(4011,939,2,459,0,'67.250.226.126',1095775720,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hart-Parr No. 2','David:\r\n\r\nThere was only one Hart-Parr No. 2 built. It was assembled during the summer of 1902 and was sold to P. Wendeloe of South Dakota on July 15, 1903. There is no record of what ever happened to No. 2 after that. \r\n\r\nAt the Floyd County Museum in Charles City Iowa they have the following Hart-Parr\'s: a 30-60, a 20-40, a 12-27 Crop Maker, a Little Red Devil. They also have some very accurate 1/3 scale running replicas of No. 1, a 20-40, and one other Hart-Parr.\r\n\r\nIf you are in the USA some time it would be worth a stop in Iowa to see these fine early tractors.\r\n\r\n--Marc Sletten--\r\nHPOCA #3952','',0,'QA==','29v8zex8',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4012,942,6,188,0,'64.255.108.39',1095777648,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','congradulations Grandpa,  hope you survive.   <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','155ovz30',1,0,'',188,0,0),(4013,939,2,705,0,'213.122.5.18',1095778317,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Dear Marc\r\n\r\nMany thanks for all this detailed info. I will certainly visit the Floyd County Museum at the first available opportunity. I heard about this model of the \"no.1\" tractor before - has anyone ever thought about building a full-scale replica of this tractor? Do the detailed plans still exist?\r\n\r\nI must admit I\'m a bit confused about the \"no.2\" tractor. What you are saying certainly agrees with everything I have read previously, i.e. that the no.2 was a one-off tractor. However, I found an article recently by ASME which says that \"a few model 2\'s still exist in private hands\". My guess is that this refers to the 22-40 tractors, such as the one owned by William Peterson, that I understand were based on the no.2 design??\r\n\r\nFrom seraching on the Web I have located a few early Hart-Parr tractors in collections/shows, but I guess there must be quite a few more out there! Any help would be much appreciated.\r\n\r\nBest wishes\r\n\r\nDavid Parfitt','',0,'QA==','217267ps',1,0,'',705,0,0),(4014,942,6,5,0,'216.166.192.159',1095814636,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Way to go, John!! Now you need to start collecting tractors for her! Well, at least I\'d TRY that line.  Jim','',0,'QA==','konk98ni',1,0,'',5,0,0),(4015,942,6,10611,0,'209.153.159.254',1095856833,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','John,  Congratulations!!\r\n\r\nJust remember, you can\'t start them out to young with the tractor hobby.\r\n\r\nBest wishes,','',0,'QA==','1lfvb58d',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4016,943,1,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1095862268,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Crashing Down','I just thought I would let everyone know, the last remaining Oliver factory building (on the original OCPW site) here in South Bend is scheduled to be demolished over the next two months.\r\n\r\nThe Forge Shop building was one of the original buildings of the OCPW and was placed on the National Register of Historic Places.  It was hoped that the building would attract a buyer who would restore it, but this never happened.  This building runs parallel to Arnold Street here in South Bend. The city is using the OCPW site as a new industrial park.\r\n\r\nThis morning there were two large bucket-loaders next to the building.  It probably won\'t take much to knock the the buildings down.\r\n\r\nIt is the end of an era. <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( --> \r\n\r\nHere are a couple of pictures I took inside the forge building two years ago.\r\n[img:2mwf0o41]http&#58;//www&#46;centerforhistory&#46;org/images/forge1&#46;jpg[/img:2mwf0o41]\r\n[img:2mwf0o41]http&#58;//www&#46;centerforhistory&#46;org/images/forge2&#46;jpg[/img:2mwf0o41]\r\n\r\nThought you\'d all like to know.\r\n\r\nTravis C.\r\nCenter for History\r\nSouth Bend, Indiana','',0,'CA==','2mwf0o41',1,0,'',259,0,0),(4017,941,1,489,0,'209.7.140.16',1095877056,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','threshers','I have one but am not able to measure it at this time. If you are asking about height because of hauling, we haul ours on a 16ft bumper hitch trailer. Plenty of room for going under bridges.','',0,'CA==','1u5iy5bh',1,0,'',489,0,0),(4018,932,5,363,0,'68.152.9.254',1095878022,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey thanks Chris.  If you have time sometime can you see if you can fix mine.  I am pretty sure you have that picture on your Olivergang website, if you dont I can send it to you again.\r\n\r\nI am not that good with changing pictures around...... yet.....\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'CA==','2s1j54tw',1,0,'',363,0,0),(4019,944,1,708,0,'63.168.199.187',1095897823,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Just bought a 38 Oliver 80 row crop','Hi I just bought a 1938 oliver 80 row crop narrow front s/n 109233. Can any one tell me any information about this tractor as to hp and such also what is one of these going for in good shape and in good running order?','',0,'CA==','flytminy',1,0,'',708,0,0),(4020,941,1,43,0,'158.247.216.35',1095904425,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','thresher','Thanks,\r\nThat\'s exactly why I  wanted to know.\r\nGeoffrey','',0,'CA==','10rl8hzk',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4021,883,1,43,0,'158.247.216.54',1095906142,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','carb kit','Try O\'Brien County Implement at <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.obci.net\">http://www.obci.net</a><!-- m -->. They will have a kit for it. They might not come with a high speed jet. If it doesn\'t, You can get one from B &amp; C Truck Electric in Kansas City, MO at <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.bctruckelectric.com\">http://www.bctruckelectric.com</a><!-- m -->. They are very helpful folks there. Just have the carb make, model, and the part number of your item ready and you\'ll have it in hand in no time.\r\nGeoffrey','',0,'CA==','3az7eskb',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4022,911,3,238,0,'205.188.116.143',1095912961,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Sammy,\r\nI did go to the meeting in Madison. A good portion of the members were told it would be inside the building, but when the cloggers started dancing and nobody saw Terry in the act, they got suspicious and went outside. There the meeting was being held less than 100 feet from the non oliver parade. \r\nI asked about the low $ amount on the (treasurers report?) and was sluffed an excuse that lots of members pay every other year, and this is an off year. That report shows the club losing $ in all areas except the no. 3 replica. We have lost many members.\r\nNext the proposed bylaws were read and the President called for a vote on the spot! I made the motion to postpone that vote. I did participate and I felt that the whole meeting was contrite sham. That not only was my opinion, but the general consenses of most who attended. \r\n                                                                  Larry Coltrin','',0,'CA==','x22gxanw',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4023,940,3,47,0,'12.65.55.125',1095988039,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Maybe you should get another computer. Article X section G is clearly on the proposed bylaws, on this website. I am happy to hear that you are a mind reader.\r\nHave a good day!\r\nAndy','',0,'CA==','1bmbtbea',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4024,911,3,47,0,'12.65.55.125',1095988925,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Larry,\r\nYou are wrong, dead wrong!!! A motion was made by Darrell Pollesch I believe I am correct, to include the recommendations on the annual ballot. That is the only time any vote was taken on a bylaws issue, and it passed. The changes will be on the annual ballot for the membership as a whole to vote on. That is the facts of the matter, I was less than 5 feet away from the President at the time, and heard it correctly. As far as facilities goes, that was arranged by the show, not by HPOCA, we used what they gave us, we were supposed to be inside, the show changed that. I would have rather been inside where I didn\'t need to put my papers on the ground to read them all, surely they would have a small table or something. You do with, what you have to do with, at the time.\r\nHave a great day!\r\nAndy','',0,'CA==','1uvgjp5y',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4025,911,3,47,0,'12.65.55.125',1095991969,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Larry,\r\nI don\'t believe you heard the answer that you wanted to hear. Were you a member when we had $20 dues? If so, then you should remember the members were allowed to pay 2 years in advance at the $20 rate, if it was done prior to the increase taking effect. Many members took advantage of this option, so, it created a significant cash influx. An example is my dues are in effect until next April, because I had about a half year remaining, and took the option of an additional 2 years at the $20 rate, but I had to pay it in full two years ago. I haven\'t owed dues since, but in April I will begin paying at the $30 rate, and will owe dues at that time. There are many members that did the exact same thing I did, so, the treasury has a feast and famine situation. The figures will not stabilize back to normal for another year, but from January thru to the end of next year will progressively stabilize, due to the members who already had dues paid, and took this option, will be having their dues expire, needing to renew at the new rate. So, there will be some fluctuation for another year, this should be the worst year for this problem, and it was discussed that this would be a problem at the time. Some members wanted to renew at $20 for many more years, but 2 was all that was allowed. The reasoning was that since there was a two year option, it would be honored if it came in before the deadline. There is still a two year option, but at the $30 rate. There shouldn\'t be any abnormal fluctuations when members normally opt for the two year renewal, and probably less than the one year. But, this was not a normal renewal, it was taking advantage of a beneficial option. Annually we get several local members at the summer show, who join, then drop out when their dues expire, ideally that would be replaced by those at the next show, and so on. But, since few things are ideal, this also causes fluctuation, depending on if it is a big show or mediocre, by our normal standards.\r\nSo, the problem you saw, was, we had lots of money, payed by dues, now, the HPOCA has to pay to provide the benefits the members already paid for! Does this make things any clearer at all?\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'CA==','2023mrp4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4026,932,5,10611,0,'209.153.156.153',1095994106,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Does that look better?\r\n\r\nI brightened it up a bit, but maybe I should have done a little more.','',0,'CA==','mmu8xj5w',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4030,948,5,10611,0,'209.153.156.188',1096144902,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Forum update','I have been doing some updating to the forum, and also working on adding some new features. But Murphy\'s law kicked in and a neighbor showed up, keeping me from finishing what I had started. Now I know why I normally do this in the middle of the night.\r\n\r\nIf you were here in the last hour or two, you saw that the forum was disabled. This was because I was working on it. Everything should be working now.','',0,'CA==','d8f0bxkc',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4033,932,5,363,0,'68.152.9.254',1096295087,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Looks Good,\r\n\r\nThanks Chris.   <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'CA==','38z33l1o',1,0,'',363,0,0),(4034,932,5,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1096311550,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','just testing my avatar.','',0,'CA==','31jalx8s',1,0,'',259,0,0),(4035,932,5,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1096320053,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Name this tractor','Just trying out my avatar. Had this old family picture that I have no idea what it is.','',0,'CA==','1qhza89t',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4036,932,5,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1096380544,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I have had my avatar working for a while, but I like all of you guys\' pics.  On a different note, Chris...do you know why my signature would work sometimes, and then others not?  I cant figure it out.  It is turned on in both places....I dont know what the deal is.\r\n\r\nIan','',0,'CA==','h6igfnt6',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4037,932,5,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1096380718,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Welllll\r\nYou know how when you were a kid, and you were driving the tractor...or the car or truck, and it would do something wrong.  And you would go and tell your dad about it, and when he asked you to show it to him, it would never do it again?\r\n\r\nHAHA...that just happened with this signature thing.\r\n\r\nI ask Chris what the deal is, and it works perfectly....OF COURSE!!!\r\n\r\nIan','',0,'CA==','2tha8ejw',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4038,951,3,465,0,'4.225.89.120',1096381933,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Conspiracy?','I was just beginning to work on a letter to the Magazine concerning the mass of changes to the bylaws. Wanted to express my feelings that such wholesale changes were not good for the club at this time. \r\n  I also feel that the new Article X Sec. D. concerning disciplining members who get out of line is spiteful and totally unnecessary. If the leadership of the club would be more honest and forthright about what is going on, there would be a lot less descent. What type of trial would we have had after the \'03 summer show if this section were in place then? Of course the Board of Directors would have liked that.\r\n Well, I was just getting some things worked out and thought I had better check the cut off date for the next issue. Low and behold the filing date has already gone by.(Sept 20) Darn that burns my backside. I really felt  I needed to get my feelings heard to the whole club. Seemed like I really didn\'t have much time to get a letter together. \r\n  Lo, and behold I check when the changes to the bylaws were posted on the website. (Sept 20) They don\'t want a challenge to the bylaws. I know this, but to delay it that much so no one can debate the issue is pretty damn low. \r\n  The webmaster/editor said days after the show that the changes would be posted.  Three weeks later (Sept 14) in the Misc. section of the forum I asked when we would see them.  The day of the magazine deadline, it\'s a miracle they appear.\r\n  We have [b:nml7naji]YET[/b:nml7naji] to see the bylaws of the HPO Foundation 7 months after giving them $10,000 on the recommendation of the board.  The appointing of our BOD to their BOD is still pretty darn fishy to me.','',0,'QA==','nml7naji',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4039,951,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1096392546,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Reminds me','Kieth I\'m remembering a quote that I\'m not sure who to attribute to, but I think it was FDR or Churchill or one of those famous cats. \"We have met the enemy and we are they\"\r\n\r\nNot trying to be a smart ass, it\'s just what struck me while reading your post.\r\n\r\nI\'m following your concerns, but it also strikes me that less than 10% of the membership is represented here, of that less than 10% are active here, so we have pretty small group that may or may not be influencing club policy.\r\n\r\nMy position is that a raucous foisting of the leadership may be unwarranted without considering the facts which don\'t appear to be available here.\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'QA==','o0xldhms',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4040,935,3,651,0,'12.77.7.58',1096393928,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Magazine ?????','Mail has come in Chesapeake, Va 9/28/2004 and still no magazine.\r\nJimmie <!-- s:twisted: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif\" alt=\":twisted:\" title=\"Twisted Evil\" /><!-- s:twisted: -->','',0,'QA==','bggudslt',1,0,'',651,0,0),(4041,952,3,238,0,'205.188.116.143',1096402964,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Andy, here\'s the way it was at Madison','Hi Andy,\r\nCouldn\'t post on the other thread, so here is how I saw it.\r\nNo, I\'m not dead wrong. I\'m not even dead yet! You were on your hands and knees holding down your papers and reading the proposed changes to the current bylaws. Immeadiatly after you finished, Terry Allen asked for a motion to accept the changes as read. I immediatly objected to that proposal on the grounds that the membership needed more time to absorb the impact of the changes. Also, since the handout had the proposals already incorporated in them, it would be impossible for anyone to distinguish the changes without the current bylaws to compare. Many others at the meeting agreed with my objection, and Terry conceeded. That is when the motion was made to extend the ratification procedure.\r\nA brief discussion between Terry and Chris followed regarding the time needed to get the changes in the magazine.\r\nRegarding the meeting; what you seem to be implying is that the host of the HPOCA National summer show kicked us out of the building without  any notice. If that is the case, I would hope the HPOCA never ever holds another event at their site. One member and his group said they didn\'t hear the PA announcement made about :15 minutes before the meeting. They sat in the building until the cloggers came in. When they didn\'t see any of the club officers dancing, they figured the meeting site had been changed.\r\n$$$$As a business owner, I am very familure with balance sheets. What was passed out to us was a sheet of paper with numbers on it! The HPOCA is not mentioned anywhere on it, therefore it is worthless and the producer cannot be held responsible for it. The zero balance shown for the HPO reinforced my opinion.\r\nYou can try reading it upside down, sideways or hold it to a mirror but the outcome is always the same....the HPOCA lost money in every venue, except for the No. 3 replica, which, as I understand was set up to pay for the massive debt incurred by the club for the restoration. Funny huh?\r\nI understand what you are saying, same as Terry told me, that many members renewed for two years. What is the membership count now?, same as 1 1/2 years ago? I\'d like to know.\r\n                                                               Take care, Larry Coltrin','',0,'QA==','xgtdghde',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4042,951,3,683,0,'65.24.181.188',1096415132,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','agree','there is a very small group running this club. So far the BOD has refused to explain anything to the members, have moved a meeting with little or no notice and then posted bylaws same day cutoff for mag is. STILL do not have any accounting for membership numbers, dollars or anything else.\r\nSO it sure seems time for a total change at the board level and maybe  farther.\r\nRon','',0,'QA==','3dorghuv',1,0,'',683,0,0),(4044,952,3,465,0,'4.131.40.145',1096430357,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Larry,\r\n\r\n   Can you say the [b:12zgatjb]injunction[/b:12zgatjb]. I knew that you could.','',0,'QA==','12zgatjb',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4045,932,5,10611,0,'209.153.156.149',1096460347,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','There have been a few people having trouble at the site for the last few days. It looked like there had been some server troubles where the site is hosted, but they seem to have that straightened out now. Hopefully that will get everybody back to normal.','',0,'QA==','372g15iq',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4046,951,3,10611,0,'209.153.156.149',1096461267,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Keith,\r\n\r\nNobody else pays attention to the deadlines, so why should you. \r\n\r\nWe had been quite busy in early September, but that isn\'t your fault, so go ahead and send it in and we\'ll find room for it. (You\'ll still need to have it to us by Oct 4th, as we are planning on sending the Nov/Dec issue out a little ealier.)\r\n\r\nThere was no conspiracy, just bad timing. And I apologize for that.','',0,'QA==','2pyddwum',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4047,954,5,10611,0,'209.153.156.149',1096461920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Forum troubles','This is to let everybody know that the server that hosts this site was having some server troubles the last few days, and so some of you were having trouble using these forums because of it. I\'m glad to say they got the problem fixed, and so hopefully everybody else\'s will be as well.\r\n\r\nIf you do have any trouble using this forum, either let me know here or email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e --> . Be sure to tell me what you are using for a username if you do email, it will speed things up.\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'QA==','1zxp8hne',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4048,951,3,465,0,'4.225.5.8',1096468691,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Letter','Chris, \r\n\r\nIf you can receive a word attachment via email that will be more than enough time. I had deleted that file but will start on it again this evening. should have it in a couple days. I\'m working some long hours myself.','',0,'QA==','16hltowr',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4049,955,1,387,0,'216.68.49.2',1096477807,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1850 Diesel','How many HP for the 1850 with Perkins engine?\r\n\r\nLooking to upgrade from an 1650.  Would this be a good tractor for less than 100 acres?\r\n\r\nThanks,','',0,'QA==','1hwog7j0',1,0,'',387,0,0),(4051,955,1,459,0,'67.250.226.123',1096479781,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','According to Larry Gay\'s book, the 1850 with the 354 ci Perkins diesel should have 81.76 Drawbar HP and 92.94 PTO HP. Nebraska test 870.\r\n\r\nHope this helps!','',0,'QA==','1nitifzx',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4052,951,3,10611,0,'209.153.174.130',1096489474,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Keith,\r\n\r\nA word file will be great. It saves us a bunch of work.\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'QA==','35ev1bpd',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4053,957,1,632,0,'67.137.95.202',1096557511,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','135gku','Was the 135 waukesha engines ever used in a tractor application.','',0,'QA==','2ux4pqag',1,0,'',632,0,0),(4054,957,1,96,0,'216.201.29.14',1096590602,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','135 Waukesha','No.','',0,'QA==','36q863cr',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4055,958,1,140,0,'216.95.136.223',1096631136,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Trail Plow','A few years back I bought a 3 furrow trail plow. They had done some alterations on the crank that sets the back gauge wheel. Now I would like to restore it to its original condition. Unfortunately I don\'t know what model it is. It is on rubber with a rubber tire gauge wheel There is no hydrulics on it, though I have seen others with a cylinder instead of a lever arm. There are numbers on it, probably part numbers for that particular part. The tag is long gone. I would appreciate any help and if you need more information please advise.\r\n\r\n               Thank You\r\n\r\n                       Richard','',0,'QA==','2mqojube',1,0,'',140,0,0),(4057,960,6,403,0,'66.187.34.111',1096747618,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','DEBATEable interest','With a commitment from only one candidate, no response from another, no posted questions of interest and only 8 positive votes for the poll, it should come as no surprise that this effort has died for lack of interest. My deadline has past.','',0,'QA==','3bto5251',1,1097017177,'',403,1,0),(4058,960,6,12,0,'69.128.201.227',1096748463,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I hope that you are counting me as your commitment. I replied to your PM and hadn\'t heard back. John.','',0,'QA==','3fvvu2u3',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4059,935,3,651,0,'12.77.8.100',1096922851,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Magazine Finally Came','Magazine finally came in mail today 10/04/04 to Chesapeake, Va.\r\nGood magazine overall.\r\nJimmie','',0,'QA==','2151mtmt',1,0,'',651,0,0),(4060,961,1,627,0,'64.12.116.143',1096938472,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','line bore','Well this time the 1650 gas motor out of the frame again, And guess what the new pressure plate is cracked and the clutch plate has rubed on the bolts that hold the flywheel on because the pressure plate was turned a little to much. O\'well we can fix that to now. My question is has anyone got any good or bad news on long bore for the mains. \r\nThanks Ralph 550','',0,'QA==','1cmbio19',1,0,'',627,0,0),(4061,961,1,96,0,'216.201.29.192',1096944276,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Line bore','Have you though about line honing the block. Cheaper and quicker and you do all at one time. How much did they take off the flywheel? You did put the disk in with the hub to the back/ Did you go to a button clutch?','',0,'QA==','25dqpyr9',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4062,962,3,163,0,'207.177.76.166',1097196987,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','No new posts','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> Guys we haven\'t heard much out of the HPOCA Administration and now that the format has changed we haven\'t heard anything out of the Renegades.  We have to find a common bond to figure out what\'s best for this club and the preservation of what we like to do, which is: restore and maintain Oliver farm equipment.  \r\n  Let\'s find a common ground so it works for all factions,  which is the HPOCA members.\r\nDuane Brandt','',0,'QA==','33561spb',1,0,'',163,0,0),(4063,963,3,40,0,'205.188.116.143',1097238572,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Letter from the President','Got a letter in the mail the other day and it had the HPOCA logo on it.  Boy was I excited when I opened it up and it was addressed to \"William\" and I saw it was signed by Terry Allen.  I am thinking I must be pretty important to the club since no one else has been able to receive any sort of communication from our president.  Well, you can imagine my disappointment when I found out it was just a form letter advising that my membership expires in the near future and I should consider sending in my dues.\r\n\r\nOkay, maybe the first 3 of the above sentences are sort of tongue in cheek.  However, I do have a question about the wording of the letter.  To my way of thinking it makes it appear that getting the magazine is the main reason to send in you dues.  Being a member of the club comes off as being secondary to subscribing to the magazine.  Well, as a matter of fact I did not think I was subscribing to the magazine (I \"subscribe\" to Successful Farming) I thought I was paying to be a member of the HPOCA and receiving the magazine is just one of the benefits.  \r\n\r\nMaybe the powers that be should consider revising the letter if as stated in the first paragraph of the letter they really believe there is more to being a member than the magazine.  In particular I would delete the word subscription  from the letter and change the last sentence,  quote \"Thanks for subscribing and being a Part of the HPOCA.\" end quote. I would suggest that the sentence be change to read: \"Thanks for continuing to be a member of the HPOCA and allowing us to provide The Hart-Parr/Oliver Collector magazine for your enjoyments.\"\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'QA==','1bxyjvph',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4064,963,3,12,0,'69.128.205.238',1097240188,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Bill,\r\n\r\nWhen I pay \"dues\" to be a member of the organization I think about my money going to the overall operation and not just for a magazine. Maybe that is the mentality that has developed, that the members are actually just subscribers. \r\n\r\nWhen I joined the HPOCA, I believed my dues were going to further the cause of preserving the history of Hart Parr/ Oliver tractors and farm equipment. The magazine was about information and a way of communicating the goings ons with the membership. The magazine has evolved from that into a first rate publication.\r\n\r\nIt has been discussed that the cost for our current \"subscription\" company could be reduced by hiring someone to operate a data base on the membership and handle membership renewals. Something to think about! \r\n\r\nEnough for now, John.','',0,'QA==','j1r77til',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4067,962,3,88,0,'4.155.123.85',1097263610,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The administration refuses to respond to questions raised by the members. The so called \"renegades\" are condemmed for commenting on the situation. From what I hear, the new bylaws seem to have some provision that anyone who speaks up might lose their membership. \r\n\r\nSo, with all that in mind,,,,it seems that most members feel it\'s not worth \r\ndiscussing things on this forum. \r\n\r\n\r\nMaybe with new leadership things may return to where they should be.\r\n\r\nAt least that\'s how I see it.......','',0,'QA==','1o2zcoi2',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4068,963,3,47,0,'12.65.162.218',1097294075,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Bill,\r\nI have not had that experience first hand yet. Several years ago, I subscribed to Antique Power, they started using the folks we use now. Those folks started early hounding me to pay up, I never did, I hate being hounded. I was not in favor of HPOCA using this service, it could be handled better to meet the needs of our members. Your point is valid, it is dues, not a subscription, the magazine is only a benefit of membership. I have had to bring up this same point from time to time over the last ten years or so. I guess it will never go away! Those folk in Texas that take care of this don\'t seem to understand. I liked it better when Mary Ann was taking care of it!!!\r\nTake Care!!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','1y95yowj',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4070,951,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.147',1097295292,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I am writing this to let everybody know that we will not be printing any letters to the editor concerning the HPOCA election in the November/December issue.\r\n\r\nThere have been too many complaints that this would be interfering with the election process, so the best way to avoid it is to not print any at all.\r\n\r\nI truly apologize for this inconvenience.','',0,'QA==','3cz3ospn',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4072,951,3,12,0,'69.128.205.238',1097324735,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','That is... Both Disappointing and Troubling!\r\n\r\nJohn Hume/Wrenchbender','',0,'QA==','1c4iojth',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4073,951,3,683,0,'65.24.181.188',1097339111,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','','just one more way the board has failed this club and will do whatever to stay in control\r\nRon','',0,'QA==','sselmw00',1,0,'',683,0,0),(4074,951,3,465,0,'4.225.94.147',1097358140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Andy\'s whining','The reason is Andy has complained to Chris that I am interfearing with the bylaw election. I have been threatened with expultion by the bylaw committee chairman in a post elsewhere in this forum. Who is interfearing. Just by publishing the changes he  indorses them, being the chairman of the committee.\r\n  Now after I  written a letter  [b:1h02h8ba]against[/b:1h02h8ba] changing the bylaws at this time, Chris can\'t publish it because it hurts Andy\'s feelings as the Bylaw committee chairman.','',0,'QA==','1h02h8ba',1,0,'',465,0,0);
INSERT INTO `phpbb_posts` VALUES (4075,969,3,465,0,'4.225.94.147',1097364466,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Conspiracy 2','Well I just got a letter Chris saying he can\'t publish my letter after all. Seems Andy is up to his old tricks.  I spent several hours of my time on this ANDY. Don\'t think I will forget it.   Chris had told me the last paragraph would be edited because it beat a dead horse about the board. \r\n  HERE IS THE LETTER:\r\n\r\n  Chris &amp; HPOCA Members,\r\n  \r\n  There is great consern among more than a few members about several changes to our club\'s bylaws. Of these, the one that is most troubling is proposed ArticleX sectionD., Discipline Procedure.\r\n\r\n  If the bylaws are amended as proposed, any member who runs afoul of the board could be thrown out of the organization. It alarms me that a small percentage of the membership could be in jeopardy of losing their membership for publicly disagreeing with the board and their actions. This procedure was to be followed in accordance with Robert\'s Rules of Order.\r\n\r\n  In the rules, the prosecutors also get to act as jurors and the cards are stacked against the accused from the start. There are no rules on disclosure. Once charged they can investigate the background of the accused. A private investigator can even be hired. Charges can be added during the trial as long as the accused is given a chance to rebut them. If the accused cannot attend at a time and place of the Board\'s choice, the accused is automatically considered guilty and can be fined, suspended, or expelled without refunding their membership fee. (ArticleII Sec. D)\r\n \r\n What type of expulsions would have taken place last summer if this change was in place then? Without mentioning names , some could think of three, possibly more. One of these was a big reason I joined HPOCA. The Bylaws Committee Chairman on the forum of the club\'s web page has vaguely threatened me with expulsion.\r\n\r\n  Please consider that at the Summer Show when these matters were up for a vote, the bylaws committee had copies of the new bylaws but not the current ones. Members could not compare the changes. No copies of Robert\'s Rules were available to explain the trial procedure either.\r\n\r\n  I am one of the many, including some of our directors, who could not attend the Summer Show. I tried but could not justify or afford to take off work to drive nearly 1,000 miles each way to attend. If Charged at that time, I could not have defended myself. Could this procedure be used against a sitting Board member? If this change comes into affect, does it supercede other bylaws on removing an officer?\r\n\r\n As our bylaws now stand, we will be asked to vote yes or no on the changes as a whole. There are approximately 20 changes according to the bylaw committee chairman\'s summary. Some are minor. some I admit are needed in the future. Unfortunately the change that is really needed does not exist. Each change also needs a membership vote.  the changes should stand independently. I that way, no bylaw is changed without the voting members at least reading that change. Changes should be accompanied by the current bylaw for comparison. That way, nothing like Article X Section D. could be included unnoticed.\r\n\r\n  Regarding bylaws, some of us are concerned about the Bylaws of the HPO Foundation. At the Winter Get Together, we were passed hand written copies of proposed bylaws of the foundation. at that time, we were asked to vote on giving the foundation $10,000. Most of the members I talked to that day were of the understanding that there would be an election for HPO board of directors. At no time were we told that the members would be appointed. We had discussions in the hall that day as to who would be good candidates. aAfter six months of several members asking, we have yet to see a copy of their bylaws.\r\n\r\n Our president has said on occasion that he would answer our questions conserning the club. Members have questioned him on the club\'s website forum. the membership learned that our president no longer has the time to respond to our concerns. One member emailed the president and the president\'s reply indicated that he would be willing to use email to respond to any of them.  When presented with a list of questions, he failed to respond to any of them. There were no further comments from the president via email. Because our legitimate questions remain ignored, some of us responded publicly on the web page.  We began to be labeled RENEGADES by some board members.  We have taken up this name with pride. If membership approves the bylaws as they stand, I can only ask one thing of them.    \r\n[b:673g1oi3]LET ME BE THE FIRST TO BE CAST OUT[/b:673g1oi3]','',0,'QA==','673g1oi3',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4076,970,3,465,0,'4.225.94.147',1097364501,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Conspiracy 2','Well I just got a letter Chris saying he can\'t publish my letter after all. Seems Andy is up to his old tricks.  I spent several hours of my time on this ANDY. Don\'t think I will forget it.   Chris had told me the last paragraph would be edited because it beat a dead horse about the board. \r\n  HERE IS THE LETTER:\r\n\r\n  Chris &amp; HPOCA Members,\r\n  \r\n  There is great consern among more than a few members about several changes to our club\'s bylaws. Of these, the one that is most troubling is proposed ArticleX sectionD., Discipline Procedure.\r\n\r\n  If the bylaws are amended as proposed, any member who runs afoul of the board could be thrown out of the organization. It alarms me that a small percentage of the membership could be in jeopardy of losing their membership for publicly disagreeing with the board and their actions. This procedure was to be followed in accordance with Robert\'s Rules of Order.\r\n\r\n  In the rules, the prosecutors also get to act as jurors and the cards are stacked against the accused from the start. There are no rules on disclosure. Once charged they can investigate the background of the accused. A private investigator can even be hired. Charges can be added during the trial as long as the accused is given a chance to rebut them. If the accused cannot attend at a time and place of the Board\'s choice, the accused is automatically considered guilty and can be fined, suspended, or expelled without refunding their membership fee. (ArticleII Sec. D)\r\n \r\n What type of expulsions would have taken place last summer if this change was in place then? Without mentioning names , some could think of three, possibly more. One of these was a big reason I joined HPOCA. The Bylaws Committee Chairman on the forum of the club\'s web page has vaguely threatened me with expulsion.\r\n\r\n  Please consider that at the Summer Show when these matters were up for a vote, the bylaws committee had copies of the new bylaws but not the current ones. Members could not compare the changes. No copies of Robert\'s Rules were available to explain the trial procedure either.\r\n\r\n  I am one of the many, including some of our directors, who could not attend the Summer Show. I tried but could not justify or afford to take off work to drive nearly 1,000 miles each way to attend. If Charged at that time, I could not have defended myself. Could this procedure be used against a sitting Board member? If this change comes into affect, does it supercede other bylaws on removing an officer?\r\n\r\n As our bylaws now stand, we will be asked to vote yes or no on the changes as a whole. There are approximately 20 changes according to the bylaw committee chairman\'s summary. Some are minor. some I admit are needed in the future. Unfortunately the change that is really needed does not exist. Each change also needs a membership vote.  the changes should stand independently. I that way, no bylaw is changed without the voting members at least reading that change. Changes should be accompanied by the current bylaw for comparison. That way, nothing like Article X Section D. could be included unnoticed.\r\n\r\n  Regarding bylaws, some of us are concerned about the Bylaws of the HPO Foundation. At the Winter Get Together, we were passed hand written copies of proposed bylaws of the foundation. at that time, we were asked to vote on giving the foundation $10,000. Most of the members I talked to that day were of the understanding that there would be an election for HPO board of directors. At no time were we told that the members would be appointed. We had discussions in the hall that day as to who would be good candidates. aAfter six months of several members asking, we have yet to see a copy of their bylaws.\r\n\r\n Our president has said on occasion that he would answer our questions conserning the club. Members have questioned him on the club\'s website forum. the membership learned that our president no longer has the time to respond to our concerns. One member emailed the president and the president\'s reply indicated that he would be willing to use email to respond to any of them.  When presented with a list of questions, he failed to respond to any of them. There were no further comments from the president via email. Because our legitimate questions remain ignored, some of us responded publicly on the web page.  We began to be labeled RENEGADES by some board members.  We have taken up this name with pride. If membership approves the bylaws as they stand, I can only ask one thing of them.    \r\n[b:20y9aqg0]LET ME BE THE FIRST TO BE CAST OUT[/b:20y9aqg0]','',0,'QA==','20y9aqg0',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4077,970,3,12,0,'69.128.205.238',1097376379,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Thank You Keith!','First I want to say thank you Keith for bringing out the possibilities of Article X section d. \r\n\r\nInclusion of this type of letter might cause members to more closely examine the proposed changes. If no one raises a question, members would likely accept things as they are.\r\n\r\nKeith and I had an exchange of thoughts on the by-laws changes and I stated that I didn\'t see a problem with the disciplinary procedure. His view brings to light how easily it could be used against anyone that might speak out and voice opposition to the \"powers that be\".','',0,'QA==','362ccpew',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4078,971,5,614,0,'205.188.116.143',1097385051,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','sight problems','I am  experiancing some difficulty  in  posting  so  I am trying in here.','',0,'QA==','a0b7emtl',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4079,972,3,110,0,'205.188.116.143',1097385345,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Chris','Chris i was wondering if you could maybe be more specific on how a letter or maybe two in the magazine would be construed as  interference  to the election process. As far as i can see, all it would do is make the readership become more aware of the issues, take a stance either pro or con against the author(s) of such letters and maybe, just maybe become more involved and vote one way or the other on these issues(by-laws). \r\nBy refusing at the last moment to edit letters from membership challenging or questioning if you will, or maybe even agreeing with these PROPOSALS, is just another version of this hush hush theme the BOD promotes and is just another block cemented into the ever increasing wall of tension dividing this club. Why in the world cant things just be aired out in the open and than let the cards fall as they will??  Thanks  and have a great day  Bob','',0,'QA==','3h4bg5f6',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4080,973,3,614,0,'205.188.116.143',1097386720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','LISTEN UP FOLKS!','some of us have   have  noticed that we can not   post replies  to topics.\r\nI bet you have too.\r\nWhat we have discovered is that  your  SUBMIT   always triggers  PREVIEW!\r\n\r\nso  you have to  POST  NEW  TOPICS  \r\n\r\nWhat we need to do is  just  post topics but in the  subject line  indcate what topic and put a number after it...','',0,'QA==','1ghngoxb',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4081,974,3,89,0,'209.150.244.157',1097417622,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Fair well HPOCA','I am Roger  A. Karn, HPOCA member no. 2139 and as you can see from my membership number I have been a member for several years, but not much longer.  I have watched this dilemma unfold for about a year now and I am not happy with the results. \r\n\r\nI don\'t know what caused the dismissal of Sherry and have not been able to find out much info even though I have been a member in good standing.  It has been written that the officers of the club could not divulge the reason for the dismissal as doing so to the general public could put the officers vulnerable for a law suit.  Well, I am not the general public but a member which makes me a part OWNER of the club and as such feel that I, and all other members (owners), have a right to know exactly what is going on.  I do know in the past the magazine did not arrive on time and in one instance that I remember no magazine at all came but instead a membership roster.  This may or may not have been Sherry\"s fault, I don\'t know.  In any event I feel I should know the facts!  I have in the mean time subscribed to Sherry\'s magazine right from the first issue and I enjoy it very much.\r\n\r\nAll this is very disturbing but what bothers me the most is the fact that the people making up the governing body of this club will not answer any questions that have been posted on this site.  Have I asked any questions?  NO!  Why should I as the powers to be will not answer the ones that have already been presented.  Perhaps none of these people have a computer and if that is indeed the case some one should inform them of the questions and then enter their replies for them or at least put it in the magazine.  When the governing body feels that they can ignore the membership then it is definitely is an organization that I no longer care to support or belong to.\r\n\r\nAlso, from what I have seen of the proposed changes to the bylaws, I am once again very disappointed in the operation of this Club.  It looks like another bit of total control by the few and power hungry that feel they know all of what is good for the club and themselves.  Kind of reminds you of some former leaders of certain countries that you read about in the history books.\r\n\r\nPerhaps the officers of this club feel that the people that are asking these questions are \"renegades\" or some other undesirable faction, but if they are members \"in good standing\" (paid up members) they certainly have a right to ask questions and certainly are entitled to straight forward, honest and accurate answers.  Since none of this has happened I will let my membership renewal, that is coming up soon, expire and  will not participate in the club.  I will keep my Oliver tractors and equipment but I will not attend any more HPOCA functions or have anything to do with the HPOCA. \r\n\r\nFAIR WELL HPOCA!!!!!!!!!   Roger Cortland, NY','',0,'QA==','1eypfp48',1,0,'',89,0,0),(4082,972,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1097432026,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','In a dictatorship there\'s to be no opposition to any changes. Besides, can you imagine if all the members realized how important it is to vote in this election and all the members did vote against the new by laws....Bob,  God only knows how many blank ballots will need to be printed up in order to get the new by-laws to pass.\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor   #747 <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'QA==','3kokppvp',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4083,972,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.172',1097458175,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Bob,\r\n\r\nAccording to Andy, by printing a letter that discusses the by-laws changes is interfering with the work of the by-laws committee by opening up for discussion a matter that has been closed by the membership at the summer show meeting. \r\n\r\nI do NOT agree with his logic. By the above definition, his committee has done its work, so it is done. Therefore, how can it interfere with the work of the committee that no longer exists, and should not have a bias as to whether the by-laws pass or not.\r\n\r\nWe were not, and will not take \"sides\" on any election issue. But if a member wants to tell why they think the new by-laws would be good or bad by writing a letter to the editor, I don\'t see why it shouldn\'t go in. But we decided that if we print those letters, Andy will cry foul at the next board meeting, and get the election thrown out anyways. We don\'t want that hanging over our heads.\r\n\r\nThis has all been Andy\'s doing, not the BOD\'s. He has also decided that the web site is doing nothing to further the HPOCA, and has now made it his mission to have the whole thing shut down.\r\n\r\n\r\nDanny,\r\n\r\nI can assure you that us and Driveline are making sure that ALL ballots will be accounted for to the best of our abilities.','',0,'QA==','3j44q2ux',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4084,971,5,10611,0,'209.153.160.172',1097458643,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','spammers....','I had installed a new feature on the forums to prevent spammers from posting to the boards. Unfortunately, it looks like it was stopping some members as well.\r\n\r\nI have removed that feature, and hopefully it should fix the problem. If anybody does experience problems posting, please let me know at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e --> so I can fix it ASAP.','',0,'QA==','2p4yrtgj',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4085,973,3,614,0,'64.12.116.75',1097460560,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Chris has been working on the problem...  and  we will see what happens now.','',0,'QA==','1100isl7',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4086,973,3,614,0,'64.12.116.19',1097460611,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','It  LOOKS  LIKE  WE  HAVE A  WINNER!     \r\n\r\nthank YOu  Chris.!','',0,'QA==','1no680va',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4087,972,3,110,0,'152.163.100.136',1097461131,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Chris','Thanks for the reply Chris, i certainly apprecaite it.  As far as what Andy thinks, i think that lodgic is absolute rubbish. Andy did his job, as he seen fit, but by absolutely no stretch of the imagination is the discussion of how well he did his job closed. Wont be until the members voice thier pleasure or displeasure with a casted vote. As one of many concerned members, its now open to me and anybody else who cares to take the time to get the word out to as many members as possible and give them the facts or comparisions if you will of the PROPOSED changes. This would include indepth discriptions of ALL changes with copies of the original by law for comparision. Sounds to me like Andy is a little nervous about comin up short on this and hoping that little or no votes will spell success for his efforts. Since when did Andy start callin all the shots around here anyways. Wasnt all that long ago that he posted on here saying that membership involvement was crucial for club success.  That would be just great wouldnt it Chris, all this turmoil because we have reached a new age of communications and club involvement via internet, the powers that be struggle with the opposition and than they(Andy in this case) quick want to shut down the site so they can quietly do as they please. That would be like replacing the nails in the coffin with torque screws, i would think. Anyways thanks for the reply  Bob Cook #2057','',0,'QA==','15e2ofky',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4088,972,3,614,0,'64.12.116.143',1097462099,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','you know  I  believe that  all  letters to the editor need to be printed  unless they are not on a related subject   am I  wrong???????\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nI know I a reb---- my ancesters were butternuts--( civil war reference in Indiana)\r\n\r\nbut I wouldnt care what  one  member says about  not posting a letter!','',0,'QA==','2fwmoajl',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4089,972,3,238,0,'205.188.116.75',1097466353,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think the issues being discussed are a slap in the face for the two other canidates in the upcoming election, and believe that Keiths letter is no more than an open expression of His opinion.\r\nAt the Madison show, there was to be a profile of all 3 canidates, along with their mission for the club. Is that still going to happen, or has that been ruled out also? And speaking of Madison, there was NO action taken regarding the bylaw changes other than to delay any vote, giving the membership time to absorb the full meaning of the proposed changes. I really don\'t know what Andy is talking about. You were there Chris, did I miss something?\r\nI strongly urge John Hume and Dean Smith to demand that \"freedom of the press\" in the HPOCA magazine remains available to all members. Failure to print this letter will only leave the general membership \"out\" of the loop and that would be extremly detremental to the over all well being of the club.                                            Larry Coltrin:(','',0,'QA==','1dpz2tg8',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4090,972,3,110,0,'152.163.100.14',1097466716,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Chris','If Andy can actually do that and cry \"FOUL\", because we, the voting membership were allowed to discuss the merits of his proposed by laws in our main tool of communication( the magazine), why cant we, as voting members also cry foul, as we were not allowed to actually discuss or judge the proposals before actually voting on them. After all, thats all they are is PROPOSALS, which in my opinion are something that is to be debated openly amoung membership right up till the time we have to say yes or no. He sounds like he feels they are already the law, cripted in stone and closed to any further inspection.  Thanks again  Bob','',0,'QA==','2lxc5b14',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4093,972,3,465,0,'4.225.90.38',1097594932,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Letter?','Chris &amp; HPOCA Members\r\n\r\n  Since when is Andy chief cook and bottle washer of HPOCA. His position is chairman of a committee. He is not a sitting board member. How can he  get the election overturned. I know. why don\'t I find a member or two over in Ill. I\'ll put $500 in a fund for an attorney. Anybody else game.We  will just stop the election on the bylaws. I think with all that has gone on we might find a judge to stop it.\r\n  hey I put up $200 for Sherry. I\'ll put up $500 more to put a jerk in his place.\r\n\r\n  Just got to thinking guys. Say a good friend of yours gets banished from HPOCA. Say you &amp; he belong to the Oliver Gang. Hey according to the Bylaws he\'s banished from that club also. See this wasn\'t thought through very well. Its a rash action brought about because all the bylaws have to be voted on with one vote.\r\n\r\n  Chris, I don\'t know how much that job pays, but does it pay enough that you will be able to look in the mirror?  Let Andy rebut my letter. He can\'t or he would have already right here.\r\n  Your becoming a good editor. You could do it elsewhere if you had to. Now is your chance to become a great one. We will stand behind you.','',0,'QA==','gtbgtpda',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4094,58,1,676,0,'199.42.80.225',1097602802,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hooked','On my parents farm ran with a Massey 44, LA Case and a MM 5-Star throughout the 60\'s and 70\'s.  Our neighbors had these nice quiet Olivers, 70 std, 88 std, Super 88 with home made FEL (better than most factory units) and and old 99 running the chaff blower.  I spent many hours running \"OLI\" (the 70) pulling self unloading feed wagons from the fields for them.  BTW New Holland got the idea from these people who had them working for years before a NH mechanic came to repair a baler and saw them working the other field.  Running Oli I learned many things, you can pull a 8\'x9\'x30\' wagon full of dry chop feed out of the fields with a 70, getting all the way to 6th gear without ever touching the clutch <!-- s;-) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\";-)\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s;-) --> <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->  but you had better plan your stop as it can get a bit hairy if you touch only one wheel brake!!!  \r\nSince then my dad has picked up a Super 55 (1955) which is still looking for a grill and top cover.  I am trying hard to corner the neighbors 70 and a Hart Par / Cockshut 90 (so the rad says) that he has too.  As well as one of his RC Case tractors in great shape.   He is getting older now so he may be more willing to part with his beloved tractors.','',0,'QA==','22y57y2n',1,0,'',676,0,0),(4095,972,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1097612098,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Its seems funny to me how wishy washy Andy is.  Where does he stand?  Does anybody remember his long winded spats on how important our freedom of speach is to him.   \r\n\r\nComing from a God fearing, freedom loving, right wing, conservative American family. I do appreciate the sacrifices men like my father and Andy have made to protect my rights and freedoms and the sacrifices made to bring the freedoms we enjoy to other countries.\r\n\r\n But now it seems Andy wishes to take away the one right that is most important to him. One right that he and others fought to bring to oppressed people and to keep in our own country. \r\n\r\nAndy here is a post you have written in the past.        \r\n\r\n[quote:2ejt6e1d]Andy\nOliver Graduate\n\n\nJoined: 25 Oct 2002\nPosts: 414\n\nPostPosted: 19 Jan 2004 00:32    Post subject: Reply with quote\nGee Y\'all,\nI\'ve been working the last week and missed out on a lot! From what I see, I have a strong comment. Several good friends and comrades of mine died, even more were wounded both physically as well as mentally. They made this sacrifice willingly, to protect and defend the ability of oppressed people to speak and write freely, among other things. Some of these same people didn\'t agree with these freedoms, but were defended just the same. I don\'t care if someone disagrees with me or anyone else, what I do care about very strongly is that anyone may express their opinion. This should always be defended, without regard to cost!!!\n[/quote:2ejt6e1d]\r\n\r\nAndy, Where do you stand?    Are you trying to take away members ability to aire their opinions?  Where do you stand?\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'gA==','2ejt6e1d',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4096,58,1,238,0,'152.163.100.13',1097621968,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I was born in 1942 about 20 miles west of Chicago. It was all country then. We only had 7 acres with 2 cows and some hogs. My Dad had a few tractors, but the ones I learned to drive were a Farmall F-20 and a JD A.\r\nAll the neighbor farms used Oliver 70\'s. As a kid, those 70\'s looked like race cars to me with their tilted steering wheels, full dashboards, sleek styling and neat sounding motors. I can\'t tell how many times, when we were visiting a neighbor, that I got plucked off one of their Oliver 70\'s.\r\nIn the early 70\'s, I got the bug and rented a little over 200 acres. Bought and overhauled a \'53 77, then a 1950T and the next year an 880 diesel. Quit in the late 70\'s and auctioned it all off. \r\nGot into flying in the late 60\'s, got hooked on flying aerobatics and bought a homebuilt Pitts Special in 1971. Flew that for about 8 years and built a \"souped up\" Pitts Special that I eventually won the Illinois State unlimited aerobatic championship in \'93 &amp; \'94. But, as I got longer in tooth, my health made me quit flying aerobatics and airplanes.     Soooooo,\r\n\r\nAbout 5 years ago I got the bug AGAIN. I\'ve got almost all the 70 line-HP 70\'s, styled 70\'s 77\'s and 770\'s. Plus a \'45 80, White 4-180 and a HG crawler. 18 to date.....and more to come!              Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','1buqo4w4',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4097,58,1,674,0,'66.90.218.67',1097623985,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','fond memories of olivers','i grew up on a farm just north of dallas--we farmed it for a few years,but my dad wasn\'t a farmer--he was a banker---we had a farmall c &amp; later an m--our farm backed up to an oliver dealership--they also had a grain elevator and a corn sheller--my best friend &amp; i used to ride our horses over there &amp; play in the shuck piles, visit the mechanic, and look at the oliver tractors--i can remember when they got their 1st super 55--it was the \"purtiest little tractor\" i had ever seen and i told myself that i would have one oneday---sure enough, a few years ago, i bought one at an auction that was supposed to have been restored, but it was a poor job--i later sold it &amp; bought another one to restore and since have bought 8 or 10 more super 55\'s &amp; 550\'s mostly for parts---one day i hope to have a good restored super 55 and take it to a show up north and maybe to a tractor drive up there---i too like the sweet sound of the oliver 6 cylinder engine\r\n\r\nkent gordon','',0,'gA==','1w2vdlkg',1,0,'',674,0,0),(4098,972,3,40,0,'152.163.97.44',1097627850,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nAs you know one of the letters not being printed is the one I sent to you expressing concern about the by-laws and stating I would not vote for their acceptance.\r\n\r\nNow my question to you is, \"Do you think Andy or anyone else would have objected if the letters you received had wholeheartedly endorsed the new by-laws and encouraged the membership to vote for them?\"\r\n\r\nI am not trying to put words in your mouth, but I don\'t think anyone would have objected to that kind of interfering with the work of the by-laws committee.  \r\n\r\nI think positions for or against the by-laws should have been printed in the magazine.  They were handed out at the summer meeting, they were posted on the web; therefore, it is logical that opinions would be expressed before the magazine was printed.  If you could have included any opinions you received I think they should have been included.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','1jys9ord',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4099,963,3,40,0,'152.163.100.136',1097628089,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy:\r\n\r\nI don\'t blame anyone in Texas.  Mr Allen signed the letter.  He could have had it changed if he wanted.  I did that many times when working for the Department of Defense.  After he signed it it was his letter and he is responsible for what it says.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','jel2w3xk',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4100,972,3,110,0,'152.163.100.136',1097644477,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Your absolutley right Bill','I really cant understand how you can call debating a proposal as interference. A proposal is nothing more than a \"Plan\", in this situation set forth by a by-laws committee. After the committee finsihed its job, the first thing they did was request to have the by-law forum LOCKED. I really dont even know why they had that forum in the first place, because everybody who participated had to sit back and have their ideas shot down almost instantly for this reason or that. \r\nThere was a lot of great ideas and im not sure, but i dont think even one of them was incorporated.                                                                  What they should of done was begin to prepare a flyer to go out with the next magazine identifing all the changes and new proposals to the members so they could have time to digest them and decide how they wanted to vote. Anything less is just plain cheating the members of an educated vote. If these rules and by-laws were genuinely meant to better the club and benefit the members, as they are suppose to, that procedure would be a gimme.                                                                              Now Andy tells me yesterday in a PM it aint fair to discuss the changes because it wouldnt be fair to members who dont have computers and havent been following it for the past few months.                                   Well im sorry they invented the computer Andy, now you can only snowball 5900 of the members instead of the 6000 or so.  Interference is the perfect word for this situation Andy, you just didnt apply it properly.  Thanks Bob Cook','',0,'gA==','2874ulq6',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4101,974,3,465,0,'4.225.93.107',1097674336,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Roger, \r\n Hang in there until after the election. If the bylaws pass, I\'ll be on your heels.','',0,'gA==','3r3i4ouu',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4102,977,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1097769930,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','renewal notice','ARTICLE II\r\n\r\nMEMBERSHIP AND DUES\r\nH.      Dues shall be non-refundable.\r\n________________________________________________\r\n      My goodness how time fly\'s. Already I have gotten my HPOCA letter from Terry Allen telling me how sorry he is for not being able to send me anymore magazines.   \r\n \r\nMr. Allen must know abscent minded me very well because in the next paragragh he politely accuses me of misplacing or accidently throwing away previous notices but not to worry Mr. Allen and his bunch will gladly reinstate my membership to an active status, just as soon as the get my MONEY$$$\r\n\r\nMr. Allen, my membership is good till Mar/Apr 05. I haven\'t thrown away or misplaced any prior notices, as this was my first.  I hear your warning about not delaying but I believe I will for a few months. I\'d like to make certain there is a HPOCA to \"subscribe\" be a member of.\r\n\r\nMr. Allen if you can no longer send me Hart-Parr/Oliver Collector magazine, I\'m sorry too. As I have started to enjoy Chris Losey\'s magazine with every issue he improves and each issue is slowly gaining Chris\'s personality. Although it still lacks HPOCA (the Oliver club)\'s personality.   HPOCA is still a tractor club? right?\r\n\r\nMr. Allen you maybe wondering why I put....... ARTICLE II\r\n\r\nMEMBERSHIP AND DUES\r\nH.      Dues shall be non-refundable.....as a heading for this post\r\n Well the answer is simple, on the right hand side of the renewal notice it says.....\r\n                \" Money-Back\r\n                  Guarantee\r\n                 You may cancel your subscription at any time\r\n                  and receive a refund for the undelivered portion\"\r\n\r\nMr. Allen doesn\'t this go directly against HPOCA\'s current by-laws? Isn\'t this false advertising?   Mr. Allen because your name is signed to this renewal notice I can safely assume you are responsible for its content....false advertising and all!!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor\r\nHPOCA member #747...until Mar/Apr 05 anyway.','',0,'gA==','1gecdrb6',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4103,978,1,484,0,'68.115.175.132',1097857945,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','super 55 at auction','Just wondering what you think the super 55\'s at the Dave Woodard auction might go for in November <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: -->','',0,'gA==','1ktpo1hq',1,0,'',484,0,0),(4104,979,1,611,0,'198.212.223.35',1097880522,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Don\'t hear much about those 1755\'s?','I worked on a farm that had 5 1755\'s. I loved those tractors and hope to get one of my own. I am always on the lookout but hardly ever see them for sale. I guessed that they were so popular that no one wanted to part with theirs. But now I wonder if that is not the case because not much is said about them here or elsewhere. I\'ve done most of my seat time in a 1755 and it seems to have the perfect combination of power and comfort. With a big flat deck and lots of leg room, power steering better than most cars and controls right where you want them.  Am I alone in thinking this? Does anyone else think so?','',0,'gA==','ar9l27qy',1,0,'',611,0,0),(4105,977,3,614,0,'205.188.116.68',1097897102,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','am wandeing if  Mr Allen is running for some kinda  office....   seems like  a regular politician..  False adds and all  lol  !\r\n\r\n\r\noh   use to you could be  fined for  false adds in this country..  shame they dont enforce that law anymore aint it.\r\n\r\n\r\noh not for this case.. ok.. \r\n <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'gA==','3fz1onvg',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4106,977,3,47,0,'12.65.30.32',1097976130,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','I agree!','Hey Danny,\r\nI can\'t agree with you more. I don\'t like our membership service, I haven\'t since Antique Power started using them several years ago. They start hounding early, and keep hounding. I liked it when Mary Ann Townsend took care of it! She was our Charles City secretary, and did a fine job. McMillian is a subscription service, and in my opinion too aggressive. Of course, when they were contracted, my opinion didn\'t mean squat!!!! They can\'t seem to get it thru their thick heads that we collect Oliver tractors, durned magazine sellers anyhow!!!\r\n\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','2qnrdafn',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4107,978,1,627,0,'152.163.100.65',1097980465,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','super 55','Around here (Missouri) a Super 55 or 550 brings anywhere from $3000.00 to $4500.00 if they sound good and look fair.','',0,'gA==','2hw6j08f',1,0,'',627,0,0),(4108,977,3,47,0,'12.65.48.248',1097984313,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Danny,\r\nOne small thing I forgot to mention. When Mary Ann resigned, there was a very short time frame to get someone else. It was Sherry who wanted McMillian, as that was who her friend Pat Ertel used. If the board had explored sufficient options to find another service, perhap we would not be able to renew our dues. I feel from my conversations with Mary Ann that she would have continued until we found someone else, but not indefinately. After the Sacramento WGT, it was fairly obvious to her that her days were numbered, even though she was doing a wonderful job, and getting paid chicken feed, so, she simply took on a bigger job at the Floyd County Museum, which reduced the time available for HPOCA, and eliminated the possibility of her getting the carpet pulled out from under her.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','2ausb24s',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4109,977,3,110,0,'152.163.100.136',1097987398,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey guys!!!','Arguing about who wanted who and who left why in the past is getting us nowhere. Andy, if ya would please, maybe you can tell us all WHY you requested the by-law forum locked so far off from the election. Also, why were non of the sugestions even remotely considered for incorporation with your new proposals. Seems to me the only really big change you proposed is to bring in rules to rid yourself of all those who offered and were turned down viable suggestions for new club structure. (That was, you know, when everybody started getting on your case)               And most importanly of all, at completion of your proposals and once you had locked the internet users out of the forum, why didnt you and your committee make it an imperitive mission to have ALL these changes along with comparisions to the orginal laws circulated to EVER VOTING MEMBER.                                                                                              It really wouldnt have been all that difficult to make a flier and attach it to the centre of the spring magazine. You speak of equal opportunity for ALL members, i think this would be the only really fair way to educate everybody on these issues and make it a fair vote all around. I dont think your displanary rule would even be needed if things were done above board instead of this rush rush hush hush system presently in use.      Hurry and make them law if you can, bounce the discontents out, aint gonna change a darn thing, the hole will just continue to deepen!!!!!         Have a great day!!!!!  Bob','',0,'gA==','2yn4ca2r',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4110,977,3,47,0,'12.65.192.118',1098015783,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Bob,\r\nI intend to explain a few things soon, right now I am drinking coffee, getting ready to repair a couple of crawlers, gotta go to work this evening, so that I can get off a day early this week. I\'ll see how cooperative those Cletracs are today. What I replied to Danny was that I agree with him about our membership service. The second post was to try to let him know how this service came about, and what influenced the decision. I don\'t agree with this decision, never did, but, I can see what caused it, and believe the BOD felt it was the best option available to them at the time.\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','3n1nzhj3',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4111,977,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1098034764,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I\'m not certain what Andy is agreeing with me about. I\'m certain that the renewal form was approved by the president. It must be because Terry Allen\'s name is signed to it.  \r\n\r\nMaybe Andy agree\'s with me that the HPOCA by-laws don\'t mean a thing to the president or B.O.D. for them allow a money back gaurantee to be put in the renewal form.  Maybe Andy agree\'s with me that by Terry Allen and the B.OD. doing this they have once again opened HPOCA up to a multitude of potential law suits...false advertising is ILLEGAL!!!\r\n\r\nWhat in my above post do you agree with Andy?  Good thing the new by-laws haven\'t been aproved yet or else you and I would both be in hot water, huh? Andy?  Article X  Section D\r\n\r\nOh and by the way Andy with this being an HPOCA member only sight I don\'t think its fair to use names of non-members. Especially when they can\'t get on to defend themselves. If you have a problem with McMillen here is an email  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:sirmcmillen@mcmillencomm.com\">sirmcmillen@mcmillencomm.com</a><!-- e -->          This email will get you the president of the company.\r\n\r\nPat Ertel maybe a member of HPOCA in which case he could get on this forum. Sherry is no longer a member of HPOCA and certainly can\'t be blamed for the content Mr. Allen has approved for the HPOCA renewal\r\n letter.\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'gA==','1uyts69g',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4112,980,3,10611,0,'209.153.156.186',1098072813,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','New magazine deadlines','Hello everybody,\r\n\r\nWe have nailed down our new deadline schedule for 2005. We have made some changes in response to what we have heard from members.\r\n\r\nStarting in 2005, the magazine will be mailed on the first of the month (unless it falls on a weekend. The Jan/Feb issue won\'t go in the mail until the 5th, due to the holidays.)\r\n\r\nAnother change will be we will now be having is just one deadline date for all material, ads, and letters. Most members felt that two separate dates made for more confusion. From now on the due date will be the 10th, or the next regular business day. This puts the deadline for the Jan/Feb issue only a couple of days after its mailing date (Nov 8th). Because of this, we will try to accommodate everybody the best we can, but please, send in anything you want in the Jan/Feb issue ASAP. \r\n\r\nThe official schedule is as follows:\r\n\r\nDeadlines for the HPOCA Magazine 2005 Issues\r\nAll articles, letters and advertising needs to be on the Editor’s desk by the deadline date.\r\n\r\nJan/Feb 2005 - November 10, 2004\r\nMar/April 2005 - January 10, 2005\r\nMay/June 2005 - March 10, 2005\r\nJuly/Aug 2005 - May 10, 2005\r\nSept/Oct 2005 - July 10, 2005\r\nNov/Dec 2005 - September 10, 2005\r\n\r\n\r\nThanks,','',0,'gA==','3cb8cnfa',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4113,981,3,12,0,'69.128.201.138',1098147491,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Andy\'s Reasoning','Andy did\'nt seem to have time to explain his reason for blocking the letters to the editor, so I\'ll tell you what he told me.\r\n\r\nIt seems that a few years ago there was a heated campaign for president of HPOCA. That brought about a policy of the candidates having a one page profile in the magazine and the restriction of any campaigning by the candidates.\r\n\r\nAndy\'s assertion is that letters pro or con for the proposed by-law changes are equal to \"campaigning\". I DO NOT agree with this logic! The by-laws are not candidates. \r\n\r\nUnwritten policies such as this are the reason we need the Policies and Procedures Manual completed. The P&amp;P manual is something that I will give a high priority. John Hume.','',0,'gA==','3o25qijc',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4114,981,3,110,0,'205.188.116.143',1098157037,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Wow','This just gets better all the time. You got a by-law committee which was chaired by someone who, even though has completed his job, seems to call all the shots,ignored everybodies ideas, satisfied their own agenda, a nominating committee hand picked by the current boss,who wont say BOO, a no campaigning policy for all  incoming canidate hopefuls, an internet forum which scorns any resistance to the entire proccess, and almost 6000 members who hopefully wont vote for anybody, because they have no idea whats going on or who these people are running for president or what those silly by-laws even mean anyways.  Jeepers John, i hope you know some majic, looks like you will need it.  By the way John, if you did happen to get in and do as you promise,which is communicate and lead, you wont hear one beep outa me. The way i see it, even if you never did or said anything i agreed with, i could and would live with it because you stood behind it with merit.','',0,'gA==','1hia6bfa',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4115,981,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1098164359,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andys reasoning, to me, seems a little off base, to say the least.  What happened to \"free speech\".   Geez.  Ed','',0,'gA==','2ki0oekl',1,0,'',464,0,0),(4116,981,3,614,0,'152.163.100.70',1098208341,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','campaining  sure were campaining...     YOU HAVE To  when stuff is that far out of  Kelter--  how are the problems to be braught to light.\r\n\r\nto me  some negative campaining has to be done or you will never know the truth at all.','',0,'gA==','nlahxaex',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4117,981,3,88,0,'4.155.123.25',1098216864,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','FREE SPEECH ????','Did someone say Free Speech????? That\'s a word not often used in HPOCA, and if someone does exercise the mistaken idea that there is free speech, you will be quickly reprimanded. You will be ridiculed for your independent thought. A name such as \"Renegade\" shall be placed upon you. All \"good\" members will rise to the occasion to attempt to silence you, and you,  according to the new by-laws, you might even lose your membership. \r\n\r\nSo, anyway that seems to be what has happened to the concept of \"free speech\" in the good ol HPOCA these days......','',0,'gA==','12602x3j',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4118,981,3,238,0,'64.12.116.79',1098217502,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','It makes me wonder where these people are getting their \"rules\" from.\r\nThe current bylaws of the HPOCA are posted on this website, and as hard as I tried, I couldn\'t find anything that remotely resembled what Andy is talking about. \r\nAt this time I\'m thinking that Andy and the bylaw committee wasted their time and effort re writing the current bylaws since this seems to be a \"make up the rules as you go\" organization.\r\nThe decision by Andy to associate the bylaw controversy with campaigning for office is impossible to comprehend, even by slow witted old guys like me. The decision by Chris to not publish the letter by Andy\'s comparison is equally difficult to understand, especially since Andy is now a \"mere\" member like the rest of us.\r\n                                                                                Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','3prrj32r',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4119,980,3,614,0,'152.163.100.70',1098232058,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Thank you Chris.    At least someone with some athority is trying to make constructive changes.','',0,'gA==','2lh2dpms',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4120,955,1,510,0,'209.41.194.144',1098271731,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','We use an 1850 on our 80 acre farm.  It has a Bush Hog loader, and is used mostly for moving round bales.  I like the sound and the responsiveness of the Perkins diesel.\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'gA==','387wdwqs',1,0,'',510,0,0),(4121,982,1,510,0,'209.41.194.76',1098315571,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Just bought a Super 55 Diesel','I\'m not very familiar with this tractor, and neither was the seller.  The motor cranks over, but it won\'t fire.  Is there anything obvious I should be checking?  Fuel valve under tank is on.  The fuel pump was replaced with an electric pump and it seems to be making the right noise when I turn it on.  Kill switch knob/cable on the injector pump is in.\r\n\r\nWhat should I try next?\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'gA==','fafp14j3',1,0,'',510,0,0),(4122,983,3,465,0,'4.131.41.161',1098316514,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Absentee Board of Directors','Since we have done away with the HIDDEN status, and now have to log in to get to this forum, I\'ve noticed some board members have come out of hiding to visit. Actually I\'ve noticed the number of members (who I can only guess were coming and going as guests) has increased over the last month.\r\n This makes me wonder about a point I brought up months ago. Is there some type of gag order on the BOD? Two members log on almost daily now. They never logged on in the last six months prior, and now that the forum is locked to outsiders, they can\'t seem to stay away. \r\n Wish we could get some input from the new blood, or old blood that has come out of hiding.\r\n  Could Board Members refusal to comment on legitimate issues of concern to the members, be detrimental to the club and be cause to be brought up on disciplinary charges.\r\n Then again it is nice not having the yieldmap frothing at the keyboard.','',0,'gA==','1fjmlpsa',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4123,983,3,707,0,'209.143.37.155',1098323393,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Just exactly what do the board members do when you ask them to comment on these \'legitimate\' concerns? Hang up the phone on you? Close the door in your face? Ignore you at a show?\r\n\r\nPlease explain.','',0,'gA==','7k5a5xtr',1,0,'',707,0,0),(4124,983,3,614,0,'152.163.100.13',1098324846,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','well  there are a list of questions   ---  waiting for    howmany months now--  for  some answers...','',0,'gA==','3hxjtuy9',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4125,979,1,614,0,'152.163.100.65',1098325091,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','we have one.... got it kinda  as a fluke... but   I like it... just dont trust the old engine --- we\'ve really used it  hard  on   grainvac.. and it uses oil .. gets warm.. \r\n\r\nbut I like the bugger.','',0,'gA==','1chfevfg',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4126,983,3,707,0,'209.143.37.155',1098325131,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I understand that from Keith M.\'s previous post. However, that does not explain my previous question.','',0,'gA==','3jylybz5',1,0,'',707,0,0),(4127,58,1,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1098325692,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I   want to keep this thread going so I will put a post here and when time gets more  I will comment farther .. but for now.\r\n\r\n grampa had olivers...   2 88\'s he liked.. got a 1800 gas...  that was an oops..  \r\n\r\nthat was my mothers dad...\r\nothers side   had other brands.... THE only other brand  and when  grampa  bought  one of those he sold his 1800.....  that ended the olivers. until   I got a Super77 at a sale.....','',0,'gA==','3vyy91cv',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4128,984,1,685,0,'24.208.34.163',1098331744,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 44','Does anybody make or reproduce the long tubular hydraulic lines on the right side of the tractor?\r\n\r\nAlso does someone make reproduction battery covers or have an original to sell?','',0,'gA==','1vhfexkc',1,0,'',685,0,0),(4129,983,3,465,0,'4.225.94.151',1098355672,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Why don\'t I call them? Because unless I was to illegally record them, any thing they say can be denied.  they could say it never happened. I want to hear what they have to say in a public forum.','',0,'gA==','2f9ij7fa',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4130,979,1,611,0,'198.212.223.35',1098358673,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Thanks for the reply Eddie. Maybe some day I can say the same.','',0,'gA==','25n42clo',1,0,'',611,0,0),(4131,983,3,88,0,'4.155.129.225',1098392319,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Quite simply I think they are scared. That would explain it. Also would explain why they always seemed to have a 3rd party speak for them.\r\nThe words of the 3rd party spokesperson (unofficial spokesperson that is)\r\nreally don\'t mean anything, so that way they try to defend their weak positions, but really don\'t have to stand behind the words. Pretty clever ,,,,ehh?\r\n\r\nOf course, that is just how I see it. If they were to post publicly it would prove me wrong,,,,,wouldn\'t it????','',0,'gA==','25a505jm',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4132,983,3,116,0,'66.71.221.119',1098395533,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','maybe andy knows the answer','',0,'gA==','n0y53pq5',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4133,983,3,465,0,'4.225.91.114',1098402558,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Andy took all his toys and went home.','',0,'gA==','2srdl8nw',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4134,985,4,565,0,'64.185.147.141',1098403025,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Missing ID plate Oliver OC-4','Hey guys.  I bought an OC-4 last spring, and I\'m just now getting around to tearing into it.  Boy, have I had some surprises!  The guy I bought it from told me \'everything is good - just has some busted studs on the left drive sprocket\'.  Couldn\'t be more wrong!  What I\'ve found so far is basically every bearing from the outer final drive housings is completely trashed - one of the races came out in BB-sized chunks.  The pinion gear is almost unrecognizable, and the reverse idler shaft in the transmission is pitted and galled.\r\n\r\nAnyway, I\'m not complaining - the guy who sold me the machine didn\'t know, and it\'s a good opportunity to get my hands dirty.\r\n\r\nWhat I need help with is the ID plate that has the serial number has been missing for many years, as evidenced by the 2 or 3 coats of mismatched yellow paint where the plate had once been.  Is there anywhere else on the machine I can look?  Can the engine serial number tell me anything?  It\'s a 3-cyl Hercules diesel.\r\n\r\nI don\'t even know what year the machine is - the front grille does not look like any other OC-4 I\'ve seen in pictures.','',0,'gA==','2kwonblj',1,0,'',565,0,0),(4135,983,3,707,0,'209.143.37.176',1098403265,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Public forum? You had one of those at the winter get together and no one said a thing. Why didn\'t anyone speak up? Doug_424\'s previous post on this page is a perfect example of why, it\'s easy to taunt a computer screen. It\'s easy for you and Danny Tabor to type onto the Internet that Mr. Allen and others are lying, cheating thieves, it\'s a little tougher to do it to a man\'s face! Past that, whether public forum, in person, or over the phone, isn\'t the point that YOU get the answers to your questions? Or is getting your questions answered really your agenda at all?\r\n   Simply put, I believe your as well as others agenda is to cause a little trouble and have a little fun. I\'ve even had a good laugh out of some of the posts, however when they become personal attacks by calling a man a criminal on this and other boards it is nothing but cowardly.\r\n   If you think the number of people with this point of view are low, you are sadly mistaken.','',0,'gA==','1iqs95ck',1,0,'',707,0,0),(4136,983,3,465,0,'4.225.91.114',1098404292,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Please inform me where I accused someone of a criminal act. I was at the winter get together and saw our boards strong arm tactics. I was going to come to the summer show.  We had a family matter come up the week before. I had planed on catching a ride with Larry Coltrin, who did attend. At the time I was looking at a couple $k in lawyer bills to keep a stepson out of jail if you must know.  Believe me when I say I would love to have been there. Now, speaking of hiding, I\'ve noticed you don\'t sign you posts. What are you hiding from?','',0,'gA==','2dmp7fz0',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4137,983,3,305,0,'209.107.192.57',1098410928,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','At the summer show, someone pointed Terry Allen out to me. I went and spoke with him for quite some time and asked alot of questions. I must say quite different from what I expected. He answered every question I had about things and some of the actions taken. He really appeared to be a good honest man and has a passion for the HPOCA. It\'s a pity he has taken such a beating from an organization that he has worked so hard to help. I\'m not on anyone\'s side, but thought I would share the experience.\r\n\r\nLeo','',0,'gA==','3da23d9g',1,0,'',305,0,0),(4138,983,3,465,0,'4.225.92.210',1098411524,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Ok Leo, did you happen to ask any of the questions we have been asking?\r\n look back there are a couple lists. What did he say? Enlighten me. Just looking back you and oliver60 whoever he is have joined in within the last month. Are you using a new alias. Sign your name. We who are complaining do.','',0,'gA==','218hnxiz',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4139,983,3,238,0,'205.188.113.39',1098412156,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Yessir Mr. Oliver 60, it sure is easy talking to a computer screen, especially when you don\'t seem to have the courage to stand behind what you are implying. Stand up and be counted man...sign your name.\r\nYou are on the wrong page if you think this is fun. This club used to be fun until our current leaders(?) deserted the general membership.\r\nThis now seems to be a club \"for the Board of Directors, by the Board of Directors and of the Board of Directors. That\'s my opinion.\r\nYou are entitled to your opinion also, just keep in mind that it is worth exactly what it cost to get it.\r\n                                     Have a great day, Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','2x5k2mge',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4140,983,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1098454598,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','OK, I won\'t let Leo stand in the wind by himself','I too have spoken to Terry in person, on the phone and by email. He answered all of my questions, some of them are on \"The List\" and I am happy with his explainations. Neither the BOD or Sherry have been willing to discuss their differences on a public forum and I can understand why from both sides of the story.\r\n\r\nJohn Schweizer','',0,'gA==','1w9cfwcx',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4141,983,3,465,0,'4.225.94.105',1098457992,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','John,\r\n Others think I\'m trying to embarrass Terry in some way. I\'m not. I think these are questions that need to be answered. Sherry is Ancient History. She\'s doing a lot better with the split. I\'m really happy for her. I have dropped those questions months ago. Now HPOCA has a company man running the Magazine.\r\n \r\n Maybe my question cut hard. Terry could have emailed me. Chris and I have exchanged emails in the past that we asked each other not to be made public. I have honored that. I believe Chris has done the same.\r\n\r\n I\'m not informed what is going on behind the scienes. If I were maybe I might just shut up. The deafening silence of the BOD just irritates us more.\r\n\r\n  I\'ll make a deal right here and now. If the Terry would look at my questions, answer them via email,  and any followups I have, explain how a committee chairman can have a letter pulled from the magazine after the editor said he would print it and why it would harm the club,  I will not post in this forum period. I will look in now and then but will not post.\r\n\r\n  Think it will happen!!?? I won\'t be holding my breath. Na, They can just expel me at their next meeting.\r\n\r\n  John,  Enlighten me. What did you ask Terry and what did he say? \r\n\r\n  I am not a renegade by nature. Maybe I can be brought over from the dark side.','',0,'gA==','1m3a4gk8',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4142,983,3,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1098458675,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Ok...I am getting ready to step on some toes...but I dont care...I just hope that some you are able to accept criticism.\r\n\r\nKeith, Doug...my question to you and the others is this...If Terry and the BOD answered all of your questions, fully and completely, and every answer given fully justified every action taken...would you be satisfied?\r\n\r\nI dont know any of you, and I dont know that answer, but I will tell you this...from a bystander\'s point of view, my guess is that the answer would be no.  Again, I say this not because I know you, but simply from the reasoning that all of \"the Renegade\" posts have the tone and feeling that nothing Terry or the BOD would ever say, do, etc. would ever please you because you already have your minds\' made up.\r\n\r\nI am stating this not to be judgemental, mind you, but from an outsiders point of view to let you know how others see your posts.\r\n\r\nBe mad at me if you want, but in reality I am trying to help.\r\n\r\nIan Hart','',0,'gA==','1qypiddn',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4143,983,3,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1098459277,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Well, it looks like Keith was typing at the same time I was <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: --> \r\nAnd it looks like he answered my question as it pertains to him.  \r\nI just wanted to let everyone know that I hadnt posted that after him to be smart or anything...he must have just posted while I was still typing.','',0,'gA==','3pbco7n3',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4144,983,3,88,0,'4.155.126.19',1098477238,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','First.....Oliver60,,,,,I didn\'t acuse anyone of anything. I just posted my views as I see them.  And will stand corrected if I am wrong. To 995, if I were satisfied with answers would depend, on wether it was a \"real\" answer or a Bill Clinton answer. Most of you don\'t actually care what is going on. You just step up to defend Terry and his cronies. Another point,,,,,I thought the whole point of this closed forum was so those who post would have to identify themselves. Is that right or wrong???','',0,'gA==','13muoa61',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4145,983,3,88,0,'4.155.126.19',1098477646,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Another point, if you go back to the beginning of this mess (Sherry\'s firing)\r\nI had no loyalty to her or anyone else at that time. But, after I heard how it evolved, and when it become obvuious that her only support on the board was Landis Zimmerman, I was beginning to see a pattern. You add the bylaws, the nominating commitee and other such things to the equation and you end up with a \"not so healthy\" HPOCA \r\n\r\nIf Mr Allen had valid reasons for his actions, I might have been on his side. But none were given.','',0,'gA==','2vv60895',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4146,983,3,707,0,'209.143.37.175',1098484037,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[quote:3bqwr3fr]Most of you don\'t actually care what is going on. You just step up to defend Terry and his cronies.[/quote:3bqwr3fr]\n\n   \n    Doug, what makes you think we don\'t know what is going on and you do. From what I can recall from your previous posts is you didn\'t attend the summer show or any other BOD meetings. You have obviously not called and discussed this with any board members. So educate us.\n\nWhat is it that we don\'t know?\n\nHow did you learn this?\n\nAnd what facts do you have to back this up?[/quote]','',0,'gA==','3bqwr3fr',1,0,'',707,0,0),(4147,983,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1098485414,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Oliver60?? Your right I do have an agenda, in fact multiple agenda\'s and I\'ll share them with you. I\'d like to see Terry Allen elected out of office. He may not have proven himself a liar to you but he has to me!\r\n\r\nI\'d like to see members vote down the new by-laws. I don\'t see anything in the proposed bylaws that will benefit HPOCA or the members. Then afterward I\'d like to see a new committee established to write bylaws that will benefit members and stimulate the growth of HPOCA.\r\n\r\nI\'d like to see more members involved in HPOCA and the best way to do this is to give more contolling power to HPOCA\'s chapters. The chapters are capable of bringing HPOCA to members on a personal level. A chapter controlled HPOCA will not happen over night but at some point it will or HPOCA will become stagnent or worse yet break apart, as many tractor clubs have in the past. \r\n\r\nAnd finally I\'d like to see John Hume take Terry Allens place. I believe John will be the best choice for the future of HPOCA and John will listen to members suggestions and will take them seriously. While I\'m not certain John and I see eye to eye on everything. I do believe he\'ll be willing to listen and work with me as well as other members.  John Hume... UNLESS Chris Losey all of a sudden decides to run for president.  I\'ve gained respect for Chris.....Yea I know why you can\'t, Chris but I can keep askin!!!\r\n\r\nMy name is \r\n                Danny Tabor    and these are my agenda\'s\r\n\r\nEverybody has a name and I believe everybody has an agenda whether they admit it or not.....Oliver 60 whats your name?   Whats your agenda?\r\n\r\n  \r\n       \r\n <!-- s:idea: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_idea.gif\" alt=\":idea:\" title=\"Idea\" /><!-- s:idea: -->','',0,'gA==','24vck235',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4148,983,3,110,0,'205.188.116.142',1098487905,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','John and Ian','It sure is great to see some people other than Andy and Chris speak up and have the common decency to identify themselves, thus making their post worth reading.\r\n\r\nJohn, i agree with you completly. Terry and probably any of the BOD will talk to you and answer any or all your questions face to face or over the phone. However, on this forum, i think what people are looking for is public explainations to their concerns within the club. It has become quite apparent that this will never become reality.\r\n\r\nAny good political figure will always tell the followers what they want to hear. In almost 50 years, i have never seen one put those thoughts or ideas in writing. Im sure its not going to start now.\r\n\r\nIan, you might be partly right in what you said about what people want to hear. Myself, i would be more than happy to hear any kind of communications, and knowing we have leadership would satisfy me completly. I said it before and i will say it again, come on board, say something, anything, tell the people to live with it or move on and its over. Than you add in all these people who defend their silence and fail to identify themselves as anything more than a tractor model, just makes the situation worse. Breeds more distrust within. \r\n\r\nHowever you look at it, i applaud the both of you for taking a concerned stand on the issue and siging your name to it.\r\n\r\nThe one thing that befuddles me on all this is the parties involved. The so called renegades who some think are just out to cause trouble ALL identify themselves, almost to the street corner. Arent they the ones who usually hid under false names, the trouble makers???  Than you have the group who defend the accusations, the group who usually defend with merit, who in this situation for the most part stay anominious. Very strange turn around that is?????\r\n\r\nClosing this forum to members only was a good start in keeping this within the club. Now we should call on Chris to finish the job and make everyone signed up to this  forum signed on with their given names. Memebership # should be required to register. \r\n\r\nIf we all got together with a name and discussed things in the open for a couple weeks, all this could be rectified in no time. As it stands, these people feel ignored by the arrogance of a BOD, which feels they arent even worth responding to. That, from my perspective, might be the leaderships only mistake,for sure its their biggest.\r\n\r\nAnyways gentleman, thanks for getting involved.  Have a nice day  Bob Cook','',0,'gA==','1gzm423a',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4149,983,3,88,0,'4.155.123.60',1098490819,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well, Oliver60 ,,,,,(another stealth poster)....First, you didn\'t even read what you quoted.......the words I used were \"care what\'s going on\", not didn\'t know....\r\n\r\nSecond, my attending a BOD meeting or not has nothing to do with my having an opinion. The vast majority of the members never have attended a meeting, so as you see things, they can\'t have an opinion either? \r\n\r\nMy reason for saying what I said was many of you guys (60, 995, yieldmap,) don\'t really say much. You just condem those of us that do.\r\nI usually don\'t agree with Andy, but I do give him credit for stating his views and NOT being afraid to identify himself.','',0,'gA==','2efsfssy',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4150,983,3,465,0,'4.224.207.183',1098490951,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Bob.\r\n\r\n  You nailed it.','',0,'gA==','1xpvphsu',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4151,983,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.239',1098502079,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','[quote=&quot;Keith M.&quot;:2rzbg52c]\n  I\'ll make a deal right here and now. If the Terry would look at my questions, answer them via email,  and any followups I have, explain how a committee chairman can have a letter pulled from the magazine after the editor said he would print it and why it would harm the club,  I will not post in this forum period. I will look in now and then but will not post.\n[/quote:2rzbg52c]\r\n\r\nKeith,\r\n\r\nWe didn\'t discuss your letter with the BOD.  Pulling it was our decision, and I\'ll try to explain why.\r\n\r\nOnce Andy got wind of your letter, he of course didn\'t want it in there. I disagreed with his reasons, but Becky and I discussed it in depth. We looked at it from this point of view: if Andy were to somehow get the election thrown out because of us printing a letter to the editor, the whole thing would have to be redone. Now how do you think that would look to membership? Most would think that since the BOD didn\'t get the results they wanted, they are going to do it over until they get the right response. That is why we didn\'t go to the board about the letters. If they told us whether or not to print them, then they are the bad guys all over again, trying to influence the club. So we did what we felt was best for the club.  We decided to print no letters either way, that way there is no bias on our, or anybody\'s part. All the information any member needs on the by-laws issue is there, they just need to read it carefully and make a good decision based on what they feel is right for the club. That\'s what we did, because this club needs to start moving forward.\r\n\r\nOn a related note, if you had emailed me instead of posting how upset you were on the forum, Andy would have been none the wiser as to what letters would have been printed in the magazine. Instead, we ended up where we are now. Someone once told me, \'choose your battles wisely\', and this was probably a good place to adhere to that idea.\r\n\r\nOne more thing, 2 BOD members emailed me when they heard about the ruckus Andy had caused. Both said to put in the magazine what we felt was right, and pay no attention to Andy. \r\n\r\nI can\'t say that not printing the letters is 100% right, but I am confident it is the best decision for the club at this time.','',0,'gA==','2rzbg52c',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4152,983,3,88,0,'4.155.99.139',1098522194,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Andy\'s influence','This is one time I will agree with the board, or at least the two members\r\nreferred to here:\r\n\r\n\"One more thing, 2 BOD members emailed me when they heard about the ruckus Andy had caused. Both said to put in the magazine what we felt was right, and pay no attention to Andy. \"\r\n\r\nAndy seems to have a hold over you Chris,,,,I\'m not sure why his comments should mean more than anyone elses. I know he serves on a comittee, but to say he can try to have an election overturned is ridiculous.\r\n\r\nThe thinking that lead to your decision not to print the letter is the same type of thinking that has made HPOCA the way it is today. Things need to be more open. I also have to state my opinion once again that closing this forum to the public hasn\'t done anyone any good at all.....','',0,'gA==','2c81lbcm',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4153,983,3,305,0,'209.107.193.203',1098528972,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','This is my second time joining. To set things straight, I too visited the Plain City show. There I tried to meet some of the parties to be, including the current editor at that time. I really felt like I got a cold shoulder and a I\'m too good for you attitude. I dismissed it as just being busy, so I tried it again when there was apparent down time. Same response. Thus I did not renew my membership. When I heard Chris was doing the magazine and some of the direction the club was now going, I decided to rejoin. Even though I had never met Chris personally until the Madison show, he has always helped me keep my Olivers running with sound mechanical advice and tips through the Olivergang site. I knew his knowledge of Olivers would benefit the magazine. I am not any board crownie, but I will say the few that I met seem to have something in common as I do....we enjoy Olivers. Believe me guys, Terry Allen is a good man and is good for HPOCA. I wish somehow you guys could overcome your differences. The organization would benefit leaps and bounds.\r\n\r\nLeo Becton\r\nNorth Carolina','',0,'gA==','2jxm0otd',1,0,'',305,0,0),(4154,983,3,7,0,'64.12.116.136',1098537693,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','On campaigning','It\'s unfortunate that we won\'t be allowed to state our positions in the magazine, and I\'m not taking sides here, but making wholesale changes to the bylaws on an all or none basis is just plain wrong.\r\n\r\nThe one point that I think a lot of people have missed is that to change the bylaws takes about a year and a half if everything falls into place. The changes have to be organized and presented to the BOD. Then the changes have to be presented to the general membership. IF there aren\'t any amendments from the floor to the changes at this point they can be put to a vote at the next possible meeting or magazine issue. If there ARE changes you delay the process untill the next general membership meeting.\r\n\r\nI know we have discussed this before, but Roberts Rules of Order have absolutely nothing to do with the way the HPOCA does business. Robert\'s Rules of order are a guidline for conductiong a business meeting. In ALL cases the By-laws are the prevailing way the conduct of club business is determined.\r\n\r\nThat being said, there are changes in the bylaws that I think deserve support, there are others I think do not. If this is an all or none proposition I am OPPOSED to the changes as set forward.\r\n\r\nJohn Schweizer','',0,'gA==','1gfn0h6a',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4155,983,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1098544389,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','You are absolutely right John but I also don\'t think we should change the way they are voted for midstream. It was determined at the winter meeting these bylaws were a package deal. I asked and Andy answered.  So okay, lets reject these bylaws and start fresh.\r\n\r\nMy personal opinion is that Chris may be right to stay out of it as far as priinting the letters. Look once we get these bylaws voted down and new blood in office then hopefully Chris will feel more comforatable printing such.\r\nShould the bylaws pass and should the same people stay in charge of HPOCA, I\'m leaving Dodge but Chris and Becky will still be here as editor\'s. I believe Chris is concerned about the club but right now he wishes to protect his own interests as being editor.   Thats my take on it anyway\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'gA==','2cucwat1',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4156,986,1,651,0,'12.77.7.43',1098578474,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Motor Curtains','I have what most likely is a strange question. But here goes!!!\r\nI have  pictures of my father with a 38 Oliver 70 which in some pictures\r\nhas the motor curtain on and in other pictures with them off.\r\nI know that Massey-Harris had them on their 101\'s 102\' and maybe\r\na few other models.  Oliver did not use them for many years.\r\nDid they cause the motor to run warmer as to not having them?\r\nOther than make the tractor in some cases look good what was\r\nthe purpose of them.  Thanks for answer.\r\nJimmie','',0,'gA==','1jmu8y92',1,0,'',651,0,0),(4157,983,3,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1098594926,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Leo\r\n\r\nI  have been acused of the same things you are  but its because I am realy shy---- was raised up as a child do not speak unless spoken too.. (first grade teacher was 70 when I had her  in the mid 60\'s)   \r\nIf you know me you know I am not stuck up.   If you dont you think I am.\r\n\r\nwe\'ve  bought  olivers from a  board member he told us he would  send us a part that was missing... 8yrs ago ..\r\n\r\none other person  who\'s no longer  an HPOCA member  reoverhauled an engine after we baught  a tractor from him because he  thought something was wrong-- even gave us extra parts from his personal stache for something he didnt have to.\r\n\r\nits hard for me not to take sides.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nOH  and   YOU all know I dont like trouble.   BUT!  if  someone\'s not  out in the open about anything.... I get mean.   \r\nI  want to know why some of this stuff happend and have been sitting around waiting for answers -- -   TRUTHFULL ONES not BS for the masses! \r\na person can make a dessision on what to do.  \r\n\r\nits easy to take sides when you get ignored by one side of an issue.','',0,'gA==','257jis9x',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4158,983,3,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1098595612,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','sorry about that last post--- I  was  sleepy from picking corn till 2am.\r\n\r\n\r\nok..\r\n\r\nI dont want to run the \"status quoe is OK\" group off ...   even if they dont want to sign their names.   I just want someone to see this side.\r\nIt looks like  this  is  a PERFECT  forum  for  the BOD, committee chairs, and the Club members to  talk.. I mean  the yelling is only in your mind -=-it can be ignored  if you want  and  everyone that checks it can see your side *unless they dont want to*.\r\n\r\nif you  really  wanted to tell your side (IE mr Allen and the BOD)   \r\n\r\nHERE IS THE  PLACE!  \r\n   so why not?????   \r\n\r\nI really want to know  why not?','',0,'gA==','2fectn3i',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4159,987,3,88,0,'4.155.129.235',1098637543,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','A real simple question','Ok,,,,,Here it is: This has been mentioned before, but one more try. I\'ll put this as simply as possible, Why do the certain few people who constantly defend the BOD and president continue to refuse to identify themselves? I get the feeling it\'s the same few, or maybe just one who keeps posting under different aliases. To those of us who DO choose to be up front about who we are and what we believe, this is not fair. \r\n\r\nSo, that\'s it,,,,,,,,,anyone care to respond?\r\n\r\nDoug Grandy.....member 3614','',0,'gA==','2mesr34n',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4160,985,4,88,0,'4.155.129.235',1098637757,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','You might try cletrac.org...it\'s much more active regarding crawlers that this forum is.','',0,'gA==','34vhrdce',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4161,987,3,110,0,'64.12.116.136',1098639741,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Good luck on that one Doug!!','After you get an answer to that one Doug, maybe we should all enjoy a good snowball fight in Ecuador eh!!!\r\n\r\nIts pretty obvious to all that people who sign their ideas and thoughts on the club are genuiely interested in the well being of the club. Maybe their concerns are not really concerns at all, but they should be addressed just the same.\r\n\r\nThose who choose silence and aliases are strictly working on personel agenda\'s.\r\n\r\nWhat really dazzles me is the fact they try to deflect it back on those people with names as being nothing more than troublemaking renegades.\r\n\r\nGO FIGURE!!!!!  Maybe there is snow in Ecuador.\r\n\r\nBob Cook  2037','',0,'gA==','x8md877v',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4162,987,3,7,0,'205.188.116.72',1098640873,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','It\'s the culture','It\'s the on line culture to be able to comment without identifying yourself. Personally, I always figure that the people that need to know me do. I don\'t sign my name because I used the same handle on every discussion page I visit and make no secret about who I am or where I live. I have refrained from offering my email address as a spam control. John','',0,'gA==','1dffh6g9',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4163,987,3,88,0,'4.155.57.113',1098650590,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I understand John C\'s reasoning. I am the same way, I may not always give my name, but have no reason not to. I use the same ID on cletrac.org, and on Y-T, even though I am not that active on those sites.\r\n\r\nAnother way I was thinking of to deal with this,,would be to simply not respond or take anything seriously that is posted by the \"stealths\" Without at least some sort of idea of who they are makes it hard for their words to have any meaning. A I said before, I do commend Andy for not being afraid of his identity being known, even though we don\'t often agree.','',0,'gA==','61d2nihq',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4165,987,3,110,0,'64.12.116.13',1098653539,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Why would ANYBODY who is a member of a antique tractor club, discussing club issues, NOT want to identify themselves????Its not like we are discussing the future of an entire nation or something here. \r\n\r\nThe room has been locked to outsiders, therefore keeping our business to ourselves. That is exactly were the secrecy should end.\r\n\r\nAndy shouldnt be afraid to speak his thoughts and beleifs. Nobody who is above board would or should feel threatened. But such just dosent seem to be the case, and than they question why so many continue to raise questions or as they say.....\r\nCause trouble....\r\n\r\n \r\nBob Cook 2037','',0,'gA==','2mfud8la',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4166,987,3,707,0,'209.143.37.157',1098657490,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[quote:3iya5pzs]Its pretty obvious to all that people who sign their ideas and thoughts on the club are genuiely interested in the well being of the club.[/quote:3iya5pzs]\n\n\nThat was one of those laughs I mentioned in another post. What have you or any of the other \"Renegades\" ever done for the well being of the club? What have you done for the club period?\n\n[quote:3iya5pzs]Another way I was thinking of to deal with this,,would be to simply not respond or take anything seriously that is posted by the \"stealths\" Without at least some sort of idea of who they are makes it hard for their words to have any meaning.[/quote:3iya5pzs]\n\nFrom the number of replies to my first post I\'d say it did have some meaning. Must have been right on target at that. Stealth? If I remember right you had quit this club by not renewing your membership until you were cut of from this forum and unable to attempt to taunt BOD\'s and cause trouble ...oops, I mean look out for the best interents of the club.\n\n\n [quote:3iya5pzs]But such just dosent seem to be the case, and than they question why so many continue to raise questions or as they say..... \nCause trouble.... [/quote:3iya5pzs]\n\nIf you TRUELY had a genuine question then you would find someone to ask that question too. But were right back to the point that answers to your questions isn\'t what you want at all, huh?\n\n\n[quote:3iya5pzs]The room has been locked to outsiders, therefore keeping our business to ourselves.[/quote:3iya5pzs] \r\n\r\nI\'m not an outsider, I\'m an HPOCA member, and will continue to be after the By-Laws pass.\r\n\r\n\r\noliver60\r\na.k.a.\r\nThe Stealth\r\nmember # F117A','',0,'gA==','3iya5pzs',1,0,'',707,0,0),(4167,987,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1098658467,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I believe anybody who feels strongly enough about something wouldn\'t be afraid to put their name to what they write. I can\'t think of one thing that I\'ve ever written for public view that I hadn\'t put my name too.  I admit there are some things I wished I hadn\'t written...buuut still people reading it knows where it came from.   \r\n\r\nFor me it means quite a lot when somebody puts their name to their opinions or thoughts, even if its something I disagree with or is an attack on my own opinions, especially when dealing with politics of any type.\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\n\r\n <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> Wrenchbender----John Hume for president <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','354r5tkh',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4168,987,3,88,0,'4.155.129.19',1098661416,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','About all I can say at this point is that Oliver60 has done nothing but prove me to be totally correct on this subject.','',0,'gA==','2xhcv4t3',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4170,986,1,403,0,'66.187.42.90',1098664019,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Are you talking about solid sides or canvas heat houser?','',0,'gA==','381kfwly',1,1098880407,'',403,2,0),(4171,986,1,12,0,'69.128.201.138',1098667474,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','My opinion is that the side panels were more for style than any practical purpose. \r\n\r\nThere were undoubtedly problems with overheating in some situations and that is why the panels were removed. If you ever had to repair the tractor or perform maintenance, the panels had no way of being held open, so they had to be removed. It would have been real easy to leave them off. Have you ever tried to put oil in a Fleetline and held the panel up with your head?\r\n\r\nMaybe your father removed the panels during hot weather and put them back on in the winter.  Just my thoughts, WB.','',0,'gA==','2f6hmaf0',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4172,987,3,614,0,'205.188.116.142',1098671401,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','you know  that no one post has made me as  MAD  as that last post  oliver60  put up.\r\n\r\nI mean come on  we  have ask  the questions.  \r\n\r\nThere are those of us  qualified to be officers but are not  politically connected enough to get \" NOMINATED\"  \r\n\r\nThere are those of us that have made the shows and meetings and done what  all the other members have done..   even investigation the canadates qualifications for office when we dont know them.  I dont  see why  HE thinks he is holyer  than any of the rest of the members of this club.\r\n\r\nOH  and again...  THE QUESTIONS WERE ASK!   NEVER ANSWERED!','',0,'gA==','1bme7lj3',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4173,987,3,238,0,'64.12.116.7',1098675043,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Gosh Oliver 60, you\'ve got a good memory. Lets see, I think Doug was talking about renewing His membership in early  to mid summer. Your ID says you joined 9/21/04. \r\nYour spoofing with us again aren\'t you Sammy. That\'s OK by me, everybody is entitled to some fun. You young guys will do almost anything for a laugh.\r\nWhat has Bob Cook done for the club? Aside from supporting the HPOCA faithfully for around 15-16 years and all of the administrations, up to this one, I\'m not sure! Like you,I\'ve been here only a short while myself so I can\'t say that I have done much, but I will be involved in the future of the HPOCA, count on it.\r\nSince you are new and aren\'t allowed to run for office for two years, what have you done for the HPOCA? What is your agenda? I mean besides Heckeling the Hecklers.                 Thanx, this was good for a laugh!\r\n                                                                Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','2twlglwt',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4174,987,3,110,0,'152.163.100.136',1098697611,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Since your mommy never','Gave you a name, i will. We shall call you MR ROYALITY . You certainly seem to think your in that group.\r\n\r\nWhat have i done for the club you ask. Well lets see, my father, brothers and myself have been active subscribers since 1994. At times we were holding down 3 or 4 spots on the membership list. I have encouraged a few others in my area to sign up over the years.No big deal. \r\n\r\nI have been around olivers all my life. They are my life. I have owned somewhere in the neibhourhood of 150 of them at one time or another. I have drug em home from barns, outa fallen down sheds, out of gravel pits, orchards, bushes, even a couple swamps. \r\n\r\nQuite a few of em i have wrecked, selling parts all over the continent, helping others restore their projects. A lot more i have got running good enough to drive onto somebodies trailer so they could drag em home and launch their own restoration. A lot more i have spend countless hours restoring myself. I sell some to fund my pulling addiction, others i just store away for my own.\r\n\r\nThats what this club is suppose to be all about is it not, RESTORATION &amp; PRESERVATION. I feel i have made a small contribution to this effort. Of course its nothing compared to one little guy i know down in your neck of the woods. For any numbers i could lay claim too, he could boost 10 fold and than some on the number of tractors he has owned, or the number of people he has brought into this organization. And what did he get for his efforts, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  a 75 minute drill session in a closet to remind him completely just who is in control of the club now.\r\n\r\n What have YOU done for the club. Oh yeah, geesh, i forgot, you cant tell us. You dont need to because your royalty. If you could though, im sure you would begin by replacing restoration and preservation with CONTROL AND MANIPULATION.\r\n\r\n  You could tell us how ya got rid of Ollie and his group. Than ya could tell us how ya got rid of Sherry. And than out with Landis. Than once you  realized how easy all that was ya figured, why stop now, lets rid ourselves of every last soul who even breathed a word of support for the whole lot of them. Hmmmmmmmmmmm Lets see, we can ignore them with an arrogant brush off, send in some animated gophers to agitiate and humiliate them all into spoutin off in the forum. Than we can slide in a new rule or two that enables us to just kick em out once and for all. And on and on eh!!!\r\n\r\nThats what this is all about, right. Control and Manipulation. Your all just gonna do whatever it takes to make absolutely sure you never come up with egg on your faces again like you did with that #3 project.\r\n\r\n  Cant say as i blame ya all!!!!  It musta been some aweful embarrassing.\r\n\r\nWell thats all for me Mr Royality. If you care to respond, make it to the general forum, cause im not responding anymore to ficticious characters like you. \r\n\r\nI shall consider myself another casuality to your Schaefer cleansing and remain outside were i guess i belong.\r\n\r\n\r\nBob Cook','',0,'gA==','3upbrkd0',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4175,987,3,707,0,'209.143.37.166',1098706402,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','This is better than Comedy Central!!!\r\n\r\n\r\nKing Stealth\r\n#F117A','',0,'gA==','15sg3o7h',1,0,'',707,0,0),(4176,987,3,10611,0,'209.153.159.218',1098719674,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Oliver 60,\r\n\r\nAny post on this forum that doesn\'t have a name with it is just causing trouble. If you don\'t want to sign your name that\'s fine. But please stay out of the discussion if you don\'t want to put your name with what you have to say.\r\n\r\nCheck your PM inbox for more on this.','',0,'gA==','3m1xz10u',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4177,987,3,116,0,'66.71.199.112',1098744587,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','hey Chris,\r\n    good job, you control this forum, glad you stood up for the rules.\r\n  since HPOCA forum went members only i haven\'t seen anything on YT about our club politics. keep up the good work.\r\n                                             Todd Kline','',0,'gA==','h4pe8kxe',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4179,987,3,238,0,'152.163.100.14',1098758601,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\nBravo! I appreciate your handleing the situation.\r\nThe language we speak is a great tool. It can solve problems, avert wars, explain circumstances and sooth souls, but misused and the exact opposite is a probability. \r\nI\'m as guilty as anyone, throughout my life of \"putting the mouth in gear before fully engaging the brain\". Unfortunatley. And I regret all those times I can remember. \r\nAt first, I wasn\'t sure about closing this forum to the public. It seems to be working very well to have a place where HPOCA members can post their opinions and discuss what we individually believe is for the betterment of the club. Antagonism has no winners.\r\nThanx again for stepping in.                                  Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','1yck9y0h',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4180,987,3,88,0,'4.155.69.74',1098758969,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','To Chris: I appreciate your handling of the situation. Maybe this will help to make the discussions here more meaningful. \r\n\r\nJust a suggestion,,,,since you have to be a member to post here, and all members have a profile,,,,could you make it a requirement to have members names shown on the profile? Does anyone else think this is a good idea? It could eliminate a lot of this if we had that.','',0,'gA==','6imta1jz',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4181,987,3,614,0,'205.188.116.84',1098764275,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','THank you  Chris...  something needed to be done.\r\n\r\nOnly thing I hope is that  all sides will come and  talk now.. and be open about  things..  not  hide like some were  and  are doing.\r\n\r\nTHANK YOU!','',0,'gA==','3ezubo1g',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4182,987,3,465,0,'4.225.95.242',1098812324,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','out the suckers','Chris, \r\n As moderator I think should out those who continue the inflammatory posts. I think we should know if members are using multiple screen names. Wouldn\'t surprise me if it were relatives of the BOD.\r\n\r\n Good thing I\'m not holding me breath on an answer from them. No email yet. guess I\'m still free to post here.','',0,'gA==','1rso8x7b',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4183,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1098836301,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Wow, the language...','Well, isn\'t this nice.  I decide to pop on the HPOCA site tonight and what do I see but Larry Coltrin and the renegades trashing me again.  Kinda interesting that you talk out of both sides of your mouths...trash me on one side, then thank Chris for giving Oliver 60 a talking to.  Pretty much shows the Renegade culture if you ask me!\r\n\r\nWhat\'s sad is that you know my username, and you still trash me for posting as Oliver 60.  Now, if I did that to you guys, you\'d be in an uproar.  But, it\'s just fine if you dish it out, isn\'t it?  Grow up.\r\n\r\n[quote=&quot;Keith M.&quot;:1yllos4b]Chris, \n As moderator I think should out those who continue the inflammatory posts. I think we should know if members are using multiple screen names. [/quote:1yllos4b]\r\n\r\nI agree, Keith.  I think it would be great to give them a little of their own medicine.','',0,'gA==','1yllos4b',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4184,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1098836884,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Time working in the trenches...','[quote=&quot;39LC&quot;:2ix4whae]Your ID says you joined 9/21/04. [/quote:2ix4whae]\r\n\r\nJust a clarification, Larry.  I\'ve been with this club, my club, the HPOCA since its inception.  That would be the first meetings to get \'er started, the \"first shows\" in Indiana, Iowa, and Ohio, and practically every show and get-together since then.  I\'m not a newbie such as yourself.  \r\n\r\nI\'ve watched this club evolve from a handful of members to an organization of the thousands.  I\'ve watched people donate their sweat for the good of the organization, and I\'ve watched people who were only here to make as much money as they could off the members.\r\n\r\nSome come and stay, some come and go.  But, the club has, and will continue.','',0,'gA==','2ix4whae',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4185,987,3,12,0,'69.128.201.138',1098839141,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','You missed Larry\'s point','His point was that who ever oliver60 is, they had been to this site before you had to register to use this forum. He assumed it could be you because of the use of the quotes in the posts exactly like yours. \r\n\r\nThese posts that do nothing to resolve issues only serve to egg others on.\r\n\r\n I have been a member for several years and plan to be for some time. It shouldn\'t matter if you\'ve been a member 6 months or 6 years, each has an equal right to ask questions and voice their opinions.\r\n\r\nJohn Hume #3527.','',0,'gA==','1xpeym5p',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4186,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1098841417,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: You missed Larry\'s point','[quote=&quot;Wrenchbender&quot;:qz8zonwa]His point was that who ever oliver60 is, they had been to this site before you had to register to use this forum. He assumed it could be you because of the use of the quotes in the posts exactly like yours. [/quote:qz8zonwa]\r\n\r\nWhether Oliver60 had been registered before or after the \"closing of the HPOCA forum\" is irrelevant.  ALL members were validated by Chris before being allowed access.\r\n\r\nAnd you\'re doing a great job of definding Larry, but you\'re missing the point.  He did not \"assume it could be me\", he flat out accused me.  No mumbling around this one.  He spent a whole page trashing me...really nice thing to open up, eh?\r\n\r\nAnd since when is the usage of quotes limited to me.  I\'ve seen several users effectively use quotes.  The button is easy to find...even easier to use...why do I get blamed when someone harasses the Renegades with quotes?!?\r\n\r\nAnd now, back to the point.  The Renegades talk about how they\'ll reform the club leadership and all, but still persist to trash me whenever they get a chance.  Sure looks like two-sided garbage to me.  They\'re not interested in making things better, just in being in charge so they can trash the members as they wish.  The Renegades are no better than the stories they propose on their rivals now.  That\'s not leadership.','',0,'gA==','qz8zonwa',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4187,991,1,187,0,'12.215.106.87',1098842464,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','tractor cover','i was just kinda curious, ya know how they have custom fit car covers with elastic and all that?  Do they make such a thing for a tractor?  I would really like one seems how my bed sheets keep falling off.','',0,'gA==','1541ob6f',1,0,'',187,0,0),(4188,987,3,614,0,'64.12.116.67',1098844940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','NOW HOLD ON  THERE!      I recall several times beeing called  Renagades just for asking questions about actions.   then never getting any answeres.  Just  Harrasment about   \"not going along with the flow\"\r\n \" making things better\"   and  other such posts.   You have a right to your opinion  but you have been the one trashing the renagages as much as  you have been trashed.   \r\n\r\nThere are some changes needing to be made because no one at the top will be honest about anything.   I read  emails  that said   Questions would be answered if they would be asked.  I read the list of questions.   no answer.\r\nI read  then that  ALL QUESTIONS were answered.   I think someone lied.\r\n\r\nand I  DONT MIND TRASHING LIES.','',0,'gA==','lax15d91',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4189,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1098846956,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Whooooooah, nellie...','[quote=&quot;edchainsaw&quot;:3o0rujvr]NOW HOLD ON  THERE!    [/quote:3o0rujvr]...OK, holding.  Can I let go now?  \n\n[quote=&quot;edchainsaw&quot;:3o0rujvr]I recall several times beeing called  Renagades just for asking questions about actions. [/quote:3o0rujvr]\n\nYou\'re called Renegades because that\'s the name you created for yourselves.  Not my moniker, yours.  Now, if I made up a name for you...\n\n[quote=&quot;edchainsaw&quot;:3o0rujvr]Just  Harrasment about   \"not going along with the flow\" \" making things better\"   and  other such posts.[/quote:3o0rujvr]\n\nThis isn\'t about not going along with the flow.  It\'s about you making fools out of yourselves, by trying to discredit the leadership...and it\'s working.\n\n[quote=&quot;edchainsaw&quot;:3o0rujvr]You have a right to your opinion...[/quote:3o0rujvr]\n\nApparently not without your trashing...\n\n[quote=&quot;edchainsaw&quot;:3o0rujvr]but you have been the one trashing the renagages as much as  you have been trashed.[/quote:3o0rujvr]\n\nWrong there, Ed.  Anytime I had replied to your ridiculous claims, I have addressed you...or whoever I was conversing with.  I never accused someone of being someone else.  The fact that you even brought me into this shows that you really don\'t know who you\'re talking with, what the issue really is, or what the resolution might be.  You\'re just blowing off at the head...\n\n[quote=&quot;edchainsaw&quot;:3o0rujvr]I read  emails  that said   Questions would be answered if they would be asked.  I read the list of questions.   no answer.\nI read  then that  ALL QUESTIONS were answered.   I think someone lied.\n\nand I  DONT MIND TRASHING LIES.[/quote:3o0rujvr]\n\nOK, who lied here?  From what I\'ve seen on this site, several people have made the effort to ask their questions in a polite and civil manner, and they have received their answers.  However, if trashing people on the internet is your way of getting along...you\'ve got a lot to learn about people.\n\n[quote=&quot;edchainsaw&quot;:3o0rujvr]I read  then that  ALL QUESTIONS were answered.   I think someone lied.\n\nand I  DONT MIND TRASHING LIES.[/quote:3o0rujvr]\r\n\r\nAnd finally, when did I lie to you?  Since the subject of this post is you trashing me, and accusing me of being Oliver60, how did I get involved?  How?  Well, this goes back to the \"blowing off at the head\" thing.  You don\'t know who your enemy is, so you drag me into it.  I\'ll say again, grow up.','',0,'gA==','3o0rujvr',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4190,987,3,238,0,'64.12.116.65',1098850417,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Sammy,\r\nI think you are letting my post go to your head. There was only one paragraph (three short sentences) that made mention of you. That\'s all there was intended to be, nothing more, not a \"full page\". You have my apology for the reference if you took offense to it, although I don\'t see it as \"trashing you\"in any way.\r\nThe ID date I refered to is the date shown for Oliver 60, not yours either.\r\nAnd Wrenchbender was right, I admit that the use of quotes in Oliver 60\'s posts drew me to suspect, as no one on this site uses quotes as adeptly as you do, and have done. After posting those regretable words, I was chatting with a \"renegade\" friend, and agreed wholeheartedly that You were in no way involved as Oliver 60\'s style was much coarser than yours and smacked of a 14 year old looking for attention. Had I thought of it with any importance, I would have signed on and edited that portion out.\r\nDefending what might be thought of as a personal attack, I can understand your defensive attitude toward me, but no one else made any mention of you. I may be the \"trasher\" in this instance, but you are the only \"Basher\" here, by including the \"renegade(s)\".\r\nThe object of this discussion board is to discuss, not argue or antagonise, so again, You have my apoligies for any part of my post that offended you.\r\n                                                                            Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','3tntcn2m',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4191,992,1,737,0,'69.40.53.175',1098871611,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1650 D Head','Anybody have a head for a 1650 d .Machine shop said mine is not repairable,too many cracks.Casting # AC2219021 No luck in finding one in NC.','',0,'gA==','2p69v4tq',1,0,'',737,0,0),(4192,987,3,3,0,'12.2.142.7',1098896693,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Trashing, bashing, etc...','Larry,\r\n\r\nI accept your apology.  It isn\'t necessarily the three lines you type, but the trend that is started.  People feed off of that, start accusing, and then things go bad.\r\n\r\nI\'ll join in if I feel like I can help, but otherwise, please leave me out of it.\r\n\r\nGotta go...corn to pick, a test to take, a kid to raise...be back on when the snow flies.','',0,'gA==','32hb41np',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4193,987,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1098904446,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[quote] You\'re called Renegades because that\'s the name you created for yourselves. Not my moniker, yours. Now, if I made up a name for you..\r\n_________________________\r\nJust to set the record straight, Sammy, Renegades is a term created by Jim Kline <!-- s:twisted: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif\" alt=\":twisted:\" title=\"Twisted Evil\" /><!-- s:twisted: -->  in his unexcusable letter to Landis Zimmerman. Give credit where credit is due.\r\n\r\nI\'m also glad Larry had apologized to Sam. Not for one minute did I think Oliver 60 was him. I know that Sam understand the value of members. Especially a member such as Bob Cook. He knows as well as anybody the best advertisement is word of mouth. Bob through his ventures is in a position of meeting many people  and introducing the club to \"em. \r\n\r\nAlso Sam wouldn\'t do anything to create more problems in the club. I believe that Sam would never write anything as bulligerant as what oliver 60 had written. 60\'s only intention was to create more problems.  \r\n\r\nRemember folks Sam has been the only one who has answered the question \"Why doesn\'t Terry Allen answer the questions?\"   Because he\'s under a gag order. Thanks to Sam for telling us this I no longer ask WHY but I ask HOW.....I have seen a few posts of members who state they have called Terry Allen on the telephone.   They state that President Allen answered all of their questions and explained quite a lot.  Very forthcoming.  I\'ve never seen a gag order with clauses. A gag order is just this...NO COMMENT!!\r\n\r\nSo I ask HPOCA members this...How long can we allow this man to jeopardize HPOCA?   If a gag order was placed on the president I\'m certain it was to protect the interests of this club. By reading posts it is aparent Mr. Allen has no regard for HPOCA or the advice of his lawyer. \r\n\r\nLets stop the gags. Vote for leadership.  Vote for John Hume! <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor   #747\r\n\r\n---be safe pickin\' the corn, pass the test, take care of the young \'un...no snow this winter!','',0,'','3dkxdhvs',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4194,993,4,739,0,'144.139.177.253',1098914681,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','bd fluids','I have just aquired a bd, this was following a long search for a DJXC to replace an expired motor in a OC12.  Only way to buy a motor was to buy a bd with a spare back end and 2 expired motors for parts.  The bd has arrived and it is totally original, virtually no marks, only missing the seat, been in a shed all it\'s life, 20 years unmoved, I\'m it\'s second owner.\r\nBut enough of that, my questions, what engine oil, what oil and level in the injector pump, gear oil, and hydralic oil.\r\nHope you can help, so I first do no harm.\r\nThanks,\r\nBrian','',0,'','3052wj5t',1,0,'',739,0,0),(4195,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1098925065,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Back to the gag order thing again?','[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:3kugvpvl]Just to set the record straight, Sammy, Renegades is a term created by Jim Kline[\\quote]\nNow I seem to remember seeing most of your posts signed with \"Renegade\" or \"Sure, I\'m a Renegade.\"  Whoever made up the term is irrelevant.  You\'ve done a great job of publicizing and aggrandizing it.  If you weren\'t proud of it, you wouldn\'t continue to use it...but you do.  Blame can\'t be set here...\n\n[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:3kugvpvl]I\'m also glad Larry had apologized to Sam.[/quote:3kugvpvl]\nThanks, I think?   <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: --> \n\n[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:3kugvpvl]\"Why doesn\'t Terry Allen answer the questions?\"   Because he\'s under a gag order. [/quote:3kugvpvl][/quote:3kugvpvl]\r\n\r\nOK, now we\'re gettin\' crazy again.  I had to do a little research here, but I think you\'re referring to Doug\'s assumption about the gag order?  Doug\'s assumption, not mine.  Don\'t put my name on it, as I am as uninformed as you are.  I think [url=http&#58;//www&#46;hartparroliver&#46;org/phpBB2/viewtopic&#46;php?t=911&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;start=0:3kugvpvl]this is the thread[/url:3kugvpvl] you are referring to.\r\n\r\nIt\'s easy to read what you want in posts on the forum.  If I believed everything on the internet, I\'d be making millions in real estate and buying viagra at rock bottom prices!!  <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: --> [/url]','',0,'kA==','3kugvpvl',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4196,992,1,627,0,'152.163.100.65',1098928821,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1650d head','Check with Doug Jamison at Shuck Implt in Lawrence Ks. 800-654-5191 I just got a 1650 gas block and he was $200 dollars cheaper than anyone. I have also gotten a lot af parts from Tom at O\'brien county implt 712-324-4871 and the there is jobbersinc.com 215-236-8500 ask for Mark or Jimmy Good Luck Ralph','',0,'kA==','8qiz0hud',1,0,'',627,0,0),(4197,987,3,614,0,'205.188.116.136',1098934537,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Sammy  I am not  making any appology to you for what I said because it was not     ALL ABOUT you.    It was about some of the things you said  but the lies were not from you.   \r\n\r\nYou were not the  POINT of any attack..  but  for some reason you took it we were all after you.   We are  after the truth.  \r\nI feel the club is beeing cut to ribbins.    If there is a Gag order then tell us. \r\n\r\n  If there is not  then answer the questions.  \r\n\r\nand yes your  post  made me upset, because you were assuming and making up things that are untrue. \r\n\r\nI know I am rambling and incohearent.  I  have been picking corn --working in mud  it makes you tired and  irratable','',0,'kA==','1gro8wh6',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4198,987,3,10611,0,'209.153.156.173',1098969008,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','enough is enough!!!','I don\'t really want to get involved here, but I am really getting tired of the same ol\' thing. It\'s been a year now, so I have some questions.\r\n\r\nYes or no, how many have picked up a phone and called a BOD member to get the answers they want? Please don\'t give me excuses as to why you want to see it here. It seems to me that anybody that has spoken to a board member has been satisfied with the answers they received. So a simple \'Yes\' or \'No\' will suffice.\r\n\r\nAfter getting an e-mail from Sherry, telling us how her lawyer was looking forward to what Terry had to say in his President\'s column, is it any wonder that any of the BOD don\'t want to put anything down in writing? If I were in their position, I would do the same as they have, instead of feeding a lawyer. You\'re not going to get the answers you are looking for here. If you want anything more specific, pick up a phone and call a BOD member. \r\n\r\nI hope none of you have to be in the position that our BOD has been in.\r\n\r\nRemember, just yes or no. <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'kA==','1mrf31e3',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4199,987,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1098988621,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','You are way out there in deep space on this one, Chris.  Who told you to write this post. First of all no lawyer cares what is written in the presidents column.  Certainly lawyers have better sources than that for such information.\r\n\r\nSecondly, how long has it been since anybody has asked anything about Sherry on this forum or any where else. She\'s yesterdays news as far as HPOCA goes and is very content with her own magazine. In the list of questions asked to the president there are very few questions regarding Sherry.\r\nIn fact most of the questions are regarding current and future HPOCA and HPO.\r\n\r\nSeems strange that all of a sudden her name gets brought up.  WHY CAN\'T YOU GUYS LET HER GO!!!! and move forward with the club. The more her name gets brought up in such a manner. The more people you are chasing away from HPOCA.    yes or no\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor 747','',0,'kA==','36qxgr8k',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4200,987,3,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1098995306,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','DO WHAT???','Nice \"yes or no\" Danny...way to go on that one.  You have got to be joking right?  I believe you are the one out in space here buddy.\r\nI am going to pull a Yieldmap on you here.\r\n\r\n[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:3ozps0z2] Who told you to write this post. First of all no lawyer cares what is written in the presidents column.  Certainly lawyers have better sources than that for such information.[/quote:3ozps0z2]\r\n\r\nWho told him to write the post???  Are you kidding me?  Do you realize that you just accused someone of something that you know nothing about?  And do you realize that everytime you (i.e. Renegades) do this it makes you less and less credible?  \r\n\r\nSecondly, a lawyer would indeed care if something deemed confidential or information that pertains to a pending legal issue (if there was one...I am not saying there is) was discussed or even briefly mentioned.  \r\n\r\nI have stated before and I will state again...I am not on anyone\'s side.  But when you make posts like this, it does nothing but make you look bad.  Please dont take this as an attack...I am once again trying to help.','',0,'gA==','3ozps0z2',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4201,994,6,110,0,'152.163.100.136',1099011156,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','880 propane','This is a oliver880 i dragged home all the way from oklahoma, totally restored and sold to a freind in Michigan. Jut thought maybe ya\'ll would like a before and after of a rare ollie. I did all the mechanical work, including rebuilt power steering, hydraulics and engine, addin a few pony\'s and Jerry did the paintin on this one. He did a great job, i think. \r\n\r\n[img:1l8dko6h]http&#58;//www&#46;olivers&#46;20m&#46;com/images/880_propane_1&#46;jpg[/img:1l8dko6h]\r\n\r\n[img:1l8dko6h]http&#58;//olivers&#46;20m&#46;com/images/4thofjuly002&#46;jpg[/img:1l8dko6h]','',0,'CA==','1l8dko6h',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4202,987,3,88,0,'4.155.126.118',1099012009,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: enough is enough!!!','Chris said:\r\n\r\n\"I hope none of you have to be in the position that our BOD has been in.\"\r\n\r\nOkay,,,,,,,the poor, poor BOD boys......So why should we feel sorry for them. They took the actions that tore this group apart. And as far as making phone calls to get answers , etc. To me that is simply a waste of time. Anything they say in a private phone conversation would be meaningless. The promises were made to put it in print and be responsible for their actions. Something they refuse to do.  Instead they try to use \"nameless\" people to plead their case here. IT DOESN\'T WORK,,,,,get it guys.........I say stand up, be a man, live up to your obligations, or resign.','',0,'CA==','1hk8ktva',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4203,987,3,614,0,'152.163.100.67',1099012273,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I just  want to know  why its so bad to put   the truth about things down in writting?\r\n\r\nThis is not  about Sherry.  This is about the future of not just  oliver-hartparr collecting; all clubs are watching.    This also has to do with Honesty.    \r\n\r\nNO  one  would have to worry about what they write if it were truthfull, heck  no one said  \"every Detail\"  has to be told because its every details that  are probably the most  problem to remember.\r\n\r\n oh  and Chris  why do the BOD have to have speak to us one on one?\r\nThat  is one sure way to get things really screwed up,  ie:  well he told me such and such.. but he told  JIMBOB  this and that.    that makes no sense.\r\n\r\nPut  the questions down in  writing and stand by it.    again I say  this is nothing to do with the Sherry thing  as I have told you before your doing fine.  It has to do with  what is  RIGHT and whats  not right....  ( notice I didnt say wrong because somethigns are not wrong but just not right)','',0,'CA==','1mxcn0gz',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4204,994,6,12,0,'69.128.201.138',1099022018,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','That looks good! One of my goals is to have an LP Oliver. \r\n\r\nYou didn\'t happen to get that off of ebay did you? There was one on there awhile back, but I think it might have been in Texas. WB.','',0,'CA==','1wuj84w3',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4205,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1099022162,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: enough is enough!!!','[quote=&quot;admin&quot;:288e81pr]Yes or no, how many have picked up a phone and called a BOD member to get the answers they want? [/quote:288e81pr]\r\n\r\nYes.  Just a few minutes ago!!\r\n\r\n <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','288e81pr',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4206,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1099022482,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Lawyers on the loose!!!','[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:cz6nuh6w]First of all no lawyer cares what is written in the presidents column. [/quote:cz6nuh6w]\r\n\r\nApparently there\'s one lawyer who\'s been hired to care.\r\n\r\nNot suprising, though.\r\n\r\nNot much of a case....unless.....\r\n\r\n\"Share the information.  Answer the questions.\" should be more like \"Incriminate yourself!!\"  That\'s what you\'re looking for, apparently.\r\n\r\nSpeaking of orders, did you get your orders to try and pry this defamation of character out of the club?  When did you get these orders?  Who\'s in charge over there?','',0,'gA==','cz6nuh6w',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4207,994,6,110,0,'152.163.100.68',1099022567,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Thanks John','The one on Ebay was in texas, but it was a 770  propane. I did buy that one and have it sittin in one of the sheds, awaiting its new motor. I actually had a freind from Indianna who was going to Fort Worth that week, so i bought it knowing i could get it back a little easier. I have two more 880 propanes here yet that are pateintly waiting their turn for the final make over.','',0,'gA==','jjhdtawy',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4208,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1099022688,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: enough is enough!!!','[quote=&quot;admin&quot;:1yh21tdb]If you want anything more specific, pick up a phone and call a BOD member. [/quote:1yh21tdb]\r\n\r\nThere\'s the distinction.  They don\'t want answers, they just want to keep beating the drum.  If they made the effort to call someone, they would get answers.  But that wouldn\'t accomplish the ruckus they\'re trying to create.\r\n\r\nIn fact, I would be truly suprised if the Renegade crew didn\'t already know everything about their \"list of questions.\"  After all, it\'s been over a year...what truly interested club member could\'ve waited that long?','',0,'gA==','1yh21tdb',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4209,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1099022828,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: DO WHAT???','[quote=&quot;995Lugmatic&quot;:39rqx8ln]I am going to pull a Yieldmap on you here.\n[/quote:39rqx8ln]\r\n\r\nNow that\'s the kind of fame I\'m looking for!!!\r\n\r\nNone of this \"yieldmap is a bad guy\" stuff.  Gotta have a style named after ya!  <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'gA==','39rqx8ln',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4210,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1099023245,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Chasing away?','[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:pk72unwg]The more her name gets brought up in such a manner. The more people you are chasing away from HPOCA.    yes or no[/quote:pk72unwg]\r\n\r\nNo.\r\n\r\nI doubt if any significant number of club members have been \"chased away\" by her leaving.\r\n\r\nSame goes for all this hubaloo you\'re creating.  I seriously doubt if any significant number of club members are even listening...most couldn\'t care less about your \"reform movement.\"\r\n\r\nJust give me my magazine, color pictures and a few articles.  Maybe hit a show or an auction once a year.  Like to talk Olivers with the club members...that\'s most of your membership.','',0,'gA==','pk72unwg',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4211,987,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1099023669,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Ok Eddie...  lets assume that you are right and that the club shouldn\'t have to talk to the BOD one on one.  There has been a winter get together and a national summer show, besides all of the individual chapters\' summer shows that any group of people could confront their BOD member of choice, or all of them at that.  Has this been done?  Taking after Chris, just yes or no, no excuses.  As far as I know this hasn\'t been done?  If I\'m right and it hasn\'t, then I think you are \"in the dark\" at your own choosing.  Its like the man complaining after years and years of not winning the lottery; when asked if he bought a ticket he said \"No, never.\"','',0,'gA==','3qzhg23p',1,0,'',142,0,0),(4212,992,1,110,0,'152.163.100.69',1099028099,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1650 head','I have a good head off a 1650 deisel here. It will be expensive to ship though. I sold  a good one to a guy in Nashville a while back. I dont think he ever used it. Pm me and i will give you his #. Shipping wouldnt be too bad from there to NC.','',0,'gA==','1ayhvflk',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4213,993,4,96,0,'216.201.29.65',1099047367,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Fluids','On the injection pump use the same oil as what you use in the engine. Not all BD engines with the inline pump have the same governor, but if you have a Timken manufactures governor, make very sure it has oil in it. Final drives take different fluids than the transmissions. In simple terms use the same oils in your BD as you would use in your OC-12','',0,'gA==','2kq06usq',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4214,995,3,465,0,'4.225.88.21',1099062912,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Plain City auction','Chris, \r\n\r\n Are you or any of the people in the know going to the Woodard auction on the 13th? I plan on attending. Maybe we could ask a few questions in person?','',0,'gA==','2c99w4o7',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4215,987,3,238,0,'152.163.100.66',1099064687,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\nYES, during the meeting in Madison. \r\nAnd at the urging of yourself and some other members, I will be contacting each and every one of our current Officers and Board of Directors.                                                             Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','3nsps5sj',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4216,996,1,144,0,'169.207.136.239',1099103515,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','rear mounted pto belt pulley','Found a rear mounted PTO belt pulley assembly, guy says its from a 1600\r\nbut the parts numbers match the ones in  my 770 parts book and I took measurements of the mounting holes and they seem to line up. Just want to make sure it will fit on a 770. would the PTO shafts be the same?','',0,'gA==','at1sggjw',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4217,987,3,238,0,'205.188.116.136',1099110998,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris and Sammy,\r\nIf I may ask, why is Terry running for a third term if being a Board member, or club officer is so incriminating or tough?\r\nJust wondering because I\'ve held office in a few NFP organizations and except for the amount of work that goes with the job (if you take care of business like your elected to do) I never found it to fit the descriptions that you both have given it.\r\nIf it\'s that tough, I\'m sure that John Hume would step in on a moments notice and take over, if asked to. And if any other officers or BOD members want to step down, I\'d be more than happy to fill one of those positions. I retireing this year and plan on having all kinds of time on my hands. Keep me in mind!                Respectfully, Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','565mkst2',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4218,987,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1099112362,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Yes, you may ask...','[quote=&quot;39LC&quot;:1o2k564w]If I may ask, why is Terry running for a third term [/quote:1o2k564w]\r\n\r\nSure you can ask.  Feel free to ask....him.  Give him a call, send him an email, stop by his house, whatever.  Ask to your hearts desire.\r\n\r\nWhy would I know?\r\n\r\nWhy would Chris know?','',0,'gA==','1o2k564w',1,0,'',3,0,0),(4219,987,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.143',1099132768,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','The ONLY reason I brought up Sherry\'s name is, it\'s a fact that she sent me that email, (anybody want a copy??) and it showed that she had sought the advice of legal council. That was her right, and I\'m not saying it was wrong or right. What I am saying is it showed that the BOD needed to be very careful about what they say in print. That\'s why you\'ll never see an answer here. And after the way some of you have hounded the BOD, is it any wonder that they don\'t want to respond?\r\n\r\nThe BOD has made their decisions based on what they felt was right. I know all of them on some level or another, and I don\'t think any of them are bad or evil. I can say the same for some of the people that have been labeled \'renegade\'. I have meet with a few of you and talked to a few more, and found all to be decent, good people that are just doing what they think is right, and I admire that as well. Some should just count to 10 before they type. <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->\r\n\r\nI didn\'t get much in the yes or no realm of answers, and honestly, I didn\'t expect many. Here\'s my point now that I have caught everybody\'s attention. If you aren\'t getting the answers you want here, try another course of action. I see Larry Coltrin is going to. Pick up that phone, and talk to someone one on one, and get the answers. Even if they deny it later, at least you will personally know what they have said.  But please don\'t come here and complain when you refuse to use a commonly accepted practice of talking to someone.','',0,'gA==','a0l1tmde',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4220,995,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.143',1099133189,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Keith,\r\n\r\nWe will be there, and I know several BOD members are planning on attending as well. Sounds like a good place for people to talk to me.\r\n\r\nSee you there!!!','',0,'gA==','ow7nxagf',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4221,996,1,96,0,'216.201.29.16',1099145103,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1600PTO','If I remember correcly the gear case on a 770/880 and a 1600 are identical.','',0,'gA==','29uevpiq',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4222,993,4,88,0,'4.155.69.133',1099257417,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Sounds like you need an operators manual. I have one, and can look up info for you, but you might consider buying one. They are fairly common on ebay for reasonable prices. You can also get them from the Floyd County museum.  The originals are best, some of the reprints offered are not the best, but some are ok. The manual (BG) calls for the following oil spec for transmission, differential, and final drives:\r\n\r\n                  Above 70: SAE 60 or 70\r\n                  Freezing to 70: Sae 40 or 50\r\n                  Below freezing: SAE 30','',0,'gA==','2xqkrgoc',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4223,983,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1099266650,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Change Isn\'t Easy','A problem with changing the by laws is going to be those who really don\'t care for the political end, they get their magazine q 2 months and read it, and that\'s as far as they go.  They may not even vote in the elections, but they might, and if they do, are they going to consider the candidates, and their positions? Probably not.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'gA==','1h5w2rba',1,0,'',464,0,0),(4225,987,3,614,0,'152.163.100.65',1099277154,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Re: Chasing away?','[quote=&quot;yieldmap&quot;:2ay0d9md]\nI doubt if any significant number of club members have been \"chased away\" by her leaving.\n\nSame goes for all this hubaloo you\'re creating.  I seriously doubt if any significant number of club members are even listening...most couldn\'t care less about your \"reform movement.\"\n\nJust give me my magazine, color pictures and a few articles.  Maybe hit a show or an auction once a year.  Like to talk Olivers with the club members...that\'s most of your membership.[/quote:2ay0d9md]\r\n\r\nyou know  this is the Problem with the  whole deal.\r\nheck  the whole country for that matter  we dont  care   about the means  just give me  my  ends....    \r\n\r\n\" we can  and we must... do better\" ---Theo Giesle','',0,'gA==','2ay0d9md',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4226,987,3,614,0,'152.163.100.14',1099277311,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','[quote=&quot;admin&quot;:114d4rny] Some should just count to 10 before they type. <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->\n\n[/quote:114d4rny]\r\n\r\n\r\nTrouble is  Chris:  I counted to 100.','',0,'gA==','114d4rny',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4227,993,4,739,0,'144.139.177.129',1099309683,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks John &amp; Doug, I do need a manual, will order one tomorrow, probably a reprint from over here as I have never ordered from overseas.  The BD is running great and doing a little light work, we bought the OC12 to clear regrowth from our property so the BD is plodding along quietly till the OC is functional again.  The OC12 has been fairly knocked about so it will remain the workhorse and the BD will again live in a shed, out for special occassions.  Too nice a tractor to damage, some paint and upholstery work and it will be like new.\r\nThanks again,\r\nBrian <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','17uw2a24',1,0,'',739,0,0),(4228,994,6,65,0,'216.183.132.169',1099369548,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','THANKS BOB','Thanks for posting photo a nice change on this site! Can you get as much power out of stink fuel as your gassers?','',0,'gA==','3nr0sdpf',1,0,'',65,0,0),(4229,998,3,720,0,'12.40.148.19',1099386916,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','meeting minutes','Is it possible to request to see a copy of the meeting minutes? If anyone knows please let me know who I need to see.\r\nThanks Darrel','',0,'gA==','ynz7xbid',1,0,'',720,0,0),(4230,998,3,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1099424886,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I believe you would contact :\r\nJerry Ellis\r\n5628 S Mill rd\r\nSpiceland, In. 47385-9253\r\n(765) 987-7656\r\nHe is the HPOCA secretary\r\n                                                        Good Luck, Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','54lj0wva',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4231,986,1,62,0,'160.36.203.136',1099424989,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver side panels','I agree with the \"look better\" answer.\r\n\r\nWe always had to remove them from our 1948 70 Standard when threshing wheat.  The heat was too much and the engine ran cooler without them.  We also put pure water in the radiator for summer work, as the engine seemed to run cooler.  I know this is contrary to normal procedures, but it worked--less boiloff with pure water.  \r\n\r\n <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','1f4jzwu7',1,0,'',62,0,0),(4232,999,1,632,0,'67.137.85.8',1099542006,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 99 help','I am an oliver collector and I have found the holy grail of olivers (super99GM).  I need to know what kind of problems to look for with these tractors, i.e., engine, trans, hyd, chassis, sheet metal.  What on these is impossible to replace and the most expensive.  Thanks for any help.','',0,'gA==','11qj3zbl',1,0,'',632,0,0),(4233,58,1,614,0,'205.188.116.66',1099614197,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','HEy  why did  this  topic end with me???   come on folks there must be a hundred stories to tell.','',0,'gA==','gak1rl6p',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4234,987,3,305,0,'209.107.194.70',1099618412,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I remember the words of Rodney King after his severe beating.....\r\n\r\n\" Cant we all get along\"\r\n\r\nWe are a club, an organization, an to some degree a team. Why all the negativity? If anything pushes people away it\'s the continuous attacking of people and their comments on this site. Come on guys, this is getting childish. I believe Iraqi\'s get along better than we are.\r\n\r\nAs for getting answers, I got answers to every question I asked, and I did not know any of the BOD\'s, but I got answers and they appeared to be honest. Sometimes the people we think are angels are not, so we move on, not smear their names in open forms. My good friend was laid off form his job of 15 years. The owners of his company did not post or publish the reasons why. The rest of the company continues today and is thriving. That management team is more respected as they showed professionalism and moral values. I guess that\'s why everyone is not suited for executive management. It\'s more than being liked and popular!\r\n\r\nLeo \r\nNorth Carolina','',0,'gA==','2l9bd5au',1,0,'',305,0,0),(4235,987,3,88,0,'4.155.81.142',1099621594,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','A Club,,,,,,,,,Yes,,,,,,,,An Organization,,,,,,Yes,,,,,,A team,,,,,,,,,NO \r\n\r\nA team would never act the way this president and board has. And if it was a team, the actions taken would have been presented to the rest of the team first,,,,,As I see it this organization is here for a purpose, and that purpose is to provide a source of information, a show, and a magazine, and keep the OLIVER name alive and encourage people to be\r\ninterested in preserving OLIVER equipment. I think the \"Team leaders\" have failed  that purpose in various ways. I\'m sure some of you will disagree with that, but that\'s my position.','',0,'gA==','dodwrhl3',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4236,987,3,614,0,'205.188.116.136',1099624834,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','we just  had  an election  and  2 friends of mine were running for the same state office...\r\n\r\nboth believe the same but one grew up with a D attached to his name the other an R.    The one  used  state party funds for  his  adds.  Those adds painted the other as a baby killer and other such nonsense.   THis was so far from the truth  but it worked....  MORAL TO THIS STORY...\r\n\r\nSOMETIMES  WHAT SEAMS TO BE THE TRUTH TOLD TO YOU IN A SINCERE MANNER   IS A LIE!        \r\n\r\nso how do you know LEO?  none of the emailed questions (from this spring)  were answered so there is nothing  in writing   to be pinnned down to...  nice aint  it?  never haveing to  make your  words  your words?   Just  hearsay.','',0,'gA==','2rvvqodp',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4238,987,3,88,0,'4.155.123.102',1099675843,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','It is interesting that those who defend the board always say they have had all questions answered. The only trouble is, they never pass on the answers, not in writing or on this site. They just say it\'s all ok, and move on. Somehow that just doesn\'t satisfy some of us.','',0,'gA==','ota6igb5',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4239,987,3,88,0,'4.155.123.102',1099676095,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','After reading all this again, it brings something to mind: Do you remember James Carvill? He was Bill Clintons campaign manager. He said in an interview I saw a long time ago that \"If you lie loud enough and long enough, they will believe you\". Guess it worked for good ol Bill Clinton, look at what he got away with. Wonder if Carvill is advising any HPOCA members???????','',0,'gA==','1ns9133s',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4240,987,3,459,0,'67.250.226.158',1099677046,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Carville','Yes I do remember James Carville. No, I don\'t think he has been advising any HPOCA members. He has been too busy lately helping run John F. Kerry\'s ill fated presidential campaign. And surprise surprise he is still lying up a storm but this time a majority of the country was too smart for him.\r\n\r\nOliver66','',0,'gA==','164v0bmu',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4241,987,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1099687497,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:3vcsso3v]It is interesting that those who defend the board always say they have had all questions answered. The only trouble is, they never pass on the answers, not in writing or on this site. They just say it\'s all ok, and move on. Somehow that just doesn\'t satisfy some of us.[/quote:3vcsso3v]\r\n\r\nHey, that\'s pretty slick.\r\n\r\nAnyway to address your deal Doug. I think the concern is that when that conversation would be passed along it becomes hearsay in a legal sense. The other concern involves accuracy, while I have no intention of embellishing the knowledge I have gained through these conversations and would make every effort to report truthfully, without a recorded transcript I\'m not comfortable reporting what someone else has said given the context of the situation.\r\n\r\nI\'ll repeat what Chris and others have said, everyone has equal access to the board of directors, whether they seek it out by conventional means is up to the individual.','',0,'gA==','3vcsso3v',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4242,987,3,88,0,'4.155.99.84',1099690891,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Don\'t try to be so clever John C.......the ones who are slick are the ones who won\'t talk.','',0,'gA==','2e1n2z79',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4243,982,1,510,0,'209.41.194.161',1099695728,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I bought a manual.  As it turns out, everything I have tried so far is correct.  \r\n\r\nThe reason it won\'t start is low compression.  It will run on ether.  Looks like its overhaul time!\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'gA==','27damfnj',1,0,'',510,0,0),(4245,982,1,96,0,'216.201.29.162',1099703099,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 55 diesel.','How does it start after it has run for say 30 to 40 minutes? Do you get a lot os smoke (white or grey in color) when you try to start it? Another thing that may be the problem and I would bet on it is your valve recession is out os spec and can be costing you 50 pounds of compression when you need it worst of all.','',0,'gA==','1m37oixa',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4248,987,3,614,0,'152.163.100.131',1099708300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','You all know that  the problem  with this board is  that  JOHN...  they will  go around and  wisper  to   people  whats   going on..  BUT never  will put it down in writting  so they have to stand behind it.\r\n\r\nand You shouldnt repeat what one has told you over the  phone.. that is hearsay  OR   Tainted  information..   what we all want is  Honesty.. just say  WE CANT  TELL YOU anything.. ( but obviously they can  say things)\r\n\r\nSee  they  are  a bunch  that cant be trusted... they can  tell you  John but they cant stand behind it....     is it real then????????\r\n\r\nask yourself  dont that sound funny??????\r\n\r\nIt would to me.','',0,'gA==','24l14ss4',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4249,987,3,7,0,'152.163.100.198',1099747793,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Doug asked why tose of us that had taken the initiative to talk to board members hadn\'t posted the results of those conversations. I think I answered that fairly clearly.\r\n\r\nYou want to know why no one has put any of this in writing, I think Chris answered that earlier in this thread.\r\n\r\nSpeaking of threads, this thread is about why we all don\'t sign our names and membership numbers. I think I answered that too. \r\n\r\nAnother answer, seems like everytime some one post something that isn\'t the prefered line of the people that haunt this board they are bashed and belittled.\r\n\r\nWe\'ve tried, I\'m about to give up. My membership is due in Jan. I\'ll vote in the election and see what the results are.\r\n\r\nFor the record:\r\n\r\nI support the board\r\n\r\nI am against the By-law change the way it is presented on the ballot.\r\n\r\nJohn Schweizer\r\n10009136','',0,'gA==','39ahkhdt',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4250,987,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1099766285,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','You see fella\'s this is what I mean. This club will never move forward until it gets over Sherry. She\'s now ancient history as far as HPOCA goes. Everybody needs to let her go and move forward with the club.\r\n\r\n     I want to hear about the HPO Foundation. Why in the summer financial report didn\'t it show the funds our club donated to it. Why does the club show a profit for the #3 toys? I had the understanding that the profit made by them was to go back to the owner of the tractor, the Smithsonian. There are plenty of things we can talk about!!!\r\n\r\nI\'m not interested in any lawsuits against anybody. All I\'d like is answers!! \r\nWhen all of you can get over Sherry, maybe THEN this club can move forward.\r\n\r\nYou know, this is the first time i\'ve ever debated whether I wanted to renew my membership or not.  Use to write out the check without thinking twice.\r\n\r\nOkay I said my peace. Go ahead Sammy take every line of it and put a different spin on it! I\'m tired of this crapp!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'gA==','fy01cmwe',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4251,987,3,88,0,'4.155.69.200',1099770200,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well, this topic got way off the original subject. And, yes, I\'m guilty of that too. The original question was about identity of those posting here, that\'s all. Sorry Yieldmap (Sammy) I didn\'t give you too much to work with on this one.','',0,'gA==','1q7hq636',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4252,982,1,88,0,'4.155.75.190',1099794384,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','When you say it will run on either, do you mean it just runs while you spray either and it quits if you stop the either? If that\'s the case, you may not be getting any fuel at all. You might try bleeding the fuel system, and be sure you are getting fuel at the injectors. If you aren\'t getting any white smoke while you crank it, you\'re not getting fuel. If you are getting fuel, try a compression test.','',0,'gA==','1mbw5l1n',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4253,987,3,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1099795747,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I think this thread got off topic for a lot of little reasons and it brought up some of the old problems.   \r\n\r\nI want to move on but  if the foundation that  were going to build on is full of  hidden  holes...  will it stand?????','',0,'gA==','3omx099c',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4254,982,1,510,0,'206.183.230.118',1099835156,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Doug,\r\nSorry for not being clear.  It will fire and start using ether, and will run on diesel providing that the block is warm. (Temp above 60 degrees, or use of the block heater.  White smoke does come from the exhaust when cranking without ether, so I think that it is getting fuel.\r\n\r\nJohn,\r\nI have tried to restart after 5 minutes or so with no luck, unless I use ether again.  I have not tried restarting it after running it for an extended period.  I will try that. Perhaps I am not letting it warm up enough.  \r\n\r\nWhen you say the \"valve recession\" is out  of spec, are you talking about the timing gears being aligned properly?  I could not find any information in my manual on setting \"valve recession\", so I am assuming that it means the same thing as valve timing?  I have not pulled the timing gear cover off to check the valve timing yet.\r\n\r\nThanks for the input, guys.\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'gA==','3wqn0t9u',1,0,'',510,0,0),(4255,982,1,96,0,'216.201.29.99',1099849063,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 55 diesel.','Dale: Valve recession is the distance the face of the valve head is from the face of the cylinder head especially on the intake valve. The exhaust can be measured after the intake valves are set correctly. In 1961 Oliver came out with a kit to correct the proble. The head needs to be removed and then the head needs to be machined for valve seats by a machine shop. In case you can not find the correct adaper and a diesel compression tester you may want to take a cylinder leak down test.  It will not tell you how much compression you have but it will tell you if you have rings and valves that are not sealing the compression. Five minutes is not enough to warm up the engine. Questions?','',0,'gA==','3whbdobi',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4256,982,1,510,0,'209.41.194.137',1099864211,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John,\r\nI didn\'t get a chance to start the 55 today, so wasn\'t able to confirm startability on a warm engine.  If I understand your description correctly, then \"valve recession\" is the amount the valve is recessed into the head, which I am assuming is a result of wear on the valve and/or valve seat.  I would suspect that the cure would be a valve job with new seats?  I am wondering if I can take up some of the wear by readjusting the valves, as long as the valve is still making a reasonably good seal?\r\n\r\nI haven\'t taken anything apart yet.  I need to find a 1\" fitting so that I can do a compression check, and start testing for the source of compression leakage with compressed air.  \r\n\r\nThe manual states that I should have a 15.5:1 compression ratio, but does not state what the compression should be in lbs.  About how much compression should I have on this diesel engine?  180? 200? 220?  Just wondering if my guage goes high enough. Thanks for the help.\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'gA==','2004w4dy',1,0,'',510,0,0),(4257,982,1,96,0,'216.201.29.92',1099868588,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 55 diesel.','Dale:  I am in Ohio too, northwest part. On the compression 350 pounds is nice. What kind of a 1 inch fitting are you talking about. Adjusting the valves does not help valve recession.','',0,'gA==','1xlpqdfa',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4258,987,3,614,0,'152.163.100.67',1099883187,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I  think some of you  think I am personally attacking you. I dont want you thinking that. I just want to point out some of  the  falacies that are going around.    \r\n\r\nIf  you think I woulds personally attack you I am sorry.\r\nWhen I get done picking corn  I will  appologize better.','',0,'gA==','io7me8yo',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4259,982,1,510,0,'209.41.194.161',1099916703,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John,\r\nIt\'s always good to meet a fellow neighbor Ohioan!  I\'m between Mt. Vernon and Mansfield.\r\n\r\nI need an adapter for my compression guage to screw into the energy cell opening. The manual says it is 1\" - 14NF thread.  Then I can determine whether the compression leak is valves or pistons.  I am concerned that the prior owner\'s use of ether as a regular starting aid may have caused some piston damage. I understand that too much ether is a concern on some diesels; not sure if the Oliver fits that category.\r\n\r\nI just want to make sure the pistons/rings are ok before I begin a valve job.  Once the head is off, I might as well replace the rings and sleeves, if it needs it.  If I\'m lucky, perhaps it will only need a valve job to get it going again.\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'gA==','zqr6sa6i',1,0,'',510,0,0),(4260,987,3,88,0,'4.155.129.11',1099927990,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I have to say one more thing here, even if it is not the original topic of this discusssion. Many of you say: \"Call a board member and ask him your questions\"... Well, you guys seem to be missing the point of what elected officers of an organization actually are. They are elected to represent and report to the group as a whole, not on a one to one basis. Can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if each member had to make a phone call to find out what their leadership is up to? That\'s the purpose of a forum like this, a newsletter, or a magazine, to keep the membership informed as a whole.','',0,'gA==','308qznxv',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4261,1001,4,71,0,'70.20.143.198',1099964771,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Wanted: Magneto for Cletrac E- Crawler','Looking for a good take out magneto for a cletrac E, with bracket\r\n\r\nThanks\r\nDave \r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dave@easternsurplus.net\">dave@easternsurplus.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,'gA==','1hexcnxz',1,0,'',71,0,0),(4262,1002,3,720,0,'64.255.103.109',1100001700,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','screen name','Chris pm\'ed me saying he has had a few complaints about my screen name possibly upsetting peta members. I have used this name on a number of different forums and had no complaints until now. What if I picked \"JD sucks\" or \"IH sucks\" , would you be afraid I might offend JD or IH members? I offend peta by everyday by eating meat . If you raise any animals for food consumption they don\'t like you either.  They have been called a domestic terrorist group that supports burning and vandalizing universities doing medical research on animals(how many people has that saved maybe even you). And don\'t forget they publicly hoped hoof and mouth disease would come to north america. How many animals would die then? And that\'s just the tip of the iceberg  . When I first registered Chris commented he liked my name now he wants to change it .  So explain to me why I should care if I upset peta members. pm me or post,  I would like to hear your opinion. sorry for the long winded post but I didn\'t count to 10 I waited 4 hours to post this message.\r\nthank-you \r\nDarrel Byrer 4426\r\npeople eating tasty animals','',0,'gA==','1bnt84pe',1,0,'',720,0,0),(4263,1002,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1100015638,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','My take','Actually, I\'m not concerned with your statement about PETA. I do think that the use of the word \"sucks\" is inappropriate in this context.','',0,'gA==','ig7eruxz',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4264,1002,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1100035436,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Here in the northeast there\'s a minority of activists; animal rights, tree huggers, anti-industrial etc. However they are very loud while stating their causes. One way that they \"get their word out\" is with bumper stickers. Some can be very insulting for the thin skinned. They are funny to me.\r\n\r\n However getting back to the subject on all the vehicles toting activists stickers there is also a \"Mean People Suck\" sticker. I suppose because I don\'t agree with their causes I\'m a mean person. <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->  I like that, don\'t mind a bit.\r\n\r\nI had never thought about it until seeing John and your post\'s and so I asked my 19 yr old brother who\'s a better authority of what it means when some one says something or somebody sucks. I believe because of his age and because he uses this term quite often. He laughed when I asked him and said \"It doesn\'t mean they actually suck\"   Well whats it mean to suck then. Does it mean they stink?.....\"Yea, but they may not actually stink though\"  \r\n\r\nI suppose a language barrier still exist....when something  \"sucks\' but doesn\'t actually have suction and when something  \"stinks\" but doesn\'t actually omit an odor. A new one I learned from my brother, Did you know something can \"blow\" with out exploding.\r\n\r\nI don\'t have any problem with your screen name...PETA sucks, stinks and blows and yes I am a mean person!\r\n\r\n\r\n  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: --> Political correctness sucks too\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'gA==','1y12heon',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4265,1002,3,116,0,'66.71.220.163',1100041045,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','not offended','it works for me, doesn\'t bother me at all. They\'re against everything i\'m for.  \r\n         Todd Kline','',0,'gA==','3t1ub1bp',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4266,1002,3,614,0,'152.163.100.132',1100055738,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I could  see  there would be a problem if    PETA SUCKS   was actually someone in the club or    the  BOD sucks  but that aint  what   your sayind PETA.... \r\n\r\nI thought  your  screen name was  Appropriate--- and  true.','',0,'gA==','1itdr1ej',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4267,1002,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1100058613,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Darryl.\r\nYour screen name doesn\'t bother me in the least.  Keep on posting.  And...to those with thin skin, a fur coat will add some protection.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'gA==','18o6o8q4',1,0,'',464,0,0),(4268,994,6,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1100062330,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','Ollie Propane Propulsion','Ya\'ll did a nice job making the old girl shine!  Did the tank come from Western or Manchester Tank Manfacturing in Lubbock, Texas? (It \'ll be on the mfg plate on the butane tank)  I\'m looking at a 1650 propane that a guy drug down from Oklahoma and then painted green and over sprayed with his white. Why don\'t people do stuff right if they are going to do it at all!!! I\'d like a 1850 diesel, but there ain\'t much oliver green in Tejas. LOTS of old JD green and faded rowbinder red.','',0,'gA==','jomdaujq',1,0,'',590,0,0),(4269,1002,3,720,0,'12.40.148.19',1100063854,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','thanks guys','thanks for your thoughts guys I appreciate the support.\r\n\r\nDarrel \r\nPeople eating tasty animals','',0,'gA==','2gfkiw0u',1,0,'',720,0,0),(4270,1002,3,720,0,'12.40.148.19',1100064122,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: My take','[quote=&quot;John (C-IL)&quot;:16p3ce0j]Actually, I\'m not concerned with your statement about PETA. I do think that the use of the word \"sucks\" is inappropriate in this context.[/quote:16p3ce0j]\r\n\r\nwell John what do you think would be more appropriate ?blows, swallows, stinks I can\'t think of to many low vulgar words to get my message across.\r\nDarrel\r\nPeople eating tasty animals','',0,'gA==','16p3ce0j',1,0,'',720,0,0),(4271,1002,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1100090895,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think Darrel would be appropriate.','',0,'gA==','2o2r3mhf',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4272,1002,3,465,0,'4.225.89.46',1100116797,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I find use of PETA offenssive.  Actually I find sucks offensive also. I will not condem your right to use it. just wouldn\'t myself.  Hey I was one crusading for the signed posts. You got the hangy down things to use that name, with your name behind it, have at it.','',0,'gA==','zglyxdsb',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4273,1002,3,88,0,'4.155.129.35',1100125776,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I find that PETA has no problem showing it\'s feelings anywhere they can, so why should someone else not be able to? PETA demonstrates at McDonalds trying to scare kids into not eating beef. I feel you should continue to use the name and not fold to the forces of the liberals. They seem to think they have such a hold over us that we don\'t dare say anything to offend them. Well, they offend me and most of America, but do they care????? ,,,,not one little bit. \r\n\r\nKill em, and grill em......How\'s that for a screen name?','',0,'gA==','yp3ika9t',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4274,1002,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1100127924,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','While I do enjoy catchy slogan\'s I still believe the best way to defeat activists groups such as PETA is through education.  THEY do this, many times feeding people, especially children, with mis-information. There are many farmer friendly groups who are financing and conducting education programs for schools so children can better understand the benefits of farm products. I believe this is a cause worth supporting.\r\n\r\nAlso it doesn\'t hurt to write letters/articles to local and national papers  to debunk accusations made by PETA and other activists. Too many times people don\'t get heard because they only express their views to friends. \"Preaching to the choir\" if you will.\r\n\r\nI recommend to everybody to visit anti-Peta sites. There are many out there. Also it doesn\'t hurt to visit the PETA sites as well to see what they\'re up to!!!  \r\n\r\nLack of knowledge/ education can and will be the down fall of man kind!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'gA==','up1nim55',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4275,1003,1,743,0,'63.232.66.127',1100184141,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','horse drawn manure spreader','I just purchased a 4 wheel manure spreader that is supposed to be built by Oliver but the tag on the left front is missing.  How can I figure out if it is an Oliver and if so what model.  Also, both rear hubs are broken at the one-way ratchets.  Is this common?  Is there a recommended way to strengthen that area on the hub?   It came with good used hubs but I need to cut the old ones out and weld these in.','',0,'gA==','bs413tvr',1,0,'',743,0,0),(4276,1003,1,489,0,'209.7.140.17',1100187814,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','horse drawn spreader','I have a #7 four wheeled spreader and if you can send me pictures I will be able to identify it for you. That is if it is an Oliver.\r\nMany of Oliver spreaders came either way two or four wheeled, tractor or horse drawn.\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:ward77farms@hotmail.com\">ward77farms@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->\r\nBrad Ward','',0,'gA==','24x1mvf7',1,0,'',489,0,0),(4277,1004,6,465,0,'4.225.88.124',1100205833,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','digital embroidery','This is a question for your wives. Was wandering if anyone has access to a Super 55 embroidery file or patern? I\'m not sure what you would call it.\r\n \r\nThere are lots of Row Crop Oliver patterns out there, but have not been able to find a 55 or a 44 for that matter. Hopefully convertible to a husqvarna format.\r\n\r\n Willing to pay for such a file.\r\n Thanks','',0,'gA==','tnwcvz0t',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4278,1002,3,10611,0,'209.153.156.156',1100232106,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','For the record, I do think that Peta is the scourge of the modern farmer, and just about anybody for that matter.\r\n\r\nMy main concern is that when this is all indexed by the search engines, that it could lead to \'retribution\' by those that disagree with us. While unlikely that they will come here, the HPOCA has other business to take care of before taking on a group whose sanity is questionable at best.','',0,'gA==','r7xy5d7w',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4279,1005,3,116,0,'66.71.220.182',1100304581,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Nov./ Dec. issue','I got mine today 11/12/04, haven\'t had time to look at it yet. Don\'t forget to vote.\r\n     Todd Kline','',0,'gA==','3t0l8xh4',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4280,1006,1,744,0,'66.38.93.58',1100306502,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','19504x4 parsons','19504X4 parsons j  i need to know about how to make a parsons cable plow 1950 into a useable fram tractor thanks for any help','',0,'gA==','1slwri3r',1,0,'',744,0,0),(4281,1006,1,96,0,'216.201.29.18',1100311166,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1950 GM industrial','Check your PM box.','',0,'gA==','18eeduut',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4282,1005,3,614,0,'152.163.100.70',1100315411,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','when is the voteing  dead line...    I have not got mine yet and  was wandering if it would be here to late for my vote.','',0,'gA==','2gkpokwm',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4283,1007,3,116,0,'66.71.220.244',1100390602,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','voting deadline','Ballots must be postmarked 12/20/04\r\n  Todd Kline','',0,'gA==','b97sl0cl',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4284,1007,3,614,0,'152.163.100.13',1100408777,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','you think  we can make that?','',0,'gA==','2rpgwqd9',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4285,1007,3,614,0,'152.163.100.13',1100408799,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','you think  we can make that?','',0,'gA==','1rnwj7hv',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4286,1008,1,98,0,'209.51.206.85',1100447658,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 77  $$$$$ 40,000.00','Just saw a Oliver Super 77 Hi Crop sell for $40.000.00.Wish I had 2 of them.','',0,'gA==','2op8shbb',1,0,'',98,0,0),(4287,1003,1,743,0,'63.232.67.139',1100556958,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Update: In cleaning it up I can barely read \'OLIVER\' on the left front of the wooden box and \'SUPERIOR\' on the right front of the wooden box.  I found a picture of a 75 (click on the following link to see the 75 <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.tractorshed.com/gallery/iphotos/i402.jpg\">http://www.tractorshed.com/gallery/iphotos/i402.jpg</a><!-- m -->  ) mine looks like this one except mine has rubber tires.  Was it converted to rubber or is there another model that came with rubber?','',0,'gA==','2ls2x920',1,0,'',743,0,0),(4288,1007,3,614,0,'205.188.116.12',1100574094,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','magazine arived today..    think I will be voting.  \r\n\r\nyou know  I  dont really like  a  club  thats run like a business even if it is a  huge club.','',0,'gA==','22g04v7i',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4290,58,1,743,0,'63.232.65.163',1100634720,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi,\r\nI\'m not sure I\'m \'hooked\' but I went looking for a horsedrawn manure spreader after my wife started to get into draft horses.  Hey, these things make a good amount of s**t and I feel they should be involved in getting it put to a good use.  I looked at a lot of auctions and finally decided to buy an Oliver spreader (I wasn\'t sure at the time it was an Oliver), I liked the design, it seemed simple and robust, there fore  reliable, and the controls were easy to use, it also looked easy to fix and maintain. (and it went cheap)  Oh, it\'s broke, but I don\'t think it\'s a fault of the company, I think it is from miss use.  Both rear hubs are broken at the one way drive sprags. It came with a set of good used hubs I just need to install them.   I\'ll update this as soon as my wife uses it.\r\nCheers,\r\nBrad','',0,'gA==','5k88u2zf',1,0,'',743,0,0),(4291,1005,3,305,0,'209.107.196.40',1100652988,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Nov/Dec issue','Just to say great job on the Nov/Dec issue. I love the fwa article, very informative. Also great for Dean to do the tech-tip on the front axle of fwa. Perfect compliment as those axles can be a concern if not in good shape. Thanks HPOCA, you guys are doing a great job. We appreciate you here in NC.\r\n\r\nLeo Becton','',0,'gA==','1dmegz3e',1,0,'',305,0,0),(4292,1005,3,614,0,'152.163.100.67',1100659469,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','got mine today...   have not read much just looked it over..  its looking  nice..  \r\n\r\nno time to do a lot with it  but thanks.','',0,'gA==','37c8q3ov',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4294,1011,1,749,0,'67.200.153.12',1100747356,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','J Schwiebert 550','hey fellow,took me a little to find this site info is on YT if you could call please thanks jasper','',0,'gA==','2a4g58kn',1,0,'',749,0,0),(4295,112,1,1261,0,'152.163.100.136',1100985082,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Belt Drive Gear &amp; Shaft','Looking at an older posting and saw that you were looking for a belt drive gear and shaft assembly for a Row crop 60. (H-678)  I have one available if you have not found anything as yet.  Email me.  Thanks, Terry','',0,'gA==','jrx09s30',1,0,'',1261,0,0),(4296,1012,1,1261,0,'152.163.100.136',1100987449,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Oliver 60 Parts Wanted','Looking for several parts for my latest  60 project.  Check your parts inventory for Upper generator link, adjuster bracket, (H-1254); Upper air cleaner pipe, (H-402); Set of Wheel Weights, Rear, (H-1235-B)\r\nI have a left side Engine curtain for 60 in aluminum, fair shape so I either need a right side curtain to match or maybe sell this left side. \r\nHave also a decent radiator shell with hinged cover and left side grille.  Several other misc. 60 items including 4 speed frame with stuck engine &amp; F+H adjustable front wheels.  Email if you can help or interested.  Thanks, Terry','',0,'gA==','2ijwx9ew',1,0,'',1261,0,0),(4298,1005,3,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1101140195,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I want to agree with Leo and say CONGRATULATIONS Chris and Becky on a job well done.','',0,'gA==','30kvys44',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4299,1005,3,12,0,'69.128.206.99',1101169895,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','WOW!!!','I just got mine today and that is the best cover yet! \r\n\r\nThat 2255 was an awesome tractor for it\'s time. WB.','',0,'gA==','37xiz95x',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4301,1015,3,674,0,'66.90.210.68',1101399924,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HAPPY THANKSGIVING !!!','HOPE EVERYBODY HAS A GREAT THANKSGIVING--BE SAFE ON THE ROADS---REMEMBER TO CAST YOUR VOTE---GOD BLESS ALL!! <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','62578opr',1,0,'',674,0,0),(4302,961,1,627,0,'64.12.116.197',1101436078,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','line bore','I ended up having to get another block. And .046 is what they took off the flywheel and the funny thing is they didn\'t replace the clutch but this time I put in a new clutch. Yes on button and that is what it had before. About $3500.00 this time and she sure sounds and feels good now.','',0,'gA==','1dkbuy2l',1,0,'',627,0,0),(4303,1016,1,18,0,'70.69.122.128',1101671141,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Feed back on Super 55 Foot pedal start','Hello I\'m making the round of all my Oliver Forums to get some feedback,\r\nMy Super 55 was changed over by a previous owner to a hand \r\npush start located on the left side of the tractor. It is simply a \r\nmetal rod, pushes the starter switch forward, and rides on a piece \r\nof small pipe welded to the sheet metal. Quite simple.\r\nI have bought a used foot pedal starter and had planned to \r\ninstall it as original. Before I do that, I would like to have some \r\nfeedback from guys that have the foot pedal. Is it a problem? I \r\nthink mine was changed because of damage to that side of the \r\ntractor. I had to replace the foot rest on that side. it had been \r\nbent before. Perhaps the pedal had been damaged and this was a cheap fix.','',0,'gA==','1ruayyos',1,0,'',18,0,0),(4304,1015,3,614,0,'152.163.100.14',1101696295,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Well  its after thanksgivving    and we need to be thank full   ALL THE TIME  so \r\n\r\nwhat  were we all  thankful for ?????','',0,'gA==','26k5j1tw',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4305,961,1,47,0,'12.64.102.250',1101820505,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: align boring','I make a point of whenever I have a block out, to get the rods and mains align bored. It is not expensive, and having everything running true is well worth the investment. Most engine shops can do this, the one I use has \'Sunnen\' equipment, which does an excellent job.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','3k3apioe',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4306,961,1,96,0,'216.201.29.43',1101892384,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Lines Bores of blocks','Sunnen makes a line hone, Sunnen is in the honing business. Like I said they are quick and accurate. With the Sunnen mandrels you can do all in one shot instead of moving the cutter from cap to cap.','',0,'gA==','396zdhyc',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4307,1017,1,13,0,'198.234.202.131',1101915745,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','difference btwn rowcrop and wheatland','dad has a 2150 with an adjustable front. does that make it a rowcrop? is that the only difference? the front axle sits back on the 2150 (gives it a wheatland look in my mind) commpared to our 1950 and 2255. thanks for your time.eric','',0,'gA==','263j0z7z',1,0,'',13,0,0),(4308,1017,1,96,0,'216.201.29.214',1101920596,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','2150','You know that is an interesting question. I need to look at some literature but for the 2 wheel drive tractors I was thinking that was the only front end they offered. Compared to the 1950  and I am comparing it to the 2050 of which we sold more of and it is the same front end I was impressed with that front end.','',0,'gA==','2thqw7dh',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4309,1018,1,657,0,'24.154.169.26',1101928003,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','1550 will not move in hydra power','tractor moves fine in direct but when you shift to hydra power it just stops what should I look for? I am sure it is not good Thanks','',0,'gA==','mqhmknn3',1,0,'',657,0,0),(4311,1017,1,12,0,'69.128.205.26',1101946988,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','2150 weight?','Talking about 2150s, anybody know the approx shipping weight? \r\n\r\nThere\'s one at an auction this weekend and wondered how big of trailer to take. WB.','',0,'gA==','3t1xjxs3',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4312,1020,1,754,0,'65.136.49.233',1101956074,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 66 Diesel rear tires','I am trying to locate  a 10 X 38 rear tire for my Oliver. I have checked with 2 of the largest tire dealers in our area and neither have access to this size. Any suggestion on locating a new or used tire. Is their any other size that would fit on this rim. We are located in Western Kentucky','',0,'gA==','1pa6xv3d',1,0,'',754,0,0),(4313,1020,1,614,0,'205.188.116.67',1101959931,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','we had one blow out on our  super66 diesel   and had no trouble getting a new one.   there were  2 companies making the propersize   ( 12.9x38 am I right?)   both were around  $275  ...    firestone was one ... cant rember the other now.   \r\n\r\n\r\nif you ask for a 10x38  you will not find anyone with that..  since  that is the old numbering system.','',0,'gA==','31nxfjrp',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4314,1020,1,96,0,'216.201.29.48',1101981154,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Tire size','I thought a 10  -38 was replaced by a 11.2 or 11.4 tire. Have you called M. E. Miller?','',0,'gA==','2qedu0x9',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4315,1017,1,13,0,'198.234.202.131',1101990993,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','thanks john, id be interested in what your liturature says about the r/c wheatland question, and a shipping weight. the man dad bought his from said it weighed 16k with duals and fluid. we took the duals off and the fluid out. it still has these MASSIVE cast wheels. like the size of about 4 or 5 IH wheel weights. thanks for your time.','',0,'gA==','1rb49l6v',1,0,'',13,0,0),(4316,1020,1,5,0,'216.166.192.21',1101991249,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John is correct. The 10-38 is now an 11.2x38. That should not be too hard to find.','',0,'gA==','16sgh35l',1,0,'',5,0,0),(4317,1020,1,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1102009356,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Hey there CMFarms, \r\nWhere in W. KY are you located?  I am in Paducah, and I teach Ag over in Carlisle Co.  I have noticed that there are quite a few Olivers in this neck of the woods.  I am from the Owensboro area originally.','',0,'gA==','25dgrs4h',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4318,1020,1,754,0,'65.136.49.105',1102013085,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Thanks','We check for a 11.2 X 38 tire. I wonder why the tire dealerships didn\'t catch a tire size change on an older tractor?  Thanks all  for your help.','',0,'gA==','clkj6cls',1,0,'',754,0,0),(4319,1018,1,524,0,'63.167.14.13',1102084003,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1550','Sounds like you may have a wore sprag clutch. In any event it will require engine removal','',0,'gA==','up337gne',1,0,'',524,0,0),(4320,1021,3,163,0,'207.177.76.174',1102129359,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Happy Ollidays','Just wanted to be the first December post since it is December 3rd.  We\'re getting in the Christmas spirit at the Brandt house by having our neices make handcrafted  cards with an Oliver theme.  \r\n It is nice at this time of year to send greetings and renew friendships and realize all that we are blessed with.  \r\n  Speaking of blessings, I was very pleased with the picture of my 1750 Special on the cover of Oliver Heritage.\r\n  What a great group we have, make sure we all vote,  keep the wives happy so we can keep buying Olivers.\r\n  Merry Christmas\r\n Uncledu #10119 <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','24o1gyqx',1,0,'',163,0,0),(4321,1021,3,12,0,'69.128.205.26',1102134867,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Happy Ollidays to you and everyone else Duane!\r\n\r\nI was beginning to think it was the night before Christmas as quiet as it has been on this website lately! John.','',0,'gA==','2kcg0fm8',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4322,1021,3,614,0,'205.188.116.69',1102198647,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I was  thinking the same thing....   but  in a differnt way.. was thinking I  had  run everyone out LOL  exept i saw that most everyone was still checking in  everyday or 2   ...   \r\n\r\n\r\nHAPPY  HOLLIDAYS TO YOU ALL!','',0,'gA==','25emd51i',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4323,1022,1,1271,0,'216.176.111.91',1102206869,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1365 oliver injector pump','I have rebuilt a 1365 Oliver that had been in a slight electrical fire, and it has been setting for 2-3 years. It is all back in order but I can not get it running.  I have bled all the lines and the two bleed screws on the injector pump but I can not get fuel to the injectors.  Is there a simple trick I could use? I\'m thinking it may be stopped up with something or something has dried out inside the pump. I thought I would ask before I take it off and send it in to someone for repair.','',0,'gA==','1m2a46jf',1,0,'',1271,0,0),(4324,1023,1,12,0,'69.128.205.26',1102210539,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','2150 at auction','Well I had a disappointing day today. I went to an auction that had a 2150 listed in it. This auction also listed various other tractors and equipment both complete and for salvage and two wagon loads of misc. So I thought no reason to get there too soon, so much for thinking!\r\n\r\nNearly all auctions I have ever attended they start with misc and wagons and go on to the big stuff. NOT TODAY... apparently they started right in with the tractors and the 2150 was first in line!\r\n\r\nIt was a nice straight original tractor, fender fuel tanks and the Oliver cast duals on the planetaries. HD cat 3 three point. And the price- $4100. \r\n\r\nI guess I\'ll make it a policy to get there when the sale begins and suffer through all the other stuff just to be sure and see sell what I\'m interested in! WB.','',0,'gA==','3qd6o9v0',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4325,1023,1,614,0,'205.188.116.136',1102224107,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','where was this sale and what  auctioneer?    that way I  will know not to mess with them either..\r\n\r\nI saw  a listing for a sale  near chicago the other day--- they evidently had no clue about farm auctions as the  tractors were listed   very funny.\r\n\r\nthe sale has aprox 40 farm tractors.   Among these are;  \r\n\r\nand  they list about 20  but never list  4 8000 series JD\'s  that are in a pic that you can not make out the size of...  then  one tractor says   someting like   Farmall  high clearance with hydo....  and dont tell what model either...    had to be an auctioneer that dont know  about  equipment auctions.','',0,'gA==','10mdp57f',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4326,1023,1,12,0,'69.128.205.26',1102257010,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The auction was at Shelbyville IN and the auctioneer was from Hanover. \r\n\r\nI had tried to call before the sale to get an idea of when to get there and found that his ph # was not in service! I noticed when I registered that the old number had been crossed out and a new one hand written. \r\n\r\nI guess that\'s what makes auctions fun... no two autioneers are the same!','',0,'gA==','1qetyr4e',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4327,1023,1,614,0,'64.12.116.14',1102297895,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','you are exactly right  no 2 are the same.   I know some I wouldnt wish on anyone LOL.','',0,'gA==','2dvucw2c',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4328,1023,1,43,0,'158.247.216.42',1102375741,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','auctions','That doesn\'t irritate me as much as the ones that take parts (mainly sheetmetal) off the tractor and sell it seperate. I\'ve even seen the manual sold seperately for one tractor.','',0,'gA==','30hniguz',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4329,1024,1,12,0,'69.128.205.26',1102429975,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 1855/White M-M G940?','I was wondering what anyone could tell me about the White M-M G940, at least I think that\'s what it might be.\r\n\r\n10-15 years ago there was an Oliver tractor sitting outside a truck repair shop close to here. The sheet metal was off and the engine was out. It sat there for quite a long time, finally I stopped and asked about it. I was told they were just about to put it back together and it wasn\'t for sale. \r\n\r\nWhat caught my attention, besides being an Oliver, was that it had a different cast front grille. It was similar to the grille on a M-M G1355. \r\n\r\nNow I\'ve seen this tractor sitting not too far from where it was before. It\'s been there for awhile now and not moved. So my question is... Could it be a G940? If so, how rare is it? The Progress of Power book shows that they were only built in 1971.\r\n\r\nI forgot to add...It is painted green and has White in block letters on the side panel.\r\n\r\nJust curious, I might try and look up the owner to see if it\'s for sale now, WB.','',0,'gA==','1c10fb44',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4330,1024,1,459,0,'67.250.226.37',1102443233,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John:\r\n\r\nAccording to my Minneapolis Moline book by Peterson &amp; Beemer, the G940 was an Oliver built product. They were only produced in 1971 and except for the MM Grill and the Energy Yellow paint they were the exact same tractor as the Oliver 1855. The one you are talking about must have been repainted somewhere alomg the way after it left Charles City.\r\n\r\nThe G940\'s used Oliver 1855 serial numbers so there is no way of knowing exactly how many were produced. I would like to think that there were a lot more 1855\'s produced in 1971 that G940\'s. It should be more rare than an 1855.\r\n\r\n--Marc--','',0,'gA==','1w01eqdg',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4331,1021,3,459,0,'67.250.226.22',1102447570,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Happy Ollidays to you Duane! \r\n\r\nI have been trying to send you a pm. Please check your messages and see if it went through.\r\n\r\nThanks!\r\n\r\n--Marc--','',0,'gA==','35n2pig1',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4332,1024,1,12,0,'69.128.205.26',1102452306,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks Marc,\r\n\r\nLike I said it\'s been several years since I saw it up close. At that time I didn\'t really look at it that close. \r\n\r\nIf it should have been a Moline, that would be kind of cool to have! John.','',0,'gA==','44fatorz',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4333,1025,3,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1102455210,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Good Member Alert','I just wanted to throw out there that I spoke with Jim Scott today.  Jim is a member of the Central States club that is offering the repro Pith helmets that you see in the magazine.  I called Jim and left a message and he responded quickly, and we spoke for some time, just about Olivers and the like.  It was truly refreshing to remember that you can strike up a conversation with a complete stranger, due to an organization like this.  I am writing this to reinforce the idea that the HPOCA is a good club, and a great organization, and that we must all work hard together to keep it that way.  I know that there hasnt been much said on this topic lately, and maybe sleeping dogs should be left to lay, but I felt strong enough about my encounter today that I felt I needed to say something positive.  Have a good day fellow Oliver enthusiasts...I am. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','1bi7q9jo',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4334,1023,1,614,0,'152.163.100.66',1102457020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I had never seen  sheet metal pulled off and sold  but have seen lots of wheel weights  and  manuals sold that way    and  duals that you know were on it from day 1.   \r\n\r\nwhat I  hate worse  is   a  thief at a sale...   yrs ago  a  great original super 77 / manuals  and owners papers  was at a  sale  in monrovia IN.\r\n\r\nthis  jocky from  Ky  hopped on the thing drove it to a messed up  straight 77  took the brake connector off the super  and drove it back .\r\n\r\nhe then  bid off the   old  77 ( junk really)  and the  guy that  got the super77  was  ripped off.','',0,'gA==','l1sxkib5',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4335,1026,1,629,0,'63.71.120.26',1102618772,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Question about original Oliver Fleetline Manual on E-Bay','I see there is an original Oliver Fleetline manual and binder on e-bay. The ad says it covers the fleetline, super and 3 digit series up thru the 880.  It doesn\'t mention any thing about the Super 99. Is the Super 99 covered in a different service manual? <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: -->','',0,'gA==','2rlbo99t',1,0,'',629,0,0),(4336,1016,1,629,0,'63.71.120.26',1102619018,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The foot pedal is inconvenient if you have a loader on he tractor, other wise it works fine <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'gA==','16nakh6b',1,0,'',629,0,0),(4337,1026,1,96,0,'216.201.29.64',1102624937,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Service manual','The Super 99 or 950 through 995 tractors are not covered by that manual. I do not think Oliver ever produced a Super 99 Service manual. At least I never saw a listing for one in the publications listing. Questions.','',0,'gA==','8t47pyer',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4338,1027,5,10611,0,'209.153.142.50',1102651105,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','HPOCA Photo Barn','Just a note to let everybody know, the HPOCA\'s Photo Barn is down right now. Our web server had to make some security changes, and because of that, I need to make some changes to the Photo Barn for it to work again. I should have it fixed in the next day or two if all goes well.\r\n\r\nSorry for the trouble.','',0,'gA==','1fab9p9i',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4339,1016,1,387,0,'216.68.49.2',1102689843,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I may just be clumsy-but I get my boot stuck on the starter pedal all of the time on our Super 55--look like a fool trying to get my foot out.  I wouldn\'t change it, but the other way has to be more convenient','',0,'gA==','3m3jf82d',1,0,'',387,0,0),(4340,1027,5,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1102689921,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Hey Chris, \r\nI hope to have a few good digi pics after the christmas season.  I will be making the trip up to Dad\'s place and hope to get pics of everything for you guys.  I will PM you when I get it all together so you can put them up for me.','',0,'gA==','3rm2z86d',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4341,1027,5,10611,0,'209.153.159.142',1102712839,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Well, it looks like it is fixed. If anybody finds any problems with the Photo Barn, please let me know, so I can fix them.\r\n\r\nSo far it looks like this security change hasn\'t affected the forums. Let me know if there any problems in this area as well. One other thing I have done is make it so that you must be a registered user and logged on to view the memberlist. This will prevent the search engines, and ultimately, the spammers from grabbing the list off the site and start plaguing everybody with more junk than they already get. If you want to view the member list for the forums, all you have to do is be logged in.\r\n\r\n995Lugmatic:\r\n\r\nSend those pictures in!! There\'s room for plenty more. Get with me when you\'re ready and I will get you set up.','',0,'gA==','xksh7zzk',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4343,1029,1,614,0,'205.188.116.136',1102732274,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','2-180  at auction','I was at an auction   2 days ago \r\n\r\nthe 2-180   brought  6500..\r\n\r\nover hauled  500hrs ago..   just finnished  putting in  gaskets on input and out put of hydra power.     cab  might have needed some interior help --painted 2yrs ago ...   seamed kinda  cheap but since I  had no clearance from headquarters  I was just  beside myself  ---especially since it had belonged to a good friend that was quitting.','',0,'gA==','3kzpoz3l',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4344,1030,1,82,0,'64.85.218.121',1102808651,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Question about M.S. Carburetos','I was wondering if anybody could tell me what the differences are in a #181 and  #374 M. S. carburetor?  I have an old style 88 with 3 and 3/4 pistons in it and want to know which one will work the best.','',0,'gA==','1i1s7d3h',1,0,'',82,0,0),(4345,1007,3,7,0,'205.188.116.71',1102903375,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[b:1k2s9271]REMEMBER TO VOTE! <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) --> [/b:1k2s9271]','',0,'Qg==','1k2s9271',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4346,1031,3,163,0,'216.51.171.185',1102984624,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Being Bull headed','<!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? --> Guys I  know we have a good deal going, let\'s not let politics ruin it.  We have two really nice magazines coming every other month so we can keep up with all the Oliver news.  Let\'s take our disadvantages and turn them into a positive note and let\'s make this club start having fun again. Duane Brandt','',0,'Qg==','36w0puva',1,0,'',163,0,0),(4347,1031,3,614,0,'64.12.116.13',1102993598,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'Qg==','3aclsi1q',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4348,1031,3,163,0,'207.177.76.164',1103168732,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> We can and have more fun. Duane Brandt','',0,'Qg==','3b9d85rw',1,0,'',163,0,0),(4350,1033,1,761,0,'65.119.190.125',1103242882,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 1855 Power Loss','Hello,\r\n\r\nI am having an issue with my Oliver 1855 diesel with hydrolic over/under/direct drive. It is losing all power when challenged with any kind of pull. This could be going up an incline with nothing attached, pulling a wagon on a flat surface, etc... It loses all power and stops moving completely. If you wait for 1 to 3 minutes it gains back power and starts going again. At the same time, the 3-point arms don\'t drop completely either. Am I needing to replace something? If so, what would that be?  Any help is greatly appreciated.','',0,'Qg==','2myezs7e',1,0,'',761,0,0),(4351,1034,6,110,0,'205.188.116.136',1103246904,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','A sad prelude to christmas','Just wanted to express my sympathy to the Ollie Schaefer family on the passing away of Ollie\'s brother \"Uncle Chubb\" Schaefer this tuesday past.\r\n\r\n   The funeral is tomorrow, Friday, the 17th. Certainly not a very nice way to usher in the christmas season.\r\n\r\n   As a longtime hpoca member, i just wanted to express my sympathy to the entire Schaefer family and let other fellow members know of our sad loss.\r\n  God Bless:','',0,'Qg==','2jbuwqdb',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4352,1033,1,40,0,'205.188.116.66',1103248404,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','First thing I\'d do would be to change the fuel filters.  Sounds like she is running out of fuel.','',0,'Qg==','b2dii1ci',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4353,1033,1,12,0,'69.128.203.70',1103254133,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Is the engine losing power or is it the drivetrain? If it is the engine, Bill is right in changing filters. Are you in a cold climate?\r\n\r\nIf it is the drivetrain, it could be the clutch is slipping. Does it stop in all three speeds of the O/U? Please give some more details and maybe we can help. WB.','',0,'Qg==','2890zyfk',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4354,1034,6,12,0,'69.128.203.70',1103254300,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks for the info Bob, I\'ll keep the family in my prayers.','',0,'Qg==','zn6l0nyl',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4355,1033,1,96,0,'216.201.29.113',1103280900,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1855 3-Point','Do you only have the 3 point problem when you have the power loss? The 2 problems are in 2 different areas. If you have an early 1855, you also need to keep those filters ( hydraulic filter and breather filter) in good shape. Gravity works well but you can not restrict the oil supply to the pump. Also you need to filter the hydraulic oil down to 10 micron. Remember the human eye can not see particeles smaller than 40 micron so you are really removing fine contaminates.','',0,'Qg==','7gsofwg3',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4356,1033,1,761,0,'65.119.190.125',1103288144,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','All, thanks for your quick responses. Here are some more details.\r\n\r\nI am not sure how to determine wether it is the engine or the drivetrain. It does stop at all 3 speeds of the hydra-power (over,under, direct) and in every gear other than 1st. The 3-point issue came along later in the game. Could the type or viscocity of hydraulic fluid be a culprit? I am in Ohio, so I get a good mix of weather. Thanks again for all your input.','',0,'Qg==','888hboq1',1,0,'',761,0,0),(4357,1034,6,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1103291505,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','That is indeed sad news.  I send out my condolences.','',0,'Qg==','19bz2rys',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4358,1033,1,12,0,'69.128.203.70',1103292368,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','You can watch your tachometer to see if the engine is slowing down. Try putting on the brakes when it is running properly and see what happens.\r\n\r\nIf it doesn\'t stop in first gear my guess is the clutch is slipping. Do you feel hard pressure on the clutch pedal as soon as you push it? Or does it move some and then have resistance? The free travel in the clutch may need to be adjusted or the clutch may need to be replaced. WB.','',0,'Qg==','19a8pywj',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4359,1033,1,761,0,'65.119.190.125',1103293330,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Ok. I am confident the engine is not losing power. If you go up an incline and the tractor stops completely, the engine maintains the set RPM.','',0,'Qg==','3dnlykyq',1,0,'',761,0,0),(4360,1033,1,12,0,'69.128.203.70',1103294155,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Then I would look at the clutch \"free travel\". That\'s the amount of movement in the clutch pedal before you feel resistance. If there is none you may be able to adjust it and get by for awhile. Check it out and post back. WB.','',0,'Qg==','1ps55iyb',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4363,1033,1,96,0,'216.201.29.183',1103318423,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1855 3-Point','Where at in Ohio? I am there too.','',0,'Qg==','1o3ajls3',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4364,1033,1,761,0,'65.119.190.125',1103319916,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Near Glenford. You?','',0,'Qg==','3f4ch8q0',1,0,'',761,0,0),(4365,1033,1,96,0,'216.201.29.208',1103324521,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','37 Miles straight east of the Indiana state line and about the same from Michigan. Northwest part,','',0,'Qg==','2amj02qp',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4366,1037,1,717,0,'64.252.217.79',1103422424,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','oliver 1255','I just purchased an Oliver 1255 built in in 1970 and need Operators manual, Repair Manual, and Parts Manual for this tractor. If anyone has any to sell or could point me toward anyone who may have them, I would be greatful.\r\n                 Thanks, Cal Innes','',0,'Qg==','2ejzwcyn',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4367,1037,1,40,0,'64.12.116.66',1103464446,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The Floyd County Museum, 500 Gilbert Street, Charles City, Iowa 50616 has the original Oliver manuals (or copies thereof) for what I consider to be reasonable prices.  The phone number is 641 228-1099.  Their e-mail address is: <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:fchs@fiai.net\">fchs@fiai.net</a><!-- e -->.','',0,'Qg==','2og96b12',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4368,1037,1,717,0,'204.60.53.204',1103498520,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Quick reply','Hi Bill,\r\n    Thank you for the quick response, however, I must confess that after posting this query, I was at <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://WWW.Yesterdaystractors.com\">WWW.Yesterdaystractors.com</a><!-- w --> and found all three manuals I was looking for plus for manuals for nearly every other Oliver ever produced. For anyone who has never visited this site, check it out, .......be forwarned tho\'....it may not be the only time you visit there.\r\n                   Thanks again for the quick reply,\r\n                                      Cal Innes','',0,'Qg==','3gedov3o',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4369,1034,6,238,0,'64.12.116.72',1103513064,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I too will keep them in my thoughts and prayers. Always tough, but even tougher around the holidays.\r\nGod Bless them all.                               Larry Coltrin','',0,'Qg==','toe7st3y',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4370,1038,3,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1103516645,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','A time for being thankful','I just read the post on the misc. forum regarding the passing of Ollie Schaefers\' brother. It\'s always hard to lose a loved one, and more so near the holidays. My prayers are with the Schaefer family.\r\n\r\nI, personally have a lot to be thankful for this holiday season. As some of you knew, my wife Audrey underwent major open heart surgery two days before thanksgiving, and I\'m delighted to report that She is doing great now. We are not out of the woods yet but things are looking really good.\r\n\r\nThis Christmas is the best I\'ve ever had and I thank the Good Lord for letting me spend it with \"serial number 1\". After 42 years together, I don\'t know where I\'d find another trainer!\r\n\r\nSo I\'d like to wish you all a Merry Christmas, and pray that your Christmas will be as good as mine. God Bless you all.  \r\n                                                                             Larry Coltrin','',0,'Qg==','29x23wxy',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4371,1038,3,12,0,'69.128.203.70',1103551652,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Glad to hear that!','Merry Christmas to you Larry and everyone else!\r\n\r\nI\'m glad to hear your wife is doing better. John.','',0,'Qg==','180yirl3',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4372,1037,1,40,0,'64.12.116.11',1103553163,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Cal:\r\n\r\nYes, Yesterday\'s Tractors is a very good place to spend some time and read about antique tractors and many other things.\r\n\r\nI knew they had the manuals and I would expect that they are very good.  Can\'t say for sure since my brothers and I have never ordered any from them.  We like the Floyd County Museum because they have the originals (sometimes you even get one) to use for copying and they know if there was a manual change due to changes in the models.  Plus they have the \"build cards\" you can buy for your tractor. \r\n\r\nHappy Holidays.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'Qg==','unowizqr',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4373,1039,5,10611,0,'209.124.32.135',1103641554,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Web site is running again','It took a while to restore, but it looks like I got it fixed. Everything should be working, but if you find something wrong, please let me know as soon as possible. Thank goodness for backups.\r\n\r\nMerry Christmas everybody!!','',0,'Qg==','1t4hkvcv',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4374,1039,5,358,0,'207.201.209.250',1103643393,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks Chris!!! \r\n\r\nIt\'s much appreciated.\r\n\r\nMerry Christmas!!!\r\n\r\nMyron KY','',0,'Qg==','18d8cn0r',1,0,'',358,0,0),(4375,1039,5,10611,0,'209.124.32.188',1103661256,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','It\'s going again, mostly...','I got it going, AGAIN!!!  I figured out that hackers were taking advantage of a security flaw in the forum to change the whole web site. I have upgraded the forum, and this seems to have stopped the changes from happening. It is an automated hacker thing that goes from site to site, from what I have found so far.\r\n\r\nI am re-uploading the Photo Barn, and should have it going yet tonight.\r\n\r\nThanks for your patience, and Merry Christmas','',0,'Qg==','xh3oqj2d',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4376,1039,5,12,0,'69.128.203.70',1103661606,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thank you Chris,\r\n\r\nIt \'s fantastic to have someone who is able \"undo\" the mess that others make!\r\n\r\nI envy your computer abilities. John.','',0,'Qg==','yde3anp8',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4377,1040,1,238,0,'205.188.116.136',1103675165,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver/Hart Parr 70','I have restored a 1936 HP 70 with silver letters/grille and green wheels.\r\nRecently bought a 1937 HP/Oliver 70 that has the grille, letters and wheels painted red. I have seen this scheme a number of times. Is the red scheme right for 1937, or when did it start?\r\nThanks for any help                                        Larry Coltrin','',0,'Qg==','ekurmq92',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4378,1039,5,614,0,'64.12.116.136',1103678108,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Thank you  for  fixing the mess...  now  there is this one fourm i wish I could mess up... got any clues how I can  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->   LOL','',0,'Qg==','2ensex63',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4379,1041,1,717,0,'204.60.213.48',1103755810,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','OLIVER 1255 KEY','where can one find a key for an Oliver 1255 if one were to lose the only key they had?.....This guy I know was transporting the tractor without removing the key and of course it was lost while in transit. I have tried a ton of keys, but none quite fit and I don\'t really remember what the key was cut like. I believe the ignition is original, and all the keys were cut the same......Well, I won\'t do this again.......I mean that guy that lost the key won\'t..    Thanks all,\r\n                           Cal Innes','',0,'Qg==','1wy1lfsg',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4380,1042,3,374,0,'205.188.116.136',1103776885,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','New President.....New Direction','I am very pleased with the outcome of the election and wish John the best in his endeavor.I will certainly provide any assistance to him that will be needed.I hope that this is also an opportunity for others that have been quiet,yet wanting to participate, to sprout!This is our club...members....lets make it the envy of anyone else !!!\r\n\r\nEd Brandt #7589','',0,'Qg==','8bpknin9',1,0,'',374,0,0),(4381,1037,1,717,0,'204.60.54.6',1103845023,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hello Bill, \r\n    I really appreciate your taking time to reply.   I would be curious to see if Floyd County Museum would be able to come up with any info on this little Oliver 1255.  It is a Cockshutt red MFWD made in 1970 in Italy by Fiat. The color is apparently original as I can find no other color underneath anywhere there is worn paint. \r\n    I have a 1987 Kubota which is nearly identical to this Oliver....All the sheetmetal, the dashboard,and much of the engine. Some things are different as there is also 11 years age difference. Curiously, a cousin in Norway has a \r\nfiat and that is also very nearly identical to these two.\r\n   I bought it because it seemed rather unusual and is in good shape, besides...I \"needed\" it !\r\n  There are a few leaks which have to be fixed...an oil seal on the front axle, antifreeze at a petcock, otherwise is good all around.\r\n             Enjoy your Christmas,\r\n                         Cal','',0,'Qg==','20m33z7a',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4382,1041,1,12,0,'69.128.203.70',1103861251,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Cal,\r\n\r\nThe Fiat built Olivers are also the same as some Allis tractors such as 5040, 5050. If you do some searching you\'ll find that there are several other tractors that are also Fiat built or quite similar. \r\n\r\nThere is a fellow in Canada that deals in parts for the Fiat built tractors. His e-mail is: <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:oldtractorsspam@renc.igs.net\">oldtractorsspam@renc.igs.net</a><!-- e --> , take out the spam. I believe that is the correct e-mail. Good luck, WB.','',0,'Qg==','24ym3h4e',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4383,1041,1,717,0,'204.60.207.52',1103883484,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi,\r\n   Thanks for the reply. I was just checking the mail before heading out the door.  Will give them a try.  I may end up putting a new switch in....darn!\r\n                        Cal','',0,'Qg==','14g27zt9',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4384,1041,1,717,0,'204.60.207.52',1103883522,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi,\r\n   Thanks for the reply. I was just checking the mail before heading out the door.  Will give them a try.  I may end up putting a new switch in....darn!\r\n                        Cal','',0,'Qg==','2k08e6pp',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4385,112,1,109,0,'216.65.185.81',1103923218,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','Oliver 60 seat','Just read your Post. I went to a fabric store and got foam 2 layers of\r\n2\". I took it with a piece of plywood to an upholstery shop. They charged\r\nme $45.00 and finished the waterproof cover. They did a very good job\r\nwith the edges rolled.','',0,'Qg==','5g5myrl6',1,0,'',109,0,0),(4386,1042,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1103934162,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I agree Ed, this club can and will move forward now. I believe HPOCA was always the envy of other clubs.  It has been proven how much this club matters to each member.  It is more than just a magazine!\r\n          \r\nCongratulations John Hume.  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  I\'m excited to see what the future will bring for HPOCA as a tractor club for Oliver-nuts and all those between.\r\n\r\nMerry Christmas to everybody,\r\n                               Danny Tabor #747','',0,'Qg==','5zawfw7a',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4387,112,1,614,0,'152.163.100.69',1103944119,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','thats exactly what my  father\'s cousin did for us...   exept we used the old  seat\'s  plywood ( actually it was off a cockshutt 20)  .. and she charged us  $60','',0,'Qg==','1ty7dw9g',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4388,112,1,614,0,'152.163.100.69',1103944136,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','thats exactly what my  father\'s cousin did for us...   exept we used the old  seat\'s  plywood ( actually it was off a cockshutt 20)  .. and she charged us  $60','',0,'Qg==','257eu7i1',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4389,1042,3,88,0,'4.155.99.222',1103952051,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','It\'s a nice Christmas present to us Oliver/Cletrac guys (and girls) to find we will have a new president. Maybe there is hope for this group.','',0,'Qg==','3tfyd9kg',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4390,1042,3,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1104023349,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Merry ( or in old english)  Mighty Christmas all!\r\n\r\nand let us  pray  that our leadership (not just the president because  its not just him that is  our leader)    is honest and straight forward  as we move forward this comming year.','',0,'Qg==','2lz9ap2k',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4391,1042,3,238,0,'152.163.100.65',1104193727,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> \r\nI too congratulate John Hume as the new president of the HPOCA.\r\n\r\nI hope that the current officers and members of the Board of Directors\r\nafford John the chance to implement his own agenda, for without their support it will be a difficult year ahead. \r\n\r\nI am eagerly anticipating a smooth transition, and that guarded emotions and cool heads prevail. This Club, as a whole deserves some \"smooth sailing!!\"\r\n                                                                   Larry Coltrin','',0,'Qg==','3o0h1gj4',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4392,1043,1,1271,0,'216.176.110.164',1104198039,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1365 Oliver','Still having some problems with my 1365 Oliver.  Never did quite get it running real smooth but I did push a lot of snow with it.  Now it\'s back in the shop with no oil pressure.  Someone told me to change oil and the oil filter since it has set for some time.  I hope it\'s not rod bearings and if it is does anyone know the cost for rod and main bearings.  Hope your out there J Schwiebert.','',0,'Qg==','11ebhcyn',1,0,'',1271,0,0),(4393,1044,3,372,0,'66.11.107.111',1104245890,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','westville1','Chris,\r\n   When are we going to see an offficial announcement on the presidential election?   YT had a post or two but something official would be nice.\r\nJohn','',0,'Qg==','36bywm52',1,0,'',372,0,0),(4394,1043,1,96,0,'216.201.29.135',1104251995,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oil Pressure or the lack thereof?','Have you put a gauge on it or are you going by the idiot light?','',0,'Qg==','2ws3czjs',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4395,1043,1,1271,0,'216.176.109.73',1104254499,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1365 Oliver','We put a gauge on it and both werre showing no pressure.  I\'ve tore in to and have found the tinniest piece of metal shaving holding the oil pump valve open so it is bypassing.  We hope this is the problem although we\'re not sure where it came from.  Almost looks like a metal thread. I have also notice a tingling sound in the clutch area.  I opened the inspection plate and notice what appears to be a large washer hanging on the shaft between the clutch fingers and the pressure plate. The clutch fingers are pressing on the bearing and I\'m not sure what this big washer is.  Hate to tear it down for this.  It is shifting fine.  The washer has wore some of the spline off the shaft but that seems to be the only damage.','',0,'Qg==','7xqulcse',1,0,'',1271,0,0),(4396,1043,1,96,0,'216.201.29.115',1104277256,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Clutch Adjustment','Have you adjusted both the free travel on the main clutch and the PTO clutch?','',0,'Qg==','whekd3f7',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4397,1042,3,88,0,'4.155.69.95',1104295368,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Lets just hope Terry Allen doesn\'t try to get the votes recounted..... <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'Qg==','1g31e2pg',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4398,1042,3,465,0,'4.225.92.165',1104362016,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Congratulations John\r\n  Hope things [b:mexa3kea]FINALLY[/b:mexa3kea] get going in the right direction. I know you have the best intentions. After the outburst of one board member at the last meeting, I feel further house cleaning is in order. If I read the bylaws right, you appoint non executive members of the board.\r\n  I hope you will appoint members who will answer members questions in this forum. Please use the magazine as the club\'s newsletter. We as members should be informed, not kept as mushrooms. \r\n  Hopefully you will announce board meetings.  Late night meetings in a motel in Springfield OH. after a day long auction, on two days notice, just seemed to be an afterthought by the current board.\r\n  It was great meeting you, your lovely wife and Larry.(hope we didn\'t damage the H/P getting it on the trailer)\r\n  If Danny and Bob could have made it, it would have been a great day.\r\n\r\n Happy days are here again!!!','',0,'QA==','mexa3kea',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4399,1044,3,10611,0,'209.153.156.187',1104369431,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','We got a call from Sparky on the 20th with preliminary results. He said the auditing firm was going to give it a few days to make sure all ballots had been received before making a final tally. \r\n\r\nAs soon as I have an official count, I\'ll post them on the HPOCA forum.','',0,'QA==','2z0141xy',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4400,1044,3,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1104371918,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','you also   might want to post them  in the   NEWS  part of the website  \r\n\r\na lot of whats in that  folder is getting  old. \r\n <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'QA==','11v4it0h',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4401,1044,3,10611,0,'209.153.156.187',1104372427,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Actually, I have been working on redesigning the web site, and I was planning on removing the News page. I think these forums work alot better for posting the latest club news. \r\n\r\nSo while I\'m at it, what features of the web site would everybody like to see stay or go? Anyting new that you might like to see? Let me know here so I can incorporate them into the new design.','',0,'QA==','1eplc726',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4402,1042,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1104377535,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Congrats to John.  I believe things will turn around, for the better.  Lets give John our full support.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'QA==','147cqor9',1,0,'',464,0,0),(4403,1042,3,1261,0,'64.12.116.14',1104421909,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','','Seeing these postings leads me to believe that somewhere the results of the election are posted.  Where does one go to see these results and vote counts?  And how/where did you folks get results?\r\nI concur in that this organization needs to focus on having fun collecting and restoring and strive to get away from politics.  Hopefully new leadership will make that a priority.  \r\nThanks.','',0,'QA==','1t01hhom',1,0,'',1261,0,0),(4404,1045,1,321,0,'205.231.145.136',1104545126,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','660 Compression Enhancement','How much can I shave off a 660 head without having to go to exotic fuel? I want to maximize HP output from pump gas. Will be installing 3 3/4 flattops; stock stroke. Thanks in advance.','',0,'QA==','2o83nczt',1,0,'',321,0,0),(4405,1044,3,614,0,'205.188.116.136',1104613704,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I know what your saying ...  but I do like the  News feature   when its  working  because I dont have to hunt threw a bunch of posts to  find the root of  the posts... if you know what I am saying... \r\n\r\ncomments about the news  in the forum but news headlines only-- on a  head line page.\r\n\r\nmy  opinion  and It aint worth  much','',0,'QA==','2yhgparr',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4406,1046,18,10611,0,'209.153.142.220',1104694276,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Official Election Results','Hello everybody, hope you all had good holidays and got lots of Oliver goodies. We now have an official count for the election, results are as follows:\r\n\r\nPresident:\r\nJohn Hume 224 votes\r\nTerry Allen 141 votes\r\nDean Smith 55 votes\r\n\r\nSecretary Jerry Ellis ran un-opposed.\r\n\r\nThe By-Laws changes passed. The copy I got from the accounting firm did not have totals for this, but I have been told it was by a very large margin.\r\n\r\nIf anyone would like a copy of the report from the accounting firm, drop me an email at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e --> and I will email you a copy.','',0,'QA==','113vbwoy',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4407,1046,18,144,0,'169.207.130.123',1104694892,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','not many votes','Thats not very many votes considering we have 6000 + members.\r\n\r\n\r\nRandy Esch','',0,'QA==','7s8sbe45',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4408,1046,18,614,0,'205.188.116.66',1104716714,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','with that poor of a  tourn out   are we sure we even had an election?\r\n\r\nLOL','',0,'QA==','2fj674o6',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4409,1046,18,238,0,'205.188.116.136',1104720491,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Yeah, 7% insn\'t a very good showing. What is really confusing is that about everyone that I talked with was against the proposed by law change, if for no other reason than that they were to be voted on as a package. \r\nI talked to about 30 people, a lot of them at the Ohio auction and regardless of their choice for president, not one said they favored them.\r\n\r\nI guess that\'s reason enough to not put much faith in straw polls.........\r\n                                                         Larry Coltrin <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? -->','',0,'QA==','mt60kka0',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4410,1046,18,47,0,'12.64.18.199',1104748157,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Actually, 420 votes is above average. We normally feel pretty good to get above 350, which is about average. The highest was 796, which was when I ran against Terry 2 years ago. As I study the history of these totals, some strange questions enter my mine, such as why was that total so far from the norm? I have some ideas, but we won\'t discuss this.\r\n Now that John is President, my major concern is that he gets up to speed on issues of concern to his office as quickly as possible. This will be a hard row to hoe, as there are numerous issues to address. The first item he will need to take care of is the tradeshow in Louisville. I\'ll need some members to help, and as President it is his job to find them, and to arrange to have to trailer stocked/delivered, to the KY state fairgrounds. Then when it is finished, he will need to get it to where it needs to be stored. I believe the WGT is pretty well taken care of, with the exception of getting the needed merchandise on location. Then comes Baraboo, I heard there will need to be a visit payed there to explain some issues concerning our requirements. In order to achieve our goals, I would suggest that our members who are knowledgable and current in regards to the affairs of HPOCA work with our President to achieve our missions.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','3k9vfovh',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4411,1047,3,47,0,'12.64.18.199',1104748983,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Bylaws','From all indications the bylaws passed. I don\'t have figures yet, but it is time to free up the bandwidth tied up by by our discussions on this forum, so that it can be used for more helpful items. I will be instructing our webmaster to do so at his first convenience. I have only one duty left, which is to deliver the original copy to Secretary Ellis, to be entered into the records of our corporation. It has been a pleasure to work with the members and committee on this effort. I hope this work proves beneficial to HPOCA in future years.\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','1rojcq7c',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4412,1046,18,40,0,'64.12.116.70',1104756725,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','When does the new president take over his duties? Does he get inaugurated the same day as President Bush?  <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->  Does the HPOCA have any written guidance as to when one term ends and another begins?','',0,'QA==','2bsxyttn',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4413,1046,18,116,0,'66.71.221.63',1104793962,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','officer duties','Does John also assume the duties involving HPO Foundation? This is position was also held by Terry or is that another ball of wax?\r\n Todd Kline','',0,'QA==','2of3bty9',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4414,1046,18,12,0,'69.128.201.205',1104795090,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Todd,\r\n\r\nIt is my understanding that the HPOCA president holds a seat on the HPO board. So yes, it looks like I am involved in that also. John.','',0,'QA==','3qda1i9m',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4415,1048,3,144,0,'169.207.136.57',1104798473,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPOCA Winter Get Together','Now  that the holidays are over its time to get your reservations made for the winter get together, if you have not done so already,  The dates are Feb 24-27 2005 in Moline, Illinois. Hosted by Midwest Oliver Collectors\r\nInformation, banquet and bus tour reservation forms are available in the Nov/Dec issue and in the upcoming Jan and Feb issue. We have a lot of things planned to see and do, so come and enjoy the weekend in Moline.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nRandy Esch- President, Midwest Oliver Collectors','',0,'QA==','1g4xrjj8',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4416,1049,1,771,0,'12.160.114.125',1104887714,1,0,0,1,1,0,'','Color for Oliver #19 plow','I recently and very fortunatly came into possesion of my great-grandfathers #19 walking plow. As I am new to this I would like to know what color  or colors to paint it. I am in the middle of cleaning rust and dirt off and hope to paint soon. It is in good condition excempt the handles and I have already got some new ones. \r\n\r\n Thanks','',0,'QA==','2dofhy52',1,0,'',771,0,0),(4417,1050,1,772,0,'64.33.182.77',1104957175,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1855 Oliver block','For J. Schwiebert; Here are the Oliver numbers on 1855 block. First set is 221620, The second set is 166425A and then I believe the casting date, 9184.\r\n I don\'t think this engine has an oil cooler but can look again.\r\n It looks like external relief.\r\n  Wish this thing had 4 wheel drive in it. <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->  Does say 4 wd on dash but the hole under it is empty. <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->  <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( --> \r\n Jerry','',0,'QA==','8j8iksi0',1,0,'',772,0,0),(4418,1046,18,116,0,'66.71.220.228',1104969435,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','thanks john','',0,'QA==','j999e7xe',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4419,1051,1,674,0,'66.90.221.152',1104975485,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','2005 OLIVER CALENDAR','I HAVEN\'T SEEN ANY 2005 OLIVER CALENDARS OFFERED ANYWHERE--DID I NOT SEE IT, OR WERE THERE ANY AVAILIABLE FROM ANYBODY ?--JUST WONDERIN\"--I NEED A CURRENT CALENDAR--THANKS','',0,'QA==','1dclfsc5',1,0,'',674,0,0),(4420,1051,1,459,0,'67.250.226.23',1104976778,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Not sure how you could have missed it, we have been running ads for it in the Hart-Parr Oliver Collector, Antique Power, Farm Collector, and Oliver Heritage.\r\n\r\nHere is how to get it. Make your check out to the Iowa Cornbelt Oliver Collectors for $13.75. Send it to:\r\n\r\nIowa Cornbelt Oliver Collectors\r\nMarc Sletten\r\n17537 Grundy Rd.\r\nCedar Falls, IA  50613-8271\r\n\r\nIf you would like to see what the cover looks like go to our web site:\r\n\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.iowacornbeltolivercollectors.org/\">http://www.iowacornbeltolivercollectors.org/</a><!-- m -->\r\n\r\nHope this helps!\r\n\r\n--Marc--','',0,'QA==','1fukodvk',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4421,1049,1,35,0,'68.221.132.19',1104979169,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 19','If I remember correctly the Oliver plows were painted red with natural handles. At age 56 I was a little late for these types of plows. My Granddad sold Oliver products and in the Middle section of TN several tobacco farmers used horse drawn equipment until the late 50\'s. I have several price lists from the 30\'s-40\'s. A 1938 Oliver plow price list has 22 plow models. The list price for the model 19 was $15.50 and replacement parts such as handles cost $1.90, chilled shares $1.70 and main clevis .40.\r\nThese prices were effective August 10,1938.','',0,'QA==','3qsrpay9',1,0,'',35,0,0),(4422,1050,1,96,0,'216.201.29.163',1104980384,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1855 Block','Jerry: I sent you an e-mail. If you do not get it reply back to me with a Pm (personal Message) John','',0,'QA==','y7getp6a',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4423,1045,1,96,0,'216.201.29.163',1104980507,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','660 Horse Power','Have you though of any other pistons? How big is the checkbook?','',0,'QA==','1lwlj91y',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4424,1045,1,321,0,'205.231.145.136',1105052984,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Pistons &amp; wallet','The sleeve/piston sets are new, and I have them bought &amp; paid for. If I should have bought something different, that\'s my fault,but at this point I plan on using them. I want to build a strong motor with off the shelf parts and add a custom cam grind and a bunch of porting and port matching which I can do myself with some direction. I would think shaving the head would be some cheap HP, but I know it can be overdone, too. I think if I can make this thing breathe better, I should be able to get near 50 HP at the PTO. What do you think?','',0,'QA==','1vuo8eh0',1,0,'',321,0,0),(4425,1052,1,773,0,'4.29.214.105',1105089055,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1937 Oliver 70 Standard / Airport 25','From what I can tell I think my Oliver is a standard 70, but the serial number id says Airport 25. What does this mean? Can anyone tell me what this tractor might be worth? It runs great, we still use it, but it needs a restore. Also here is the serial number 301888, can anyone tell me anything more about this tractor?\r\nThanks,\r\nTrisha','',0,'QA==','yhjr3zmc',1,0,'',773,0,0),(4426,1044,3,1261,0,'68.76.242.108',1105108337,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville','Election for President','Chris,\r\n  Is there any news yet?','',0,'QA==','3tmu1wqe',1,0,'',1261,0,0),(4427,1004,6,124,0,'216.79.136.82',1105108859,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Don\'t know about the super55 but I\'d like to find a Super 88 or a 2255 that would work on my wife\'s Bernina Artista.  Any ideas on where to look?\r\nThanks Greg Davis','',0,'QA==','1dmz0p55',1,0,'',124,0,0),(4428,1052,1,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1105110124,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Well Trisha, \r\nIf what you say is indeed true...you have one of the holy grails of Oliver collectability.  And I would be glad to take it off your hands <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> haha\r\nAnyway, in all seriousness, these tractors are pretty rare, but I was under the impression that the reason they were so rare is that they didnt have real production numbers for them since they didnt differentiate from the others serial number wise.  I dont know if they had airport 25 stamped on the tags or not.  I may be way off here.  Somebody who knows more jump in here and help this lady out','',0,'QA==','15f2h57j',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4429,1044,3,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1105110413,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Hey there Westville, \r\nGo to the HPOCA forum.  There is an Announcement thread there.','',0,'QA==','2hc2xge6',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4430,1044,3,1261,0,'68.76.242.108',1105113699,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville','President','I can\'t get in there.  Can you tell me the results?','',0,'QA==','3nwi1hi0',1,0,'',1261,0,0),(4431,1044,3,10611,0,'209.153.142.148',1105128775,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','John Hume won the race for President, and the by-laws passed.\r\n\r\nI\'ll be making the changes on the Board of Directors page soon to reflect the changes.','',0,'QA==','2ycbfnnf',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4432,1053,1,774,0,'24.247.102.57',1105188299,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Light Brackets for a \'39 RC 70','I would like to purchase 3 light brackets for the older style fender that has about a 3 inch lip on it.  I believe the brackets mount on this flat lip area.  I have brackets for the clam shell style fender that were on the later versions of the RC 70. but they\'re not the correct ones.  Hope to hear from someone.  Thanks','',0,'QA==','1k7p1w4o',1,0,'',774,0,0),(4433,1053,1,374,0,'64.12.116.136',1105200928,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','light brackets','any numbers??','',0,'QA==','6ab57myv',1,0,'',374,0,0),(4434,1053,1,774,0,'24.247.102.57',1105215936,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: light brackets','[quote=&quot;NYSOliver&quot;:65sazws2]any numbers??[/quote:65sazws2]  I don\'t have any numbers related to the brackets or to my fenders.  The serial number of the tractor is 224594.  The fender on my tractor is similar to pictures of fenders I\'ve seen of the Hart Parr Oliver 70. They have about a 3 inch wide lip on it verses the smaller rolled lip found on the clam shell type fender that is on the later versions of the RC 70\'s.','',0,'gA==','65sazws2',1,0,'',774,0,0),(4435,1044,3,116,0,'66.71.220.148',1105234115,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPOCA business','Chris,\r\n These posts belong in the HPOCA forum. If Westville wants to know the election results let him pay his dues.\r\n  The idea in closing the HPOCA forum to nonmembers was to keep club business to members only, wasn\'t it?\r\n   Todd Kline','',0,'gA==','s1qwo2jw',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4436,1044,3,10611,0,'209.153.159.158',1105244340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Todd,\r\n\r\nYou\'re right.  I have updated the BOD page, and the by-laws to reflect the changes, so people new to the HPOCA know what the current leadership and rules are now. If they want to be involved, they need to pay dues like the rest of us. \r\n\r\nI\'m moving this topic to the HPOCA forum.','',0,'gA==','2xuxh9z7',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4437,1053,1,407,0,'208.31.40.85',1105283254,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','70 brackets','I have a set of brackets like you are looking for. A complete set on a 1937 70 I got just recently. Since I will probably not put lights on it, I will sell them. As I remember 1 or 2 of the brackets had cracks around the bolt holes. I will have to see.The lights themselves are junk. Call me at 315-945-7828 if you want and I\'ll describe them better/get some part numbers. Good Luck.','',0,'gA==','3iuqyuhr',1,0,'',407,0,0),(4439,1044,3,116,0,'66.71.220.150',1105290311,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','thanks Chris, keep up the good work.\r\n  Todd','',0,'gA==','1lx5vcbe',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4440,1055,2,775,0,'24.224.3.54',1105320849,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Newbie-history','Hello all from a newbie to this forum. This is great. I would love to hear why everybody is interested in Hart Parrs. My own 2 cents---My Greatgrandpa was a Hart parr dealer and sold tractors from his farm. He got his first tractor in 1909. I have some real neat posters and a pasture full of \'trade-ins\'. He took off all the radiators during WWll. There is also the bare remains of a Nickols Shepard combine, I think.','',0,'gA==','12b8y4q9',1,0,'',775,0,0),(4441,1055,2,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1105376192,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Sounds neat!! What kind of \"trade ins\" are in the pasture, and are you interested in selling any of them? Where are you located?\r\n                                                              Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','2cabon2c',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4442,1056,3,12,0,'69.128.205.188',1105414819,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','By-law Vote Total','Hi Everyone,\r\n\r\nFor the by-law changes to pass they needed a 2/3 majority. There was some concern that no count had been given as to know the outcome. \r\n\r\nI received the totals tonight and they are as follows: Yes-312, No-74. With 386 total votes cast the number needed to pass was 257. \r\n\r\nI just wanted to put the information out there. John.','',0,'gA==','1xayowqu',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4443,1048,3,65,0,'209.240.113.179',1105485683,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Winter Convention !','Just wondering if there were any tours organized  to  [Dare I say it here?] the John Deere factory ? It was interesting the last trip and since my son will be attending this time he would like to see the assembly line. We really enjoyed the tour of New Holland plant last year.','',0,'','37bf5dg0',1,0,'',65,0,0),(4444,1056,3,614,0,'205.188.116.8',1105496579,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Thank you for letting us  know..     we  really do appriciate it','',0,'','3s0nzpwf',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4445,1055,2,775,0,'24.224.3.54',1105502495,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Well I\'ll try this again. I posted a LONG reply last night, I mean I tried to and lost it all <!-- s:x --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":x\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:x --> . I think there is about four two cylinders and two 28-44s. I thought I would restore one about 15 years ago and did the serial # search and if I remember right they were all early twenties the newest about a \'24. I removed the spark plugs and filled the cylinders and the crankcases with diesel. Maybe they have soaked enough by now. The 28-44s are \'37s. One of these was the last tractor greatgrandpa owned and the only one he ever owned on rubber. (factory) Before my Grandpa and his brothers passed I asked for the tractors and they gave them to me and even put it in writing. I took one of the 28-44s to my own shop and one cousin threw a walleyed fit :roll After that that same cousin tried to sell the rest to a collector in Texas but my brother knew him and was being told about his \'big\' find south of Dodge,  my brother filled him in on the ownership and he backed off. I later heard that my cousin couldn\'t understand why she never heard from him again after nearly closing the deal. She only married into the family and never really farmed the land. I still dream of restoring one someday. My brother has several nice madison-kipp oilers and NOS parts for them. We found the glass piece that fits into the top still wrapped in the shipping paper in the basement. How much is one of those oilers worth and how much is a radiator?','',0,'','1lqv1kql',1,0,'',775,0,0),(4446,617,2,509,0,'69.87.136.74',1105505312,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','thank you we did a hood from this suppleir and it fit good thanks again','',0,'','p6z11k4k',1,0,'',509,0,0),(4447,1057,2,509,0,'69.87.136.74',1105505914,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','need some help on a 1931 18-27 hart-parr please','i need pictures or where i can get service manual for a 18-27 hart-parr what i need is that it has two gage holes looks factory this is a 1931 and the 1930 tractor has only one hole and i need help with what the fenders and the floor pans look like any help please also i need a original seat thank you','',0,'','2q77gfr6',1,0,'',509,0,0),(4448,617,2,509,0,'69.87.136.74',1105506038,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','thank you we did a hood from this suppleir and it fit good thanks again','',0,'','ju1fqudq',1,0,'',509,0,0),(4449,1048,3,144,0,'169.207.92.101',1105530841,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','tours','no there is no organized tour to John Deere,  sorry!','',0,'','1d2jq027',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4450,1048,3,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1105538095,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Thats a shame really.  I know, I know....the wrong green. <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->\r\nBut I will say that having been thru all of the Deere tours there, they do an EXCELLENT job of showing you exactly how one of those tractors or combines or planter or whatever tour you are on goes together.  Yeah you have to put up with the blatant Deereisms thrown into your face repetitively, but I guess thats life.  CanadaGrant, or anyone else, I would highly recommend going ahead and trying to see it, because it is worth it.','',0,'','d4yumduq',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4452,1059,1,778,0,'24.91.181.217',1105545955,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Need info on 750 front mount cultivator','Hi, I just bought a Model 750 front mount four row cultivator.  I believe these were made in the 1960s to mount on Hundred series Olivers.  It seems to be complete.  Unfortunately, I don\'t know exactly how it mounts on the tractor, and I may be missing some mounting brackets that would be bolted to the tractor.  Does anyone have any experince with these cultivators, and how they mount?  I would like to use this cultivator on an 1850 that I have this summer.  I would like to buy a parts/operators manual for this, or anything that has a clear picture one of these cultivators mounted.\r\n\r\nThanks!','',0,'','3anxogtv',1,0,'',778,0,0),(4453,1060,1,778,0,'24.91.181.217',1105546099,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Operators Manual for Oliver 525 Combine','Anyone got one?','',0,'','19u5rrv5',1,0,'',778,0,0),(4454,955,1,778,0,'24.91.181.217',1105546522,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I run several diesel 1850s.  I really like them.  I plow with a white 508 four bottom and can go 5 mph, and disc with a fourteen foot disc, though I reccomend duals when doing this in soft, plowed ground.','',0,'','3bkgztvv',1,0,'',778,0,0),(4455,1061,3,88,0,'4.155.129.126',1105549109,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Magazine arrived today.','My HPOCA magazine arrived today. I\'m  disappointed to see no articles regarding Cletracs. Any plans for Cletrac articles in upcoming editions?','',0,'','1km7g6os',1,0,'',88,0,0),(4456,617,2,96,0,'216.201.29.48',1105575650,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','18-27 Rowcrop','Why did you say that it is a 1930 or even 1931 if it has dual front wheel?','',0,'','372ezif2',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4457,1062,4,777,0,'67.241.28.127',1105585938,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','General Tracor Engine','<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->  <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: --> I have a general setting in my shed but do not have the right engine for it I would like to get the right engine I believe it should have a hercules IXA what I have is an IXB3-SL.Any help finding one stuck or not would be appreciated. <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) --> \r\n       THANKS SteveS','',0,'','70ilkkqd',1,0,'',777,0,0),(4458,1048,3,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1105589961,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I got  plans  to go  and  if someone could put together   a  tour-- -  on the outside of the  clubs efforts (not to say they  didnt do a great job or the best they can)   I know JD might even have  not had room to get a tour in  at the time  when they could get  a  person or 2  in.','',0,'','bijvmo6w',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4459,1061,3,10611,0,'209.153.142.59',1105589981,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I\'ll be the first to admit that I\'m not a Cletrac expert, so this area depends on the knowledge of others. We do have an article in the wings from a member about the MG-1 Cletrac. I was hoping to have it in time for the March/April issue, but at this point, it looks like that isn\'t going to happen until May/June.\r\n\r\nWe are always open to member submissions if you\'d like to write something about your Cletrac for the HPOCA magazine.\r\n\r\nAlso glad to hear you got it so quickly. The snow that went through Ohio just before Christmas shut the printer down for a few days. Because of that, there was a backlog that ended up pushing our mailing date back by 2 days. So instead of being mailed on the 5th, it went out on the 7th.','',0,'','2ct739f7',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4460,1060,1,374,0,'65.118.153.61',1105631235,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','525','got operating and parts i believe.....ed','',0,'','20dwg4xa',1,0,'',374,0,0),(4461,1060,1,778,0,'24.91.181.217',1105660979,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks NYS Oliver, but I just ordered some from Maibach tractor in Ohio.  Guess I shoulda looked around a little before posting.\r\n\r\nThanks again,\r\n\r\nPaul','',0,'','2ty1lsci',1,0,'',778,0,0),(4462,1061,3,116,0,'66.71.220.249',1105665790,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','got mine today, 1/13/05. looks good, Chris &amp; Becky have done a good job over the past year. thank you &amp; and keep up the good work.\r\n Todd','',0,'','n23f47p0',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4463,1061,3,10611,0,'209.153.159.189',1105672852,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Thanks Todd.  We\'re chugging away at the March/April issue now. I think everybody will be happy with the number of classifieds that will be in that issue. Now you just have to wait almost two months to find out what they are. \r\n <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','297dcq9b',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4464,1061,3,43,0,'158.247.216.30',1105674317,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','magazine','Got mine today as well. Good thing there is plenty of ice here in Kansas. It gave me a great reason to say in the house and read the magazine cover to cover. Looks great Chris!','',0,'','3noc40bb',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4465,617,2,509,0,'69.87.134.71',1105679189,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','the seral # on the motor listed it as a 31 with duel frount wheels the other tractor seral # is a 30 but has a single frount wheel but i dont have the rim and tire just the fork assy the other tractor mite have had a motor swap maybe i have checking to get manuals to get pictures to get a better ideal of what iam doing i reel built motor got it running good i got a new hood from guy listed above but the floor pans iam still not sure what they look like and i still need to find a stock seat a brackets thanks for your time richard maybe i dont have what i think it is ? i did get a hart-parr book with this mod in it but it shows thr proto type that was built thanks again rich','',0,'','12xuvg1h',1,0,'',509,0,0),(4466,1063,5,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1105709288,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Magazine Cover','Hi Chris,\r\n   Just wanted to say I loved the cover of the latest HPOCA magazine with all the different Oliver grills!  Great job! \r\n\r\nTravis C.','',0,'','1zkrj43w',1,0,'',259,0,0),(4467,1064,1,781,0,'205.247.229.99',1105719320,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 550 Front Loader Info.','The casting that attaches to the tractor to feed the hydraulic lines has one round hole and 2 slotted holes. It also has a plate machined with the same hole pattern with O rings for seals. No mater what I do I have a small leak in this area which makes the floor board slippery. Any suggestions????? <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','2epfd0rd',1,0,'',781,0,0),(4468,1064,1,524,0,'63.167.14.13',1105737001,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','550 hyd.','If you are talking about the triangular shaped cast cover with a backing plate behind it the o\' ring in the plate is the sole seal. Make sure the ring is of the correct size . In other words thr ring should be thick enough to provide sufficient crush to seal oil. Also the surfaces need to be free of any nicks. Don\'t forget to inspect the two plugs that located to the rear of this cover. Good luck','',0,'','2u3faxzc',1,0,'',524,0,0),(4469,1064,1,717,0,'204.60.44.32',1105754416,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Try replacing the O-rings. They are cheap to replace and they also get scored easily which allows for a slight weeping of oil. If this doesn\'t solve the problem at least you haven\'t laid out much time or cash. If they are old, they have a tendency to get hard which won\'t make a good seal either.\r\n                                               Cal','',0,'','3nch47l9',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4470,1065,3,40,0,'205.188.116.136',1105814771,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Ask the President','Chris:\r\n\r\nif John is agreeable, could you set up a part of the forum where members could submit questions and the new president could answer them or have someone else in the club provide an answer?\r\n\r\nI would like to have it so anyone can ask a question (member or non-member) and the answer posted so anyone can read it.   If that won\'t work for you then I would think we could keep it to member only questions and comments on the answers, but make it so anyone can view it.\r\n\r\nAs you once told me, if we want to get new members we have to let people know what the club is about.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'','16ho8846',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4471,1065,3,12,0,'69.128.204.179',1105826075,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','I\'m agreeable!','Hi Bill, \r\n\r\nI can\'t answer for Chris, but I\'d be open to that sort of forum. \r\n\r\nThe one thing I can see with the president\'s column in the magazine is that you have to write it so far in advance that it\'s hard to have timely information about important issues. \r\n\r\nWith the technology of the website this is the perfect forum for discussion and the attraction of new members.\r\n\r\nJohn Hume','',0,'','2ub6tfii',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4472,1065,3,614,0,'64.12.116.14',1105844667,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I like you guys way of thinking....   glad you are willing to   try and answer questions.','',0,'','3kp4jg54',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4473,1066,1,754,0,'65.141.107.105',1105928493,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 77 Diesel- Rings and Pistons','In the process of overhauling a 77 diesel that has M &amp; W pistons.  I never knew M &amp; W made a kit for the Oliver Diesels. But on the side of the piston is \"M W add power\" . Where can you find rings for these pistons/ Will standard Oliver rings work? and How much power did this add to the tractor, a 1952 Oliver 77.','',0,'','uipls1gh',1,0,'',754,0,0),(4474,1065,3,10611,0,'209.124.33.5',1105934208,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I have no problem with it. I\'ll just need to know a little as to how to set it up.\r\n\r\nI can have it where anybody can ask a question, but only John can reply, or I can set it up where anybody can reply.\r\n\r\nIf I set it up to where only John can reply, then there can\'t be a follow-up on the same thread by the person that started it, or anybody but John, So the likely solution is to let everybody reply. Let me know, and I\'ll get it set up.','',0,'','11uvcm5a',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4475,1063,5,10611,0,'209.124.33.5',1105934712,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Travis,\r\n\r\nThank you very much. I spent I don\'t know how many hours working on that image, so I was hoping it would go over well. I had planned on there being more models, but I just didn\'t get all of the pictures taken I wanted to. But I\'m happy with the way it came out.\r\n\r\nA little different subject here. We were in South Bend for New Years, and it looks like the Studebaker Museum is coming along nicely. Do they have a projected opening date yet? I still want to see the old one before they move.','',0,'','12hk8ds0',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4476,1061,3,305,0,'209.107.193.107',1105963532,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Classifieds','Look forward to all those classifieds. A couple years ago, all the good classifieds would have been mysteriously bought up before the magazine ever hit the members. Seems like this has gotten much better and fair.','',0,'','29p5fp7w',1,0,'',305,0,0),(4477,1064,1,781,0,'205.247.229.99',1105979266,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I tried changing the rings a few times, but get the same results. I am thinking about having the spacer machined down so I get some extra compression on the \"O\" ring. If I found someone with a new spacer I would buy it to see if that was the problem.\r\n\r\nCoach101','',0,'','yad0lcil',1,0,'',781,0,0),(4478,1064,1,96,0,'216.201.29.60',1105980294,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','five fifty O rings?','Are you using the correct O ring. Lay the metal piece on a piece of plate glass and see if it is flat. How much does the O ring protrude past the steel plate/','',0,'','349ka3k6',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4479,1066,1,96,0,'216.201.29.60',1105980552,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Piston rings for M &amp; W pistons.','First of all you did not mention what the bore of the engine now is, if they are five ring pistons and what the width of the rings are. Next thing are you going to \"farm\" with it or show it in parades. If you use a chrome top ring you are going to have a good RMS finish (crosshatch) on the sleeves plus be able to load the engine when the rings are installed otherwise the rings will not seat properly and you are going to think the rings are bad and they are not. Questions?','',0,'','305c7inl',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4480,1061,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1105995872,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Your not trying to stir Shhhhtuff up again!!!! Are you Leo? Shame on you!!!! <!-- s:roll: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif\" alt=\":roll:\" title=\"Rolling Eyes\" /><!-- s:roll: --> \r\n\r\nDanny Tabor\r\n\r\nMagazine is just fine Chris','',0,'','1vig5rsk',1,0,'',412,0,0),(4481,1067,1,1271,0,'216.176.108.60',1105996711,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hydraulic oil for 1365','My 1365 3 point hydraulics have a real problem when it\'s cold.  It\'s 15 out now and they won\'t move. I\'ve let the tractor warm up about an hour and they still won\'t move. The 3 point works great in warm weather. I changed the oil and used hyd/trans oil and it looks like a milky white fluid.  I\'m wondering if this is too thick for winter use. I\'ve brought it in to my car garage for a while to see if they will work when warmed up. Wife will kill me when I start the diesel. Hope it works.  Any ideas are appreciated!','',0,'','pa5ltf8x',1,0,'',1271,0,0),(4482,1068,1,780,0,'12.106.228.150',1105997143,1,0,0,1,1,1,'','1755 gasser Distributor question','I have a 1972 1755 gasser. I changed over the points to electronic ignition. I am still having problems with it running and starting correctly. Can someone tell me if there is supposed to a vacuum arm that comes out of the side of the distributor into the vacuum chamber. I think I am explaining this correctly but if someone wants to take a stab a helping please let me know. \r\nOther than this I really like the tractor.\r\n\r\nThanks  again','',0,'','tw4vs7ph',1,0,'',780,0,0),(4483,1061,3,305,0,'209.107.196.48',1105997182,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Not at all Danny, just commenting on Chris\' statement about waiting 2 mos. till the new classifieds come up, that\'s all. It\'s always fun to find new Oliver toys.','',0,'','g18tf734',1,0,'',305,0,0),(4484,1061,3,188,0,'64.255.108.39',1106000527,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Excellent Magazine Chris.   Keeps getting better each isssue.\r\nOne comment for everyone else.  It is OUR mag,  If you have something interesting or knowledge about something, contact Chris.  He may be able to use it.  It is impossible for him to  be knowledgable about everything and write all the articles.  His job is EDITOR, not writer of everthing.\r\n\r\nKeith','',0,'','3um3uoa8',1,0,'',188,0,0),(4485,1061,3,65,0,'209.240.113.31',1106002233,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Its even here!','Magazine landed here today [monday jan 17th] even with roads closed due to snow!! Can\'t figure that one out! Grant','',0,'','3ubcya0k',1,0,'',65,0,0),(4486,1064,1,674,0,'24.155.166.66',1106004202,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','550 LOADER INFO','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> I HAVE SOME OF THE TRIANGULAR PLATES LIKE YOU\'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH--IF YOU NEED ONE, CALL ME AT 903-729-8349 OR EMAIL  KGTEINC#GOQUEST.COM----THANKS\r\nKENT <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','247to68a',1,0,'',674,0,0),(4487,1067,1,96,0,'216.201.29.148',1106008865,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hydraulic fluid','I just checked my book. They recommend 20W-40 motor oil. A little thinking will tell you they pick up that oil out of thetransmission and the pump is clear in the front of the tractor. I always tell my hydraulic classes that hydraulic pumps are not good vacuum pumps. The general rule is 5 inches of vacuum on the inlet side and you can expect pump caviation, not good. That milk color tells me you have moisture and I wonder if you have formed little particles of ice on that metal strainer. If you have hydraulics after being in the warm garage I would say moisture is causing the problem. did you here any noises when you try to work the three point?  Questions?','',0,'','11sr1l50',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4488,1063,5,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1106063591,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Hi Chris,\r\n   Supposedly, it will be open sometime in the fall of 2005.  I think they are pretty well ahead of schedule, so I expect that date to stand.  The construction company is doing a great job in finishing the building.\r\n\r\n   I think Studebaker said they would only close for a month (???) to move all the archives and cars to the new location.  Don\'t know that for sure.\r\n\r\nTravis Childs','',0,'','wefdivud',1,0,'',259,0,0),(4489,1068,1,524,0,'63.167.14.13',1106079128,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1755 dist.','Matt, Indeed the 1755 has a vacum advance. There should be a diaphram located on the side of your distributor with a vacum line running to the intake manifold just above the carburator.  Hope this answers your question.','',0,'','3vdthhyn',1,0,'',524,0,0),(4490,1065,3,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1106088269,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','This is really a GREAT fresh approach to an old sore, and the only thing I\'m \"sore\" about is that I didn\'t think of it first!!\r\n                                                            Larry Coltrin <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','1s6ju1m0',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4491,1067,1,1271,0,'216.176.109.225',1106097829,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hydraulics','Thanks for answering John.  My tractor set inside my warm garage for around 1 1/2 hours after being out in 10 degrees +-.  When I started it inside the 3 point worked like a charm and I had no problems with it outside working for 2 hours.  I hear no noises when operating the 3 point. My thoughts are to drain all the hydraulic oil and replace it.  My book doesn\'t seem to state exactly what oil to use although 10W-40 was mentioned. The shop manual I bought from Iowa states using Hydraulic/trans oil.  How can I get all the water out?  Will just draining and refilling work?  And I wonder how it would have got in there? Condensation?  Thanks for getting back so quick.','',0,'','1ut29b6e',1,0,'',1271,0,0),(4492,1066,1,765,0,'207.69.137.9',1106106574,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','As John said you didn\'t say what the bore was. M&amp;W pistons that I\'ve seen for the 77s were 3-9/16, the rings for a 3-1/2 Oliver piston won\'t work. Tom\'s Agri-Diesel lists rings for 3-9/16 pistons and I\'m sure many other suppliers can get them. They have to know the width of each ring.','',0,'','9fmeqa1l',1,0,'',765,0,0),(4493,1066,1,754,0,'65.136.48.212',1106138260,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks for the replys, I haven\'t had a chance to measure the bore as we have been busy and out  of the shop. We hadn\'t used the tractor in a few years and would like to get it back into service. The 77\'s main work was grounding feed, running augers, and raking hay. I\'m sure the tractor will return to it\'s former duties. Mainly augers and rakings. Will try to post tomorrow with more details.','',0,'','6hj1fpt8',1,0,'',754,0,0),(4494,1067,1,96,0,'216.201.29.23',1106139463,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hydraulic /transmission fluid','Let me do a little checking. One of the Fiats we sold had a lot of moisture in it-different model than yours. I was going to look last night and then the lights went out for about 4 hours plus it looks like this morning. My shop manual is Oliver publication number 432 586 dated September 1973. What does yours say?','',0,'','1871dd81',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4495,1066,1,96,0,'216.201.29.23',1106139807,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','M &amp; W sleeve assemblies','I agree with Cobroller. M &amp; w set were always a different bore than standard and that is why I asked you to measure them up. When I worked in the machine shop part my dealer friend needed one sleeve for one about 10 years ago. He had a used 3-1/2 inch bore Oliver sleeve so we bored it to 3.5625. So if your sleeves are not round or straight that may be a cure. Another thing get yourself a good ring catalog once you measure up yours. You may be surprissed to see what options you have.','',0,'','2usbt2mu',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4496,1069,1,1261,0,'205.188.116.136',1106154383,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Paint Detail Question','Noticed the cover of Jan/Feb 2005 HPOC Magazine the many grilles pictured, Great Job Chris!    I\'m sure that took a lot of work to put together.\r\n\r\n Wondered while looking them over some of the early grille center strips specifically on the 60 pictured and the early 88 have detailed the strip with green below the Oliver.  Was that something that owner/restorers have added? Or was that trim painting a year specific or model specific detail?  I see also some folks detail the radiator flip lid with red in the grooves which from what I\'ve seen might have been on majority of them from Charles City.  Any help is appreciated.  Thanks!  Terry','',0,'','svb6wgij',1,0,'',1261,0,0),(4497,1061,3,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1106157367,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Still havent got mine yet.\r\n\r\nSure hope to soon <!-- s:cry: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif\" alt=\":cry:\" title=\"Crying or Very sad\" /><!-- s:cry: -->','',0,'','13nbbcby',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4498,1069,1,10611,0,'209.124.32.184',1106157842,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','First off, thanks!!\r\n\r\nAs to the grilles, I don\'t know if I have ever seen two that are the same, and I doubt that there was one specific pattern for the grille strip. I think may have depended on who was in charge of that on that particular day. \r\n\r\nSome of the tractors in the picture are wrong, but it\'s what I had to work with. The large background Super 88 has the center strip painted red, with yellow letters. To the best of my knowledge, it should be green with yellow letters, like the Super 88 in the third row.\r\n\r\nActually, after looking it over again, the only ones I have questions about other than what I mentioned before, are the middle two 70\'s in the top row. The left of the two had a hand crank, and the 70 decal was missing. I removed the hand crank, because it would have thrown the proportions off.\r\n\r\nOn our 60, we didn\'t paint the grooves red on the radiator cap, because we didn\'t find any signs of red in those grooves. I have seen original 60\'s with the grooves painted red,  and I think this was the way the majority was done, but there always seems to be variations.','',0,'','152wo0wn',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4499,1069,1,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1106169462,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Chris, \r\nThis is the thing that I desperately want our hobby to differ from than others where restoration is concerned.  As a member of the classic and muscle car hobby as well, I feel that FAR too much emphasis is placed on whether this part was painted or plated, inspection marks, etc. etc.\r\nAntique Tractors have for a long while now been an area where those nit picky details can be somewhat overlooked, and the concept realized that indeed the same job might not have been done the same way from day to day, or tractor to tractor for that matter!  Thank you for saying this.\r\nOne of my fears of people restoring these tractors is that there wont be enough of the good originals left to use as reference guides.  Which is why we dont paint our one or two owner tractors. <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: --> \r\nThe automotive collector groups have finally started to realize this and have made categories for these that they call \"Survivors\"','',0,'','1y1su9ec',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4500,1070,1,781,0,'205.247.229.99',1106170650,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 550 Power Steering','Due to a leak I was low on hydraulic oil and my power steering wasn\'t working. I filled the reservoir and cycled everything, then toped it off again. My power steering still hasn\'t come back, although I only ran it for 20 minuets or so. Do I need to bleed this or am I just doing something wrong??????','',0,'','8lyc0xfh',1,0,'',781,0,0),(4501,1070,1,96,0,'216.201.29.163',1106174218,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','550 Power Steering','If you have a normal 550 the power steering has a seperate pump and reservoir located underneath the hood on the right side. The fill cap sticks through the hood. If yg pump is driven off the back of the generator. Questions?','',0,'','2z62oiid',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4502,1071,1,82,0,'64.85.220.47',1106181723,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','PTO clutch question','I am putting the PTO clutch back together on my Old style 88 and was wondering if anybody knows what the friction discs should measure in thickness.  Mine measure .184 to .192.  Is this acceptable?','',0,'','xre9nuzf',1,0,'',82,0,0),(4503,1061,3,238,0,'152.163.100.14',1106189406,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\nThis is an exceptionally beautiful issue, especially the photo of &gt;ME&gt; loading my \'37 Oliver/Hart Parr 70 at the Ohio auction. Your photographic instincts for picking outstanding subjects are flawless and you are to be commended! \r\nI\'ve had a number of 8\" X 10\" glossies printed up that I will bring to Moline if anybody wants signed copies.\r\nBy the way Chris, the rest of the magazine was great too!\r\n                                                    Your \"humblest\" supporter, \r\n                                                             Larry Coltrin','',0,'','7c4esk6z',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4504,1072,3,188,0,'64.255.108.39',1106221750,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Fort Wayne farm show','I was at the FW show yesterday.  Will be back today.  Chris and John,  heard you guys plan to be there if the weather permits it.   will be looking for you.  Be careful on the sllippery Indiana roads. \r\nKeith','',0,'','37x7qzac',1,0,'',188,0,0),(4505,1073,1,124,0,'216.79.136.82',1106226769,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','2150 Pricing','What prices are some of the 2150 2 wheel drive tractors going for in decent shape?  I know \"decent shape\" is not a good description.  I\'m looking at one with duals, pretty good tires, good tin and runs good as far as I know.  One front steering cylinder is leaking and will have to be repaired.  I\'m just looking for some ideas.\r\nThanks,\r\nGreg Davis','',0,'','uwdo5a6x',1,0,'',124,0,0),(4506,1068,1,780,0,'12.106.228.150',1106234893,1,0,0,1,1,1,'','','Frank, \r\nI am talking about inside the distributor. The vacuum advance that is connected to the side of distributor , does it or is supposed to have an arm of  something like that that should attach to the points? The side of the distributor has a slot in it as well as the new electronic  points has a place I think to attach something like that.  If so where can I get one?\r\n\r\nMatt <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? -->  <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? -->','',0,'','6yiurkij',1,0,'',780,0,0),(4507,1068,1,96,0,'216.201.29.114',1106242926,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Holley Distributors','The answer to your question is yes the arm moves the breaker plate which is what the points were mounted on. Now remember this, the vacuum advance only functions when the engine idles, not at higher RPM. There was a feature article 40 years ago on the advantages of vacuum advanced distributors as used on the new Ford and Oliver tractors. Both were Holley distributors. Hope that helps.','',0,'','3vus2lmi',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4508,1068,1,780,0,'12.106.228.150',1106243803,1,0,0,1,1,1,'','','Thanks for the info. Very helpful although I am missing that vacuum advance arm. Does anyone know where I could get a replacement?\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'','13vyn6ax',1,0,'',780,0,0),(4509,1061,3,65,0,'209.240.113.156',1106266757,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Magazine cover','Any chance of reproducing cover as a poster? Marie and I thinking it looks very good and could be something to frame ! Thanks Chris !','',0,'','2rz677jq',1,0,'',65,0,0),(4510,1071,1,96,0,'216.201.29.218',1106273258,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','PTO clutch','Boy is this a political answer. How hard are you going to use the PTO clutch. Can you adjust it to the correct tension. I think I have one laying around here you want me to measure it tomorrow.','',0,'','2o0dzprk',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4511,1071,1,765,0,'207.69.137.29',1106276917,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The spec in the 1550 shop manual is .185-.195. The discs are the same ones used in the older tractors. Be sure and look at the amount of wear in the splined hub.','',0,'','14e72zws',1,0,'',765,0,0),(4512,1074,1,674,0,'24.155.160.250',1106279266,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','NEED HELP WITH SUPER 55 &amp; 550 SPINDLES','HAVE SEVERAL PAIRS OF SPINDLES FOR 55\'S &amp; 550\'S---THE RIGHT SIDE IS PART # 1E713 WHICH IS OFF SET BETWEEN THE CAST PART &amp; THE SPINDLE---THE LEFT SIDE IS # 1EA714 WHICH IS STRAIGHT BETWEEN THE CAST PART &amp; THE SPINDLE--THESE PAIRS CAME OFF THE SAME TRACTORS--MY QUESTION IS WHY WAS ONE SIDE OFF SET?---DOES IT HURT ANYTHING OR AFFECT STEERING TO RUN IT THIS WAY?---THANKS FOR YOUR HELP--MY EMAIL IS OPEN','',0,'','3rpb8ee6',1,0,'',674,0,0),(4513,1065,3,47,0,'12.64.210.33',1106315503,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','These are fine ideas, but, we should be careful to not leave out members who do not use computers. I know this sounds strange to those who do use this option, but, the majority of our members have no interest in computers. Their interest lies in collecting antiquated agricultural implements.\r\nSo, my suggestion would be to not only do this on the website, but to accept questions by mail, and to publish the questions and answers in the magazine, in a Q&amp;A section, for all members to share.\r\nWe should be careful to not overwhelm President Hume, as while he is making good progress, he still has considerable work ahead. It is never an easy job to assume the office of President, at least for the first few months. One must orientate one\'s self to the position, and become current on the affairs of the organization, in order to be effective. This does take time! So, patience is in order!!!! I recently posted a request for those who are knowledgable and current to pitch in and help out our new President. The response has been positive!\r\nI have spoken several times with President Hume, he has some very good ideas. Yet, he has not held a meeting to date. I feel it might be better to give him some time to adjust, and become current, thus, he will be better equipt to accurately answer questions.\r\nIn addition to what would normally be the duties of President, with the passing of new bylaws, and provisions contained within, President Hume has additional duties. He will need to learn more about members capabilities, and willingness to contribute. He will need to fill the Service Officer positions, and insure that the standing committees have at least 3 members. We have discussed the need to appoint some ad hoc committees, to address some of his concerns. So, there is no doubt in my mind that he will have a big job. Let\'s all do our part to keep him effective!!!!\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','1i2mgtmi',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4514,1065,3,40,0,'64.12.116.136',1106328821,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nAndy\'s thoughts on the fact that many members do not have a computer are right on.  I agree members should be able to mail questions to the president and have them show up in the magazine.  I would think that you could also take some questions and answers that are posted on the \"Ask the President Forum\" and include them in the magazine. \r\n \r\nI know you only have so many pages for all of the material and ads you want/need to get in the magazine, but I think such a feature would be interesting to all the members.\r\n\r\nThe main thing of course is to make sure that John agrees with such an approach.  I would imagine, as Andy indicated, that  the new president is very busy at the present time.\r\n\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'','39x03ftm',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4515,1065,3,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1106333651,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey Bill, \r\n\r\nI agree about not leaving anyone out. \r\n\r\nI think including questions from the forum into the president\'s column would be the way to handle it. Depending on the number and relevance, I should be able to include them and not take away from other magazine space.\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'','3erhswpg',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4516,1071,1,82,0,'64.85.215.198',1106343308,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think I am going to go ahead and use the plates I have.  The splines fit good on the shaft and there are no cracks or bad places on them.  I plan on using this tractor some to keep it limbered up.  Maybe run an auger or maybe a rotary mower and baler some.  I like to use my toys when I can.','',0,'','1evw46r9',1,0,'',82,0,0),(4517,1069,1,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1106343875,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','On a side note, if you do choose to leave some of your tractors original, be prepared for the ever popular question \"When are you going to paint it?\" or \"Why havent you painted it?\" <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->\r\nUsually after I explain why we dont, most people understand, others dont, but that is ok.  I personally think that a row of restored tractors at a show that all look exactly the same is boring.  I want to see the \"character\" that a tractor acquired throughout its long life.  But that is the great thing about our hobby... we can do whatever we want to with our tractors.  If I want to paint an Oliver purple I can....I am sure I will get a lot of raised eyebrows though!\r\n\r\nSpeaking of purple olivers...I have heard about a 1800 (or maybe a different 00 series) that was a demonstrator (Farm Progress Show maybe???) that was purple.  Anybody else ever hear of this?  Just wondering.','',0,'','27im6t8j',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4518,1069,1,96,0,'216.201.29.74',1106345092,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Purple tractor.','The purple tractor was an 1850 diesel and was shown to the dealers in the fall of 1966 when Oliver flew the dealers out to Charles City to introduce the new 1750 models. Actually it was part of an Oliver plow promotion that basically said no matter color tractor you have we have a plow for you.','',0,'','3mnfddm8',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4519,1069,1,459,0,'67.250.226.140',1106347814,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','995Lugmatic:\r\n\r\nI like what you are saying about perfectly restored tractors. Before I got turned on to Olivers by my father-in-law, I belonged to the Two-Cylinder Club for a while. If you wanted to bring a tractor to one of their Expo\'s, you had to send in a picture and get pre-approved before you could bring your tractor. To get accepted your tractor had to look better than it did when it rolled off the line in Waterloo. One thing that drew me to the HPOCA and my state chapter is that we can have great summer shows with lots of tractors, some of which might be perfectly restored, some owner restored good but not prefect, and even some tractors in their \"work clothes.\" Your average Expo kind of guy can only take his tractor to Expos. I like taking mine to shows, parades, tractor drives, pulls, plow days, etc. If my tractor gets a scratch life goes on. If we weren\'t having fun with it, it probably wouldn\'t have gotten scratched. \r\n\r\nAs far as color goes, when my son built our 77 puller tractor he wanted it to stand out from the other Olivers. He had always admired the XO-121 so we painted our 77 Red with Green wheels. Probably not the best for an Expo, but it sure looks nice pulling the sled down the track for a full pull.\r\n\r\n--Marc Sletten--','',0,'','2knej4cq',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4520,1075,1,717,0,'64.252.217.176',1106358460,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','New England Oliver owners','Being new to the HPOCA, I am amazed at the number of members and I also am pleased to see that there are so many people who share the same interest as I. There are some great Oliver collector clubs that are quite active, but I regret that there are none close to the New England area.  How would I go about finding who and how many are  from the eastern New York/ New England area and would they be interested in having a get-together in the fall out in this end of the country. I am from the north centeral Connecticut area along the Mass. border and would be glad to hear from any Oliver folks here at this site  or at  \r\n       <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:maarrestad@snet.net\">maarrestad@snet.net</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\n                 Cal Innes','',0,'','3kpjre84',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4521,1071,1,765,0,'207.69.137.41',1106368523,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think you\'ll be okay. The 88 and 880 Olivers are two of my favorite tractors-glad you still use yours.','',0,'','13lbxpah',1,0,'',765,0,0),(4522,1076,15,40,0,'152.163.100.136',1106399891,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPO Foundation','First of all I would like to thank both John and Chris for reacting in such a positive manner to the suggestion that an \"Ask the HPOCA President\" forum be established.  \r\n\r\nI would like to know if you or someone else is going to give a presentation at the Moline Winter Get Together on the status of the HPO Foundation.  Being an old government employee, I would like to know what are the goals of the foundation, actions taken and progress made since the last winter meeting and of course the finacnical outlook for the foundation.\r\n\r\nThanks again for the new forum and your reply.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'','yfgy90zk',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4523,1075,1,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1106403598,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Calvin,\r\n\r\nThe first thing to do would be to get a Membership directory. The last one was printed in 2003. Plans are being made to print another soon.\r\n\r\nI don\'t know if there are any old ones still available. Check with oliver66 here on the site. That is Marc Sletten, he is our Promotion and Publicity director, he should have an inventory list. If none are available, I\'d be glad to get you a copy of the members in the states in your area.\r\n\r\nI believe there are plenty of Oliver owners out there that haven\'t heard of or get involved in the HPOCA. John Hume.','',0,'','seawsu9p',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4524,1076,15,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1106404603,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Bill,\r\n\r\nI just talked to Sparky Duroe, he said no problem in having a report and presentation about HPO and the fund-raising efforts.\r\n\r\nJohn.','',0,'','2jrajltr',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4525,1069,1,1261,0,'64.12.116.136',1106406886,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Thanks For Great Replies','Appreciate all of the great replies since I posted the original question.  I can understand the concept of not necessarily having an exact cookie cutter approach to producing tractors coming off an assembly line.  It is actually kind of neat that the final assembly guys could tweek things a little and see where it ended up.  Back a few years,  we changed our cars just enough to make them stand out and in some ways they started to look like all the others!  Reference, Baby Moon hubcaps or Spinner hubcaps but the bottom line is they were atuned to the owners taste or what they could afford.  Some were original, some in constant primer and others had fancy paints.  It\'s great that we can all enjoy our tractors in the same manner and if we want to we can \"Customize\" to our hearts content.\r\n\r\nJohn, enjoyed your recent articles in HPOC magazine on generators and alternators.  I have another question, can you interchange the old three brush generators with regards to whether they eventually get hooked up to cut-out or regulators?  In other words can I use 77 or 88 generator original with regulator and change back to tractor using cut out?  If you can is there any internal modification necessary?  Thanks for help.      Terry','',0,'','1ilbaby1',1,0,'',1261,0,0),(4526,1075,1,459,0,'67.250.226.3',1106408834,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPOCA Membership Directory','Hi Calvin:\r\n\r\nTo get a copy of the HPOCA Membership Directory, you need to contact the folks at the Floyd County Museum (They handle all of the HPOCA mail order sales). Here is the contact information:\r\n\r\nFloyd County Museum\r\n500 Gilbert St.\r\nCharles City, IA  50616\r\n\r\nPhone: 641-228-1099\r\nEmail:  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:fchs@fiai.net\">fchs@fiai.net</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nThe price is $10 + $3 for shipping. The last time I was up there they had a good supply on hand.\r\n\r\nGood to see that someone is interested in getting together with other Oliver people in the New England area and possibly getting a chapter started. Chapters are the backbone of the HPOCA. Without them it would be difficult for the HPOCA to have Winter Get Togethers &amp; National Summer Shows.\r\n\r\n--Marc Sletten--','',0,'','15cjs6kz',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4527,1075,1,321,0,'205.231.145.136',1106416514,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: New England Oliver owners','I am across the border in Dutchess County, NY. Keep us posted here; not all who come to this board are members. I have an offline friend who is a lifelong Oliver guy with quite a few.','',0,'','2dbvrs1u',1,0,'',321,0,0),(4528,1075,1,717,0,'64.252.217.124',1106431944,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','N.E. Olivers','Thanks to all for the replies......it would be a \"dream come true\" so to speak, to have a chapter located locally. I belong to a local Antique tractor club that is quite interested in collecting old iron of every make and description and they are the nicest people to associate with, but until recently, I have been the only Oliver. (there\'s a lot of green, but it ain\'t Oliver) One of the members just acquired an Oliver orchard (...maybe a 60) so there is a common interest there. \r\n      Thanks for the info on the membership directory, I knew there was one out there....now I know where. I will contact them in the new week.\r\n     Rick, glad to know you are out there .....Dutchess County isn\'t far from here. Along time friend of mine is from Claverack ( I think I\'ve spelled that correctly) over there in Dutchess Co. \r\n     If  I make any headway with this I will certainly keep all who are interested informed.\r\n                         Cal','',0,'','sd5trffm',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4529,1075,1,321,0,'205.231.145.136',1106437954,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Claverack','I used to work for the CIH/Kubota dealer in Claverack. About 25 miles north of me in Columbia County. Not to pick nits. I have an idea where Stafford Springs is (asphalt racetrack?) but sure wouldn\'t have a clue what county it is in. Thanks in advance for any updates.','',0,'','arhxltkq',1,0,'',321,0,0),(4530,993,4,47,0,'12.65.168.77',1106454905,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Brian,\r\nDoug is correct on the weight of oils. One thing to note is you must use a GL-1 classification at least in the transmission. GL-1 was the standard classification when your tractor was made, so, there is not any mention made of this in the manuals. The reason for this is to do with the design of the steering system. Later classifications such as GL-3 or GL-5 which are more common are too slick, thus they will not allow sufficient friction between the steering band linings and the drum, making the tractor difficult if not impossible to steer. You should be able to get GL-1 from your local oil distributor, I get mine from an oil warehouse. They should know what you are talking about when you tell them GL-1, I use a multi weight. Remember, you must use oil in all your rollers, this same oil will work, but it must be oil, NOT grease, and it must be pourable. Otherwise you will risk burning up the bushings and shaft in your rollers, and idlers.\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','23vju79k',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4531,1065,3,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1106617468,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I think  what your looking at is  a very good way to  diffuse  the \"problem\" mentioned..  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','pwk0er7n',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4532,1077,1,780,0,'12.106.228.150',1106660967,1,0,0,1,1,1,'','1755 Vacuum advance arm','Does anyone have an extra vacuum advance arm for a 1755 distributor that they could part with? Or if not one to sell,   could you make a drawing with measurements of it so I could have one made?\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'','39vpa7q5',1,0,'',780,0,0),(4533,1078,1,1261,0,'205.188.116.136',1106666034,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Generator Question','Inquiring as to whether all Three Brush Generators are essentially the same?  I realize some had cut outs and some were controlled by regulators.  Wondering if all are pretty much same pulley diameter and width as well as same armature length to line up with waterpump on the mounting or do I have to look for specific Delco numbers for a given application?  For instance, my application calls for a Delco #1101363 or \r\nOliver #H-7351.  Any assistance appreciated.     Terry','',0,'','3thef874',1,0,'',1261,0,0),(4534,1075,1,717,0,'204.60.213.142',1106698422,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Rick,\r\n   Yes, Stafford does indeed have a race track, about 5 miles away, but you can usually hear it from here. They have a giant swap-meet twice a year......hard to see it all in a day.....very few tractor related items tho\'.\r\n     Was it Columbia Tractor you worked for? I see their ads regularly in the monthly Farming Journal and often think of driving out that way to see what they have.\r\n    You may have known a dairy farm there in Claverack owned by the Michielens. I know they used to have Oliver tractors, but gave them up because parts were getting harder to come by for them.\r\n                                Cal','',0,'','2sualjuh',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4535,1079,15,465,0,'4.224.213.251',1106789338,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Board Meeting.','John, \r\n\r\n Do you have any intention of announcing when and where future board meetings are to be held?\r\n Could minutes of the meeting be posted on this website if not in the magazine?','',0,'','15d7nk8w',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4536,1079,15,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1106790659,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Keith,\r\n\r\nThe next Board meeting will be at the Winter Get Together. It will be on Friday afternoon at 4 pm, in the Ambrose room A or B.\r\n\r\nI have discussed posting the minutes with Chris. He was going to do that.  Maybe he will report where we are at on that.\r\n\r\nThanks for your questions, John.','',0,'','3msd31t0',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4538,1079,15,10611,0,'209.124.32.144',1106829972,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Sorry, I was going to post the minutes from the last meeting, and it had slipped my mind with everything else I had been working on. \r\nI\'ll post them in the net couple of days, and they will also be in the March/April issue of the magazine.','',0,'','18myf0be',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4539,1079,15,614,0,'205.188.116.10',1106882034,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','thank you  that would be nice   chris <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','3i3t9ipe',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4540,1081,4,158,0,'198.230.166.100',1106926661,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HG QUESTIOS','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> I have recently aquired 2 hg crawlers.1 is a 42 seriel #41GA098 and the other is a 68.The 68 does not have a seriel # tag.Is there any way I can find out the year of this unit. I was told it was a 1951 but I would like to confirm that.','',0,'','18qrj1kp',1,0,'',158,0,0),(4541,1082,2,790,0,'63.144.252.82',1106926827,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','18-36 fan question','What material do you use for the \"friction drive\" fan on my 1927 18-36? and where do I buy/fin it.   Thanks Tom\r\nI also have extra madison kipp oiler parts if anyone needs.','',0,'','23anrx8o',1,0,'',790,0,0),(4542,1081,4,47,0,'12.64.146.147',1107005646,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','One way is to see if you can find a casting date on the engine block, that will be the year or one year earlier that the tractor, unless the engine has been replaced. Post some photos, both sides of the engine, generator, and track assemblies. I\'ll see what I can do to help you.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','111c84sm',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4543,1048,3,614,0,'152.163.100.65',1107058559,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','ok  if  I can get someone to  feed this  calf I have to bottle feed 3 times a day  I  will go ---  other wise your  going to   miss out on the chainsaw experiance. LOL','',0,'','14349ay4',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4544,1078,1,96,0,'216.201.29.214',1107065316,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Generator','Are you working on a 60? Do you have a core? Give me some more details.','',0,'','esygxwf2',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4545,1078,1,1261,0,'205.188.116.67',1107102244,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Clarification','Looking for a generator for \"60\" that did not have one on when acquired.  Want an idea as to whether need to look for specific numbers or can use multiple generator numbers.  Need pulley on this as well and from what have found @ local electrical shops there are some differences in length of armature shaft.  Then you need to use spacer to adjust pulley to line up with water pump, if you have enough shaft length to secure nut on end.  Not knowing necessarily that all pulleys were same diameter and width could run into problem with adjustment and or clearance to curtains. Also there is differences in line up of mounting bracket with reference to where adjuster bracket bolts to front.  Are there major differences in amperage output or will most any of adequate length suffice for this \"60\" application?  I have cut out, just need to find mountable generator with proper size pulley etc. to make a workable unit.  Thanks, John for any assistance!  Terry','',0,'','3rugt3id',1,0,'',1261,0,0),(4546,1081,4,96,0,'216.201.29.129',1107106109,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HG Identification','Have you looked for the engine model and serial number which is stamped toward the top center of the block on the side opposite the manifold?','',0,'','20t5qsnd',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4547,1048,3,65,0,'209.240.113.185',1107127285,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Calf feeding','You should have the calf on the pail by the end of the month! Or just bring it along as I\'ll have a 13 year old who enjoys feeding calves with me! Something we don\'t get into very often here! And if it happens [feedlot heifers]  I have a ready home for them !','',0,'','p4t7y5nz',1,0,'',65,0,0),(4548,1083,3,144,0,'169.207.128.240',1107131456,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Banquet reservations/ Moline, Ill','Just a reminder that February 14th is the deadline for Banquet reservations for the HPOCA winter get together.\r\nsend to : Judy Meier\r\n              N2117 Steiner Rd\r\n              Monroe, Wisconsin 53566\r\n$25 adults, $12.50 ages 3-10, under 3 free\r\n\r\nAlso there is still plenty of room for reservations for the bus tours on Friday Feb 25th, get reservations in ASAP to ensure your spot on the bus.\r\nSend To: Randy Esch\r\n              5716 S Madeline Ave\r\n              Milwaukee, Wi 53221\r\n\r\n$5.00 per person. specify tour #1 or tour #2\r\n\r\n\r\nHope you can  join us for a fun filled weekend.\r\nRandy Esch- President\r\nMidwest Oliver Collectors','',0,'','2mz7klrw',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4549,1081,4,158,0,'198.230.168.25',1107131905,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: --> Yes I have located the stamped # on the block,2448138 and also 1xb3..... also on the dipstick it is stamped 1xb3..According to the info I have this makes it an oc3,,,but the battery is the same as an hg not mounted up high like a oc3(the only picture I can find for aoc3).When sanding the crawler I have found yellow paint on the fuel tank and undercarrage.But the bottom side of the crawler is only green.Sure need help before I paint it the wrong color <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? -->','',0,'','2h3gyn5c',1,0,'',158,0,0),(4550,1084,1,662,0,'207.231.118.207',1107180970,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1650 desiel','I HAVE A LEAKING REAR SEAL ON MY ENGINE IT IS GETTING WORSE I WAS WONDER DO YOU THINK THE AVERAGE GUY CAN FIX THIS THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE NOISE BE THE CLUTCH AREA I HAVE DID SOME WORK BUT I REALLY AM NOT SURE HOW HARD THIS IS TO DO IS THERE THINGS TO LOOK FOR WHEN YOU PULL IT ALL APART OR IS IT BETTER TO TAKE IT IN AND HAVE IT FIXED ANY HELP WOULD BE DEEPLY APPERCATED THANK YOU CORRE K','',0,'','uz8xuvyp',1,0,'',662,0,0),(4551,1084,1,96,0,'216.201.29.89',1107184122,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Leaking rear seal','Does your tractor have a hydrapower or Over under unit? If so you will need a lift to lift the engine out of the frame. That may help answer your question to start with.','',0,'','3k1q6d54',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4552,1081,4,96,0,'216.201.29.89',1107184248,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Serial number','O. K. The last year the HG was built they used IXB-3 engines. Just for fun what is the engine model of the the other crawler you have?','',0,'','1ohcce5v',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4553,1081,4,158,0,'198.230.164.80',1107189707,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','OK the 42 is in cold storage and rather dark and not yet even cleaned up.It looks to be 1xk3,2425014. So tell me in 1951 they (oliver) built the hg and oc3?????? was this a 1/2 year thing.','',0,'','3m1h0lxt',1,0,'',158,0,0),(4554,1085,18,10611,0,'209.124.32.135',1107197513,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Minutes of the November 13, 2004 HPOCA board meeting.','[b:142m490t]The following meeting minutes are subject to changes, corrections and approval at the next HPOCA board meeting.[/b:142m490t]\r\n\r\nHPOCA Board of Directors Meeting\r\nNovember 13, 2004\r\nSpringfield, Ohio\r\n18 Members present.\r\n\r\nBill Gamble gave the Invocation.\r\n\r\nMinutes from the Board Meeting in Madison, S.D. on August 27, 2004 were read and approved.\r\n\r\nTreasurer’s report $157,779.35 on 11-1-04.\r\nHPO Foundation Wells Fargo Bank in South Bend, IN. $22,000.00.\r\nPaul Rode moved to approve the Treasurer’s report it was seconded by Bill Meeker. Motion passed.\r\n\r\nIncome from the #3 Toy Tractor sales $87,157.40. With about 30 toy tractors remaining to be sold. With cost of the toy tractors $78,230.85 and the cost of the restoration of the Old #3 tractor at $29,171.49 the HPOCA lost money on the project. The HPOCA would like to close the books on the project and tell the Smithsonian Institute the HPOCA lost money on this project.\r\n\r\nHPO Foundation will have an insert in the May/June magazine asking for contributions and it was also discussed of having a Sale at a Summer Show to help raise money for the HPO Foundation.\r\n\r\nMembership:	Bill Meeker 5720 Magazines were mailed out Nov/Dec. issue.\r\nA group in Canada would like to start a Chapter and there is also talk of starting a Chapter in Arizona.\r\n\r\nPromotion and Publicity: Terry stated that Mark Sletten is interested in the Office of Promotion and Publicity of the HPOCA. Bill Meeker made the motion and it was 2nd by Jim Muhs to accept this. Motion passed.\r\n\r\nActivities:	Jim Kline reported:\r\nWinter-get-together in Moline, IL. Feb. 24-27, 2005\r\nSummer National Show in Baraboo, WI. Aug. 19,20, 21, 2005\r\nWinter-get-together in Fort Meade, Florida Feb. 2006\r\nSummer National Show Dover, Ohio 2006 The Buckeye Oliver Club is to help.\r\nSummer Show for 2007- 4 Show sites have been presented.\r\n1.Brigden, Ontario, Canada\r\n2.Central Michigan. One man is running this show at the Fair Grounds. A motion was made by Albert Duroe to table this show until a Chapter can help with it. Bill Meeker 2nd and it passed.\r\n3.Portland, IN. there is no close hotels, Albert Duroe made the motion and 2nd by Jim Muhs to table this because there is no Chapter interested in helping with this show. Motion passed.\r\n4.Ottawa, Kansas, 2nd week of Sept. located S.W. of Kansas City, Kansas. Jim Kline made a motion for this Show to be a Secondary\r\nSummer Show for 2007. Seconded by Albert Duroe and passed.\r\n\r\nChris and Becky Losey gave a report about the Advertising Revenues for the Sept/Oct. 2004 and Nov/Dec. 2004. One advertiser has been suspended from advertising in the magazine until his account is paid in full. Advertising is up. But still losing money on the advertising in the magazine. Albert Duroe made a motion to raise the rate on advertising to break even. 2nd by Bill Meeker and passed. \r\nThis is the cost to add more pages for advertising in the magazine.\r\n4 pages added - $771.26 B/W\r\n4 pages added - $1259.00 Color\r\n8 pages added $1312.00 B/W\r\n8 pages added - $2185.00 Color\r\nAlbert Duroe made a motion to let Terry work with Pat Ertel about renewing his contract and Driveline for 2005 for about 6% or $5000.00 increase. Jim Muhs 2nd and passed.\r\nThe Board discussed with Chris and Becky Losey their Contract for 2005. Bill Meeker made the motion and was seconded by Albert Duroe to renew Chris and Becky Losey’s contract for 2005. Passed.\r\nMembership renewal- Terry is to talk to Rick at McMillens about the renewal time period at 60 days before, the month of, and 60 days after the subscription has ran Out. McMillens reports membership renewals weekly to Bill Meeker and a report for the month now.\r\n\r\nAlbert Duroe Made a motion for a new Membership Directory Book and to have advertising pages to help cover the cost. Bill Meeker 2nd and passed.\r\n\r\nVideo Media Production made the video of the Summer Show at Madison, S.D. They will send out a notice to those on a mailing list from previous years.\r\nTerry sent in the application and money for the Louisville Farm Show in Feb. Jim Muhs made a motion to go to the Louisville Farm Show and to reimburse Terry for his expenses. Jim Kline 2nd and passed.\r\n\r\nNo old business.\r\n\r\nNew business: The loan to I&amp;I is to expire in Jan. , 2006.\r\nTerry proposed for the HPOCA to help The Floyd County Museum to get the loan of the #3 Tractor from the Smithsonian Institute back to Charles City where it was made at. 2nd by Jim Kline and passed.\r\nAdjourned.\r\n\r\nJerry Ellis, Secretary[/b]','',0,'QA==','142m490t',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4555,1086,3,238,0,'152.163.100.14',1107202287,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Question regarding the board meeting minutes','Can someone point out the missing dollars regarding the No.3 toy sales? \r\nAs I see it if:\r\n1000 made\r\n (30) left to sell  \r\n=970 sold @ $125.00 each (970)($125.00)=$121250.00\r\n                                expenses                  $ (29171.49)\r\n                                cost of production      $ (78230.85)\r\n                                net profit                  $   13847.66 ?????\r\nOr as stated in minutes;\r\ntoy sales generated income= $87157.40\r\n                                           _________\r\n                                            \r\n                                              970 sold @ $89.85 each?????\r\n\r\nI must have missed this discussion at the meeting or I would have questioned it there.\r\n\r\nThanx in advance for the explaination.....Larry Coltrin[list=][/list]','',0,'','1yr188id',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4556,1086,3,40,0,'205.188.116.136',1107220813,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I am with Larry on this one.  Somebody needs to explain the math as to how we have a loss on the cost of the replicas and the repair of Number 3.  I f you can trust the homepage there are only 3 replicas left.  So if 997 have been sold at $125 the gross should be $124,625 which should cover the expenses of $107,402.34 that are in the minutes.  It will be interesting to see what happened.\r\n\r\nThe minutes also state that the HPOCA would like to advise the Smithsonian the club lost money on the project and is closing the books on the project.  Under new business Terry proposed that the club help the Floyd County Museum get #3 after the loan to I&amp;I expires.  I basically don\'t care if it is at Charles City or at Penfield.  Either one is better than having it go back to a warehouse in Wash DC.  However, if I was associated with the Floyd County Musuem I\'d think twice about accepting any offer of \"help\" from a group that went back to the owner of the tractor \"whining\" that they lost money on the restoration of such a great old machine. \r\n\r\nSpending less than $30,000 to get #3 running was not much in my eyes. Heck, my brothers and I have more than that in a 1650, 1750 and 1850 and I doubt if we\'ll ever get our money out of them, but we will get our moneys worth!! \r\n\r\nI lived in DC for 30 plus years and I can\'t tell you how many hours we  spent in the various Smithsonians during that time.  It is probably the greatest group of museums in the world and they have exhibits that are outstanding.  But I will tell you that when I was at Penfield for the 2003 show and they started #3 and drove it around the grounds and in the parade it was without a doubt the best Smithsonian exhibit I have ever seen.  They have IMAX movies on flight, they have recordings of steam engines moving down the track, but #3 is the only thing they have that I have heard sound just like she would have when she went out to the field to be put to work.  The HPOCA played a big part in getting that to happen and I\'m proud to be a member of the club for that reason alone.   Now I just wish our board could see it the same way.  \r\n\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'','3jb0s6dv',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4557,1086,3,163,0,'207.177.76.210',1107222247,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Larry,\r\n  Here is my guess:\r\n\r\n1000 tractors cost                                    78230.85\r\n970 tractors sold @ $125                         121250.00\r\nprofit (raw)                                             43019.15\r\n\r\nCost of #3 restoration                             29171.49\r\n  profit (raw)                                          13847.66\r\n\r\n\r\nRaw profit per 970 sold                          14.27 per tractor\r\n\r\nIt looks like we should have made the $14.27 per tractor sold.  However, our organization paid shipping, handling, insurance (and possibly advertising in HPOCA and other publications) plus we also don\'t know if our raw costs of the tractors were F.O.B. to the HPOCA.  That might be where the difference in expenses is.  \r\n  That\'s why we need better minutes and accountability which I believe will be forthcoming with the new leadership.\r\nDuane (uncledu) Brandt','',0,'','8dc4uf3e',1,0,'',163,0,0),(4558,1086,3,163,0,'216.51.171.129',1107224062,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: --> Well at the least the two above posts show the BRANDT BOYS are paying attention. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  UNCLE DU','',0,'','6xoeseyb',1,0,'',163,0,0),(4559,1086,3,10611,0,'209.124.33.31',1107227782,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I can\'t remember exact numbers, but I do recall that the HPOCA didn\'t end up taking delivery on the full 1000 toys.  Seems like it was more around 700 or so, but that is the reason the revenue off them was low. Between the typhoon that delayed delivery, and damaged units that had to be replaced, I don\'t think there ended up being 1000 made. That\'s what I know of it at this point in time.','',0,'','2xva0j4f',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4560,1086,3,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1107229983,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','a  dear friend of mine (my aunt\'s brother)  and  Indiana state fair board member   rebuilt  a common Waterloo Boy  for  almost that same  amount of money as was spent  on  #3    \r\n---  he had to sell it for health reasons  last winter ...','',0,'','2cufjtjf',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4561,1086,3,238,0,'64.12.116.136',1107232856,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks Chris,\r\nThat makes a little more sense. On revenues of $87157.40 divided by $125.00 =697.26 toys sold, close to 700. And the Club had to stand behind the broken units to boot. With the expenses and cost of production that leaves the club out $20244.94, or about $29.05 loss per toy sold based on sales of 697 No.3 toys.\r\nI agree with Bill Brandt in that the board of directors shouldn\'t tell the Smithsonian, or anyone else for that matter that the HPOCA lost money on this because the costs were known at or near the start of sales. The only unkowns were the broken units that had to be replaced. Projecting the known cost thru the life of the project would have indicated that it was going to fail to produce the anticipated income from the onset.\r\nComplaining to the Smithsonian that we lost money because of poor planing on our part dosen\'t seem to be a prudent thing to do.... in my opinion.\r\n                                                               Larry Coltrin','',0,'','3dixxfe1',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4562,1086,3,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1107234479,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey Larry,\r\n\r\nI don\'t think you missed the discussion at the meeting, there was none that I remember! \r\n\r\nAfter going back through the reports that were handed out at the meeting, it looks like 981 toy tractors were produced in total. That number may include the replacement toys, it doesn\'t say.\r\n\r\nIn the expense report on the #3 toy there is a $2470.68 postage refund that I don\'t think belongs. On the income report, I think that total includes $10,210 of other merchandise sales that are not the #3 toy.\r\n\r\nMy total dollar amount from \'03 and \'04 toy sales would indicate that 603 tractors have been sold. Someone that knows the details will have to explain how the numbers work. \r\n\r\nI believe we came out in the hole from selling the toys and have NO profit to fund the Old #3 restoration. \r\n\r\nJohn.','',0,'','5gdnzzu5',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4563,1086,3,40,0,'205.188.116.66',1107238776,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well now this is getting interesting.  Our magazine contains an ad for the #3 replica which states: \"Production will be limited to 1000 toys. These will not be reproduced again!\"  The home page indicates only 3 are left as of today.   John says he thinks 981 replicas were made, but he doesn\'t know if that includes the replacement units.  Then he does the math to workout that only 603 replicas were sold.  Maybe MaryAnn Townsend and our treasurer Mr. Duroe can post the correct information. \r\n\r\nNow I realize that everybody answering this thread so far does not have the final numbers on production, sales, replacements, shipping costs etc. so we might not want to get too exicted just yet.   But as I stated earlier I hope no one contacts the Smithsonian on behalf of the club indicating we lost money on restoring #3. \r\n\r\nI guess I\'ll be at the board meeting in Moline to see if the minutes from the November 13, 2004 meeting are read and approved as written. \r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'','71634pfp',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4564,1081,4,96,0,'209.143.23.243',1107262383,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HG Years','Yes. The HG was discontinued and the OC-3 introduced durring the same year. I will need to look because I was thinking 1952. Paint wise the first OC-3 tractors were green same as an HG.  In fact I was to a man\'s place and he has 2 OC-3 tractors. The older one is green the 1953 is yellow and I have seen 2 1953 models that are yellow and they have the letters IND on the serial number tag.','',0,'','jzjw18n7',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4565,1081,4,96,0,'209.143.23.243',1107262390,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HG Years','Yes. The HG was discontinued and the OC-3 introduced durring the same year. I will need to look because I was thinking 1952. Paint wise the first OC-3 tractors were green same as an HG.  In fact I was to a man\'s place and he has 2 OC-3 tractors. The older one is green the 1953 is yellow and I have seen 2 1953 models that are yellow and they have the letters IND on the serial number tag.','',0,'','c9woj8gu',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4566,1086,3,10611,0,'209.124.32.157',1107264067,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','When the whole #3 arrangement was made, it was specified by the Smithsonian that any profit from the toys, over the cost of restoration, belonged to the Smithsonian since it is their tractor. A report needs to be made to the Smithsonian showing whether or not the HPOCA made a profit on their tractor.  It isn\'t fun to tell that we didn\'t make ends meet, but it was part of the agreement.\r\n\r\nI believe that SpecCast bore the cost of replacing the defective toys, but that had to come out of the original 1000. And as John has pointed out, they didn\'t make all 1000.\r\n\r\nSounds like it\'s a good thing that John is starting the board meeting at 4 in the afternoon!','',0,'','1i1cv6j6',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4567,1086,3,459,0,'67.250.226.200',1107272780,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I was not involved with the board at the time the decision was made to restore No. 3 and make the replicas to fund the restoration. Around 2-3 weeks ago I was up at the Floyd County Museum checking the inventory of HPOCA items they had on hand. At that point I found out that they only had 3 left. I emailed Chris and asked him to change the opening page on the website to reflect that. I did that to help get the last 3 sold ASAP and to help avoid any problems for the Floyd County Museum staff. Back in December when we ran out of some belt buckles and pewter key chains they caught some flack from people who still wanted them. Chris has discontinued running the No.3 ad in the magazine to free up valuable space for a possible paying customer. I have checked with Terry Allen and he doesn\'t have any of the No. 3\'s on hand either. So to the best of my knowledge the 3 left at the museum are all that are left.\r\n\r\nAs far as the accounting on the project goes I am not in a position to speak to that. I have heard that a large number of the replica\'s arrived to the customers broken or damaged, but I don\'t have an exact number on that.\r\n\r\nMarc Sletten\r\nDirector of Promotions &amp; Publicity','',0,'','ud614y9n',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4568,1086,3,40,0,'152.163.100.70',1107279733,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','This discussion is in my mind at least an example of the good things that can happen for the club by using our website to provide information in a civil, positive manner.  As a matter of fact, I probably have been the most obnoxious one on here so far.  However, now that Chris has provided the information on why the Smithsonian has to be informed of the clubs gain or loss on the sale of the replicas I understand why it was in the minutes.  I am sure it  will be done in a professional business like  manner by the new president and our relationship with #3 and the Smithsonian will move on to new matters such as where she goes/stays at the end of the current agreement.\r\n\r\nNow I hope we get an accounting of the #3 replicas that everyone can understand.  \r\n\r\nWhen I get off of here I\'m going to call Floyd County and see if they have any left that I can order.  So don\'t send that letter to the Smithsonian just yet. <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: --> \r\n\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'','15bxrktq',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4569,1086,3,238,0,'205.188.116.12',1107285823,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Bill,\r\nI called monday. Maryann was off, but the lady I talked with took my phone number and said that she thought they were not going to sell the last 3 as they may be needed for replacements. She promised to call after talking with Maryann. \r\nSo, I\'m hoping that IF the last three are to be sold...there is really only 2 left!                                                                      Lary Coltrin','',0,'','qwhqul7s',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4570,1087,15,238,0,'205.188.116.136',1107287083,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Thanks a lot','I just wanted to give a huge thank you to Bill Brandt for the conception of this forum, John Hume for graciously agreeing to participate and Chris for setting the site up.\r\nIt is comforting to know that if you have something \"bugging\" you, You can come here and get a straight, honest answer from the HPOCA President. I sincerely appreciate that and am sure that most, if not all the rest of the membership does too.\r\nWe are all eager to return to our \"hobby\" in a peaceful manner, and I believe that the creation of this site contributes greatly to that end.\r\n                                                                       Larry Coltrin','',0,'','t6mbs9xi',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4571,1086,3,40,0,'64.12.116.136',1107293113,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Larry:\r\n\r\nEvidently she is a lady of her word.  When I called she told me the same thing, only there were just two left, so I\'d say she has one reserved for you.  She is reserving one for me so I guess they should be down to just one more that can be reserved/sold.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'','39n5dfw1',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4572,1086,3,614,0,'64.12.116.9',1107314319,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I  am   happy  that  we are getting answers to questions.\r\nI to did not understand why  the smithsonian would need or care to know, but now  we all do-----that was easy just explaining things.','',0,'','265i0mre',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4573,1084,1,662,0,'207.231.118.176',1107361560,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','YES IT HAS HYDRO POWER I HAVE A LIFT IN THE GARGE I GUESS CAN AN GUY GO THOUGH THIS BY HIM SELF I KNOW I CAN GET THE MOTOR OUT I PULLED MY 88 MANY TIMES HAD IT FOR A WHILE BEFORE I FIGURED OUT THE CLUTCH LINKEDGE I LOOKED AT THE BOOK IT IS OK JUST WONDER ABOUT THE HYDRO CAN IT BE LOOKED AT OR JUST TAKE IT IN WHAT KINDA REAL SEAL IS IN THIS TRACTOR ANY THING I SHOULD KNOW BEFORE I START THE WORK THERE SEEMS TO BE LITTLE THINGS YOU FIND OUT AFTER A COUPLE TRIMES THAT MAKES THINGS A LOT EASYER THANK YOU FOR REPLY','',0,'','2fnjvf57',1,0,'',662,0,0),(4574,1088,15,7,0,'152.163.100.136',1107392716,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hart Parr #3','John, Are you going to take up where Terry Allen left off trying to get HP#3 to Charles City?\r\n\r\nUnfortunately, I know more than I want to about the situation, but HPOCA\'s efforts have been blocked by one person and I\'m not sure that there is anything that I can do about it.\r\n\r\nI would like to see a discussion about who the principals are, what resources HPOCA has available, and where we go since our last proposal to the Smithsonian has been rejected.\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'','e5mknpkh',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4575,1088,15,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1107402793,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi John,\r\n\r\nThose are some very good questions!\r\n\r\nI recently learned more about the #3 situation. My opinion was and still is, that it, #3, should go to the museum in Charles City next. Not because HPOCA had funded the project, but because that move made the most common sense. Where better than the birthplace for the tractor to be displayed ?\r\n\r\nI know of the blocking efforts and don\'t understand the motives behind it. It seems that due process and the merit of applicants should determine the fate of the tractor, not \"who someone knows\".\r\n\r\nI would like to see the application of the group that possibly will get the tractor next and be given an explanation as to why they were chosen. \r\n\r\nI think a concerted effort by the members that believe #3 should go to Charles City might be the best plan of action. I am open to anyone\'s ideas in solving this problem.\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'','2caczamm',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4576,1086,3,459,0,'64.136.27.229',1107407032,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','No. 3 Replica (Toys)','Just wanted to let you all know, I got an email from Mary Ann at the Floyd County Museum today. She told me that all the No.3 Replicas (toys) are sold.\r\n\r\nChris will be posting this fact on the Home page of this web site as soon as he gets a chance.\r\n\r\nThanks to all of you who purchased one to help pay for the restoration of Hart-Parr No. 3.\r\n\r\nMarc Sletten\r\nDirector of P&amp;P','',0,'','3sbslzdc',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4577,1089,3,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1107446111,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Louisville Farm Show','Hi Everyone,\r\n\r\nThe Louisville Farm Show is just around the corner, February 16-19.  As always, we would welcome volunteers to help man our HPOCA booth.  The more folks we have to help out, the easier it is to give all workers an opportunity to take a break and see the rest of the show.  If you plan to attend and know you might be available to help out for any length of time, please let me know.\r\n\r\nI\'ll be at the show each day and look forward to visiting with you there.  Our HPOCA booth is located in its usual spot: West Wing, booth 549.\r\n\r\nHope to see you there, \r\nJohn Hume.','',0,'','7jybql1t',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4578,1089,3,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1107454901,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Well John, \r\nAs much as I would like to help, I cannot.  I will however be there and look forward to speaking with you and everyone else.  The reason I cant help is that I will be busy chasing 20 or so FFA kids down that I will have with me <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: --> \r\nLOL anyway, look forward to seeing whomever there.','',0,'','anxmhp32',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4579,1081,4,158,0,'198.230.160.215',1107474524,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:oops: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif\" alt=\":oops:\" title=\"Embarassed\" /><!-- s:oops: --> so its now green.But the next problem is my fault I removed everthing when I painted.The crawler ran great prior to this .I have since replaced all the parts ,and  I am unable to get it running.I think I screwed up the timing,it will back fire but thats it.I have repair books for most oliver units but not the hg.Can some one please help me check/or set the timing. thanks for all the help','',0,'','1qdrwfwi',1,0,'',158,0,0),(4580,1082,2,786,0,'152.163.100.14',1107479217,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Originally heavy paper was used for the HP fan friction drive as well as most belt pulleys on other tractors.\r\n\r\nToday most restorers use masonite and turn it down on a lathe - Makes a nice looking and durable repair.','',0,'','1xyrsa6d',1,0,'',786,0,0),(4581,1090,1,661,0,'72.2.91.131',1107482812,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','exhaust for 88','I am looking for a chrome exhaust pipe for my greatgrandfathers 88 row crop (he says it to quiet). Ive checked my local auto stores and had no luck. if someone could steer me in the right direction I wuold be grateful.','',0,'','1jivonti',1,0,'',661,0,0),(4582,1090,1,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1107490792,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I don\'t like to promote the other color green, but the cheapest place I\'ve found was at our jd dealer. I think you can find the chrome pipes in their exhaust accessory book.','',0,'','1h1pf66w',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4583,1091,3,238,0,'205.188.116.136',1107493370,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','No. 3 toy still dosen\'t add up','Even though I think I\'m suffering from early onset of \"olfartism\" (it affects the memory) I\'ve still got an active cell or two.\r\nAfter the recent discussions regarding the missing dollars and apparent reasons for the confusion, I looked a ways back and have more questions than ever now.\r\nFor those of you that attended the annual meeting at the summer show and recieved a treasurers report, the No. 3 toy is shown as THE ONLY ITEM IN THE REPORT THAT MADE ANY MONEY. Every other venue lost money, including memberships.\r\nChecking back even further, in the spring of 2004 over 700 toys had been sold, sales were good, but the problem of broken units had come up. The club would NOT have to pay for the damaged units. At that time the sales of the units sold had not only paid off the purchase cost, but the club was ahead somewhere around $10,000.00-$12,000.00 towards paying off the restoration costs.\r\nSo, what I would like to know is, how did we lose $20,000.00 selling the last 50 or so toys and do it in the last 6 or 7 months?\r\n                                                                    Larry Coltrin','',0,'','cmim7y5z',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4584,1090,1,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1107526034,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Is there a place around there that does big truck exhaust?  I always go ask around if they have any \"junk\" like a pipe that got bent and replaced.  They usually just scrap these pipes, and the part that was closer to the bottom of the cab is usually straight and fairly clean, and you can cut a piece that is plenty long enough to use for a tractor.  And the best part....usually FREE!!! <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','gpp5dw4d',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4585,1092,1,792,0,'69.29.17.197',1107537762,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Engine Specs for Super 88','Recently purchased a 1955 Super 88 diesel.  Can anyone tell me the valve and seat angle for this engine.  Also need the installed valve height.  I noticed the valve springs seem weak.  Is there a spec for the spring tension?  Thanks','',0,'','rxe56zmc',1,0,'',792,0,0),(4586,1092,1,96,0,'209.143.23.126',1107565442,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 88 Head','Valve seat angle is 45, valve face angle 44-1/2. Set the intake valve first to the correct recession. Measure that and set the exhaust valve stem height to match the intakes. Yes like any valve springs there are two test, tension with the valve closed and tension with the valve open. If you head has had intake seats installed in the past it make have rotators. If it does then springs will not be the same neither will the specs be the same. I need a casting number and a little bit of other informtion. Oliver had an exchange program for those early heads where they installed a sleeve in the exhaust port and put a Fleetline 88 diesel valve in. IF you have one of these heads you CAN NOT install exhaust valve seat. Send me an Oliver and a Waukesha casting number. I do not remember the specs for the valve springs in my head. If you do put intake seats do not use a plain cast iron seat. Questions?','',0,'','smratfw1',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4587,1089,3,124,0,'209.215.39.24',1107615904,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John,\r\n     My friend (also a member) and I will be there Friday and Saturday.  I\'ll talk to him and see  what we can do to help you out a couple of hours.  I too am an agriculture teacher, but not bringing students this year.  If you remember I\'m from North Carolina and I talked to you prior to the election.  Congratulations!\r\nGreg Davis\r\nP.S. Which building will you be in?','',0,'','1grlyrcd',1,0,'',124,0,0),(4588,1093,2,795,0,'63.236.245.167',1107738831,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','For Sale Oliver 80-18-27 Engine block&amp;head','Engine block and cylinder head out of Oliver HartPar 18-27 i think has been outside no crack\'s or weld\'s seen on block.$300.00 for both in ohio','',0,'','3mg7upjy',1,0,'',795,0,0),(4589,1094,4,795,0,'63.236.245.167',1107739244,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','p.t.o.belltpulley assembly OC3 Cletrac HG','p.t.o. belt pulley assembly for Oliver OC3-HG Gear\'s look nice,etc.I\'am told it will also fit  Case 310+320,terratrac dozer\'s.$250.00+shipping','',0,'','2jp6td36',1,0,'',795,0,0),(4591,1096,1,794,0,'66.187.145.62',1107770547,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','66 going prices','anyone know what the going price for a nice 66 in good original condition is going for in Pa.I have a chance at one ,just wondering if it is worth it.\r\nThanks.','',0,'','xu1h09pp',1,0,'',794,0,0),(4592,1092,1,792,0,'69.29.17.197',1107782784,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Engine Specs for Super 88','John, Thanks for the info. The casting numbers on the head are 192002B and 100042A.  The casting numbers on the block are 190320H and 1K100E. I also noticed that there is a date stamp on the head which reads 2 1958 however the date on the frame indicated a 1955 model.  The serial number of the tractor is 26 324-801. The exhaust valves do not have rotators on them.  I appreciate all your help.','',0,'','30ar4okz',1,0,'',792,0,0),(4593,1097,1,253,0,'63.167.185.4',1107809918,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hydraulics for 88','<!-- s:cry: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif\" alt=\":cry:\" title=\"Crying or Very sad\" /><!-- s:cry: --> \r\nI am restoring a 52 / 88 RC Diesel and just discovered that the hydraulic system does not seem to be working. My system has the box under the cowl with two levers and four connections for lines. A quick check looks like some of the parts and bottom plate may be missing, fluid added to the hyd unit drains directly into the transmission. \r\nQuestion: What do I have to do to remove the hyd unit? How can I determine what my problem is? \r\n\r\nAny help will be appreciated.','',0,'','1wr16qws',1,0,'',253,0,0),(4594,1089,3,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1107833309,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','would really like to  sit in and help but    ya  you guessed it  FFA trip\r\n <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->\r\n\r\nI just  ride along as the chapparone for the   insturctor...  someone has to keep track of him...  LOL.','',0,'','2ijccr4s',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4595,1097,1,765,0,'207.69.137.35',1107845715,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Assuming the tractor has a pto-remove the pto shift cover then remove the three bolts in front of the clutch pack and remove the long pto shaft and clutch pack, remove the transmission shift lever and the hydraulic unit base plate bolts, then lift and tilt the hydraulic unit off the tractor. The pump is driven by the long pto shaft and the pump also supports the shaft and keeps it from flexing to much.','',0,'','2qlw6axi',1,0,'',765,0,0),(4596,1083,3,489,0,'209.7.140.17',1107888593,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','banquet and tour reservations','Can\'t believe the Winter Get Together is almost here. \r\nFebruary 14 is coming quick for the banquet and bus tour deadlines. Please get your reservations in soon.\r\n\r\nWhen I called they only have a few seats left for the friday tours.','',0,'','39z4rjm1',1,0,'',489,0,0),(4597,1088,15,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1107888881,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Smithsonian Protocol','Here is the situation with the Old #3 tractor.\r\n\r\nI spoke with Mr. Pete Daniel, curator for the Division of the History of Technology, Behring Center. The #3 tractor is currently on a 3 year renewable loan to the I&amp;I club, Penfield IL. The I&amp;I club has requested another 3 year loan.  Being that they have the tractor now they are first in line for the loan. \r\n\r\nTwo other applications have been submitted to the Smithsonian. The first is from the Heritage Museum in Greenville IL. The second is from the Floyd County Museum, Charles City IA. \r\n\r\nThe protocol for the loan of the tractor is a first-applied, first-considered basis. This means that the I&amp;I club will have the first chance at renewing their loan as long as they choose to and the Smithsonian grants their request. The next in line would be the Heritage museum and then Floyd County. \r\n\r\nI hope this makes sense to everyone.\r\nJohn Hume','',0,'','8fta2y10',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4598,1088,15,459,0,'64.136.27.229',1107898111,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John:\r\n\r\nThat is what they may be telling you now. If that was the proceedure before, Penfield would have never got Hart-Parr #3. The Floyd County Museum ( a real museum) had a request in before Penfield but was passed over because one of the head honchos at Penfield is best friends with the recently retired person from the Smithsonian who had charge of #3. This was an inside deal and something should be done about it. From what I understand the Heritage Museum in Greenville is nothing more than a glorified machine shed also not a real museum that really meets the Smithsonian\'s requirements.\r\n\r\nHistorically, these 2 places have no claim on #3 but Charles City does since it was built there. To many people #3 being at Charles City on display year round is a no-brainer. Hopefully my US Senator who is the  chairman of the committee that handles the budget for the Smithsonian sees it that way also.\r\n\r\nMaybe a little budget cut here or there might snap the Smithsonian back to reality and start following their own rules not the buddy system.\r\n\r\n\r\nMarc Sletten\r\n\r\n\r\nThe statement above is my personal opinion and should not considered the opinion of the HPOCA even though I serve on their board.','',0,'','1cc151uw',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4599,1088,15,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1107901555,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Even Marc\'s explaination is an oversimplification of the facts involved in this case.\r\n\r\nFor the record:\r\n\r\nDarius Harms is the I&amp;I member and currently President. When I asked Darius if I&amp;I had asked for an extention of the loan he was evasive, he did know that HPOCA had been rejected again.\r\n\r\nLarry Jones is the ex-Smithsonian exec and still works for them on a contract basis as I understand it, particularly when it involves HP#3.\r\n\r\nThe Heritage Museum is backed by the HP#3 Greenville restoration team of Ollie Schaefer, Sherry Schaefer and John Tichnor and others.\r\n\r\nI am a member of both I&amp;I and HPOCA.\r\n\r\nThe wishes of Darius Harms concerning Hart-Parr #3 aren\'t necessarily the wishes of the I&amp;I membership.\r\n\r\nTerry Allen recently wrote an empassioned letter to the I&amp;I club asking for support of the move of HP#3 to Charles City. That letter was presented half-heartedly to the board. I also lobbied the board on behalf of HPOCA. \r\n\r\nDarius Harms, \"Hart-Parr #3 will not go to Charles City as long as I have anything to say about it.\"\r\n\r\nMost of the I&amp;I board, \"This is not our problem, it\'s between the Smithsonian and HPOCA, we don\'t want to be involved.\"\r\n\r\nI think Marc\'s approach is the best in this case, if you know your congressman or senator get in touch with them and make a plea for the HPOCA case. Remember that the Smithsonian bunch are still bureaucrates, your congressman and senator needs your vote to stay in office.','',0,'','dsiafxsm',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4600,1088,15,47,0,'12.64.134.121',1107911261,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey Marc,\r\nI like your approach. As I recall, Thad Cochran chairs that committee. My Senator is the Ranking Member though, and we can get support from other members of that committee, especially in view of the controversy surrounding the budget proposed by President Bush. In this environment every member of the appropriations committee will be scrambling to save their pet pig. Nothing is sacred! So, in order to be able to tell the folks back home their pet pig wasn\'t sacrificed, they will be more than willing to axe Smithsonian\'s allocation.\r\n I also agree that #3 should go to the Floyd County Museum next. It is the place where it was built, and Iowa is the state where it spent its entire working life. I consider this museum to be capable to provide for proper climate control, fire protection, theft prevention, as well as other security issues. As this is all in place already. As to the other applicant, I am not so sure, but have driven past it, and have my questions.\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','mhc6qjgq',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4601,1098,1,797,0,'4.143.56.136',1107914895,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 520 Baler','I was wondering if anyone could give me some info on an Oliver 520 baler. I would like to find out what years they were made, how well they work, and how much they are worth. Your help will be very appreciated. Thanks, Joe','',0,'','136rao10',1,0,'',797,0,0),(4602,1088,15,238,0,'205.188.116.136',1107921168,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey John,\r\nWhat is the reason that Darius Harms is so vehament about Charles City getting No. 3? Does He have something against the owners?, or the HPOCA? Who got Him so riled up?\r\nI met Darius at the Heritage Tractor ride a couple of years ago and He seemed like a really good guy with no axes to grind.\r\nMaby We should let John Hume have a chance at talking reason with the Smithsonian reps. Threatening them and writing poison pen letters seems to me to be like choking a chicken to get it to lay more eggs.\r\n\r\nAndy, if you have a question about the Heritage Museum, might be a good idea to stop in and take a look rather than forming an opinion while driving by at 65 mph. \r\nI subscribe to the Heritage Museum, a truly not for profit organization that benifits all agricultural history. The museum is in its\' infancy stages right now, with a bright and promising future.\r\n Even though my contributions have been small to date, I am proud to be associated with the Museum and its founders.\r\n                                                              Larry Coltrin','',0,'','2hj9ji0c',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4603,1083,3,614,0,'64.12.116.136',1107923054,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','can I bring my calf and  dog---   other wise I cant come.. someone has to feed  \"orphy 3 times a day yet  and  by order of  the dog\'s original owner (my sister)  she has to be in the basement to sleep at nights.....\r\n\r\noh  and the dog dont like people  <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','xu3sgc97',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4604,1088,15,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1107923708,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Larry,\r\n\r\nI won\'t comment on Mr. Harms, I don\'t know him. Maybe at some point I will get his position on #3.\r\n\r\nI stated above what I found out from the Smithsonian. I might like to see the applications for the loans, but for now their decision has been made. If individual members want to petition their Representatives, they are free to do that. \r\n\r\nI\'m not giving up on the idea of #3 going to Charles City, I just think I need to focus on other issues right now.\r\n\r\nJohn Hume','',0,'','1ldjb1j5',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4605,1099,1,82,0,'64.85.217.31',1107924432,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Differences in 710 and 720 baler','My Dad has a 710 baler that he bought new in the late 70\'s and it came with an operators manual for a 720.  Is there any major differences in these balers that would make me not want to use the book I have?','',0,'','2o63fp2p',1,0,'',82,0,0),(4606,1088,15,110,0,'152.163.100.136',1107945394,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Andy','Andy, since when did you become so concerned with the security of old #3. \r\n\r\nWas only about a year ago, you were hollorin bout  Ollie rippin off the club for outragious transportation costs, sayin there were hundreds of carriers comin outa the east empty that would have fetched that old girl back for next to nothing. \r\n\r\nNow your goin on about climate control, thief control,and such, almost like ya thought it really does have some value now.(Not sure whether thats treasure value or just personnel value)\r\n\r\nI agree 100% that the old girl should be in \r\nCharles City, were she originated. Thats her proper home for sure.\r\n\r\nBack stabbing and running down others facilities, whinning about this and that to whoever will listen and going over peoples heads surely wont expedite the process.','',0,'','36kkc0o9',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4607,1088,15,47,0,'12.64.240.146',1107947397,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey Larry,\r\nCops are bad around Greenville, 55MPH is about all that is safe there, I\'ve heard a person could go faster, but, I don\'t trust someone who is aiming a radar gun at me. Gotta be a reason! There is no reason to stop, it looks like any other farm building, with nobody there. Since nobody is there every time I go past, is there ever anyone there? So, since I have this question, it is normal that I would have concerns. There is a federal prison within a couple of miles, which releases felons into the community, persons who have proven to society they can\'t be trusted, this adds to my concern. As far as being a member of a local museum, I don\'t have to go out of state, or more than one county away for that, we have two within an hour drive from here. Neither would want #3, both are more orientated to steam and would rather take care of their steam engines, which can be really time consuming. This is really a back burner issue, as President Hume noted, there are bigger fish to fry at this time. But, I still have multitask capability, even though I feel a little older with each passing day. I am more concerned on getting a paper trail on the little tractors, then crunching some numbers. As I am sure you know, every shipment is invoiced, most have a bill of lading. That is a good starting place. From there I am interested in stock control and accounting. Honestly, I wish I had never heard of #3, it has been the most disruptive issue in many years. But, since I did, it is something that should be dealt with. Maybe some day the Smithsonian will decide to display it, then everybody can fuss, no more bickering.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','bdpq7gxa',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4608,1088,15,105,0,'205.204.242.23',1107973869,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Here\'s my two cents.  I think the Smithsonian should take it back and put it on display and be done with it.  Then if we want to see it, we go see it.  Here is why I think so...like Andy said, #3 has been a HUGE fiasco.  It has caused lots of unnecessary stress within our club, raised questions that there seem to be no clear answers to, and we now have the whole toy thing to deal with.  Now that it is restored to its original glory, I say put it back in the museum and let it be.  I am not necessarily worried about someone stealing the big fella, but I am concerned with vandalism, and WAYYY more worried about the idiot that swerves in front of the transport truck carrying #3 which then swerves to avoid killing said idiot, gets off the side of the shoulder, and rolls down a ditch, subsequently destroying the thing which we are so dilligently trying to \"protect!\"\r\n\r\nExtreme?  Maybe.  Crazier stuff has happened.','',0,'','2pp1qeae',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4609,1086,3,40,0,'64.12.116.136',1107974013,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I got my replica of #3 yesterday.   It was in great shape.  I guess that is a good thing since there are no more available.  Now that I have it I wish Landis would have made a recording of it running at the Penfield show and then had a copy of the recording included when you purchased a replica.  It would be nice to hear the distinctive sound that the real #3 makes.\r\n\r\nNow I suppose that we will be getting a final accounting on the sale of the replicas pretty soon.  <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: --> \r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'','ona1bqua',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4610,1088,15,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1107974206,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Oh, and that would relieve the \"winner\" of the three venues trying to gain custody of this thing of any glares or whispers or accusations from the other two.','',0,'','2anik44p',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4611,1086,3,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1107979451,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Final Report','Hi Bill,\r\n\r\nYes, since all the toys have been sold I have asked our treasurer to have a final report to present at the Winter Get Together. \r\n\r\nJohn Hume','',0,'','24l1cm8y',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4613,1097,1,43,0,'158.247.216.40',1107987026,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','88 hydraulics','I would really recommendbuying the Oliver hydraulic seminar video. You can get the order info on the Oliver Gang website.\r\nGeoffrey','',0,'','3njx5v5y',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4614,1086,3,429,0,'69.82.253.47',1107987682,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Toy tractors','Re; toy tractor sales etc.   the report to the board was that there was no profit over the tractor restoration cost.  If we had made any profit it was to go to the Smithstonian.  The tractor were sold for two different prices, the early ones were sold including freight which I refunded to Landis as they were shipped.  Some of the sales at different shows the procedes were mingled with the other merchandise sold so it was very difficult to separate the different catagories.  At the Winter meeting I will have a report on the exact number produced, damaged and returned, and sold.  Sparky','',0,'','1ehlt75d',1,0,'',429,0,0),(4615,1101,1,788,0,'64.12.116.136',1107989365,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver powered tampo roller','does anyone know of production #\'s of these. also the value of one it appears to have the 1850 or 1950 power-pak \r\nthank you','',0,'','2ciy4px2',1,0,'',788,0,0),(4616,1099,1,717,0,'204.60.44.242',1107999587,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','710/720 baler','If you aren\'t sure , take the baler out on the light and with manual in hand, compare what the manual shows vs. what you just pulled out of the barn.  I am not familiar with either baler, but this method has worked with me on other equipment. You will be able to tell if there are any similarities pretty quick.  Check any pictures that may be included and compare the picture in hand to the 710 in front of you. I would bet that while not all is identical, there will be at least some info that will be pertinent.\r\n                                       Cal','',0,'','3rgpq123',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4617,1086,3,238,0,'152.163.100.11',1108001682,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Bill,\r\nI wasn\'t so lucky, my No. 3 came in 3 pieces. I just finished gluing it all back together again!                                      Larry','',0,'','1dzxxaow',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4618,1102,5,10611,0,'209.124.32.134',1108008118,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Upgrades to the forum','Hello everybody.\r\n\r\nI have some upgrades I want to make to the forum, and plan on doing so in the near future. I will try to do it late at night, so as not to interfere with the normal operations of the site. It shouldn\'t take long, but just in case something doesn\'t work like I planned, don\'t be surprised if the forum is down for a short time.\r\n\r\nTwo of the upgrades I plan to install:\r\nAttachments. This will allow you to add a picture to your post without having it stored somewhere else on the internet.\r\n\r\nCalendar. This one is pretty much self explanatory.\r\n\r\nI\'ll see how those go before I tackle any more.\r\n\r\n\r\nAlso, if you\'ll take notice, we have had numerous \"visitors\" in the recent past. Most of these are actually automated hacker programs trying to hack the forum. So far, the updates I have installed are holding them off. But just in case, I have been making frequent backups so the site can be restored quickly in the event of a serious hack. \r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'','1wza10zv',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4619,1086,3,47,0,'12.64.60.72',1108056452,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Bill','Get in touch with RFDTV. They are on cable and satellite, and have aired that parade, so they would have it on tape. As with many of these channels, they might have that segment for sale, it wouldn\'t hurt to e-mail them and ask. You can probably type RFDTV in a search engine for contact info. I haven\'t seen it, but I can\'t go to the NAPA store or anywhere else without someone telling me they saw my HG, Harley Dawg, and myself on RFDTV. That was the same parade, I know this because it was the only one where Harley Dawg was walking. He has been able to ride in all the rest, be there was just not any room for him on the HG, and he refused to ride on my lap, or on the battery cover.\r\nHave a nice day, I hope to see you soon!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','38ee19tf',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4620,1086,3,47,0,'12.64.60.72',1108057923,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Larry,','That was a common complaint with those little tractors, I\'ve heard it many times. Spec Cast replaced several, but I wonder how many were repaired like you had to do. I have heard from a few members that they just glued theirs back together rather than messing with it, and if they are happy, so am I. Make sure you keep the boxes it came in, one day they will be worth as much as the little tractor.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','5zc026r5',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4621,1102,5,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1108058384,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks Chris, \r\n\r\nThose sound like good updates. I had noticed the large # of visitors and wondered about automated hackers.\r\n\r\nKeep up the good work! \r\nJohn','',0,'','fsvnjzqd',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4622,1088,15,47,0,'12.64.60.72',1108058879,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey 995 Lugamatic','I can agree with that. This #3 thing reminds me of a 26 years old gal that thinks she is my girlfriend, and keeps pestering me to death, and getting in the way of other adventures. Both are fine lookin\' and great arm candy, but I don\'t have a whole lot in common with either. I call her \'Bad penny\', \'cause once I think she is gone, she keeps coming back around! I wonder, can I call #3 \'Bad penny II\' ?\r\nThe only concern I have with #3 is the members money has been spent on it, that gives the members a vested interest. Don\'t think for one minute that if I don\'t look after my members interests they won\'t take me to task!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','3g7kgzyy',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4623,1088,15,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1108090616,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','LOL  andy ---  I would like to take bad penny off your hand for  a while.. LOL\r\n just  awhile','',0,'','3ibqm0wq',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4624,1088,15,47,0,'12.65.204.244',1108127572,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Eddie,','That would be fine by me!!! Maybe once she got to Indiana she would get lost and can\'t find her way back. I tried to get my nephew to take her to Kentucky with him, but he wouldn\'t do it because she was drunk, but he did ride her around town in his car for a while. She is tall and slim, looked good riding with him. I thought maybe I had lucked out and he would take her. But, she put Hip Hop on his radio, and he wanted nothing more to do with her, especially when she passed out in his car, leaving that junk on the radio. David has musical tastes common with mine, country, bluegrass, and southern rock and roll.\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','22ogi4wj',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4625,1088,15,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1108129548,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','How did we get from Hart-Parr#3 to The Dating Game? LOL\r\n\r\nAndy, That\'s WAY TOO MUCH information to share on this Forum. LOL','',0,'','d4dem5hh',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4626,1081,4,47,0,'12.65.162.242',1108132934,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','I am trying to remember off the top of my head on the paint. One of my chapter member has a green OC-3 which he had me help refurbish. They were painted green as standard color for one year, I recall that as being 1952. Prior to and after the standard was yellow, but, you could order any color as an option. I have seen several original OC-3\'s of various years that were green, which means the dealer or purchaser preferred green and payed extra for this option. I tend to think this was probably a regional thing, some customers in areas may have not wanted to change.\r\nI have seen different colors on these tractors, too. It was at one time fairly common for contractors to have all their equipment painted in their company color, one contractor in my area did and still does order all their equipment painted pink. Not just any pink, a special shade of pink. You can recognize it a mile away.\r\nAs to your timing. Remove #1 spark plug, put your thumb in the hole and turn the crank until you feel the compression pressure pushing against it. There is a hole on the front of the bellhousing on the right side of the tractor. These came with a plug screwed into the hole, it may or may not still be there. With a light you can see the flywheel thru this hole. On the flywheel is a timing mark, on a HG this mark is stamped SPK, I don\'t know about an OC-3, but it will be a noticable mark machined across the flywheel, not a scratch or chisel mark. Continue turning your engine over in the same direction slowly until you find this mark, then align it exactly in the center of the hole. This is where #1 cylinder should fire. Since I don\'t know which magneto you have I\'ll explain a way to set either. Take the cap off your mag, find #1 spark plug wire, align the collector ring, or what you may call the rotor button on a battery ignition(same thing, different names) before the #1 post, prior to it engaging the impulse. You will be able to turn the mag in the rotation of operation and feel a resistance to the impulse spring. Leave your mag in that position, which is just prior to firing #1. Bolt it back in your engine in this position with the top of the mag away from the engine, there should be only one way it will go in, be careful to keep the engine and mag in these positions. The flanges should mate correctly, and tighten properly. Then loosen both bolts a couple of turns, loose enough to rotate the top of the mag toward the engine block until the impulse clicks, this will be fairly loud, and you should be able to feel it thru the mag. If there is not much wear in the gears, and they are all in the correct position this should occur when the mag is approximately straight up and down or canted slightly in the direction of the engine block. Tighten the mounting bolts, and make sure the wires are in the correct firing order. This should be the correct timing, and your engine will run, but you may need to slightly adjust it some. Just make sure it will start using the crank, and has power, your timing will be as it should be. Once I did this, and someone had taken the governor drive gear out, then put it back 2 teeth off, since this gear also drives the mag, it drove me batty until I figured that one out. The mag was completely against the block, I had put the end of #1 spark plug wire in the timing hole, and could not get it to spark when the timing mark came up, which it should. Eventually after much hair loss I figured it out. On these old tractors I now remind myself that in all probability many people have worked on them, maybe some know what to do, maybe not. So, that can be something to deal with. Just keep this in the back of your mind and it might make things a little easier. You really should get a manual and parts book. There are two sources I know of for this, Floyd County Museum (641)228-1099, and Zimmerman Oliver Cletrac (717)738-2573.\r\nGood Luck!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','118uq6w9',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4627,1088,15,47,0,'12.65.162.242',1108134771,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey John,\r\nI\'m glad someone got a chuckle out of that!\r\nSometimes there are things that I thought had been dealt with and will go away. Sometimes they come back to haunt me. Sometimes I wish they wouldn\'t do that! And, these are both two things that have done this. Sometimes it is better to plow!! Problem being it is too wet to plow, and much of my plowing is done!!! But, I would go back and plow what I have already done if I thought it would make any difference.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','v37onw72',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4628,1091,3,429,0,'69.82.251.119',1108148033,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Larry the report to the board was that we did not make more than the 29,000+ that we spent on the restoration.  Any money greater than the cost would be owed to the Smithsonian under our original agreement.  I do not have the final figures, but we sold just over 900 toys, @ 125.00 less,  shipping and handling, therefor we netted a little over 110.00 per toy.  The only toys that we received $125. for were the ones that were picked up at the shows.  Spark','',0,'','2nkn7axj',1,0,'',429,0,0),(4629,1088,15,110,0,'205.188.116.136',1108151165,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Andy','Being alone isent really much fun. Its great to have a good partner to share with. \r\n\r\nMaybe if ya could just get Penny off the bottle, and sobbered, she probably wouldnt want to listen to the hip hop  crap and would take a shinin to good ole bluegrass and such.\r\n\r\nThan ya could get her to do your plowin while your away truckin, or better yet let her wheel the big rig while you play with the plow.\r\n\r\nHeck, i bet even Harley Dawg prays that his master could find such proper happiness in life.\r\n\r\nHave a good one!!!\r\nBob','',0,'','2md030au',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4630,1103,3,144,0,'169.207.92.39',1108160349,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Tour #1 is now full. Moline, Ill','Tour # 1 To Meekers Oliver collection is now full as of 2-11-05. we will no longer take reservations for tour #1. there will be maps and directions available to drive yourself there if you would like.\r\n\r\nwe still have plenty of room left on tour #2 to Isabell Bloom\r\n\r\n\r\nRandy Esch\r\nPresident\r\nMidwest Oliver Collectors','',0,'','3pianwjp',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4631,1104,15,40,0,'152.163.100.136',1108161530,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Handouts at the Winter Get Together','John:\r\n\r\nSome of my brothers and I can\'t read too fast and a couple of us comprehend even slower than we read.  So do you think it would be possible to have copies of any handouts that are going to be used at the membership meeting available when we check in?  A little extra time to study up would be nice.\r\n\r\nSince not everyone has a computer and probably won\'t bring their copy of the Nov/Dec issue of the magazine with the summary of the new by-laws, could some copies of the by-laws also be available?\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\n\r\nPS  When I suggested that Chris set up this forum I did not envision that you would become the HPOCA replacement for Ann Landers.','',0,'','p057xh89',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4632,1088,15,47,0,'12.64.234.28',1108174351,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Bob,','In a perfect world things are, let\'s say, perfect. But, this is not a perfect world. Mom had to eat crow on this one, she was excited when Andrea started coming around all the time, like she usually does when gals are hanging around my place. Then she started to learn how Andrea is, and sort of don\'t want her around. I don\'t either, there are plenty better in them thar hills. So, I nicknamed Andrea, \'Bad Penny\' because she keeps coming back around. Sometimes the price that must be paid is just not worth what you get for it, with the little sanity I have left, I can\'t afford to spend that. Especially in light of there being better that I can just keep for a while, then let them go away, besides, at 52 years of age, I have gotten accustomed to doing as I please, without asking permission. Single life fits me well, most folks it doesn\'t. My single friends mostly are happy being unattached. A phenomenon with my married friends is most divorce at some time, not all but most, when that happens they immediately seek another spouse, most times being married again in a year or two. I\'m pretty happy just being by myself, well, I like having Harley Dawg around. Harley Dawg don\'t like \'Bad Penny\', never has, I probably should have payed more attention to him when she started coming here, he either wants out, or goes to a different room. If I call him, he well go straight to the door, he doesn\'t like to be in the room with her, which seems really strange to me, he will usually make up with women, wanting petted.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','1t3k0go6',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4633,1091,3,238,0,'152.163.100.74',1108175408,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Sparky,\r\nThanx for taking the time to get this unraveled for us, I appreciate it.\r\n                                                                         Larry Coltrin','',0,'','17u0doup',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4634,1104,15,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1108177883,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Bill,\r\n\r\nThat\'s the sort of thing I\'ve had in mind all along. Have the treasurer\'s report, minutes from previous meetings, agenda for the membership meeting, by-law changes, special reports, ect. available before-hand. Let everyone have time to review. \r\n\r\nMy only concern is having enough copies and not too many printed up. It would be nice to have a simple copy machine to run them off as needed. Anyone have any ideas? \r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'','1oo03dkd',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4635,1104,15,40,0,'205.188.116.66',1108178657,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John:\r\n\r\nThe convention center will probably have a copy machine, don\'t know what they would charge to use it.  As far as numbers go, I\'d check with Midwest Oliver Collectors and see how many members have signed up.  I\'d make that many copies and try and have them at the registration desk.  I know all of the members won\'t be going to the meeting, but it will be good for them to have the information anyway. \r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'','3ckqsm6b',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4637,1104,15,47,0,'12.65.78.134',1108211385,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey John, and Bill,\r\nI think that figure would be way too high. 25 to50% would be closer. I figured 100 copies for the bylaws proposal at Madison, and based it on a percentage of banquet ticket sales, then added 25 or 50 copies, just in case. I think it was slightly over 100 that was handed out. You might be able to cut costs by printing on both sides, but then nobody could write on the blank side.\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','s8xcndx5',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4640,1104,15,47,0,'12.65.78.134',1108214351,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey John,\r\nPerhaps you would want to check with Sparky, we have a contingency fund, and he could tell you how much money is in it. If you are comfortable with that amount, and feel it is sufficient to buy a copier, and cover any unexpected expenses, there would be nothing to keep the President from allocating from his contingency. Contingency funds are normally under the control of the President in most organizations, I can find no reason to believe we would be any different. If we can protect a copier, keep it clean and maintained, it would sure be handy. Someone is always needing to copy documents at our shows, then it puts us in the position of dealing with a stingy desk clerk, who will give copies, but not enough. Or, like I dealt with at Madison, the big event is in town, and that is exactly where everyone is, not in the quick print store. So, it takes some driving around to get the job done. I logged on about 90 miles out there, and finally found an office furniture store, the clerk had just stopped by before going  to the show, and I lucked out in catching her. But, when I mentioned that was for our association, she was happy to charge me to make the copies, the high point was she organized and stapled the pages at no charge. If you are going to make copies at a show, and depend on the locals, expect to jump thru hoops. You might not need to, but you should expect too, something about \'Murphy\'s Law\'!\r\nThe down side of owning our equipment is someone will need to keep it working, so, you should find a member with this ability, and willingness to take it on. Those sort of things are not maintenance free.\r\nI did get our PA amplifier repaired yesterday, I found some parts for the terminals, that would work on the original terminal strips. Had to do some trimming, but they work like new now. We won\'t need to use rocks to hold the speaker wires in!!! Sometimes you just need to be smarter than the rocks!!!!LOL I\'ll try to bring it to Louisville!\r\nOh, by the way, how many of these fine folks are going to put their money where their mouth is and show up to help you out at Louisville?\r\nTake it easy!!!\r\nAndy\r\n\r\nOh, tell whoever hooks up that amp to push down on the terminals, NOT in, that is what broke them in the first place.','',0,'','1m2bnxs4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4642,27,2,788,0,'198.81.26.48',1108217289,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','i\'ve got one hart parr an 18-36 along with 70,77,80,90,99 olivers 30,40,80 cockshutt along with several other tractors. does one hart parr make me a collector? <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'','15z9ny2p',1,0,'',788,0,0),(4643,605,2,788,0,'198.81.26.15',1108217648,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','are you still looking for those 70 parts i have a standard 70 cockshutt for sale but would part it out','',0,'','2prqn1in',1,0,'',788,0,0),(4644,1088,15,65,0,'209.240.113.174',1108239563,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Problem solved!!','Andy : Drop off Penny at edchainsaws to look after the calf and dog while he goes to Moline !! <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  Of course you could aways forget where he lives on the way home <!-- s:twisted: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif\" alt=\":twisted:\" title=\"Twisted Evil\" /><!-- s:twisted: -->','',0,'','1np294kd',1,0,'',65,0,0),(4645,1088,15,110,0,'64.12.116.136',1108240518,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Andy','Andy, your home brew wouldnt have anything to do with the opinions expressed by both Harley Dawg and your momma on poor Penny, would they??\r\n\r\n  Come on Andy, there is more to this than your sayin, dont be holdin out on us now. She just might be a victim of a poor batch of bourbon, whatya think??\r\n\r\nHave a good one:  Bob','',0,'','3l54movf',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4646,605,2,238,0,'205.188.116.136',1108249493,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Bear,\r\nYes I am still looking. What kind of shape is your Hart Parr 70 standard in?\r\nI\'ve got one that I haven\'t got to yet. I need the side louvers for it.\r\n                                                         Larry','',0,'','2fordaxn',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4647,605,2,788,0,'198.81.26.48',1108252142,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','the hood, side panels and grills are missing. those are the parts it was originally bought for. it still has the cockshutt badge down the center between the grills. the rest is still all there. i\'ll try to get some pics of it[/img]','',0,'','1jiimkvp',1,0,'',788,0,0),(4648,1088,15,47,0,'12.64.96.22',1108262242,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Grant,\r\nLet\'s see, edchainsaw\'s real address is RR2 Port Elgin ON, right?\r\nI still don\'t see where that would work, about a month ago, one night I sent Bad Penny into a convenience store to get cigarettes, soon as she got out of sight, I was gone, durned if she didn\'t beat me back to my house, asking me if I had forgotten to wait on her. I am not going to spend time to encourage her, when I want that problem to go away!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','32qw6nn0',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4649,1088,15,47,0,'12.64.96.22',1108263775,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Bob,\r\nThe gal who had Harley Dawg before me got him dead running drunk one time when he was a puppy, he was funny, couldn\'t walk, rolling around on the floor, and that was with beer. Since then, he won\'t get near any kind of alcohol. Mom has never had a drink of any sort of alcoholic beverage, though she did have a mini stroke a couple of years back.\r\nYeah, I\'m holding back, but let\'s not get too graphic! Big mistake, don\'t take strange chicks to your house, that is what motels are for, and whenever they ask for a phone # I\'ll tell them 519-662-9073!!!\r\nI don\'t think it is bad bourbon, there is no such thing, maybe bad rye!!!\r\nI don\'t really like when someone cleans my house to find original Hart- Parr literature in the trash can, then hear the explanation, \'I thought you would like me cleaning the old magazines from your filing cabinets!\'. Well, I don\'t like it!! Well, I must prepare to contribute to the betterment of our association, seriously, I need to get to Florida, so I can get back to go to Louisville and Moline! I wish there was a week or two between the events, but, I can deal with hectic scheduling, knowed the job was dangerous when I took it!!!\r\nHey, have a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','270wxbkw',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4650,1088,15,110,0,'64.12.116.136',1108272832,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Andy','I didnt mean that your dawg or momma had been in your home brew, what i was leanin more towards was the notion that your home brew was a direct result of poor Penny\'s behaviour.\r\n\r\nFeel free to pass the phone # about as ya please, drunks can be funny to talk to sometimes,maybe they even like olivers. \r\n\r\nHave a nice trip to florida and get home safe. (Andrea will be lonely)\r\n\r\n  Bob','',0,'','3gvdxdt0',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4651,1102,5,10611,0,'209.124.32.215',1108294869,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','test','I\'m testing to make sure this works ok','',1,'','11myrin0',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4652,1107,18,10611,0,'209.124.32.215',1108296808,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','HPOCA financial statement','The following attachment is the annual financial statement prepared by the HPOCA\'s accounting firm. This report will appear in the March/April issue of the Collector.\r\n\r\nYou will need Adobe Acrobat to view the file. Most computers come with it, but if you need to install it, visit <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.adobe.com\">www.adobe.com</a><!-- w -->','',1,'','3nfzwdpp',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4653,1102,5,10611,0,'209.124.32.215',1108297108,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Looks like we now have attachments. If anybody has any trouble, please let me know so I can fix it.\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'','3lrbbkd3',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4654,1088,15,465,0,'4.225.94.74',1108305324,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','#3','I\'m not in favor of I&amp;I getting #3  again. \r\n\r\nAs of now the HPOCA itself does not have a facility for #3. The board has shown it can\'t even market a damn toy without screwing it up(sorry John but you are the only thing that has changed). HPOCA has no business lobbying any body for anything at this time. Just let it go.\r\n\r\nI do believe Ollie, Sherry, and John should be considered next. They put all the work into restoring #3. Like it or not they got the job done, If they can get the proper facility, let them have it for 3 years. HPOCA BOD chose to disassociate itself from THEM. Let them have their day in the sun. They deserve it.\r\n\r\nAfter their 3 years just maybe the BOD will get its head out of its backside on this matter.  If you would work harder on our clubs stated goals, get our own museum going, then worry about where #3 is located','',0,'','a2arygpr',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4655,1108,5,465,0,'4.225.94.74',1108306262,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Bylaws forum','Could this topic be deleted? it has been locked for a year now.','',0,'','3mli0qls',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4656,1108,5,10611,0,'209.124.32.215',1108309334,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I don\'t see why not. Andy requested it, but I also didn\'t see the harm in leaving it up.\r\n\r\nI\'ll take it down for now. If anybody wants to see it again, let me know here.','',0,'','2k0vb783',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4658,1110,6,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1108330973,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Think Spring!','Thought I\'d try the new attachment feature. \r\n\r\nI\'m ready for hay season. John','',1,'','36b0q48w',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4659,1110,6,110,0,'64.12.116.136',1108337534,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Great picture','Thats a great picture Mr Hume, makes a man yearn for those warm summer days, dont it?  \r\n\r\nThink that wee tractor has enough power to run that big ole baler??  LOL\r\n\r\n Thanks for the great picture anyways  Bob','',0,'','2uhjornl',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4660,1110,6,65,0,'209.240.113.29',1108340751,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Cockshutt Oliver ?','Notice Bob that theres a little cockshutt showing in the front  wheels !  It will do just fine on the baler with that leading it down the row!','',0,'','hvz4hy3r',1,0,'',65,0,0),(4661,1110,6,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1108342790,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I\'ve always wondered about that Cockshutt red on the front axle!\r\n\r\nMy baler driver and secretary says she\'s ready for spring too! \r\n\r\nIt\'ll be here soon enough and I won\'t have all my winter projects done!\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'','2z3wfm1f',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4662,1110,6,10611,0,'209.124.32.215',1108344740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','There is nothing like the smell of curing hay..... ahhh.\r\n\r\nWhat you need is a bale thrower, maybe that 1955 can just shoot them all the way back to the barn!','',0,'','tg1cie3h',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4663,1110,6,110,0,'205.188.116.136',1108351707,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','I noticed the red','Actually i noticed that red paint when i was looking at the picture, wondered about it, than just shrugged my shoulders and went on admiring the picture. \r\n Up here we get so use to seein that red showin through the green or vice versa, that after enough years, its not even an issue anymore. \r\n\r\n But i guess it is kinda strange, bein as the tractor didnt have to go through that Brantford make over in the first place. \r\n\r\n  Sure would be great if these old girls could tell their life stories, wouldnt it though. Would make for some very interesting, maybe almost unbeleivable stories sometimes im sure. \r\n\r\n  Chris, there wouldnt be any boards left on the barn in no time, i would be afraid. \r\n\r\nBob','',0,'','3pyrbuj8',1,0,'',110,0,0),(4664,1111,1,803,0,'216.223.167.115',1108357152,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','perkins rebuilt','Thought we got a deal on a 1850 at a auction last spring, even heard this tractor run a few days before the auction. On day of auction it was believed key was left on and batterys were down was reason it would not start. However after buying it we found engine to be very near to being stuck. Main question is are the perkins in this tractor any more expensive to rebuilt than the waukesha in our 1855?','',0,'','xmmuj2xx',1,0,'',803,0,0),(4665,1112,1,804,0,'12.203.238.197',1108380212,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 88\'s - 88 diesel looking for a home.','Greetings!\r\n\r\nI am reuniting with an old friend for the first time in 34 years.  It is an Oliver 88 gas tractor that I grew up operating all through high school.  My former boss (and dear friend) has just sold it to me after owning it for 50 years and I\'m hoping to pick it up in about 30 days.  \r\n\r\nIt has been completely rebuilt mechanically.  however, the sheet metal is in pretty rough shape.  Where is a good source for getting hood and grill sheet metal?\r\n\r\nThanks!\r\n\r\nBill Johnson\r\n\r\np.s.  I just talked to my friend and he also has an 88 diesel that is freshly rebuilt that he wants to sell.  The tractor\'s ready to work, but does have some rim rust and needs tires and batteries.  He rebuilt the tractor sometime around 1998 using Super 88 sleeves and pistons and was disabled in a tractor accident (on a Ford) shortly thereafter and the tractor hasn\'t been run since.  We\'ll probably put a new battery in it and start it up when we go to pick up the 88 gas tractor sometime around the third week of March.  The tractor is in Kentucky about 35 miles west of Louisville.  Just email me if you or someone you know may be interested.\r\n\r\nUpdate 3/16/05  We retrieved the 88 gas tractor yesterday (runs great!) and started the 88 diesel that\'s for sale.  I loosened the line to the injector pump and pumped the fuel pump by hand until the line was full.  I reconnected the line and we pulled the tractor less than 10 feet and it started right up.  It runs great with absolutely no blue smoke and just a trace of black smoke when the engine is accelerated.  No smoke of any kind is evident when the engine is idling or running at a constant, no-load  speed.  I also checked the gearbox and it runs fine in all gears.  The tractor also starts right up using the electric starter.  The steering gear is tight with no excessive play and the tractor steers easily.  The mechanics overall are in great shape but the sheet metal and cosmetics are in poor condition.  I put a brand new battery in it and added 5 gallons of fresh diesel fuel.  I can email pictures if you want to see it and also a 2.9 or 7.7 meg .mov file if you want to see it and hear it run.','',0,'','1efx9nw3',1,1111035075,'',804,1,0),(4666,1104,15,489,0,'209.7.140.4',1108395680,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','handouts at the winter get together','Hey,\r\nI\'m in charge of the registration table at Moline. We are putting together around 300 packets which will include area brochures along with an agenda of the weekend events. We are getting to the hotel an wednesday if you want me to add the other items to the packets. Registration table will open friday morning located near the venders. \r\nYou can call me at \r\n815-865-5028 \r\nBrad Ward\r\nVice President \r\nMidwest Oliver Collectors\r\n\r\nA copier will be available by the hotel at a fee. \r\nOur club has had good luck with one of those 4 in 1 color copiers, they are reasonably priced($200-$400) and can be used with a computer or as a stand alone copier. They are small enough to be portable. I would think you could keep it in the vending trailer. \r\nJust a thought','',0,'','7el9t1ug',1,0,'',489,0,0),(4667,1110,6,163,0,'216.51.171.135',1108431692,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: --> John I just brought home a 77 New Holland with a Wisconson motor she started right up and seems to be a running machine.{also known as a woodpecker} It will look behind the 77 I am ready for summer. Duane Brandt','',0,'','ihl58cv8',1,0,'',163,0,0),(4668,1110,6,614,0,'64.12.116.136',1108442127,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I noticed that  shift lever is  turned like the one on our  1755 but not like our 1955\r\n\r\nI like those machines.. just wish they were in better shape... got a really sick 1755 now. and I think I got the head gasket leaking on the 1955','',0,'','2znxnrkk',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4669,1111,1,765,0,'207.69.137.9',1108443416,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Parts prices for the Perkins engine kits quite a bit cheaper than for the Waukesha','',0,'','1rmzkedf',1,0,'',765,0,0),(4670,1110,6,76,0,'67.50.252.242',1108471896,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','think spring',' if it was only that easy to get the weather to cooperate','',0,'BA==','3nnt83i9',1,0,'',76,0,0),(4671,1110,6,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1108513945,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi John,\r\n That looks like a Hoelscher bail accumulator, is it? If so, I\'d like to talk to you about that setup. At over 62, I\'m about through throwen bales around.\r\n                                                               <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> Larry Coltrin','',0,'BA==','3sc69m1j',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4672,1110,6,65,0,'209.240.113.28',1108674019,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Tires','Wrenchbender :  What do think of those tires? We do a bit of road running here  on tar and chip and I wondered how they would stand up??','',0,'BA==','1m3trne2',1,0,'',65,0,0),(4673,1113,1,807,0,'66.252.34.253',1108783263,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1958 red rear rims on 550\'s','My 1958 550 has original regular red rims on the rear. Apparently these were only on the first 550\'s made. They may have been the one\'s with the 144 cubes and 35 HP. Later ones had white rear rims and 155 cubes and higher comp and 43 HP. Does anyone know when the red rims were stopped. Mine is serial 64069. The serial numbers for 1958 went from 60501 tp 72632. These smaller cubed red rimmed 550\'s may be the rarest of all 550s.  Contact me if you have a 58 with red rear rims or the 144 cubes. l\'ll be glad to update everyone later. Thanks.','',0,'BA==','7g0cjzm0',1,0,'',807,0,0),(4674,1113,1,35,0,'68.221.134.16',1108789679,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','550','This tractor is a rarity. My relatives were selling Olivers in 58 and we had an early 550 on the farm and it had white wheels. I don\'t recall ever seeing a red wheel 550.','',0,'BA==','2jws4qm4',1,0,'',35,0,0),(4675,1113,1,807,0,'66.252.35.201',1108825144,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Not many people have seen the red rimmed but I remember seeing a picture of the first Oliver 550\'s off the line and they all had red rear rims. I remember also reading about the company upating the super 55\'s with the new sheet metal to the 550. This would explain the first 550\'s having 144 cubes and red rear rims which the super 55\'s had. I am trying to find out at what serial the super 55 inventory was cleared and the 155 cube engine was adopted. That may coincide with the change to white rear rims.  There is a picture of another 1958  550 with red rear rims at the other forum in the photo area. It is pulling at a fair and owned by a Troy L in Oregon. I have seen a few others also. I did see in my owners manual that the power adjust wheels were not red only the regular wheels. There may also be differences between HC(gas) tractors and diesels if they were assembled at different plants. Please send info on serials if you have them. Thanks','',0,'BA==','3gwv216v',1,0,'',807,0,0),(4676,1114,3,10611,0,'209.124.32.202',1108864509,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Early listing for the Friday, Feb 25th auction.','Early listing for the Friday night, Feb. 25, 2005 HPOCA Winter get together auction at the Moline, IL Holiday Inn. Hosted by the Midwest Oliver Collectors. Auction starts at 7 pm. Kurt Aumann auctioneer. \r\n\r\nParts:\r\nFull set of Super 77 side panels, 770 fiberglass grill, Super 88 front side panels, Pair of wheel weights, Early style 88 front panels, 3 early style cast iron headlight brackets-pn K1261, 2 new Agco headlights, rear tail light for 4 digit tractors, 2 pair of new dustshields for Super 88 and 880 tractor, 6 nice headlights, Good 88 hood, Nice 770-880 grill and nose cone, Box of nos Oliver parts, 1 new and 1 rebuilt waterpump for 1800 gas, HG-pto, two HG seats, nos Oliver 1250 headlight Bullet tail light \r\n\r\nToys:\r\nOliver mailbox-nice original, Slik-Oliver 70 with man-restored, Oliver 77 with man-nice original, Original Oliver barge box-nice, Oliver two bottom plow-nice original, Oliver flair box, good original,White 145 pedal tractor\r\n\r\nLiterature and Memorabilia:\r\n3 Oliver typewriters, Big Oliver flag-neat!, Box of 12 Oliver sparkplugs, Better Farming Magazines, Lots of Oliver and White literature, Binder of I&amp;T shop manuals from Super 55 to White 2-155, Nice literature for 70 std., 60 and 80 operators manuals, Cletrac W, AD, BGS, &amp; OC12 parts books, 2X6 ft. Old Oliver sign-neat! Keystone emblem for the four digit tractors, Threshing machine literature, White 2-105 parts book-new, a Brick with a plaque on it from the old Charles City factory, Oliver tin signs, two Oliver oil filters, two NOS Oliver outboard motor propellers, Oliver outboard motor stand-rare! Oliver book \"Progress in Tractor power from 1898, Charles City Plant\",\r\n\r\n\r\nMuch more coming before the auction!','',0,'BA==','27pol8h4',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4677,1004,6,807,0,'66.252.38.211',1108902027,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I would like to have one for a 550. Maybe the association can interest a company in developing a series of patterns. these could then be put on hats, T-shirts, coats, etc. I will check with a couple of companies. Do you guys know any 550\'s with red rear rims and the 144 cubes?','',0,'BA==','1gmcdmzg',1,0,'',807,0,0),(4678,726,1,320,0,'168.103.120.86',1108999232,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well, finally got a leak down test done and found #2 cyl had a burnt valve. the bad news is the mechanic said the cylinders are grooved enough to suggest a rebuild.  Looks like now the probllem was low compression causing the hard start, smoke, no power, etc.  This is not what I wanted to hear, but the mystery is now solved.  The repair bill will be about $6000, so I not sure if I want to spend that much on it.  I wonder what might be the smart thing to do?  Mass rebuilder, engine swap with a later model engine (what engine)? Part it out? Convert to gas?  If any body has a good engine and wants a great 88 standard in great shape please contact me.  Thanks for everyone\'s ideas.','',0,'BA==','1g8dxtpv',1,0,'',320,0,0),(4679,359,1,320,0,'168.103.120.86',1108999822,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The problem has been solved, at least we think.  A leak down test revealed burnt valve in #2 and cylinder wall scoring on all cylinders.  It appears low compression is a factor.  Now I need to rebuild ($6000)or get a good used one, or swap for a later model or gas engine.  Any ideas, suggestions or contacts would be appreciated.','',0,'BA==','1esrjn65',1,0,'',320,0,0),(4680,359,1,96,0,'209.143.23.30',1109004679,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','88 Diesel','Get an itemized list of what is included for that money. I would say$1200 would cover parts. $4800 in labor  I don\'t think so. Check your PM too.','',0,'BA==','1gjosz4j',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4681,1115,1,808,0,'204.80.29.131',1109006076,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Need Advice...connecting hydraulic pump to engine of  77 RC','I would like to install a vickers hydraulic pump to my oliver 77 RC and run it directly off the front of the engine via a coupling shaft. The problem is that the front engine pulley is relatively thin and because of its shape looks like it would be hard to attach a shaft too.  \r\nDid the Oliver Industrial or Standard tractors have a crank pulley that was more suited for this type of adaptation than the 77RC pulley?????','',0,'BA==','4wu6t28p',1,0,'',808,0,0),(4682,1116,1,306,0,'203.220.224.170',1109024454,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','PSB 6A Pump','[b:f80equwd]I require either a American Bosch PSB 6A -70Z injector pump distributor head or a plunger for this type of injector pump. Where can I get same please. regards Campbell[/b:f80equwd]','',0,'QA==','f80equwd',1,0,'',306,0,0),(4683,1116,1,96,0,'209.143.23.227',1109032004,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','PSB Pump','First of all it does not have to be a 70Z pump. In fact if one failed Oliver did not furnish it for repairs. Next think The plunger is matched to the hydraulic head and never was available as a seperate part. Any hydraulic head off of any PSB pump from a 6 cylinder Oliver will work. The 70Z tells me you have an early diesel or the pump has been changed. I would like to have a picture of the broken plunger. Questions?','',0,'QA==','1n2lgcu9',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4684,1115,1,96,0,'209.143.23.227',1109032269,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Front mounted pump.','This is a play on words, BUT your front shaft has to be attached to a disk at least say 5/8 inch thick with a  hole in the middle to clear the bolt holding the front pulley on and the shaft then attached to this disk. There are threaded 3/8 inch holes in the pulley hub, therefore you are not actually bolting to the thin part.  What size Vickers are you thinking of using? The reason I asked your shaft has to handle the torque load of the pump. Questions?','',0,'QA==','3pjemw8a',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4686,1118,6,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1109035021,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Louisville Farm Show','I just wanted to say I had a great time visiting with our members at the show! It really got me excited to get the support and well-wishes of those that stopped by. It was also good to see the young people who are still interested in tractors that haven\'t been built in 30 years.\r\n\r\nI especially want to thank those who were able to work at the booth. Harry Deckler, Larry Gay, Lee Smith, Larry Coltrin, Jim Gibbons, Myron Vories and of course Andy, Thank You Very Much!  \r\n\r\nJohn Hume','',0,'QA==','211rd59e',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4688,1120,4,811,0,'4.249.174.153',1109044512,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Crawler Tractors','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  Reference my posting on the buy/sale forum, Oliver Crawler Tractors....I am looking for a buyer.  \r\n\r\nI do not do epay...either I sell or it waits for the scrap man or the restorer\r\n <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: --> \r\nThanx','',0,'QA==','tua3uws7',1,0,'',811,0,0),(4689,1118,6,238,0,'205.188.116.66',1109048298,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey John,\r\nNo need to thank me! Like you, I really enjoyed not only talking to members, but putting faces to some that are on this site and YT. This was my first year at Louisville and it was a great experience.\r\n                                                                               Larry Coltrin','',0,'QA==','3ap0cn6g',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4690,1118,6,358,0,'12.44.216.14',1109080247,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','My pleasure John. I had a great time!!!! Looking forward to next year.\r\n\r\nY\'all have fun at the Winter Get-Together!!!!\r\n\r\nMyron','',0,'QA==','3lvt9snt',1,0,'',358,0,0),(4691,1118,6,358,0,'12.44.216.14',1109080280,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','My pleasure John. I had a great time!!!! Looking forward to next year.\r\n\r\nY\'all have fun at the Winter Get-Together!!!!\r\n\r\nMyron','',0,'QA==','1s7hlvcd',1,0,'',358,0,0),(4692,359,1,320,0,'168.103.120.86',1109090731,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I agree John, I called back and informed them I can get a rebuilt short block for $1699 and free freight from <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.farmerlink.com\">www.farmerlink.com</a><!-- w -->.  They are refiguring the estimate.  (Apparently $1000 per cylinder is a standard for the larger tractors)  I may just order that rebuilt block, put new seats and new valves and should be in for around $3000-$3500.  I also am thinking of upgading to a 1655 283ci, I heard it is a direct replacement, have you heard or know that?','',0,'QA==','3bv99h6l',1,0,'',320,0,0),(4693,1093,2,811,0,'207.69.137.135',1109122094,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','lost post???','<!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? -->  <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: -->  <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? --> randy, did you have a post looking for crawler tractor <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: --> cause if you did, it got lost or deleted <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: --> I was trying to answer and it just would not appear.  \r\n\r\nhope I did not cause <!-- s:oops: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif\" alt=\":oops:\" title=\"Embarassed\" /><!-- s:oops: -->','',0,'QA==','1vxt2w17',1,0,'',811,0,0),(4694,1121,1,811,0,'207.69.137.135',1109122419,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Info on ?Oliver? crawler needed','<!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: --> where can I look on the net for photos of Oliver crawlers <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: -->','',0,'QA==','1lytdb2m',1,0,'',811,0,0),(4695,1122,3,144,0,'169.207.130.122',1109122804,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','safe trip to Moline','Just wanted to wish everyone going to the winter get together in Moline this week to have a safe trip  and we will see you there.\r\n\r\nRandy Esch\r\nPresident\r\nMidwest Oliver Collectors','',0,'QA==','kgq7e3gj',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4696,1121,1,717,0,'64.252.217.173',1109126835,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','oliver crawler pictures','try <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.yesterdaystractors.com\">www.yesterdaystractors.com</a><!-- w --> and type in OLIVER under the \"for sale Photos\"  ....you should come up with a few.  If you look around on that site, there is also a TRACTOR PHOTOS section where subscribers can send in their tractor pictures. I have not checked out this part of the site, but I would suspect you will find something.  What sort of crawlers are you looking for?\r\n                                    Cal','',0,'QA==','3o347zxm',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4697,1121,1,96,0,'209.143.23.92',1109127554,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Crawler photos.','Also go to the Cletrac.org site. They have a photo site','',0,'QA==','3w2r6nmc',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4698,1122,3,80,0,'147.92.2.130',1109222066,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hooray for WTG','I will see you all there tomorrow (Thursday), just in time for the hospitality social! I\'m ready to see everyone again and take a break from college, as well as celebrate my 21st birthday with my Oliver family! Who\'s ready for the gambling boats? <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  If anyone is looking for some fun \"family\" places to go, check out the QC Botanical Center or the Putnam Museum with the Imax Theater. And of course, if you can be \"color-blind\" for a day, there\'s all the different John Deere Commons exhibits. \r\n\r\nSee you all tomorrow!\r\n\r\nAnna','',0,'QA==','2c4pnhzs',1,0,'',80,0,0),(4699,1123,1,803,0,'216.223.167.87',1109296709,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','White over/under','Need a over/under for a White 4-210, took ours apart and it is JUNK. Will be much cheaper to buy a replacement and tune it up than fix ours. Does anybody have a favorite salvage yard they use that maybe I don\'t have a easy way to look up their number?','',0,'QA==','38ep5lo9',1,0,'',803,0,0),(4700,1124,4,43,0,'158.247.216.60',1109297078,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Heil dozer blade','Does anyone know how much a Heil dozer blade for a DD Oliver-Cletrac would cost? I just need the blade. The frame and lift is still attached to the tractor.','',0,'QA==','ko2alk41',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4701,1123,1,803,0,'216.223.167.34',1109380235,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','over/under','Found out today that units out of 4-175, 4-210- and 4-225 are all the same.','',0,'QA==','2dg0oqae',1,0,'',803,0,0),(4702,1125,1,43,0,'158.247.216.47',1109387960,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','buying a crawler','Can someone tell me what to look at when inspecting a 1952 Oliver-Cletrac DD with a heil dozer blade before buying it?','',0,'QA==','2wlln0f4',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4703,1126,4,43,0,'158.247.216.47',1109388286,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','buying a crawler','Can someone tell me what to look at when inspecting a 1952 Oliver-Cletrac DD with a heil dozer blade before buying it?','',0,'QA==','3mh85ah5',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4704,1059,1,291,0,'207.32.7.204',1109472817,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','cultivators','I used Oliver front mount cultivators. Not sure of their #. I\'ll see if I still have a manual. You might go to \"yesterdays tracors\" site and ask info from BA Star. Sure he would know.  Good Luck  jps,  e-mail me if you can\'t find info.  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:scheernj@mtcnet.net\">scheernj@mtcnet.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,'QA==','1ast5skb',1,0,'',291,0,0),(4705,1125,1,717,0,'64.252.217.33',1109518843,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','oliver cletrac','....Boy!  What to look at is/can be a long list. It would also depend on your willingness to make repairs. If it is rough ,but short money and you are willing to go through it....don\'t look too close.\r\n   However, assuming that you would like to purchase something that you can immediately put to work; this is where the list gets long.\r\n check: \r\nthe frame and undercarriage for cracks. If there are welds on the frame, that may be a good indicator of its past life, but also look at the welds....has there been multiple rewelds at the same location? This could just be a consequence of a poor welder or worse. \r\nLook for worn/ loose pads, make sure the steering works well...the outside track should lock up when turning.\r\n Make sure the clutch is strong. \r\nIf the rear sprockets are worn to sharp points they will need replacing (depending on how much you intend to work it). \r\nThe pins and bushings on the tracks shouldn\'t be too worn.(these are the pins connecting each chain link and is driven by the rear sprocket) If the bushing is worn through, it will wear the pin as well. These can be turned 180 degrees by a dealer unless this had already been done which will mean replacement.\r\nCheck for sideways wobble in the front idler which would show bearing wear and check wear on the surface of the idler where the chain makes contact, this will wear thin over time and makes it easier to throw a track...not much fun.\r\nCheck the bottom idlers for wobble too, and look for chips in the outer flanges. A bad idler may have no bearing left. These can be checked by putting down pressure on the blade and lifting the machine up. (you may have to back off on the track adjusters too) Don\'t forget to block up the machine while sticking hands in there.\r\nLook for cracked hydraulic hoses, hydraulic leaks,and be sure the blade raises smoothly....no chatter raising. Will the blade remain in the raised position, or does it drop?\r\nCheck the cutting edge of the blade for wear, some can be flipped over, if this hasn\'t been done already. also look at the backing of the cutting edge, if the cutting edge wasn\'t replaced when worn, the backing will wear also, and there may be little or no metal around the bolt holes.\r\nLook for antifreeze leakage and check the fan for sideways wobble which would show a worn water pump. \r\nWhen you look at the motor, it is pretty much the same as anything else....check for oil leaks, smoking, ease of starting cold and hot, hose condition,fuel leaks, cracks, repairs on the block, missing/ broken bolts, or bolts welded in and misc. \"baling wire\" type repairs.\r\n        I am sure there are things I have missed.... perhaps others can fill in the blanks, but this will get you started. \r\n                                       Cal','',0,'QA==','3rsh2t1o',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4706,1125,1,717,0,'64.252.217.33',1109519261,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver crawler','.......I meant to write bottom ROLLS, not bottom idlers...sorry if there was confusion.         Cal','',0,'QA==','2vw7590y',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4707,1125,1,43,0,'158.247.216.14',1109522867,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','buying a crawler','Calvin,\r\nThanks for the info. I\'ve always liked anything Oliver, but I was never around construction equipment. I\'m going to look it over good as soon as the mud dries a little. Any ideas where I could find a replacement heil blade for the DD? This is the one with outside push armsand the short cylinders mounted up close to the operator.\r\nThanks,\r\nGeoffrey','',0,'QA==','24mwtam6',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4708,1114,3,82,0,'216.106.88.64',1109528878,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','auction prices','I was just curious what the early style 88 side panels brought at the auction Friday night?  I wasn\'t able to get there until Sat. morning.','',0,'QA==','22ybzgxy',1,0,'',82,0,0),(4709,1125,1,717,0,'64.252.217.167',1109549030,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','','If you are looking for Oliver dozer parts, I would try Zimmermans in Pennsylvania or try putting a wanted ad on Yesterdaystractor.com\r\n Start asking around...I am sure someone will suddenly recall one sitting in the weeds somewhere.\r\n                                     Cal','',0,'QA==','2ljvv1yz',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4712,1126,4,47,0,'12.65.174.217',1109604459,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','I would look at the engine and undercarriage first. Check oil pressure carefully, as engine bearings are nearly non-existant until someone finds an inventory someplace. Tracks and rollers need to be in good shape, as they are getting hard to find, but, if you are a decent machinist, you can make most of these parts. Still yet, the material needed is a little pricey.\r\nAnd you will need to have heat treating services available, if you want those parts you make to last.\r\nTake care!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','3flh3tsl',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4713,1124,4,47,0,'12.65.174.217',1109604810,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','You can check with Gary Spitznogle, he had one, his phone # is 319-766-2665, it is not a 6 way. They used 2 different kinds, a 6 way mechanically adjustable, and a straight fixed blade.\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','53rb0ix2',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4714,1127,15,47,0,'12.65.174.217',1109605469,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Winter Get Together','Hey, President Hume,\r\nCongratulations on a job well done!!! The show went well, and there is beginnings of more members becoming active in our organization. I would encourage you continue your work in getting members to become active in serving on committees as well as elected positions. I have always felt that a person can be part of a problem, or part of the solution, by participation in the organization, one becomes part of the solution, which can be very rewarding.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','300gw94i',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4715,1128,3,47,0,'12.65.174.217',1109606049,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Chris,','You got a picture of Harley Dawg!!! I saw where you put him on my posts and told him about it. He said \'Super cool!!!\', he always wanted to be a celebrity, but he is more interested in Jim Kline paying up on the ice cream bill, he thinks Jim will have a hard time getting past the interest on the ice cream!!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','29n1497c',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4716,1129,3,47,0,'12.65.174.217',1109607083,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','To Chapter Presidents,','I would like to take this opportunity to encourage Chapter Presidents to talk to your members about donating items to your chapter, which can be included in our fun auction, with the proceeds going to the HPO Foundation. In the past, chapters have been allowed to put an item in the auction, perhaps, we can do more for this wonderful cause, and donate several items. Often members will have items they have collected, and lost interest in the item. Perhaps your members who have done so would be willing to donate these items. Remember, we get 2 for 1 until we raise $100,000, thanks to an anynomous donor, who pledged matching contributions up to $100,000. So, every cent counts double!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','pdjapldo',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4717,1127,15,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1109608229,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Thanks Andy','I thought things went really well. I heard several comments on the overall organization of the whole weekend. \r\n\r\nThe Midwest Oliver Collectors did a GREAT job!!!\r\n\r\nOther than my lack of public speaking ability, I was very well pleased.\r\n\r\nI\'m glad to see Harley Dog is getting some exposure!\r\n\r\nThanks to all who came and participated, John','',0,'QA==','2k3w0tnj',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4718,1130,15,163,0,'207.177.76.213',1109638790,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPO','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> John I thought the get together went well and had a great time. I wish  I would have thought to ask you about the HPO project in more detail while we were all there. Do we have a mission statement a business plan and all the other things that will crop up since now it seems there is a chance serious money will become available in the future. Just some stuff I thought of on the way home. Good luck Uncle Du','',0,'QA==','njwuhqsn',1,0,'',163,0,0),(4719,1129,3,144,0,'169.207.128.103',1109641557,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','chapter donations','It was an honor that the Midwest Oliver Collectors was able to donate the proceeds of the fun auction at this years winter get together to the HPO Foundation. The funds that we raised exceeded $2700. With that amount being doubled, the total going to the foundation is more than $5400.\r\n\r\nI encourage other chapters, if possible, to do the same, as one day we will reach OUR goal and be able to have OUR Oliver museum.\r\n\r\nThank You all who donated items for this worthy cause. \r\n\r\nRandy Esch\r\nPresident\r\nMidwest Oliver Collectors','',0,'QA==','267txs10',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4720,1127,15,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1109647949,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I was equally impressed when handed an envlope containing a schedule of events for the entire event when I arrived. Every morning the days events were posted in the main lobby and all scheduled events occured at the perscribed time. \r\nIt was well thought out and equally as important, carried out. Lots of \"atta boys and girls\" for all that contributed to the event.\r\n                                                                         Larry Coltrin','',0,'QA==','njsk2cbc',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4721,1127,15,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1109649294,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I sure wanted to go  but No one would even  consider  taking in my dog for  2 days.    so what all did I miss?   <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'QA==','34uw2t1q',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4722,1129,3,47,0,'12.65.102.196',1109680832,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Yes, Randy,\r\nThat was fantastic, but we as chapters can do more if we plan ahead. What the Midwest Oliver Collectors was able to do was a last minute thought, and understandable, as one must cover costs first. It was great that your chapter was able to practice good management in recovering the costs, thus enabling the auction proceeds to go to the foundation.\r\nNow is the time for us as Chapter Presidents to begin planning for an event at the Summer Show in Baraboo, WI. I talked to President Hume concerning this last night, there will be an event where items can be donated, the details are still being worked out.\r\nOne of the things Appalachian Hart Parr Oliver Cletrac Club will be doing is a \'Tear Down Day\'. President Hume mentioned he had a donor tractor he would be willing to give our chapter, I told him we would take it, I\'ll come get it. Hopefully, we might find others. Then, we will take a day, get together, and disassemble this into parts, crate them up, and me or another member will bring these parts to the Summer Show, to be sold at auction, with proceeds going to HPO Foundation.\r\n Chapters have proven time and time again to be one of HPOCA\'s greatest assets. Now is the time we should start planning to make this point again. As you know, at our committee meeting we had many Chapter Presidents who are innovative thinkers, and problem solvers. We need to get to work on this, so that HPOCA will have time to do some promotion of this fund raiser.\r\n You should send my regards concerning the wonderful job your members did in producing the Winter Get Together. I think we all had a wonderful time, your members work well together!!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','1b7batyx',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4723,1130,15,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1109687008,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Duane,\r\n\r\nI enjoyed visiting with You, Bill and Justin.\r\n\r\nThe HPO had a short meeting. It was mainly for a little reorganization. Being elected president automatically put me on the HPO board. I asked Terry Allen to continue on the board because he has been the link between HPOCA and the groups we have been working with. This made for one too many members so we had to approve changing the make up of the board.\r\n\r\nTo answer your question, no vision statement, time-frame, or location has been put down on paper at this time. I heard from several members, like you, that believe the museum idea is a worthy goal but they are having a hard time getting behind something that is not tangible.  \r\n\r\nIt\'s kind of a which came first; \"The chicken or the egg?\" situation in that we need to raise money to get some things planned and on paper, and yet it\'s hard to raise money if there\'s no plan. \r\n\r\nThere will be some information on the HPO in the next issue of the magazine. Hopefully it will shed some light on things.\r\n\r\nHope that helps some, John.','',0,'QA==','39jz7ccy',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4724,1127,15,12,0,'69.128.201.235',1109687655,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Eddie,\r\n\r\nI wish you could have been there. \r\n\r\nParts and merchandise vendors both Fri and Sat. Parts and memorabilia auction Fri night.\r\n\r\nSeminars on sheet metal repair and toy tractor collecting.\r\n\r\nBus tour to see the Meeker collection.\r\n\r\nBanquet with guest speakers and \"Fun\" auction Sat night. \r\n\r\nAnd overall good fellowship with other Hart-Parr/Oliver collectors.\r\n\r\nI hope you can make the Summer Show. Don\'t be afraid to bring your dog along, Harley could use some company.\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'QA==','5dxryv2c',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4725,1131,1,10611,0,'209.124.32.184',1109692967,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Ontario Canada HPOCA Chapter','There is going to be an organizational meeting for the new Ontario chapter of the HPOCA on March 26th, 2005. For more information check out the following link.\r\n[url:6cb58xvm]http&#58;//www&#46;hartparroliver&#46;org/WOSTAmeeting&#46;htm[/url:6cb58xvm]\r\n\r\nBe sure to also visit their web site at [url:6cb58xvm]http&#58;//www&#46;steamthresher&#46;com[/url:6cb58xvm]','',0,'EA==','6cb58xvm',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4726,1132,3,10611,0,'209.124.32.184',1109693169,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Ontario Chapter of the HPOCA','There is going to be an organizational meeting for the new Ontario chapter of the HPOCA on March 26th, 2005. For more information check out the following link.\r\n[url:32yujfls]http&#58;//www&#46;hartparroliver&#46;org/WOSTAmeeting&#46;htm[/url:32yujfls]\r\n\r\nBe sure to also visit their web site at [url:32yujfls]http&#58;//www&#46;steamthresher&#46;com[/url:32yujfls]','',0,'EA==','32yujfls',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4727,1133,5,10611,0,'209.124.32.184',1109693449,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','AOL users','Some of our AOL users have reported problems with not being able to stay logged in when at the forums. I have made an adjustment that should help with this problem. \r\n\r\nIf you continue to have a problem with staying logged in on the forums, please send me an email at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e --> and I\'ll see what I can do.\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'EA==','77zm9mo8',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4728,1112,1,200,0,'165.139.65.1',1109704369,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','88 diesel','Where is the 88 diesel located and how much are they asking? I am located in Southern Ind and would be interested in looking at it. Please reply to <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:KSKnies@cs.com\">KSKnies@cs.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'EA==','3pxzbu7l',1,0,'',200,0,0),(4729,1133,5,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1109734313,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','gee  I didnt  know  there was  a problem...  someone was really on  their toes... thanks  CHRIS','',0,'EA==','xkcrzzsd',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4730,1130,15,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1109734567,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','as for my problems with the HPO  has been  I aint seen any \"vision\" or list of  ideas even..  thats  Mostly my fault I know.   but I  know others have that same  thought.','',0,'EA==','ntrifu2u',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4731,1127,15,614,0,'152.163.100.136',1109734729,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I  was  seriously considering    packing  PARKER up  and heading west -- then I rembered  Parker  dont like  trucks---  jumps at them  when she\'s riding   right across your arms  on the steering wheel...   LOL','',0,'EA==','22q2k9g4',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4732,1134,3,10611,0,'209.124.32.159',1109776475,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','March/April 2005 issue','Start watching your mailboxes, the March/April issue of the HPOCA magazine went in the mail March 1st.\r\n\r\n[img:36bnqw1x]http&#58;//www&#46;hartparroliver&#46;org/FrontCover16-2&#46;jpg[/img:36bnqw1x]\r\n\r\nDon\'t forget the deadline for the May/June issue is coming up on the 10th!!','',0,'CA==','36bnqw1x',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4733,1133,5,10611,0,'209.124.32.162',1109776897,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','It\'s odd. Some AOL users have had no problems at all, and some can\'t get past the login. It has to do with AOL and how your IP address can change every time you click a link. AOL just does things the way they want.\r\n\r\nFor the forum, it means I had to lower a security feature a little so that it can allow slight variations in IP addresses. So far, it seems to have helped at least one member to be able to log on.','',0,'CA==','15omlhkr',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4734,1134,3,80,0,'147.92.2.130',1109788602,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Wow!','Definitely wasn\'t expecting to see Dad\'s 770 military make the front cover, what an honor! Makes that army green look a lot prettier with the flag graphic behind it <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> Can\'t wait til spring break to go home and read the magazine!\r\n\r\nAnna Grimm','',0,'CA==','1qd0kwjb',1,0,'',80,0,0),(4735,1135,1,814,0,'63.68.155.194',1109806975,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','1800 C Diesel - Information Please','Folks:\r\n\r\nI am usually an IH guy, but I found out that one of our neighbors is selling out in a few weeks. He has an Oliver 1800 C Diesel that is going to go. I thought that it might be the right size for our operation. Can any of you give me some information and thoughts on this machine so I can make an informed decision?  I plan to contact the owner tonight and do an inspection this weekend.\r\n\r\nIf I decided to purchase this tractor, we would use it to pull a NH 495 Haybine, a square baler, and loader work.  I would appreciate any thoughts.\r\n\r\nJim\r\n\r\n[img:3pz3fx5a]http&#58;//daughertyauction&#46;com/032005_image2&#46;jpg[/img:3pz3fx5a]','',0,'CA==','3pz3fx5a',1,0,'',814,0,0),(4736,1134,3,7,0,'205.188.116.136',1109819790,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:o --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif\" alt=\":o\" title=\"Surprised\" /><!-- s:o --> I hate when that happens, the Old Allis News and the Hart-Parr Oliver Collector show up the same day and I lose a bunch of sleep reading them from cover to cover. LOL <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? -->','',0,'CA==','bzigreuz',1,0,'',7,0,0),(4737,1134,3,614,0,'64.12.116.136',1109821559,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I have the same problem--with almost every  brand\'s magazine--- but I never get to see them since normally DAD gets them takes them to his chair and I never see any of them <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->   \r\n\r\nLOL..  got  the last oliver mag  stashed away this time LOL','',0,'CA==','2drx5ok6',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4738,1129,3,144,0,'169.207.135.39',1109902836,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy,\r\n\r\n\r\n  I agree with you, that by planning ahead for an event such as the auction, getting good quality items and advertising that the proceeds will go to the foundation, can result in lots of money for the foundation.\r\n\r\n But by all means it wasn\'t a last minute decision to donate the proceeds of the auction. we had decided that months before hand, when I recieved a letter asking chapters to have fund raisers and donate what ever they can to the foundation.\r\n\r\nLooking forward to the auction at Baraboo!\r\n\r\nTalk to you later,\r\nRandy','',0,'CA==','y0pir080',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4739,1129,3,489,0,'209.7.140.4',1109943311,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPO foundation','I agree with Randy that getting good quality items donated and advertising is the key. \r\n\r\nThe fun auction at the banquet had about 25 items donated by members of the Midwest Oliver Collectors and the dedicated vendors that attended that weekend. Everyone attending the banquet knew in advance where the proceeds were going and I think we had some very generous bidders in attendance. We also didn\'t want the auction to go over an hour long, so people could socialize after. \r\n\r\nI for one had an excellent time and can\'t wait for Baraboo,  \r\n\r\nBrad \r\n <!-- s8) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\"8)\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s8) -->','',0,'CA==','3uilkceb',1,0,'',489,0,0),(4740,944,1,597,0,'24.64.177.95',1110146668,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','the row crop and the standard should be the same in all respects. will get the specs and get back to you.','',0,'CA==','18k5hprp',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4741,944,1,597,0,'24.64.177.95',1110150324,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','found the following info for you\r\nmanufactured-1937-1948\r\ndrawbar hp-27.6 hp\r\npto hp-38.11\r\nfuel-gas\r\ncylinders-4\r\ntransmission-4 forward\r\n                  -1 reverse\r\ntires-7.50-18 front\r\n      -12.75-28 rear\r\nweight-8150 lbs','',0,'CA==','l4mje7ov',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4742,944,1,597,0,'24.64.177.95',1110150613,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','decided to read the rest of your posting\r\ni purchased a 1937 cockshutt 80, which is the oliver 80 in a red coat.\r\ni paid 150.00 cdn for mine,but it needs a complete restoration,incuding tires,block work,head and all the rest that goes with it.\r\nhave heard of them going as high as 2800 u.s. in showroom condition.\r\ni guess it just depends on how far you want to go with ti.','',0,'CA==','1qqxfapw',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4743,813,1,597,0,'24.64.177.95',1110151169,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','this may sound a little crazy,but find a Continental Engine dealer.they quite often have info for a wide variety of old engines.If all else fails,contact Continental Engines Ltd. Edmonton AB. CA.\r\nphone (780) 426-3890 or fax at (780)469-9706. The person to speak to would be James. Hope this info helps.','',0,'CA==','1h3dupxe',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4744,565,1,597,0,'24.64.177.95',1110151399,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','i am in the process of restoring my cockshutt 80 and have a line on some places that have parts.drop me an e-mail at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:grumpyhappy@hotmail.com\">grumpyhappy@hotmail.com</a><!-- e --> and i will try to help you locate the parts you need.','',0,'CA==','36up6057',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4747,1137,1,718,0,'24.34.39.42',1110227657,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','OC-3 moved today','Today at school we fired up and moved my father Oc-3 that we have been working on since September. The steering still needs to be freed up but it was a good feeling to watch something that move around that came in on a forklift. I just thought you guys would like to know.\r\nI havent written in a while since for christmas I got a Farmall Cub I have been on that forum.\r\nScott Darowski','',0,'CA==','m9wxc3gd',1,0,'',718,0,0),(4749,1134,3,188,0,'64.255.108.39',1110246682,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','it arrived today,   The picture on the back cover was taken by my Dad, Lawrence Miller, in July 1949.  It was the last time they used the threshing machine.  One not about the tractor,  It was the new 1938 streamlined model   and was delivered to them at the end of december 1937.  It was still used regularly on the farm till the early 1970\'s.  I have a 1938 like it that many of you saw running the grist mill at Penfield.','',0,'CA==','3tp4n7x3',1,0,'',188,0,0),(4750,1134,3,12,0,'69.128.202.35',1110248001,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I got mine today also! I skimmed through it, looks to be another good\'un.\r\n\r\nThat\'s a neat picture Keith. Thanks for sharing it with us.\r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'CA==','yrjxzybd',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4751,565,1,788,0,'198.81.26.48',1110286033,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','where are you colo80 i have several parts 80\'s i could have a look for those parts','',0,'CA==','3l7tstdu',1,0,'',788,0,0),(4752,1137,1,12,0,'69.128.202.35',1110291673,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I remember those projects at school. \r\n\r\nIt\'s a shame the Ag program at our school has been cut down to the bare bones. I guess more kids will earn a living playing sports than will ever need to repair or maintain their tractor, car, lawn mower etc. \r\n\r\nEnough from the soap box, Good Luck with your OC-3!','',0,'CA==','1tsmcpup',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4753,1137,1,717,0,'204.60.53.9',1110337655,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','oliver oc-3','Thanks for sending along the pictures of your project.   you ought to post them here on the website so others can enjoy them also.    Yeah, I have a couple of red tractors also...., and orange , and yellow.\r\n                              Cal Innes','',0,'CA==','1qye0wds',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4754,1137,1,43,0,'158.247.216.15',1110340850,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','They closed our ag program  after my junior year. We fought and still lost it. The thing that really makes me mad about the whole deal is that about half of the school board are farmers! They all voted to cancel it. <!-- s:x --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":x\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:x -->  One of them was even the ag teacher several years ago.','',0,'CA==','1k3qbcio',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4755,1137,1,10611,0,'209.124.32.131',1110341557,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','The ag teacher I had was smart, and retired when the school wanted to put up a new gym. They knew that if they canceled the ag program right when they wanted money for more gym than they really needed, that the voters (mostly farmers) would never give them the money. \r\n\r\nWe now have a fantastic young ag teacher, and enrollment in the ag program and FFA are higher than they have been in years. The kids have been winning competitions on the State level, so I doubt that our ag program will be cut for some time to come. I\'ve been meaning to talk to them about restoring an Oliver of some kind in the near future.....','',0,'CA==','3dqg7hni',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4756,1099,1,109,0,'216.65.186.42',1110403849,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The 1972 Better Farming full line catalog says the 710 makes the same\r\nsize bale and has the same capacity. The only difference is the 710 has\r\na 51in wide pickup with 48 tines. A 720 is 56in. wide with 96 tines.','',0,'CA==','2pvazrj6',1,0,'',109,0,0),(4757,1134,3,40,0,'64.12.116.136',1110419852,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Boy, I hope it comes tomorrow,  I\'m going on a trip to NC on Firday and would like to take it along to read.  Maybe I\'ll luck out.  <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: --> \r\n\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'CA==','299hv59c',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4758,1134,3,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1110423888,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I really enjoy those old photos on the back cover more than anything. I sure brings back some memories of a younger and simpler time.\r\n                                                                 Larry Coltrin','',0,'CA==','18kluo53',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4759,1134,3,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1110423944,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I really enjoy those old photos on the back cover more than anything. I sure brings back some memories of a younger and simpler time.\r\n                                                                 Larry Coltrin','',0,'CA==','36oce05j',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4760,1139,2,786,0,'64.12.116.136',1110427752,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Hart Parr 18-36 &amp; 28-50 Pennsylvania Action Results','FYI - Cross Motor Hart Parr Pennsylvania Auction Results  \r\n\r\nJan 8 2005 Leola, PA Wolgemuth Auction: <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.wolgemuth-auction.com\">www.wolgemuth-auction.com</a><!-- w -->\r\nA Hart Parr 18-36 in good running condition, complete sold for $8,900 -- This auction was listed on page 46 in January\'s Gas Engine Mazine\r\n\r\nFeb 25, 2005 Leola, PA  Beiler\'s Auction also conducted by Wolgemuth\r\nA Hart Parr 28-50 in good running condition, complete sold for $7,200','',0,'CA==','27tyz14m',1,0,'',786,0,0),(4761,1134,3,40,0,'152.163.100.136',1110518154,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','It came today, so I\'ll have something to read on the way to NC.  Looks very interesting. \r\n\r\nI see there is more info on the HPO Foundation, but where in the heck are they thinking about building that museum?  South Bend?\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'CA==','3pp23kqo',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4763,1134,3,47,0,'12.64.216.131',1110635380,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Bill,','I don\'t think it would be wise to make that decision yet. By doing so, one could alienate potential donors, let me explain. If a donor which would be willing to contribute a large amount, and has another specific location, wishing it to be located there, observes such a decision has been made, would not be so inclined to contribute. Whereas, if the option is open, this leaves room to negotiate. I am looking forward to the time when we have over 10% of the needed capital, at that time we will have proven we are capable of raising and managing money. Which will be attractive to those willing to contribute the larger amounts. It is kind of like in the banking business, go in to get a loan, the loan officer will want to know what you are going to bring into the deal, if your answer doesn\'t contain something about money, you probably will be turned down. That is unless you have a good ongoing business relationship with the institution. Just like bankers, philantropists want your venture to succeed, by bringing something into the deal, you prove you are willing and able to make it succeed, and willing to risk your own money to make it happen. So, we do fundraisers, if the members want this to happen it will, if not it won\'t.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'CA==','1gdbohxk',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4764,1137,1,718,0,'24.34.39.42',1110648419,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','a few years ago they took out the carpentry program and put in a diesel program to go with the ag mech. They are talking about putting in a heavy equiptment opperation one too\r\n\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/scottdarowski/1956%20oliver%20OC-3/100_0531.jpg\">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/ ... 0_0531.jpg</a><!-- m -->\r\n\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/scottdarowski/1956%20oliver%20OC-3/100_0907.jpg\">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/ ... 0_0907.jpg</a><!-- m -->','',0,'CA==','25b97sd9',1,0,'',718,0,0),(4765,1123,1,22,0,'67.0.84.236',1110777593,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think the 4-225 had what we designated the Heavy Duty O/U.  It was a higher capacity unit than the \"Super\" O/U that was in the 4-210.  If you could find a Heavy Duty O/U, it probably would fit your 4-210.  Other tractors that had the Heavy Duty O/U were the White 160, 170?, 185, and 195.','',0,'CA==','2sc199at',1,0,'',22,0,0),(4766,1141,1,22,0,'67.0.84.241',1110778626,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Can an Oliver 1655 pull a White 5100 12-30 planter?','I just bought a White 5100 12 row 30 inch planter to fix up and use.  Will either the 1655 2WD or FWA pull this planter with no attachments on level ground?','',0,'CA==','pnzb6cpm',1,0,'',22,0,0),(4767,1142,1,779,0,'152.163.100.136',1110846603,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1655 canopy &amp; 11X15 SL offset rims','Continuing to restore the 1655 Diesel. Does anyone know where I can find an original ROPS Canopy for it?  Also, I would like wider tires on the front 11X15SL offset.  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'CA==','3mvyfi90',1,0,'',779,0,0),(4768,1142,1,22,0,'67.0.84.56',1110855134,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','You can buy the correct rims for a 1655, 15 X 8, with a non standard offset from Wold\'s in St. Ansgar, Iowa.  641-713-4751.  Apparently the manufacturers could not get the non standard rims, as my 1655 had the wrong rims as did a John Deere 4320 that I bought.  With the correct rim, they can be installed with the nice looking side of the rim out.','',0,'CA==','34c9h7dp',1,0,'',22,0,0),(4769,1143,1,725,0,'216.153.130.133',1110917845,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','550 alternator bracket','I am hoping to install an alternator on my 550 because I do alot of snowplowing at night and I need all the light power I can get.  Does anyone know of a source for an alternator mounting bracket?  Any info would be appreciated!','',0,'CA==','f0b9f37l',1,0,'',725,0,0),(4771,1142,1,779,0,'198.74.20.73',1110995541,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Canopies','Thanks Dean.  How is your feature on the 1655 coming? Asside from the starting and brakes you can\'t beat that tractor.','',0,'CA==','259q69y6',1,0,'',779,0,0),(4772,1145,1,779,0,'198.74.20.73',1110995682,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','AGCO White backdrop on National TV','Did you guys see the story on colon cancer this morning on NBC Today\'s Show. They had a AGCO White in the background when they interviewed the family from South Dakota. They even showed him starting it up.  Pretty Cool.  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'CA==','1w8t3m7n',1,0,'',779,0,0),(4773,1146,1,717,0,'204.60.44.138',1111022335,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','oliver 4240 plow','I recently bought an Oliver 4240 plow, 3 bottom, in pretty good shape. The only question I have is the rear trailer wheel....it is a 15 inch tire off some little car. Is this correct? I figure it should be more like a 12 inch implement tire or a tire made for a trailer wheel. Anyone shed a little light on this??\r\n                       Thanks,    Cal','',0,'CA==','135ehppq',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4774,1146,1,144,0,'169.207.92.55',1111024613,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','4240 plow','I have a 4340 3 bottom plow and it has a 15 inch rear tail wheel also.\r\naccording to my literature it came standard with 15 inch wheels all around.','',0,'CA==','14sc6cm6',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4775,1147,1,779,0,'205.188.116.196',1111031869,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Auction Bargains?','Looks like there could be some bargains at this auction, albeit neglected and abused. \r\n\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.sdauctions.com/index.php?cmd=preview_auction&amp;aid=1115#\">http://www.sdauctions.com/index.php?cmd ... &amp;aid=1115#</a><!-- m -->[/url]','',0,'','2q10ba61',1,0,'',779,0,0),(4777,1141,1,803,0,'216.223.167.108',1111033223,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','We used to pull our 16 row with a 2255 and had a full 175hp on the dyno when last checked, really worked it hard, of course we had no till fertilizer coulters and frame mount no till coulters on our planter. Replaced the 2255 with a 4-175 turned up to 210hp and it barely knows it back there. Used to easily pull our old 8 row with a 1855 and standard dry fertilizer coulters.  Big question would be what kind of starter fertilizer do you plan to use if any and how mellow is your ground? Am 36 years old and can never remember having any other planters other than the whites and I would really think that a 1655 would be really lacking in the horsey department.','',0,'','3q9t8lb8',1,0,'',803,0,0),(4778,1141,1,803,0,'216.223.167.108',1111033402,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Just remembered something. One of our neighbors had a 12 row white planter and pulled it with a 1950T?  At least I believe that is what it was, had the four cylinder 2 stroke diesel in it. Anyways he could always keep the black smoke rolling with the 12 row behind it.','',0,'','karojol2',1,0,'',803,0,0),(4779,1141,1,37,0,'65.6.10.31',1111109803,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Down the road and in some southern sand. I think it would lack some ponies in good soil.','',0,'','2skjibbu',1,0,'',37,0,0),(4780,1146,1,717,0,'204.60.207.100',1111142792,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','4240 plow','Thanks for the reply, guess I will keep a 15 inch tire on the rear....but will change it to one that doesn\'t have the steel belt hanging out!\r\n                                  Cal','',0,'','i4ydtvlh',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4781,1149,1,12,0,'69.128.202.35',1111151590,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver on ebay','Has anyone looked at that Oliver in ebay? The guy is calling it an industrial 70. The pictures of the before show a 25 on the front.\r\n\r\nI\'m not up on those models and wondered if anyone else could indentify it.\r\n\r\nHe seems to want a pretty good price for it, maybe not if it IS an Airport model.\r\n\r\nJust curious, John.','',0,'','1yw4v1c0',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4782,1137,1,47,0,'12.65.198.160',1111233532,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Our Vo Ag still does one tractor per year, but, it is mostly financed by donation.','',0,'','i32xel7g',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4783,1146,1,297,0,'68.252.68.176',1111267440,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','tail wheel','I just read your post after being away from computer for a couple weeks. I looked at my 4240 literature. The older piece of SALES literature shows a smaller 4 bolt tail wheel (12\" maybe). The set up and operators manual shows the larger rim and tire. My old 4240 has the smaller rim on it. As far as I can tell the early units with the CAST tailwheel lift lever had the small rim/tire, and the later plows with the fabricated weldment lever had the larger set up.','',0,'','1mtaf433',1,0,'',297,0,0),(4784,1146,1,717,0,'204.60.53.97',1111273263,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','4240 plow','just walked in...I was glad to get that info from IanC because I recently got a single page picture and info....probably a dealers handout for the 4240 plow and this has the picture of the small tail wheel. As you say, it must have changed with the introduction of a later model.\r\n                                             Cal','',0,'','at7mw8mz',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4785,1135,1,366,0,'170.215.119.30',1111298236,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','should do it','I would say it would be plenty for what you are wanting to do. A C series diesel is rated around 80 HP which is mone enough to pull a baler. We use newer JD\'s for haying and run 70 HP tractors to cut bale and roll with now problems. heck we used to pull the round baler with a JD 5500 which is around 60-65 horse with no probs at all. \r\n\r\n  Besides. I think that 80HP in the mid 60\'s is more usable power than 80HP in a tractor built now is. I just bought a 1800 B series diesel for a third tractor in our operation and have no doubts it will pull anything I can hook it to.','',0,'','7a5v3n5f',1,0,'',366,0,0),(4786,1150,1,756,0,'63.77.201.32',1111373760,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 55 Hydraulic Pump','Hey guys I have a quick question about my super 55\'s hydraulic pump. My 55\'s hydraulic pump filter is in the front like the later style, but my dipstick is up by the shifter and there is a lever under the seat not by the 3pt lift lever that works the draft control. Can anyone tell me if I have a 9qt reservoir or the 6qt without draining it and measuring how much it takes? I\'ve heard there is an extension that screws on to the dipstick mount? I don\'t have this. I do have I&amp;T manual which what got me wondering all this in the first place. Also this lever under the seat that controls the draft control is it on or off only ?\r\nThanks Ross','',0,'','33bribxn',1,0,'',756,0,0),(4788,1150,1,96,0,'209.143.23.143',1111448117,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 55 Hydraulic capacity','I just looked at a Super 55 at the show in Indian last weekend. How thick (high) is the casting where your dipstick is if measured from the transmission case. Somewhere packed away I have a bulletin that talks about the later hydraulic housins. Hope this information for measuring this makes sense.','',0,'','2g1flvc4',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4789,1150,1,756,0,'63.77.201.32',1111466028,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 55 Hydraulic Pump','John, I\'ll measure it tomorrow and get back to you.\r\nThanks Ross','',0,'','1u34qsn5',1,0,'',756,0,0),(4790,1151,1,627,0,'205.188.116.196',1111545665,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1650 gas: alternator not workng','Alternator quit and I took old unit to parts store and it tested bad. Put the new one on and still had a discharge with the lights on, went back to store and got a regulator put in on and no change. Had new alternator tested and it is ok. What\'s next??? I have made sure battery is charged each time.\r\nAny help is appreciated\r\nRalph550','',0,'','3rvz2voe',1,0,'',627,0,0),(4791,1152,1,827,0,'63.26.14.171',1111545686,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Oliver Superior Manure Spreader','I am in search of an image of the logo along the sides of an Oliver Superior manure spreader. \r\nI am making stencils for a local collector/restorer of farm implements.\r\nI have a small photo of the spreader, but the image is so small that even scanning and enlarging it is not any great help. \r\nIt has a sort of wing pattern at both ends, and in between the words \"Oliver\" and \"Superior\", it has some sort of image that I cannot make out.\r\nAny type of image would be helpful, be it a photo, or drawing, anything.\r\n\r\nI have done a lot of different ones for a few various collectors in the area and am very pleased to help them out, these type of projects are always interesting to me, and sometimes quite a challenge!\r\n\r\nI could post the small photo if need be.\r\n\r\nThank You!','',0,'','1pa09vpp',1,0,'',827,0,0),(4792,1153,1,387,0,'216.68.49.2',1111668591,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','White Tractors-Serial #','This may be off-topic, but is there a good website to find the year of manufacture for White tractors, by serial number?\r\n\r\nThanks <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) --> ','',0,'Ag==','za4j87ue',1,0,'',387,0,0),(4794,1153,1,717,0,'204.60.53.129',1111885983,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','White serial numbers','I have some info/serial numbers for White tractors. What model and serial number do you have? I will check it against what I have and maybe it will help you out.\r\n                     Cal','',0,'Ag==','1diy0nkm',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4796,1155,3,18,0,'70.69.82.62',1112027145,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','New Chapters','I see that Ontario is organizing for a Chapter of the HPOCA. I can\'t help noticing that most chapters are in the midwest of the US. I live in British Columbia and I understand why there isn\'t a chapter here. I just don\'t see many Olivers around here. However, when I drive just below the border to Washington I see tons of them. There are quite a few at the Lynden, Washington show every year and was wondering why Washingtion doesn\'t have a chapter?','',0,'Ag==','23xzsuf5',1,0,'',18,0,0),(4798,1157,1,597,0,'161.184.202.115',1112029602,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPOCA Expansion','It is good to see that the HPOCA has expanded to Ontario. What would be even better is a chapter in each of the prairie provinces. I believe that it would go over quite well given the chance and some exposure.','',0,'Ag==','vuv2fq17',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4799,1155,3,459,0,'63.26.252.227',1112046934,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Washington State Chapter','Super 55:\r\n\r\nI\'m sure the HPOCA would love to have a chapter in Washington. All we would need would be a few interested members to spearhead the thing like in Ontario. You could even be part of it being from British Columbia. Some of the people organizing the Ontario Chapter had previously went to Oliver Gang events.\r\n\r\nIf anyone is interested in starting a Washington State area chapter contact our Membership Director:\r\n\r\nBill Meeker \r\n2962 50th Ave. \r\nN. Henderson, IL 61466 \r\n309-464-5343 \r\n\r\nI\'m sure Bill would be glad to give you all the guidelines for starting a chapter and whatever help the HPOCA can give.\r\n\r\n--Marc Sletten--\r\n\r\nDirector of Promotions &amp; Publicity','',0,'Ag==','1nesd8ku',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4800,1155,3,12,0,'69.128.200.148',1112100399,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Northwest Collectors','Super 55,\r\n\r\nI think a Chapter in the Northwest would be great! I checked my membership directory and there are over 150 members from Washington, Oregon, and BC. \r\n\r\nWith 150 members in that area, I\'m sure there\'s enough interest to start a chapter. With the exposure of a chapter at local shows, membership would surely increase. \r\n\r\nWhat are the big shows in the area? Do they have a feature tractor each year? \r\n\r\nI see Olivers on ebay and in ads that are in Washington, so I know they\'re out there. \r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'Ag==','3dowssqf',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4801,1155,3,18,0,'70.69.82.62',1112117035,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The biggest show around me is the Lyden, Washington show the first week of August. Each year has a featured tractor. Several years ago it was Oliver. They constructed a large wooden sign in the shape of an Oliver Crest, like the one you might see at the fairs that the Oliver corperation would set up displays.\r\n\r\nThe biggest problem with starting a chapter in Washington is that we are too spread out. I was hoping that most of the Oliver owners were from the northwest part of the state, the distances between major populations out here is BIG.','',0,'Ag==','3ulw2j7z',1,0,'',18,0,0),(4802,1157,1,140,0,'216.95.136.126',1112142860,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Its offical now, Ontario has the first HPOCA in Canada. \r\n\r\nTo other Canadians in other provinces, by all means go for one too. It will involve a little work but you too can start one. Surprising how many OLIVER collectors are in Ontario.  Go for it brother collectors.','',0,'Ag==','x56b73pl',1,0,'',140,0,0),(4803,1158,3,459,0,'63.26.231.184',1112155175,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Iowa Cornbelt Oliver Collectors Spring Plow Day - 4/02/2005','[b:sa44vwcd]SPRING PLOW DAY 2005[/b:sa44vwcd] \r\n \r\n[b:sa44vwcd]Blane Bolte [/b:sa44vwcd]has graciously offered to host us this [b:sa44vwcd]Saturday, April 2, 2005 [/b:sa44vwcd]at his farm just east of [b:sa44vwcd]Walcott, IA[/b:sa44vwcd].  The starting time is approximately [b:sa44vwcd]10:00 AM [/b:sa44vwcd]and we will be having our noon meal there.  \r\n \r\n[b:sa44vwcd]Directions:[/b:sa44vwcd] \r\n\r\nTake the Walcott exit off of I-80, head south to the T-interesection.  Turn left (east) and go approx. 3 miles to our plow site on the south side of the road.  There is a large white grain bin on the property and I\'m sure Blane will have something sitting out to identify this as an Oliver plow site.\r\nIf you need more directions or have questions please call Blane at 563-381-3693.\r\n \r\n[b:sa44vwcd]Meal:[/b:sa44vwcd] \r\n\r\nPotluck, if your last name begins with [b:sa44vwcd]A - L[/b:sa44vwcd] please bring a main dish to share, if your last name begins with [b:sa44vwcd]M - Z[/b:sa44vwcd] please bring a salad and/or dessert to share as well as a drink.  Everyone will need to bring their own table service, and portable seating (folding chair, lawn chair etc.) is a good idea too.  There will be electicity available if you want to plug in a crock pot or warming device of some kind.\r\n \r\nBlane does not have a loading dock, but is planning to have a lift tractor on hand to help with unloading plows.  The weather report for this weekend in Blane\'s area is [b:sa44vwcd]GREAT!, [/b:sa44vwcd]however if by some chance it will not work Blane has picked the following Saturday, [b:sa44vwcd]April 9, 2005 [/b:sa44vwcd]as his rain date.\r\n \r\nPLEASE pass this message along to everyone you can think of who might possibly be interested in coming!\r\n\r\nMarc Sletten\r\nPresident\r\nIowa Cornbelt Oliver Collectors Chapter','',0,'QA==','sa44vwcd',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4804,1159,1,459,0,'63.26.231.184',1112155510,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Iowa Cornbelt Oliver Collectors Spring Plow Day - 4/02/2005','[b:vrhc45yq]SPRING PLOW DAY 2005[/b:vrhc45yq] \r\n \r\n[b:vrhc45yq]Blane Bolte [/b:vrhc45yq]has graciously offered to host us this [b:vrhc45yq]Saturday, April 2, 2005 [/b:vrhc45yq]at his farm just east of [b:vrhc45yq]Walcott, IA[/b:vrhc45yq].  The starting time is approximately [b:vrhc45yq]10:00 AM [/b:vrhc45yq]and we will be having our noon meal there.  \r\n \r\n[b:vrhc45yq]Directions:[/b:vrhc45yq] \r\n\r\nTake the Walcott exit off of I-80, head south to the T-interesection.  Turn left (east) and go approx. 3 miles to our plow site on the south side of the road.  There is a large white grain bin on the property and I\'m sure Blane will have something sitting out to identify this as an Oliver plow site.\r\nIf you need more directions or have questions please call Blane at 563-381-3693.\r\n \r\n[b:vrhc45yq]Meal:[/b:vrhc45yq] \r\n\r\nPotluck, if your last name begins with [b:vrhc45yq]A - L[/b:vrhc45yq] please bring a main dish to share, if your last name begins with [b:vrhc45yq]M - Z[/b:vrhc45yq] please bring a salad and/or dessert to share as well as a drink.  Everyone will need to bring their own table service, and portable seating (folding chair, lawn chair etc.) is a good idea too.  There will be electicity available if you want to plug in a crock pot or warming device of some kind.\r\n \r\nBlane does not have a loading dock, but is planning to have a lift tractor on hand to help with unloading plows.  The weather report for this weekend in Blane\'s area is [b:vrhc45yq]GREAT!, [/b:vrhc45yq]however if by some chance it will not work Blane has picked the following Saturday, [b:vrhc45yq]April 9, 2005 [/b:vrhc45yq]as his rain date.\r\n \r\nPLEASE pass this message along to everyone you can think of who might possibly be interested in coming!\r\n\r\nMarc Sletten\r\nPresident\r\nIowa Cornbelt Oliver Collectors Chapter','',0,'QA==','vrhc45yq',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4805,1160,6,459,0,'63.26.231.184',1112155659,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Iowa Cornbelt Oliver Collectors Spring Plow Day - 4/02/2005','[b:yhzh3t6m]SPRING PLOW DAY 2005[/b:yhzh3t6m] \r\n \r\n[b:yhzh3t6m]Blane Bolte [/b:yhzh3t6m]has graciously offered to host us this [b:yhzh3t6m]Saturday, April 2, 2005 [/b:yhzh3t6m]at his farm just east of [b:yhzh3t6m]Walcott, IA[/b:yhzh3t6m].  The starting time is approximately [b:yhzh3t6m]10:00 AM [/b:yhzh3t6m]and we will be having our noon meal there.  \r\n \r\n[b:yhzh3t6m]Directions:[/b:yhzh3t6m] \r\n\r\nTake the Walcott exit off of I-80, head south to the T-interesection.  Turn left (east) and go approx. 3 miles to our plow site on the south side of the road.  There is a large white grain bin on the property and I\'m sure Blane will have something sitting out to identify this as an Oliver plow site.\r\nIf you need more directions or have questions please call Blane at 563-381-3693.\r\n \r\n[b:yhzh3t6m]Meal:[/b:yhzh3t6m] \r\n\r\nPotluck, if your last name begins with [b:yhzh3t6m]A - L[/b:yhzh3t6m] please bring a main dish to share, if your last name begins with [b:yhzh3t6m]M - Z[/b:yhzh3t6m] please bring a salad and/or dessert to share as well as a drink.  Everyone will need to bring their own table service, and portable seating (folding chair, lawn chair etc.) is a good idea too.  There will be electicity available if you want to plug in a crock pot or warming device of some kind.\r\n \r\nBlane does not have a loading dock, but is planning to have a lift tractor on hand to help with unloading plows.  The weather report for this weekend in Blane\'s area is [b:yhzh3t6m]GREAT!, [/b:yhzh3t6m]however if by some chance it will not work Blane has picked the following Saturday, [b:yhzh3t6m]April 9, 2005 [/b:yhzh3t6m]as his rain date.\r\n \r\nPLEASE pass this message along to everyone you can think of who might possibly be interested in coming!\r\n\r\nMarc Sletten\r\nPresident\r\nIowa Cornbelt Oliver Collectors Chapter','',0,'QA==','yhzh3t6m',1,0,'',459,0,0),(4806,1161,1,597,0,'161.184.202.6',1112248106,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Tractor Show-Westlock,AB.CA','The weekend of June 4&amp;5 is the tractor show for us. Everyone is welcome and the organizers like to draw the crowd from the far reaches of the world. So come out and visit us and bring your tractor,stationary engine or other antique equipment with you to display. I would personally like to see more Oliver/Hart Parr units attend. We have one regular guy with a Hart-Parr, but just isn\'t enough.','',0,'QA==','1dpvj10p',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4807,1162,1,829,0,'204.74.20.14',1112282637,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 60 Battery Tray &amp; Generator','I\'m searching for a Battery Tray (and hold down) plus a Generator and Bracket for an Oliver 60 Row Crop.  You can email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:snapbean2001@hotmail.com\">snapbean2001@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nWayne Hall','',0,'QA==','1c25l7pk',1,0,'',829,0,0),(4808,1155,3,65,0,'209.240.113.135',1112313587,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Ontario  chapter','We took membership list for ontario put a dot on a map for each current and past member and picked the most central place and went with it!!! Now from one end of ontario [Windsor ] to  the other [Ottawa] is probably 9 to  10 hour drive  and one poor guy lives at the top  end near Manitoba which is a two day drive. We had 35 show up for our orginational meeting and went for it!  So anything is possible !!!','',0,'','fis4ndxx',1,0,'',65,0,0),(4810,1164,1,597,0,'24.64.177.95',1112403153,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver 80 rad assembly','looking for rad for oliver 80, with or without core','',0,'','3kzdqtlt',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4812,1151,1,297,0,'68.79.96.138',1112494206,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Unless it\'s been changed over by a previous owner, a 1650 should have an externally regulated alternator. Yours is probably bad.','',0,'','3qgyhs7q',1,0,'',297,0,0),(4813,1151,1,627,0,'205.188.116.196',1112495283,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1650 Gas alternator not charging','I had a bad aternator and regulator to start with and I got the wroung regulator twice but now all is GOOD  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','1y9kcm2c',1,0,'',627,0,0),(4814,1155,3,47,0,'12.64.60.46',1112562191,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Super 55,','I will try to explain this situation, as I understand it. \r\nI am a member of 4 different chapters, one of these happens to be the California Oliver Cletrac Club. Over numerous years the members of California, Oregon, and Washington state, possibly even Western Canada, who wish to join a chapter have become members of COCC. \r\nIn my discussions with some of the long term members of COCC, there is a concept to built the number of members, and at some point split into more than one chapter. Unfortunately, this being a relative small, spread out, chapter, covering the entire west coast, the number of members it would require is still being worked on. COCC though small, is an enormously active chapter. If you have been to either of the California Winter Get Togethers, you will know what I am talking about, those folk don\'t hardly give you a chance to breathe before they have something else that you will want to do planned!\r\n I would encourage you to call Bill Bechtold, 209-333-1970, or COCC President Doug Bakker 530-273-7526 and talk a while, as you seem to have mutual goals, perhaps you can work together to achieve these goals.\r\n Another thing I would recommend is to build a chapter in the Great Northwest, and encourage members to join COCC, with each chapter supporting the others functions.\r\n\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','3ueys0yl',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4815,1166,3,614,0,'205.188.116.196',1112927529,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','whats happening?','You know this is the quietest this board has been since I have joined.  \r\n\r\nIs that good?\r\n\r\nI know a lot of you like me have been working ground and been really busy.     We have  all the  anhydros ammonia we are going to put on in the ground and  have been sitting  waiting on the  new planter to be put back in shape so it will be able to plant... (my uncles been planting for almost 2wks now)','',0,'','2eo1b9eh',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4816,1167,6,833,0,'12.33.218.254',1112975433,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1949 Waukesha Motor, Oil Filter Needed','I\'m trying to locate an oil filter for a Waukesha Motor, 6-SRKR.  It\'s in a 49 Ward LaFrance Fire Engine.  I have a filter there now labelled as an \"AC C-408\"  it\'s a throw away type and not the insert/cartridge type of filter.  Can anyone provide information on where to get one?  I\'ve tried several local parts houses and web sites but come up dry.  I have a schematic drawing to help.  If you want to see it, contact me directly for quicker response.\r\n\r\nThanks for your time.\r\n\r\nJim\r\nWiscosnin\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:jcpaulson@ecol.net\">jcpaulson@ecol.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','3767dj4u',1,0,'',833,0,0),(4817,1166,3,465,0,'4.225.5.93',1113025696,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Your right Eddie, Guest our former Pres got his wish. this board is finally officially stagnate. \r\n Just got the transmission problems I had with my 55 fixed this evening.  Heading up to my dealer in the morning to get filters plugs and wires. \r\n They are calling for sunny and 70 tomorrow. going to pull her out and we\'ll both get some  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->.','',0,'','xbpatq8p',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4818,1168,1,124,0,'209.215.39.23',1113048601,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','2255 Hydraulics','Just finished doing some work on the 2255. Had steering box off and most lines loose. Any ideas on how to bleed (prime) the hydraulic system? I\'ve bled the valve just above the filter and the resovoir is full. Again the system was basically dry. It worked fine before working on it, but this has been an eight month process.  Also my light is staying on that shows no oil pressure in the rear end (90 weight oil). Any ideas on bleeding that system? Thanks in advance.\r\nGreg Davis','',0,'','21ve9czw',1,0,'',124,0,0),(4819,1166,3,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1113064366,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Ed,\r\nIt may be stagnant, but it sure beats the heartaches, arguments and bitterness that seemed to be promoted before.\r\n\r\nThanks to John Hume for His brand of \"open government\" and Ask The President forum, there isn\'t a trace of suspicion anymore.  Just the way it should be! \r\n\r\nI\'ve been busy retireing. Sold my business 3/1/05, lost all my political pull and rental ground so I\'m trying to sell some of my farm equip. Got a nice White 6100 8 rn no-til for sale if anyone is interested......etc. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> \r\n                                                                         Larry Coltrin','',0,'','2yj29bc8',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4821,1170,1,834,0,'206.9.216.37',1113149226,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Obtained a Model 82 mower yesterday','I just purchased a Model 82 sickle mower at aution yesterday. It\'s in real good shape. What kind of lube goes in the gearbox amidships? Are there any opinoins (good-bad?) about this mower? This is my first piece of Oliver equipment. Thanks alot fellas...Randy','',0,'','3w51zhde',1,0,'',834,0,0),(4822,1166,3,614,0,'205.188.116.136',1113167867,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I  am thankful someone is   willing to be open about a  why somethings were done.   The old statement  told   children  is  \"JUST BECAUSE\"... well I may act like a child sometimes but  last time I had a birthday cake of any kind it  sent up so much smoke in the tractor cab I couldn\'t see for an hour... \r\n\r\n<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','3iewyrws',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4823,1166,3,614,0,'205.188.116.136',1113168323,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','and  Larry---  on Thursday this week  I would have said   GETTER OVER HERE!   as   the rats had  attacked ( literally  worked it over in 1wks time)\r\n\r\nthen  the mechanic wandered how  our planter had got out of the shop still in not assembled ( THANK GOD for sending the rats to get our attention)  we would have never been able to plant.. it was missing  everything  internally    AND  THEY  WERE SO UPSET  that they had to keep it  on their lot  an extra week before they got it to us...    \r\n\r\nSometimes dealing with friends is tough!','',0,'','29ghgb5e',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4824,1168,1,96,0,'209.143.23.73',1113181036,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','2255 Hydraulics','The hydraulic pump will bleed itself. The bleeder you are talking about is to bleed the air out of the system before it gets to the pump. What do you call your steering box? I would tighten all the lines. If you are talking the lines out of the steering unit itself, remember it is a closed center system and you will need to have the pump pumping and then turn the steering wheel to shift the control valve. Do I make sense to you?','',0,'','z89gw82s',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4825,1171,2,717,0,'204.60.207.56',1113182534,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','HART-PARR OLIVER 70','I RECENTLY PURCHASED A  1937 HART-PARR OLIVER 70 IN GOOD SHAPE, BUT IT NEEDS THE LARGE SIDE PANEL FOR THE RIGHT SIDE. THIS 70 HAS THE LOUVERS (VENTS) RUNNING VERTICAL ON THE PANEL. DOES ANYONE HAVE SUCH A THING THEY WOULD SELL OR IS THERE ANY REPRODUCTION PANELS AVAILABLE ANYWHERE??\r\n                         THANKS,\r\n                              CAL INNES','',0,'','2oae2gvk',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4826,1172,6,374,0,'205.188.116.196',1113184597,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','contact rickb','need to contact rickb in pine plains ,ny area...call me at 518-755-1486...ed brandt','',0,'','3pig2vv8',1,0,'',374,0,0),(4827,1166,3,238,0,'205.188.116.196',1113188803,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Ed,\r\nI\'m glad they got the situation under control and You can get some seed in the ground.\r\nIf I don\'t sell this planter soon, I just might back it in the front yard and plant flowers in the seed and insectiside boxes. It\'s really pretty red with white wheels and hoppers. I\'m thinking red and white pansys...wonder what momlady will be thinking?','',0,'','3iucmepx',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4828,1166,3,47,0,'12.64.109.188',1113223753,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Larry,','You should have told me about that planter a while back. I bought a 5400 6 rn, at Moline, and am in the process of changing it to 4 rw. Maybe Eddie should buy your planter and use his for backup. White planters are the most accurate to date, none are built to beat them. Maybe some day someone will come up with something better. Mine is especially well suited for our area, as it is setup for granular fertilizer, which is easy to obtain here. The liquid which I would rather use require travel outside our area to obtain. Due to our working environment, the 4 rw is better here, our land is not flat enough for really big planters, and we have long enough growing season that there is not much benefit for the narrow rows, at least not enough to change all the equipment. We can get the same population from 36\" rows, without the problems seen up north. The great thing here about 36\" rows is when planting soybeans, all we need do is move over half a space and we get 18\" rows for our beans.\r\nI don\'t know what momlady would think, but you should be careful, she might think diesel fuel in your gasoline engine, or worse, gasoline in your diesel engine, or worse yet, JP4 in your avgas tank!!!\r\n I agree the website is better the way it is now. It was never intended to be a platform for desention. It is a help site, it is supposed to be used to provide help and information to those who wish to preserve our hobby. The only beneficial purpose politically, would be during elections, to get the candidates views to the members, and possibly for use by the nominating committee when seeking candidates.\r\n\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','aw1p7kzj',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4829,1173,1,774,0,'24.247.102.57',1113250979,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Proper paint for Oliver Plowmaster 100','I have a 14inch 2 bottom trip plow that has spoke wheels with rubber tires and a solid steel trail wheel.  Wondering what the proper color should be.  Presently, the predominent color is dark green, but some of the pieces seem to have been a red color at one time.  I\'m in the process of cleaning it up and would like to paint it with the correct colors.  Thanks for any help you can give\r\n\r\nSteve','',0,'','1h1yegag',1,0,'',774,0,0),(4831,1173,1,62,0,'160.36.203.136',1113365382,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Plowmaster 100','My Plowmaster 100, which is just like yours except that it has steel wheels, is Oliver red with yellow wheels.  I am told that green wheels were also common.\r\n\r\nThe red paint is Martin-Senour (Napa) no. 99L-3752\r\nThe yellow paint is MS (Napa) no. 99L-11611\r\n\r\nYou can get decals from Dumont.   Ph:  (641)622-2592\r\n\r\nAnd it will plow good, too!','',0,'','3l0qxheh',1,0,'',62,0,0),(4832,1166,3,614,0,'64.12.116.136',1113368324,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','we  priced a white planter..    and got  3  university studies on planters\r\n\r\nMinnisota, Illionios, and Iowa state...\r\n\r\n3 differnt  planters had the \"BEST\"  accruacy..  from running this planter 2 days now I can tell you for sure  100%  that  on any  \"air-vaccum\" system its  all in what seed size you chose and  the settings you set it on..\r\n\r\nthe old finger system  ( WE USE TO HAVE)  just needed to be tooned up once in a while is all..  so I cast my vote to the fingers \r\n\r\nLOL\r\n\r\nback here in IN  4row planters are selling for  (SORRY)   $500 or less... \r\nneighbor ( former farm progress show host)  sold an old 8rw  for $1000','',0,'','3h6n6gb6',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4833,1166,3,47,0,'12.64.115.188',1113409607,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','I paid the \'or less\' for my 5400 6 rn, a whole lot \'or less\'!! It doesn\'t seem to particular over graded seed.','',0,'','19k47nq2',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4834,1175,1,743,0,'4.252.130.115',1113421824,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 75 Manure Spreader','I have ( I think) an Oliver 75 Spreader and need the springs and pins that hold the ratchet pawls.  I could also use a set of rear wheels with good hubs.  Any info would be appreciated.  If I can\'t find these parts does any one need parts off this spreader?\r\nCheers,\r\nBrad','',0,'','2ys2lv91',1,0,'',743,0,0),(4835,1175,1,717,0,'204.60.213.87',1113439297,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','','if I remember correctly, the springs you ask about are coil-type springs about an inch or inch and a half in diameter and perhaps 15 inches long???.Check out TSC (  Tractor Supply Co.) if they are in your area.....they have a good selection of springs. I found similar springs for an old one row potato digger that fit the bill quite well. They may have pins as well.\r\n                       Cal','',0,'','2qhfhttw',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4836,1176,1,717,0,'204.60.213.87',1113439826,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','sandblasted plow','I just had an Oliver 4240  3 bottom plow sandblasted so I could repaint it. A young fellow just opened a new sandblasting business about a mile from me and does a great job at a reasonable price...only problem is, he sandblasted the Oliver nameplate off too. I never wrote down the serial#, so that is gone forever. Is there anyone out there who can make up a duplicate nameplate (minus the ser.#) Thanks for any info you can provide.\r\n                Cal','',0,'','3vi88vsc',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4837,1173,1,51,0,'64.12.116.136',1113442364,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','plownaster paint','My plow is red with green wheels. True Value Tractor Red or the paint that replaces that color is a perfect match for Oliver red. It is good paint and not so expensive. Put some hardner in it so it does not fade. Delbert','',0,'','29opbo96',1,0,'',51,0,0),(4838,1176,1,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1113600262,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Thats too bad Cal...thats one of the things you have to be careful with when sandblasting.  A lot of people use other media now that is a little more forgiving...plastics for example.  But even those can erase a serial number that is already light from years of abuse.  Just remember to remove the tags next time, and hey dont beat yourself up over it (if you were) IT HAPPENS!!! <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'','20ou1m15',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4841,1176,1,717,0,'204.60.44.200',1113698146,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','sandblasted plow','well, this old plow was one that I probably will never use much except for \"fun\". I have a 4 bottom on a massey super 90 for what plowing I do so this 4240 was just to restore and show off with one of the Olivers. It is in good shape generally except that a lot of bolts were replaced over the years with whatever was \"close enough\" in size. Other than that and now the nameplate being obscured, I really don\'t have much to do on it. I am itching to give it a go, but the soils here are heavy clayish soils so are slow to dry out. If I put the plows on the 4WD,  I could plow now, but still can\'t plant....besides, the soil is still cold here. ( not too cold to go fishing tho\')\r\n            Cal','',0,'','1y52hqx6',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4842,226,1,597,0,'24.64.177.95',1113702082,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','It\'s kind of like the song on the radio.\r\n My wife said that if I bought another tractor, she was leaving. I\'m sure going to miss her.','',0,'','dv5dly7j',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4843,1178,1,18,0,'70.69.82.62',1113764559,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 2-26 potato digger?','I have been running this post around all the Oliver pages. If anyone supply additional info, please let me know:\r\n\r\nI was at one of the local produce markets in the Fraser Valley of BC\r\ntoday and when I parked the truck, I noticed some old \r\nequipment in the field next to the parking lot. Low and behold \r\nthere was what appeared to be an Oliver potato digger. It has a \r\nserial number plate:\r\n\r\nserial # 1163\r\nmodel: 2-26\" Digger\r\n\r\nI don\'t know anything about these implements, but wouldn\'t \r\nmind saving it from a slow rusty death. It seems to be all there, \r\njust a bit of the Oliver green paint on it, but has car tires on it. I \r\ntalked to the wife of the owner, and she said to call her son \r\nwhen he comes back in a couple of weeks. I would only want it \r\nfor display. What size Oliver would this match up to. I have a \r\nSuper 55. What era is the digger, and how much should I offer the fellow \r\nand be fair to him. It doesn\'t look like it has worked for decades.\r\nThanks for any help or advice. By the way, this is the first Oliver \r\nimplement I have ever seen around here, so they aren\'t that \r\ncommon. I had to drive all the way to Edmonton for my 3240 2 bottom \r\nplow.','',0,'','2wd4t2je',1,0,'',18,0,0),(4844,226,1,717,0,'204.60.213.182',1113778002,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','understanding','.......I have a far greater problem than a wife who frowns on tractor purchases.....my wife actually encourages me to buy \"that neat old tractor\" or \"you really should have that one!\" .... or \"what you need now is a tractor from the 40\'s  so that each decade is represented!\" \r\n   I was thinking this is great, a wife that understands!!, but what I only now have come to realize is that her only stipulation is that she gets to spend an equal amount of money....oh, woe is me !!!Please guys, delete this message as soon as you have read it so that your wife doesn\'t get the same idea too. It could be the death Knell for us all financially!!\r\n                                                 Cal','',0,'','2kxhbdmp',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4845,226,1,597,0,'24.64.177.95',1113779997,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well Calvin,you have a serious problem on your hands. I guess you are just going to have to find tractors that people will pay you to take.','',0,'','qid2n1m8',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4846,1179,6,12,0,'69.128.204.181',1113794347,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver pedal tractors','I just bought a pedal tractor at an auction. It is an Ertl model O63. From what I have read on some websites it could be an 1800B, 1850, or an 1855. \r\n\r\nUnfortunately someone painted it the other shade of green with a yellow stripe, so I have no idea what it was to begin with. Any clues on telling what it was or can I just make it what I want? \r\n\r\nThe casting is in good shape but it needs alot of the other parts that are available to restore it. Thanks for any help, John.','',0,'','f8602feg',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4847,1179,6,144,0,'169.207.92.199',1113860413,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver pedal tractors','John,  That is correct they used the same castings for all 3 models. so I guess you could make it what you want. I couldn\'t tell what mine was  either so I made a 1850 because we have a real one like it. \r\n\r\nRandy Esch','',0,'','ywlrpri2',1,0,'',144,0,0),(4849,1027,5,40,0,'205.188.116.201',1113872527,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nWhat in the name of heaven do we need to do to get registered for the photobarn?\r\n\r\nI have a few pictures I\'d like to post, but I need some help.\r\n\r\nBill \r\nBrandt\r\n\r\nP.S.  It sure would be nice if it was as simple as YT photos.','',0,'','2rq9jxha',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4850,226,1,18,0,'70.69.82.62',1113875485,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','I know what  you are talking about','The post below about the digger I saw,  well my wife was wife me, and while I was talking to the mother of the fellow that owns it she kept repeating.... He doesn\'t need it, He won\'t be buying it, He has enough stuff he needs to work on.... All I heard was need it... buying it,.. needs to work on...\r\n\r\nYep.. I think she agrees with me. Can\'t wait till the owner comes home.','',0,'','2kxh7kio',1,0,'',18,0,0),(4851,1027,5,10611,0,'209.124.32.144',1113912128,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Right now I have it set up where I have to create your user account for the photo barn. The big problem is if I make it too easy, next thing you know, there is all sorts of junk on there that we don\'t want associated with our club or hobby.\r\nDrop me an email with what you want for a username and password, and I\'ll get you an album all set up. Once that is done, you can add photos and even create sub-albums to organize them.\r\n\r\nI\'ll see what I can do about making the photo barn a little more user friendly.','',0,'','2c44xqav',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4852,1175,1,743,0,'4.159.62.115',1113931997,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The springs that push the rachet dogs out are not compression springs.  They are more like the springs on a mouse trap and there are left and right ones.  I only have one left side spring and it is damaged.','',0,'','1001efvo',1,0,'',743,0,0),(4854,226,1,779,0,'205.188.116.201',1113965771,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','My wife thought that when I got our 1655 for restoration, that was it, end of long trips to auctions and weekend trips to the dealerships and salvage yards.  I guess they just don\'t understand the fun is in the hunt, not necessarily the catch.   <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->  \r\nGod Bless. \r\nChad','',0,'','19wrp5i1',1,0,'',779,0,0),(4856,1182,1,839,0,'209.250.50.234',1114010570,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','super 55 oliver','I need a super 55 Diesel for parts.Does not have to be running.The motor is about the only thing that works on the 55 I have.Can anyone help? Thanks Dan B.','',0,'','wtnkm3mz',1,0,'',839,0,0),(4857,1027,5,40,0,'152.163.100.136',1114034104,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nThanks for the help in getting set up on the photobarn.  It\'s not that bad and it is nice to have place to show off our photos.  Just for the heck of it I might stick in a picture of my 4020 one of these days!\r\n\r\nThe rest of the members should send you that e-mail and share their pictures.\r\n\r\nThanks again. \r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'','m3w79669',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4858,1182,1,674,0,'24.155.175.146',1114043578,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','SUPER 55 PARTS','I HAVE SEVERAL SUPER 55\'S THAT I AM PARTING OUT---I CAN HELP YOU WITH YOUR NEEDS--GIVE ME A CALL AT 903-729-8349  OR  EMAIL AT  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:KGTEINC@GOQUEST.COM\">KGTEINC@GOQUEST.COM</a><!-- e -->---THANKS\r\nKENT','',0,'','3oi2rd3s',1,0,'',674,0,0),(4859,1182,1,116,0,'66.71.199.135',1114048230,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','S55 parts','i have a set of fenders i would like to sell.','',0,'','3ve4jut7',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4860,1183,1,780,0,'12.106.228.156',1114099835,1,0,0,1,1,1,'','1755 carburator','I have 1972 Oliver 1755 gasser. I think I need to rebuild the carburetor, it runs ruff and has black smoke sometimes so I play around with the choke until it clears up. Is that a very hard thing to do? How can I tell what type of carburetor it is? And lastly where is a good place or places to get a rebuild kit?\r\n\r\nThanks\r\nMatt','',0,'','2gldozz0',1,0,'',780,0,0),(4861,1183,1,96,0,'209.143.23.41',1114132344,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1755 Carburetor.','First of all we need to determine if you have the M-S carburetor or if you have a replacement Zenith. Define kit, tractor carburetors are not like car carburetors. Also if you hava M-S  I can photo copy you a service manual, The last time I needed a power jet for one I went to John Deere. Questions?','',0,'','1n7bqkin',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4863,1183,1,780,0,'12.106.228.156',1114174108,1,0,0,1,1,1,'','1755 Carburetor','How do I find out what type of carburetor I have, M-S or Zenith?\r\nAs far as the kit , I can\'t just purchase some type of rebuild kit for the carburetor?\r\nThanks','',0,'','l0ufy916',1,0,'',780,0,0),(4864,1183,1,96,0,'209.143.23.148',1114216348,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1755 Carburetor.','The Zenith is made from cast iron. The M-S is an aluminum carburetor, so a magnetic should help. The load screw on the M-S is on the side and the back of the M-S is flat and held on with machines crews. Hope this helps.','',0,'','17ktxgob',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4865,226,1,614,0,'205.188.116.201',1114217965,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I too have not  got  someone that tells me  she thinks  I dont need  one..I need one to back me up\r\n\r\nI have a DAD  that keeps asking  WHY DIDN\'t  you buy it.. or  he brings  home silly  stuff  like   those  orange and yellow things--- and I keeps saying he will get around to working on   those  ones in the back of the shed broke down... like  our super 77 <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','3gjiz76f',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4866,1184,6,116,0,'66.71.220.130',1114383833,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','how\'s your weather?','cold &amp; snowing in W. Penn. was in upper 70\'s couple of days ago.','',0,'','3i0g60dp',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4867,1184,6,76,0,'67.50.252.160',1114384451,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: how\'s your weather?','[quote=&quot;kline&quot;]cold &amp; snowing in W. Penn. was in upper 70\'s couple of days ago.[/quote\r\n\r\n in central IL  rain friday night , cooled down to the 50\'s this weekend, really windy  last week was in the 70\'s','',0,'','3jboxwfb',1,0,'',76,0,0),(4868,1184,6,238,0,'205.188.116.201',1114398371,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Here in NE IL We missed the snow that got Mich and Ohio, but the high saturday was 38 with the wind at 35 mph out of the north. Without a doubt, a day to keep the barn doors shut!\r\n                                                           Larry Coltrin','',0,'','265x65dk',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4869,1185,3,163,0,'216.51.171.138',1114476260,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HAVING FUN W/ THE OLLIE\'S THIS SPRING','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> My brothers and I have done some plowing, shaping water ways and just driving the tractors around.  Hope you guys are having as much fun as we have had.\r\nUncle Du','',0,'','g16tciwn',1,0,'',163,0,0),(4870,1185,3,12,0,'69.128.206.104',1114482105,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I saw those pictures Bill put in the photo barn. Looked like you had them out in force! WB.','',0,'','fldjnvqn',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4871,1185,3,163,0,'216.51.171.157',1114564402,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John, \r\nI just want everyone to say what they are doing with their tractors this spring.  We need some action on this site. No complaining, just bragging!\r\nWe need this to let everyone know that we\'re proud of our Olivers.\r\nUncle Du <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','342qnjh8',1,0,'',163,0,0),(4872,1186,3,238,0,'205.188.116.201',1114745483,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','GEESE...EVERYWHERE','I don\'t know how the goose problem is by you, but it\'s way out of hand here in NE IL. \r\nI find it hard to believe that about 20 short years ago I used to drive half the night to southern IL to hunt them. Now, they are all over the place! \r\nI\'ve got about 22 acres of alfalfa and 4 or 5 acres nearest the swamp never gets over 6\" high. What they don\'t eat they stomp down or poop all over. And they poop like dogs too. Got a couple of ponds that have to be treated for algea because of the goose poop. The guy that treats them said that 18 geese equals one cow pooping in the ponds!\r\nSince I\'m less than a mile from 3 towns, I can\'t fire a firearm. (I\'ve asked)\r\nJust wondering if Oliver ever made a \"Goose Harvesting\" machine <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? --> I know I\'d get a bumper crop!!\r\n                                                                Larry Coltrin','',0,'','190xz50n',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4873,1185,3,116,0,'66.71.221.121',1114820594,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','playing with the toys','I had my Co-op E3 out plowing with my Oliver 100 plow. It sure was fun, but I don\'t want to do all my farming with it.\r\n                                                   Later,\r\n                                                         Todd','',0,'','2nbnuxpz',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4874,1185,3,12,0,'69.128.206.104',1114821721,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Duane,\r\n\r\nI worked 31 acres of new hay ground with the 1750 and 252 disk. Used that outfit to work my corn ground also and planted it with my 1955 and 6100 planter. I put the corn in just before this wet and cooler weather started. I haven\'t been to check it yet, I hope it\'ll be OK. \r\n\r\nI\'ve also been doing some repair work on the wife\'s 77. Getting it ready for hay tedding! WB.','',0,'','3dyvdoa7',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4875,1187,1,255,0,'65.142.18.89',1114822674,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','1855 Gas or diesel','Hello,\r\n\r\nMy family is thinking of adding a 1855 to our Oliver collection.  The man  with the checkbook (my dad) wants to get a gas powered one.  I am suggesting to get a diesel.  I know there are some concerns that 1855 diesels are not too good since, among other issues, many do not have the oil cooler like the 1955s. The Hart Parr Oliver Collector magazine has an article from a couple of years ago that has good things to say about the 1855 diesels.  Long story short my question is \"what experiences has anyone had with gas or Diesel 1855s?\"  This tractors use would be to move hay bales in winter.  Pulling a six row planter and some light tillage.  No more than a couple of 100 hours a year.\r\n\r\nThanks in advance for your input.\r\n\r\nBuckeye Joe G','',0,'','27q2h56x',1,0,'',255,0,0),(4877,1185,3,238,0,'64.12.116.136',1114831826,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Duane,\r\nNo field work for me. I just pulled my 6100 8 rn planter out with a 770 to pressure wash and take pictures for selling purposes. Fired up the 4-180 and wanted to do SOMETHING, so I grabbed the glencoe 8rn cultivator off the fencerow(more pics). Then spent 4 hours trying to get that cultivator off the back of the 4-180. Man they were stuck together like dogs in august! \r\nOther than that, I just take rides around my hayfield scaring the geese out with either my HP 70, 770 or 18-27, and checking out the 620 baler. Should be cutting alfalfa in about 3 weeks.                              \r\n\r\nhave fun, Larry Coltrin','',0,'','2lq6thad',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4878,1187,1,96,0,'209.143.23.215',1114859147,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Gas  compared to diesel','How many acres of this light tillage work and how many hours moving hay/ We use a 4020 for light tillage and pull wagons (no hay) for almost a 1000 acres and do not get 100 hours a year on it and it gets used the most. It will take fuel if you use all 90 horsepower on tillage.','',0,'','1nwd9aqn',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4879,1185,3,65,0,'209.240.113.79',1114867043,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Field work','I was using 880 wheatland on field cultivator untill last weekend then 6 inchs wet snow stopped everything! I am sneeking out some manure with the 88 standard again but have to be very carefull where I go!  Calling for more wet snow later today so grain is  better in the bag for now! No  haying here for 6 weeks ! <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->','',0,'','1dlr0d3h',1,0,'',65,0,0),(4881,1189,1,674,0,'24.155.168.100',1114957902,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','QUESTION FOR OLIVER TOY COLLECTORS','RAN ACROSS AN OLIVER 440 WITH A SPEC CAST PLACK ON WITH \"SPEC CAST 20TH ANNIVERSARY 1974 1994\"--ANY TOY COLLECTORS OUT THERE WITH AN IDEA AS TO IT\'S VALUE?---I HAVE NEVER SEEN ONE BEFORE---THANKS FOR YOUR HELP','',0,'','3smk9qpp',1,0,'',674,0,0),(4882,1190,18,10611,0,'209.124.32.229',1114960338,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','HPOCA Board and general membership meeting minutes','The following are minutes from the HPOCA Board and General Membership meetings at the 2005 Winter Get-Together in Moline, Il.\r\n\r\nThe file requires Adobe Acrobat to view.','',1,'','18d5pu5c',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4883,1191,3,10611,0,'209.124.32.229',1114960697,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Sneak preview','Here\'s the latest cover!\r\n\r\n[img:3nvp07cn]http&#58;//www&#46;hartparroliver&#46;org/Cover16-3&#46;jpg[/img:3nvp07cn]\r\n\r\nI\'t should be going in the mail tomorrow, the 2nd.\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd I usually try to refrain from bragging, but I\'m going to this time, as we got a sneak preview of our own a couple of days ago. We are having a GIRL!!!!','',0,'CA==','3nvp07cn',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4884,1191,3,116,0,'66.71.220.156',1114963822,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','congratulations','',0,'CA==','20csncpl',1,0,'',116,0,0),(4886,1191,3,12,0,'69.128.206.104',1114984696,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','There goes your name options!','Congrats Chris and Becky!\r\n\r\nGlad to hear it, hope everything is going OK for the expectant Mother.\r\n\r\nGreat job on the cover also, looks good to see some action! \r\n\r\nJohn','',0,'CA==','ixszggbq',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4887,1185,3,47,0,'12.64.114.77',1114997318,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I was riding around the farm on my HG today. Too wet to do much else. I did get my plowing done about 3 weeks ago using the 4340 16\" 3 bottom plow that I bought at the Plain City auction, it had to have all new moldboards, shins, points, and landslides. A little costly, but what the heck, I might as well figure I got a new plow now, so, I bought a set of decals, might as well make it look new too. The plow worked exceptionally well considering it was going thru 4 hardpans, the top one being between 2 and 3 inches thick, plowing 12\" deep. That will let you know there is something back there!!!!','',0,'CA==','pceyooum',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4888,1185,3,614,0,'64.12.116.136',1115007936,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','we have  corn   4in high  and  cuz\'s  is 6in...    its suppose to get to  32 tommarrow....  you think  we\'ve  lost  our seed  money  --- no replants for frost damange... \r\n\r\n\r\noh  and  guy told me today he  mowed hay today---   mighty early for Indiana','',0,'CA==','37hbfu3a',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4889,1186,3,614,0,'64.12.116.136',1115008299,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','we have  a  geese problem  too...    the  \"big\" local bank (traded on the NYS)  has  a bunch of stip pit lakes that they feed them on.. ( and the USDA pays him for the damange to his crops  they destroy)   only he gets them. none of the other farms around him do..  THEY DO not know what a property line looks like..\r\n\r\nwe also have  turkeys...   fellow counted 100 in one field last week.  Turkeys are worse.. they walk in a new planted corn field and  can find  seed corn thats just planted  and peck out the seed...  the geese  are only getting to  the  soybeans round here...','',0,'CA==','2poa1nr7',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4890,1186,3,106,0,'209.213.153.111',1115061768,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Geese','Guess I had just assumed this was a local problem here in western Washington and Oregon- same situation- 20 years ago you could barely make out the geese flying over, then they decided to move in year around.  When you think about it, it\'s a pretty big deal, biologically speaking- an entire species drastically changes the migration patterns it has followed since the beginning of time, and they all seemed to decide on it simultaneously- did they have a little convention somewhere?','',0,'CA==','3062y5bn',1,0,'',106,0,0),(4891,1193,1,845,0,'65.248.192.209',1115077147,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1755 diesel','Are there any known chronic problems with the 1755 diesel?','',0,'CA==','3je14hyz',1,0,'',845,0,0),(4893,1186,3,614,0,'205.188.116.201',1115177688,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','yes as a kid  the only way I knew what a   canadian goose looked like was from   the Movie  TOKLAT    they were always so high up when they flew over..\r\n\r\nnow they winter here..   ( and some die because they get frozen in the lakes)','',0,'CA==','321da06o',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4894,1191,3,40,0,'152.163.100.136',1115292705,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Got my copy yesterday.  Not a bad job by the USPS on delivering it this month.\r\n\r\nI did not have time to read in detail but I did notice a great panoramic picture  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: --> in the letters section and the articles look really interesting.\r\n\r\nThe pulling pictures are also very interesting.\r\n\r\nGood job Chris and Becky.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'CA==','wrih3j6r',1,0,'',40,0,0),(4895,1191,3,12,0,'69.128.206.104',1115294570,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I got mine yesterday also! Record time I\'d say!\r\n\r\nLooked through it, lots of great pulling pics and I\'m looking forward to reading part three of Elmer\'s Tune.\r\n\r\nGreat job Chris and Becky!!!','',0,'CA==','x9cmxfqi',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4897,1191,3,47,0,'12.65.168.14',1115634464,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','I found mine in the mailbox Saturday, after the show at Heritage Farm Museum. Now, two days later I am still sore and tired from the threshing, that is not supposed to happen that way. But, it was a good show. My Oliver Hart-Parr 2-3 Plow Tractor did a fine job of powering an old wooden \'New Peerless\' thresher. I guess we will retire that thresher to one of the exhibit halls, the wood has become brittle, there is no need to destroy a fine old machine like that. We have a steel \'Belle City\' machine in the storage building, it is in good shape and similar to my \'Red River Special\', I\'ll get it out and give it a spin for next years show! We are losing our Peerless engine, next year it will be condemned for a worn out boiler, metal is too thin, it was OK this year for 110 PSI, next year we add it to the \'wallhanger\' collection. We are better off than the state farm museum, they lost all of their engines, every one was condemned. That just goes to show what operator error on the part of one individual will get us. All these engines are safe to operate at a reduced pressure, but, the inspectors here are on a witch hunt!!!\r\nI like the magazine with the exception of the pulling tractors. It seems to me that destroying fine old Olivers and parts conflict with our mission statement, we should promote the care and preservation of this fine old equipment, not encourage the destruction of it! \r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'CA==','a05ax8ux',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4899,1191,3,105,0,'205.204.242.22',1115658169,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Oh come on Andy!  Destroying?  Hardly.  As a matter of fact, most pulling tractors are kept in MUCH better mechanical shape than a trailer queen show tractor that just sits in the barn until it rolls into its slot in the show line.  Besides, it is entirely the owners perogative of what to do with his/her tractor.  And another great thing is that it reminds every one else just how great our ollies were (and still are) when we are beating up on the M\'s, A\'s, and WD\'s of this world! <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'CA==','2sknarij',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4900,1197,1,789,0,'65.40.208.201',1115667038,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 77/88 carburetor','After ordering manifolds and a Zenith replacement for a MS TSX 363 carb for my 1950 77 Row Crop, I find that my old manifolds are off an 88. Guess someone put either an 88 head, or whole engine, into the 77 (I know, should have pulled the old ones and checked the #s first). My questions include whether the TSX 363 carb replacement will provide enough fuel for an 88 engine. The studs on the Zenith are smaller than the MS studs (whatever TSX it was, when are the tags ever on the carbs?), but the spacing on the studs lets the Zenith fit to the old manifold. Do the Zenith replacements usually have smaller studs than the MS carbs? Will the Zenith work ok once tightened up with lock washers, or will it shift? Anyone know? I\'d rather not have to mount a $200 carb and then find out it doesn\'t work out (after it can\'t be returned). Thanks for any help.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'CA==','2jh7w2j8',1,0,'',789,0,0),(4901,1197,1,597,0,'24.64.177.95',1115678177,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver 77/88 carb','It has been my experience that any time you put a smaller carb on a bigger engine you run into an underfueling problem\r\nCheck the bore of the carb to see if it is the same diameter as the manifold.If they are the same,you shouldn\'t have much problem.It would likely be a matter of adjustment.\r\nAs to the stud size,I am not sure.What you could do is make some kind of sleeve to take up the extra space and prevent any movement,and help assure that the carb is properly set in place.It can be hard to get them properly centered with to much play on the studs.\r\nBest option is to get the proper carb.','',0,'CA==','3h2r6i7e',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4902,1197,1,789,0,'65.40.208.201',1115685080,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 77/88 Carbs','I checked the bore of both new and old carbs.  Used a tape measure as I didn\'t want to take the time to find the dial calipers.  IF the Zenith bore is smaller, it is only by 1/64th of an inch or less.  FWIW, the 88 intake has a sort of venturi taper in the mouth of the intake.  When mounted to the old 88 manifold, the Zenith studs snugged up very close to the inside edge of the carb mounting holes.  There was no fore and aft movement along the line of the holes, but a little side to side movement could be made to happen, but then on only one end at a time.  The only reason this carb will fit is the smaller diameter mounting studs on the Zenith.  I agree that the proper course is to get the right carb (whatever it really is that I have), was just hoping to save time, additional shipping (another carb and returning the Zenith) and the 20% restocking fee (OUCH!).\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'CA==','2e8v1hzf',1,0,'',789,0,0),(4903,226,1,789,0,'65.40.208.201',1115686081,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','re: Why Don\'t They Understand?','I know I\'m about to catch all sorts of grief, but I\'m working on picking up an 88 now.  After all, I just found out I have a 77/88 (well at least 88 head, manifolds and carb if not the whole engine).  The one I\'m after looks even worse than my 77 (which is a working tractor and sadly in need of new paint - but it still is green and not reddish brown).\r\n\r\nI just got the lecture about getting rid of the \"junk\" (1941 M and 195x MM ZB) because \"you know you\'ll never get around to fixing them\". \"She who must be obeyed\" is probably right (She says she\'s always right), I used to think retirement was when you had time to get to all the stuff you didn\'t have time to get to when you were working.  Now I know it is when you work harder than you did when you were working for wages.  The list of things I\'ve got to do gets stuff added lots quicker than I can work down to things I\'d like to do!\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'CA==','auamiyii',1,0,'',789,0,0),(4904,1197,1,105,0,'66.20.228.10',1115695407,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I think you will be fine Ed.','',0,'CA==','2xvgnck7',1,0,'',105,0,0),(4905,1197,1,597,0,'24.64.177.95',1115696267,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver77/88 carb','From what information you have given,it sounds like you will probably get away with it.\r\nI would still figure out a way to stop the movement on the studs.\r\nKeep me posted on your luck with this one','',0,'CA==','3w171n62',1,0,'',597,0,0),(4906,1197,1,789,0,'65.40.204.242',1115698403,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','77/88 carbs','Thanks.  The posting, and reading replies, gave me enough time to calm down and think rationally.  After spending some time putting on the second set of hydraulic lines and chasing the manifold mounting stud holes, it was a little irritating to find I had the \"wrong\" head on my engine.  I decided it probably would work, but it sure is nice to have someone else with lots more Oliver experience tell me that!\r\n\r\nI have to put in a plug for Jerry at Ag Parts First.  I called with the numbers off the old manifolds and he checked them to find they were 88/880 parts.  I told him we had a problem as I had already painted the new manifolds (I know, should have checked to see that they fit first, but my other old tractors were not as adaptable as the Oliver and a part for an M or ZB was never a problem like this).  Jerry said no problem, he\'d send out the proper manifolds today and I could send back the 77 set.  He said he\'d issue a credit when he got them as the 88 manifolds are less expensive.  Not used to that sort of service these days!  Jerry is related to the former owner of Rick\'s Ag parts and he absorbed that business into his.  Good outfit to do business with, IMHO.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'CA==','jdtdoawv',1,0,'',789,0,0),(4907,1197,1,789,0,'65.40.204.242',1115698709,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: oliver77/88 carb','[quote=&quot;carrothead&quot;:3o3ch2mf]From what information you have given,it sounds like you will probably get away with it.\nI would still figure out a way to stop the movement on the studs.\nKeep me posted on your luck with this one[/quote:3o3ch2mf]\r\n\r\nThanks, I\'ll do that.  I\'ll probably also order a rebuild kit for the MS core I have (when I figure out what it really is, probably a TSX 374 I think).  I think when the carb is actually bolted up there will be no movement.  I can move it the little bit when there are no nuts or lock washers on the studs.  I suspect that will be eliminated when properly installed.  We\'ll see.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'gA==','3o3ch2mf',1,0,'',789,0,0),(4908,1030,1,789,0,'65.40.204.242',1115699984,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: Question about M.S. Carburetos','[quote=&quot;Jason Epperson&quot;:me8do335]I was wondering if anybody could tell me what the differences are in a #181 and  #374 M. S. carburetor?  I have an old style 88 with 3 and 3/4 pistons in it and want to know which one will work the best.[/quote:me8do335]\r\n\r\nHaving suddenly developed a keen interest in 88 carbs (see 77/88 carbs post if that doesn\'t make sense), I can say that the TSX 374 is listed in the IT manual as the \"correct\" MS carb for 88s, with the TSX 610 listed as the right carb for 88s after SN 6503000.  Only other carb listed is the Zenith 11580 used on some 88s before SN 6502000.  Can\'t say what the TSX 181 was used on.\r\n\r\nHope that helps some.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'gA==','me8do335',1,0,'',789,0,0),(4909,1057,2,788,0,'207.200.116.131',1115704068,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','i haave a couple for parts should have a seat and can get a pic of the floor pans for you. let me know if you still need them','',0,'gA==','2p7j0rcc',1,0,'',788,0,0),(4910,655,2,788,0,'207.200.116.131',1115704699,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','i have a 70 std with fenders that i\'m parting let me know if your still looking','',0,'gA==','1c6va4zm',1,0,'',788,0,0),(4911,655,2,238,0,'64.12.116.136',1115773691,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Bear,\r\nThanx for the offer but mine is a row crop 70.\r\n                                                                   Larry','',0,'gA==','boaf5zoj',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4912,1198,4,43,0,'158.247.216.55',1115829853,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','What should I offer?','I\'m looking at an Oliver-Cletrac DD. It was parked outside about 20 years ago judging by the size of the tree grown up in it. The above mentioned tree is about 20\" dia. and is grown around the left track adjuster. The crawler is complete, but will need the entire undercarriage rebuilt and all the stuff that goes bad from setting outside (seat, gauges, handle grips, etc.). The left track is off and the idler needs replaced. The engine, steering clutches, hydraulic pump and hydraulic cylinders were all supposed to have been rebuilt just prior to being parked. I couldn\'t tell if the engine is stuck or not, but it does have a rain cap still on the exhaust pipe.. It has a Heil dozer blade with it. The owner is willing to haul it for me if we can winch it on his lowboy. Knowing the owner for as long as I have, I trust what he is telling me about it. Give me an idea of what to offer as a fair price.\r\nThanks,\r\nGeoffrey','',0,'gA==','1bjy9xnb',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4913,1191,3,76,0,'67.50.252.29',1115850143,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','magazine','Great issue this month!!','',0,'gA==','325n0lak',1,0,'',76,0,0),(4914,1191,3,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1115864933,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\nMy congratulations to You and Becky. \r\n                                                              Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','2ezjkonh',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4915,655,2,484,0,'66.21.90.195',1116007344,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HP 70 Fenders','Try Lance Goodeman 517-449-6065 he told me he has one maybe two sets for hart parrr 70\'s.','',0,'gA==','2z4q1exr',1,0,'',484,0,0),(4916,655,2,238,0,'152.163.100.136',1116042913,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanx KWF, but I already tried him...no luck','',0,'gA==','1m3fe451',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4917,1057,2,96,0,'209.143.23.104',1116069238,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','18-27 Rowcrop','Is this a single front wheel model? Does it have brakes?','',0,'gA==','flevrkym',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4918,1191,3,47,0,'12.65.48.205',1116070778,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey 995 Lugamatic,','Maybe we are talking apples, and oranges here. I don\'t have a problem with demonstrating the abilities of an old field ready tractor, it is not much different from what they were made for. But, in my opinion, once the machine tools start cutting, and the add-ons are bolted up, that destroys any reasonable attempt of complying with the reversability principle. Or in other words, it can\'t be put back easily. I did some drag racing about 30-35 years ago, I know that in order to get big horsepower machining is required, at least it was on the 426 Hemi engine. I wish I had left them as they were, as those old stock engines are worth a fortune now. Similar to pullers, often these engines were sacrificed for a few seconds of glory. Sometimes when a person is young, stupid things are done, I was no exception. Fortunately, Ramchargers began producing application specific parts for drag racing. This saved lots of the parts that are available to car collectors, specifically Mopar, today.\r\nYes, it is the owners perogative, just like in the 50\'s when as a child, I would go to the livestock auction with my father, and see fine, well trained teams of draft horses sold for nearly nothing, because tractors had replaced them. I always wanted Dad to buy some of them, maybe I would get to ride them the 50 miles or so home. Well he didn\'t, and I probably would have gotten lost. The horses went to the glue factory in Columbus, Ohio. These were still good productive work horses. My Great Grandfather, Austin Clark, was a horse farmer, he had respect for horses. When a horse of his got too old to work, he told me, she had served him well, so, he would put her out to pasture, letting her live out her life in retirement. He would never have considered sending one of his horses to the glue factory, but then again, he was a REAL horseman. But, it was the owners perogative!\r\nThe same thing with the old steam engines, I\'ve seen many being cut up at the scrapyard, and history was lost forever, but, it was the owners perogative!\r\nNow, the fine draft horses, and steam engines are a dying breed, because they weren\'t preserved.\r\nWith the agriculture industry going more and more in the direction of job specific machinery, it can only be a matter of time before the general purpose farm tractor goes the way of the horses, and steam engines.\r\nAs a member of this association, I try to do my part in caring and preserving these old machines. Mine are in semi retirement, a few days each year they get to demonstrate what they once would do in a workday, but I make sure they are never overworked, take breaks, and get loving care to be well maintained.\r\n I don\'t believe we should promote activity which is destructive to this machinery, not does our mission statement, or Article 1, section B, of our Bylaws.\r\n\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','2t527gj6',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4919,1057,2,47,0,'12.64.152.240',1116160798,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','You should contact the Floyd County Museum for manuals and pictures, Ph (641) 228-1099.\r\nI have several 1930 models, this was a unique year, right after the merger, and new things were being tried.\r\nYou are correct about the guage holes in the rear fuel tank support assembly. On the Hart-Parr Oliver Rowcrop tractor there was only 1 guage, the oil pressure guage, and it used part number CS-831 until SN 102930. SN 102931 and up used part number CS-831A, which had the second hole. There was part number changes on the fenders, and platforms, the first change was at SN 102135, then again at around SN 103300, but it could have been SN 103313, there is a small hole in that data for some reason. The fenders probably were the same or very similar, probably changes were made to the supports once the brakes were changed, that would be my guess. But since all my Hart-Parr Oliver tractors are 1930\'s, I don\'t have a 1931 to compare to.\r\nYour 1930 tractor was produced as a Hart-Parr Oliver Rowcrop Tractor, marketed and sold under that model name, whereas your 1931 would have been produced, marketed and sold as an 18-27, SN 102649 thru 103300 would have been equipt with a single front wheel, then from 103301 on would have gotten dual front wheels, and some other changes. If you order the Manual of Instructions &amp; Parts List, it will give the parts changes by serial number.\r\nI hope this helps you some!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','3sgvueet',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4923,1202,4,856,0,'24.179.177.81',1116383831,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Cletrac  BGS-H dozer/tractor','Hi, I have one of these. Serrial 7C070 It was left behind by a young couple I rented to last year. They rented my rural house, then left in a hurry (if you see them, tell them they owe two months of electric bills!), and left this behind, probably because they had no way to haul it. I don\'t know if it runs or works or anything, but the keys are in it, and the renters were able to move it from in front of the garage to back by the field, about 200 feet, and I doubt they pushed it. I was going to just see if anyone would haul it off for scrap, but I did a little searching and found it is from the 1940s and may have some value, for parts anyway. I\'m in northern MN, not exactly close to many people. Should I just put it on Ebay or something? Any tips welcome. Thanks.','',1,'gA==','28jydn6p',1,0,'',856,0,0),(4924,226,1,653,0,'216.139.125.70',1116436869,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','My ex-wife didn\'t like the idea of more than one tractor. It cut into her eating out money too much. \r\nMy girlfriend understands. She is a car nut. She has: 67 Goat, 70 Mach 1, 76 Vette. She says as long as I stay on my side of the barn I can do what I want. Who could argue with that?','',0,'gA==','3w0v34ua',1,0,'',653,0,0),(4926,1204,1,859,0,'209.191.204.169',1116513253,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Restoration Parts?','Hello all... another Oliver Newbie here.  I have the same compulsive urge that probably most of you do to buy a tractor in need.  A recent acquisition is a 70RC that is MUCH in need.\r\n\r\nWhere is a GOOD place to find sheet metal, and the vital organs for these?  I wish there was a site like ford8n.com or farmall-h.com which I have found useful for those other 2 that I have restored.  The only Oliver sites I have found thus far had VERY limited parts and they seemed [b:3e409l3i]REALLY[/b:3e409l3i] expensive relative to other tractor parts I have bought.\r\n\r\nAny help would be [b:3e409l3i][u:3e409l3i]GREATLY[/b:3e409l3i][/u:3e409l3i] appreciated.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\n\r\nBen\r\n\r\nPS - Those of you that made it to Prairie Village in 2004 - it was great seeing you!  I have volunteered on the RailRoad there for the past 18 years and will be back again this year if you make it down. <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'QQ==','3e409l3i',1,0,'',859,0,0),(4927,1202,4,813,0,'216.189.140.66',1116537809,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Email me if you still have this crawler','Email me if you still have this crawler\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:speter@wcta.net\">speter@wcta.net</a><!-- e -->\r\nSteve Peterson Northern MN','',0,'QQ==','m8dl3hon',1,0,'',813,0,0),(4929,1191,3,805,0,'152.163.100.136',1116589539,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy I wish you would take your opions and go crawl in a hole somewhere along with your bylaws. Chriss and Becky  were trying hard to do a little somthing different. and are somwhat improveing on mag. and you want to go critisizing them for writing or doing a story that some of us may have intterest in. if you didnt like it dont read it. your time may be better spent house breaking harley dog so he doesnt  pea on the carpet  or somones leg at next years winter gettogether.If you want to talk bylaws i think there should be one about animals at club functions . for liability reasons.I just want to let you know i tractor pull some and not one of my tractors are modifided. and the ones that are by other pullers have probally been saved from going to scrape. have a good day   freddie','',0,'QQ==','1mutwuka',1,0,'',805,0,0),(4930,1205,3,12,0,'69.128.202.171',1116594587,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPOCA Board Meeting','Hi Everyone,\r\n\r\nThe next board mtg. will be 6PM, Saturday June 4th. It will be at the Hampton Inn, Springfield OH. Hampton Inn is located off of I-70 at exit 54. The address is 101 W Leffel Ln. it is the first street north of the interstate.\r\n\r\nIf you need more details, please post, email, or call. \r\n\r\nThanks, John.','',0,'QQ==','3qk9iptz',1,0,'',12,0,0),(4931,1204,1,853,0,'68.61.123.169',1116596494,1,0,0,1,1,0,'','','I have a lot of parts for Oliver 70\'s  I don\'t have a lot of sheet metal parts, but I do have some front nose cones, grills, fenders, and a lot of engine parts.  What are you looking for?  You could give me a call if you would like (517) 449-6065.\r\nThank you,\r\nLance Goodemoot','',0,'QQ==','2lypv7ec',1,0,'',853,0,0),(4932,1204,1,859,0,'24.179.178.243',1116698931,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks Lance.  I\'ll drop you a line.  Right now we don\'t even know where to start. LOL.  As we begin to need things I\'ll call you and see what you have.\r\n\r\nBen','',0,'QQ==','jc9it2if',1,0,'',859,0,0),(4933,1206,1,780,0,'12.106.228.156',1116853291,1,0,0,1,1,1,'','1755 over heating','I have a 1755 gas. I was running a hay conditioner yesterday and the tractor  would slowly climb to the red line on the temp gauge. So I stopped and checked the radiator and it was full. I also check to see if the radiator had leaves on the front , it did not. \r\nSo this is my question why are some other things to look at for over heating on my tractor?\r\n\r\nThanks \r\nMatt','',0,'QQ==','2ffrcvfu',1,0,'',780,0,0),(4934,1206,1,803,0,'216.223.167.103',1116907040,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Go ahead and take a shop light and hold it on one side or the other of the radiator and make sure you can see light thru the hole thing. Wouldn\'t hurt to wash it out anyways. Our MF 8560 would overheat after running for about a hour and we thought the radiator was clean, then spent about three hours with a garden hose washing it out and end of problem. After checking radiator is clean and still overheats personally I would check thermostat next, might not be opening all the way.','',0,'QQ==','1ji5lsyd',1,0,'',803,0,0),(4935,1187,1,803,0,'216.223.167.103',1116909396,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','WE have over 7000 hours on the third tach in our 1855 and has had a rebuild more than once. Far as the oil cooler goes ours has a add on the goes between the oil filter and the base with coolant lines coming down to it. When we were using it hard we added a second circulation pump and drew oil from the bottom of the pan and thru a second oil cooler we mounted on the grill. This seemed to help more than anything.','',0,'QQ==','xrq2sz48',1,0,'',803,0,0),(4936,1205,3,47,0,'12.65.120.29',1117074335,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey John,\r\nGreetings from West Virginia!!! I\'m glad this worked out that way. I got my grinding corn planted this evening, and I still have some time on the beans. Starting to get caught up around here, only fight left is the weather, and I am yet to find a way to beat that! That 5400 planter works like a charm, everything except the monitor, I guess I\'ll want to mess with the wiring connections, possibly the sensors. But it hit real close to my target population this evening on Hickory King corn. My guess is it didn\'t hit dead on because I only need to plant 1 acre to supply those who grind cornmeal around here, so the seed was low, I was watching the fans blow some of the seed back into the hopper when I checked the supply. It won\'t be that way with the beans, it will get full hoppers, 2 or 3 times at least.\r\nThe 4th is good for me at 6 PM, that way I can go to breakfast at the American Legion that morning. We serve breakfast the first Saturday of each month, regretfully, I have missed the last few, I will be able to catch this one, that way they won\'t think badly of me.\r\nI hope all is going well for you. Our hay seems to be a little light this year, the extension service is advising to cut early, they must not be watching the weather, or they are getting dryer weather in Morgantown than we are. We were able to get some in, but it got rained on, so quality is not as I wish it was. Cow feed!!! I put a bunch of lime and fertilizer on mine, and told my buddies not to touch it until we can get some horse feed out of it!\r\nI have the date and time marked, it is not far from here, about 3 1/2 hours, so, I await seeing you!!!\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QQ==','b68e0rq4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4937,1206,1,780,0,'12.106.228.156',1117108274,1,0,0,1,1,1,'','Overheating','Just to let you know I kept looking at the radiator and thought I would go ahead and blow it out with compressed air.  So I did that and baled 500 bales hay with it and the temp gauge bairly got in the black.  Is there a place that sells the screen/frame that goes in front of the radiator? I thinking I need one pretty bad. \r\n\r\nThanks\r\nMatt','',0,'QQ==','3mgnw5fo',1,0,'',780,0,0),(4938,1206,1,803,0,'216.223.167.133',1117165260,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Try any of the tractor salvage yards, or if you can\'t find one go ahead and call Maibach Tractor, they seem to be the most reasonable of anybody.','',0,'QQ==','3nt2skwn',1,0,'',803,0,0),(4939,1187,1,47,0,'12.64.198.21',1117371438,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Your Dad might be right. From your handle I am guessing you live in Ohio. If this is northern Ohio is can get pretty cold in winter. The gas tractors will start easier there on cold days, thus, your livestock has a better chance of getting feed. Here in West Virginia we have a Farmall guy who owns a 656 gas for that exact reason. He rarely uses it, but has it just in case of a bad winter.\r\nAs far as bad press on the 1855 diesel, that is because of the original connecting rod bolts, and wrist pin bushings. There was a refit kit to upgrade this, it is likely that if the tractor you find doesn\'t have a hole in the side of the engine block, it probably has been upgraded. I wouldn\'t rule out that there are some low hour originals still out there, but it would be a rare find. If the engine has been rebuilt at one time or another, you shouldn\'t have this problem. As it was an early problem, and it was detected early on, then corrected.\r\nI hope this helps.\r\nAndy','',0,'QQ==','3qhsrd2b',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4940,1204,1,47,0,'12.64.198.21',1117372426,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Ben,\r\nPresident Hume has donated a 70 parts tractor to the Appalachian chapter. We intend to disassemble it and bring the parts to the HPOCA Summer Show to be auctioned off, for the benefit of the Hart Parr Oliver foundation, to help in establishing a museum for our association. You may wish to come to Baraboo, WI to enjoy the show, while there, attend the auction, and put in a few bids. You can kill two birds with one stone that way! I don\'t know what parts there will be, as we still have to go haul the tractor back here. If there is something specific, you can send a message to Wrenchbender, he would be able to tell you what will be available.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QQ==','ega83kyv',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4941,1204,1,374,0,'152.163.100.136',1117411364,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver 70','I to have two \'70\'s to part out...let me know what your needs are\r\nEd Brandt','',0,'QQ==','3mskava6',1,0,'',374,0,0),(4942,1207,1,717,0,'204.60.226.133',1117674872,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','OLIVER 500','HELLO ALL,\r\n   I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT AN OLIVER 500 FOR SALE DOWNSTATE FROM ME AND WONDERED IF ANYONE CAN TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT THEM. I KNOW THAT IT HAS A DAVID BROWN ENGINE, WAS MADE IN ENGLAND, AND ONLY FOR 3 OR 4 YEARS.  DID THEY HAVE POWER STEERING OR LIVE PTO? I WOULD IMAGINE THAT PARTS MUST BE DIFFICULT TO COME BY. ANY INFO OR THINGS TO LOOK OUT FOR WOULD BE HELPFUL.\r\n    I AM LOOKING ( OR MY WIFE THINKS I SHOULD BE) FOR A 55 OR A 550 FOR MOWING WITH A 7 FOOT FINISH MOWER AND WONDERED IF THIS 500 WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO THESE OTHERS.\r\n                        THANKS,\r\n                              CAL','',0,'Ag==','un11r545',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4943,1208,1,860,0,'205.188.116.201',1117678470,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Need paint code for an oliver hart-parr 28-44','I am looking for a DuPont or ppg paint code for acrylic enamel for a 1935 oliver hart-parr 28-44 i am needing the code for the green.\r\n\r\nthanks\r\njimmie <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? -->','',0,'Ag==','nrcymyty',1,0,'',860,0,0),(4944,1207,1,96,0,'209.143.23.150',1117706816,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 500','The Oliver 500 is a 850 David Brown. Parts for them are available from Case-IH. They were first imported in 1960. Is it gas or diesel? They are a little smaller than a 550 in horsepower. They have a dual plate 2 stage clutches, not a seperate clutch for the PTO like a 550. There are also 2 series of the Oliver 500 tractors. Serial number is on the right side setting on the seat and behind your foot. Questions?','',0,'Ag==','1evigfkm',1,0,'',96,0,0),(4945,1209,3,614,0,'205.188.116.201',1117772271,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Missing persons','ONLY  1  visitor  all day today--- that was me   at 11pm....  come on now..  at least check in ...  !  \r\n\r\n\r\nwas it something I said ???   LOL','',0,'Ag==','1fzff2dh',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4946,1207,1,717,0,'204.60.214.86',1117846021,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','oliver500','Thanks for the reply,john.  I read your message last night but I had not had time enough to speak with the owner, but did so today, so here is what I know.....\r\n        The machine is gas, has good oil pressure, runs good, but needs a carb. rebuild, has 3 p.h., a repaint by a body shop (should be good) tires are okay, but cracked with age....so what...as long as they hold air and they do. I asked about whether or not it had a live PTO and he wasn\'t sure.... he says there is some sort of an added on (by the factory)gear box at the rear where thePTO comes out, but he wasn\'t sure what it was.  The owner wants $1800.00 and said he originally bought it because it was unusual.\r\n     Perhaps I will go look at it tomorrow if I can get away for a couple of hours.\r\n                        Cal','',0,'Ag==','3gh1cf8k',1,0,'',717,0,0),(4947,1209,3,76,0,'67.50.252.252',1117980661,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','missing persons','i dont know about everyone else, but i\'ve been getting off work, then mowing hay till dark.  That 1650 sure handles the mower / conditioner well\r\n\r\nNow if the rain will just hold off till monday night','',0,'Ag==','10m3qrpg',1,0,'',76,0,0),(4948,1209,3,614,0,'64.12.116.136',1118030766,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I think we\'re a bit dry--  just got   damp  last week when I had hay mowed..\r\n\r\nnow  I wanted rain-- so I will mow more hay I guess.','',0,'Ag==','3g90dxny',1,0,'',614,0,0),(4949,1209,3,76,0,'67.50.252.172',1118113008,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','missing persons','that was my attitude also. I was planning on keep cutting, but the 1650 had other ideas.  I got something in the gas tank, and now it wont run. So temporary fix, take the big tractor off the baler and mow with it. I guess eventually it will rain, and i\'ll have time to take the gas tank off.  just another problem in the long process of baling   <!-- s:cry: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif\" alt=\":cry:\" title=\"Crying or Very sad\" /><!-- s:cry: -->   But............... i do feel fortunate that the weather is holding off, unlike last year','',0,'Ag==','kaqwyj7g',1,0,'',76,0,0),(4950,1209,3,465,0,'4.225.5.36',1118117495,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Finding other interests. Lot of old friends just don\'t post here anymore. I may stop in once a week. this site is getting lower and lower on favorites my favorites list.','',0,'Ag==','8soh9k21',1,0,'',465,0,0),