Thanks for the reply Chris, i certainly apprecaite it.  As far as what Andy thinks, i think that lodgic is absolute rubbish. Andy did his job, as he seen fit, but by absolutely no stretch of the imagination is the discussion of how well he did his job closed. Wont be until the members voice thier pleasure or displeasure with a casted vote. As one of many concerned members, its now open to me and anybody else who cares to take the time to get the word out to as many members as possible and give them the facts or comparisions if you will of the PROPOSED changes. This would include indepth discriptions of ALL changes with copies of the original by law for comparision. Sounds to me like Andy is a little nervous about comin up short on this and hoping that little or no votes will spell success for his efforts. Since when did Andy start callin all the shots around here anyways. Wasnt all that long ago that he posted on here saying that membership involvement was crucial for club success.  That would be just great wouldnt it Chris, all this turmoil because we have reached a new age of communications and club involvement via internet, the powers that be struggle with the opposition and than they(Andy in this case) quick want to shut down the site so they can quietly do as they please. That would be like replacing the nails in the coffin with torque screws, i would think. Anyways thanks for the reply  Bob Cook #2057