\r\ntony\r\nPS  I am also selling a 60 row crop fully restored. nice! to best offer in 30 days','',0,0,'gA==','2v1ssmnr',0,0,'u_100','',0),(103,0,106,0,'',1042045411,1,1,1,1,'Board suggestion','I\'m brand new to the board, and appreciate another board to \"surf\".  Only suggestion would be to change the color of the topic after one has viewed it- most of the other boards do so, and my memory isn\'t what it used to be, so I waste time looking at posts I\'ve already seen.  Thanks- Mike (WA)','',0,0,'gA==','1cot7xr2',0,0,'u_106','',0),(104,0,106,0,'',1042045411,1,1,1,1,'Board suggestion','I\'m brand new to the board, and appreciate another board to \"surf\".  Only suggestion would be to change the color of the topic after one has viewed it- most of the other boards do so, and my memory isn\'t what it used to be, so I waste time looking at posts I\'ve already seen.  Thanks- Mike (WA)','',0,0,'gA==','1cot7xr2',0,0,'u_106','',0),(105,0,18,0,'',1042093824,1,1,1,1,'Re: In Quesnel, aslo Super 55 Owner','Stu, \r\nI am fairly new to tractor collecting, but I have been workin on mine.  I think I sent an email to you, but anyhow, I have the full repair manual and parts manual. Any problems you have email me and I can look it up for you if I haven\'t experienced the problem myself.  What kind of problems are you having?\r\nPaul','',0,0,'gA==','ebijoybo',0,0,'u_18','',0),(111,0,56,0,'',1042332034,1,1,1,1,'Pennfield','hey john, i have a question. do you know or can you find out if the portable unloading ramp that was there at the show last year will be there again this year. my wifes cousin has a semi with a regular flat bed trailer that sits high and he said that the ramp worked good. he said he will have room for my 77 this year if i go. talk to you later and thanks  oliver farmer (chuck and melissa)','',0,0,'gA==','2zq0lpxn',0,0,'u_56','',0),(112,0,56,0,'',1042332034,1,1,1,1,'Pennfield','hey john, i have a question. do you know or can you find out if the portable unloading ramp that was there at the show last year will be there again this year. my wifes cousin has a semi with a regular flat bed trailer that sits high and he said that the ramp worked good. he said he will have room for my 77 this year if i go. talk to you later and thanks  oliver farmer (chuck and melissa)','',0,0,'gA==','2zq0lpxn',0,0,'u_56','',0),(113,0,35,0,'',1042332626,1,1,1,1,'Re: 550','[quote:j7ruuf2m]Iwas looking at some of your Oliver questions, one on the 550 model changes and the model 500. I used to work for a dealertoo.Give me a reply at : <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:aschwieb@brigth.net\">aschwieb@brigth.net</a><!-- e -->[/quote:j7ruuf2m]\r\n\r\nJohn  I am sorry I took so long to reply but my computer caught a bug. I am in TN and can be reached by Email or phone 731 424 4104. Looking forward to hearing from you.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','j7ruuf2m',0,0,'u_35','',0),(117,0,35,0,'',1042332852,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 550 changes','[quote:gmkfuf8t]Thanks for the info Frank.  \nIt did not make sense that someone had gone to all the trouble of changing both the grill and hood.\nIn looking through the ytmag\'s archives, I found a posting by \"Sherry\" on 9/19/2000 and she states that the 550 switched to the fiberglass grill at the very end of 1962.  Don\'t know if that posting was from our HPOCA Sherry.\nI like your info better - cuz - finding the older hood and grill could get very expensive!!\nThanks,\nBarrie[/quote:gmkfuf8t]  Happy I could help.','',0,0,'gA==','gmkfuf8t',0,0,'u_35','',0),(124,0,7,0,'',1042429970,1,1,1,1,'Re: Pennfield','[quote:1usm95g5]hey john, i have a question. do you know or can you find out if the portable unloading ramp that was there at the show last year will be there again this year. my wifes cousin has a semi with a regular flat bed trailer that sits high and he said that the ramp worked good. he said he will have room for my 77 this year if i go. talk to you \n\nlater and thanks  oliver farmer (chuck and melissa)[/quote:1usm95g5]\r\n\r\nAs far as I know it will be, in fact I think it is still there. We also have a permanent dock west of the grounds that a lot of trucks use. John','',0,0,'gA==','1usm95g5',0,0,'u_7','',0),(126,0,111,0,'',1042492069,1,1,1,1,'Rims','Yes. I think there are two sizes 36 and 40\" used on the row crops','',0,0,'gA==','3101qwlb',0,0,'u_111','',0),(127,0,56,0,'',1042507529,1,1,1,1,'ramps','hey, thanks for the info. talking hard to the guy and i think i\'ll be set . hope to see you there.  thanks again   oliver farmer(chuck)','',0,0,'gA==','7w0jxgvs',0,0,'u_56','',0),(128,0,56,0,'',1042507529,1,1,1,1,'ramps','hey, thanks for the info. talking hard to the guy and i think i\'ll be set . hope to see you there.  thanks again   oliver farmer(chuck)','',0,0,'gA==','7w0jxgvs',0,0,'u_56','',0),(141,0,126,0,'',1043198010,1,1,1,1,'Welcome new member','I just found this site today too. Hope I can make new friends ariund the ciuntry. Where are you from? i am from Ontario Canada.','',0,0,'gA==','23t5f9oj',0,0,'u_126','',0),(147,0,129,0,'',1043543963,1,1,1,1,'oliver drill','I see you are restsoring an Oliver 26 drill. If you need any parts call me at 717-734-3682 or email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:clarkson@acsworld.com\">clarkson@acsworld.com</a><!-- e -->. We have a lot of new parts for older oliver implements and oliver tractors. Parts for fleetline to White tractors. Thanks for your time.\r\nJim Clark','',0,0,'gA==','163dv050',0,0,'u_129','',0),(150,0,129,0,'',1043544215,1,1,1,1,'rims','We have a set of wheels 36\" that are bead lock on the outside. Are yours like that. Email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:clarkson@acsworld.com\">clarkson@acsworld.com</a><!-- e --> or call 717-734-3682 if you think we can help you. Thanks.\r\nJim Clark','',0,0,'gA==','4ggde3cz',0,0,'u_129','',0),(168,0,114,0,'',1043797901,1,1,1,1,'Re: Rims','I have sent a photo of the rim,I have 2 as you can see. They are on  an OLIVER/HART/PARR 70. They are 40 inch. LET ME KNOW IF THEY ARE WHAT YOU NEED. $$$$?????','',0,0,'gA==','ky05qzw3',0,0,'u_114','',0),(170,0,114,0,'',1043798078,1,1,1,1,'Re: Rims','I have put a picture on your add. These rims are on a OLIVER/HART /PARR 70. If these are the correct rims , I\'m  willing to sell them','',0,0,'gA==','unrqtbo9',0,0,'u_114','',0),(174,0,111,0,'',1044210843,1,1,1,1,'Oliver rims','Thanks, but what I\'m looking for is the later solid wheel rim for 40\" rubber, not the Tip-Toe style.\r\n\r\nJeff','',0,0,'gA==','2bhed3oc',0,0,'u_111','',0),(175,0,18,0,'',1044595592,1,1,1,1,'Re: In Quesnel, aslo Super 55 Owner','Stuart,\r\nHow are you doing with that Super 55?  What are the problems you have to deal with on your machine?  Remember I have the BIG shop manual.\r\nPaul Stanley\r\nIn Maple Ridge,BC\r\nSuper 55\r\nBy the way, I don\'t get back to this site as much as the YT site and Old Oliver Gang','',0,0,'gA==','mqoazzzo',0,0,'u_18','',0),(178,0,126,0,'',1044836533,1,1,1,1,'Planters','Would you be able to tell me what kind of planters Oliver used to plant peanuts and cotton. I would like to find one to restore that was used in the 50\'s era.  Any Help??\r\n\r\n     Thanks','',0,0,'gA==','2hbsum8o',0,0,'u_126','',0),(179,0,35,0,'',1044837404,1,1,1,1,'1950T','Jim Rogier has one that he will sale new in the box. He wants 110.00 which includes shipping.  You can reach him at 731 784 5440 Humbolt TN','',0,0,'gA==','1gqfmon1',0,0,'u_35','',0),(184,0,126,0,'',1044923058,1,1,1,1,'Chat','Hi Jason. Where are you from? What Oliver equipment do you have? I am from Ontario Canada and I collect Oliver tractors. I have the fleetline series.','',0,0,'gA==','1q4u2fka',0,0,'u_126','',0),(186,0,151,0,'',1045255883,1,1,1,1,'Parts','Thanks for the reply to my search for oliver 70 industrial parts.  Our goal is to try to have the tractor ready for the show in Missouri.  Look for us and we\'ll visit.','',0,0,'gA==','2s2mag8q',0,0,'u_151','',0),(188,0,151,0,'',1045255969,1,1,1,1,'Parts','Thanks for your reply to my search for oliver 70 industrial parts. I\'ve contacted Korves and will be getting the lenses from them.','',0,0,'gA==','24iyjct9',0,0,'u_151','',0),(195,0,160,0,'',1045617783,1,1,1,1,'1800','I have an Oliver 1800A Checkerboard that im restoring. Any tips or suggestions???','',0,0,'gA==','l5ngj8oi',0,0,'u_160','',0),(196,0,160,0,'',1045617783,1,1,1,1,'1800','I have an Oliver 1800A Checkerboard that im restoring. Any tips or suggestions???','',0,0,'gA==','l5ngj8oi',0,0,'u_160','',0),(197,0,160,0,'',1045654680,1,1,1,1,'1800','I got an Checkerboard 1800A gas.','',0,0,'gA==','19j7ek9y',0,0,'u_160','',0),(198,0,160,0,'',1045654680,1,1,1,1,'1800','I got an Checkerboard 1800A gas.','',0,0,'gA==','19j7ek9y',0,0,'u_160','',0),(202,0,105,0,'',1045840841,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1950T','Thanks for the info on the toy.  Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I havent been here in a while.','',0,0,'gA==','d0zro30d',0,0,'u_105','',0),(205,0,35,0,'',1045888362,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1950T','[quote:3q538hky]Thanks for the info on the toy.  Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I havent been here in a while.[/quote:3q538hky]\r\nHave you been able to find one? I bought one from a dealer and had to pay him 99.00. I have 2 and was going to hold one for a year or two and place one on ebay however if you want it I will sell it to you for what I have in it. If i recall you are fron TN. I live in Jackson,TN. There are two 1950Ts on ebay now and I am not bidding. I hope you can get one of those for less than 99.00.','',0,0,'gA==','3q538hky',0,0,'u_35','',0),(208,0,7,0,'',1045921958,1,1,1,1,'Re: I&I Show','[quote:2m49rkap]John, I was just over at YT and didn\'t see the I&amp;I show listed under upcoming events. I\'d do it but don\'t know who to put down for contacts. I may post one for HPOCA. Jim T[/quote:2m49rkap]','',0,0,'gA==','2m49rkap',0,0,'u_7','',0),(210,0,7,0,'',1045922027,1,1,1,1,'Re: I&I Show','[quote:283drcy9]John, I was just over at YT and didn\'t see the I&amp;I show listed under upcoming events. I\'d do it but don\'t know who to put down for contacts. I may post one for HPOCA. Jim T[/quote:283drcy9]\r\nThanks Jim,\r\nI thought I had it on there, but I\'ll take care of it. John','',0,0,'gA==','283drcy9',0,0,'u_7','',0),(229,0,40,0,'',1046972178,1,1,1,1,'Musuem','Andy:\r\n\r\nWhen you are talking \"pork barrel\" do you mean a separate \"bill\" or line item in the federal budget to pay for the establishment of a museum in South Bend?\r\n\r\nIf so do you know if anyone has approached any Congressman or Senator as to whether they have any interest is doing such a thing?\r\n\r\nDue to the budget shortfalls I\'d be surprised if we could get anyone to do it this year.  I know that \"pork\" is always in the budget, but most of the time it is to benefit a group, project, etc., in a district.  The proviison of the porkt may then help someone get elected or relected.  Since HPOCA members are spread all over the country and Canada it would appear to me that getting special legislation would be low on most members of Congresses priority lists.\r\n\r\nJust some of my thoughts.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,0,'gA==','3imfjnoj',0,0,'u_40','',0),(231,0,72,0,'',1047001013,1,1,1,1,'older plow parts','Jim  I have a plow master 100 oarchard\r\nplow. It is 3, 12\" I am looking for the sheers and stiffeners for the jointers.\r\nI found a match of my plow in the parts book for a plowmaster 100 at my local \r\ndealor at Pelevana In\r\n\r\n Thanks for Help With the true Green\r\n\r\nLarry Brewer,Jr\r\nE-mail <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:brerwer5@kconline.net\">brerwer5@kconline.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','151doklk',0,0,'u_72','',0),(232,0,72,0,'',1047001013,1,1,1,1,'older plow parts','Jim  I have a plow master 100 oarchard\r\nplow. It is 3, 12\" I am looking for the sheers and stiffeners for the jointers.\r\nI found a match of my plow in the parts book for a plowmaster 100 at my local \r\ndealor at Pelevana In\r\n\r\n Thanks for Help With the true Green\r\n\r\nLarry Brewer,Jr\r\nE-mail <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:brerwer5@kconline.net\">brerwer5@kconline.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','151doklk',0,0,'u_72','',0),(237,0,40,0,'',1047618317,1,1,1,1,'Musuem','Andy:\r\n\r\nDon\'t know about a separate bill, I\'d bet that if we get somebody to sponsor us he\'d rather attach it to something else, so that it would be harder for the Congress not to approve it.  Who knows where it might wind up.  It would probably have a better chance of passing if it could be included with the breast cancer research that shows up each year in the defense bill.\r\n\r\nYou are right this is a BIG PROJECT for the HPOCA.  It will take years to get it done.','',0,0,'gA==','23qmnxj6',0,0,'u_40','',0),(245,0,111,0,'',1047764936,1,1,1,1,'70 Rims','I have some 1941 steel rims that mount on cast iron centers and mount 9 x 40\" rubber tires.  I am not aware of any \"snap rings\".  \r\n\r\nCan you provide an Oliver part number I can look in the part book and identify?\r\nJeff\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:JeffreyL.Davis@att.net\">JeffreyL.Davis@att.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','27bcc3u0',0,0,'u_111','',0),(247,0,35,0,'',1047775432,1,1,1,1,'crawler','Does it have rubber or metal tracks?','',0,0,'gA==','y9oxu7aw',0,0,'u_35','',0),(249,0,177,0,'',1047778982,1,1,1,1,'Re: crawler','[quote:31cph5uf]Does it have rubber or metal tracks?[/quote:31cph5uf]\r\n\r\nIt has rubber tracks.','',0,0,'gA==','31cph5uf',0,0,'u_177','',0),(250,0,177,0,'',1047778982,1,1,1,1,'Re: crawler','[quote:31cph5uf]Does it have rubber or metal tracks?[/quote:31cph5uf]\r\n\r\nIt has rubber tracks.','',0,0,'gA==','31cph5uf',0,0,'u_177','',0),(258,0,183,0,'',1048132858,1,1,1,1,'Re: 64 Grain Drill','[quote:2aw1ir39]I assume you mean the big sunflower gear and the little gear. Righ now I need to stop and think about finding one. where are you located? I am in northwest Ohio[/quote:2aw1ir39]\r\n\r\nHi John, Thanks for the reply.\r\nOne of the gears I need is the little gear that engages the sunflower gear. The other one is outside the gearbox, on the gearbox shaft, on the LH side of the drill. It is the gear that is turned by the road wheels. (about 6\" dia). It also has the (three?) \'dogs\' on it that engage the pin on the shaft coming out of the gearbox. My gear has only two dogs, the other one appears to have been broken off.\r\n\r\nThanks for any help you can offer.\r\nReed\r\n\r\nBTW I live near Salt Lake City, Utah, and I am making a road trip back to Missouri in May.','',0,0,'gA==','2aw1ir39',0,0,'u_183','',0),(262,0,98,0,'',1049041780,1,1,1,1,'Re: BGSH','[quote:2b4ubht4]Do you have a serial number for th at tractor or an engine number.[/quote:2b4ubht4]   \r\n\r\nMy serial number is 11c110.','',0,0,'gA==','2b4ubht4',0,0,'u_98','',0),(269,0,160,0,'',1051646357,1,1,1,1,'1800','Im 14 and im currently restoring an 1800A Checkerboard. I would be interesting in talking to you about this model. my email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:sexyfarmerrob@hotmail.com\">sexyfarmerrob@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','2yw8euix',0,0,'u_160','',0),(270,0,160,0,'',1051646357,1,1,1,1,'1800','Im 14 and im currently restoring an 1800A Checkerboard. I would be interesting in talking to you about this model. my email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:sexyfarmerrob@hotmail.com\">sexyfarmerrob@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','2yw8euix',0,0,'u_160','',0),(272,0,76,0,'',1051746204,1,1,1,1,'','who can i get ahold of in the I &amp; I club to get my license plates?','',0,0,'gA==','3vlhtwpl',0,0,'u_76','',0),(285,0,105,0,'',1052421642,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver Company','I am a Quality Assurance Supervisor at a Continental Tire plant.  I went to school to be an Ag teacher, but somewhere along the way got sidetracked!  I like this board, but sometimes I wish there was more discussion like this and less posts that people view and never answer.  Oh well.','',0,0,'gA==','321sdjzi',0,0,'u_105','',0),(286,0,105,0,'',1052421642,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver Company','I am a Quality Assurance Supervisor at a Continental Tire plant.  I went to school to be an Ag teacher, but somewhere along the way got sidetracked!  I like this board, but sometimes I wish there was more discussion like this and less posts that people view and never answer.  Oh well.','',0,0,'gA==','321sdjzi',0,0,'u_105','',0),(291,0,105,0,'',1053090794,1,1,1,1,'old style 88 tin','are you asking about value to price these items for sale?  if so, I am in dire need of ALL sheetmetal for my 88 industrial.  If you are selling them, message me back and let me know what you want for them. Thanks, Ian.','',0,0,'gA==','1bxh2xqg',0,0,'u_105','',0),(293,0,203,0,'',1053218665,1,1,1,1,'Mis-information','John, I don\'t understand, what mis-information are you talking about.\r\nRichard','',0,0,'gA==','w28s7wdh',0,0,'u_203','',0),(294,0,203,0,'',1053218665,1,1,1,1,'Mis-information','John, I don\'t understand, what mis-information are you talking about.\r\nRichard','',0,0,'gA==','w28s7wdh',0,0,'u_203','',0),(311,0,160,0,'',1054773273,1,1,1,1,'1800','my 1800 looked JD green but once its cured it looks more oliver color.   i got the paint from agco','',0,0,'gA==','2so9r7mu',0,0,'u_160','',0),(313,0,160,0,'',1054773401,1,1,1,1,'Please!!!','please reply to my messages ive sent you','',0,0,'gA==','zdw0gb9w',0,0,'u_160','',0),(315,0,230,0,'',1054989661,1,1,1,1,'just wondering','just wondering if the 550 is still for sale?','',0,0,'gA==','8jrofs2f',0,0,'u_230','',0),(317,0,230,0,'',1054989744,1,1,1,1,'loader','is the loader still for sale?\r\n\r\nJeff','',0,0,'gA==','oqvdbz8l',0,0,'u_230','',0),(331,0,35,0,'',1055647029,1,1,1,1,'Re: 550 Special','[quote:dac8j8no]Frank: I was talking to my friend the dealer the other day. They worked on a special a few years ago, do not know if it is still in the neighborhood or not. I was looking for your serial number. Later 550\'s have a different ring and pinon  The three point on your tractor is slightlt different for one of the differences.[/quote:dac8j8no]\r\n\r\nJohn\r\nThe model number is 55-2103 and the serial number is 149805-019. As you know the serial no. makes it a 1964 however the last three digits throw me off. I was under the impression that these 3 numbers had to do with transmission type. This tractor was purchased from Ventura tractor in Ontario and stayed in Canada until I purchased it in 2001. I will have the tractor at Penfield. Hope to see you there.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','dac8j8no',0,0,'u_35','',0),(335,0,232,0,'',1055728271,1,1,1,1,'Re: Thank You','[quote:1p8bimdm]It is good to here from you. I talked to Boellner\'s the other day and they said you had called and you were living in South Bend. How you doing otherwise. Yes you started about the time I did. It has been a few years. John[/quote:1p8bimdm]','',0,0,'gA==','1p8bimdm',0,0,'u_232','',0),(336,0,232,0,'',1055728271,1,1,1,1,'Re: Thank You','[quote:1p8bimdm]It is good to here from you. I talked to Boellner\'s the other day and they said you had called and you were living in South Bend. How you doing otherwise. Yes you started about the time I did. It has been a few years. John[/quote:1p8bimdm]','',0,0,'gA==','1p8bimdm',0,0,'u_232','',0),(337,0,232,0,'',1055728894,1,1,1,1,'Old times','Good to hear from you. We retired to the So. Bend area. Do a little patent work for Kinze yet. I haven\'t figured out all the features of this site, just figured out that I had a message. Are you still working?  Hope we can get together and shoot the bull some time.  Harry D.','',0,0,'gA==','16hqxft3',0,0,'u_232','',0),(338,0,232,0,'',1055728894,1,1,1,1,'Old times','Good to hear from you. We retired to the So. Bend area. Do a little patent work for Kinze yet. I haven\'t figured out all the features of this site, just figured out that I had a message. Are you still working?  Hope we can get together and shoot the bull some time.  Harry D.','',0,0,'gA==','16hqxft3',0,0,'u_232','',0),(340,0,233,0,'',1055819641,1,1,1,1,'timing an 1827 hart parr','my email address is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dagreens@texas.net\">dagreens@texas.net</a><!-- e -->\r\nany help you can give is appreciated.','',0,0,'gA==','fxpvwbou',0,0,'u_233','',0),(351,0,35,0,'',1056297092,1,1,1,1,'Jackson Storm','Andy\r\nThanks for asking about the storm. It will be years before downtown will be back to normal. A block was nearly wiped out. We live in rural east Jackson and caught the edge. We had total roof damage but are insured. There were a lot of poor people hit. Sorry I haven\'t answered sooner but I was in an accident. I am always careful about loading tractors, crawlers etc. but lawn tractors is a different story. I was unloading my','',0,0,'gA==','34a3ysy5',0,0,'u_35','',0),(353,0,7,0,'',1056334552,1,1,1,1,'Banquet','Greg, \r\n\r\nDon\'t really know any more than yesterday, Ed wasn\'t at the meeting and he is handling that end. Ed\'s phone number is 618-397-8135 if you really want to know.\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','q09hhsst',0,0,'u_7','',0),(358,0,249,0,'',1056588817,1,1,1,1,'Re: N&S threshing machines','Thanks for the reply. The number I need worst is #43891. The other two I have written down, but I don\'t have with me right now.\r\n\r\nDon\'t worry if it\'s not until after the show. I\'ll be there, too. It\'s the big Rumely 150th anniversary this year.','',0,0,'gA==','1n3i653i',0,0,'u_249','',0),(364,0,51,0,'',1056593509,1,1,1,1,'Re: I&M canal bonk!','[quote:3mttll8d]Hey Delbert, you the man I plowed into at the Heritage run? e-mail me back please.\n\nthanx, Larry\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:CardinalDigsit@aol.com\">CardinalDigsit@aol.com</a><!-- e -->[/quote:3mttll8d]','',0,0,'gA==','3mttll8d',0,0,'u_51','',0),(371,0,35,0,'',1056811813,1,1,1,1,'meeting','John\r\nI think it would be a good idea if a location and a time set for us forum regulars to get together and put face to name at Penfield.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','e2f1rjqp',0,0,'u_35','',0),(372,0,35,0,'',1056811813,1,1,1,1,'meeting','John\r\nI think it would be a good idea if a location and a time set for us forum regulars to get together and put face to name at Penfield.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','e2f1rjqp',0,0,'u_35','',0),(376,0,35,0,'',1056922523,1,1,1,1,'Re: Penfield show.','[quote:pjw7n2za]I thought I might be there on Friday, depending on Wheat, but anyhow would like to meet the e-mail people. I met Km yesterday. Found out he was local and his day used to come in the dealership where I was employed. What is the spec number for your 550? John[/quote:pjw7n2za]\r\n\r\nJohn\r\nThe spec number is 55-2103 ser:149805-019 and the engine ser: 7454. Hope to see you in Penfield.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','pjw7n2za',0,0,'u_35','',0),(377,0,105,0,'',1057154546,1,1,1,1,'dealership','how\'s it going?  I noticed that your bio says that your dad used to have a dealership in KY.  May i ask where?  I live in western KY and am just interested.  Thanks.','',0,0,'gA==','3hl7s1ux',0,0,'u_105','',0),(393,0,35,0,'',1057547769,1,1,1,1,'show','John\r\nI will not be arriving with my tractors until late Thursday afternoon. I assume this is permissible.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2au5zlpk',0,0,'u_35','',0),(394,0,35,0,'',1057547769,1,1,1,1,'show','John\r\nI will not be arriving with my tractors until late Thursday afternoon. I assume this is permissible.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2au5zlpk',0,0,'u_35','',0),(411,0,7,0,'',1057696733,1,1,1,1,'Re: show','[quote:2x6v4u0n]John\nI will not be arriving with my tractors until late Thursday afternoon. I assume this is permissible.\nFrank[/quote:2x6v4u0n]','',0,0,'gA==','2x6v4u0n',0,0,'u_7','',0),(412,0,7,0,'',1057696733,1,1,1,1,'Re: show','[quote:2x6v4u0n]John\nI will not be arriving with my tractors until late Thursday afternoon. I assume this is permissible.\nFrank[/quote:2x6v4u0n]','',0,0,'gA==','2x6v4u0n',0,0,'u_7','',0),(413,0,7,0,'',1057696860,1,1,1,1,'Re: show','[quote:1w4x5741]John\nI will not be arriving with my tractors until late Thursday afternoon. I assume this is permissible.\nFrank[/quote:1w4x5741]\r\n\r\nI haven\'t learned to use this feature very well. Frank you are free to come and go as you please. Remember that when you get here after the show starts you need to enter through the Exhibitor entrance on the east side of the grounds off of US 136','',0,0,'gA==','1w4x5741',0,0,'u_7','',0),(414,0,7,0,'',1057696860,1,1,1,1,'Re: show','[quote:1w4x5741]John\nI will not be arriving with my tractors until late Thursday afternoon. I assume this is permissible.\nFrank[/quote:1w4x5741]\r\n\r\nI haven\'t learned to use this feature very well. Frank you are free to come and go as you please. Remember that when you get here after the show starts you need to enter through the Exhibitor entrance on the east side of the grounds off of US 136','',0,0,'gA==','1w4x5741',0,0,'u_7','',0),(418,0,258,0,'',1057772846,1,1,1,1,'Re: KD parts.','[quote]Where are you located?[/I am at Goldfield, Iowa in north central Iowa.  On a farm 1 1/2 miles west of Goldfield.  Thanks for the inquiry.   Merril \r\nRasmussenquote]','',0,0,'','16n91hex',0,0,'u_258','',0),(420,0,258,0,'',1057773063,1,1,1,1,'Re: 70 parts','[quote:w1bypbmz]i\'m intrested in side panels, how much? &amp; where are you located? email  to  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:kline@usachoice.net\">kline@usachoice.net</a><!-- e -->[/quote:w1bypbmz]I am 1 1/2 miles west of Goldfield, Iowa.  Price ?  I don\'t know what originals are worth and these should at  least be seen in a          picture.  I have your e-mail so as soon as I get a chance to take a pix I will email it to you.   Merril Rasmussen  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:merril@goldfieldaccess.net\">merril@goldfieldaccess.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','w1bypbmz',0,0,'u_258','',0),(430,0,105,0,'',1057929500,1,1,1,1,'Re: hard start','well, check the timing when you get your manual.  I think that is what it might be.  But if you want it to still pull good dont put it all the way back stock.  Leave it advanced some.','',0,0,'gA==','3r3v7l3o',0,0,'u_105','',0),(439,0,265,0,'',1058970489,1,1,1,1,'psb pump','Thanks John,the pump is on a Cockshutt\r\n570 and leaks bad around throttle shaft\r\nwhile running.kenny','',0,0,'gA==','3kus1gfp',0,0,'u_265','',0),(440,0,265,0,'',1058970489,1,1,1,1,'psb pump','Thanks John,the pump is on a Cockshutt\r\n570 and leaks bad around throttle shaft\r\nwhile running.kenny','',0,0,'gA==','3kus1gfp',0,0,'u_265','',0),(441,0,265,0,'',1058971177,1,1,1,1,'psb pump','Thanks John,the pump is on a 570 cockshutt and leaks continously while running.kenny','',0,0,'gA==','3lbe3coe',0,0,'u_265','',0),(442,0,265,0,'',1058971177,1,1,1,1,'psb pump','Thanks John,the pump is on a 570 cockshutt and leaks continously while running.kenny','',0,0,'gA==','3lbe3coe',0,0,'u_265','',0),(449,0,257,0,'',1059150964,1,1,1,1,'Parts','I need a manifold, clutch linkage (spring, rod and lever), rear panels (not curtains), fenders, the lower flywheel cover and the valve shaft oiler fitting.  Sorry for the probably incorrect nomenclature - my parts manual is on order and I\'m making names up.\r\n\r\nThanks, Patrick','',0,0,'gA==','vfzvybpd',0,0,'u_257','',0),(450,0,257,0,'',1059150964,1,1,1,1,'Parts','I need a manifold, clutch linkage (spring, rod and lever), rear panels (not curtains), fenders, the lower flywheel cover and the valve shaft oiler fitting.  Sorry for the probably incorrect nomenclature - my parts manual is on order and I\'m making names up.\r\n\r\nThanks, Patrick','',0,0,'gA==','vfzvybpd',0,0,'u_257','',0),(463,0,35,0,'',1059269309,1,1,1,1,'Re: David Browns','[quote:2ly1cdqq]I am in Parkersburg West virginia and there is a shop there and he told me the same thing. He can sell all the David Browns he can find. I asked about a green one last year when I was there. He said there were a few in the neighborhood, but he had never traded for one. If I ever strike it rich I would like to have one they were new with Oliver at the same time I was 1960.[/quote:2ly1cdqq]\r\n\r\nJohn\r\nOccasionally there is one for sale in mid-Tn.\r\nI will keep an eye out and let you know if I find one. There are several DB 880s and 990s that go cheap.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2ly1cdqq',0,0,'u_35','',0),(464,0,35,0,'',1059269309,1,1,1,1,'Re: David Browns','[quote:2ly1cdqq]I am in Parkersburg West virginia and there is a shop there and he told me the same thing. He can sell all the David Browns he can find. I asked about a green one last year when I was there. He said there were a few in the neighborhood, but he had never traded for one. If I ever strike it rich I would like to have one they were new with Oliver at the same time I was 1960.[/quote:2ly1cdqq]\r\n\r\nJohn\r\nOccasionally there is one for sale in mid-Tn.\r\nI will keep an eye out and let you know if I find one. There are several DB 880s and 990s that go cheap.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2ly1cdqq',0,0,'u_35','',0),(474,0,271,0,'',1059435395,1,1,1,1,'','i have a model11 oliver manure spreader\r\nsteel box, 2 steel wheels, ground driven, all gears ae there.  If interested please let me know.','',0,0,'gA==','46chgxv2',0,0,'u_271','',0),(476,0,258,0,'',1060127558,1,1,1,1,'Re: location','[quote:1z7965z9]how far are you from Ames, I have to take my son out there for college mid Aug. could look you up.[/quote:1z7965z9]\r\n\r\nI am about 75 miles from Ames.  About 17 miles west of Hwy 69 on Hwy 3 west of Goldfield. I sent a  previous reply but don\'t know if it got out.   We will be gone from 8 Sept to 12 Sept.   Merril','',0,0,'gA==','1z7965z9',0,0,'u_258','',0),(481,0,286,0,'',1060369160,1,1,1,1,'Tyler TX','Searching for someone I knew waaaaay back in school, ever live in Tyler, TX?\r\n\r\nCristy','',0,0,'gA==','ce74h580',0,0,'u_286','',0),(491,0,287,0,'',1060479433,1,1,1,1,'','I am havi trouble with this u2u its my first time. Emil me at  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:nascarnosix@aol.com\">nascarnosix@aol.com</a><!-- e --> thanks','',0,0,'gA==','2kf952o7',0,0,'u_287','',0),(492,0,287,0,'',1060479433,1,1,1,1,'','I am havi trouble with this u2u its my first time. Emil me at  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:nascarnosix@aol.com\">nascarnosix@aol.com</a><!-- e --> thanks','',0,0,'gA==','2kf952o7',0,0,'u_287','',0),(493,0,287,0,'',1060481090,1,1,1,1,'Oil pressure','I am having trouble with this u2u it\'s my first time. Email me!  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:nascarnosix@aol.com\">nascarnosix@aol.com</a><!-- e -->  my phone is (423) 562-2020  12 o\'clock noon and 6:00 pm EST, is the best time to contact me. Hope you receive this message. Thanks, Charlie Rice','',0,0,'gA==','330tku7r',0,0,'u_287','',0),(494,0,287,0,'',1060481090,1,1,1,1,'Oil pressure','I am having trouble with this u2u it\'s my first time. Email me!  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:nascarnosix@aol.com\">nascarnosix@aol.com</a><!-- e -->  my phone is (423) 562-2020  12 o\'clock noon and 6:00 pm EST, is the best time to contact me. Hope you receive this message. Thanks, Charlie Rice','',0,0,'gA==','330tku7r',0,0,'u_287','',0),(502,0,254,0,'',1060537680,1,1,1,1,'88 #','John i got the numbers off of my 88 The spec.# is 88-0273 and the sei. # is 3501690 . what can you tell my about the spec # what does it mean what can u tell from the seri. #? Greg','',0,0,'gA==','231yohkn',0,0,'u_254','',0),(504,0,254,0,'',1060541527,1,1,1,1,'88 pto spins all the time','the pto on my 88 likes to spinn when the tractor is warm i thinkthe clutch is draging a bit would i have to put in shim to get it to stop or would i have to rebuild it .when i use it alot it spins alot more . when i mow or chop it is in and out alot and when i switch imlements ti is hard to stop it and put on the pto shaft with your hands','',0,0,'gA==','2obuhy8z',0,0,'u_254','',0),(505,0,292,0,'',1060565844,1,1,1,1,'curiosity','Okay, now you have me curious.  Who are you?','',0,0,'gA==','3t0cvct4',0,0,'u_292','',0),(507,0,292,0,'',1060595094,1,1,1,1,'Richard from YT','?','',0,0,'gA==','xgog5zy2',0,0,'u_292','',0),(510,0,254,0,'',1060639840,1,1,1,1,'88 belt pully','Do u have one?are all the pullys the same ?IF you have one how much do you whant for it?\r\nGreg','',0,0,'gA==','2dtxyomd',0,0,'u_254','',0),(515,0,111,0,'',1060747630,1,1,1,1,'Brass s/n plate','How is it painted??','',0,0,'gA==','1ebfg2sc',0,0,'u_111','',0),(516,0,111,0,'',1060747630,1,1,1,1,'Brass s/n plate','How is it painted??','',0,0,'gA==','1ebfg2sc',0,0,'u_111','',0),(518,0,257,0,'',1060781531,1,1,1,1,'Re: Brass s/n plate','It looks like it was attached and then painted with the rest of the engine.  Nothing special.  That being said, John Schwiebert knows a lot more about this than I do, so I would lean toward his unpainted notion.  The only thing I always try to think about is manufacturing....how would they have built the tractor and in what sequence.  Maybe they put the plate on after the engine was built and painted and then put the data plate on....makes sense, but so does the other sequence.  I ramble...\r\n\r\nRegards, Patrick','',0,0,'gA==','25t0l2jx',0,0,'u_257','',0),(519,0,257,0,'',1060788176,1,1,1,1,'60 Manifold and Parts','I don\'t know if you have been receiving my emails... Are you still interested in selling the manifold?  \r\n\r\nRegards, Patrick\r\n\r\n(973) 875-7503','',0,0,'gA==','2l50knzp',0,0,'u_257','',0),(520,0,257,0,'',1060788176,1,1,1,1,'60 Manifold and Parts','I don\'t know if you have been receiving my emails... Are you still interested in selling the manifold?  \r\n\r\nRegards, Patrick\r\n\r\n(973) 875-7503','',0,0,'gA==','2l50knzp',0,0,'u_257','',0),(522,0,254,0,'',1060821279,1,1,1,1,'Re: 88 belt pully','[quote:25z8wnxh][quote:25z8wnxh]Do u have one?are all the pullys the same ?IF you have one how much do you whant for it?\nGreg[/quote:25z8wnxh]Are you talking the pulley where the belt goes or the gear box that bolts to the transmission that drives the belt pulley. I have the gear box. [/quote:25z8wnxh]\r\nJohn i am trying to find just the pully i have a box on my 88 already \r\nGreg','',0,0,'gA==','25z8wnxh',0,0,'u_254','',0),(524,0,17,0,'',1060831300,1,1,1,1,'406 grinder','I\'m interested in the 406 grinder. Does the gentleman have a price in mind for it? do you have any pictures that you could send to me?\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\n\r\nChris Losey','',0,0,'gA==','gn5ukbo5',0,0,'u_17','',0),(526,0,254,0,'',1060912036,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','[quote:1jwfzdve]I\'m interested in the 406 grinder. Does the gentleman have a price in mind for it? do you have any pictures that you could send to me?\n\nThanks,\n\nChris Losey\nChris  Sorry i dont have any pic of it but it has ben inside for a long time but it works good it is not froze up it still has most of the orignal decals and the paint is orignal and good he has no idea what it is worth .i will try to get some pice of it next week . How much is a working one worth ?do you have a price in mind on how much you whant to spend on it ?\nGreg\n[/quote:1jwfzdve]','',0,0,'gA==','1jwfzdve',0,0,'u_254','',0),(528,0,254,0,'',1060912169,1,1,1,1,'Re: 88 belt pully','[quote:26j7yt0n][quote:26j7yt0n]Do u have one?are all the pullys the same ?IF you have one how much do you whant for it?\nGreg[/quote:26j7yt0n]Are you talking the pulley where the belt goes or the gear box that bolts to the transmission that drives the belt pulley. I have the gear box. [/quote:26j7yt0n]\r\nI need just the pully i have a box on my 88 already .Greg','',0,0,'gA==','26j7yt0n',0,0,'u_254','',0),(530,0,17,0,'',1060916804,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','Greg,\r\n\r\nIt\'s been my experience that most Oliver equipment doesn\'t sell for more than $500. That\'s the most I would pay for it. By  the time I paid to have it hauled to Michigan, I would have close to $1000 into it, and it would mostly be a conversation peice.\r\n\r\nI would enjoy seeing a picture of it, whether I end up with or not.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\n\r\nChris\r\n\r\n\r\nChris  Sorry i dont have any pic of it but it has ben inside for a long time but it works good it is not froze up it still has most of the orignal decals and the paint is orignal and good he has no idea what it is worth .i will try to get some pice of it next week . How much is a working one worth ?do you have a price in mind on how much you whant to spend on it ?\r\nGreg\r\n[/quote][/quote]','',0,0,'','39coug0n',0,0,'u_17','',0),(532,0,254,0,'',1060996415,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','[quote:3t3xy3h1]Greg,\n\nIt\'s been my experience that most Oliver equipment doesn\'t sell for more than $500. That\'s the most I would pay for it. By  the time I paid to have it hauled to Michigan, I would have close to $1000 into it, and it would mostly be a conversation peice.\n\nI would enjoy seeing a picture of it, whether I end up with or not.\n\nThanks,\n OK i will  try to get you a pic this week Greg\n\nChris\n\n\nChris  Sorry i dont have any pic of it but it has ben inside for a long time but it works good it is not froze up it still has most of the orignal decals and the paint is orignal and good he has no idea what it is worth .i will try to get some pice of it next week . How much is a working one worth ?do you have a price in mind on how much you whant to spend on it ?\nGreg\n[/quote:3t3xy3h1][/quote][/quote]','',0,0,'gA==','3t3xy3h1',0,0,'u_254','',0),(535,0,287,0,'',1061142850,1,1,1,1,'Oil presure','Check your email I sent you information.','',0,0,'gA==','wpisq5r5',0,0,'u_287','',0),(536,0,287,0,'',1061142850,1,1,1,1,'Oil presure','Check your email I sent you information.','',0,0,'gA==','wpisq5r5',0,0,'u_287','',0),(537,0,287,0,'',1061146117,1,1,1,1,'Emai','Sorry I had some mail controls on. OK now send mail. Sorry about that!','',0,0,'gA==','2gywkr7q',0,0,'u_287','',0),(538,0,287,0,'',1061146117,1,1,1,1,'Emai','Sorry I had some mail controls on. OK now send mail. Sorry about that!','',0,0,'gA==','2gywkr7q',0,0,'u_287','',0),(539,0,293,0,'',1061216716,1,1,1,1,'1600 OLIVER','The year is 1963. I cleaned the tank the filter and carb everything is clean with no debris in it, fuel runs fine from tank through the carb. It does have a Mallory distributor. maybe the problem is with that.','',0,0,'gA==','2zyde8lk',0,0,'u_293','',0),(540,0,293,0,'',1061216716,1,1,1,1,'1600 OLIVER','The year is 1963. I cleaned the tank the filter and carb everything is clean with no debris in it, fuel runs fine from tank through the carb. It does have a Mallory distributor. maybe the problem is with that.','',0,0,'gA==','2zyde8lk',0,0,'u_293','',0),(544,0,7,0,'',1061433529,1,1,1,1,'Re: Grain Drill','[quote:1fut3sz9]John   Sorry I did not make the show. Do you still have it? What are you asking for it?\n\n         Richard[/quote:1fut3sz9]\r\n\r\nRichard, sorry for the delay, I sold the drill at the show for $100. John','',0,0,'gA==','1fut3sz9',0,0,'u_7','',0),(546,0,7,0,'',1061433739,1,1,1,1,'Knox Co. Drive','Hey Jim,\r\n\r\nIs it still okay for us to bring the I&amp;I Raffle Tractor to Knoxville?\r\n\r\nWe have a MM Avery V this year.\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','25r3j1mk',0,0,'u_7','',0),(549,0,35,0,'',1061777424,1,1,1,1,'77 Standard','John\r\nI got the serial numbers from Larry\'s book. You are probably correct since 53-54 started with one series of serial numbers for all 77\'s. I don\'t believe that I have seen a 53 or 54  standard agricultural however as you said they are probably out there.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2xmrmdrp',0,0,'u_35','',0),(550,0,35,0,'',1061777424,1,1,1,1,'77 Standard','John\r\nI got the serial numbers from Larry\'s book. You are probably correct since 53-54 started with one series of serial numbers for all 77\'s. I don\'t believe that I have seen a 53 or 54  standard agricultural however as you said they are probably out there.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2xmrmdrp',0,0,'u_35','',0),(552,0,258,0,'',1062118854,1,1,1,1,'Re: ham call?','[quote:27vl77pb]just curous if you username is your ham radio call.   \nKeith, KA9RSL[/quote:27vl77pb]\r\nRoger.  Thanks for the comback. Nice to meet you, Keith.     Merril, WA0VTJ','',0,0,'gA==','27vl77pb',0,0,'u_258','',0),(554,0,254,0,'',1062377923,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','[quote:1v1lyoam]I\'m interested in the 406 grinder. Does the gentleman have a price in mind for it? do you have any pictures that you could send to me?\n\nThanks,\n\nChris Losey\nChris He said if it is worth 500 he would sell it ti you for 500 if you are still intrested in it \nGreg\n[/quote:1v1lyoam]','',0,0,'gA==','1v1lyoam',0,0,'u_254','',0),(555,0,17,0,'',1062466323,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','Chris He said if it is worth 500 he would sell it ti you for 500 if you are still intrested in it \r\nGreg\r\n[/quote][/quote]\r\n\r\nGreg,\r\n\r\nI would really like to see a couple of pictures before I would commit to $500. If you could get me pictures that would be great. But if not, Maybe I should give the gentleman a call, if you could get me his number.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\n\r\nChris','',0,0,'','1cyy9ujw',0,0,'u_17','',0),(556,0,17,0,'',1062466323,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','Chris He said if it is worth 500 he would sell it ti you for 500 if you are still intrested in it \r\nGreg\r\n[/quote][/quote]\r\n\r\nGreg,\r\n\r\nI would really like to see a couple of pictures before I would commit to $500. If you could get me pictures that would be great. But if not, Maybe I should give the gentleman a call, if you could get me his number.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\n\r\nChris','',0,0,'','1cyy9ujw',0,0,'u_17','',0),(560,0,259,0,'',1062800029,1,1,1,1,'#33X SC','Hi Sherry,\r\n   I had a question about the plow no. 33X SC.  I figured out that the S and C probably stand for \'short\' and \'common\' codes for plowshares.  However, isn\'t the \'X\' a denotation for either experimental or the plow was designed for a foreign market?  I am stumped on this.  Can you help?\r\nThanks,\r\nTravis Childs\r\nNICH','',0,0,'','2htafyvo',0,0,'u_259','',0),(573,0,105,0,'',1063027716,1,1,1,1,'','Hey Frank,\r\nI really dont want to sound negative, and I would never post something like this on the board, but I need to vent.\r\nWHY IS ANDY SO NEGATIVE?  Every time someone mentions something he comes back with some negative comment.  That Misc. forum that I asked about is just a thought, but a GOOD one in my opinion, and when he makes comments like the ones he did, it makes the person who came up with it...me...feel bad for having done so.  I just dont think he thinks much before he posts...just whatever he is thinking...bam...post.\r\nIf I had just done that, there would be more negative stuff on the board, and I think that is wrong.\r\nSorry to bug you.\r\nIan','',0,0,'','1bcb853n',0,0,'u_105','',0),(574,0,105,0,'',1063027716,1,1,1,1,'','Hey Frank,\r\nI really dont want to sound negative, and I would never post something like this on the board, but I need to vent.\r\nWHY IS ANDY SO NEGATIVE?  Every time someone mentions something he comes back with some negative comment.  That Misc. forum that I asked about is just a thought, but a GOOD one in my opinion, and when he makes comments like the ones he did, it makes the person who came up with it...me...feel bad for having done so.  I just dont think he thinks much before he posts...just whatever he is thinking...bam...post.\r\nIf I had just done that, there would be more negative stuff on the board, and I think that is wrong.\r\nSorry to bug you.\r\nIan','',0,0,'','1bcb853n',0,0,'u_105','',0),(575,0,111,0,'',1063046626,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 70 Brass s/n plate','So yours is brass, with the raised parts of the plate painted in black?\r\nThanks, Jeff','',0,0,'','5llbxnq3',0,0,'u_111','',0),(576,0,111,0,'',1063046626,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 70 Brass s/n plate','So yours is brass, with the raised parts of the plate painted in black?\r\nThanks, Jeff','',0,0,'','5llbxnq3',0,0,'u_111','',0),(579,0,35,0,'',1063068067,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:29cv52k0]Hey Frank,\nI really dont want to sound negative, and I would never post something like this on the board, but I need to vent.\nWHY IS ANDY SO NEGATIVE?  Every time someone mentions something he comes back with some negative comment.  That Misc. forum that I asked about is just a thought, but a GOOD one in my opinion, and when he makes comments like the ones he did, it makes the person who came up with it...me...feel bad for having done so.  I just dont think he thinks much before he posts...just whatever he is thinking...bam...post.\nIf I had just done that, there would be more negative stuff on the board, and I think that is wrong.\nSorry to bug you.\nIan[/quote:29cv52k0]\r\n\r\nIan\r\nI know exactly what you mean. He was very vocal last year during the HPOCA election. He wanted to completely overhaul the board the way he wanted it. I challenged him and that really set him off. He is very negative and nothing is ever right. I have tried to get a forum that you are referring but have had no luck. He doesn\'t have to look at it. I like collecting Oliver toys and have come to beleive ebay may be a rip off sometimes. The forum has become more active and will grow as long as people like Andy doesn\'t try to run the show. I wish Sherry and the directors would respond more. I try to ignore him as much as possible. I saw him at Penfield and he was complaining about everything and everybody.\r\nKeep those Olivers running.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','29cv52k0',0,0,'u_35','',0),(580,0,35,0,'',1063068067,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:29cv52k0]Hey Frank,\nI really dont want to sound negative, and I would never post something like this on the board, but I need to vent.\nWHY IS ANDY SO NEGATIVE?  Every time someone mentions something he comes back with some negative comment.  That Misc. forum that I asked about is just a thought, but a GOOD one in my opinion, and when he makes comments like the ones he did, it makes the person who came up with it...me...feel bad for having done so.  I just dont think he thinks much before he posts...just whatever he is thinking...bam...post.\nIf I had just done that, there would be more negative stuff on the board, and I think that is wrong.\nSorry to bug you.\nIan[/quote:29cv52k0]\r\n\r\nIan\r\nI know exactly what you mean. He was very vocal last year during the HPOCA election. He wanted to completely overhaul the board the way he wanted it. I challenged him and that really set him off. He is very negative and nothing is ever right. I have tried to get a forum that you are referring but have had no luck. He doesn\'t have to look at it. I like collecting Oliver toys and have come to beleive ebay may be a rip off sometimes. The forum has become more active and will grow as long as people like Andy doesn\'t try to run the show. I wish Sherry and the directors would respond more. I try to ignore him as much as possible. I saw him at Penfield and he was complaining about everything and everybody.\r\nKeep those Olivers running.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','29cv52k0',0,0,'u_35','',0),(581,0,105,0,'',1063113173,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Well, thanks for responding Frank.  I hate it that Andy is like that in person as well...I didnt know, I have never met him.  Its too bad, he seems to have a good knowledge of our hobby.  Oh well, I guess I will just do what you do...try and ignore him.  But I will say that if it gets worse, it can and will drive people away from the board.  People dont like to read negative comments when supposedly reading about something they love.  Well thats the last I will say of it for now.\r\nThanks Frank\r\n\r\nIan','',0,0,'gA==','2q4aw5yg',0,0,'u_105','',0),(582,0,105,0,'',1063113173,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Well, thanks for responding Frank.  I hate it that Andy is like that in person as well...I didnt know, I have never met him.  Its too bad, he seems to have a good knowledge of our hobby.  Oh well, I guess I will just do what you do...try and ignore him.  But I will say that if it gets worse, it can and will drive people away from the board.  People dont like to read negative comments when supposedly reading about something they love.  Well thats the last I will say of it for now.\r\nThanks Frank\r\n\r\nIan','',0,0,'gA==','2q4aw5yg',0,0,'u_105','',0),(583,0,312,0,'',1063398170,1,1,1,1,'18-27 front wheels','Hi John,\r\n\r\nJust a follow-up to your posting on the YT tractors page.  I heard back from Dave Pruehs who thought that my front steel would work just fine, and I will try it this weekend and see what happens.  However, if you have the correct set and would trade for the 18-28 front steel I would be interested, if we could work out the logistics (I\'m in Michigan).  Let me know.  Thanks.\r\n\r\nJoe Hazewinkel','',0,0,'gA==','nczdtpa2',0,0,'u_312','',0),(584,0,312,0,'',1063398170,1,1,1,1,'18-27 front wheels','Hi John,\r\n\r\nJust a follow-up to your posting on the YT tractors page.  I heard back from Dave Pruehs who thought that my front steel would work just fine, and I will try it this weekend and see what happens.  However, if you have the correct set and would trade for the 18-28 front steel I would be interested, if we could work out the logistics (I\'m in Michigan).  Let me know.  Thanks.\r\n\r\nJoe Hazewinkel','',0,0,'gA==','nczdtpa2',0,0,'u_312','',0),(591,0,35,0,'',1063494982,1,1,1,1,'Re: This and more','[quote:2i1xv7nf]How did you make out on the literature. Also where you guys are discussing the Super 44 are you awear they made some prototype tractors that were to compete with a Cub. They had a 61 cubic inch L-head Waukesha. Later John[/quote:2i1xv7nf]\r\n\r\nJohn\r\nAs for the literature it was a wild goose chase. He had not seen the literature but knew someone who had. You know how that goes. I sent the guy info. on the 44 prototype that Larry Gay had in his book. Do you know if they named the prototype a 44.','',0,0,'gA==','2i1xv7nf',0,0,'u_35','',0),(592,0,35,0,'',1063494982,1,1,1,1,'Re: This and more','[quote:2i1xv7nf]How did you make out on the literature. Also where you guys are discussing the Super 44 are you awear they made some prototype tractors that were to compete with a Cub. They had a 61 cubic inch L-head Waukesha. Later John[/quote:2i1xv7nf]\r\n\r\nJohn\r\nAs for the literature it was a wild goose chase. He had not seen the literature but knew someone who had. You know how that goes. I sent the guy info. on the 44 prototype that Larry Gay had in his book. Do you know if they named the prototype a 44.','',0,0,'gA==','2i1xv7nf',0,0,'u_35','',0),(599,0,35,0,'',1063577114,1,1,1,1,'Re: 44 Prototype','[quote:1sdbxon3]Frank You get a chance send me the information (address phone number e-mail) on the guy that asked about the 44 prototype. I do know they made a few prototypes of a tractor to compete with a Cub. I got that from a Waukesha engineer who worked with modifing the existing 61 cubic inch Waukesha engine for this application.[/quote:1sdbxon3]\r\n\r\nJohn\r\n\r\nThe man goes by the name of Alberta Mike on Yesterdays Tractors. It is now on the 2nd page of the Oliver Forum. I think you have responded with him.\r\nI am having trouble with my 550 carburator. The float keeps sticking etc. I think I am ready for a new or rebuild. It is a Marvel-Schebler. Where is a good suurce for new or rebuilds.\r\nThanks\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','1sdbxon3',0,0,'u_35','',0),(600,0,35,0,'',1063577114,1,1,1,1,'Re: 44 Prototype','[quote:1sdbxon3]Frank You get a chance send me the information (address phone number e-mail) on the guy that asked about the 44 prototype. I do know they made a few prototypes of a tractor to compete with a Cub. I got that from a Waukesha engineer who worked with modifing the existing 61 cubic inch Waukesha engine for this application.[/quote:1sdbxon3]\r\n\r\nJohn\r\n\r\nThe man goes by the name of Alberta Mike on Yesterdays Tractors. It is now on the 2nd page of the Oliver Forum. I think you have responded with him.\r\nI am having trouble with my 550 carburator. The float keeps sticking etc. I think I am ready for a new or rebuild. It is a Marvel-Schebler. Where is a good suurce for new or rebuilds.\r\nThanks\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','1sdbxon3',0,0,'u_35','',0),(604,0,257,0,'',1063592088,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 70 Brass s/n plate','Mine has been painted over.  I think John Schweibert described it as brass with raised black letters...he is a guru, so I\'m betting he is correct.  \r\n\r\nAlso, on you Distributor question....I have a 60 manual - they are very similar tractors, mines a 4 though, so anyhow, I think the only \"lubrication point\" is the cap on the distributor base itself.  The manual calls for petrolatum....which I think is just vaseline in today\'s world.\r\n\r\nRegards, Tip','',0,0,'gA==','z0c6i945',0,0,'u_257','',0),(605,0,308,0,'',1063669677,1,1,1,1,'Re: Super 77','[quote:24nexv71]I see it is a 57 model. How many cubic inch 185 block or otherwise.[/quote:24nexv71]\r\nActually it is a 57 paint scheme. Serial number is \"amoung the missing\" so we aren\'t really sure what year it might be. Dad bought it new in fall of \'55.   Original block, 3.5x3.75, punched to 4.0, stroked to 4.0, should make a 302 same as Super 99 gas,  1100 MF, gas, or 1850 gas.  Real trick was a 4 main bearing crank.','',0,0,'gA==','24nexv71',0,0,'u_308','',0),(606,0,308,0,'',1063669677,1,1,1,1,'Re: Super 77','[quote:24nexv71]I see it is a 57 model. How many cubic inch 185 block or otherwise.[/quote:24nexv71]\r\nActually it is a 57 paint scheme. Serial number is \"amoung the missing\" so we aren\'t really sure what year it might be. Dad bought it new in fall of \'55.   Original block, 3.5x3.75, punched to 4.0, stroked to 4.0, should make a 302 same as Super 99 gas,  1100 MF, gas, or 1850 gas.  Real trick was a 4 main bearing crank.','',0,0,'gA==','24nexv71',0,0,'u_308','',0),(611,0,308,0,'',1063673379,1,1,1,1,'Re: Super 77','In normal everyday use we keep it set at 1800 high idle, pulling down to 540 pto rpm, 1600 engine, I\'ve seen 65.    I would dearly love to know what rods were used. Freind is now deceased. I suspect it is really just a Super 99 gasoline engine with rpms \"way up\", but I don\'t know how crank would have been cut. I was told that every part in that block was available in March of 1977 from WHITE.  If it makes any help, mains bearings  are 2.5\", rod bearings are 2\", so crank may have been ground off-center enough to get stroke.  It\'s been a while since I played around inside a Super or Fleetline and if memory is anywhere near correct a Super should have 2.5\" rods and mains, with a Fleetline having 2\" rods.  \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:3uizzpcy][quote:3uizzpcy][quote:3uizzpcy]I see it is a 57 model. How many cubic inch 185 block or otherwise.[/quote:3uizzpcy]\nActually it is a 57 paint scheme. Serial number is \"amoung the missing\" so we aren\'t really sure what year it might be. Dad bought it new in fall of \'55.   Original block, 3.5x3.75, punched to 4.0, stroked to 4.0, should make a 302 same as Super 99 gas,  1100 MF, gas, or 1850 gas.  Real trick was a 4 main bearing crank. [/quote:3uizzpcy]\nO. K. So it is a 302 not a 320 like a massy or 310 like the 1850. I was interested in stroke. Ask your friend what rods he used. Does it have a grddle in it? Any ideal what for horse power you have at 1750 0r 1900 Around here it is 10% over stock.[/quote:3uizzpcy]','',0,0,'gA==','3uizzpcy',0,0,'u_308','',0),(612,0,308,0,'',1063673379,1,1,1,1,'Re: Super 77','In normal everyday use we keep it set at 1800 high idle, pulling down to 540 pto rpm, 1600 engine, I\'ve seen 65.    I would dearly love to know what rods were used. Freind is now deceased. I suspect it is really just a Super 99 gasoline engine with rpms \"way up\", but I don\'t know how crank would have been cut. I was told that every part in that block was available in March of 1977 from WHITE.  If it makes any help, mains bearings  are 2.5\", rod bearings are 2\", so crank may have been ground off-center enough to get stroke.  It\'s been a while since I played around inside a Super or Fleetline and if memory is anywhere near correct a Super should have 2.5\" rods and mains, with a Fleetline having 2\" rods.  \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:3uizzpcy][quote:3uizzpcy][quote:3uizzpcy]I see it is a 57 model. How many cubic inch 185 block or otherwise.[/quote:3uizzpcy]\nActually it is a 57 paint scheme. Serial number is \"amoung the missing\" so we aren\'t really sure what year it might be. Dad bought it new in fall of \'55.   Original block, 3.5x3.75, punched to 4.0, stroked to 4.0, should make a 302 same as Super 99 gas,  1100 MF, gas, or 1850 gas.  Real trick was a 4 main bearing crank. [/quote:3uizzpcy]\nO. K. So it is a 302 not a 320 like a massy or 310 like the 1850. I was interested in stroke. Ask your friend what rods he used. Does it have a grddle in it? Any ideal what for horse power you have at 1750 0r 1900 Around here it is 10% over stock.[/quote:3uizzpcy]','',0,0,'gA==','3uizzpcy',0,0,'u_308','',0),(617,0,312,0,'',1063808217,1,1,1,1,'Re: 18-27 front wheels','John,\r\n\r\nAbout the only other thing I have is a radiator.  I got two with my 18-27.  Other than that I only have the 18-28 front wheels because I picked them up at an auction when nobody else was bidding.  As it turns out, they work just fine on my 18-27 (other than the part number being wrong).  I put them on this weekend and now the tractor is on full steel and it looks pretty cool.  I hope to tear into the thing and try to get it running this winter, at least now it\'s easier to move around.\r\n\r\nEnjoy, Joe','',0,0,'gA==','3d132q6j',0,0,'u_312','',0),(618,0,312,0,'',1063808217,1,1,1,1,'Re: 18-27 front wheels','John,\r\n\r\nAbout the only other thing I have is a radiator.  I got two with my 18-27.  Other than that I only have the 18-28 front wheels because I picked them up at an auction when nobody else was bidding.  As it turns out, they work just fine on my 18-27 (other than the part number being wrong).  I put them on this weekend and now the tractor is on full steel and it looks pretty cool.  I hope to tear into the thing and try to get it running this winter, at least now it\'s easier to move around.\r\n\r\nEnjoy, Joe','',0,0,'gA==','3d132q6j',0,0,'u_312','',0),(625,0,105,0,'',1064499557,1,1,1,1,'old style 88 tin','hey, i dont know if you still have this sheetmetal, but if it is sitting around not doing you any good, i have one that needs all of it bad...my sheet metal is totally rusted out...no saving it.  Let me know something....\r\nThank you\r\nIan','',0,0,'gA==','pbjhvf9g',0,0,'u_105','',0),(626,0,105,0,'',1064499557,1,1,1,1,'old style 88 tin','hey, i dont know if you still have this sheetmetal, but if it is sitting around not doing you any good, i have one that needs all of it bad...my sheet metal is totally rusted out...no saving it.  Let me know something....\r\nThank you\r\nIan','',0,0,'gA==','pbjhvf9g',0,0,'u_105','',0),(627,0,319,0,'',1064594933,1,1,1,1,'Identifying my Oliver','John,\r\n\r\nFinally made it over here per your request.  I appreciate you taking the time to help my identify my Oliver tractor and send me information you offered.   My e-mail address is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:pate@ipact.com\">pate@ipact.com</a><!-- e -->.\r\n\r\nThanks....\r\n\r\nGeorge Pate','',0,0,'gA==','o6pf0nb8',0,0,'u_319','',0),(628,0,319,0,'',1064594933,1,1,1,1,'Identifying my Oliver','John,\r\n\r\nFinally made it over here per your request.  I appreciate you taking the time to help my identify my Oliver tractor and send me information you offered.   My e-mail address is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:pate@ipact.com\">pate@ipact.com</a><!-- e -->.\r\n\r\nThanks....\r\n\r\nGeorge Pate','',0,0,'gA==','o6pf0nb8',0,0,'u_319','',0),(635,0,111,0,'',1064826229,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 70 Lube','It\'s a 3 gear.  I also decided that 90W gear lube was probably the best solution, and that\'s what I did.\r\n\r\nThanks! Jeff Davis','',0,0,'gA==','3s7dfr28',0,0,'u_111','',0),(637,0,111,0,'',1064826877,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 70 Brass s/n plate','Thanks, Tip\r\nJeff\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:3tj9x52r]Mine has been painted over.  I think John Schweibert described it as brass with raised black letters...he is a guru, so I\'m betting he is correct.  \n\nAlso, on you Distributor question....I have a 60 manual - they are very similar tractors, mines a 4 though, so anyhow, I think the only \"lubrication point\" is the cap on the distributor base itself.  The manual calls for petrolatum....which I think is just vaseline in today\'s world.\n\nRegards, Tip[/quote:3tj9x52r]','',0,0,'gA==','3tj9x52r',0,0,'u_111','',0),(638,0,111,0,'',1064826877,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 70 Brass s/n plate','Thanks, Tip\r\nJeff\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:3tj9x52r]Mine has been painted over.  I think John Schweibert described it as brass with raised black letters...he is a guru, so I\'m betting he is correct.  \n\nAlso, on you Distributor question....I have a 60 manual - they are very similar tractors, mines a 4 though, so anyhow, I think the only \"lubrication point\" is the cap on the distributor base itself.  The manual calls for petrolatum....which I think is just vaseline in today\'s world.\n\nRegards, Tip[/quote:3tj9x52r]','',0,0,'gA==','3tj9x52r',0,0,'u_111','',0),(639,0,111,0,'',1064826988,1,1,1,1,'Re: Brass s/n plate','Were going with shiney brass,  cuz it looks good!\r\nJeff\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:1fj4hvn4]It looks like it was attached and then painted with the rest of the engine.  Nothing special.  That being said, John Schwiebert knows a lot more about this than I do, so I would lean toward his unpainted notion.  The only thing I always try to think about is manufacturing....how would they have built the tractor and in what sequence.  Maybe they put the plate on after the engine was built and painted and then put the data plate on....makes sense, but so does the other sequence.  I ramble...\n\nRegards, Patrick[/quote:1fj4hvn4]','',0,0,'gA==','1fj4hvn4',0,0,'u_111','',0),(640,0,111,0,'',1064826988,1,1,1,1,'Re: Brass s/n plate','Were going with shiney brass,  cuz it looks good!\r\nJeff\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:1fj4hvn4]It looks like it was attached and then painted with the rest of the engine.  Nothing special.  That being said, John Schwiebert knows a lot more about this than I do, so I would lean toward his unpainted notion.  The only thing I always try to think about is manufacturing....how would they have built the tractor and in what sequence.  Maybe they put the plate on after the engine was built and painted and then put the data plate on....makes sense, but so does the other sequence.  I ramble...\n\nRegards, Patrick[/quote:1fj4hvn4]','',0,0,'gA==','1fj4hvn4',0,0,'u_111','',0),(641,0,319,0,'',1064842305,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 770','John,\r\n\r\nLate last week I sent you a U2U message after registering with this web site.  Did you ever receive it?\r\n\r\nGeorge','',0,0,'gA==','1mgf6me3',0,0,'u_319','',0),(642,0,319,0,'',1064842305,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 770','John,\r\n\r\nLate last week I sent you a U2U message after registering with this web site.  Did you ever receive it?\r\n\r\nGeorge','',0,0,'gA==','1mgf6me3',0,0,'u_319','',0),(643,0,312,0,'',1064857440,1,1,1,1,'Early 88 grills','I was wondering if you still have these?  I\'m looking for a right side front grill for mine.\r\n\r\nThanks, Joe','',0,0,'gA==','313j08gn',0,0,'u_312','',0),(646,0,320,0,'',1064914401,1,1,1,1,'your advice','i have an 88 std diesel that is not running above idle, i\'ve timed,filters,injectors etc. obviously i need help.  i live in northwest new mexico and would like to find a good, honest, diesel mechanic in my area. any leads?','',0,0,'gA==','3ps1uwnx',0,0,'u_320','',0),(651,0,322,0,'',1064964042,1,1,1,1,'2-44LL','Message from ytmag:\r\nThanks for your info on the 2-44LL. The loader has a symbol on the front arms that look like a circle with an M or W inside of it(depends which way you look at it). Curiously, the SAME symbol appears on the support arms of my MF220 backhoe (at least that\'s the closest I can identify the hoe with vertical feet) that I have mounted on the 2-44LL. Were these merely third party-made attachments that were made by the same company?? (maybe Ware??). I\'d like to find more info on the 588 loader as well as how the 513 hoe compares with the MF220 (circa 1945?)\r\nAny further info would be appreciated\r\nThanks\r\n\r\nPS My whole unit was painted and decaled as a Cockshutt 550 and when I re-did it last year I discovered green and yellow base paint on the loader (maybe industrial??). The tractor body was red base throughout except the  rear hubs were oliver yellow. It does have the solid front axle like the industrial unit.','',0,0,'gA==','27hzyvl5',0,0,'u_322','',0),(652,0,322,0,'',1064964042,1,1,1,1,'2-44LL','Message from ytmag:\r\nThanks for your info on the 2-44LL. The loader has a symbol on the front arms that look like a circle with an M or W inside of it(depends which way you look at it). Curiously, the SAME symbol appears on the support arms of my MF220 backhoe (at least that\'s the closest I can identify the hoe with vertical feet) that I have mounted on the 2-44LL. Were these merely third party-made attachments that were made by the same company?? (maybe Ware??). I\'d like to find more info on the 588 loader as well as how the 513 hoe compares with the MF220 (circa 1945?)\r\nAny further info would be appreciated\r\nThanks\r\n\r\nPS My whole unit was painted and decaled as a Cockshutt 550 and when I re-did it last year I discovered green and yellow base paint on the loader (maybe industrial??). The tractor body was red base throughout except the  rear hubs were oliver yellow. It does have the solid front axle like the industrial unit.','',0,0,'gA==','27hzyvl5',0,0,'u_322','',0),(655,0,319,0,'',1065005536,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 770','John,\r\n\r\nThank you for your reply.  The rear axle displays \"Oliver\" on one side and \"Rowcrop\" on the other.  THanks..\r\n\r\nGeorge','',0,0,'gA==','3mtzaac6',0,0,'u_319','',0),(656,0,319,0,'',1065005536,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 770','John,\r\n\r\nThank you for your reply.  The rear axle displays \"Oliver\" on one side and \"Rowcrop\" on the other.  THanks..\r\n\r\nGeorge','',0,0,'gA==','3mtzaac6',0,0,'u_319','',0),(657,0,56,0,'',1065053592,1,1,1,1,'535 V-8','Thanks for the information.  Will gladly take all I can get.\r\nThanks\r\nChuck','',0,0,'gA==','3qr6zt0a',0,0,'u_56','',0),(658,0,56,0,'',1065053592,1,1,1,1,'535 V-8','Thanks for the information.  Will gladly take all I can get.\r\nThanks\r\nChuck','',0,0,'gA==','3qr6zt0a',0,0,'u_56','',0),(665,0,323,0,'',1065235180,1,1,1,1,'OC-3 Generator / Regulator Charging problems','Good Evening John,\r\n\r\nThanks for the response to our problem.\r\n\r\nDo I understand you correctly that the Gen and Reg that we have is for a Positive Ground???   We still can\'t get the polarization procedure to reverse the field.\r\n\r\nThanks again,\r\n\r\nJohn Rzepka','',0,0,'gA==','2ougyvyy',0,0,'u_323','',0),(666,0,323,0,'',1065235180,1,1,1,1,'OC-3 Generator / Regulator Charging problems','Good Evening John,\r\n\r\nThanks for the response to our problem.\r\n\r\nDo I understand you correctly that the Gen and Reg that we have is for a Positive Ground???   We still can\'t get the polarization procedure to reverse the field.\r\n\r\nThanks again,\r\n\r\nJohn Rzepka','',0,0,'gA==','2ougyvyy',0,0,'u_323','',0),(671,0,323,0,'',1065307453,1,1,1,1,'Re: Charging system','[quote:3ig0v5tl]I have some delco bulletins that explain many things. send me a U S mail address and a phone number. I will be out of town on business from Sunday noon until Friday night.[/quote:3ig0v5tl]\r\n\r\nJohn,\r\n\r\nIf you could....that would be greatly appreciated.  It would make my Dad happy too.\r\n\r\nJohn P. Rzepka\r\n5591 Harborgreen Road\r\nErie,  PA   16510\r\n\r\n(814) 899-4621\r\n\r\nThanks again,\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','3ig0v5tl',0,0,'u_323','',0),(672,0,323,0,'',1065307453,1,1,1,1,'Re: Charging system','[quote:3ig0v5tl]I have some delco bulletins that explain many things. send me a U S mail address and a phone number. I will be out of town on business from Sunday noon until Friday night.[/quote:3ig0v5tl]\r\n\r\nJohn,\r\n\r\nIf you could....that would be greatly appreciated.  It would make my Dad happy too.\r\n\r\nJohn P. Rzepka\r\n5591 Harborgreen Road\r\nErie,  PA   16510\r\n\r\n(814) 899-4621\r\n\r\nThanks again,\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','3ig0v5tl',0,0,'u_323','',0),(675,0,324,0,'',1065397353,1,1,1,1,'Hello John!','This is Bruce Cadwell form Busco.  I\'ve seen you on the YTMag site and thought I\'d come over here and say HEY!\r\n\r\nCatch ya later in eve.   Bruce','',0,0,'gA==','3pqhcvxk',0,0,'u_324','',0),(676,0,324,0,'',1065397353,1,1,1,1,'Hello John!','This is Bruce Cadwell form Busco.  I\'ve seen you on the YTMag site and thought I\'d come over here and say HEY!\r\n\r\nCatch ya later in eve.   Bruce','',0,0,'gA==','3pqhcvxk',0,0,'u_324','',0),(678,0,35,0,'',1065404790,1,1,1,1,'Hydraelectric garden tractor','John\r\nYou may have seen the 105 on ebay. He also had an Oliver hydraelectric. It had the 50 era decals Did Oliver sell this unit or is it just a converted Wheelhorse? I thought Oliver only sold Jacobsens in the early 70\'s under their brand. Did you tell me that you liked David Browns and was looking for one?','',0,0,'gA==','1f2dqsee',0,0,'u_35','',0),(680,0,105,0,'',1065447306,1,1,1,1,'Re: 535 V-8','You are welcome, but i feel like a goof for not knowing what you meant about the valves....DUH.  I dont know where my brain was on that one.  Oh well, if I can help any other way let me know... I wil try.\r\nIan','',0,0,'gA==','1zwx3xel',0,0,'u_105','',0),(685,0,319,0,'',1065612140,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 770','[quote:3fopjxll][quote:3fopjxll]John,\n\nThank you for your reply.  The rear axle displays \"Oliver\" on one side and \"Rowcrop\" on the other.  THanks..\n\nGeorge[/quote:3fopjxll]\nO. K that means it was built somewhere between 58 &amp; 63. Next question. Do you have factory power steering. Also look by the generator and see if a number is stamped in a flat spot which would be the engine number. They went to that location in 61. Before that they were stamped on the right r3ear engine flange. I will be gone for a week so don\'t expect a quick reply.[/quote:3fopjxll]\r\n\r\nJohn, again thank you for your reply.\r\n\r\nLooking over the tractor yesterday, I believe I do have factory power steering.  The PS pump and generator are back-to-back on the right-side of the engine.  The generator does not look original, but the PS pump does.\r\n\r\nThere are no numbers on the right-side of the engine.\r\n\r\nThe tractor has a wide front axle (not a tricycle).  On the rear axle is printed \"Oliver\" on one side and \"Rowcrop\" on the other.  The engine is a 6 cylinder gas.  The transmission has three forward speeds and one reverse.  I can not find any mechanism for low/high on the transmission to double the speeds.  The carb, air cleaner assembly, and starter are on the left-side of the engine.  The distributer and generator/power steering pump are on the right-side of the engine.  There appears to be a tachometer connection under the distributer that is currently not hooked up.\r\n\r\nI can not find any model/serial number plate anywhere.  It may have been on the dash as I see holes in the dash where is may have been located.\r\n\r\nHere are the numbers that I can find:\r\n\r\nEngine, left-side rear (in top to bottom order):\r\n\r\n	185220F\r\n	104306A\r\n	2170\r\n\r\nCarb (metal tag attached to float bowl bolt):\r\n\r\n	Marvel Schebler TSXU-836\r\n\r\nClutch housing, rear face:\r\n\r\n	101467A\r\n\r\nFrame, right-side rear in front of axle:\r\n\r\n	101472A\r\n\r\nWhat confuses me is that the literature I have says a 770 has 6 forward speeds and 2 reverse.  My Oliver only has 3 forward/1 reverse.  I not sure if this tractor is suppose to have a low/high selector on the trans.  I can not find where a lever connects for this purpose.\r\n\r\nAgain, I thank you for your time and efforts in helping me identify my Oliver...\r\n\r\nGeorge','',0,0,'gA==','3fopjxll',0,0,'u_319','',0),(686,0,319,0,'',1065612140,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 770','[quote:3fopjxll][quote:3fopjxll]John,\n\nThank you for your reply.  The rear axle displays \"Oliver\" on one side and \"Rowcrop\" on the other.  THanks..\n\nGeorge[/quote:3fopjxll]\nO. K that means it was built somewhere between 58 &amp; 63. Next question. Do you have factory power steering. Also look by the generator and see if a number is stamped in a flat spot which would be the engine number. They went to that location in 61. Before that they were stamped on the right r3ear engine flange. I will be gone for a week so don\'t expect a quick reply.[/quote:3fopjxll]\r\n\r\nJohn, again thank you for your reply.\r\n\r\nLooking over the tractor yesterday, I believe I do have factory power steering.  The PS pump and generator are back-to-back on the right-side of the engine.  The generator does not look original, but the PS pump does.\r\n\r\nThere are no numbers on the right-side of the engine.\r\n\r\nThe tractor has a wide front axle (not a tricycle).  On the rear axle is printed \"Oliver\" on one side and \"Rowcrop\" on the other.  The engine is a 6 cylinder gas.  The transmission has three forward speeds and one reverse.  I can not find any mechanism for low/high on the transmission to double the speeds.  The carb, air cleaner assembly, and starter are on the left-side of the engine.  The distributer and generator/power steering pump are on the right-side of the engine.  There appears to be a tachometer connection under the distributer that is currently not hooked up.\r\n\r\nI can not find any model/serial number plate anywhere.  It may have been on the dash as I see holes in the dash where is may have been located.\r\n\r\nHere are the numbers that I can find:\r\n\r\nEngine, left-side rear (in top to bottom order):\r\n\r\n	185220F\r\n	104306A\r\n	2170\r\n\r\nCarb (metal tag attached to float bowl bolt):\r\n\r\n	Marvel Schebler TSXU-836\r\n\r\nClutch housing, rear face:\r\n\r\n	101467A\r\n\r\nFrame, right-side rear in front of axle:\r\n\r\n	101472A\r\n\r\nWhat confuses me is that the literature I have says a 770 has 6 forward speeds and 2 reverse.  My Oliver only has 3 forward/1 reverse.  I not sure if this tractor is suppose to have a low/high selector on the trans.  I can not find where a lever connects for this purpose.\r\n\r\nAgain, I thank you for your time and efforts in helping me identify my Oliver...\r\n\r\nGeorge','',0,0,'gA==','3fopjxll',0,0,'u_319','',0),(689,0,324,0,'',1065919351,1,1,1,1,'Hi John','How\'s it goin Tractor John!\'\r\n\r\nBruce','',0,0,'gA==','hrqp279f',0,0,'u_324','',0),(690,0,324,0,'',1065919351,1,1,1,1,'Hi John','How\'s it goin Tractor John!\'\r\n\r\nBruce','',0,0,'gA==','hrqp279f',0,0,'u_324','',0),(697,0,324,0,'',1066010212,1,1,1,1,'Re: Hi John','Hi again there John and be sure to say Hi to Mike for me.  Oh, I think I\'ll let someone else ride the big seat in Toledo. I\'ve got plenty to keep me busy in Busco. Still doing computer stuff there. Hey, send me your email again...  came thru with a : in front...  not sure what it is... my email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:beecad@aol.com\">beecad@aol.com</a><!-- e -->   you can send me an email there and I\'ll get it there.  I\'ve been readin the Yesterdays Tractors website for some time but usually read the JD or IH forums and one day I was surfing some new territory...  the Oliver forum and low and be hold there was your posts in there...  thried to figure out how to send you a reply...  I did a couple times but you must not have seen themm as they were probably from an older post.  I don\'t have much to add to those posts but sure is fun to read through them and reminiss about my early days riding on a JDeere B and an IH Cub and many other tractors as I worked for many of the neighborhood farmers around where I grew up in NW Indiana.  Thanks for the reply...  talk to ya agn soon.   Bruce','',0,0,'gA==','1ukropgy',0,0,'u_324','',0),(698,0,324,0,'',1066010212,1,1,1,1,'Re: Hi John','Hi again there John and be sure to say Hi to Mike for me.  Oh, I think I\'ll let someone else ride the big seat in Toledo. I\'ve got plenty to keep me busy in Busco. Still doing computer stuff there. Hey, send me your email again...  came thru with a : in front...  not sure what it is... my email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:beecad@aol.com\">beecad@aol.com</a><!-- e -->   you can send me an email there and I\'ll get it there.  I\'ve been readin the Yesterdays Tractors website for some time but usually read the JD or IH forums and one day I was surfing some new territory...  the Oliver forum and low and be hold there was your posts in there...  thried to figure out how to send you a reply...  I did a couple times but you must not have seen themm as they were probably from an older post.  I don\'t have much to add to those posts but sure is fun to read through them and reminiss about my early days riding on a JDeere B and an IH Cub and many other tractors as I worked for many of the neighborhood farmers around where I grew up in NW Indiana.  Thanks for the reply...  talk to ya agn soon.   Bruce','',0,0,'gA==','1ukropgy',0,0,'u_324','',0),(699,0,319,0,'',1066056926,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 770','John,\r\n\r\nMy regular e-mail is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:pate@ipact.com\">pate@ipact.com</a><!-- e -->.  My home address is:\r\n\r\nGeorge Pate\r\n7219 White Oak Avenue\r\nHammond, IN 46324\r\n\r\nMy phone is (219) 746-9209.\r\n\r\nThanks again for your help!\r\n\r\nGeorge\r\n\r\n[quote:258rzq4v][quote:258rzq4v][quote:258rzq4v][quote:258rzq4v]John,\n\nThank you for your reply.  The rear axle displays \"Oliver\" on one side and \"Rowcrop\" on the other.  THanks..\n\nGeorge[/quote:258rzq4v]\nO. K that means it was built somewhere between 58 &amp; 63. Next question. Do you have factory power steering. Also look by the generator and see if a number is stamped in a flat spot which would be the engine number. They went to that location in 61. Before that they were stamped on the right r3ear engine flange. I will be gone for a week so don\'t expect a quick reply.[/quote:258rzq4v]\n\nJohn, again thank you for your reply.\n\nLooking over the tractor yesterday, I believe I do have factory power steering.  The PS pump and generator are back-to-back on the right-side of the engine.  The generator does not look original, but the PS pump does.\n\nThere are no numbers on the right-side of the engine.\n\nThe tractor has a wide front axle (not a tricycle).  On the rear axle is printed \"Oliver\" on one side and \"Rowcrop\" on the other.  The engine is a 6 cylinder gas.  The transmission has three forward speeds and one reverse.  I can not find any mechanism for low/high on the transmission to double the speeds.  The carb, air cleaner assembly, and starter are on the left-side of the engine.  The distributer and generator/power steering pump are on the right-side of the engine.  There appears to be a tachometer connection under the distributer that is currently not hooked up.\n\nI can not find any model/serial number plate anywhere.  It may have been on the dash as I see holes in the dash where is may have been located.\n\nHere are the numbers that I can find:\n\nEngine, left-side rear (in top to bottom order):\n\n	185220F\n	104306A\n	2170\n\nCarb (metal tag attached to float bowl bolt):\n\n	Marvel Schebler TSXU-836\n\nClutch housing, rear face:\n\n	101467A\n\nFrame, right-side rear in front of axle:\n\n	101472A\n\nWhat confuses me is that the literature I have says a 770 has 6 forward speeds and 2 reverse.  My Oliver only has 3 forward/1 reverse.  I not sure if this tractor is suppose to have a low/high selector on the trans.  I can not find where a lever connects for this purpose.\n\nAgain, I thank you for your time and efforts in helping me identify my Oliver...\n\nGeorge\n[/quote:258rzq4v]\nSend me your U. S. mail address and  your normal e-mail address plus a phone number. i will send you some photo copies that should help you. I will be home next week but then gone for two more. John[/quote:258rzq4v]','',0,0,'gA==','258rzq4v',0,0,'u_319','',0),(700,0,319,0,'',1066056926,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 770','John,\r\n\r\nMy regular e-mail is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:pate@ipact.com\">pate@ipact.com</a><!-- e -->.  My home address is:\r\n\r\nGeorge Pate\r\n7219 White Oak Avenue\r\nHammond, IN 46324\r\n\r\nMy phone is (219) 746-9209.\r\n\r\nThanks again for your help!\r\n\r\nGeorge\r\n\r\n[quote:258rzq4v][quote:258rzq4v][quote:258rzq4v][quote:258rzq4v]John,\n\nThank you for your reply.  The rear axle displays \"Oliver\" on one side and \"Rowcrop\" on the other.  THanks..\n\nGeorge[/quote:258rzq4v]\nO. K that means it was built somewhere between 58 &amp; 63. Next question. Do you have factory power steering. Also look by the generator and see if a number is stamped in a flat spot which would be the engine number. They went to that location in 61. Before that they were stamped on the right r3ear engine flange. I will be gone for a week so don\'t expect a quick reply.[/quote:258rzq4v]\n\nJohn, again thank you for your reply.\n\nLooking over the tractor yesterday, I believe I do have factory power steering.  The PS pump and generator are back-to-back on the right-side of the engine.  The generator does not look original, but the PS pump does.\n\nThere are no numbers on the right-side of the engine.\n\nThe tractor has a wide front axle (not a tricycle).  On the rear axle is printed \"Oliver\" on one side and \"Rowcrop\" on the other.  The engine is a 6 cylinder gas.  The transmission has three forward speeds and one reverse.  I can not find any mechanism for low/high on the transmission to double the speeds.  The carb, air cleaner assembly, and starter are on the left-side of the engine.  The distributer and generator/power steering pump are on the right-side of the engine.  There appears to be a tachometer connection under the distributer that is currently not hooked up.\n\nI can not find any model/serial number plate anywhere.  It may have been on the dash as I see holes in the dash where is may have been located.\n\nHere are the numbers that I can find:\n\nEngine, left-side rear (in top to bottom order):\n\n	185220F\n	104306A\n	2170\n\nCarb (metal tag attached to float bowl bolt):\n\n	Marvel Schebler TSXU-836\n\nClutch housing, rear face:\n\n	101467A\n\nFrame, right-side rear in front of axle:\n\n	101472A\n\nWhat confuses me is that the literature I have says a 770 has 6 forward speeds and 2 reverse.  My Oliver only has 3 forward/1 reverse.  I not sure if this tractor is suppose to have a low/high selector on the trans.  I can not find where a lever connects for this purpose.\n\nAgain, I thank you for your time and efforts in helping me identify my Oliver...\n\nGeorge\n[/quote:258rzq4v]\nSend me your U. S. mail address and  your normal e-mail address plus a phone number. i will send you some photo copies that should help you. I will be home next week but then gone for two more. John[/quote:258rzq4v]','',0,0,'gA==','258rzq4v',0,0,'u_319','',0),(705,0,333,0,'',1066169943,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1550 Clutch','[quote:1c3ivj2w]Your name rings a bell. I have many questions about your clutch. Send me a normal e-mail address and a phone number.[/quote:1c3ivj2w]\r\n\r\nHi John, Your name also rings bells. My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:mpgreenland@lycos.com\">mpgreenland@lycos.com</a><!-- e --> and my phone # is (814)448-3648.  My name is Mike and my Dad\'s name is Gary.  You can ask for either one of us about the Olivers we have.  Thank You','',0,0,'gA==','1c3ivj2w',0,0,'u_333','',0),(706,0,333,0,'',1066169943,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1550 Clutch','[quote:1c3ivj2w]Your name rings a bell. I have many questions about your clutch. Send me a normal e-mail address and a phone number.[/quote:1c3ivj2w]\r\n\r\nHi John, Your name also rings bells. My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:mpgreenland@lycos.com\">mpgreenland@lycos.com</a><!-- e --> and my phone # is (814)448-3648.  My name is Mike and my Dad\'s name is Gary.  You can ask for either one of us about the Olivers we have.  Thank You','',0,0,'gA==','1c3ivj2w',0,0,'u_333','',0),(709,0,335,0,'',1066222997,1,1,1,1,'Is 99gm still for sale?','Is this tractor still for sale?  If yes, please email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:kfdfarmer@aol.com\">kfdfarmer@aol.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nThank you','',0,0,'gA==','3qr7zjuh',0,0,'u_335','',0),(711,0,105,0,'',1066225262,1,1,1,1,'old style tin','i had sent you a U2U last month about the old style 88 sheetmetal that you had...\r\nI dont know if you got it or not, but i thougt I would try again.  If you arent using that stuff I sure could.  I have an old style 88 Industrial that has almost none whatsoever.  Let me know if you can help.\r\nIan','',0,0,'gA==','15dthyla',0,0,'u_105','',0),(715,0,105,0,'',1066312031,1,1,1,1,'Misc Forum','I had an idea on here a while back.  I think a Misc. forum would be a good idea....I am active on other boards and the misc. forum is the place to talk about other stuff.  The ONLY place.  I just wondered what you thought.  Thanks.','',0,0,'gA==','21yxeuqy',0,0,'u_105','',0),(716,0,105,0,'',1066312031,1,1,1,1,'Misc Forum','I had an idea on here a while back.  I think a Misc. forum would be a good idea....I am active on other boards and the misc. forum is the place to talk about other stuff.  The ONLY place.  I just wondered what you thought.  Thanks.','',0,0,'gA==','21yxeuqy',0,0,'u_105','',0),(724,0,254,0,'',1066427931,1,1,1,1,'Re: 88 belt pully','[quote:ig99dd6y][quote:ig99dd6y][quote:ig99dd6y][quote:ig99dd6y]Do u have one?are all the pullys the same ?IF you have one how much do you whant for it?\nGreg[/quote:ig99dd6y]Are you talking the pulley where the belt goes or the gear box that bolts to the transmission that drives the belt pulley. I have the gear box. [/quote:ig99dd6y]\nI need just the pully i have a box on my 88 already .Greg[/quote:ig99dd6y]\nDid you find a plow yet? On your horsepower, have you checked it on a dyno?[/quote:ig99dd6y]\r\nJohn no idid not find a plow around yet for a good price .no i hanv not put it on a dyno yet .','',0,0,'gA==','ig99dd6y',0,0,'u_254','',0),(729,0,333,0,'',1066782125,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1550 Clutch','That\'s how we talked.  Yeah we have a 660 wide front end and we did get a dozer an OC12.\r\n[quote:2i0fjd6m][quote:2i0fjd6m][quote:2i0fjd6m]Your name rings a bell. I have many questions about your clutch. Send me a normal e-mail address and a phone number.[/quote:2i0fjd6m]\n\nHi John, Your name also rings bells. My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:mpgreenland@lycos.com\">mpgreenland@lycos.com</a><!-- e --> and my phone # is (814)448-3648.  My name is Mike and my Dad\'s name is Gary.  You can ask for either one of us about the Olivers we have.  Thank You[/quote:2i0fjd6m]\nI think you are the guy that sent me the picture of the 660. You looking at a crawler or something. I will try to send e-mail tomorrow night.[/quote:2i0fjd6m]','',0,0,'gA==','2i0fjd6m',0,0,'u_333','',0),(730,0,333,0,'',1066782125,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1550 Clutch','That\'s how we talked.  Yeah we have a 660 wide front end and we did get a dozer an OC12.\r\n[quote:2i0fjd6m][quote:2i0fjd6m][quote:2i0fjd6m]Your name rings a bell. I have many questions about your clutch. Send me a normal e-mail address and a phone number.[/quote:2i0fjd6m]\n\nHi John, Your name also rings bells. My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:mpgreenland@lycos.com\">mpgreenland@lycos.com</a><!-- e --> and my phone # is (814)448-3648.  My name is Mike and my Dad\'s name is Gary.  You can ask for either one of us about the Olivers we have.  Thank You[/quote:2i0fjd6m]\nI think you are the guy that sent me the picture of the 660. You looking at a crawler or something. I will try to send e-mail tomorrow night.[/quote:2i0fjd6m]','',0,0,'gA==','2i0fjd6m',0,0,'u_333','',0),(732,0,98,0,'',1067089633,1,1,1,1,'crawler','Let me know where you are I\'m in Ohio. My number is 740 363 3106 . and we\'ll talk price. Mike','',0,0,'gA==','d9213ih8',0,0,'u_98','',0),(733,0,345,0,'',1067137560,1,1,1,1,'crawler','I\'m sure you have found a taker by now.\r\n\r\nHowever, if not, I am in central Iowa and would be willing to get the crawler if in Iowa, or close to its\' borders.\r\n\r\nHarold  Phipps\r\n\r\n(515)733-2827','',0,0,'gA==','3mfr4lev',0,0,'u_345','',0),(736,0,206,0,'',1067224328,1,1,1,1,'','','',0,0,'0','3hv2yodb',0,0,'u_206','',0),(737,0,322,0,'',1067795241,1,1,1,1,'550 upgrades','I\'m at the stage of deciding whether or not to do the upgrades on my 550 that you have just gone through. I want to convert to a NEG ground system, install an alternator, and try the electronic ignition upgrade. Can you tell me whether you have resolved your backfiring problem and what are the pitfalls in doing each of these upgrades? \r\nThanks','',0,0,'gA==','w6vs8mj9',0,0,'u_322','',0),(738,0,322,0,'',1067795241,1,1,1,1,'550 upgrades','I\'m at the stage of deciding whether or not to do the upgrades on my 550 that you have just gone through. I want to convert to a NEG ground system, install an alternator, and try the electronic ignition upgrade. Can you tell me whether you have resolved your backfiring problem and what are the pitfalls in doing each of these upgrades? \r\nThanks','',0,0,'gA==','w6vs8mj9',0,0,'u_322','',0),(740,0,340,0,'',1067818883,1,1,1,1,'Re: crawler','[quote:32040avl]I\'m sure you have found a taker by now.\nTractor located in upstate New York.\n\n\n\nHowever, if not, I am in central Iowa and would be willing to get the crawler if in Iowa, or close to its\' borders.\n\nHarold  Phipps\n\n(515)733-2827[/quote:32040avl]','',0,0,'gA==','32040avl',0,0,'u_340','',0),(742,0,340,0,'',1067818888,1,1,1,1,'Re: crawler','[quote:1cghi1zd]I\'m sure you have found a taker by now.\nTractor located in upstate New York.\n\n\n\nHowever, if not, I am in central Iowa and would be willing to get the crawler if in Iowa, or close to its\' borders.\n\nHarold  Phipps\n\n(515)733-2827[/quote:1cghi1zd]','',0,0,'gA==','1cghi1zd',0,0,'u_340','',0),(744,0,340,0,'',1067820149,1,1,1,1,'Re: crawler','[Tractor is in New York State, 60mi NW of New York City\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nquote]Let me know where you are I\'m in Ohio. My number is 740 363 3106 . and we\'ll talk price. Mike[/quote]','',0,0,'','1523mfu0',0,0,'u_340','',0),(764,0,351,0,'',1068088598,1,1,1,1,'Re: 80 wide front','[quote:3lxkwgcm]James--I might be interested in the 80 wide front that you have.  Is it complete, and how much are you asking?  Also, how are you coming along with the 80 industrial?  Please let me know, Terry Allen.[/quote:3lxkwgcm]','',0,0,'gA==','3lxkwgcm',0,0,'u_351','',0),(766,0,351,0,'',1068089158,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 80 Front end','Hi Terry,\r\nPosted a reply on the board - I have a second industrial 80 now - it is HD with a Lull loader - hoping to make one good one -long way to go.  Front end is complete, with the casting that connects to the wishbone, no apparrent welds or cracks.  Tie rods look fairly good, has the steering rod, brake rods, etc.  No starting crank.  Will sell it for $400. Thanks,\r\nJames','',0,0,'gA==','1vetp7zg',0,0,'u_351','',0),(769,0,345,0,'',1068176214,1,1,1,1,'Re: crawler','Thanks for the reply. As you may guess,it is a tad far for me to come get. dang!\r\n\r\nMaybe try  Zimmerman Oliver-Cletrac in Pennsylvania. (717)738-2573\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:1ixshbst][quote:1ixshbst]I\'m sure you have found a taker by now.\nTractor located in upstate New York.\n\n\n\nHowever, if not, I am in central Iowa and would be willing to get the crawler if in Iowa, or close to its\' borders.\n\nHarold  Phipps\n\n(515)733-2827[/quote:1ixshbst][/quote:1ixshbst]','',0,0,'gA==','1ixshbst',0,0,'u_345','',0),(776,0,98,0,'',1068299432,1,1,1,1,'cletrac','I\'m in Delaware ,Ohio about 10 miles nouth of Columbus. Call me and I\'ll give you directions 740 363 3106 or email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:mikek@midohio.net\">mikek@midohio.net</a><!-- e --> . I don\'t always check this site if I\'m working late .Thanks Mike','',0,0,'gA==','a4efd38h',0,0,'u_98','',0),(783,0,312,0,'',1068472493,1,1,1,1,'Re: 18-27','[quote:14bimo75]Send me a U. S. Mail address and I will send you some pages out of the Oliver shop manual[/quote:14bimo75]\r\n\r\nHi John,  Thanks for the offer.  My mailing address is 16790 Garfield Road, Big Rapids, Michigan.  49307.  Thanks again.\r\n\r\nJoe Hazewinkel','',0,0,'gA==','14bimo75',0,0,'u_312','',0),(784,0,312,0,'',1068472493,1,1,1,1,'Re: 18-27','[quote:14bimo75]Send me a U. S. Mail address and I will send you some pages out of the Oliver shop manual[/quote:14bimo75]\r\n\r\nHi John,  Thanks for the offer.  My mailing address is 16790 Garfield Road, Big Rapids, Michigan.  49307.  Thanks again.\r\n\r\nJoe Hazewinkel','',0,0,'gA==','14bimo75',0,0,'u_312','',0),(786,0,26,0,'',1068487537,1,1,1,1,'Fired','','',0,0,'0','2xn8nxen',0,0,'u_26','',0),(788,0,26,0,'',1068488141,1,1,1,1,'Fired','Yes, I was fired over the weekend.  I had absolutely NO idea that it was coming.  I am more than aware that the board doesn\'t like so I\'ve been especially careful to walk the line the last 6 months making sure that they have no grips against me.  Little did I know that following Penfield they set the wheels in motion for my removal. This is nothing more than petty jealousy from a power hungry board.\r\n\r\nI feel terrible about this for 2 reasons.  Firstly, the club itself is going to suffer greatly from this.  I love this club and wish it no harm.\r\n\r\nSecondly, I feel like they just cut my heart out.  This magazine was my heart and soul.  I have no husband or kids, so this was my baby.  I\'ve been thrown out into the world of unemployment with no notice and during a bad time in our economy.  This was the dream job for me and although it wasn\'t the best paying job I could have, I didn\'t care.  It\'s what I loved and dreamed of doing.  I had 10 great years of it.\r\n\r\nI\'m not sure what is going to happen with the magazine now or if the membership can do anything about it.  I see a couple different scenerios.  We can get rid of a few board members, bring me back and keep going strong,  or the club can go down the tubes.  I personally will not send in my next $30 under this current leadership.  \r\n\r\nAs for what I can do....my hands are tied.  They will not even let me say my good-byes.  As far as they\'re concerned, they have locked me out in the cold with no chance of getting back in.   \r\n\r\nThank you for your support.  If you have any questions regarding what happened, please feel free to ask me.  I doubt that you\'ll get much truth out of our current board. \r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','2xrm97t5',0,0,'u_26','',0),(790,0,26,0,'',1068493520,1,1,1,1,'Fired','Frank,\r\nThis is true.  At a board meeting over the weekend, the board went into a closed meeting and 2 hours later, I was fired.  I had NO clue whatsoever.  Now that I\'ve been digging into it, I find out that they started this process shortly after Penfield.  \r\n\r\nYour suspicions are correct.  This all leads back to jealousy.  They admitted that they find no fault with the job I\'m doing or the magazine.  It\'s strictly personal.  Not only have they ripped my heart out, but they just made me an unemployed person.  Now I have to go out and beg for a job somewhere.  I used to be a respected person, now I\'m unemployed for no good reason. \r\n\r\nI can only hope that the membership can overthrow this current board and get this straightened out.  I know that a contract is being drawn up today with a new editor and company.  And it will cost the club more money than I did.  \r\n\r\nThey won\'t even let me say goodbye in the magazine.  I\'m DONE effect NOW.  There was a 60 day clause in the contract, but they are even willing to buy their way out of that to assure I don\'t get the last word in.  \r\n\r\nIt has been an honor and a privelege to work as your editor and I can\'t even imagine what I\'ll do without it.  For 10 years I\'ve been part of this club and 7 people took it all away from me.  It\'s a dark day  in this Oliver household.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','1ak3jdod',0,0,'u_26','',0),(792,0,35,0,'',1068502540,1,1,1,1,'Re: Fired','[quote:2z1yy2va]Frank,\nThis is true.  At a board meeting over the weekend, the board went into a closed meeting and 2 hours later, I was fired.  I had NO clue whatsoever.  Now that I\'ve been digging into it, I find out that they started this process shortly after Penfield.  \n\nYour suspicions are correct.  This all leads back to jealousy.  They admitted that they find no fault with the job I\'m doing or the magazine.  It\'s strictly personal.  Not only have they ripped my heart out, but they just made me an unemployed person.  Now I have to go out and beg for a job somewhere.  I used to be a respected person, now I\'m unemployed for no good reason. \n\nI can only hope that the membership can overthrow this current board and get this straightened out.  I know that a contract is being drawn up today with a new editor and company.  And it will cost the club more money than I did.  \n\nThey won\'t even let me say goodbye in the magazine.  I\'m DONE effect NOW.  There was a 60 day clause in the contract, but they are even willing to buy their way out of that to assure I don\'t get the last word in.  \n\nIt has been an honor and a privelege to work as your editor and I can\'t even imagine what I\'ll do without it.  For 10 years I\'ve been part of this club and 7 people took it all away from me.  It\'s a dark day  in this Oliver household.\n\nSherry\nI am so sorry. It has been a pleasure meeting you and having Oliver conversations. As you know I live in TN and don\'t have a lot of pull however I need you to send me the primary people involved in this unethical behavior. Send by U2U and I will help any way I can.\nFrank\nSherry[/quote:2z1yy2va]','',0,0,'gA==','2z1yy2va',0,0,'u_35','',0),(793,0,105,0,'',1068504017,1,1,1,1,'','Hey Frank, what is the deal with Sherry \r\nhave you heard anything else','',0,0,'gA==','1v0jm6ak',0,0,'u_105','',0),(794,0,105,0,'',1068504017,1,1,1,1,'','Hey Frank, what is the deal with Sherry \r\nhave you heard anything else','',0,0,'gA==','1v0jm6ak',0,0,'u_105','',0),(795,0,35,0,'',1068504716,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:19vgsmqm]Hey Frank, what is the deal with Sherry \nh ave you heard anything else[/quote:19vgsmqm]\r\n\r\nSherry emailed me through U2U a few minutes ago. It seems that the directors got together this weekend and dismissed her. Her dismissal was effective today and they refused to let her have space for goodbyes in the magazine. Apparently this started before Penfield and has been festering. Sure sounds like a railroad job to me. I think she has done an excellent job for the money she is payed. I will let you know if I hear more. I will be out of pocket until noon tomorrow.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','19vgsmqm',0,0,'u_35','',0),(796,0,35,0,'',1068504716,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:19vgsmqm]Hey Frank, what is the deal with Sherry \nh ave you heard anything else[/quote:19vgsmqm]\r\n\r\nSherry emailed me through U2U a few minutes ago. It seems that the directors got together this weekend and dismissed her. Her dismissal was effective today and they refused to let her have space for goodbyes in the magazine. Apparently this started before Penfield and has been festering. Sure sounds like a railroad job to me. I think she has done an excellent job for the money she is payed. I will let you know if I hear more. I will be out of pocket until noon tomorrow.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','19vgsmqm',0,0,'u_35','',0),(800,0,26,0,'',1068516341,1,1,1,1,'Re: Fired','Frank,\r\nThe key individuals who initiated this hostile takeover were Terry Allen, Jim Kline, Sparky Duroe and Pete Markowski.  Actually every single board member except Landis Zimmerman were in on this.  Sparky was not at the meeting but knew all about it and applauded the action about to be taken.  In the final vote, it was 7-1 to remove me.  This is nothing but a personal attack on me which achieved what they wanted - to hurt me.  But it also is taking the club with it.  I would appreciate anything you can do.  I still believe this is the member\'s club and they should have the ultimate say in what is done. - Sherry','',0,0,'gA==','1d8hi2v4',0,0,'u_26','',0),(802,0,351,0,'',1068518408,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 80 Front end','Hi Terry,\r\nNo problem waiting till you are ready.  I will just wait till I hear from you.  You may have better luck catching me by phone. (920)206 9003.  I probably will not make it to Aumann\'s auction, but if I hear of someone heading your way, I will work something out.  Thanks for the lead on the side panel - they would make a nice addition.\r\n\r\nJames\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:1kf1ufgv]James--thanks for the response.  I am very interested in the wide front, but am short of cash until about the end of November.  If you are not in a rush, I will take it.  I have a couple of tractors and some parts that will sell on Aumann\'s auction on Thanksgiving weekend.  I now have my 80 industrial overhauled and running pretty good.  Now it just needs cleaned up and painted.  If you need side panels, Richard Lynch made a few sets last year using my set as patterns.  Also, is there any chance that you are planning to come down for the auction over Thanksgiving?  Just thought if you were coming, might have you bring the wide front.  Just let me know.  Thanks, Terry.[quote:1kf1ufgv]Hi Terry,\nPosted a reply on the board - I have a second industrial 80 now - it is HD with a Lull loader - hoping to make one good one -long way to go.  Front end is complete, with the casting that connects to the wishbone, no apparrent welds or cracks.  Tie rods look fairly good, has the steering rod, brake rods, etc.  No starting crank.  Will sell it for $400. Thanks,\nJames[/quote:1kf1ufgv][/quote:1kf1ufgv]','',0,0,'gA==','1kf1ufgv',0,0,'u_351','',0),(804,0,26,0,'',1068563422,1,1,1,1,'Good points','Good point Frank!  Because there IS NO problem with my work performance.  All of this has to do with personality conflicts and the constant lying of our President who has completely tainted the board against me.  This all goes back to their jealousy over No. 3.  They can\'t get over it and can\'t hide their lies anymore.  If you question that, I\'ll gladly give you the e-mail address of the man who handled the project with the Smithsonian.  \r\n\r\nWhile I was laying in bed last night, I too wondered how we could put the subject of \"pursuing the posibility of a musuem\" on the ballot for the membership to decide, but they had no choice in this matter.  We just sent out a ballot.  It could have been on there.\r\n\r\nYes, the team they assembled is going to cost more money.  The new editor, who is NOT in the publishing business, but assembles his chapter\'s \"newsletter\", will be responsible for gathering material and turning it over to a true professional design team who will then lay out the magazine and print it.  Your new editor, who is NOT a professional, will be required to do much less work than I did, but they\'re going to pay him more money.  That shouldn\'t be discussed though because it came from my inside source.  However, it is a slap in the face after 10 years of service.  \r\n\r\nIf a board member does respond on this forum, I\'ll bet their reasoning is not believable.  I\'m not sure who 98dba is, but I know it\'s a good friend of Terry Allens as they\'re from the same town.  I really think it\'s a family member of Terry\'s.  \r\n\r\nIn the next few days, I will post my explanation of my termination on my website.  I was holding off until I received notification from them as this hasn\'t happened yet.  They haven\'t even had enough nerve to inform me yet.  They sent Landis to do their dirty work and he too is crushed by this.  I look for him to resign shortly and then their workload is really going to be multiplied.  \r\n\r\nAnother thing they have not taken into consideration is my personal archives.  I have accumulated one of the best collections of Oliver paper around just to help me do my job better.  The doors are now locked on their access to that.  If a member needs help and calls me, I\'m sure I\'ll help them....if I\'m around and have time.  Having to go get a job again changes everything.\r\n\r\nThe board is definitely not acting for the betterment of the club.  It\'s personal.  That\'s all.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','3ivohxym',0,0,'u_26','',0),(806,0,105,0,'',1068580066,1,1,1,1,'','Hello Sherry, \r\nI just wanted to say hi.  I also wanted to say how much all of us around here think of you.  I personally have met you a few times at winter get togethers and at Louisville, and each time we had a nice little conversation.  I havent ever heard anyone say anything otherwise.  You are well respected in a hobby that is mostly made up of men.\r\nI must say that we are all a little dazed and confused about this whole deal.  I dont expect you to write back and give me all the gory details...I just want you to know that we are all in shock.\r\nMostly I just wanted to let you know that you have a place in many an Oliver collectors heart, and if you happen to get down over this, there are a whole lot of us that love ya.  Dont hesitate to lean on us!\r\nHope I didnt take too much of your time.\r\nIan Hart','',0,0,'gA==','2pjwpaa2',0,0,'u_105','',0),(808,0,26,0,'',1068599262,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Ian,\r\nThank you for your support.  To say that this has got me down is an understatement.  I had no warning of this and was caught totally off guard.  There really are no gory details and I\'m still waiting for an explanation myself, although I know what the real problem is - jealousy and politics.  When they do finally give me a reason, I will post my side of the story on my website.  There\'s no telling what they\'ll accuse me of or what kind of dirt they\'re trying to dig up.  Yes, there was a personality clash among myself and a couple others.  But I never let that influence anything that I did in the magazine nor did I advertise such.  Not everyone will get along.  I do not feel this termination was justified.  Not only have they thrown me into unemployment, they have taken away the thing that I love most.  It is a serious shock to the system.  I could tell story after story of the things that have occured in the last year but that will only intice them to make up stories about me and that gets us no where.  I want my job back.  No, I want my LIFE back.  If I ever had that chance again, things would be even better than ever because I have more drive now knowing how the members feel.  Things had been rocky in the past, but since the signing of the new contract, I thought this was put behind us and I\'ve never been more proud to be your editor.  I hope I can again someday.  As for now, I guess I have to start looking for a job.\r\nEven if they had a problem with me, they should have done the proper thing and sat down with me and discussed it.  I\'m a big girl and I can take it if I\'ve done wrong.  I know I would get my hands slapped for printing John\'s letter, but I never in my wildest dreams expected this.\r\nThanks again.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','3vhhbk4y',0,0,'u_26','',0),(810,0,254,0,'',1068600131,1,1,1,1,'Re: 3 pt hitch','[quote:1k5hqp4v]Slim, I\'ve got a used one that I\'ll sell for $400. It\'s a Speeco, Cat. I &amp;II. No top link. Two Oliver hyd. cylinders on it. I got this to put on my 88 but then I purchased an 1800, so now I don\'t need it. I have never seen it on a tractor so I dont know how good (or bad) it is. Send me your e-mail address and if I still have some pictures of it, I\'ll e-mail them to you. My e-mail is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:oleblu80@hotmail.com\">oleblu80@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->  Thanks[/quote:1k5hqp4v]\r\nMY e-mail adress is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:bigblue86dodge@yahoo.com\">bigblue86dodge@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->\r\nwhere are you located ?Why dosen\'t it have a toplink?\r\nSlim','',0,0,'gA==','1k5hqp4v',0,0,'u_254','',0),(819,0,142,0,'',1068698676,1,1,1,1,'','Hey Andy,\r\n     First off, this is Dana Allen, Terry\'s son.  I met you at this summer\'s show in Penfield but I don\'t believe there was a formal introduction.  Anyways, I just wanted to say thank you for writing a response to John Tichenor\'s letter.  It should have really put him in his place, but I think everyone down there is to darn dense to let anything sink in.  Everyone pokes fun at you being a hillbilly, but I think this Greenville group has you beat in that department by a longshot!  I would also like to thank you for your support of our board of directors.  I think it is very big of you that even though you didn\'t get voted in as president you continue to stand behind Terry as much as you do.  I tell you what, I see dad almost every day and I know how much work he and the other board members put into this organization, and I get really ticked that there are people that think they act on their \"egos.\"  Anyways I think I\'ve taken up enough of your time; I just wanted to tell you that I appreciate that someone can use their head a little bit instead of just running their mouth.','',0,0,'gA==','2bqhjoqz',0,0,'u_142','',0),(820,0,142,0,'',1068698676,1,1,1,1,'','Hey Andy,\r\n     First off, this is Dana Allen, Terry\'s son.  I met you at this summer\'s show in Penfield but I don\'t believe there was a formal introduction.  Anyways, I just wanted to say thank you for writing a response to John Tichenor\'s letter.  It should have really put him in his place, but I think everyone down there is to darn dense to let anything sink in.  Everyone pokes fun at you being a hillbilly, but I think this Greenville group has you beat in that department by a longshot!  I would also like to thank you for your support of our board of directors.  I think it is very big of you that even though you didn\'t get voted in as president you continue to stand behind Terry as much as you do.  I tell you what, I see dad almost every day and I know how much work he and the other board members put into this organization, and I get really ticked that there are people that think they act on their \"egos.\"  Anyways I think I\'ve taken up enough of your time; I just wanted to tell you that I appreciate that someone can use their head a little bit instead of just running their mouth.','',0,0,'gA==','2bqhjoqz',0,0,'u_142','',0),(825,0,142,0,'',1068737042,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Hey Andy,\r\n     Sorry about the hillbilly comment...  you\'re right, those people aren\'t good enough to call hillbillies, a few other names come to mind but I\'ll abstain.  I very much enjoyed your reply to Sherry\'s attempt at an explination of a trucking bill.  I can see where they come up with their figures now, but all it is is a bunch of b.s.  I don\'t know why they think they can pull one over on a group of people that are either truck drivers or have the knowlege to know freight costs, but I guess maybe they don\'t think that far ahead.  I hope the rest of the members use their heads and let common sense prevail here.  At least it does look like this whole mess is starting to blow over a little bit.  By the way I hear there\'s a possibility of your letter being in the next magazine; I think it would be a great reply to John\'s and after that we can stick to talking tractors and not all this opinionated crap!  I hope people remember this is supposed to be a hobby and not political.  Gotta go to work so catch you later\r\n                                       Dana','',0,0,'gA==','3dflfola',0,0,'u_142','',0),(826,0,142,0,'',1068737042,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Hey Andy,\r\n     Sorry about the hillbilly comment...  you\'re right, those people aren\'t good enough to call hillbillies, a few other names come to mind but I\'ll abstain.  I very much enjoyed your reply to Sherry\'s attempt at an explination of a trucking bill.  I can see where they come up with their figures now, but all it is is a bunch of b.s.  I don\'t know why they think they can pull one over on a group of people that are either truck drivers or have the knowlege to know freight costs, but I guess maybe they don\'t think that far ahead.  I hope the rest of the members use their heads and let common sense prevail here.  At least it does look like this whole mess is starting to blow over a little bit.  By the way I hear there\'s a possibility of your letter being in the next magazine; I think it would be a great reply to John\'s and after that we can stick to talking tractors and not all this opinionated crap!  I hope people remember this is supposed to be a hobby and not political.  Gotta go to work so catch you later\r\n                                       Dana','',0,0,'gA==','3dflfola',0,0,'u_142','',0),(829,0,40,0,'',1068781619,1,1,1,1,'ByLaws Committee','Andy:  Per your request here are a couple of things that I would suggest for the new bylaws.\r\n\r\nYou got me on the wirte-in candidates.  I had not read the bylaws close enough and was somewhat misled by the box on the current ballot without a name by it.  To clarify the no write-in policy I would change Article VII,paragraph D.2.c. by striking\"There will be no write-in candiates.\"  Then I would add a subparagraph D.2.d. \"There will be no write-in votes permitted on the ballots provided to the members.\"  This will make it very clear that you are not talking about write-in nominations before a ballot is issued.\r\n\r\nI really would like to know why the members cannot use write-in votes.  There must be a reason, but if the various governments of our country permit it I don\'t know why HPOCA can\'t.\r\n\r\nThe second change I would like to see is in Article X, Paragraph D. I would add a subparagraph 1. that states: \"The annual audit will be included in the next issue of the HPOCA  magazine published after the audit is conducted.\"\r\n\r\nI know Terry says it is, but I just moved and have not yet dug out by past issues of the magazine to check that statement.  Off the top on my head I don\'t remember seeing an audit in any of the magazines.\r\n\r\nGood luck in reviewing the bylaws.  If I have any further comments I will let you know. \r\n\r\nThank you.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,0,'gA==','3l01968g',0,0,'u_40','',0),(836,0,254,0,'',1068852259,1,1,1,1,'Re: 3 pt hitch','[quote:bvm4ib6p] Slim, the fellow kept the top link to use on another tractor/blade combo he is going to use when the snow flies. He had 2 88\'s. His daughter bought one to use on her mini-farm in MN. and I bought the other 88 with a loader and the 3 point on a pallet. The one he kept is a 1650 and to my knowledge, that is the only top link he has. \n I\'m located in Galesburg, IL. I advertized the 3 point before and thought I had it sold, but the fellow never came through on the deal. \n I looked through my files and find I deleted the pictures when I thought I had it sold, as they took up a lot of \"space\" on my e-mail account. Jim Thurnau[/quote:bvm4ib6p]\r\nI am intrested is the top link like any other 3pt hitch top like or is it diffrent .If you can i would like a pic or 2 of it.\r\nGreg Salvatore','',0,0,'gA==','bvm4ib6p',0,0,'u_254','',0),(842,0,35,0,'',1068905405,1,1,1,1,'Sherry','I know Sherry and have talked with her concerning this mess. She has been upright and very professional. This is nothing more than an ego trip for Terry Allen. I have told Sherry that if there is a petition drive that I will try to get TN members to sign.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2lbjd3xc',0,0,'u_35','',0),(857,0,35,0,'',1069020679,1,1,1,1,'mess','Notice Andy is at it again! I am thinking about a petition asking TN members to voice their disapproval as to what has been going. What do you think?','',0,0,'gA==','pio71m19',0,0,'u_35','',0),(858,0,35,0,'',1069020679,1,1,1,1,'mess','Notice Andy is at it again! I am thinking about a petition asking TN members to voice their disapproval as to what has been going. What do you think?','',0,0,'gA==','pio71m19',0,0,'u_35','',0),(861,0,386,0,'',1069045359,1,1,1,1,'TN member','Frank,\r\nI have been a member for several years - have a 66D (as well as other colors).\r\nDuane Larson\r\nKnoxville, TN\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:jdlarson@comcast.net\">jdlarson@comcast.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','166mejsv',0,0,'u_386','',0),(862,0,386,0,'',1069045359,1,1,1,1,'TN member','Frank,\r\nI have been a member for several years - have a 66D (as well as other colors).\r\nDuane Larson\r\nKnoxville, TN\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:jdlarson@comcast.net\">jdlarson@comcast.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','166mejsv',0,0,'u_386','',0),(867,0,366,0,'',1069111448,1,1,1,1,'thn association','Sounds good to me. Are there alot of folks over in Middle and east Tn as well intersted I wonder? I know of about 5 alone from Atwood and a few up around here in Dresden that might be interested also . \r\n\r\n BTW Who is john Tichnor? Not sure of the spelling but he posted on the board under Sherry\'s name. Read one somewhere that she had told them there was not \"relationship\" between her and a candidate for treasurer and then John said he does the billing then posts under her name. \r\n\r\n Personally it doesn\'t make me mad or anything other than wondering how many of her posts I have read that are his. I am just curious.','',0,0,'gA==','2w237auc',0,0,'u_366','',0),(868,0,366,0,'',1069111448,1,1,1,1,'thn association','Sounds good to me. Are there alot of folks over in Middle and east Tn as well intersted I wonder? I know of about 5 alone from Atwood and a few up around here in Dresden that might be interested also . \r\n\r\n BTW Who is john Tichnor? Not sure of the spelling but he posted on the board under Sherry\'s name. Read one somewhere that she had told them there was not \"relationship\" between her and a candidate for treasurer and then John said he does the billing then posts under her name. \r\n\r\n Personally it doesn\'t make me mad or anything other than wondering how many of her posts I have read that are his. I am just curious.','',0,0,'gA==','2w237auc',0,0,'u_366','',0),(869,0,35,0,'',1069118146,1,1,1,1,'Re: TN member','[quote:2ahdiwcg]Frank,\nI have been a member for several years - have a 66D (as well as other colors).\nDuane Larson\nKnoxville, TN\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:jdlarson@comcast.net\">jdlarson@comcast.net</a><!-- e -->[/quote:2ahdiwcg]\r\n\r\nDuane\r\n\r\nI don\'t know if there is enough interest but I would like to test the water to see if there is interest in TN for a chapter. There are several in west TN and I know there are several in middle TN. My relatives sold Olivers in the Columbia area. I don\'t think the Georgia chapter is doing much. Please tell me what you think and if there is someone in east TN that would help mid and west TN get the ball rolling. Thanks \r\nFrank\r\n143 Creekwood\r\nJackson, TN 38305 \r\n731-424-4104','',0,0,'gA==','2ahdiwcg',0,0,'u_35','',0),(870,0,35,0,'',1069118146,1,1,1,1,'Re: TN member','[quote:2ahdiwcg]Frank,\nI have been a member for several years - have a 66D (as well as other colors).\nDuane Larson\nKnoxville, TN\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:jdlarson@comcast.net\">jdlarson@comcast.net</a><!-- e -->[/quote:2ahdiwcg]\r\n\r\nDuane\r\n\r\nI don\'t know if there is enough interest but I would like to test the water to see if there is interest in TN for a chapter. There are several in west TN and I know there are several in middle TN. My relatives sold Olivers in the Columbia area. I don\'t think the Georgia chapter is doing much. Please tell me what you think and if there is someone in east TN that would help mid and west TN get the ball rolling. Thanks \r\nFrank\r\n143 Creekwood\r\nJackson, TN 38305 \r\n731-424-4104','',0,0,'gA==','2ahdiwcg',0,0,'u_35','',0),(872,0,35,0,'',1069118565,1,1,1,1,'Re: thn association','[quote:ho4ycqy4] Sounds good to me. Are there alot of folks over in Middle and east Tn as well intersted I wonder? I know of about 5 alone from Atwood and a few up around here in Dresden that might be interested also . \n\n BTW Who is john Tichnor? Not sure of the spelling but he posted on the board under Sherry\'s name. Read one somewhere that she had told them there was not \"relationship\" between her and a candidate for treasurer and then John said he does the billing then posts under her name. \n\n Personally it doesn\'t make me mad or anything other than wondering how many of her posts I have read that are his. I am just curious.  [/quote:ho4ycqy4]\r\n\r\nI don\'t know who this fellow is either I sure hope it doesn\'t destroy HPOCA. I was wondering about the feasibility of starting a TN chapter and I guess just testing the water. If there is interest I sure would like to get it going so Mr. Moody Richardson could see it. I have received one email from Knoxville and they seem interested. Moody had a great idea that somehow we incorporate the national show with Milan No Till Day. Let me know what you think and if you are willing to help.\r\nThanks\r\nFrank Dodson\r\n143 Creekwood\r\nJackson,TN 38305\r\n731-424-4104','',0,0,'gA==','ho4ycqy4',0,0,'u_35','',0),(876,0,26,0,'',1069122216,1,1,1,1,'Re: magazine','Myron,\r\nThere were no bios sent to me by the board and since it was obvious that they were out to rig the election anyway, I didn\'t bother pursuing it on my own.  I figured \"what\'s the point\".  Now I REALLY feel like that.\r\n\r\nThanks for your support.  It makes this time a little easier.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','hfjyebk5',0,0,'u_26','',0),(878,0,26,0,'',1069122331,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Bob,\r\nI left town for a few days and I\'m in Northern Iowa herding cattle by horseback.  Gives me a little thinkin\' time.  Hope to be back home next Friday.  Just using an Oliver friend\'s computer to check my e-mail real quick.  I\'m not even bothering to look at the forum.  Don\'t want to get frustrated again.  \r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','2eqce6us',0,0,'u_26','',0),(883,0,312,0,'',1069165666,1,1,1,1,'Re: 18-27','Hi John,\r\n\r\nI\'ll have to look up my serial number at home, I think it starts with 123, but I could be wrong.  I know it\'s a 1935 model year.  I guess what I would be most interested in is something that shows the correct magneto (or suitable substitutions), and anything that has the torque specs for the head bolts, etc.  I hope to pull the pistons tonight and measure the rings so I can order new ones then start from there.  I usually order my parts from Maibachs, do you know of another source that might be better?  Thanks for you help, I hope to be plowing with it this spring <!-- s:-) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":-)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:-) -->\r\n\r\nEnjoy, Joe','',0,0,'gA==','3ducykzp',0,0,'u_312','',0),(884,0,312,0,'',1069165666,1,1,1,1,'Re: 18-27','Hi John,\r\n\r\nI\'ll have to look up my serial number at home, I think it starts with 123, but I could be wrong.  I know it\'s a 1935 model year.  I guess what I would be most interested in is something that shows the correct magneto (or suitable substitutions), and anything that has the torque specs for the head bolts, etc.  I hope to pull the pistons tonight and measure the rings so I can order new ones then start from there.  I usually order my parts from Maibachs, do you know of another source that might be better?  Thanks for you help, I hope to be plowing with it this spring <!-- s:-) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":-)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:-) -->\r\n\r\nEnjoy, Joe','',0,0,'gA==','3ducykzp',0,0,'u_312','',0),(885,0,331,0,'',1069196646,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 80','Hi, just wondering if you might know where an Oliver 80 RC could be found for sale','',0,0,'gA==','2rizroet',0,0,'u_331','',0),(886,0,331,0,'',1069196646,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 80','Hi, just wondering if you might know where an Oliver 80 RC could be found for sale','',0,0,'gA==','2rizroet',0,0,'u_331','',0),(887,0,40,0,'',1069247418,1,1,1,1,'Member','Chris:\r\n\r\nAfter reading your post on members I went back and checked out the login registration procedure.  You are right but I think you should clarify the term \"member\" on the website.  \r\n\r\nI\'ll admit that I always thought to register you had to be a HPOCA member, but of course that is not true.  I think instead of just using the term \"member\" on the web you should change it to something else.  I would suggest  \"Website Member.  That way old farm boys like myslef would maybe get a clue that it was not only HPOCA members that could register on the website.  I agree it should not be limited to HPOCA members only, but until your post, I always thought that the posts were being submitted by HPOCA members.','',0,0,'gA==','3tephqbi',0,0,'u_40','',0),(889,0,40,0,'',1069248498,1,1,1,1,'ByLaws Committee','Andy:\r\n\r\nThanks for the U2U response.  I hope you get more input from the members than you have to date on the web.  I thought maybe my post on the web would get others to write in.  As you have indicated member input is always needed for an organization like HPOCA.\r\n\r\nI read what you said about Sherry, but she better have done something really on the edge at that board meeting to warrant all the \"stirring of the pot\" that has been created.  Basically I liked the magazine.  I thought she had done a good job of improving it over the years.  Anyone that read my copy that was not a member always was impressed by the quality and information in it.  I hope these new guys don\'t get too carried away with HPOCA stuff instead of historical stuff and information as to what indiviual members are doing.\r\n\r\nYou talk about your trucking business and relationships with your customers.  but I\'d bet they don\'t tell you how many straps to use, which route to take, where to buy fuel etc.  In other words the \"nitty gritty\" of trucking is left up to you.  I think the same should be true of the magazine editor.  What I\'m saying is that Sherry better have been doing something with the magazine that really hurt the club instead of stepping on the toes of the directors.  Whether they admit it or not the directors should know we had a good/great magazine and when all was said and done that was what Sherry was hired to do.\r\n\r\nThanks for listening.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,0,'gA==','205bidkt',0,0,'u_40','',0),(893,0,40,0,'',1069285345,1,1,1,1,'Re: ByLaws Committee','Andy:\r\n\r\nBeing a relativley  new member I did not know anything about previous problems like the ones you mentioned.  I must admit I wondered what the deal was with Mary Ann since she was great to work with when my brothers and I needed manuals from the muesuem.  She always seemed to have a big interest in the HPOCA in addition to her job at the muesuem.\r\n\r\nAs to whether or not Sherry should have been allowed to attend the exec session of the board I would agree she did not need to be there if they were going to talk other business, but if they were only meeting to discuss her employment I think it would have been the thing to do to have her there.  I guess she wasw there during the regular board meeting, so I would think that she would have been able to stick around for the exec board meeting.  I take your point about her wanting to fire Don Barnett when he was not at the board meeting.  However, the board did not have to sink to that the level.  They could have taken the high road and invited her to the meeting.  I really think they should have tried to tell her in person when the decision was madt to let her go.  That would probably have avoided most of the uproar  in the ranks of the members. \r\n\r\nI\'ll admit I don\'t know anything about her contract.  But were you saying that she was being paid as a fulltime (40 hour a week) employee to edit and publish the magazine.  I just figured she was paid so much to publish the magazine and that she would have to work as necessary to do the job. If she could get it done in 3 days more power to her.  If it took 60 days so be it.  Just publish the magazine on time.\r\n\r\nThis has been interesting to watch and comment on.  I can\'t imagine how much  of a commotion the muesuem in the old Oliver plant would have caused.\r\n\r\nCatch you on the flip side.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:ljdfmdvu]You know Bill, those are some of the very same arguements I made the month prior to Penfield, in attempting to get her contract renewed. I didn\'t get her contract renewed, they accepted her version of a contract, which I thought was remarkable considering the environment we were working under. I did go to great pains to get this done, then she can\'t maintain the continuity of the situation, that is really insulting to me, it would had been so easy, as I did put my credibility on the line. But, it is just an issue, and that is the way I must look at it, otherwise I might hurt other members, as well as drive myself insane, if I am not already there. One thing I think really hurt her was when she told the members she would not take care of the booth in Louisville anymore because she didn\'t have the time. This was a provision made in the original agreement, and at that time she would do just about anything to get a full time contract. The board has been hearing her say \'I don\'t have the time\' too much lately. Now, we know how much time it took to put out the magazine, and that dog don\'t hunt. When she was part time it would take her 3 full days. The board has provided her with state of the art desktop publishing hardware and software, everything she asked for. This both reduced the time, and cost needed, as well as improved the quality. Granted the magazine improved, but most of the time factor was offset by technology. I guess the board gave her all the free time they could, now she can do whatever she wants with the time she was being payed for, she just doesn\'t get payed, now she has the time. Anyhow, what my greatest selling point was to get her a new contract is, we know from data available that only about 15% of the membership will attend 1 event or more, let\'s account for any possible error and say 20%. That leaves 80% that are only members to get a magazine. Since they are happy, why change. This dog did hunt for a while, she should had fed the dog a little better though. Because after the termination I was confronted with the reverse of the issue, which was impossible to deny. This arguement is as follows; If 80% are members only to get a magazine, then they are just buying a product, who produces the product has little bearing on the situation, so long as they are satisfied with the product, and how many subscriptions do I take where I know the editor. I guess that dog does hunt, because the only magazines I get that I know the editor is HPOC, and Antique Power, the rest I don\'t know, and frankly I don\'t care, just as long as I get what I pay for. I think this thing will eventually go away, we have had bigger problems in the past, and they went away. I wonder how many of the people complaining about the boards decision now, were complaining about the magazine being 3 issues behind, that was 3 or 4 years ago, back before we had a website, and before Sherry was terminated by Kurt Aumann. It would be interesting to know, and it would be interesting to know what problem Kurt had with her, as they are very good friends. Another issue that I feel is interesting, some folk feel she should had been allowed to come to the exec session to defend herself, I find it amusing that when Don Barnett was webmaster, and couldn\'t be present at a board meeting it was Sherry who brought up the subject of firing Don, when he wasn\'t there to defend himself, and pushed the issue until a committee was formed, Don was not made chair, but just a member. He resigned, and dropped out of the association. Granted, he wasn\'t taking care of the website, it was junk, but she should had brought up the subject in his presence. By the way, I heard Don just sent in his dues. There is a history of this sort of thing. Mary Ann Townsend was pushed into resigning in a similar way, and Mary Ann never did anything but good for the association, and the members. You can still call the Floyd County Museum, and ask for her, tell her you are a member, and she will still go out of her way to help you research Charles City records. Of course I wish all this hadn\'t happened, I wish it wasn\'t necessary, just like the bylaws, I wish we had no need for them, but it did, and we do. So, I guess it is just something else to deal with. [/quote:ljdfmdvu]','',0,0,'gA==','ljdfmdvu',0,0,'u_40','',0),(901,0,386,0,'',1069290631,1,1,1,1,'Re: TN member','Frank,\r\nI\'m not familiar with the U2U method of communication, so didn\'t see your message till today, and hope this reply works.  There are some other Oliver collectors in the ET area who are more serious than I am, but I\'m not sure if they are members or not.  Donnie Anderson from Morristown comes to mind, and Harold Bashore from Knoxville.  I am involved in other colors, and would not be the one to do the organizing.  But I likely would become a member of a Tennessee group.  \r\n\r\nThe IH Collectors have a state-wide organization and are challenged to keep the interest ball in the air in all parts of TN.  They are an active group, with some 100 TN members as I recall.  Their president is David Qualls from Cookeville and he might have some suggestions re starting/maintaining such an organization.  I can find his phone/email if you are interested.\r\n\r\nToo bad about the current state of affairs in HPOCA!  I was considering taking in the winter convention, but have decided not to.  I know John Tichenor (bought a lot of literature from his Dad, Bill) and Kurt Aumann - wonder what Kurt thinks about all this.  I enjoyed the magazine under Sherry\'s leadership and I wonder what aspects the board wishes to improve.  The new editor sure has a load of baggage on him by this mess - too bad.\r\n\r\nHope this helps-\r\nDuane Larson\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:2o1qb54m][quote:2o1qb54m]Frank,\nI have been a member for several years - have a 66D (as well as other colors).\nDuane Larson\nKnoxville, TN\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:jdlarson@comcast.net\">jdlarson@comcast.net</a><!-- e -->[/quote:2o1qb54m]\n\nDuane\n\nI don\'t know if there is enough interest but I would like to test the water to see if there is interest in TN for a chapter. There are several in west TN and I know there are several in middle TN. My relatives sold Olivers in the Columbia area. I don\'t think the Georgia chapter is doing much. Please tell me what you think and if there is someone in east TN that would help mid and west TN get the ball rolling. Thanks \nFrank\n143 Creekwood\nJackson, TN 38305 \n731-424-4104[/quote:2o1qb54m]','',0,0,'gA==','2o1qb54m',0,0,'u_386','',0),(902,0,386,0,'',1069290631,1,1,1,1,'Re: TN member','Frank,\r\nI\'m not familiar with the U2U method of communication, so didn\'t see your message till today, and hope this reply works.  There are some other Oliver collectors in the ET area who are more serious than I am, but I\'m not sure if they are members or not.  Donnie Anderson from Morristown comes to mind, and Harold Bashore from Knoxville.  I am involved in other colors, and would not be the one to do the organizing.  But I likely would become a member of a Tennessee group.  \r\n\r\nThe IH Collectors have a state-wide organization and are challenged to keep the interest ball in the air in all parts of TN.  They are an active group, with some 100 TN members as I recall.  Their president is David Qualls from Cookeville and he might have some suggestions re starting/maintaining such an organization.  I can find his phone/email if you are interested.\r\n\r\nToo bad about the current state of affairs in HPOCA!  I was considering taking in the winter convention, but have decided not to.  I know John Tichenor (bought a lot of literature from his Dad, Bill) and Kurt Aumann - wonder what Kurt thinks about all this.  I enjoyed the magazine under Sherry\'s leadership and I wonder what aspects the board wishes to improve.  The new editor sure has a load of baggage on him by this mess - too bad.\r\n\r\nHope this helps-\r\nDuane Larson\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:2o1qb54m][quote:2o1qb54m]Frank,\nI have been a member for several years - have a 66D (as well as other colors).\nDuane Larson\nKnoxville, TN\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:jdlarson@comcast.net\">jdlarson@comcast.net</a><!-- e -->[/quote:2o1qb54m]\n\nDuane\n\nI don\'t know if there is enough interest but I would like to test the water to see if there is interest in TN for a chapter. There are several in west TN and I know there are several in middle TN. My relatives sold Olivers in the Columbia area. I don\'t think the Georgia chapter is doing much. Please tell me what you think and if there is someone in east TN that would help mid and west TN get the ball rolling. Thanks \nFrank\n143 Creekwood\nJackson, TN 38305 \n731-424-4104[/quote:2o1qb54m]','',0,0,'gA==','2o1qb54m',0,0,'u_386','',0),(909,0,312,0,'',1069440364,1,1,1,1,'Re: 18-27','Thanks John,\r\n\r\nI need both rings and gaskets.  Let me know what you have, I\'ve got everything tore apart right now and hope to start putting it back together sometime before Christmas so I\'m in no hurry.  Other than that, I\'m looking for a left side turning brake rod, a non-broken crank holder for the front (might be difficult), an exhaust manifold (I\'ll probably buy an aftermarket one) and something else that I can\'t think of right now..I have all the other major parts. \r\n\r\nEnjoy, Joe','',0,0,'gA==','3hfwvjvy',0,0,'u_312','',0),(910,0,312,0,'',1069440364,1,1,1,1,'Re: 18-27','Thanks John,\r\n\r\nI need both rings and gaskets.  Let me know what you have, I\'ve got everything tore apart right now and hope to start putting it back together sometime before Christmas so I\'m in no hurry.  Other than that, I\'m looking for a left side turning brake rod, a non-broken crank holder for the front (might be difficult), an exhaust manifold (I\'ll probably buy an aftermarket one) and something else that I can\'t think of right now..I have all the other major parts. \r\n\r\nEnjoy, Joe','',0,0,'gA==','3hfwvjvy',0,0,'u_312','',0),(913,0,35,0,'',1069474416,1,1,1,1,'Re: Thanks','[quote:2tb4jmws]Hey Frank,\nI just thought a note of appreciation is in order for the way you conduct your discussions. I very much appreciate the way you refrain from making issues personal. Though we may or may not agree, you support or attack the issues, not the people. This is commendable.\n\nAndy\nI appreciate your remarks I feel as you that we can have heated disagreements and still be civil and friends. I hope this forum continues and doesn\'t deteriorate like some of the posts on YT especially by individuals that aren\'t members of HPOCA and don\'t have a dog in the fight. The main objective is to keep HPOCA active and healthy.\nThanks,\nFrank\n\nAndy[/quote:2tb4jmws]','',0,0,'gA==','2tb4jmws',0,0,'u_35','',0),(914,0,35,0,'',1069474416,1,1,1,1,'Re: Thanks','[quote:2tb4jmws]Hey Frank,\nI just thought a note of appreciation is in order for the way you conduct your discussions. I very much appreciate the way you refrain from making issues personal. Though we may or may not agree, you support or attack the issues, not the people. This is commendable.\n\nAndy\nI appreciate your remarks I feel as you that we can have heated disagreements and still be civil and friends. I hope this forum continues and doesn\'t deteriorate like some of the posts on YT especially by individuals that aren\'t members of HPOCA and don\'t have a dog in the fight. The main objective is to keep HPOCA active and healthy.\nThanks,\nFrank\n\nAndy[/quote:2tb4jmws]','',0,0,'gA==','2tb4jmws',0,0,'u_35','',0),(928,0,7,0,'',1069706312,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver club mess','Thanks Kieth, I was concerned for a while about I&amp;I getting drug into the fracas, but I think that is past now. I too have not commented, but I know some details that most others do not and I believe it is up to Terry and the board, and Sherry if she chooses, to make the information dealing with the personnel matters public.\r\n\r\nI do find it interesting that most of the people posting have never been heard from before now. It is also intersting that Sherry isn\'t saying anthing right now. I have talked to Terry recently and Sherry in September, I know that there were some pretty serious problems between the board and Sherry involving the conduct of club business. Good luck and thanks for thinking of us. John[quote:18zl8cla]I hope this mess that is taking place with the oliver club now doesn\'t mess up your club.   You had a great show and grounds.  Keeep up the good work,  I know it takes a lot of time and money.  I  have stayed out of the rguements about the problems and hope that they soon get worked out.  you probably won;t see me posting much till this is settled.  Although I have opinions,  I don\'t really have a lot of facts that will do anything to settle the mess so I think it is best to shut up.  \n\nGood luck with your I&amp;I club.  Hope I get another chance to visit.  I really enjoyed showing the mill and tractor there and hope iothers liked seeing it.\n\nGood luck\nKeith[/quote:18zl8cla]','',0,0,'gA==','18zl8cla',0,0,'u_7','',0),(936,0,26,0,'',1069731167,1,1,1,1,'Gag order','Thanks for sticking up for me. I can honestly say that I have done nothing wrong.  Yes, they are chickens.  They are so chicken that they snuck down here to Nokomis last week when they knew that I was out of town, and they emptied out my storage unit which housed all of the excess back issues.  They had indicated that they would be down here next weekend to do that, so I was going to take the rest of the HPOCA items up there.  When I went to the storage unit on Saturday, it was completely empty.  The storage unit was in their name and I had given Terry a key last year in the event that anything should happen to me.  Them sneaking down last week just showed their backbone.  Aside from at the board meetings, none of the opposing board members have made any attempt to talk to me since last January when No. 3 arrived in Greenville.  \r\n\r\nAs for the gag order, technically that\'s not what it is, but they won\'t let me have my severance pay until next year.  I consider that to be silence money.  When you fire someone or terminate their contract, you give them their check when you\'re giving them the boot out the door.  These guys are totally unpredictable right now and I don\'t trust them one bit.  Anything I say is only going to put the blame in their direction and I\'m afraid they\'ll refuse me my severance pay.  My lawyer can\'t see my until next Tuesday and I\'ll be advised from that point on.\r\n\r\nThank God I\'m innocent and can sleep at night.  Hope they can.\r\nThanks again for your support.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','2lg9kisi',0,0,'u_26','',0),(940,0,26,0,'',1069812176,1,1,1,1,'Ed','There is an insurance policy that was purchased from one of the board member\'s daughters at the March meeting.  I was in the meeting and the way it was described, it would only protect the board members.  I just visited with another board member and asked if that was his understanding too and he said yes.  I do not have a copy of the policy, nor does that board member.  But I don\'t believe Terry has his information straight.  But what\'s new?  I would ask to see the policy if I were a member and it supposedly covered me.  I can\'t give you an accurate cost on that policy because there were several numbers thrown out, but I thought it was around $4400.  At the time I remember thinking \"that\'s not right.\"  I looked at the minutes and there is a vague paragraph about buying insurance, but it\'s as clear as mud.  \r\n\r\nIf you or anyone else have ANY questions, please feel free to e-mail or call.  I have NOTHING to hide.  I\'m not saying anything because I\'m waiting for my attorney to get back in town, and if I do say something, I\'m afraid they\'ll refuse me my severance pay which they\'re holding until next year.  If that happens, I\'ll end up having to sell my farm.\r\n\r\nThanks for your support in this mess.  I would do anything for the membership, but the board....that\'s a different story right now.  Their dasterdly deads will come out soon enough.  That\'s probably another reason they won\'t actually say anything.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','8lbk1ob9',0,0,'u_26','',0),(947,0,40,0,'',1069907539,1,1,1,1,'Re:Links','Chris:\r\n\r\nUnder the \"LINKS\" button you still have \"oliverinformation\" listed as the website of the editor of the HPOCA magazine.  I\'d recommend you change the wording, but please leave the website there.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,0,'gA==','2xgdzndi',0,0,'u_40','',0),(950,0,372,0,'',1069975579,1,1,1,1,'Re: U2U','Jim,\r\n   I appreciate your correspondence.  I don\'t know Terry and I met Sherry once at a public fuction for 10 seconds.  I have no Sherry ax to grind.  That said, someone getting the bums rush over what looks to be misunderstandings (Terry did say that Sherry was not fired over the letter or the No3 restoration).  The way this was handled and the lack of information on the reasons really bothers me because it has taken the fun out of something that I enjoy.\r\nIt is my opinion that the club is in serious trouble when we can\'t talk to one another.  \r\n   On the forum I made a suggestion that the Board promptly send out a letter explaining its actions.  Perhaps you could find out if Terry will consider a letter and get back to me.  My bias seems to favor Sherry in all this because it looks to me that the Board was unhappy over things that have nothing to do with her job and fired her more or less for spite.\r\n   I don\'t know if Terry has any control over Andy\'s posts, but I can tell you that he is not helping the Board or club unity.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','cxl12dq5',0,0,'u_372','',0),(955,0,360,0,'',1070073004,1,1,1,1,'Re: Gag order','Sherry I just think that this is wrong and am very upset about this. I assume that landis was the one that voted for you as that is what I have assertained from this web sight. I talked to landis at the auction in the spring and he told me and my dad that we should tell people on the board that  they should if we appriciate the work that you were doing that we should let them know because they had people on the board that were unhappy and didn\'t believe that this could be. I will continue to post and fight for you and since I live in berlin pa will be at the winter meeting if can get off of work. This is wrong and will get it done this was so cowardly that it stinks. You can email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:edfrazi@pennswoods.net\">edfrazi@pennswoods.net</a><!-- e -->. will continue to fight this and will leave them a good post on here tommorrow. fighting for you Eric\r\n\r\n[quote:3uti58gt]Thanks for sticking up for me. I can honestly say that I have done nothing wrong.  Yes, they are chickens.  They are so chicken that they snuck down here to Nokomis last week when they knew that I was out of town, and they emptied out my storage unit which housed all of the excess back issues.  They had indicated that they would be down here next weekend to do that, so I was going to take the rest of the HPOCA items up there.  When I went to the storage unit on Saturday, it was completely empty.  The storage unit was in their name and I had given Terry a key last year in the event that anything should happen to me.  Them sneaking down last week just showed their backbone.  Aside from at the board meetings, none of the opposing board members have made any attempt to talk to me since last January when No. 3 arrived in Greenville.  \n\nAs for the gag order, technically that\'s not what it is, but they won\'t let me have my severance pay until next year.  I consider that to be silence money.  When you fire someone or terminate their contract, you give them their check when you\'re giving them the boot out the door.  These guys are totally unpredictable right now and I don\'t trust them one bit.  Anything I say is only going to put the blame in their direction and I\'m afraid they\'ll refuse me my severance pay.  My lawyer can\'t see my until next Tuesday and I\'ll be advised from that point on.\n\nThank God I\'m innocent and can sleep at night.  Hope they can.\nThanks again for your support.\nSherry  [/quote:3uti58gt]','',0,0,'gA==','3uti58gt',0,0,'u_360','',0),(957,0,360,0,'',1070073448,1,1,1,1,'PS to last message','Sherry will not post anything on here that you tell me just for got to tell you that don\'t trust them. I also have some question for you on the use of the oliver logo\'s and if we are allowed to put them on shirts to sell not sure what is trademarked and what is not.','',0,0,'gA==','36lcouv6',0,0,'u_360','',0),(959,0,35,0,'',1070077967,1,1,1,1,'note','Lug\r\n\r\nI haven\'t heard from you in several days hope everything is ok.','',0,0,'gA==','aucx6jp8',0,0,'u_35','',0),(960,0,35,0,'',1070077967,1,1,1,1,'note','Lug\r\n\r\nI haven\'t heard from you in several days hope everything is ok.','',0,0,'gA==','aucx6jp8',0,0,'u_35','',0),(962,0,372,0,'',1070124921,1,1,1,1,'Auction','The inlaws are here for Thanksgiving.  Lots of left over turkey but no auctions for me. I\'d appreciate knowing Terry\'s intentions on a letter to the membership explaining the Board\'s side of the controversy.  \r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','2zopgubr',0,0,'u_372','',0),(967,0,372,0,'',1070161054,1,1,1,1,'','As a fellow critic of firing Sherry and no communication from the Board, I wonder if you too have gotten unsolicited U2U\'s from Terry\'s friend \"oleblu\"','',0,0,'gA==','1s88kjm4',0,0,'u_372','',0),(968,0,372,0,'',1070161054,1,1,1,1,'','As a fellow critic of firing Sherry and no communication from the Board, I wonder if you too have gotten unsolicited U2U\'s from Terry\'s friend \"oleblu\"','',0,0,'gA==','1s88kjm4',0,0,'u_372','',0),(970,0,372,0,'',1070161291,1,1,1,1,'','As someone like you who has been critical of the Board\'s lack of information on Sherry\'s firing,  I was wondering if you too have received unsolicited U2U\'s from Terry\'s friend \"oleblu\".  Please let me know if you have.','',0,0,'gA==','3qwfu48f',0,0,'u_372','',0),(973,0,406,0,'',1070163365,1,1,1,1,'Cockshutt 560','John, you have a question for me???\r\nspike\r\n\r\nps: not too sure how this U2U thing works,\r\nmy email address is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:spikemarlin@hotmail.com\">spikemarlin@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','v7v3l1it',0,0,'u_406','',0),(974,0,406,0,'',1070163365,1,1,1,1,'Cockshutt 560','John, you have a question for me???\r\nspike\r\n\r\nps: not too sure how this U2U thing works,\r\nmy email address is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:spikemarlin@hotmail.com\">spikemarlin@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','v7v3l1it',0,0,'u_406','',0),(975,0,105,0,'',1070166600,1,1,1,1,'Re: note','Hey Frank, \r\nI am here, but I have had a lot on my plate lately.  My father in law had double bypass open heart surgery tuesday of last week, then the holiday, and I have been trying to get used to working day shifts, instead of the midnights I had been doing for the last two years.  So to say the least I have been a little busy.  But everything is good now.  The only problem is....everytime I come here to get cheered up with some good green info, I see nothing new but mean and useless posts about a subject I dont care to hear about anymore.  It is kind of depressing.  So I dont post that often.  Hopefully this stuff will go away soon, but I dont know if that is possible or not.  \r\nSorry to unload on you.  I hope you had a great holiday.\r\nIan','',0,0,'gA==','1k4syjo1',0,0,'u_105','',0),(976,0,105,0,'',1070166600,1,1,1,1,'Re: note','Hey Frank, \r\nI am here, but I have had a lot on my plate lately.  My father in law had double bypass open heart surgery tuesday of last week, then the holiday, and I have been trying to get used to working day shifts, instead of the midnights I had been doing for the last two years.  So to say the least I have been a little busy.  But everything is good now.  The only problem is....everytime I come here to get cheered up with some good green info, I see nothing new but mean and useless posts about a subject I dont care to hear about anymore.  It is kind of depressing.  So I dont post that often.  Hopefully this stuff will go away soon, but I dont know if that is possible or not.  \r\nSorry to unload on you.  I hope you had a great holiday.\r\nIan','',0,0,'gA==','1k4syjo1',0,0,'u_105','',0),(981,0,372,0,'',1070211009,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','[quote:30n67c1e][quote:30n67c1e]As a fellow critic of firing Sherry and no communication from the Board, I wonder if you too have gotten unsolicited U2U\'s from Terry\'s friend \"oleblu\"[/quote:30n67c1e]\n\nHi...no I haven\'t had the pleasure of receiving any to date.Any idea who this guy is?? Must be another member of the inner circle!!! They would stop 95% of this if they would only allow the remaining members to know what the problem is/was...heck....it might even change my outlook....but again I don\'t think the problem is in Nokomis...Let me know...Ed[/quote:30n67c1e]\r\n\r\nThanks Ed.\r\n  This guy looks like a stalking horse to me.  He says things like Sherry was fired over frustrations related to No3 which contradicts Terry.  I just wanted to find out if this was a systematic thing.  We might as well get used to the idea that we are not going to get any real info anytime soon.  There is a local antique iron club that I think that I will become active in.  For me the HPOCA just isn\'t fun any more.\r\n  John','',0,0,'gA==','30n67c1e',0,0,'u_372','',0),(982,0,372,0,'',1070211009,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','[quote:30n67c1e][quote:30n67c1e]As a fellow critic of firing Sherry and no communication from the Board, I wonder if you too have gotten unsolicited U2U\'s from Terry\'s friend \"oleblu\"[/quote:30n67c1e]\n\nHi...no I haven\'t had the pleasure of receiving any to date.Any idea who this guy is?? Must be another member of the inner circle!!! They would stop 95% of this if they would only allow the remaining members to know what the problem is/was...heck....it might even change my outlook....but again I don\'t think the problem is in Nokomis...Let me know...Ed[/quote:30n67c1e]\r\n\r\nThanks Ed.\r\n  This guy looks like a stalking horse to me.  He says things like Sherry was fired over frustrations related to No3 which contradicts Terry.  I just wanted to find out if this was a systematic thing.  We might as well get used to the idea that we are not going to get any real info anytime soon.  There is a local antique iron club that I think that I will become active in.  For me the HPOCA just isn\'t fun any more.\r\n  John','',0,0,'gA==','30n67c1e',0,0,'u_372','',0),(984,0,372,0,'',1070211098,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','[quote:2j2hrna5][quote:2j2hrna5]As someone like you who has been critical of the Board\'s lack of information on Sherry\'s firing,  I was wondering if you too have received unsolicited U2U\'s from Terry\'s friend \"oleblu\".  Please let me know if you have.[/quote:2j2hrna5]\n\nNo, I have not received any messages from oleblu. Will let you know if I do,,,,,Doug[/quote:2j2hrna5]\r\n\r\nThanks Doug.','',0,0,'gA==','2j2hrna5',0,0,'u_372','',0),(987,0,40,0,'',1070228965,1,1,1,1,'Re: ByLaws Committee','Andy:\r\n\r\nThe reason I asked you to send  me a U2U was the by-laws rewrite.\r\n\r\nI don\'t know if you have all the help you need, but if you don\'t I would be willing to help out where I can.  Just let me know.\r\n\r\nLooks like my U2U is working now.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:3567jzg5]Hey Bill,\nI am reviewing past messages in order to get to work on the bylaws and noticed I didn\'t address something on one of your messages. Some of my customers do have specific load securement requirements, some do specify the number and size of straps, chains, and devices to protect their product from damage that can be caused by these devices. One even specifies the manufacturer, size, type and model. Of course that customer stocks that specific equipment and sells it to me. But, their price is considerably less than normal suppliers. If you have issues concerning bylaws, let me know, as that will be getting the lion\'s share of my free time until I can get past this committee report.[/quote:3567jzg5]','',0,0,'gA==','3567jzg5',0,0,'u_40','',0),(997,0,35,0,'',1070254137,1,1,1,1,'Re: Bylaws','[quote:2gwoiwrn]Hey Frank,\nI was just on U2U with Bill Brandt, he was wanting to help out with the committee, and I thought of you. Would you wish to be an alternate for the committee in case a member can\'t participate, or drops out? I was thinking it to be wise to have alternates, because I don\'t want the committee any smaller than the 6 members I now have.[/quote:2gwoiwrn]\r\n\r\nYes I am willing to be an alternate.','',0,0,'gA==','2gwoiwrn',0,0,'u_35','',0),(998,0,35,0,'',1070254137,1,1,1,1,'Re: Bylaws','[quote:2gwoiwrn]Hey Frank,\nI was just on U2U with Bill Brandt, he was wanting to help out with the committee, and I thought of you. Would you wish to be an alternate for the committee in case a member can\'t participate, or drops out? I was thinking it to be wise to have alternates, because I don\'t want the committee any smaller than the 6 members I now have.[/quote:2gwoiwrn]\r\n\r\nYes I am willing to be an alternate.','',0,0,'gA==','2gwoiwrn',0,0,'u_35','',0),(999,0,40,0,'',1070286470,1,1,1,1,'Re: ByLaws Committee','Andy:\r\n\r\nBeing an alternate is fine by me. \r\n\r\nI will give the by-laws an in depth read and talk to my brothers about them.  Will provide any input we can come up with.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:tmlcoxpm]Hey Bill,\nEverybody in HPOCA can use help. Currently the committee is set, and recorded in the minutes, as required by Robert\'s, that was done Nov. 8 before all this circus started, but if someone wishes to quit I most certainly would need a replacement. What I need most right now is member input, what I need least is more of that darned controversy, so I am not even going to think about opening those forums. I did state my case, and these bylaws are more important to me, and I hope the members of HPOCA than all that bickering. I believe had the bylaws had some hard and fast rules in place concerning termination procedure, this controversy would not happened. But, we never did need them before, like many recent events, no procedure has been necessary before. I guess I\'ll have to cover several bases. I most certainly can use good suggestions, from you or any member. I think Frank Dodson has the right idea, just don\'t deal with the forums since they have ceased to be functional. I think well of Frank, he is a friend of mine, but we disagree alot, don\'t make any difference, he is still pretty smart, and a good guy. If you want to volunteer to help me, see if you can get some members to give me some input to take to the committee. Perhaps, I could talk to Frank, and put you and him on as alternates.\nThanks, Andy[quote:tmlcoxpm]Andy:\n\nThe reason I asked you to send  me a U2U was the by-laws rewrite.\n\nI don\'t know if you have all the help you need, but if you don\'t I would be willing to help out where I can.  Just let me know.\n\nLooks like my U2U is working now.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n[quote:tmlcoxpm]Hey Bill,\nI am reviewing past messages in order to get to work on the bylaws and noticed I didn\'t address something on one of your messages. Some of my customers do have specific load securement requirements, some do specify the number and size of straps, chains, and devices to protect their product from damage that can be caused by these devices. One even specifies the manufacturer, size, type and model. Of course that customer stocks that specific equipment and sells it to me. But, their price is considerably less than normal suppliers. If you have issues concerning bylaws, let me know, as that will be getting the lion\'s share of my free time until I can get past this committee report.[/quote:tmlcoxpm][/quote:tmlcoxpm][/quote:tmlcoxpm]','',0,0,'gA==','tmlcoxpm',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1006,0,26,0,'',1070337303,1,1,1,1,'Re: terry\\\'s new post','Ed,\r\nI don\'t know about Terry\'s explanation.  If I understood him wrong, then so did Landis.  Our vague mintes read \"Debbie King reported on insurance and answered questions about insuarnce coverage for 2 shows and board meetings.  Jim Muhs made a motion to have $2,000,000 and medical payments of $100,000 coverage. Seconded by Larry Gay.  Passed\"\r\n\r\nAccording to the financial report dated 1/1/03 thru 7/8/03, there was a payment made for insurance for $3221.   In the 10/31/03 financial report, it shows $4451 being paid out for insurance.  Don\'t have a clue where that extra $1200 went.  I\'d want to see a policy before I believed anything Terry Allen says at this point.  \r\n\r\nI heard a good quote from an old timer last week.  He said \"If a man\'s word is no good, then his name on a piece of paper isn\'t either.\"  Boy do I know what he means now.\r\n\r\nAs for the intertwining, Andy just doesn\'t have anyone to talk to at home and this is the only place he can get a response.  As long as he\'s sticking up for Terry, he has an additional 8 friends.  I\'m not sure, but I think 98dba is Terry Allen\'s son.  His boy would have graduated about 1998 and his last initial would be Allen.  Just a guess though.  John (C-IL) is Terry\'s \"good old boy\" buddy who also happens to be the Vice-President of I&amp;I.  His word is about as good as Terry\'s.  John doesn\'t like the I&amp;I board members, so he\'s teamed up with Terry because he knows Terry doesn\'t like them either.  The I&amp;I club can\'t wait for John\'s term to expire.  Yieldmap is Bill Meeker\'s son and of course Bill is on the board.  \r\n\r\nI\'m seeing my lawyer tomorrow morning.  Today the new editor informed me that I WOULD be allowed to say goodbye in the magazine \"if it\'s done in good taste\" and of course Terry will have to approve it.  BUT the deadline was today and that letter will require a little extra effort since this is the last time I\'ll have my name in the magazine.  I think they timed that on purpose.  I\'ll know more about what I can and can\'t do tomorrow.\r\n\r\nAt this time, I\'m still planning on going to Lancaster (if my job at that time will allow it).  Landis deserves our support as he has already put a lot of work into it already.  And if ever there was a time for a large group of members to get together, it\'s now.  We need a massive number of members to show the board how we feel.  So I\'ll be there and I\'m sure I\'ll need a beer or two by then.  Look me up.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','3rpa9bsu',0,0,'u_26','',0),(1011,0,40,0,'',1070372970,1,1,1,1,'Re: ByLaws Committee','Andy:\r\n\r\nWill let you know when I can access the special forum, I guess that must be the  \"fuzzy\" button that has been showing up on the home page when I get on the website.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:358qoe7z]I will get you and Frank Dodson set up as alternates. You will be able to bring issues forward and debate the merits of issues on our special forum, beside the bylaws forum, on our website. You will not be able to see this forum until you are set up, it is designed for the committee to be able to work without outside interferance. I want you to send a message on this forum when you see it appear, as a communication check. Only committee members will be able to vote on issues, something like I have to do at board meeting. In the event a committee member can not participate, I will expect an alternate to fill in for the member.[quote:358qoe7z]Andy:\n\nBeing an alternate is fine by me. \n\nI will give the by-laws an in depth read and talk to my brothers about them.  Will provide any input we can come up with.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n[quote:358qoe7z]Hey Bill,\nEverybody in HPOCA can use help. Currently the committee is set, and recorded in the minutes, as required by Robert\'s, that was done Nov. 8 before all this circus started, but if someone wishes to quit I most certainly would need a replacement. What I need most right now is member input, what I need least is more of that darned controversy, so I am not even going to think about opening those forums. I did state my case, and these bylaws are more important to me, and I hope the members of HPOCA than all that bickering. I believe had the bylaws had some hard and fast rules in place concerning termination procedure, this controversy would not happened. But, we never did need them before, like many recent events, no procedure has been necessary before. I guess I\'ll have to cover several bases. I most certainly can use good suggestions, from you or any member. I think Frank Dodson has the right idea, just don\'t deal with the forums since they have ceased to be functional. I think well of Frank, he is a friend of mine, but we disagree alot, don\'t make any difference, he is still pretty smart, and a good guy. If you want to volunteer to help me, see if you can get some members to give me some input to take to the committee. Perhaps, I could talk to Frank, and put you and him on as alternates.\nThanks, Andy[quote:358qoe7z]Andy:\n\nThe reason I asked you to send  me a U2U was the by-laws rewrite.\n\nI don\'t know if you have all the help you need, but if you don\'t I would be willing to help out where I can.  Just let me know.\n\nLooks like my U2U is working now.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n[quote:358qoe7z]Hey Bill,\nI am reviewing past messages in order to get to work on the bylaws and noticed I didn\'t address something on one of your messages. Some of my customers do have specific load securement requirements, some do specify the number and size of straps, chains, and devices to protect their product from damage that can be caused by these devices. One even specifies the manufacturer, size, type and model. Of course that customer stocks that specific equipment and sells it to me. But, their price is considerably less than normal suppliers. If you have issues concerning bylaws, let me know, as that will be getting the lion\'s share of my free time until I can get past this committee report.[/quote:358qoe7z][/quote:358qoe7z][/quote:358qoe7z][/quote:358qoe7z][/quote:358qoe7z]','',0,0,'gA==','358qoe7z',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1015,0,390,0,'',1070405884,1,1,1,1,'OILER PARTS','DID YOU FIND YOUR HART PARR PARTS I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP YOU OUT','',0,0,'gA==','1azuf35n',0,0,'u_390','',0),(1017,0,390,0,'',1070406584,1,1,1,1,'CRAWLER','COULD YOU SEND A PICTURE OF IT IF YOU STILL HAVE IT ADN WHAT YOU ARE ASKING \r\nEMAIL ADDRESS <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:RDOFLOOR@AOL.COM\">RDOFLOOR@AOL.COM</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','1b48n87m',0,0,'u_390','',0),(1019,0,35,0,'',1070419543,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:2yo8dotn]I am loaded for Jackson, will be there Tuesday night of Wednesday morning. Are you going to be around? If so, I will try to call.[/quote:2yo8dotn]\r\n\r\nAndy\r\nI am in the process of giving college anatomy &amp; physiology exams and I will be at our satellite campuses at Lexington &amp; Savannah TN on Wed. &amp; Thur.','',0,0,'gA==','2yo8dotn',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1020,0,35,0,'',1070419543,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:2yo8dotn]I am loaded for Jackson, will be there Tuesday night of Wednesday morning. Are you going to be around? If so, I will try to call.[/quote:2yo8dotn]\r\n\r\nAndy\r\nI am in the process of giving college anatomy &amp; physiology exams and I will be at our satellite campuses at Lexington &amp; Savannah TN on Wed. &amp; Thur.','',0,0,'gA==','2yo8dotn',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1023,0,40,0,'',1070426856,1,1,1,1,'Re: Pulleys','John:\r\n\r\nThanks for the response.  I\'ll let my brother know you might have something that will work.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:n5uojfql]I have a whole barn full of pulleys. Some might work. 90 % are off threshing machines, but the wrong brand. My dad was a Peerless, Russel and Morning Star man.[/quote:n5uojfql]','',0,0,'gA==','n5uojfql',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1028,0,26,0,'',1070457442,1,1,1,1,'Lawyer','I tried to find your e-mail address, but can\'t find it.  It really wouldn\'t surprise me if they could read our U2\'s but Chris is probably the only one that could and I\'d say he has his hands full right now.\r\n\r\nThe meeting was somewhat informative (and expensive - $300!)  Since I wrote the contract myself, it is somewhat liberal and has loopholes.  When I wrote it, I didn\'t know it was ever going to come to this.  This WAS a fun antique tractor club!  Out of the entire 3 page termination letter, there are only 3 points in it that have anything to do with my contract or the job that I\'m hired to do.  Of those 3 things, their facts are wrong and I have not done what they say.  For example, they said I didn\'t provide them with an advertising report at the last meeting.  I sat right there and read the totals to them and I watched Terry write it down.  My printer had quit the night before I left for the meeting so I took an OLD report and hand wrote all the new figures in and took that with me.  I didn\'t want to pass around a hand-written report, so I just read it to them.  Another example.  They said I didn\'t provide an expense report for the last issue.  The magazine was mailed on the 3rd, the meeting was on the 8th, I don\'t even get the bills for the magazine until the 15th.  In fact, I actually received the bill from the printer late last week.  How do they expect me to provide them with an accuarate expense report when the expenses are in yet?!  The third count which deals with me not looking for the cheapest printer I could find, is also bogus.  NOTHING else in the letter has anything to do with the contract.  The lawyer said I could just throw that out.  \r\n\r\nIf I wanted to get into a costly court battle, I could fight for the balance due on the contract.  But I have no desire to get in a fighting match or drag the club into court.  The club didn\'t do this to me, 8 jealous guys did.  \r\n\r\nIf they print an explanation in the next magazine, I sure it will also be full of untruths.  When they print that, I can go after them for slander.  I really feel sorry for the new editor.  Terry\'s got him snowballed.  \r\n\r\nThe attorney is going to study the contract and other correspondance and get back to me next week.  He was throwing so much at me that I didn\'t even ask if there was any chance they could take my \"severance pay\" away from me.  \r\n\r\nI feel much better having legal assurance that they had no grounds for this, but there went the new set of tires that I need.  \r\n\r\nIf you ever want to see this ridiculous letter, I can mail you a copy.  \r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','vnunfm9z',0,0,'u_26','',0),(1029,0,360,0,'',1070467405,1,1,1,1,'Re: Lawyer','My email should be this to send me the letter, <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:edfrazi@pennswoods.net\">edfrazi@pennswoods.net</a><!-- e -->.  This is just bogus and will get addressed in do course. They still do not have the courage to answer why they have not put this information out and can\'t face you in person. If someone can not look you square in the eyes and tell you something that is a sure sign of a liar. I deal with inmates all the time and this is what they do. We will get to the bottom of this and the truth will get out. Is this jealousy the result of the Number #3 project?\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:29zgerl7]I tried to find your e-mail address, but can\'t find it.  It really wouldn\'t surprise me if they could read our U2\'s but Chris is probably the only one that could and I\'d say he has his hands full right now.\n\nThe meeting was somewhat informative (and expensive - $300!)  Since I wrote the contract myself, it is somewhat liberal and has loopholes.  When I wrote it, I didn\'t know it was ever going to come to this.  This WAS a fun antique tractor club!  Out of the entire 3 page termination letter, there are only 3 points in it that have anything to do with my contract or the job that I\'m hired to do.  Of those 3 things, their facts are wrong and I have not done what they say.  For example, they said I didn\'t provide them with an advertising report at the last meeting.  I sat right there and read the totals to them and I watched Terry write it down.  My printer had quit the night before I left for the meeting so I took an OLD report and hand wrote all the new figures in and took that with me.  I didn\'t want to pass around a hand-written report, so I just read it to them.  Another example.  They said I didn\'t provide an expense report for the last issue.  The magazine was mailed on the 3rd, the meeting was on the 8th, I don\'t even get the bills for the magazine until the 15th.  In fact, I actually received the bill from the printer late last week.  How do they expect me to provide them with an accuarate expense report when the expenses are in yet?!  The third count which deals with me not looking for the cheapest printer I could find, is also bogus.  NOTHING else in the letter has anything to do with the contract.  The lawyer said I could just throw that out.  \n\nIf I wanted to get into a costly court battle, I could fight for the balance due on the contract.  But I have no desire to get in a fighting match or drag the club into court.  The club didn\'t do this to me, 8 jealous guys did.  \n\nIf they print an explanation in the next magazine, I sure it will also be full of untruths.  When they print that, I can go after them for slander.  I really feel sorry for the new editor.  Terry\'s got him snowballed.  \n\nThe attorney is going to study the contract and other correspondance and get back to me next week.  He was throwing so much at me that I didn\'t even ask if there was any chance they could take my \"severance pay\" away from me.  \n\nI feel much better having legal assurance that they had no grounds for this, but there went the new set of tires that I need.  \n\nIf you ever want to see this ridiculous letter, I can mail you a copy.  \nSherry[/quote:29zgerl7]','',0,0,'gA==','29zgerl7',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1030,0,360,0,'',1070467405,1,1,1,1,'Re: Lawyer','My email should be this to send me the letter, <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:edfrazi@pennswoods.net\">edfrazi@pennswoods.net</a><!-- e -->.  This is just bogus and will get addressed in do course. They still do not have the courage to answer why they have not put this information out and can\'t face you in person. If someone can not look you square in the eyes and tell you something that is a sure sign of a liar. I deal with inmates all the time and this is what they do. We will get to the bottom of this and the truth will get out. Is this jealousy the result of the Number #3 project?\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:29zgerl7]I tried to find your e-mail address, but can\'t find it.  It really wouldn\'t surprise me if they could read our U2\'s but Chris is probably the only one that could and I\'d say he has his hands full right now.\n\nThe meeting was somewhat informative (and expensive - $300!)  Since I wrote the contract myself, it is somewhat liberal and has loopholes.  When I wrote it, I didn\'t know it was ever going to come to this.  This WAS a fun antique tractor club!  Out of the entire 3 page termination letter, there are only 3 points in it that have anything to do with my contract or the job that I\'m hired to do.  Of those 3 things, their facts are wrong and I have not done what they say.  For example, they said I didn\'t provide them with an advertising report at the last meeting.  I sat right there and read the totals to them and I watched Terry write it down.  My printer had quit the night before I left for the meeting so I took an OLD report and hand wrote all the new figures in and took that with me.  I didn\'t want to pass around a hand-written report, so I just read it to them.  Another example.  They said I didn\'t provide an expense report for the last issue.  The magazine was mailed on the 3rd, the meeting was on the 8th, I don\'t even get the bills for the magazine until the 15th.  In fact, I actually received the bill from the printer late last week.  How do they expect me to provide them with an accuarate expense report when the expenses are in yet?!  The third count which deals with me not looking for the cheapest printer I could find, is also bogus.  NOTHING else in the letter has anything to do with the contract.  The lawyer said I could just throw that out.  \n\nIf I wanted to get into a costly court battle, I could fight for the balance due on the contract.  But I have no desire to get in a fighting match or drag the club into court.  The club didn\'t do this to me, 8 jealous guys did.  \n\nIf they print an explanation in the next magazine, I sure it will also be full of untruths.  When they print that, I can go after them for slander.  I really feel sorry for the new editor.  Terry\'s got him snowballed.  \n\nThe attorney is going to study the contract and other correspondance and get back to me next week.  He was throwing so much at me that I didn\'t even ask if there was any chance they could take my \"severance pay\" away from me.  \n\nI feel much better having legal assurance that they had no grounds for this, but there went the new set of tires that I need.  \n\nIf you ever want to see this ridiculous letter, I can mail you a copy.  \nSherry[/quote:29zgerl7]','',0,0,'gA==','29zgerl7',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1034,0,418,0,'',1070506710,1,1,1,1,'Good Job','Terry&amp;lt; I have ben watching this fiasco unfold over the last week and I would like to tell you I think you have don a VERY good job at explaing what is going on. There are many rumors and few ansers so far but I realize you have to cover your butt also.  My hat is off to you sir. Thank you for a job well done. I will have a greater intrest in OUR club from now on.    Randy Neirynck','',0,0,'gA==','2abeetu4',0,0,'u_418','',0),(1037,0,40,0,'',1070568087,1,1,1,1,'By-Laws','John:\r\n\r\nI am alternate on the HPOCA by-laws rewrite committee.  Would it be possible to obtain a copy of the I&amp;I Club by-laws?  It would give us more information on which to base the HPOCA rewrite.\r\n\r\nMaybe you have already provided them to Andy or Terry.  If so I will get in touch with them.\r\n\r\nThank you.\r\nBill Brandt','',0,0,'gA==','1tae96x4',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1039,0,7,0,'',1070571857,1,1,1,1,'Re: By-Laws','As A matter of fact, I am in the process of getting them put on my computer after a few changes in the last 12 months. I\'ll get them for you, but may be a while.\r\n\r\n[quote:76gvqxuw]John:\n\nI am alternate on the HPOCA by-laws rewrite committee.  Would it be possible to obtain a copy of the I&amp;I Club by-laws?  It would give us more information on which to base the HPOCA rewrite.\n\nMaybe you have already provided them to Andy or Terry.  If so I will get in touch with them.\n\nThank you.\nBill Brandt[/quote:76gvqxuw]','',0,0,'gA==','76gvqxuw',0,0,'u_7','',0),(1040,0,7,0,'',1070571857,1,1,1,1,'Re: By-Laws','As A matter of fact, I am in the process of getting them put on my computer after a few changes in the last 12 months. I\'ll get them for you, but may be a while.\r\n\r\n[quote:76gvqxuw]John:\n\nI am alternate on the HPOCA by-laws rewrite committee.  Would it be possible to obtain a copy of the I&amp;I Club by-laws?  It would give us more information on which to base the HPOCA rewrite.\n\nMaybe you have already provided them to Andy or Terry.  If so I will get in touch with them.\n\nThank you.\nBill Brandt[/quote:76gvqxuw]','',0,0,'gA==','76gvqxuw',0,0,'u_7','',0),(1042,0,7,0,'',1070589559,1,1,1,1,'Hart Parr #3 project','Danny, you didn\'t leave an email so I will try to handle your questions for you. 2 years ago I&amp;I asked the Smithsonian for the IH turbine tractor and received it in March 2002. At that time we had already approached the Smithsonian about acquiring Hart Parr #3. In July 2002 we learned that Larry Gay and HPOCA had started a proposal to acquire HP #3 so we backed off to let HPOCA take the lead. About October 2002 Darius Harms from I&amp;I was contacted by Larry Jones of the Smithsonian and told that HPOCA\'s application would be rejected because HPOCA didn\'t own a property to display and secure the tractor. They also said that they would not release the tractor without it being refurbished. At this point the picture is a little fuzzy from my stand point, but Harms, Terry Allen, Ollie Shaefer, Larry Gay and Peter Markowski were the principals involved and maybe a few others, I wasn\'t there. At any rate an understanding was reached that I&amp;I would submit the application for HP#3 and that HPOCA would provide the funding and the expertise to get #3 in condition to be displayed. The estimate from the Smithsonian was that the project would cost $250,000. HPOCA\'s estimate, sight unseen, was $15-16,000. As it ended up the whole project is coming in around $27,000. Pretty remarkable given the Smithsonian estimate. Once the project was underway, the Smithsonian\'s representatives had sole discression on the project with guidance and reccommendations from the mechanics that worked on the project. The rules and guidlines were really quite interesting and the can and can\'t do is equally remarkable. The Smithsonian would only allow a certain number of people to work on the machine and they had to be approved by the Smithsonian. There was some consternation on the part of the board over control and cost over runs, but the general feeling was that once the project started there was no turning back. \r\n\r\nA lot of what went on and has been said was from the uninformed. Not sure how you can communicate the long hours of work and coordination that everyone in HPOCA put in on this project, it was pulled off in record time with pretty reasonable costs.\r\n\r\nAs far as HP#3 going somewhere else. The Smithsonian has the final say. You have to make an application, have suitable transpertation, pay to have a Smithsonian representative present during the display, have a Smithsonian approved operator, pay for the insurance that the Smithsonian provides, provide 24 hour security and have a storage and display area approved by the Smithsonian.\r\n\r\nThe whole deal has boiled down to this. HPOCA wanted the tractor out of the Smithsonian for it\'s 100th birthday, and I&amp;I was able to facilitate that happening by providing the place and HPOCA the funding.\r\n\r\nHope I have helped a little. This whole project was quite a feat and HPOCA has a lot to be proud of. The tractor will remain in Penfield for 2 more years and getting it moved will take an application from some one that can meet all of the Smithsonian\'s requirements. It would be a shame for it to go back to Washington, because we probably won\'t see it again for a long time if it does. Hopefully HPOCA can get something worked out.\r\n\r\nJohn Schweizer\r\nV President\r\nI&amp;I Antique Tractor &amp; Gas Engine Club','',0,0,'gA==','23s1rz5i',0,0,'u_7','',0),(1043,0,40,0,'',1070599656,1,1,1,1,'Re: By-Laws','Thankd for the response.  I will be looking forward to reading them.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:3d9re1hf]As A matter of fact, I am in the process of getting them put on my computer after a few changes in the last 12 months. I\'ll get them for you, but may be a while.\n\n[quote:3d9re1hf]John:\n\nI am alternate on the HPOCA by-laws rewrite committee.  Would it be possible to obtain a copy of the I&amp;I Club by-laws?  It would give us more information on which to base the HPOCA rewrite.\n\nMaybe you have already provided them to Andy or Terry.  If so I will get in touch with them.\n\nThank you.\nBill Brandt[/quote:3d9re1hf][/quote:3d9re1hf]','',0,0,'gA==','3d9re1hf',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1049,0,396,0,'',1070726573,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oc-3 Head bolt sequence.','[quote:1fiwebgd]If nobody has sent it to you I can do that Monday as I am out of town the rest of the week. However I do not have a scanner yet so I need a U S mail address so I know where to send the photo copy. Make sure you clean the bolt holes in the block good as they go into water. Also use a little teflon sealer on them and retorque the head once the engine has reached operating temperature. Also make sure the head is flat before poutting it back on. By the way the OC-3 was introduced in 1951. If your tractor is a 1948 it is an HG with the IXK engine (same head gasket) nowdays. Questions[/quote:1fiwebgd]\r\nThanks again.  I\'ll have to find out more about the year, my father-in-law told me it was a 48 but I\'m not sure where he got his info.  He bought it about 12 years ago and has kept it running ever since but is now not able to work on it.  My home address is Ed Moore\r\n12615 SE 192nd St\r\nRenton, WA 98058\r\n\r\nI\'ll be happy to pay any costs to ship the info,  Thanks once again.','',0,0,'gA==','1fiwebgd',0,0,'u_396','',0),(1050,0,396,0,'',1070726573,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oc-3 Head bolt sequence.','[quote:1fiwebgd]If nobody has sent it to you I can do that Monday as I am out of town the rest of the week. However I do not have a scanner yet so I need a U S mail address so I know where to send the photo copy. Make sure you clean the bolt holes in the block good as they go into water. Also use a little teflon sealer on them and retorque the head once the engine has reached operating temperature. Also make sure the head is flat before poutting it back on. By the way the OC-3 was introduced in 1951. If your tractor is a 1948 it is an HG with the IXK engine (same head gasket) nowdays. Questions[/quote:1fiwebgd]\r\nThanks again.  I\'ll have to find out more about the year, my father-in-law told me it was a 48 but I\'m not sure where he got his info.  He bought it about 12 years ago and has kept it running ever since but is now not able to work on it.  My home address is Ed Moore\r\n12615 SE 192nd St\r\nRenton, WA 98058\r\n\r\nI\'ll be happy to pay any costs to ship the info,  Thanks once again.','',0,0,'gA==','1fiwebgd',0,0,'u_396','',0),(1052,0,35,0,'',1070755009,1,1,1,1,'Jackson','I have been giving exams at out extension centers. I finish Thursday. The economy is getting better in the Jackson area however we never had it too bad. There is a Toyota engine plant coming to Jackson and the other industries have not really hurt.','',0,0,'gA==','pbo8n3i5',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1056,0,26,0,'',1070805228,1,1,1,1,'Re: Lawyer','Ed,\r\nSorry I didn\'t get back to you sooner.  I\'ve been working very long days and haven\'t had to time be on-line much.\r\n\r\nYes, this is completely about No. 3.  Although I\'m sure they\'re composing a list to present to the members to state otherwise.  I saw a letter that Terry wrote that said \"The problem with Sherry seems to have begun when No. 3 arrived in Greenville.\"  \r\n\r\nI have NO respect for the board anymore.  I heard a good quote the other day.  \"If a man\'s word is no good, then his name on a piece of paper isn\'t either.\"  Wish I would have heard that before they signed the contract.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','320gk4nu',0,0,'u_26','',0),(1057,0,35,0,'',1070844620,1,1,1,1,'HG','Nailcreek\r\n\r\nUnless this crawler has a lot of sentemental value you might want to reconsider. I have had both a HG and an OC4 rebuilt and it was extremely costly. I gave $2000 for the OC4 and by the time it was finished I had well over $6000  invested. It wasn\'t show quality. I gave $1000 for the HG and after spending $1500 to get it running I sold it for $2000. I like crawlers but I have found them to be extremely costly. The Olivers were tough machines but the pto is weak for heavy work such as cutting brush. I now have a 1964 550 Special and an Oliver 75 lawnmower both in show condition. I do have a Mitsubishi dozer that I paid $11000 . I use it on my hobby farm in the hills. It is a 1992 model and does a great job.\r\nGood luck\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2jtht9le',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1058,0,35,0,'',1070844620,1,1,1,1,'HG','Nailcreek\r\n\r\nUnless this crawler has a lot of sentemental value you might want to reconsider. I have had both a HG and an OC4 rebuilt and it was extremely costly. I gave $2000 for the OC4 and by the time it was finished I had well over $6000  invested. It wasn\'t show quality. I gave $1000 for the HG and after spending $1500 to get it running I sold it for $2000. I like crawlers but I have found them to be extremely costly. The Olivers were tough machines but the pto is weak for heavy work such as cutting brush. I now have a 1964 550 Special and an Oliver 75 lawnmower both in show condition. I do have a Mitsubishi dozer that I paid $11000 . I use it on my hobby farm in the hills. It is a 1992 model and does a great job.\r\nGood luck\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2jtht9le',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1059,0,430,0,'',1070854164,1,1,1,1,'550 Crankshaft question','I saw a post on the Yesterdays tractor forum today about offset grinding 550 cranks and gaining the 1/4\" of stroke. I am interested in doing this on my 66. You mentioned in your reply that you could send him some info. I would be interested in this myself, and would greatly appreciate if you could email it to me also. You have answered some of my posts in the past on the YT forum. Thank you for your help.\r\nDan Pion\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Pd455@aol.com\">Pd455@aol.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','1xmlqwv2',0,0,'u_430','',0),(1060,0,430,0,'',1070854164,1,1,1,1,'550 Crankshaft question','I saw a post on the Yesterdays tractor forum today about offset grinding 550 cranks and gaining the 1/4\" of stroke. I am interested in doing this on my 66. You mentioned in your reply that you could send him some info. I would be interested in this myself, and would greatly appreciate if you could email it to me also. You have answered some of my posts in the past on the YT forum. Thank you for your help.\r\nDan Pion\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Pd455@aol.com\">Pd455@aol.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','1xmlqwv2',0,0,'u_430','',0),(1064,0,351,0,'',1071022246,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Hi Terry,\r\nPhone # is (920)206-9003.  Will check my calendar tonight - we should be able to find a time on that weekend.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nJames\r\n\r\n[quote:2yw97anv]James--I wanted to call you about the 80 wide front we talked about earlier, but have lost your phone number.  Still want it, and need to set up a time to pick up.  Maybe the weekend of Dec. 20 or 21 if you are available?  Will call when I have your phone number.  Thanks, Terry.[/quote:2yw97anv]','',0,0,'gA==','2yw97anv',0,0,'u_351','',0),(1068,0,35,0,'',1071028541,1,1,1,1,'mess','You couldn\'t have put it better. It seems that it was ok to bash Sherry but when people started getting to the real issues the moderator elects to close the forum. HPOCA is in serious trouble.','',0,0,'gA==','3o3jwve8',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1070,0,372,0,'',1071101876,1,1,1,1,'Re: U2U mail','[quote:2sfvfhv8]It is 11:15 here on 12-03 and I just recieved your U2U of 11-29. I was on the site earlier this evening an it never showed up. I think I could get the U S Postal service to deliver quicker than that. I am going to see what the webmaster can tell us about slow mail.\n  I will discuss with Terry his intentions for a reply on Fri. evening. I\'ll get with you probably Sat.    oleblu[/quote:2sfvfhv8]\r\n\r\nI have not seen anythig on the HPOCA Board or heard from you.  It looks like  Terry is not going to give us that full explanation.  In my opinion its doubtful that a real explanation is ever going to be given.  It is my intention to let my membership lapse---the club is not being run in a way that I can accept.','',0,0,'gA==','2sfvfhv8',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1071,0,105,0,'',1071164559,1,1,1,1,'Re: note','Hey Frank, first you say you havent heard from me in a while...then i email you back and now I havent heard from you in a while.  Whats up buddy?  I am still hanging in here trying to ignore all the negativity.  Its hard though.  Us positive thinkers need to keep on posting some good thoughts so we can keep everyones heads above water!\r\nTalk back at me.\r\nIan\r\n\r\n[quote:2ju2hecq]Lug\n\nI haven\'t heard from you in several days hope everything is ok.[/quote:2ju2hecq]','',0,0,'gA==','2ju2hecq',0,0,'u_105','',0),(1072,0,105,0,'',1071164559,1,1,1,1,'Re: note','Hey Frank, first you say you havent heard from me in a while...then i email you back and now I havent heard from you in a while.  Whats up buddy?  I am still hanging in here trying to ignore all the negativity.  Its hard though.  Us positive thinkers need to keep on posting some good thoughts so we can keep everyones heads above water!\r\nTalk back at me.\r\nIan\r\n\r\n[quote:2ju2hecq]Lug\n\nI haven\'t heard from you in several days hope everything is ok.[/quote:2ju2hecq]','',0,0,'gA==','2ju2hecq',0,0,'u_105','',0),(1075,0,35,0,'',1071176253,1,1,1,1,'hello','I know what you mean. There are several lookers but very few posters. I think YT   has slowed on the Oliver etc. site. I don\'t know what will happen but maybe by next year things will have gotten better. I have been busy giving exams and attending Ruritan meetings. Did I see you last Friday getting off I65 at the Columbia exit? Someone was pulling a trailer carrying an Oliver and a Cockshutt? Talk to you later.','',0,0,'gA==','263f3qhf',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1076,0,35,0,'',1071176253,1,1,1,1,'hello','I know what you mean. There are several lookers but very few posters. I think YT   has slowed on the Oliver etc. site. I don\'t know what will happen but maybe by next year things will have gotten better. I have been busy giving exams and attending Ruritan meetings. Did I see you last Friday getting off I65 at the Columbia exit? Someone was pulling a trailer carrying an Oliver and a Cockshutt? Talk to you later.','',0,0,'gA==','263f3qhf',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1077,0,432,0,'',1071195205,1,1,1,1,'Bylaws committee','Andy-\r\nI have logged in but now I need approval from the webmaster.  What steps do I need to take?\r\nBill\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:trim-n-prun@softcom.net\">trim-n-prun@softcom.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','14y1m0ko',0,0,'u_432','',0),(1078,0,432,0,'',1071195205,1,1,1,1,'Bylaws committee','Andy-\r\nI have logged in but now I need approval from the webmaster.  What steps do I need to take?\r\nBill\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:trim-n-prun@softcom.net\">trim-n-prun@softcom.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','14y1m0ko',0,0,'u_432','',0),(1082,0,51,0,'',1071245090,1,1,1,1,'H P 70 seat cover.','I have not used the U2U before hope this works. My EMail is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:DWL2255@AOL.COM\">DWL2255@AOL.COM</a><!-- e -->.                                Phone #217 867  2469                              I sent an EMail it came back. Delbert','',0,0,'gA==','2xgnq1tn',0,0,'u_51','',0),(1086,0,7,0,'',1071339572,1,1,1,1,'Re: Hart Parr #3 project','Danny, I have no idea why Sherry\'s contract was terminated, I\'m not a board member nor have I attended any of the meetings. I have spoken to Terry in person and exchanged emails with him. I am confident that the Hart Parr #3 project did not have a bearing on Sherry\'s situation, I have talked to Terry about that. \r\n\r\nI would like to suggest that you and who ever else is raising these questions on the forum pick up the phone and call Terry and the board members and talk to them. I think they will be much more forthcoming than on the forum. [quote:ssnkl8jf]John Thank you. Sorry I didn\'t get back to you for I am not very computer literate. I still would like to know. Is this the main reason for hard feelings towards the Schaefer family? Was this the reason Sherry was fired? This is a very emotional issue for many members. I still believe even if her contract was not renewed....the repercussions would still be the same....Sorry for not responding, danny\n         AS my mother use to say to me growing up     \"This too shall pass\" \n[/quote:ssnkl8jf]','',0,0,'gA==','ssnkl8jf',0,0,'u_7','',0),(1089,0,311,0,'',1071355936,1,1,1,1,'','any particalar model new holland?do they have to be modified?','',0,0,'gA==','3v3r0qab',0,0,'u_311','',0),(1107,0,35,0,'',1071436312,1,1,1,1,'55','Hey\r\nI haven\'t heard from you. I hope everything is ok. There is a man in Jackson that has three 55\'s two are in good shape but he wants 4250 ea. and I feel that is too high. He does have one in poor shape that he is asking 1700 but would probably come down. If you are interested I will check.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','1qbb75om',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1108,0,35,0,'',1071436312,1,1,1,1,'55','Hey\r\nI haven\'t heard from you. I hope everything is ok. There is a man in Jackson that has three 55\'s two are in good shape but he wants 4250 ea. and I feel that is too high. He does have one in poor shape that he is asking 1700 but would probably come down. If you are interested I will check.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','1qbb75om',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1109,0,7,0,'',1071460529,1,1,1,1,'Bylaws','Bill,\r\n\r\nShoot me an email at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:johnws53@aol.com\">johnws53@aol.com</a><!-- e --> and I can email you a copy of the I&amp;I constitution and by-laws.\r\n\r\nWas looking at your member info, interesting. We lived in Henry for a while and later McNabb. We return to the area several times a year to visit friends. \r\n\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','1ldnekm4',0,0,'u_7','',0),(1110,0,7,0,'',1071460529,1,1,1,1,'Bylaws','Bill,\r\n\r\nShoot me an email at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:johnws53@aol.com\">johnws53@aol.com</a><!-- e --> and I can email you a copy of the I&amp;I constitution and by-laws.\r\n\r\nWas looking at your member info, interesting. We lived in Henry for a while and later McNabb. We return to the area several times a year to visit friends. \r\n\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','1ldnekm4',0,0,'u_7','',0),(1111,0,410,0,'',1071534483,1,1,1,1,'oliver 550','Hello:\r\n\r\nThanks for the posting about the 550.  What condition is it in?  How does it run?  Does it have live PTO? PS? 3PT?  Do you have any photos to email?\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,0,'gA==','129lw8yv',0,0,'u_410','',0),(1112,0,410,0,'',1071534483,1,1,1,1,'oliver 550','Hello:\r\n\r\nThanks for the posting about the 550.  What condition is it in?  How does it run?  Does it have live PTO? PS? 3PT?  Do you have any photos to email?\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,0,'gA==','129lw8yv',0,0,'u_410','',0),(1113,0,410,0,'',1071534564,1,1,1,1,'550 oliver','Hello:\r\n\r\nDid you find out if the Oliver 550 you mentioned in the Oliver Forum is around?\r\n\r\nThanks\r\nNG','',0,0,'gA==','1z32lnni',0,0,'u_410','',0),(1121,0,35,0,'',1071547913,1,1,1,1,'Re: Question about elevator','[quote:3m7rqvxg]The answer is no. With three John Deere dealers and two New Idea dealers in the county plus King Wise 30 miles away, I will let you guess what the leading brands of elevators were in this area. The Coop elevator was made by Cardinal. I told a Cockshutt colletor friend about it and I think he bought it for a little less than $80.00. do you know a model 38 drill when you see one? There is a drill that came out of an old barn near here this fall decent condition, steel box no fertilizer painted yellow almost a Cletrac orange for sale.\n\nJohn\nI can\'t help with that one. Most of the drills in our area were McCormicks. The earliest drill that I remember is the 26. I think I have seen a picture of a yellow horse drawn Oliver Superior but I don\'t remember where.[/quote:3m7rqvxg]','',0,0,'gA==','3m7rqvxg',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1122,0,35,0,'',1071547913,1,1,1,1,'Re: Question about elevator','[quote:3m7rqvxg]The answer is no. With three John Deere dealers and two New Idea dealers in the county plus King Wise 30 miles away, I will let you guess what the leading brands of elevators were in this area. The Coop elevator was made by Cardinal. I told a Cockshutt colletor friend about it and I think he bought it for a little less than $80.00. do you know a model 38 drill when you see one? There is a drill that came out of an old barn near here this fall decent condition, steel box no fertilizer painted yellow almost a Cletrac orange for sale.\n\nJohn\nI can\'t help with that one. Most of the drills in our area were McCormicks. The earliest drill that I remember is the 26. I think I have seen a picture of a yellow horse drawn Oliver Superior but I don\'t remember where.[/quote:3m7rqvxg]','',0,0,'gA==','3m7rqvxg',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1125,0,407,0,'',1071772839,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 80','I was wondering what model John Deere I can machine to get 80 valves. Thanks, Adam','',0,0,'gA==','3nkcq9cn',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1126,0,407,0,'',1071772839,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 80','I was wondering what model John Deere I can machine to get 80 valves. Thanks, Adam','',0,0,'gA==','3nkcq9cn',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1128,0,35,0,'',1071773712,1,1,1,1,'video','I just finished viewing the 03 video and have a suggestion concerning the parade. At our two large tractor shows in TN we have the participants fill out the cards and hold them. They line-up and as they move to the viewing area they hand the card to an individual who gives the card to the announcer. This method produces less confusion and makes the parade run smoother.','',0,0,'gA==','2wmm995y',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1134,0,410,0,'',1071804512,1,1,1,1,'550','Where is your 550 located?  Do you have any photos?\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,0,'gA==','1js6sc3n',0,0,'u_410','',0),(1135,0,105,0,'',1071853335,1,1,1,1,'JD Valves','Hey John, I am interested in that swap.  We have a Cockshutt 80 that needs valves and we were trying to figure out something.  Let me know.  Thanks.','',0,0,'gA==','3glj3but',0,0,'u_105','',0),(1136,0,105,0,'',1071853335,1,1,1,1,'JD Valves','Hey John, I am interested in that swap.  We have a Cockshutt 80 that needs valves and we were trying to figure out something.  Let me know.  Thanks.','',0,0,'gA==','3glj3but',0,0,'u_105','',0),(1137,0,105,0,'',1071853595,1,1,1,1,'Re: hello','No Frank, it wasnt me that you saw on I65, but I wish it was.  I havent gotten to play tractors much lately.  I have been really busy, and its cold.  You know how it goes.  If I dont talk to you again before then, have a Merry Christmas.  See you buddy.\r\nIan','',0,0,'gA==','2iapfyk8',0,0,'u_105','',0),(1138,0,105,0,'',1071853595,1,1,1,1,'Re: hello','No Frank, it wasnt me that you saw on I65, but I wish it was.  I havent gotten to play tractors much lately.  I have been really busy, and its cold.  You know how it goes.  If I dont talk to you again before then, have a Merry Christmas.  See you buddy.\r\nIan','',0,0,'gA==','2iapfyk8',0,0,'u_105','',0),(1145,0,433,0,'',1071988398,1,1,1,1,'Re: oliver 550','[quote:28kk8kd3]Hello:\n\nThanks for the posting about the 550.  What condition is it in?  How does it run?  Does it have live PTO? PS? 3PT?  Do you have any photos to email?\n\nThanks[/quote:28kk8kd3]\r\n\r\nng\r\n\r\nthe tractor is in good \"working\" shape.  I intended to restore so I chased down the original grille and front plastic oliver emblem.  She has live pto and 3 pt but not power steering.  Does have the 14.9 X 26 rear tires.  All the sheet metal is good.  She will need a new \"cluster\" gauge.  I rigged an oil pressue gauge off the filter housing.  Great running and powerful tractor that I used to bush hog etc.  I got transferred to Alaska so I kept my Super 55.  It has a low serial number and is more of a collector piece.\r\n\r\nI think I have some pictures but that will require my wife\'s assistance.\r\n\r\nI will get those to you as soon as possible.\r\n\r\nHappy Holidays!','',0,0,'gA==','28kk8kd3',0,0,'u_433','',0),(1146,0,433,0,'',1071988398,1,1,1,1,'Re: oliver 550','[quote:28kk8kd3]Hello:\n\nThanks for the posting about the 550.  What condition is it in?  How does it run?  Does it have live PTO? PS? 3PT?  Do you have any photos to email?\n\nThanks[/quote:28kk8kd3]\r\n\r\nng\r\n\r\nthe tractor is in good \"working\" shape.  I intended to restore so I chased down the original grille and front plastic oliver emblem.  She has live pto and 3 pt but not power steering.  Does have the 14.9 X 26 rear tires.  All the sheet metal is good.  She will need a new \"cluster\" gauge.  I rigged an oil pressue gauge off the filter housing.  Great running and powerful tractor that I used to bush hog etc.  I got transferred to Alaska so I kept my Super 55.  It has a low serial number and is more of a collector piece.\r\n\r\nI think I have some pictures but that will require my wife\'s assistance.\r\n\r\nI will get those to you as soon as possible.\r\n\r\nHappy Holidays!','',0,0,'gA==','28kk8kd3',0,0,'u_433','',0),(1148,0,254,0,'',1072020999,1,1,1,1,'Re: 3 point','[quote:36sbx1ry]The top link should be a common item at any \"farm hardware\" store, Farm &amp; Fleet, TSC, Farm King, Rural King, etc.  I\'ll try to get some photos for you. Thanks Jim Thurnau[/quote:36sbx1ry]\r\n\r\nJim \r\nHave you got a chance to get any pic\'s of it yet ? I am still intrested in the 3 pt hitch.\r\nI was wondering when it is on the tractor can you still use the factory draw bar or not? cause in the spring the local  tractor club goes and plows around at some local farms and this year I have a set of Oliver 4340 plows to use so I would like to have a good hitch to plow cause we have some hard ground to plow  this spring .\r\nGreg Salvatore','',0,0,'gA==','36sbx1ry',0,0,'u_254','',0),(1150,0,254,0,'',1072021086,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','[quote:390j115w]Chris He said if it is worth 500 he would sell it ti you for 500 if you are still intrested in it \nGreg\n[/quote:390j115w][/quote]\n\nGreg,\n\nI would really like to see a couple of pictures before I would commit to $500. If you could get me pictures that would be great. But if not, Maybe I should give the gentleman a call, if you could get me his number.\n\nThanks,\n\nChris[/quote]\r\n\r\nChris \r\nAre you still intrested in the feed grinder I should have some pics of it soon ?\r\n\r\nGreg','',0,0,'gA==','390j115w',0,0,'u_254','',0),(1156,0,254,0,'',1072041731,1,1,1,1,'Re: 3-pt hitch','[quote:pv9xqud7]Slim, yes I still have the 3 pt hitch. Things have been tough here for the last 2      months (Father in Law got sick and passed away) and I just haven\'t been getting much done, but that WILL change.Drop me a line with your mailing address and I will send you some pictures. \n  You can\'t use the original hitch on your tractor with the three pt.unless you modify the original. The 3 pt has an angle iron in the way for the whole original hitch to be used.It needs the front of the original hitch cut off and weld the rear portion of the original hitch to the three point. A friend had one done like this and it looked good, but I don\'t know how much heavy pulling (plowing) he did with this setup. oleblu[/quote:pv9xqud7]\r\n\r\nSorry about your father in law.My adress is \r\nGreg Salvatore at HC1 Box 1491 Milanville PA 18443. talk to you later \r\n\r\nGreg','',0,0,'gA==','pv9xqud7',0,0,'u_254','',0),(1162,0,254,0,'',1072137544,1,1,1,1,'3pt hitch','Sent you a e-mail .hope to hear from you \r\nGreg','',0,0,'gA==','2krupl1z',0,0,'u_254','',0),(1166,0,35,0,'',1072194327,1,1,1,1,'Re: Question about elevator','[quote:3soyw565][quote:3soyw565][quote:3soyw565]The answer is no. With three John Deere dealers and two New Idea dealers in the county plus King Wise 30 miles away, I will let you guess what the leading brands of elevators were in this area. The Coop elevator was made by Cardinal. I told a Cockshutt colletor friend about it and I think he bought it for a little less than $80.00. do you know a model 38 drill when you see one? There is a drill that came out of an old barn near here this fall decent condition, steel box no fertilizer painted yellow almost a Cletrac orange for sale.\n\nJohn\nI can\'t help with that one. Most of the drills in our area were McCormicks. The earliest drill that I remember is the 26. I think I have seen a picture of a yellow horse drawn Oliver Superior but I don\'t remember where.[/quote:3soyw565][/quote:3soyw565]\nFrank; Send me a U S mail address. I have some Cletrac sheets you may be interested in looking over. They do not quite agree with your information on the E-model. They are taken out of the Cletrac sales manual that was given to the Oliver dealers at the time of the sale. Merry  Christmas. John[/quote:3soyw565] \r\n\r\nJohn\r\nI sure would like to see them. My address is:\r\nFrank Dodson\r\n143 Creekwood Dr.\r\nJackson, TN 38305\r\nI got the info on the E from several sources such as Grays book and Wendels however I did find what I beleive are some mistakes in Wendels book. I think I may remember the material that you are referring. Seems that in the material it showed a farmer cultivating behind the crawler holding reins as you would a draft animal. As you know the Es can be confusing because there were several designations. I can remember seeing an E68 but it has been a long time.\r\nMerry Christmas to you.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','3soyw565',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1167,0,105,0,'',1072194363,1,1,1,1,'','seems like all the talk about sherry and the board has finally slowed down huh?','',0,0,'gA==','x7gnyb2f',0,0,'u_105','',0),(1168,0,105,0,'',1072194363,1,1,1,1,'','seems like all the talk about sherry and the board has finally slowed down huh?','',0,0,'gA==','x7gnyb2f',0,0,'u_105','',0),(1170,0,35,0,'',1072211864,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:3nhpy6lz]seems like all the talk about sherry and the board has finally slowed down huh?[/quote:3nhpy6lz]\r\n\r\nI think the worst is over. There may be some more talk when the magazine comes out. I was asked to be an alternate on the by-laws committee but between you and me nobody can work with Andy. Seems to me that it his way or no way. I think the association will over come this and maybe become stronger. I think Terry needs to keep a low profile in 04. I hope with new by-laws that directors can be elected and spread out the representation. Just my thoughts.\r\nI will try to begin work on a mid-south chapter in 04.\r\nMerry Christmas\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','3nhpy6lz',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1185,0,17,0,'',1072497295,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','[quote:1qwxktcp][quote:1qwxktcp]Chris He said if it is worth 500 he would sell it ti you for 500 if you are still intrested in it \nGreg\n[/quote:1qwxktcp][/quote:1qwxktcp]\n\nGreg,\n\nI would really like to see a couple of pictures before I would commit to $500. If you could get me pictures that would be great. But if not, Maybe I should give the gentleman a call, if you could get me his number.\n\nThanks,\n\nChris[/quote]\n\nChris \nAre you still intrested in the feed grinder I should have some pics of it soon ?\n\nGreg[/quote]\r\n\r\nGreg,\r\n\r\nYes, I am still interested in the grinder/mixer. I am going to the winter get-together in Lancaster, how close would that be?\r\n\r\nChris','',0,0,'gA==','1qwxktcp',0,0,'u_17','',0),(1186,0,17,0,'',1072497295,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','[quote:1qwxktcp][quote:1qwxktcp]Chris He said if it is worth 500 he would sell it ti you for 500 if you are still intrested in it \nGreg\n[/quote:1qwxktcp][/quote:1qwxktcp]\n\nGreg,\n\nI would really like to see a couple of pictures before I would commit to $500. If you could get me pictures that would be great. But if not, Maybe I should give the gentleman a call, if you could get me his number.\n\nThanks,\n\nChris[/quote]\n\nChris \nAre you still intrested in the feed grinder I should have some pics of it soon ?\n\nGreg[/quote]\r\n\r\nGreg,\r\n\r\nYes, I am still interested in the grinder/mixer. I am going to the winter get-together in Lancaster, how close would that be?\r\n\r\nChris','',0,0,'gA==','1qwxktcp',0,0,'u_17','',0),(1192,0,254,0,'',1072558408,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','[quote:2lvpykl2][quote:2lvpykl2][quote:2lvpykl2]Chris He said if it is worth 500 he would sell it ti you for 500 if you are still intrested in it \nGreg\n[/quote:2lvpykl2][/quote:2lvpykl2]\n\nGreg,\n\n\nI would really like to see a couple of pictures before I would commit to $500. If you could get me pictures that would be great. But if not, Maybe I should give the gentleman a call, if you could get me his number.\n\nThanks,\n\nChris[/quote:2lvpykl2]\n\nChris \nAre you still intrested in the feed grinder I should have some pics of it soon ?\n\nGreg[/quote]\n\nGreg,\n\nYes, I am still interested in the grinder/mixer. I am going to the winter get-together in Lancaster, how close would that be?\n\nChris[/quote]\r\n \r\nChris \r\nI hope to be there .It is about 5 hours from my house .I hope to get some pic of it soon .thanks \r\nGreg','',0,0,'gA==','2lvpykl2',0,0,'u_254','',0),(1193,0,442,0,'',1072559122,1,1,1,1,'310 engine','I seen your comments on the 310 engine so maybe you can help me.  I am looking for a 310 diesel to use for a pulling engine.  It is going in a 88.  I am going to run a 3000 rpm class with a turbo.  Any sugestion on good engine choices or advice?  Thanks for any help, Jason Koepke','',0,0,'gA==','1fw8mei7',0,0,'u_442','',0),(1194,0,442,0,'',1072559122,1,1,1,1,'310 engine','I seen your comments on the 310 engine so maybe you can help me.  I am looking for a 310 diesel to use for a pulling engine.  It is going in a 88.  I am going to run a 3000 rpm class with a turbo.  Any sugestion on good engine choices or advice?  Thanks for any help, Jason Koepke','',0,0,'gA==','1fw8mei7',0,0,'u_442','',0),(1195,0,17,0,'',1072585881,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','I look forward to the pics. A guy I sell hay to goes to upstate NY on a regular basis and could haul it back for me, so I think I got that part covered.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\n\r\nChris','',0,0,'gA==','200djvhc',0,0,'u_17','',0),(1196,0,17,0,'',1072585881,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','I look forward to the pics. A guy I sell hay to goes to upstate NY on a regular basis and could haul it back for me, so I think I got that part covered.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\n\r\nChris','',0,0,'gA==','200djvhc',0,0,'u_17','',0),(1200,0,254,0,'',1072638914,1,1,1,1,'Re: 406 grinder','[quote:37z0wg8i]I look forward to the pics. A guy I sell hay to goes to upstate NY on a regular basis and could haul it back for me, so I think I got that part covered.\n\nThanks,\n\nChris\n\nChris \nok well i will have some pic I hope this week.\nGreg\n[/quote:37z0wg8i]','',0,0,'gA==','37z0wg8i',0,0,'u_254','',0),(1203,0,442,0,'',1072651527,1,1,1,1,'Re: 310 engine','I live in Northeast Nebraska.  I have an oliver 88 and would like to pull it in our 3000 rpm class.  The class has a 360ci limit and a 3LM turbo limit.  The weight would be 5500 and 6500 lbs.  The 88 does not have an engine so I am looking for a 310 to turbo charge.  I have located a 283 but it has a hole out the side of the block.  I have a 4020 I pull in the heavy classes and would like to pull in the lighter ones also, so I thought the oliver would be a good choice. My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:jkoepke@ptcnet.net\">jkoepke@ptcnet.net</a><!-- e --> thanks for any help.','',0,0,'gA==','3abqw9e8',0,0,'u_442','',0),(1204,0,442,0,'',1072651527,1,1,1,1,'Re: 310 engine','I live in Northeast Nebraska.  I have an oliver 88 and would like to pull it in our 3000 rpm class.  The class has a 360ci limit and a 3LM turbo limit.  The weight would be 5500 and 6500 lbs.  The 88 does not have an engine so I am looking for a 310 to turbo charge.  I have located a 283 but it has a hole out the side of the block.  I have a 4020 I pull in the heavy classes and would like to pull in the lighter ones also, so I thought the oliver would be a good choice. My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:jkoepke@ptcnet.net\">jkoepke@ptcnet.net</a><!-- e --> thanks for any help.','',0,0,'gA==','3abqw9e8',0,0,'u_442','',0),(1205,0,35,0,'',1072670559,1,1,1,1,'crawler','John\r\nThanks for the information. I have a photo and Nebraska data for the agricultural E tested in 35. Send me your address and I will mail these to you. I tried to scan but the photo is too faded and the data too small.\r\nHAPPY NEW YEAR!\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','hzoqsk3d',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1206,0,35,0,'',1072670559,1,1,1,1,'crawler','John\r\nThanks for the information. I have a photo and Nebraska data for the agricultural E tested in 35. Send me your address and I will mail these to you. I tried to scan but the photo is too faded and the data too small.\r\nHAPPY NEW YEAR!\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','hzoqsk3d',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1214,0,438,0,'',1072749521,1,1,1,1,'Re: HG Parts','[quote:1t784dz4]Where are you located?Two salvage yards sent me information on all the HG &amp; other small Oliver crawlers they have. If you are looking for an engine you need an IX 3 gear hercules not the 5 gear. Send me an e-mail and I will try to help you more. John[/quote:1t784dz4]','',0,0,'gA==','1t784dz4',0,0,'u_438','',0),(1217,0,438,0,'',1072750354,1,1,1,1,'Re: HG Parts','[quote:26olli02]Where are you located?Two salvage yards sent me information on all the HG &amp; other small Oliver crawlers they have. If you are looking for an engine you need an IX 3 gear hercules not the 5 gear. Send me an e-mail and I will try to help you more. John[/quote:26olli02] John ,sorry bout the first u2u.I live in eastern KY. Any help you can give would be great! Thanks,Dwayne','',0,0,'gA==','26olli02',0,0,'u_438','',0),(1218,0,438,0,'',1072750354,1,1,1,1,'Re: HG Parts','[quote:26olli02]Where are you located?Two salvage yards sent me information on all the HG &amp; other small Oliver crawlers they have. If you are looking for an engine you need an IX 3 gear hercules not the 5 gear. Send me an e-mail and I will try to help you more. John[/quote:26olli02] John ,sorry bout the first u2u.I live in eastern KY. Any help you can give would be great! Thanks,Dwayne','',0,0,'gA==','26olli02',0,0,'u_438','',0),(1226,0,438,0,'',1072863391,1,1,1,1,'Re: HG Parts','[quote:it48owke][quote:it48owke][quote:it48owke]Where are you located?Two salvage yards sent me information on all the HG &amp; other small Oliver crawlers they have. If you are looking for an engine you need an IX 3 gear hercules not the 5 gear. Send me an e-mail and I will try to help you more. John[/quote:it48owke] John ,sorry bout the first u2u.I live in eastern KY. Any help you can give would be great! Thanks,Dwayne[/quote:it48owke][/quote:it48owke]O. K» Will try to work on that  Friday. Send me an e-mail at : <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:aschwieb@bright.net\">aschwieb@bright.net</a><!-- e --> with all your needs.[/quote/              John I\'m gonna have to have everything from the raidator back to the bellhousing and clutches.','',0,0,'gA==','it48owke',0,0,'u_438','',0),(1230,0,254,0,'',1073003023,1,1,1,1,'Re: Brakes','[quote:35t2h6hq]Keep me informed one way or the other, I have my books put a way for right now going by Memory. Happy New Year Greg![/quote:35t2h6hq]\r\n\r\nJohn I will I have to pick up the disks tomarrow on my lunch .Thanks Happy New year to you too.\r\nGreg','',0,0,'gA==','35t2h6hq',0,0,'u_254','',0),(1240,0,37,0,'',1073150674,1,1,1,1,'Re: oliver equipment','[quote:1sroxz6x]Plows is 1 item that seems to be abundant. I picked up a 2 furrow and a 3 furrow for $50, dollars a piece. I am more interested in the rotary cutter. Where are you from? Would there be a picture available?\nE-mail me at  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:oliverorchard@hotmail.com\">oliverorchard@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->\nI live in EAst Tn I don\'t have any pictures but I could try. My e-mail is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:milkhand@bellsouth.net\">milkhand@bellsouth.net</a><!-- e -->  Sorry for the delay\nRichard[/quote:1sroxz6x]','',0,0,'gA==','1sroxz6x',0,0,'u_37','',0),(1241,0,450,0,'',1073172826,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 38 Grain Drill','John, went out and measured-spacing is 6\". On the inside of the left hand cover is the words\"Capacity\" and \"Bushel per foot\"painted in 6\" yellow letters. \r\nThe only way that I know that this is a model 38 is by the Sowing chart. On top it says Model 38 Drill 6\"--7\"--8\" spacings. How many transmissions did the one you looked at have? Mine it ground lift, not hydraulic. How about that one?','',0,0,'gA==','22b5z2os',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1245,0,450,0,'',1073174833,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 38 Drill','John, now we are having computer troubles too. Your U2U won\'t work and now my e-mail won\'t work. I don\'t know what to say.','',0,0,'gA==','3o8ccvcv',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1247,0,366,0,'',1073191594,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 1800 LPG','Hey frank, I just bought an 1964 1800 LPG yesterday. The motor runs great and seems as there are no major problems except that the tilt steering lock? is missing or not working and some minor oil leaks that can probably be fixed by tightening some bolts and fittings. \r\n\r\n I paid $3700 for it and thought that was pretty good deal. Hahah being as this is the first really big Oliver we have owned ( or any tractor for that matter I wasn\'t ready to watch it use fuel!hahaha However we run it for like 3 hours today and it used a little less than 10% so i guess that is ok.  \r\n\r\n Now that I have rambled on. The lever for the three point will not stay in the down position. You can push it down and it will work but it immediatly comes back up on its own.  HOw was friction held onto them si that this didn\'t happen? Springs or friction plates or what?  Also I tried the hydraulics and it wouldn\'t pick up our disk but I think that the fittings are wrong cause it lifted a HEAVY 3 point bush hog fine and I could see the hydraulic hoses being pressurized when I moved the levers.\r\n \r\n any suggestions on the three point lever?','',0,0,'gA==','3ldwa772',0,0,'u_366','',0),(1248,0,366,0,'',1073191594,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 1800 LPG','Hey frank, I just bought an 1964 1800 LPG yesterday. The motor runs great and seems as there are no major problems except that the tilt steering lock? is missing or not working and some minor oil leaks that can probably be fixed by tightening some bolts and fittings. \r\n\r\n I paid $3700 for it and thought that was pretty good deal. Hahah being as this is the first really big Oliver we have owned ( or any tractor for that matter I wasn\'t ready to watch it use fuel!hahaha However we run it for like 3 hours today and it used a little less than 10% so i guess that is ok.  \r\n\r\n Now that I have rambled on. The lever for the three point will not stay in the down position. You can push it down and it will work but it immediatly comes back up on its own.  HOw was friction held onto them si that this didn\'t happen? Springs or friction plates or what?  Also I tried the hydraulics and it wouldn\'t pick up our disk but I think that the fittings are wrong cause it lifted a HEAVY 3 point bush hog fine and I could see the hydraulic hoses being pressurized when I moved the levers.\r\n \r\n any suggestions on the three point lever?','',0,0,'gA==','3ldwa772',0,0,'u_366','',0),(1260,0,35,0,'',1073258029,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 1800 LPG','[quote:ez3uvjd5]  Hey frank, I just bought an 1964 1800 LPG yesterday. The motor runs great and seems as there are no major problems except that the tilt steering lock? is missing or not working and some minor oil leaks that can probably be fixed by tightening some bolts and fittings. \n\n I paid $3700 for it and thought that was pretty good deal. Hahah being as this is the first really big Oliver we have owned ( or any tractor for that matter I wasn\'t ready to watch it use fuel!hahaha However we run it for like 3 hours today and it used a little less than 10% so i guess that is ok.  \n\n Now that I have rambled on. The lever for the three point will not stay in the down position. You can push it down and it will work but it immediatly comes back up on its own.  HOw was friction held onto them si that this didn\'t happen? Springs or friction plates or what?  Also I tried the hydraulics and it wouldn\'t pick up our disk but I think that the fittings are wrong cause it lifted a HEAVY 3 point bush hog fine and I could see the hydraulic hoses being pressurized when I moved the levers.\n \n any suggestions on the three point lever? [/quote:ez3uvjd5]\r\n\r\nYou did get a good deal since the LP Olivers are hard to find. Is it a factory or field conversion LP and where did you come by it? As for your question I may be shooting in the dark since we never handled the larger Olivers. I think the control lever is held in position by a spring loaded friction disc. It can be adjusted by a stop nut located under the lever by either loosening or tightening. If you still have problems or the info I gave you is inaccurate give John Schwiebert a U2U message. He is checking this forum daily and is one of the most knowledgabe people I know. He is always glad to help. Good luck and let me know how it turns out.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','ez3uvjd5',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1263,0,450,0,'',1073267237,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 38 Drill','John, my mailing address is:\r\n\r\nRyan Petersen\r\n37579 Co. Rd. 175\r\nBelgrade MN 56312','',0,0,'gA==','3i5cm383',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1265,0,450,0,'',1073267793,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 38 Drill','John, Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to try and figure this out. This is sort of a mystery to me. I will be looking forward to that page in the mail. Hopefully we can figure this out. Also I see that Frank Dodson said that his 1946 ad showed model 38 drill. His 49-50 ad does not show the model 38. The water is about is dirty as mud now! Your serial # list is not jiving w/ his ads so this could be very interesting.(grin) Oh well, like you said, its good entertainment.','',0,0,'gA==','lb2eoo1x',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1267,0,64,0,'',1073273950,1,1,1,1,'Oliver equipment','You mention a rotary cutter, is this the same as a 2 row stalk shredder? If so, is it an Oliver?  Also, where are you from?  Hopefully you are close to myself. Dubuque, IA.','',0,0,'gA==','3tiyjnjq',0,0,'u_64','',0),(1268,0,64,0,'',1073273950,1,1,1,1,'Oliver equipment','You mention a rotary cutter, is this the same as a 2 row stalk shredder? If so, is it an Oliver?  Also, where are you from?  Hopefully you are close to myself. Dubuque, IA.','',0,0,'gA==','3tiyjnjq',0,0,'u_64','',0),(1276,0,37,0,'',1073440687,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1655','[quote:rtp2x304]do u have any other parts like fuel pumps or etc.  And where r u ?\n\nmike[/quote:rtp2x304]I have one pump but I think it is junk. I have some motor parts and some 1650 sheetmetal and a perkins and a 2105 tub as well as an 1850 rolling. I live in Whitesburg Tn East Tn','',0,0,'gA==','rtp2x304',0,0,'u_37','',0),(1281,0,407,0,'',1073748985,1,1,1,1,'','Hey Sherry, Why don\'t we start our own magazine so then we could get it on time:)\r\nI like many others, have been very upset for the last few months. I wrote in to the magazine when I was 12 and was going to right again but I said *@%* it now. I guess i\'ve been at college too long. I still support poeple like you and Landis who have been active in the organization from the start. Thank youfor the wonderful job you have done, Adam Whyte','',0,0,'gA==','3u1ydach',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1282,0,407,0,'',1073748985,1,1,1,1,'','Hey Sherry, Why don\'t we start our own magazine so then we could get it on time:)\r\nI like many others, have been very upset for the last few months. I wrote in to the magazine when I was 12 and was going to right again but I said *@%* it now. I guess i\'ve been at college too long. I still support poeple like you and Landis who have been active in the organization from the start. Thank youfor the wonderful job you have done, Adam Whyte','',0,0,'gA==','3u1ydach',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1284,0,26,0,'',1073774204,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Adam,\r\nThanks for your support.  I\'m about fed up with the BS that they\'re stirring too.  There are a dozen people who have despised me for years (jealousy) and just can\'t leave anything else alone.  I\'m seriously considering starting a magazine of my own but I wasn\'t sure how the membership would feel about it.  I don\'t want it to seem like I\'m doing it out of spite because that\'s not it. I would do it because it\'s what I love doing.  Why should I  be told that I can\'t do what I enjoy?  \r\n\r\nIf I had enough support from the Oliver collectors, I\'d start my own magazine.  Need to know how they feel first.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','181paj26',0,0,'u_26','',0),(1285,0,407,0,'',1073782528,1,1,1,1,'mag','Well you\'d get one subscription anyway. Sorry I had to respond to thier crap, what can I say, I like this website but really don\'t care for some of the users I guess. I\'ve only been on a month or two and held my breath this long. I don\'t know why,its none of my buisness but I guess I cannot stand that sort of thing and I\'m a wise ass at times.  \r\nI always enjoyed your input and I know you are probably the most knowlegeable on Oliver. I\'ve seen your product and I have to say that I do not believe anybody else can fill your shoes nor should, unless you wanted it that is. My friend Ed Nagledinger and the other few collectors I see on a regular basis would probably subscribe too. Us New York boys get pissed when somebody changes something to our disliking.I have to say that I am embarrased to be a part of this organization at this point due to the lack of good judgement and politeness on behalf of our committies and members. Not my say though, I\'m just a dumb scraper operator. Good luck, let me know if anything comes up or if you need any help I\'d be glad to do it. -Adam Whyte','',0,0,'gA==','2t1cactl',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1286,0,407,0,'',1073782528,1,1,1,1,'mag','Well you\'d get one subscription anyway. Sorry I had to respond to thier crap, what can I say, I like this website but really don\'t care for some of the users I guess. I\'ve only been on a month or two and held my breath this long. I don\'t know why,its none of my buisness but I guess I cannot stand that sort of thing and I\'m a wise ass at times.  \r\nI always enjoyed your input and I know you are probably the most knowlegeable on Oliver. I\'ve seen your product and I have to say that I do not believe anybody else can fill your shoes nor should, unless you wanted it that is. My friend Ed Nagledinger and the other few collectors I see on a regular basis would probably subscribe too. Us New York boys get pissed when somebody changes something to our disliking.I have to say that I am embarrased to be a part of this organization at this point due to the lack of good judgement and politeness on behalf of our committies and members. Not my say though, I\'m just a dumb scraper operator. Good luck, let me know if anything comes up or if you need any help I\'d be glad to do it. -Adam Whyte','',0,0,'gA==','2t1cactl',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1287,0,450,0,'',1073788598,1,1,1,1,'Have you sent it?','Hi John, Have you sent the serial # List for the Oliver 38 Drill yet? Was just thinkin about that tonight so I thought I \'d ask. BTW, where are you located?','',0,0,'gA==','tpnd5lw3',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1289,0,366,0,'',1073794143,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 1800 LPG','Sorry it is late getting back to you . It is a factory LP tractor as it is stamped in the serial tag that way. I think I figured out he fuel issue too. Both valves have liquid stamped on them but I think I was running that instead of vapor. I used the other valve today and it started and ran alot better.  Heck i might even bring it to Atwood this year:)  What is your email adddress? mine is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:joliver@aeneas.net\">joliver@aeneas.net</a><!-- e -->. Might be easier to keep in touch that way .\r\n\r\n[quote:3k3pgdsp][quote:3k3pgdsp]  Hey frank, I just bought an 1964 1800 LPG yesterday. The motor runs great and seems as there are no major problems except that the tilt steering lock? is missing or not working and some minor oil leaks that can probably be fixed by tightening some bolts and fittings. \n\n I paid $3700 for it and thought that was pretty good deal. Hahah being as this is the first really big Oliver we have owned ( or any tractor for that matter I wasn\'t ready to watch it use fuel!hahaha However we run it for like 3 hours today and it used a little less than 10% so i guess that is ok.  \n\n Now that I have rambled on. The lever for the three point will not stay in the down position. You can push it down and it will work but it immediatly comes back up on its own.  HOw was friction held onto them si that this didn\'t happen? Springs or friction plates or what?  Also I tried the hydraulics and it wouldn\'t pick up our disk but I think that the fittings are wrong cause it lifted a HEAVY 3 point bush hog fine and I could see the hydraulic hoses being pressurized when I moved the levers.\n \n any suggestions on the three point lever? [/quote:3k3pgdsp]\n\nYou did get a good deal since the LP Olivers are hard to find. Is it a factory or field conversion LP and where did you come by it? As for your question I may be shooting in the dark since we never handled the larger Olivers. I think the control lever is held in position by a spring loaded friction disc. It can be adjusted by a stop nut located under the lever by either loosening or tightening. If you still have problems or the info I gave you is inaccurate give John Schwiebert a U2U message. He is checking this forum daily and is one of the most knowledgabe people I know. He is always glad to help. Good luck and let me know how it turns out.\nFrank[/quote:3k3pgdsp]','',0,0,'gA==','3k3pgdsp',0,0,'u_366','',0),(1290,0,366,0,'',1073794143,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 1800 LPG','Sorry it is late getting back to you . It is a factory LP tractor as it is stamped in the serial tag that way. I think I figured out he fuel issue too. Both valves have liquid stamped on them but I think I was running that instead of vapor. I used the other valve today and it started and ran alot better.  Heck i might even bring it to Atwood this year:)  What is your email adddress? mine is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:joliver@aeneas.net\">joliver@aeneas.net</a><!-- e -->. Might be easier to keep in touch that way .\r\n\r\n[quote:3k3pgdsp][quote:3k3pgdsp]  Hey frank, I just bought an 1964 1800 LPG yesterday. The motor runs great and seems as there are no major problems except that the tilt steering lock? is missing or not working and some minor oil leaks that can probably be fixed by tightening some bolts and fittings. \n\n I paid $3700 for it and thought that was pretty good deal. Hahah being as this is the first really big Oliver we have owned ( or any tractor for that matter I wasn\'t ready to watch it use fuel!hahaha However we run it for like 3 hours today and it used a little less than 10% so i guess that is ok.  \n\n Now that I have rambled on. The lever for the three point will not stay in the down position. You can push it down and it will work but it immediatly comes back up on its own.  HOw was friction held onto them si that this didn\'t happen? Springs or friction plates or what?  Also I tried the hydraulics and it wouldn\'t pick up our disk but I think that the fittings are wrong cause it lifted a HEAVY 3 point bush hog fine and I could see the hydraulic hoses being pressurized when I moved the levers.\n \n any suggestions on the three point lever? [/quote:3k3pgdsp]\n\nYou did get a good deal since the LP Olivers are hard to find. Is it a factory or field conversion LP and where did you come by it? As for your question I may be shooting in the dark since we never handled the larger Olivers. I think the control lever is held in position by a spring loaded friction disc. It can be adjusted by a stop nut located under the lever by either loosening or tightening. If you still have problems or the info I gave you is inaccurate give John Schwiebert a U2U message. He is checking this forum daily and is one of the most knowledgabe people I know. He is always glad to help. Good luck and let me know how it turns out.\nFrank[/quote:3k3pgdsp]','',0,0,'gA==','3k3pgdsp',0,0,'u_366','',0),(1292,0,35,0,'',1073857939,1,1,1,1,'email','Bring that Lp to Atwood and also to Jackson third Sat. in June. Email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dodsonf@bellsouth.net\">dodsonf@bellsouth.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','1x78nyfg',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1295,0,407,0,'',1074011474,1,1,1,1,'','Oliver collage woman, sweet.','',0,0,'gA==','2xfxv0eg',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1296,0,407,0,'',1074011474,1,1,1,1,'','Oliver collage woman, sweet.','',0,0,'gA==','2xfxv0eg',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1297,0,407,0,'',1074023757,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 80 valves','I was wondering what John Deere model uses similar valves as the 80. My guides are bad on one head, I just bought 2 rc\'s a 38 and a 39 and a 40 std  that all need work; valves/1 set sleeves/pistons/etc. Makes 6 80\'s for me and I am hope to have them all fixed up, 2 are done one just needs paint. Any help would be greatly appreciated-Adam','',0,0,'gA==','2ab52hud',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1298,0,407,0,'',1074023757,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 80 valves','I was wondering what John Deere model uses similar valves as the 80. My guides are bad on one head, I just bought 2 rc\'s a 38 and a 39 and a 40 std  that all need work; valves/1 set sleeves/pistons/etc. Makes 6 80\'s for me and I am hope to have them all fixed up, 2 are done one just needs paint. Any help would be greatly appreciated-Adam','',0,0,'gA==','2ab52hud',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1303,0,142,0,'',1074116271,1,1,1,1,'','Chris,\r\n     I see that all of the posts under \"Magazine\" subject of HPOCA forum have been deleted, mine included.  You said that it was requested that they be deleted under rule #2.  I am not happy that my post was included in this as I do not see it as a personal attack.  Nevertheless, I hope that the subject will be dropped as it was getting pretty nasty...  Anyways maybe you could give me an explination at your convenience?  Please don\'t think that I\'m harping on you for this, as its not my intent.  I understand how hard it must be to monitor this webpage aside from all your other responsibilities as magazine editor.  Contrary to what some people seem to think, I think you will do a fine job and just need the chance to prove yourself.  So if you could, please write me back.\r\n                                        Dana Allen','',0,0,'gA==','2yplcw2i',0,0,'u_142','',0),(1304,0,142,0,'',1074116271,1,1,1,1,'','Chris,\r\n     I see that all of the posts under \"Magazine\" subject of HPOCA forum have been deleted, mine included.  You said that it was requested that they be deleted under rule #2.  I am not happy that my post was included in this as I do not see it as a personal attack.  Nevertheless, I hope that the subject will be dropped as it was getting pretty nasty...  Anyways maybe you could give me an explination at your convenience?  Please don\'t think that I\'m harping on you for this, as its not my intent.  I understand how hard it must be to monitor this webpage aside from all your other responsibilities as magazine editor.  Contrary to what some people seem to think, I think you will do a fine job and just need the chance to prove yourself.  So if you could, please write me back.\r\n                                        Dana Allen','',0,0,'gA==','2yplcw2i',0,0,'u_142','',0),(1307,0,142,0,'',1074120105,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Chris,\r\nThanks for your reply, and I agree with your decision totally.  I hope that people do calm down, but the ones posting seem like the type to argue with everything no matter how reasonable it is.  I can\'t imagine how much heat you must take for trying to regulate things, besides being the new editor.  Again thanks for writing back.\r\n                                           Dana','',0,0,'gA==','3mlzhjyq',0,0,'u_142','',0),(1308,0,142,0,'',1074120105,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Chris,\r\nThanks for your reply, and I agree with your decision totally.  I hope that people do calm down, but the ones posting seem like the type to argue with everything no matter how reasonable it is.  I can\'t imagine how much heat you must take for trying to regulate things, besides being the new editor.  Again thanks for writing back.\r\n                                           Dana','',0,0,'gA==','3mlzhjyq',0,0,'u_142','',0),(1309,0,407,0,'',1074125654,1,1,1,1,'reply','Cool, I got my senior pictures by a tree and the erie canal. Lame-o Why didn\'t I do that? Oh well. Nice to see an active young woman in the club. The last time I helped out was at the Canandaigua NY show which is 15min from me. I go to college there now, I changed majors so I have floated around. I\'ve been going to shows since Dover in 96, been a member since late 94. I think I\'ve only been to 5 shows and a couple get togethers though. I\'m cornered here in New York. I have been a director of a local tractor club/show and vice president as well. My dad is vice president of the Canandaigua show for a couple years now. I go to a community college now. I was going to state college for Earth Science Education but decided to switch to Buisness Management and take over my father\'s bulldozing buisness. No wise cracking kids just dirt and steel. Have fun at class, I still have a few weeks. Thats why I\'m bored and on the internet and its -14 degrees out. I was starting to loose my cool with some of these people. Thanks for agreeing though. I thought maybe I was nuts for a bit. Thinking maybe I should run for a board position, prolly a little bigger than student council or being senior class prez!Well nice talkin to ya, gotta finish a 70 standard project I started in the shop. -- Adam Whyte\r\n-P.S. sorry about the English or lack there of in places, my typing takes over at times!','',0,0,'gA==','1b876p4e',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1310,0,407,0,'',1074125654,1,1,1,1,'reply','Cool, I got my senior pictures by a tree and the erie canal. Lame-o Why didn\'t I do that? Oh well. Nice to see an active young woman in the club. The last time I helped out was at the Canandaigua NY show which is 15min from me. I go to college there now, I changed majors so I have floated around. I\'ve been going to shows since Dover in 96, been a member since late 94. I think I\'ve only been to 5 shows and a couple get togethers though. I\'m cornered here in New York. I have been a director of a local tractor club/show and vice president as well. My dad is vice president of the Canandaigua show for a couple years now. I go to a community college now. I was going to state college for Earth Science Education but decided to switch to Buisness Management and take over my father\'s bulldozing buisness. No wise cracking kids just dirt and steel. Have fun at class, I still have a few weeks. Thats why I\'m bored and on the internet and its -14 degrees out. I was starting to loose my cool with some of these people. Thanks for agreeing though. I thought maybe I was nuts for a bit. Thinking maybe I should run for a board position, prolly a little bigger than student council or being senior class prez!Well nice talkin to ya, gotta finish a 70 standard project I started in the shop. -- Adam Whyte\r\n-P.S. sorry about the English or lack there of in places, my typing takes over at times!','',0,0,'gA==','1b876p4e',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1311,0,450,0,'',1074129876,1,1,1,1,'Best Tractor Ever Made','John, I couldn\'t agree more, the 1600 Diesel was( in my opinion) one of the best tractors Oliver ever made. Ours is used as mainly a loader tractor now, but has been used for many things in the past. It was bought new in Spring of \'63 by grandpa. Used as the main tractor doing all of our tillage on 310 acres. 1977 was replaced by a 2-135 White, and became secondary tractor, used for silo blower, corn planter, rock picker, haybine, and occasional field work.1980, complete overhaul at 8,900 hrs.  Used as a secondary tractor until about 1990. Put a loader on it in 1990, and it has had a loader on it ever since. Still gets used on rock picker, manure spreader and silo blower. Gets started every day of the year to feed all of our cattle hay. The diesel starts better than all of my other diesels, it is also amazing how little fuel it burns. Having nearly 16,000 hours in it, it is starting to show alot of wear. However it still starts excellent and uses not a drop of  oil. That engine just will not die! I have to say that this is one tractor i am proud of, and someday when it dies, if it ever does, it will get the restoration and long awaited retirement it deserves.','',0,0,'gA==','3j3irry2',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1315,0,407,0,'',1074141443,1,1,1,1,'disappearing','I wasn\'t sure if you were meaning my interpretation was screwed up or the administration. It wasn\'t bad but I did state in it I agreed with cookieoliverman but added that someone (Oliver66) with those kinds of words toward someone else should at least put thier name by it. Cowardly I thought. I had it worded better. Sorry just a dumb kid,  Adam','',0,0,'gA==','1acryh2g',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1316,0,407,0,'',1074141443,1,1,1,1,'disappearing','I wasn\'t sure if you were meaning my interpretation was screwed up or the administration. It wasn\'t bad but I did state in it I agreed with cookieoliverman but added that someone (Oliver66) with those kinds of words toward someone else should at least put thier name by it. Cowardly I thought. I had it worded better. Sorry just a dumb kid,  Adam','',0,0,'gA==','1acryh2g',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1320,0,26,0,'',1074169915,1,1,1,1,'Bad board','Danny,\r\nI can tell you for a fact that our treasurer insulted the executive director of another major museum so bad that the director let our president have an earful the next time he called her.  Then the treasurer sent her flowers to try to suck up to her.  That only made matters worse as this is an extremely intelligent woman and this only made her more upset that the treasurer thought she could be bought off with flowers. He never did apologize...thought the flowers should take care of everything.  The director told me this herself, so it is absolutely the truth.  There are many instances similar to this one.  Our board is not representing the HPOCA in a good way right now.  I couldn\'t say anything before for fear of losing my job.  Didn\'t seem to make much difference though.  Still lost it.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','2j0podnv',0,0,'u_26','',0),(1323,0,424,0,'',1074212680,1,1,1,1,'Reported post...','The following post has been reported by a user, please inspect it: <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.hartparroliver.org/forum/index.phpviewthread.php?tid=451#pid1724\">http://www.hartparroliver.org/forum/ind ... 51#pid1724</a><!-- m --> \n\nReason: Andy\r\nI am now on line with the By-laws forum.\r\n\r\nLee Smith','',0,0,'gA==','26e0zcju',0,0,'u_424','',0),(1325,0,26,0,'',1074217124,1,1,1,1,'Re: Bad board','Danny,\r\nNothing you can say will effect our board.  They are heartless and have no feelings.  My e-mail address is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:sshpoca@consolidated.net\">sshpoca@consolidated.net</a><!-- e -->.  That is MY address and no one has access to it.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','2vi0nfj6',0,0,'u_26','',0),(1328,0,407,0,'',1074229278,1,1,1,1,'olivers and such','I\'ve decided to make my tractors my main focus vs. talking on the forum, besides this feature. Cool major you have, all I had to take was 1 semester of computer science though, mostly accounting, relations, and management in my major. I\'ll have a degree in December and I have not decided if I should continue with Earth Sci. or not. I don\'t care to be in college 6 yrs. either though. I already get wise guys telling me I look old anyway. People think I\'m around 26 for some reason vs. 21. I don\'t know. Could be my hieght, goatee, prolly the goatee though. I was a volleyball player in High school, a wrestler in my early years. I realized I was too tall for my wieght, although I\'m not a bean pole either. 6 ft, not extremly tall, avg, dont think I\'m like Shaq or something. It was just the fact that I was 6 ft when I was 15. Lately I don\'t play sports, weight lift at times, mostly too busy though. I work on a dairy farm through school, last year I was a mechanic for a tractor trailer co. at my other college. I prolly had the most fun I ever had at a job there. Mechanics and farming/bulldozing are what I enjoy though. I live here on a small 100 acre farm with barns packed with olivers. My dad and I crop farm when we have time. All farmed with old olivers. Well If you want to talk, e-mail me <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:brockway257t@yahoo.com\">brockway257t@yahoo.com</a><!-- e --> or my screenname is Brockway361, named after a truck I have made where I used to go to school in Cortland NY. Have fun, I\'m just watching again to see what else will unfold. Adam Whyte','',0,0,'gA==','qevzqy6w',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1329,0,407,0,'',1074229278,1,1,1,1,'olivers and such','I\'ve decided to make my tractors my main focus vs. talking on the forum, besides this feature. Cool major you have, all I had to take was 1 semester of computer science though, mostly accounting, relations, and management in my major. I\'ll have a degree in December and I have not decided if I should continue with Earth Sci. or not. I don\'t care to be in college 6 yrs. either though. I already get wise guys telling me I look old anyway. People think I\'m around 26 for some reason vs. 21. I don\'t know. Could be my hieght, goatee, prolly the goatee though. I was a volleyball player in High school, a wrestler in my early years. I realized I was too tall for my wieght, although I\'m not a bean pole either. 6 ft, not extremly tall, avg, dont think I\'m like Shaq or something. It was just the fact that I was 6 ft when I was 15. Lately I don\'t play sports, weight lift at times, mostly too busy though. I work on a dairy farm through school, last year I was a mechanic for a tractor trailer co. at my other college. I prolly had the most fun I ever had at a job there. Mechanics and farming/bulldozing are what I enjoy though. I live here on a small 100 acre farm with barns packed with olivers. My dad and I crop farm when we have time. All farmed with old olivers. Well If you want to talk, e-mail me <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:brockway257t@yahoo.com\">brockway257t@yahoo.com</a><!-- e --> or my screenname is Brockway361, named after a truck I have made where I used to go to school in Cortland NY. Have fun, I\'m just watching again to see what else will unfold. Adam Whyte','',0,0,'gA==','qevzqy6w',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1330,0,407,0,'',1074299710,1,1,1,1,'my last post','I would prefer my last post which was deleted to remain deleted. At the time I meant it as a joke but after thought I realize it can be taken offensively.','',0,0,'gA==','3v25a52i',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1331,0,407,0,'',1074299710,1,1,1,1,'my last post','I would prefer my last post which was deleted to remain deleted. At the time I meant it as a joke but after thought I realize it can be taken offensively.','',0,0,'gA==','3v25a52i',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1334,0,407,0,'',1074305059,1,1,1,1,'Re: my last post','Well I am greatly dissapointed at myself for that comment, I made it before going to work, frustrated, and after thinking about it decided it was about the dumbest thing I\'ve ever said. I am a student, and I am a member of this organization, still recieve the magazine anyway, has 2 year renewal. I do wish very much I could take the statement back. I believe it will fuel the fire, and I also believe I have acted stupidly by fueling the fire with that statement. I do respect your decision, I do not wish to argue with anyone anymore. I love these old tractors, it is my livelyhood. I will apologize when it is posted and I will no longer participate in this forum. It has caused to much grief for me and it has taken me from a happy go lucky collector to a mess of regret on my part. I am truly sorry for the inconvenience, I wish you better conversations to watch over, \r\nSincerely, Adam Whyte\r\n\r\nNYAdam21,\r\n\r\nI can understand why you would want to have it removed, but it stays. Instead of removing it, how about an explaination of your intentions and an apology. A post like this might be the one that shows that cooler heads can prevail.\r\n\r\nBy the way, if you are the Adam from Phelps, New York, member number 10005374, your membership appears to have expired in the year 2000. If this is in error, let me know.\r\n\r\nChris\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:20i11buh]I would prefer my last post which was deleted to remain deleted. At the time I meant it as a joke but after thought I realize it can be taken offensively. [/quote:20i11buh][/quote]','',0,0,'gA==','20i11buh',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1335,0,407,0,'',1074305059,1,1,1,1,'Re: my last post','Well I am greatly dissapointed at myself for that comment, I made it before going to work, frustrated, and after thinking about it decided it was about the dumbest thing I\'ve ever said. I am a student, and I am a member of this organization, still recieve the magazine anyway, has 2 year renewal. I do wish very much I could take the statement back. I believe it will fuel the fire, and I also believe I have acted stupidly by fueling the fire with that statement. I do respect your decision, I do not wish to argue with anyone anymore. I love these old tractors, it is my livelyhood. I will apologize when it is posted and I will no longer participate in this forum. It has caused to much grief for me and it has taken me from a happy go lucky collector to a mess of regret on my part. I am truly sorry for the inconvenience, I wish you better conversations to watch over, \r\nSincerely, Adam Whyte\r\n\r\nNYAdam21,\r\n\r\nI can understand why you would want to have it removed, but it stays. Instead of removing it, how about an explaination of your intentions and an apology. A post like this might be the one that shows that cooler heads can prevail.\r\n\r\nBy the way, if you are the Adam from Phelps, New York, member number 10005374, your membership appears to have expired in the year 2000. If this is in error, let me know.\r\n\r\nChris\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:20i11buh]I would prefer my last post which was deleted to remain deleted. At the time I meant it as a joke but after thought I realize it can be taken offensively. [/quote:20i11buh][/quote]','',0,0,'gA==','20i11buh',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1336,0,407,0,'',1074306514,1,1,1,1,'member #','My membership is with my families, 2000 something, I live in the same house, Newark address though, town of phelps. That could be why, funny you have a phelps address with my name though?...I have no clue on that one. Would that be an issue if 2 people from the same household have seperate names on the forum? Just thought of that.-Adam','',0,0,'gA==','2cx56smt',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1337,0,407,0,'',1074306514,1,1,1,1,'member #','My membership is with my families, 2000 something, I live in the same house, Newark address though, town of phelps. That could be why, funny you have a phelps address with my name though?...I have no clue on that one. Would that be an issue if 2 people from the same household have seperate names on the forum? Just thought of that.-Adam','',0,0,'gA==','2cx56smt',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1360,0,450,0,'',1074692290,1,1,1,1,'Try This Again','John, as I said it has a 8 roll husking bed, and is set for wide rows. It has snapping rolls, not stripper bars. Seems to run very smooth. Bought it from original owner. Did you work at a dealership in the past? or where have you obtained all of your helpful information? Thanks for the help.','',0,0,'gA==','np7a4yrc',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1362,0,407,0,'',1074704443,1,1,1,1,'Thanks','Well I thank you for the message. I guess I had some growing up to do here. I very much look forward to the magazine. I see a man on here looks to be in need of some parts and I\'ve been wanting to help him so I will. I figured I got alot of people upset and thats not what I wanted, just want to talk about old tractors cause its not quite as fun with just a bunch of old tractors and no people to share stories with. I guess for me it put things in perspective. Thanks again, Adam','',0,0,'gA==','2nsjqhxg',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1363,0,407,0,'',1074704443,1,1,1,1,'Thanks','Well I thank you for the message. I guess I had some growing up to do here. I very much look forward to the magazine. I see a man on here looks to be in need of some parts and I\'ve been wanting to help him so I will. I figured I got alot of people upset and thats not what I wanted, just want to talk about old tractors cause its not quite as fun with just a bunch of old tractors and no people to share stories with. I guess for me it put things in perspective. Thanks again, Adam','',0,0,'gA==','2nsjqhxg',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1364,0,473,0,'',1074732842,1,1,1,1,'perkins diesel unknown','I would like some info on a perkins diesel that I posted in another forum.  And you told me to come here and u2u you.  Oh ya the engine doesnt have spark plugs.  lol','',0,0,'gA==','1w085k7l',0,0,'u_473','',0),(1365,0,473,0,'',1074732842,1,1,1,1,'perkins diesel unknown','I would like some info on a perkins diesel that I posted in another forum.  And you told me to come here and u2u you.  Oh ya the engine doesnt have spark plugs.  lol','',0,0,'gA==','1w085k7l',0,0,'u_473','',0),(1372,0,450,0,'',1074737619,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 83 Corn Picker','John, you were lucky to be able to work at a dealership from 60-76. Boy, I can only imagine the experiences you must have had working at a place like that. I\'m sure you also learned alot there too. Sounds like alot of fun. BTW, I recieved your serial # list for the Oliver drill. By the looks of it mine is a 1951. Seems funny to me. I thought for sure that it was alot older than that. Maybe they made an Oliver Superior 38 Drill and a plain Oliver 38 drill? I also noticed that they have corn planters on that sheet. Do you remember selling many of them? Been a couple years since I seen a Oliver corn planter. Is this serial # list one you got while working at the dealer? Thanks again for all of your info. Not too many people have had the experience w/ Oliver equipment that you got to have.','',0,0,'gA==','s0noewd1',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1379,0,7,0,'',1074779939,1,1,1,1,'I & I and Hart Parr #3','','',0,0,'0','m9wizqat',0,0,'u_7','',0),(1381,0,7,0,'',1074780462,1,1,1,1,'I&I and Hart Parr #3','Kieth,\r\n\r\nSorry that your opinion of I&amp;I is that we are a \"Podunk\" club. We have 500 members and a $200,000 a year budget. In addition to this year\'s HPOCA national show we hosted the National Red Power Roundup last year and have 4 more national shows on the schedule for future years. In addition we are pursuing the Case and AC national shows for 2008 and 2009 and will host the State Massey show in 2005.\r\n\r\nAs for Hart Parr #3, the Smithsonian requires that the receiving organization has a permanent property available to display any exhibits that are loaned. HPOCA did not meet that requirement, HPOCA did have a plan to get the tractor displayed however and I&amp;I was able to accommodate that plan because we had experience with obtaining the IH Turbine tractor the year before. Be glad to clear up any misunderstandings you may have.\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','ry8ekctq',0,0,'u_7','',0),(1387,0,7,0,'',1074800024,1,1,1,1,'Thanks Kieth','Unfortuately this whole incident has become a tragedy rather than a triumph. I&amp;I stands to do everything it can to support the HPOCA as far as Hart Parr #3 is concerned. We want to make it clear that HPOCA was solely responsible for getting HP#3 refurbished and the project financed. I&amp;I\'s role was to facilitate the project happening.','',0,0,'gA==','2repxmuh',0,0,'u_7','',0),(1394,0,35,0,'',1074827187,1,1,1,1,'By-laws','Bill\r\n\r\nAre you still an alternate on the by-laws committee? I am thinking of  withdrawing my name as alternate. I just don\'t like the way things are going.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','1wl9cd2e',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1395,0,35,0,'',1074827187,1,1,1,1,'By-laws','Bill\r\n\r\nAre you still an alternate on the by-laws committee? I am thinking of  withdrawing my name as alternate. I just don\'t like the way things are going.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','1wl9cd2e',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1401,0,307,0,'',1074834905,1,1,1,1,'Cockshutt-Hart Parr','John\r\nI apologize for not responding sooner.  The club website had me locked out.  Thanks to the webmaster i\'m back in.  \r\nWhat may I help you with?\r\nDon Lee\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Islandlees@AOL.com\">Islandlees@AOL.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','3f8lukqm',0,0,'u_307','',0),(1403,0,307,0,'',1074834905,1,1,1,1,'Cockshutt-Hart Parr','John\r\nI apologize for not responding sooner.  The club website had me locked out.  Thanks to the webmaster i\'m back in.  \r\nWhat may I help you with?\r\nDon Lee\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Islandlees@AOL.com\">Islandlees@AOL.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','3f8lukqm',0,0,'u_307','',0),(1405,0,307,0,'',1074835164,1,1,1,1,'Cockshutt-Hart Parr','John \r\nIf this is a duplicate message please ignore.  I got a pop up saying my message was deleted.  Sorry I didnt respond sooner.  The club website had me locked out.\r\nWhat may I help you with?\r\nDon Lee\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Islandlees@AOL.com\">Islandlees@AOL.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','u4b41zqn',0,0,'u_307','',0),(1406,0,40,0,'',1074866941,1,1,1,1,'Re: By-laws','Frank:\r\n\r\nI am still an alernate.   I\'m a little confused as to what Andy thinks is going to happen in PA.  I thought he would send us drafts of proposed changes to the by-laws and then the committee and you and I woud get to comment on them.\r\n\r\nI guess he is not going to do that.  It sounds like he thinks a bunch of us are going to sit around a computer in Lancaster and come up with a draft.  Not very efficent in my mind, but i\'m not in charge.  However, I wrote regs for the Dept of Def for a number of years and the best way was to show up at meetings with a draft or drafts and then work them over.  Too much time will be wasted if we have to come up with new by-laws when we get there.\r\n\r\nI\'m thinking this will be a disaster, but I\'ve posted enough stuff about the magazine I don\'t think I should cut and run now that I volunteered.  \r\n\r\nThese guys are something else, but I really do like Olivers, like the magazine and kind of enjoy taking a poke at a few egos every now and then.\r\n\r\nMy brother said today the clubs new motto should be, \"Collect Olivers and the HPOCA magazine, they both are very rare.\"  \r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\nquote]Bill\r\n\r\nAre you still an alternate on the by-laws committee? I am thinking of  withdrawing my name as alternate. I just don\'t like the way things are going.\r\nFrank\r\n[/quote]','',0,0,'','1x904cv1',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1409,0,105,0,'',1074914277,1,1,1,1,'','nice screen name','',0,0,'','2qhrbp1b',0,0,'u_105','',0),(1411,0,105,0,'',1074914688,1,1,1,1,'','Hey I just noticed you are from TN.  What part?  I am up in Western KY.  I havent seen you on here much so I thought I would ask.','',0,0,'','12v5dc8j',0,0,'u_105','',0),(1423,0,9,0,'',1075002248,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:3v62xbez]Hey I just noticed you are from TN.  What part?  I am up in Western KY.  I havent seen you on here much so I thought I would ask.[/quote:3v62xbez]\r\nHey 995,\r\nI\'m in northern middle TN, about 35 miles from Nashville.   We go to the show in Paducah sometimes. Are you near there?\r\nI collect most anything Oliver from 440 to 2150 and a few implements.  Let me know if you\'re ever in this area.\r\nFrank Hudson\r\nCastalian Springs, TN','',0,0,'gA==','3v62xbez',0,0,'u_9','',0),(1424,0,307,0,'',1075009102,1,1,1,1,'Hart Parr 18-28','John\r\nI seem to be having a heck of a time with this dad gumed confuser and I dont know if you received my response or not so here it is again.\r\nDon Lee\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Islandlees@AOL.com\">Islandlees@AOL.com</a><!-- e -->\r\nHope I can be of some help','',0,0,'gA==','31rwq1kz',0,0,'u_307','',0),(1425,0,307,0,'',1075009102,1,1,1,1,'Hart Parr 18-28','John\r\nI seem to be having a heck of a time with this dad gumed confuser and I dont know if you received my response or not so here it is again.\r\nDon Lee\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Islandlees@AOL.com\">Islandlees@AOL.com</a><!-- e -->\r\nHope I can be of some help','',0,0,'gA==','31rwq1kz',0,0,'u_307','',0),(1426,0,407,0,'',1075059808,1,1,1,1,'Re: 18-28','My tractor serial # is 800181, a late one compared to yours! What is different about mine though is that it has no threaded holes in the casting on the transmission for floor boards. Even after sandblasting and digging I cannot find any. I have 3 80 standards and a couple 1931 parts tractors and they are all the same. My whole transmission cast is different slightly around the drawbar as well. I am picking up new fenders at Lancaster to complete my restoration but I think I am going to have to make my own mounting system for the floor boards. I checked the row crops as well and they too are different. I have no implication in the serial 3 as to a differnt trans. It has me stumped. I\'ve looked at 2 dozen 18-28\'s and a half dozen row crops and I am still baffled. I think I know your tractor, got some nice pictures of it at Midland and maybe Canandaigua. I live 15 min from Canandaigua. Hope to feature Hart Parr again there soon. Maybe get better luck with the weather.Thanks for the info though, guess I got a regular 18-28. Taken me 5 years to restore the damn thing,(I\'m not done yet) had it for 18 years now. F&amp;H rear wheels were rotted off and I had to find steel and a manifold, waiting paid off though, picked up a beautiful manifold 5 yrs ago with carb for $100. These things just take a while is all. \r\nThanks again, Adam\r\n\r\n\r\n   [quote:2fy8dwoc]What is the serial # of your 1930 18-28? If it is 800075 or earlier, it would be a 2-3 plow tractor, rather than an 18-28. Some confusion with these tractors, the first 75 were never produced as 18-28\'s, and there were some changes made on #76 and later tractors. I have #17, and after researching this tractor with the Charles City records, compared it to Jim Kline\'s 1930 18-28, the results of the research was conclusive.[/quote:2fy8dwoc]','',0,0,'gA==','2fy8dwoc',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1427,0,407,0,'',1075059808,1,1,1,1,'Re: 18-28','My tractor serial # is 800181, a late one compared to yours! What is different about mine though is that it has no threaded holes in the casting on the transmission for floor boards. Even after sandblasting and digging I cannot find any. I have 3 80 standards and a couple 1931 parts tractors and they are all the same. My whole transmission cast is different slightly around the drawbar as well. I am picking up new fenders at Lancaster to complete my restoration but I think I am going to have to make my own mounting system for the floor boards. I checked the row crops as well and they too are different. I have no implication in the serial 3 as to a differnt trans. It has me stumped. I\'ve looked at 2 dozen 18-28\'s and a half dozen row crops and I am still baffled. I think I know your tractor, got some nice pictures of it at Midland and maybe Canandaigua. I live 15 min from Canandaigua. Hope to feature Hart Parr again there soon. Maybe get better luck with the weather.Thanks for the info though, guess I got a regular 18-28. Taken me 5 years to restore the damn thing,(I\'m not done yet) had it for 18 years now. F&amp;H rear wheels were rotted off and I had to find steel and a manifold, waiting paid off though, picked up a beautiful manifold 5 yrs ago with carb for $100. These things just take a while is all. \r\nThanks again, Adam\r\n\r\n\r\n   [quote:2fy8dwoc]What is the serial # of your 1930 18-28? If it is 800075 or earlier, it would be a 2-3 plow tractor, rather than an 18-28. Some confusion with these tractors, the first 75 were never produced as 18-28\'s, and there were some changes made on #76 and later tractors. I have #17, and after researching this tractor with the Charles City records, compared it to Jim Kline\'s 1930 18-28, the results of the research was conclusive.[/quote:2fy8dwoc]','',0,0,'gA==','2fy8dwoc',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1433,0,9,0,'',1075080116,1,1,1,1,'magazine','Have you gotten your magazine?  I haven\'t gotten mine!','',0,0,'gA==','or5mtexg',0,0,'u_9','',0),(1434,0,35,0,'',1075083551,1,1,1,1,'By-laws','Bill\r\n\r\nAfter reading Andy\'s response to you and then Terry\'s response it seems to me that the right hand doesn\'t know what the left hand is doing.\r\n\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','3td7wk4m',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1435,0,35,0,'',1075083551,1,1,1,1,'By-laws','Bill\r\n\r\nAfter reading Andy\'s response to you and then Terry\'s response it seems to me that the right hand doesn\'t know what the left hand is doing.\r\n\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','3td7wk4m',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1436,0,40,0,'',1075088724,1,1,1,1,'Re: By-laws','FranK:\r\n\r\nDON\"T QUIT.\r\n\r\nTerry\'s response on the forum was based in part on a U2U I sent him after reading Andy\'s post.  Basically I said if these guys weren\'t going to follow the articles of incorporation and the by-laws that were in effect I was going to start believing that the officers and the board were running the club like they wanted to and not like it should be.\r\n\r\nTerry answered back that he had not seen the articles of incorporation until Andy mailed them to us. He was surprised how detailed they were, but assured me that they were going to follow the procedures required by the by-laws in particular.  I\'m thinking they\'d better stick to the Articles of Incorporation also.\r\n\r\nAnyway I\'m going to keep pecking away and see what happens. Are you going to PA?  I intend to,but I think there will be bigger fish to fry than revising the by-laws.  I ordered some stuff from Landis a few weeks ago.  When I talked to him on the phone he kind of hinted that some of the oldtime members (of which I am not one) might be pulling out.  He did say he wanted the meeting to be well attended because his club will take a hit if it is not.\r\n\r\nI think the effort to revise the by-laws is a good one.  I also think a college professor and a retired DOD civil servant should do what we can to keep a \"Yankee\" truck driver from West Virgina on track to do the job he is supposed to.\r\n\r\nTalk to you later\r\n\r\nBill Brandt  \r\n\r\n[quote:1h66rqny]Bill\n\nAfter reading Andy\'s response to you and then Terry\'s response it seems to me that the right hand doesn\'t know what the left hand is doing.\n\nFrank[/quote:1h66rqny]','',0,0,'gA==','1h66rqny',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1440,0,307,0,'',1075097493,1,1,1,1,'18-28','John\r\nI am located close to Olympia, Washington.\r\nI basically have the complete rear half of the tractor except the wheels.  I plan to use the fenders, they are better than the ones on my tractor, and the power take- off unit which mine doesn\'t have.  I haven\'t been into the actual rear drive system on mine yet and it seems to be good but if not then what ever I need I will rob from the other one.  Anything I dont use will be made available.\r\nDon','',0,0,'gA==','13diwjgf',0,0,'u_307','',0),(1441,0,307,0,'',1075097493,1,1,1,1,'18-28','John\r\nI am located close to Olympia, Washington.\r\nI basically have the complete rear half of the tractor except the wheels.  I plan to use the fenders, they are better than the ones on my tractor, and the power take- off unit which mine doesn\'t have.  I haven\'t been into the actual rear drive system on mine yet and it seems to be good but if not then what ever I need I will rob from the other one.  Anything I dont use will be made available.\r\nDon','',0,0,'gA==','13diwjgf',0,0,'u_307','',0),(1442,0,479,0,'',1075148384,1,1,1,1,'HG37','Gary,  Did you get rid of this crawler to a new home yet?  If not, please contact me.  You can reach me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:nick@pinelinedfarms.com\">nick@pinelinedfarms.com</a><!-- e --> or (845) 744-6569.  I\'d be able to pick it up from you anytime at your convienence.  Regards, Nick Cannistra','',0,0,'gA==','37dlf2ge',0,0,'u_479','',0),(1446,0,450,0,'',1075171622,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 83 Corn Picker','HI John, have you found your serial number list for the Oliver 83 Corn Picker yet? There is no hurry, I am just curious. Where was the Oliver dealership you worked at located?','',0,0,'gA==','b3lxvz3h',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1448,0,35,0,'',1075173131,1,1,1,1,'by-laws','Bill\r\n\r\nAt least there is a bit more discussion concerning the bylaws. I will be leaving Wednesday for the National Ruritan Convention therefore I will be away from the computer until Monday. I will not be able to attend the winter get together because of college duties. I have to be away for three days because of  the\r\n convention. I had already committed to the convention before all this came about. I will keep in touch. By the way I haven\'t received the magazine yet.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','y0nie0ek',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1449,0,35,0,'',1075173131,1,1,1,1,'by-laws','Bill\r\n\r\nAt least there is a bit more discussion concerning the bylaws. I will be leaving Wednesday for the National Ruritan Convention therefore I will be away from the computer until Monday. I will not be able to attend the winter get together because of college duties. I have to be away for three days because of  the\r\n convention. I had already committed to the convention before all this came about. I will keep in touch. By the way I haven\'t received the magazine yet.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','y0nie0ek',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1460,0,450,0,'',1075333840,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 83 Corn Picker','John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\r\n\r\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \r\n         was manufactured by   \r\n  White Farm Equipment Company\r\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\r\n\r\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?','',0,0,'gA==','3rh36b78',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1461,0,450,0,'',1075333840,1,1,1,1,'Oliver 83 Corn Picker','John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\r\n\r\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \r\n         was manufactured by   \r\n  White Farm Equipment Company\r\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\r\n\r\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?','',0,0,'gA==','3rh36b78',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1465,0,254,0,'',1075335654,1,1,1,1,'Re: Clutch','[quote:iz6ldisc]Cause the 10 inch slips when you have the Super sleeves and pistons in the engine. (0 plus percent of all 88\'s have the 11 inch clutch.[/quote:iz6ldisc]\r\n\r\n .I dont have it in yet should I swap it for a 11?\r\nGreg','',0,0,'gA==','iz6ldisc',0,0,'u_254','',0),(1481,0,254,0,'',1075419186,1,1,1,1,'Re: Clutch','[quote:1evk9ojv][quote:1evk9ojv][quote:1evk9ojv]Cause the 10 inch slips when you have the Super sleeves and pistons in the engine. (0 plus percent of all 88\'s have the 11 inch clutch.[/quote:1evk9ojv]\n\n .I dont have it in yet should I swap it for a 11?\nGreg[/quote:1evk9ojv] I would. You will also need to change the drive disk too. Does your tractor have a greaseaable throwout bearing» You might want to consider that.[/quote:1evk9ojv]\r\nYes it has a greasable bearing it is ok so is my presure plate but i can\'t find the shafts i am looknig for the pro and hyd shaft and the hub on the crank I would prefer used i cant aford new .\r\nGreg','',0,0,'gA==','1evk9ojv',0,0,'u_254','',0),(1487,0,485,0,'',1075421132,1,1,1,1,'exhaust','Thanks so much for the info.  My knowledge on Olivers is very limited.  I\'ve done many John Deeres.  My father-in-law has always had Olivers and I\'ve done repair on the later models, since he retired from farming years ago, they are gone.  However, he kept the 1957 Super 55 he bought new, purchased an 1941 60 RC, a few years ago.  I resored the 55 last year an now the 60.  I may have more 60 questions.  Thanks again, Ed','',0,0,'gA==','3ellpvql',0,0,'u_485','',0),(1502,0,450,0,'',1075566306,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote][quote]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\r\n\r\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \r\n         was manufactured by   \r\n  White Farm Equipment Company\r\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\r\n\r\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\r\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\r\n\r\n\r\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL','',0,0,'','31feglc4',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1503,0,450,0,'',1075566306,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote][quote]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\r\n\r\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \r\n         was manufactured by   \r\n  White Farm Equipment Company\r\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\r\n\r\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\r\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\r\n\r\n\r\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL','',0,0,'','31feglc4',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1513,0,464,0,'',1075600760,1,1,1,1,'Cheap Semi','.50/mile.  Hell, I charge friends more than that to use my 3/4 ton pickup and flat bed gooseneck.  People I don\'t know I charge 2.00/loaded mile plus 40.00 chain fee.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,0,'','xifbmh2x',0,0,'u_464','',0),(1515,0,464,0,'',1075600906,1,1,1,1,'Landis Column','Landis chose not to write for reasons which will come out in the month of February.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,0,'','33yi6ub2',0,0,'u_464','',0),(1516,0,450,0,'',1075602390,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote:2mcx2xlo][quote:2mcx2xlo][quote:2mcx2xlo][quote:2mcx2xlo]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\n\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \n         was manufactured by   \n  White Farm Equipment Company\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\n\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\n\n\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL[/quote:2mcx2xlo]\nIf I teach school Monday I will take that sheet along and make you a copy and you can sort it out. They are talking freezing rain with snow after that on Monday. Our county roads are all ice. John[/quote:2mcx2xlo][/quote:2mcx2xlo][/quote:2mcx2xlo]\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThanks John, I was just wondering where you have gotten the serial number reference? Is it a reliable source of info or is it one of them that contains some not so correct info? You teach school? I take it that you must be a substitute? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for my question. Take care and drive carefully on those slippery roads!  \r\n\r\n-Wide (freezing to death in MN) Open','',0,0,'gA==','2mcx2xlo',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1517,0,450,0,'',1075602390,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote:2mcx2xlo][quote:2mcx2xlo][quote:2mcx2xlo][quote:2mcx2xlo]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\n\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \n         was manufactured by   \n  White Farm Equipment Company\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\n\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\n\n\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL[/quote:2mcx2xlo]\nIf I teach school Monday I will take that sheet along and make you a copy and you can sort it out. They are talking freezing rain with snow after that on Monday. Our county roads are all ice. John[/quote:2mcx2xlo][/quote:2mcx2xlo][/quote:2mcx2xlo]\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThanks John, I was just wondering where you have gotten the serial number reference? Is it a reliable source of info or is it one of them that contains some not so correct info? You teach school? I take it that you must be a substitute? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for my question. Take care and drive carefully on those slippery roads!  \r\n\r\n-Wide (freezing to death in MN) Open','',0,0,'gA==','2mcx2xlo',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1535,0,464,0,'',1075699509,1,1,1,1,'WE SUPPORT YOU','We on the East Coast, the MDOCCA in particular, support you, your father, and your father\'s business.  After reading the correspondence that Landis Z. had filed away, it  certainly shored up in my mind what a bunch of babies our leadership is.  Bob Tallman must be rolling in his grave.  When he was alive, we used to get advice on who to vote for.  He forwarned us that if certain people got in (and he named Terry and Andy by name) the club would be doomed as they have a different agenda.  \r\nAgain, we support you and we will do everything in our power to get reform in the board.  I just wish I lived closer to these clowns.  I might then figure out what makes them tick.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,0,'gA==','2cja653h',0,0,'u_464','',0),(1541,0,259,0,'',1075756770,1,1,1,1,'Re: Steering Plow','Thanks Bill!\r\nThat\'s exactly what the person meant.  I\'ve never heard them referred to that before.\r\nThanks for your reply!\r\nTravis Childs\r\nNorthern Indiana Center for History\r\nSouth Bend, Indiana\r\n\r\n[quote:339g0uyf]I think they might be referring to the semi-mounted plows first made in the 60\'s.  It had a mounting post up by the tractor and a long rod to the tail wheel.  when the tractor turned the rod would move the tail wheel and the plow would follow behind the tractor.\n\nThe first mounted plows were rigid and would swing very wide when the tractor turned at the end of the round.  This was not a problem with 2 or 3 bottom plows, but the 4, 5, and larger plows needed something to help them follow the tractor when turning and when plowing on the contour.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nBill Brandt\n[/quote:339g0uyf]','',0,0,'gA==','339g0uyf',0,0,'u_259','',0),(1544,0,381,0,'',1075784204,1,1,1,1,'Re: HG','Hi, the crawler was used to tow a trailer for syruping, and as far as I know, never had any hydraulics or a PTO on it.  It\'s been shedded for the last 20 or so years and the gas tank was drained, as was the radiator.  The motor does turn over easily with the hand crank too.  So overall, I think that it\'s a pretty good candidate for rebuilding.  If you\'d like to see a pic, send me your email address.  Thanks!  Kerry Brunner\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:v5y5hkrz]Nailcreek\n\nUnless this crawler has a lot of sentemental value you might want to reconsider. I have had both a HG and an OC4 rebuilt and it was extremely costly. I gave $2000 for the OC4 and by the time it was finished I had well over $6000  invested. It wasn\'t show quality. I gave $1000 for the HG and after spending $1500 to get it running I sold it for $2000. I like crawlers but I have found them to be extremely costly. The Olivers were tough machines but the pto is weak for heavy work such as cutting brush. I now have a 1964 550 Special and an Oliver 75 lawnmower both in show condition. I do have a Mitsubishi dozer that I paid $11000 . I use it on my hobby farm in the hills. It is a 1992 model and does a great job.\nGood luck\nFrank[/quote:v5y5hkrz]','',0,0,'gA==','v5y5hkrz',0,0,'u_381','',0),(1545,0,381,0,'',1075784204,1,1,1,1,'Re: HG','Hi, the crawler was used to tow a trailer for syruping, and as far as I know, never had any hydraulics or a PTO on it.  It\'s been shedded for the last 20 or so years and the gas tank was drained, as was the radiator.  The motor does turn over easily with the hand crank too.  So overall, I think that it\'s a pretty good candidate for rebuilding.  If you\'d like to see a pic, send me your email address.  Thanks!  Kerry Brunner\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:v5y5hkrz]Nailcreek\n\nUnless this crawler has a lot of sentemental value you might want to reconsider. I have had both a HG and an OC4 rebuilt and it was extremely costly. I gave $2000 for the OC4 and by the time it was finished I had well over $6000  invested. It wasn\'t show quality. I gave $1000 for the HG and after spending $1500 to get it running I sold it for $2000. I like crawlers but I have found them to be extremely costly. The Olivers were tough machines but the pto is weak for heavy work such as cutting brush. I now have a 1964 550 Special and an Oliver 75 lawnmower both in show condition. I do have a Mitsubishi dozer that I paid $11000 . I use it on my hobby farm in the hills. It is a 1992 model and does a great job.\nGood luck\nFrank[/quote:v5y5hkrz]','',0,0,'gA==','v5y5hkrz',0,0,'u_381','',0),(1546,0,381,0,'',1075784450,1,1,1,1,'Re: Paint','Hello John,\r\n\r\nThe crawler is definitely green - no orange or yellow to be found.  I\'ve a set of the original owner\'s and parts manuals from the son-in-law of the owner.  He\'s written in the serial number, so I don\'t have much more than that to go on.  It\'s been too cold to crawl around in the shed!\r\n\r\nI\'d be interested in seeing your HG ... if you could send me your email address, I\'ll shoot over some pics of mine.  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Nailcreek@hotmail.com\">Nailcreek@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:4ax7z7nk]I think that information is found on Oliverinformation.com. The question I have is on the HG, when you got down to the final layer of paint, what color was it. I have run into 3 1946 model Hg\'s and a very early 47 that were still Cletrac orange. Also what is the shape of your serial number tag. It looks like some 45 models, all 46 models and at least some 47 models have a different shaped tag? If you paint it green, the early green crawlers and the wheel tractors of the same vintage are not the same shade of green. Good luck John[/quote:4ax7z7nk]','',0,0,'gA==','4ax7z7nk',0,0,'u_381','',0),(1547,0,381,0,'',1075784450,1,1,1,1,'Re: Paint','Hello John,\r\n\r\nThe crawler is definitely green - no orange or yellow to be found.  I\'ve a set of the original owner\'s and parts manuals from the son-in-law of the owner.  He\'s written in the serial number, so I don\'t have much more than that to go on.  It\'s been too cold to crawl around in the shed!\r\n\r\nI\'d be interested in seeing your HG ... if you could send me your email address, I\'ll shoot over some pics of mine.  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Nailcreek@hotmail.com\">Nailcreek@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:4ax7z7nk]I think that information is found on Oliverinformation.com. The question I have is on the HG, when you got down to the final layer of paint, what color was it. I have run into 3 1946 model Hg\'s and a very early 47 that were still Cletrac orange. Also what is the shape of your serial number tag. It looks like some 45 models, all 46 models and at least some 47 models have a different shaped tag? If you paint it green, the early green crawlers and the wheel tractors of the same vintage are not the same shade of green. Good luck John[/quote:4ax7z7nk]','',0,0,'gA==','4ax7z7nk',0,0,'u_381','',0),(1551,0,464,0,'',1075793429,1,1,1,1,'Landis','Landis has copies of letters that this board has written that would make you want to vomit.  They have cut ties with MANY good men...I\'ll bet Bob TaLLMAN is tossing in his grave right about now.  I hate to see Landis go, but I understand his rationale.  Bob always said that, if certian members got elected to the board, the club as we know and love it would go to hell.  And, it has.  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:edward.tabor@zoominternet.net\">edward.tabor@zoominternet.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','1sw6ippn',0,0,'u_464','',0),(1561,0,360,0,'',1075836955,1,1,1,1,'Re:','I know this sucks and now with the choice of the auction and this leadership it is not hard to make the decision to go to the auction.\r\n\r\n[quote:5by0rjz7]Ed Thats what sucks. WE at MDOCCA footed the bill for this winter get together thing. We take the loss if it fails. Not HPOCA. Funny how they timed all this crap.\nDanny[/quote:5by0rjz7]','',0,0,'gA==','5by0rjz7',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1563,0,360,0,'',1075837286,1,1,1,1,'Re: Landis','This is the stuff that needs to get out and this does suck. I talked to landis at an auction in the spring and he was alluding to the fact at the time that there was a problem with the board and Sherry and then to go after Ollie and kick him off the nominating committee is just down right wrong and this clique stuff is wrong. I would cancel my membership if it were not finding out about some good auctions through the magazine. \r\n\r\n[quote:1d8bb65q]Landis has copies of letters that this board has written that would make you want to vomit.  They have cut ties with MANY good men...I\'ll bet Bob TaLLMAN is tossing in his grave right about now.  I hate to see Landis go, but I understand his rationale.  Bob always said that, if certian members got elected to the board, the club as we know and love it would go to hell.  And, it has.  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:edward.tabor@zoominternet.net\">edward.tabor@zoominternet.net</a><!-- e -->[/quote:1d8bb65q]','',0,0,'gA==','1d8bb65q',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1574,0,450,0,'',1075850317,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote:22b1ser9][quote:22b1ser9][quote:22b1ser9][quote:22b1ser9][quote:22b1ser9][quote:22b1ser9]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\n\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \n         was manufactured by   \n  White Farm Equipment Company\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\n\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\n\n\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL[/quote:22b1ser9]\nIf I teach school Monday I will take that sheet along and make you a copy and you can sort it out. They are talking freezing rain with snow after that on Monday. Our county roads are all ice. John[/quote:22b1ser9]\n\n\n\nThanks John, I was just wondering where you have gotten the serial number reference? Is it a reliable source of info or is it one of them that contains some not so correct info? You teach school? I take it that you must be a substitute? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for my question. Take care and drive carefully on those slippery roads!  \n\n-Wide (freezing to death in MN) Open\n\n[/quote:22b1ser9]\nYes I used to have a real neat job. I taught hydraulic classes (Gresen products) and Chelsea PTO (for trucks) and how to combine that stuff. Then dana sold all that off. My boss said I have a job for you, but you will need to live here at the PTO plant \nwhich is in Mississippi across from Memphis TN. At 60 neither my wife or I wanted to move, so they said since I was 60 and over 10 years I could retire, Well Dana\'s retirement plan was not that goofd with only 15 years of service. I had taught in a Vocational school before that and I knew the supervisor here at the local vocational school so I work there when they have something to do and I don\'t.\nThe list was made by a Moline Service rep. So it has a fair amount of crediability to it. There are 80 some pages to it and I am missing like a half dozen, but I found two when I was cleaning.[/quote:22b1ser9][/quote:22b1ser9][/quote:22b1ser9]\r\n\r\nJohn, was just wondering why they moved production from Shelbyville to South Bend? If I remember correctly the Shelbyville plant was closed in 1970? Is this correct? Do you know what was made at the other plants, such as Battle Creek MI, Cleveland OH, Charles City IA, Shelbyville, South Bend, and If  If remember right there was one in Gilroy CA? Also one in Brantford Canada? I am probably missing one? Do you know anything about these plants? Also was there any difference between Shelbyville Pickers and South Bend Pickers?','',0,0,'gA==','22b1ser9',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1575,0,450,0,'',1075850317,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote:22b1ser9][quote:22b1ser9][quote:22b1ser9][quote:22b1ser9][quote:22b1ser9][quote:22b1ser9]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\n\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \n         was manufactured by   \n  White Farm Equipment Company\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\n\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\n\n\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL[/quote:22b1ser9]\nIf I teach school Monday I will take that sheet along and make you a copy and you can sort it out. They are talking freezing rain with snow after that on Monday. Our county roads are all ice. John[/quote:22b1ser9]\n\n\n\nThanks John, I was just wondering where you have gotten the serial number reference? Is it a reliable source of info or is it one of them that contains some not so correct info? You teach school? I take it that you must be a substitute? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for my question. Take care and drive carefully on those slippery roads!  \n\n-Wide (freezing to death in MN) Open\n\n[/quote:22b1ser9]\nYes I used to have a real neat job. I taught hydraulic classes (Gresen products) and Chelsea PTO (for trucks) and how to combine that stuff. Then dana sold all that off. My boss said I have a job for you, but you will need to live here at the PTO plant \nwhich is in Mississippi across from Memphis TN. At 60 neither my wife or I wanted to move, so they said since I was 60 and over 10 years I could retire, Well Dana\'s retirement plan was not that goofd with only 15 years of service. I had taught in a Vocational school before that and I knew the supervisor here at the local vocational school so I work there when they have something to do and I don\'t.\nThe list was made by a Moline Service rep. So it has a fair amount of crediability to it. There are 80 some pages to it and I am missing like a half dozen, but I found two when I was cleaning.[/quote:22b1ser9][/quote:22b1ser9][/quote:22b1ser9]\r\n\r\nJohn, was just wondering why they moved production from Shelbyville to South Bend? If I remember correctly the Shelbyville plant was closed in 1970? Is this correct? Do you know what was made at the other plants, such as Battle Creek MI, Cleveland OH, Charles City IA, Shelbyville, South Bend, and If  If remember right there was one in Gilroy CA? Also one in Brantford Canada? I am probably missing one? Do you know anything about these plants? Also was there any difference between Shelbyville Pickers and South Bend Pickers?','',0,0,'gA==','22b1ser9',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1579,0,26,0,'',1075852798,1,1,1,1,'Re: WE SUPPORT YOU','Bob is very much aware of what\'s going on because he keeps prodding me in the back to start a new magazine.  \r\n\r\nIt IS unfortunate that this has all happened, but the damage is done.  I doubt that it could ever be repaired, so we must move on.  Better days are ahead.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','5xoeah2g',0,0,'u_26','',0),(1581,0,26,0,'',1075852911,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Keith,\r\nThanks for your support.  I\'m afraid that the damage has been done to the HPOCA and there\'s no turning back.  I probably will continue to be a member of the HPOCA even though I can\'t stand the thought of giving $30 to the dictators that did this to our wonderful club.  I\'ll be at the winter show, but summer is undecided at this point.  Have to get through the winter first.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','2c4bhes4',0,0,'u_26','',0),(1583,0,26,0,'',1075853100,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Yes, it was.  And the Smithsonian is tickled pink with the way things went.  They even sent a letter that they wanted printed in the magazine expressing their happiness.  However, the letter was sent to Dad and he forwarded it to Chris.  Chris will not print it because he said it\'s second hand information.  I would bet Terry has more to do with it though.  \r\n\r\nPeople don\'t understand that the Lloyds of London wasn\'t going to release this machine to every shade tree mechanic that wanted to turn a wrench on it.  \r\n\r\nThanks for your support.  I don\'t know what\'s in store for the HPOCA, but better days will surely come for me.\r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','1enc5ys7',0,0,'u_26','',0),(1584,0,450,0,'',1075860799,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote:1d6h6ru8][quote:1d6h6ru8][quote:1d6h6ru8][quote:1d6h6ru8][quote:1d6h6ru8][quote:1d6h6ru8]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\n\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \n         was manufactured by   \n  White Farm Equipment Company\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\n\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\n\n\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL[/quote:1d6h6ru8]\nIf I teach school Monday I will take that sheet along and make you a copy and you can sort it out. They are talking freezing rain with snow after that on Monday. Our county roads are all ice. John[/quote:1d6h6ru8]\n\n\n\nThanks John, I was just wondering where you have gotten the serial number reference? Is it a reliable source of info or is it one of them that contains some not so correct info? You teach school? I take it that you must be a substitute? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for my question. Take care and drive carefully on those slippery roads!  \n\n-Wide (freezing to death in MN) Open\n\n[/quote:1d6h6ru8]\nYour 1800 was made in the late spring early summer of 64. I copied that pick sheet off today and their is a definate miss print on that page. Send me an e-mail at: <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:aschwieb@bright.net\">aschwieb@bright.net</a><!-- e --> Put your phone number on it. I will be home later tonigh, I would say by 9:30 my time, I am one hour ahead of you. I have church council tonigh. John[/quote:1d6h6ru8][/quote:1d6h6ru8][/quote:1d6h6ru8]\r\n\r\nDoesn\'t the serial number on the 1800 mean that it is a 1963? Thats what all my serial # references say.','',0,0,'gA==','1d6h6ru8',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1585,0,450,0,'',1075860799,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote:1d6h6ru8][quote:1d6h6ru8][quote:1d6h6ru8][quote:1d6h6ru8][quote:1d6h6ru8][quote:1d6h6ru8]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\n\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \n         was manufactured by   \n  White Farm Equipment Company\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\n\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\n\n\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL[/quote:1d6h6ru8]\nIf I teach school Monday I will take that sheet along and make you a copy and you can sort it out. They are talking freezing rain with snow after that on Monday. Our county roads are all ice. John[/quote:1d6h6ru8]\n\n\n\nThanks John, I was just wondering where you have gotten the serial number reference? Is it a reliable source of info or is it one of them that contains some not so correct info? You teach school? I take it that you must be a substitute? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for my question. Take care and drive carefully on those slippery roads!  \n\n-Wide (freezing to death in MN) Open\n\n[/quote:1d6h6ru8]\nYour 1800 was made in the late spring early summer of 64. I copied that pick sheet off today and their is a definate miss print on that page. Send me an e-mail at: <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:aschwieb@bright.net\">aschwieb@bright.net</a><!-- e --> Put your phone number on it. I will be home later tonigh, I would say by 9:30 my time, I am one hour ahead of you. I have church council tonigh. John[/quote:1d6h6ru8][/quote:1d6h6ru8][/quote:1d6h6ru8]\r\n\r\nDoesn\'t the serial number on the 1800 mean that it is a 1963? Thats what all my serial # references say.','',0,0,'gA==','1d6h6ru8',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1588,0,35,0,'',1075862494,1,1,1,1,'HG','I would like to see a picture. My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dodsonf@bellsouth.net\">dodsonf@bellsouth.net</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','38tz6q4x',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1589,0,35,0,'',1075862494,1,1,1,1,'HG','I would like to see a picture. My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dodsonf@bellsouth.net\">dodsonf@bellsouth.net</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','38tz6q4x',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1592,0,450,0,'',1075900896,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\n\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \n         was manufactured by   \n  White Farm Equipment Company\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\n\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\n\n\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL[/quote:3mnvhoo9]\nIf I teach school Monday I will take that sheet along and make you a copy and you can sort it out. They are talking freezing rain with snow after that on Monday. Our county roads are all ice. John[/quote:3mnvhoo9]\n\n\n\nThanks John, I was just wondering where you have gotten the serial number reference? Is it a reliable source of info or is it one of them that contains some not so correct info? You teach school? I take it that you must be a substitute? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for my question. Take care and drive carefully on those slippery roads!  \n\n-Wide (freezing to death in MN) Open\n\n[/quote:3mnvhoo9]\nYes I used to have a real neat job. I taught hydraulic classes (Gresen products) and Chelsea PTO (for trucks) and how to combine that stuff. Then dana sold all that off. My boss said I have a job for you, but you will need to live here at the PTO plant \nwhich is in Mississippi across from Memphis TN. At 60 neither my wife or I wanted to move, so they said since I was 60 and over 10 years I could retire, Well Dana\'s retirement plan was not that goofd with only 15 years of service. I had taught in a Vocational school before that and I knew the supervisor here at the local vocational school so I work there when they have something to do and I don\'t.\nThe list was made by a Moline Service rep. So it has a fair amount of crediability to it. There are 80 some pages to it and I am missing like a half dozen, but I found two when I was cleaning.[/quote:3mnvhoo9]\n\nJohn, was just wondering why they moved production from Shelbyville to South Bend? If I remember correctly the Shelbyville plant was closed in 1970? Is this correct? Do you know what was made at the other plants, such as Battle Creek MI, Cleveland OH, Charles City IA, Shelbyville, South Bend, and If  If remember right there was one in Gilroy CA? Also one in Brantford Canada? I am probably missing one? Do you know anything about these plants? Also was there any difference between Shelbyville Pickers and South Bend Pickers?[/quote:3mnvhoo9]\nIn the late winter early spring of 1964 there were changes made to the 1600 tractors. I just checked my shop book. The change occured at 137-600 something. The serial number you gave for the 1800 was 139-205 so it would have been built from one to two months after that. I can not find my 1800 parts book tonight. Is your tactor a gas or a diesel? It is a C model correct. One change I remember in the early summer of 64 on the gas C models was the addition of the little fuel pump. I wanted to see if the parts book gave the starting serial number for them there.[/quote:3mnvhoo9][/quote:3mnvhoo9][/quote:3mnvhoo9]\r\n\r\nMy tractor is a C series. It is a 310 Diesel. It  is also a wheatland if that matters or not?','',0,0,'gA==','3mnvhoo9',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1593,0,450,0,'',1075900896,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9][quote:3mnvhoo9]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\n\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \n         was manufactured by   \n  White Farm Equipment Company\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\n\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\n\n\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL[/quote:3mnvhoo9]\nIf I teach school Monday I will take that sheet along and make you a copy and you can sort it out. They are talking freezing rain with snow after that on Monday. Our county roads are all ice. John[/quote:3mnvhoo9]\n\n\n\nThanks John, I was just wondering where you have gotten the serial number reference? Is it a reliable source of info or is it one of them that contains some not so correct info? You teach school? I take it that you must be a substitute? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for my question. Take care and drive carefully on those slippery roads!  \n\n-Wide (freezing to death in MN) Open\n\n[/quote:3mnvhoo9]\nYes I used to have a real neat job. I taught hydraulic classes (Gresen products) and Chelsea PTO (for trucks) and how to combine that stuff. Then dana sold all that off. My boss said I have a job for you, but you will need to live here at the PTO plant \nwhich is in Mississippi across from Memphis TN. At 60 neither my wife or I wanted to move, so they said since I was 60 and over 10 years I could retire, Well Dana\'s retirement plan was not that goofd with only 15 years of service. I had taught in a Vocational school before that and I knew the supervisor here at the local vocational school so I work there when they have something to do and I don\'t.\nThe list was made by a Moline Service rep. So it has a fair amount of crediability to it. There are 80 some pages to it and I am missing like a half dozen, but I found two when I was cleaning.[/quote:3mnvhoo9]\n\nJohn, was just wondering why they moved production from Shelbyville to South Bend? If I remember correctly the Shelbyville plant was closed in 1970? Is this correct? Do you know what was made at the other plants, such as Battle Creek MI, Cleveland OH, Charles City IA, Shelbyville, South Bend, and If  If remember right there was one in Gilroy CA? Also one in Brantford Canada? I am probably missing one? Do you know anything about these plants? Also was there any difference between Shelbyville Pickers and South Bend Pickers?[/quote:3mnvhoo9]\nIn the late winter early spring of 1964 there were changes made to the 1600 tractors. I just checked my shop book. The change occured at 137-600 something. The serial number you gave for the 1800 was 139-205 so it would have been built from one to two months after that. I can not find my 1800 parts book tonight. Is your tactor a gas or a diesel? It is a C model correct. One change I remember in the early summer of 64 on the gas C models was the addition of the little fuel pump. I wanted to see if the parts book gave the starting serial number for them there.[/quote:3mnvhoo9][/quote:3mnvhoo9][/quote:3mnvhoo9]\r\n\r\nMy tractor is a C series. It is a 310 Diesel. It  is also a wheatland if that matters or not?','',0,0,'gA==','3mnvhoo9',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1595,0,259,0,'',1075907966,1,1,1,1,'Re: Steering Plow','Bill, \r\n   I don\'t think that the Oliver museum idea here in South Bend is going to \'fly.\'  Our museum would welcome anyone with the resources and ideas to build a museum dedicated to Oliver equipment, however, the money is just not there.  Plus, there is the factor that the main focus of the museum (I think) is going to be a museum of Oliver farm tractors--there was only ONE Oliver tractor model line made here in South Bend-the Super 99\'s.  We like the idea of having a museum that displays the equipment and plow equipment that the OCPW made, and I am not sure that the display of tractors supports this or not.  A better place for this type of museum would be in Charles City, but I do understand why they are focusing in on South Bend.\r\n   As a side note, there are talks underway of building a memorial to the Oliver Chilled Plow Works next to the old powerhouse building (Rose Fuel and Brick is restoring the powerhouse for the relocation of their building supply company---check out <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.rosebrick.com\">http://www.rosebrick.com</a><!-- m --> to see the building\'s restoration progress)-so that should be nice.\r\n   Studebaker has chosen an architect and is in the process (with the city) of moving a house off the lot where the new Studebaker museum will be located (the northwest corner of Chapin Street and Thomas Street).  I think I heard they want to break ground early this spring.  They haven\'t moved the house yet, but they have the new foundation ready to go.  The plans of the new building look great and will somewhat coordinate with the look of our building.  Our two museums will be connected by a common hallway and have some great amenities.\r\n  Thanks for writing. \r\nTravis Childs\r\nNICH\r\n[quote:3l7eentg]Travis:\n\nGlad to help.\n\nHave you heard anything more about an Oliver muesem in South Bend?\n\nHave they started on a new one for Studebaker?\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n\nquote]Thanks Bill!\nThat\'s exactly what the person meant.  I\'ve never heard them referred to that before.\nThanks for your reply!\nTravis Childs\nNorthern Indiana Center for History\nSouth Bend, Indiana\n\n[quote:3l7eentg]I think they might be referring to the semi-mounted plows first made in the 60\'s.  It had a mounting post up by the tractor and a long rod to the tail wheel.  when the tractor turned the rod would move the tail wheel and the plow would follow behind the tractor.\n\nThe first mounted plows were rigid and would swing very wide when the tractor turned at the end of the round.  This was not a problem with 2 or 3 bottom plows, but the 4, 5, and larger plows needed something to help them follow the tractor when turning and when plowing on the contour.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nBill Brandt\n[/quote:3l7eentg][/quote:3l7eentg][/quote]','',0,0,'gA==','3l7eentg',0,0,'u_259','',0),(1598,0,450,0,'',1075928868,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote:l2lmjrbw][quote:l2lmjrbw][quote:l2lmjrbw][quote:l2lmjrbw][quote:l2lmjrbw][quote:l2lmjrbw]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\n\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \n         was manufactured by   \n  White Farm Equipment Company\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\n\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\n\n\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL[/quote:l2lmjrbw]\nIf I teach school Monday I will take that sheet along and make you a copy and you can sort it out. They are talking freezing rain with snow after that on Monday. Our county roads are all ice. John[/quote:l2lmjrbw]\n\n\n\nThanks John, I was just wondering where you have gotten the serial number reference? Is it a reliable source of info or is it one of them that contains some not so correct info? You teach school? I take it that you must be a substitute? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for my question. Take care and drive carefully on those slippery roads!  \n\n-Wide (freezing to death in MN) Open\n\n[/quote:l2lmjrbw]\nYour 1800 was made in the late spring early summer of 64. I copied that pick sheet off today and their is a definate miss print on that page. Send me an e-mail at: <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:aschwieb@bright.net\">aschwieb@bright.net</a><!-- e --> Put your phone number on it. I will be home later tonigh, I would say by 9:30 my time, I am one hour ahead of you. I have church council tonigh. John[/quote:l2lmjrbw][/quote:l2lmjrbw][/quote:l2lmjrbw]\r\n\r\nJohn, I cannot get the e-mail to work again. Darn computers. Anyhow, I can be reached at 1-320-987-3191. I will be home all tonight( Feb. 4) You can call up until 9:30. If you have any questions or anything else you want to know. Thanks. Wide Open','',0,0,'gA==','l2lmjrbw',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1599,0,450,0,'',1075928868,1,1,1,1,'Re: Oliver 83 Corn Picker','[quote:l2lmjrbw][quote:l2lmjrbw][quote:l2lmjrbw][quote:l2lmjrbw][quote:l2lmjrbw][quote:l2lmjrbw]John, ventured out in the -32 F weather today to grab the serial number off the picker. Man is it cold here! I am assuming that I have a late model because the tag says:\n\n      This Oliver--MM Implement \n         was manufactured by   \n  White Farm Equipment Company\n      South Bend Indiana 46621\n\nI found 2 serial number tags on it. One is at the back behind the husking bed, and is serial # 99662CF. The other is on top of the head, where the ears drop down onto the husking bed. The serial # there is 99370CC. Both are the exact same tag w/ different serial #\'s. Both say model 83. I assume that one is for the main unit, one is for the head attachment. Thanks for the info. Hows the weather in Ohio?\nHere is another problem with that serial number list. Your picker is a 1972 model and one of the last 150 pickers built, no problem there. According to my book 99662CF is a sheller, husking beds have the CE sufix and if yours is that number the last one they list for 72 production is 99661, but the first sheller unit is 99662CF so it looks like they built the husking beds then built the shellers maybe? John\n\n\nJohn, went out and double checked the serial numbers, and they were correct. Maybe mine was the last one w/ husking bed made? Doesn\'t really make any sense though if CF is for shellers and CE is husking beds. I am positive it says CF though. They only made 150 in 1972? Is there any way to tell how many mine was from the last one made? Once again thanks for your information. Seems as though these serial numbers can be tricky to sort out. LOL[/quote:l2lmjrbw]\nIf I teach school Monday I will take that sheet along and make you a copy and you can sort it out. They are talking freezing rain with snow after that on Monday. Our county roads are all ice. John[/quote:l2lmjrbw]\n\n\n\nThanks John, I was just wondering where you have gotten the serial number reference? Is it a reliable source of info or is it one of them that contains some not so correct info? You teach school? I take it that you must be a substitute? Anyway, thanks for taking the time for my question. Take care and drive carefully on those slippery roads!  \n\n-Wide (freezing to death in MN) Open\n\n[/quote:l2lmjrbw]\nYour 1800 was made in the late spring early summer of 64. I copied that pick sheet off today and their is a definate miss print on that page. Send me an e-mail at: <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:aschwieb@bright.net\">aschwieb@bright.net</a><!-- e --> Put your phone number on it. I will be home later tonigh, I would say by 9:30 my time, I am one hour ahead of you. I have church council tonigh. John[/quote:l2lmjrbw][/quote:l2lmjrbw][/quote:l2lmjrbw]\r\n\r\nJohn, I cannot get the e-mail to work again. Darn computers. Anyhow, I can be reached at 1-320-987-3191. I will be home all tonight( Feb. 4) You can call up until 9:30. If you have any questions or anything else you want to know. Thanks. Wide Open','',0,0,'gA==','l2lmjrbw',0,0,'u_450','',0),(1600,0,35,0,'',1075939416,1,1,1,1,'magazine','Sherry\r\n\r\nAfter looking at all the posts I feel that you could have a very successful magazine. I will be glad to help any way that I can. As I stated on YT a White umbrella magazine might be the ticket. My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dodsonf@bellsouth.net\">dodsonf@bellsouth.net</a><!-- e --> and phone is 731-424-4104.\r\n You have a lot more support than those self serving directors.\r\n\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2f2wsk0l',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1601,0,35,0,'',1075939416,1,1,1,1,'magazine','Sherry\r\n\r\nAfter looking at all the posts I feel that you could have a very successful magazine. I will be glad to help any way that I can. As I stated on YT a White umbrella magazine might be the ticket. My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dodsonf@bellsouth.net\">dodsonf@bellsouth.net</a><!-- e --> and phone is 731-424-4104.\r\n You have a lot more support than those self serving directors.\r\n\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2f2wsk0l',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1615,0,492,0,'',1076019169,1,1,1,1,'770 pto pulley','I really think that the 1650 PTO pulley is different. It bolts on to the PTO housing. The 770 PTO housing is different.','',0,0,'gA==','1qt45dkc',0,0,'u_492','',0),(1639,0,464,0,'',1076033530,1,1,1,1,'Re: WE SUPPORT YOU','Sherry,\r\nSEND ME A PRIVATE EMAIL TO <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:edward.tabor@zoominternet.net\">edward.tabor@zoominternet.net</a><!-- e -->.  \r\nI don\'t trust u2u for privatew info.  I wish to discuss the new mag.\r\n\r\ned\r\n[quote:o9qhn8zs]Bob is very much aware of what\'s going on because he keeps prodding me in the back to start a new magazine.  \n\nIt IS unfortunate that this has all happened, but the damage is done.  I doubt that it could ever be repaired, so we must move on.  Better days are ahead.\nSherry[/quote:o9qhn8zs]','',0,0,'gA==','o9qhn8zs',0,0,'u_464','',0),(1641,0,464,0,'',1076033656,1,1,1,1,'Re: Landis','I believe we will hear very soon of Landis resigning his position.\r\n\r\nEd\r\n[quote:37mq5x1w]This is the stuff that needs to get out and this does suck. I talked to landis at an auction in the spring and he was alluding to the fact at the time that there was a problem with the board and Sherry and then to go after Ollie and kick him off the nominating committee is just down right wrong and this clique stuff is wrong. I would cancel my membership if it were not finding out about some good auctions through the magazine. \n\n[quote:37mq5x1w]Landis has copies of letters that this board has written that would make you want to vomit.  They have cut ties with MANY good men...I\'ll bet Bob TaLLMAN is tossing in his grave right about now.  I hate to see Landis go, but I understand his rationale.  Bob always said that, if certian members got elected to the board, the club as we know and love it would go to hell.  And, it has.  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:edward.tabor@zoominternet.net\">edward.tabor@zoominternet.net</a><!-- e -->[/quote:37mq5x1w][/quote:37mq5x1w]','',0,0,'gA==','37mq5x1w',0,0,'u_464','',0),(1646,0,345,0,'',1076037939,1,1,1,1,'Re: Cheap Semi','[quote:1d3fsz51].50/mile.  Hell, I charge friends more than that to use my 3/4 ton pickup and flat bed gooseneck.  People I don\'t know I charge 2.00/loaded mile plus 40.00 chain fee.\n\nEd [/quote:1d3fsz51]\r\n\r\nYep Ed, this deal is getting really out of hand !!!!!\r\n\r\nI don\'t even know Ollie, have seen him at the farm show in Louisville, and seen Sherry there, and watched her sister pull the Night Train 4x4 pulling truck. You can bet I\'ll intorduce myself and visit with them this year !!!!\r\n\r\nI\'ll also ask how to subscribe to the NEW Oliver magazine !!!\r\n\r\nInteresting deal with Andy being a trucker, and not sticking up for Ollie, but then, he seems to be on the \"other\" side. Wish there weren\'t any sides !!','',0,0,'gA==','1d3fsz51',0,0,'u_345','',0),(1655,0,35,0,'',1076210552,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:m709tfp7]Frank I agree. Man I can\'t tell you how excited I am about the new,new magazine[/quote:m709tfp7]\r\n\r\nDanny\r\nI am glad that there is so much excitement. We need to support her as much as possible.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','m709tfp7',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1670,0,407,0,'',1076287273,1,1,1,1,'olivers and tempers','Yeah I\'ve seen alot of tempers on here, lost mine as well. Thats why I quit posting anything on the hpoca part of it. I like it much better just talking about old tractors. That and I\'m less likely to say something stupid when I\'m not pissed.\r\n\r\nCool that you played volleyball too. I still play on the weekends, I am Marlboro user now though so I get winded easier. I can still show those punks a good block and middle hit though. I\'ll have to side with your boyfriend on the fords, I also deal with a pro chevy girlfriend so I know where you\'re coming from! But at least chevy is easier to deal with than dodge;) j/k. \r\n\r\nWell I hope you have a good time in your dorm and maybe eventually this will all die down on here. I\'m going to calmly wait it out from here on. Later--Adam','',0,0,'gA==','3n1oeoag',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1671,0,407,0,'',1076287273,1,1,1,1,'olivers and tempers','Yeah I\'ve seen alot of tempers on here, lost mine as well. Thats why I quit posting anything on the hpoca part of it. I like it much better just talking about old tractors. That and I\'m less likely to say something stupid when I\'m not pissed.\r\n\r\nCool that you played volleyball too. I still play on the weekends, I am Marlboro user now though so I get winded easier. I can still show those punks a good block and middle hit though. I\'ll have to side with your boyfriend on the fords, I also deal with a pro chevy girlfriend so I know where you\'re coming from! But at least chevy is easier to deal with than dodge;) j/k. \r\n\r\nWell I hope you have a good time in your dorm and maybe eventually this will all die down on here. I\'m going to calmly wait it out from here on. Later--Adam','',0,0,'gA==','3n1oeoag',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1673,0,372,0,'',1076288943,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Danny,\r\n   I can only tell you what I think and feel.  It is still my opinion that the best hope of saving a viable club is for the board and officiers to all resign.  I think that Sherry is gone for good and I have supported her efforts to start a new magagine.  (Incidently if you have not contacted her at sherry@oliverinformation you should to encourage her with the magazine.)  This current set of officiers and board have behaved very arrogantly toward the membership.  They act like they are not accountable to anyone.  I will very likely just let my membership in the HPOCA lapse unless the board and president are removed promptly. With Sherry\'s new magazine and a membership in the local retired iron club I have all that is really needed.  With the likes of Andy out there trying to take advantage of every situation I don\'t hold out much hope for a turnaround in the club.\r\n  My work takes me to public meetings of local government.  Sometimes the croud is upset over something like a water rate increase or basement flooding.  Anyway the way a lot of polititions handle the heat is to say nothing or say soothing things and wait for the croud to cool off and realize that they probably can\'t fight city hall.  Does any of this sound familiar?\r\nDanny, it sounds to me like we are pretty much on the same page.  What part of the country are you form.  I\'m from northwestern Indiana.','',0,0,'gA==','29sxc897',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1675,0,464,0,'',1076297617,1,1,1,1,'Landis and Bob','Bob LeFever is one nice guy and you will be VERY impresseed by his collection of RARE tractors that, quite frankly, you will never see at a show.  I also look forward to meeting you, and I have every intention of being in attendance at the Winter Get Together.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,0,'gA==','1zmex53z',0,0,'u_464','',0),(1693,0,372,0,'',1076364302,1,1,1,1,'Re: new club','[quote:3sqg6vfb]If you were not to go to the winter meeting would you consider giving someone like Landis your proxy vote?[/quote:3sqg6vfb]   Yes I certainly would give a proxy vote to someone like Landis and no I can\'t go to the winter show.  When you get a chance please let me know what\'s up.  I will not discuss this with anyone else nor on the forum\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','3sqg6vfb',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1695,0,372,0,'',1076364447,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','[quote:3h3mb1lk]I\'m in northeast maryland. I\'ve already sent my $200 to Sherry for her new magazine.\n\nAre you anywhere near Portland, In. The only travels I\'ve had into In. is once going to the Portland show. That was many years ago, while I was still a teen. Really nice show I\'ve always said I\'d like to go back.[/quote:3h3mb1lk]\r\nNo I\'m not very close to Portland.  You would always be welcome out our way.  Maybe if there is a reformed HPOCA down the road we can meet up and one of the shows.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','3h3mb1lk',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1705,0,35,0,'',1076369332,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','[quote:2lpfj1k3]If you were not to go to the winter meeting would you consider giving someone like landis your proxy? please no disscusion of this on the forum.[/quote:2lpfj1k3]\r\n\r\nI will be more than happy to do so. I will call him tomorrow.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2lpfj1k3',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1711,0,372,0,'',1076377480,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','[quote:32jhwvdr]i\'d like that. No matter what happens with HPOCA. I think its Important for members to stay in contact. I suppose you won\'t be able to attend the winter get together.\nThe future of HPOCA don\'t look to promising to me.  But that shouldn\'t matter anyway. More options are forming w/ HPOCA\'s demise.\n\nMy email: <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dannytabor@dol.net\">dannytabor@dol.net</a><!-- e --> [/quote:32jhwvdr]','',0,0,'gA==','32jhwvdr',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1713,0,372,0,'',1076378122,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','[quote:3ujt1mxy]i\'d like that. No matter what happens with HPOCA. I think its Important for members to stay in contact. I suppose you won\'t be able to attend the winter get together.\nThe future of HPOCA don\'t look to promising to me.  But that shouldn\'t matter anyway. More options are forming w/ HPOCA\'s demise.\n\nMy email: <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dannytabor@dol.net\">dannytabor@dol.net</a><!-- e --> [/quote:3ujt1mxy]\r\n\r\nDanny,\r\n   No I can\'t go to the winter get together.  I do agree that Oliver guys need to stick together --- even more if those idiots ruin our club.  We are about 60 miles southeast of Chicago.  Stop by.  We\' love to see you. I\'ll e mail you but I wanted to U2U this time because I expect that the powers that be are watching the numbers of U2U and I\'d like to worry them a little.  \r\nBye the way I am not a farmer just a humble engineer.  There are a 60, S77 and an 88 all row crops in the shed.  What about your stable?\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','3ujt1mxy',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1715,0,372,0,'',1076379248,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','[quote:2j4cpe1l]John, \n Talked with Landis this morning. He does not want to do it. He supports the Idea.  he just wants not to be involved at this time. I mentioned an alternate person who happens to post here and has a 3 digit #. He said it would be a good choice if we can get him to do it. Said he had something to do with the show and would be there. I will contact him next. \n Just so you know I have not been a member long. But feel my vote counts as much as Terry or Andy.\n By the by-laws as Andy likes to qoute so much. It only take 100 of us to get a special meeting to remove officers[/quote:2j4cpe1l]\r\nKeith,\r\n  Landis has a business to protect.  I\'m not surprised that he doesn\'t feel that he can get involved now.  I\'m not all that optimistic that things can be changed quickly enough to save the club a major falling out, but I\'d like to be wrong.  You can have my proxy.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','2j4cpe1l',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1717,0,35,0,'',1076383724,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','[quote:2cgw6xjl][quote:2cgw6xjl][quote:2cgw6xjl]If you were not to go to the winter meeting would you consider giving someone like landis your proxy? please no disscusion of this on the forum.[/quote:2cgw6xjl]\n\nI will be more than happy to do so. I will call him tomorrow.\n\nLet me know because I will be glad to give my proxy to Danny.\nFrank[/quote:2cgw6xjl]\n\nFrank,\nLandis would prefer not to it. I am going but looking for somone who has been around awhile. danny is thinking about it.[/quote:2cgw6xjl]','',0,0,'gA==','2cgw6xjl',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1731,0,372,0,'',1076424949,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','[quote:s2acbzo3]Sorry, Accidently sent before giving my address.\n\nKeith Martin\n10650 Collins-Riley Rd.\nBlanchester Oh. 45107\n\n[/quote:s2acbzo3]\r\n\r\nKeith,\r\n   What exactly do you want me to mail to you?  Do you have a proxy form that I can sign?\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','s2acbzo3',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1751,0,407,0,'',1076435716,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','Yes I will be in Landcaster, not sure if I\'m attending the meeting meeting yet. No problem with not posting. I would vote disturbed or rather disgruntled. \r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:1gfqv37u]Will you be attending the meeting? If not would you consider giving your proxy vote to a group of members disturbed with the actions of the board? Please post nothing on the forum about this yet[/quote:1gfqv37u]','',0,0,'gA==','1gfqv37u',0,0,'u_407','',0),(1759,0,372,0,'',1076451641,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','[quote:1x6rdhwt]Just send me anything saying, You , state your name, give me your proxy for the HPOCA winter meeting of 2004. \n Sign and Date it with yur member #[/quote:1x6rdhwt]\r\nKeith,\r\n  I\'ll get something in the mail.  \r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','1x6rdhwt',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1761,0,372,0,'',1076451740,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','[quote:2daje68x]keithmartin@dragonbbs.com\n\nIf you aren\'t making the winter thing email this guy. Maybe you already know. Keith M will fill you in on the details.   Danny[/quote:2daje68x]\r\nDanny,\r\n   I\'m sending him my proxy.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','2daje68x',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1770,0,510,0,'',1076457495,1,1,1,1,'Super 77 or 770','John,\r\n\r\nThanks for your patience and information on the YTmag forum.  I was unaware of this site.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention.\r\n\r\nI purchased this tractor at auction, and it was billed as a Super 77.  It was painted green with white wheels, no decals.  The more I find out about it, it\'s totally possible that it was made up from parts.\r\n\r\nIt definitely has a 770 dash/cowl.  The grille and hood are Super 77 with small battery door.  It is gas powered, NF on pressed steel wheels, no power steering, and a swinging drawbar.\r\n\r\nI purchased a service manual from Jensales.  From the information I\'ve read so far, there is little difference except cosmetics.  Anything else I might check to verify what it is?\r\n\r\nDale','',0,0,'gA==','3nrvsrc0',0,0,'u_510','',0),(1771,0,510,0,'',1076457495,1,1,1,1,'Super 77 or 770','John,\r\n\r\nThanks for your patience and information on the YTmag forum.  I was unaware of this site.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention.\r\n\r\nI purchased this tractor at auction, and it was billed as a Super 77.  It was painted green with white wheels, no decals.  The more I find out about it, it\'s totally possible that it was made up from parts.\r\n\r\nIt definitely has a 770 dash/cowl.  The grille and hood are Super 77 with small battery door.  It is gas powered, NF on pressed steel wheels, no power steering, and a swinging drawbar.\r\n\r\nI purchased a service manual from Jensales.  From the information I\'ve read so far, there is little difference except cosmetics.  Anything else I might check to verify what it is?\r\n\r\nDale','',0,0,'gA==','3nrvsrc0',0,0,'u_510','',0),(1773,0,360,0,'',1076460804,1,1,1,1,'Re:','It is sad that it came to this but these guy have ruined it and people need to know that.  I just posted a thing on yesterdays tractor that I could not post here because it would have gotten deleated. I go by Eric the Red there.\r\n\r\n[quote:16vwnq55]I\'m glad I\'m not the only one who feels this way. The board screwed up many ways. But i think one of the biggest is assuming the silent majority of members as magazine subscribers. I remember joining HPOCA as a teen. I really believed in it. Now its time to move on and support sherry. We can make another club later. While maybe our smaller clubs won\'t accomplish what large scale projects, such as #3 restoration. But there isn\'t anything to feel bad about cause neither can HPOCA accomplish such projects. This has been proven to me. I say it with tears in my eye\'s. [/quote:16vwnq55]','',0,0,'gA==','16vwnq55',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1786,0,40,0,'',1076514481,1,1,1,1,'Re: By-laws','John:\r\n\r\nI\'ve copied what I sent to by-laws committe members concerning my thoughtso on regions and elected directors.  I;ve inserted it after my name.\r\n\r\nPersonally I think that directors should be from different parts of the country and they should be elected.  As a matter of fact the Articles of Incoporation require that they be elected at the annual meeting and that there be no less than 2 nor no more than 9.  To change that the club has to go the Iowa court system and get a change approved.  Personally I think 9 directors are enough.\r\n\r\nAnyway if you read what I\'ve included you\'ll see what I\'m thinking.  The four officers would remain and would be elected by all the members.  I think the hassle about a nominating committee would probably die down if the people selecting the committee were elected board members.\r\n\r\nLet me know what you think.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\nRegions and Elected Directors\r\n\r\nSeems like most everyone is in favor of elected directors if you go by what is being posted on the by-laws forum. That should not be a problem since that is what the Articles of Incorporation say must be done.\r\n\r\nThe number of directors is now limited by the Articles of Incorporation to no more than 9. The way I read that it appears the elected officers (president, vice president, secretary and treasurer) would not necessarily have to count towards the limit of 9. Therefore I think we could have 9 elected \"directors\" in addition to the 4 elected officers. The elected officers would not be able to vote. \r\n\r\nAnother alternative would be having the president serve as the chairman of the board and then have 8 elected directors. We could make it that president could only vote if there was a tie. Something like VP Cheney being the president pro-tempre of the Senate and he only gets to vote on bills when there is a tie.\r\n\r\nNow as far regions go, I would make it somewhat simple. I would divide the country in half using the Mississippi as the East/West dividing line then I would go across the country using states south of Illinois and Iowa as the North/South dividing line. Then we would have 4 regions. I would then get out the directory and start counting members in each region. After those figures were known I\'d divide up the number of directors somewhat like the Congressional Districts are set up within States.\r\n\r\nFor simplicity, I would call the regions Northeast, Southeast, Northwest and Southwest. Since Iowa and Illinois would be in separate regions that would take care of some concern that the members have about those states being too heavily represented on the board. As an example of what might happen the NE region might have three members, NW 3 members and the SE and SW regions 1each. \r\n\r\nI don\'t know if it would work, but at least the members from around the country would be represented. It won\'t make everybody happy, but I also think those areas with the most members should have a bigger representation on the board.\r\n\r\nThe members from outside the country could be included in the various regions. I supppose you\'d have to divide Canada in 2 and assign those members to the NE and NW regions. Members from Europe could go the the SE and any Aussie or New Zealand members go to the SW.\r\n\r\nI think a nominating committee for the 4 elected officers that was selected by the \"elected\" board would relieve some of the tension over that concern. I would let the regions each nominate their candiates for the board.\r\n\r\n[quote:3sk3qsby]Hi Bill, Andy said that I should contact you concerning the by-laws and some ideas that you have. That is all he told me so I\'m not sure what else to say. John Hume #3527.[/quote:3sk3qsby]','',0,0,'gA==','3sk3qsby',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1789,0,360,0,'',1076520445,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Danny,\r\n\r\nIf you know the Pa turnpike I live about 10 miles off the the somerset exit. Just let me know we have 15 olivers and 10 or so implements and also 45 pedal tractors and 250 or so 1/16th scale toys. I say we most are dads but I do most of the restoration work. Were are you coming from?\r\n\r\nquote]Ed, Where\'s Berlin, Pa. I\'d like to visit with you sometime. Seem like a sensible fella. I guess with hpoca like it is. Us sensible fella\'s gotta stick together.\r\nemail   <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dannytabor2000@yahoo.com\">dannytabor2000@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:2dbk4rur]It is sad that it came to this but these guy have ruined it and people need to know that.  I just posted a thing on yesterdays tractor that I could not post here because it would have gotten deleated. I go by Eric the Red there.\n\n[quote:2dbk4rur]I\'m glad I\'m not the only one who feels this way. The board screwed up many ways. But i think one of the biggest is assuming the silent majority of members as magazine subscribers. I remember joining HPOCA as a teen. I really believed in it. Now its time to move on and support sherry. We can make another club later. While maybe our smaller clubs won\'t accomplish what large scale projects, such as #3 restoration. But there isn\'t anything to feel bad about cause neither can HPOCA accomplish such projects. This has been proven to me. I say it with tears in my eye\'s. [/quote:2dbk4rur][/quote:2dbk4rur][/quote]','',0,0,'gA==','2dbk4rur',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1794,0,40,0,'',1076557067,1,1,1,1,'Re: I like your ideas.','John: \r\n\r\nLet me know how the regions would work out.  I did not take the time to even break out the states by region since I don\'t have a directory.\r\n  \r\nThey all would have to have at least 1 board member, but if the NE gets 5 and the others only get one at least the board would be representative of how the members are distributed throughout the country.\r\n\r\nI\'m not sure that there will be a lot of members willing to serve as a director and pay his own expenses to attend the meetings and shows.  We will just have to see.\r\n\r\nAre you going to be in Lancaster?\r\n\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:30mx7pc0] Bill, your ideas make good sense. The reason I had eleven members was to make dividing the regions come out as far as equal numbers.\n\n I have the total number of members in each state on a map already, I will do some figuring and see how it would work out.\n \nThe president as a tie-breaker is good. I like having checks and balances! \n\n John[/quote:30mx7pc0]','',0,0,'gA==','30mx7pc0',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1798,0,12,0,'',1076593733,1,1,1,1,'4 regions','Bill, I divided the map into four parts. East and west by the Mississippi, North and South by the Ohio river and southern boarder of Pennsylvania down to the Delaware Bay. To the west south of Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, and Oregon. European members included in the SE quadrant, Asian and Aus/New Zealand in the SW quadrant.\r\n\r\nThe NE would have the highest number with 3399. The NW would have 1288. The SW would have 734. The SE would have 617. \r\n\r\nOne other way to divide the East would be run the north/south line up the western side of Pennsylvania and include the NE states with the SE. That would make the numbers: Central states 2380, NE/SE 1636, NW 1288, SW 734.\r\n\r\nThat would be a little more even. John.','',0,0,'gA==','18y0dtmg',0,0,'u_12','',0),(1804,0,510,0,'',1076674078,1,1,1,1,'Re: Super 77 or 770','[quote:3cp6jscv][quote:3cp6jscv]John,\n\nThanks for your patience and information on the YTmag forum.  I was unaware of this site.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention.\n\nI purchased this tractor at auction, and it was billed as a Super 77.  It was painted green with white wheels, no decals.  The more I find out about it, it\'s totally possible that it was made up from parts.\n\nIt definitely has a 770 dash/cowl.  The grille and hood are Super 77 with small battery door.  It is gas powered, NF on pressed steel wheels, no power steering, and a swinging drawbar.\n\nI purchased a service manual from Jensales.  From the information I\'ve read so far, there is little difference except cosmetics.  Anything else I might check to verify what it is?\n\nDale\nI think you are like me and in Ohio. If so where. I used to work for the dealer in Napoleon.\n[/quote:3cp6jscv][/quote:3cp6jscv]\r\n\r\nJohn\r\nI live near Mount Vernon, just south of Mansfield.','',0,0,'gA==','3cp6jscv',0,0,'u_510','',0),(1805,0,510,0,'',1076674078,1,1,1,1,'Re: Super 77 or 770','[quote:3cp6jscv][quote:3cp6jscv]John,\n\nThanks for your patience and information on the YTmag forum.  I was unaware of this site.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention.\n\nI purchased this tractor at auction, and it was billed as a Super 77.  It was painted green with white wheels, no decals.  The more I find out about it, it\'s totally possible that it was made up from parts.\n\nIt definitely has a 770 dash/cowl.  The grille and hood are Super 77 with small battery door.  It is gas powered, NF on pressed steel wheels, no power steering, and a swinging drawbar.\n\nI purchased a service manual from Jensales.  From the information I\'ve read so far, there is little difference except cosmetics.  Anything else I might check to verify what it is?\n\nDale\nI think you are like me and in Ohio. If so where. I used to work for the dealer in Napoleon.\n[/quote:3cp6jscv][/quote:3cp6jscv]\r\n\r\nJohn\r\nI live near Mount Vernon, just south of Mansfield.','',0,0,'gA==','3cp6jscv',0,0,'u_510','',0),(1811,0,360,0,'',1076730974,1,1,1,1,'Re: andy\\\'s a....','He can say all this stuff because a lot of people have no clue as to what is going on in this. But that is ok will look forward to sherrys magazine and be a pain in the rear end of these guys on here. Andy needs to come up for air and see what is going on.\r\n\r\n[quote:300caoyn]Andy\'s a nit wit. I don\'t believe a word he says. I\'ve already talked with plenty of people who are just going to let their membership expire.\nNo questions. No fight. Just let it go. \nWhen Sherry\'s magazine comes out even more will leave. I guess he\'s attempting damage control. Feel sorry for Chris Losey though. Poor bugger.\nDanny[/quote:300caoyn]','',0,0,'gA==','300caoyn',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1823,0,9,0,'',1076846428,1,1,1,1,'TN Oliver Club','Mr. Dodson,\r\nYou had expressed interest earlier in a TN chapter.  I am the treasurer of the Olde Southern chapter which has basically gone no where.  After a talk with the president we wondered if you would like to take over the chapter.  We only had a very small number of widely scattered members.  I live near Nashville, TN and there are a few members in the Atlanta area.  Please advise if you are interested in this offer.  With all the problems of the HPOCA lately I wonder what the future will bring.  Personally I am displeased with the national organization.  When I heard Landis left, it really bothered me.  He seems like a man of good judgement.  My brother collect crawlers and has had a lot of dealings with him, all of which have been extremely fair and honest.  His leaving the board is a very bad sign of things to come.  \r\nHave a good day,\r\nFrank Hudson\r\nCastalian Springs, TN\r\n615-452-6273','',0,0,'gA==','1enxlcgw',0,0,'u_9','',0),(1837,0,26,0,'',1076883887,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Thank you, thank you!  I need all the help I can get with stories for this issue.  I have a lot of preliminary paperwork to do in addition to putting the magazine together.  But I made a committment and I will do my best to honor it. Don\'t worry about the proofreading and editing.  I can handle that.  \r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','7wmtvzit',0,0,'u_26','',0),(1842,0,35,0,'',1076886539,1,1,1,1,'HPOCA','Ed\r\n\r\nI appreciate your remarks to Andy. He can\'t leave it alone and will continue trying to discredit Sherry. I beleive HPOCA is in serious trouble and will continue to go down hill with individuals such as him doing the talking.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2z2vph4p',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1843,0,35,0,'',1076886539,1,1,1,1,'HPOCA','Ed\r\n\r\nI appreciate your remarks to Andy. He can\'t leave it alone and will continue trying to discredit Sherry. I beleive HPOCA is in serious trouble and will continue to go down hill with individuals such as him doing the talking.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2z2vph4p',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1844,0,35,0,'',1076886952,1,1,1,1,'Re: TN Oliver Club','[quote:1s0xcwdm]Mr. Dodson,\nYou had expressed interest earlier in a TN chapter.  I am the treasurer of the Olde Southern chapter which has basically gone no where.  After a talk with the president we wondered if you would like to take over the chapter.  We only had a very small number of widely scattered members.  I live near Nashville, TN and there are a few members in the Atlanta area.  Please advise if you are interested in this offer.  With all the problems of the HPOCA lately I wonder what the future will bring.  Personally I am displeased with the national organization.  When I heard Landis left, it really bothered me.  He seems like a man of good judgement.  My brother collect crawlers and has had a lot of dealings with him, all of which have been extremely fair and honest.  His leaving the board is a very bad sign of things to come.  \nHave a good day,\nFrank Hudson\nCastalian Springs, TN\n615-452-6273    [/quote:1s0xcwdm]\r\n\r\nFrank\r\n\r\nBefore all the mess with HPOCA I had talked to several individuals concerning a chapter for TN, southern KY, north AL and north Miss. I met with Ollie and Landis at Penfield this past summer and was set to send out letters requesting interest. I have put this on hold to see what will happen. I can\'t support the present board.\r\n\r\nI am encouraging interested Oliver collectors to subscribe to Sherrys new magazine.','',0,0,'gA==','1s0xcwdm',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1845,0,35,0,'',1076886952,1,1,1,1,'Re: TN Oliver Club','[quote:1s0xcwdm]Mr. Dodson,\nYou had expressed interest earlier in a TN chapter.  I am the treasurer of the Olde Southern chapter which has basically gone no where.  After a talk with the president we wondered if you would like to take over the chapter.  We only had a very small number of widely scattered members.  I live near Nashville, TN and there are a few members in the Atlanta area.  Please advise if you are interested in this offer.  With all the problems of the HPOCA lately I wonder what the future will bring.  Personally I am displeased with the national organization.  When I heard Landis left, it really bothered me.  He seems like a man of good judgement.  My brother collect crawlers and has had a lot of dealings with him, all of which have been extremely fair and honest.  His leaving the board is a very bad sign of things to come.  \nHave a good day,\nFrank Hudson\nCastalian Springs, TN\n615-452-6273    [/quote:1s0xcwdm]\r\n\r\nFrank\r\n\r\nBefore all the mess with HPOCA I had talked to several individuals concerning a chapter for TN, southern KY, north AL and north Miss. I met with Ollie and Landis at Penfield this past summer and was set to send out letters requesting interest. I have put this on hold to see what will happen. I can\'t support the present board.\r\n\r\nI am encouraging interested Oliver collectors to subscribe to Sherrys new magazine.','',0,0,'gA==','1s0xcwdm',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1855,0,35,0,'',1076904050,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:iv802h1v]Hi Frank. We are thinkiin about buyin the rest of the toys. Lookin for a group to get landis and sherry off the hook as it look like the club will surely let this project fail for perssonal reasons  You interested?? Bob [/quote:iv802h1v]\r\n\r\nyes','',0,0,'gA==','iv802h1v',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1857,0,372,0,'',1076904080,1,1,1,1,'Winter Show Meeting','Danny,\r\n   Will you U2U a message to me after the meeting?  I need to decide if I am going to stay with the HPOCA.  My membership is about to expire.  It would be good to hear what happens at the meeting for someone besides the donut man.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','zr75oc3f',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1863,0,372,0,'',1076941348,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Show Meeting','[quote:3ompgxky]I will, John, Although no matter what happens I believe the damage is almost to great to repair. My mind is made up. I\'m going to close the HPOCA book and put it on the shelf. Open Oliver Heritage and start a new. Been working on a story for the new magazine. I told Sherry I feel there are many more in me.\nDanny[/quote:3ompgxky]\r\nThanks Danny.   I\'ll look forward to your stories in Oliver Heritage.  For what it is worth, I expect that I\'m done with the HPOCA too.  I\'m wavering a little on the hope that the current officiers come to their senses.  Foolish hope probably.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','3ompgxky',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1866,0,65,0,'',1076964346,1,1,1,1,'Cockshutt 550 diesel','I had a call reguarding 550 diesel crankshaft. Parts numbers look the same for diesel and gas engine . Hercules in Toronto has a crank that measures up but has no counter weight . It\'s been 8-10 years since I have done 550 so can\'t just visulize it but I advised not to go with that crank. Can you shed any light on this ? thanks Grant     <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:thedesolivers@bmts.com\">thedesolivers@bmts.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','gn2n4147',0,0,'u_65','',0),(1867,0,65,0,'',1076964346,1,1,1,1,'Cockshutt 550 diesel','I had a call reguarding 550 diesel crankshaft. Parts numbers look the same for diesel and gas engine . Hercules in Toronto has a crank that measures up but has no counter weight . It\'s been 8-10 years since I have done 550 so can\'t just visulize it but I advised not to go with that crank. Can you shed any light on this ? thanks Grant     <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:thedesolivers@bmts.com\">thedesolivers@bmts.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,0,'gA==','gn2n4147',0,0,'u_65','',0),(1901,0,360,0,'',1077061161,1,1,1,1,'Re: while on a roll','I deleted the last message that you sent me on Ollie by accident. I have no clue here, Just what I read on this site. I just can not believe that someone that was a past president of this club is not fit to be on the committee. I should got to the winter meeting but can only get one day off of work and the oliver auction in meadville pa that day seems better to go to.','',0,0,'gA==','q3zfqpld',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1912,0,40,0,'',1077073554,1,1,1,1,'Re: 4 regions','John:\r\n\r\nGot your message, but I\'m in Iowa working on Olivers.\r\n\r\nAndy wants suggestions to him by the 20th.  I\'m going to forward your U2U to him for his consideration.\r\n\r\nThanks for the work you did.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:3nd5bede]Bill, I divided the map into four parts. East and west by the Mississippi, North and South by the Ohio river and southern boarder of Pennsylvania down to the Delaware Bay. To the west south of Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, and Oregon. European members included in the SE quadrant, Asian and Aus/New Zealand in the SW quadrant.\n\nThe NE would have the highest number with 3399. The NW would have 1288. The SW would have 734. The SE would have 617. \n\nOne other way to divide the East would be run the north/south line up the western side of Pennsylvania and include the NE states with the SE. That would make the numbers: Central states 2380, NE/SE 1636, NW 1288, SW 734.\n\nThat would be a little more even. John.[/quote:3nd5bede]','',0,0,'gA==','3nd5bede',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1913,0,40,0,'',1077073554,1,1,1,1,'Re: 4 regions','John:\r\n\r\nGot your message, but I\'m in Iowa working on Olivers.\r\n\r\nAndy wants suggestions to him by the 20th.  I\'m going to forward your U2U to him for his consideration.\r\n\r\nThanks for the work you did.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:3nd5bede]Bill, I divided the map into four parts. East and west by the Mississippi, North and South by the Ohio river and southern boarder of Pennsylvania down to the Delaware Bay. To the west south of Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, and Oregon. European members included in the SE quadrant, Asian and Aus/New Zealand in the SW quadrant.\n\nThe NE would have the highest number with 3399. The NW would have 1288. The SW would have 734. The SE would have 617. \n\nOne other way to divide the East would be run the north/south line up the western side of Pennsylvania and include the NE states with the SE. That would make the numbers: Central states 2380, NE/SE 1636, NW 1288, SW 734.\n\nThat would be a little more even. John.[/quote:3nd5bede]','',0,0,'gA==','3nd5bede',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1914,0,40,0,'',1077073797,1,1,1,1,'Fwd: 4 regions','Andy:\r\n\r\nJohn  and I have been sending U2US about regions. I\'m forwarding the U2U John sent where he worked out the members per region.  I thought you might like to see what he came up with.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:3v0y5lil]Bill, I divided the map into four parts. East and west by the Mississippi, North and South by the Ohio river and southern boarder of Pennsylvania down to the Delaware Bay. To the west south of Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, and Oregon. European members included in the SE quadrant, Asian and Aus/New Zealand in the SW quadrant.\n\nThe NE would have the highest number with 3399. The NW would have 1288. The SW would have 734. The SE would have 617. \n\nOne other way to divide the East would be run the north/south line up the western side of Pennsylvania and include the NE states with the SE. That would make the numbers: Central states 2380, NE/SE 1636, NW 1288, SW 734.\n\nThat would be a little more even. John.[/quote:3v0y5lil]','',0,0,'gA==','3v0y5lil',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1915,0,40,0,'',1077073797,1,1,1,1,'Fwd: 4 regions','Andy:\r\n\r\nJohn  and I have been sending U2US about regions. I\'m forwarding the U2U John sent where he worked out the members per region.  I thought you might like to see what he came up with.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:3v0y5lil]Bill, I divided the map into four parts. East and west by the Mississippi, North and South by the Ohio river and southern boarder of Pennsylvania down to the Delaware Bay. To the west south of Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, Idaho, and Oregon. European members included in the SE quadrant, Asian and Aus/New Zealand in the SW quadrant.\n\nThe NE would have the highest number with 3399. The NW would have 1288. The SW would have 734. The SE would have 617. \n\nOne other way to divide the East would be run the north/south line up the western side of Pennsylvania and include the NE states with the SE. That would make the numbers: Central states 2380, NE/SE 1636, NW 1288, SW 734.\n\nThat would be a little more even. John.[/quote:3v0y5lil]','',0,0,'gA==','3v0y5lil',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1917,0,35,0,'',1077074013,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:bde8evxm]email me Frank  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Cookie081955@aol.com\">Cookie081955@aol.com</a><!-- e -->  Thanks[/quote:bde8evxm]\r\n\r\nWhere are you?','',0,0,'gA==','bde8evxm',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1920,0,360,0,'',1077133549,1,1,1,1,'Re: thread','Ed,\r\nThanks for the info.\r\nEric\r\n\r\n[quote:1z6c8mjs]Hi Ed....just to let you know that oleblu is Terry\'s best friend from Galesburg....Ed[/quote:1z6c8mjs]','',0,0,'gA==','1z6c8mjs',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1921,0,360,0,'',1077133549,1,1,1,1,'Re: thread','Ed,\r\nThanks for the info.\r\nEric\r\n\r\n[quote:1z6c8mjs]Hi Ed....just to let you know that oleblu is Terry\'s best friend from Galesburg....Ed[/quote:1z6c8mjs]','',0,0,'gA==','1z6c8mjs',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1928,0,65,0,'',1077145096,1,1,1,1,'550 crank diesel','I\'m playing piggy in the middle !! Ken Irwin at Simcoe called re the crank for Dennis Stewrard in Brantford . apperently took his crank out,measured it then got 20 thou bearings ,took to machine shop and crank has crack next to one journel. they don\'t know if the crank will weld and hold. His has counter wieghts .Hercules in Toronto has one less counter weights measures up the rest of the way,My advice was keep looking ! And he would like to use his bearings if possible and buy in canadian dollars too!! I,m trying to stay away but keep getting draggedback into the mess!! Any ideas besides run?','',0,0,'gA==','3qb4dxme',0,0,'u_65','',0),(1929,0,65,0,'',1077145096,1,1,1,1,'550 crank diesel','I\'m playing piggy in the middle !! Ken Irwin at Simcoe called re the crank for Dennis Stewrard in Brantford . apperently took his crank out,measured it then got 20 thou bearings ,took to machine shop and crank has crack next to one journel. they don\'t know if the crank will weld and hold. His has counter wieghts .Hercules in Toronto has one less counter weights measures up the rest of the way,My advice was keep looking ! And he would like to use his bearings if possible and buy in canadian dollars too!! I,m trying to stay away but keep getting draggedback into the mess!! Any ideas besides run?','',0,0,'gA==','3qb4dxme',0,0,'u_65','',0),(1938,0,56,0,'',1077186647,1,1,1,1,'Re: Hard to find part','hi john, the return lines are on the bottom of the injectors,and they connect to each other from opposite sides. i.e. number 6 connects to number 5 from the left side of number 6 to the left side of number 5. number 5 connects to number 4 from the right side of number 5 to the right side of number 4, and so on. (i think). is there a difference from early to later ones? i have been told that the early ones have the injector lines laying flat and the later ones are standing up. also, this tractor came out of canada and it has the control rod and the pivot linkage still on the tractor. maybe some day i will find a set of shutters for it.','',0,0,'gA==','11cgn4nu',0,0,'u_56','',0),(1939,0,56,0,'',1077186647,1,1,1,1,'Re: Hard to find part','hi john, the return lines are on the bottom of the injectors,and they connect to each other from opposite sides. i.e. number 6 connects to number 5 from the left side of number 6 to the left side of number 5. number 5 connects to number 4 from the right side of number 5 to the right side of number 4, and so on. (i think). is there a difference from early to later ones? i have been told that the early ones have the injector lines laying flat and the later ones are standing up. also, this tractor came out of canada and it has the control rod and the pivot linkage still on the tractor. maybe some day i will find a set of shutters for it.','',0,0,'gA==','11cgn4nu',0,0,'u_56','',0),(1941,0,360,0,'',1077225276,1,1,1,1,'Re: rollin\\\' away','That would be fine with me. Lets see what rolls out of the meeting. \r\n\r\n[quote:3skl5zr2]I don\'t blame you. I\'m still planning on meeting you sometime. Take a weekend and just head up to your place. I forget what I said aout Ollie. Just ranting about the board I guess. I\'m done with it all.  Lets say we start a new club.[/quote:3skl5zr2]','',0,0,'gA==','3skl5zr2',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1952,0,65,0,'',1077246399,1,1,1,1,'Re: 550 crank diesel','[quote:2w0tg3t4][quote:2w0tg3t4]I\'m playing piggy in the middle !! Ken Irwin at Simcoe called re the crank for Dennis Stewrard in Brantford . apperently took his crank out,measured it then got 20 thou bearings ,took to machine shop and crank has crack next to one journel. they don\'t know if the crank will weld and hold. His has counter wieghts .Hercules in Toronto has one less counter weights measures up the rest of the way,My advice was keep looking ! And he would like to use his bearings if possible and buy in canadian dollars too!! I,m trying to stay away but keep getting draggedback into the mess!! Any ideas besides run?[/quote:2w0tg3t4]\nI think Irv iver by Erie Pa has some used ones. Now weused to teach crank grinding schools. Here is the scarey part, not all cranks with cracks are bad. It depends on how the crack runs. Next thing if you weld it you need to find a place that can weld diesel cranks. It is a little different than gas cranks because they are hardened. Me I would buy a used crank from IRV which is out of a 550.  More on that later. Where do you live? I do not think you are too far away.It is 110 miles from my house to Detroit airport. John[/quote:2w0tg3t4]','',0,0,'gA==','2w0tg3t4',0,0,'u_65','',0),(1953,0,65,0,'',1077246399,1,1,1,1,'Re: 550 crank diesel','[quote:2w0tg3t4][quote:2w0tg3t4]I\'m playing piggy in the middle !! Ken Irwin at Simcoe called re the crank for Dennis Stewrard in Brantford . apperently took his crank out,measured it then got 20 thou bearings ,took to machine shop and crank has crack next to one journel. they don\'t know if the crank will weld and hold. His has counter wieghts .Hercules in Toronto has one less counter weights measures up the rest of the way,My advice was keep looking ! And he would like to use his bearings if possible and buy in canadian dollars too!! I,m trying to stay away but keep getting draggedback into the mess!! Any ideas besides run?[/quote:2w0tg3t4]\nI think Irv iver by Erie Pa has some used ones. Now weused to teach crank grinding schools. Here is the scarey part, not all cranks with cracks are bad. It depends on how the crack runs. Next thing if you weld it you need to find a place that can weld diesel cranks. It is a little different than gas cranks because they are hardened. Me I would buy a used crank from IRV which is out of a 550.  More on that later. Where do you live? I do not think you are too far away.It is 110 miles from my house to Detroit airport. John[/quote:2w0tg3t4]','',0,0,'gA==','2w0tg3t4',0,0,'u_65','',0),(1954,0,360,0,'',1077246639,1,1,1,1,'Where in Pa are you?','Doug just wondering where in w. pa you are located.','',0,0,'gA==','3u9z0ixz',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1955,0,360,0,'',1077246639,1,1,1,1,'Where in Pa are you?','Doug just wondering where in w. pa you are located.','',0,0,'gA==','3u9z0ixz',0,0,'u_360','',0),(1956,0,65,0,'',1077246926,1,1,1,1,'Re: Early 88 blocks','[quote:1g2mesp8]Yes they have the big soft plugs on the side like a 60 and there are 2 different castings for those old style blocks. The prototype 88 models have a block like a 60 in that the flange for the starter was cast on the block. John[/quote:1g2mesp8] Now do I look for a old block [may have a lead on one] or just use the one that came with it? To further confuse the issue it ended life before restoration started as a  .....diesel?  First diesels 1949?  I think its a later block than tractor . Can\'t ask the owner as he passed away.  Lot of  changes could have happened in last 55 years!!!','',0,0,'gA==','1g2mesp8',0,0,'u_65','',0),(1957,0,65,0,'',1077246926,1,1,1,1,'Re: Early 88 blocks','[quote:1g2mesp8]Yes they have the big soft plugs on the side like a 60 and there are 2 different castings for those old style blocks. The prototype 88 models have a block like a 60 in that the flange for the starter was cast on the block. John[/quote:1g2mesp8] Now do I look for a old block [may have a lead on one] or just use the one that came with it? To further confuse the issue it ended life before restoration started as a  .....diesel?  First diesels 1949?  I think its a later block than tractor . Can\'t ask the owner as he passed away.  Lot of  changes could have happened in last 55 years!!!','',0,0,'gA==','1g2mesp8',0,0,'u_65','',0),(1958,0,65,0,'',1077247211,1,1,1,1,'Re: 550 crank diesel','[quote:qnbmfpkk][quote:qnbmfpkk]I\'m playing piggy in the middle !! Ken Irwin at Simcoe called re the crank for Dennis Stewrard in Brantford . apperently took his crank out,measured it then got 20 thou bearings ,took to machine shop and crank has crack next to one journel. they don\'t know if the crank will weld and hold. His has counter wieghts .Hercules in Toronto has one less counter weights measures up the rest of the way,My advice was keep looking ! And he would like to use his bearings if possible and buy in canadian dollars too!! I,m trying to stay away but keep getting draggedback into the mess!! Any ideas besides run?[/quote:qnbmfpkk]\nI think Irv iver by Erie Pa has some used ones. Now weused to teach crank grinding schools. Here is the scarey part, not all cranks with cracks are bad. It depends on how the crack runs. Next thing if you weld it you need to find a place that can weld diesel cranks. It is a little different than gas cranks because they are hardened. Me I would buy a used crank from IRV which is out of a 550.  More on that later. Where do you live? I do not think you are too far away.It is 110 miles from my house to Detroit airport. John[/quote:qnbmfpkk] I am at Port Elgin  ontario about 80 miles up Lake Huron from Port Huron Mich. 120 would catch the detriot airport. You e mailed me last fall reguarding oliver corn pickers.  I am doubtfull that I will get to cockshutt spring meeting but Ken Irwin is going perhaps the crank will come north with him!  Thanks for your help Grant Thede','',0,0,'gA==','qnbmfpkk',0,0,'u_65','',0),(1959,0,65,0,'',1077247211,1,1,1,1,'Re: 550 crank diesel','[quote:qnbmfpkk][quote:qnbmfpkk]I\'m playing piggy in the middle !! Ken Irwin at Simcoe called re the crank for Dennis Stewrard in Brantford . apperently took his crank out,measured it then got 20 thou bearings ,took to machine shop and crank has crack next to one journel. they don\'t know if the crank will weld and hold. His has counter wieghts .Hercules in Toronto has one less counter weights measures up the rest of the way,My advice was keep looking ! And he would like to use his bearings if possible and buy in canadian dollars too!! I,m trying to stay away but keep getting draggedback into the mess!! Any ideas besides run?[/quote:qnbmfpkk]\nI think Irv iver by Erie Pa has some used ones. Now weused to teach crank grinding schools. Here is the scarey part, not all cranks with cracks are bad. It depends on how the crack runs. Next thing if you weld it you need to find a place that can weld diesel cranks. It is a little different than gas cranks because they are hardened. Me I would buy a used crank from IRV which is out of a 550.  More on that later. Where do you live? I do not think you are too far away.It is 110 miles from my house to Detroit airport. John[/quote:qnbmfpkk] I am at Port Elgin  ontario about 80 miles up Lake Huron from Port Huron Mich. 120 would catch the detriot airport. You e mailed me last fall reguarding oliver corn pickers.  I am doubtfull that I will get to cockshutt spring meeting but Ken Irwin is going perhaps the crank will come north with him!  Thanks for your help Grant Thede','',0,0,'gA==','qnbmfpkk',0,0,'u_65','',0),(1960,0,35,0,'',1077247240,1,1,1,1,'Cletrac','John,\r\n\r\nI am U2U this because I am only going from memory and I may be totally wrong. I remember my cousin selling the OC 4 as late as 1963. These were the 68 inch without blade but equipped with pto for hillside brush cutting. He sold the OC4\'s with a trailer type 5 ft. Sidewinder rotary cutter with the tire that acted as the gear box. Needless to say he sold several pto parts.\r\nI seems to me that a group from Case talked of continuing the Cletrac line which included the OC4, OC5, and OC12. As you know Oliver was already experimenting with the OC5 &amp; 12. They weren\'t going under the Case umbrella but was forming a new group with some of the Cletrac engineers. I don\'t think the Oliver and Cletrac ever agreed on anything.\r\nI may be totally off but it seems that the last Oliver field man that was over the middle TN area talked to my Dad, uncle and cousin about White-Oliver deciding to discontinue the crawler production. I don\'t remember the field mans first name but his last name was Brown and this would have been 1964.','',0,0,'gA==','33kbtym2',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1961,0,35,0,'',1077247240,1,1,1,1,'Cletrac','John,\r\n\r\nI am U2U this because I am only going from memory and I may be totally wrong. I remember my cousin selling the OC 4 as late as 1963. These were the 68 inch without blade but equipped with pto for hillside brush cutting. He sold the OC4\'s with a trailer type 5 ft. Sidewinder rotary cutter with the tire that acted as the gear box. Needless to say he sold several pto parts.\r\nI seems to me that a group from Case talked of continuing the Cletrac line which included the OC4, OC5, and OC12. As you know Oliver was already experimenting with the OC5 &amp; 12. They weren\'t going under the Case umbrella but was forming a new group with some of the Cletrac engineers. I don\'t think the Oliver and Cletrac ever agreed on anything.\r\nI may be totally off but it seems that the last Oliver field man that was over the middle TN area talked to my Dad, uncle and cousin about White-Oliver deciding to discontinue the crawler production. I don\'t remember the field mans first name but his last name was Brown and this would have been 1964.','',0,0,'gA==','33kbtym2',0,0,'u_35','',0),(1968,0,372,0,'',1077294572,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','Keith,\r\n   How are you doing on getting the needed proxy\'s for the winter meeting?  My membership expires in March/ April and I am waiting to see how the winter meeting pans out before I decide to renew.  I will gladly give you my proxy for a future recall meeting if I am still a member at that time.  Please let me know how the meeting goes.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','39tafb31',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1969,0,372,0,'',1077294572,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','Keith,\r\n   How are you doing on getting the needed proxy\'s for the winter meeting?  My membership expires in March/ April and I am waiting to see how the winter meeting pans out before I decide to renew.  I will gladly give you my proxy for a future recall meeting if I am still a member at that time.  Please let me know how the meeting goes.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','39tafb31',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1973,0,372,0,'',1077304381,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','John\r\n Be ready to quit.   1\r\nKeith[/quote]\r\n\r\nKeith,\r\n  What is happening?  \r\nJohn','',0,0,'','6ybq9abl',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1980,0,40,0,'',1077335478,1,1,1,1,'Re: 4 regions','Andy:\r\n\r\nI don\'t see what you are talking aobut.\r\n\r\nWith John\'s division of regions with 734, 1288, 1636 and 2380 members you would have one region with one director (SW), two regions with 2 directors (NE/SE &amp; NW) and one region with 3 directors (Central). \r\n\r\n\r\nThat is pretty close to equal and it would guarantee directors would be from different parts of the country.  Two things could happen to make it more even in the future.  the first being the club could go to the Iowa court system and get permission for more directors.  The second thing would be to set it up so the regions could be changed every 5 years or whatever time you wanted to make adjustments for the distribution of members.\r\n\r\nI really think that only the officers should be elected without regard to regions.  If all the candidates for president are from Iowa so be it.  But the directors should be spread out across the country.\r\n\r\nI also think write in votes should be allowed.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt \r\n\r\n[quote:q531u3pw]Hey Bill,\n Do you now see what I was talking about? It would only be with extreme difficulty to balance things out, when you are talking about 700 vs 2300, somebody would not like that, probably those who got shorted. If everything could come out to within 100 across the board, the members would probably be comfortable.[/quote:q531u3pw]','',0,0,'gA==','q531u3pw',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1981,0,40,0,'',1077335478,1,1,1,1,'Re: 4 regions','Andy:\r\n\r\nI don\'t see what you are talking aobut.\r\n\r\nWith John\'s division of regions with 734, 1288, 1636 and 2380 members you would have one region with one director (SW), two regions with 2 directors (NE/SE &amp; NW) and one region with 3 directors (Central). \r\n\r\n\r\nThat is pretty close to equal and it would guarantee directors would be from different parts of the country.  Two things could happen to make it more even in the future.  the first being the club could go to the Iowa court system and get permission for more directors.  The second thing would be to set it up so the regions could be changed every 5 years or whatever time you wanted to make adjustments for the distribution of members.\r\n\r\nI really think that only the officers should be elected without regard to regions.  If all the candidates for president are from Iowa so be it.  But the directors should be spread out across the country.\r\n\r\nI also think write in votes should be allowed.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt \r\n\r\n[quote:q531u3pw]Hey Bill,\n Do you now see what I was talking about? It would only be with extreme difficulty to balance things out, when you are talking about 700 vs 2300, somebody would not like that, probably those who got shorted. If everything could come out to within 100 across the board, the members would probably be comfortable.[/quote:q531u3pw]','',0,0,'gA==','q531u3pw',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1984,0,40,0,'',1077338854,1,1,1,1,'Re: 4 regions','Andy:\r\n\r\nI think that the clubs within the regions would be able to get members to run for directors if they knew the directors would be from their region.\r\n\r\nRemember the club has never elected directors before, so this would be plowing new ground so to speak. \r\n\r\nEvery region would be allowed to have one director.  Some would just have more.  Something like North Dakota only has one member in the House of Representatives and always will have.  Whereas New York California, etc. will have the number of their representatives go up and down as their populations change.\r\n\r\nBill\r\n\r\n[quote:u4pb95py]Well, that is a little closer than when you first explained it. Now, what would you propose when a region can\'t get a representative? I am currently taking everything less seriously, anything and everything will go to the committee, they can decide. At this point in time, steam engines are starting to look real good. I\'ll see this thru, then depending on how Lancaster goes, I might keep 1 crawler, and go back to local steam shows, then come home. No hauling, no motels, no meetings, no $5,000 to $6,000 annually to pay for it. And most of all, no controversy! I took this job to do some simple housekeeping, now, I guess members want me to solve the world\'s problems. Next time the answer will definately be \'NO!\'[/quote:u4pb95py]','',0,0,'gA==','u4pb95py',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1985,0,40,0,'',1077338854,1,1,1,1,'Re: 4 regions','Andy:\r\n\r\nI think that the clubs within the regions would be able to get members to run for directors if they knew the directors would be from their region.\r\n\r\nRemember the club has never elected directors before, so this would be plowing new ground so to speak. \r\n\r\nEvery region would be allowed to have one director.  Some would just have more.  Something like North Dakota only has one member in the House of Representatives and always will have.  Whereas New York California, etc. will have the number of their representatives go up and down as their populations change.\r\n\r\nBill\r\n\r\n[quote:u4pb95py]Well, that is a little closer than when you first explained it. Now, what would you propose when a region can\'t get a representative? I am currently taking everything less seriously, anything and everything will go to the committee, they can decide. At this point in time, steam engines are starting to look real good. I\'ll see this thru, then depending on how Lancaster goes, I might keep 1 crawler, and go back to local steam shows, then come home. No hauling, no motels, no meetings, no $5,000 to $6,000 annually to pay for it. And most of all, no controversy! I took this job to do some simple housekeeping, now, I guess members want me to solve the world\'s problems. Next time the answer will definately be \'NO!\'[/quote:u4pb95py]','',0,0,'gA==','u4pb95py',0,0,'u_40','',0),(1986,0,372,0,'',1077367763,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','Keith,\r\n   Sorry to hear that but not surprised.  I wish you good luck at the meeting.  I\'m not going to stay a member of an organization where the board can get away with doing anything they choose.  Good luck and thanks for carrying the flag for those who can\'t come.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','20v937vz',0,0,'u_372','',0),(1987,0,372,0,'',1077367763,1,1,1,1,'Re: Winter Meeting','Keith,\r\n   Sorry to hear that but not surprised.  I wish you good luck at the meeting.  I\'m not going to stay a member of an organization where the board can get away with doing anything they choose.  Good luck and thanks for carrying the flag for those who can\'t come.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','20v937vz',0,0,'u_372','',0),(2119,0,26,0,'',1077481473,1,1,1,1,'','I have nothing against your suggestion for a free ad in the magazine.  However, I would be satisfied just buying an ad, which is something that I don\'t feel like they\'d let me do now.  \r\n\r\nMy advertising campaign is not scheduled to start until March 1, following the winter show. I did not want to stir up any controversy until this show was over.  Besides, I didn\'t want to start advertising more than 2 months before I\'d be mailing an issue.   That\'s why you haven\'t seen anything yet.\r\n\r\nThank you for your support.  I have no intentions of going into competition with the HPOCA.  But writing a magazine was what I really wanted to be doing and I so no reason why I should be prevented from doing that just because the board had a personal vendetta with me.  \r\nSherry','',0,0,'gA==','397y52r1',0,0,'u_26','',0),(2185,0,503,0,'',1077675412,1,1,1,1,'oc-6-32','do you still have it or is it sold? call me 614-402-0908   jim','',0,0,'gA==','124v193f',0,0,'u_503','',0),(2186,0,232,0,'',1077676232,1,1,1,1,'Hello','Helo Frank, Justwanted to say hi. It\'s been along time since I\'ve talked to you. We retired to  the So. Bend area.\r\nemail is \"harpeg52@michiana.org\"','',0,0,'gA==','1a7qhmif',0,0,'u_232','',0),(2190,0,407,0,'',1077719688,1,1,1,1,'Re: oc-6-32','I still have the machine, I sent pictures to a guy and he hasn\'t called, I\'ll try him and let you know the outcome.\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:3jf5982i]do you still have it or is it sold? call me 614-402-0908   jim[/quote:3jf5982i]','',0,0,'gA==','3jf5982i',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2191,0,407,0,'',1077719688,1,1,1,1,'Re: oc-6-32','I still have the machine, I sent pictures to a guy and he hasn\'t called, I\'ll try him and let you know the outcome.\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:3jf5982i]do you still have it or is it sold? call me 614-402-0908   jim[/quote:3jf5982i]','',0,0,'gA==','3jf5982i',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2201,0,360,0,'',1077823795,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Same to you at the meeting and let me know how things go.\r\nEric\r\n\r\n[quote:12nx0lch]Let me know what you buy at the auction.\nHave a good time[/quote:12nx0lch]','',0,0,'gA==','12nx0lch',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2213,0,360,0,'',1077847636,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Wish that I did not have to work but have to feed the family and some of our states finest citizens need watched. So did they try and make nice or what? \r\n\r\n[quote:35vsl0lb]!st day- Landis zimmerman\'s open house.\nI met the curator of the Smithsonian Inst. \nNice fellow. We talked about the break up of HPOCA. I met Ed brandt, Bob Cook, Sherry&amp; Ollie Shaffer. All good people.\n     The feeling I got was there is no saving HPOCA. Why try. The peckers came and got Landis\'s stuff. No incedents. We kept our distance. [/quote:35vsl0lb]','',0,0,'gA==','35vsl0lb',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2230,0,35,0,'',1078020431,1,1,1,1,'What happened','Ed,\r\nI just read your thank you to Landis. What has the \"board\" done now? Wish I could have been there.\r\n\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2bv7jnsd',0,0,'u_35','',0),(2231,0,35,0,'',1078020431,1,1,1,1,'What happened','Ed,\r\nI just read your thank you to Landis. What has the \"board\" done now? Wish I could have been there.\r\n\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','2bv7jnsd',0,0,'u_35','',0),(2239,0,360,0,'',1078023039,1,1,1,1,'Re: friday','sounds to me like you got some steals. I bought some lit. stuff to resell today and that was it.The tractors brought what they were worth but I do not have the price list here. I know that the 77 orchard brought 7400 I think and the 145 and a 125 garden tractor brought 3500 apiece. Will send you a complete price list later. More collectors there than I thought.\r\nEric\r\n\r\n[quote:86hcviag]Spent the day at Elias Beiler\'s auction. No politics, just tractors. Bought a 66 rowcrop and a 77 standard. They sold with junk tractors but I think they will run with no problem. Most of the stuff they need I have. Spent total of  $1060.00.        Got away pretty cheap. Ate dinner with Kevin Martin (kevinm) at Shady Maple Smorgasborg. Nice fella. Good grief I\'m full.......Danny[/quote:86hcviag]','',0,0,'gA==','86hcviag',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2240,0,360,0,'',1078023075,1,1,1,1,'Re: e-mail','<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:edfrazi@pennswoods.net\">edfrazi@pennswoods.net</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\n[quote:2cd8kvjj]send me your e-mail address...thanks.ed[/quote:2cd8kvjj]','',0,0,'gA==','2cd8kvjj',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2241,0,360,0,'',1078023075,1,1,1,1,'Re: e-mail','<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:edfrazi@pennswoods.net\">edfrazi@pennswoods.net</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\n[quote:2cd8kvjj]send me your e-mail address...thanks.ed[/quote:2cd8kvjj]','',0,0,'gA==','2cd8kvjj',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2243,0,360,0,'',1078023242,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','I had heard about letters that landis had but not about that. I am a state correctional officer aka prison guard.\r\n\r\n[quote:56p42e5f]No, in fact everybody kept their distance from one another. Did you hear aqbout the letter they sent Landis calling him a cry baby.                               I think saturday we\'ll see more Shit. I\'m surprised thy never put on the forum how well everything went. How they never got any complaints. Shit, nobody would talk to them.       Hey you watch some of our finest citizens. \"what the hell are you a prison guard?\"[/quote:56p42e5f]','',0,0,'gA==','56p42e5f',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2254,0,35,0,'',1078029299,1,1,1,1,'Re: u2u','[quote:fmf68lwi]we have to be careful on using this,apparently messages are being intercepted.....sent you an e-mail....Ed[/quote:fmf68lwi]\r\nThanks Ed. I should have known. I will send you an email sometime tomorrow after I cool off.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','fmf68lwi',0,0,'u_35','',0),(2255,0,35,0,'',1078029299,1,1,1,1,'Re: u2u','[quote:fmf68lwi]we have to be careful on using this,apparently messages are being intercepted.....sent you an e-mail....Ed[/quote:fmf68lwi]\r\nThanks Ed. I should have known. I will send you an email sometime tomorrow after I cool off.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','fmf68lwi',0,0,'u_35','',0),(2259,0,464,0,'',1078029764,1,1,1,1,'Fwd:','tHAT IS WHY i DON\'T u2u.  I dont trust the bastards.','',0,0,'gA==','hbjhrj0r',0,0,'u_464','',0),(2281,0,360,0,'',1078063442,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','I think that this is why it is easy for me to see through these guys and try and pick them apart as I deal with Liars every day. Glad that you breathed new life into an old oliver.\r\nEric\r\n\r\n[quote:2ntwx1a0]Hell you deal with pricks every day. man I feel for you. I\'ll keep your safety in my prayers. The meeting was a failure. I figure you already guessed that.\n\nGot my 66 running this morning though. [/quote:2ntwx1a0]','',0,0,'gA==','2ntwx1a0',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2288,0,372,0,'',1078066514,1,1,1,1,'Thank You','Keith,\r\n    I just heard from Danny Tabor about the meeting. I just wanted to thank you for your efforts.  It was in my opinion noble for you to try a petition drive even if I was the only responder.  Unfortunately the club can\'t be helped if most of the members just want to stand by and let the leaders? run over them.  But you did try and for that I thank you.\r\n   My priority now is in doing what I can to help Sherry get subscriptions for her magazine so there is some part of the HPOCA remaining after my subscription expires next month.  \r\nJohn Phipps','',0,0,'gA==','3cxkd890',0,0,'u_372','',0),(2289,0,372,0,'',1078066514,1,1,1,1,'Thank You','Keith,\r\n    I just heard from Danny Tabor about the meeting. I just wanted to thank you for your efforts.  It was in my opinion noble for you to try a petition drive even if I was the only responder.  Unfortunately the club can\'t be helped if most of the members just want to stand by and let the leaders? run over them.  But you did try and for that I thank you.\r\n   My priority now is in doing what I can to help Sherry get subscriptions for her magazine so there is some part of the HPOCA remaining after my subscription expires next month.  \r\nJohn Phipps','',0,0,'gA==','3cxkd890',0,0,'u_372','',0),(2317,0,360,0,'',1078093660,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Good and you\r\n\r\n[quote:14u9k4sa]Hey Eric, How the hell are ya\'[/quote:14u9k4sa]','',0,0,'gA==','14u9k4sa',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2323,0,360,0,'',1078093965,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','That would be a steal. Better than my weekend to well advertised.\r\n\r\n[quote:vzvuq6jh]Not to bad. Fast Eddie just told me he bought an Ol66. Thats 3 tractors for the weekend. I think its a super. He gave 800 for it. Not a bad deal.[/quote:vzvuq6jh]','',0,0,'gA==','vzvuq6jh',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2325,0,360,0,'',1078094059,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Have you been able to down load the link that Ed tabor put on.\r\n\r\n[quote:1g96yn37]Not to bad. Fast Eddie just told me he bought an Ol66. Thats 3 tractors for the weekend. I think its a super. He gave 800 for it. Not a bad deal.[/quote:1g96yn37]','',0,0,'gA==','1g96yn37',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2339,0,360,0,'',1078097622,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Thanks and isn\'t funny how none of these guys are on here shooting of there mouths.\r\n\r\n[quote:36al0xzb]He wrote that post and never intended to have a link on it. The damn thing just appeared mysteriously. Don\'t ask me or him how. It has nothing to do with his post. As soon as he posted it. There it was. Tried to edit it out but it doesn\'t. Be careful they may be attaching viruses to our posts. To turn us against one another. Thats the only thing I can figure. Again he never made an attachment for that post.\n    Sorry it took so long to get back w/ you. I had a visitor and walked away from my computer for a while. Danny[/quote:36al0xzb]','',0,0,'gA==','36al0xzb',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2343,0,360,0,'',1078097881,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Now I wish that I would have been there but would have ended up becoming an inmate instead of watching them.\r\n\r\n[quote:29n3h8nv]I know they can\'t bullshit anybody now. They put on a very good display to show what kind of men they are.[/quote:29n3h8nv]','',0,0,'gA==','29n3h8nv',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2344,0,360,0,'',1078098000,1,1,1,1,'Miller auction','I posted all the results on yesterdays tractor site.','',0,0,'gA==','2zvgmn95',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2345,0,360,0,'',1078098000,1,1,1,1,'Miller auction','I posted all the results on yesterdays tractor site.','',0,0,'gA==','2zvgmn95',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2349,0,360,0,'',1078098225,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','I pretty much compare them to inmates the way that they lie.\r\n\r\n[quote:25w0jau0]I know. I damn near lost my temper many times. It was so bad People told me my face was beat red. I know my frickin\' heart was about to jump out my chest. Still trying to relax myself. I think maybe it would be easier dealing w/ inmates than those fuckers.[/quote:25w0jau0]','',0,0,'gA==','25w0jau0',0,0,'u_360','',0),(2359,0,503,0,'',1078102098,1,1,1,1,'Re: oc-6-32','[quote:23szg726]I still have the machine, I sent pictures to a guy and he hasn\'t called, I\'ll try him and let you know the outcome.\n\n\n[quote:23szg726]do you still have it or is it sold? call me 614-402-0908   jim[/quote:23szg726][/quote:23szg726]','',0,0,'gA==','23szg726',0,0,'u_503','',0),(2360,0,503,0,'',1078102231,1,1,1,1,'oc6','Thank you if you do not sell it to him please send photos to me with your best price    jim','',0,0,'gA==','2k8plmad',0,0,'u_503','',0),(2361,0,503,0,'',1078102231,1,1,1,1,'oc6','Thank you if you do not sell it to him please send photos to me with your best price    jim','',0,0,'gA==','2k8plmad',0,0,'u_503','',0),(2367,0,88,0,'',1078103990,1,1,1,1,'Re: Miller auction','THanks, I\'\'ll check it out\r\n\r\n[quote:3age9ec8]I posted all the results on yesterdays tractor site.[/quote:3age9ec8]','',0,0,'gA==','3age9ec8',0,0,'u_88','',0),(2370,0,407,0,'',1078151484,1,1,1,1,'didn\\\'t get to talk','Didn\'t get to talk to you at the winter show but I was the young guy after the meeting with the goatee listining to some concerned citizens wanting more chapter representation. I do agree with you on the subject. I believe the club members would suffer long awaited outcomes to small controversies. I was also thinking that if each chapter had say 200 members which I think might be high, I\'m not sure though, all chapters combined would not make a majority of the membership or just barely, since many wish for more representation I don\'t think that is the answer to anybody\'s problems. You do however have a difficult job, just letting you know I understand where you are coming from. It is nice to see someone as involved as you and willing to take the crap too. I\'ve been very involved with smaller organizations, I\'ve been director of a few small tractor clubs and vice prez of one, and prez of my senoior class. It does get diffucult but not to the extent of this club I am sure. Nice to hear your opinion on the subject though-- Adam','',0,0,'gA==','24wzf30e',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2371,0,407,0,'',1078151484,1,1,1,1,'didn\\\'t get to talk','Didn\'t get to talk to you at the winter show but I was the young guy after the meeting with the goatee listining to some concerned citizens wanting more chapter representation. I do agree with you on the subject. I believe the club members would suffer long awaited outcomes to small controversies. I was also thinking that if each chapter had say 200 members which I think might be high, I\'m not sure though, all chapters combined would not make a majority of the membership or just barely, since many wish for more representation I don\'t think that is the answer to anybody\'s problems. You do however have a difficult job, just letting you know I understand where you are coming from. It is nice to see someone as involved as you and willing to take the crap too. I\'ve been very involved with smaller organizations, I\'ve been director of a few small tractor clubs and vice prez of one, and prez of my senoior class. It does get diffucult but not to the extent of this club I am sure. Nice to hear your opinion on the subject though-- Adam','',0,0,'gA==','24wzf30e',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2378,0,35,0,'',1078176213,1,1,1,1,'','Keith,\r\n\r\nCount on this Tennessee renegade to help as much as possible to get the rascals out. If they aren\'t replaced I will probably drop. Please keep me posted.\r\nFrank Dodson','',0,0,'gA==','19jg3d60',0,0,'u_35','',0),(2379,0,35,0,'',1078176213,1,1,1,1,'','Keith,\r\n\r\nCount on this Tennessee renegade to help as much as possible to get the rascals out. If they aren\'t replaced I will probably drop. Please keep me posted.\r\nFrank Dodson','',0,0,'gA==','19jg3d60',0,0,'u_35','',0),(2384,0,407,0,'',1078189166,1,1,1,1,'shows','Yeah probably Wisconsin will be my next venture, SD looks like a plane ride, and that means I cant bring any tractors back so thats that.Probably wont have my 58 Brockway and lowboy ready in time anyway. I can just see my 180 Cummins leaving a black trail (smoke and or oil) from NY to SD. NYS DOT probably wont let me out of the driveway till I make modifications as well. So see you in WI or if you\'re in western NY stop on by,We\'ll have to have a cigarette and talk about 18-28\'s or something more suitable for tractor folks!','',0,0,'gA==','3r5w8g12',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2385,0,407,0,'',1078189166,1,1,1,1,'shows','Yeah probably Wisconsin will be my next venture, SD looks like a plane ride, and that means I cant bring any tractors back so thats that.Probably wont have my 58 Brockway and lowboy ready in time anyway. I can just see my 180 Cummins leaving a black trail (smoke and or oil) from NY to SD. NYS DOT probably wont let me out of the driveway till I make modifications as well. So see you in WI or if you\'re in western NY stop on by,We\'ll have to have a cigarette and talk about 18-28\'s or something more suitable for tractor folks!','',0,0,'gA==','3r5w8g12',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2468,0,407,0,'',1078286011,1,1,1,1,'tempers that wont stop','Anna-Yeah I was hoping for some good conversation since I helped put tractors out but didn\'t get to attend the open house.Oh well. I got a chance at the winter get together to listen to Andy, and talk to Sherry, Terry, and a few others. I had a good time other than I was bored. I think I saw your dad, he emailed me on some parts I needed I believe but he was talking to another guy after the meeting so I didnt get to talk and I pressed for time to head south to LeFevers then also. It was a good get away though, I am sad to say it but I had more fun alone on this trip. Drove alone and only stayed from fri late afternoon to Sun morning at 5. I\'m tired of arguing. I am content with another magazine, thus no harm done to the club but a benifit to the members in my opinion. I was the young man though Andy mentioned in a recent post. I found I agree with him on alot of things(politically), I can see this from both sides of the spectrum now. I have held enough positions to know we have quite a few nit pickers on here which is what gave me headaches when I was on any board. Lets just say on the conversation I was in on after the meeting with Andy I found his ideas on chapter representaion to be valid. I have to u2u again if you wanted details but nevertheless I agreed with him and complimented his hard work.\r\n\r\nI might go to SD not quite sure yet, my father wants out of the club now after I have finally found the patients in this mess so I dont know. Thats a bit farther for me than Lancaster to drive alone!---Adam','',0,0,'gA==','2f6jd4l2',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2469,0,407,0,'',1078286011,1,1,1,1,'tempers that wont stop','Anna-Yeah I was hoping for some good conversation since I helped put tractors out but didn\'t get to attend the open house.Oh well. I got a chance at the winter get together to listen to Andy, and talk to Sherry, Terry, and a few others. I had a good time other than I was bored. I think I saw your dad, he emailed me on some parts I needed I believe but he was talking to another guy after the meeting so I didnt get to talk and I pressed for time to head south to LeFevers then also. It was a good get away though, I am sad to say it but I had more fun alone on this trip. Drove alone and only stayed from fri late afternoon to Sun morning at 5. I\'m tired of arguing. I am content with another magazine, thus no harm done to the club but a benifit to the members in my opinion. I was the young man though Andy mentioned in a recent post. I found I agree with him on alot of things(politically), I can see this from both sides of the spectrum now. I have held enough positions to know we have quite a few nit pickers on here which is what gave me headaches when I was on any board. Lets just say on the conversation I was in on after the meeting with Andy I found his ideas on chapter representaion to be valid. I have to u2u again if you wanted details but nevertheless I agreed with him and complimented his hard work.\r\n\r\nI might go to SD not quite sure yet, my father wants out of the club now after I have finally found the patients in this mess so I dont know. Thats a bit farther for me than Lancaster to drive alone!---Adam','',0,0,'gA==','2f6jd4l2',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2472,0,40,0,'',1078313612,1,1,1,1,'Your Attachment','Ed:\r\n\r\nI can\'r open the attachment to your posting about the convention.\r\n\r\nWould you please e-mail it to me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:wlb12@aol.com\">wlb12@aol.com</a><!-- e -->?\r\n\r\nThanks!\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,0,'gA==','2087sj3f',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2474,0,407,0,'',1078324727,1,1,1,1,'Shows/politics','Yeah I\'d love to go to SD. I want to drive it in my old truck though. That means I have to do alot of work quick, but that would be good to get the project throughthe shop. It is an old tractor trailer truck, 1958. I have to do just the engine, brakes, tires, electrical,body work, paint, interior,glass, radiator- but other than that its ready!\r\n\r\nI\'m a whiskey drinker, was doing shots last night when I u2ued you. Fun stuff. Hope I was legible. oops;)\r\n\r\nAt the get together, after the meeting a few poeple were talking to Andy about the idea of more chapter representation than the proposed 1 representative. As in a rep for every chapter, Andy was against the idea due to attendance problems and slow decision making amongst other things. I thought about it and u2ued Andy saying  if there are say 200 members say in each 17chapters which I feel is high but am not sure (Empire Oliver Collectors have about 85), With the inputs of all 17 chapters combined, it would not equal or just barley equal half of the HPOCA membership if they all agree on something. Since a number of members seem to me want better representation, this allowing more chapter input would not help the clubs situation, but hinder decision making process only. That is why I thought 1 rep was sufficient. That was my view on the political part.\r\n\r\nMy father is discouraged with the club because he thinks too many things go behind closed doors. I told him nothing has changed from the start, just our little routines have been altered with the magazine so now we have noticed this. Our local tractor clubs work in the same way I told him, but we don\'t notice because we are involved with decision making. I\'ve looked at alot of things lately and discovered the HPOCA works like every other club so I lost my anger towards it.\r\n\r\nWell when you\'re 21 if I\'m at SD or ILL we\'ll have to go to the bar, I sat at the one in the resort Fri night, it was different getting drunk and talking about tractors at the same time. I had a good time at that! I had beer, not feeling the need for hard stuff that night.\r\nLater- Adam','',0,0,'gA==','360w0yjt',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2475,0,407,0,'',1078324727,1,1,1,1,'Shows/politics','Yeah I\'d love to go to SD. I want to drive it in my old truck though. That means I have to do alot of work quick, but that would be good to get the project throughthe shop. It is an old tractor trailer truck, 1958. I have to do just the engine, brakes, tires, electrical,body work, paint, interior,glass, radiator- but other than that its ready!\r\n\r\nI\'m a whiskey drinker, was doing shots last night when I u2ued you. Fun stuff. Hope I was legible. oops;)\r\n\r\nAt the get together, after the meeting a few poeple were talking to Andy about the idea of more chapter representation than the proposed 1 representative. As in a rep for every chapter, Andy was against the idea due to attendance problems and slow decision making amongst other things. I thought about it and u2ued Andy saying  if there are say 200 members say in each 17chapters which I feel is high but am not sure (Empire Oliver Collectors have about 85), With the inputs of all 17 chapters combined, it would not equal or just barley equal half of the HPOCA membership if they all agree on something. Since a number of members seem to me want better representation, this allowing more chapter input would not help the clubs situation, but hinder decision making process only. That is why I thought 1 rep was sufficient. That was my view on the political part.\r\n\r\nMy father is discouraged with the club because he thinks too many things go behind closed doors. I told him nothing has changed from the start, just our little routines have been altered with the magazine so now we have noticed this. Our local tractor clubs work in the same way I told him, but we don\'t notice because we are involved with decision making. I\'ve looked at alot of things lately and discovered the HPOCA works like every other club so I lost my anger towards it.\r\n\r\nWell when you\'re 21 if I\'m at SD or ILL we\'ll have to go to the bar, I sat at the one in the resort Fri night, it was different getting drunk and talking about tractors at the same time. I had a good time at that! I had beer, not feeling the need for hard stuff that night.\r\nLater- Adam','',0,0,'gA==','360w0yjt',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2478,0,526,0,'',1078365771,1,1,1,1,'Another one of Ollie\\\'s daughters with some throughts','Ed, \r\n\r\nFirst, let me thank you for your support as our family name is trying to be drug through the mud!   I was so angry Saturday after I talked to Dad and Sherry I wanted to paint the HPOCA board John Deer Green and feather them! \r\n\r\nSince you seem to be on top of the enitre situation, I thought I might give you some other points of interest. \r\n\r\nDid you know that Andy has sent Sherry flowers on SEVERAL occasions.   I have seen them first hand.   Andy at one point was calling (harrassing) Sherry so much that a member of the club recommended that she get a restraining order against him.  (At one point it was really bad)  Of course, Sherry didn\'t it.   I told Sher I wondered if part of this was Andy\'s way of getting back at her since she didn\'t return the affection in the way he had hoped. \r\n\r\nDid you know that another  member was told he could not run for office because he dated Sherry Schaefer?  The board actully told the man that was the reason. \r\n\r\nDid you know Dad was taken off the Nominatting Committee without his own knowledge.   Talk about politics. \r\n\r\nDid you know a boardmember got ready to hit Dad in the \"Closet\" but someone else stopped him?\r\n\r\nSherry has several grounds for a lawsuit to be brought against the board of the HPOCA, but  Sherry won\'t because of her devotion to the HPOCA history and the club as a whole.   She is not going to punish the entire membership because of a few bad ones! \r\n\r\nSherry and Dad both have chosen not to respond to the board postings.   They are letting the members come to conclusions without any influence from them.   \r\n\r\nThe last and final interesting thing is, I signed up to post on this board.  My e-mail address was changed and I didn\'t do it.   I had made 2 posts and neither of them came up.   Both of them stated alot  of what I mentioned above to you.   Does the ADMIN read and approve before posting.   I just find it weird that my e-mail isn\'t my e-mail. \r\n\r\nAgain, \r\n\r\nThanks! \r\n\r\nDebbie Schaefer Sebastian\r\n1950 T','',0,0,'gA==','3jezl7c7',0,0,'u_526','',0),(2479,0,526,0,'',1078365771,1,1,1,1,'Another one of Ollie\\\'s daughters with some throughts','Ed, \r\n\r\nFirst, let me thank you for your support as our family name is trying to be drug through the mud!   I was so angry Saturday after I talked to Dad and Sherry I wanted to paint the HPOCA board John Deer Green and feather them! \r\n\r\nSince you seem to be on top of the enitre situation, I thought I might give you some other points of interest. \r\n\r\nDid you know that Andy has sent Sherry flowers on SEVERAL occasions.   I have seen them first hand.   Andy at one point was calling (harrassing) Sherry so much that a member of the club recommended that she get a restraining order against him.  (At one point it was really bad)  Of course, Sherry didn\'t it.   I told Sher I wondered if part of this was Andy\'s way of getting back at her since she didn\'t return the affection in the way he had hoped. \r\n\r\nDid you know that another  member was told he could not run for office because he dated Sherry Schaefer?  The board actully told the man that was the reason. \r\n\r\nDid you know Dad was taken off the Nominatting Committee without his own knowledge.   Talk about politics. \r\n\r\nDid you know a boardmember got ready to hit Dad in the \"Closet\" but someone else stopped him?\r\n\r\nSherry has several grounds for a lawsuit to be brought against the board of the HPOCA, but  Sherry won\'t because of her devotion to the HPOCA history and the club as a whole.   She is not going to punish the entire membership because of a few bad ones! \r\n\r\nSherry and Dad both have chosen not to respond to the board postings.   They are letting the members come to conclusions without any influence from them.   \r\n\r\nThe last and final interesting thing is, I signed up to post on this board.  My e-mail address was changed and I didn\'t do it.   I had made 2 posts and neither of them came up.   Both of them stated alot  of what I mentioned above to you.   Does the ADMIN read and approve before posting.   I just find it weird that my e-mail isn\'t my e-mail. \r\n\r\nAgain, \r\n\r\nThanks! \r\n\r\nDebbie Schaefer Sebastian\r\n1950 T','',0,0,'gA==','3jezl7c7',0,0,'u_526','',0),(2480,0,526,0,'',1078365852,1,1,1,1,'sent Ed an e-mail','Are there Chat rooms on here too?','',0,0,'gA==','b6xd0599',0,0,'u_526','',0),(2481,0,526,0,'',1078365852,1,1,1,1,'sent Ed an e-mail','Are there Chat rooms on here too?','',0,0,'gA==','b6xd0599',0,0,'u_526','',0),(2483,0,26,0,'',1078365973,1,1,1,1,'Re: sent Ed an e-mail','No there aren\'t.  We only have closets.  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->  [quote:3vytiols]Are there Chat rooms on here too?[/quote:3vytiols]','',0,0,'gA==','3vytiols',0,0,'u_26','',0),(2484,0,526,0,'',1078366144,1,1,1,1,'Re: sent Ed an e-mail','I told Ed that after I talked to You and Dad on Saturday I wanted to paint the board John Deere Green and feather them! \r\n\r\nPretty good ....................\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:1j3i8qno]No there aren\'t.  We only have closets.  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->  [quote:1j3i8qno]Are there Chat rooms on here too?[/quote:1j3i8qno][/quote:1j3i8qno]','',0,0,'gA==','1j3i8qno',0,0,'u_526','',0),(2485,0,526,0,'',1078366144,1,1,1,1,'Re: sent Ed an e-mail','I told Ed that after I talked to You and Dad on Saturday I wanted to paint the board John Deere Green and feather them! \r\n\r\nPretty good ....................\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:1j3i8qno]No there aren\'t.  We only have closets.  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->  [quote:1j3i8qno]Are there Chat rooms on here too?[/quote:1j3i8qno][/quote:1j3i8qno]','',0,0,'gA==','1j3i8qno',0,0,'u_526','',0),(2486,0,526,0,'',1078366807,1,1,1,1,'Re: sent Ed an e-mail','Sher, \r\n\r\nI am going to print a few smart remarks about the \"new magazine\"   The editor/admin is talking about the  new magazine my thoughts are......\r\n\r\nIf should be easy to proof since it appears that literature is simply being copied and put in the magazine.   The centerfold and the back page are the same thing.  I wonder if they are going to list \"address change\" about 20 times in this issue too! \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:3g67yo5d]No there aren\'t.  We only have closets.  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->  [quote:3g67yo5d]Are there Chat rooms on here too?[/quote:3g67yo5d][/quote:3g67yo5d]','',0,0,'gA==','3g67yo5d',0,0,'u_526','',0),(2487,0,526,0,'',1078366807,1,1,1,1,'Re: sent Ed an e-mail','Sher, \r\n\r\nI am going to print a few smart remarks about the \"new magazine\"   The editor/admin is talking about the  new magazine my thoughts are......\r\n\r\nIf should be easy to proof since it appears that literature is simply being copied and put in the magazine.   The centerfold and the back page are the same thing.  I wonder if they are going to list \"address change\" about 20 times in this issue too! \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:3g67yo5d]No there aren\'t.  We only have closets.  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->  [quote:3g67yo5d]Are there Chat rooms on here too?[/quote:3g67yo5d][/quote:3g67yo5d]','',0,0,'gA==','3g67yo5d',0,0,'u_526','',0),(2503,0,464,0,'',1078452368,1,1,1,1,'Re: Another one of Ollie\\\'s daughters with some throughts','Deb\r\nFirst weird thing, this message was marked \"read\" and I never read it?  Second, get yourself a email that is anonymouse (like <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:xx@yahoo.com\">xx@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->)  I saw the closet incident and, trust me, if Ollie had been struck in ANY way, we had a squad that was ready to defend him.  Andy is a dumb \"redneck\" who actually gives redneck a bad name,  he is quite the jerk.  \r\nMy support of your family remains and, unless HPOCA changes, my membership is dropping.\r\n\r\nEd \r\n\r\n[quote:2ftp14du]Ed, \n\nFirst, let me thank you for your support as our family name is trying to be drug through the mud!   I was so angry Saturday after I talked to Dad and Sherry I wanted to paint the HPOCA board John Deer Green and feather them! \n\nSince you seem to be on top of the enitre situation, I thought I might give you some other points of interest. \n\nDid you know that Andy has sent Sherry flowers on SEVERAL occasions.   I have seen them first hand.   Andy at one point was calling (harrassing) Sherry so much that a member of the club recommended that she get a restraining order against him.  (At one point it was really bad)  Of course, Sherry didn\'t it.   I told Sher I wondered if part of this was Andy\'s way of getting back at her since she didn\'t return the affection in the way he had hoped. \n\nDid you know that another  member was told he could not run for office because he dated Sherry Schaefer?  The board actully told the man that was the reason. \n\nDid you know Dad was taken off the Nominatting Committee without his own knowledge.   Talk about politics. \n\nDid you know a boardmember got ready to hit Dad in the \"Closet\" but someone else stopped him?\n\nSherry has several grounds for a lawsuit to be brought against the board of the HPOCA, but  Sherry won\'t because of her devotion to the HPOCA history and the club as a whole.   She is not going to punish the entire membership because of a few bad ones! \n\nSherry and Dad both have chosen not to respond to the board postings.   They are letting the members come to conclusions without any influence from them.   \n\nThe last and final interesting thing is, I signed up to post on this board.  My e-mail address was changed and I didn\'t do it.   I had made 2 posts and neither of them came up.   Both of them stated alot  of what I mentioned above to you.   Does the ADMIN read and approve before posting.   I just find it weird that my e-mail isn\'t my e-mail. \n\nAgain, \n\nThanks! \n\nDebbie Schaefer Sebastian\n1950 T[/quote:2ftp14du]','',0,0,'gA==','2ftp14du',0,0,'u_464','',0),(2505,0,464,0,'',1078452465,1,1,1,1,'Re: Your Attachment','I have no idea what the attachment was.  Must have hit the wrong button.\r\n\r\nEd\r\n\r\n[quote:1i8tm83z]Ed:\n\nI can\'r open the attachment to your posting about the convention.\n\nWould you please e-mail it to me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:wlb12@aol.com\">wlb12@aol.com</a><!-- e -->?\n\nThanks!\n\nBill Brandt[/quote:1i8tm83z]','',0,0,'gA==','1i8tm83z',0,0,'u_464','',0),(2507,0,464,0,'',1078452500,1,1,1,1,'Re: Here We Go','Yep, sure is.\r\n\r\nEd\r\n\r\n[quote:1ywvibl4]Hey Eddie,\nThe furs-a-flyin tonight! \nBrad[/quote:1ywvibl4]','',0,0,'gA==','1ywvibl4',0,0,'u_464','',0),(2510,0,450,0,'',1078453802,1,1,1,1,'1800 Hydra-lectric','Hi John, can you give a description of the Hydra lectric? Do you know where to find a hydra-lectric cylinder? Your information is much appreciated. Thanks. Wide Open','',0,0,'gA==','wvh25x4m',0,0,'u_450','',0),(2511,0,450,0,'',1078453802,1,1,1,1,'1800 Hydra-lectric','Hi John, can you give a description of the Hydra lectric? Do you know where to find a hydra-lectric cylinder? Your information is much appreciated. Thanks. Wide Open','',0,0,'gA==','wvh25x4m',0,0,'u_450','',0),(2515,0,40,0,'',1078493860,1,1,1,1,'Re: Steering Plow','Travis:\r\n\r\nAt the HPOCA Winter Convention the members were advised that a foundation had been established with the help of members of the \"Oliver\" family (I\'m sorry I don\'t recall the family name and it was not Oliver).  The foundation will be looking into establishing a muesuem for Oliver equipment.  We got to see a rough draft of the by-laws, but not much else since the foundation was just getting off of the ground.\r\n\r\nDo you know anything about the foundation and where such a muesuem might be located?\r\n\r\nThanks.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:376n1sei]Bill, \n   I don\'t think that the Oliver museum idea here in South Bend is going to \'fly.\'  Our museum would welcome anyone with the resources and ideas to build a museum dedicated to Oliver equipment, however, the money is just not there.  Plus, there is the factor that the main focus of the museum (I think) is going to be a museum of Oliver farm tractors--there was only ONE Oliver tractor model line made here in South Bend-the Super 99\'s.  We like the idea of having a museum that displays the equipment and plow equipment that the OCPW made, and I am not sure that the display of tractors supports this or not.  A better place for this type of museum would be in Charles City, but I do understand why they are focusing in on South Bend.\n   As a side note, there are talks underway of building a memorial to the Oliver Chilled Plow Works next to the old powerhouse building (Rose Fuel and Brick is restoring the powerhouse for the relocation of their building supply company---check out <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.rosebrick.com\">http://www.rosebrick.com</a><!-- m --> to see the building\'s restoration progress)-so that should be nice.\n   Studebaker has chosen an architect and is in the process (with the city) of moving a house off the lot where the new Studebaker museum will be located (the northwest corner of Chapin Street and Thomas Street).  I think I heard they want to break ground early this spring.  They haven\'t moved the house yet, but they have the new foundation ready to go.  The plans of the new building look great and will somewhat coordinate with the look of our building.  Our two museums will be connected by a common hallway and have some great amenities.\n  Thanks for writing. \nTravis Childs\nNICH\n[quote:376n1sei]Travis:\n\nGlad to help.\n\nHave you heard anything more about an Oliver muesem in South Bend?\n\nHave they started on a new one for Studebaker?\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n\nquote]Thanks Bill!\nThat\'s exactly what the person meant.  I\'ve never heard them referred to that before.\nThanks for your reply!\nTravis Childs\nNorthern Indiana Center for History\nSouth Bend, Indiana\n\n[quote:376n1sei]I think they might be referring to the semi-mounted plows first made in the 60\'s.  It had a mounting post up by the tractor and a long rod to the tail wheel.  when the tractor turned the rod would move the tail wheel and the plow would follow behind the tractor.\n\nThe first mounted plows were rigid and would swing very wide when the tractor turned at the end of the round.  This was not a problem with 2 or 3 bottom plows, but the 4, 5, and larger plows needed something to help them follow the tractor when turning and when plowing on the contour.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nBill Brandt\n[/quote:376n1sei][/quote:376n1sei][/quote:376n1sei][/quote]','',0,0,'gA==','376n1sei',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2645,0,523,0,'',1078681401,1,1,1,1,'','Hey i just thought i would let you know that i am now a registered HPOCA user','',0,0,'gA==','1e038g9l',0,0,'u_523','',0),(2647,0,259,0,'',1078681580,1,1,1,1,'Re: Steering Plow','[quote:1mg7l8ou]Travis:  Hi Bill,  They are probably referring to the Cunningham family.  Gertrude Oliver, J.D.\'s daughter, married into the Cunningham family.  The Cunningham\'s gave us (NICH) Copshaholm in 1988.  They have a foundation (thanks, in part to J.D. and the 1929 merger).  However, I can\'t imagine that this foundation will actually be looking into building an Oliver museum here in South Bend.  With that said, I may be totally \'all wet.\'  I am really not in the position to have all of the privy information of the Oliver Foundation (that\'s what we call it).  I do know and talk with J.Oliver Cunningham (who is J.D. Oliver\'s ONLY grandson) and he really doesn\'t have an interest in things of Oliver-related history (unless its related to hockey or ND football).  I am sure that they will give \"support\" to anyone in the HPOCA wanting to build a museum here, but whether that support is financial (and that\'s the real issue isn\'t it?) will remain to be seen.  I don\'t know, I don\'t want to be cynical, but this town can\'t support the museums it already has; to me, throwing another museum in this town is financial suicide.  Thoughts?  Comments?\nTravis Childs\nNICH\n\n\nAt the HPOCA Winter Convention the members were advised that a foundation had been established with the help of members of the \"Oliver\" family (I\'m sorry I don\'t recall the family name and it was not Oliver).  The foundation will be looking into establishing a muesuem for Oliver equipment.  We got to see a rough draft of the by-laws, but not much else since the foundation was just getting off of the ground.\n\nDo you know anything about the foundation and where such a muesuem might be located?\n\nThanks.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n[quote:1mg7l8ou]Bill, \n   I don\'t think that the Oliver museum idea here in South Bend is going to \'fly.\'  Our museum would welcome anyone with the resources and ideas to build a museum dedicated to Oliver equipment, however, the money is just not there.  Plus, there is the factor that the main focus of the museum (I think) is going to be a museum of Oliver farm tractors--there was only ONE Oliver tractor model line made here in South Bend-the Super 99\'s.  We like the idea of having a museum that displays the equipment and plow equipment that the OCPW made, and I am not sure that the display of tractors supports this or not.  A better place for this type of museum would be in Charles City, but I do understand why they are focusing in on South Bend.\n   As a side note, there are talks underway of building a memorial to the Oliver Chilled Plow Works next to the old powerhouse building (Rose Fuel and Brick is restoring the powerhouse for the relocation of their building supply company---check out <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.rosebrick.com\">http://www.rosebrick.com</a><!-- m --> to see the building\'s restoration progress)-so that should be nice.\n   Studebaker has chosen an architect and is in the process (with the city) of moving a house off the lot where the new Studebaker museum will be located (the northwest corner of Chapin Street and Thomas Street).  I think I heard they want to break ground early this spring.  They haven\'t moved the house yet, but they have the new foundation ready to go.  The plans of the new building look great and will somewhat coordinate with the look of our building.  Our two museums will be connected by a common hallway and have some great amenities.\n  Thanks for writing. \nTravis Childs\nNICH\n[quote:1mg7l8ou]Travis:\n\nGlad to help.\n\nHave you heard anything more about an Oliver muesem in South Bend?\n\nHave they started on a new one for Studebaker?\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n\nquote]Thanks Bill!\nThat\'s exactly what the person meant.  I\'ve never heard them referred to that before.\nThanks for your reply!\nTravis Childs\nNorthern Indiana Center for History\nSouth Bend, Indiana\n\n[quote:1mg7l8ou]I think they might be referring to the semi-mounted plows first made in the 60\'s.  It had a mounting post up by the tractor and a long rod to the tail wheel.  when the tractor turned the rod would move the tail wheel and the plow would follow behind the tractor.\n\nThe first mounted plows were rigid and would swing very wide when the tractor turned at the end of the round.  This was not a problem with 2 or 3 bottom plows, but the 4, 5, and larger plows needed something to help them follow the tractor when turning and when plowing on the contour.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nBill Brandt\n[/quote:1mg7l8ou][/quote:1mg7l8ou][/quote:1mg7l8ou][/quote:1mg7l8ou][/quote]','',0,0,'gA==','1mg7l8ou',0,0,'u_259','',0),(2653,0,26,0,'',1078701057,1,1,1,1,'Re:','I\'d be doing better if Iknew who was getting to read my U2U messages before I do.  \r\n\r\n[quote:2j8tag0u]Hello Sherry How are you. Welcome to the Renegades Forum[/quote:2j8tag0u]','',0,0,'gA==','2j8tag0u',0,0,'u_26','',0),(2659,0,372,0,'',1078710782,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Danny,\r\n   I responded to your e mail just now.  take care and thanks for the reminder.\r\nJohn\r\n\r\n[quote:d2azxar8]Hey john,\n    Did my email get to you. Sometimes my computer gets a little funky and my emails get lost.\n      Do go into Ohio very often or deal w/ Ed Axhelm\'s tractor junkyard?\n[/quote:d2azxar8]','',0,0,'gA==','d2azxar8',0,0,'u_372','',0),(2717,0,26,0,'',1078956675,1,1,1,1,'landis letter','Hey Danny,\r\nThat letter was sent by Mr. Kline, not Mr. Meeker.  Kline throws words &amp; Meeker throws punches.  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,0,'gA==','1kikx1ra',0,0,'u_26','',0),(2730,0,539,0,'',1078982997,1,1,1,1,'parts','Looking for a buda 4 cyl. engine or block with blind head.  Maybe a WU? Thanks\r\nJohn \r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:akrendo@aol.com\">akrendo@aol.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n484-459-0880','',0,0,'gA==','n9ct9hhi',0,0,'u_539','',0),(2775,0,26,0,'',1079311882,1,1,1,1,'Promotion appointment','Jim Kline was appointed to activity director.  As far as I know, there isn\'t a P&amp;P chairman.','',0,0,'gA==','1czi0c56',0,0,'u_26','',0),(2776,0,543,0,'',1079455953,1,1,1,1,'1878 Case and Cletracs','Hey John, Interesting to find you on in a Cletrac Forum...we have a big 40\'s model mobile yarder here.  Still not sure what the model # is, but it\'s quite a machine.  Our address here is:\r\n Collier Memorial State Park\r\n 46000 Hwy. 97 N.\r\n Chiloquin, Oregon  97624\r\n\r\nWe have found some pictures of Case #1 and of #25, but the axle on 25 has been modified we believe.  Am still trying to figure out how to get hold of the Smithsonian to get some close-ups of #1!\r\nI\'m leaving here, moving to Florida in mid-April, so if you send something, please address it to Jim Beauchemin, Park Manager.\r\nThank-you, look forward to seeing what you have, Larry','',0,0,'gA==','1k2h5oje',0,0,'u_543','',0),(2777,0,543,0,'',1079455953,1,1,1,1,'1878 Case and Cletracs','Hey John, Interesting to find you on in a Cletrac Forum...we have a big 40\'s model mobile yarder here.  Still not sure what the model # is, but it\'s quite a machine.  Our address here is:\r\n Collier Memorial State Park\r\n 46000 Hwy. 97 N.\r\n Chiloquin, Oregon  97624\r\n\r\nWe have found some pictures of Case #1 and of #25, but the axle on 25 has been modified we believe.  Am still trying to figure out how to get hold of the Smithsonian to get some close-ups of #1!\r\nI\'m leaving here, moving to Florida in mid-April, so if you send something, please address it to Jim Beauchemin, Park Manager.\r\nThank-you, look forward to seeing what you have, Larry','',0,0,'gA==','1k2h5oje',0,0,'u_543','',0),(2787,0,40,0,'',1079491571,1,1,1,1,'Re: Steering Plow','Travis:\r\n\r\nit was the Cunningham family that they mentioned at the meeting.  Their attorney helped draw up the paperwork for the new foundation.\r\n\r\nI find it interesting you think there are too many musuems in South Bend.  I can\'t say one way or the other, but I always thought that an Oliver museum there would have a tough time making it.  Although the family lived there and the plows were made there for years most of the people I know associate Olivers with Charles City.  South bend is a great location for traffic with the turnpike and all, but I think a museum would have to be close to the pike to make it a toursit attraction.\r\n\r\nLet me know if you hear anymore about the association.\r\n\r\nNext time I\'m going down the pike I\'ll stop and look you up.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt  \r\n\r\n\r\nTravis:  Hi Bill,  They are probably referring to the Cunningham family.  Gertrude Oliver, J.D.\'s daughter, married into the Cunningham family.  The Cunningham\'s gave us (NICH) Copshaholm in 1988.  They have a foundation (thanks, in part to J.D. and the 1929 merger).  However, I can\'t imagine that this foundation will actually be looking into building an Oliver museum here in South Bend.  With that said, I may be totally \'all wet.\'  I am really not in the position to have all of the privy information of the Oliver Foundation (that\'s what we call it).  I do know and talk with J.Oliver Cunningham (who is J.D. Oliver\'s ONLY grandson) and he really doesn\'t have an interest in things of Oliver-related history (unless its related to hockey or ND football).  I am sure that they will give \"support\" to anyone in the HPOCA wanting to build a museum here, but whether that support is financial (and that\'s the real issue isn\'t it?) will remain to be seen.  I don\'t know, I don\'t want to be cynical, but this town can\'t support the museums it already has; to me, throwing another museum in this town is financial suicide.  Thoughts?  Comments?\r\nTravis Childs\r\nNICH\r\n\r\n\r\nAt the HPOCA Winter Convention the members were advised that a foundation had been established with the help of members of the \"Oliver\" family (I\'m sorry I don\'t recall the family name and it was not Oliver).  The foundation will be looking into establishing a muesuem for Oliver equipment.  We got to see a rough draft of the by-laws, but not much else since the foundation was just getting off of the ground.\r\n\r\nDo you know anything about the foundation and where such a muesuem might be located?\r\n\r\nThanks.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:294g47vf]Bill, \n   I don\'t think that the Oliver museum idea here in South Bend is going to \'fly.\'  Our museum would welcome anyone with the resources and ideas to build a museum dedicated to Oliver equipment, however, the money is just not there.  Plus, there is the factor that the main focus of the museum (I think) is going to be a museum of Oliver farm tractors--there was only ONE Oliver tractor model line made here in South Bend-the Super 99\'s.  We like the idea of having a museum that displays the equipment and plow equipment that the OCPW made, and I am not sure that the display of tractors supports this or not.  A better place for this type of museum would be in Charles City, but I do understand why they are focusing in on South Bend.\n   As a side note, there are talks underway of building a memorial to the Oliver Chilled Plow Works next to the old powerhouse building (Rose Fuel and Brick is restoring the powerhouse for the relocation of their building supply company---check out <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.rosebrick.com\">http://www.rosebrick.com</a><!-- m --> to see the building\'s restoration progress)-so that should be nice.\n   Studebaker has chosen an architect and is in the process (with the city) of moving a house off the lot where the new Studebaker museum will be located (the northwest corner of Chapin Street and Thomas Street).  I think I heard they want to break ground early this spring.  They haven\'t moved the house yet, but they have the new foundation ready to go.  The plans of the new building look great and will somewhat coordinate with the look of our building.  Our two museums will be connected by a common hallway and have some great amenities.\n  Thanks for writing. \nTravis Childs\nNICH\n[quote:294g47vf]Travis:\n\nGlad to help.\n\nHave you heard anything more about an Oliver muesem in South Bend?\n\nHave they started on a new one for Studebaker?\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n\nquote]Thanks Bill!\nThat\'s exactly what the person meant.  I\'ve never heard them referred to that before.\nThanks for your reply!\nTravis Childs\nNorthern Indiana Center for History\nSouth Bend, Indiana\n\n[quote:294g47vf]I think they might be referring to the semi-mounted plows first made in the 60\'s.  It had a mounting post up by the tractor and a long rod to the tail wheel.  when the tractor turned the rod would move the tail wheel and the plow would follow behind the tractor.\n\nThe first mounted plows were rigid and would swing very wide when the tractor turned at the end of the round.  This was not a problem with 2 or 3 bottom plows, but the 4, 5, and larger plows needed something to help them follow the tractor when turning and when plowing on the contour.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nBill Brandt\n[/quote:294g47vf][/quote:294g47vf][/quote:294g47vf][/quote][/quote][/quote]','',0,0,'gA==','294g47vf',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2791,0,259,0,'',1079543510,1,1,1,1,'Re: Steering Plow','[quote:2subs5go]Travis: I guess what I meant was what you mentioned, I don\'t think an Oliver equipment museum would make it here in South Bend.  The town already has a flurry of museum/attractions and really can\'t support those (as much support as we would like).  Like I said, I have a historical objection if the proposed Oliver museum is just going to be for tractors--only one line was made here.  Now, if the museum just focuses in on Oliver equipment that was manufactured, I don\'t have a historical objection, but an economic one--will it survive?  I don\'t know.  True, there are alot of people who collect and restore agricultural equipment...but how many more generations will continue with the interest in farm-related hobbies with the almost non-existence of the family farm or children growing up on farms.  I do a pioneer-living history program here in South Bend every spring.  I am amazed at the kids that have never petted a chicken, sheep or pony.  This would seem to me to spell disaster for those of us that try to restore and operate antique machinery.  However, I do see a fair number of children at different tractor shows-which is refreshing--at least someone is passing on this love of antique farm machinery.  However, I am not sure I could hook up a threshing machine to a tractor or steam engine, will my kids know?  \n   I\'ll just sum up that building an Oliver equipment museum here in South Bend (even though close to the Toll Road) would not necessarily draw enough interest to turn a profit.  I know first hand how hard it is to draw visitors just to our museum (with a variety of different topics and museum areas--not just the Oliver mansion); I can only imagine how hard it is going to be to draw people to a museum dedicated to farm machinery that hasn\'t been made since 1977.\n\nTravis C.\nNICH\n\nit was the Cunningham family that they mentioned at the meeting.  Their attorney helped draw up the paperwork for the new foundation.\n\nI find it interesting you think there are too many musuems in South Bend.  I can\'t say one way or the other, but I always thought that an Oliver museum there would have a tough time making it.  Although the family lived there and the plows were made there for years most of the people I know associate Olivers with Charles City.  South bend is a great location for traffic with the turnpike and all, but I think a museum would have to be close to the pike to make it a toursit attraction.\n\nLet me know if you hear anymore about the association.\n\nNext time I\'m going down the pike I\'ll stop and look you up.\n\nBill Brandt  \n\n\nTravis:  Hi Bill,  They are probably referring to the Cunningham family.  Gertrude Oliver, J.D.\'s daughter, married into the Cunningham family.  The Cunningham\'s gave us (NICH) Copshaholm in 1988.  They have a foundation (thanks, in part to J.D. and the 1929 merger).  However, I can\'t imagine that this foundation will actually be looking into building an Oliver museum here in South Bend.  With that said, I may be totally \'all wet.\'  I am really not in the position to have all of the privy information of the Oliver Foundation (that\'s what we call it).  I do know and talk with J.Oliver Cunningham (who is J.D. Oliver\'s ONLY grandson) and he really doesn\'t have an interest in things of Oliver-related history (unless its related to hockey or ND football).  I am sure that they will give \"support\" to anyone in the HPOCA wanting to build a museum here, but whether that support is financial (and that\'s the real issue isn\'t it?) will remain to be seen.  I don\'t know, I don\'t want to be cynical, but this town can\'t support the museums it already has; to me, throwing another museum in this town is financial suicide.  Thoughts?  Comments?\nTravis Childs\nNICH\n\n\nAt the HPOCA Winter Convention the members were advised that a foundation had been established with the help of members of the \"Oliver\" family (I\'m sorry I don\'t recall the family name and it was not Oliver).  The foundation will be looking into establishing a muesuem for Oliver equipment.  We got to see a rough draft of the by-laws, but not much else since the foundation was just getting off of the ground.\n\nDo you know anything about the foundation and where such a muesuem might be located?\n\nThanks.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n[quote:2subs5go]Bill, \n   I don\'t think that the Oliver museum idea here in South Bend is going to \'fly.\'  Our museum would welcome anyone with the resources and ideas to build a museum dedicated to Oliver equipment, however, the money is just not there.  Plus, there is the factor that the main focus of the museum (I think) is going to be a museum of Oliver farm tractors--there was only ONE Oliver tractor model line made here in South Bend-the Super 99\'s.  We like the idea of having a museum that displays the equipment and plow equipment that the OCPW made, and I am not sure that the display of tractors supports this or not.  A better place for this type of museum would be in Charles City, but I do understand why they are focusing in on South Bend.\n   As a side note, there are talks underway of building a memorial to the Oliver Chilled Plow Works next to the old powerhouse building (Rose Fuel and Brick is restoring the powerhouse for the relocation of their building supply company---check out <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.rosebrick.com\">http://www.rosebrick.com</a><!-- m --> to see the building\'s restoration progress)-so that should be nice.\n   Studebaker has chosen an architect and is in the process (with the city) of moving a house off the lot where the new Studebaker museum will be located (the northwest corner of Chapin Street and Thomas Street).  I think I heard they want to break ground early this spring.  They haven\'t moved the house yet, but they have the new foundation ready to go.  The plans of the new building look great and will somewhat coordinate with the look of our building.  Our two museums will be connected by a common hallway and have some great amenities.\n  Thanks for writing. \nTravis Childs\nNICH\n[quote:2subs5go]Travis:\n\nGlad to help.\n\nHave you heard anything more about an Oliver muesem in South Bend?\n\nHave they started on a new one for Studebaker?\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n\nquote]Thanks Bill!\nThat\'s exactly what the person meant.  I\'ve never heard them referred to that before.\nThanks for your reply!\nTravis Childs\nNorthern Indiana Center for History\nSouth Bend, Indiana\n\n[quote:2subs5go]I think they might be referring to the semi-mounted plows first made in the 60\'s.  It had a mounting post up by the tractor and a long rod to the tail wheel.  when the tractor turned the rod would move the tail wheel and the plow would follow behind the tractor.\n\nThe first mounted plows were rigid and would swing very wide when the tractor turned at the end of the round.  This was not a problem with 2 or 3 bottom plows, but the 4, 5, and larger plows needed something to help them follow the tractor when turning and when plowing on the contour.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nBill Brandt\n[/quote:2subs5go][/quote:2subs5go][/quote:2subs5go][/quote:2subs5go][/quote][/quote][/quote]','',0,0,'gA==','2subs5go',0,0,'u_259','',0),(2792,0,12,0,'',1079662950,1,1,1,1,'By-laws and regional directors','Hi Bill,\r\n\r\n   I just wanted to check in with you. Sorry I didn\'t get to meet up with you at the get-together. I was wondering what your take was on what the by-laws committee came up with and presented to the membership? I\'m not sure that the idea of regional directors got much consideration. I know people don\'t like change, but somtimes it\'s needed. The only reasoning that I got was that if directors were spread out they wouldn\'t want to spend the time and money to attend the board meetings. That was kind of weak! I would hope that someone would know that going into the position. \r\n\r\nI think that Andy Blackwood walked into a hornet\'s nest that he didn\'t know was going to be there when he volunteered for chairman of the committee. \r\n\r\n   I had a guy call me last night that had heard there were troubles in the club. Another person told him I had went to the get-together, and he wanted to know what was going on. He has been a member for a long time, I think he said his # was 420. He was also in favor of more directors. He thought that having one from each chapter would be too many, but that the members needed more representation. He said he had never liked the idea of the president appointing the board. I told him that the proposed change of the by-laws would now have all directors eclected by the membership, he thought that was a good start. \r\n\r\n   I just wanted to get in touch with you. I felt like you and others had good input on the by-laws and yet not much survived the committee. \r\n\r\n                       Thanks, John Hume','',0,0,'gA==','1fjkeri4',0,0,'u_12','',0),(2802,0,532,0,'',1079759757,1,1,1,1,'Adress','John,\r\nThank you for the reply. My address is:\r\n\r\nJohn Hrinevich Jr.\r\n5152 sunlyn Street\r\nGrand Blanc, Michigan  #48439\r\n\r\nI am in the process of making a few minor repairs like rebuilding the throttle linkage.  I have the parts rebuilt and made in some cases.  Hope to get these on in the next week.  Then I plan to set the timing carefully with my timing light which I am in the process of repairing.  Once that is done, will do the starting and stopping with Marvel Mystery Oil and Rislone.  I will be going a little slow because we are in preparation for our spring planting.\r\n\r\nThe last time I had the engine running, I tried the hydrolics.  Much to my surprize, they worked very well.  I could move the bucket up and down and lift it up and down.  This surprized me because with the broken throttle linkage, the engine was at idle speed.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nJohn H.','',0,0,'gA==','3li4rz8x',0,0,'u_532','',0),(2803,0,532,0,'',1079759757,1,1,1,1,'Adress','John,\r\nThank you for the reply. My address is:\r\n\r\nJohn Hrinevich Jr.\r\n5152 sunlyn Street\r\nGrand Blanc, Michigan  #48439\r\n\r\nI am in the process of making a few minor repairs like rebuilding the throttle linkage.  I have the parts rebuilt and made in some cases.  Hope to get these on in the next week.  Then I plan to set the timing carefully with my timing light which I am in the process of repairing.  Once that is done, will do the starting and stopping with Marvel Mystery Oil and Rislone.  I will be going a little slow because we are in preparation for our spring planting.\r\n\r\nThe last time I had the engine running, I tried the hydrolics.  Much to my surprize, they worked very well.  I could move the bucket up and down and lift it up and down.  This surprized me because with the broken throttle linkage, the engine was at idle speed.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nJohn H.','',0,0,'gA==','3li4rz8x',0,0,'u_532','',0),(2845,0,35,0,'',1079835607,1,1,1,1,'Re:','[quote:1tjp79vf]Hey Frank. Things sure are quite isn\'t it. I don\'t think it\'ll work for them. Already we have lost to many members. Sort of wonder how it\'ll look in a year. I know I won\'t renew next March. \nDanny\nsoon not to be 747     \n\nI think I also drop out because I see no future in HPOCA. I consider Sherry a friend and Landis a dear friend and for the  directors plus some of their crew such as Andyto constantly berate them really troubles me. I am one of Sherry\'s initial 50 supporters and I will continue to help all that I can. We can have gatherings etc. without an organized club.         \n\nWelcome to the Oliver Renegades. I think its a nice club to belong too!!![/quote:1tjp79vf]','',0,0,'gA==','1tjp79vf',0,0,'u_35','',0),(2880,0,35,0,'',1079838904,1,1,1,1,'Re: wanna be','[quote:1lwacxlm]Do my posts get the point across?? Ed[/quote:1lwacxlm]\r\n\r\nYes, they sure do however I don\'t think that bunch can understand anything. It seems to me that Kline and Meeker are out of control.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','1lwacxlm',0,0,'u_35','',0),(2881,0,35,0,'',1079838904,1,1,1,1,'Re: wanna be','[quote:1lwacxlm]Do my posts get the point across?? Ed[/quote:1lwacxlm]\r\n\r\nYes, they sure do however I don\'t think that bunch can understand anything. It seems to me that Kline and Meeker are out of control.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','1lwacxlm',0,0,'u_35','',0),(2907,0,407,0,'',1079843481,1,1,1,1,'truck show','Haven\'t been to that one, I tend to just go to the Brockway show in Cortland NY where they were made every August. Kinda sentimental brand for me like Olivers.','',0,0,'gA==','3tb6shbp',0,0,'u_407','',0),(2937,0,372,0,'',1079976091,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Danny,\r\n   I read the posts.  It looked like thngs got a little hot.  Interesting to know that Andy\'s bylaw crew includes mostly members of the ruling clique.  That explains a lot.\r\n   Have you gotten your HPOCA magazine?  People seem to be a little underwelmed.  I still have not gotten mine but then they may have decided that my membership has expired.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','1gc7qoxp',0,0,'u_372','',0),(2948,0,450,0,'',1080007592,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1800 Hydra-lectric','[quote:xdqby1x9][quote:xdqby1x9]Hi John, can you give a description of the Hydra lectric? Do you know where to find a hydra-lectric cylinder? Your information is much appreciated. Thanks. Wide Open[/quote:xdqby1x9]\nOn the PTO shaft leaking, are you talking the top or drive shaft opening or the bottom opening, the output shaft? No, fuel gauge is does not need to be calibrated and I do not know of a hydralectric cylinder. On the hydralectric, a series of articles on all Oliver hydralectrics will be starting in the newsletter probably after the next issue.[/quote:xdqby1x9]\r\n\r\nJohn, the PTO seal is leaking where the splined 540 shaft comes out of the housing. It is on the lower of the 2 places to put the PTO. It is right at the very outer edge of the housing, when the PTO spins, the seal does too, which I also don\'t think is right? Does this seal just pop right out? Not sure if the PTO on this is the same as a row crop or not?','',0,0,'gA==','xdqby1x9',0,0,'u_450','',0),(2949,0,450,0,'',1080007592,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1800 Hydra-lectric','[quote:xdqby1x9][quote:xdqby1x9]Hi John, can you give a description of the Hydra lectric? Do you know where to find a hydra-lectric cylinder? Your information is much appreciated. Thanks. Wide Open[/quote:xdqby1x9]\nOn the PTO shaft leaking, are you talking the top or drive shaft opening or the bottom opening, the output shaft? No, fuel gauge is does not need to be calibrated and I do not know of a hydralectric cylinder. On the hydralectric, a series of articles on all Oliver hydralectrics will be starting in the newsletter probably after the next issue.[/quote:xdqby1x9]\r\n\r\nJohn, the PTO seal is leaking where the splined 540 shaft comes out of the housing. It is on the lower of the 2 places to put the PTO. It is right at the very outer edge of the housing, when the PTO spins, the seal does too, which I also don\'t think is right? Does this seal just pop right out? Not sure if the PTO on this is the same as a row crop or not?','',0,0,'gA==','xdqby1x9',0,0,'u_450','',0),(2951,0,372,0,'',1080058415,1,1,1,1,'Oliver Heritage','Danny, \r\n   Just curious.  Does the HPOCA mag have an advertisement for Oliver Heritage like was discussed on the HPOCA site before the winter meeting.  My money is on that there is no Oliver Heritage ad.  LOL\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','2bd50rms',0,0,'u_372','',0),(2956,0,450,0,'',1080092944,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1800 Hydra-lectric','[quote:2yevr9ll][quote:2yevr9ll][quote:2yevr9ll][quote:2yevr9ll]Hi John, can you give a description of the Hydra lectric? Do you know where to find a hydra-lectric cylinder? Your information is much appreciated. Thanks. Wide Open[/quote:2yevr9ll]\nOn the PTO shaft leaking, are you talking the top or drive shaft opening or the bottom opening, the output shaft? No, fuel gauge is does not need to be calibrated and I do not know of a hydralectric cylinder. On the hydralectric, a series of articles on all Oliver hydralectrics will be starting in the newsletter probably after the next issue.[/quote:2yevr9ll]\n\nJohn, the PTO seal is leaking where the splined 540 shaft comes out of the housing. It is on the lower of the 2 places to put the PTO. It is right at the very outer edge of the housing, when the PTO spins, the seal does too, which I also don\'t think is right? Does this seal just pop right out? Not sure if the PTO on this is the same as a row crop or not?[/quote:2yevr9ll]\nI will try to send you some pictures this weekend on the PTO. seal[/quote:2yevr9ll]\r\n\r\nThanks John, that would be great, thanks for all your help-Wide Open','',0,0,'gA==','2yevr9ll',0,0,'u_450','',0),(2957,0,450,0,'',1080092944,1,1,1,1,'Re: 1800 Hydra-lectric','[quote:2yevr9ll][quote:2yevr9ll][quote:2yevr9ll][quote:2yevr9ll]Hi John, can you give a description of the Hydra lectric? Do you know where to find a hydra-lectric cylinder? Your information is much appreciated. Thanks. Wide Open[/quote:2yevr9ll]\nOn the PTO shaft leaking, are you talking the top or drive shaft opening or the bottom opening, the output shaft? No, fuel gauge is does not need to be calibrated and I do not know of a hydralectric cylinder. On the hydralectric, a series of articles on all Oliver hydralectrics will be starting in the newsletter probably after the next issue.[/quote:2yevr9ll]\n\nJohn, the PTO seal is leaking where the splined 540 shaft comes out of the housing. It is on the lower of the 2 places to put the PTO. It is right at the very outer edge of the housing, when the PTO spins, the seal does too, which I also don\'t think is right? Does this seal just pop right out? Not sure if the PTO on this is the same as a row crop or not?[/quote:2yevr9ll]\nI will try to send you some pictures this weekend on the PTO. seal[/quote:2yevr9ll]\r\n\r\nThanks John, that would be great, thanks for all your help-Wide Open','',0,0,'gA==','2yevr9ll',0,0,'u_450','',0),(2958,0,40,0,'',1080101227,1,1,1,1,'Re: By-laws and regional directors','John:\r\n\r\nI am also sorry I did not meet you in Lancaster.  I asked around about you and just never got together.  I should have left a message for you in your room, but I did not.  After you read this you\'ll understand that was a major goof on my part.\r\n\r\nOverall I enjoyed the meeting and getting to talk to the different members and vendors.\r\n\r\nI got a smaller version of the \"Ollie in the closet drill\" with the board on Firday morning.  It was interesting and somewhat enlightening. (SP)?   As a result of the meeting I think I got myself excluded from participating in any of the meetings/discussions that the members of the by-laws committee had during the time we were in Lancaster.\r\n\r\nWhen I signed up as an alternate Andy said I could put in ideas, make comments go to the committee meetings in Lanacaster, but I would not be able to vote unless someone did not show up.  As you know I did all that in the time before the meeting.  On Thursday out at Landis Zimmerman\'s I talked to Andy and told him I would be available whenever he wanted to get together.  He did not know it at that time but I knew that one of the committee members from California would not be there due to illness in the family.  I was pretty sure I would get to become a member and get to vote.  Later than night Andy saw me in the lobby and told me what I already knew and asked if I was ready to become a full member.  I said I was just let me know when they were meeting.\r\n\r\nThen Friday morning the board, Terry and I had a 45 minute discussion in the first room where the chapters had set up their displays.  Andy was there for some of it, but not all the time.\r\n\r\nAfter that I did not see Andy until Sat just before the members meeeting.  He saw me and asked where I had been since he had been looking for me to work on the bylaws, but since he could not find me he had had to get someone else.  I asked if he had left a message in my room and he said no because he did not know my room number.\r\n\r\nNeedless to say I was some sort of mad at that point.  I had my computer with me and when I had found out that I would be able to vote I had used your ideas and numbers to markup a map and I had revised language in the bylaws.  He told me how much trouble they had had typing up changes etc and we could have done it on my computer as they met.  Man I was so torqued at the meeting I could hardly see straight.\r\n\r\nThen when they made that half hearted presentation at the meeting I was really upset.  Second graders could have done  better.\r\n\r\nSo to answer your question I was not very impressed by the work of the bylaws committee.\r\n\r\nI\'ve stayed off the web for awhile, but I\'m going to make some comments on here in the near future.  I\'ve just kind of been waiting for my copy of the magazine to show up. \r\n\r\nI sure did appreciate your input and after reading this I guess now you know why I goofed by not leaving a message for you.  When I worked for DoD I traveled the world and whenever I wanted to talk to someone in the hotel and I could not find them I\'d call their room and leave a message.  Smething I should have done for you and something I think Andy could have done if he wanted to.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:ek9bi6y5]Hi Bill,\n\n   I just wanted to check in with you. Sorry I didn\'t get to meet up with you at the get-together. I was wondering what your take was on what the by-laws committee came up with and presented to the membership? I\'m not sure that the idea of regional directors got much consideration. I know people don\'t like change, but somtimes it\'s needed. The only reasoning that I got was that if directors were spread out they wouldn\'t want to spend the time and money to attend the board meetings. That was kind of weak! I would hope that someone would know that going into the position. \n\nI think that Andy Blackwood walked into a hornet\'s nest that he didn\'t know was going to be there when he volunteered for chairman of the committee. \n\n   I had a guy call me last night that had heard there were troubles in the club. Another person told him I had went to the get-together, and he wanted to know what was going on. He has been a member for a long time, I think he said his # was 420. He was also in favor of more directors. He thought that having one from each chapter would be too many, but that the members needed more representation. He said he had never liked the idea of the president appointing the board. I told him that the proposed change of the by-laws would now have all directors eclected by the membership, he thought that was a good start. \n\n   I just wanted to get in touch with you. I felt like you and others had good input on the by-laws and yet not much survived the committee. \n\n                       Thanks, John Hume[/quote:ek9bi6y5]','',0,0,'gA==','ek9bi6y5',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2959,0,40,0,'',1080101227,1,1,1,1,'Re: By-laws and regional directors','John:\r\n\r\nI am also sorry I did not meet you in Lancaster.  I asked around about you and just never got together.  I should have left a message for you in your room, but I did not.  After you read this you\'ll understand that was a major goof on my part.\r\n\r\nOverall I enjoyed the meeting and getting to talk to the different members and vendors.\r\n\r\nI got a smaller version of the \"Ollie in the closet drill\" with the board on Firday morning.  It was interesting and somewhat enlightening. (SP)?   As a result of the meeting I think I got myself excluded from participating in any of the meetings/discussions that the members of the by-laws committee had during the time we were in Lancaster.\r\n\r\nWhen I signed up as an alternate Andy said I could put in ideas, make comments go to the committee meetings in Lanacaster, but I would not be able to vote unless someone did not show up.  As you know I did all that in the time before the meeting.  On Thursday out at Landis Zimmerman\'s I talked to Andy and told him I would be available whenever he wanted to get together.  He did not know it at that time but I knew that one of the committee members from California would not be there due to illness in the family.  I was pretty sure I would get to become a member and get to vote.  Later than night Andy saw me in the lobby and told me what I already knew and asked if I was ready to become a full member.  I said I was just let me know when they were meeting.\r\n\r\nThen Friday morning the board, Terry and I had a 45 minute discussion in the first room where the chapters had set up their displays.  Andy was there for some of it, but not all the time.\r\n\r\nAfter that I did not see Andy until Sat just before the members meeeting.  He saw me and asked where I had been since he had been looking for me to work on the bylaws, but since he could not find me he had had to get someone else.  I asked if he had left a message in my room and he said no because he did not know my room number.\r\n\r\nNeedless to say I was some sort of mad at that point.  I had my computer with me and when I had found out that I would be able to vote I had used your ideas and numbers to markup a map and I had revised language in the bylaws.  He told me how much trouble they had had typing up changes etc and we could have done it on my computer as they met.  Man I was so torqued at the meeting I could hardly see straight.\r\n\r\nThen when they made that half hearted presentation at the meeting I was really upset.  Second graders could have done  better.\r\n\r\nSo to answer your question I was not very impressed by the work of the bylaws committee.\r\n\r\nI\'ve stayed off the web for awhile, but I\'m going to make some comments on here in the near future.  I\'ve just kind of been waiting for my copy of the magazine to show up. \r\n\r\nI sure did appreciate your input and after reading this I guess now you know why I goofed by not leaving a message for you.  When I worked for DoD I traveled the world and whenever I wanted to talk to someone in the hotel and I could not find them I\'d call their room and leave a message.  Smething I should have done for you and something I think Andy could have done if he wanted to.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:ek9bi6y5]Hi Bill,\n\n   I just wanted to check in with you. Sorry I didn\'t get to meet up with you at the get-together. I was wondering what your take was on what the by-laws committee came up with and presented to the membership? I\'m not sure that the idea of regional directors got much consideration. I know people don\'t like change, but somtimes it\'s needed. The only reasoning that I got was that if directors were spread out they wouldn\'t want to spend the time and money to attend the board meetings. That was kind of weak! I would hope that someone would know that going into the position. \n\nI think that Andy Blackwood walked into a hornet\'s nest that he didn\'t know was going to be there when he volunteered for chairman of the committee. \n\n   I had a guy call me last night that had heard there were troubles in the club. Another person told him I had went to the get-together, and he wanted to know what was going on. He has been a member for a long time, I think he said his # was 420. He was also in favor of more directors. He thought that having one from each chapter would be too many, but that the members needed more representation. He said he had never liked the idea of the president appointing the board. I told him that the proposed change of the by-laws would now have all directors eclected by the membership, he thought that was a good start. \n\n   I just wanted to get in touch with you. I felt like you and others had good input on the by-laws and yet not much survived the committee. \n\n                       Thanks, John Hume[/quote:ek9bi6y5]','',0,0,'gA==','ek9bi6y5',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2960,0,12,0,'',1080137224,1,1,1,1,'By-laws... What to do?','Hi Bill,\r\n\r\n  I suppose this is a mute point, but what do you think we can do about the by-laws? I agree with you on the presentation at the meeting. The unorganized and unprofessional conduct of a NATIONAL association just drives me crazy. The final presentation of the draft is not going to be presented until the summer show. I bet Andy hasn\'t done a thing with what they came up with! It looks to me like there could still be time to do some changing. \r\n\r\n  Are we going to need a shake-up in the leadership to change direction and break the \"Good ole Boy\" hold that is now in place? I\'m not sure I\'m ready to run for a national office, but I believe I could do as good if not a better job. I\'m sorry to hear you were subjected to the \"closet\". I just can\'t believe that this club could intoxicate someone with the little power it has! \r\n\r\n  It may be too late for the by-laws this time, but who knows?\r\n\r\n        Thanks for the reponse, John.','',0,0,'gA==','3it59ot7',0,0,'u_12','',0),(2963,0,372,0,'',1080139489,1,1,1,1,'HPOCA mag','Danny,\r\n   I\'m surprised that I got the latest magazine.  You are right it is better.  Still a lot of fuller and fluff.  Its pretty but still not much for content.\r\n   I was surprised at the amount of advertizing.  They must really be beating that drum.\r\n  Terry must not be that photogenic. What a sourpuss he looks like. LOL\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','1ld63hfy',0,0,'u_372','',0),(2969,0,372,0,'',1080164814,1,1,1,1,'Re: HPOCA mag','Danny,\r\n   When you e mail Sherry next time offer her my copy.  Who knows her outhouse may be a little short on cobs given current corn harvesting technology.\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','16kcdkx5',0,0,'u_372','',0),(2972,0,40,0,'',1080189583,1,1,1,1,'Re: By-laws... What to do?','John since the meeting in Lancaster I have been pretty busy.  Not home very much, but I should be here for awhile now.  So, I\'ve been thinking about making a post with some observations on the meeting and the club.  I still have not got my magazine and thought I\'d also comment on that.  \r\n\r\nOne of the things I don\'t like about the club is they hand out stuff for people to look at at the start of or during the meeting and then want to have you vote on it in the next 10 minutes.  I think that any handouts they are going to have should be provided to the members when they check in with the sponsoring club so you can look it over before the meeting and make half smart comments.\r\n\r\nAs far as the by-laws go I\'m waiting to see if Andy makes a comment to my brother about my input to the committee.  I will tell you that if they don\'t hand them out before hand at the meeting in South Dakota, I will stand up and say we should delay a vote until members can read them and ask about them.  Maybe no one else will support me, but I really don\'t care and I don\'t think the club has to rush into any revisions.  The biggest thing wrong with them right now is the appointed directors.  That has to go, but we don\'t need to take what the by law committee presents as the final word.  I still think regional directors are the way to go, but that would mean that the chapters in the regions would be responsible for coming up with members that would really participate as board members.  I can tell you after my 45 minute meeting with the current group they don\'t think that the \"regions\" could come up with guys that would participate.  I think that is not correct, but I may be wrong and they may be right.  I do think we should try it and see what happens.     \r\n\r\n[quote:1ngry7vc]Hi Bill,\n\n  I suppose this is a mute point, but what do you think we can do about the by-laws? I agree with you on the presentation at the meeting. The unorganized and unprofessional conduct of a NATIONAL association just drives me crazy. The final presentation of the draft is not going to be presented until the summer show. I bet Andy hasn\'t done a thing with what they came up with! It looks to me like there could still be time to do some changing. \n\n  Are we going to need a shake-up in the leadership to change direction and break the \"Good ole Boy\" hold that is now in place? I\'m not sure I\'m ready to run for a national office, but I believe I could do as good if not a better job. I\'m sorry to hear you were subjected to the \"closet\". I just can\'t believe that this club could intoxicate someone with the little power it has! \n\n  It may be too late for the by-laws this time, but who knows?\n\n        Thanks for the reponse, John.[/quote:1ngry7vc]','',0,0,'gA==','1ngry7vc',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2973,0,40,0,'',1080189583,1,1,1,1,'Re: By-laws... What to do?','John since the meeting in Lancaster I have been pretty busy.  Not home very much, but I should be here for awhile now.  So, I\'ve been thinking about making a post with some observations on the meeting and the club.  I still have not got my magazine and thought I\'d also comment on that.  \r\n\r\nOne of the things I don\'t like about the club is they hand out stuff for people to look at at the start of or during the meeting and then want to have you vote on it in the next 10 minutes.  I think that any handouts they are going to have should be provided to the members when they check in with the sponsoring club so you can look it over before the meeting and make half smart comments.\r\n\r\nAs far as the by-laws go I\'m waiting to see if Andy makes a comment to my brother about my input to the committee.  I will tell you that if they don\'t hand them out before hand at the meeting in South Dakota, I will stand up and say we should delay a vote until members can read them and ask about them.  Maybe no one else will support me, but I really don\'t care and I don\'t think the club has to rush into any revisions.  The biggest thing wrong with them right now is the appointed directors.  That has to go, but we don\'t need to take what the by law committee presents as the final word.  I still think regional directors are the way to go, but that would mean that the chapters in the regions would be responsible for coming up with members that would really participate as board members.  I can tell you after my 45 minute meeting with the current group they don\'t think that the \"regions\" could come up with guys that would participate.  I think that is not correct, but I may be wrong and they may be right.  I do think we should try it and see what happens.     \r\n\r\n[quote:1ngry7vc]Hi Bill,\n\n  I suppose this is a mute point, but what do you think we can do about the by-laws? I agree with you on the presentation at the meeting. The unorganized and unprofessional conduct of a NATIONAL association just drives me crazy. The final presentation of the draft is not going to be presented until the summer show. I bet Andy hasn\'t done a thing with what they came up with! It looks to me like there could still be time to do some changing. \n\n  Are we going to need a shake-up in the leadership to change direction and break the \"Good ole Boy\" hold that is now in place? I\'m not sure I\'m ready to run for a national office, but I believe I could do as good if not a better job. I\'m sorry to hear you were subjected to the \"closet\". I just can\'t believe that this club could intoxicate someone with the little power it has! \n\n  It may be too late for the by-laws this time, but who knows?\n\n        Thanks for the reponse, John.[/quote:1ngry7vc]','',0,0,'gA==','1ngry7vc',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2975,0,40,0,'',1080189725,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Danny I know the open by-law forum is closed, I was just wondering if the forum for by-law committee members was still up and running.  It shoud be as best as I can determine.  I just thought Andy might confirm that it was.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:3uetugiv]By-laws forum has definately been shut down. [/quote:3uetugiv]','',0,0,'gA==','3uetugiv',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2976,0,40,0,'',1080190661,1,1,1,1,'Fwd:','Chris:\r\n\r\nHow did Danyy read my post on the by-laws commitee forum?  Is he a member of the committee?\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n\r\nuote]By-laws forum has definately been shut down. [/quote]','',0,0,'','225kxzlv',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2977,0,40,0,'',1080190661,1,1,1,1,'Fwd:','Chris:\r\n\r\nHow did Danyy read my post on the by-laws commitee forum?  Is he a member of the committee?\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n\r\nuote]By-laws forum has definately been shut down. [/quote]','',0,0,'','225kxzlv',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2987,0,40,0,'',1080255089,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Danny:\r\n\r\nHe did not confirm it was open.  I\'m pretty sure it is when I get on it it says you can still post.\r\n\r\nChris has had the software I guess to create such forums at least since last winter.  The by-laws guys used it right up until the meeting.\r\n\r\nI agree that it would be a good way for board memebers to communicate.  Better tahn U2Us or e-mails.  Everybody with access can see what is posted and respond.  That way guys coming from a different areas could work things out without a lot of long distance phone calls.\r\n\r\nWill let you know what Andy has to say.\r\n\r\nI think the board may have him gagged since my brother made that post about my input.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n[quote:18vamad6]Did Andy ever confirm it being open?   I am a little surprised actually that there is a non public committee forum. I had brought up having \"non public\" forums for committee and board meetings. Actually w/ my u2u\'s I didn\'t get any response. When Eddie mentioned it in the open by-laws forum...Andy had told him most members are interested in workin on their tractors not computers.   \n       I\'m just not certain what to think!\nI have a friend as a side business sets up software/ forums for company\'s etc.. There is alot to choose from and many can be set up that all business of meetings can be conducted in the comfort of home. Including voting on issues.\n\nDanny Tabor\n\n[/quote:18vamad6]','',0,0,'gA==','18vamad6',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2991,0,40,0,'',1080255970,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','Danny:\r\n\r\ni think they took some of the suggestions seriously and then some of them were not rally things that should be in the by-laws.  When I first got involved they really didn\'t want elected directors.  i made a big deal out of it and that will happen.  \r\n\r\nI did not support putting in the by-laws how contracts are terminated.  I worked for the govt for 32 years and I can tell you that you have to have termination clauses for each contract.  \r\nI\'m torqued that I didn\'t get to go to the by-law committee meetings in PA because according to Andy \"He couldn\'t find me.\"\r\n\r\nDid you see the letter that Landis got that day at his place?  Ed was going to let me see it, but I couldn\'t at that time.  Did Kline call anyone who was not happy a renegade?\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote:i5zktrrq]What is your feeling about the by-laws committee? Do you think they took your input seriously?\n\n\n\n[quote:i5zktrrq]Danny:\n\nHe did not confirm it was open.  I\'m pretty sure it is when I get on it it says you can still post.\n\nChris has had the software I guess to create such forums at least since last winter.  The by-laws guys used it right up until the meeting.\n\nI agree that it would be a good way for board memebers to communicate.  Better tahn U2Us or e-mails.  Everybody with access can see what is posted and respond.  That way guys coming from a different areas could work things out without a lot of long distance phone calls.\n\nWill let you know what Andy has to say.\n\nI think the board may have him gagged since my brother made that post about my input.\n\nBill Brandt\n\n[quote:i5zktrrq]Did Andy ever confirm it being open?   I am a little surprised actually that there is a non public committee forum. I had brought up having \"non public\" forums for committee and board meetings. Actually w/ my u2u\'s I didn\'t get any response. When Eddie mentioned it in the open by-laws forum...Andy had told him most members are interested in workin on their tractors not computers.   \n       I\'m just not certain what to think!\nI have a friend as a side business sets up software/ forums for company\'s etc.. There is alot to choose from and many can be set up that all business of meetings can be conducted in the comfort of home. Including voting on issues.\n\nDanny Tabor\n\n[/quote:i5zktrrq][/quote:i5zktrrq][/quote:i5zktrrq]','',0,0,'gA==','i5zktrrq',0,0,'u_40','',0),(2996,0,12,0,'',1080258229,1,1,1,1,'Follow up...','Hi Bill, \r\n\r\n   I agree with you about the financial reports, it would be nice to have time to review before the meeting. That\'s just one of the things I think should be done to improve the meetings. Someone had posted that they were suprised that there wasn\'t a sign-in at the get-together. That would be the perfect time to hand out the financial report, minutes from previous mtg, agenda for the mgt, and schedule of events for the show. If they are interested they can pick them up, if not that\'s OK too. That sign-in would also give a list of names of possible canidates. If they are coming to the get-togethers and shows they might have some interest in helping out, holding office, ect.  I didn\'t understand why the financial report had been faxed to the get-together. I would have thought it would have been available before that day. And not having enough copies to go around shouldn\'t happen either. The by-laws say that an annual report on the boards activities and a financial report are to be published in the magazine. I went back 5-6 years in my magazines and that has only happened once! \r\n\r\n  Sorry to Rant and Ramble, I just get fed up with how people do things sometimes. \r\n\r\n  Good to hear from you, John.','',0,0,'gA==','cnqere9n',0,0,'u_12','',0),(2999,0,35,0,'',1080258552,1,1,1,1,'Re: Re:','[quote:1xoln49g]Frank,\n    I have gathered through reading some of the posts that you are a profesor...high school or college? As you can tell by my spelling and grammar, I am not.\n    What is it that you teach?\n   I think this summer I am going to try too make an effort to attend more shows away from home. This way I can meet some of those I\'ve been talking with on the forum.  What shows do you attend?   The best show we have here in Cecil County is Dave Reed\'s(Otto Gas Engine Works). It\'s not big but is certainly fun. A nice display of local talent and only three miles from the house.\n       Its a little difficult being self employed to plan to many shows. When I\'m not working I have a tractor pull sled that ties me down. Although I think this year it will only take up 5 or 6 weekends.    \n       So I think maybe I should be able to attend a couple shows w/o having to bring along my sled.  That\'ll be nice!\nDanny[/quote:1xoln49g]\r\n\r\nDanny,\r\n\r\nI am a college professor of human anatomy and physiology however I am presently acting as Vice President of Academic Affairs. Don\'t let the education fool you because I am still an old country boy with an education. My folks never attended college and were either farmers, country store merchants or farm equipment dealers on a small scale. I was raised in the mid portion of TN but now live in the western portion. I grew up with Olivers.\r\n\r\nAs for tractor shows I can only attend very few because of work demands. We have two large shows in TN with over 1,000 tractors but non brand specific. My Ruritan club sponsors a small show and I attend 2-3 other small shows. You would enjoy the large shows and I will U2U information on them.\r\nFrank','',0,0,'gA==','1xoln49g',0,0,'u_35','',0),(3000,0,40,0,'',1080266673,1,1,1,1,'Re: Follow up...','John:\r\n\r\nI think I will put up a post tonight and see what happens.  I really like the club and it is good for Oliver collectors.  I really don\'t think the guys running it now want it to be \"their\" club they just goofed up in the way the terminated Sherry.  Right or wrong, firing her was up to them.  I don\'t know if they made the right decision, but I do know they totally screwed up the mess afterwards.\r\n\r\nWell, we will see if we can get some changes at the next meeting.   \r\n\r\nBill\r\n\r\n[quote:1ttegf2l] Hi Bill, \n\n   I agree with you about the financial reports, it would be nice to have time to review before the meeting. That\'s just one of the things I think should be done to improve the meetings. Someone had posted that they were suprised that there wasn\'t a sign-in at the get-together. That would be the perfect time to hand out the financial report, minutes from previous mtg, agenda for the mgt, and schedule of events for the show. If they are interested they can pick them up, if not that\'s OK too. That sign-in would also give a list of names of possible canidates. If they are coming to the get-togethers and shows they might have some interest in helping out, holding office, ect.  I didn\'t understand why the financial report had been faxed to the get-together. I would have thought it would have been available before that day. And not having enough copies to go around shouldn\'t happen either. The by-laws say that an annual report on the boards activities and a financial report are to be published in the magazine. I went back 5-6 years in my magazines and that has only happened once! \n\n  Sorry to Rant and Ramble, I just get fed up with how people do things sometimes. \n\n  Good to hear from you, John.[/quote:1ttegf2l]','',0,0,'gA==','1ttegf2l',0,0,'u_40','',0),(3005,0,372,0,'',1080273233,1,1,1,1,'','I sent a long diatribe on hotmail.  Tell me if it made any sense\r\nJohn','',0,0,'gA==','2a3iipfz',0,0,'u_372','',0),(3010,0,40,0,'',1080302971,1,1,1,1,'Bylaws Committee forum','Chris:\r\n\r\nJust went to look at the HPOCA Forum.  When I read the box in the Bylaws Committee forum it indicates the only way you can see that box is if you are authorized access to it.  So if that is true how would Danny be able to click on the white arrow?  Or is there a way that anyone can look at the last guy that posted on the whole forum page?\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,0,'gA==','3puqyp07',0,0,'u_40','',0),(3011,0,40,0,'',1080302971,1,1,1,1,'Bylaws Committee forum','Chris:\r\n\r\nJust went to look at the HPOCA Forum.  When I read the box in the Bylaws Committee forum it indicates the only way you can see that box is if you are authorized access to it.  So if that is true how would Danny be able to click on the white arrow?  Or is there a way that anyone can look at the last guy that posted on the whole forum page?\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,0,'gA==','3puqyp07',0,0,'u_40','',0),(3012,0,40,0,'',1080341903,1,1,1,1,'bylaws forum','Chris;\r\n\r\nDon\'t even answer those other stupid U2Us.  I figured out what you meant by not logging in and then trying to view Andy\'s post, when it  was the last post that had been made.  I was told I could not access that forum, but I could see the subject.\r\n\r\nThanks.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,0,'gA==','ztzd7prb',0,0,'u_40','',0),(3013,0,40,0,'',1080341903,1,1,1,1,'bylaws forum','Chris;\r\n\r\nDon\'t even answer those other stupid U2Us.  I figured out what you meant by not logging in and then trying to view Andy\'s post, when it  was the last post that had been made.  I was told I could not access that forum, but I could see the subject.\r\n\r\nThanks.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,0,'gA==','ztzd7prb',0,0,'u_40','',0),(3116,0,555,0,'',1080493710,1,1,1,1,'Oliver plow','My Dad is restoring an Oliver model 53 footburner. It is a rollover plow. Do you have any info on this or know where I could find some. Thanks Brian','',0,0,'gA==','6vph0p2z',0,0,'u_555','',0),(3129,0,464,0,'',1080533400,1,1,1,1,'Re:','Doing just fine, reading the forums but Danny is sdaying most of what I need to say.  Also had knee surgery on Monday, so I have not been overly energetic.\r\nAndy would be better off just keeping quiet.  Everytime he speaks he digs himeslf into a hole.\r\nEd','',0,0,'gA==','2cit91mw',0,0,'u_464','',0),(3130,0,556,0,'',1080534734,1,1,1,1,'1650D questions','Hi John:  I followed you over here from the YT site as I have been to many sites and you seem to be the most knowledgable about these tractors.  I have some fairly specific questions to ask and am wondering if that\'s OK and whether to do thru U2U or via e-mail.  My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:gneufeld@hotmail.com\">gneufeld@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n                      Thanks,\r\n                            Greg','',0,0,'gA==','1ot4ii1g',0,0,'u_556','',0),