(1081,288,2,96,0,'216.201.29.85',1058911199,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','PSB Pump','Yes you can. The pump stays on, but the governor needs to come off. The last Kit I purchased was $50. but includes new bearings which is what makes the seal leak and a new plug for the back side. I do not have one in stock right now and I do not remember if the two gaskets come with it or not. Buy yourself a good Snap On 1/4 inch drive size 7/16 universal socket. It makes the project a lot easier.','',0,'IA==','1brr9y5d',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1082,288,2,96,0,'216.201.29.85',1058911419,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','PSB Pump','The problem with middle age. You forget things. I think you read my article in the Cockshutt Quarterly. I think next issue we will have part two. Part two will be how to do this. Throttle shafts are a little tough to obtain and most are worn. I may have an alternate repair and it is just a field fix, but I need to check if this one little item is still available. Questions U2U me.','',0,'IA==','2pvwa3iz',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1083,279,1,254,0,'216.37.132.150',1058921526,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 hard to start','It has a y  pump it is a 1953. I got a pimp coming but is off of a combine but the numbers match and it runs so i am going to try it.I checked it has the restrictor  and i have about 6 psi of fule pressure now that i put a electric pump on it . so i hope it will work . What is the best gear to pull it in ? my cusin pulles his M in first but it is a M any way they say the sled is about 30,000 lbs . The smoke screw is on the inside it is a Y pump.','',0,'IA==','17v8m2km',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1084,289,1,257,0,'63.185.225.193',1058924525,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tip','Oliver 60 Manifold','I am looking for an Oliver 60 manifold and the clutch linkage pieces. \r\n\r\nSuggestions appreciated.\r\n\r\nMy email:  [pbtdt@earthlink.net] \r\n\r\nThanks, Tip','',0,'','2oz71q2k',1,0,'',257,0,0),(1085,280,3,23,0,'12.28.99.80',1058947358,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Jeff','','I managed to make it to the show on Saturday.  It took all of Friday to get there.  We checked out the grounds briefly on Friday night around 7 pm and it was pretty wet yet.  There must have been a strong storm that went through during the day on Friday because we were following dark clouds the whole way there.  Going through Rantoul, IL was an adventure.  There were trees down on the road and we were going through water a foot deep on the highway in places.  Saturday turned out to be a great day though.  This was my first time attending a National Oliver show and I didn&#039;t expect that many people there.  I found out why they make it a few days long: it&#039;s impossible to see everything in one day!  Jeff.','',0,'','11te5gqd',1,0,'',23,0,0),(1086,290,1,267,0,'166.34.152.148',1059056650,1,0,1,1,1,1,'KenQ','Oliver 500 value question','I have an Oliver 500, Diesel engine tractor that I plan to offer for sale through a local newspaper.  I live near Calhan, CO.  What is the fair market value of an Oliver 500?  It has new rubber on the rear and one of the front tires.  Hydraulics leak, and one of the fenders is dented, otherwise it is in good condition.  It ran well when I parked it a year or so ago (in a barn), but I have not tried to start it recently.','',0,'','stebhbgd',1,0,'',267,0,0),(1087,290,1,96,0,'216.201.29.165',1059098810,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Just curious','Is my memory bad or were there two different  series of the 500 models, if so do you have a serial number and or know if it is an early or late model?','',0,'','3q7h90pc',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1088,290,1,35,0,'65.82.173.82',1059100850,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','500','John\r\n\r\nIf you are referring to the gasoline version and diesel version there were two series. As you know these were built by David Brown and was imported from 1960-63. The tractor was first distributed from the Cleveland plant and later from Charles City plant. My cousin was a dealer during this time and he sold several. They were tough in 30 hp tractors but hydraulics gave a little problem. \r\nAs for the gentlemens question as to the worth, I saw one sell that was sold new in 63 and had been used as the only tractor by the farmer. It was a diesel, straight tin and good tires. It sold for $1550.','',0,'','3p6x3a5a',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1089,289,1,47,0,'65.238.36.243',1059105616,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Let me know what you need, next time I go out to where I have a 60 parts tractor, I will look.','',0,'','20en8pho',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1090,291,1,270,0,'195.93.34.13',1059132186,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Rossco','Oliver H.G. 42&quot; Crawler Tractor','I am currently restoring an Oliver H.G. .42&amp;quot; crawler tractor (ser No 30GA300, Eng 1 x K-3 1298493)  I am seeking information regarding the proper way tro remove the engine from the main &amp;quot;chassis&amp;quot;.  I do not have any appropriate literature to refer to.  Visual inspection seem&#039;s to suggest that the bell housing assembly had to stay in place on the chassis?  I would be very grateful if somebody could give some clues?','',0,'','2u4ijs8s',1,0,'',270,0,0),(1091,291,1,35,0,'65.82.173.82',1059137195,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','HG','Contact Landis Zimmerman at 717-738-2573. He is the foremost expert on Oliver crawlers.','',0,'','1w1owld5',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1092,290,1,96,0,'216.201.29.108',1059175674,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','500 Tractor','Thanks Frank. Did you ever have any dealings with the 600 series?\r\nI talked to an Oliver dealer one time that was so impressed with them he took on the David Brown line after Oliver quit them. This was in 1964. He said you had to think a little first before you tore into the hydraulics, but all in all it was a decent system. FYi for you I had to go by the local equipment jockey yesterday due to some road construction. He has an 1850 gas very clean, wide front, hydra power fuel tank fenders good rubber on power shift rims. He is using it to mow around the farm this summer. 4900 is asking price. he has a whole row of plows, he had an interesting answer on what they were brining.  4 bottom semimounted I don&#039;t even bid on, 5 bottom less than 200, 6 bottom on land hitch especially an IH 720\r\nwell we will go more. We used to sell a lot of plows when I worked for he dealer but we have not had a plow out of the barn for 7-8 years here on the farm. how times change !','',0,'','w1f66p7k',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1093,290,1,35,0,'67.32.84.159',1059185968,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','600','John\r\n\r\nMy cousin did sell some 600s and they were very good tractors. I think they were similiar to the David Brown 880. We owned a 990 &amp;amp; 1200 and they were good tractors. They were much lighter than the Olivers with the same hp.\r\nAs for plows, we still use them in the middle part of the state primarily 2 to 3 bottom and they bring $200 if in good shape. Can&#039;t give a 4-5 bottom away. I bought a plowmaster 100 2 btm 12inch in good shape at an estate auction for $10.','',0,'','158h6cmk',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1094,291,1,47,0,'67.241.135.21',1059186938,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','It is no big deal to pull an engine from an HG. Remove the radiator, the driveshaft cover and driveshaft, the fuel tank, fuel tank support, then you can disassemble the clutch housing or leave it on. Disconnect all the wires, lines and linkages, unbolt the mounts and it comes right out. You should call Landis, order a manual and parts book though.','',0,'','x7stpulx',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1095,132,5,98,0,'209.51.206.89',1059317007,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletrac1','','This still sounds good . Does anyone know about when I should start looking for it ?','',0,'','s7mej7g4',1,0,'',98,0,0),(1096,292,1,160,0,'64.186.199.101',1059340047,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','Oliver 4240 Plow','i recently discovered a oliver 4240 3 btm plow and am think of buying it. i was hoping for a lil info on this model. i got the serial number for it- 9273  its on rubber with a rubber trailer wheel   its set up for a cylinder but still works witht the hand levers   its a bit rusty but its in nice shape    mold boards look very nice. any info will be helpful   thank you.','',0,'','28ubre7s',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1097,293,1,160,0,'64.186.199.101',1059340589,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','Serial Numbers','Im purchasing and Oliver 70 and also an 88 \r\ni have the serial numbers and would like some on to check them and gimme specs on each tractor.\r\nThe 70&#039;s s/n is 210643\r\nand the 88&#039;s is 121383\r\n\r\nany info would be very helpful    im only 15 and have restored one oliver so far        please Instant message me and maybe we could talk a lil oliver...','',0,'','2yzofxx5',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1098,293,1,47,0,'65.238.36.48',1059343292,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','The 70 Row Crop is a 1937, the 88 Row Crop is a 1948.','',0,'','vz6v4rv1',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1099,294,3,5,0,'216.166.193.239',1059354129,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Penfield Show','The show is over, so I would like everyone&#039;s  opinion on what they saw at the show and what they thought was the most impressive display there. Hart-Parr #3 does not count as it is one-of -a-kind. I guess the most unusual piece of equipment was Bill Meeker&#039;s LULL forklift.','',0,'','9c7rriza',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1100,294,3,206,0,'205.245.188.203',1059357412,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Swampy','PENFIELD SHOW','Oldblu My opinionwould be kind of like yours,#3 don&#039;t count so next would be Bill Meekers LULLforklift Next would be BILL  There close to the same age.','',0,'','1txm47iv',1,0,'',206,0,0),(1101,293,1,35,0,'67.32.84.159',1059357843,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','70 &amp; 88','Robert\r\n\r\nAndy is correct on the years however you probably want a little more information. Andy probably had a senior moment.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->\r\nThe 70 motor 6 cylinder valve in head,removable sleeves, four speed tranmission, 22.58 drawbar hp, 29.56 belt hp. shipping weight 3,000 lbs.\r\n\r\n88-230.9 cu in 6 cyl engine, 6 forward &amp;amp; 2 reverse transmission,independent pto, 38.56 drawbar hp, 44.96 belt hp, shipping weight 5,285 lbs.\r\n\r\nHave fun and be careful.','',0,'','35h5qs47',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1102,292,1,35,0,'67.32.84.159',1059359183,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','plow','I think that the plow you are referring was produced in the late 50s. Plows don&#039;t bring much so be careful and don&#039;t pay alot.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','1nz30kl9',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1103,292,1,160,0,'64.186.198.116',1059362045,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','anyone have any info on this plow? <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','3ngic776',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1104,293,1,160,0,'64.186.198.116',1059363547,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','thx for the info guys? any help with colors??? im going to restore them  i need to paint these puppies up and get&#039;em looking good','',0,'','gqap40cx',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1105,257,1,160,0,'64.186.198.116',1059363708,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','how much did you sell it for? the price your we asking? just wondering','',0,'','1qew9oqv',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1106,287,3,116,0,'63.173.216.153',1059377199,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','','you guys were lucky, we lost power on the 21st didn&#039;t get it back till the 25th. no power = no computer, to busy to play anyway. had to keep fuel in the generator to keep the cows happy. i&#039;m glad i&#039;m not amish, no electric is no fun.  later guys, kline','',0,'','3b60srwj',1,0,'',116,0,0),(1107,292,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059404818,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','what colors would this particular model be? like frame and wheels and did it have decals?','',0,'','ddhduzj5',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1108,228,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059405144,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','i saw a combine like that at a local tractor show the otherday. i should have asked the guy about the reels...','',0,'','34uhfa2a',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1109,255,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059405410,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','i was just wondering but is this baler a kick or regular?    i have never seen a regular oliver baler  they are always kick','',0,'','1a0r3rn0',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1110,227,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059405511,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','my 1800 has the dual clyinder bracket on that back      i have to oliver cylinders but the cords are slashed....<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','3jr35g3i',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1111,226,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059405639,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','my mom has been mad ever since we kicked her car out of the garage to make room for our 1800... but you know..i couldnt just let the tractor sit outside all winter......its be inhumane like     lol','',0,'','2pd2ek0t',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1112,223,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059405837,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','just out of curiosity does anyone have or  know of a set of what the call whale tail fenders for a &#039;49 farmall M','',0,'','1iiubljb',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1113,179,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059406679,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','ok thats what i was thinking does the 2255 have the 3208 CAT in them?   i heard more than once that those are throw-away engines','',0,'','2l5oedv7',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1114,178,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059406784,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','if you find one or any info on the colors could you gimme a holler? i have a 70 that needs paint','',0,'','2xcpvqfx',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1115,167,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059406923,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','turn the wheel all the way the way u wanna turn then bring it back a fuzz then hold the brake of the tire on the inside of ur turn and u should be fine.','',0,'','1jpf96lq',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1116,155,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059407087,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','im a sophmore and as a freshman i restored an oliver 1800 for FFA     now i have a &#039;37 7ORC and a &#039;48 88RC\r\n\r\n\r\nany tips for the 70 could be helpful','',0,'','1jsea366',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1117,140,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059407291,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','i started with a 1962 Oliver 1800 Checkerboard','',0,'','7n4mjyn3',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1118,49,1,160,0,'64.186.198.58',1059408159,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','my neighbor started farming with a OC-9 when he was 20     he is in his 60&#039;s now and has all masseys       274, 1045, 1100,1100, 3680, 2140   some massey implements    and two massey combines      lol','',0,'','4dc7woq1',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1119,155,1,254,0,'216.37.157.167',1059435593,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','oliver 70 parts','There is a tractor salvage yard near my house they may have what u are loking for or they can find it the phone # is (570)729-7117.and ask for brian in used parts he is good at finding stuff \r\nGreg','',0,'','3sibzggy',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1120,167,1,254,0,'216.37.157.167',1059436019,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','mfwd turning','they are not too bad they bon&#039;t turn on a dime but it depends on what u are doing with it . On a 4wd if u hold one brake it stops bolth front tiresmastof the time.  and it dont help them that they are heavy in the front it wont slide verry well if u try to hold the brake. but it works on most 2wd tractors .\r\nGreg','',0,'','p4b3voik',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1121,179,1,254,0,'216.37.157.167',1059436472,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','bigest oliver','The cat 3208 is a good moter if u take care of it and service it on a regular time. and u don&#039;t run it at max rpm all the time i have known them to go 500,000 or more in a truck . but they were not the best cat ever biult but they are a good motor any how. they make a good puller if u run a few turboes and convert it to achool. but i think diesel is better but that is what i do (I am a diesel truck mechanic)\r\nGreg','',0,'','9zvvsmxb',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1122,255,1,254,0,'216.37.157.167',1059436638,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','model 62 baler','I think you can sharpen the cutters . Have you tried I&amp;amp;T for a manual ?\r\nGreg','',0,'','381ssg9l',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1123,223,1,254,0,'216.37.157.167',1059437381,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','Hart Part fenders','Are the fenders the same as a oliver ?\r\n\r\nSexyFarmerRob Don&#039;t u mean clam shell fenders and besides this is a OLIVER forum you would have better luck finding a Farmall forum .','',0,'','as91esmv',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1124,195,1,254,0,'216.37.157.167',1059437615,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','best','I think the best would be taking a 2255 and take out that small 3208 and swap it for its big brother a 3408 about 452 hp with one turbo from the factory they came in tractor trailers and some cat heavy equitment. \r\nGreg','',0,'','mq8519s2',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1125,223,1,160,0,'64.186.199.112',1059438120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'SexyFarmerRob','','i know this is an oliver forum lol     i was just asking incase sum1 knows','',0,'','2b88wo29',1,0,'',160,0,0),(1126,195,1,37,0,'68.155.6.34',1059451444,1,0,1,1,1,0,'george steadman','what would be best','I have a little experience in this regard. I would take an 1800 rearend and a 2255 tub (it will bolt up) put the 3208 turbo version, laser the injectors, larger plungers in the pump, a Simpson water inj, steel flywheel and make him hunt a machine shop for the binder.','',0,'','31j862mm',1,0,'',37,0,0),(1127,292,1,35,0,'67.32.84.159',1059483549,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','plow','The frame is green and the wheels white. The plow had decals but I can&#039;t tell you how many? Lyle Dumont of Dumont Decals can probably give you the information.','',0,'','10sk8des',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1128,118,2,271,0,'66.158.166.54',1059495727,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jon witvoet','oliver model 11 maure spreader','I have a model 11 manure spreader  steel box, 2 steel wheels, all the gears seem to be in working condition.  It&#039;s for sale.','',0,'','38fgf0gx',1,0,'',271,0,0),(1129,295,1,275,0,'64.251.138.70',1059530061,1,0,1,1,1,0,'helling','oliver 70 rowcrop parts','I am looking for any information concerning parts, paint scheme, motor info. etc. on this particular model.  I am in the process of restoring this model for use as a pulling tractor.  I am especially looking for engine repair help and two side panels, or patterns.  I need an engine manual or anything that would assist in my engine restoration.  I am familiar with International and Farmall tractors, but this is my first restoration with the Oliver.','',0,'','66b7nk43',1,0,'',275,0,0),(1130,296,1,275,0,'64.251.138.170',1059621493,1,0,1,1,1,0,'helling','oliver 70 service manual','I am looking for information on where to get a service manual for an Oliver 70 row crop tractor.  Can anyone guide me in the right direction?????','',0,'','1z72brbb',1,0,'',275,0,0),(1131,296,1,35,0,'65.82.174.71',1059657883,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','70','Try Metttzgers Collectibles at 419-628-2345 or Flyd County Museum at 641-228-1099.','',0,'','2yv0bzie',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1132,297,1,229,0,'139.55.16.77',1059661695,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverlover','Crossflow head','For Sale or Trade\r\n\r\nCrossflow head for Oliver. Big Valves, push rods, rocker arms, intake, exhaust, valve cover, 285-295 grind cam. Will fit larger motors.\r\n\r\nNeed to sell!!!\r\n\r\nCall 859-509-1511 or 859-321-1089 and \r\nask for Preston or e-mail <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dlphnsng@yahoo.com\">dlphnsng@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\n[Edited on 8-1-2003 by oliverlover]\n\n[Edited on 8-7-2003 by oliverlover]','',0,'','2q9smiia',1,0,'',229,0,0),(1133,273,1,275,0,'64.251.138.75',1059749630,1,0,1,1,1,0,'helling','side panels','I am interested in your side panels.  What are you asking for the panels??  I bought a 47, 70 RC and it was missing the side panels.  Here is my phone number if you would rather call me:\r\n314-486-0993\r\nJohn Helling\r\nUnion, MO','',0,'','1px3yxrr',1,0,'',275,0,0),(1134,279,1,254,0,'216.37.132.12',1059778149,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 hard to start','I got my pump on and sh starts like a dream it starts better than a 656 diesel with a fresh head and inj. the local pull is this sunday i am going to see what it will do','',0,'','27odhro6',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1135,298,1,254,0,'216.37.132.12',1059779018,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 side panels /belt pully','I am looking for side panels for a 53 88 row crop all of them and if any body has a belt  pully i am looking for that too.\r\n Greg','',0,'','bd2z5fic',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1136,273,1,258,0,'65.166.133.48',1059784487,1,0,1,1,1,0,'wa0vtj3','side panels','To Helling on side panels.\r\nSorry, but I&#039;m certain mine will not fit as they are the older style.  Your 47 should have the front ends curved and mine have a straight edge set at a little angle.  Mine is about 1937.    Thanks.  Merril','',0,'','hhj2sp69',1,0,'',258,0,0),(1137,298,1,35,0,'65.82.174.71',1059838456,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','88','Try one or all the following:\r\nRick Stair 330-264-9720\r\nKorves 618-939-6681\r\nDorhout 712-324-2760\r\nOliver Parts 618-664-3050\r\nSteinbach 330-339-2636\r\nStorey 615-895-3041\r\nLynch 937-456-6686\r\nRussel Mason 931-967-2753\r\n<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->:D:D','',0,'','36qfplbl',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1138,299,1,278,0,'66.244.74.219',1059884160,1,0,1,1,1,0,'rwdeck','Oliver manure spread','Have a chance to purchase a manure spreader that is believed to be an Oliver.  It has pneumatic spoked wheels on rear and possibly been converted from horsedrawn.  Has a small metal place on side that says &amp;quot;Lot No.75&amp;quot; and also has castings numbers on a lever. It looks similiar to a I 70.  It is a green wooden box and wheels appear to be red. Can anyone help figure out how to identify this spreader?','',0,'','1uh0xh9z',1,0,'',278,0,0),(1139,299,1,35,0,'65.82.174.71',1059939083,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','manure spreader','It seems to me that you are describing a 30s vintage Oliver Superior spreader. However I think most of these spreaders had a red box pine box,green iron parts and yellow wheels. If it is Oliver the model was 75.','',0,'','3r9ks7bb',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1140,213,1,280,0,'63.189.17.209',1059940734,1,0,1,1,1,0,'challer','Got any 60RC&#039;s','I am in need of fenders for a 60RC along with 32&amp;quot; rims.\r\n\r\nChris','',0,'','32xtuo89',1,0,'',280,0,0),(1141,300,1,279,0,'206.72.3.235',1059944401,1,0,1,1,1,0,'zeke','pump on super 88 diesel','Dynoed super 88 only 44 hp. Tractor has rebuilt head new injectors timed by lining up on the marks. Tried to turn smokescrew as it says in manual but nothing for 3/8 deep well socket to fit on. Sure could use some Help. thanks Zeke','',0,'','303lf1ok',1,0,'',279,0,0),(1142,213,1,35,0,'65.82.174.71',1059948853,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','web','I can&#039;t get to your web site. Do you have any S55s or OC3s or 4s?','',0,'','3ixcyk7w',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1143,196,4,281,0,'207.195.43.123',1059953360,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ADH Owner','What year are my ADHs?','I have two ADHs and would like to know what year they were built.  The first one is S/N 2Z 366.  It runs and I am planning to restore it this winter.  The second is not running and will likely be for parts.  The S/N is 5Z 242.  I would also be interested to know original paint color and equipment that would have come with them. The first one I mention is yellow with some green showing on the underside of tracks and has a dozer blade, while the second is orange and has no hydraulics.','',0,'','1o7sthtz',1,0,'',281,0,0),(1144,298,1,254,0,'216.37.157.201',1059954747,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','','Thanks \r\nGreg','',0,'','1koyyt0r',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1145,300,1,254,0,'216.37.157.201',1059955293,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 Pump','Does it have the bosh pump? (bosh )when u timed it the marked tooth on the pump under the windo should be one tooth to the right when it is on the fp mark on the fly wheel. i just whent trought it on my 88 when i had to change pumps . hope this helps if not i would have the pump checked  .\r\nGreg','',0,'','2pbefrem',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1146,279,1,254,0,'216.37.157.201',1059955484,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 hard start','I think i got her licked now she pulled good  124.6 ft and the sled was about 16,000lbs','',0,'','3h1xj0kd',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1147,196,4,47,0,'67.241.135.209',1060051741,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','The 2Z is a 1945, the 5Z is a 1948. The standard factory color for both was &#039;Cletrac Orange&#039; which can be deceiving, as I have a 1951 DDH which had blue paint originally. Paint color choices were available, at an additional charge, from the factory.','',0,'','3p46wdhq',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1148,298,1,47,0,'67.241.135.209',1060052473,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I would check with Richard Lynch first, he has been selling his reproduction sheet metal at our shows forever. It is handcrafted to exacting specs, of top grade materials, and of the finest workmanship possible. The only problem Richard told me about is it is difficult for him to stay ahead of his production, as he has become, over the years, the top manufacturer of Oliver sheet metal.','',0,'','ogq0jtm8',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1149,301,1,282,0,'199.224.79.49',1060102239,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Jack GAUL','OLIVER SUPER 99GM','Anyone looking for Super 99GM?Must sell mine due to health.Was on back cover of HPOC mag.Proven puller in 8500 &amp;amp; 9500#hated by JD owners.Taking bids till 8/31/03.Serious inquires only please.Thanks....Jack','',0,'','1uiyfwyt',1,0,'',282,0,0),(1150,302,1,35,0,'65.82.174.71',1060108596,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Super 99','Jack has one more good looking tractor for sale. I wish I could afford it !:(','',0,'','2uwd6tuo',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1151,301,1,254,0,'216.37.132.129',1060128996,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','super 99 Gm','Wow that is what i whant How much are u asking for it . I can&#039;t aford it but i know somebody who whants one. \r\nGreg::o','',0,'','1g39cgcz',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1152,303,3,283,0,'131.125.24.53',1060179593,1,0,1,1,1,0,'dennisq','1936 hart parr oliver tractor','my mechanic asked me to inquiry about selling his restored 1936 hart parr oliver tractor.  hell i&#039;m a marine biologist and he&#039;s  computer illiterate.  some combo, till two days ago i never heard of such an animal.  is ebay a good idea?  any suggestions?  i would appreciate any help i can get on this matter.  i&#039;m also allerting him to this organization.\r\n\r\nthanks \r\ndennis quinn','',0,'','1cpkk8ap',1,0,'',283,0,0),(1153,303,3,35,0,'65.82.174.71',1060187134,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Hart-Parr','You need to give more information such as model, over all condition, rubber or steel etc.\r\nYou can post an ad in this column, HPOCA Yesterdays Tractor(They have a classified and photo ad section for Oliver) or you can go ebay. Personally I would try this web or Yesterdays Tractor web before ebay.','',0,'','1hohxg74',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1154,304,1,35,0,'65.82.174.71',1060191001,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Oliver HG Alert','There is an Oliver HG advertised on ebay and the picture is of the late Bob Tallman on his restored HG. The odd thing is the description of the crawler is completely wrong. I know Bobs relatives know exactly the model and year. I wonder if it was sold and the new owner is selling it or if this is a scam?','',0,'','34wazg5f',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1155,305,1,87,0,'63.163.213.242',1060193907,1,0,1,1,1,0,'smerritt','Wanted:  Model 4 Cornpicker hydraulic lift parts','I want to put a Model 4 cornpicker on a 77 with hydraulics.  I&#039;m looking for (1) the part that clamps on the frame underneath the tractor that supports one end of the cylinder (2) the part that connects to the other end of the cylinder an fits on the square pivot shaft (3) the slotted tube that fits in the holes in the tractor frame and supports the square pivot shaft and (4) the bushings that support the square pivot shaft inside the slotted tube.  I can provide pictures from the parts book if needed.  Thanks.','',0,'','1abg2upq',1,0,'',87,0,0),(1156,304,1,7,0,'63.250.73.160',1060225340,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','My guess','Is that the description is accurate and the seller lifted the picture to represent the machine he is selling even though the picture isn&#039;t the actual machine. I have seen this done before and the owner of the pictured machine raised H@!! with the seller and filed a complain with the folks at ebay.','',0,'','3eq9onpg',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1157,304,1,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1060305552,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','I sent this email to the seller.\r\n&amp;quot;I am looking at the picture in your ad.  Is this the tractor you are\r\nselling?   This HG is not a 1930 tractor.   The one pictured was restored\r\nand owned by the late Bob Tallman, who is pictured on the tractor.  Did you\r\npurchase this tractor  from his family or are you selling a different\r\ntractor?   if you are selling a different one do you have pictures of the\r\none selling?&amp;quot;\r\n\r\nand here is his reply.\r\n&amp;quot;This is the same model tractor I restored it, the fellow I bought it from\r\ngave me this picture as to what it looks like when its done, and this is\r\nwhat it looks like, I have no idea whom is on the tractor if you need\r\nadditional information call me at XXX-XXX-XXXX thankyou&amp;quot;','',0,'','1s8l9t17',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1158,304,1,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1060305624,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','If it is a HG it is not a 1930 model.   since he didn&#039;t send me a serial number I can&#039;t tell you what it is.','',0,'','166hrt12',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1159,304,1,35,0,'65.82.174.71',1060309068,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','HG','KM\r\n\r\nAT least you got a response from him. I asked him about the same questions. I told him that I knew about the crawler that he advertised. I guess I scared him. If I had been him at least I would have done research on the crawler. I think it is highly unethical for some one to do this and ebay should pull it.\r\nI am sure that Bobs family wouldn&#039;t allow such as this if they knew it.','',0,'','31vqfwvb',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1160,304,1,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1060342029,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','It is interesting that he has revised the description to say 1930&#039;s  instead of 1930 and has added his phone number to the ad.   But he still does not say that it is not the one pictured.','',0,'','1r0gpmi4',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1161,304,1,35,0,'65.82.174.71',1060347433,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','HG REPORT','I noticed that the seller of the 1930 HG has taken it off because in his words there was a mistake in description. Maybe forums such as this can help police those that bend or break the truth when selling  Oliver equipment.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','235h1tqo',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1162,306,1,254,0,'216.37.132.158',1060384210,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','ground travel speeds of a 88 diesel  oliver and plow','I am looking for how fast it goes in all the gears . or where i can find the nabraska test results from a 88 diesel .how much is a 3 bodom oliver trailer plow worth ?I dont know what model or any thing , but i am looking for one to .\r\nGreg','',0,'','3aotg97z',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1163,306,1,35,0,'65.82.174.71',1060387980,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','speeds','This may not be exact but it is close:\r\n1st 2.24\r\n2nd 3.07\r\n3rd 4.21\r\n4th 5.55\r\n5th 6.9\r\n6th 12.1\r\nThe 88 diesel was the first agricultural diesel tractor to be tested at Nebraska according to FARM TRACTORS by Lester Larsen. The test number was 450 and was done in 1950.\r\nAs for the plow I wouldn&#039;t pay much. The two plow Plowmasters have sold for less than $100.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','3s5aqrz5',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1164,306,1,254,0,'216.37.132.109',1060393069,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 speeds','i wish i could find a plow that cheep .does the 88 have a &amp;quot;plow gear&amp;quot; or not . Could u find a plow that cheep i am looking for ons that was maid around 1953 the same year as my 88. and one that  i can pull good .\r\nGreg','',0,'','2ayr8qpn',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1165,306,1,254,0,'216.37.132.109',1060393823,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 speeds','Why did oliver make them go so slow . Around hear (PA) it is IH and some of them fly a friend of mine has a 560 diesel it will do 25 up  2 mile hill  we have raod rides some times but my 88 is to slow for that . \r\nGreg','',0,'','jt2dhx4u',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1166,307,1,287,0,'64.12.96.103',1060465902,1,0,1,1,1,0,'James C.','283 oil pessure','Need help with oil pressure on 283 Waukesha\r\n\r\n[Edited on 8-10-2003 by James C.]\n\n[Edited on 8-21-2003 by James C.]','',0,'','3glub0r6',1,0,'',287,0,0),(1167,307,1,254,0,'216.37.132.107',1060486682,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','283oil press.','what kind of trouble are u having ?','',0,'','nlnu213j',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1168,308,1,254,0,'216.37.132.107',1060487140,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','price of a 0C4','There is a oc4 at a local tractor dealer they are asking $4000 it runs good and has good tin . is it worth it?\r\nGreg','',0,'','355hbts4',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1169,308,1,47,0,'65.238.36.224',1060493973,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Oh gosh! Tough question. How bad do you want it,&amp;amp; will your dealer come down any? Bob Tallman told me he hated rainy days because the farmers had the whole day to do nothing but get his price down, maybe your dealer has the same situation. I guess it is about middle of the road from what I am seeing, alot depends on the condition of the tractor.','',0,'','3k9uf5w7',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1170,308,1,35,0,'65.82.175.66',1060522960,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','OC4','Three years ago I bought a 1963 OC4 that was original for $2000. The machine had no blade and was a 68 guage. I did overhaul it.\r\n\r\nI have a friend who bougth an early OC4 with the 4 cylinder engine for $2500. This machine is in good shape.\r\n\r\nHe also bought an OC3 that can be restored for $900.\r\nThese purchases were made in TN.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','2iw1n2gn',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1171,309,2,289,0,'162.40.113.208',1060526294,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ace1000','Serial numbers for 18-36','Can anyone tell me the years of Hart Parr serial numbers 29536 and 89761 for 18-36.\r\n\r\nLists show serial numbers in the 500,000 range.\r\n\r\nI am looking for original mag and oiler.','',0,'','3p3xxi4r',1,0,'',289,0,0),(1172,308,1,116,0,'63.173.216.74',1060533514,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','','it all depends on how badly you want it. price might be to high for you, but the next guy that comes along may think it&#039;s a good deal. always try to get the price down, especially at a dealer that used equipment dosen&#039;t owe them anything. whatever price they get for it is profit, they didn&#039;t give the guy that traded it in 4000 for it.','',0,'','xxe3759j',1,0,'',116,0,0),(1173,308,1,254,0,'216.37.132.127',1060537423,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','oc4 price','I can&#039;t aford it i was just wondering . It is in good shape runs and works good it is a 4cyl gas it has hyd and pto and a belt pully  no blade . Thanks Greg','',0,'','23dfitgj',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1174,309,2,35,0,'65.82.175.66',1060539065,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','18-36','The 29536 was built in 1927 and the 89761 was built in 1930.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','2jk8tlsm',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1175,310,1,254,0,'199.224.87.92',1060543116,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','belt pully for a 88','I am looking for the pully that mounts on the right side ro run the belt on old equitment . I whant to use to to run a MCormic and Dearing choper blower that i have and my 88 is mising the pully Does any body have one and how much do you whant for it or can some one find one for me.  Greg','',0,'','3gjaz0bt',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1176,310,1,96,0,'216.201.29.207',1060544750,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Belt Pulley','Do you need the gear box too?','',0,'','37wn4szf',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1177,311,1,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1060548722,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','A bad morning','got up this morning and went out to the truck to leave for another day at the Northern Indiana Steam and Gas show.   found the rear driver side window shot out of the truck with a marble.  police officer said some kids were using paintball guns with marbles.   I know they shot 2 windows within a half mile of here.   I hope they catch them','',0,'','2e3b70at',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1178,310,1,254,0,'199.224.87.166',1060562995,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','pully for 88','John No it has the box on it but i need the lever that hooks to the arm on the box and comes trough the dash to the operators seat .How much do you whant for it ? how heavy is it so i know how much is shiping ?\r\nGreg','',0,'','1bg0ij37',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1179,155,1,104,0,'65.227.195.76',1060566952,1,0,1,0,1,0,'breesetr','','I have found that the best source of parts for any make of tractor is a good auto parts store or industial bearing distributor.  Most bearings, retainer rings, pistons, oil rings, seals etc. are of common size.  Just determine your dimmensions and they will have no problem finding them.   I don&#039;t have much luck with the Auto Zone style auto parts stores, usually do best with the small store that does lots of business with the local community or is associated with a machine shop.  I have never bought parts from one of the places that specializes in reproduction or NOS parts.  Just to expensive in most cases.  Something else that has worked well for me is to purchase a basket case of a tractor for parts, use what I need then sell the remainder.\r\n\r\nHope this helps.','',0,'','ok0g31q8',1,0,'',104,0,0),(1180,226,1,104,0,'65.227.195.76',1060567299,1,0,1,1,1,0,'breesetr','','Alas, being single I have never had to concern myself with that problem.  But I do follow the advice of Roger Welsch, never park all of them in a row, disperse them around your property.  After all I would not want to scare off any prospective mates.  Now if could just find the woman who thinks my tractors sexy!','',0,'','2kt5r2q2',1,0,'',104,0,0),(1181,312,1,288,0,'65.222.34.119',1060573727,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oldman','For Sale Oliver 70 rc / Caro show was great!','Recently purchased 2 70 rc&#039;s and need to sell one to finance the other......\r\nTractor is complete, less side panels &amp;amp; front rubber(rims still there &amp;amp; not damaged) engine is stuck, but aside from surface rust, the sheet metal is surprisingly straight &amp;amp; fenders do not appear to be rusted through. Front grill is complete and undamaged, however, the handcrank is missing.  Tractor is currently located 3 miles northeast of Caro MI.\r\ncontact me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:satwar@greatlakes.net\">satwar@greatlakes.net</a><!-- e -->  \r\n     Spent friday &amp;amp; sat at the caro show and had a super time!  too bad it had to end, but ya gotta work to buy the toys......<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','1gpuqlve',1,0,'',288,0,0),(1182,313,1,111,0,'12.87.24.179',1060696355,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jeff.davis','&#039;41 Oliver 70 brass engine s/n tag paint','Hi \r\nDoes anyone have information on how the brass serial number tag rivited to the engine came painted (or plain) from the factory?   Are the raised parts hilighted in black paint? Any colors??\r\n\r\n Mine is just showing brass, and no sign of paint.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nJeff\r\n<!-- s:cool: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\":cool:\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s:cool: -->\r\n\r\n[Edited on 8-12-2003 by jeff.davis]\n\n[Edited on 8-13-2003 by jeff.davis]','',0,'','zrlf0y3x',1,0,'',111,0,0),(1183,313,1,257,0,'63.185.224.115',1060706805,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tip','','Mine is painted - looks original, but I am not absolutely sure.','',0,'','2ibvaimi',1,0,'',257,0,0),(1184,313,1,96,0,'216.201.29.17',1060723717,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Brass tag','Helped a friend last night with his 37 which is about 90+% original. The tag is brass.','',0,'','1fovmo2z',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1185,307,1,292,0,'32.100.31.210',1060772771,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Ironman','283 Gas Oil Pressure','I&#039;m surprised John hasn&#039;t replied.\r\n\r\nOn a 283 Gas, the only items under full oil pressure is the main oil gallery down the side of the block, the main bearings, the oil filter, and the Main Gallery bypass.  Rod Bearings catch oil and are not pressurized, rocker arms, cam, and timing gears are supposed to be intermittent.  I recommend, if you haven&#039;t already done so, use another gauge and check the pressure directly of the blocks main gallery.  There are little pipe plugs all down the gallery.\r\n\r\nIf the clearance is correct on the mains, and the pump was in good shape, then it could only be a few things.  One is the bypass valve on the main oil gallery.  Normally, it&#039;s at the front of the engine.  Two, oil filter is restricted, three, did you leave a rag in the pan?  It happens....\r\n\r\nAre you measuring oil pressure off the main gallery near the rear of the block?  What was the pressure before you rebuilt the engine?  What were the main bearing clearances?  Did you dissassemble the oil pump?  How did the oil pump fit into the distributor/oil pump bore where it mounts?\r\n\r\nThere is a lot of questions to narrow down your search but we need a little more info.','',0,'','1h4h1r9d',1,0,'',292,0,0),(1186,303,3,283,0,'131.125.24.53',1060783241,1,0,1,0,1,0,'dennisq','','thanks\r\n\r\ndennis quinn','',0,'','34rwyoj4',1,0,'',283,0,0),(1187,307,1,96,0,'216.201.29.199',1060811428,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Oil pressure','This is a 283 diesel. Anyhow 283 gas engines also have pressure lubed rods I think you are thinking 265. Anyhow anything with 7 mains has pressure fed rods. I need to punt for a little bit because he has a replacement block with out the plunger (pressure regulator valve in the front. I never worked on one of those. I have a bulletin on that but I have all that information stored until this winter I hope.I still think the thing to do is take the pan off get a leak detector and see what is going on.','',0,'','18qmfsez',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1188,314,1,254,0,'216.37.157.112',1060821707,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','Oliver 520square baller and406 feed grinder','I found a oliver 520 square baler and a 406 feed grinder. the grinder is in good shape and works . the baler is missing some parts  like the pto shaft from the tractor to the baler and part of the kicker . the guy that has them it intrested in selling them  i have the s# if u need them .\r\nGreg','',0,'','19mfydlz',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1190,226,1,238,0,'64.12.96.166',1060894945,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','<!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->\r\nWhat&#039;s the old saying????\r\nanything with t--&#039;s or wheels is sure to give a man problems sometime or another!!!!','',0,'','39d1foz1',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1191,315,1,293,0,'216.16.91.235',1060963395,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jefflamb','1600 oliver won&#039;t stay running','my 1600 gas does not stay running. it seems like as soon as you put a load on it she spits and sputters then kills. i have cleaned the whole fuel system many times. I&#039;m beginning to think it may be electrical. does anyone have some suggestions? thanks jeff','',0,'','21dbp8z8',1,0,'',293,0,0),(1192,315,1,96,0,'216.201.29.39',1061074850,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','1600','Explain how you cleaned the fuel system. Is this an early or late 1600? (serial number please) Have you checked anything electrical. Check your U2U e-mail','',0,'','be6nh41r',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1193,199,1,296,0,'216.106.42.72',1061085697,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bob','','Is loader still available ?','',0,'','34a4wcmt',1,0,'',296,0,0),(1194,292,1,297,0,'12.165.173.76',1061086262,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','4240 plow','If your plow has a cast tail wheel lift lever (the one that actually pushed on the tailwheel) you should have green frame and wheels. If you have a fabricated lever then white wheel are correct. I&#039;m looking at a piece of literature dated &#039;55 and it matches my cast lever, I&#039;ve had a couple with the later lever and they had the white wheels.','',0,'','3j6vmuj0',1,0,'',297,0,0),(1195,316,5,297,0,'12.165.173.76',1061086727,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','Member ID no.','I&#039;ve luked this site a few times, but never registered before. I was wondering why it didn&#039;t ask for my member number in the registration, or did I just miss it? 1414 btw.','',0,'','2bflgkch',1,0,'',297,0,0),(1197,307,1,287,0,'152.163.252.3',1061144086,1,0,1,1,1,0,'James C.','Oil presure','John I sent you information.Check our email !','',0,'','y9jg1n0x',1,0,'',287,0,0),(1198,316,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.148',1061165543,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','The forum is set up to allow anyone to post, once they have registered. There wasn&#039;t much need to require the member number with this set up. You can add it in your profile if you would like.','',0,'','1dszzzhy',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1200,315,1,293,0,'216.16.91.235',1061217581,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jefflamb','1600 won&#039;t stay running','my email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:lambjj@rrcnet.org\">lambjj@rrcnet.org</a><!-- e -->. the 1600 does have a mallory distributor. there is no debris restricting the gas flow to the carb, it has been check and cleaned several times.','',0,'','1dsx0w12',1,0,'',293,0,0),(1201,318,1,181,0,'128.104.198.49',1061230461,1,0,1,1,1,0,'TJM','77 colors?','I&#039;ve seen a couple 77s with white grills.  Did any come that way, or are they just mistaken repaint jobs?','',0,'','1os4exkr',1,0,'',181,0,0),(1202,318,1,35,0,'67.32.85.145',1061243670,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','grill','The white grills didn&#039;t come along until the 3 digit series 660, 770 etc. The hood should be yellow and the wheels red on the 77.','',0,'','1zzuqpko',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1203,319,1,81,0,'192.100.4.55',1061245548,1,0,1,0,1,0,'ahk3','MODEL 11 SPREADER','I am looking for an Oliver Model 11 Spreader in restored or restorable condition. Can anyone help?','',0,'','1qyk1284',1,0,'',81,0,0),(1204,318,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1061303769,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Hey Frank you are gonna kick yourself when you reread your post, but the hoods are green buddy.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> The grilles are yellow tho','',0,'','3p4tg2tn',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1205,318,1,35,0,'67.32.85.145',1061326551,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','grill','Yep!\r\nI have just tried to kick myself for giving totally worthless information. You got to watch me because next time I may tell someone that  in 1937 there was a red Oliver with aluminum trim!:(:(:(','',0,'','mkjfqugp',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1206,307,1,12,0,'209.240.212.236',1061334031,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Leak detector?','John S. what kind of leak detector are you talking about using to check low oil pressure? Just curious, WB.','',0,'','2y32hk3z',1,0,'',12,0,0),(1207,307,1,96,0,'216.201.29.208',1061345276,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Leak detector','I had made one out of an small R-12 tank. I would put about 2 or 3 quart of ATF in it. I also had a line that would plug into the main oil gallery and then I would apply air pressure equal to low engine oil pressure and with the pan off and a good trusty light I would see where I had abnormal leaks. The red oil is fairly easy to see and I always figgured it was a bout the thickness of hot engine oil','',0,'','2v1deuyf',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1208,307,1,12,0,'209.240.212.236',1061426763,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','','That makes good sense, thin oil and colored at the same time! I had not had a need to look for excessive oil leakage before. Sounds like that would work well. Thanks, WB.','',0,'','36mw8b7a',1,0,'',12,0,0),(1209,320,3,7,0,'152.163.252.1',1061433383,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Hats, buttons and other stuff','Thought I&#039;d cover a bunch of stuff in one shot. We have the stylish hats with the Super 55 Oliver on them that were left from the summer show at Penfield. $8 per hat, I think I can get 3 of them in a USPS Priority box for $5.  I also have the show buttons available if anyone wants 1 or more, I haven&#039;t tried to check out how to ship them yet. \r\n\r\nSherry....How about an update on the #3 models.... I can&#039;t wait.\r\n\r\nAlso, check out our web page for a tractor drive and field work before the Farm Progress Show at Henning, IL. <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.antiquefarm.org\">http://www.antiquefarm.org</a><!-- m -->\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'','ni8j1trg',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1210,307,1,287,0,'205.188.209.16',1061435711,1,0,1,1,1,0,'James C.','283 oil pressure','Sorrry folks I didn&#039;t get back and give you more details. John knew about this before my post. I&#039;ll post more later just got in.','',0,'','3rf2f79k',1,0,'',287,0,0),(1211,320,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1061471612,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Hey John, you dont have a picture of the hat do you?  I didnt make it to the show this year.','',0,'','2f7t0hgw',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1212,320,3,7,0,'64.12.96.166',1061496369,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Hat Picture','No, I don&#039;t have a picture, but I suppose I could try to whip one up. John','',0,'','30ohewuu',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1213,321,1,299,0,'65.66.141.185',1061499715,1,0,1,0,1,0,'Steve Mertensmeyer','Nichols &amp; Shepard Building in KC','Does anyone have any information on the Nichols &amp;amp; Shepard building in Kansas City in the West Bottoms on Hickory St.??  What about the Oliver building next door to N&amp;amp;S ???  What activities did these branch houses serve??  Who were the architects? Anything and everything??','',0,'','rafccmhp',1,0,'',299,0,0),(1214,320,3,35,0,'67.32.85.196',1061586799,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','hats','John\r\n\r\nPlease give address for hats. I assume the shipping will be $5.00 for one hat.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','2pax1ogs',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1215,320,3,7,0,'63.250.73.168',1061601134,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Hat Pic...Hopefully','&amp;lt;img src=&amp;quot;http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/3bec6b8/bc/My+Photos/__hr_Oliver+Hats.jpg?bceKsR_AdIYKyust&amp;quot;&amp;gt; Make check or money order payable to I&amp;amp;I Antique Tractor &amp;amp; Gas Engine Club and send to me.\r\n\r\nJohn W. Schweizer\r\n159N 2540E\r\nRankin, IL 60960\r\n\r\n$8 per hat, up to 3 hats per shippment for $5 USPS Priority Mail.\r\n\r\nThe Fishing hats are sized S, M, L &amp;amp; XL.  \n\n[Edited on 23-8-2003 by John (C-IL)]','',0,'','104o1x0c',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1216,322,1,300,0,'64.33.183.76',1061601730,1,0,1,1,1,0,'smalltownisolation1','Largest Oliver Gas Tractor','What was the largest gas tractor that oliver/White ever produced Horsepower wise?','',0,'','eplzjcon',1,0,'',300,0,0),(1217,322,1,35,0,'67.32.85.196',1061603284,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Oliver gas','I think the largest gas model was the 1800 series with a 310 ci engine producing 92 hp.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','fi0jei2o',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1218,323,1,144,0,'169.207.138.28',1061687335,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','770 wheatland','Just aquired a real nice original 770 wheatland, gas. according to the serial number its a 1961,  it has the keystone decals on it but it has the oval oliver  on the front. what year did they start with the newer decals.','',0,'','1ez2c7bk',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1219,304,1,302,0,'68.34.173.210',1061689148,1,0,1,1,1,0,'OHPRC70','It&#039;s not for sale','My grandfather&#039;s HG is not for sale. \r\n\r\nIt is sitting in the showroom of Tallman Supply Co. under the care of my Uncle Rob Tallman.  \r\n\r\nAs a family, we have a strong attachement to my grandfather&#039;s work and passion.  We also have a love of the Olivers.  My sons are already attached to the Oliver mystic and through them we hope to bring another generation into the Oliver family.\r\n\r\nBest Regards,\r\nEric Reibsane','',0,'','2aayomy0',1,0,'',302,0,0),(1220,323,1,96,0,'216.201.29.114',1061690670,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','770','No doubt the decals are black, We got in an 880 in early 61 that had the black decals. Also the back side shields do not have the indentation in them either. What color is the oval Oliver in the front. You forget things in 40 years, but I thought the keystone came out in about 62.','',0,'','9bkl1ash',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1221,323,1,144,0,'169.207.130.33',1061729753,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','770','the oval on the front is red.','',0,'','3ck1td1r',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1222,323,1,35,0,'65.82.175.182',1061731949,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','770','According to Larry Gays book [i:1p3a4hy4]A GUIDE TO HART-PARR, OLIVER AND WHITE FARM TRACTORS[/i:1p3a4hy4] the 770 was changed in 1964.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'IA==','1p3a4hy4',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1223,323,1,96,0,'216.201.29.197',1061749176,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','770 Decal','Frank. I think you and I are talking about two differet styles of decals.The first ones were white. They were used untill late 60 early 61 if memory serves me correctly. The oval emblem was also green. Then the black, small block letter type decals and the smooth rear hood sides were introduced. This is probably when they started with the red oval in the grill. Then you have the Cockshutt type decals. The first tractors we had the Cockshutt decals were the new B model 1800&#039;s in the fall of 62. They do not say Oliver diesel on the manifolds either. Don&#039;t forget the later 770&#039;s do not Say Oliver Rowcrop on the axles either.','',0,'IA==','3n889a1z',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1224,323,1,96,0,'216.201.29.45',1061759893,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','770 Decal','Frank: I am probably the only one who has this problem, but once you are over 40 you forget things. I don&#039;t remember all the details on this but in the winter of 63, (now if I was not 40 I would not remember that) when the Columbus branch had their dealer thing for the new products for 1964 they announced the new look for the 770 and 550 (Checkboard grills, etc.) They also anounced if you had a tractor(s) in your inventory and you wanted to update them they would have kits with the new grills available. I do not know if the Cockshutt sides went with the 770 kit or not. We did not have any in inventory. Therefore we never got any kits. So I will go along with Larry&#039;s statement on the change for 64. This also explains why some older 770 and 550 tractors have the new style grill.','',0,'IA==','yw2yakrk',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1225,323,1,35,0,'65.82.175.182',1061771465,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','style change','John, I can relate to the memory problem. I am in the 50+ age range. This summer I was in an accident loading a garden tractor and sustained a serious head injury and had cob webs for several weeks. I now have an excuse for being absent minded. I too have seen early models of the 550 with the fiberglass grill.\r\nOn another subject, who manufactured hay conditioners for Oliver in the early 60&#039;s? If memory serves me correctly we had several problems with them.','',0,'IA==','1497pfoh',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1226,323,1,96,0,'216.201.29.207',1061773709,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Hay conditioners','Are you talking mower conditioners like the 437 which became the improved 438 and the 129 which they did buy. I always though Shebyville made the first 2 and Owatonna made the 129. On that related topic where you helped the guy with his serial number and you mentioned no production, (77 Standards) are you sure on that because 53 &amp;amp; 54 production is all in the other style serial number range. I have seen 77 industrials that fit in that group. On the 1250 I think what you are refering to is the gas version which Oliver insisted on. We sold about a dozen of them for loader tractors. Once they got the carburetor fixed for American gas they were O. K. We were always told that some of that data came about because Cockshutt had the 411 over in Canada. That is the trouble with 40 year old imported stuff, With power steering they handle nice. The 500 gas had the same problem at least they had to rework those carburetors too.','',0,'IA==','1mxtdvvv',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1227,324,1,303,0,'63.168.203.150',1061851435,1,0,1,1,1,0,'R_Leonard','Oliver signs for sale','I have some old Oliver signs that have never been installed. There are 2 smaller signs in the origional waxed paper packing. One has been taken out for photographing, and the link is <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.advant.com/users/rleonard/Metal%20Signs/DSC00094.JPG\">http://www.advant.com/users/rleonard/Me ... C00094.JPG</a><!-- m -->\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.advant.com/users/rleonard/Metal%20Signs/DSC00095.JPG\">http://www.advant.com/users/rleonard/Me ... C00095.JPG</a><!-- m -->\r\nThese are $250 each or $400 for the pair.\r\n\r\n\r\nI also have one pair of OLIVER Signs that are about 2.5 ft X 10 ft long. These are embossed metal and are still banded together just as they arrived. They have never been unpacked or out in the weather! Links are here:\r\n\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.advant.com/users/rleonard/Metal%20Signs/DSC00113.JPG\">http://www.advant.com/users/rleonard/Me ... C00113.JPG</a><!-- m -->\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.advant.com/users/rleonard/Metal%20Signs/DSC00114.JPG\">http://www.advant.com/users/rleonard/Me ... C00114.JPG</a><!-- m -->\r\n\r\nThis is a great investment at $3500 OBO.\r\n\r\nI can be reached via email at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:rleonard@advant.com\">rleonard@advant.com</a><!-- e --> I will then send a phone number so we can discuss the details. They will be on Ebay if there is no interest here. I thought that the Oliver groups should have first preference.\r\n\r\nThank you,\r\n\r\nBob Leonard','',0,'IA==','2gbyeovk',1,0,'',303,0,0),(1228,322,1,142,0,'216.166.192.183',1061869071,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','I believe it was the 1850 that had the gas 310 waukesha at around 90 hp.  The 1800 gas was rated for only about 72 hp.','',0,'IA==','1zdn01cn',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1229,322,1,35,0,'65.82.175.182',1061939385,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','1850','You are absoutely correct in that the 1850 gasoline had the higest hp. I guess its old age. The 1850 gasoline was test number 875 at Nebraska and max. observed hp was 92.43 hp. This test was conducted in 1964 the first year for Oliver certified hp.','',0,'IA==','1y5hoyb5',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1230,322,1,297,0,'12.111.239.108',1061948713,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','','Depends on what you mean by gas, and Oliver. The 2455 (A4T1400 MM) was available in LP gas, as opposed to DIESEL. I&#039;m not if the 2655 (A4T1600 MM) was available in LP or not.','',0,'IA==','36tedh62',1,0,'',297,0,0),(1231,322,1,96,0,'216.201.29.176',1061949680,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','A-4T','There is another thought. I would need to look but some of those 585 engines were built in Charles City.  I do not know if the 504 or 800 engines were or not. I am not a Moline guy but we had 2 of those 1400 diesels  around with M &amp;amp; W Turbos from the factory when new! I guess the 800 engines in the A4T 1600 were special order.','',0,'IA==','2cui2sax',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1232,325,1,305,0,'209.107.193.1',1061952372,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Leo','Cockshutt Paint','Can someone help me with the correct paint code (white) for the Cockshutt 4 digit tractors? Thanks much.','',0,'IA==','ulipla1f',1,0,'',305,0,0),(1233,326,1,279,0,'216.248.107.204',1062039928,1,0,1,1,1,0,'zeke','supper 88 desiel no power','The tractor has rebuilt head,rebuilt injectors,electric fuel pump,injection pump checked set 10% over. Timed by the book lining up all marks. Can only get 44 hp on dyno 47 if disconnect oil bath. New fuel filters. Do not know what to do next, any ideas? Thanks Zeke:(','',0,'IA==','1ef0x6ds',1,0,'',279,0,0),(1234,326,1,96,0,'216.201.29.188',1062062293,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Timing an 88','Define timing by the book&amp;gt; Did you flow time it or line up the marks? Instead of fooling with flow timing, is to just advance the timing one set of holes and see where you are on Horse Power. You may even need to go two holes, But if all else fails you may need to flow time it. I had the degrees what moving it one hole figgured out once, but have forgoten that through the years. Also are you looking for horsepower or torque? 50 years ago they put out a bulletin on timing for torque instead of horsepower. I need to look it up, forgot what is in the bulletin. How good is the compression? How good is the dynometer? I also had a few that to get the preformanace I had to retard the timing one hole. Find out what all they did to the head. Ask them how good the tappet in the pump was. Fuel filters are new? How does it start cold? hot?','',0,'IA==','3bsusk7w',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1235,326,1,279,0,'206.72.3.231',1062070386,1,0,1,1,1,0,'zeke','88 no power','Timed by lining up marks. Looking for hp can hardly pull 3 16s in 2nd gear.The head was all rebuilt,They said the pump was the best they had seen.It starts really good cold or hot.Dont know anyone with compession tester. Yes fuel filters are new.','',0,'IA==','1bjdkz1i',1,0,'',279,0,0),(1236,326,1,297,0,'12.165.173.65',1062120913,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','','Did you check recession of valves, and put correct thickness head gasket on? If whoever did you head wasn&#039;t carefull they could have lowered your compression ratio. I&#039;ll have to dig in my fleetline service manual. If your pump was 180 deg out (easy to do with Bosch pump) it wouldn&#039;t come up to full rpm.','',0,'IA==','3gmk3wwu',1,0,'',297,0,0),(1237,327,5,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1062170852,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','Misc. Forum','I think the site needs a Miscellaneous Forum...or General Info, or something of that nature...for things that members might know about or want to ask about, but dont fit into a Oliver, Hart Parr, Cletrac forum...\r\n\r\nFor example...I work for Continental Tire North America which bought General Tire.  General used to make farm tires, and I thought it would be neat to have a set.  I think maybe some of the guys (and gals!) on this board might have seen a set in the weeds, or might have a set.\r\n\r\nAnd just because mine sounds like a wanted ad, doesnt mean that all would be that way.\r\n\r\nAnybody else think this could be beneficial?  Or should I just ask it in a different forum and stop being picky.','',0,'IA==','38221nav',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1238,328,1,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1062179051,1,0,1,1,1,1,'OliverEducation','Plow Info?','Anyone know anything about the Oliver walking plow No.33X?  It is suppose to be a steel beam plow, but the No. 33 plow I have found is only offered in wooden beam.  Any help/insights would be greatly appreciated!','',0,'IA==','22ufvp6b',1,0,'',259,0,0),(1239,327,5,35,0,'65.82.172.180',1062207157,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Misc','Lugmatic\r\n\r\nI agree that a misc. section would great. Since I also collect Oliver toys it would be nice to have an Oliver toy section. (buy, sell, swap, discuss) There has to be many Oliver toy collectors out there.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'IA==','284kvr1q',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1240,329,4,35,0,'65.82.172.180',1062212392,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Avery crawler?','There is a [b:13d94cq9]Text1937[/b:13d94cq9]1937 Cletrac HG on ebay that has Avery sheet metal and seat. The instrument cluster looks like Avery. It looks good. I know most Oliver experts say that Avery never sold any of the HGs under their name. I have seen two HGs with Avery sheet metal. Since Avery and Cletrac had a close relationship I wonder if some early HGs were sold as Avery. You can see the  HG crawler under crawlers. Before I get corrected I know the HG wasn&#039;t introduced until 1939 but 1937 was the description given.<!-- s:o --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif\" alt=\":o\" title=\"Surprised\" /><!-- s:o -->','',0,'QA==','13d94cq9',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1241,292,1,297,0,'12.165.173.141',1062229811,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','','Wrong again, sorta/kinda. Dug out my 4240 parts catalog, and it shows a fabricated lever with green wheels on the inside cover. I guess dismount a tire and look inside.','',0,'QA==','fb7bkzum',1,0,'',297,0,0),(1242,329,4,47,0,'65.238.36.49',1062282697,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Frank&#039;\r\nI have never heard of or seen an Avery crawler, that doesn&#039;t mean one never existed, but I would have my doubts. First thing, and you are old enough to remember it, a farmer didn&#039;t always concern himself with maintaining the originality of equipment, that was way down the list. Most of those Avery parts fit and worked well on a GG or HG, so it stands to reason, that farmer needed cheap parts for his tractor, went to the local boneyard, and got what fit. As a matter if fact, I have a HG in the shop that has an AC grill, maybe hood, I didn&#039;t look that closely because I am replacing the sheet metal anyhow.','',0,'QA==','1i9xxt5c',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1243,328,1,47,0,'65.238.36.49',1062282982,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','You should have &amp;quot;The Book of Oliver&#039; in your library. That is the premier reference for Oliver plows. You should look there.','',0,'QA==','2bajodq3',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1244,330,1,254,0,'216.37.157.162',1062377418,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','Plow?','How do you figer out what model plow . where is the serial # and model #.\r\nSlim20','',0,'QA==','2eghvywh',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1245,330,1,56,0,'216.138.55.104',1062411209,1,0,1,1,1,1,'oliver farmer','plow','well slim, here&#039;s my 2 cents worth. pictures, pictures, pictures. i have found that the old plows are very hard to identify. maybe you can describe it a little and someone can help.  is it on steel or rubber.  trip lift or use a cylinder?  on the newer ones there is a tag on the frame, but they are not always there anymore. good luck','',0,'QA==','wc9m9b7z',1,0,'',56,0,0),(1246,65,3,56,0,'216.138.55.104',1062412682,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliver farmer','helping to identify','hey oliver ed, this sounds like the start of a good thing. it also sounds just like what i, at least, have been looking for. are the records in some type of catagory, or are they all together and you would have to sort them out one at a time? where do we go from here? i would love to help, but can&#039;t do much good from here i don&#039;t think. i also thank you for coming forward with this type of information. lets get something started shall we? thanks again','',0,'QA==','mmyach15',1,0,'',56,0,0),(1247,330,1,254,0,'216.37.157.171',1062429044,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','plow?','Well it is on rubber it has a hyd lift and a hand lift it is a three bottom plow i don&#039;t think it is a trip plow . would a diesel 88 pull a 3 bottom plow ?my cusin pulled with a farmall M but it was hard on it .he paid 375 for it . they are hard to find around hear i am looking for a set like his but i am not paying 375 for them .around thanksgiving i am going to see some friends in Il.I was thinking fo buying some ands bringing them home if i could find a few pair of them can any one help?\r\nSlim20','',0,'QA==','2qfvjqp8',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1248,326,1,254,0,'216.37.157.171',1062429917,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','super 88 no power','Acording to some of my books a super 88 diesel was 56 hp on the pto . and if you have a hyd on it that will take some power away .and have you done any work to the engin . like pistons and rings . it would not hurt to have some one esl double check the timing .it took my  few days of ad.to get my 88 right .And on my 88  when it runs the best not all the marks are lined up . thry this put the crank on the fp mark .then the marked tooth under the timing windo on the pump should be one tooth off twards the rear of the tractor .that is how my 88 is and runs good . i hope this will help you .\r\nSlim20','',0,'QA==','1gsj8z6c',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1249,322,1,254,0,'216.37.157.171',1062430375,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','bigest oliver gas','In a book i found it has  1870 with a MM gas that is 97 hp on the pto  it is 425 cid. . and weights about 10,550 . 18 foward gers and 6 rev. biult from 1973 to 1974 sold new for $10,400.Diesel was a option and had 98 hp and sold for $11,000\r\nSlim20','',0,'QA==','17qwis70',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1250,322,1,254,0,'216.37.157.171',1062430572,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','bigest oliver gas','I found  the 1950 riceland and wheat land had a gas 4cyl gm gas at 105.2 onthe pto .praduce between 1967 to 69.\r\nSlim20','',0,'QA==','19rta1ks',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1251,322,1,254,0,'216.37.157.171',1062430721,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','largest oliver gas','The 2655 was avalabel in lpg it was about 143 hp \r\nSlim20','',0,'QA==','bkln4be6',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1252,326,1,96,0,'216.201.29.77',1062444219,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Pump timing','Slim: &amp;amp;  ZekeThe tooth is to be one tooth past the mark. Lining up that marked tooth with the mark is for pump disassembly. It should be one tooth past. Zeke:I still would try to advace the timing one tooth or FLOW TIME IT. period.','',0,'QA==','3upu113j',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1253,326,1,47,0,'65.238.36.252',1062470188,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey guys,\r\nPay close attention to what John tells you. When it comes to Fleetlines and later he knows of what he speaks.','',0,'QA==','3u1daut6',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1254,331,3,12,0,'209.240.212.237',1062532589,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','HPOCA Magazine','I recieved my new HPOCA magazine in the mail today! Full of great pictures and coverage of the Summer show. I also got my 8x10 photo that will be in the show book. That book will be something to see with nearly 500 tractors and a spread on Old #3. WB.','',0,'QA==','1ckakbxm',1,0,'',12,0,0),(1255,332,1,140,0,'216.95.136.84',1062561714,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverorchard','2 Furrow Walking Plow','Can anyone tell me about a 2 furrow Cockshutt horse drawn walking plow as to when they were made and is there any around. A neighbor has one and wants to sell it.  What would be a fair price for it.\r\n\r\n Thanks:)','',0,'QA==','1k46snkr',1,0,'',140,0,0),(1256,328,1,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1062600387,1,0,1,1,1,1,'OliverEducation','','Thanks Andy!  I found it!','',0,'QA==','17a6g6jn',1,0,'',259,0,0),(1257,330,1,297,0,'12.165.173.238',1062631966,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','','If it&#039;s a hydraulic lift it&#039;s probably a 4240 or 4340, most 100 Plowmasters were rooster comb lift. Go to Oliver Gangs web site and look at Chris Loseys posts and pictures. If the 3rd bottom turns over the wheel track of the land wheel it&#039;s a 4240, if the land wheel is beyond the cut of the 3rd bottom it&#039;s a 4340. Both do an exellent job. You can probably get manuals from the Floyd County Museum.','',0,'QA==','1mkqwe9x',1,0,'',297,0,0),(1258,132,5,309,0,'64.91.162.167',1062637289,1,0,1,0,1,0,'chazman','classified','great idea. when?','',0,'QA==','1uzrd52y',1,0,'',309,0,0),(1259,330,1,35,0,'65.82.174.61',1062638684,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','plowmaster 100','We owned a plowmaster 100 2btm plow that had a hydraulic lift. I think it was a 51 model since it was red with green wheels. It was 14&amp;quot; bottoms. We pulled it with a 77 in hard clay. The plow was one of the best plowing machines made. We also pulled a 3 btm. rooster comb plow (14&amp;quot; bottoms) with a 88 and a 2btm rooster comb plow (12&amp;quot; bottoms) with a 66. The 100 hydraulic out plowed them both.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','35qy8oi3',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1260,329,4,35,0,'65.82.174.61',1062641032,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Avery','Hello Andy\r\n\r\nBeen to the great state lately, sorry I had to run the the other day. There is a guy by the name of Leroy that is posting on Yesterdays Tractor forum in the crawler discussion forum that says he has pictures and advertising brochures of a Cletrac HG Avery crawler. There are several comments some backing him and others saying it was only a change in sheet metal. Nobody has said anything about the brochures.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','2pi7um6m',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1261,331,3,7,0,'64.12.96.166',1062645291,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Dog gone you guys','Now I&#039;m gonna get my hat bent all out of shape looking in the mailbox for MY copy! With all of the rain we had last week the bridges are all washed out and the mailman will have to deliver mine by swamp buggy.<!-- s:o --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif\" alt=\":o\" title=\"Surprised\" /><!-- s:o -->','',0,'QA==','1cg9f26k',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1262,331,3,35,0,'65.82.174.61',1062646557,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Magazine','John\r\n\r\nSame with me thought about the magazine all day. Got home &amp;amp; ran to the mail box and disappointment. I did get a sales brochure for the new line of utility tractors from Agco. I guess I will read it since it has an article about Lyle Dumont. Sure wish I get tomorrow.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'QA==','3hj1ow94',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1263,331,3,56,0,'216.138.55.73',1062664772,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliver farmer','magazine','hey frank i don&#039;t have mine either yet. and i don&#039;t get anything from agco. guess i&#039;ll start in on my owners manual file again.<!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->','',0,'QA==','3ck70eep',1,0,'',56,0,0),(1264,331,3,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1062677088,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','got mine yesterday and couldn&#039;t go to bed till I read it from cover to cover.  Read the letters from Darius Harms and John Schweizer.  I would like to say to both of them &amp;quot;good work guys&amp;quot;.\r\nTheir work and help setting up displays  were a big part of the success of the show.  \r\nJohn was very helpful to me with the planning and setup of the Williams mill and Oliver 70.  Hope to see many of you again at the Farm Progress Show.\r\n\r\nKeith','',0,'QA==','2ubantlx',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1265,332,1,96,0,'216.201.29.95',1062719311,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','2 bottom Cockshutt Plow','There was one at Milton last week at the Cockshutt show. There was also a three bottom walking plow on the otherside of the tent. We measured the width of cut and it was 10&#039; as near as we could tell. I think I know who the owner of the two bottom is and I can probably come up with an e-mail address. One other thing I noticed there were two later Cockshutt as in Oliver built plows. Both were set on 14 inch I think, but they all used 12 inch points. Makes them look a little different than what I was used too','',0,'QA==','34vfame8',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1266,329,4,96,0,'216.201.29.218',1062727448,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Avery Crawler','Frank\r\nWhy don&#039;t you contact the guy and ask to buy a photo copy of the literature. If he sells it to you you can establish what is true and what is not. By the way I seen some literature for a larger Cletrac this winter and showed the new HG. It was dated 1938 on the back. Also the indiana Farm Beaur sold cletracs in the early 40&#039;s. Were they  Red like the General tractors?','',0,'QA==','3gz34fex',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1267,329,4,35,0,'65.82.174.61',1062729009,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','avery','John\r\n\r\nThat is a good idea, I will get in touch tonight. I have a friend that told me today that he had seen some Avery crawler literature. I didn&#039;t know that Farm Bureau sold crawlers in the 40&#039;s. There is a fellow that shows a HG with MM sheet metal and you would be convinced it is original. If I get the literature I will post.','',0,'QA==','1qwge0sx',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1268,331,3,35,0,'65.82.174.61',1062795058,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Magazine','[b:19qs1hrx]All is not well![/b:19qs1hrx]Did not receive my magazine today. [b:19qs1hrx]WHERE IS MY MAGAZINE![/b:19qs1hrx]:(:(','',0,'QA==','19qs1hrx',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1270,327,5,47,0,'65.238.36.208',1062846936,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Oh, now we are to turn the HPOCA website into &#039;everything Ebay&#039;? This site is dedicated to all things of the Oliver line, I prefer it stay that way, otherwise I will have to go thru pages of flea market junk, just to find something Oliver.','',0,'QA==','1qfo353k',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1272,332,1,96,0,'216.201.29.176',1062864325,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Plow','Orchard: Check your U2U box','',0,'QA==','23xgtaaf',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1273,327,5,35,0,'65.82.174.61',1062894920,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','misc.','Andy\r\n\r\nDon&#039;t strip a gear. I agree that this board is HPOCA and should stay that way however I think it would be nice to have a misc. section such as we have Cletrac etc. I collect Oliver toys and I know some members have no interest but some do therefore a misc section would fit that bill. Also,this could be set as a member want ad section  for buying and selling Oliver related items.  I have used  ebay (toys) but we know some of the people selling on ebay are as shady as a willow. I had much rather buy and trade on a forum such as this where we know most of the people. Again this service would be for members only. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','2qkg6fqt',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1274,331,3,35,0,'65.82.174.61',1062899140,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Magazine','Another disappointing day since I didn&#039;t receive the magazine today. Even checked if my wife had forgotten to renew but I am good through most of 2004. Any body else haven&#039;t received theirs yet? Ihave resorted to pulling old issue and rereading them.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'QA==','l5c3st18',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1275,331,3,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1062927443,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','Frank, you are becoming like a drug addict.  can&#039;t wait for the next fix... well this one may not be as harmful as their habit.  If my daughters started collecting old tractors I don&#039;t think I woud be nearly as upset as if I found them doing drugs... but I would expect them to share the tractors with me.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  Hope you get it soon.','',0,'QA==','sti2a270',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1276,327,5,47,0,'65.238.36.3',1062943539,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Frank,\r\nThis idea reminds me of Mohammad and his camel. One cold desert night, Mo was in his warm tent. His camel was out in the cold, and told Mo, Hey Mo, you&#039;re a good ol&#039; boy, why don&#039;t you let me put my nose in the tent, so it can be warm. Mo feeling sorry for the camel said OK. Next thing you know, the camel had his head in, then neck, then hump, then all of the camel was in and Mo had been pushed out into the cold, cold, desert. $30 dues is really not much of a deterrent to those shady types, they would get that back real quick. Now, can you see my point? I don&#039;t strip gears, but you ought to see me blow a gasket when my brother puts water in perfectly good whiskey. Like my whiskey, I take my Olivers straight up!!!','',0,'QA==','zss857sc',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1277,327,5,47,0,'65.238.36.3',1062944266,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Frank,\r\nAn excellent alternative to a forum of this type is already in place. It is our classified ads, in the magazine. With this we can have some control over the shady types. Sherry would never knowingly let those of less than reputable character sell item in our magazine. She does a good job screening the ads, and has a decent knowledge of who to not let in, Why don&#039;t you put an ad in to buy toys? You get a limited ad with your dues.','',0,'QA==','4p5fjorh',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1278,331,3,47,0,'65.238.36.3',1062944981,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I got mine yesterday. It was in my PO Box, which means it came last week some time. I liked the story Sherry told about her adventure, and I liked the story about Jim Muhs. I have mentioned in the past that members had expressed a wish for more content in the magazine, I believe this meets their wish. One thing I see missing is chapter events coverage, I like to see what the various chapters are up to. But, over all, Frank had a right to get a jones for his magazine!!!','',0,'QA==','2potuha9',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1279,334,1,140,0,'216.95.136.62',1062952208,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverorchard','Cotton Picker','Does anyone know where I could find an Oliver Picker/ planter that works and is restorable?\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'QA==','3n82ieq9',1,0,'',140,0,0),(1280,327,5,35,0,'65.82.174.61',1062971838,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','misc','Andy\r\n\r\nYou may be right however I want things to happen faster than every other month and as slow as my magazine is coming everybody will have looked at the ads several weeks before me.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'QA==','2aambw3n',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1281,331,3,7,0,'205.188.209.16',1062979646,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','I left home for the weekend','You know, the old &amp;quot;watched pot never boils&amp;quot; thing. It&#039;s you and me Frank, no mag here either, and a guy in town I know got his last Tuesday! Maybe we should quit wasting paper and just put the thing on line!:D','',0,'QA==','zc3sigsz',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1282,335,1,5,0,'216.166.192.234',1063021676,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Hydra-Power','What is the proper fluid to use in a Hydra-Power drive unit in an 1800? Just purchased it and want to make sure it is full before I drive it home. Thanks','',0,'QA==','2do3bj14',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1283,336,1,310,0,'199.45.178.37',1063027458,1,0,1,1,1,0,'88diesel','HG Crawler','I need to know what year my HG crawler is. The numbers on the tag are 15 IXK3 3-1/ 8\r\nXY 240 2831 008 006. thanks for any help. 88diesel','',0,'QA==','2pz8lmhq',1,0,'',310,0,0),(1284,296,1,111,0,'217.79.115.35',1063046910,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jeff.davis','Oliver 70 Service &amp; parts manuals','You can bid for both originals and reprints  on E-bay.  I got a nice original for about $30.','',0,'QA==','2rlycmqc',1,0,'',111,0,0),(1285,296,1,111,0,'217.79.115.35',1063047148,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jeff.davis','','Also  try Jensales Inc. (1-800-443-0625)  They sell reprints for the Oliver 70.  I found the printing quality of the service manual to be very good - the parts manual was less than good - buy an original parts manual on e-bay.   Also the I&amp;amp;T flat rate repair manual is a good suppliment for the Oliver factory service manual.','',0,'QA==','3nor8vmv',1,0,'',111,0,0),(1287,331,3,35,0,'65.82.174.61',1063069011,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','magazine','[b:3m6o0e3y]ALL IS WELL RECEIVED MY MAGAZINE TODAY!![/b:3m6o0e3y]:D:D','',0,'QA==','3m6o0e3y',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1288,331,3,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1063070753,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','Well,  We won&#039;t be seeing Frank post for a while  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','3gdc06sb',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1289,331,3,7,0,'64.12.96.166',1063072252,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','THE EAGLE HAS LANDED!!!!!','Magazine arrived today. Gave it the quick once over, if that issue doesn&#039;t crank up some enthusiasm the HartParr and Oliver collectors are comatose! \r\n\r\nFrank, once again the &amp;quot;squeaky wheels&amp;quot; get the grease. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->:D','',0,'QA==','2ycuwmet',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1290,335,1,82,0,'216.106.56.111',1063080739,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','','The manual calls for type A transmission fluid.  I put regular Dexron-Mercon Automatic transmission fluid in my 1800.  It replaced the type A fluid I think.','',0,'QA==','186bsoi6',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1291,336,1,35,0,'65.82.174.61',1063151636,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','hg','I don&#039;t know the exact year but I know it is prior to 49. I owned a 49 that had the IXB-3 engine that was a later engine. You might want to go to <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.cletrac.org\">www.cletrac.org</a><!-- w --> or phone Landis Zimmerman at 717-738-2573. Both can identify.','',0,'QA==','2912tk1x',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1292,338,1,257,0,'24.199.116.250',1063156782,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tip','Oliver Plow Book','Oliver published a &amp;quot;Plow Book&amp;quot; for many years.  The Floyd County Museum doesn&#039;t carry it - anyone know where to obtain a reprint or copy?\r\n\r\nThanks, Tip','',0,'QA==','1atb7h01',1,0,'',257,0,0),(1293,338,1,26,0,'216.176.90.16',1063167343,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','Plow Book','Tip,\r\nI have an original Oliver Plow Book that was printed in 1920.  It&#039;s got 200 pages though.  Is that the one you&#039;re looking for?  There was another book called &amp;quot;Better Plowing&amp;quot;.  It was a little later though and had 82 pages.','',0,'QA==','191shc75',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1294,172,5,40,0,'205.188.209.16',1063182057,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','Club Bylaws','Does anyone have any idea when the bylaws will be posted on line?','',0,'QA==','3r2zwigv',1,0,'',40,0,0),(1295,338,1,257,0,'24.199.116.250',1063195297,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tip','Plow','That is exactly what I&#039;m looking for.  I believe they printed if for many years....\r\n\r\nRegards, Tip','',0,'QA==','szltk6hd',1,0,'',257,0,0),(1296,339,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1063205588,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Tractor Drive and Field Work','September 20, 2003 there will be a tractor drive beginning at the I&amp;amp;I showgrounds and traveling about 18 miles to the site of the Farm Progress Show near Henning, IL. Also, there will be fieldwork using period equipment to harvest and till the ground in an attempt to recreate the farm progress show that began 50 years ago. Check out the info at: <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.antiquefarm.org\">http://www.antiquefarm.org</a><!-- m -->','',0,'QA==','3ou6q8s6',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1297,340,1,311,0,'64.12.96.106',1063326667,1,0,1,1,1,0,'greg','620 baler','i need to find pick up teeth for my 620 baler  anyone know where i can find some? thanks','',0,'QA==','he01odwd',1,0,'',311,0,0),(1298,340,1,297,0,'12.111.239.71',1063327264,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','','See if your local AGCO dealer has the Hesston contrtact also. The Hesston 4500 baler (the one before they went inline) was the Oliver 720 baler. I&#039;m assuming that you&#039;ve tried to get them thru AGCO/White and they are discontinued.','',0,'QA==','17bdg90k',1,0,'',297,0,0),(1299,341,1,311,0,'64.12.96.106',1063421610,1,0,1,1,1,0,'greg','620 baler','anyone know how to time a 620 baler ?','',0,'QA==','1kock8g7',1,0,'',311,0,0),(1300,172,5,47,0,'67.241.135.21',1063504095,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I don&#039;t! At Wentzville, MO, during the board meeting, the President ordered the webmaster to put them on the website. That was the last anyone heard about them. I suggest you address your concerns to Terry.','',0,'QA==','2hm197oo',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1301,336,1,47,0,'67.241.135.21',1063504742,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','Wrong tag','That is the engine #, the tag for the tractor should be on the frame or bell housing, most likely riveted to the frame, on the right frame rail, near the transmission housing. It should be one or two numbers followed by GA then 3 more numbers.','',0,'QA==','1w7ozdnf',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1302,342,1,56,0,'216.138.55.88',1063542025,1,0,1,1,1,1,'oliver farmer','playing in the dirt','spent yesterday at kevin westerhold&#039;s place where the hartland chapter had a &amp;quot;plow day&amp;quot;. it was like a bunch of kids in a new sand box. there was a HG-68, 77,super 77,770,super 88,880,super 99, and two 1750&#039;s. it was a blast and i think everone had a lot of fun, i know i did. just thought i would share it with you all.  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','31gdprqq',1,0,'',56,0,0),(1303,343,1,308,0,'66.59.103.231',1063570197,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Russ SCPA','Super 77','I wanted to try a picture here of &amp;quot;killer&amp;quot;.  Let&#039;s see if this works.  This is my Super 77 gasser, last dyno check was in 90 pto hp range.  Been known to do a little pulling in stock classes. \r\n&amp;lt;CENTER&amp;gt;\r\n&amp;lt;IMG SRC=&amp;quot;http://photos.imageevent.com/vprb/russmclucasalbum/websize/Oliver%20unloading%20corn%202002.jpg&amp;quot;&amp;gt;\r\n&amp;lt;/CENTER&amp;gt;','',0,'QA==','975l2k9w',1,0,'',308,0,0),(1304,343,1,142,0,'216.166.193.17',1063595283,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','super 77','Just curious what you did to &amp;quot;killer&amp;quot; there to get 90 hp out of it.','',0,'QA==','cq2dd3xl',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1305,343,1,308,0,'66.59.103.160',1063622566,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Russ SCPA','Engine mod&#039;s','Stuffed an 1850 gas engine in it.  I&#039;ll spec it all, but not right now. I need to be somewhere, NOW.','',0,'QA==','338kdlko',1,0,'',308,0,0),(1306,344,1,313,0,'65.42.184.231',1063639291,1,0,1,1,1,0,'mrwernet','1650 starter wiring','I&#039;m helping my brother restore a 1966 Oliver 1650 diesel whose wiring was botched up when the manifold &amp;amp; head was previously replaced with one eliminating the manifold &amp;quot;pre-heater&amp;quot; circuit and they,apparently, had trouble starting the tractor.  I need to know the color code/wiring set-up for the starter solenoid on a diesel as the service manual treats the electrical system very lightly and the schematic is very vague.  Thanks.','',0,'QA==','16vgn1w4',1,0,'',313,0,0),(1307,343,1,308,0,'66.59.103.219',1063670328,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Russ SCPA','Now I have some time','OK as per &amp;quot;what did we do&amp;quot;,  sleeves are out to accept a 4 inch piston, block had to be machined to accept them,  crank was &amp;quot;worked over&amp;quot;, to get a 4 inch stroke. I had a very good freind that built sprint car engines that wanted to make a &amp;quot;pulling engine&amp;quot; so I have no idea what was done to get a 4&amp;quot; crank with 4 mains into that block. RPM&#039;s are run at 2400 for pulling, it was necessary to cut block webbing some to have rod clearance and I fully expect to made a swiss cheese block everytime we pull it. We built this engine in March of 1977 to fit rules of local stock antique club, stock block, stock carb, (or pump on a diesel), intake and exhaust manifolds stock.\r\nWe were very successful until we had the &amp;quot;pleasure&amp;quot; of being torn down on track one evening. We were invited to never come back. Daughter got it as far as scales at a &amp;quot;show tractor&amp;quot; pull last Sept.  We were told we could show, put forget pulling. Some people have no sense of humor.\r\nIf you start with a Super 88 or Super 99 block it is much easier and a whole bunch cheaper to get &amp;quot;ponies&amp;quot;. \r\n&amp;quot;Killer&amp;quot; was so named because it is so &amp;quot;lovely&amp;quot; to steer.','',0,'QA==','2s42e79k',1,0,'',308,0,0),(1308,344,1,12,0,'209.240.212.249',1063675242,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','wiring diagram','The small post on the solenoid should have a pink wire that comes from the &amp;quot;s&amp;quot; post on the key switch and runs thru the neutral safety switch. A red wire on the battery post of the solenoid goes to the amp gauge. Hopes this helps, WB.','',0,'QA==','2y6gv4r5',1,0,'',12,0,0),(1309,345,1,35,0,'65.82.172.187',1063679571,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','U2U','What has happened to the U2U message board?\r\nJohn S. I tried to retrive your message but got cut off and can&#039;t get back to the message board.','',0,'QA==','1nftuajy',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1310,172,5,26,0,'216.176.90.14',1063681074,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','','Per my &amp;quot;orders&amp;quot;, I typed the by-laws in and had them ready to upload right after Wentzville.  However, due to the changes made in our membership office within the last year, the bylaws need ammended because they are not valid as they read now.  The last thing I want to do is post misleading information.  Therefore, the board was notified of my actions and I have not heard from them regarding this matter.  I assume they&#039;re waiting until the next board meeting so ammendments can be made and voted on.','',0,'QA==','3fsg42ma',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1311,343,1,142,0,'216.166.192.99',1063691791,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','I&#039;ve seen an 1800 motor in a 77, but I can&#039;t imagine the headache of putting an 1850 motor in there...As for pulling, I guess some people are just sore losers, so if they can&#039;t beat you they kick you out.','',0,'QA==','r1bje7sd',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1312,172,5,40,0,'205.188.209.16',1063714229,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Sherry:\r\n\r\nThanks for the information on the status of the by-laws on the web.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'QA==','71odw7z1',1,0,'',40,0,0),(1313,344,1,313,0,'65.42.184.231',1063718128,1,0,1,1,1,0,'mrwernet','','Thank you.  \r\nO.K., the manual schematic shows a green wire coming from the pre-heater switch, amp gauge to the manifold pre-heater and then over to the starter.  Is this part needed to operate?','',0,'QA==','3q39rtpa',1,0,'',313,0,0),(1314,345,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1063722453,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','How far back do you suspect it Frank?  Did you get my reply from the other day?  Just Wondering what kind of time frame we are looking at.','',0,'QA==','z12izur3',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1315,346,1,140,0,'216.95.136.130',1063742056,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverorchard','Spreader','Jon Witvoet please contact me @ <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:oliverorchard@hotmail.com\">oliverorchard@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->   I have tried to contact you at least 3 times.\r\n\r\n    Thanks','',0,'QA==','34qm5lrm',1,0,'',140,0,0),(1316,344,1,12,0,'209.240.212.249',1063753393,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','','The tractor will operate just fine without the preheater. The green wire is used to energize the preheater soleniod and is only &amp;quot;hot&amp;quot; when the switch is pushed. The other wire would be a larger gauge and is connected to the battery post of the starter and will be &amp;quot;hot&amp;quot; all the time. It should be removed or taped up to prevent a short. WB.','',0,'QA==','3lq2h1sr',1,0,'',12,0,0),(1317,347,3,5,0,'216.166.193.243',1063799341,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Farm Progress Show','Is anyone here going to the show? I&#039;ll be there on Wednesday. oleblu','',0,'QA==','38xgx61w',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1318,348,1,254,0,'216.37.132.122',1063841889,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','whanted 2 or 3 bottom oliver plow','I am looking for a 2 or 3 borttom plow made around 1953 . or somthing i can pull behind my 88 diesel . hope some one can help .\r\nSlim20','',0,'QA==','9qjhudpv',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1319,348,1,35,0,'67.32.84.98',1063848220,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','plow','Are you looking for a trailor or 3pt hitch. I know where there are 2 or 3 2btm Plowmasters in TN.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','1oyej1my',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1320,347,3,51,0,'205.188.209.16',1063853252,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Farm Progress Show','I will be there with my Tip Toe HP 70 and plow. Will plow at the I&amp;amp;I field on Monday.','',0,'QA==','11e5c8a3',1,0,'',51,0,0),(1321,347,3,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1063883792,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','My wife and I will be there on wednesday.','',0,'QA==','1axh0x4i',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1322,349,1,253,0,'65.205.150.10',1063889464,1,0,1,1,1,0,'lindley Clark','Super 88 Diesel','I have a tractor which according to serial number is a 1955 Super 88 diesel. This tractor has full louvered panels and red wheels. I am told that all Super 88s had cut out panels and green wheels. Can someone tell me which is correct before I paint this thing?','',0,'QA==','1bhp0mb1',1,0,'',253,0,0),(1323,349,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1063892677,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','OK here we go...all supers did indeed come with green wheels and open side panels.  The side panel design was kept due to the fact that the farmer no longer had to remove them to do minor repairs.  The wheels however are a different story.  Many customers were less than pleased with the all green and yellow paint scheme so many dealers painted the wheels red for them...I cant remember if the factory started painting them red again, but i dont think so.  I think it was just done at the dealership....If anyone else knows that part for sure correct me if I am wrong.\r\n\r\nNow as for your tractor, I would say that some one along the way put the side panels on it because they liked them better, and it could have had the red wheels all along.  Look at your frame and make sure it has the super style mounting plates and not the two holes....if it has the holes then thats why you have the louvers and the red, but then again no excuse for the serial #!  Oh well i am going to stop now.<!-- s;) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\";)\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s;) -->','',0,'QA==','358nfrw0',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1324,347,3,7,0,'64.12.96.166',1063934580,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Spent 2 hours today','with a news anchor (Matt Metcalf) and a cameraman filming some tractor feature stuff about changes from my 1937 AC WC to a 2003 McCormick and a few tractors inbetween. Also took some film of HartParr #3 and talked about it some. The stuff will be on the Morning show, Channel 3, mornings of the Farm Progress Show. Will be working while you guys are at the show, but at least 2 of my tractors will make an apppearance. Remember that the Half Century of Progress Show is Saturday and Sunday afternoons.','',0,'QA==','200agsei',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1325,347,3,51,0,'152.163.253.7',1064017728,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Farm Progress Show','Change of plans, going Saturday morning. Taking HP 70 Tiptoe, Ratchet lift plow and MM Z for the MM display. Delbert','',0,'QA==','3njiymdn',1,0,'',51,0,0),(1326,349,1,96,0,'216.201.29.124',1064100380,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Super&#039;s','1957 Super&#039;s have red wheels from the factory. The lid for the battery box cover is also held on with four screws and they have key start plus many other little improvements. What is the serial number of your tractor?','',0,'QA==','3a7ot98x',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1327,172,5,67,0,'64.6.2.129',1064105963,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Before the bylaws can be ammended, they will have to be submitted to the board for approval, and then voted on by the membership.  Everyone understands that bylaws are always a work in progress, and subject to continued change.  The bylaws as last voted on are valid and in effect until such time as they are voted on and changed.  There are a couple of areas, such as membership renewals and official address that will need to be updated, but the current bylaws are still in effect, and should be posted on the website as last approved.  Hope this will clear up some of the questions, and that we can get this resolved soon.  Terry.','',0,'QA==','2momandi',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1328,347,3,51,0,'152.163.253.7',1064109467,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Farm Progress Show Half Century of Progress','There was 210 to 217 tractors in the tractor drive. Hauled my tractors direct to the show grounds and got in the last part of the drive so stayed with them for about 10 miles. Activities started about noon. A huge amount of equipment showed up. Corn pickers picking corn, corn shelleres shelling the ear corn. Old combines cutting beans. An old large Case tractor hooked to an 8 bottum plow, and plowed around the field, a steam engine pulled the same plow a round or two. Now the good part I plowed several rounds with my HP 70 there was not another steel wheel tractor except the old Case. My 70 drew alot of attention and drew a lot of cameras. Really a fun day. Going back tomorrow. Delbert','',0,'QA==','mwcet827',1,0,'',51,0,0),(1329,172,5,47,0,'65.238.36.90',1064117810,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','For once I believe Terry and I agree. After researching Robert&#039;s Rules of Order, Newly Revised, 10th edition, it is apparent that changes of address are outside the scope of parliamentary law, and actually should be considered very minor issues, sort of like swallow a camel, gag on a gnat. In addition, bylaws should be considered current and valid until changed or amended, and ratified by the members of the society. As far as the issue is concerned to the language of the current bylaws, there is nothing that would prevent the President from simply ordering a change of address, in compliance of his duties under Article IV Section E, Paragraph 1, under &#039;perform other duties necessary to the HPOCA&#039;','',0,'QA==','3h39wg7w',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1330,347,3,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1064136521,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','I wish I could have been there,   but 200 miles is too far to drive very often and I have too much work here to leave for a week.   Wednesday will have to be my only day there.   Plan to leave home about 3am wednesday morning.    maybe we will see some of the friends we met at Penfield.  This time the 70 and mill will be staying home.','',0,'QA==','w2j2xq3z',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1331,348,1,254,0,'216.37.132.130',1064161773,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','2 or three bottom plow','I am looking for a trailer plow .cause my 88 don&#039;t have a 3 pt. hitch.\r\nSlim','',0,'QA==','1zsosdqf',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1332,350,1,140,0,'216.95.136.66',1064240387,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverorchard','Peanut Pickers &amp; Combines','Does anyone of our southern friends know anything about the Oliver Iron Age Model 50  &amp;amp;  60 Liverman peanut pickers? Is there any of these machines still around?\r\n\r\n Thanks: D','',0,'QA==','1r9mmjhu',1,0,'',140,0,0),(1333,351,1,82,0,'216.106.56.85',1064280687,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','Price of an 1800 A','I heard of an 1800 A checkerboard tractor that is for sale.  It has a narrow front end, no hydra-power, diesel engine that is stuck, tires need replacing and the fuel tank is gone.  The rest of the sheet metal is there and looks decent.  I heard the guy wants $900 for the tractor.   Is it worth it?','',0,'QA==','2bqxego6',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1334,351,1,35,0,'67.32.84.43',1064282179,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','1800','It has to do with what you want. Are you looking  to use it as a work tractor or to restore for showing? Either way it will cost more than the market value of the tractor just to get it running. It may be worth $900 for parts. I  would look for another tractor. Just my opinion.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'QA==','itdngb9w',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1335,351,1,142,0,'216.166.193.113',1064289196,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','If the engine needs rebuilt you can sink a lot of cash into that tractor besides whatever else needs done.  I can&#039;t remember the exact cost but it seems like we put a couple grand into rebuilding the 1800 diesel on our farm.  Don&#039;t get me wrong its a great tractor to run, but you should be able to find a good running tractor for what you might put into that one.  Like Frank, that&#039;s just my opinion.\n\n[Edited on 9-23-2003 by 98dba]','',0,'','1tihq1k3',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1336,347,3,188,0,'64.255.107.145',1064434427,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','well,  after driving 450 miles today we are back home and didn&#039;t get to see the show.   my wife took the day off work to see #3 and didn&#039;t get the chance.   We did stop and get some more food grade corn to grind in the mill on the way home, so we accomplished something today.  we were about a mile from the show at 6:30 this morning when we found out it was canceled.\n\n[Edited on 9-24-2003 by km]','',0,'','1vr5ig6w',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1337,347,3,5,0,'216.166.193.254',1064452444,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','','km, yes, we also were almost to Penfield when we heard the show would not be open today. It&#039;s hard to take news like that after waiting a whole year and getting up at 2AM so we could avoid trafic delays. We had breakfast at the Oasis and &amp;quot;toured&amp;quot; the area for about an hour before heading home. Oh, well, there&#039;s always next year. oleblu','',0,'','1ybnswil',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1338,347,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1064498387,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','I am majorly confused...how does the Farm Progress show get canceled on one of the mornings that it is scheduled to occur?  Someone got the story?  I don&#039;t understand.','',0,'','34x12yq9',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1339,352,1,318,0,'208.250.60.16',1064499669,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bhomber','Hart Parr Oliver Wall Rack-Interested???????','I can get this at an auction tonight for someone if someone tells me what it is worth and/or what they will pay for it. I can send an email of picture. Thanks.','',0,'','3rku15ny',1,0,'',318,0,0),(1340,347,3,142,0,'216.166.192.34',1064513602,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','Farm Progress Show','They cancelled the show yesterday and today due to the fact that there was a few inches of rain down that way.  With all those people walking around and people trying to park in a huge cornfield they would have a great big mudhole if the show went on.  Still it is frustrating for those who make the long trip for nothing.','',0,'','2hjf4fb5',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1341,353,1,111,0,'12.91.159.228',1064522367,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jeff.davis','Distributor gear  lubrication - Oliver 70','I AM PUTTING THE FINISHING TOUCHES ON AN OLIVER 70 REBUILD. This is a later model with a Delco Remy Distributor. There is not much in the books on these later distributor setups. I need to know what type of oil (grease?) goes in the drive housing the disty sits in. There is also a small allen head fill plug in the adjacent drive gear housing that hooks into the camshaft gear and the governor.... what lube goes in here?? It doesn&#039;t appear that there is any way for crankcase oil to find its way back into these assemblies, so I&#039;m only guessing that the lubrication must be added. Whose the expert!? Thanks, Jeff Davis','',0,'','17tdvpcj',1,0,'',111,0,0),(1342,349,1,253,0,'65.205.150.10',1064524974,1,0,1,1,1,0,'lindley Clark','Super 88 Diesel','Well the mystery is solved, looks like I misread the serial number. According to my serial number; DSL13700C881 my tractor is a 1951 88 RC. I guess someone thought so much of it they put the Super 88 decals on it. Thanks to everyone who responded.','',0,'','l7vd5mli',1,0,'',253,0,0),(1343,347,3,7,0,'63.250.73.149',1064539960,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','I went over to the grounds tonight','it wasn&#039;t bad on the exhibitor end of the show but you had to pick your spots. I didn&#039;t try the public parking lot. The streets weren&#039;t too bad, but anywhere there was a low spot there was a mudhole. There was water standing on the lot where my tractors were parked. Friends of mine drug their motor home out yesterday, they were about a 1/4 mile from the nearest exit and said it was a disaster dragging it through the mud.','',0,'','hajyr2o1',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1344,347,3,51,0,'205.188.209.16',1064544534,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Farm Progress Show','Going to dig my HP 70 out of the mud tomorrow morning [I hope]. The news brodcast shows a sea of mud at the show site. The neighbors came home with their motor home today [Thrusday], they said the graders cleared a path for the motor homes to use.  They needed a pull to get to the path. They thought tomorrow would be dry enough to get the tractors out.  Hope they right Delbert','',0,'','3432hl99',1,0,'',51,0,0),(1345,347,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1064576343,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Hey Delbert','Go in on the north road through the exhibitor parking lot, no problems. We drove our tractors out, but we could have taken the trailer down 10th street. John','',0,'','227f42z6',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1346,347,3,51,0,'64.12.96.166',1064612497,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Farm Progress Show','Had good dry conditions, no problems, home safely. Delbert','',0,'','aonjdkez',1,0,'',51,0,0),(1347,354,1,140,0,'216.95.136.244',1064619420,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverorchard','Jon W','Jon  Please contact me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:oliverorchard@hotmail.com\">oliverorchard@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->    Thanks:)','',0,'','23qsu9id',1,0,'',140,0,0),(1348,347,3,47,0,'65.238.36.252',1064664276,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Y&#039;all,\r\nHate to hear about your bad luck! Let&#039;s try it again. Next weekend, Oct. 2-5, will be the West Virginia Pumpkin Festival, in Milton, WV, we have a small show there, I don&#039;t know exactly what we will do, but, I know we will thresh, grind meal, grind feed, probably will plow some, it is a smaller show than you are used to, but huge compared to when I got it started 8 or 9 years ago with one little HG. Then in February I believe, there will be the National Farm Machinery Show, in Louisville, KY, we have a booth there, if you are a member we can always use your help, hanging out, giving advice, and selling items, even if it is for only an hour or two. Those of us who volunteer for this show like a chance to be able to get out and see the show too. Then the Winter Get Together in Lancaster, PA follows, that will be Feb. 26-28. So, don&#039;t feel so bad, there are plenty of things coming up.','',0,'','dg2ykgsm',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1349,347,3,7,0,'63.250.73.167',1064664731,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','More rain','Glad to hear you got out OK Delbert. We had another inch and a half of rain last night! The parking lot must look like a swamp over there.','',0,'','28arzz8q',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1350,351,1,47,0,'65.238.36.252',1064665031,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I think you would be able to come out on this one, just make sure it is a &#039;Checkerboard&#039;, so long as what you described is the only problems. There are collectors who pay a premium for &#039;Checkerboards&#039;.','',0,'','17j95wpq',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1351,347,3,51,0,'64.12.96.166',1064697394,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Farm progress Show','I would think the lot is a slick and muddy mess with more rain. I did have one problem, the MM Z had to be winched on the trailor. It started running bad, think I stirred up some dirt in the fuel. Would only go about half way up the ramps and sputter and die. Started that at home before the show but ran good enough to unload and park in the exibit area. It is home and going to get a carburator cleaning, hope that is the problem. Planning to go to the Honey Bee Festival Sunday with my S 55.Delbert','',0,'','33kt2556',1,0,'',51,0,0),(1352,355,4,202,0,'217.32.126.93',1064775492,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletracboy','injection pump for early Hercules DJXC','I&#039;m after an injection pump for my 1939 cletrac Bd so I can get it going, I beliveve it should have an american bosch pump, with a vacume govenor but belive the latter type pump would work. can anyone help me find one?','',0,'','2coq6yu7',1,0,'',202,0,0),(1353,355,4,47,0,'67.241.135.218',1064791248,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Call Landis Zimmerman @ 717 738 2573, he probably has one of those units in stock, if not have him refer you to Bill Bechtold in California.','',0,'','g49mhho0',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1354,353,1,23,0,'68.78.211.31',1064812496,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Jeff','','Jeff,\r\nI assume you have a 3 gear engine.  I don&#039;t know a lot about the 3 gears but we have a 5 gear 70.  I put gearlube in the distributor drive where the gears are and sealed it up.  Don&#039;t know about your other question.  Jeff.','',0,'','kpibo57z',1,0,'',23,0,0),(1355,356,1,321,0,'205.231.146.114',1064959436,1,0,1,1,1,0,'RickB','Production number question','Just (re)entered the Oliver world by bringing home a pretty nice 660 and have a question. I asked over at YT how many 660&#039;s were built and was referred to a post that said less than 1500. As they seem to be numbered with 770&#039;s and 880&#039;s, is this number in the ballpark? Is it verifyable? Just curious. Thanks in advance.','',0,'','1leqha8v',1,0,'',321,0,0),(1356,356,1,26,0,'216.176.88.7',1064961527,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','','I happen to have production numbers from a former Oliver employee and it shows that there were 1,454 660&#039;s built.  I&#039;m confident that those numbers are correct.','',0,'','7jnvfcdq',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1357,357,3,26,0,'216.176.88.7',1064961778,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','No. 3 toy','There has been a delay in the delivery of the toy No. 3 models.  They were supposed to be here around the end of September, but a typhoon hit the plant where they&#039;re being built and they lost several components that were ready for assembly.  The parts will have to be recast but should be here the first week of November.  I&#039;ll keep you posted as information comes in.  I believe they&#039;ll be worth the wait though!','',0,'','jrro0kej',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1358,358,1,56,0,'216.138.55.98',1064999065,1,0,1,1,1,1,'oliver farmer','535 V-8','i have an oliver 535 combine with a chrysler V-8. i was told when i bought it the original V-8 was removed and replaced with one from a 545. i need to know what the correct firing order is and also what the valve clearance should be for the intake and exhaust. the tag on the engine reads that it is a type IND-318A and the serial # is 117360C. i would also like to know what year the engine was made if that is possible. thanks a bunch if you can help.','',0,'','3kakl40q',1,0,'',56,0,0),(1359,358,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1065018820,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','To the best of my knowledge, both of those combines used 318s,...just like the ones in Dodge cars and trucks with no apparent changes.  The firing order for a chrysler V8 is Clockwise 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2.  I am not sure about the valve clearance.  Are you talking about valve to top of piston clearance?  Because if you are it is miles.  Those 318s were all low compression and had pretty generous combustion chambers.  And finally, 318s were produced from the &#039;60s all the way to the turn of the century.  They have made zillions of them, and if you need parts, I would just go to Napa or AutoZone because you will get it a lot cheaper than going to an ag shop and asking for engine parts for a 545 Oliver combine!  Anyway...hope this helps.','',0,'','2jixtoy0',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1360,357,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1065019136,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Typhoon, eh?  Sounds like the toys of Old #3 might not be manufactured in the same country that the original was.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  LOL.','',0,'','3jzrqpgm',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1361,358,1,82,0,'216.106.56.50',1065059625,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','','I have a owners manual on a 545.  It says in the book that the tappets in the engine are hydraulic and require no adjustment','',0,'','13fxkhd2',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1362,359,1,320,0,'67.0.202.170',1065062615,1,0,0,0,1,1,'art perkins','88 diesel came back not running well','my &#039;53 88 std diesel went to another person and thru a divorce i got it back. it ran great when i sold it but now i finally got it to idle ok, but is hard too start cold, white and gray smoke when first cranking, ether is needed &amp;amp; smokes some while at idle.  i have advanced pump one tooth and retarded 1 tooth, seems to run best at correct timing. i am nervous because the head is nice and clean and perhaps the previous owner had the valves ground, which i understand is not advised. low compression may be the problem? i have adjusted the valves, cleaned the power cells.  in summary, it smokes like crazy at all speeds above idle and will not build any rpms.  i may need a new head? or injector pump.  i may be at a point where it is beyond my mechanical abilities. i am interested in locating someone to look at the tractor and do whatever it takes to make it run great again so i can pull in our club, any leads will be appreciated. i am in northwest new mexico anyone within 300-400 miles would work.  help!','',0,'','2gr80ph8',1,0,'',320,0,0),(1363,360,1,323,0,'172.203.93.111',1065107015,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Jrzepka','OC-3 Generator / Regulator Charging problems','Hi Folks,\r\n\r\nPosted this on the Ytmag site and Mr. Schwiebert suggested I try posting here as well.\r\n\r\nHelping my Dad with a OC-3 dozer.  He had an engine rebuild done,  and we are putting things back together.  To make a long story short,  we are having problems with the charging circuit.\r\n\r\nThings are setup for a Positive Ground 6 Volt system.  We have verified all the wiring,  but it seems that the Gen/Reg output is +6 Volts instead of -6 volts in respect to chassic ground.  Wth everything connect and engine running, the battery starts to discharge through the Generator.\r\n\r\nWe have tried to re-polarized the Field on the Generator with procedures from the manual and website posters,  but it doesn&#039;t seem to want to fix the problem.\r\n\r\nHere&#039;s a couple more things we have tried....maybe it will help lead to a solution.\r\n\r\nAfter the engine is running,  we pulled off battery connection.  Reading from the Batt term on Regulator to ground,  we get + 6 volts and not -6 volts.  It is providing current,  because it will light the 6 volt lights.\r\n\r\nWe removed the belt and wires from Generator.  Applying -6 volts to the Gen term,  the Generator will &amp;quot;motor&#039;,  but in the opposite direction it would go when running with engine.\r\n\r\nLastly,  here are the part numbers from the Generator and Regulator.\r\n\r\nGen : Delco-Remy Part# 1101853-254\r\nReg : VR 851 6v POS\r\n\r\nAre these the right parts for a Positive ground 6 volt system??\r\n\r\nWhat are the proper procedures for polarizing the field coil??\r\n\r\nThanks to anyone who can help!!!!\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'','3kqy81gk',1,0,'',323,0,0),(1364,361,1,82,0,'216.106.56.114',1065146214,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','1955 value','There is a 1955 coming up at an auction this weekend I was wondering about.  It is a row crop with a wide front, 3 pt, single hydraulics.  The rear tires are about 40% and solid.  One front is new and the other is bald.  The tractor starts good but lopes at an idle and puffs whitish blue smoke all the time.  There is oil seeping from the junction of the exhaust manifold and the head.  I susect that this tractor needs to be under a good pull and it would probably run better.  The over/under hydraul shift seems to slip in the low side.  What would cause this?  What do you think this is worth?','',0,'','28klvrwh',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1365,360,1,96,0,'216.201.29.127',1065197496,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','OC-3','The generator will work on either polarity. The regulator is either negative or positive. In your case that is what the POS stands for. Remember before alternators many things were positive ground including all Oliver wheel tractors. Other questions send me a U2U before Sunday as I will be out of Dodge so to speak.','',0,'','qc96fq19',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1366,361,1,35,0,'68.18.213.105',1065223688,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','1955','Here is my 2 cents worth. Unless you are a good mechanic and are willing to lay down some serious cash you my want to pass on this one. John knows more about the mechanics of Olivers than I and he may want to jump in. As far as the worth I feel anything above $3500 would be too much.','',0,'','xd8x2ti6',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1367,358,1,96,0,'216.201.29.184',1065229190,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','318 V-8','Are your valve covers the straight type or the ones with like a sawtooth side. They used two different 318 engines.','',0,'','3opvx329',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1368,361,1,47,0,'65.238.36.79',1065262820,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','It sounds to me like you will need some major repairs. From your description, there are some oil consumption issues, but what would concern me is the white smoke, which indicates a coolant problem. Left untreated, this can lead to a hydrostatic lock, which can be very damaging to engine components. I&#039;d have to see the engine to be sure, but from what you tell, that is what my opinion would be. As far as the over/under, any repair is major, and it will require a repair. I would have to agree with Frank.','',0,'','1zqtoto4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1369,360,1,47,0,'65.238.36.79',1065264561,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Cletracs had positive ground,  how are you checking your voltage? Cletracs had an amp meter. Is the tractor wired to specs? Did you consult the schematic diagram in your manual? If not, or if you don&#039;t have a manual, call Landis Zimmerman at 717-738-2573, order a set of manuals, and if need be, the correct regulator, set the tractor up for positive ground. Do you have a good starter/alternator/ generator repair service locally? Something I do on my small Cletracs that helps is use an 8 volt battery, I buy mine from Interstate Battery, I set my voltage regulator for 9.2 volts, or as close as I can get it, above 9 volts, 9.1, 9.2, no higher. One of the big misconceptions, and misinformation on this change is that an 8 volt battery is a drop in change, well, how can 7 volts charge an 8 volt battery? Not very well is how. I don&#039;t remember on your generator if this change is possible, some are set up for charging either 6 or 12 volt battery, which is set by the generator, most are set on the regulator, and are adjustable. You can check this with a volt meter. Those 6 volt batteries were a little slow.\r\nHey John,\r\nIt is good you made it home safely, I got my old thresher cranked up last night, belted it to my Oliver Hart Parr 2-3 plow tractor, the perfect match, 156 strokes per minute wide open. I wish you could had stayed longer, as we will have fun today!\r\nLater, Andy\n\n[Edited on 4-10-2003 by Andy]','',0,'','39i8d2va',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1370,358,1,56,0,'216.138.55.74',1065265414,1,0,1,1,1,1,'oliver farmer','535 V-8','hi john, \r\nyes the valve covers are the saw tooth type. i also found on the timing cover the date of  9-6-64. i have a parts book for the 545 and it shows both types of engines, saw tooth cover and the newer straight one. it also shows that on the saw tooth engine that they used solid or hydrolic lifters, and i have removed the intake and can plainly see that the lifters are solid. i need to know what to set the valves at. a chrysler dealer said to try 10 and 20 for the intake and exhaust, but i am not comfortable with that. do you have any ideas? thanks for the help.','',0,'','32qt57r5',1,0,'',56,0,0),(1371,358,1,82,0,'216.106.56.42',1065314724,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','','I looked in my book again it it said to set the intakes at .012 and the exhaust at.022','',0,'','2d0v20xy',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1372,361,1,82,0,'216.106.56.42',1065315010,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','','The tractor ended up bringing $3100.  I didn&#039;t go to the sale but my neighbors told me what it brought.  A machinery jockey from southern Misssouri bought it. The auctioneer told the crowd when they were selling it that the over/under was bad and that it would cost $4000 to fix it.','',0,'','as9t2myy',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1373,362,2,307,0,'198.81.26.105',1065332788,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Don Lee','Cockshutt Hart Parr 18-28','I recently acquired a 1937 Cockshutt Hart Parr 18-28 and the back half of another one.  The complete one is Green with red wheels.  The other one has original red paint on the fenders.  The RFDTV classic tractor TV show featured one, possibly a club member, that was all red with cream wheels like standard Cockshutt colors.  Can anyone tell me what the correct colors are?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.','',0,'','3hku2376',1,0,'',307,0,0),(1374,362,2,67,0,'64.6.2.124',1065396998,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','The correct colors would be Hart Parr green, with orange wheels.  The orange is the same as AC orange.  The cockshutt tractors did not start using the red/cream colors until approx. 1938 or 1939.   Hope this helps, Terry.','',0,'','3arj8suk',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1375,362,2,307,0,'198.81.26.134',1065414154,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Don Lee','Cockshutt Hart parr colors','Terry\r\nThanks much.  Your help is appreciated.\r\nDon','',0,'','2f07uh3c',1,0,'',307,0,0),(1376,362,2,307,0,'198.81.26.134',1065414235,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Don Lee','Cockshutt Hart parr colors','Terry\r\nThanks much.  Your help is appreciated.\r\nDon','',0,'','2ipha9in',1,0,'',307,0,0),(1377,363,1,325,0,'63.240.135.30',1065452722,1,0,1,1,1,0,'isubucky','Oliver Plow Shares','I recently purchased an Oliver model 100 3-14 trip plow.  The previous owner replaced the 14&amp;quot; shares with 16&amp;quot; shares.  One of the shares on the plow has a broken tip and I removed it this past weekend.  On the share it says Raydex R16 and has 3 bolts.  I found Oliver 14&amp;quot; plow shares in the Shoup catalog, but they are 4 bolt.  The catalog says that the 4 bolt can be used to replace  a 3 bolt share?  Is that correct?  Does anyone have any other sources for plow shares.','',0,'','c979lmgy',1,0,'',325,0,0),(1378,364,1,238,0,'205.188.208.10',1065493920,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','plow share radiator caps','Dumonts&#039; are out of HP 70 plowshare radiator caps, anyone know who&#039;s got them?','',0,'','1eoxrgz0',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1379,365,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1065534580,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Knox Co. Scenic Drive','Had a great time over the weekend hanging out with Terry, Jim and Don in Knoxville, IL. If you get a chance it&#039;s worth the trip. I copied the web site for you to visit. John <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://home.grics.net/scenicdrive/knoxville.html#Tractor\">http://home.grics.net/scenicdrive/knoxv ... ml#Tractor</a><!-- m -->','',0,'','1stjeywa',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1380,364,1,26,0,'216.176.88.37',1065534732,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','','I believe Bill Campell has them.  705-488-2802','',0,'','1wnjzfb6',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1381,359,1,308,0,'66.59.103.209',1065566293,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Russ SCPA','88','White smoke sounds more like steam to me.  Have you looked for water in oil?  Or for oil in water?  I would suspect a head gasket out, cracked head, or perhaps a pin holed sleeve.','',0,'','1jovkonb',1,0,'',308,0,0),(1382,365,3,5,0,'216.166.192.110',1065568099,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','','John, maybe next time we can get your lawn chair closer to the sawmill. If you feel   a title would be needed for your participation, I think we could use  a Master Sawdust Monitor. What size gloves do you wear?  I wouldn&#039;t want you to get a splinter or a blister.  It was great having you over again. Same time, same place (hopefully) next year. Jim','',0,'','nzeepjie',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1383,366,2,328,0,'64.12.96.106',1065655279,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Murphy Lake Farm','OLIVER HG parts and manuals','After I purchased a scale model of the Oliver HG , a pair of real Oliver HG&#039;scame my way...One is a narrow track and the other is wide. Both run well and use magnetos for ignition. \r\nI have not been able to find informaiton on this model on the websites listed for Oliver.\r\nA parts book and a manual is needed. Also a pair of fenders and one grill.\r\nAre these parts shared by any other Oliver or Cletrac machines?\r\nthank you\r\nVerne','',0,'','1q8er0k0',1,0,'',328,0,0),(1384,366,2,35,0,'68.18.203.29',1065656027,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','HG','You need to get in touch with Landis Zimmerman (MR OLIVER-CLETRAC OF THE SOUTH EAST) at Zimmermans Oliver-Cletrac 717-738-2573. He is an expert on these crawlers and probably has all the parts and manuals that you need.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','if7phqb1',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1385,359,1,238,0,'205.188.209.42',1065661413,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','Amen to that! White smoke generally means water. Check the radiator, carefully, when the engine is warmed up. Look for bubbles , when water leaks out, air bubbles get in. Could just be the head gasket.\r\n   Good luck....Larry:)','',0,'','4q8qidss',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1386,367,2,329,0,'142.165.165.41',1065723892,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Joan','Hart-Parr','I am looking for Pathe News newsreel film footage shot in 1919 or the 1920s of a Hart-Parr tractor &amp;quot;bootstrap&amp;quot; demonstration at the National Tractor Show in Kansas City.  In about 1919, the Hart-Parr Company began demonstrating its 12-24 tractor actually lifting its weight “by its own bootstraps.”  The Western Development Museum in Saskatoon, SK, Canada, is preparing an interactive exhibit for 2005 which will feature a recreation of this demonstration.\r\n\r\nThanks, Joan','',0,'','jb4o5nyv',1,0,'',329,0,0),(1387,368,1,330,0,'12.243.126.3',1065732840,1,0,1,1,1,0,'rustyjones84','engine rebuilding questions','We have a 77 row crop on the farm that we still use to rake hay and haul wood.I have come across another engine that I would like to rebuild to have as a spare for the tractor.I noticed in alot of the farm parts catalogs that they list the same rebuild kits for the 77,super 77,770, and 1550.Did all these tractors use the same coponets?If so how did they increase power?Thanks for any help you might have.','',0,'','spqw29l8',1,0,'',330,0,0),(1388,367,2,26,0,'216.176.89.12',1065793227,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','','I would suggest you contact Don Hoover.  I believe he has the original tractor that was used in this demonstration and just recreated the display this summer.  His number is 712-838-4853 and he&#039;s from Webb, Iowa.','',0,'','3opi0341',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1389,368,1,96,0,'216.201.29.83',1065801259,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','77 engine','The 77 is a 3-5/16 bore. When the super 77 was introduced it was a 3-1/2 inch bore. The 770 is also 3-1/2. The 1550 is 3-5/8 inch bore. These sleeves will all fit in the same 77 block. Bearings valves etc are not the same.','',0,'','6igqksaj',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1390,359,1,96,0,'216.201.29.91',1065830434,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','88 With white smoke','O. K. First of all take the exhaust manifold off and start the tractor. Wear ear plugs. Does the white smoke stay with one or two cylinders or do they all puff white smoke. If it stays with one or two cylinders, take the injectors out of those cylinders and put them in cylinders that do not smoke. If the smoke stays with the injectors, get them checked, if not you have a compression problem. Get the head back in spec. Put a full set of seats in unless it is a Super head with the sleeve and put the intake valve recession at the shop manual setting and then set the stem height of the exhaust valve to match the stem height of the intake valve. You will probably gain 50 psi. Also  if possiable I would make a cylinder leak down test. Not that hard to do if you take the rocker arms off. \r\nOne comment on the cracked head. If you take the head off and you DO NOT find any cracks I would start to worry. At this point in life (50 year old tractor more or less) they are all cracked. Now you need to know which cracks hurt you and which ones do not. If you take the head off I would also be interested in what your piston protrusion is. Confused, email me. get that all done and I will explain how to time a PSB pump.','',0,'','1abbyqid',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1391,369,1,331,0,'216.201.12.17',1066004950,1,0,1,1,1,0,'manhattandata','Oliver 80 Row Crop','I am looking for an Oliver 80 Row Crop.  I would be interested in information on a tractor that is for sale.\r\n\r\nThanks.','',0,'','1hg6ncy8',1,0,'',331,0,0),(1392,370,1,332,0,'24.184.235.109',1066006245,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Pageydad','No. 10 Oliver Chilled steel horse-drawn plow','My friend here on Long Island is an old farmer who has different tractor parts and odds and ends on his property. He&#039;s rebuilt 5 John Deere type A&#039;s. We found this horse-drawn plow in a few pieces on his property this week and the blade had the info listed in the caption above. It&#039;s without a handle and the wooden shaft needs to be prplaced. He thinks it&#039;s from the twenties but is not sure. I think from what I see on line that the #10 single blade was made as early as the 1890&#039;s. What can anyone tell me and where can we get parts to rebuild? Thank anyone. I see there are quite a bit of collectors out there. Thanks , pageydad. a youngster at 57, my buddy&#039;s 75. <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','9u3k1vmg',1,0,'',332,0,0),(1393,371,1,333,0,'4.17.81.22',1066087239,1,0,1,1,1,0,'mpgreenland','1550 Clutch Problem','Howdy Folks! I have an Oliver 1550 gas with a direct drive clutch and it has issues.  Since we have owned it, the tractor always would grind when changing gears.  About a month ago, the pressure plate broke a finger.  We put a new pressure plate and clutch in the girl and the clutch pedal adjustment is almost out of the clevis.  This adjustment has always been like this but we never could afford to put the tractor down as we use it daily.  We set the fingers on the pressure plate in accordance with the directions that come with it.  Then  we adjust the pedal free travel by the book and the clutch will not disengage.  We checked the flywheel, throw out yoke, bearing and keyway on the pedal.  We even checked the engine mounts; everything looks OK.  This is the fourth clutch assembly in 10 years/1000 hrs, but the clutch disc was not worn in any case.  Anybody have any more ideas??\r\n\r\nWe measured the remaned clutch disc at 3/8&amp;quot;  And the pressure plate is a new one.  (we tried the remaned ones, they really didn&#039;t work)  I don&#039;t know the differance between organic and botton type disc.\r\n\r\nThanks for everybodies advice.  We ended up adjusting the new pressure plate to a 1/16&amp;quot; beyond what the pressure plate people say.  It works for now.  Thanks Again.\r\n[Edited on 10-15-2003 by mpgreenland]:)\n\n[Edited on 11-30-2003 by mpgreenland]','',0,'','1uvgdd35',1,0,'',333,0,0),(1394,372,1,334,0,'12.87.155.249',1066090008,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mike Griffith','1855 Hand Brake','HELP!!!\r\nI am ptting my 1855 back together and one of the few things I did not take a pre photo of is the lower end of the (parking) hand brake.  Any help or digitial pictures would be greatly appreciated!!!!!','',0,'','1pfrky66',1,0,'',334,0,0),(1395,373,1,50,0,'24.236.200.172',1066092564,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Rob Johnston','What year is this 1655 Diesel?','[img:160knbeh]http&#58;//www&#46;bridge-view&#46;net/images/oliver/1655&#46;JPG[/img:160knbeh]\r\nOther pics [url=http&#58;//www&#46;bridge-view&#46;net/images/oliver/105_0576&#46;JPG:160knbeh]here[/url:160knbeh] and [url=http&#58;//www&#46;bridge-view&#46;net/images/oliver/105_0578&#46;JPG:160knbeh]here[/url:160knbeh]\r\nI&#039;ve been looking around but can&#039;t seem to come up with a website where I can decode the serial number.  From the ID plate on the instrument panel:\r\nModel # 565-22459\r\nSerial # 232023-490\r\n\r\nMy mother-in-law is thinking of adding this as a stable-mate to her [url=http&#58;//www&#46;bridge-view&#46;net/images/oliver/mist7&#46;JPG:160knbeh]88 Row Crop Diesel[/url:160knbeh] and would like information and opinions on this model.  It&#039;s main purpose will be to pull a square bailer around the field in the summer and the manure spreader in the winter.  She had the oportunity to use it this past season and it performed well.  There appear to be no leaks, it starts readily in the warm weather, the rear tires are nearly worn out and the front tires shake if you drive it too fast.  That&#039;s as much as I know about it.  Is the 1655 a decent, reliable tractor?  Are there any common defects that we should look for?  What is a tractor like this worth?\r\n\r\nThanks in advance!\r\n\r\nRob','',0,'GA==','160knbeh',1,0,'',50,0,0),(1396,371,1,96,0,'216.201.29.51',1066096202,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','1550 Clutch','This is a quick Emergency fix. When I worked at the dealer we had some problems like that. We drill a 1/2 inch hole 1 inch below the existing hole which gives the linkage more throw to release the clutch. Did you use a rebuilt or NEW pressure plate and did you mike the thickness of the disk. ARE YOU RUNNING AN ORGANIC CLUTCH OR DID YOU PUT A BUTTON CLUTCH IN?','',0,'GA==','25vr2t3e',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1397,371,1,12,0,'209.240.212.237',1066140810,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Another possibility','The clutch fork can be reversed, I believe this is the model. The bolt that clamps the fork to the shaft when it&#039;s in the working position will actually be coming in from the back. The clutch fork is not staight up and down with the shaft. Maybe John S can help clairify on this. WB.','',0,'GA==','36hle8pr',1,0,'',12,0,0),(1398,373,1,12,0,'209.240.212.249',1066141291,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','','According to &amp;quot;A Guide to Hart-Parr, Oliver and White farm tractors 1901-1996&amp;quot; by Larry Gay. This is a 1972 model tractor. The 1650-55 tractors were the best tractors that Oliver ever made. Just my opinion. WB.','',0,'GA==','jqvbn1ww',1,0,'',12,0,0),(1399,374,1,254,0,'216.37.157.45',1066182785,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','More Power!!!!!!!!!!!!','I have a 1953 oliver 88 diesel and i whant to get more power out of it .I am going to have the injectors rebuilt soon what can i do to get more power out of it .b ut still be abel to work it on the farm .It has a injection pump off of a oliver combine with the same engin but it turns the engin at 1800 high idel not 1600 like orignal it runs better now is that part of turning them up or just luck.\r\nSlim','',0,'GA==','2q3vnr87',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1400,370,1,35,0,'68.18.219.252',1066189046,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','No. 10','I may help a little. My granddad began selling Oliver horse drawn implements in the early 30&#039;s. I do not think the number 10 goes back to the 1800s. I have a price list  from cira 1937 and it lists the no. 10 at $13.10 wholesale. I know this plow was produced through 1945. In the 30s Oliver sold approx.29 types of walking plows. You did not say what parts you needed but if you are close to an amish blacksmith he can probably help you. If you can tell me what parts you need I may can help. The no. 10 was not too popular in our region. My granddad sold mostly nos. 20,19,40 and slat12SB.<!-- s;) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\";)\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s;) -->','',0,'GA==','2pnea09t',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1401,374,1,308,0,'66.59.103.150',1066221549,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Russ SCPA','More power','How much more do you want? There are over-bore kits available for that engine to increase CID, then set rpm&#039;s up some, and set fuel up some. 55 pto hp isn&#039;t out of question for long life. Unless you are sure the compression is excellent, I would be very leery of just &amp;quot;cranking up&amp;quot; fuel for power. It is easy to get to much fuel and &amp;quot;wash out&amp;quot; rings, and/or overheat and engine and melt things that can get expensive.  One thing you really never want to see is pistons with holes through them.  Holes in pistons tend to lead to holes in pocketbook.  Which in turn can upset wife, causing further large(r) problems.','',0,'GA==','1bkiuvdd',1,0,'',308,0,0),(1402,375,1,336,0,'216.255.24.204',1066269999,1,0,1,1,1,0,'olg1355','1950T','I need an engine for a 1950T.  Mine devoloped a bad leak on monday.  I can see the rod from both sides of the block.','',0,'GA==','37ot3c4r',1,0,'',336,0,0),(1403,365,3,206,0,'198.70.154.7',1066276498,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Swampy','Knox County Scenic Drive','John It  was good to see the wife and you at our show last Sunday . Thanks again Ron.','',0,'GA==','2j7bgsho',1,0,'',206,0,0),(1404,365,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1066310897,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Thanks, here is the expensive','part of the weekend. It is a blast to hear it run. Look forward to next year. Thanks to Terry for taking me out to see her at the local dealership. John\r\n\r\n&amp;lt;img src=&amp;quot;http://www.allischalmers.com/public/1938%20A%20LF.jpg&amp;quot;&amp;gt;','',0,'GA==','4zsflmle',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1405,375,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1066311287,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','I believe if I had a 1950 T with no motor I would look into doing a Cummins Repower with one of the B series engines like out of a Dodge pickup.  I have heard that it is really a good thing to do.','',0,'GA==','38ie2xjw',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1406,365,3,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1066325314,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','John,  did you buy that for me?   I would like one of those to add to my orange collection.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'GA==','17ryd45u',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1407,374,1,254,0,'216.37.132.76',1066428400,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','power','i would like about 55 or 60 hp . it works hard when i round bale wet grass for silage.so i was tinking i could turn it up a bit .I am a diesel truck mechanic and i have seen what to much fuel can do. IT runs just at 180 on water temp under laod .i dont think it is getting enoulf fuel to keep it at temp .The compression is ok it starts grate now cold better than my 1971 IH diesel.It does have some vapor that comes out the crank case breather not too bad .\r\nSlim','',0,'GA==','bji68opq',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1408,371,1,47,0,'65.238.36.25',1066532459,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I don&#039;t know if this will help, but I have run into similar problems on other equipment. Never had a 1550 clutch apart, but does the flywheel have a step in it? If so, then perhaps the wear surface is worn down. If so, the flywheel will need to be ground and brought back into factory specs, both surfaces, the one where the disc runs, and an equal amount will need to come off where the pressure plate bolts. Most shops charge about $20 to grind these. I never replace a pressure plate unless I have the flywheel ground. Another really stupid question, are all your bolts good and tight?','',0,'GA==','2s0ungxo',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1410,376,2,337,0,'219.88.143.55',1066635174,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Kiwi','Export Hart parr tractors','Hellow from down under, Look I would be interested to know the approximate age of a radiator I have bearing the Hart Parr name + the phrase &amp;quot;NewZealand Special&amp;quot;\r\nUnfortuneatly the radator is all I have. \r\nI have been told it may be off a 18-36? but have no idea of what period these were made for export. Any ideas?\r\nPhotos avaible.\r\nCheers Kiwi','',0,'GA==','2ixtij23',1,0,'',337,0,0),(1411,377,1,230,0,'130.171.134.59',1066667653,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jeff550','550 backfires  - carb issue?','550 with new Genesse (Pertronix) electronic ignition and new alternator backfires.  have set timing with light and adjusted many times.\r\n\r\nCan it be the carburator?  I do need a new carb....do the replacement carbs work well?\r\n\r\nEchlin  NAPA kit for the old carb did not have all the right parts in the kit.','',0,'GA==','10jsydkm',1,0,'',230,0,0),(1412,377,1,35,0,'68.155.156.114',1066694871,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','550','I recommend Maibach Tractor since they can sell you the rebuild kit or rebuild your old one. I had them rebuild my original MS carb. for my 550  Call 800-808-9934 ask for Tom.','',0,'GA==','1t9pbifk',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1413,378,4,340,0,'208.228.103.192',1066708710,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Gary','hg37','I have custody of father&#039;s Cletrac,believed to be an HG37.I&#039;m moving-can&#039;t take it with me.Hate to call junkman.Is there anyone who might be interested in adopting it.\r\nIt&#039;s been outside awhile and could use TLC,\r\nbut intact and all original except for tracks.\r\nIs this something for someone to fix up or should I call the junkman? Thank you.\r\nTractor located in New York State\n\n[Edited on 11-3-2003 by Gary]','',0,'','2s21x40u',1,0,'',340,0,0),(1414,378,4,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1066745541,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Well Gary, I am sure that anyone here would rather add it to their junk piles than see it get cut up, even if it cant be restored.  So...where do you live?  I would bet that within hours Oliver/Cletrac junkies will be knocking down your door needing a fix.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  Well maybe not hours, but I am pretty sure someone will come get it.','',0,'','346za6c2',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1415,379,1,254,0,'199.224.87.71',1066782676,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','oliver super 99 6cyl ?','I found some info and i was wondering how hard are they to find .or If some body had one for sale or a pic of one or some more info on them .\r\nSlim','',0,'','3bn72ke4',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1416,369,1,341,0,'209.37.138.50',1066868575,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Montanakinger','Intersted in a Row Crop 70?','I know where a row crop 70 and an old Coop tractor are located. They both ran when they were parked 15 to 20 years ago. Send me an email.','',0,'','9xvmm2t6',1,0,'',341,0,0),(1417,380,1,341,0,'209.37.138.50',1066868842,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Montanakinger','Value of Oliver Row Crop 70?','Does anyone know a ball park value on a Oliver Row Crop 70 thats complete and in nice shape. It was parked along with a Coop about 20 years ago. They both ran well when parked. I can get both of them for a fair price. Please let me know what the value is? Thank You.','',0,'','2uo8ohq4',1,0,'',341,0,0),(1418,380,1,35,0,'68.18.222.92',1066870397,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','70 value','Just my two cents worth but a 70 that has been sitting for 20 years is probably not worth much. If the tires are bad I would say around the $300-400 range.','',0,'','e83dng1h',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1419,376,2,47,0,'65.238.36.239',1066923604,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Photos would be helpful. Hart Parr exported to many countries, so, to find a Hart Parr, or parts of one in any part of the world should not be considered out of the question.','',0,'','38lev61c',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1420,378,4,47,0,'65.238.36.239',1066924075,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Gary,\r\nContact me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:tchtiphpoca@hotmail.com\">tchtiphpoca@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->, or use the U2U feature on this website. Where is this tractor located? If I can&#039;t come and get it myself, I can probably find it a good home. Don&#039;t call the junkman!!!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','35fkmakx',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1421,377,1,47,0,'65.238.36.239',1066925148,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Need more info. Does the engine backfire regularly, or irregularly? Did you have this problem prior to replacing the ignition? What shape are the valves in? Is the backlash set correctly? Many conditions can cause this problem, anything from the drive mechanism for the valve train, thru the valve train, to the valve seats, distributor drive, gaskets, springs, each having it&#039;s own unique symptom, some are common, but they can be isolated. It is unusual that I find a carburator as the source of a backfire problem, but it does happen. When exactly does it backfire? All the time? Under load? acceleration? Deceleration? Moving? Not moving? Idling? When it is being shut off?','',0,'','2ufn0rsr',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1422,379,1,47,0,'65.238.36.239',1066925502,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','S99 6 cyl diesel of fairly common, S99 6 cyl gas fairly rare, if you are looking for one of these, Aumann Auctions will be auctioning one in Ohio in about a week, you can call Kurt Aumann in Nokomis, IL for details.','',0,'','k49o0vdk',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1423,379,1,254,0,'199.224.87.220',1066957067,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','super99 6cyl','I am looking for a diesel. cheap is the key word. And if It runs that would be good too . Or as long as the tin work is there it don&#039;t have to have a motor . I was thinking of building a puller out of it .\r\nslim','',0,'','2snrhc08',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1424,379,1,47,0,'65.238.36.164',1066960283,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Good luck on the cheap part. I can remember not so long ago when they could be picked up for a song. It is not that way now. S99&#039;s would had been an excellent investment 10 years ago, as they have appreciated more than most other investments. You might look into getting a S99 GM if that is what you want one for. You can use off the shelf parts readily available from any Detroit Diesel dealer to boost the horsepower considerably. The 3-71 is still available, and often can be found brand new from government surplus, plus, they were used in many applications, industrial, construction, mining, municipal, military, etc. There is no parts shortage for that engine.','',0,'','1qo9kipm',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1425,381,1,230,0,'66.103.230.152',1066960345,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jeff550','550 backfire symptoms','550 backfires when turned off, and sometimes when starting.\r\n\r\nnew electronic ignition system and new alternator conversion.\r\n\r\nran better prior to ignition system installation.\r\n\r\nTried to rebuild the carb with the Echlin kit, but about half of the parts did not fit.\r\n\r\nExhaust is darker than it should be.\r\n\r\nEngine does not ramp up as quickly as it used to.....it struggles to speed up.\r\n\r\nNot as much power as it used to have prior to changes.\r\n\r\n12 volte negative ground and alternator are fantastic.\r\n\r\nI doubt she would pull the 2 bottom 16 inch plow I used to have for her.  Levels gravel ok in 1st / 2nd gear with rear blade.  Used to do this type of work in 3rd easy....struggles now in 3rd.','',0,'','2kktvnzw',1,0,'',230,0,0),(1426,381,1,47,0,'65.238.36.164',1066961482,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','First thing to do is consult with the aftermarket manufacturer of the ignition. It sounds like that is the problem. It sounds to me like the ignition is not advancing, which would account for for all the symptoms you describe. Perhaps it is not the correct model of ignition for the application. Remaining retarded would cause loss of power, thus not burning all the fuel, which would darken the exhaust, and cause delayed acceleration, from indications, it could cause misfire when shut down, but it surprises me it backfires when started, that would indicate an advanced condition, or a weak valve spring, possibly moisture in the ignition. I feel when you find your problem, it will be in the ignition, that is where I would look. Since you had the carburetor apart unsuccessfully, I would get a kit from an Agco dealer as Frank said, and make sure to rebuild it correctly, it is cheap and couldn&#039;t hurt it. It would not be unusual to have parts that don&#039;t fit, and parts left over from an aftermarket carburetor kit, such as NAPA, often these kits fit several applications, and are packaged with sufficient parts for all applications they fit. Another thing I would check, a really dumb question, but could your distributor be 180 out? Check that the #1 cylinder is at the top of the compression stroke, with both valves closed, when the rotor in the distributor is pointing towards the #1 sparkplug wire.\r\n\r\n[Edited on 24-10-2003 by Andy]\n\n[Edited on 24-10-2003 by Andy]','',0,'','yguvrs83',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1427,382,1,344,0,'66.45.202.214',1066967687,1,0,1,1,1,0,'DPBorst','Information about Oliver Superior Common Drill - 64-2349','Dear Members,\r\n\r\nWe are looking for somebody who might have some more information about a drill that we recently recieved from a retired farmer. We are looking for extra parts - so if anybody might be willing to spare with some parts they might have for this model, pleae let us know.\r\n\r\nthe serial number is: 64-2349\r\n\r\nThank You - also any information you might have and be willing to share about this drill, or if you might know somewhere else where we could get some extra parts please let us know.','',0,'','1udqmsdy',1,0,'',344,0,0),(1428,378,4,98,0,'209.51.206.107',1067089787,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletrac1','crawler','Where are you located ? Email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:mikek@midohio.net\">mikek@midohio.net</a><!-- e -->  if your close to Ohio.','',0,'','2l0c0q0d',1,0,'',98,0,0),(1429,378,4,33,0,'165.121.145.60',1067137013,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Eric Severance','','Gary, Don&#039;t call the junk man. Someone here will want it, as you can already see !!! If you are near Vermont I am interested as well. Heck, I&#039;ll even pay you to let me take it away !!!!!!','',0,'','3k01v0tb',1,0,'',33,0,0),(1430,383,4,347,0,'63.165.107.236',1067192381,1,0,1,1,1,1,'griz','newbie help please','I&#039;ve got an old Cletrac from about 1948. \r\n\r\nRather than haul it off for scrap, I figured I&#039;d offer it to you collectors. Sure, I&#039;d love to make a little $$$ from the sale of parts, but I rather have it removed and salvaged. \r\n\r\nWhat do I have to list here so you know if it is of any use to you?\r\n\r\nTIA,\r\nGriz','',0,'','3e5ijw38',1,0,'',347,0,0),(1431,384,1,348,0,'65.238.32.11',1067195839,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oli88','Plastic Canvas Pattern for an Oliver Tractor','We are looking for a pattern of an Oliver Tractor with a scenery to make place mats.  Do you know where whe can find these?  Would they be in any craft store or do we have to go thru the Oliver Gang?\n\n[Edited on 11-17-2003 by oli88]','',0,'','1mkxjcwe',1,0,'',348,0,0),(1432,385,3,206,0,'198.70.154.221',1067224032,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Swampy','summer show pic&#039;s','HERE ARE SOME PIC&#039;S FROM SUMMER SHOW.','',0,'','2jvwjdog',1,0,'',206,0,0),(1433,386,3,206,0,'198.70.154.221',1067224209,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Swampy','summer show pic&#039;s','HERE ARE SOME PIC&#039;S FROM SUMMER SHOW.','',0,'','3gd9taks',1,0,'',206,0,0),(1434,375,1,349,0,'152.163.252.199',1067226882,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Don-WI','','From what I hear, truck engines don&#039;t work too good in tractor repowers, mainly because of all the parts that have to be swapped. If you can find one from another tractor, they work the best. Used engines are much cheaper, as a NEW one will cost $10,000 for the engine alone. a used one can be had for about 1,500 to 3,000. Shep VA would be the guy to talk to about this conversion. Otherwise, contact Wisconsin Tractor Parts, they can get you a used block and any other parts you want\r\n1-(920)-530-2010\r\nDonovan from Wisconsin','',0,'','34z8soyg',1,0,'',349,0,0),(1435,372,1,334,0,'12.87.152.5',1067310675,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mike Griffith','Hand Brake','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> Found an 1855 not to far away and took digital photos.  Guess God helps those who help themselves.  MAG:cool:','',0,'','ux7uazw3',1,0,'',334,0,0),(1436,387,1,349,0,'152.163.252.39',1067399347,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Don-WI','Any value??','I was just wondering, is there any value of used engine parts, such as sleeves, pistons, springs, etc? I put all new in mine and was just wondering if I could maybe get rid of my old parts that I have no use for.\r\nDonovan from Wisconsin:)','',0,'','1b2mhkka',1,0,'',349,0,0),(1437,388,1,350,0,'24.53.155.55',1067407567,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Craig','!!!!! 20 OLIVER TRACTORS FOR SALE !!!!!','Hi, My father has decided to sell some of his Oliver tractors. You can see some of what he has to sell at the web site below. Just click the picture to enlarge it. If you have any questions you can email me or call my father. Hope to see you there... \r\n\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.rentzelsauctionservice.com/onsite/20031122/ad1.html\">http://www.rentzelsauctionservice.com/o ... 2/ad1.html</a><!-- m -->\r\n\r\nHere is a new site try it.\n\n[Edited on 11-2-2003 by Craig]','',0,'','tg95zz52',1,0,'',350,0,0),(1438,388,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1067440708,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Craig, \r\nYour link does not work....I repeat...link does not work....help!  Want to see tractors for sale! Haha.  \r\n\r\nHere is the error message:  HTTP1.1 STATUS 403 Remote Access to this object forbidden This file cannot be directly accessed from a remote site, but must be linked through the Brinkster Member&#039;s site.','',0,'','1nfkopei',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1439,387,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1067440987,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Well sure they are valuable...to the right person!:D  What are they for?','',0,'','1da7tqux',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1441,390,5,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1067441345,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','Login problems','Is anyone else having problems logging in?  For example...I am unable to log in at all today.  I can still post by placing my username and password in the post box, but I cannot login whatsoever.  Admin?  What&#039;s up?','',0,'','16zonp4g',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1442,386,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1067441702,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Hey Swampy,  Neither of your posts worked...and we wanna see pics!  Try again please.','',0,'','364ipdcc',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1443,387,1,349,0,'152.163.252.199',1067471669,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Don-WI','','They are out of an oliver 1600 gas, Originally 3 5/8&amp;quot; bore. Not sure exactly how worn they are, would have to bring them to work where I have my measuring tools to check. If anything, the sleeves could be bored out oversize.\r\nDonovan from Wisconsin','',0,'','3seh9ndz',1,0,'',349,0,0),(1444,388,1,50,0,'24.236.200.172',1067485259,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Rob Johnston','','cut and paste this url into your address bar:\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www24.brinkster.com/webuildsites/fns/oliver%20auction.jpg\">http://www24.brinkster.com/webuildsites ... uction.jpg</a><!-- m -->\r\n\r\nI&#039;m not sure why but it doesn&#039;t work if you click on it...???','',0,'','2x9rz12e',1,0,'',50,0,0),(1445,391,2,312,0,'24.236.200.175',1067521875,1,0,1,1,1,0,'hazey','18-27 Head','Can anyone tell me how much the head on my 18-27 weighs?  I&#039;ve been trying to take it off and have raised it up about 2 inches using wooden blocks, but can&#039;t budge it by myself.  Maybe I&#039;m not strong enough to lift it and need to go another route?','',0,'','2ud408lz',1,0,'',312,0,0),(1446,392,1,351,0,'63.156.28.53',1067748880,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jtierney','Oliver 80 Standard Steel Wheels','I have front and rear steel for an Oliver 80 Standard.  Would like to sell or trade for other 80 parts (spoke or cutdown row crop wheels, industrial brake parts, other).  Wheels are in fairly good shape, no welds or broken spokes, few lugs are missing or loose.','',0,'','4522slsn',1,0,'',351,0,0),(1447,393,1,351,0,'63.156.28.53',1067749022,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jtierney','80 Row Crop Wide Front','Have a nice wide front for an 80 Row Crop.  Would like to sell, or find a fair to good 80 or 18/27 to put it on.','',0,'','26ocvfsc',1,0,'',351,0,0),(1448,383,4,47,0,'65.238.36.253',1067750462,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Griz,\r\nYou are in luck, there is a member in your town. I suggest you call Donald R. Lundeen, 406-296-2366, and see if he is interested in your tractor.','',0,'','11wegqsr',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1449,391,2,47,0,'65.238.36.253',1067750884,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I don&#039;t know an accurate weight, I use a chain hoist to pull them. You are right, it is too heavy to just pick up, my guess would be around 100 lbs., it can be carried once you get it off. Be careful to not bend the studs, they tend to crack or break once they are bent, that opens the door for all kinds of fun and games, trying to get them out.','',0,'','22mn7tx5',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1450,375,1,47,0,'65.238.36.253',1067751704,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I understand there is a kit for the Cummins repower, I have heard nothing but good from members who have repowered. Maybe Jim Kline can help you out with that. Jim&#039;s phone is 937-981-3985.','',0,'','25ghsjsc',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1451,378,4,345,0,'69.66.77.188',1067800088,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','crawler','Gary, please check your u2u inbox.\r\n\r\nAlso, where is the crawler located?','',0,'','3dxel5bu',1,0,'',345,0,0),(1452,338,1,109,0,'216.65.188.28',1067811360,1,0,0,0,1,0,'chparks','Cliver Plow Book','There is a Oliver Plow Book for sale at this address <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.abebooks.com\">www.abebooks.com</a><!-- w -->\r\nOn the home page type in the title.\r\nThey want $75.00 for it.','',0,'','357hhr1c',1,0,'',109,0,0),(1453,338,1,257,0,'141.149.32.212',1067974420,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tip','Thanks!','Great resource, many thanks!','',0,'','2j0krpzb',1,0,'',257,0,0),(1454,394,1,352,0,'136.181.195.36',1067986843,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jawernet','Oliver Loader with Bucket','[b:1t75fuc4]Oliver Bucket with Loader[/b:1t75fuc4]is for sale at Stamm&#039;s Farm Impliment in Wayland, Michigan.  I was looking at plows when my eye caught site of a Oliver front loader with frame in the used equipment area.  It was built in the mid 60s and came off a Oliver 770.  My father has one on his 77 that we use.  This is only the 2nd one I&#039;ve ever seen.  Not sure what they are asking for it?  I would judge it to be in good condition.','',0,'QA==','1t75fuc4',1,0,'',352,0,0),(1455,393,1,67,0,'64.6.2.55',1067989952,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','James--I sent you a U2U message, and may be interested in the wide front, or able to help you find an 80 or 18-27.  Please let me know what you are asking for the wide front.  Terry.','',0,'QA==','2p6heua1',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1456,395,1,254,0,'216.37.132.131',1067991493,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','snow plow?','I am wondering did oliver make snow plower for there tractors ,Or would i have to biuld a plow fram.If oliver biult them i am looking for one to fit a 88 rc ,or mabey a oliver loder.\r\nslim','',0,'QA==','34n4a5n0',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1457,396,1,254,0,'216.37.132.131',1067991846,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','narrow front for a 88 RC','I have a 88 RC with a wide front and it needs a new piviot pin and mabey a bulster and some tlc , i found a narrow front from a early 880 it will fit my 88 they whant 200 for it with the steering box on it. Is that a good price or can i get the parts to fix my wied front for about that?the only thing i don,t like about the wode front is thath it dont turn sharp to the right it there a easy fix for thath ?\r\nSlim','',0,'QA==','3d308c37',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1458,397,1,218,0,'205.188.208.10',1068054393,1,0,1,1,1,0,'colo80','steering wheel','My oliver 80 has a steering wheel with covered spokes, and a metal cap in the middle. Where would I go about getting a new one? Thanks','',0,'QA==','gh0opln7',1,0,'',218,0,0),(1459,398,1,353,0,'68.75.90.158',1068085127,1,0,1,1,1,0,'super55owner','super 55 camshaft','I have a super 55 with a 4cyl. waukesha gas engine &amp;amp; I need a camshaft new or used. Anyone have one for sale or know where I can find one. please e-mail any info. Thanks Mike','',0,'QA==','2vaakoby',1,0,'',353,0,0),(1460,393,1,351,0,'63.156.28.87',1068088310,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jtierney','','Hi Terry,\r\nWould like $400 for the front end.  It is complete, including the casting that bolts under the frame/connects to the &amp;quot;wishbone&amp;quot;, but no crank.  There do not appear to be any cracks or welds, and tie rods, etc look good.  Comes with cast centers or cut downs.  Still working on the 80 Ind - could use a good brake pedal if you have one...\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nJames','',0,'QA==','3pndxrvp',1,0,'',351,0,0),(1461,399,2,312,0,'24.236.200.175',1068218496,1,0,1,1,1,0,'hazey','MOre 18-27','I got the motor free last night so hopefully things will be really rooling along now.  Mine is a 1935 model, what is the correct magneto for it?  Does anyone have a parts tractor laying around, I need a few common things that you might have.  Thanks.\r\n\r\nJoe','',0,'QA==','1x7n1ply',1,0,'',312,0,0),(1462,398,1,65,0,'216.183.149.179',1068250164,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','55 camshaft','Ontario Used Tractor in Londesbough Ontario Canada just wrecked super 55 gas 519-523-4922 and teeswater ag parts wrecked 550 with rebuilt engine 519-392-6111 both ship canada / usa daily.','',0,'QA==','291o31jr',1,0,'',65,0,0),(1463,399,2,96,0,'216.201.29.194',1068254293,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','18-27','Joe Check your U2U box.','',0,'QA==','qfwyaa4d',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1464,400,1,354,0,'206.9.80.3',1068257490,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Charles Russell','770','I have a 770 and I am having the hardest time trying to figure out what year it is. This is my first tractor and it has really been great. I do believe it is of the 2nd vintage of the 3 vintage&#039;s for 770. It has the 3-point hitch and 2 speed transmission. It is also a diesel. If anyone can point me in the direction of locating the year, it would be great. Thanks.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'QA==','23qa8s0u',1,0,'',354,0,0),(1465,400,1,5,0,'216.166.193.18',1068258313,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','770','Charles, if you could post your serial number here, I&#039;m sure we can help you. The number is on a plate on the  lower left side of the instrument panel near the clutch pedal. oleblu','',0,'QA==','3jvejscc',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1466,400,1,354,0,'206.9.80.3',1068308178,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Charles Russell','','oleblu: The serial # is 135-144-736\n\n[Edited on 11-8-2003 by Charles Russell]','',0,'','4a3hsed4',1,0,'',354,0,0),(1467,401,1,355,0,'66.222.53.16',1068332123,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bald','70..3-gear or 5-gear?','I have an Oliver 70 RC (1940, ser. 234869) and keep hearing the terms &amp;quot;3 gear engine&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;5 gear engine&amp;quot;.  Have the manuals, but haven&#039;t found out how I tell which one I have.  Would one of you folks tell me about the terms?\r\nWould appreciate it.  Thanks','',0,'','199ug4rb',1,0,'',355,0,0),(1468,400,1,5,0,'216.166.192.93',1068336662,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','770','Charles, it looks like a 1963 by my book. oleblu','',0,'','ic3elj3q',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1469,402,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.150',1068342029,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','Contact for website','Today at an HPOCA board meeting, I agreed to take on the duties of webmaster for the HPOCA web site. If you have questions or problems with this web site, please let me know on this forum, or you can email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e --> and I&#039;ll do my best to get you going again.\r\n\r\nAlso, look forward to additions to the website in the near future.\r\n\r\nThanks, and enjoy!','',0,'','lfc0x741',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1470,403,1,357,0,'216.76.164.100',1068343303,1,0,1,1,1,0,'rengykey','Oliver 70','need an intake and exhaust manifold for a oliver 70 series\n\n[Edited on 11-9-2003 by rengykey]','',0,'','r4tepmz9',1,0,'',357,0,0),(1471,401,1,238,0,'64.12.96.166',1068347966,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','3 or 5 gear engine','Bald,\r\nI,m not an expert, but I have some of each.\r\nMy 3 gear engines have the distributer on the right side and the 5 gear have it on the left. Hope this helps, Larry','',0,'','1pzddnqj',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1472,400,1,354,0,'206.9.80.3',1068360246,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Charles Russell','','Oleblu, Thank you for your help.','',0,'','2r1ljlno',1,0,'',354,0,0),(1473,404,1,354,0,'206.9.80.3',1068360784,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Charles Russell','In search of a good shop manual....770','Now since I know of the year of my tractor, I am now in need of the correct shop manual. I would like to have a complete shop manual. I was over looking in <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.primediabooks.com\">www.primediabooks.com</a><!-- w --> yesterday. I noticed that there was a manual that had almost 2000 pages. But I wasnt quite sure on which one to buy. I am a newcomer with tractors. So as to which manual I need to buy I have no idea. If anyone knows it would be greatly appreciated.','',0,'','2o4lzdx3',1,0,'',354,0,0),(1474,404,1,5,0,'216.166.192.235',1068379283,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Manual','Charles, probably the best place to buy a manual for an Oliver is from the Floyd County Museum in Charles City, Iowa. These manuals are copies of the originals and are of good quality. You can get parts manual, repair manual and operators manual. I don&#039;t  have the mailing address, but I&#039;m sure if you look through the past posts it&#039;s in here. Someone else may have it at their fingertips and post it.  oleblu','',0,'','2gnnagj5',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1475,404,1,5,0,'216.166.192.20',1068391955,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','770 manual','Here is a website to the manuals <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.catt.org/olivertractormanuals.htm\">www.catt.org/olivertractormanuals.htm</a><!-- w -->\r\n    Good Luck  oleblu','',0,'','2u1mdx3u',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1476,383,4,202,0,'217.32.120.95',1068407374,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletracboy','cletrac.org','If you haven&#039;t sold it yet try advertising it on cletrac.org','',0,'','1pzn0k48',1,0,'',202,0,0),(1477,405,3,63,0,'207.40.148.237',1068485139,1,0,1,1,1,0,'550buff','WHAT IS GOING ON!!!!!!!','I have heard the HPOCA has fired their Editor. \r\nWhat is going on?\r\nA great magazine, and now we hear this. Is the Board Crazy!!\r\nWhat was wrong with our editor? \r\nIs this an internal problem and now us as members have to suffer just because several big wheels had some ego problem?\r\nCome on lets have some input here.<!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->','',0,'','1c4xsi8o',1,0,'',63,0,0),(1478,405,3,35,0,'198.146.111.214',1068489478,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Editor','I hope this is an ugly rummor. Sherry has worked extremely hard for this association and especially the magazine. I thought this issue was put to rest at Penfield when the directors renewed her contract. If this is true might there be jealous feelings among some with the great job that was done with No.3? We have a first rate organization and a great magazine lets not ruin it with egos.<!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->','',0,'','enr35ymp',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1479,406,6,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1068503664,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','WooHoo','Ask and you shall receive!  I thought this Misc. Forum would be a good idea.  So here is my first question and its an oddball.  Does anyone here have any Gibson tractors?  We have a model I which was the biggest one.  Supposedly the front ends on them were notorious for breaking.  Ours too is broken and i was wondering if anyone knew of one...or of a substitute piece?  I think ours has a JD piece under it know, but it doesnt work just right.  Anyone?','',0,'','2ps5vjeq',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1480,402,5,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1068503834,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Thanks Chris for taking on this job.  There are a few of us who are regulars on here, but as a first task I would like to know if you have any ideas on increasing our web base?  There are a lot of people out there with a wealth of knowledge to share, and we need to get some more people on here.  Looking forward to the additions to the site.','',0,'','1cyx1btl',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1481,407,1,254,0,'199.224.87.213',1068512420,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','3PT hitch for 88rc','I am lookinf for a 3pt hitch for a 1953 88RC new they are about 800 . does any bodh have a used one?hope you can help \r\nSlim','',0,'','3ebz3wyq',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1482,397,1,353,0,'68.75.90.158',1068517106,1,0,1,1,1,0,'super55owner','','Try Minn-Kota Repair Inc.They Recover old wheels or try Steiner tractor parts inc. they sell new wheels','',0,'','2tywmian',1,0,'',353,0,0),(1483,402,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.186',1068518179,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','','I have a few. First of which is to improve the rankings that the HPOCA gets in various search engines. This will take a little while to filter down through all of the search engines on the net, but should help in the next month or 2.\r\n I also plan on adding a photo gallery, classifieds, and a tractor registry. Of course, all of these things take time.  \r\n\r\nAlso, if you have any suggestions, they are always welcome.','',0,'','yi84dkzk',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1484,405,3,345,0,'69.66.77.8',1068522731,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','wondering 2','Saw some hints in a letter to the editor, but had not heard about them firing Sherry.\r\n\r\nHope this is just an unfounded,untrue rumor!','',0,'','tmkxa5hs',1,0,'',345,0,0),(1485,405,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1068523008,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','I&#039;d like to offer up what I know about the situation, and hopefully at a later time a board member can fill us in on any other details.  The rumors are correct, that Sherry is no longer the HPOCA Magazine editor.  Evidently there were some problems leading to this, which I will leave to someone with more knowlege on the situation to address.  You both are right in that Sherry has done a nice job with the magazine and has put a lot of work into the organization, and I thank her for that.  However, I do have faith in our board that they are acting in the association&#039;s best interests and are not on an ego trip as has been suggested.  As for the future of the magazine, I understand that we will have a professional team putting it together, and I honestly believe that it will be as good as in the past and continue to get even better.  I hope everyone can give things a little time to settle in and everyone can continue to work together to keep our first class organization running','',0,'','22u3k5cl',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1486,405,3,35,0,'198.146.111.165',1068558952,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','editor','The last reply brought up some good points. Point one why hasn&#039;t the board enlightened the membership to problems they had with Sherry? Why wasn&#039;t information placed on this forum immediately after the dismissal? By the way no board member has responded yet. What is meant by a professional group? Probably the definition will be a company that charges use more and does nothing more. SHERRY IS PROFESSIONAL WHEN IT COMES TO OLIVERS. The board had a chance at Penfield at an open forum to express problems but gave Sherry a new contract. I have not heard one word against Sherry at Penfield, this forum or the magazine. I do not think the board is acting for the betterment of our organization.<!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->','',0,'','33s51i0k',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1487,405,3,18,0,'24.83.180.236',1068573137,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Super 55','Shocking news','I was just over at the Oliver page at YT Mag and saw the post about Sherry being fired as editor. To say the least I was shocked to here this.  I thought I would come over to this site and see if there was anything in the news forum from the board.\r\n\r\nAll that Sherry mentioned at YT Mag was that she was fired for posting a member&#039;s letter.  I guess I will have to wait to see the newsletter and find out what the problem might be.  I hope that the reason is posted soon so that rumor, innuendo, and emotions don&#039;t cloud the issue. \r\n\r\nAs far as a professional group taking over the job, I wonder if they will have an Oliver background or if they are a service bureau that will take the text, pictures and graphics and design the layouts.  I think it was a BONUS to have an editor with an Oliver background. I teach desktop publishing at a highschool and I was quite impressed with Sherry&#039;s ability to teach herself the programs and improve her work over the years to the point of making a first class magazine.','',0,'','1hopezu5',1,0,'',18,0,0),(1488,405,3,67,0,'64.6.2.145',1068599706,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','Response from the Board of Directors','OK everybody, here goes as for an explanation.  First, please stop and think about the composition of the board of directors of the HPOCA.  Your members are from 6 states.  1 from IA, 3 from IL, 2 from IN, and 1 each from OH, PA, and VT.  6 states, reperesenting 7 chapters, all volunteers, for a job without pay, and usually at a considerable personal expense.  All of the board members are professional people with nothing to gain other than satisfaction of doing our best to further the interests of the HPOCA.  That being said, I will try to address some of the questions posed.  It is true that the board of directors decided to terminate the contract with Sherry Schaefer to produce the club magazine. The board of directors has no intention of making the members suffer, as nothing is gained by anybody in this case.  There are no egos involved, although after reading the latest magazine, I can certainly understand why some would think so.  At the time of the board meeting, none of the board members had received their magazine, or talked to anyone who had.  The letter to the editor played no part in termination of the contract.  The board has not responded before, because it is only proper and professional to get the formal notification in the mail to Sherry before responding to anyone else.  We also do not wish to engage in mud slinging, or trying to start any type of character attack.  There has been a long standing list of problems, which the board has repeatedly tried to address, including the last effort at the Penfield show board meeting by approving a new contract written by Sherry, rather than renewing the previous contract.  We feel that we have taken the high road and tried very hard to make this arrangement work, and have done all that we possibly could have.  At the last board meeting, on Nov. 8, with 8 members present, the board voted 7 to 1 to terminate the contract, by the provisions listed in the contract.  This is a very solid vote, and not one taken lightly.  We all agree that Sherry has done a good job of producing the magazine, but we also agree that it is time for a new editor.  Even as agreements are being finalized, work is already underway for the next issue of the magazine, with hopes of having it produced either on or close to the scheduled date.  The people who will be producing the magazine did not approach the board of directors looking to take someone&#039;s job, rather I initiated contact with them to submit a proposal to the board.  The board then looked at a total of 3 proposals from 2 groups, and put together the best of each one.  Magazine editor&#039;s duties will be handled by Chris &amp;amp; Becky Losey.  Many of you know Chris &amp;amp; Becky as members of the Oliver Gang, and Chris also manages the Oliver Gang web site, and puts out their newsletter.  Chris&#039;s family were long time Oliver dealers, and they have an extensive knowledge of Oliver material as well as a sizeable collection.  They will  put together all of the material and photos for the HPOCA magazine, and handle the day to day business associated with the magazine.  They will also be in charge of the HPOCA web site.  Final details and duties are still being worked out.  The material for the magazine will then be passed on to the staff of Antique Power magazine, for page layout, graphics design, and printing. Many of you subscribe to Antique Power, and you know that this is definitely a top quality magazine, put together by professional and knowledgeable people.  The initial samples that they showed us for the HPOCA magazine looked absolutely fabulous.  We have every confidence in this team of people to put out a great magazine, and provide all of the HPOCA members with the top quality magazine that they deserve.  I know that this change will not set well with everyone, but we as the board of directors are confident and convinced that we have made the right choice, with the best interests of the HPOCA at heart.  Please direct any further questions to me, and I will do my best to answer them.  Terry Allen, HPOCA president.','',0,'','2jckcrh0',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1489,405,3,40,0,'64.12.96.166',1068605230,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Bill Brandt','','<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->\r\nOk, Terry did what you wrote say the board agreed to Sherry remaining the editor at the Penfield meeting  by approving a contract she wrote to replace the contract she was working under previously.  If I read you correctly this was going to help alleviate problems the officers and the board had had with her performance in the past.  I would note that would have been an opportune time to end the contractual agreement.  Many of the members would have been there and maybe you guys could have done a better job of explaining what was going on.\r\n\r\nAssuming that the board did approve a new contract you on your own initiative went out and started looking for someone to replace her even though she had a new contract.  But if I read it right that was nothing personal, just professional on your part.   By the way how long was the new contract supposed to run? 1 year, 2 years or more.  When did it take effect, right after the Penfield meeting?\r\n\r\nThen on Nov 8 the board met and w/o even seeing what was in either the 1st or 2nd magazine under the new contract you &amp;quot;professionals&amp;quot; decided to terminate a contract that could not have been in force for more than 2-3 months.  Even the gov&#039;t does not do that if the party under contract is delivering what they are contracted to do, i.e. publish a magazine.\r\n\r\nIf I may ask, what were the issues the officers and the board had with the editor?  I don&#039;t think that any of the magazines out there were any better than ours and some I&#039;ve seen are considerably worse.  Will the &amp;quot;new editors&amp;quot; cost us more than the previous one?\r\n\r\nSpeaking of costs would it be possible to publish the HPOCA&#039;s annual audit that is done by a CPA in the magazine or on the web?  I see such an audit is required in the bylaws.  You may have the audit at the annual meetings, but as you pointed out members of the club are from many different states and countries and therefore all of us can&#039;t make it to the meetings. However, as I understand it all paid up members get the magazine so including the audit would assure that every member had a chance to review it.\r\n\r\n\r\nPS  I know Cockshutt 60&#039;s are Olivers in red paint, but do you think it would be possible for the new editors to get a picture of our president drivning a &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; oliver or at least one of the red ones that said Oliver on the side.','',0,'','1k9jrtwy',1,0,'',40,0,0),(1490,405,3,67,0,'64.6.2.145',1068606888,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Bill--I will attempt to answer your questions.  I did solicit comparable offers from other potential editors approx. 3 weeks before the board meeting, at the urging of most board members, as they did not feel that relations with the editor were improving.  The new contract took effect Sept. 1, for a term of 1 year, unless the termination clause was invoked.  The termination clause calls for 60 days notice, which has been given, along with pay for that period of time.  The costs of employing the new editors and publisher are no more than we were paying previously.  Our books are audited annually by a CPA firm, and they are published in the magazine after being presented and approved by the board of directors.  As for my picture--we have tried to change the pictures periodically, and your point is well taken that it is time to change it to a &amp;quot;green&amp;quot; Oliver. Hope I didn&#039;t miss anything, if I did, let me know and I will try to answer.  Terry.','',0,'','6xjpckew',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1491,405,3,360,0,'198.77.42.109',1068607285,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','The letter from the president Mr. Allen doesn&#039;t explain anything and the response right below it is excellent. If The Board had this big of a problem with Sherry they should have never renewed a contract only to terminate it a few months later with out the membership informed (this sounds like they should be recalled just like Gov. Davis). I can not get time off of my job in the summer to go to the national show and meetings but would like to know if it was ever brought up in the meetings that this board was thinking and then soliciting offers to do this magazine by someone else. They could have taken some control and put a letter in the magazine the lifeblood of HPOCA that is the only reason that this club exist to the extent that it does is because of this great magazine. The cowardly way that this was done is just down right lame to send notification in the mail and not to tell someone in person. I have never known someone to be fired by mail that is just right cowardly. I look forward to the justifications for this and if there are not ones I will do everything possible to see that this board is not reelected!!!!!!!!! So that we can have a board that doesn&#039;t do things in the back room and then hide behind mirrors and will send this to Mr Allen himself.\r\n\r\nThanks for a job well done Sherry,\r\nEric','',0,'','sr6c791j',1,0,'',360,0,0),(1492,405,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1068608135,1,0,1,1,1,0,'yieldmap','Govenor Davis?','Interesting that y&#039;all pass judgement so quickly without knowing the whole story!\r\n\r\nIf we recall the board, I for one hope we get movie stars to run the offices. They&#039;d surely make the right decisions!!  After all, look at what they&#039;ve done to Hollywood.','',0,'','1x2s94s2',1,0,'',3,0,0),(1493,405,3,26,0,'24.171.39.246',1068609753,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','Red tractor','I take full responsibility for the picture of our President on a red tractor.  It was the best picture that I had of him.  I was never sent another one with instructions to change it or I would have.  The red tractor was built by Oliver and I didn&#039;t realize there was a problem.\r\n\r\nAs for the board not feeling relations were improving after Penfield.  I don&#039;t know how they would have known because none of them ever had any contact with me.  Maybe that&#039;s my fault to for not having more interaction with them, but when things seem to be running smoothly, there is no need to contact them.  I did respond to them with a letter stating there was no &amp;quot;relationship&amp;quot; between myself and the candidate for treasurer.  But other than that, there hasn&#039;t even been any communication.   Maybe there should have been on my part but they weren&#039;t ringing my phone either.','',0,'','1bha4gy4',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1494,405,3,362,0,'64.33.233.82',1068617218,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Norm','What issues???','I am wondering what the issues that the board had with Sherry were, and why weren&#039;t the members (the people who keep this &amp;quot;association&amp;quot; going) informed of these problems?','',0,'','2g3lvxkl',1,0,'',362,0,0),(1495,408,3,40,0,'64.12.96.106',1068648172,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','Vote Now','Considering the current hullabaloo, I would recommend everyone send in the ballots that were included with the latest magazine.\r\n\r\nAlthough there is only one candiate for treasurer it appears that Mr. Mike Breckon was willing to run for the office.  They did leave a space for write-ins if anyone would care to.  <!-- s;) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\";)\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s;) -->','',0,'','t8kjrory',1,0,'',40,0,0),(1496,405,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1068650759,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','I hope everyone is seeing the real problem behind this whole issue.  There is now a rift in our fine association.  A BIG one.  This is a wound that will take a long time to heal, and one would think that the board would have at least taken that into consideration.  Right now, you have mass confusion mixed with anger, and a little distrust thrown in to really mess things up.  \r\nTo the board:  I believe you are going to have to offer a little more information than &amp;quot;a long standing list of problems&amp;quot; because to the average member things had never been better than they were before this happened.  I realize that you are trying to avoid slinging mud, but frankly you have driven off in a hell of a mudhole.  Besides that, it looks from Sherry&#039;s post that she might need some of the same questions answered as we all do.','',0,'','d2kg725g',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1497,395,1,363,0,'68.152.9.254',1068655270,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Shep VA','Snow Plow','I dont think Oliver ever built a plow for their tractors, least not that I know of.  I did put a 7 foot snow plow on my 1850 and it is not really that hard.  You should be able to frame something up off the sides of the tractor and put a cylinder out front and make it work.\r\n\r\nGood luck','',0,'','2lyvo8b9',1,0,'',363,0,0),(1498,405,3,67,0,'64.6.2.149',1068661948,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','You are correct, as this is a mess, and no one involved is happy about it.  The board of directors thought long and hard about making this decision.  Details are and should be forthcoming, but not in such a format as to be unprofessional or a character attack on anyone.  As far as releasing details, please know that the contract agreement that we are terminating with Sherry calls for written notice, which has been sent.  It would not be fair to release details to anyone else until after she has had time to receive the required notice.  Had any of us known that she was still present after the board meeting, we would have attempted a notification in person at that time.  I did not know that she had not already left until after the meeting was adjourned and I was then told by others outside that she had just left.  After that, the contract we are abiding by, which was initiated by her, requires notice to be in writing.  At this time, that meeting was only 4 days ago, and it will take a few days for the details to be made available to the membership.','',0,'','345moum2',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1499,409,4,159,0,'65.170.120.147',1068665826,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wiley','Hercules RXC Manifolds','Looking for the Exhaust and Intake Manifolds for a Hercules RXC.\r\nThanks\r\nBill Wiley.','',0,'','oeqd8hha',1,0,'',159,0,0),(1500,405,3,35,0,'198.146.111.210',1068673810,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','editor','I honestly think it is time for the board to admit to a mistake reinstate Sherry and move on before it destroys this organization.\r\nLandis Zimmerman is to be admired for sticking to his principles and voting against Sherrys removal. Seems to me that he would make an excellent president.','',0,'','1b26r97w',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1501,405,3,40,0,'152.163.252.199',1068676461,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Terry: \r\n\r\nI&#039;m now more confused than before.  your post states that at the board meeting (I presume the one on the 8th of Nov) if you&#039;d have known Sherry was still present you would have attempted a notification in person.  A few posts earlier Sherry indicates says that there had been no contact between her and the board since Penfield.\r\n\r\nI realize she is not a member of the board and would not have necessarily attended the meeting.  But, I would like to know where the meeting was held and why by chance the board and she were in the same location at the same time but evidently, if Sherry&#039;s post is correct, not talking to each other.  \r\n\r\nFrom  my point of view, if on Nov 8 the board was still unhappy with her performance as the editor of the magazine and she was in the area it was an opportune time to ask her to &amp;quot;step into the meeting&amp;quot; and discuss matters as they stood at that time.   I will accept what you say about not knowing she had not left and then finding out she had just left so you had to notify her in writing to comply with the contract.  By the way if I were you I would forego further references to the fact she wrote the contract.  After the board accepted it in Penfield it became &amp;quot;the contract&amp;quot; regardless of who wrote it.\r\n\r\nNow even though I accept what you say it is with a big grain of salt.  You should have known this was going to be a big deal and if any of you guys knew she was there you should have busted a gut to make sure you talked to her that day.  That to me would only have been fair, your post sounds a little bit like the board took the easy way out.  Even if she was gone that day you or someone else from the board could probably have asked to meet with her the next day.  As I&#039;m finding out Illinois is not so big that it would take a long time to get from Abingdon, Claremont or N. Henderson to Nokomis.\r\n\r\nI think that this board is the format for notification to the members as to what went on and why you and the rest of the board took the actions you did.  Since only members can post to the board you will only get members inputs and you won&#039;t have a situation like on Yesterdays Tractors.  Then the club can start to &amp;quot;move on&amp;quot; sooner rather than later.  You can even give Sherry an opportunity to state her case at the same time the board&#039;s reasons are posted.  Waiting 2 months will be a disaster public relations wise for the board and the club.','',0,'','3fywnlgj',1,0,'',40,0,0),(1502,408,3,47,0,'67.241.135.147',1068677856,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','According to the bylaws, there can be no write-in votes. So, why waste time doing that.\r\nWhat I suggest is to cool down, and see how this plays out, there is much that will surface given time. So, don&#039;t rush judgement.','',0,'','3i19vzf6',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1503,405,3,366,0,'209.173.42.43',1068678389,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','','I have read all of the above postings and I still haven&#039;t seen the one that lists the offenses. That is all that the members are wanting. Was she given any reprimands on any of these before her contract  was terminated? Seems from what I have read that the only time there has been a problem is now. One ofthe posts says there it will be forthcoming when her ofical notice is recieved. Why not ask if she minds going ahead and telling what the problem is since she obviously already knows she is fired, ( She posted above).\r\n\r\n  I had planned on joining this group but if the membership is not informed any better than this I may have to think twice about it','',0,'','t87l8bi1',1,0,'',366,0,0),(1504,408,3,98,0,'209.51.206.31',1068682836,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletrac1','vote','Why vote ,the board is going to do what they want anyway!!  Why can&#039;t we vote on a editor ?????','',0,'','w008kl6o',1,0,'',98,0,0),(1505,405,3,47,0,'67.241.135.147',1068683167,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Well Y&#039;all, nothing is accomplished unless cool heads prevail. I did lobby our officers, and directors to renew Sherry&#039;s contract, prior to Penfield, as did Luke Rizzuto in the board meeting. Yes, there has been ongoing problems, for some time, but, I thought perhaps everything would quieten down enough to get back on a steady course. Obviously this didn&#039;t happen, for reasons I have learned of, but will not discuss until the President is given breathing room to take care of his duties. My view point before Penfield was, yes, there do exist major problems, but let&#039;s try to work it out, and if not, then other action can be taken. The President must deal with a wide parameter of conditions before making all things known, I can understand this, and his reasoning. It would be appropriate for the President, or his designees to seek alternative suppliers of goods and services, in all things we do. An example would be, on my return flight from the Winter Get Together in California the last time, Sherry, Larry Gay, and myself, were all on the same airplane. This was not by prior arrangement, but circumstance. At that time we all contributed to the magazine. What if Islamic terrorists would have taken over the airplane, and flew it into a major building? Where would that leave HPOCA? Not in a good position. So, even now I believe it is appropriate to have a plan B. It became obvious to me, during some comments made in the board meeting that the liabilities were quickly outweighing the assets of the situation. As my Grandfather Blackwood used to say, &#039;When you have your hand in the lions mouth, work as smoothly and easily as you can to get it out, then don&#039;t put it back again!&#039; I believe those comments had a bearing on how the directors viewed the prospects of a well oiled operation coming to bear fruit. As I was standing out in the parking lot after the meeting, while the exec session was going on, I was discussing certain issues, and how to deal with some needs, with Sherry. I did not know what they were discussing inside, but, if someone would had told me, I would not had been surprised. Of course, I wish things could have turned out differently, but that is in the past, we must now deal with the future. As I told the officers, directors, and members present prior to this exec session, on another issue, our association is wounded, and we need to heal our wounds. We will accomplish this! We have in the past, and we will again! I have always supported our elected officers, when Ollie Schaefer was President, I supported him, when Paul W. Rode, Jr. was President, I supported him, and now that Terry Allen is President, I support him! This does not mean that I always agree on issues, or means to resolve issues, but, a President, or other elected position is due our support and respect, simply because they have the confidence of the majority of the voting members. If you didn&#039;t vote, you have no right complain, if you voted for those in office, you have no right to complain, if you don&#039;t attend functions and contribute to the well being of our association, don&#039;t complain of those who do. Sort of like it is bad manners to complain about farmers with your mouth full!!!','',0,'','3jy0vyum',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1506,410,3,47,0,'67.241.135.147',1068685129,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','Bylaws committee','At the Nov. 8th board meeting I accepted the duty of chairing the Bylaws committee, to revisit our bylaws, and do the normal housekeeping necessary, as well as making necessary changes, deletions, and additions, probably some rearranging, as well as clarifications. Members who have suggestions to improve our bylaws can contact me thru this website, my u2u box, e-mail, <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:tchtiphpoca@hotmail.com\">tchtiphpoca@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->, phone (304) 743-8882 -leave message, or US mail, Andy Blackwood, PO Box 5, Milton, WV 25541, or by contacting any of the following committee members;\r\nAndy Blackwood, Chairman\r\nTerry Allen, Ex-Officio\r\nPaul W. Rode, Jr.\r\nPeter Markowski\r\nLee Smith\r\nWilliam E. Bechthold\r\nAll suggestions will be submitted to the committee for their evaluation, and possible implementation. The bylaws committee will be submitting their report to the general membership, during the Membership Meeting, at the Winter Get Together, at Eden Resort in Lancaster, PA.\r\n\r\nAndy Blackwood\r\nChairman','',0,'','m3z2h906',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1507,408,3,47,0,'67.241.135.147',1068685965,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey cletrac1,\r\nThe reason you can&#039;t vote on an editor is given in the bylaws, and is pretty much standard practice. You will find it under &#039;Board of Directors&#039;, under the heading of &#039;General Powers&#039;. If you could vote for a contract, it would open the door for any group of members deciding to award a contract for anyone they pleased. Since the Board of Directors are charged with overseeing the assets of the corporation, it would be appropriate for them to reserve the exclusive right to award contracts. If &#039;Editor&#039; was an elected position, there could be no monetary compensation, I doubt many would be interested in filling the position.','',0,'','9xdix0e2',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1509,412,1,351,0,'63.156.28.184',1068693541,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jtierney','Need 80RC Wheel Cones','Does anyone have one or two wheel cones for an Oliver 80 row crop cast wheel?','',0,'','3etj1llw',1,0,'',351,0,0),(1510,413,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.132',1068696761,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','explaination of the member status','After reading a post in the HPOCA forum, I think I need to clarify what this forum program defines as a &#039;member&#039;\r\n\r\nA member is someone that has a username and password for this forum. It is not restricted, so anybody on the internet can post here, not just HPOCA members. \r\n\r\nTo verify everybody&#039;s membership status would be an undertaking in and of itself. Plus limiting the board to HPOCA members only does not exactly encourage new people to join our club. \r\n\r\nPlease keep in mind that anybody can read and respond to your posts.  Thanks.','',0,'','1sv6kdi2',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1511,405,3,362,0,'64.33.233.82',1068697458,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Norm','Confused','Andy,\r\nI don&#039;t understand, if you weren&#039;t suprised by Sherry&#039;s termination, why was a majority of the members?  Do we have to be part of the &amp;quot;elite&amp;quot; to know what&#039;s going on in the organization?  Most of the members were unaware that the board was having problems with Sherry.  If you are not an officer, how did you know so much about the situation, when many others didn&#039;t?  I am not trying to instigate problems.  I simply would like to know what is going on.','',0,'','2pgie1b7',1,0,'',362,0,0),(1512,405,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1068698145,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','Norm,\r\n     I know I&#039;m not andy, but maybe I can help you out here a little bit.  I think first off, you should understand that this club has 6000 members.  It would be extremely difficult to keep every one of them informed on every aspect of what is going on in this organization.  I&#039;m going out on a limb to say that for Andy, his knowlege comes from being a chapter president and also being fairly well acquainted with a lot of the board members.  I myself know a lot of what is going on from living near two of the board members.  And on the subject of why didn&#039;t the membership know about the problems with sherry, as far as I&#039;m concerned, it would be very improper to openly discuss the relationship of her and the board just as it would be to discuss openly a relationship with an employer and an employee.  Whatever problems and conflicts there are should be kept between the board and her.  I think it would be to easy for the board to just come out and describe whatever probems there were, but this could be taken as a defamation of character, and I agree with their decision not to do this.  I hope this helps explain a little bit and not to just confuse things further...','',0,'','19bmz5te',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1513,405,3,47,0,'67.241.135.147',1068700861,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Norm,\r\n98dba is correct. I am a chapter President, as such one of my obligations is to attend board meetings, to give the board some insight as to their relationship with my chapter on various issues. Being a very active member, I stay current on many things the average member would not. I do not get to attend exec sessions. This does not surprise me, due to the difficulty lobbying prior to Penfield, after which I called a director who is extremely close to Sherry and told him there shouldn&#039;t be any more fires started. This is a volunteer organization, any member can help out, and is encouraged to do so. I have participated from day one, by the encouragement of Bob Tallman. In doing so, I have developed some very close friendships, one of which is Sherry, among many others. The one thing I will stress though is, one should be able to separate friends and issues. I can argue issues with anyone, very adamantly, then go have dinner and a few beers with them afterwards, and never think of the issues. One should not think of those who work endless hours, and travel thousands of miles a year in service to our organization as being &#039;elite&#039;, they are just dedicated to a common goal of improving our organization for all of us. By the way, would you like to volunteer, then someone might call you &#039;elite&#039; just because you work for free.','',0,'','3iar58x2',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1514,405,3,362,0,'64.33.233.82',1068702287,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Norm','thanks','Andy,\r\nI would like to thank you for clarifying, as I stated before, I wasn&#039;t trying to cause problems, I just wanted a better understanding of everything.','',0,'','1k6czede',1,0,'',362,0,0),(1515,405,3,47,0,'67.241.135.147',1068703445,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Norm,\r\nYou are welcome, I&#039;m glad to be of service to you!!! Hope to see you at the National Farm Machinery Show in Louisville, KY, if you have spare time, we will have folks to talk to, some might even want some merchandise, and then maybe I will be able to see you at the Winter Get Together, in Lancaster, PA','',0,'','2fxfaw3y',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1516,414,3,26,0,'216.176.88.253',1068703565,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','The Trucking Bill','There seems to be quite a bit of confusion over the trucking bill to haul No. 3 to Penfield.  To clarify things, here are the charges:\r\n$789.81 - This bill was from Palmer Leasing to rent a self-containted detachable trailer from July 8-10 which traveled 488 miles.  Schaefer Trucking does not have access to a trailer of this type, so one had to be rented.  This is the actual cost paid to Palmer.\r\n\r\n$488 - This is for the 588 miles traveled for this trip which amounts to 83 cents per mile.  (Leave Greenville, go to St. Louis for trailer, back to Greenville to pick up No. 3, go to Penfield, back to St. Louis to return trailer then back to Greenville.)\r\n\r\n$204 - This is the amount paid to the truck driver that made the trip of 588 miles at a rate of 34.7 cents per mile.  \r\n\r\nTotal amount paid directly to Schaefer Trucking for 588 miles - $692 or $1.17 per running mile.\r\n\r\nReciepts available upon request.  618-664-3050','',0,'','17kdnmrh',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1517,405,3,362,0,'64.33.233.82',1068703608,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Norm','','Andy,\r\nSorry, I won&#039;t be able to attend either of those events, I would love to, but I do not have the monetary resources to do so, and school kind of gets in the way too.','',0,'','ix5wmwka',1,0,'',362,0,0),(1520,414,3,47,0,'65.238.36.243',1068706586,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Let&#039;s see if I understand this correctly, a motor carrier does not have the equipment to make a haul, yet commits to the haul? A straight line haul of 160 miles or less, and charges for 588 miles, plus drivers wages, and trailer rental, which are normally included in the rate, and still ends up with $1.17 per mile? Is this correct? If so, I am in the wrong end of the business, as I must provide my customers with a trailer, a truck, protection of their freight from the elements, and drive the truck, no customer pays deadhead, for only about 8 cents per mile more, and often in todays market am glad to get it. Yet, my business is profitable. If I don&#039;t have the equipment to make the haul, I simply refuse the load, and leave it for someone who is qualified. On a 160 mile haul I could see about $600, hauling for minimum rate, nothing more, as there are many GSA approved motor carriers who would jump on it. Now, with that said, would you be so kind to explain for our information what the $1,481.71 entry on the July trucking expense sheet is all about? Might had been cheaper to Fedex it!','',0,'','ow4ng2u1',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1521,415,1,317,0,'66.82.9.16',1068723721,1,0,1,1,1,0,'klinebauer','carburator floats','I am in need of some floats for zenith carbs used on the 35 to 37 Oliver/HartParr 70s, can anyone help with info.  Thanks','',0,'','1148z9y6',1,0,'',317,0,0),(1522,414,3,363,0,'68.152.9.254',1068742494,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Shep VA','','I agree, I would like to see some more on this bill as well.  I can&#039;t believe that with a membership of over 6,000 that a HPOCA member somewhere would not have nearly donated the transportation of this tractor.  I cant understand why we had to pay that much just for transportation. \r\n\r\nI know I have road tractors and equipment trailers on my farm and if #3 would have been going somewhere near me, or if someone would have asked, I would have gladly hauled it for just the fuel cost just because I am a member and like messing with old tractors.  I think a lot of us haul tractors around to pulls and shows for nothing all the time.\r\n\r\nI can see why now the board was not wanting to pay that bill, if I had hired them to move a tractor for me I would not have wanted to pay that much either.  \r\n\r\nSorry but with the information you have provided and the artical that was printed, this just sounds like a bad business decision to me.  \r\n\r\nMaybe we need to hear some more of the story.','',0,'','uhigd2vh',1,0,'',363,0,0),(1523,414,3,372,0,'68.76.242.110',1068743074,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','The trucking Bill','Are we to understand that Sherry was fired for supposedly spending maybe $1000 too much to transport the oldest farm tractor in the US?','',0,'','yhdh9erg',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1524,414,3,26,0,'216.176.88.191',1068745445,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','Sherry','Keep in mind that this is the Smithsonian&#039;s tractor.  This is a not your neighbor&#039;s farm tractor and the Smithsonian is not going to let just anyone haul their artifacts.  There was a lot of paperwork that had to be done in order to even move that tractor including a background check of the trucking company.  The Smithsonian decides who hauls the tractor, when, where and how and they also pay the bill.  This is what apparently has not been fully explained to the HPOCA members.  The HPOCA is merely acting as the bank for the Smithsonian&#039;s money.  No organization is allowed to profit financially off of the Smithsonian.  The toy concept was our way of funding the restoration.  Yes, the HPOCA did fund the building of the toy.  But when all of the toys are sold, the HPOCA has recooped all of its cost of the toy and there is approximately $34,000 left over.  That $34,000 profit more than covers the cost of the No. 3 project.  There will probably even be $4,000 surplus, depending on final shipping cost to buyers.  Since we are not allowed to profit off this toy, the balance has to be returned to the Smithsonian or given to I&amp;amp;I for further care of No. 3.\r\n\r\nYes, a load of freight could have been hauled cheaper, but this was not your typical frieght.  Once all the toys are sold, this will not cost the HPOCA one cent and Schaefer Trucking did not &amp;quot;profit&amp;quot; off this trip.  He would have made more money if he&#039;d have stayed home and hauled grain.','',0,'','3czqmmju',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1526,393,1,373,0,'209.143.37.160',1068747748,1,0,1,1,1,0,'olivermike','','do you still have the wide front?','',0,'','3nzyper6',1,0,'',373,0,0),(1527,414,3,26,0,'216.176.88.186',1068755517,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','Amen!','I could not have summed it up any better myself.','',0,'','uno4kst2',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1528,416,5,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1068760381,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','Test','Just testing my avatar folks','',0,'','6g26t9a3',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1529,414,3,98,0,'209.51.206.57',1068762443,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletrac1','Bill','If the bill for trucking such a problem why didn&#039;t some body ask a price before it was hauled? When I don&#039;t know something I ask first ,or shut up and learn for the next time ? But I&#039;m just a dumb farm boy.','',0,'','223nd3sw',1,0,'',98,0,0),(1530,415,1,238,0,'205.188.208.43',1068767065,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','carb floiats','I get all my rebuild kits at Maibach tractor\r\n1 800 808 9934. I don&#039;t know about floats, but they have always had all the carb parts i needed.  Hope this helps, good luck, Larry','',0,'','iuapirz2',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1531,416,5,238,0,'205.188.209.42',1068767724,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','avatarTake 2 asprins','Take 2 asprins, if it dosen&#039;t feel better in the morning, give me a call!!!\r\n                                      LOL Larry\r\n                          alias (Dr. Quack)','',0,'','2vlcp7gd',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1532,408,3,116,0,'63.173.216.168',1068769280,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','voting','it is sad that an organization with over 6000  members could only get about 10% to vote in last years election.\r\n Andy had some good ideas for the club if he would have gotten elected, i guess everyone was satisfied with job being done at that time. it&#039;s a whole new ballgame now.\r\n  <!-- s:o --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif\" alt=\":o\" title=\"Surprised\" /><!-- s:o -->\r\n                                  Todd Kline','',0,'','2oojicwy',1,0,'',116,0,0),(1533,417,1,370,0,'65.163.66.114',1068776165,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','Super99 GM','Does anyone have one of these for sale in the Colorado area? thanks Michael A','',0,'','2yyl3vii',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1534,414,3,374,0,'152.163.252.199',1068778303,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Cookieoliverman','AMEN! AMEN!\r\nThanks Bob! Would like to thank the member that also posted the response at oliverinformation.com/no3.htm\r\nIt certainly helps alot to understand a little more from this information than the smoke signals sent by the others.Still don&#039;t think that Sherry should be holding the bag for others involved with very poor decision-making.Could&#039;ve been resolved many other ways it seems....prior to this....AND THE CLUB MEMBERS MADE AWARE!!!.Ed Brandt','',0,'','2057brje',1,0,'',374,0,0),(1535,414,3,63,0,'207.40.148.36',1068812852,1,0,1,1,1,0,'550buff','','There is a lot of jealousy on this whole project, right down to the last grit.\r\n\r\nAndy, knowing you are in the trucking business, Are you jealous or............can&#039;t think of anything else.\r\n\r\n\r\nFellow members, had we known that this whole project would do so much damage, I agree with Mr. Cook, It should have never been within arms length of HPOCA.\r\n\r\nHow can we ever have another peaceful show with so many people pi$$ed off at each other? I think the board better get their stuff together before this ruins a totally great organization which already has some major props knocked out:(','',0,'','uh2082wl',1,0,'',63,0,0),(1536,406,6,35,0,'68.210.85.96',1068817223,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Gibson','Just happen to think of an article on gGibsons in July-Aug. Antique Power. The man to contact is Jim Stengel at 303-484-7231 or <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:jmstengel@juno.com\">jmstengel@juno.com</a><!-- e --> I have been looking at a Farmall Cub but felt guilty so it solid Oliver folks will get a Gibson I think I will get the Cub.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->:D','',0,'','1sh33khd',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1537,417,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1068829430,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','I dont know of any offhand, but keep looking.  You are in the right part of the country...most of the big tractors like that were out west...Montana, Dakotas, plains states.  Good luck.','',0,'','1kyt22q8',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1538,406,6,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1068829675,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Thanks Frank;)','',0,'','humja3cz',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1539,406,6,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1068829808,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Oh, and Frank...go ahead and get the Cub.  Just dont get carried away on that red business!:P','',0,'','ie9runwm',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1540,416,5,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1068829889,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','heh heh, wary funny wary funny','',0,'','2j87t6uy',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1541,418,4,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1068829993,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','DD weight?','Hey Andy...or anybody?  Dad bought a DD (I think) a long time ago and we have never hauled it home...\r\nWhat does it weigh?  Approx?','',0,'','26ikykmx',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1542,376,2,378,0,'209.152.81.2',1068842263,1,0,1,1,1,0,'hoov','Hart Parr radiator','Hi Kiwi\r\nYour radiator casting number should be 13001B. This is the New Zealand special radiator tank part number for a 18-36 Hart Parr.The first tractor that had this castng is tractor number 28851 which was made in 1927. 18-36 production ended in 1930. Good luck. Hope ypu find the rest of the tractor.','',0,'','gf5rvark',1,0,'',378,0,0),(1543,419,1,159,0,'65.170.120.147',1068845252,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wiley','Hyd Pump for RC 88','Looking for a good used hydraulic pump for my RC 88. \r\nAny help locating one will be greatly appreciated.\r\nThanks\r\nBill Wiley\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:chiefwiley391@yahoo.com\">chiefwiley391@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','2qsmrwr9',1,0,'',159,0,0),(1544,394,1,354,0,'206.9.80.3',1068854140,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Charles Russell','','My 1963 770 is a loader with bucket. As soon as it becomes spring next year, I plan on rebuilding the hydraulics. There is a slow leak. I have the only 770 around for miles...literally. I thoroughly enjoy my 770. Think I did rather well for my first tractor. Now if I can just get the hang of working on it.','',0,'','14y6u38h',1,0,'',354,0,0),(1545,420,1,379,0,'69.19.0.1',1068856447,1,0,1,1,1,0,'mariaksell','help with oliver parts','','',0,'0','2rs9vmc5',1,0,'',379,0,0),(1546,414,3,360,0,'198.77.42.116',1068859164,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','This could not be a better post. If the board is too dumb to understand how it is to work for the government and then complain about the billing after working for them then they deserve to resign. This is probally the most expensive tractor in the world today and if it were destroyed in transit how would you ever replace it and that to me makes this tractor priceless and that is why the smith has demend such a high standard for working on it. The backround checks and all the other paper work involved in this. The 12hr that was charged for this I am supprised that this was allowed for the Mechanics that worked on this considering that this was a government piece and when you do government work you normally have to pay scale wages and I am sure that 12 dollars would not meet scale and also is 30000 dollars to much to preserve the first tractor in the world that just happens to be made by a company that is in the initials of our club. I know that there are a lot of tractors out there that if you figured up the time that it to that could approch this figure and I am sure that there are collectors out there that have payed this much to have a restoration done on one of there old tractors. This is a priceless icon that I am glad was restored and seems to me that the people running this club are getting mad over something that they odviously can&#039;t understand and maybe they should not be running the club as there are supposedly requriment for treasurer there should be for the other officers as well. I have not been priviy to anything but the conversations on these boards but can understand the cost involved here when working for the government and consider that we got off cheap at 30000 and as a member think that this is money well spent on a priceless icon of our clubs history. Eric','',0,'','df7t9qpj',1,0,'',360,0,0),(1547,419,1,5,0,'216.166.193.66',1068868174,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Hyd pump','Wiley, any tractor salvage yard would probably have one. As an alternative to that, find some tractor pullers in your area that pull 77, 88, S77 or S88, or 770 or 880. All these pumps are the same and the pullers usually take them out to get their weight down. I wouldn&#039;t give much for one untill I had the chance to open it up to see what the insides looked like. The center plate alone is about $210 and has a tendancy to crack often. When I was working on mine,I got 6 pumps with only 2 good center plates. Good luck. Jim Thurnau','',0,'','1j14eym6',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1548,407,1,370,0,'199.45.178.37',1068871823,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','Check <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.tonystractors.com\">www.tonystractors.com</a><!-- w -->. His new are around $500. I hope this helps. Michael A','',0,'','1fhkv8me',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1549,375,1,370,0,'199.45.178.37',1068871986,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','There is a Cummins repower kit for older machinery. I put a 4cyl Cummins in a F3, and a M3 Gleaner. Michael A','',0,'','22tuqa68',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1550,374,1,370,0,'199.45.178.37',1068872200,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','I believe there is a screw somewhere on the injection pump that will allow you to turn the pump up and you will get more power.','',0,'','nafamin4',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1551,414,3,366,0,'209.173.42.41',1068876929,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','','I have been reading this thread and the others here and on YTMAG trying like everyone else to figure out what is going on. Nearas I can tell Sherry wasn&#039;t fired because the board/club spent too much money on the #3 restoration. Don&#039;t quite see how she can be resposible for that since as faras I know she isn&#039;t the treasurer. \r\n  I read on one of the posts that one possible reason was that she printed a letter to the editor about the restoration and the money involved and that according to the board? it shouldn&#039;t have been allowed in that particular part of the magazine because it is supposed to be for tractor information.\r\n\r\n  I feel that if the letter had information that pertains to the club then it would be natural to print it in the club magazine. Thats what it is published for right? For the members to get info from?  If the board goes by that logic then it would appear ( an from all I have read alot of members do take it this way) that the board is trying to hide something. Heck it would actually make more sense to post the letter there where generally only the memebers will read about it that it is to post it on the Web where everyone can read it. \r\n\r\n I stated in one post a couple of days ago that if there were these (on-going issues ) with Sherrys job performance are there any reprimands or grievences ( for lack of a better word ) on file in the board meeting minutes or records? If there are and nothing was resolved then I can understand a little better why she was let go. If however there is nothing there I would think the board might want to re-think their decision. \r\n\r\n Also one person asked what the $1400+ on the copy of the shipping bill is. That looks to be the rent of the trailer and the milage added together.  Could be wrong on that as I haven&#039;t seen a copy of the bill but it adds up. \r\n\r\n  I do have to agree though that even as a soon to be member I would have been proud to donate my time and truck to haul #3. However since this is not just any tractor I wouldn&#039;t have wanted to be responsible for its safety and as someone else said ,Smithsonian decided who hauled it. Since my company ships alot of parts I can say that most of the time you ship on who they tell you to. It&#039;s their tractor so they decide. if I owned something worth that much I sure wouldn&#039;t want anyone else telling me who to use to ship on and who not to. \r\n\r\n  Sherry, are you going to post a copy of the letter on this forum when you get it? I am assuming that you will as all these folks are backing you big time! I am curious also as I have read a friends magazines and think you do a great job and amaze me at times with the amount of knowlege of Oliver equipment that you have. If it is over the posting of this letter I think they are wrong, a reprimand if they want to do something but not this.','',0,'','2zpipnq1',1,0,'',366,0,0),(1552,406,6,366,0,'209.173.42.41',1068877482,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','in your area','Funny you should mention the front ends of Gibsons being weak as the first on I ever saw was sitting in someones yard on Highway # before you get into Chester Il. it had rear wheels and tires and the front ws sitting on blocks! Weird the little things you remember and think of as humourous huh? \r\n\r\n Oh I read where your from. I live right smack in between ya&#039;ll in Dresden, Tn.  Frank, you were at Atwood with a 550 I think?  You did hear about Billy McKnight dieing in a car wreck didn&#039;t you?  bad to hear as he was a really good fella. Had the JD D at Atwood and talked from the time he got there till after he left <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','2scsw50t',1,0,'',366,0,0),(1553,406,6,35,0,'68.210.85.96',1068904877,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Billy','You are right that I do have the 550 and also the 75 lawn tractor. I have a lot of fun at the Atwood show. The tractor collecting community of West TN has had a rough year. First Bill Belue who had several tractors at Atwood died suddenly July 5th. You may remember he usually had the JD LI and the 2N with the steel bolt ons. Second Junior Maness was burned critically in Sept. and is still at the Med. He may be transferred to Jackson General by months end. He usually showed the AC G, Farmall F12 and a MM. Now we have lost Billy. All these people meant  a lot to West TN collectors. I hope and pray that Junior will be able to get back to showing. Billy had a neat rig with the pedal tractors bolted on top of the trailer.','',0,'','mklc2k9k',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1554,414,3,259,0,'67.29.214.61',1068914537,1,0,1,1,1,1,'OliverEducation','','I just wanted to thank those who sacrificed and spent the time and effort to restore an important icon of our American agricultural history.  I was proud of the entire HPOCA and those involved in restoring the #3 and it was an impressive sight at Penfield to behold.  \r\n\r\nRegardless of the hurt feelings, feuds and bickering, this was a very important task that needed to be undertaken.  The Smithsonian would have never had the resources or money (most museums, regardless of size, are financially crippled because of the current economic climate) to spend on a tractor they don&#039;t have the space (or want) to display.\r\n\r\nSo, from the HPOCA President all the way down to the average due-paying member who doesn&#039;t have an Oliver tractor to restore, but loves those Oliver Hart-Parr&#039;s anyway, I say thank you for allowing me the opportunity to view the Hart-Parr No. 3!  When would I ever have the opportunity to see it if someone hadn&#039;t said, &amp;quot;let&#039;s restore this thing for history&#039;s sake&amp;quot;?\r\n\r\nThank you all.','',0,'','2g3zmyyx',1,0,'',259,0,0),(1555,421,3,372,0,'66.11.109.139',1068914744,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','So where are we now on the mess with Sherry?','I have been doing a slow burn on all this but have chosen not to fully express my harsher opinions until we hear more information.  Sherry, am I correct in assuming that you will post the relevant portions of the LETTER when it comes?\r\n    As several others have posted, when dealing with the government one plays strictly by government rules.  Anyone who thinks otherwise is too inexperinced to have a position of responsibility.  If the HPOCA board thought that the HPOCA was going to be in charge of that restoration other than paying for it, if they thought that just anybody was going to load and haul No3, if they thought that volunteers were going to work on No3, then they have not worked with the government before.  Come on people this was not 1000 bushels of corn being hauled.  It was not the neighbors yard tractor that was being worked on.  This was not the annual church work day.\r\n   I would have loved to work on No3 myself but thank heaven the Smithsonian would not let me.  That is not a slap at you guys who are better mechanics than me, but to the point of this is a special national heirloom machine that but a few have the experience and facilities to work on.\r\n   It has also occurred to me that the membership could choose to make the upcoming election for VP a referendum on the Board.  Either way that would be the clearest of messages.\r\n   Its time that the facts come out!!','',0,'','3n6cywz8',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1556,421,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1068929338,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','Since everyone seems to offer up their two cents on all these recent events, I think I&#039;m going to do the same.\r\n     There has been a lot of controversy on this trucking bill...  and I still have a couple concerns.  The first is why was it necessary to go to the way all to St. Louis to rent a trailer?  I find it very hard to believe that there wasn&#039;t one to be found in the locality of Greenville.  Also, the bill is for $789.81 for trailer rental.  I find this a very high rental rate for two days.   I understand that part of this bill was for damages to the trailer.  If this is so, why is the club liable for damages incurred that the driver should have prevented?  And I am wondering why it is John and Sherry trying to explain all of this when it was Ollie that hauled #3.  Don&#039;t get me wrong Sherry, I understand it is only natural to defend family when they are questioned as he has been, but I think these facts should come from the source since I don&#039;t believe you to be at fault for what Ollie decided to charge.  I have heard some people saying that since this tractor is special comodity, that no expense should be spared to move it.  The only problem is that in the breakdown of the trucking bill, no where is it listed that any of the prices are due to to insurance, security, etc...  Sherry made the statement that the club is not out any money due to the fundraising of the #3 toy.  I would beg to differ.  That statement sounds like &amp;quot;Hey here is the set amount of money available to restore this tractor, lets make sure our billing meets that amount.&amp;quot;  No one has seemed to think that if there was money left over for the tractor, that it could be a number of different donations relating to the tractor alone.  As I stated earlier, Sherry and John shouldn&#039;t be taking the fire for this trucking bill, but since both of you have made the decision to defend and explain it, that puts you into the line of fire of those questioning it.','',0,'','2hxfrhxo',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1557,422,1,254,0,'199.224.87.84',1068932783,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','1610 oliver loder','I found a oliver 1610 loder in the salvage yard they whant $750 for it . I have no need for it would any body intrested in it ? it is off os a super or a tripel digit tractor .i don&#039;t know if all  the frame is there or not .if intrested let me know .\r\nSlim','',0,'','1w5tjm57',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1558,393,1,351,0,'63.156.28.93',1068933550,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jtierney','','I believe Terry is interested in the front-end.  If he changes his mind, I will re-post it.  \r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nJames','',0,'','20z9zznq',1,0,'',351,0,0),(1559,423,1,144,0,'169.207.134.195',1068934507,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','pto belt pulley','I&#039;m looking for a pto mounted belt pulley assembly for a oliver 770 tractor, anybody know of one for sale?','',0,'','1q0n9tie',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1560,424,4,381,0,'206.176.198.53',1068935638,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nailcreek','What&#039;s the difference between an HG and OC-3??','I&#039;m likely to come into possession of a Oliver tractor and am wondering whether it&#039;s an HG or an OC-3. \r\n\r\nAlso any suggestions as to where to get manuals, parts, etc ... and places or people to help get it running again!\r\n\r\nThanks ... <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:nailcreek@hotmail.com\">nailcreek@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','1h3xsl5f',1,0,'',381,0,0),(1561,425,1,382,0,'216.135.21.84',1068936513,1,0,1,0,1,0,'1943gb','Oliver 70 waterpump','Where can I get a 70 oliver standard waterpump kit or someone to rebuild one?','',0,'','3n4ymihz',1,0,'',382,0,0),(1562,424,4,82,0,'216.106.56.101',1068946118,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','','I believe the tractor is an HG.  I say this because the front idlers on the tracks are the ones with the flanges on the inside of the track.  There should be a serial # tag on the side of the right hand frame rail where it meets the final drive housing.  You will want to become acquainted with Landis Zimmerman and the other people at Zimmerman Oliver- Cletrac in Ephrata, PA\r\nHis phone number is (717)738-2573.  He has lots of knowledge on these old crawlers and has parts and manuals and other things you will need for working on this crawler','',0,'','2mkk4mac',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1563,414,3,47,0,'65.238.36.111',1069009913,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','Re: 550buff','No, 550buff,\r\nI am not in the least jealous, why should I be, I don&#039;t own the type of equipment to make such a haul. If you noticed I stated that if I don&#039;t have the equipment, I will turn the load down. My last count, several years ago, there was approx. 375,000 motor carrier in the US, surely some of them do have the proper equipment, and haul on a regular basis for Smithsonian. I know several that have this qualification, If you travel much, you have a good chance of seeing them. These carriers charge market rate, have other customers in many areas, so equipment availability is not a factor, and meet all customer requirements. Why pay a truck to travel from Greenville, IL, to Washington, DC empty, when one of equal or better qualifications can be found in the Baltimore-Washington area who would charge a backhaul rate to get off the east coast, which is considered a &#039;consumer&#039; area. Which means they consume more than they produce, which creates an excess of empty trucks, and a shortage of loads. Thus cost less. And these motor carriers are not grain haulers, making a one time haul, their specialty is hauling extremely valuable machinery.\r\nWhy shouldn&#039;t we utilize the most qualified, and cost effective means?','',0,'','3t47qh7l',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1564,414,3,47,0,'65.238.36.111',1069010590,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','[quote][i:32dukgxs]Originally posted by sherry[/i:32dukgxs]\r\nKeep in mind that this is the Smithsonian&#039;s tractor.  This is a not your neighbor&#039;s farm tractor and the Smithsonian is not going to let just anyone haul their artifacts.  There was a lot of paperwork that had to be done in order to even move that tractor including a background check of the trucking company.  The Smithsonian decides who hauls the tractor, when, where and how and they also pay the bill.  This is what apparently has not been fully explained to the HPOCA members.  The HPOCA is merely acting as the bank for the Smithsonian&#039;s money.  No organization is allowed to profit financially off of the Smithsonian.  The toy concept was our way of funding the restoration.  Yes, the HPOCA did fund the building of the toy.  But when all of the toys are sold, the HPOCA has recooped all of its cost of the toy and there is approximately $34,000 left over.  That $34,000 profit more than covers the cost of the No. 3 project.  There will probably even be $4,000 surplus, depending on final shipping cost to buyers.  Since we are not allowed to profit off this toy, the balance has to be returned to the Smithsonian or given to I&amp;amp;I for further care of No. 3.\r\n\r\nYes, a load of freight could have been hauled cheaper, but this was not your typical frieght.  Once all the toys are sold, this will not cost the HPOCA one cent and Schaefer Trucking did not &amp;quot;profit&amp;quot; off this trip.  He would have made more money if he&#039;d have stayed home and hauled grain. \r\nIf Smithsonian pays the bill why is HPOCA getting the bill for this project? If the toy tractors are going to pay for this project, then why is HPOCA getting billed, and all this pressure before the toys are sold? It seems to me that some people don&#039;t have much faith in what they assure the members will produce the financing, otherwise, why make demands on the generosity of the members general funds!!!','',0,'IA==','32dukgxs',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1565,418,4,47,0,'65.238.36.111',1069011219,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','12,398 pounds standard weight, options, fuel, antifreeze, oil, etc., add to that. I figure on my DDH with all options, and 6 way Heil 10&#039; blade 17,000 pounds. Hope this helps you out.','',0,'IA==','2tocg7e9',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1566,424,4,47,0,'65.238.36.111',1069011718,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','No doubt this is a HG, 1948 or earlier, scrape around and see if it had any orange paint, if so, it would be prior to November 1945, when they changed to green. Is the grill there? in 1946 there was a change made to the center strip, it was widened to about 2&amp;quot; or so for the new &#039;Oliver&#039; decal, 1945 and back had a center strip about 3/4&amp;quot; wide.','',0,'IA==','20yaorf2',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1568,426,1,383,0,'216.78.63.89',1069023949,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bert51','part suppliers for row cop  70','Can any one tell me of a good parts supplier for the 70 Row Crop? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks','',0,'IA==','28vft4i0',1,0,'',383,0,0),(1569,414,3,47,0,'65.238.36.123',1069029295,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Bob,\r\nI can think of another good word,&#039;manipulation&#039;.','',0,'IA==','1q8t6m2x',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1570,414,3,372,0,'66.11.110.143',1069032082,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','Andy&#039;s attitude','Andy,\r\n   If you have any real facts about Sherry behaving dishonorably with HPOCA funds then lets hear them.  If not we have already  heard a ton from you on second guessing people who actually accomplished a good thing.  If you don&#039;t like the way Scheafer trucking or the Smithsonian  handled something, why don&#039;t you take it up with them.','',0,'IA==','16licedw',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1571,421,3,26,0,'204.119.21.6',1069035712,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','','I will try and answer a few questions tonight.  I doubt if Sherry will ever post the letter she recieved as it will not accomplish anything.  She will have to keep her month taped shut for 60 days as she hasn&#039;t recieced her final compensation under the terms of the letter.  She told me her money was being held for that length of time.\r\n There was 3 days rental plus a mileage charge on the trailer.  The damage you spoke of was to the flooring.  In order to center #3 on the trailer appearently the skid rings followed a joint in the flooring.  It was tongue and groove and split one edge.  They charged quite a bit for replacing the damaged flooring.\r\n  I  was the one that assembled the billings each month therefore nobody knows the billings better than I do. I guess that is why I am concerned about them.  \r\nNow if I can post this I am through talking.\r\nJohn W. Tichenor','',0,'IA==','3cjyomyw',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1572,414,3,88,0,'67.74.247.91',1069036122,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','As I read all of this, 2 things come to mind. First, can anyone say Sherry did NOT do a good job as editor of the magazine? I haven&#039;t read any complaints about her work. Second, this seems to be an internal problem with the board and the money spent on the project, so tell me did Sherry have any control over the money? I&#039;m sure she did not, so why is she getting fired over this?????? I think the membership of HPOCA are the victims here, they had nothing to say about the firing of the editor, and I&#039;m sure the vast majority were happy with her work. In my opinion, the magazine is great, and I wish it would continue the way it has been. It looks to me like the board is NOT representing the membership as they should. At least they could give us the REAL reason for this, instead of the lack of answers, it makes it look like a political scandal, which it is not.','',0,'IA==','2qhaq0yg',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1573,427,1,384,0,'209.176.193.78',1069036641,1,0,1,1,1,0,'KeithVP','Super 88 diesel battery','I recently acquired a 1954 Super 88 diesel.  It has a homemade battery holder with a single 12 volt battery. Did it originally have two 6 volt batteries?  If so, how many amps and what case dimension?  Also, which setup is the best?','',0,'IA==','30kcpngp',1,0,'',384,0,0),(1574,428,3,82,0,'216.106.56.49',1069037040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','Magazine','Has anybody received their November-December issue of the magazine yet?','',0,'IA==','1cqcl74n',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1575,428,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1069038676,1,0,1,1,1,0,'yieldmap','yes','Yes, I received mine early last week.','',0,'IA==','2r81efo6',1,0,'',3,0,0),(1576,426,1,353,0,'68.75.90.158',1069041750,1,0,1,1,1,0,'super55owner','','Try Korvesoliver.com or Smittys tractor parts 1-330-832-9792 or minnkota repair.com or <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.ricksagriparts.com\">www.ricksagriparts.com</a><!-- w --> or <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.steinertractor.com\">www.steinertractor.com</a><!-- w -->  Good luck!','',0,'IA==','2fw41wga',1,0,'',353,0,0),(1577,425,1,353,0,'68.75.90.158',1069041950,1,0,1,1,1,0,'super55owner','','Try <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.korvesoliver.com\">www.korvesoliver.com</a><!-- w --> they are very helpful','',0,'IA==','1benl8xe',1,0,'',353,0,0),(1578,420,1,353,0,'68.75.90.158',1069042055,1,0,1,1,1,0,'super55owner','','What are you looking for? try <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.korvesoliver.com\">www.korvesoliver.com</a><!-- w --> they are very helpful','',0,'IA==','13qc0top',1,0,'',353,0,0),(1579,403,1,353,0,'68.75.90.158',1069042379,1,0,1,1,1,0,'super55owner','','try <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.korvesoliver.com\">www.korvesoliver.com</a><!-- w --> or Zimmerman oliver- cletrac 1-717-738-2573 or <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.ricksagriparts.com\">www.ricksagriparts.com</a><!-- w --> or <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.steinertractor.com\">www.steinertractor.com</a><!-- w --> Good Luck!','',0,'IA==','1uf1vtqg',1,0,'',353,0,0),(1580,428,3,35,0,'68.210.85.96',1069044101,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','magazine','I haven&#039;t received mine yet. I thought that the board may have voted not to send mine.<!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->:mad:','',0,'IA==','2vxguhsd',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1581,429,3,35,0,'68.210.85.96',1069044386,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','TN members','I would appreciate it if the Tennessee site users would U2U so I can get some idea as to TN folks interested in this association and Oliver tractors.\r\nThanks:D','',0,'IA==','1enfq5dz',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1582,414,3,47,0,'65.238.36.208',1069072393,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Westville1,\r\nWhen have I ever said Sherry&#039;s termination was a money issue? It was a respect and communication issue. Who is it that is bringing up this issue? Not me! I am just answering the question, and expressing my opinion, which I have a right to do so, determined by a 1973 US Supreme Court decision. This is just another attempt to manipulate you and the other members. In the US Army we called it &#039;smoke and mirrors&#039;, while everyone is discussing the termination, she throws up the trucking bill on a tractor, nothing to do with the issue, something completely different, a distraction, to get relief from the facts, smoke and mirrors!! So don&#039;t you dare try to throw blame my way, I am the one who knows how to keep my issues separate!!! I hope to see you at the Winter Get Together at Eden Resort in Lancaster, PA.','',0,'IA==','wpic13xo',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1583,414,3,47,0,'65.238.36.208',1069072928,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Doug_424,\r\nIt would be better if you are able to separate the issues, don&#039;t be deceived, or manipulated into combining unrelated issues into one, you will only get a false image. As to the quality of the magazine, let&#039;s wait and see, we may be pleasantly surprised. The rework of a past issue done by our new publisher looked nothing short of absolutely fantastic. I hope to see you at the Winter Get Together at Eden Resort in Lancaster, PA.','',0,'IA==','3msyrqag',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1584,428,3,47,0,'65.238.36.208',1069073394,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','No Frank,\r\nThe issue of your magazine wasn&#039;t brought up, you will still get it, we don&#039;t live in Cuba, or China, anywhere like that. You can talk here.','',0,'IA==','3s1acsbk',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1585,429,3,47,0,'65.238.36.208',1069073558,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Why not let everyone in on the secret? Post it! Otherwise it gives the impression of conspiracy!!!','',0,'IA==','yh8lqn7w',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1586,429,3,35,0,'68.210.85.96',1069075791,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Conspiracy!!','Some folks may need to read before they talk! For a year or so I have thought trying to start an association in TN and this is one way to do it. Please read my post CAREFULLY. I may ask these people what they think of this mess. I think you know my position but if you don&#039;t let me state it. I think the CONSPIRACY is with the board and they have hurt this organization.','',0,'IA==','8on79ash',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1587,428,3,35,0,'68.210.85.96',1069076195,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','magazine','What are you talking about? I have been talking. While I am talking it seems to me that you know a lot about the board actions and why Sherry was fired when most of the members can&#039;t get anything out of the board. I just have to bring this up wasn&#039;t it you complaining at Penfield about the boards action on bringing the show to Penfield?','',0,'IA==','2kmr1nmt',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1588,428,3,35,0,'206.23.241.166',1069080745,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','magazine','I need to clarify the last post. I didn&#039;t mean an association for TN but a HPOCA chapter.','',0,'IA==','r42889tw',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1589,430,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1069086590,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','my my my','<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( --> Well, it&#039;s happening...everyone is starting to bicker and argue back and forth.  This board was one of the few that I had seen that was free of that stuff until this mess happened.  C&#039;mon everybody...lets cheer up and get back to being friends...nothing is going to change what has happened...lets just put it behind us and move on.  \r\nHere...maybe this will work....*the sound of a Super 99 with the throttle cracked open* hey that got a smile\r\nThe sight of a row of Fleetlines as long as you can see at the summer show....ahhh now its getting better....\r\nThat project in the barn waiting for you.....there you go...see....its all better now.  Tractors! thats why we&#039;re here....not politics...\r\nEverybody go get on something and ride it up the road real quick...you will feel better.\r\nGO!:D','',0,'IA==','30qcllix',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1590,430,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1069094805,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','Great post Ian.  About the only thing I&#039;ve seen today to bring a little bit of happiness to a damp dreary monday.  I think that word &amp;quot;conspiracy&amp;quot; is being thrown around too much; sometimes the thought alone of a conspiracy is more devastating than it actually being true...  Hopefully clear minds will prevail here and everyone can start to remember that we&#039;re in this for the FUN!  That ride down the road sounds good, but if that doesn&#039;t trip your trigger, go latch onto that plow and see how much ground you can tear up!  If you have that super 99 on the other end, just make sure to take a good set of ear plugs.','',0,'IA==','2dg96ewd',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1591,405,3,99,0,'65.71.199.91',1069102771,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Gary Swindell','','I&#039;ve read most of the material on YT and the HPOCA forum, and it appears to me that the board was acting responsibly on their knowledge of the full details.  Terry&#039;s explanations ring true.','',0,'IA==','22b15so4',1,0,'',99,0,0),(1592,423,1,144,0,'169.207.133.197',1069107075,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','pto belt pulley','Is a pto belt pulley assembly the same  for a 1600/1650  and a 770. Found one but he says it fits a 1600/ 1650/ 1850. I would like to put it on a 770.','',0,'IA==','2ydmsivn',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1593,429,3,366,0,'209.173.42.78',1069110413,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','chill out','Andy, Just chill for a minute there, if you read Franks post slowly and carefully you will see that he is wanting to know if there are enough folks interested in starting a chapter here in Tn. At least that is what it reads to me. \r\n Since he is wanting to hear from the Tn users then what difference does it make if we U2U or post here? Might keep this board open for other business. \r\n\r\n I think it might be a pretty good idea myself to get one started here. That way at some point in time we wouold have the possibiliy of having a HPOCA show and get together in this area as well.  \r\n\r\nFranks as you know from Atwood alone there are several Oliver folks over here in West Tn. I&#039;ll get in touch with a few that I know and see what they think as well. Might include some folks up around Paducah also as there are some good Oliver people i that neck of the woods too.','',0,'IA==','bmh1zgid',1,0,'',366,0,0),(1594,421,3,366,0,'209.173.42.78',1069111183,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','newbie confused here','I was reading the last post  from Sherry I thought and it is from John. What am I missing here? <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'IA==','3jbewjof',1,0,'',366,0,0),(1595,430,3,366,0,'209.173.42.78',1069111609,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','plowing','Now thats the idea!!!! If our bottom wasn&#039;t about 2 foot of mud I&#039;d be down there right now. Humm ya know. I could put some mud dogs on the tires.... LOL!','',0,'IA==','1ljdwit5',1,0,'',366,0,0),(1596,414,3,372,0,'68.76.242.110',1069111749,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','','Andy,\r\n   The only reason for my interest in the trucking bill is that it seemed to be the only issue presented between the Board and Sherry.  Now you tell us that the trucking bill is not the issue.  Since you seem to be very knowledgeable on this subject and have much more information that the general membership, please just tell us what the issue is.','',0,'IA==','pja3b5fq',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1597,428,3,65,0,'216.183.132.176',1069113705,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','No magazine here!!','No magazine has arrived here in Ontario canada and from the postings here I&#039;m ready for it!!','',0,'IA==','1ximh1se',1,0,'',65,0,0),(1599,428,3,82,0,'216.106.56.86',1069118437,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','','I received my issue today.','',0,'IA==','sq9df1g8',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1600,425,1,238,0,'152.163.252.199',1069119534,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','70 water pump','John Holcomb rebuilds water pumps, they are very difficult to get apart without screwing up the inner seal. He can be reached at ; <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:holcomb@t-one.net\">holcomb@t-one.net</a><!-- e -->\r\nLarry','',0,'IA==','3ptbwyas',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1601,426,1,238,0,'152.163.252.199',1069119727,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','70 parts','Check out the links at oliverinformation.com\r\nor Larry Harsons web site links. You will get most all suppliers.      Larry','',0,'IA==','1ap8qtwg',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1602,430,3,238,0,'152.163.252.198',1069120467,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','Amen!','Life is too damn short!!! and I&#039;m getting into my &amp;quot;golden years&amp;quot;(not nearly as much fun as my 90+ year old aunt and uncle made it out to be!) But, my wife will still fight with me ANY time I want,so I don&#039;t want to do it here. We ain&#039;t here for a long time, so we might as well have a good time!\r\n                                  <!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->Larry','',0,'IA==','77af2fev',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1603,414,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.240',1069131171,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','Keeping it clean..','I know that opinions are running strong right now, so please, keep in mind that what you post can be read by anyone. And since the HPOCA is a family oriented club, let&#039;s be sure to use family oriented language.\r\nI will not stop anybody from voicing their opinion, I just ask that it be done in a tactful manner. \r\n\r\nBoard rules will be added in the near future.\r\nThanks.','',0,'IA==','2rmqnade',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1604,431,1,383,0,'216.78.48.140',1069156448,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bert51','Oliver fenders','Will the fenders on an Oliver 88 fit an Oliver 70 RC?','',0,'IA==','21cqqcyv',1,0,'',383,0,0),(1605,414,3,389,0,'206.105.8.62',1069193253,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Dean Dardwin','Sherry','Sherry was hired to run the magazine. Under her guidance, the magazine has grown from an embarrassment to the treasure it is today. Her willing to research and answer questions is legendary. I suggest the board members who fired her had better beg her to take the job back or they had better resign. If not, my membership renewal will not be forthcoming.','',0,'IA==','vcp0zi1a',1,0,'',389,0,0),(1606,408,3,40,0,'64.12.96.166',1069196713,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Hey Andy:\r\n\r\nHow is it going in west Virginia?  Kind of wet and dreary here in West Central Illinois.\r\n\r\nYou know after you said there were no write-in votes I went back and read the by-laws.  You are right about no write-in candidates being allowed under ARTICLE VII, COMMITTEES, paragraph D.2.c.  But I thought that only applied to members of the nominating committee.  When the by-laws talk about elections (ARTICLE IV Paragraph D) it does not say anything about the general membership not being allowed to write-in candidates when voting for executive officers.  Do you have any background on the history of this when the by-laws were originally written?.  \r\n\r\nSince you are on the by-law rewrite committee you might want to look into making a change or two.','',0,'IA==','3rh6e78o',1,0,'',40,0,0),(1607,414,3,297,0,'12.165.173.51',1069209392,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','Money, Etc.','After all this wrangleing about a less than $2000 trucing bill, and around a $30,000 restoration bill that seem to be tearing this club apart, I&amp;quot;M REALLY GLAD that the museum deal fell through.','',0,'IA==','25ohkljv',1,0,'',297,0,0),(1608,405,3,374,0,'64.12.96.166',1069210019,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','','The  Board acting responsibly has yet to be seen,we&#039;ve all read also.....can&#039;t see it from here....and we very well may never....responsible?? as of yet .....NO !!\r\n\r\nEd Brandt','',0,'IA==','3vkh1ftq',1,0,'',374,0,0),(1609,421,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1069215772,1,0,1,1,1,0,'yieldmap','letter','John- I disagree that Sherry posting the letter would do little good.  Everyone is wondering what&#039;s going on, and it seems that this letter would clear up much for the members.  Any chance?','',0,'IA==','3atpqil1',1,0,'',3,0,0),(1610,421,3,47,0,'67.241.135.23',1069217274,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Yieldmap,\r\nWhat John said is correct in a way, that termination letter does state the reasons, and it would not accomplish anything Sherry would find acceptable. Need I say more? Case closed!','',0,'IA==','2y71pf47',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1611,414,3,47,0,'67.241.135.23',1069218475,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Well folks,\r\nMoney does have a tendency to change things, no doubt to that. I feel that Ollie is an honorable man, he is a friend of mine, and I have always had faith he would handle things properly. I do alot of trucking, and I know for a fact what mistakes in judgement can do, by first hand experience. That is the reason I specialize in specific commodities to specific regions, if a haul falls outside of these parameters, I don&#039;t take it, I stand a good chance of losing money on the deal. If I stick with what I haul day in, day out, I make money, because that is what I do, and I do it well. What I would like to think is somehow Ollie got outside his normal parameters of operation, in doing so, made an error in judgement. As I have said, I have made errors doing similar things, my pocketbook took a beating. I guess lots of folks have been beating up on Ollie. We all pay for our mistakes in one way or another.','',0,'IA==','2ls3vyz4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1612,430,3,47,0,'67.241.135.23',1069219300,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Well Y&#039;all,\r\nI had a long discussion of these matters with Harley Dawg earlier, before I just now fed him and let him go to bed. He thinks we should all go out and find a tree or John Deere to pee on. He told me it is especially satisfying to pee on John Deeres. Then he thinks I should go fire up my Oliver Hart Parr 2-3 Plow Tractor, and take him riding thru the fields, and maybe we can find more trees to pee on, but no John Deeres. He might have a valid point, at least from a dogs perspective!!!','',0,'IA==','3xfwuoax',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1613,429,3,47,0,'67.241.135.23',1069220493,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Sorry Frank,\r\nWhy didn&#039;t you just say you were trying to start a chapter? I must have misread your intentions, as you didn&#039;t make them clear. Yes, I know where you stand on certain issues that need to go away. I feel that once our new magazine comes out, that will change alot of opinions, I try to keep an open mind, but I am yet to see evidence to contradict the boards decision. And 7 to 1 is a really solid vote. I know all this is something I personally did not want, and I have talked to several directors, none of them really wanted to take this action. From what I have seen and heard there were issues that just couldn&#039;t be resolved, despite repeated attempts. One thing I will suggest to the bylaws committee is to set a termination procedure. Currently it has been many verbal warnings, mostly ignored. I will propose 1 verbal warning, 1 written warning, 1 final warning, then if the situation continues, termination. Probably will look at some provision for emergency remedies, in case of dire circumstances where grave damage is obvious.','',0,'IA==','38mqzmux',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1614,428,3,47,0,'67.241.135.23',1069221168,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Frank,\r\nWhat I was talking about was going around committees. I am a strong advocate of using committees. Penfield was rejected by the activity committee committee originally, then at a later date brought back by a member and approved. This resulted in a good activity director resigning. I say let the committees do their work, if they don&#039;t want to do that, then don&#039;t have committees, because they would be useless.','',0,'IA==','s3tifsyk',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1615,428,3,47,0,'67.241.135.23',1069221738,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Frank,\r\nYou know I attend alot of meetings, I don&#039;t think I am an idiot, but I might be, some think I am a dumb hillbilly and that is OK. But, I listen, and interact, but most important is I pay attention to the reactions in the room. As a result I become informed. I don&#039;t know when or how the board will take action to inform the members. If I was in Terrys position I would NOT use a website. I would find a means to inform the members without putting it in the public domain, letter, postcard, magazine. How he handles it is up to him. And if this is such an important thing why is Sherry not posting her termination letter? Did you ever think about that?','',0,'IA==','b1g3vzb6',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1616,408,3,47,0,'67.241.135.23',1069222555,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','You betcha Bill,\r\nThere will be alot of clarifying being done, suddenly this job is becoming enormous, but that is OK, I accepted the duty, it will be discharged honorably. We will have something that will work for the whole association. The main problem I see with the bylaws is they have been amended as well as I can determine twice, and each time they were viewed section by section and not as a complete document. This left conflicts and fragmentation, which becomes obvious as you study the document. It can be fixed, and will be fixed. I very much appreciate your comments, as well as the comments of others. Otherwise it would virtually impossible to do a fair and accurate assessment of the work needed.','',0,'IA==','1n9bmfrb',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1618,414,3,47,0,'65.238.36.207',1069250876,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Olivercookieman,\r\nNo, hot air is outside the parameter of what I would call acceptable freight. I was trying to make a point that sometimes human beings do have poor judgement, and most of the time when we do, there is some sort of price to pay. I refuse to attack Ollie, I will take on his issues, either for or against, but he is a friend of mine, has been for many years, so I refuse to make it a personal thing. I have talked about this subject with our President, and it remains a mystery as to how all this all came about. I feel there was some sort of influence outside of the association which came into play, just my opinion. But, somehow things got out of hand. Now, I have looked at these figures, and taking all things into consideration, what my analysis is, and you must understand hindsight is 20/20. First mistake was to not give a quote to the association for the haul bill, that way they could accept or reject it prior to the haul being made. Second, is trailer damage, it was preventable, driver error, mat or some other protective material should had been utilized. Third, driver pay, this is not a customary expense that is deferred to the shipper, the motor carrier pays this. I don&#039;t know for certain how grain haulers bill their customers, perhaps they do bill in this manner, it would not be the way machinery haulers bill, I know because I hauled machinery in the late 1980&#039;s, hauled heavy, over dimension stuff, and stretch loads, a real pain to say the least. \r\nBut it is done, it is all over with, the bills have been paid. Let&#039;s see if this debacle can be prevented in the future. I will stick to my opinion that a motor carrier who specialized in this type of haul would be more cost effective. But really HPOCA didn&#039;t have any input, just pay the bills, and I am not comfortable with that.\r\nYou can make personal attacks on me if you wish, at least you are leaving someone else alone! I have big shoulders, I can take it. As for me, I will try to stick to the issues.','',0,'IA==','1zjquvmn',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1620,427,1,297,0,'12.165.173.11',1069296335,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','batterys','I&#039;m not 100% but I think they were two 6V. They would be BCI group 1. That was the way My 77 is, but I replaced it with one larger 12V and have not regreted the decision.','',0,'IA==','cqsgilin',1,0,'',297,0,0),(1621,427,1,96,0,'216.201.29.71',1069296641,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','','Yes, IanC You are correct. When new they were two six volts. Two six volt batteries in good condition will crank longer than one 12 volt unless maybe you have a super big 12 volt like on a Ford 5000 Diesel.','',0,'IA==','3q5p3auf',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1622,425,1,382,0,'216.135.13.167',1069300764,1,0,1,1,1,0,'1943gb','','Thanks for the waterpump information. It was very helpful.','',0,'IA==','1xn4izoz',1,0,'',382,0,0),(1623,414,3,47,0,'67.241.135.46',1069301117,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Olivercookieman,\r\nI don&#039;t know how y&#039;all north of the border work, but here we have something called freedom of speech, in 1973 the US Supreme Court made a ruling that any citizen can express their opinion as a right under free speech. I have every right to express my opinion, and anyone who doesn&#039;t like it, doesn&#039;t have to read it. And that sir is the bottom line!!','',0,'IA==','27ayrl1c',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1624,417,1,370,0,'199.45.178.37',1069301496,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','thanks for your help guys, but I found one.','',0,'IA==','bfk3av9h',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1626,414,3,47,0,'65.238.36.88',1069335194,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Olivercookieman,\r\nThat is pretty cool! Over the last 30 years or so, I have travelled to quite a few different countries, mostly while I was in the US Army. On weekend passes, and leave time, I would often travel around, go sightseeing, across various borders. Many people in this world don&#039;t enjoy the freedoms we do, that makes me very appreciative of our freedom. Before I saw this with my own eyes, I took my freedom for granted, but no longer, now I enjoy it. Before the US Army would allow a pass to go to other countries, and before we were allowed off post, we had to take a class, that is something the Army likes very well, is making soldiers take classes, they call it a &#039;block of instruction&#039;. These classes taught us some local customs, etc., it was stressed that we were not in our own country, and we must abide by their laws, and customs, not ours. In my experience no two countries are exactly the same, an example is your country has a more European flavor than mine, I have seen many things in Canada that remind me of Europe, signs and things of that nature, on my visits to Montreal, Toronto, and Quebec. I guess my country must look pretty strange to Canadians, too. Same with Mexico, it is different, too. Bad thing about Mexico is a fellow can get in trouble really quick there, that is what some friends told me.\r\nHarley Dawg is a special dog. He is an Oliver, Hart-Parr, Cletrac fanatic, he goes to more HPOCA events than most members, in fact I have been thinking about giving him some money so he can have his own membership, but he doesn&#039;t care about all that. He just wants to be in the tractor parade, lay around under Oliver tractors, and get his head petted, that is his idea of heaven. He does target Farmalls too, a couple of my friends sometime store their Farmalls here, they know he targets them, they think it is funny that he would pee on their tires and leave the Olivers alone. I think Harley is a pretty clean dog, every week or at most two he gets a bath with Adam&#039;s flea shampoo, that is why he smells like a barber shop dog.','',0,'IA==','2ro845px',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1628,433,3,47,0,'65.238.36.88',1069337214,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','Survey for Tulare, California show.','In a recent conversation with Bill Bechthold, of Lodi, CA the subject of having a winter show in Tulare, CA, was discussed. Every April, Tulare hosts one of the biggest west coast shows, and he told me they haven&#039;t featured our line of tractors yet. In our discussion Bill informed me that if there was interest in having a Winter Show, he would discuss the matter with the California members. For most of our west coast members it is cost prohibitive to bring a tractor to our annual events, most can&#039;t come. I have long felt this could be an excellent alternative to a Winter Get Together, and would give members the opportunity to have a show that normally would not be possible. I told Bill I would try to poll members, to see if this is a viable alternative, for some time in the future, then address the issue with our Activity Director. If you think this would be something you would be interest in, please give your input. If you think it is a bad idea, let me know that also, and why.','',0,'IA==','vs6z2o3t',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1629,430,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1069344423,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Thanks 98....i hoped some people would get some good out of that post:D','',0,'IA==','271p4n1b',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1630,429,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1069344612,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Hey Tlmkr and Frank...you sure could include west KY along with west TN.  Wouldnt hurt my feelings a bit. Cmon, Cmon, Cmon, pppuuuullleeeeezzzz?','',0,'IA==','2894lp3f',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1631,433,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1069345405,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','I think the idea of a Winter show in some place like California would be neat once.  But I cant see it being a fruitful Winter get together replacement...I know that my family always looks forward to the WGT and also look forward to the fact that it is usually relatively close....or at least within driving distance.  But then again...I do feel sorry for those West Coast Oliver people who dont get to participate at all!  I think it would be fun...but I dont know if I could afford it!:(','',0,'IA==','1m74ytt0',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1632,417,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1069345574,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Wow already...sweet.  What kinda shape is she in?  I think we need pics!  I am always in the mood to see a Detroit tractor.','',0,'IA==','36niqiak',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1633,433,3,47,0,'65.238.36.153',1069368327,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey 995,\r\nThanks for the reply! I could agree if you change &#039;once&#039; to &#039;occasionally&#039;, I think that if we get members to go to warm places to play with tractors when it is snowing at home, it might catch on. It did with NHRA, except we were drag racing. Maybe we wouldn&#039;t want it all the time. There is something that can be said for hanging around in the warm with all your friends when there is snow outside. But, you are in a similar climate to me, just a little warmer. Those guys in Minnesota or South Dakota, get really cold. I can relate to the expense part, first CA WGT, I was going to save money, and haul freight both ways, big mistake, potato chips to Phoenix don&#039;t pay too well, took a week of short cheap freight before the produce came in and I could head back. Last time I flew on a airplane, Harley Dawg was not one bit happy with me over that one. But I got one of those advanced, super early reservations, it cost me $125 round trip. Now with a doctors note or something like that I can take a companion animal on the plane, for mental comfort or some such thing. I have a friend who is a practicing physician, she told me if I wanted to take Harley Dawg, she would fix it up. Oh, before I forget, Bill told me hotels go for about half the Sacramento price in Tulare, and banquet costs are considerably less, so, that would help.','',0,'IA==','17wfqgkz',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1634,429,3,35,0,'68.210.85.96',1069370848,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Chapter','Lugmatic\r\n\r\nThe more the merrier. I was thinking about the areas of TN, north AL, southern KY and possibly eastern Arkansas. We need people in each of these areas to voice their support. I will be out for the holidays in about two weeks and plan to do some more research on the possibility. We could name the chapter Mid-South. Do you think it will be enough interest if we include these areas?:D','',0,'IA==','24vnlpzm',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1635,427,1,254,0,'216.37.157.109',1069371847,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','','could you use 2 8 volt bat. insteed of 2 6 volts? or wolud it have to much voltage?\r\nslim','',0,'IA==','33gaizrx',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1636,405,3,88,0,'67.74.247.91',1069374240,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','It seems to me that if the board is acting responsibly it (they) would simply tell us (the members) exactly what the reasons where for terminating the editors contract were. So far all we have heard is that there are &amp;quot;reasons&amp;quot;, ect., but no actual list of them. If the reasons are valid, I&#039;m sure that we (the members) would understand and possibly agree with them. The whole problem seems to be that  for some reason they are unwilling to explain things to us. The other thing that makes NO sense, is the fact that they just renewed her contract, and then a few months later tell us that there were such problems that they had to terminate the contract. It&#039;s sort of confusing,,,,,isn&#039;t it???????','',0,'IA==','2c4bubfx',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1637,434,1,397,0,'216.189.140.62',1069382919,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Jack Sharp','Oliver Super 99 GM for sale','1957 Super 99 with GM, hydraulics and pto. Tractor is in excellent running condition with low hours on overhaul. Tin is in good shape but needs paint. Have pictures available if wanted. Asking $11,500\r\nemail: <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:sharp@wcta.net\">sharp@wcta.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,'IA==','14kpipor',1,0,'',397,0,0),(1638,414,3,362,0,'64.33.233.82',1069390742,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Norm','What is this turning into?','I am proud to live in the USA, Cookieoliverman is more than likely, proud to be a Canadian, so why does it matter if the signs are different and the have more of a &amp;quot;European flavor?&amp;quot;','',0,'IA==','2cse2bw7',1,0,'',362,0,0),(1639,405,3,389,0,'206.105.8.244',1069421163,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Dean Dardwin','There&#039;s a skunk in the woodpile!','Doug, you bring up a great point. Terry has promised us a full explanation but has not done so. He has stated that “Sherry did a great job on the magazine”, the job which she was hired to do, but then the board decided to fire her after “a long-standing list of problems”. Hogwash! It&#039;s becoming more obvious that she got small-town’d by the &amp;quot;good old boys&amp;quot; and Terry doesn&#039;t have the class to admit it.\r\n\r\nWhat these people don&#039;t understand is that the 6,000 members generate almost all the income the club gets. Most of them never vote nor attend any events. They join the club simply to get the magazine. That income, along with the advertising revenue generated by the magazine, allows the 200 or so &amp;quot;good old boys&amp;quot; who are active members to engage in their hobby.\r\n\r\nHistory will record that Terry and this board destroyed what was becoming a great club with a great magazine. Not just because they fired the best editor the magazine has ever had but also because they refuse to be honest about the reason why. I, for one, will accept the fact that people make mistakes and forgive them. But I do not suffer, nor forgive, lies and deceit.','',0,'IA==','qqa66wka',1,0,'',389,0,0),(1640,429,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1069425915,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','I certainly do','',0,'IA==','115tp6cl',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1641,405,3,88,0,'67.74.252.63',1069428776,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','My point, exactly,,,,,,to most of us the magazine is the most important part of our membership. The &amp;quot;powers that be&amp;quot; seem to feel that no explanation of their actions is required. I said somewhere else that this action is NOT representing the interest of the membership. Again, If valid resons were given, perhaps we would agree, but so far I haven&#039;t heard one.','',0,'IA==','3h6051vt',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1642,435,6,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1069450661,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','Cockshutt 50','Anybody know of a Cockshutt 50 engine anywhere?  We have one that has a 40 engine in it, but I would like to put the right one in it if I could.','',0,'IA==','21rri4aj',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1643,436,6,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1069452008,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','Other Favorite Brands?  POLL!!!!','What other brand of Antique tractors do you own the most of besides our beloved Olivers?  And Hart-Parrs and Cletracs dont count!\r\nPost below the Poll to let us know what you like!:D','',0,'IA==','7iupr9jp',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1644,425,1,400,0,'64.12.96.234',1069452262,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mary Warwick','We rebuild water pumps','We rebuild waterpumps for many models.  Our prices are listed at:\r\n\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://rctractorwaterpumps.com/\">http://rctractorwaterpumps.com/</a><!-- m -->\r\n\r\nWe ship anywhere in the U.S.','',0,'IA==','4v3wlpgg',1,0,'',400,0,0),(1645,425,1,400,0,'64.12.96.234',1069452324,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mary Warwick','We rebuild water pumps','We rebuild waterpumps for many models.  Our prices are listed at:\r\n\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://rctractorwaterpumps.com/\">http://rctractorwaterpumps.com/</a><!-- m -->\r\n\r\nWe ship anywhere in the U.S.','',0,'IA==','3garzeyg',1,0,'',400,0,0),(1646,436,6,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1069452606,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','I guess I would have to say MM.  We have a lot of them and they...like Olivers...are tough as nails and pull like hell.','',0,'IA==','2ava5w4c',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1647,435,6,35,0,'68.155.130.33',1069454303,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Cockshutt','holy mackeral Lugmatic\r\n\r\nWhat in the world are you doing with a Cockshutt this far south. Us TN boys think they are kinda rare.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'IA==','3nhtu4ss',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1648,414,3,47,0,'65.238.36.52',1069455056,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Norm,\r\nYou are taking one small clause out of context and making a big deal out of it. The overall content is that our neighbors to the north, and we are indeed fortunate for the freedoms that we enjoy, and that no two countries are exactly the same. As to the European flavor that I spoke, was in reference to the cities that I named, which have many things in common with European cities that US cities do not. That is neither a good thing or a bad thing, just a difference. Often people will visit other places for this exact reason. There was no referance or intention to insult Cookieoliverman because of his nationality, and if you think there was, show me where. I am certain that Cookieoliverman is proud to be Canadian, as I am equally certain that a Russian is proud to be a citizen of the largest nation on earth, or that a Chinese is proud to be a citizen of the most populous nation on earth. And the list can go on.','',0,'IA==','22ps5xf4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1649,405,3,47,0,'65.238.36.52',1069456974,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Y&#039;all,\r\nI can understand that you have a need to know, and that you have a right to know. What I do not understand is why you would not give the President the opportunity to address these issues in the proper venue, which is not on the internet. My reasoning for saying this is these are members issues, not public issues, and the internet is a public venue. I believe it will be interesting to see what comes out in the next magazine, which would be a proper venue to address such issues, as only members receive this publication.  On the top left column, of page 9, in the last issue is an editors note, addressed &#039;Dear John&#039; to John Tichenor&#039;s letter. If you read it carefully you will see where the editor is using a &#039;bully pulpit&#039; to express a personal opinion. I do not know if this had any effect on the termination or not, but it is a prime example of things not to do. Also, she recognizes in the note she shouldn&#039;t do it, by a referance to &#039;reprimand&#039;. She clearly recognized that she was not allowed to comment, but does so anyhow, that is something like her daring them to take action. Which is clearly insubordinate, and improper. I believe that whether this incident was brought up, or not, there has been many similar incidents in the past. And as I said it is only an example, and it is one that you should have no problem getting access to.\n\n[Edited on 21-11-2003 by Andy]','',0,'','io8w782f',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1650,405,3,47,0,'65.238.36.52',1069458435,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Dean Dardwin,\r\nYou hit precisely on one of my same arguements prior to Penfield. I had argued that since out of 6,000 members we knew only about 15% would ever attend 1 or more events, which leaves 85% who only buy a magazine. If they are happy with the product they buy why change? Last weekend I got hit with the same arguement, and reasoning for a different conclusion, which I also find plausable. If 85% only buy a magazine, then their interest would be in buying a produce that satisfies them. If this is so, then who produces the product would have no bearing on it. If they get the product, and it pleases them, they are happy. Then I was asked how many magazines do I get that I know or care who the editor or publisher is. Needless to say, point well taken!!!','',0,'','e1ggh1m9',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1651,427,1,297,0,'12.165.174.11',1069468395,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','batteries','2 X 8V batteries in series would be 16V  (actually a little more that as wet cell batterys are slightly more than 2V per cell)so you would have to adjust your regulator to put out more than the actual voltage or they would never fully charge. The old  thing of cranking longer applies if you have the same grade of batteries. The cranking amps (32 deg) and cold cranking amp (0 deg) are an instantaneous rating, when buying batteries you need to look at the number of plates and the minutes of reserve capacity, these ratings will give you the correct info you need to compare batterys. One high end 12V will out last two cheapie 6V in series.','',0,'','3o6wu1vg',1,0,'',297,0,0),(1652,429,3,366,0,'209.173.42.45',1069475384,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','fulton area also','Well LUG, I Guess we can include West Ky. also.... heheh bunch of real nice folks up there actually. Good bunch of show tractors around Paducah and some tough pullers there in Mayfield. I&#039;ll also talk to some folks around Fulton as there are quite a few Olivers around there.\r\n\r\n Went to an Old Timer&#039;s Day at a church up there and was within 2 mile of about 10-14 Oliver tractors! Real good neighborhood ya know???','',0,'','ge7k6q6a',1,0,'',366,0,0),(1653,437,1,218,0,'152.163.253.34',1069561273,1,0,1,1,1,0,'colo80','80 carb kit','where can I find a carb kit for my 80 standard? thanks','',0,'','2kciwu7n',1,0,'',218,0,0),(1654,437,1,35,0,'68.155.130.33',1069562297,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','80 carb.','Give Tom at Maibach Tractor a call. I am sure he can help you. Their toll free number is 800-808-9934.','',0,'','9imswxwj',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1655,438,1,401,0,'216.42.66.127',1069590087,1,0,1,0,1,1,'JAMES J MCKEOWN','OLIVER BGS ENGINE','I BOUGHT AN OLIVER BGS AND THE ENGINE BLOW (DESTROYED) AFTER 30 MINUTES.wHERE CAN i GET A NEW(REBUILT) ENGINE???','',0,'','33h0vef2',1,0,'',401,0,0),(1656,431,1,368,0,'209.150.251.57',1069596929,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Fleetline Steve','Fenders','No the fenders will not fit. Where they mount on is different.','',0,'','588ojp9n',1,0,'',368,0,0),(1657,439,1,368,0,'209.150.251.57',1069597318,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Fleetline Steve','Fender extensions','Is anyone making fender extensions for the Fleetline thru the 3 digit series tractors ?','',0,'','1z0owija',1,0,'',368,0,0),(1658,440,1,43,0,'158.247.216.45',1069606398,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverdude','107 rake parts','Does anyone know where I can parts for a 107 rake? I need a jack assembly, and both lift cranks with knobs, and the clevis they screw into.\r\nThanks,\r\nGeoffrey','',0,'','jiy1ihq2',1,0,'',43,0,0),(1659,405,3,88,0,'67.74.247.87',1069608088,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Well, I think it DOES make a big difference who the editor is,,,,,,especially if the editor is truly a dedicated person and can relate to the readers. The &amp;quot;former&amp;quot; editor certainly met those requirements. If you or the board had a problem with this editor, it certainly wasn&#039;t the quality of the magazine. If you ever heard the expression: &amp;quot;If it ain&#039;t broke.....Don&#039;t fix it&amp;quot;,,,,,,,This is certainly a case where it applies.','',0,'','1cbgy85c',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1660,438,1,96,0,'216.201.29.202',1069609505,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Engine','The engines is a Hercules JX Series. Contact Sam Winner Motor sales in Akron Ohio or Jerry Biro in Newark Ohio.\r\nJerry is North America&#039;s largest obsolete Hercules parts dealer. and Winners had quite a few JXL engines. The L is a longer stroke and no doubt you will need to use the accessories off of your engine.\r\nThe best way to reach Jerry is by Fax 740 745 2475','',0,'','3b3zp943',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1661,441,3,67,0,'64.6.2.156',1069618738,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','Explanations','I will now attempt to answer some of the questions put forth regarding the change of editors for the HPOCA magazine.  There has been a delay in responding to inquiries for a couple of reasons.  The first reason was to give Sherry time to receive her notification, and a chance to review it and respond if she wished to.  I have now received the confirmation back that she received the letter on Nov. 14.  The second reason was to allow a time for everyone to cool down a bit.  This change prompted many tempers to flare up, and this is a time for facts, not anger.  The reasons for the change in editors did NOT include the recent letter published in the magazine, or anything related to the restoration of Hart Parr # 3, or the trucking bill.  It is time for these wild accusations to stop.  Also, no one has said that she did not do a good job of producing a magazine.  An internet forum is not the place to discuss details of this action, but the members do deserve an explanation.  You must also remember that this is the same basic type of information that would be included in an employee personnel file, and I don&#039;t know of any employer who would post a personnel file on the internet.  The notification letter included 5 items related to responsibilities of professional conduct, listed as fiduciary responsibilities.  It also included 3 items related to performance of the contract, which were not met.  Also listed were 2 items that happened &amp;quot;after the fact&amp;quot;, which were intended to voice the board&#039;s dissatisfaction with items which happened after the termination of the contract, but were not considered in the termination.  I realize that many of you want more of an explanation, but that will have to follow in the proper forum, which is in the magazine.  The magazine is available to members only, and not open to public scrutiny, as is this forum.  Any of you are welcome to call or e-mail me with your questions, as always.  I will try to answer them as best I can.  As for now, I can only ask you to give us some time to make the rest of this known, and support the new editors while they try to work through this difficult time.  I firmly believe that you will be impressed with the new look of the magazine.  Terry.','',0,'','3scxuhoi',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1662,439,1,144,0,'169.207.133.130',1069620784,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','fender extensions','No, I don&#039;t think anyone is reproducing the fender extensions, but its sure not a bad idea!!!!','',0,'','heectx3g',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1663,442,3,144,0,'169.207.133.130',1069621238,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','magazine editor','What is the contact information of the magazine editor, where do we send classified ads for the next magazine?','',0,'','3ss9ios3',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1664,442,3,402,0,'216.93.69.157',1069622177,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Becky','Magazine Editor','The magazine editor information is listed under the &amp;quot;Magazine&amp;quot; link on the Home Page, but I&#039;ll list it here too.  You may send ads, articles, etc. to:\r\n\r\nHPOCA\r\nc/o Becky Losey\r\n11326 N. Parma Rd.\r\nSpringport, MI  49284\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:becky@hartparroliver.org\">becky@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','hz4tp09c',1,0,'',402,0,0),(1665,429,3,37,0,'68.155.15.106',1069637077,1,0,1,1,1,0,'george steadman','tn members','would that include those of us in the mountains or does the state end in Knoxville for this. Just kidding!','',0,'','8230vida',1,0,'',37,0,0),(1666,441,3,404,0,'68.98.131.194',1069642665,1,0,1,1,1,0,'VADAVE','REALLY?','Terry\r\nI am not a member and have been watching this INCIDENT with interest--It will decide if I will join!! \r\nNow let me decode your &amp;quot;explanation&amp;quot; into my language.  &amp;quot;Items&amp;quot; I read incidents.  Five incidents of professional conduct/fiduciary; hm, that means money.  Guess that means either Sherry miss-spent, over-spent or charged wrong.  3 incidents of contract non-performance; in a month or two??  \r\nThen there are the 2 after the fact insidents-guess you are sputtering about her posting a couple of messages.\r\nThis was predecided!!!\r\nYou can&#039;t sputter about after the fact because you brought that on!\r\nNon-performance that soon after a new contract calls for counciling.\r\nFinancial issues require explanations from Sherry which apparently did not occur.\r\nYou are grasping.\r\nYou lose I won&#039;t join!','',0,'','3cehgsp8',1,0,'',404,0,0),(1667,441,3,88,0,'67.74.236.61',1069648008,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','You maybe making a wise decision at this point (not joining) This organization has a lot of problems. Hopefully, they may get straightened out at some time in the future.','',0,'','37fay4mf',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1668,441,3,40,0,'64.12.96.166',1069650494,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Terry:\r\n\r\nI have read your post a couple of times now and I&#039;m somewhat puzzled as to how you guys did what you did and why.  The &amp;quot;what&amp;quot; I think I understand, you terminated a contract with the editor that had been in force for about 2 months.  \r\n\r\nI was under the impression that the contract was terminated at an executive session of the board on Nov 8.  I guess other people were at the general meeting that day, including Sherry.  I understood that since the board did not notify Sherry in person, a letter was sent (in accordance with the contract) telling her she had been terminated and why.  I assumed that the letter was probably composed and approved by the board at the executive meeting and then mailed the next day.  (I also know you can get in trouble when you make too many assumptions.)\r\n\r\nYour post confirms some of the &amp;quot;why&amp;quot; that  I thought were the basis for the termination. However, I don&#039;t understand why the board included in the letter 2 items that happened after the termination.  I think that a lot of people would have done things that would not have satisfied the board if they had found out they had been terminated the way Sherry found out.  But for God&#039;s sake why did they have to be included in her termination letter?  \r\n\r\nThe fact these 2 items were included in the letter indicates the letter was written after the executive session was over and it was probably not mailed on 9 November. Not exactly the formal prompt notification I thought had been mailed.\r\n\r\nI would hope that none of the reasons listed in the letter happened before the new contract was approved in Penfield.  Because if they had, especially if they involved money, I can&#039;t see why a new contract was approved.  I believe that you guys had had isssues before the new contract of which I and the great majority of the members had no knowledge.  I will say that if you had not renewed the contract when it expired I would have wondered why, but I doubt that I would have ever posted anything on the web.  I would expect in hindsight you all wish that is the way it had happend.\r\n\r\nAs far as the web not being the place for this to be discussed I think that postition is bad for the board and for the club.  I would just note that if you are intending to print an expanded explanation in the next magazine for the &amp;quot;HPOCA members&amp;quot;, there is nothing to prevent that explanaion from being copied and posted on other websites or for that matter on this site.  I know the webmaster could edit it out of here, but I&#039;d hate to be the person responsible for making that edit.  If the expalnation in the magazine is going to be along the lines of what you have in your post my advice is to forget it.  As a member I can tell you that if that is what happens I will really be disgusted with the board and the way this club is being run.\r\n\r\nI&#039;d recommend that the board, the lawyers and Sherry if she&#039;ll still talk to you guys get together and put identical explanations here and in the magazine.  That way those HPOCA  members without web access and those with it will be on the same page.','',0,'','1i98yha9',1,0,'',40,0,0),(1669,441,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1069656774,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','Will any explination ever be good enough?','I think Terry has made almost every possible exilination of this ordeal that is possible without getting into specific detail of what Sherry did that her contract was terminated.  I think there is one big point that a lot of people are missing here.  As Terry explained this is the kind of information that would be included in an employee personel file, and I have never seen an instance where a personel file has been made public information.  If this were done it could be seen as a defamation of character, and doing this can open the club up legally, aside from just being flat out improper conduct.  If she wants to share the specific reasons of her termination that were stated in that letter, then that is her right.  Until then it is something that should be between her and the board.  As I&#039;m sure a lot of you can relate to, being terminated is not a pleasant experience and for most it is very uncomfortable to talk about things that you have done wrong.  \r\n\r\nAlso, I have seen people that are assuming that just because they haven&#039;t seen these problems that they don&#039;t exist.  The majority of this organization sees that since we have a great magazine that everything must be running smoothly.  There are many things behing the scenes that the average person does not see.  I think it would be pretty difficult for the board to make these problems up out of thin air.  And besides that, they have nothing to gain in doing so.  This board is giving their time to serve this organization, and their benefit is the enjoyment of a great hobby.  And that is where we should aim our focus, not on a problem with personel, but on the enjoyment of the Oliver tractor.  We still have a great organization and a great magazine with a perfectly capable editor from our own ranks.  If this magazine sees a decline in quality, THEN is the time for critisizm, but until then give our board the benefit of the doubt. <!-- s:cool: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\":cool:\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s:cool: -->','',0,'','136t0qc3',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1670,441,3,389,0,'206.105.8.68',1069673311,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Dean Dardwin','Hey Terry!','Explanation? You didn&#039;t explain anything. All you did was add more fuel to the fire. When honest people speak the truth they do not have to hide behind a load of manure. You&#039;re at the point now where no matter what excuses you give for what you and the board did nobody is going to believe any of you.','',0,'','1a8f5ssb',1,0,'',389,0,0),(1671,443,3,406,0,'209.226.138.170',1069693140,1,0,1,1,1,0,'spike','please let me know how this turns out...','There are two sides to every story and THEN there&#039;s the truth. The politics of HPOCA makes my head hurt. Guess I&#039;ll vote with my feet. I am not renewing my membership so I&#039;ll miss the detailed &#039;explanation&#039; from the board of directors. I have a feeling I would need a front end loader to handle the explanation. Anyway...I&#039;d rather work on my tractors.','',0,'','2ud54cph',1,0,'',406,0,0),(1672,444,1,407,0,'208.31.40.77',1069693893,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','Anybody have a 28-44 for sale?','Looking for a 28-44 in the northeast preferably. Will travel though. MI,OH,etc. Any oliver 80&#039;s or 90&#039;s welcome too.','',0,'','2wevt1yw',1,0,'',407,0,0),(1673,443,3,408,0,'207.179.197.107',1069694116,1,0,1,1,1,0,'88ollie','turns out','Does&#039;nt anybody think the 6000 or so members need to know why all this happened - they do not own the HPOCA- they are our employee&#039;s ( the members) I can not support an organization that will not be honest and true to its members !!!!!!!!!!!!','',0,'','ggoiyhjl',1,0,'',408,0,0),(1674,441,3,372,0,'68.76.242.110',1069702875,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','Legal Advice','Terry,\r\n   You have not given any real information and I don&#039;t think that the membership will accept that.  I know that I won&#039;t continue as a member unless much more specific data is presented.  Now I realize that you can&#039;t defame Sherry, but there must be specific provisions in Sherry&#039;s contract that you can quote for us as well as indicate that there was a specific failing related to that provision.\r\n   It is my opinion that failure to give the members the facts will result in the loss of many members.  The membership has been patient so far, but that won&#039;t last without real information.\r\n   I do not care to be a member of an organization whose leaders take actions such as dismissing Sherry without sharing their reasons with the membership.','',0,'','1rkiarz9',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1675,445,1,325,0,'63.240.135.30',1069715980,1,0,1,1,1,0,'isubucky','Oliver Super 77 Diesel','I am looking for some information.  I am looking at buying a 1957 Super 77 Diesel, NF, with hydraulics and wondering what it is worth.  Is there anything particular to look for, injector pump, hydraulic pump, etc?  It has been repainted and is not rusty, but 770 green.  All of the panels/grill are included but not on the tractor.  They are straight except for one but it is not bad.  The front tires are shot and the rear are average.  I have not had a chance to start the tractor, but told it runs.  I was told that it probably needs to be pull started (has sat since last winter).  Does not need to be hauled.  I realize it is tough to give a value but a range would be helpful.  It would not win a beauty contest with the panels off and the wrong color.  It is located in the midwest.\r\n\r\nAny thoughts, comments, suggestions would be greatly appreciated.\r\n\r\nMark','',0,'','389x5g81',1,0,'',325,0,0),(1676,441,3,360,0,'198.77.42.51',1069720659,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','Step up and be a man for your actions','All right Mr Allen it is time to step up and be a man since you could not be one in the past. You say that you did not know that Sherry was still at the meeting that you decided to fire her at and that is why you had to take the chicken way and say that she was not there. If she was there then you should have told her to stick around that you the board were going into exec-session and are going to decide her future with the magazine. I believe from your actions so far that you were too chicken to do this or was this just a spur of the moment thing of firing her since you did not tell her to stay around. You had to know going into that session that you were going to do this and chose to hide behind a letter. I know that you had to do this by legal right of her contract and could have still done this after having told her face to face. \r\n  I agree that you should maybe not post the stuff on the site about sherry but you guys apperently have put a gag order on her because are you afraid of what she will say? I say, stand up and be a man and let her post the reasons why she was fired if she so chooses and take the ball out of your court. Are you afraid that the truth will hurt you or her? If you are in the right and she is in the wrong she will not post any thing and here silence will vidicate you, but by putting a gag order on her you are only making you and the board look wrong and save this club by lifting the order. You just continue to show incompetence by doing these things. If there were serious fudiciary problems that could result in someone getting fired and you still give them a contract then you firethat person two months into the contract that is incompetence.','',0,'','1l3o9dbn',1,0,'',360,0,0),(1677,446,1,410,0,'67.4.180.31',1069727193,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ng','OLIVER MODEL 550 WANTED','Where can I find a late model Oliver 550 in good running condition? (Upper Midwest area preferred)','',0,'','2mp77byb',1,0,'',410,0,0),(1678,441,3,67,0,'64.6.2.33',1069729384,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Ed--let me clarify some of your misconceptions.  There IS NOT nor ever has been any type of &amp;quot;gag order&amp;quot;.  Sherry is free to post all of the letter she received for anyone to see, if she so chooses.  My attorney has instructed me that I simply can not post this information, regardless of how much I think the members deserve to be told.  Sherry can do so, but I can not.','',0,'','1a9c3hik',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1680,445,1,407,0,'172.19.253.34',1069774680,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','','Mark,\r\nI bought a straight 77 diesel with great side tin a couple years ago for 1600. I&#039;ve seen anywhere from 1200 for a very used one to 2500 for a nice original. Check the dipstick on the hydralics if it has any oil and the rubber seals on the levers (water gets in) If it runs and doesn&#039;t leak to bad its probably pretty good. Those are New York prices though on the above. Hope that helps a little, Adam','',0,'','1sa48vtj',1,0,'',407,0,0),(1681,441,3,374,0,'205.188.209.42',1069781215,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','explanations','What a pile of BS.....as I said before....the Board has explained nothing.....good thing I just purchased a restored Oliver#7 spreader,because I &#039;ll have quite a few trips to get though this bull !!!!!!!!!\r\n\r\nWho is paying for this attorney you have Terry??? Let me guess .....the club right??? If we are paying for yours why aren&#039;t we paying for Sherry&#039;s??? Does the club have an insurance policy that includes errors and omissions by the Board??? Do the members have any coverage???If so,did the members authorize the purchase of one???\r\n\r\nLike I said  in previous accounts....there&#039;s something bigger in the wood pile and the pile isn&#039;t in Nokomis.......Ed Brandt','',0,'','j6aai4bj',1,0,'',374,0,0),(1682,441,3,88,0,'67.74.242.185',1069786193,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Attorney fees?????? Well, I hoped it wouldn&#039;t come to that,,,,,,But if you&#039;re spending someone elses money.....(the clubs) Why not,,right? It&#039;s sad that this organization has come to this.......','',0,'','26uf4dx0',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1683,443,3,408,0,'207.179.197.18',1069786294,1,0,1,1,1,0,'88ollie','sherry','I agree with Sherry&#039;s preformance -There is no one that could do as good of job as her!!!   It&#039;s the board I was talking about!!!','',0,'','28sta8jd',1,0,'',408,0,0),(1684,441,3,371,0,'171.75.99.52',1069789437,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Richard Lemmon','Just Dont Understand','I first thought that I read that Sherry was under contract to provide a service. This service was to manufacture a product called a magazine. Her title for doing this being Editor. Now I read that the board has a personal file on her and information in this file could defame her. \r\n Am I missing something?','',0,'','3k2g6kgs',1,0,'',371,0,0),(1685,429,3,253,0,'63.167.185.75',1069790049,1,0,1,1,1,0,'lindley Clark','TN Members','I live in the Memphis area, I would be interested in a West TN chapter and have three friends who I believe would also. Our club has a great new show grounds that would be great for a show!','',0,'','y1g0b8fs',1,0,'',253,0,0),(1686,441,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1069794550,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','Too many accusations','It is one thing to be unhappy with the explinations that have been given, but a couple of you are just throwing out a lot of wild statements and I wonder where you get your basis for them.  Who pays for Terry&#039;s attorney&#039;s fees?  Is this some wild grasp to knock our president?  Do you have some proof of what you are saying?  And what about Sherry being under a &amp;quot;gag order?&amp;quot;  Where did you pull that one out of?  You talk of having to try and get through all of this bull; the majority of the bull is not coming from the board, but from people that are making accusations that have no base...\n\n[Edited on 11-25-2003 by 98dba]','',0,'','15b02aa7',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1687,441,3,88,0,'67.74.251.191',1069797876,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','The  accusations seem to have originated against the (former) editor. But we have no idea what they really are. There were NO accusations here, until the president and or board started this whole mess by firing the editor. The one thing lacking here is a clear understanding of why this happened, and until that comes, there will surely be some accusations. A few people seem to think that we (members) should blindly follow what the board and president says or does......Well, speaking for myself,,,,,No, I will not. An action such as this deserves an explanation, and so far we have heard none.','',0,'','k82orwqj',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1689,441,3,67,0,'64.6.2.95',1069806193,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Any monies spent for attorney fees are mine, not HPOCA funds.  I have never turned in a request for reimbursement for any expenses of this type.  As for insurance, the HPOCA does have an insurance policy to cover any HPOCA member, at any HPOCA event.  This policy also covers any member for errors and ommissions in the magazine, as long as they are acting in the capacity of a member.  The insurance company considers anyone who is paid for their work or contribution (such as an editor) to be acting in a capacity other than that of a member, and are not covered.  This insurance was purchased at the request of the membership.  We have tried for several years to get coverage for the chapters also, but due to the wide geographic area, we have not yet found an insurance company who will consider providing this coverage.  As for the personnel file, all that was said was that this information would be considered a personnel file if the person were an employee.  As I said before, Sherry is free to post the letter if she wants to, she is the only one who can do so.','',0,'','6jrpq9ko',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1690,441,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1069817326,1,0,1,1,1,0,'yieldmap','So here&#039;s my question...','Sherry is obviously reading the posts here.  If the members want to see the letter so badly, why doesn&#039;t she post it?  It&#039;s pretty obvious why Terry and the club can&#039;t do it.\r\n\r\nIt seems that you guys shouldn&#039;t be screaming at Terry so much, but may be Sherry.  Try that for a while.','',0,'','1ia8gsam',1,0,'',3,0,0),(1691,441,3,26,0,'216.176.88.27',1069850696,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','Valid reason','It&#039;s very simple Sam. The board owes me money since they terminated the contract prematurely.  If I post the letter, it is only going to outrage the membership even more.  At this point I&#039;m not sure what the board is capable of and I don&#039;t feel like fighting them to have to get what is owed me.\r\n\r\nAnd no, I&#039;m not sitting here at the computer watching this unfold.  There was an entire week when I didn&#039;t even turn on the computer.  It&#039;s not easy to see something that I care so much for be ripped apart.','',0,'','2pyxxr03',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1692,441,3,47,0,'65.238.36.34',1069852982,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Well Y&#039;all,\r\nI was just wondering how many of those who are complaining voted for President Allen, or didn&#039;t vote at all. You had an option, so don&#039;t go trying to kill the horse after you hitched him up to the plow. Otherwise you are being hypocritical. I think Terry posted everything he could legally post, in fact he posted more than I thought he would, there are liability issues here.\r\nI read elsewhere on this site where someone said that nobody could do as good of a job as Sherry. That dog don&#039;t hunt, and if it did, we are in bad trouble. One of the first things we were told by an old Colonel in the US Army was that NOBODY is indispensible, everybody including the Commander-in-Chief, and himself are expendable. In any organization when one person becomes such an asset that that organization can not function without them, it becomes a matter of time before that organization fails.\r\nAs far a Sherry not posting her termination letter, I can understand that, you don&#039;t want to make things public that would cause you embarrassment. What I have heard of that letter, every charge is substantuated. It would not outrage the members, but explain to the members. I have never known of HPOCA witholding payment on a valid contract, so as far as her reason, that dog don&#039;t hunt!','',0,'','3ehkev73',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1693,441,3,345,0,'165.206.209.230',1069858114,1,0,0,0,1,1,'Harold','','Andy;\r\n\r\nI think you are blindly following Terry, and maybe I am following blindly too, but I support Sherry.\r\n\r\nSmall town p.d. having problems with its&#039; cheif right now, when the officers made complaints public, the main two complains were,1) didn&#039;t get new arm patches and business cards as fast as they wanted, 2) didn&#039;t get new police cars outfitted as quick as they thought they should have been.\r\n\r\nEveryone in that podunk town is fired up and wants to hang the cheif, but all the accusations of the police officers are fly sh%#. Bottom line, someone else wants his job.\r\n\r\nMay be real similar to the accusations against Sherry.(??)\r\n\r\nHopefully you and Terry don&#039;t think I (we) are stupid enough to believe the letter in the magazine had nothing to do with the termination. Not only doens&#039;t that dog not hunt, the dang thing doesn&#039;t even walk!\r\n\r\nI think Sherry has reasion to be concerned about recieving pay in a timely manner, and I would procede as she is doing.\r\n\r\nI WILL remain an HPOCA member, because the purpose of it is larger than any one person. I also hope the new editors are as good or maybe even better than Sherry.','',0,'','1azz5e35',1,0,'',345,0,0),(1694,441,3,372,0,'66.11.110.152',1069861967,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','Super members???','It seems that some people like Andy (who says he is not on the Board) know what all the rest of us don&#039;t know and can&#039;t seem to find out.  If the Board has to be as tight lipped as Terry says, then how do Andy and a few others come to know so much??  Apparently we have haves and have nots when it comes to knowledge about OUR club.','',0,'','26mkymzj',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1695,441,3,372,0,'66.11.110.152',1069862410,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','A Letter to the Members','Terry,\r\n   I think that in the interest of the membership that you should issue a letter to the membership with a FULL explanation of the reasons for the Board&#039;s actions.  Yes, it would be expensive (6000 X $0.37 = $2220) but if you want to restore the confidence of the members in the Board would be worth it.  If you choose not to send the letter, many of us will read something from that as well.','',0,'','2wtxcd9r',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1696,447,3,372,0,'66.11.110.152',1069863420,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','The Election for Vice President','It is reasonable to assume that as a Board member the current VP participated in firing Sherry.  Before I send in my ballot, I&#039;d like to hear from the other candidate, Dean Smith, on what his position is on firing Sherry.\r\nI don&#039;t know what others may decide, but unless a real explanation is forthcoming before December 15 I won&#039;t be voting ever for any of those who participated in that vote.\r\n\r\nONE WAY TO GET THE BOARDS ATTENTION IS TO SEND IN BALLOTS MARKED FOR THE CHALLENGER.  THIS IS NOT AGAINST JIM MUHS PERSONALLY.  IT IS AGAINST THE BOARD&#039;S DECISION THAT THEY DON&#039;T HAVE TO EXPLAIN THEIR ACTIONS TO THE MEMBERS','',0,'','wln9q1bm',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1697,441,3,411,0,'63.171.93.42',1069865368,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mark','Let&#039;s get a grip folks','Let&#039;s get a grip here folks.  This club is a club for Oliver afficianados, not a club just to be a club.  Most of us are members to be able to get the magazine, and make contacts with other Oliver friends.  Saying that you won&#039;t subscribe because of something that happened concerning other people is like saying I won&#039;t look at the flowers because there are bees all over them.  I don&#039;t know what happened between the board and Sherry, but I do know it&#039;s thier business, not mine.  I get a magazine every two months, and they&#039;ve been good.  I&#039;m sure the new editor will also do a good job, or they too would be fired.  Since money is changing hands, it&#039;s a business relationship, not a personal one.  But stating you will leave the membership because of something you don&#039;t have the full details on?  That&#039;s sillyness.\r\n\r\nMark','',0,'','2h7ue6k4',1,0,'',411,0,0),(1698,405,3,411,0,'63.171.93.42',1069865860,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mark','','Yes it does make a difference who the editor is.  I don&#039;t personally know Sherry, but I do know from reading her prose that she does love Olivers.  I do know the Loseys&#039;, and I also know that they love Olivers.  So what&#039;s the problem here?  It&#039;s not like they shipped editing duties over to the New York Times or anything like that.  Still produced by small town farmer types that love Olivers.','',0,'','3b1ep134',1,0,'',411,0,0),(1699,436,6,39,0,'208.210.151.176',1069869254,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mel Larson','Favorite Tractor','When I was young in 1948, we had a neighbor that had a Massey-Harris Pony.\r\nI thought it was cute. In 1970 I had a chance to buy with all of the equip. My kids liked it. Still no Oliver.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','ai11lsu5',1,0,'',39,0,0),(1700,441,3,372,0,'66.11.111.10',1069872838,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','','Mark,\r\n   I appreciate your point of view about your relationship with HPOCA and the magazine.  My view is that HPOCA is an organization that is not a business deal for me.  It is for fun and information.  What has gone on here takes the fun out of the organization.','',0,'','2u7t02ge',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1701,405,3,88,0,'67.74.252.103',1069881794,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','The whole point here is why does Sherry deserve to lose the editor position, not if someone else can do the job. She has edited the magazine for quite a few years and has done in my opinion, an excellent job. Most of us cannot see a valid reason for that job being taken from her. I am not a friend of hers, or anyone else involved here,,,I just don&#039;t like the way the whole thing has been handled.','',0,'','2p024vja',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1702,441,3,88,0,'67.74.252.103',1069882011,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I agree with Westville1, this SHOULD be an organization of friends with a common interest. It seems to have gotten far from that. Talk of lawyers and such just makes matters worse.','',0,'','xyykoooh',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1703,441,3,360,0,'205.188.209.42',1069883611,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','How does andy know anything???','One question here how does Andy know stuff from the letter if Terry isn&#039;t allowed to post anything. This is sounding like a circle of a few chosen or clique to me.','',0,'','23bkzsln',1,0,'',360,0,0),(1704,448,3,144,0,'169.207.71.236',1069884674,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','2003 penfield showbook','Does anyone know when we can expect the showbooks to be shipped out?','',0,'','4kcsbwul',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1705,27,2,144,0,'169.207.71.236',1069884929,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','Hart-Parrs','I&#039;m a Hart-Parr guy,  I got two of them.\r\n1925 16-30E\r\n1930 Oliver Hart-Parr 18-28  ser#800135','',0,'','3v4fvexa',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1706,441,3,389,0,'206.105.8.20',1069885148,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Dean Dardwin','c&#039;mon folks, let&#039;s be smarter than this!','HPOCA is no more a club than football is a sport. They are both businesses. Do the math; 6,200 members at $30 each is not chump change. Lives and reputations have been ruined over a lot less.\r\n\r\nTerry saw a need to protect his interests by hiring an attorney. Hopefully Sherry will do the same. It&#039;s very obvious to me that the whole story will never be posted here nor printed in the magazine. But I suspect that in the light of a courtroom, under oath, something approaching the whole truth will emerge. The “good old boys” have posted enough BS here to fertilize a couple of sections so I’m betting on Sherry.\r\n\r\nYes, it&#039;s sad it&#039;s come to this but as long as we have members who refuse to hold their elected officials accountable for their actions, then we all end up living Aristotle&#039;s axiom... &amp;quot;Absolute power corrupts absolutely&amp;quot;. There is no mystery here, it’s the same thing that’s happening in towns, cities, states, and that den of corruption we call Washington, D. C. Bury your head in the sand if it makes you happy but that’s not for me.\r\n\r\nI joined HPOCA knowing very well that the actual value of the magazine is maybe $6/yr. I knew that the other $24 was going to support the tractor collecting habits of a handful of “good old boys”. No problem until they betrayed my trust. Now it’s a problem. They won’t be seeing my $30 ever again and I’ll bet there are hundreds and maybe even thousands of soon to be ex-members who feel the same way. We might not hear from them, they just won’t write that check. And the “good old boys” will have nobody to blame but themselves.\r\n\r\nGood luck and a Happy, Blessed Thanksgiving to all my Oliver friends!','',0,'','wis0ex7k',1,0,'',389,0,0),(1707,441,3,368,0,'209.150.251.131',1069890600,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Fleetline Steve','','I have been reading some pretty outrageous posts for the last couple of weeks and it is getting really ridiculous. My HPOCA membership will continue no matter how many wild accusations are thrown around by people that don&#039;t know the facts and others that think they know the facts. The HPOCA will continue long after this mess is settled because there are many members that have the patience and vision that it takes to get through difficult situations. People should realize that what has happened is in the past and can&#039;t be changed. We need to move forward and focus on what the HPOCA is all about. If some members don&#039;t like what has happened then they should become more involved so that this type of thing doesn&#039;t happen again.','',0,'','1a3pa8im',1,0,'',368,0,0),(1708,441,3,47,0,'65.238.36.140',1069894020,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I know that I am a dumb hillbilly, the same folks that have been calling me by that stereotype all my life are the same folks that come to the hills and pay me $5 for 30 seconds work. I dress up real dumb, and charge $5 for them to take a picture with me. I have often wondered who is the dumbest, but I got the $5, all they got was a stupid picture, and they payed for the film. Now with that said, when I tell you the best benefits that can be found in this association is by participation, sit on your hands. When I tell you it is easy to make new friends, just work the booth at a show for a couple of hours, sit on your hands. When I tell you to sit down at a table of strangers at our banquets, and you won&#039;t be strangers when you leave, sit on your hands. When I tell you it is fun and rewarding to write things for the magazine, sit on your hands. When I tell you it is a great experience to join or start a chapter, sit on your hands. Because hillbillies are really dumb, and you can get so much more accomplished by sitting on your hands. But don&#039;t ask me how I have so many friends, and how I can learn thing, because you see, I am really dumb, I don&#039;t sit on my hands.\r\nAs far as me following Terry blindly, nah, most of the time we are at each others throat. But, I respect that he got 2/3rds of the members vote in an election with a vote count that doubled previous elections. Then we will go have dinner together, or a few beers, or both. Ya gotta know how to separate issues, and people, or it will drive ya nuts. Both are distinctly different things.','',0,'','1opw1jvp',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1709,441,3,47,0,'65.238.36.140',1069894716,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Dean Dardwin,\r\n$6 is a little low, triple your figure and you will be in the ballpark. $6 would just about pay for the editor, but you can figure that out, just review the treasurers report you were given at the last meeting.','',0,'','bmoh9wt6',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1710,447,3,47,0,'65.238.36.140',1069895941,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Westville1,\r\nHave you noticed, all of this controversy is contained in the state of Illinois, pronounced ill-annoys. I wonder if this is coincidence.','',0,'','l1qo6ta5',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1711,449,3,47,0,'65.238.36.140',1069896381,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','Florida run','Y&#039;all know,\r\nI left last Saturday night to haul a load to Miami, Florida, I was gone until last night. It was soooo.... peaceful!!!!! Now do you know what I am going to do? I&#039;m going to fix my DDH, and maybe I can get it back together this weekend to run over some trees.','',0,'','13p0m1m7',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1712,405,3,47,0,'65.238.36.140',1069896889,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Would you had liked it better before Le Sueur when the magazine was 3 issues behind, and the board had to send out a directory to appease the members. I didn&#039;t like the way Don Barnett was kicked off doing the website either. So much for rose colored glasses.','',0,'','2zyo6yuy',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1713,429,3,35,0,'68.221.137.187',1069897556,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','TN','Thanks for the response however I think for my part I will put this on hold until I can be sure of the direction of HPOCA.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','3uvwlyne',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1714,447,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1069897730,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','Hey Andy,\r\nI have a story for you:\r\nOnce upon a time in the Kingdom of heaven, God was missing for six days.  Eventually, Michael the archangel found him, resting on the seventh day.  He inquired of God, &amp;quot;Where have you been?&amp;quot; God sighed a deep sigh of satisfaction and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, &amp;quot;Look Michael, look what I&#039;ve made.&amp;quot;  &amp;quot;Archangel Michael looked puzzled and  said, &amp;quot;What is it?&amp;quot;  &amp;quot;It&#039;s a planet,&amp;quot; replied God, &amp;quot;and I&#039;ve put Life on it. I&#039;m going to call it Earth and it&#039;s going to be a great place of balance.&amp;quot;  &amp;quot;Balance?&amp;quot;, inquired Michael, still confused.  God explained, pointing to different parts of earth, &amp;quot;For example, northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth while southern Europe is going to be poor; the Middle East over there will be a hot spot.  Over there I&#039;ve placed a continent of white people and over there is a continent of black people,&amp;quot; God continued, pointing to different countries. &amp;quot;This one will be extremely hot and arid while this one will be very cold and covered in ice.&amp;quot;  The Archangel, impressed by God&#039;s work, then pointed to a large land mass and said, &amp;quot;What&#039;s that one?&amp;quot;  &amp;quot;Ah,&amp;quot; said God, &amp;quot;That&#039;s Illinois, the most glorious place on earth. There are beautiful lakes, rivers, sunsets and rolling hills, fantastic farmlands.  The people from Illinois are going to be modest, intelligent and humorous and they are going to be found traveling the world. They will be extremely sociable, hard working and high achieving, and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats and carriers of peace.&amp;quot;  Michael gasped in wonder and admiration but then proclaimed,&amp;quot;What about balance, God?&amp;quot;  &amp;quot;You said there would be balance!&amp;quot; God replied wisely, &amp;quot;Wait until you see the idiots I&#039;m putting around them in, Iowa, Indiana, Wisconsin, Missouri and Kentucky!\r\n\r\nOf course there are a few exceptions to every rule...','',0,'','3o14iwd9',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1716,449,3,5,0,'216.166.192.62',1069901337,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Your truck','Andy, I never heard what was wrong with your truck just before Penfield. You must have got it running if you just came back from FLA. give us some details. oleblu','',0,'','3dyetu87',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1717,441,3,345,0,'69.66.76.14',1069904737,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','confused','Andy, I am really confused, are you a super trucker or a hillbilly?\r\n\r\nOr just an overall (no pun intended) expert on everything?','',0,'','bye96h9y',1,0,'',345,0,0),(1718,405,3,88,0,'206.214.226.186',1069905634,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Well,,,,,,,,,,,correct me if I am wrong, but in the days when the magazine was behind, and the directory was sent out,,,,,,,,wasn&#039;t the editors job a non-paid job at that time???','',0,'','3uincat6',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1720,405,3,47,0,'65.238.36.216',1069911607,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','It was a payed part time employment.','',0,'','1ygxy9rc',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1721,449,3,47,0,'65.238.36.216',1069912033,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Right before Penfield #6 piston and liner came apart, which with 812,000 miles on the engine was prudent to do a major in-frame overhaul. I got it back up and running 2 or 3 weeks after Penfield. It runs good now, and the Florida trip got me away from the computer for 3 peaceful days.I would like to thank Buckeye Oliver Collectors member Jeff Miller for all the good advice and help rendered. Jeff works for Detroit Diesel, and is very knowledgable of their products. Without his good advice, even with all the factory manuals I have, I might still be working on that engine!\n\n[Edited on 27-11-2003 by Andy]','',0,'','17fu3j0x',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1722,441,3,47,0,'65.238.36.216',1069912716,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Harold,\r\nCan&#039;t I be both? Lots of hillbillies around here own big trucks, some smarter than others, the really dumb ones pull coal buckets, but I guess they need to be home everyday, so that is not so dumb. Well, I might be a dumb hillbilly owner operator, but I still can rub two nickles together. If I was really smart I would own a pizza shop, or grocery store, something like that.','',0,'','3mxjczu4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1723,447,3,47,0,'65.238.36.216',1069913920,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey 98dba,\r\nI heard that one 2 or 3 years ago, but it was about WV and surrounding states. Got another one for you.\r\nThere was a fellow traveling, and every once in a while he stopped at different churches, and went inside, looked around. In Illinois he saw a gold phone on the wall. He asked the parson about it and was told it was the phone to heaven, only $20 a minute, In Indiana the same thing for $10 a minute, Ohio, the same $5 a minute. When he got to West Virginia he went in a church, fed up with those money making schemes, he yelled at the parson, &#039;I guess you are going to try to get me to pay $3 a minute for your phone to heaven!!! The parson calmly replied &#039;Settle down my son,  it is a local call!&#039;','',0,'','3noptmds',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1725,441,3,404,0,'68.98.131.194',1069947872,1,0,1,1,1,0,'VADAVE','','Wasn&#039;t going to post again but I keep reading these posts.  When you go to meeting like a school board ot town meeting or a club convention it is as much about what isn&#039;t said and what is half said as anything else.  You have to read between the lines.\r\nSo lets do a little between the lines reading!\r\nFirst this isn&#039;t about Sherry getting fired as it is about ability and attitude.\r\n1) There is a new contract so all thaty happened before the contract is off the table and not for consideration.  Doesn&#039;t seem to be the case here.\r\n2) The new contract is less then 2 months old and slip ups in perfmance are to be expected as new habits are being established.  A person does not get canned for performance after only 2 months.  It takes a pattern and ignoring of counseling.\r\n3) Financial is a much more serious matter and one incident can be grounds to release an individual.  However, even that does not occur without the individual being given a chance to explain the incident.  That does not seem to have occured here.\r\n4) The last issue is gaging Sherry.  Any outfit that tries to not pay for performance already provided can standby to pay even more.\r\nAsk why I won&#039;t join--The attitude of the board seems to be off.  Worse the ability to supervise seems to be lacking.\r\nI would like to see a full disclosure of the management of the restoration of old #3 as there are hints that whole story isn&#039;t out yet.','',0,'','196ryhh9',1,0,'',404,0,0),(1726,27,2,407,0,'208.31.40.175',1069950832,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','Hart Parrs','I have some Hart Parrs, a 1922 15-30C, 1928 18-36, 1929 12-24. I am wondering though if anybody knows of how many 15-30 C&#039;s are left, I kinda stumbled on this one in a shed in Pennsylvania. Mine is the 108 th built.','',0,'','n0w4f4yr',1,0,'',407,0,0),(1727,441,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1069954861,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','VADave,\r\nYou seem to have some things confused here.  I hope I can clarify them here.\r\n\r\n1.  This one is my opinion: Past performance does matter.  I think by renewing Sherry&#039;s contract, the board was giving her another chance to kind of run things in a way that she can handle.  By what you&#039;re saying, to eliminate her the board would have to go through the a process that could take a whole year, and by then her contract is renewed again.  Then the past is wiped clean and she starts over again.  So I think her past performance should always be a consideration.  So her being let go after two months was because she did something unsatisfactory within that time period, and with a past track record this was unacceptable to the board and time to find a replacement.\r\n\r\n2. Again and again it has been said that financial matters were not in play in Sherry&#039;s termination.  Repeated one more time, enough said.\r\n\r\n3. Gagging Sherry...  I still don&#039;t understand where that come from.  The only thing I can see is Sherry doesn&#039;t think she can get her final compensation if she blasts the board.  This is bull since for one, I highly doubt they would do it and drag things out longer, and two since she could take legal action to get what is owed to her.  The president has said on here that she can post everything that she wants, but she is still under a &amp;quot;gag order.&amp;quot;  I think that gag order is self imposed.  Again last sentence is just my opinion.\r\n\r\n4. As to details to the restoration of Old #3, they are forthcoming in the next magazine.  I believe some questions will be answered there.\r\n\r\nNow that I have posted some facts for you, and before you start saying I&#039;m &amp;quot;privileged&amp;quot; because I have information, remember a couple things.  I take a keen interest in what is happening in this club, so I pay attention to what is going on and find out every detail I can before I say a thing.  I do not know the details of that letter to Sherry but I have seen instances of friction where she has had trouble with the board, and not just the current board either.  So gentlemen there is one thing I would like to stress:  Feel free to post your opinions; free speech is one thing that makes this country great.  But PLEASE get all your facts straight before developing that opinion. <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->\n\n[Edited on 11-27-2003 by 98dba]','',0,'','2ah61eug',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1728,405,3,88,0,'206.214.226.16',1069960947,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','So, part time employment, at least you admit that. In any event what does any of that  (that happened 5 (?) years ago have) have to do with the present situation? Maybe that was just a bit of good old boy &amp;quot;Smoke and mirors&amp;quot; just thrown in to confuse the issue a bit?','',0,'','ux4me5yz',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1729,405,3,47,0,'65.238.36.159',1069966485,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','No Doug_424,\r\nI simply asked you a question, you have not given me an answer just more questions, that is an example of smoke and mirrors. Why didn&#039;t you just give a yes or no answer to begin with?','',0,'','2p9lzn7t',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1730,452,5,12,0,'66.103.96.143',1069972298,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Forum Format?','After reading the posts about recent events relating to the HPOCA I have a question about the posting format. Is it or would it be possible to reply to a specific post without the post being at the end of the thread? I sometimes would like to reply to a certain post but am unable to do so. Thanks, WB.','',0,'','26ad7m33',1,0,'',12,0,0),(1731,447,3,372,0,'66.11.110.55',1069974258,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','','Andy,\r\n   I suppose that your post tells me that you find me annoying.  Some might find the same about you.  In either case there is no need to insult the good people of Illinois, a state of which i am not a resident.','',0,'','2fyiddw0',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1732,405,3,88,0,'206.214.227.131',1069975305,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','If I liked the way things were before (part time editor) has nothing to do with things now. Of course no one likes their magazine to be late, or not arrive at all. So,, if I can grasp what you are actually asking,,,,,,,,,,,,the answer is NO, I don&#039;t like my magazine to be late, but it hasn&#039;t been late for the past few years........So,, now I&#039;ll ask you a question,,,,,,,what is your point? I&#039;m not the one who won&#039;t answer questions,,,,,,,nor do I try to cloud the issue with a lot of W-Va,,,,,&amp;quot;I&#039;m a dumb hillbilly crap&amp;quot; You probably actually have a law degree from Harvard,,,,,,,,Don&#039;t you????','',0,'','16twnmvr',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1733,453,1,187,0,'66.43.249.120',1069976038,1,0,1,1,1,0,'s104x490','Oliver plow year','i found a oliver 2-16 plow model 4240.  wondering if anyone knows about what year this would be or any helpful info.','',0,'','3my9zctg',1,0,'',187,0,0),(1735,449,3,345,0,'69.66.76.238',1069979419,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','','Is that Detroit in a Large Car??\r\n\r\nI smiled about the coal buckets! Kinda like grain haulers in Iowa. A lot of them are farmers that just want to make enough to make the payments so they can use the truck during harvest, so a guy trying to make a real living at it has a harder time getting loads, except during harvest when the &amp;quot;barnyard savages&amp;quot; are busy with their trucks.\r\n\r\nDad is a retired O.O. and I know what you deal with. Me, I am a state employee, supported by you and the other trucker dudes that use our roads! THANKS!','',0,'','2kyssabd',1,0,'',345,0,0),(1737,452,5,345,0,'69.66.76.238',1069979802,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','','I just now wanted to do that, and figured out I could not.\r\n\r\nGood suggestion about being able to post a reply to someone specific, instead of at the end of the line.','',0,'','64hlp9yd',1,0,'',345,0,0),(1738,449,3,47,0,'65.238.36.69',1069980507,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Harold,\r\nI guess some folks call it a Large Car. It is a 1994 model 379 Peterbilt, 265&amp;quot; wheelbase, with all the bells and whistles. I bought it new to haul my Oliver, Hart Parr, and Cletrac tractors to the summer shows, but things got too darn pricey, so, I drive it for a living. Well, all the plans of mice and men! It does have a Detroit engine, 430 HP series 60.','',0,'','3kpol3wp',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1739,405,3,47,0,'65.238.36.69',1069981514,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Doug_424,\r\nSince your answer is NO, you would not have liked the termination better when the magazine was late. This would mean you like it better as it stands. It is a wonderful thing when you give things the opportunity to work themselves out, and they will eventually. No, I didn&#039;t attend Harvard Law School, I went to Marshall University in Huntington, WV, studied business administration and military science. It is my little brother who got the doctorate in law, they call that a J.D. which means Juris Doctorate, not John Deere. I must be a dumb hillbilly, everybody seems to think so, some tell me so, and I wouldn&#039;t want to make a liar of those fine folks, so I might as well admit it, don&#039;t hurt nuthin&#039;!','',0,'','1bhx927d',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1740,447,3,47,0,'65.238.36.69',1069982829,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Westville1,\r\nI didn&#039;t say you were annoying, just a way I pick on some friends in Illinois, have you no humor? Some like to really pick on me because of THEIR funny accent, doesn&#039;t bother me in the least, I think it is a blast! Now, put one hillbilly in a room full of hoosiers from Illinois, anything is liable to happen, add beer and whiskey and anything WILL happen, then mix in some Buckeyes and you will really have trouble. I&#039;m certain some of my Buckeye buddies will give me a real rough time for that one, but, we will have a lot of fun with it. 98dba doesn&#039;t seem to have a problem with me picking on Illinois, he is from there, but, he cracks hillbilly jokes on me too, Those who find me annoying, that is OK too, at least they are leaving someone else alone! What I do find annoying is that pratically every time I hear of a problem, or controversy, the name &#039;Illinois&#039; is mentioned. I am certain that not all folks that live there are involved, I still find it strange!','',0,'','1wcl55p8',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1741,405,3,88,0,'63.234.28.240',1069983981,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','No........I do not like it as it stands, and don&#039;t use your &amp;quot;expert at everything status&amp;quot; to put words in my mouth. Why don&#039;t you answer the question of what does the years old late magazine situation have to do with anything that is happening at this point.....And Hey ol Andy,,,,,,,good old boy that ya are.........None of us are impressed with yer credenditials,,,,,,,nor the page after page of your expert at everything statements. Knowing that you are a truck driver makes me wonder if maybe ya sucked in a lot of exhaust fumes on that last trip..........Oh just a bit of Pennsylvania humor,,,,,,,,We Yankees do have a sense of humor to,,,,,,,,Don&#039;t Ya Know...............','',0,'','23v10b7u',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1742,453,1,35,0,'68.221.137.187',1069985627,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','plow','I think your plow is a late 50&#039;s model.','',0,'','139bbuv3',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1743,447,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1069987221,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','Andy is right, I don&#039;t mind him picking on Illinois a little but.  I just understand that a few southern hillbillies are still scorned to be living under Northern opression, and I&#039;ve even heard that in some WV schools youngsters are running around believing that the South really did win the war!  So for this, I am allowing people like Andy a little slack to poke fun at us Yankees.  It is all in good fun. <!-- s:cool: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\":cool:\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s:cool: -->','',0,'','1tbbxl6d',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1744,452,5,10611,0,'216.93.70.18',1069994244,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','Sorry, but  that can&#039;t be done with this forum program. But I do understand where you are coming from. \r\n\r\nI have been looking at other forum programs to see if there is something better out there. One nice feature the software that drives this forum has -- it&#039;s free.','',0,'','5hxuvax2',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1745,447,3,47,0,'65.238.36.224',1070014434,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey 98dba,\r\nYou MIGHT have a point. Frankly, I don&#039;t care how they do it up north, but would the last yankee to leave Miami please turn out the lights. The great separation has been over for 138 years, I always thought we had won, because NOBODY wants to go up to that god forsaken place, and the yankees come down here by droves, in car convoys, and buses. You know, the dumb ones that give us dumb hillbillies $5 to take our picture. Actually I study civil war history, about as much as I collect Oliver lines. The only way the north won was by attrition, not by the skills of their army. Lee had far superior soldiers, just not as many. Prior to Grant being given command, the north had nearly lost, both at the wilderness campaign, and Bull Run, which unknowingly put Lee within 30 miles of Washington, without 1 union troop there to stop him. Lee was a gentleman, he adhered to a conduct that would allow for retreat from battle of the opposing forces. This is evident from the Fredricksburg campaign, when the union forces were allowed to retreat across the Rappahanock. He could have turned the river into a killing field, taking into consideration the layout of the battlefield, and troop position. The Confederate soldiers at the sunken road had a clear shot at anything that moved, clearly and completely across the river, and were within effective range of their weaponry. Grant was not, he was well known for drunken rages, was not well liked by his soldiers. He would throw his troops into battle as cannon fodder, using superior numbers for victory, without regard to losses. This is evident from casualty counts, both prior to and after his command. Burnside was afraid to attack, which gave Lee great momentum early in the war. The most accurate source for civil war history is &#039;Mary Chestnut&#039;s diary&#039;, Mary Chestnut was the wife of a politician on one side, and daughter of a politician on the other. She was at all major battles, on both sides of the lines, was well likes by soldiers of both armies. Her accounts are considered to not be slanted in either direction. I watched a part of a movie last night at my sisters house, it was about the hillbilly stereotype, Hollywood sure can make money off that. All the roads were dirt, it is difficult to find a dirt road in WV, I can remember when there was some, but now the only dirt roads I have seen are private roads. I wonder if they still have dirt roads in Oklahoma? I was in Atlanta earlier this week, the radio disc jockey was talking about WV, telling there was places without electricity, or running water, I don&#039;t know of any, I guess he had to look long and hard to find one, as everybody who wants electricity can just call the power company, they will come out and hook it up. Most rural areas don&#039;t have city water though. Most of these rely on wells or cisterns when the water table is too deep. I don&#039;t know of anybody who has a well or cistern that doesn&#039;t have a pump for running water, there might be some, but I have my doubts. I live out in the county, and have city water, and three wells that I haven&#039;t used in years.','',0,'','2ieydgp4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1746,405,3,47,0,'65.238.36.224',1070015584,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Then why didn&#039;t you answer YES, you would had preferred termination when the magazine was late. It was YOU that brought up the &#039;quite a few years&#039; issue, not me. If that is excellent, what is not? You don&#039;t like it that I don&#039;t agree with you, you become angry and lose you perspective, then rely on insults. This clearly gives me an advantage.','',0,'','stqbjxe5',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1747,441,3,404,0,'68.98.131.194',1070021574,1,0,1,1,1,0,'VADAVE','','98dba the few fact in existence at in Terry&#039;s first post and Sherry&#039;s couple.  \r\nPerformance under an earlier contract does not count!  Before a NEW contract is written and signed any performance issues are fully vetted thereby removing the issues from the table.  Cause for early termination of the contract has to occur under the new contract.\r\nFinancial was a consideration--You go back and re-read Terry&#039;s post.  &amp;quot;Fiducary items&amp;quot; means financial!  If financial wasn&#039;t involved Terry wouldn&#039;t have put it in the post or he did so to generate smoke and that is a poor choice for smoke.\r\nSherry&#039;s not gagged?  Again re-read the posts.  Some the money owed Sherry is being held for 60 days and Sherry won&#039;t say anything as a result.  Just what do you call that?\r\nI&#039;ll say it again this whole issue is about the attitudes and abilities of the existing board members.  I think the board has put the members at risk.','',0,'','1nn2dkbl',1,0,'',404,0,0),(1748,454,3,98,0,'209.51.206.33',1070025326,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletrac1','Magazine only','I&#039;ve been a member for a long time my membership number is between 600 &amp;amp; 700. Yes I don&#039;t vote or go to the meeting . I try to go to showes around Ohio. I just want the magazine.Why not make it seperate for the club so I don&#039;t have to worry about who does what , when? And maybe I would not have to pay $30.00 a year for a $20.00 magazine.I&#039;m just a poor construction mechanic that used to farm with Olivers.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->  But that is just my 2 cents','',0,'','1i8cdjhx',1,0,'',98,0,0),(1749,405,3,88,0,'67.74.247.47',1070036273,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','You raised an issue that is many years old and unrelated, I only asked why you did this?\r\nBut you refused to answer that question,,,,\r\nSo,, Again I will ask.....What does that have to do with present situation?\r\n\r\n You &amp;quot;think&amp;quot; you have the advantage, but in reality you are making no sense. You spend alot of time with your hillbilly stories, that only waste time and space, I&amp;quot;m not mad, and know that you will never agree with me, or most likely anyone else who posts a message here.','',0,'','5axgi1jg',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1750,441,3,88,0,'67.74.247.47',1070036789,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','VA Dave, I certainly agree that there is a LOT of smoke here...The reason for that is they (board and it&#039;s followers) think that if they talk a lot and say nothing and offer vague reasons that we (membership) will get worn out and just give up. Also, a good point about the &amp;quot;non gag&amp;quot; order on Sherry,,,,If there is no such gag order, why are they holding her money for 60 days? They could show us all that there is no gag order by simply paying her now.....','',0,'','3if2pykq',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1751,441,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1070049174,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','VADave,\r\nAs for financial being a issue, I was wrong in saying that it isn&#039;t.  BUT, it is not an issue in the way I think everyone is making it.  I believe that the fiduciary responsibilities referred to would have to be relating to Sherry&#039;s salary or budget, as she has no control over the club&#039;s finances.  Evidently there was a problem in that department.\r\n\r\nAnd I will say it again no matter how much you disagree, Sherry is NOT gagged.  Go re-read the posts yourself sir, Terry himself said that she is free to post anything she wants.  As for her pay being withheld for 60 days, this is a play on words.  She will be paid when it is due her, and her pay is due her every 60 days.  The last time I left a job it took me three weeks to get the pay due me when I left, but she has been promised it on the date it is due.  What exactly is the problem with that?','',0,'','687hky18',1,0,'',142,0,0),(1752,441,3,374,0,'205.188.209.42',1070073293,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Explanations','98dba....since you seem to be so knowledgable on whats going on can you answer a couple questions for our clarification?\r\n\r\n1) Is dba your initials??\r\n\r\n2) If so,would that be the same last initial as our president??\r\n\r\n3) If so,you won&#039;t have to say anymore...\r\n\r\nThanks.....Ed Brandt','',0,'','efs6yil7',1,0,'',374,0,0),(1753,441,3,374,0,'205.188.209.42',1070073556,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Explanations','Hey Andy....you seem to be far more knowledgable on most subjects here....but why would you want to open a pizza shop?Wouldn&#039;t a donut shop work for you,especially if they specialized in glazed donuts.......!!!!!!!:o','',0,'','1bjk94km',1,0,'',374,0,0),(1754,447,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.220',1070079666,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','To Andy and everybody else. I enjoyed the history lesson, but it is a little off topic for this thread. Feel free to use our Miscellaneous Forum for these types of posts.\r\n\r\nAnd as to some posters getting a little personal with what they have said, it needs to cool off a little. If this thread stops serving it&#039;s purpose, I will lock it.\r\n\r\nThanks.','',0,'','17lex4xe',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1755,447,3,238,0,'205.188.209.42',1070082086,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','Can I tekk a joke??? neutral\r\nI m from IL and had a friend retire in S Fla about 2 yrs ago. After the initial visits from all his northern relitives, he complained to me that they were getting longer and longer, but that he solved the problem. How so?, I queeried; He said that he began barrowing money from his rich relitives and loaning it to the poor ones. Now, my wife and I have a quiet winter!!:) Larry NE IL','',0,'','2uvnkugy',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1756,455,3,65,0,'216.183.132.156',1070085088,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Purpose of HPOCA','I&#039;m getting darn tired of postings here ! Go back and look at 5 things that HPOCA stands for!!!','',0,'','2zsfpegf',1,0,'',65,0,0),(1758,456,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070113963,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','hello','After reading many posts I thought maybe time to join the fun and put my name in the mix. I&#039;m member #747 in the HPOCA and part of the board of directors for the MDOCCA. I am very interested in why Sherry was terminated as editor. When I believe she has done such an excellent job. I will however keep a cool head until I have all the facts infront of me from both sides. Only then will I draw my conclusion. I see this issue is causing stress in the club and I don&#039;t like it. We all realize this could cause HPOCA to split in two. That is no good for anybody. In closing Sherry THANK YOU for all the work you have done as editor and to our pres. and members already decided to support him (whether right or wronge) PLEASE DON&#039;T BURN BRIDGES!!!! I hope to meet all of you in Lancaster this Feb. thanks, danny boy','',0,'','57vzung8',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1759,27,2,378,0,'209.152.81.49',1070132098,1,0,1,1,1,0,'hoov','Hart Parrs','I have 8 of them---Hoov','',0,'','2y603uvb',1,0,'',378,0,0),(1760,457,3,360,0,'198.77.42.95',1070137777,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','Questions unanswered','Andy, you still have not answered the post on here about how you, not a member of the board is privy to information that the president has deemed personal and confidential akin to a personnel file. Mr . Allen states that he can not post this information on theis web site or the magazine.  This is from your comments on here the other day. I guess if you in the clique Mr. Allen will give out the information. Mr. Allen you have violated the very priciple that you are said to be protecting by letting people in your clique in on personnal information. This explains that there is a big or maybe small clique running this club and if the clique is left out then they get mad.\r\n   Mr Allen has failed to put out why he could not be a leader as he is charged to do as the president of the club and face Sherry and tell her in person but you could not do that. I deal with 2300 convited felons in the course of a days work and through the course of the years that if they can&#039;t face you to tell you something they are in the wrong. Actions speak louder than words. I guess that this is also how he failed as a leader and when things were not to the liking of him and the clique of a board they could not do what good leaders do and take a leadership roll and open communications with and correct the problems that they percieved with Sherry (that only the clique knows what these percieved problems were) and correct them. Instead these great leaders renew a contract with and employee only to terminate two monts after it takes affect. I just don&#039;t understand how these decisions make them fit to be leaders of this club.\r\n    Mr. Allen stated that as a good leader he found someone else to make the magazine. My question is why did he wait this long. He should have done all this stuff before the annual meeting in july when the contract with Sherry was up. That is what should have been done by a leader. They say that these problems that they can not tell us had been ongoing. Then this exploring for a new editor should have been done in June and not November. I do not understand how you can be an effective leader when you can not face someone face to face and run behind there back. This a failure on your part or these problems were not that significant and now I can see how a lawyer is going to have a field day with Mr Allen and I am hoping that we have a club when that lawyer gets done with the leadership of the club. I would also like to know were the VP Candidates stand on this issue.','',0,'','2t7pr1tm',1,0,'',360,0,0),(1761,455,3,360,0,'198.77.42.95',1070137984,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','This is what this message board is for','This a message board and this is important information on this club and how it is run because right now it is being run by The Mailman clique in my estimation with alot of unanswered questions. \r\n\r\nQuestions unanswered\r\n\r\nAndy, you still have not answered the post on here about how you, not a member of the board is privy to information that the president has deemed personal and confidential akin to a personnel file. Mr . Allen states that he can not post this information on theis web site or the magazine. This is from your comments on here the other day. I guess if you in the clique Mr. Allen will give out the information. Mr. Allen you have violated the very priciple that you are said to be protecting by letting people in your clique in on personnal information. This explains that there is a big or maybe small clique running this club and if the clique is left out then they get mad.\r\nMr Allen has failed to put out why he could not be a leader as he is charged to do as the president of the club and face Sherry and tell her in person but you could not do that. I deal with 2300 convited felons in the course of a days work and through the course of the years that if they can&#039;t face you to tell you something they are in the wrong. Actions speak louder than words. I guess that this is also how he failed as a leader and when things were not to the liking of him and the clique of a board they could not do what good leaders do and take a leadership roll and open communications with and correct the problems that they percieved with Sherry (that only the clique knows what these percieved problems were) and correct them. Instead these great leaders renew a contract with and employee only to terminate two monts after it takes affect. I just don&#039;t understand how these decisions make them fit to be leaders of this club.\r\nMr. Allen stated that as a good leader he found someone else to make the magazine. My question is why did he wait this long. He should have done all this stuff before the annual meeting in july when the contract with Sherry was up. That is what should have been done by a leader. They say that these problems that they can not tell us had been ongoing. Then this exploring for a new editor should have been done in June and not November. I do not understand how you can be an effective leader when you can not face someone face to face and run behind there back. This a failure on your part or these problems were not that significant and now I can see how a lawyer is going to have a field day with Mr Allen and I am hoping that we have a club when that lawyer gets done with the leadership of the club. I would also like to know were the VP Candidates stand on this issue.','',0,'','16bnit3g',1,0,'',360,0,0),(1762,452,5,12,0,'66.103.97.66',1070150902,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','A Good Feature','I guess that&#039;s a good feature to have! I guess if I want to reply to a specific post I&#039;ll have to make it&#039;s known who it&#039;s directed to. WB.','',0,'','3q923t7m',1,0,'',12,0,0),(1763,457,3,88,0,'67.74.252.41',1070151427,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Well, maybe Andy doesn&#039;t really know what is going on. I know he gives the impression that he does, but like you said, he doesn&#039;t give any actual answers. And, If he does actually know the truth, he is obviously defending the president and the board, so in either case, I doubt we will hear much of anything from him that would describe the true events leading up to the firing of the editor.','',0,'','2om97z06',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1764,455,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1070155303,1,0,1,1,1,0,'yieldmap','I don&#039;t think that&#039;s what Canada Grant meant...','Pardon my assumption, Canada Grant, but I believe you were talking about the values of collecting, restoring, and appreciating Hart Parr and Oliver tractors.  I agree.\r\n\r\nCan&#039;t you other guys give it a rest and focus on what we all joined for?\r\n\r\n<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','1m9cqhy8',1,0,'',3,0,0),(1765,441,3,374,0,'152.163.252.199',1070159182,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','explanations','Terry....as a follow up to my previous post... was there not an insurance policy purchased at the March meeting?? Accordingly,it was purchased for the Board members?? Was purchased for around $4K and lo and behold,whom was it purchased  from?? Not a Board members relative,right??....Wrong..........\r\n\r\nCan members have a copy of this policy?? At least I would so we have our stories straight for the Lancaster meeting.....\r\n\r\nThanks...Ed Brandt','',0,'','22zhxsai',1,0,'',374,0,0),(1766,447,3,345,0,'69.66.77.154',1070161858,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','','Knew a trucker from Florida that said when he retired, he was going to come to Iowa in the summertime, and drive slow in the left lane, to pay back all the snowbirds that come down there and do that all winter long!!','',0,'','2f6wt6t7',1,0,'',345,0,0),(1767,449,3,238,0,'64.12.96.166',1070171294,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','Those Pete&#039;s are hard to beat for driving comfort. I&#039;m in the Excavating bus. and bought a new one in &#039;98 (379) for our lo boy. Bought it with a Cat C6 and Allison 6 speed auto. At first my driver did&#039;nt think the auto was &amp;quot;manly enough&amp;quot;, but now if the truck is down for more than a day and we rent a &amp;quot;shifter&amp;quot;, he squeeks like a dry axil.\r\nHope you get another &amp;quot;good 800K out of it.','',0,'','1q7fxbrk',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1768,405,3,47,0,'65.238.36.71',1070171306,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Doug_424,\r\nYou used the term &#039;quite a few years&#039; I suppose that means exactly as it says, so I addressed the situation of 3 years, 3 months ago, which is considerably less than &#039;quite a few years&#039;. At the Le Sueur board meeting I had to be convinced by Sherry that incorporating technology, additional cost reductions, and increased income were possible before I would change from opposing her proposition to contract full time, to supporting it. After which I spoke out in support of her issue to board members. One of the items brought up was the Louisville show, which she hadn&#039;t had time for, working part time. I saw her walking around at that Louisville show. I feel the reason she didn&#039;t work in the booth may had been linked to the possibility of contracting full time, thus was a bargaining chip. At any rate she had used the phrase &#039;I don&#039;t have the time&#039; in referance to the Louisville show prior to asking for a contract. She readily agreed to take care of Louisville as a provision to her contract. At the Nov. 8th meeting she again used the term &#039;I don&#039;t have the time&#039; in referance to the Louisville show. I know it does not take 60 days to put out our magazine, nothing close to that. I have seen enough text on this website since Nov. 8 to prove that. So, if she had the time in order to get her initial contract, why wouldn&#039;t she still have the time. That is the answer to your question as to how prior to her being granted a contract relates to the present situation. It is a trend, it was a trouble sign then, so it is probably a trouble sign now. Then was the deal with Don Barnett, she wanted his position of webmaster. I can agree that the website was junk in those days, and I can agree something needed to be done with it. But I can&#039;t agree to wait until Don couldn&#039;t be at a board meeting to pursue the matter, and I&#039;ll let you guess who was instrumental in that. Anyhow she got the job of webmaster, Chris Losey did most of the work. Then the board decides she should be payed for it, that was when Chris quit fixing the website. About a year later, after the decision to pay her for this website, she disagrees with the president, shortly after, she &#039;doesn&#039;t have the time&#039; to do the website. This continues the trend. I guess she has plenty of time now, and none of the new staff are complaining about not having time.\r\nI am glad you are not angry, I despise being angry, as anger steals from me.','',0,'','owbpw9fw',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1769,449,3,47,0,'65.238.36.71',1070171892,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey 39LC,\r\nI doubt I&#039;ll get another 800K but someone will if the don&#039;t abuse it. I am figuring to need another tax write off just about the time it makes 1,000,000 miles. 1 truck, 1 owner, 1 driver, 1,000,000 miles, doesn&#039;t happen often. Should get a good trade.','',0,'','1obeu1hq',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1770,447,3,47,0,'65.238.36.71',1070172406,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Chris,\r\nI am glad you liked the history lesson, as it complies to the &#039;educational&#039; provision of Article III of our Articles of Incorporation.','',0,'','1ngt6l1v',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1771,455,3,47,0,'65.238.36.71',1070173331,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey edfrazi,\r\nSorry about the delay. The answer to your question is very simple. I am a chapter president, also I chair the bylaws committee. As such, I must make it my business to know all I can about anything that would effect my members, myself, or HPOCA. In doing so, I spend a fair amount of time, and travel expenses. This is done on a volunteer basis with no cost to anyone except myself. As for any clique, I don&#039;t believe it. Perhaps you mean those who give of themselves freely, to advance HPOCA, if so there are not many. So, volunteering is encouraged, perhaps you would like to volunteer for something!','',0,'','1nic8p13',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1772,441,3,47,0,'65.238.36.71',1070173777,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey NYSOliver,\r\nI&#039;d be better off sticking to the pizza idea, 1,000-1,200% profit. Definately not donuts, the only folks here that want them are police officers, and you have to give those away. Without a doubt, not a southern snack food, maybe boiled peanuts though!','',0,'','cg99ne0o',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1773,456,3,47,0,'65.238.36.71',1070174518,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny,\r\nI is good to have member who are willing to wait to see how this works out. Without doubt, with a 3 digit member number you have seen this association go thru rougher times, and survive. We might very well have problems in the future, as we now have, and have had in the past, but we will survive, and prosper, which is the important thing.','',0,'','2k873fl2',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1774,457,3,47,0,'65.238.36.71',1070174793,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','If you want to get specific, why don&#039;t you get Sherry to post her termination letter? I did recommend to several officers, and directors to send her final payment as soon as HPOCA properties are returned.','',0,'','38rrdbwf',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1775,454,3,47,0,'65.238.36.41',1070198290,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Cletrac1,\r\nThat makes sense to me. I did mention the same thing several years ago, I think Ollie was President at the time, and was told it wouldn&#039;t work. I never did figure out why!','',0,'','1xlqa9bt',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1776,458,3,47,0,'65.238.36.41',1070201050,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','Time management issue','Currently I see the issue of magazine service providers not going anywhere. Those opposed to this change are deeply entrenched in their opinion. I have not been given sufficient hard evidence to allow me to come close to feeling that the board did not act in the best interest of the association. On this issue, as on issues in the past I have tried to remain open minded, and can change my position, given overwhelming facts to the contrary. I am just not seeing these facts here, so, I will continue to support the board. I would suggest those who don&#039;t agree with the boards decision, run for office. If you don&#039;t know how, u2u me and I will explain the various ways to be nominated. State your issues, qualifications, and reasons for running prior to the election, let the members decide. In the past we have had difficulty getting candidates, as not many want a position that requires one to travel several times a year, attend both national functions, be the complaint department, chief, cook, and bottle washer. And do it on thier our time, and own expense, then watch while their name is dragged thru the mud, over what they consider to be the correct, but unpopular decision. We are indeed fortunate to have such good members, because most folk instead of taking this type of abuse would simply say &#039;Take this job and shove it&#039;. On top of this, they don&#039;t make one red cent, nor are they reimbursed for their expense, though I think in the past some have been able to turn in long distance phone expense related to association matters, most don&#039;t even do that. Equally those who support the board&#039;s decision are not budging in their opinion. Only a very few are waiting to see how this plays out, but I feel their numbers are the highest, they are probably the silent majority, and since they are not opinionated, they are not vocal. Due to the fact I must have a report ready for the membership, concerning updating and changes to the bylaws, and it must be done before the Winter Get Together, I will be spending considerably less time on these issues, as they are futile. I must address issues of importance to our members, which makes these issues become time management issues for me. If you wish to address issues that would be of benefit to the members, you can address them on the bylaws forum, as that is where I will be making the donation of my time to our association until I have the bylaws issues resolved.','',0,'','2z6d56si',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1779,458,3,40,0,'152.163.253.34',1070201888,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Andy:\r\n\r\nI can&#039;t get my U2U to work.  Can you send me one?\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'','2kna4mg6',1,0,'',40,0,0),(1780,458,3,47,0,'65.238.36.41',1070203303,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Bill,\r\nI just did. Let me know how it works out. If there still is a problem you might want to contact the webmaster to help you fix it.','',0,'','s7wobozb',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1781,456,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070203966,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','hello','I have seen alot of changes in the HPOCA however very few rough times. Okay once my magazine came a few months late. That was rectified by hiring a full time editor. Bob Tallman use too be my source for behind the scenes HPOCA info. Now since his passing I&#039;m a little behind and in the dark. I am in Sherry&#039;s corner I&#039;m just not prepared to bash anyone until I am a little more enlightened with the details. I just  think its a mistake for members too bash one another this early in the game. Also it will be a mistake if Sherry and her family are blackballed from the club. No matter the reason. Danny boy','',0,'','10h1f9ug',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1782,456,3,47,0,'65.238.36.41',1070204451,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I agree with most of your post. This has gotten out of hand, and become an exercise in futility. I am addressing the bylaws, which is what I should have been working on all along.','',0,'','1gmc6r3u',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1783,439,1,254,0,'216.37.132.148',1070205351,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','Fender ext.','There is a pair in a local salvage yard on a 88. Are they hard to find?\r\nslim','',0,'','3gril75z',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1784,458,3,374,0,'205.188.209.42',1070211749,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','re:time management post','Ahh...Andy....you said it exactly the few that support the board have the adequate information to do so....insider info...\r\n\r\nWhy can&#039;t we have the same info you good ol&#039; boys have?? Maybe it would change a few anti-board opinions?? And then again maybe not....\r\n\r\nThere are quite a few of us that would love to get more involved....but who in their right mind would want this now...as tidbits of information (i.e.insurance)slowly evolve!!We applaud  anyone that wants to step up to the plate at this time and as long as its ABOVE BOARD they&#039;ll be supported.......\r\n\r\n\r\nLooks like you are still a little &amp;quot;glazed over&amp;quot; about the Board&#039;s decision as you were with my remark about the donuts:o\r\n\r\nEd Brandt','',0,'','2lqdge6r',1,0,'',374,0,0),(1785,460,2,416,0,'195.121.102.227',1070217198,1,0,1,1,1,0,'rfvdveldt','28-50','hello i have a 28-50 with a big radiator, maybe someone nows from wich serialnumber the begin with the big radiator. my serialnumber is 71691\r\ni have also a 12-24 with serialnumber 40534 and 18-36 with serialnumber 34960\r\nmaybe someone reqognise these numbers?\r\nand now where they came from','',0,'','u7wdmqud',1,0,'',416,0,0),(1786,461,3,415,0,'24.154.88.208',1070229424,1,0,1,1,1,0,'heritage-green','2004 HPOCA Winter Get-together','Members of the Mason Dixon Oliver Cletrac Collectors Assoc. have learned that some are having difficulty making reservations at the Eden Resort Inn in Lancaster, PA.  In order to expediate the process and receive the member rate you must use the phone numbers listed in the ad ie. 866-890-2339 or 717-569-6444.  Do not use an &amp;quot;800&amp;quot; number.  Inform the reservations personnel that you are an HPOCA member to receive the lower rate.  If problems arise, contact Bill Mantz 717-266-0692 or Don Moore 410-620-0275 for assistance.\r\nBetty Moore, Secretary, MDOCCA','',0,'','34czgagp',1,0,'',415,0,0),(1787,441,3,88,0,'67.74.252.76',1070231951,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I have friends with a pizza shop,,,,they make a good living, but hard hot work. The 1200% profit idea,,,,,forget it....\r\n\r\nI think Andy should just stick to getting dumb northeners paying him $5 a picture....And here&#039;s another idea, when that truck of his reaches 1,000,000 miles, he might get a few bucks for a picture of a hillbilly and a million mile truck too.....Think about it......','',0,'','3eecr6wj',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1790,460,2,378,0,'209.152.81.53',1070239314,1,0,1,1,1,0,'hoov','','Hi rfvdveldt\r\n\r\nThe 28-50 tractor you have was built in 1930. 71701 was the last 28-50 produced so your tractor 71691 is a late one.The first 28-50 with the wide radiator was made in 1928 serial number 70952. 450 narrow radiator tractors were made before the wide radiator tractors.\r\n    The 12-24 serial number 40534 was made in 1929 and is a 12-24 H. The H tractor has a 3 speed transmission and a 5 3/4 bore engine.\r\n   The 18-36 serial number 34960 was made in 1929. It is a 18-36 I. The I tractors were the last 18-36 tractors produced. These tractors have a three speed transmission.\r\n   All the tractors were built in Charles City Iowa.To the best of my knowledge no records exhist showing where they went when they left the factory. Production of all Hart Parr light weight tractors ended in 1930.-----Hoov','',0,'','no9blzdo',1,0,'',378,0,0),(1791,441,3,67,0,'64.6.2.76',1070240706,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Ed--in response to your questions about our insurance policy--Yes, there was a policy purchased at our March meeting.  It replaced our corporate liability policy that had inadvertently lapsed about 2 years ago.  It is a general liability policy covering any HPOCA member at any HPOCA event.  The annual premium is $3021, plus taxes and fees, total $3221.  A copy of the policy is available for inspection to any HPOCA member, as it is the clubs policy.  If you want a copy, please let me know of what you want.  The total policy is approx. 40 pages, as insurance forms are lengthy.   I had originally asked 6 insurance agents to quote on this coverage.  2 declined, 2 later said that their company would not quote this coverage because of the wide geographic areas in which we hold events, and 2 returned quotes.  1 quote was for approx. $7000, and one for $3000.  We purchased the $3000 policy, which was from the daughter of a board member, who is also a HPOCA member.  I believe that her efforts on our behalf are what enabled us to purchase insurance at a much more reasonable rate.  Terry.','',0,'','2bmy8grn',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1792,462,1,417,0,'12.77.41.70',1070245081,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cc oliver','super 44','need help finding a draw bar  to buy or\r\nmake a copy of one:(','',0,'','3hmkd44m',1,0,'',417,0,0),(1793,458,3,47,0,'67.241.135.116',1070247538,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey NYSOliver,\r\nEd, I wasn&#039;t going to get on this forum for a while, as I feel it more important to deal with the bylaws, but I saw where Terry made a post and opened it anyway. You are right, anyone in their right mind wouldn&#039;t want to mess with this stuff, but all my friends here tell me that I am not in my right mine for messing with that rusty old junk. As to the insurance issue, it was bought at the Wentzville, Mo. Winter Get Together, it covers members at our events, and the cost is one heck of a bargain, President Allen addressed the issue at the membership meeting. I wish other organizations I belong to could buy it so cheap. What they didn&#039;t buy which I would recommend is personal liability insurance for officers and directors. I would also recommend bonding our officers. If you were paying attention to my posts prior to the last election, you would notice that I oppose exec sessions, that hasn&#039;t changed, I believe in open meetings, but since we do have exec sessions, I believe that things that are not public knowledge, should be addressed by those involved, not second hand. I try to keep it that way, but being human, sometimes I slip up. Don&#039;t let a little bit of controversy keep you from contributing to the association, helping out is the best way to keep up on things, and worst case scenerio, you will have a great time, I know I do! I must make my daily, or weekly contribution, whichever way you want to figure it, I must get back to the bylaws.','',0,'','20zw34c7',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1795,458,3,372,0,'66.11.110.138',1070252588,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','Time Management','Speaking of time management, a letter from the Board NOW would save all of us a lot of time and the club a lot of lost members.  I am not sure that the promised explanation from Terry in the next magazine is going to be any better than the one posted here.  If a letter were sent, at least we would know soon how much the Board is willing to trust the membership with the facts.  How about it Terry-- will you send an explanatory letter to the membership?','',0,'','12pcq4br',1,0,'',372,0,0),(1798,441,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1070303746,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Clarification question','Terry, my understanding is that the HPOCA liability policy is only in force for nationally sanctioned HPOCA events. i.e.:the summer national shows, winter get togethers and board and planning meetings. The liability policy wouldn&#039;t cover Chapter events. Is my understanding correct?','',0,'','vmwl1h5p',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1799,439,1,144,0,'169.207.130.14',1070317397,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','fender extensions','There are somewhat hard to find, Are the ones in the local salvage yard in decent shape? I would be interested if they are.','',0,'','13gu9gn6',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1800,111,1,417,0,'12.77.2.155',1070324897,1,0,1,1,1,1,'cc oliver','parts for a super 44','do yqu have anything for a super 44','',0,'','2hbfvvmu',1,0,'',417,0,0),(1801,463,1,422,0,'63.120.181.178',1070327933,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oliver Barn','1465','I have a 1973 Oliver 1465 Diesel for sale. A photo can be seen at <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.mikesoliverbarn.com\">www.mikesoliverbarn.com</a><!-- w -->\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:mike@mikesoliverbarn.com\">mike@mikesoliverbarn.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','588j6zhg',1,0,'',422,0,0),(1802,441,3,67,0,'64.6.2.52',1070328453,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','John--your assumption is correct.  We have been trying for a long time to get insurance to cover chapter events, but have not yet found an insurance company who will even quote on it.  Our current coverage covers any HPOCA member, at any HPOCA event.  Terry.','',0,'','vwqod4l3',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1805,405,3,26,0,'216.176.88.174',1070341827,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','What??????','Andy,\r\nYour perception or understanding of things is slightly off key.  Before you spread anymore misunderstandings, let me clear up a few thing.  At the meeting, I didn&#039;t mean I did not have time to do Louisville, I simply said &amp;quot;I need a break&amp;quot;.  You have NO clue how much time it takes to get ready for that show and how much responsibility is put on me.  I&#039;ve been going down there and assisting with the booth for 10 years.  The past few years it&#039;s been COMPLETELY on my shoulder.  I just needed a break and that&#039;s what I asked for. That&#039;s all. You also don&#039;t realize that I hardly have one day to prepare for that show because a magazine deadline is always a day prior to that show.  Last year I left for Louisville 12 hours after sending a magazine to the printers.  \r\n\r\nI was NOT after Don Barnett&#039;s job as the webmaster.  Don&#039;t make this personal.  Too much of that has happened in the last year.  Yes, I agreed to be the webmaster because we desperately needed a website that was fully functional and I needed access to it to post magazine information.  Chris Losey built the &amp;quot;forum&amp;quot; page and the &amp;quot;guestbook&amp;quot;.  I could not have done those without Chris&#039;s help.   I put together everything else though.  I had quite a few hours invested in building the site.  \r\n\r\nI was offered $500 per year for additional duties which included building the website and mailing out all the back issues.  That&#039;s less that $10 per week for duties that took about 3 hours a week (and that didn&#039;t include building the site initially).  You do the math.  \r\n\r\nNo, it does not take 60 days to lay out a magazine.  But you are obviously clueless as to the additional duties that I do on behalf of the HPOCA.  They are not listed in my contract, but if you&#039;d like a list, I could probably provide one.  I wish that the board members would have spent a day or two at my place and see what I actually did.  One board member has been in my office and he&#039;s the only one that voted to keep me.  \r\n\r\nAndy, my shoulders are getting tired, so do you think you can quit the Sherry bashing now?  According to the radio, tis the season to be jolly.','',0,'','1i2gjlg9',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1806,464,1,40,0,'205.188.208.10',1070372560,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','Parts for Threshing Machines','My brother just purchased an Oliver 22-36 threshing machine.  He needs a couple of belt pulleys for it.  \r\n\r\nDoes anyone out there know of  a good source for such parts?:)','',0,'','mroymozh',1,0,'',40,0,0),(1807,405,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070398278,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','wonder what Bobs thinking','Sherry I believe more people are for you then against you. The next magazine I am certain will be interesting reading and the one after that even more so. As long as all the opinions of readers are published. On a side note many years ago I had written to the magazine looking for parts. You had turned me too Bob Tallman . Not only was he able to help me with the parts I needed, but we developed a friendship I cherished. I miss hearin his stories. Thank you for steering me in his direction.\r\n  I wonder with all thats going on? Well never mind I know exactly what Bob must be thinking.   Danny','',0,'','1d9umuk6',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1808,405,3,88,0,'65.58.147.184',1070405118,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I somehow doubt that much anything will be published in the &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; magazine that is at all critical of the board or it&#039;s actions. That&#039;s what having control is all about.\r\nIt&#039;s a good point about what Bob Tallman would think. Seemed like a very reasonable man.......too bad there are so very few like him left.','',0,'','1yv1frm6',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1809,454,3,98,0,'209.51.206.61',1070406727,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletrac1','I&#039;m cheep','How about one price if you want to be in the club ,and less if you just want the Magazine and none of the politics.<!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->','',0,'','7fiourvi',1,0,'',98,0,0),(1811,446,1,425,0,'216.117.57.48',1070410983,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Scott Thomas','550 Oliver','My father has a 1959 550 Power steering Live PTO 3Pt hitch very clean and very sharp tractor $5000.00. 812-275-3009. Bedford, Indiana\r\n Scott Thomas\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:sethomas@skyenet.net\">sethomas@skyenet.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','3ks24kyt',1,0,'',425,0,0),(1813,465,3,176,0,'216.61.121.105',1070415515,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Barry-KC','Hart Parr #3 model','Just received my HPOCA version of the Hart Parr # 3 made by Spec Cast that we ordered at the summer show.\r\nIn spite of excellent packaging, there is a problem with the model.  Do I contact Spec Cast or deal with HPOCA.  If Spec Cast, what is their contact address or telephone number.\r\nThanks,\r\nBarry','',0,'','1ojzaeet',1,0,'',176,0,0),(1814,446,1,35,0,'65.82.173.236',1070420253,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','550','If you are interested you are more likely to find a better deal in the south. Yesterdays Tractor has one for about $2700. I paid $3200 for mine. I know of two or three for sale in TN within the $3000-4000 range.','',0,'','1pxf8mv4',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1815,465,3,67,0,'64.6.2.140',1070421403,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Barry--sorry to hear that you have a problem with the toy.  While talking with Landis Zimmerman today, he told me that he has run into a few of the toys that had broken pieces upon arrival, and that he had talked to Spec Cast about this.  They thought that their packaging was sufficient, and that the problems may have occured before shipping.  Regardless of when, they have agreed to stand behing this.  Please contact Landis to take care of this.  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:zoc@att.net\">zoc@att.net</a><!-- e -->, or 717-738-2573.  Terry.','',0,'','6b1to1pa',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1816,454,3,67,0,'64.6.2.140',1070422482,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I agree that Cookieoliverman has stated the facts pretty well.  Current costs of producing the magazine-including expenses for putting the magazine together, printing, postage, maintaining the mailing list, etc. total approx. $125,000 per year, which breaks down to just over $20 per member.  This is actual cost. This does not include any promotion or advertising for new members.  At $30 membership dues, we are able to hold our own, and try to continue to improve both the club and the magazine.  This has also been the only time the dues have been raised since the club was started in 1989. At that time the magazine only came out 4 times a year, and was a lot smaller than it is now.  Well stated, Mr. Cook.','',0,'','1uwgjat5',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1820,454,3,362,0,'64.33.233.82',1070424726,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Norm','Mag.','I do agree, $30 is a little steep.  But that is membership, and the magazine is our clubs &amp;quot;newsletter.&amp;quot;  I don&#039;t think that $30 is out of anybody&#039;s budget, and if it is, there is probably someone who would lend them their copy to read.  I think that we are a club with a darn nice magazine, not a magazine that has a &#039;club&#039; with it.  \r\nNorm','',0,'','lq14b02w',1,0,'',362,0,0),(1821,465,3,176,0,'216.61.121.105',1070425310,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Barry-KC','HP #3','Thanks Terry\r\n Barry','',0,'','2kzwb8lp',1,0,'',176,0,0),(1822,465,3,35,0,'65.82.173.236',1070425589,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','No 3','I don&#039;t think it is the packaging. When I took mine out one of the bull gears was sitting in the styrofoam and the steering chain brace was broken. This is not like Spec Cast.','',0,'','32g23c18',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1824,441,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070480993,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','question on insurance','Terry I applaud you and the board of directors for doing HPOCA business with members and their families. Whether it be the purchase of insurance, construction or hauling. We have many hard working members with many different skills and many  are self employed. I certainly would rather hear of a HPOCA member getting HPOCA business than an outside company. My question for you is this. You said the insurance covers HPOCA members at HPOCA events. Will it also cover &amp;quot;temporary&amp;quot; members. Another words a non member brings his tractors to a HPOCA event. He doesn&#039;t wish to join HPOCA. However he would be willing to make a small donation to the club so he can be covered by the insurance for the event. Anymore it is a very big concern for me taking my tractors to small uninsured tractor shows and pulls. In todays lawsuit crazy world it should be everybody&#039;s concern. Danny','',0,'','rjoft1eu',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1825,405,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070486152,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Doug_424     I hope you are wrong. There are a couple articles I am very interested in learning from. !st I am interested in reading an article by Ollie about how his company came about hauling &amp;quot;Old #3&amp;quot;. Was he approached by board members or did he volunteer his services. Was there a board vote to approve his hauling #3. Also did the board know he had to rent a trailer to haul it. What demands were put on him by the Smithsonian. How much cargo insurance did the museum want him to hold. Did he have to find an insurance company to cover it. I am certain #3 is a far more valuable cargo than grain. (Thats what I understand he hauls full time.) Also did the museum map out the  route his truck is to travel. I&#039;d like a general idea what he went through to haul this tractor. Finally I&#039;d like to know why he was confident hauling this tractor for the HPOCA without a signed contract. I am an owner/operator of a tractor trailer. I do not know if I could have hauled it cheaper. I doubt it. However now is not the time to determine if anybody could. I would also like to hear from a board member as to why this job of hauling #3 wasn&#039;t up to bid. I guess everybody was still friends then. A written contract is the only way to keep a friendship when business goes bad. The 2nd article should be written by Sherry. I would like her to tell her story. What expanation was she given for her termination. When did she first notice the HPOCA board and certain members aligning themselves against her. I read alot of angry posts against her and still don&#039;t know why. Is it because of the trucking bill? Did she say the wronge thing to somebody she shouldn&#039;t have trusted? As far as the magazine goes as editor she has done more then a wonderful job. I challenge Ollie and Sherry to write these articles. I challenge Terry and other board members to explain themselves. I challenge the new editor to print all the controversy in the new magazine. Lets end all the rumors. Lets bring out all the facts. Lets let members decide for themselves  . As far as more people like Bob Tallman. There are still many people like him. &amp;quot;Just can&#039;t see &#039;em from the road&amp;quot;  Danny','',0,'','1qcxgq8m',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1826,405,3,88,0,'67.74.238.196',1070490166,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Well, I too hope I am wrong, and I&#039;m sure many if not all members want to hear answers and responses regarding this mess. I&#039;m just afraid that since we now have a magazine editor that has been selected by the same board who terminated Sherrys contract (only months old) we won&#039;t hear much but support for their decisions. In all the messages posted here we haven&#039;t really been given any answers have we? Just accusations, and talk about vague past problems. \r\n\r\nI have experience hauling lots of equipment myself, and would not have trusted just anyone to haul that #3 tractor. I know how easily using the wrong people or equipment can make for lots of problems. I think the fact is, it all ended up well, as far as the tractor getting there safely. Who ever did make the decision as to who would haul it, made the right one. \r\nI think if the WHOLE truth was known, it has lot more to do with personalities and perhaps a bit of jealosy rather than just the tractor hauling situation that led to Sherry&#039;s firing. Of course, that is just my gut feeling, and what I get from a bit of &amp;quot;reading between the lines&amp;quot; here. I just know that as far as the magazine is concerned, Sherry did a fine job, and deserved to continue to do so in the future.','',0,'','10uhpldh',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1827,466,2,144,0,'169.207.136.69',1070490248,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','Hart-parr 16-30 for sale','I have a 1925 Hart-Parr 16-30 E for sale.older restoration, runs great, looks great.  $5000.  could send pictures. \r\nEmail <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:rjoliver@execpc.com\">rjoliver@execpc.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','1gtlzerr',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1828,405,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070494332,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I agree Ollie was the best choice. In another post I applauded Terry for using a member of HPOCA to get insurance through. I applaud Terry and members for using Ollie to haul #3. However something went wrong with the whole arrangement. Jealousy?... Perhaps. I guess many people hoped they could get their hands on #3 and maybe their names associated with restoring it. However our name is associated with the #3. Ollie hauled it on the behalf of the HPOCA. It was HPOCA money that moved #3. Because of this we were able to display the oldest tractor in the world at our summer show. This is something we(HPOCA) should be proud of. All the other tractor clubs should be jealous of US!!!!!         I keep my challenge on the table. I refuse to   make accusations or put down any fellow members to get answers. I believe the board of directors needs to look into the way their business is conducted. Especially in the way they hired Ollie. This is not intended to bash Ollie. I don&#039;t believe any job should be hired out without a written contract. This protects both the employer  and person hired. I bet  until Ollie gets paid for his work.... He too wishes there was a written contract...guaranteeing his payment for the work he has done.','',0,'','yufuhzkb',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1829,405,3,5,0,'216.166.193.186',1070496386,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','#3 mess','From what I&#039;ve heard, the board had NO input into the hauling from Washington to Greenville, NO input into the restoration, and NO input on the hauling from Greenville to Penfield. These decisions were from the Smithsonian. All the board was allowed to do was pay whatever bills were sent their way. Seems kind of one sided, doesn&#039;t it? \r\n  Perhaps these issues and the Smithsonian&#039;s selection process need to be reviewed here, how and why the Greenville location was selected,  and why the board was not given the courtesy of having any say in ANY of these matters.\r\n  My 2 cents. oleblu','',0,'','2dsz3kxq',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1830,465,3,39,0,'208.210.151.238',1070504398,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mel Larson','H-P 3','The main bull gear was broken on mine. The wires that wrap around the axel for packing broke it. The bull gear is really fragile. I glued mine [not easy] but I didn&#039;t want to thru the trouble of sending it back. It is a nice model. I wish I could have seen the real thing.  Mel','',0,'','30rhlevg',1,0,'',39,0,0),(1831,441,3,67,0,'64.6.2.113',1070505665,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Danny--you bring up a good point.  At this time, the HPOCA does not have a provision for a temporary member.  To be covered by our insurance, you would have to be a regular member.  Terry.','',0,'','1mwoan2u',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1832,465,3,35,0,'65.82.173.236',1070506496,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','No. 3','Mel\r\n\r\nI was at Penfield and old 3 was a sight to behold. I have several pictures with me standing close by. Just hearing it run was worth the trip. I think I will attemt to repair mine. I am thinking about using super glue gel. I also have to glue the chain supports. The toy really looks good.','',0,'','2eqf9uey',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1833,358,1,172,0,'24.80.33.208',1070522791,1,0,1,1,1,0,'tractorboy880','chrysler engine','There is a difference from the combine to a car engine. The industrial verision of the 318 usually has 4 rings per piston, instead of 3.','',0,'','30quumzd',1,0,'',172,0,0),(1834,441,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1070542434,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Temporary Members','We solved that problem at our club by having an honorary membership level included in the by-laws. This type of membership is for people from the community that volunteer to work during the show and is limited to 10days. It works very well and the insurance company said it worked for them. BTW, the liability porrtion of our club&#039;s policy cost us $9000 this year and includes 3 events, covers our 90 acre showgrounds and covers off site activities and members doing club business in their own vehicles.','',0,'','3cgysrze',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1835,465,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1070549207,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Got mine yesterday','Same problem with the bull gear except that mine was broken in 2 pieces. There is no way I can see that this happened in transit. The packaging is excellent. I called Landis and the problem will be covered by Spec Cast. I am thrilled with the toy. It looks great and will be a good addition to my collection. Just disappointed that it will take some extra effort on everyones part.','',0,'','arwswre3',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1836,441,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070580199,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','Covered butts a good thing','Thanks John, Thats what I was thinking. I know there are tractor pulls in New Jersey, where their club makes it mandatory you pay for membership before you pay the hook fee. It only makes sense. Everybodies butt is covered and covered butts is a good thing!!!Terry, this  may not be a bad idea too look into in the  future. Danny','',0,'','1nxy88fh',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1837,405,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070581533,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','Final question most exciting','It does seem a little one sided. However did the board make a vote on taking over the bills? Was it fully explained too the board &amp;quot;their part was only too finance the project&amp;quot;? Do board members feel although that the HPOCA&#039;s part in this venture was not fully explained to them? My final question is most exciting.... Because HPOCA financed this venture. When our museum is finally built. Is there a chance the Smithsonian will lend us the tractor to put on display?   Danny','',0,'','23gvgtuf',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1838,467,1,396,0,'205.187.135.162',1070634353,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Edd','Torque sequence for 1948 OC3','I need to replace the head gasket on my 1948 OC3 and do not know the sequence for the head bolts.  Anyone know where I can find the info?\r\n\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:ed-marly@msn.com\">ed-marly@msn.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','2cys8ssf',1,0,'',396,0,0),(1839,468,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070645875,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','MDOCCA Oliver wrench','Just wanted to make sure everybody purchased a wrench for X-mas. I take special pride in these wrenches and wouldn&#039;t mind a little feedback on them. I just came from our local foundry with 81 (2004) wrenches. They still have to cast a few more. However.... WARNING: ALL MDOCCA MEMBERS A WRENCH PREP PARTY WILL SOON BE IN THE WORKS. I&#039;m hoping the end of Feb, begining of March my new shop will be complete. So I can host it and show off my new shop at the same time.   Danny','',0,'','3olcgemd',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1840,469,5,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1070646302,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','ATTN ADMIN!','Hey Chris, is there anyway to set it up where you can just look at the new posts in a thread without having to scroll thru all the old stuff.  I am on a couple message boards like that.  Also I noticed on threads that are &amp;quot;sticky&amp;quot; like Whats Going On, you cant tell if anything is new or not, because of the different indicator.  There was one other question I had, but now have completely lost it:o  Oh well....maybe next time!','',0,'','38fpyr70',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1841,470,1,428,0,'65.148.214.51',1070658274,1,0,1,1,1,0,'winesnvines@msn.com','Wanted oliver 99 4cly  sleeves and pistons','Wanted! 99 4cylinder sleeve and pistons. Please call Floyd 559-834-2594','',0,'','7jmlf2o5',1,0,'',428,0,0),(1842,469,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.150',1070669011,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','Actually there is a way. At the very right hand side of the topic listing next to the name of the last poster and the time of the post is a black arrow. Click on that and it will take you to the last post added to the topic.\r\n\r\nWhat&#039;s Going On hasn&#039;t been made a &amp;quot;sticky&amp;quot; topic, it&#039;s just so busy that&#039;s it&#039;s always on top.  The little envelope on the left of the topic should be a reddish color if something new has been added since your last visit. This feature doesn&#039;t seem to work 100% of the time. Hopefully it will be fixed by an update that I have to install.\r\n\r\nTo really speed up your browsing, click on Today&#039;s Posts. It is in the green bar that is just below the club logo in the upper left hand corner of the screen. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','3sq4iedr',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1845,405,3,47,0,'67.241.135.135',1070686398,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny,\r\nI have just got back, and read some of your posts. I know there has been on and off again friction between Sherry and the board for several years. I hope it is finished. I do have a question in my mind also. Back about a year or year and a half ago, Sherry had the board eating out of her hand. What happened so quickly to cause all this problem? It most certainly wasn&#039;t over #3, because I saw the situation deteriorating before that. Perhaps the conflict as to who takes care of the membership services got it fired up, in my simple opinion, that would be a membership committee duty, not a magazine issue, I may be wrong, but I doubt it. One if the most common comments I heard from directors for some time was if Sherry would just do the magazine, as well as the duties contracted, and leave everything else alone, they would be very happy. That may be the root of the problem. I can agree in your comment about not being able to haul #3 at market rate. There is a big transition anytime one changes commodities, it costs money. I think I would of gotten a load of CAT, from Peoria to Baltimore to help offset the cost. I can&#039;t comprehend that an institution as large as Smithsonian would not have an approved list of motor carriers that regularly haul their artifacts, and that would make bids. I also agree a contract would be appropriate, I have a contract on every load I haul, regardless of how well I get along with the shipper. Contracts keep us on a friendly basis. I was in attendance at the meeting where #3 was discussed, and a committee was formed to deal with it, about half of the amount of money was allocated compared to what was spent, and that was contingent on HPOCA receiving the loan of the tractor. It was not contingent on any outside entity receiving the loan. Senator James Jeffords, (I) VT, was involved. It is very hard for me to believe that with support of a US Senator, the loan would be denied. But, someone threw a monkey wrench in the works. That is one reason I doubt a museum will be forthcoming, it will now be much more difficult to get our foot in the door for federal funding. But, all that is done and over, let&#039;s move along, and prove what a wonderful association we have!','',0,'','3fz05t8e',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1846,468,3,144,0,'169.207.133.241',1070719518,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','','What is the 2004 wrench going to be ? or is it a surprise? The other wrenches you did looked good.','',0,'','1rzhf5fj',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1847,448,3,144,0,'169.207.133.241',1070719757,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','2003 Oliver showbook','Dosen&#039;t anyone know when these show books are going to be shipped? first it was october, then november, and now it is december .I hope it is here before christmas!!!!','',0,'','2hz1rsqo',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1849,448,3,67,0,'64.6.2.150',1070746435,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I have been checking on this the last few days, and here is what I have found out.  The proofs are done, and are being checked over now.  As soon as the proofs are finished, the books will be printed, hopefully next week.  After that they have to be bound, which should take about a week.  If everything goes right, we will be shipping the books by Christmas, hopefully within a week before.  It will be close, but will have everything ready to go so that as soon as I receive them, they will go back out.  Will do the best I can to try and get them out in time for Christmas.  Terry.','',0,'','3akvznwo',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1850,471,1,143,0,'67.2.241.110',1070752310,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnnye','770 front axle compatability','Just bought a very nice original 770 to use as a loader tractor.  It has narrow front and I would like to put on wide front for stability.  It is a 1962 with the Gemmer ps (which I heard can be troublesome).  What wide front ends will work on this?  I have a wide front from an 88.','',0,'','1m1e9xyu',1,0,'',143,0,0),(1851,472,4,381,0,'206.176.206.45',1070753519,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nailcreek','Oliver HG Tractor Rebuild - help','Since I&#039;m pretty &amp;quot;mechanically challenged&amp;quot;, I&#039;m wondering what the cost range and availability might be to have someone do a thorough rebuild of the machine for me? Preferably by some in Wisconsin. Ideally what I would like to find is someone relatively close that could do the mechanical work, while I do the parts searching and perhaps the &amp;quot;grunt&amp;quot; work of cleaning, etc. I&#039;d also like to use it as a learning project at the same time ... any suggestions?','',0,'','fhrigi33',1,0,'',381,0,0),(1852,468,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070758475,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','No secret','Thanks for the compliment. As I say I&#039;m very proud of this wrench project. I don&#039;t see any reason to keep the 2004 wrenches a secret. We had it casted from a Oliver prt# RP207. Although the 2004 wrench is shaped the same as 2003&#039;s its not near as big. Only about 8 inches long. Which is good. We won&#039;t need quite as big boxes to ship &#039;em. I was wondering  in the future maybe making Iron Age, Farquhar...etc...wrenches. Will folks still buy &#039;em or must they only say Oliver? We still have some 2003 wrenches. So don&#039;t feel bashful. Go ahead get another for yourself and one for your neighbor. Keep space on your wall cause MDOCCA would like to keep making wrenches for years to come. Danny','',0,'','1cz39lyn',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1853,405,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070762313,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Thanks Andy. You have cleared up a bunch. I imagine the board of directors approached Sherry about any problems prior to her termination. If not this could be a problem.  I&#039;m probably like many other members and enjoy reading Sherry&#039;s comments, articles etc... Got to admit she&#039;s a very good writer and whether editor or not. She&#039;s still good to have around for the magazine. Lets try not to scare her away totally from HPOCA. As far as the museum... I&#039;ve looked in past magazines and seen nothing but progressive talk about the museum. Only problems being just lots of paperwork. This is too be expected. Maybe I missed something. Or maybe its just been recently this &amp;quot;monkey wrench&amp;quot; was thrown in the works. I know you agree with me when I say &amp;quot;HPOCA&#039;s strength is in individuals&amp;quot;. I believe you may have said that in your run for president. I&#039;m not sure what I could have done other then writing letters explaining what HPOCA is about and the importance of it to a few senators etc. What I&#039;m trying to say even when the news looks bad, go ahead and print it in the mag. Maybe only to inform members excactly whats going on. I&#039;m still very optimistic about HPOCA having a museum. It may start out as a steel structure out in the middle of a corn field. Thats OK... I&#039;ll still fly/drive out there to check it out.        Danny','',0,'','2f1jzpzk',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1854,468,3,35,0,'65.82.173.236',1070763857,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','wrench','How much are they and where do I order?:D','',0,'','z9fpvcxj',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1855,405,3,47,0,'65.238.36.53',1070769255,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny,\r\nI don&#039;t know if Sherry was approached recently about problems, but she was in the past. She is a 41 year old businesswoman, as such it is her responsibility to stay current on her situation, and correct problems. As to the monkey wrench, that occurred during the attempted loan of #3, and was an embarrassment to the Senator, at least that was what I heard. As such, our name would be mudd for now with those people. I believe the monkey wrench was thrown by someone outside HPOCA, and the reasoning was believed by some members, not me! I have been around too many politicians to believe Senators can&#039;t influence such decisions. But, that is finished, now we need to revise our strategy, and try to accomplish great things. I do believe our strength is in the individual member, and the greatest reward for these members can be found in participation, at one level or another. Every member can contribute in some way, regardless of how insignificant it may seem, even pennies will in time create great wealth. I wouldn&#039;t be comfortable with alienating any member, too many have been alienated in the past, and that is something I just don&#039;t care for. As far as a museum, that is much more than a building with a bunch of stuff in it. It must have a proper administration, and staff, as well as a financial structure to insure perpetuality. Most folk think a museum is what they see, but what they see is only a tip of the iceburg, what you don&#039;t see is what keeps it going.\n\n[Edited on 7-12-2003 by Andy]','',0,'','37f7nakn',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1856,468,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1070785641,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Frank \r\n   You can send orders to:\r\n        Charles Moore\r\n    2745 Telegragh Road\r\n     North East, Md 21901\r\n   Phone#(410)398-3879\r\nThe wrenches are  $30.00 each plus $6.00 shipping. If you call ask for Betty Moore. Ask her if there still are some 2002 wrenches left. I believe there maybe a few of them left as well. Make checks payable to MDOCCA.  Danny','',0,'','3mrwsr60',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1857,405,3,26,0,'216.176.88.114',1070805009,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','Practice what you preach','Andy,\r\nYou&#039;re not comfortable alienating a member?  What do you think you&#039;re doing to me?  This is the first I&#039;ve heard about many of your comments. I don&#039;t have a clue what you&#039;re talking about with my involvement pertaining to membership services.  Does that mean if a member calls me and has a question about their membership that I can&#039;t help them because it&#039;s not in my job description?  I also wasn&#039;t aware there were any problems prior to #3 coming to IL.  In fact, to quote one of our executive board members &amp;quot;The problem with Sherry seems to have begun when #3 arrived in Greenville.&amp;quot;  And that&#039;s not heresay.  I have it in writing.  \r\n\r\nI also don&#039;t think you&#039;re qualified to be answering questions as to what has happened here.  You have never discussed any of this with me, so you only have one side of the story (or fable), therefore, how can it possibly be accurate.  \r\n\r\nAndy, enough is enough.  The board wanted rid of me and they have accomplished that.  I am gone as the editor and soon I won&#039;t even be a member, so why don&#039;t you just find someone else to pick on.  I have to concentrate on putting a new life together and don&#039;t have time to be on here defending myself from your accusations.  Are you familiar with the term &amp;quot;defemation of character?&amp;quot;  Be careful.\r\nSherry','',0,'','19p9nm0g',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1858,405,3,374,0,'205.188.209.42',1070805711,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','whats going on??','Hey Andy....accomplished alot,didn&#039;t ya&#039;....guess its back to the &amp;quot;woodpile&amp;quot; with the rest of the pack..........\r\n\r\nEd Brandt','',0,'','33b9m21d',1,0,'',374,0,0),(1859,405,3,47,0,'65.238.36.54',1070808289,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Sherry,\r\nThe incident I was refering to was your trip to Missouri City, TX, I don&#039;t know what you went there for, or what you told those folk. But, whatever it was, it sure got things stirred up with the board. To think the #3 situation did not have an effect would be foolish, I believe the fire was started before that, and that was just some gasoline thrown on for good measure. I saw how responsive the board was to anything you wanted a year and a half ago. To think they would change their position, and want to get rid of you for no good reason is just beyond something I could comprehend. If they were so pleased then, what happened to displease them? And to do so in such an intense manner, you know they tend to refrain from drastic changes. I would not enjoy seeing you leave, but that would your decision, not mine. So, if you don&#039;t want to join the ranks of us little people, do what you feel is best, as for me, I&#039;m not going anyplace, I&#039;m stupid, remember, they can&#039;t run me off. As for your claim of defamation of character, I have never made any character attack toward you, I have NEVER stated anything that could be remotely construed as saying you were of poor character, and have no intention of doing so, I have just addressed issues involved in the situation. As to your side of the story, why haven&#039;t you posted your termination letter and rebutted the issues brought forward in it?','',0,'','iz00ykdl',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1860,472,4,144,0,'169.207.130.93',1070808556,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','','You might want to try The Oliver Shop\r\nthey are located in Tigerton, Wi\r\nDale  (715) 754-5002\r\n\r\nI don&#039;t know if they work on crawlers or not, but give them a try.','',0,'','m9dpb0gr',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1861,467,1,429,0,'207.32.38.132',1070808617,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Albert Duroe','','Start in the center and work out.  If you would like to replace any head bolts you can used a 2 1/2 in bolt in place of the 2 1/4.  Spark','',0,'','3p5ddz79',1,0,'',429,0,0),(1862,405,3,88,0,'65.58.146.62',1070826792,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I think Andy has alienated more than one member. No need to say much more than that. But I&#039;m sure Andy will have a lot to say about it, as he has a lot to say about everything.','',0,'','2mbl7qvd',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1864,405,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.204',1070841176,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','Topic Closed','The posts in this thread have gotten too personal for my tastes as adminstrator of this board. Because of this, I am closing this thread.  It can be viewed, but no more posts can be added to it.\r\n\r\nIf everybody wants to be civil about discussing this subject, then start a new thread.\r\n\r\nIf you want argue personal details, then I suggest you email each other or use the U2U feature of this board.\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'','1qxjheml',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1865,440,1,238,0,'152.163.252.198',1070923559,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','107 rake','Hey Geoffery,\r\nI&#039;m loohing for 107 parts too. I need the left side pressed bar holder and some of the bearing ends. Keep looking and I will too, maby we can find a near hole one to buy and share parts. You can always get me here or u2u.  Larry  NE IL:D','',0,'','1osj4hjs',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1866,473,1,238,0,'152.163.253.34',1070923903,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','1945 Oliver 80 exhaust manifold..HELP!!','I am in need of an intake manifold for my &#039;45 80. I&#039;ve got the exhaust.         Thanx Larry NE IL\n\n[Edited on 12-10-2003 by 39LC]','',0,'','1x8a2j1g',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1867,474,1,144,0,'169.207.138.183',1070925466,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','77 fender extensions','Wanted: pair of fender extensions for a oliver 77 standard, in good condition.\n\n[Edited on 12-10-2003 by ol950]','',0,'','h46gcfm1',1,0,'',144,0,0),(1868,473,1,67,0,'64.6.2.38',1070927382,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Larry--good used 80 manifolds are near impossible to find.  New reproductions are available from Rosewood Machine, in Rosewood, OH.  Quality is very good, but price is high.  The last one I purchased was $550 plus shipping, for both intake and exhaust.  Terry.','',0,'','y1pnunmb',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1869,475,1,226,0,'208.212.220.181',1070991374,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mr Bricole','1955 Super 55 Gas: Manifolds','I&#039;m having hard times finding the manifolds for my super 55. Are there any reproductions made somewhere? Seems like mines would need too much work on.\r\n\r\nThanks guys','',0,'','21hqrbz1',1,0,'',226,0,0),(1870,476,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1071012275,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','How can we make an active HPOCA member out of a passive HPOC','Too begin with I had joined HPOCA after purchasing an Ol 60. I guess I wasn&#039;t much out of my teens then. The main reason I joined, I must admit, was to get information on my tractor. Boy, after talking with other members and meeting many at Rough&amp;amp;Tumble, last time HPOCA came too Lancaster, Pa. I knew I was apart of something much more then an average collectors club. I immediately wanted to participate and find a way to make HPOCA better. A place to fit into never fell into my lap. I admit I never asked, nor was I asked where I could fit in and help. Plus back then I was pretty bashful about expressing ideas. Even to members I knew. I guess the fear of having stupid ideas may have been my main reason for not expressing any. So many years and many  Olivers later I&#039;m prepared to express some of my ideas.\r\n    With 6000 members (i believe that was last count) we certainly do have a strong force.I wonder how many of those members are like me. Would like to be active, Just don&#039;t know how. So they become passive readers. Or how many members think HPOCA is just a magazine that holds a neat tractor show. \r\n   I have heard it said that HPOCA magazine is a product of HPOCA. I can&#039;t dispute that. However I believe its more then that. The magazine is the #1 form of communication too HPOCA members and for members. I don&#039;t think it is being used as such. I would like to see a page dedicated to HPOCA news. Not all news is good news. (failed museum for instance). Thats okay, go ahead and print it. I would also like to see a section dedicated to suggestions, comments on &amp;quot;club news&amp;quot;, and ideas to improve HPOCA. In most magazines this would fit under letters to the editor. However I believe this should have a section to itself and perhaps be answered by the president or a director. This will give members a chance to get to know HPOCA leaders better.\r\n     Second topic I&#039;d like to bring up. Is the formation of committee&#039;s. I have never seen or can&#039;t recall seeing in the magazine. Where a committee is being formed and what its function will be. Most important if any members would like to join this committee. Thanks too the internet it is possible for a committee to discuss topics without even meeting. I do realize there must be a member of  the committee who is able to act as spokesperson for the committee to the board of directors and folks should have knowledge of what would be expected of them before joining the committee.\r\n   My last thought is about the HPOCA museum. I do believe we will have a museum. It may not be as large as first hoped and its location may not be our first choice. But when it is finally established, like our club it will grow. For that matter who ever said a museum had to be in a building or on a piece of property. Why can&#039;t it be in a series of books, on my bookshelf. With all the resources available to the HPOCA and all of our talented writers. Why can&#039;t we start a series of books about Hart Parr, Oliver and Cletrac. We can publish stuff, never published before. Just a thought.\r\n    A final note: This post was not written to encourage blaming, finger pointing, or name bashing. So I ask any one who responds to refrain from doing so. Having said that nor is this post written to take any light off of ongoing controversial issues. So please don&#039;t thank me for changing the subject. I only wrote this post to provoke thought and encourage comment and other ideas. \r\nThanks for reading all this,\r\n                     Danny','',0,'','30roe21v',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1871,441,3,88,0,'65.58.144.56',1071015492,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','Explanations?','The title of this topic was &amp;quot;Explanations&amp;quot; however that seemed to get lost somewhere along the way. It turned into a discussion about insurance. I hope that since the other topic was closed down by our moderator that the subject of the editor and why she was fired will not be forgotten. It seems like someone struck a nerve about how one member had a few &amp;quot;problems&amp;quot; with another member, (no names need to be mentioned, right?) and now no one has anything to say. Makes you wonder if the REAL truth will ever come out, or if the powers that be will let it be heard.','',0,'','1v6kbxnn',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1872,439,1,254,0,'199.224.87.115',1071019457,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','fender','They are not bad the right one is bent a bit but i think it could be fixed.\r\nSlim','',0,'','7x1uxzcl',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1873,441,3,374,0,'205.188.209.42',1071025068,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','explanations','Probably not Doug...guess it won&#039;t change...have lost interest....they&#039;ll do as they please....and here we&#039;ll sit.....Ed Brandt','',0,'','2dsizie9',1,0,'',374,0,0),(1874,481,3,88,0,'67.74.236.27',1071027300,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Guess there is no &amp;quot;freedom of speech&amp;quot; in the good old HPOCA. (Watch them delete this post)','',0,'','2sn5ska1',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1875,473,1,238,0,'152.163.252.199',1071027922,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','Thanx Terry, I should have checked them, bought elbows for my 70 there.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','lb3mav03',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1876,481,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1071079784,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I don&#039;t agree. I believe all the questions have been asked. Have there been any suitable answers? No, not from where I sit. I don&#039;t believe in a forum we will get any answers at all. So how far do we take it? Do we keep bashing one another &#039;till everybodies sick of it. I do feel Terry knows a full explanation is expected of him in the next magazine. Will he write one? Lets give him the benefit of the doubt. If he does not. Then we have grounds to take action further. Also I encourage Sherry to write her side of the story. If she does so. I hope she puts a post up stating she has. If it is decided her story is not worthy of the magazine and not printed. There again we will know further action is necessary. Lets give it time to play out. Until then lets figure ways to make the club better  for everybody.        \r\n          I believe the HPOCA forum administration has been more than fair to both sides of the fence.     Danny','',0,'','1hbft8hf',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1877,481,3,88,0,'64.158.113.232',1071080463,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Deleting a one members posting, and allowing others to say what they feel is not fair. This board is treating the members poorly. Bashing the former editor was fully allowed, but when someone rebutted it, they were silenced. Therse&#039;s a lot going on behind the scenes that the members do not know, and the board, president and moderator do not want us to know. This is politics, plain and simple, don&#039;t get suckered by it......','',0,'','2lfews24',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1878,481,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1071087775,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','You are right!!!!!!!!','Doug, You are right!!!!! Last I looked at the &amp;quot;whats going on&amp;quot; thread. The moderator shut it down, however hadn&#039;t deleted any replies.. After reading your reply I went back. You are right!!!! Forgive me for my reply with out knowledge.  Danny','',0,'','my9i8qtu',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1879,481,3,88,0,'65.58.147.217',1071089519,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Quote:\r\n\r\nTopic Closed\r\n\r\nThe posts in this thread have gotten too personal for my tastes as adminstrator of this board. Because of this, I am closing this thread. It can be viewed, but no more posts can be added to it.\r\n\r\n&amp;quot;It can be viewed, but no more posts added to it&amp;quot; Thats fine,,,,,,what he forgot to mention is how many posts he would be deleting from it............So,, view what?????\r\nJust what they want us to view I guess.......','',0,'','1fgjkuxp',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1880,446,1,419,0,'207.144.213.5',1071092714,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnsonsolivers','','i have a 550 for sale if your interested in buying. it in good shape, it has a farm paint job, runs great, 95% rubber. $4000','',0,'','bobyhoyc',1,0,'',419,0,0),(1881,481,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.217',1071094525,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','censorship... not here','There are no conspiracies here. I have NOT deleted any posts from anybody. \r\n\r\nCookieoliverman has been deleting his own posts. He has emailed me stating that he is leaving this forum, and no longer wishes to have his name associated with what is going on here. This was his choice.\r\n\r\nThere is nothing from stopping everybody from starting a new discussion about the same subject as the one that has been closed. But any topic that can&#039;t keep it &amp;quot;above the belt&amp;quot; is going to get shut down.\r\n\r\nI hope this clears things up for everyone.\n\n[Edited on 12-10-2003 by admin]','',0,'','x1y9ee15',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1882,475,1,65,0,'216.183.132.176',1071099224,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','manifolds','Two wreckers here in south-western ontario recently wrecked  some. A 550 gas at Teaswater Agro Parts  519-392-6111 ask for Brian  and Ontario Used Tractor Parts wrecked a super 55  519-523-4922. both ship daily .','',0,'','plt5d5vn',1,0,'',65,0,0),(1883,403,1,238,0,'205.188.209.42',1071100504,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','70 manifolds','Try Rosewood Machine, Rosewood, Ohio\r\nI know that they make the exhaust elbows\r\nLarry','',0,'','1z7e1c7c',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1885,476,3,65,0,'216.183.132.176',1071101357,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Passive vs non passive member','As a long time member [#316] I try to attend as many Oliver functions as I can . We have been to  the winter conventions since in Collinsville illinois in 1992 , and have made some summer conventions and exibited at the closer ones to us. We are  a 4 hour drive north of  Detriot in Canada. Also belong to the Oliver Gang chapter of HPOCA and their closest meeting so far has been about 300 miles. Sometimes distance and farm work get in the way but I think commitment to what you believe in makes differance in member. When I first joined there was very little Oliver info and I know the local oliver/cockshutt dealers were relieved that I wasn&#039;t bugging them ! And I have since signed up some of them as members. Through the years there have been differances in the orginization of the HPOCA  and the members and in ANY orginization there will be disagreements! I think through all of these problems the orginization has gotten stronger along with bigger. The concept of a national website is maybe 3 years old ,this site a year old and there are some growing pains with it. Just look at the magazine and the changes that has gone through in the past years. people being people will disagree the computor doesn&#039;t allow face to face discussion so it doesn&#039;t allow the  same interaction say a phone call would. Thats why I posted a few days ago for people  to look at what  the clubs purpose is . Those five items that seem to be overlooked in the heat of the argument. Most important part is have FUN. I&#039;ve never met a stranger at a oliver function just a friend I didn&#039;t know I had. Grant Thede','',0,'','2kvv19uh',1,0,'',65,0,0),(1886,403,1,40,0,'64.12.96.166',1071147207,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Call Tom at O&#039;Brien County Implement in Sheldon , Iowa.  Phone number is 712 324-4871.','',0,'','263kyw4y',1,0,'',40,0,0),(1887,481,3,88,0,'206.214.226.64',1071150298,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Well, I heard a different story about why posts were deleted. But to say the person who made the posts deleted them sounds better,don&#039;t it...........','',0,'','1417t2vq',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1888,478,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1071164105,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','550 &amp; Super 55','Hey guys, \r\nI need a 550 and a Super 55, but I want pretty much just parts tractors.  Just running gear and sheetmetal preferably.  I have the engines already.  They dont have to have tires or anything.  Just frames, rearend, misc. sheetmetal.  Anybody got a couple parts tractors laying around?','',0,'','30w28ur6',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1890,478,1,35,0,'68.210.77.13',1071176486,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','S55','Hey Lug\r\n\r\nThere is one in Jackson that I saw  last month. It is a S55 and he is asking $1700. Let me know if you are interested and I will check with him. The tractor will run but is in poor shape.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','p3vndm3y',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1891,479,1,143,0,'67.2.245.35',1071180917,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnnye','770 Adjustable Widefront','OK, since I didn&#039;t get a response the first time, I will try to simplify my questions.  1.) Are all adjustable widefront ends compatable throughout the 770&#039;s production?  2.)  Will an adjustable widefront from an 88 fit?','',0,'','t57fpijb',1,0,'',143,0,0),(1892,476,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1071184223,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','You are right Grant. Even though I have strong feelings and many questions about why Sherry was fired. Among other issues. I still feel although we should be working together to make this club better. I like you have to many years to just give up on it.  Danny','',0,'','2krqob8s',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1893,479,1,65,0,'216.183.132.165',1071184744,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','770 widefronts','I took a qiuick look at parts books for 88 and 770 definately you would have to get a steering shaft from a power steering equiped wide front as to the rest it should switch. Top of shaft is different from power to manual steering and your dual front wheels are attached to shaft.','',0,'','3tprufy4',1,0,'',65,0,0),(1894,479,1,143,0,'67.2.245.27',1071197168,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnnye','','Thank you very much!  Now I know what direction to go.','',0,'','1q1f3rxe',1,0,'',143,0,0),(1895,481,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.145',1071201716,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','Thank you Cookieoliverman. \r\n\r\nAnd yes, the truth can hurt. Lets just get to it as rational adults, please.','',0,'','1y78ogeg',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1896,481,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1071218083,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Why start now???? Show me as of yet where HPOCA leadership have acted as rational adults. \r\n             Lets see..... We hired Sherry to do a good job as editor. And she did do a good job........We fired Sherry....Why?.... Thats none of your business but we still believe she did a good job. \r\n          All actions and decisions made by HPOCA leadership. Should be made for the good of the  club and be done so on behalf of the members. AT NO POINT SHOULD ANY DECISION BE MADE BASED SOLELY ON LEADERSHIPS PERSONAL..... Whatever the **** they hold against Sherry!!!!    Danny\n\n[Edited on 12-13-2003 by admin]','',0,'','28hxm7bf',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1897,475,1,433,0,'12.21.214.49',1071226026,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Alaska Super 55','','go on e-bay and type &amp;quot;oliver super 55&amp;quot; in search.  there is a &amp;quot;like new&amp;quot; manifold there.  good luck!','',0,'','1e3yr79w',1,0,'',433,0,0),(1898,446,1,433,0,'12.21.214.49',1071226272,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Alaska Super 55','550','I couldn&#039;t bring all my Olivers to Alaska so I have a 550 (1958) sitting in Oregon.  Good strong tractor and I hunted down all the hard to finds ie original grille, oliver emblem, etc.  Will sell for $2,700 obo','',0,'','rwltwznk',1,0,'',433,0,0),(1899,480,1,434,0,'216.183.141.41',1071239701,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Sydenham Auction Services','ESTATE AUCTION','Estate of Keith Brown, Ontario Canada:\r\nSaturday January 17, 2004\r\n1953 Oliver 99 DIESEL; 1948 Oliver STD 88; Scores of Oliver tractor and equipment operator and shop manuals, parts books and service lierature; variety of Oliver ephemera, small collectibles, dealer signs, die cast toys....etc.  For detailed listing, go to our web site: [url=http&#58;//www&#46;sydenhamauction&#46;com:1j746hqw]www.sydenhamauction.com[/url:1j746hqw]','',0,'EA==','1j746hqw',1,0,'',434,0,0),(1900,481,3,88,0,'65.58.150.8',1071243444,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I wasn&#039;t defending anyone, I just don&#039;t like the way this whole situation has been handled. Thee is no sense going over and over the same questions, Questions that I&#039;m sure will never be answered. I think everyone has about had it with this mess. In my opinion, the board is not representing the membership. A bit of honesty would go a long way here. But as soon as some truth starts to get out, it&#039;s referred to as &amp;quot;below the belt&amp;quot; . I don&#039;t think truth should be viewed that way. Some times the truth is not what a lot of people want to hear,,,,but it should and needs to be heard.','',0,'EA==','2lkbkmyw',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1901,481,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.176',1071286357,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','When I see the the words &amp;quot;defamation of character&amp;quot;, I personally think someone is starting to go &amp;quot;below the belt&amp;quot;. That&#039;s why that thread was shut down, before someone, on either side, said something they regretted.\r\n\r\nAs to acting like rational adults, refraining from swearing is something I would think a rational adult would do when on a public forum for a family oriented club. I hope that you would expect to see the same thing in your magazine, why should this forum be any different.','',0,'EA==','15y1t4h6',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1902,482,12,10611,0,'216.93.70.176',1071288354,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Rules for posting on this web site.','Everybody is welcome and encouraged to join in the discussion on the forums of this site. \r\n\r\nTo post on any of the forums, you will need a username. You can register for one by clicking on Register near the top of any page on the forums, or by clicking on the following link.\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.hartparroliver.org/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=register\">http://www.hartparroliver.org/phpBB2/pr ... e=register</a><!-- m -->\r\nYou can then choose your username and password. You will need to enter a valid email address as well. Once you have gone through the registration process, an email will automatically be sent to the email address you have entered. There will be a link in that email to activate your account. You will not be able to log in until your account is activated. This feature helps cut down on the amount of spam on the forums. Some email spam filters will mark this registration email as spam, so if you do not receive an email shortly after registering, please email <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e --> with the username you have chosen, and I will activate your account for you.\r\n\r\nTo make sure it stays a place that everybody can enjoy there are just a few simple rules that everybody will have to follow.\r\n\r\n1. No swearing. \r\nThis is a family oriented club and forum. Trying to get around the swear word checker by using odd characters is not fooling anybody.\r\n\r\n2. No personal attacks. If you\'re not sure if what you are saying is a personal attack, then it probably is.\r\n\r\n3. No spam. This includes unrelated advertisements and links.\r\n\r\nYou may not agree with these rules, but if you can not follow them, then please do not post to the forums on this web site. \r\n\r\nPosts that violate these rules will either be edited for content, or deleted. Repeat offenders will be banned from these forums.\r\n\r\nIf you believe anybody has violated these rules, please notify me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nInformation contained in posts are the responsibility of the person that posted them. The HPOCA can not guarantee the information in any post is accurate. Use the information on this web site at your own risk.\r\n\r\nThanks,','',0,'EA==','3s4fov3i',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1903,481,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1071324981,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','censorship','Its funny you should mention this. Many members aren&#039;t aware or maybe forgotten a prior storm this club faced. Back when the magazine was in its formative years. There used to be a little antidote or short story, only taking up a few lines of a page. Its only intention was to bring a smile or chuckle to members reading. I, as many members enjoyed this part of the magazine. However one story used the H word. I along with a silent majority understood and found the humor in it. A FEW members did not and only took offense by it. These members took action by writing and calling the editor in complaint. As a result this segment is no longer apart of our magazine. THE SILENT MAJORITY LOSES!!!! My using the H word, I realize has caused extra work for you, Chris. For this I sincerely appolagize to you and promise to continue my posts with a baby tongue. I will not apolagize to any fellow member whom I may have offended by using the H word. I did not believe the magazine should have in the past, nor do I think I should now. \r\n         So lets get back to the topic. First the president agree&#039;s Sherry did a good job with the magazine. This tells me she was not fired for lack of duties as editor. So the only conclusion I can come up with is: Sherry was fired for activities done as a member. If so what as a member did she do? Doesn&#039;t her past record for volunteerism and all else she&#039;s done for this club mean anything? Should what Sherry does as a member reflect upon her position as editor?  Again Chris I apalogize to you.   Like HPOCA leadership I also had a lack in good judgement.   Danny','',0,'EA==','33m519ac',1,0,'',412,0,0),(1904,481,3,88,0,'67.74.236.88',1071332417,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Danny,,,,,No it appears that anything Sherry did that was good is now forgotten. It&#039;s the board members making decisions, not members. If you notice, hardly anyone else is commenting on this subject anymore. They got the subtle message that if they do speak the truth, the topic will be closed, or they may be banned from posting (refer to forum rules) Anything said that is not popular with the powers that be here will most likely not stay on this site. So to make a long story short, most people have given up. Too bad an organization with a lot of good members has ended up this way.','',0,'EA==','2e8wgdl1',1,0,'',88,0,0),(1906,446,1,370,0,'199.45.178.163',1071348271,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','I saw one around here with a egg crate grill, I will see if they still have it.','',0,'EA==','3pelsuwq',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1907,417,1,370,0,'199.45.178.163',1071348337,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','I am waiting for my new digital camera, as soon as I get I will get some pics.','',0,'EA==','2mvnw6lm',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1908,296,1,370,0,'199.45.178.163',1071348589,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','Your local Agco dealer','',0,'EA==','33fbcpif',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1909,340,1,370,0,'199.45.178.163',1071348693,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','I put new holland teeth on them before.','',0,'EA==','3g4q6pdt',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1910,271,1,370,0,'199.45.178.163',1071348758,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','Try Abilene Machine in Abilene, KS','',0,'EA==','rxspt0e7',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1911,216,1,370,0,'199.45.178.163',1071348974,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','I have got a 88 diesel and win every pull','',0,'EA==','oxv3ors4',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1912,139,1,370,0,'199.45.178.163',1071349096,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MichaelA','','I had one of those, they are real good tractors, good luck.','',0,'EA==','1o0ifoqx',1,0,'',370,0,0),(1913,483,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.177',1071358220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','Non-US members magazines.','I found out today that the reason non-US members are getting their magazine so late is that the old printer did not send them out first class, like they were supposed to.\r\n\r\nWe apologize for the delay in receiving your magazine. We now have a new printer, and this should not happen again. Thank you for your patience.','',0,'EA==','1wg7ffyf',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1915,484,3,47,0,'67.241.135.146',1071442574,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','Bad news','Hey Y&#039;all,\r\nToday I received the terrible news that HPOCA member Elton Snyder recently passed away. Elton was a good guy, a friend to us all, was an active contributor of his time and talent to HPOCA and the Oliver Gang, he will be missed, but not forgotten! In times like these, such a loss makes our little disagreements seem really trivial. If there are those who are close to Bev and Elton&#039;s family, would you please relay my condolences, and those of Appalachian Hart Parr Oliver Cletrac Club to them. Perhaps there are those who may be better informed that would like to comment on this forum.','',0,'EA==','2qtrs5rt',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1916,485,1,70,0,'209.150.251.113',1071523770,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','equipment value','Does anybody have some idea of the value of an Oliver Superior 64 graindrill and an Oliver 1095 2-row mounted corn planter.  They are both in good condition. Guy wants about $325 for both.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'EA==','2upceun4',1,0,'',70,0,0),(1917,485,1,35,0,'67.32.80.7',1071525548,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','price','If you good shape the drill alone is worth that. I think that it is an exceptional deal.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'EA==','2o8sb8bi',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1918,486,5,10611,0,'216.93.70.2',1071527040,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','U2U','I was making some adjustments to the board, and may have caused the deletion of a few U2u&#039;s while doing this. It may have affected no one, but I thought I&#039;d warn everybody. If you are missing any U2U&#039;s, I apologize, but it should be working fine now.\r\n\r\nSorry for any inconvienence.','',0,'EA==','37v3s7ie',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1919,486,5,7,0,'152.163.252.199',1071538380,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Okay, so....','I checked my U2U and I have one outgoing that has not been read. Is there any way to know if it has actually been posted to the member&#039;s U2U. Or should I just say, &amp;quot;Hey Bill Brandt CHECK YOUR U2U&amp;quot; and see what happens? LOL Thanks Chris, I&#039;ll see what happens.<!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->','',0,'EA==','1cxe8ith',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1920,486,5,10611,0,'216.93.70.96',1071550600,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','If it is showing up, it should be ok. If it doesn&#039;t change status, you might try deleting it and re-sending it.\r\n\r\nBe looking for a &#039;new&#039; forum in the near future. I have found one that has all the features that this board does, plus more. And it looks like I will be able to transfer everything that is on this forum to the new software. I want to do a little experimenting before I implement it, to make sure that it works good before trying it out on this site. We don&#039;t need any more errors on my part. <!-- s:o --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif\" alt=\":o\" title=\"Surprised\" /><!-- s:o -->','',0,'EA==','292hx60f',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(1921,487,1,407,0,'172.19.253.220',1071586380,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','Oliver 80 valves','Does anyone know where and if I can find oliver 80 valves? I actually need a bunch of parts if anyone has a 80 parts tractor or pieces. Thanks, Adam','',0,'EA==','36ykmu4v',1,0,'',407,0,0),(1922,488,1,218,0,'198.81.26.79',1071592662,1,0,1,1,1,0,'colo80','oliver 80','Looking for a deluxe seat for an 80, thanks','',0,'EA==','etf0m0ki',1,0,'',218,0,0),(1923,465,3,67,0,'64.6.2.135',1071628311,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','To anyone who has a problem with the toy they received, please call Spec Cast and let them know of your problem, and they will take care of getting you a replacement.  Call 800-844-8067, Ext. 245, and ask for Susan.  Hope this helps, Terry.','',0,'EA==','1rhww2ye',1,0,'',67,0,0),(1924,465,3,122,0,'65.117.137.154',1071668677,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Rockin-B','','Guess they need to fire someone at Spec Cast.','',0,'EA==','ebkq7tlg',1,0,'',122,0,0),(1925,465,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1071670518,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Returning my model','I just talked to Susan and she was great. Gave me the instructions I needed and a few tips to make this all work very much easier.','',0,'EA==','2td8c3i4',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1926,465,3,35,0,'68.221.137.127',1071706952,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','#3','Since the bull gear was not in pieces I glued it with Super Glue gel and I repaired the chain with thin floral wire and everything worked and I did not have to go through the hassle of returns etc. For the money that we paid for the toy I feel that we got an exceptional deal. I collect toy tractors (primarily Olivers) and have paid a lot more for new toys that did not have near the detail of #3. In recent years Spec Cast has produced some fine detailed toys the #3 being one of them. Had this model been produced by Ertle Racing Champions the cost would have far exceeded the amount we paid for the toy. Just my 2cents worth.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'EA==','29gyiukl',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1927,487,1,96,0,'216.201.29.6',1071745760,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Rebuilt 80 Heads','If you need more than 2 or 3 valves it may be cheaper to install John Deere valves especially if the guides are bad. Details send me a U2U','',0,'EA==','3bxmv4a6',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1928,465,3,403,0,'66.187.42.7',1071778462,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Farmer in The Dells (WI)','pic of #3','Is there any pictures or literature showing the #3 toy? I came along here late after the order went out and would like to see it. Thanks','',0,'EA==','33yyg6gx',1,0,'',403,0,0),(1929,465,3,7,0,'206.221.224.162',1071796623,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Go to the HPOCA Home Page','And click on the reserve yours now link for the HP#3.\r\n\r\nBTW, received my replacement toy today in excellent condition.\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'EA==','2p7dqwyt',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1930,489,1,382,0,'216.135.29.214',1071797810,1,0,1,1,1,0,'1943gb','Oliver 70','What year was the aluminum hood used on the 70. My Dad bought a new one in 1948 and I think it had a aluminum hood. Why was aluminum used?','',0,'EA==','zris5t6z',1,0,'',382,0,0),(1931,489,1,238,0,'205.188.209.43',1071801189,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','70 Oliver','Hi,\r\nI&#039;ve got a &#039;48 also. I&#039;m no authority, but I heard they used aluminum during the later part of WW II because of the steel shortage.  Larry:)','',0,'EA==','1wd939zu',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1932,490,1,238,0,'205.188.208.10',1071801508,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','&#039;36 Oliver HP 70','I have looked in most corners for the air breather cap for my &#039;36 70. Is there anybody out there making them?   Larry','',0,'EA==','2g5zecdz',1,0,'',238,0,0),(1933,491,1,185,0,'198.81.26.79',1071807869,1,0,1,0,1,0,'red67114','literature','I have a lot of old sales literateure, service manuals and op manuals for Oliver, White, M-M, Deere, etc.... as well as a new baby boy. I&#039;m thinking of getting rid of some of my toys to make this transition a bit easier. What is the best way to sell such stuff (the tractor literature, not the boy). Any shared experience would be appreciated.','',0,'EA==','2mv8p7vr',1,0,'',185,0,0),(1934,478,1,185,0,'198.81.26.107',1071808141,1,0,1,1,1,0,'red67114','550 parts tractor','Contact 81 Salvage in Sedgwick, KS. I saw a 550 there that has a hole in the clutch housing. It has no power steering and is missing the grill, but I&#039;m told it runs.','',0,'EA==','5en4lmth',1,0,'',185,0,0),(1935,491,1,5,0,'216.166.192.203',1071838126,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','','Items on E-bay seem to bring the most money, if the buyer follows through with the purchase. Seems to be lots of manuals, lit., etc. on there. I&#039;ve always had good luck with the classifieds on the Yesterday&#039;s Tractor site. My stuff is usually parts and I price it to sell, but at a price I feel is fair to both the buyer and myself. oleblu','',0,'EA==','sc5gpbiq',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1936,491,1,35,0,'68.221.137.127',1071845802,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','literature','I would like to see you post some of your Oliver material on this forum. I know several of us that use this forum will be interested. You could post under Misc.<!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->','',0,'EA==','1v173oqf',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1937,446,1,410,0,'209.110.212.131',1071900421,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ng','contacts','Please check your u2u in box or let me have your email address so I can reply to your posts about this message!  Thanks!','',0,'EA==','331iytsp',1,0,'',410,0,0),(1938,439,1,254,0,'199.224.87.92',1072019949,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','extensions','Are you still intrested in the extensions ?\r\nIf you are good if not i ws going to put them on my 88?','',0,'EA==','1q4d5rml',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1939,492,1,254,0,'199.224.87.92',1072020471,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','Bull gear cover','I have a 1953 88D and I keep geting water in the trans oil I think my bull gear cover is cracked .And i was wondering do I have to remove my hyd to remove the cover ?And how can i tell weather it is a 1,2,3,  Hydra-Lectric ?\r\nSlim','',0,'EA==','93g9hkib',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1940,492,1,96,0,'216.201.29.141',1072021351,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Cracked bull gear cover','Slim: No doubt it is cracked. In my experiences 90 plus % of them develop either 2 or 4 cracks. Take the cover off, clean it braze it on the bottom side. As far as taking the hydraulic off, it can be done without but usually we took them off which means the PTO must also be removed. If not at least take the pipes out of the unit. There is also a bolt on each side that is under the cover and threads into the side of the transmission case that must be removed. A group 3 has the handles coming out of the top. A group two has the manual handles on the side of the unit and the hydralectric switches on the steering collum. A group one has no manual handles and many do not have a filter on the unit. The electric controls are the same place as the group 2 units. Hope this helps.','',0,'EA==','25zc7bkf',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1941,492,1,254,0,'199.224.87.92',1072022279,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','Bull gear cover','About the hyd my 88 has the levers coming out the top but no switches.  I would like to put it back to orignal is there a bracked that halde them is so where can I find one?\r\nSo i don&#039;t have to remove my hyd to remove the cover? Is it easer without the hyd on ? when i got my 88 it had a tool box under the  seat   is that origonal or did someone put it on?\r\n\r\n Slim','',0,'EA==','7gcnsliy',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1942,492,1,70,0,'209.150.251.15',1072035353,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','water in tranny','I would check the shifter lever boot first because they get hard and cracked.  This can let water in through the shift lever.  \r\nThe tool box under the seat is original.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'EA==','1aykv5ia',1,0,'',70,0,0),(1943,489,1,70,0,'209.150.251.15',1072035744,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','aluminum hood','The aluminum hood was used on the 1948 70s.  Also the side panels were aluminum.  They were easily damaged and many farmers traded them for the steel side curtains when they became available.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'EA==','1jitsaw4',1,0,'',70,0,0),(1944,485,1,70,0,'209.150.251.15',1072035860,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','value','Thanks for the information.','',0,'EA==','lymq8dr0',1,0,'',70,0,0),(1945,471,1,70,0,'209.150.251.15',1072036106,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','wide front end','The wide front end from the 77, 88, Super 77, Super 88, 770, and 880 are all interchangable.  However, the early style 77 and 88s had the cast front end.  But they will work.','',0,'EA==','3rz4k2ur',1,0,'',70,0,0),(1946,492,1,254,0,'199.224.87.123',1072041919,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','Bull gear cover','Well I was looking at it today and i found a cravk in the cover it is on the left side where the hump meets the flat part .where can i find a tool box for it ?','',0,'EA==','vkp3g89r',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1947,492,1,70,0,'209.150.251.131',1072043357,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','tool box','A tool box can be found at most tractor salvage yards.  Try Farmersville Equipment in Pennslyvania, Maibach Tractor in Ohio, McFadden&#039;s Sharon Springs, NY.  Check Fastline for McFadden&#039;s and Maibach Tractor&#039;s phone number.  I&#039;m located in central New York.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'EA==','3t1u04x7',1,0,'',70,0,0),(1948,492,1,96,0,'216.201.29.212',1072047357,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Bull gear cover.','If your hydraulic unit was added after the Super series were introduced, then your hydraulic unit is correct. Your switches are internal. I would stay with the group three hydraulic unit. it is a lot simpler unit.','',0,'EA==','edwrbc67',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1949,487,1,351,0,'63.156.28.81',1072060637,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jtierney','','Hi,\r\nI may be able to help you - do you need KD or HC, and how many of each type.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nJames','',0,'EA==','2y5rnl3i',1,0,'',351,0,0),(1950,271,1,363,0,'68.152.9.254',1072117496,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Shep VA','','Good luck, those origional ROPS are hard to come by for an Oliver.  What some guys have done around here is had the ROPS made and then taken a top off a White cab and used for the canopy part.  It looks like the White canopies that they put on.  Just an idea, good luck finding one.','',0,'EA==','3q48xkwo',1,0,'',363,0,0),(1951,445,1,419,0,'209.7.182.250',1072121443,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnsonsolivers','','i know of 6 s77d&#039;s for sale and they want 2800 to 3200 for them and they&#039;re selling fast so 2800 to 3200 is about right i would think.\r\n\r\nany questions on where to find them email me','',0,'EA==','3p33ktk4',1,0,'',419,0,0),(1952,407,1,419,0,'209.7.182.250',1072121807,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnsonsolivers','','i have a used one thats on a 88rc that i would sell for 400\r\n\r\nif any question email me @ <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:cope_cowboy121@hotmail.com\">cope_cowboy121@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'EA==','1czwe41e',1,0,'',419,0,0),(1953,396,1,419,0,'209.7.182.250',1072121955,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnsonsolivers','','Slim\r\nim pretty sure the 880s would fit i would have to look in the books but i have a narrow front for an 88 rc if you are interested\r\n\r\nmike','',0,'EA==','2bvr30sb',1,0,'',419,0,0),(1954,396,1,96,0,'216.201.29.92',1072131371,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','880 Front end','It will bolt right on there. If you do that you should take the cover off the gearbox of your wide front and see what the problem is. Does your arm underneath the gear box hit the stop on each side when you turn it to the extreem positions/','',0,'EA==','cb6qoc4x',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1955,396,1,254,0,'216.37.132.115',1072137419,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','wide front','How much do you whant for the narrow front .I will have to look to see if it hits the stops .Some one has cobbed a right oiter end from somthing els on it but they did not take the time to set the toe and now i cant and I think a narrow front will be good for now .then i can fix the wide front to keep it orignal.\r\nGreg','',0,'EA==','1ls7zu0n',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1956,465,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1072187760,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Keeping dust off of #3','I really like my tractor models, but keeping them clean when you live in an old farm house can be a real pain in the asterisk:P. Well, if you are looking for a reasonably priced solution go to WalMart or any other general discount place and get a small aquarium they come in a variety of sizes and are made out of tempered glass. I have used this solution on many of my tractors. BTW, the tank for #3 cost $7 at Meijer and looks like it was made for it.','',0,'EA==','krmhesla',1,0,'',7,0,0),(1957,465,3,35,0,'68.155.139.114',1072194507,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','No.3','Sure beats looking at fish and you sure don&#039;t have to clean it. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'EA==','21rpu1ec',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1958,493,1,419,0,'207.144.213.5',1072210850,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnsonsolivers','TRACTORS FOR SALE','I have 20 tractors and need to down grade. These are the ones im selling:\r\n(3) 1650s gas w/f        bare tractors $3400\r\n-                                w/ loaders     $4800\r\n(1) 1550 gas w/f          bare tractor  $3400\r\n-                                 w/ loader     $4800\r\nTOO MANY 88S TO LIST \r\nsome with w/f or n/f\r\n\r\n\r\nemail me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:cope_cowboy121@hotmail.com\">cope_cowboy121@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'EA==','2ztsskba',1,0,'',419,0,0),(1959,494,1,82,0,'216.106.56.93',1072223004,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','2255 price','Did anyone go to the auction at Milford, IL on December 17 that had the 2255 FWA with cab and 2400 hrs. on it?  I was wondering what it brought.','',0,'EA==','3l3lqw5b',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1960,441,3,109,0,'216.65.188.33',1072239636,1,0,1,1,1,0,'chparks','','First let me say I do not know Sharry or any of the board. Sharry has done a good job with the magazine. Some seam to think they speak for all. They do not speak for me. I put my trust in the board. I voted for them and I will again. They make unpopular decision that is what they are for,they cannot please everyone. I do not care to know what is going on as that is whot we have a board for. The ones that want an explonation are hurting Sharry as she will be seeking enployment and it would be on the internet','',0,'EA==','1q1m486x',1,0,'',109,0,0),(1961,495,1,239,0,'216.127.26.76',1072268276,1,0,1,1,1,0,'clark angus','oliver grain drill','','',0,'0','1r1qxrsd',1,0,'',239,0,0),(1962,496,1,239,0,'216.127.26.76',1072268474,1,0,1,1,1,0,'clark angus','oliver 70 RC tractor','I am looking for a 1947 fully operational/restored oliver 70 tractor.  I am located in central. Ohio.','',0,'EA==','37pn4h6f',1,0,'',239,0,0),(1963,497,1,239,0,'216.127.26.76',1072268565,1,0,1,0,1,1,'clark angus','oliver grain drill','I am looking for a fully operational/restored oliver grain drill.  I am located in central Ohio.','',0,'EA==','1r8l8ymm',1,0,'',239,0,0),(1964,498,3,63,0,'207.40.148.134',1072285664,1,0,1,1,1,0,'550buff','MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!','Merry Christmas to all fellow HPOCA members! Let us enjoy this time of year with our families and friends and prepare us for a new year. Let us remember to enjoy Oliver, Cletrac, HartParrs and related items even if we did not agree with the recent events. Let us close the old year and open a new year and let the bad feelings behind. I encourage everyone to review their thoughts and actions and repair the bridges we might have broken or burned. Our HPOCA shows are all over the United States and we need those bridges to get our Olivers together so that we can enjoy them! I wish you all Gods riches blessings through the holidays and into the new year.\r\n\r\nMerry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!','',0,'EA==','1hcwktm1',1,0,'',63,0,0),(1965,498,3,70,0,'170.215.212.84',1072286494,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','Happy Holidays!','I would like to wish everybody a very merry Christmas and a happy New Year.  I hope the HPOCA will have a glorious and fruitful 2004.  Also, I wish all of you Oliver collectors will find something Oliver under the Christmas tree!:):D','',0,'EA==','2ngqjuav',1,0,'',70,0,0),(1966,498,3,35,0,'68.155.139.114',1072289227,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Merry Christmas','Merry Christmas to all. Let us remember what this season is all about. Lets not forget our peacekeepers and their families.\r\n\r\nP.S. If anyone sees the big fat man remind him that I want a 1957 Oliver S55 and a 1953 OC3.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->:D','',0,'EA==','uesvw77g',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1967,498,3,188,0,'64.255.96.59',1072314140,1,0,1,1,1,0,'km','','since the south doesn&#039;t get enough snow for the fat man,  I&#039;ll tell him to leave the s55 and OC3 here with me.   I&#039;ll take good care of them for the next 20 years or so for you.  <!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->:D','',0,'EA==','11s2wfy3',1,0,'',188,0,0),(1968,499,4,438,0,'63.170.134.96',1072321593,1,0,1,1,1,0,'howitzer','tryin to get started','Need some help with a crawler that i have . I think its a hg68 but dont really know for sure.Any help or ideals would be great.Also does anyone know what gas engine came out on this crawler if it is a hg68? Thanks for your help!!!','',0,'EA==','2rrfs2kf',1,0,'',438,0,0),(1969,499,4,47,0,'65.238.36.42',1072359457,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','First it would be good to determine what you have. If it is an HG-68, or an OC-3 with 68&amp;quot; gauge from center to center the track will measure 68&amp;quot;. If you can post some pictures it would be easier to tell you what it is. HG&#039;s depending on the year used a Hercules model IXA-3 or IXK-3 engine with the IXK-3 being the most used. About 1949 a change was made to an IXB-3 engine and this same engine was used on the OC-3.','',0,'EA==','1lo07z9g',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1970,472,4,47,0,'65.238.36.42',1072360453,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I don&#039;t know about Wisconsin, but I can recommend about 3 shops, the nearest to Wisconsin is Gary Spitznogle in Wapello, IA. His phone # is 319-766-2663, he is reasonable and does good work. You can call Landis Zimmerman of Zimmerman Oliver Cletrac, Phone # 717-738-2573, this is your best source of parts, and they do repairs. The best, without a doubt is Bechthold Tractor Service of Lodi, CA. When a crawler leaves Bill Bechthold&#039;s shop it is just like new, inside and out, you should have no doubt of this. You can call William J. Bechthold at 209-727-3423, or William E. Bechthold at 209-333-1970. Hope this helps.','',0,'EA==','2z982jbh',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1971,498,3,47,0,'65.238.36.42',1072361948,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Well shucks! The fat man didn&#039;t leave me a dozen buckdancin&#039; Russian cheerleaders dressed in elf outfits, a 5 gallon jug of my own recipe moonshine whiskey, a 55 gallon drum of Viagra juice to keep up with the cheerleaders, a new Roth Joseph Guarnerius del Jesus model 1736 fiddle, Henderson custom accoustic guitar, Scheerhorn Dobro, a Gibson F-5L mandolin, and a 1930 18-28, 12-24, 18-36,28-50. But, Harley Dawg and myself are still getting around, so I guess we can&#039;t hope for much more.','',0,'EA==','2hymnnm6',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1972,487,1,47,0,'65.238.36.42',1072362690,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Contact Gary Spitznogle at 319-766-2665 last time I talked to him he had a good supply of NOS 80 parts.','',0,'EA==','8cs2qxed',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1973,494,1,254,0,'199.224.87.37',1072367146,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','2255','I was not there but acording to my books the avg. Auction price is 4,400 but may range from 4000 to 5000 depending on condition.\r\nSlim','',0,'EA==','27np1o8i',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1974,500,1,254,0,'199.224.87.37',1072367524,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','Oliver equitment','I friend of mine has a 406 oliver feed grinder for sale it is in good shape works good he also has a oliver baler that need major help alot of parts are missing but it could be fixed or for parts best offer on them.\r\nSlim','',0,'EA==','1uo72dc2',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1975,501,4,381,0,'206.176.206.51',1072374816,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nailcreek','HG Serial Number - when built?','Hi ... and Merry Christmas!  I found out what the serial number of the HG is ... 20GA268.  Could anyone tell me when it was built?','',0,'EA==','2y1e9u83',1,0,'',381,0,0),(1976,494,1,105,0,'68.66.52.106',1072380497,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','If its the same one I heard about it went for like 12 grand.  Yikes!','',0,'EA==','4fbferuf',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1977,498,3,105,0,'68.66.52.106',1072380770,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Merry Christmas everybody!  No snow in Kentucky this year, but its a happy one nonetheless.  I hope you all have a great holiday season.','',0,'EA==','1gls7oqy',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1978,494,1,65,0,'216.183.132.153',1072387844,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','price of 2255','Over on Yesterdays tractor board there was posting of 2255 sold at a Mowery&#039;s sale for .......$22250....not even going to figure out in canada dollars !! Hurts too much.','',0,'EA==','4itkotk2',1,0,'',65,0,0),(1979,501,4,35,0,'68.155.139.114',1072394588,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','HG','Yours is a 1946 model.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'EA==','2sncy8wd',1,0,'',35,0,0),(1980,494,1,82,0,'216.106.56.78',1072397391,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','','Thats the one I was talking about.  That is alot of money for an old tractor.','',0,'EA==','d9njfnxv',1,0,'',82,0,0),(1981,498,3,47,0,'65.238.36.161',1072446039,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey 995 Lugamatic,\r\nThere was snow in Kentucky yesterday. I was in Grayson, and saw it, I guess the altitude is a little higher there than in Paducah. There wasn&#039;t an inch, about half an inch or so, but there was flurries. It seems to me that you get a little warmer weather than eastern Kentucky does.','',0,'EA==','xq9zr85r',1,0,'',47,0,0),(1982,487,1,407,0,'208.31.40.140',1072463146,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','','I could use a complete set of HC valves, I&#039;ve got 2 that need head work but one set would get me by for now. Thanks, Adam','',0,'EA==','2dgjx5eu',1,0,'',407,0,0),(1984,503,1,254,0,'199.224.87.78',1072558643,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','oliver 70RC','I have found a oliver 70RC .It runs and works good tin is good .It has shutters are they origonal ?It is for sale they are asking $1,000 for it is it worth it .It is 6 v all orignal \r\nGreg','',0,'EA==','3oxgoxeb',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1985,504,1,254,0,'199.224.87.78',1072558867,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','Oliver 88  disk brakes','On my 88 i orderd brakes and they sent me \r\nones that are 29 spline .the disks on my 88 are 24 spline and has a biger hole in the center .Are there more than 1 kind of disk brakes for a 1953 88RC ? \r\nGreg','',0,'EA==','ygogn00z',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1986,504,1,96,0,'216.201.29.167',1072563818,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Disk Brakes','O. K. First of all I have my shop manual put -a-way so I am going by memory. What you have is a bull pinon for band brakes where an extension was attached. Take the brake cover off (outside casting) and see if you don&#039;t see a self locking hex nut on the inside. Tell me yes or no. You may need to have your old brakes relined.','',0,'EA==','3c35j7ox',1,0,'',96,0,0),(1987,503,1,239,0,'216.127.17.99',1072565773,1,0,1,1,1,0,'clark angus','oliver 70 rc','A fully restored oliver 70 will usually sell for $1800 to $2000.\r\n\r\nWhat year is the oliver 70?\r\n\r\nI am looking for a 1947.\r\n\r\nPS\r\n\r\nIt will probably cost you more than $1000 to repaint and bring the 70 back up to clean operational standars.\r\n\r\nmy e-mail is\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:clarkangus@core.com\">clarkangus@core.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nDon Clark','',0,'EA==','1h8dv14r',1,0,'',239,0,0),(1989,505,1,140,0,'216.95.136.60',1072577610,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverorchard','Oliver Equipment','Looking for Oliver related equipment for my 66 and 77.  Thanks  Richard','',0,'EA==','1f2q3hib',1,0,'',140,0,0),(1990,506,1,239,0,'216.127.17.71',1072622967,1,0,1,1,1,0,'clark angus','disc coulters for white 546 plow','I am looking for  four iron shanks to mount the disc coulters on a 546 4 X 16&amp;quot; White plow.\r\n\r\nPlease contact Don clark at \r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:clarkangus@core.com\">clarkangus@core.com</a><!-- e --> or call in the evenings after 7PM eastern time.  740 967 -1845\r\n\r\nI am located in central Ohio.\r\n\r\nThank you','',0,'EA==','16uscbwt',1,0,'',239,0,0),(1991,504,1,254,0,'216.37.132.70',1072639142,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 brakes','Yes john you are right it has a self locking nut on it .How do the band brakes work?\r\nWhere could i have them relined .the plate inthe center are groved up good are the same as a tractor with factory disk brakes?\r\nGreg','',0,'EA==','3kgcjbec',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1992,503,1,254,0,'216.37.132.70',1072639366,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','RC70','I dont think you would have to do any thing but paint it and put on the decals.I am not sure what year it is but i know it is ane of the early 70 cause the pto it high up in the rear case .\r\nGreg','',0,'EA==','m67jjy9o',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1993,507,4,407,0,'208.31.40.233',1072648904,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','Oliver 0C-6 32 FOR SALE','I&#039;ve got a 1957 0c-6 32 in. with factory cab for sale if anyone is interested. needs engine reassembly (had a rough sleeve, have good one with piston to go) u2u me.\n\n[Edited on 1-17-2004 by NYAdam21]','',0,'','1vq5ir93',1,0,'',407,0,0),(1994,508,1,5,0,'216.166.192.237',1072664413,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Santa&#039;s present','Santa brought me a box marked: oneset STS-114 Diesel Pump Service Package. There are five tools in the original Oliver box. Since I don&#039;t own a Diesel, what models would this be for? I&#039;m sure Santa must expect me to obtain the proper tractor to use these tools on!LOL oleblu','',0,'','1p4a3ub7',1,0,'',5,0,0),(1995,508,1,26,0,'216.176.90.17',1072668960,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','tools','There should be 6 tools in that package and they&#039;re made to work on the Bosch PSB pumps.','',0,'','1ntock35',1,0,'',26,0,0),(1996,489,1,62,0,'160.36.200.254',1072670392,1,0,1,1,1,0,'dcbaker','Oliver 70 Standard with Aluminum Hood/Panels','My family-owned Oliver 70 Std. has aluminum hood and side panels.  Didn&#039;t discover that until we repainted it this year.\r\n\r\nD.C.B.','',0,'','1fywdr9x',1,0,'',62,0,0),(1997,498,3,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1072709209,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','snow','Yeah Andy, Western KY is a totally different animal than Eastern.  No mounains for one thing!;)  \r\nBut anyway...did everybody get what they wanted?  I got that 1950 T show toy that I had been wanting all year.  And the 70 puller from Louisville as well.  What about you guys?','',0,'','3seoy0rq',1,0,'',105,0,0),(1998,504,1,254,0,'199.224.87.4',1072738307,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 brakes','Well I found them I think in the parts manual they listed then as a feild service kit  for converted brakes band to disk i have some orderd i will let you know how it works out.\r\nGreg','',0,'','xm4w2uez',1,0,'',254,0,0),(1999,509,4,438,0,'63.170.134.96',1072739975,1,0,1,1,1,0,'howitzer','engine/sheet metal parts','Thanks for the info. Andy. Now i have another problem ,I know i have a hg68 but dont know the year. T he plate is not on the frame and the motor has been replaced with a 4 cyl. G.M. engine. So i dont kow how else to tell.Any help? Also would like to put back original ,so if you all have any leads were i might find a hercules engine it would be great.If you happen to run across a hood and grill in your travels keep me in mind.Thanks','',0,'','2ret30om',1,0,'',438,0,0),(2000,508,1,7,0,'205.188.209.42',1072752636,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Time to confess Jim','You really have the tractor tucked away somewhere and you haven&#039;t told the Missus yet for fear of retaliation;) Thanks for the Christmas greeting BTW. Barb exacted her revenge for the A purchase 12/24/03. HAPPY NEW YEAR','',0,'','1f4pnc39',1,0,'',7,0,0),(2001,510,1,443,0,'207.91.23.186',1072773242,1,0,1,1,1,0,'tcornwell','Oliver Memoriabilia Auction','Oliver Memoriabilia - Manuals - Literature Auction; 3 Generation Oliver Dealership Collection; 1/16/04; Seward, Nebraska; cornwellauction.com for details','',0,'','2ftrz15i',1,0,'',443,0,0),(2003,505,1,37,0,'68.155.6.194',1072829224,1,0,1,1,1,0,'george steadman','equipment','I have 2 pull type 2 bottom plows with the rooster comb pickup. 200.00 each. I also have a pull type 6 foot  rotary cutter with cylinder. 300.00 Hope this helps:cool:','',0,'','17ost34n',1,0,'',37,0,0),(2005,508,1,67,0,'64.6.2.141',1072834120,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I think you hit it on the head John.  All of us who know Jim can appreciate how smooth he really is.  I bet he went out and bought a set of injector pump tools, just as an excuse to sneak another tractor home before his wife finds out.  Wouldn&#039;t put it past him at all--he is always thinking ahead. Happy New Year to all!','',0,'','emrenv7f',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2006,508,1,5,0,'216.166.193.62',1072836133,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Hidden Tractor','NO, guys, I don&#039;t have another tractor tucked away somewhere. Ted&#039;s place is full. It&#039;s winter with snow almost any day now and my &amp;quot;hideout&amp;quot; at Terry&#039;s is outside, so that&#039;s out.    I hate to admit it here, but I am looking into a pair of Farmall M&#039;s converted to LP. He claims to have all the parts to switch them back to gas. Haven&#039;t heard a price yet, but it will have to be CHEAP!!  Maybe John has a spot in his shed I can borrow, as I don&#039;t suppose my Oliver Buddies would look too favorably at my parking RED on their property. HAPPY NEW YEAR to everyone, no matter WHAT color tractor they have. oleblu','',0,'','mfs3sivk',1,0,'',5,0,0),(2008,512,1,140,0,'216.95.136.200',1072875683,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverorchard','Peanut and Cotton Equipment','Can anyone tell me about the equipment Oliver had to plant, cultivate, and harvest these crops? I am from an area where these type of crops can&#039;t be grown. \r\n  If some of this older equipment is around I would be interested in seeing them and if the price is right I might be interested in buying and restoring them.\r\n\r\nThank You','',0,'','9ie0esry',1,0,'',140,0,0),(2010,513,2,444,0,'209.143.49.217',1072890883,1,0,1,1,1,0,'william Hoppes','1934, 18-37 row crop','Does anyone know where I can get a 1934  18-37 radiator frame?','',0,'','1xbq4dum',1,0,'',444,0,0),(2011,514,1,96,0,'216.201.29.154',1072900766,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Oliver Grain Drills.','When was the yellow paint for grain drills discontinued? Also how can you identify a model 38 drill?','',0,'','2tixzov5',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2012,513,2,67,0,'64.6.2.132',1072901165,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I have a couple of extras for an 80, but no 18-27s.  I would call Kenny Grimm 563-522-2383, or Gary Spitznogle 319-766-2665.  Hope this helps.','',0,'','2ajoovgx',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2013,415,1,123,0,'152.163.253.2',1072924153,1,0,1,1,1,0,'adsces','carb float','Have you tried Tredwell carb in New York? Always advertises in HPOCA newsletter I have bought from him and has good stuff','',0,'','31tvcz4u',1,0,'',123,0,0),(2014,515,4,123,0,'152.163.253.34',1072924432,1,0,1,1,1,0,'adsces','Oliver-Cletrac AG parts wanted','Need Side curtains that fit styled AG,AG-6 or AD any condition Alan Stroebel 989-792-3298 or <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:adsces@aol.com\">adsces@aol.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','3f7xy3ln',1,0,'',123,0,0),(2015,514,1,35,0,'68.155.139.7',1072925040,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','drill','John\r\n\r\nThis probably won&#039;t help much but I have a 1949-50 advertisement that pictures a model 26 and it has a green box with large yellow Oliver Superior lettering. The steel wheels, handles and back step are red. I also have a mid forties b/w photo of a drill and it looks as if it may be yellow','',0,'','2fyuwsv2',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2016,515,4,47,0,'65.238.36.228',1072934511,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','You should call Landis Zimmerman at 717-738-2573.','',0,'','8p1zm4dh',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2017,512,1,35,0,'68.155.139.7',1072973471,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','cotton','I am from the land of cotton but not much Oliver equipment was used. In the 40&#039;s Oliver offered the No. 4 one row horse drawn cotton drill. In the early 40&#039;s Oliver sold the No. 5 two row check row planter. In the 50&#039;s most of the Oliver planters had plates that were used for cotton. Oliver did sell some harvesters known as strippers(not pickers). Strippers would get the whole bole and left the cotton trashy and the price was docked. Oliver made the No. 10 stripper in the early 50&#039;s, model 23 and 43 from the early 60&#039;s on. An interesting note is that a model 23A cotton stripper sold at auction at the secondary HPOCA show at Greenville. Oliver cotton equipment is rare since JD and International got the jump. In TN there were a few strippers sold in southern middle TN at Elkton Farm Store owned by a former Oliver district fieldmanRichard Bondurean).','',0,'','2d5l3v8c',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2018,514,1,96,0,'216.201.29.5',1072986354,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Grain Drill','Frank: This drill is not a model 26. It is much (maybe) older than that. In fact if id does not rain Saturday I may go look at it again. It may just say superior and not Oliver.','',0,'','n25ic3b7',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2019,512,1,140,0,'216.95.136.53',1072990434,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverorchard','Cotton Equipment','Thanks for your information. It was very helpful.  Thanks Again   Richard:D','',0,'','374i182i',1,0,'',140,0,0),(2020,516,1,82,0,'216.106.56.42',1073014775,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','Oliver video tapes','I was just wondering if there are any video tapes out there of old oliver movies.  I am thinking of movies that showed the equipment when it was new.  Kind of like the John Deere Days videos.','',0,'','217o188p',1,0,'',82,0,0),(2021,517,1,448,0,'12.165.174.16',1073131567,1,0,1,1,1,0,'A.P.','White/Oliver 4-78 Hydraulic Pump','I am trying to find a source for parts for the two section hydraulic pump mounted on the front of a White/Oliver 4-78 loader-backhoe. Cessna does not offer parts for this pump and has listed it as obsolete since the early 70&#039;s. Do you know of a source for parts, a very good condition used pump or a replacement pump by a different manufacturer?\r\n\r\nThank you,\r\nA.P.','',0,'','p95q0jyi',1,0,'',448,0,0),(2022,517,1,47,0,'65.238.36.181',1073133132,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I do not, but, if I was to be looking for this part, I would contact our webmaster, Chris Losey. He is pretty current on White, and can probably help you out. Phone # 517-857-4042.','',0,'','3odxqorq',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2024,518,1,449,0,'67.75.58.237',1073136516,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jimbob69','Light bulbs','I am looking for light bulbs for my 1950 oliver row crop 77 tractor.  6 volt with a three hole locking ring.\r\nBob','',0,'','1k89q2d2',1,0,'',449,0,0),(2025,518,1,82,0,'216.106.56.31',1073147625,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Jason Epperson','','I would try Korves Brothers in Red Bud,IL.  There number is (618)939-6681.  They also have a website: <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.korvesoliver.com\">www.korvesoliver.com</a><!-- w -->','',0,'','2qatccg6',1,0,'',82,0,0),(2027,516,1,14,0,'12.22.131.7',1073158311,1,0,1,1,1,0,'dwm','videos','Jason,\r\nContact the Floyd County Historical Society in Charles City, IA.  I have purchased some Oliver sales videos showing new equipment demonstrated in the field from there and enjoyed them.  I don&#039;t have contact info handy, but you should easily be able to locate them by doing a search on the web.  They also advertise in the HPOCA mag.  They also have original operators, shop, and parts manuals.  Good luck, dwm','',0,'','267s17e2',1,0,'',14,0,0),(2028,518,1,116,0,'63.173.217.121',1073169295,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','lightbulbs','i got some at NAPA, they are still available.','',0,'','1ikjw20y',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2029,519,3,51,0,'205.188.209.10',1073171425,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Show Book','Has anyone received their Show Book? If not I wander what is the delay, they should be here by now. Getting anxious, not quite ready to climb the walls yet. Delbert','',0,'','1n2603co',1,0,'',51,0,0),(2031,509,4,47,0,'65.238.36.176',1073185918,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Does the front idlers have 5 holes in them? Or are they solid? In early 1950 they changed to the solid wheel according to my parts book. If they have the holes, scrape the paint in places that are hard to get at, like the inside of the frame. See if there is Orange paint, that would date the tractor to before late 1945.','',0,'','a8gfo1ti',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2032,519,3,5,0,'216.166.192.4',1073189395,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Show book','I talked to Terry on Fri. and he is expecting them any day. oleblu','',0,'','2gxdikor',1,0,'',5,0,0),(2033,520,1,366,0,'209.173.42.68',1073191848,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','Polarizing a generator','I just bought a 1964 1800 with a 12v generator and was wondering which wires you use to polarize it and how to do that.  When I tried to check the RPM with my tach it wouldn&#039;t register and when i switched over to check voltage it went negative so I am thinking that the gen is polarized wrong or something. Then again I used a multimeter to see if it was putting juice out and across the field and armature poles there was nothing. \r\n\r\n  If I can&#039;t figure it out I am just gonna swap it to an alternator but would really need to wait a little bit before doing that. \r\n\r\n Thanks!','',0,'','2my99tbo',1,0,'',366,0,0),(2034,513,2,451,0,'216.222.239.84',1073224693,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ddcnet','','I have the part for your tractor if you still need them <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:hartparr@epix.net\">hartparr@epix.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','1g1fx074',1,0,'',451,0,0),(2035,521,2,451,0,'216.222.239.84',1073224880,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ddcnet','For sale 12-24,16-30.18-28,28-44,18-36','Have a bunch of tractors for sale and parts email with questions- <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:hartparr@epix.net\">hartparr@epix.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','29bfvb02',1,0,'',451,0,0),(2036,522,1,452,0,'206.176.199.74',1073230737,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Alans49','1555 Roll Bar Wanted!','I am looking to purchase a roll bar that will fit a 1555 tractor.  Please send me an email if you have one you are willing to part with, or know of someone who might.  Thanks. and Happy New Year.  Alan','',0,'','2slpesrg',1,0,'',452,0,0),(2037,518,1,67,0,'64.6.2.149',1073235683,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','A little over a year ago, our local parts store had a few left, and told me they were discontinued, so I took all they had.  Our local NAPA store also told me they were no longer available.  Maybe I was misinformed?  Anyway, Korves Oliver does have them, as I have gotten some from them also.  Terry.','',0,'','2hoy4x7w',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2038,520,1,67,0,'64.6.2.149',1073235896,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I believe that an early 1800 should still be positive ground, is that how you have it hooked up?  If this is correct, I believe that to polarize the generator, you hook a wire to which ever side of the battery that you wish to be hot, (Negative for a positive ground system), and touch the other end of the wire to the field post on the generator.  Just touch it a couple of times.  That is all there is to it.  Has been a while since I did this, but it is pretty simple.  Hope this helps, Terry.','',0,'','2xba2kk8',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2039,519,3,67,0,'64.6.2.149',1073236297,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I was promised delivery for 12/19 or sooner, then for 12/29.  I received word today that we should receive 1/7.  They have been printed, and have been at the bindery for assembly for over 2 weeks. Not at all happy with the delay, but believe the finished product will be worth the wait. Will keep everyone advised as I know more.  Terry.','',0,'','2t35rlqs',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2040,520,1,96,0,'216.201.29.67',1073238608,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Polarizing the generator','Terry: For an A circuit generator. Touch the hot or battery terminal of the regulator or from the battery like you suggested to the A (armature) terminal of the generator. You should get a nice little blue spark. The instructions you have are for a B circuit generator The 1450 and some Ford tactors are this way. Since he  was not sure if the generator charged. Unhook the field lead at the generator and ground it. If it charges then the problem is in the regulator. do not run at too high RPM (1500 or less) and do not let this wire on as you now have eliminated the regulator from the circuit. I had to look in my book too. it probably has been close to 30 years for me too. Have a happy New Year. John','',0,'','2lj7l6ub',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2041,520,1,51,0,'152.163.252.104',1073238743,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Polarize Generator','Sometimes the brushes on the generator don&#039;t make contact because of dirty armature. If the generator is venilated with openings on the end clean the armature with a piece of crocus cloth wrapped on an ice cream stick or something similar. Loosen the belt and turn generator by hand while holding cloth on armature. This should clean the contacts. Do this carefully as the stick or cloth may catch. Delbert','',0,'','1lcbjgf4',1,0,'',51,0,0),(2043,520,1,366,0,'209.173.42.70',1073244571,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','','Hey guys thanks alot! I have polarized a generator once a few years ago and have slept since then and couldn&#039;t rememeber. \r\n\r\n I&#039;ll go up there in a little bit and check and try all of this. \r\n\r\nthanks again!','',0,'','15jxyxn7',1,0,'',366,0,0),(2044,523,1,453,0,'68.13.174.191',1073246048,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Larry Kruse','Oliver 70 red paint stripe','Need help with original specs.  On a 1948 Olilver 70, from the factory, how far did the red side stipe go back from the radiators?  I have seen restorations all over the board.  I cannot find any original photograps that show the factor paint scheme.  Any help would be appreciated.\r\nThanks and have prosperous New Year.','',0,'','3lcn11vk',1,0,'',453,0,0),(2045,524,1,453,0,'68.13.174.191',1073246419,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Larry Kruse','1948 Oliver 70 red paint stripe','Need help with original paint scheme on 1948 Oliver 70.   On the side frame, how far back does the red paint stripe go past the radiator?  I have seen some restorations with and without.  I have not been able to find any original factory photos.\r\nThanks and have a prosperous New Year.','',0,'','3jx1daot',1,0,'',453,0,0),(2047,524,1,366,0,'209.173.42.53',1073250349,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','','From the pictures I have in books here it looks like it goes all the way back to the back of the side panels. There was one in one book that was only back even with the sheetmetal around the radiator but most went all the way back .','',0,'','3w5bilu5',1,0,'',366,0,0),(2048,525,1,454,0,'65.165.16.244',1073254084,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Nebraska Cowman','Oliver Chilled Plows','[b:38cpyh53]Calling all Olivers!!!!![/b:38cpyh53]\r\nPlowday 2004 April 3rd at Wellfleet NE is Featuring the Oliver Chilled Plow.  I want to get a good representation and am looking for takers. Also would like to have someone bring a large Oliver Flag to put up for the Show. Be sure to visit our new website at [url=http&#58;//plowday&#46;com:38cpyh53]Plow Day[/url:38cpyh53]\n\n[Edited on 1-4-2004 by Nebraska Cowman]','',0,'UA==','38cpyh53',1,0,'',454,0,0),(2049,524,1,70,0,'170.215.213.18',1073261594,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','red stripe','From what I understand, a 1948 70 would only have the stripe go back to the end of the radiator.  The stripe would not go past the radiator.  On the early 70s the stripe would go all the way back.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'UA==','2y1ct3x7',1,0,'',70,0,0),(2050,516,1,70,0,'170.215.213.18',1073261964,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','Videos','I was wondering what kind of equipment or tractors are shown in the Oliver sales videos and of what vintage.  Also I was wondering how much the videos cost.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'UA==','39t0c461',1,0,'',70,0,0),(2051,515,4,123,0,'205.188.209.42',1073262432,1,0,1,1,1,0,'adsces','','Already talked to Landis,thats why Im looking here','',0,'UA==','2pfdcj11',1,0,'',123,0,0),(2053,527,1,450,0,'209.105.32.134',1073272723,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wide Open','Oliver 1800 Wheatland Sheetmetal','I am in need of the sheetmetal that wraps around the operators platform on a 1800 Wheatland. I need the door for the left side and the complete right side. This stuff seems to be almost non-existant as I cannot find it anywhere. Does anyone have an idea of where I can find some.Thank you for any help.','',0,'UA==','1c4whybg',1,0,'',450,0,0),(2055,529,1,455,0,'205.188.208.74',1073304840,1,0,1,0,1,1,'Fern(mi)','Okiver tractor repair','Search for sorce of engine in water coolent.','',0,'UA==','2w9wf1i9',1,0,'',455,0,0),(2056,529,1,47,0,'65.238.36.240',1073315357,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','????','Are you finding parts of your engine in the coolant? That is major!','',0,'UA==','1la0jef7',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2057,461,3,363,0,'68.152.9.254',1073335307,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Shep VA','','Just made my reservations to be there and it went very smooth.  Im hoping to bring one of my Oliver/Cummins repowered tractors for everyone to see.  Looking forward to seeing everyone in PA here soon.','',0,'UA==','2b1um2sg',1,0,'',363,0,0),(2059,531,3,362,0,'64.33.233.82',1073365329,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Norm','2004 HPOCA Summer Show','For those of you who don&#039;t know, the 2004 Summer Show will be at Prairie Village, in Madison, SD.  Watch the magazine for information, but you can also visit the Great Plains Oliver website for info about the show.  <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://greatplainsoliver.tripod.com\">http://greatplainsoliver.tripod.com</a><!-- m -->','',0,'UA==','v7nh4tss',1,0,'',362,0,0),(2062,529,1,122,0,'65.117.137.176',1073491639,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','','Sounds like a Jim Beam problem.','',0,'UA==','1qqsm0x6',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2063,532,2,456,0,'205.206.24.68',1073504898,1,0,1,1,1,0,'collins1','Parts for 28-50','I need an exhaust manifold for a 28-50 hart parr.  It would greatly improve my restoration project.  Does any one know where I can get one?\r\nThanks','',0,'UA==','24yb2cqe',1,0,'',456,0,0),(2064,513,2,444,0,'209.143.49.215',1073527183,1,0,1,1,1,0,'william Hoppes','Harparr 1934   18-37 row crop radiator frame','Oliver Newbie,  Please advise condition, price, photograph and your location.','',0,'UA==','37uchv9x',1,0,'',444,0,0),(2065,519,3,67,0,'64.6.2.141',1073527959,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Received word today, direct from the printer.  The books are finished, and I should receive by Friday 1/9.  Will ship out all pending orders immediately upon receipt.  Terry.','',0,'UA==','3ry0sm1t',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2066,519,3,51,0,'205.188.209.42',1073528472,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Show Book','Thanks for the information. Have been anxious to see the Show Book. I hope it arives soon. Delbert','',0,'UA==','h1hr3wbr',1,0,'',51,0,0),(2067,533,3,122,0,'65.117.137.181',1073569896,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','Magazine','Just checked on the home page for the status of the Jan/Feb magazine. The following is what showed up.                     \r\n\r\n\r\n    \r\n   The November/December issue was mailed on November 3.                             \r\n\r\n       What&#039;s up?','',0,'UA==','2ps55sou',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2068,533,3,67,0,'64.6.2.74',1073597402,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I just checked on the magazine status today.  The magazine is at the printers, and will be mailed on or before Jan 15.  We apologize for the delay as it was originally expected to mail on time, but due to holidays, and unforseen problems with the mailing permit, it has been delayed for about 10 days later than usual.  I hope you will find it to be worth the wait.  Terry.','',0,'UA==','3lyae14i',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2069,519,3,67,0,'64.6.2.74',1073597555,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','The books arrived today.  We are packaging them up for mailing today (Thursday 1/8),  and they will all be mailed out on Friday 1/9.  Terry.','',0,'UA==','1dcqjdwk',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2070,534,3,67,0,'64.6.2.74',1073598273,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','magazine','I have checked on the status of the Jan/Feb magazine, and it is to be mailed on or before Jan. 15.  We had hoped to be able to mail it on time, but knew this would be difficult with holidays and getting a late start after recent changes.  The magazine would normally have mailed around Jan 5 with the holiday schedule, and the delay will be only about 10 days.  I apologize for the delay, but hope that you will feel it was worth the wait when you see it.  Terry.','',0,'UA==','voqjknm2',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2072,435,6,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1073683003,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Heh Heh Frank my friend...when you have it as bad as my Dad and I...you get things from all over.  You set out on adventures...just searching...driving...hoping you see a familiar nose poking out of the fencerow.  We used to do that all the time.  Thats how we got most of ours as a matter of fact.  \r\nOh by the way...sorry to leave you hanging on this post for so long!  Never noticed that anyone had replied to me!\n\n[Edited on 1-9-2004 by 995Lugmatic]','',0,'','3dv36uyh',1,0,'',105,0,0),(2073,536,1,410,0,'209.110.210.48',1073695734,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ng','oliver 550','Looking for a good running Oliver 550 in Minnesota or Wisconsin.  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Novakg@msn.com\">Novakg@msn.com</a><!-- e -->\n\n[Edited on 1-10-2004 by ng]','',0,'','3291ekb2',1,0,'',410,0,0),(2074,537,1,458,0,'205.188.208.10',1073713600,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H','OC-3','I have rescued what I think is an Oliver OC-3 from a woodlot we purchased.  On the engine just behind the carburator I found a tag under some heavy paint.  The tag read as follows:\r\n1XA3\r\n675XXX(X couldn&#039;t read number for sure)\r\n008   006\r\nDoes any one know if this is an engine number or the number for the whole machine ?\r\nIf this just an engine number, where should the tag be located that is for the machine?\r\n\r\nMany Thanks\r\nJohn H.','',0,'','2dwxa70y',1,0,'',458,0,0),(2075,467,1,458,0,'205.188.209.42',1073714551,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H','Head Bolt Sequence','The following is from an instruction manuel for an OC-3\r\n\r\n 18  13  9  8  7  12  16\r\n\r\n5         2    1    3       4\r\n\r\n17  14  10  6  11  15\r\n\r\nThe numbers represent headbolts and the numbers indicate the sequence.  I usually do the sequenc several times starting with 10 ft pds then going to 20, then 30 and finally to 40 foot pounds.  I believe 40 foot pounds is the recommended torque.  Data is for serial # 350 0000 &amp;amp; up and 1WH000 &amp;amp; up.\r\n\r\nHope this helps,\r\nJohn H.','',0,'','1jnk3ogr',1,0,'',458,0,0),(2076,537,1,96,0,'216.201.29.184',1073742551,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','1948 OC-3','IXA is the Hercules engine model. The 3 indicates it has 3 timing gears. These engines were also made as a 5 gear engine, however they were not used by Cletrac. If your engine has that tag your crawler is a very early HG not an OC-3 although they pretty well look alike. The HG was made from 1939 until early 1951. Three models of the engines were used. IXA was used at the start. Then the IXK engines were used. They have a 1/8 inch larger bore then in early 1950 they went another 1/8 inch increase in the bore to the IXB engine. Your craler is actually a Cletrac and was built before Oliver owned the company. At least three styles of serial number tags were used from the start of the model to the end of production. Most of them were located on the right (sitting on the seat) frame rail although some were attached to the bell housing. In your case the serial number will be a digit, two letters and then three more numbers. An example would be: 3GA 340. Also look behind the mag as the date the block was cast by Hercules will be cast into the block at that location. Hope this helps. Questions?','',0,'','4z4rwwrp',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2077,547,3,26,0,'216.176.88.200',1073744063,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','Correction','The former editor always mailed the Jan/Feb issue prior to New Years.  Last year it was mailed on December 27.','',0,'','1gu9vye5',1,0,'',26,0,0),(2078,537,1,47,0,'65.238.36.88',1073748715,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','From what we see, you might find the serial # plate on the right frame rail, between the axle housing and the right foot rest. Later models used the bellhousing. You should hunt around and scrape a little to find original paint, it should be orange, and the center strip on the grill should be about 3/4&amp;quot; wide. If this tractor is this early, there will be considerable difference from later years, if you know what to look for. You may want to call Landis Zimmerman, he can be very helpful with information, manuals, data, and parts. PH 717-738-2573\r\nHaving found this tractor in a woodlot, there is good possibility the serial plate has been knocked off, and lost. That happened alot.\n\n[Edited on 10-1-2004 by Andy]','',0,'','1mvtzjyq',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2079,547,3,47,0,'65.238.36.88',1073749127,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','&#039;always&#039;? That must refer to recent years.','',0,'','35akf1xo',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2080,537,1,458,0,'152.163.252.199',1073753262,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H','Thanks For Great Information','[quote:171xxxk8][i:171xxxk8]Originally posted by John Schwiebert[/i:171xxxk8]\nIXA is the Hercules engine model. The 3 indicates it has 3 timing gears. These engines were also made as a 5 gear engine, however they were not used by Cletrac. If your engine has that tag your crawler is a very early HG not an OC-3 although they pretty well look alike. The HG was made from 1939 until early 1951. Three models of the engines were used. IXA was used at the start. Then the IXK engines were used. They have a 1/8 inch larger bore then in early 1950 they went another 1/8 inch increase in the bore to the IXB engine. Your craler is actually a Cletrac and was built before Oliver owned the company. At least three styles of serial number tags were used from the start of the model to the end of production. Most of them were located on the right (sitting on the seat) frame rail although some were attached to the bell housing. In your case the serial number will be a digit, two letters and then three more numbers. An example would be: 3GA 340. Also look behind the mag as the date the block was cast by Hercules will be cast into the block at that location. Hope this helps. Questions? [/quote:171xxxk8]','',0,'oA==','171xxxk8',1,0,'',458,0,0),(2081,547,3,459,0,'67.250.226.1',1073753413,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oliver66','','What Sherry had to say above may have been true for last year, but it sure wasn&#039;t true for the Jan/Feb issue for 2000. At that time she was 3 issues behind on the magazine. I believe the so called Jan/Feb 2000 issue didn&#039;t come out till sometime after the Winter Get Together in March that year. And then it wasn&#039;t even a real magazine it was just the HPOCA Membership Directory for 2000. Kind of a freebie given to her by the board, who at the time were more sympathetic to her than the current board, to help her get back on schedule, not a real magazine at all. \r\n\r\nAt that time our friends out in Iowa were getting ready to host the National Winter Get Together at the largest facility that one of these had been held at up to that time. The banquet room could seat up to 1000 people, unfortunately less than 400 were there because the magazine was 3 issues behind and only the inner circle of the HPOCA even knew that there was a Winter Get Together going on.\r\n\r\nA few months later, Sherry and her guardian angel Bob Tallman convinced the board to make the editor&#039;s job a full time position. I don&#039;t know what your working experience has been, but in most cases I have seen, if you allow yourself to get 6 months behind in your work your boss doesn&#039;t give you a promotion you get fired!\r\n\r\nAbout a year later we find out that the reason Sherry was so far behind in the magazine was that she was busy writing her own Oliver book and busy meeting deadlines for that instead of meeting deadlines for the HPOCA Collector which should have been her main focus at that time.\r\n\r\nI have sat back for the last 2 months reading all this garbage about Sherry and the magazine and finally decided that at least part of the record should be set straight.\r\n\r\nI hope you all give Chris &amp;amp; Becky Losey a chance to show what they can do as editors for the magazine &amp;amp; the club before passing final judgement.','',0,'oA==','1jboj2z1',1,0,'',459,0,0),(2082,537,1,458,0,'152.163.252.199',1073754153,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H','','Thank you very much for the excellent information.  I will follow up on your suggestions as soon as the weather breaks a little. Will let you know what I find.  The paint was orange underneath on both the block and on the magneto.','',0,'oA==','1yb1ppik',1,0,'',458,0,0),(2083,537,1,458,0,'152.163.252.199',1073754562,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H','','Andy,\r\n\r\nThanks for the great information.  I really appreciate the help.  I will follow up on your suggestions as soon as the weather permitts.  The paint wae orange when I scrapped to find the information on the plate.  Also, the bottom layer of paint on the magneto was orange.  The orange was very similiar to an Allis Chalmer&#039;s orange.','',0,'oA==','2ox5y8hu',1,0,'',458,0,0),(2084,547,3,407,0,'208.31.40.145',1073757568,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','','You guys are sad, get off the computer and go work in the shop if all you can do is wine. I have had enough of the back and forth stuff (to keep it clean). I&#039;ve been a member since spring of 94 and this club has gone from 6 cylinders to 2. I should go paint the wheels yellow on my hart parrs. But what do I know I&#039;m just a dumb kid I guess.','',0,'oA==','2f7emv1n',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2085,547,3,407,0,'208.31.40.145',1073761871,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','cheese and wine','Just to add- I joined this club to meet people who shared my enjoyment in these old Olivers. I also signed on to this thing to give me some good conversation while I&#039;m at college. I am in no way prejudice against our new editor but I am disappointed with how our last editor has been and is being treated. Everything was fine at the time. If someone had a problem they should have written to the magazine or pushed to take on the responsibilities themselves if they were so hot. I was never upset with the magazine in the early years because we were small and so was the magazine and you expect a delay or something time to time. But years later and much larger,having a hissy-fit is simply a way of justifying an unnecessary action. That is why I am upset and that is the general feeling of my local collector friends. I may not know every little detail but I do know Sherry did a good job for me. I think if anyone has any respect for other people they would cease this type of conversation. I just wish my hobbie wasn&#039;t listening to a cheap soap opera but rather talking about old junk tractors and such.','',0,'oA==','2aylpgon',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2086,547,3,9,0,'64.12.96.166',1073763711,1,0,1,1,1,0,'super99gm','','I&#039;m not impressed with the new editor so far.  We were promised great things and all we are getting is a late magazine.  Looks like a step back in time.  Someone tried to fix something that wasn&#039;t broken.','',0,'oA==','rfv3ltm6',1,0,'',9,0,0),(2087,538,6,461,0,'67.217.54.17',1073765273,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bernico','Alexander 11IN walking plow?','I recently bought an Alexander walking plow. The only printing is on the frog and it says &amp;quot;Alexander 11 IN&amp;quot;. It looks almost like an Oliver walking plow. Does anyone have any info on this plow? I think it was made in Neosho, Mo.','',0,'oA==','1fvjym6y',1,0,'',461,0,0),(2088,547,3,26,0,'216.176.88.112',1073776225,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','Enough already','It seems senseless to have to keep defending myself when only half a story is told, but here I go again.  \r\n\r\nYes, in the past there were problems with late magazines, but we were never 3 issues behind schedule.  The Jan/Feb 2000 issue, which was the membership directory was mailed nearly 4 months late.  I would hardly call it a freebie to me.  It was a freebie for the club as I was never paid to do that issue.  If you look back in time even further, you will note that the previous editor also replaced a magazine with a membership directory and that didn&#039;t create a problem.  At that time, when things were behind,  I had asked the board to find a new editor as I couldn&#039;t keep up.  They couldn&#039;t or wouldn&#039;t and that just left me in a deeper hole.  We were going through some real growing pains and a full-time position would allow me to get things back on schedule.  The board also had the option of finding another part-time editor.  They chose to make it a full-time position for me with the condition that the magazine HAD to be back on schedule within 2 issues and remain that way, which I did.  Regardless, that&#039;s in the past and might as well remain there.  \r\n\r\nA special newsletter was sent out regarding the HPOCA Winter Get Together that year to ALL members because we knew the magazine was going to be late.  And although my book did take up some of my free time, the full-time job at a growing business took up much more of it.  Since that was my bread and butter then, that&#039;s the job that was my main focus.  I&#039;ve tried to make up for that bumpy year, but I can&#039;t make it go away. It&#039;s part of the past.....just like me.','',0,'oA==','w25it96b',1,0,'',26,0,0),(2089,508,1,366,0,'209.173.42.22',1073795658,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','','hey if you were closer to West Tn bring them on over and hide them here. We got som many colors around this place it wouldn&#039;t be lonely and I don&#039;t think my wife would even notice another one sitting around <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'oA==','1wlzd2je',1,0,'',366,0,0),(2090,519,3,51,0,'64.12.96.166',1073841728,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Show Book','Show book arrived Sat 1/10. I was at the I&amp;amp;I on work day when my wife called, she was reading the Show Book and forgot to eat lunch, the book is so good. Have read most of it and looked at the pictures several times. Thanks to everyone involved and Rich Porter for putting the book together. Hope the HPOCA continues each year with another edition. Delbert #2463','',0,'oA==','2ul3uaoj',1,0,'',51,0,0),(2091,539,1,140,0,'216.95.136.70',1073847943,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverorchard','Mounted Planter','Looking for an Oliver 2 row planter that mounts on the tractor pipes. One to restore and use. Does anyone know of such an item?\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'oA==','2gryqsxp',1,0,'',140,0,0),(2092,519,3,65,0,'216.183.132.173',1073858976,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Show Book','Will the show book be available at winter convention?  IF they will let beef eating cattle farmers over the border  and Buffalo isn&#039;t having a snow day [couple feet] planning on being there. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> Ps: don&#039;t worry about mad cow thing worry about mad beef producer!!!','',0,'','5uazw0xh',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2093,540,1,462,0,'64.77.160.245',1073862797,1,0,1,1,1,0,'redbarn','125 oliver lawnmower trade','I would like to trade a nice original 125 mower with deck for a nice oc43g dozer with ac anderson blade. Dozer must be nice and undercarriage good. Thanks. Reply back here.','',0,'','3gx8jtgb',1,0,'',462,0,0),(2094,541,1,420,0,'66.201.21.28',1073865013,1,0,1,1,1,0,'A4T-2655 Oliver','Waukesha 310 Block and Crank','The block is out of a 1955 Oliver. Would like to know the value of a good block and a standard 221411 crankshaft. Block had been boiled and checked. Has oil cooler cast in block. 1974 year model i think. thanks A4T','',0,'','3asvq6rj',1,0,'',420,0,0),(2095,519,3,67,0,'64.6.2.54',1073866523,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Show books will be available at the winter convention in PA, or can be ordered any time.  Thanks, Terry.','',0,'','2cqrzpl5',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2096,541,1,12,0,'69.11.148.185',1073868288,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Price ?','Those two items are not easy to come by. I can&#039;t give you a specic value because I havn&#039;t seen any sell. I can tell you that I just bought a 1955 and the fellow bidding against me wanted to buy it just for the block. He quite bidding at about $1500, of course he was getting the whole tractor along with the block! I do have his ph# if you are interested in selling. This 1955 has a knock so I may be in need of a crank myself. Price it high, you can always come down, but you can&#039;t raise the price! WB.','',0,'','1avtfz2y',1,0,'',12,0,0),(2097,542,1,33,0,'24.54.43.196',1073874508,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Eric Severance','Which grill on my 550 ?','I am looking at a 1963 Oliver 550. It is missing it&#039;s grill. If I was to stay &amp;quot;politically correct&amp;quot;, which grill would I hunt up for this tractor. I know they made a couple of changes around this era.','',0,'','24ij2zdy',1,0,'',33,0,0),(2098,542,1,35,0,'68.210.79.181',1073874979,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','550 grill','You will need the checkerboard fiberglass grill. I recommend Dumonts since they sell reproduction grills. Their phone no. is 641-622-2592 or email at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:oliver@lisco.com\">oliver@lisco.com</a><!-- e -->.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','2fafvy77',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2099,543,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.218',1073877944,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','New forum software','This is a notice to let everybody know that I will be installing new forum software in the next week or so. All usernames, posts, U2U&#039;s, info, etc. will be transferred to the new froum. I have  been trying the converter on another web site, and have it so everything transfers nicely. But just to be safe, I will make a backup of the old forum, and perform the upgrade during off hours, so the change should happen seamlessly. But in the event something goes wrong, (we all know how computers are... <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) --> ) I recommend printing out any messages or U2U&#039;s that you want copies of.\r\n\r\nIf you would like to get a &#039;feel&#039; for what the new forum will work like, please visit <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/\">http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/</a><!-- m --> . I will be changing the look to more of what we have now, but you can get an idea of what it will be like. \r\n\r\n\r\nTake a look and let me know what you think.\r\n\r\n I will post a definite update time in the near future.','',0,'','2ifqk5bg',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2100,541,1,308,0,'66.59.103.226',1073958242,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Russ SCPA','1955 engine parts','I have a current price for a used crank for a 1950-T  mains 10 under, rods 30 under, price to me was $1200.  As of right now I have not decided if I am buying or not. I might have my crank built up. One journal is bad, rest are OK.','',0,'','1fmumd7b',1,0,'',308,0,0),(2101,519,3,12,0,'69.11.148.140',1073958917,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','','I recieved mine today and it sure looks nice! I hope we can continue with a new one every year. It would be interesting to get a good variety of tractors and equipment from the different parts of the country. WB.','',0,'','8fsksw6r',1,0,'',12,0,0),(2102,541,1,96,0,'216.201.29.3',1073965582,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','310 Crank','Make sure that guy has the equipment to build up a diesel crank and if you buy the other one ask him to Rockwell test it and give you the results. Remember they are not hardened much below 30. Or If you spun a bearing you probably chased the hardness out.','',0,'','2ps4zifp',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2103,547,3,63,0,'208.32.95.104',1074014130,1,0,1,1,1,0,'550buff','','Oliver66,\r\n&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt;sat back????&amp;lt;h2&amp;gt; \r\n\r\nAs far as I see it you are still sitting back, not posting your name and directly attacking somebody like you did is nothing short of a chicken!\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->:mad:','',0,'','106ln46j',1,0,'',63,0,0),(2104,513,2,407,0,'208.31.40.93',1074026310,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','','I have 2 sets ofthe side plates, do you need the tanks as well. I have 2 good top tanks with small Oliver, for 1930-33 machines. one bottom tank that needs repair.','',0,'','2lckq1jf',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2105,544,1,407,0,'208.31.40.93',1074026439,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','Oliver 66 trans. cover','I need a transmission cover for a 1949 oliver 66 rc. Thanks','',0,'','1rifzbl7',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2106,547,3,88,0,'64.158.112.249',1074029310,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Well, Having read all of this,,,,It just confirms my feelings that the present board made a major mistake. Yes, the former editor had a few problems at times, but since she has been a full time editor I would say the magazine was delivered ON time. I&#039;m sure some people had delays, but they were the mail systems fault. NOW,,,,,,,,,the board in all of it&#039;s wisdom has a new editor (that they hand picked), and we are getting off to a great start,,,,,,,First Issue: LATE.....Congratulations to the president and board members!!!!!!!!','',0,'','2q4cwlnr',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2107,396,1,419,0,'207.144.213.5',1074030225,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnsonsolivers','narrow front','for the narrow front would be $200','',0,'','2j8x6655',1,0,'',419,0,0),(2108,541,1,65,0,'216.183.149.184',1074033029,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','new crank','I see in Steiner ads new crank for 310 @ $1050 anyone have any experiance with them?','',0,'','3sk3qqh2',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2109,545,1,144,0,'169.207.73.56',1074035231,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','Wanted: oliver 125/145 lawn tractor','I&#039;m looking to buy a oliver 125 or 145 lawn tractor. In good condition.','',0,'','m1tccad2',1,0,'',144,0,0),(2110,540,1,426,0,'208.224.126.143',1074044236,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john holcomb','Trade?','Do you really want a crawler I have a good Cockshutt 80 standard wheatland that runs like a top I would trade. Or if someone with a dozer wants to do a three way.','',0,'','92b0iuv4',1,0,'',426,0,0),(2111,415,1,426,0,'208.224.126.143',1074044497,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john holcomb','','If you strike out I can help with used carbs but I just sold my last spare float. John','',0,'','1v524thf',1,0,'',426,0,0),(2113,546,3,176,0,'216.61.121.144',1074059935,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Barry-KC','Show Book and Spec Cast #3','Many thanks to all of the Oliver Club members who brought us the HPOCA Penfield Show book and the HP #3 by Spec Cast.  Just received the Show book Sat. and it is excellent.  Then today, my replacement #3 arrived from Spec Cast.  In this world of mediocre business practices, Spec Cast is a refreshing example of how a business should be managed.','',0,'','p8bady3e',1,0,'',176,0,0),(2115,547,3,407,0,'208.31.40.95',1074093821,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','rules','I was wondering the same thing cookieoliverman. I also think many of the members on this should also use that little page we all get and post a little information about themselves. No need to be shy, heck some seem to have alot to say but little backround to show. I think some people might tend to be nicer to others when there is a name with the mouth. I should run that by suggestions but I get the feeling some people would rather have no consequence to thier &amp;quot;good name&amp;quot; and still talk trash about others. Wouldn&#039;t that just be good manners?&amp;gt; mind you this comes from a boy who was born on a mountain and raised in a cave, truckers know the rest of that rhyme just ask them.\r\nP.S. Oliver66-FLAGPOLE,3:00, Lancaster town hall 2/26-be there.haha','',0,'','344kvwwv',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2116,547,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1074106598,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','i agree with Cookieoliverman. The rules of ingagement are absolutely silly and only intended for select persons. That is determined by what that persons opinion is. Please if you have not yet, Read the forum rules. Then read all the posts that fall under these rules. You will see quite clearly who is allowed to break the rules and who is not. \r\n     As far as calling Bob Tallman a guardian angel. (i realize this was said in a sarcastic way) You are absolutely right. Not just for Sherry, but for every Oliver collector who needed a little advice or a history lesson. Bob had the knowledge and was willing to share it with anybody. If he didn&#039;t know, you can bet your butt he&#039;d find out for you. It is apperant anybody who puts down Bob Tallman really didn&#039;t know the man. Just a word of warning to anybody willing to put down Bob. You are treading on very thin ice. I will not stand for it and others will not as well. \r\n        I am not afraid to put my full name under my posts. If anybody wishes to debate me about the kind of man Bob was. I am more than willing to free myself up so we can do so face to face....... Have a nice day.\r\n\r\n     Daniel S. Tabor\r\n       member # 747','',0,'','27glc5lg',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2117,547,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1074108245,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','As for my opinion on this whole mess I have posted mine on here plentifully so I will not waste time doing it again.  However I do think this is getting out again once again and that everyone needs to sit down and try to keep a cool mind.  I don&#039;t think anyone was trying to attack Sherry or Mr. Tallman, just stating some facts.  That is at least how I read into it, but that&#039;s just me.  As for the late magazine I&#039;m as frustrated as everyone else, but Sherry was late with it in the past, and people gave her the benefit of the doubt, so why not give the new editors the same courtesy...  Anyways remember this club is supposed to be made up of friends so please quit with the slander and the so called &amp;quot;meet me on the playground at 3:00.  Ever heard of agree to disagree??','',0,'','22d9jbjh',1,0,'',142,0,0),(2118,534,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.214',1074110844,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','Deleted thread','Per Bob Cook&#039;s (Cookieoliverman) wishes, the rest of this thread has been deleted in accordance with forum rule #2.\n\n[Edited on 1-14-2004 by admin]','',0,'','2gn3dtvd',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2119,534,3,88,0,'67.74.247.62',1074114413,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Well, just shows how useless this site has become. Not much more needs to said, everyone knows how screwed up this organization is.','',0,'','2gh0vjrq',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2120,548,3,403,0,'66.187.42.78',1074115304,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Farmer in The Dells (WI)','Number 3 status','Could anyone inform me (and everyone else) as to the whereabouts and status of #3 as of 1/14? Thanks','',0,'','dcnzo4h2',1,0,'',403,0,0),(2121,549,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.214',1074118038,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','Forum update','New forum software\r\n\r\nThis is a notice to let everybody know that I will be installing new forum software in the next week or so. All usernames, posts, U2U&#039;s, info, etc. will be transferred to the new froum. I have been trying the converter on another web site, and have it so everything transfers nicely. But just to be safe, I will make a backup of the old forum, and perform the upgrade during off hours, so the change should happen seamlessly. But in the event something goes wrong, (we all know how computers are... <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) --> ) I recommend printing out any messages or U2U&#039;s that you want copies of.\r\n\r\nIf you would like to get a &#039;feel&#039; for what the new forum will work like, please visit <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/\">http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/</a><!-- m --> . I will be changing the look to more of what we have now, but you can get an idea of what it will be like.\r\n\r\n\r\nTake a look and let me know what you think.\r\n\r\nI will post a definite update time in the near future.','',0,'','3r7jfqki',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2122,548,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1074120390,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Hart Parr #3','Hart Parr #3 is officially on loan to the I&amp;amp;I Antique Tractor &amp;amp; Gas Engine Club in Penfield, IL. This loan period will last for another 2 years. The tractor can be viewed at the museum during events at the club, one Saturday a week during the winter and Saturday mornings during the summer and by appointment. The tractor will also be displayed during Historic Farm Days the second weekend of July for the next 2 years. Let me know if I can answer any further questions. Visit our web site at: <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.antiquefarm.org\">http://www.antiquefarm.org</a><!-- m -->','',0,'','2ckk4m2p',1,0,'',7,0,0),(2123,544,1,37,0,'68.155.20.166',1074124905,1,0,1,1,1,0,'george steadman','cover','Do you need the cover where the gearshift is or the one under your feet. The back cover I have asking 75.00','',0,'','3h4siw5b',1,0,'',37,0,0),(2124,544,1,407,0,'208.31.40.180',1074125905,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','cover','Yeah the one under your feet. I think a bunch of chickens operated this tractor and rotted the heck out of it!','',0,'','1yniypps',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2126,534,3,88,0,'67.74.251.243',1074135203,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','&amp;quot;so how come you deleted the other posts&amp;quot;\r\n\r\nI would think the reason would be just as you stated,,,,,,it was the truth......something that it is not at all popular on this site. If the administrator claims that truth is welcome here,,,,,,let him put the deleted posts back on...........of course he has the power to delete this as well. I&#039;m sure anyone viewing this site over the past few months gets the message about what is really going on here,,,,,,,,,,,','',0,'','ottefof3',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2127,534,3,374,0,'64.12.96.166',1074135218,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','magazine','Gee Board Members great job.......late magazine again or the first new late one....isnt this the same of what was alluded to that our previous editor received demerits for????....and Terry you have the audacity to ask our previous employee to assist with getting the magazines out now????  YOU REALLY HAVE SOME SET OF &amp;quot;TIRES&amp;quot; ON YOUR TRACTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!','',0,'','dq0y7m3m',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2128,534,3,67,0,'64.6.2.104',1074136100,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Nobody asked the former editor for help to get the magazine out, but I did ask if she would help to explain the status of our mailing permit for the magazine.  The postmaster from Red Wing, MN (where the magazine was mailed) showed that they were authorized as a point of entry under our permit originated in Mulberry Grove, IL.  The postmaster from Mulberry Grove (where the permit originated) says that the permit expired over 5 years ago because paperwork was not kept current.  This was part of the editor&#039;s job.  We also checked the post office in Nokomis.  They said no permit exists there either, so a new permit application has been filed.  This will cost us considerable extra postage, as a new permit takes time, and it is not possible to get it before the next magazine mailing. \r\n Terry.','',0,'','2cjsic4e',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2129,534,3,124,0,'12.150.142.210',1074136190,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oliver88','HPOCA situation','A friend of mine and myself that have been members for several years now and have attended two national shows have been following this situation.  In discussing the situation we hope that some real good reasons justifying this situation are presented in the Jan/Feb magazine.  (Haven&#039;t seen any good ones yet.) We feel that Sherry has done a GREAT job in the past.  We are not personally aquainted with Sherry but have know her father for some years now.  We have decided that if adequate justification is not provided, we will not renew our memberships. \r\nGreg Davis, currently a HPOCA member?','',0,'','3csmj41x',1,0,'',124,0,0),(2130,534,3,374,0,'64.12.96.166',1074136564,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','deletions','Isn&#039;t it amazing that someone that speaks of something that seems very accurate and truthful ....gets the red button....and sent to the &amp;quot;black hole of HPOCA&amp;quot;.Mr.Cook&#039;s explanation seemed about as honest and close to anything we have read to date....we were asked to keep it honest and truthful,yet a personal attack remains for a longer period of time....guess the forum police are protecting something and?or someone(s).....and as Doug has said above we all know whats really going on......PS How can I get in on the double secret conversations only the &amp;quot;good ol&#039; boys &amp;quot; leading our club can access via computer,their&amp;quot; special communique&amp;quot;.....Should we guess the password??                    Ed Brandt','',0,'','3bf99m7t',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2131,441,3,124,0,'12.150.142.210',1074137620,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oliver88','HPOCA situation','Hope some good justifications are provided in the upcoming magazine.  If not, I know two members in NC that will soon be non-members.  Don&#039;t want to be part of an organization that can&#039;t get along.  No offense Sherry.\r\nGreg Davis','',0,'','16xvy0ld',1,0,'',124,0,0),(2132,534,3,407,0,'208.31.40.148',1074137676,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','magazine','I feel somewhat responsible for the deletion today, it has not been pointed at me in any way but I had agreed with cookieoliverman and added my own 2 cents. That should have been brought to my account if indeed it effected it in any manner.But what a change our club has had in this short time. You see it wasn&#039;t just fireing Sherry, it was ending the personality she brought to us and that which we have grown accustomed to within the magazine. I do not think this sort of thing can be replaced as easily as our board members had thought, this could be years and I would not be the least bit suprised if there is a drop in memberships and/or another club as I see the events unfolding. I am still outraged, not even knowing Sherry, or her family but I believe thier positive contributions to this organization are irreplacable and undeniable.','',0,'','29rhhlao',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2134,534,3,26,0,'68.20.152.154',1074138420,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','mailing permits','Our original mailing permit was never held in Mulberry Grove.  That permit and fee was paid in Nokomis, IL where the mailings were done by the editor prior to me.  The postmaster that was there at that time is no longer there, so it doesn&#039;t surprise me that the current postmaster knows nothing about us. Mulberry Grove was merely an additional entry, just like Red Wing.  The postmaster who was handling our account in Mulberry is no longer there either.  If our &amp;quot;additional entry permit&amp;quot; was expired 5 years ago, why did they continue to let us mail there as late as 2000?  I knew nothing about an expired permit and did everything that I was told to do.  There has never been a problem with our mailing permit as far as I could see.  As for helping the board with the situation now -  You broke it, you fix it.','',0,'','1rstt5cf',1,0,'',26,0,0),(2135,534,3,88,0,'67.74.251.243',1074138536,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','You would think that checking on the mailing permit is something that should have been done a long time ago,,,,,But it sounds like a good excuse for an already behind schedule magazine,,,,,,doesn&#039;t it????','',0,'','1jqnqn3n',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2136,441,3,88,0,'67.74.251.243',1074138818,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Here is another member who most likely will not be renewing my membership. Hopefully, in the future, if this organiziation gets it&#039;s act together and starts functioning again as it once did, I will be happy to join again.','',0,'','2n169szr',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2137,534,3,374,0,'64.12.96.166',1074139203,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Excuses','EXCUSES!! EXCUSES!! EXCUSES!! C&#039;mon board members you can do better than that....5 years and now after the fact it was her fault.....we must&#039;ve saved a bundle in mailings over the years....Terry are sure yourself and the brood are really farmers and not displaced government workers??','',0,'','6hy33g5b',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2138,534,3,137,0,'216.177.31.104',1074139435,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ggibby','No Premit?','How could the magazine been sent anywhere with out a permit?\r\nMaybe the Editor has more on the ball than the rest of us could of emagined.\r\nAnd I would think that the Printer and ultimatley the Shipper/Mailer would take care of this on the clubs behalf.\r\nCost more money to get a new permit? Did we save money for the last Five years?\r\nI have only been a member for Five years, but I can&#039;t find any fault with what the work that Sherry Or any of the Contributions represented in the Magazine.\r\nI thought things were just fine.\r\nKeep Well All.\r\nRegards,\r\nGeorge Gibby','',0,'','1rsszw7d',1,0,'',137,0,0),(2139,534,3,374,0,'64.12.96.166',1074139563,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','excuses','PS....that would be less Landis of course,we all know his integrity,he&#039;s the only &amp;quot;rooster&amp;quot; in this hen house','',0,'','2mmzv5bd',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2140,534,3,88,0,'67.74.251.243',1074140082,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','It will be interesting to see if ALL of the messages posted here will still be here tomorrow. Funny how all the ones posted yesterday did a disappearing act.','',0,'','22zijf7u',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2141,534,3,374,0,'64.12.96.166',1074140500,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Mr.Cook','And in closing tonight I would like to ask you ,Mr.Cook ,to reprint your rebuttal to the attack of Oliver66 on Sherry yesterday so that all of us may read an accurate interpretation.Its too bad that one person&#039;s interpretation can eliminate an accurate response.Anticipating some fine reading over coffee in the am........Ed Brandt:cool:','',0,'','1x8buiw6',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2142,534,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.198',1074141199,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','missing posts','I can&#039;t win with you people. If I leave posts on you say I should be stopping the personal attacks. If I delete them, it&#039;s censorship. You need to make up your mind. But I also can see that nothing I say or do will change anything. The board has made their decision, and a bunch of people that do not put their names to their posts, and may or may not be members of this club causing trouble on the web site is not going to change their mind.\r\n\r\nMy policy is this... if someone says a post needs deleted... the whole thread goes. I am not chosing sides.  If I delete one post, the rest will make no sense.\r\n\r\nI have been put in charge of this web site. If you don&#039;t like the way I moderate it, you should contact your HPOCA board of directors.','',0,'','2pgaqbxe',1,0,'',10611,0,0),