So, since someone said a few things that Chris didn't like he shut down the discussion. That's life in the land of HPOCA. We  have been quite upset by the attitude of president and board, but does Chris have anything to say about that? NO, he only cares about defending Andy. I say Andy is a guy who can defend himself, and usually has no trouble doing so. So, I guess now I have done it,,,,,I dared be critical of something, so Chris will no doubt shut this topic down, or most likely delete it. One thing that he better keep in mind,,,,,,there are plenty of other ways that people can communicate other than this forum.