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-- Table structure for table `phpbb_login_attempts`
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-- Dumping data for table `phpbb_login_attempts`
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-- Table structure for table `phpbb_moderator_cache`
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--
-- Table structure for table `phpbb_mods`
--

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-- Dumping data for table `phpbb_mods`
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--
-- Table structure for table `phpbb_modules`
--

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INSERT INTO `phpbb_posts` VALUES (2199,560,3,403,0,'66.187.42.71',1074727814,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Farmer in The Dells (WI)','what are the stars for?','under your name (mine says newbie) there are stars too. What do they mean and how to you advance to become an apprentice and so on?','',0,'','35v4lwq8',1,0,'',403,0,0),(2200,560,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1074733300,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','The stars are your rank in relation to how many posts you have made in this website&#039;s forum.  They are as follows (as explained in the FAQ link)\r\n\r\nOliver Newbie  1-9 stars\r\nOliver Apprentice  10-99 stars  \r\nOliver Graduate  100-499  \r\nOliver Master  500-999  \r\nOliver Posting Freak  1000 up','',0,'','1z5re08q',1,0,'',142,0,0),(2201,85,1,254,0,'216.37.132.145',1074737348,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','collection','Well I am new to olivers I have one 1953 88RC diesel i am restoring .I also have \r\n1971 FMC 656 diesel \r\n1979 IH 886\r\n1972 MF 180 Diesel \r\n1964 MF 65 Diesel\r\n1970 FMC TD340 with a drott 4 in bucket\r\nall run drive and work .I hope to have more olivers in the next year or so.\r\nGreg','',0,'','qutfbyaa',1,0,'',254,0,0),(2202,520,1,458,0,'152.163.252.104',1074740527,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H','Polarizing generator','I happen to have a copy of the service manual for a model 1800 Oliver.  Page B4-29 reads as follows:\r\nAfter the generator is installed on the engine, or at any time after the leads have been disconnected and then reconnected to the generator, a short piece of wire should be connected momenterily between the B and G terminals of the regulator, before starting the engine.\r\n\r\nHope this helps,\r\n\r\nJohn H.','',0,'','252obr7f',1,0,'',458,0,0),(2203,534,3,374,0,'152.163.252.199',1074741195,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','magazine','neither did I get mine........','',0,'','p3347tks',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2204,534,3,35,0,'68.210.78.75',1074741442,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','magazine','Don&#039;t have mine either!:(:(','',0,'','1vc9mmjy',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2205,534,3,67,0,'64.6.2.86',1074744703,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','The magazine is finished, and being mailed Thursday, 1/22.  A few kinks had to be worked out in the production.  We are looking at possibly moving the mailing date to the 15th of the month, rather than the first, not definite as yet.  This would avoid congestion with being mailed at the same time as the Antique Power magazine by the same printer.  Your input would be appreciated.  Terry.','',0,'','8ego42em',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2206,534,3,465,0,'206.216.207.229',1074749664,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','I wouldn&#039;t mind it coming the 15th or the 1st week of even months. I just want a good magazine.\r\n\r\nBy the way Terry, You just missed your own deadline. go back to your original thread. You said it went out on the 15th.\r\n\r\nOne other thing I would like to bring up. Is there any way we could subscribe or renew on-line? I would have joined at least a year sooner if I could have sent a CC# to the clubs website.','',0,'','255wesv1',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2207,534,3,40,0,'64.12.96.166',1074780237,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Well,  I mind that the members of the HPOCA have to wait until the 15th.  I don&#039;t get the other magazine and don&#039;t really want to.  I would think that the editors and the board would have busted their humps to make sure the first magazine was on time.  By that I mean the first of the month.  \r\n\r\nThe thing about mailing permits etc. doesn&#039;t hold much water with me in light of the fact the current editors are also editors of another magazine.  Checking on those permits should have been one of the first things they checked. They should not have assumed that they were okay.  It is a lot like buying a Super 88 in Iowa in October.  You had better check the radiator and make sure it has anti-freeze, if you don&#039;t you might be surprised in December when it gets down to zero.','',0,'','2a43w2uf',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2208,556,1,468,0,'209.139.108.7',1074794775,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Technoid','Power steering','[Edited on 1-22-2004 by Technoid]','',0,'','2b05fwfp',1,0,'',468,0,0),(2209,556,1,468,0,'209.139.108.7',1074794787,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Technoid','Power steering','[quote] Thanks John and IanC for your reply. My Oliver 770 is missing the ID plate. For the longest time  I thought it was a 1750. It wasn&#039;t until I removed the Carb that I discovered  the true model. TSX-755 carbs were installed on the 770. My electrical system is 12v. I know it was some time during the late 50&#039;s that the change over went to 12v. My power steering pump is belt driven off the crankshaft. It will blow all the oil out  the reservoir until it goes empty. I don&#039;t see where a direct drive pump would have been attached. The alternator is also belt driven.\n\n[Edited on 1-22-2004 by Technoid]','',0,'','edm8yldp',1,0,'',468,0,0),(2210,534,3,465,0,'206.216.204.78',1074795103,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','I would like to aplogize to anyone offended by my refering to I&amp;amp;I as a podunk club. They have a wonderful facility.','',0,'','1msiw1d5',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2211,85,1,345,0,'69.66.76.3',1074800067,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','collection','Only have an 880.\r\n\r\nTricked neighbor into buying a Super 55.\r\n\r\nI have aquired an Oliver wagon running gear, whenever I can get a friend traded out of it.\r\n\r\nDid Oliver make many wagon gears?\r\n\r\nAlso, will be looking for the restored Oliver at the Iowa State Fair, on tractor pull day !!','',0,'','cz4b0nvd',1,0,'',345,0,0),(2212,534,3,345,0,'69.66.76.3',1074800320,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','membership','Keith, I think if you click on MAGAZINE, there is a way to join online there.\r\n\r\nI don&#039;t mind if they change to the 15th.\r\n\r\nThe look of the new front cover (when you click on magazine) is really neat! Hope the rest of the magazine looks as sharp!\r\n\r\nStill not here in central Iowa.','',0,'','2laferal',1,0,'',345,0,0),(2213,561,4,345,0,'69.66.76.3',1074800580,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','Cletrac on Ebay','There is an interesting &amp;quot;military&amp;quot; Cletrac on Ebay.\r\n\r\nWhat is it?\r\n\r\nUse Ebay motors, and then use cletrac for search. It is the only thing listed.(last night anyway).\r\n\r\nLooks like it is in Nebraska. Rubber tracks and everything, man you could have fun driving that downtown !!!!!!','',0,'','m67ih423',1,0,'',345,0,0),(2214,534,3,465,0,'207.95.168.71',1074801651,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','I have to admit it is a really sharp looking cover.\r\nAlso checked on the subscription. only went to the first page. If a new person can order online with a CC# that is great.\r\n I can only speak for myself. I bet it would take 2 hands to count how many times I printed out the old application and it would never get mailed.  Would have been a member at least a year sooner. Just wonder how many others it happend to.','',0,'','1ze6crob',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2215,561,4,96,0,'216.201.29.88',1074829307,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Military Cletrac','I did not look but I heard there is an MG-1 on e-bay.','',0,'','1oe1pvjz',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2216,561,4,67,0,'64.6.2.94',1074830168,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','It looks like a MG-1 bomber nurse, but appears to be missing the generator and air compressor.  Doesn&#039;t look too bad!  MG-1 is a military crawler build on a D Cletrac frame, with high speed gearing and rubber tracks.','',0,'','1gsu169i',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2218,534,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.169',1074873797,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','It&#039;s in the mail!!!','I just got confirmation that the magazine was put in the mail yesterday, Jan 22. Some may get theirs as early as today. Let us know when you get yours.\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'','2m4r38kj',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2219,85,1,419,0,'207.144.213.5',1074896001,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnsonsolivers','collection','My dad started w/ an 88 RC gas with a big k loader. Then came the 1650 wide fornt and bad motor. He rebuilt in the snow in the winter of 1986. Then came me in 1-21-88. Ever since then we have teamed it. Heres the list of the tractors we have now:\r\n\r\n    Super 77 D nf (mine)\r\n(1)1948 88 RC gas fleetline (mine)\r\n(2)1949 88 RC gases\r\n(2)1950 88 RC &amp;quot;\r\n(1)1951 88 RC &amp;quot;\r\n(1)1952 88 RC &amp;quot;\r\n(1)1954 S88RC\r\n\r\n(1)1600 gas nf gas (mine)\r\n(3)1650 gas wf     \r\n(1)1550 gas wf     \r\n(1)1750 in pieces  knock in the motor\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nmike\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[Edited on 3-21-2004 by johnsonsolivers]\n\n[Edited on 3-22-2004 by johnsonsolivers]','',0,'','97pyeyz5',1,0,'',419,0,0),(2220,562,6,407,0,'208.31.40.126',1074910177,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','watch out for scams!!!!','I almost got taken for a bunch so here is the lowdown for you folks trying to sell something on the internet;\r\nI put a JD bulldozer on yesterdaystractors the other day. Got a responce within hours from a man who wanted it. He said he was out of state and wanted to know if it really was a good machine, and would I take a cashiers check for 5750 verses the 5800 I was asking. I said I would take that, but I&#039;d much rather send him some pictures before he did anything if I could have his address. He emailed me back telling me this; read close, its wierd. He is from the UK and he would send me a cashiers check if he could get my address. He would have to go through a client in NY who would then send me a cashiers check for 8900 and I would then wire back the difference to him, subtracting the 5750, through an international banking system. This sounded like more work than I wanted to do as well as a scam, I looked up yesterdaystractors and found an alert for this sort of scam.If you want to know what they do with the money take a look, I recommend it! Just letting you guys know what can happen. Look for the scam alert in the classifieds of yesterdays tractors. They can tell better than I. Hope this inconveniece doesn&#039;t happen to  you! --Adam','',0,'','35uy7ezm',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2221,85,1,467,0,'152.163.252.196',1074912798,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John J','','I have on our farm an 1855  1755 1650 1600 1555 1550 tractors all gas models also a348 4-16and 6342 3-16 plows 2 #5 pickers 2 #312 planters  a44t planter   <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->all showroom condition','',0,'','174zmu37',1,0,'',467,0,0),(2223,534,3,47,0,'65.238.36.182',1074923960,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I don&#039;t like that 15th thing worth a darn. HPOC is the only magazine that I get that has NEVER been on time, maybe mailed by the issue date, but I want it in my mailbox on the issue date or before. That means if it says May-June, for example, it needs to be in everyones mailbox on or before May 1. That is what issue dates are about, otherwise why have them. If the editor, publisher, or printer can&#039;t keep up with the pace, we need to find someone who can!','',0,'','1mo52px8',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2224,558,2,47,0,'65.238.36.182',1074925458,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Check the number of splines, early 6 splines, later possibly 10 splines, I don&#039;t know for sure, the parts book notes a change, but what? 80&#039;s had 10 splines. Will not interchange without changing the axle, or doing some fancy machine work.','',0,'','2s1s6se9',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2225,534,3,5,0,'216.166.192.11',1074949203,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Issue dates','Andy, I disagree. I recieve quite a few magazines and they are scattered all over the board. Some come the first week of the issuing month, some the second. Heck, I even get one that is dated three months in adavnce. The one I speak of has Christmas articles in it in September, yet it is marked December!!! I don&#039;t think anyone should take issue with when the mag is sent, as long as it&#039;s consistant. My 2 cents. oleblu','',0,'','5gqf5g1x',1,0,'',5,0,0),(2226,534,3,47,0,'65.238.36.102',1074951622,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey oleblu,\r\nThat is fine, if they want to send it out on the 15th, make it the 15th BEFORE the issue date, not after. What do you think the bank, gas, or electric co., would say if you told them you would just send in your payment on the 15th after it was due, because someone else wanted you to do something else? You would lose your house, car, etc., your gas and electric would be shut off. If the editor has a problem getting the material to the publisher, look for a new editor Note:I expect to see problems in the first 2 issues, due to transition, after that no excuses., if the publisher can&#039;t do his job, get someone who can, and if the printer can&#039;t meet our requirements, get another one who can. This IS a buyers market. This is the MEMBERS MONEY we are talking about, that is something I am not comfortable playing games with. The MEMBERS pay for goods and services to be delivered, it should be done as promptly as possible. Some delay is acceptable as situation demands, but not on a regular basis. REMEMBER, this organization is about the MEMBERS, it has always been about the MEMBERS, and should remain so.','',0,'','35gsap1n',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2227,534,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1074975747,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','I personally have no problem if they want to set a target date at the 15th instead of the beginning of the month.  As long as they keep schedule with the date they set I&#039;ll be perfectly happy.  I don&#039;t know about anyone else, but every magazine I&#039;ve subscribed to has control of their own magazine, sets their own publish dates, et...  I think we&#039;re lucky in this club that we&#039;re asked for input on the matter and not just told what its going to be.  Shows that our interests really do matter.','',0,'','2aqwcvqs',1,0,'',142,0,0),(2230,534,3,40,0,'152.163.252.199',1075002259,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','No magazine as of the 24th of January.','',0,'','1vi13lyv',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2231,543,5,40,0,'152.163.252.199',1075002393,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Are we using the new software yet?  Does it have a spell checker?','',0,'','t0ma069k',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2232,534,3,56,0,'216.138.55.109',1075021808,1,0,1,1,1,1,'oliver farmer','magazine','no magazine here in southern illinois either! also, i don&#039;t like the idea of having to wait to get it.  i don&#039;t get any other magazine. i live in &amp;quot;RED POWER&amp;quot; country. every one around me has red, and it seems that their magazine editor can look at a calander and tell when the holidays are and adjust themselves to be sure to get theirs out on time.  maybe even a little early. it doesn&#039;t look good when they all know that i support OLIVER and they come to my work and say &amp;quot;did you get your OLIVER magazine yet? you may not!&amp;quot; it makes us as a club look bad. it make me feel bad. i like to show off my copy to everyone, only now, i have no copy. i hope this problem will get better as time goes on.','',0,'','2k2f9czj',1,0,'',56,0,0),(2233,563,2,477,0,'144.139.163.88',1075036178,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jsmyth','Hart Parr in Australia','Could any one please give any info on Hart Parr tractors in Australia','',0,'','3gqb7ucg',1,0,'',477,0,0),(2234,564,3,403,0,'66.187.42.28',1075040307,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Farmer in The Dells (WI)','Will you join or renew to HPOCA in 2004? revisited','Another simple pole. There have been more choices added in the event the previous pole did not cover your answer. I know this program does not cover multiple views of which I had several watching the pole so admittedly this is highly unscientific with a huge margin for error. What was interesting to me and should be noted by the board that with over 500 views to the previous pole there are only 26 votes to date. With the large membership is it possible the majority of them either don’t have access to the internet or simply are members only for the magazine? Again answer only once to make it as accurate as possible. Also don’t turn this pole into any sort of debate. Start a new thread or your views may not be read by members who don’t look at polls. Have a great day.','',0,'','1uhrj267',1,0,'',403,0,0),(2235,534,3,88,0,'67.74.238.244',1075051120,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','No Magazine here either (In Pa), but somehow it doesn&#039;t surprise me. Well, the new magazine editor is off to a great start,,,,,Congratulations to the board for their wise decision.....','',0,'','3rfe5ibl',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2236,85,1,238,0,'152.163.252.196',1075061288,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','When I was a kid we only had 7 acres and my dad had a F-20 Farmall and a JD A (that ran) all the neighbors were getting Oliver 70&#039;s. I thought they looked like race cars! I farmed in the 70&#039;s with a 1950T, 88 wf D and &#039;53 77. Started my collection 2 yrs ago:\r\n&#039;36 HP 70 rc just about done now on steel\r\n2 &#039;37 styled 70&#039;s on cutoffs\r\n&#039;44 70 rear steel\r\n&#039;48 70\r\n&#039;52 77\r\n&#039;58 770 \r\n&#039;66 770 WF\r\n&#039;45 80\r\n OC 3restored\r\nWhite 4-180\r\n107 rake, 620 baler, 2- 2B plowmasters(1 on steel) JD 950 W/ bushog loader/drag box and 5&#039; mower plus 18 Cat and JD machines in our excavating bus.\r\nTrying to get entire &amp;quot;70&amp;quot; line, 1st and last Looking for &#039;35 &amp;amp; &#039;38 HP 70, &#039;48 77, &#039;53 77,&#039;54 &amp;amp; &#039;58 super 77&#039;s. Will sell or trade my &#039;44 70 and &#039;52 77 for one of the above.\r\n<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','1bsxlxlm',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2237,550,3,238,0,'152.163.252.199',1075063571,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','What&#039;s in my shed','The poll idea is great! But...I tried to vote for Hart Parr and Oliver, couldn&#039;t do it. \r\nLarry Coltrin (Larry NE IL)','',0,'','1dy8pcm8',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2239,564,3,67,0,'64.6.2.154',1075078665,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','One reason that the viewer numbers look so high in relation to the votes cast is that every time you look at the poll, even if you have already voted, it counts as a viewing.  If everyone who voted looked at it every day for a week, it would be 7 times the number of votes.  Terry.','',0,'','11xlfgs1',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2240,534,3,65,0,'216.183.132.179',1075079380,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Magazine','Not here in stormy ontario but doesn&#039;t surprise me either !!! Because the roads were closed wed. to friday and theres no delivery on saturdays and forcasts are saying nothing going to move tomorrow either! Lucky to slither into town 3 miles away for supplies !:cool:','',0,'','1io8i28q',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2242,543,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.213',1075088975,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','Not as of yet. I figured I&#039;d better give enough time for everybody to be warned of the change.\r\n\r\nThe new forum will have a spell checker. It is an add on feature that will have to be installed after the main software is installed, but it will be there.','',0,'','5xn21pn3',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2243,85,1,238,0,'205.188.209.39',1075090462,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','Just wondered if anybody here is much older than me, 61 1/2. There are some nice collections listed and I don&#039;t want to miss a sale!!!   LOL Larry;)','',0,'','mckfp0p6',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2245,565,1,218,0,'198.81.26.45',1075131297,1,0,1,1,1,0,'colo80','80 parts','am looking for origional tool box and battery box for my 80 standard, any help is greatly appreciated, thanks.','',0,'','38x0h3qb',1,0,'',218,0,0),(2247,534,3,40,0,'64.12.96.166',1075157273,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','No magazine as of 26 January 2004.  Where were they put in the mail?','',0,'','5esw8wa4',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2249,566,2,478,0,'142.165.180.62',1075159249,1,0,1,0,1,0,'Linz','28-44 Hart Parr/Cockshutt?','I have what I think is a 1937 28-44 Hart Parr. However the radiator has Cockshutt embossed in the top front of it, and the plate on the engine block says Oliver on it. Is this the right rad on it? Didn&#039;t Cockshutt take over later than 1937? The serial number is 508245.','',0,'','2z6kwgon',1,0,'',478,0,0),(2250,566,2,65,0,'216.183.132.172',1075161858,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','cockshutt 28-44','we have a 1936 cockshutt hart parr 28-44 serial number 507498 and it has cockshutt on the serial number tag. Cockshutt/hart parr on rad tank.  With oliver on block tag the rad could have been changed at some time on your tractor?  History of cockshutt book states early 30&#039;s as when cockshutt olivers were sold. There are no cockshutt records available.','',0,'','1ym9dcz1',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2253,534,3,67,0,'64.6.2.139',1075164545,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','The magazines were all mailed on Thursday, Jan. 22, from Greenfield, OH, where they are now printed.  Terry.','',0,'','2spdsljx',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2254,550,3,403,0,'66.187.34.76',1075165729,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Farmer in The Dells (WI)','Does a topic close?','It would appear that this topic or poll is closed for voting. I can&#039;t tell you why. Maybe the admin can let us know.','',0,'','1w6em1po',1,0,'',403,0,0),(2255,534,3,116,0,'63.173.217.93',1075167393,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','','no mag. here in W. PA  1/26/04. won&#039;t get it tomorrow either, snowplow wiped out my mailbox. still trying to figure out how to blame the directors &amp;amp; the editor for that. (just kidding)','',0,'','1y195dyi',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2256,534,3,70,0,'67.50.29.155',1075168002,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','magazine','No magazine yet in New York. What&#039;s Up?\r\nBeen patiently waiting.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','3fc1w5f9',1,0,'',70,0,0),(2257,550,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.245',1075170267,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','','The poll worked fine for me, as i hadn&#039;t voted until now. You do have to be logged in in order to vote, and only one choice can be made. This is why you can&#039;t vote for both Hart-Parr and Oliver. \r\n\r\nHope this helps.','',0,'','1on794rz',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2258,567,1,381,0,'206.176.222.77',1075177682,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nailcreek','550 Needs transport from TN to WI','Although I&#039;m not sure it belongs here, here goes anyway... I&#039;m interested in having an Oliver 550 (running) moved from Eagleville, a town 30 miles south of Nashville, TN to the Wausau, WI.  Can anyone suggest someone that might be able to do this for a reasonable cost?','',0,'','22c58e5o',1,0,'',381,0,0),(2259,566,2,307,0,'198.81.26.70',1075182281,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Don Lee','Cockshutt Hart Parr','I have a 1937 18-28 Cockshutt Hart Parr.  As does yours, my tractor has Oliver on the engine plac and Cockshutt embossed on the radiator.  On the left side of the 18-28 engine block &amp;quot;Hart Parr&amp;quot; is embossed. \r\nOliver purchased Hart Parr sometime around 1929 or 1930.  They began building tractors for Cockshutt I believe in 1930 and continued until 1944 although very few were sold during the war.  I believe your tractor is correct as it is.','',0,'','3rvlpi0o',1,0,'',307,0,0),(2261,85,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1075221135,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I have almost to many tractors. I may miss some:\r\n\r\n2- OL70 wide fronts   1- 70 single frt wheel   \r\n4- 70 nf     1- 70 standard  1- OL lessman 25    \r\n1- OL 25\r\n 2 OL80 rc  1- 80 ind   2- 18 27&#039;s    2- 28 44&#039;s (1 being thresherman special)\r\n1- Ol 99    1- OL77 w/ #4 picker  \r\n1-OL77 w/ #74 picker      3 OL 77 nf       3-OL 60nf        1 OL88 standard\r\n  1-case sc        1- silverking (been clocked going 43mph)      Many mounted implements to go with above\r\n many horse drawn Oliver implements. 1 OL thresher (WWII vintage) 1 Ann Arbor baler. Many ol &amp;amp; related company&#039;s manuals and adver. Many wrenches and tools.\r\n I&#039;ve probably forgotten to mention some of my collection. Oh yea 1- cletrac ag6. Most run others looking for their day in my new shop.\r\n Danny','',0,'','27hqdh6n',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2262,534,3,88,0,'65.58.145.20',1075241403,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Just wondering........If the magazines are now mailed from Greenfield Ohio,,,,,,,why did a mailing permit from Illinois have to do with the magazines being mailed out late. I&#039;m no expert on the USPS, but I would think a mailing permit would need to be established at the place of mailing....Perhaps someone could explain that?','',0,'','lg45omtv',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2263,534,3,16,0,'199.120.77.186',1075248810,1,0,1,1,1,0,'GLS','Magazine','I received my magazine today here in S.E IA. Diffinently catches the eye','',0,'','1ko8nz9g',1,0,'',16,0,0),(2265,534,3,67,0,'64.6.2.40',1075250364,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','In response to questions of mailing permits--you hold one mailing permit, usually established at a post offe near your home office.  You then register additional points of entry for the mailing permit, which can be located anywhere they are needed, but still registered under one permit.  The problems with the mailing permit did not affect the mailing date of the magazine, only a distraction.  The only delay caused by the mailing permit was that this issue had to be mailed out under a bulk permit, (3rd class), rather than the usual periodical rate, (2nd class).  We were told that delay in delivery at this rate would be minimal.  I hope this answers a few of your questions.  Terry.','',0,'','1aocxrxz',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2266,566,2,67,0,'64.6.2.40',1075250646,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I used to have an 18-28 Cockshutt Hart Parr.  The serial number tag on it said very clearly--Cockshutt across the top of the tag.  At the bottom of the tag it said&amp;quot;built by the Oliver Corp.&amp;quot; or something to that effect.  The radiator had Cockshutt in large letters, with Hart Parr in smaller letters below.  The block still had Hart Parr cast into the side.  It sounds to me like the 28-44 could either be original, or a hart parr that has had the radiator changed.  As we all know, anything can happen over a period of around 70 years.  Terry.','',0,'','2k7ydlf3',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2267,568,1,254,0,'199.224.87.140',1075253316,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','oliver 88 shafts','well i am puting a new clutch in my 88 diesel and in the prosess i found that the input shaft was wore and that the pto and hyd shaft was wore verry bad and the hub that drives the pto and hyd shaft . I found a input shaft and installed it but i am trying to locate parts new oe used \r\n#1 hub on the crank \r\n#2 pto and hyd shaft.\r\nthe cluthc i took out of my 88 is a 11 inch i done some looking and found that only 88 industral had a 11 clutch my flywheel has holes for a 10 or 11 why would my 88 have a 11 when it should have a 10?\r\nGreg','',0,'','1l68skgu',1,0,'',254,0,0),(2268,534,3,465,0,'207.95.174.222',1075255886,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','I&#039;ll give it till friday. I just live 40 miles from Greenville, you would think I would have it by now. I get my mail order drugs from Texas in two days.','',0,'','2g09zo73',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2269,567,1,16,0,'199.120.77.131',1075257118,1,0,1,1,1,0,'GLS','','Go to yesterdays trator site and click on hauling schedule and see what you can find','',0,'','wqfxnp6b',1,0,'',16,0,0),(2270,534,3,40,0,'152.163.252.199',1075259973,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','No magazine again today.  Guess I should have moved to SE Iowa instead of Western Illinois.\r\n\r\nWill all the issues now be mailed out as 3rd class instead of 2nd class?  Those members in Canada and Europe will never get theirs.','',0,'','2mrrpwso',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2271,534,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.176',1075261104,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','All non-US magazines went out first class. That&#039;s why they have to pay extra.\r\nBy the time the next issue goes out, we will have our new mailing permit, and we&#039;ll be back up to the periodical rate.\r\n\r\nWe received the extra issues by UPS on Monday, but haven&#039;t gotten our regular issue as of yet.','',0,'','25k1m94c',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2272,534,3,481,0,'65.120.106.222',1075261329,1,0,1,1,1,0,'88LP','magazine','No magazine in Pennsylvania, anyone know when we might see it?:(','',0,'','3mpde97g',1,0,'',481,0,0),(2273,534,3,345,0,'69.66.76.247',1075262140,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','','Got Mine !!!!!!!\r\n\r\nCentral Iowa. Usually not first at recieving any magazines here. Pleasantly surprised.','',0,'','24cnvuda',1,0,'',345,0,0),(2275,569,1,484,0,'68.115.175.131',1075300244,1,0,1,1,1,0,'KWF','88 in gear','Just got a new 88 to my collection.  Cannot get transmission to go from high side neutral to low side neutral.  Any suggestions.  The rear end and  trans were full of oily water.  It has been drained.  Possibly just frozen due to cold weather?','',0,'','2oqg9kgh',1,0,'',484,0,0),(2276,569,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1075308579,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Was the trans and rear froze solid on it and do you know for how long? Allow it to sit in a warm spot with the drain plug out to make certain it is fully thawed and drained of water. After this if it still doesn&#039;t go into gear take the top half off to expose the rear and transmission. As you know when water freezes it expands and even though it may not crack the cast housing. This doesn&#039;t always mean you are out of the woods. For many times the frozen water can push shifting linkages and gears out of whack. I had purchased a 70 with frozen water in the rear once. Although the outside casting showed no damage. Boy it sure made a mess inside. I hope for your sake just a little more thawing will correct your problem.\r\n    Danny','',0,'','2w2a7yrz',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2279,569,1,484,0,'68.115.175.131',1075312908,1,0,1,1,1,0,'KWF','','It will go into all gears in high side- 3, 4, 6, HR but will not slide down from neutral.','',0,'','19u2yw9h',1,0,'',484,0,0),(2280,534,3,70,0,'170.215.213.98',1075317057,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','magazine','Was wondering how long it takes 3rd class mail to get to its destination?  Still have not gotten mine.','',0,'','3jmc1clf',1,0,'',70,0,0),(2281,534,3,465,0,'206.217.120.16',1075320991,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','Finally!!!','Mine arrived. Just a suggestion. Do we really need to use almost 3 pages of space dedicated a simple change of address or a page and a half to pictures of old cultvator manuals? How about the 4 pages of old ads for the 2050/2150? Just because the editor has them?\r\n Talk with Pat Ertel. If your going to do a big spread on something, Think in line with Pat&#039;s article on Wendell Kelch&#039;s Mogul. THAT was a feature. \r\n  My biggest interests are the 44&#039;s and 55&#039;s. If you did a feature on either one that way I would have really been dissapointed.\r\n \r\n The best part of this issue: the 9&#039;s and the snow crawler. the new layout, the backgrounds.\r\n\r\n How about more articles on Restoration How To&#039;s or Don&#039;ts. Not all of us are sons of dealers or mechanics.','',0,'','27w7q8yp',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2283,534,3,98,0,'209.51.206.107',1075328852,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletrac1','where&#039; mine','I live just north of Columbus , Ohio . And still no magazine. Sure glade my dues are paid till May maybe I&#039;ll get it by then????????','',0,'','218qkmuh',1,0,'',98,0,0),(2285,534,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1075330545,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I haven&#039;t gotten my magazine yet either. Just wondering was the presidents detailed expanation for terminating the prior editor in it. How do you rate it?      Asking those who have received their magazine.\r\n Danny Tabor #747','',0,'','fiukmt2c',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2287,534,3,116,0,'63.173.216.117',1075336266,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','no mag.','fixed my mailbox &amp;amp; still didn&#039;t get it.\r\n maybe i should have driven the &amp;quot; 60&amp;quot; out to Ohio to pick it up, wouldn&#039;t have taken 6 days.','',0,'','225b1cj2',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2288,569,1,67,0,'64.6.2.156',1075343093,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','After you are sure the rear end is thawed out, try pulling the shift lever out by taking the 2 bolts out at the shifter base.  Sometimes as the shift linkage gets worn, the ball on the end of the shift lever will jump out of place in the 2 shifter slides that it rides in, causing it to not shift between ranges, but still shift into the gears in which ever range it is locked into.  Just make sure the notches in the shift slides are lined up evenly, and drop the shifter back in.  I have done this several times, and so far I have had good luck that this is all that was wrong.  Hope this helps, Terry.','',0,'','cz6ctu1g',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2289,534,3,65,0,'216.183.132.154',1075343119,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','ITS HERE!!!','Now I like this!!! magazine is here in canada before others!!! And could have been here yesterday but all roads closed due to snowstorm! . It just gets better,a 88 old style a week ago now the magazine before everyone else! Let it snow I don&#039;t care!:P','',0,'','38f0xsdr',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2290,534,3,345,0,'69.66.76.27',1075348036,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Harold','','There was an explanation.\r\n\r\nNo, not detailed.\r\n\r\nThere is a complete breakdown of the expenses for restoration of #3.\r\n\r\nShows some are getting bent out of shape for not much.\r\n\r\nOllie charged .50 per mile for his semi. If someone is getting upset about that, they are wasing a lot of time! The labor was per hour on top of that, but the charge for the truck is way LOW!!\r\n\r\nIf you think different, but your own truck and rent it out for that. Not a money making deal. I think Andy would even agree with that.\r\n\r\nAlso the &amp;quot;wages&amp;quot; everyone charged are really reasonable !! Can&#039;t get much skilled help at $12.00/hr. And someone only charged $25.00/hr. for machine shop services. DIRT CHEAP people.','',0,'','3w4iqglw',1,0,'',345,0,0),(2292,569,1,484,0,'68.115.175.131',1075379726,1,0,1,1,1,0,'KWF','','Terry,  I have taken the gear shifter out and there are three slides, correct.  Should the middle one have two notches front to back?  Right now it lines up across with all three notches.  I cannot get my feeble mind to understand how it should all work.  I am sure what you are talking about is all that is the matter.','',0,'','1ti2abej',1,0,'',484,0,0),(2293,572,1,180,0,'206.15.136.99',1075381328,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Massachusetts','Opinions on White 4-150','Hello;\r\n\r\nI&#039;m considering buying a White 4-150 for the upcoming season, and would appreciate hearing from some folks who&#039;ve actually run them.  Are these okay tractors?  It seems to me that they are often cheaper than other tractors of similar horsepower.\r\n\r\nIf I do go look at one, is there anything I should be especially alert for?  What is a fair price for one of these in decent condition?  Are they terribly difficult to work on?  How is a 4-150 different from a 4-175?\r\n\r\nThanks!','',0,'','16uvoayb',1,0,'',180,0,0),(2294,559,1,40,0,'152.163.253.34',1075388008,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Are you by chance talking about the &amp;quot;steerable semi-mounted&amp;quot; plows that were first made starting in the 1960s?\r\n\r\nThe tail wheel would turn as the tractor did to allow the plow to more closely follow the tractor.','',0,'','otpy3fpj',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2295,573,6,180,0,'206.15.137.165',1075397446,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Massachusetts','Trying to contact Oliver guy...','...Richard D. Harris.\r\n\r\nI believe that he is a club member, for sure he is an Oliver collector.  Last I knew he was living in the Binghampton area in New York state, but that was three or four years ago.  I haven&#039;t heard from him in a while, and would like to catch up!  If you have some info, you can e-mail me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:farmer@westmass.com\">farmer@westmass.com</a><!-- e -->.\r\n\r\nThanks!\r\n\r\nPaul Maiewski','',0,'','1ukiutt3',1,0,'',180,0,0),(2296,573,6,70,0,'67.50.29.244',1075398774,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','','Will try to find some information.  Lives near me and have bought a mower off of him.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','2jhrpxcz',1,0,'',70,0,0),(2297,534,3,70,0,'67.50.29.244',1075399413,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','magazine','Finally received the magazine.  It is very bright and colorful, but way too many ads for the new address(6 of them).  This space can be used for valuable information.  For the first magazine though it was great.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','je74swaq',1,0,'',70,0,0),(2298,85,1,109,0,'216.65.185.178',1075406814,1,0,1,1,1,0,'chparks','','I only have 1 tractor a 1947 Oiver 60 RC. I can only drive 1. I take it to shows. I am 68 years old.','',0,'','pmtmlk0h',1,0,'',109,0,0),(2299,559,1,26,0,'216.176.89.147',1075411914,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','steering plow','The plow the fellow was referring to was the 4440 plow.  The hitch is hooked to the furrow wheel and that wheel will steer as the tractor turns so you can make shorter turns.  The tail wheel turns too, but the steering furrow wheel makes it a steering plow.  It was made in the 50s and 60s and has a pipe frame.','',0,'','3ck84f5q',1,0,'',26,0,0),(2300,574,1,485,0,'64.255.104.198',1075413070,1,0,1,1,1,0,'hoosieroliver','Oliver potato digger','What is the color and scheme for a 1937 Oliver potato digger.  Where could I find a picture of one?  It was bought new by my wife&#039;s great-grandpa, and his two brothers.  My father-in law has it. \r\nthanks','',0,'','2m6413us',1,0,'',485,0,0),(2301,575,1,485,0,'64.255.104.198',1075413237,1,0,1,1,1,0,'hoosieroliver','60 exhaust','I have the correct muffler for a Oliver 60, what was the correct lenght and shape of the exhaust pipe?','',0,'','3cy4tf0a',1,0,'',485,0,0),(2302,576,1,485,0,'64.255.104.198',1075413552,1,0,1,1,1,0,'hoosieroliver','60 paint scheme','Where can I find details of the correct paint scheme for a 1941 Oliver 60.  Correct details (measurements) for the red banner below grill, on the frame?  What about placement of decals?','',0,'','2pkuuzh9',1,0,'',485,0,0),(2303,575,1,65,0,'216.183.132.155',1075419850,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','exaust pipe','from the parts book : 28 inchs long straight pipe','',0,'','3a0ace5i',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2304,534,3,116,0,'63.173.216.243',1075420146,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','','1/29/04 still not here in  western PA:mad:','',0,'','2lvj3plg',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2305,569,1,67,0,'64.6.2.111',1075420662,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','If the notches all line up, it should be in neutral.  To go through from high range to low range, the slides all move together.  The outside slides move to shift gears, and the center slide shifts the whole mechanism between ranges.  Hope this helps, Terry.','',0,'','1waxnpr2',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2306,569,1,16,0,'199.120.77.144',1075423388,1,0,1,1,1,0,'GLS','88 gears','There is a block on the front of the trans. case which all the shift forks pass through and each has a ball and spring in this block for the detents. The hole get elongated and the ball binds and won&#039;t depress to let the shift rail slide through. Sometimes  when they get like this you can bump the shifter hard enough to go through. This may not be the problem but I&#039;ve had several do this','',0,'','3cvum3lk',1,0,'',16,0,0),(2307,572,1,297,0,'68.250.2.130',1075426033,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','','4-150 can be a good machine as long as all updates have been made to it. It was a real step forward when it came out as the first &amp;quot;row crop&amp;quot;able articulated tractor. The main updates were to the quill shaft support (the shaft between the clutch and the over/under), and the hinge area (pivot ball, and steering &amp;quot;w&amp;quot; mamber). If there are no front mounted attachments get a large friend and have him push up and down on the very front of the nose while you watch the center pivot for movement. The updated ball was in the lower casting and was held in by 4 bolts as I recall. If your local AGCO/White dealer was around then he should still have all the bulletins you can check them out, and he may have even performed the updates on the machine you&#039;re looking at. The two bigest differences between the 4-150, and 4-175 are an improved center hinge (even beefier than the updated 4-150), and they went to the big over under like in later 2-135/155 (six qt. oil capacity), the 1-150&#039;s was internally the same as the earlier/smaller ones(4 qt. oil capacity) which is really over its head trying to handle HP and &amp;quot;snappyness&amp;quot; of the CAT. There are some who detract the 3208, but the one in my 4-175 has given me no trouble, and we sold many 2255,4-150,4-180,4-210 with them in, and if the owner did his part they held up well. The &amp;quot;throw away&amp;quot; that people talk about stems from it being designed to be removed and replaced with a re-man rather than being overhauld by the average shop., There are other differences as well, but this should get you started. Just try and find out the history on the one you&#039;re looking at.','',0,'','f6g668f9',1,0,'',297,0,0),(2308,534,3,297,0,'68.250.2.130',1075427399,1,0,1,1,1,0,'IanC','','I agree that if you&#039;re making it the 15th of the month, make it the 15th BEFORE the issue month. I&#039;m still a working stiff, and have to arrange days off well in advance. I HATE getting my issue and haveing just a few days before an advertised auction. And I&#039;m sure Kurt Auman, and the other advertisers aren&#039;t pleased that their target audience isn&#039;t being reached by their PAID advertising on a timely basis.','',0,'','vfg959da',1,0,'',297,0,0),(2309,534,3,124,0,'12.150.142.37',1075431321,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oliver88','Magazine','No magazine here in North Carolina as of 1-29-04.\r\nGreg Davis\n\n[Edited on 1-30-2004 by Oliver88]','',0,'','heg04km6',1,0,'',124,0,0),(2310,533,3,124,0,'12.150.142.37',1075431969,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oliver88','','No magazine in North Carolina as of 1-29-04.\r\nGreg Davis','',0,'','7hyzk6gu',1,0,'',124,0,0),(2313,534,3,47,0,'67.241.135.41',1075438545,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','No Harold,\r\nI doubt that I would agree, after looking at things like driver pay, fuel, trailer rental, tarp, tolls, motels, meals, etc.,etc., which are not supposed to be included. Pay closer attention to the real costs, then check the costs on the current transportation market.','',0,'','3pahqgan',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2315,534,3,18,0,'24.83.181.225',1075440811,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Super 55','Magzine','Got mine on the 28th in British Columbia. Haven&#039;t had time to read it yet, but the layouts look great. Not much up on the Poly-Ticks, and don&#039;t know who is right and who is wrong, but I&#039;m going to get ready for bed and read my magazine.','',0,'','3nwlf8t3',1,0,'',18,0,0),(2316,534,3,47,0,'65.238.36.189',1075470413,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Mine was at the post office this morning, don&#039;t know what day is came, sometime since last Saturday. Coming from Greenfield, OH, I guess it would be here pretty quick, as that is only about 100 miles away. Just looking thru, I like the layout, and graphics. I can see what others are talking about as far as text. Need to work on getting more text, and text supported by graphics, as a matter of fact, I have gotten a couple of phone calls suggesting more text, but that is not unusual. I would like to see some regional articles in the future, what are members doing in Nebraska, New York, Arkansas, Wisconsin, etc. Taking into account the short timeframe to get this edition out, it should be better in the future, I am satisfied. I would be interested to know the cost compared to previous editions, guess that will come later, which is OK.','',0,'','2wnb2r0r',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2320,534,3,122,0,'65.117.137.161',1075477631,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','','The Feb/Mar issue has not arrived here in east central Ohio as of 1/29.I guess I can blame the Step and Fetchits of the USPS in one of our major cities for the delay.\n\n[Edited on 1-30-2004 by Rockin-B]','',0,'','28t4k7oq',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2321,534,3,466,0,'65.17.143.19',1075484545,1,0,1,1,1,1,'660WF','magazine','My magazine came yesterday. Well worth the wait.  In the words of &amp;quot;Tony the tiger&amp;quot; it is &amp;quot;GRRRREAT.&amp;quot;  Like the new layout &amp;amp; format. Especially liked the &amp;quot;Snow Crawler&amp;quot; article.  All you menbers who are complianing about the content, sit down &amp;amp; write sonething up for the magazine, send it in, then there will be more content.  This magazine is for you--you make it good not the new editors.  If you don&#039;t contribute, don&#039;t complian. You want articles on restortation &amp;amp;  wrenching--DO ONE.  I think they did a very good job on the short time they had to put magazine together. With some help form the menbership, the magazine will be big next issue.\r\n  I am Sonny Meloy #4180','',0,'','tys6v8jh',1,0,'',466,0,0),(2322,569,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1075487796,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Be sure to let us know what the problem was. You know what they say curiosity did to the cat. \r\n   Danny','',0,'','1kqgzc9b',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2323,534,3,88,0,'65.58.148.226',1075490647,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Well, got mine today (in Western Pa) and I&#039;m not impressed. What happened to the page Landis Zimmerman always wrote? And where is the full explanation we were promised about the firing of the former editor. All I see is the same political explanation that was offered on this website. With all the color pictures, what&#039;s this new magazine format costing the organization anyway? I haven&#039;t heard any mention of that yet. I guess they will probably tell us it&#039;s costing the same.....OR will that be the reason for an increase in membership dues? Just wondering.....','',0,'','36w0kuei',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2324,569,1,484,0,'68.115.175.131',1075491568,1,0,1,1,1,0,'KWF','','Be happy to let you know, just hadnt had a chance to look at it again.  I do know all things line up.  Its like its just frozen or rusted and will not slide.','',0,'','3c5b0vkx',1,0,'',484,0,0),(2326,534,3,70,0,'67.50.29.208',1075494970,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','magazine','I would have to agree that there was no explanation of why the editor was fired and this should have been one of the things in the new magazine.  Especially for people who do not visit this site or cannot because they have absolutely no clue what is going on.  Also, an article on the different chapters would sound great because I do not know much about what is going on in the Empire State chapter.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','1gjlxhkl',1,0,'',70,0,0),(2327,534,3,12,0,'69.21.142.23',1075499867,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Still not here!','I hadn&#039;t posted yet because I wanted to give adequate time for my magazine to get here, but it has yet to show up! Today is Jan. 30 and if it doesn&#039;t show tommorrow that will make it a whole month late! I wouldn&#039;t mind if it did arrive on the 15th. But as others have said it should be the 15th before to allow time for advance notice of auctions, etc. Trying not to complain, just saying I havn&#039;t got mine yet. John Hume #3527 West Central IN.','',0,'','3vklo4kg',1,0,'',12,0,0),(2328,534,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1075500247,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Haven&#039;t gotten mine yet either. Maybe I&#039;ll pick one up at the winter-get-together. \r\nDanny tabor #747','',0,'','3ozxdl05',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2329,534,3,40,0,'152.163.252.199',1075506681,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','No magazine in Western Illinois as of the 30th.\r\n\r\nWas wondering, if it does not come before Ground Hog day and he sees his shadow does that mean it will be 6 more weeks before the magazine is delivered?:P','',0,'','2ay6kp32',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2330,534,3,67,0,'64.6.2.39',1075510175,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Most of the people here in central Il and eastern Ia that I have talked to received their magazines on Thursday, 1/29, including me.  As for the cost of the magazine, current contract costs are approx. $5,000 less per year than they were before.  We should have our new mailing permit approved before the next issue is mailed, as it was applied for in November.  This should help some with the delivery time.  The magazine was put on a truck and hauled directly to the Cincinnati postal hub, bypassing the Greenfield, OH post office, to avoid any delays there.  This practice will continue in the future as well.  It is also in the planning to have the magazine mailed sealed in a bag, rather than a protective sleeve.  This should help with the condition of the magazine upon arrival.  Terry.','',0,'','3bxjo8n3',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2331,577,1,410,0,'67.27.138.222',1075510734,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ng','OLIVER 440, SUPER 44 OR 40','Looking for a good running or restored Oliver 440, super 44 or 44.\n\n[Edited on 1-31-2004 by ng]','',0,'','63p9imn3',1,0,'',410,0,0),(2332,534,3,116,0,'63.173.216.232',1075512139,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','','The Pony Express dropped mine off today, that horse sure looked tired.\r\n   I&#039;m not pleased that the editor decided not to print a couple of letters. Unless the author asked that it not be printed they should have been included. All letters, as long as they are signed should be included no matter what point of veiw they represent.','',0,'','1k94djfu',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2336,534,3,123,0,'205.188.209.14',1075518097,1,0,1,1,1,0,'adsces','magazine','1-30-04   No magazine 300 miles north of Cincinatti, in Central Michigan yet.','',0,'','3a4imu7p',1,0,'',123,0,0),(2338,534,3,88,0,'67.74.247.22',1075518633,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','My guess is there were more than a couple of letters not printed. If you look at the previous magazines, there were always a lot more letters to the editor than this edition. \r\nI guess anyone who had an opinion about the current situation meant that their letter would not be printed. Ahhhhh, don&#039;t you love politics?????','',0,'','2wjac9sd',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2339,534,3,88,0,'67.74.247.22',1075518863,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I raised the question earlier,,,,,and will do it again here. What happened to the regular page written by Landis Zimmerman? Would Terry care to elaborate on that question? I know in the magazine it stated he chose not to write in this edition, but why? He has always written in every recent magazine that I have looked at.','',0,'','1zwvtgrz',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2340,564,3,88,0,'67.74.247.22',1075519100,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Unfortunately, I think a poll such as this doesn&#039;t tell us much. If you consider this organization has 6000+ members, it appears only a very small percentage are active on this site. It really can&#039;t tell us much unless a large percentage of members participate.','',0,'','1kzh7nzj',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2343,534,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.144',1075527017,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','I just talked to Landis just a couple of days ago, to see if he was going to send in an article for the Mar/April issue. He told me that he is not going to write the &amp;quot;From the Desk&#039;s Chair&amp;quot; anymore. As to why, you&#039;d have to ask Landis, because he didn&#039;t tell me.\r\n\r\nAs to letters to the editor, the only ones we got were the ones that were passed to us by Sherry, plus one from Andy Blackwood and one from John Tichenor. The board asked us to print Andy&#039;s letter, and was not aware of John&#039;s letter. Of course, John&#039;s letter made no sense without Andy&#039;s letter, but  I didn&#039;t see the point in a drawn out battle in the letters page. Trust me, our job would have been much easier to just cut and paste a couple of letters in that would have ended up taking up around 4 pages worth of magazine. Please show me a magazine that prints EVERY letter it gets, and one that would let a letter battle go beyond one issue. The topic had been addressed in the Nov/Dec issue, everybody is now aware of that topic, so it&#039;s time for the magazine to move forward.\r\nThere is one other letter to the editor that Sherry sent that I didn&#039;t reply to, because the writer wanted to know what model of plow he had, and the picture was so close to the plow, it was impossible to say for sure which one it was. \r\n\r\nSo far for the March April issue, we have only 2 letters to the editor, and they are both letters and pictures of tractors - the normal stuff. You&#039;ve got to remember, 90% or so of the membership didn&#039;t even know of the change until this week. So they are still sending the letters and classifieds to Sherry. Sherry has been passing them on to us, but it just makes extra work for her, and slows down the time it takes for them to get to us.\r\nSo here&#039;s your chance, send us your emails or letters, and sign a name and membership number to them, and we&#039;ll print them. Obviously, we&#039;re not going to fill a whole issue with nothing but letters, but we&#039;ll do our best put in a fair representation of what we get. They may need to be edited for length or language, but that&#039;s what editors do.','',0,'','2zinryi9',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2344,577,1,40,0,'205.188.209.42',1075551882,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','The last time I looked there was one in the photo ads on &amp;quot;yesterdaytractors.com&amp;quot;','',0,'','3l668msy',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2345,534,3,47,0,'65.238.36.71',1075555717,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Chris,\r\nThe magazine is coming along well, you will have seen my other posts. This may help you address improvements. As to my letter that wasn&#039;t published, I have no problem. At the time, the board had just read John&#039;s which was published, and had just prior to that seen the version which John had sent to Chapter Presidents, but not board members. The board&#039;s feelings were the members needed an opposing viewpoint from John&#039;s. As a Chapter President I had received John&#039;s letter, and sent him a letter rebutting every issue he brought forward, sent a copy of this letter to John and every board member. Nobody could say I went behind their back. If members want to figure out what was in that letter all they have to do is look at John&#039;s and find something that opposes each and every issue he brings forward, that is basically what it does. It is probably a good thing it wasn&#039;t published, even though the board asked my permission to do so, and of course I granted that permission. But, Bob Tallman always said the best way to get ashes is to throw gasoline on the fire, there is alot of truth to that. I hope you checked with the board before making that decision, just to cover your backside.\r\nBe careful with the editing situation, there is a fine line between editing and censorship, that line shouldn&#039;t be crossed. I wouldn&#039;t agree with reducing the size of a members letter. If they took the time to write it, and it is selected to be published, it should be published as written, with exception of spelling, no change should be made, and sometimes there is purpose for misspelling.','',0,'','15dnuszz',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2346,573,6,47,0,'65.238.36.71',1075557106,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Try Ph# 607-467-4262','',0,'','15s5gf37',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2347,58,1,490,0,'65.231.179.178',1075564876,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39&41-70rc','this is how i got  hooked','i read your post about how people get hooked.  i got hooked about one mounth ago when i newly discoverd my grampas old oliver 70 row crops.  there are two of them, one is a 1939 (my favorite) and a 1944 which the engine is looked up on from sitting.  he bought them in the 1970s sometime just to play around with.  when the tires rotted out on them he decided to parked them were they have all ways sat.  im only 16 but would love to get one or both of them running they are complete but some little things are  missing like there is no alternater on the 39 and the shifter is broke but i could just get some parts thats not hard(i wish tires werent so much money though)  then two years ago my grampa passed away so i dont know much about the tractors the internet is wounderfull in finding information about the row crops.','',0,'','2b8cyg1n',1,0,'',490,0,0),(2350,58,1,407,0,'208.31.40.218',1075568954,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','Hooked','In order to tell you guys how I got hooked on old tractors I have to go back to my grandfather. He was a farm boy here in New york, born in 1919. He grew up around an IHC 8-16 kerosene and a Case 15-27. His grandpa had the 8-16 which his uncle traded in 1927 or 8 for a farmall regular. My grandpa ran the regular until 1939 when he went into the army. When WWII broke out my grandpa transferred to the air force where he was put on a B-17 and stationed in Algers North Africa. He was a certified technition and top turret gunner, got distinguished flying cross and other medals for his quick thinking and actions there. Got to shoot down ME109s, he said he always felt bad for shooting them because they were such a beautiful plane! He was also impressed with the technological advances he was seeing during the war. When he got back in 45, he got back into farming, bought a used Allis WC, Farmall reg, and an Oliver 70 standard (which got scraped when it dropped a valve). He was looking to buy a new tractor, and saw John Deere had made no changes since he left nor did Farmall really. He had his eyes set on the Massey Harris tractors and the Olivers. He bought a Massey 20 which he traded up for a new 66 oliver in 1951. In 1953 he ordered a new 88 diesel, the first sold in our county, all his friends and nieghbors thought he was crazy to be buying a diesel. He said he knew it was only a matter of time and they would be the leading fuel in equiptment- (the Germans he saw had such nice engines).He did however, refuse to buy hydrolics because he could buy a bunch of implements for the same price. He got with the 88, a 3-16in mechanical plow, disc, and harrow as well as a sickle bar mower. Then my father came into the picture, and when he was 11 or 12 started going to the pageant of steam in canandaigua about 1966 with some buddies from school. His one freind had a oliver 80 (he paid $10 for)standard and a mccormick 10-20, another friend a wallis 12-20 and a farmall regular, and his other friend a 1930 Oliver Hart Parr 18-27(which accidentally got scraped in the late 70&#039;s). So in the winter of 67-68 my father bought a 1930 John Deere GP for $50. It needed paint and the points cleaned on the mag. We still have it, been running great all this time, strange for a 2 cylinder. My grandpa towed him home in the snow with the 88. In 1973 my dad graduated and my grandpa bought his last new Oliver, a 1755 diesel. My uncle bought a new White 2-155 and that was the last new tractor our family has bought. My dad started collecting tractors in 1984-85. I was born in 82 so I was pretty young when the Oliver hart Parr 70 and 18-28 arrived and a 1800 series B. My dad kept the 88 too, the 66 unfortunatly got traded in on a White lawn mower. (I had a $100 reward out for it&#039;s whereabouts but no takers.)So as far back as I remember there where a few olivers and the GP JD around. I stay with the older steel wheel tractors because they where the most fun to climb on when I was little and they look neat. I like hand cranks and steel wheels, no dead batteries- no flat tires;) We now own 30 tractors or better on the same farm the 88 has been on since 1956 and now the John Deere GP has lived half of its years with my dad on this farm.','',0,'','2ug3frgn',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2351,58,1,39,0,'208.210.151.218',1075572687,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mel Larson','Hooked on Olivers','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->We started out with WC Allis-Chalmers. In 1951 my dad bought an Oliver 77 RC. I thought I went to heaven.\r\nUntil 1949 there were no Olivers in our area.When the Fleetlines came out, I think Olivers were about 10 to 1. I bought my dads Oliver in 1976 when he retired and used it till 1987 when I quit farming and sold it. Big mistake! Bought another 77 RC in 2001, love them Olivers','',0,'','2fyxrfv0',1,0,'',39,0,0),(2352,534,3,15,0,'199.174.147.8',1075576730,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Gaston Tew','Magazine','No magazine in Alabama as of 1-31-04.  If you see it in Alaska, Arizona or Arkansas please send it this way.','',0,'','3pplvl2e',1,0,'',15,0,0),(2353,573,6,180,0,'206.15.136.23',1075577518,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Massachusetts','','Andy,\r\n\r\nI tried calling 607-467-4262.  Apparently that number is no longer in service.  Thanks, anyway,\r\n\r\nPaul','',0,'','nwnr34ip',1,0,'',180,0,0),(2354,578,1,381,0,'206.176.206.18',1075583771,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nailcreek','Oliver colors ...','Could someone give me pointers as to which colors (paint manf &amp;amp; #) to use for an 1946 Oliver HG and a 1964 Oliver 550?\r\n\r\nThanks!','',0,'','1npob9e3',1,0,'',381,0,0),(2356,534,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1075590163,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Came home from the MDOCCA meeting. Found the new magazine in the mail box. Haven&#039;t had time to digest it yet.\r\n Danny Tabor #747','',0,'','1k9wz0ue',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2360,534,3,426,0,'65.183.162.25',1075597001,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john holcomb','What Magizine?','It&#039;s still not here on 1-31, I think if you look back, not getting the newsletter/magizine in a timely fashion was the first run in Sherry had with the powers to be. A number of years ago!  Good Luck Chris its a fickle master you serve. John','',0,'','20zkxagp',1,0,'',426,0,0),(2362,58,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1075599150,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I guess I was a teenager when I got hooked. 16 I think. My older brother Eddie and I was heading into Pa to look at a pic-up. I had a pocket full of money. Ready to buy. Along the way I saw an Oliver 60, full set of cultivators on it.  &amp;quot;Hey stop a minute. Lets look at this tractor&amp;quot; I hollered. We looked at it. Went up looked at the pic-up. &amp;quot;The pic-ups alright&amp;quot; I told my brother  \r\n&amp;quot;I&#039;d rather have the tractor&amp;quot; Went back bought the tractor. Drove it home that day. Joined HPOCA soon after. Been addicted ever since.\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','3ran2y9x',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2364,573,6,47,0,'65.238.36.95',1075600793,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','There is an address in the directory, if you can&#039;t find him let me know, I need to go to work early this week, right now as a matter of fact. If you haven&#039;t gotten in touch, let me know, I&#039;ll look it up when I get back next weekend. You might find him in the Anywho directory on the net.','',0,'','2lkonzqe',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2365,581,1,491,0,'12.32.34.11',1075601642,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Kelly MT','1850 clutch torque specs','My service manual doesn&#039;t seam to have the torque specs for my 1850 pressure plate bolts. Anyone have them? Thanks PK.','',0,'','1fubvdss',1,0,'',491,0,0),(2366,582,1,420,0,'66.201.20.254',1075602462,1,0,1,1,1,0,'A4T-2655 Oliver','Oliver 990 on Steel','','',0,'0','3mvik78r',1,0,'',420,0,0),(2367,583,1,420,0,'66.201.20.254',1075603118,1,0,1,1,1,0,'A4T-2655 Oliver','Oliver 990 on Steel !!','Just received pictures of a 990 Detroit on steel ! A friend of mine located the tractor and took the pictures. It is a rice tractor that has rear factory steel! The front end is on rubber. But, is a Case axle? Claimed the Case axle was a lot stronger, so the oliver axle was changed out? Tractor is in good condition for the age! Will go look at it in a few weeks. Engine is free! Who has seen a 990 on steel?','',0,'','vo0b7cco',1,0,'',420,0,0),(2368,582,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1075603241,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Amish steel? Had an 880 on amish steel once. The wheels were a little hard on the rear.\r\nDanny','',0,'','18rpagv8',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2369,581,1,96,0,'216.201.29.132',1075606154,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Clutch bolts','I do not think they ever were published. They are a clutch bolt because of the shoulder and the key thing is draw them up  all a little at a time so the pressure plate draws up evenly. I would use the torque spec for a standard grade 5 course threaded bolt.','',0,'','7d1wej2r',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2371,584,3,415,0,'24.154.88.208',1075607971,1,0,1,1,1,0,'heritage-green','2004 HPOCA Winter Get-together','','',0,'0','1f7ihl34',1,0,'',415,0,0),(2372,584,3,415,0,'24.154.88.208',1075608550,1,0,1,1,1,0,'heritage-green','HPOCA Winter Get-together','Re: HPOCA Banquet reservations.\r\nBecause the the current issue of the HPOCA Magazine was so late getting into the hands of the members (and some still have not received theirs) the host chapter, the Mason Dixon Oliver Cletrac Collectors Association, has decided to waive the $5.00 late fee for banquet reservations mailed after February 5th.  Please do get them in as quickly as possible.\r\nBetty Moore, Secretary MDOCCA','',0,'','1d55tx8x',1,0,'',415,0,0),(2373,534,3,124,0,'12.150.142.220',1075610505,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oliver88','','Finally got mine in North Carolina.  In the process of looking through it.\r\nGreg Davis','',0,'','1033m0c8',1,0,'',124,0,0),(2374,585,1,56,0,'216.138.55.108',1075612176,1,0,1,1,1,1,'oliver farmer','lookie what i got','wish i had a picture, but it&#039;s too cold for my wife to come out and play.  i found and purchased an oliver model 18 pull type combine today and boy am i one happy oliver camper. the machine looks great and i just wanted to share a little joy with the rest of you. if you want to see it come to the Hartland chapter&#039;s summer show in Pickneyville Illinois the third weekend in august.','',0,'','2o0105pe',1,0,'',56,0,0),(2375,534,3,163,0,'216.51.171.179',1075617119,1,0,1,1,1,0,'uncledu','','When I fianly get my magizine it should seem like a weekly periodical if the next one is on time.','',0,'','15ux2tmh',1,0,'',163,0,0),(2376,58,1,254,0,'199.224.87.52',1075649298,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','How did you get hooked?','Well i was raised on a dariy farm my grand father had a bit of every make of equitment but no olivers He has sence passed away and now we raise dariy heffers and sell some hay I got my first oliver this past summer it is a 1953 88RC diesel when i got it it needed a injectiom pump so i put one on it and i did most of the haying with it I have a jong way to go on restoring it but i have started with the mechanical stuf first I am puting a clutch in it now .And in the spring It is going to ny to plow with my cusin&#039;s oliver 4340 plows so i am going to show them farmall boys how to plow .Now that i have a oliver tractor i dont like to use anything but it works better than any thing i ever worked on our farm it has out worked our 656 IH on the round baler and on the haybine .I took it to the local tractor pull and did ok for my first time pulling and i am going to do better this year .It pulled a 65,000 sled 124 ft 6 inch not bad for a tired old tractor . Now i am hooked on olivers i look in all the papers i can to find more but they are sometimes hard to find in north east pa but they are around .the next oluver i whant is a s99gm or a 990 or 995.I like the sound of a good GM diesel or any diesel for that .That is what i do now i am a diesl mechanic but i miss the farm .\r\nGreg\r\nGreg','',0,'','5cigpcrs',1,0,'',254,0,0),(2377,569,1,484,0,'64.12.96.166',1075651592,1,0,1,1,1,0,'KWF','','OK guys.  Went to the 88 and it slid right down to the bottom neutral.  Now it will not slide into any gear.  The tractor is not running.  You think it is still just cold and frozen?  Thanks for any help.','',0,'','shp4wwhl',1,0,'',484,0,0),(2378,534,3,98,0,'209.51.206.47',1075654458,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletrac1','got mine','I just recived mine 1/30/04 and I&#039;m not impressed. I did see seven ads for change of address for the club. Sure wish they could of used the space to explain what happened ? If everyone who gets the magazine is a member ,then we all have the right to know .But after my dues run out for #689 will be less member . Let me know if you just want to sell a magazine for less than $5.00 a issue on time.<!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->','',0,'','1khxaavv',1,0,'',98,0,0),(2379,534,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1075654957,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I agree just not real impressed. Lost the personality it had before. Maybe it will get better. Keep working at her Chris.\r\nDanny tabor #747','',0,'','31hr5wi2',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2381,569,1,12,0,'69.21.142.23',1075671977,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','','Now that you are in low neutral will the lever move right and left? Will it move back to high neutral? The two outside shift rails are your 3,4,6,HR and 1,2,5, LR. The center rail shifts between high and low range, and has a square notch for the shifter and two smaller notches on either side of the large one. The small notches are for the inter-lock that keeps from getting into two gears at once. It&#039;s possible to get the shifter into these notches instead of the one in the middle. When you put the shifter back in you should be able to move the shifter right and left. The detent balls that have been mentioned keep the outside rails in place and don&#039;t effect the center rail. The inter-lock keeps the center rail in place while in gear. I know it sounds complicated but once you see how it should be, it&#039;s not. Keep at it and you&#039;ll get it! WB.','',0,'','2k50ozz4',1,0,'',12,0,0),(2382,534,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.176',1075677971,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','Danny,\r\n\r\nThanks. We knew when we got this job that it would be a hard one to fill. Sherry has a huge following, I have told her this in the past. We almost turned down the chance, because we knew there would be a LOT of backlash. But after thinking it over, if they were going to fire her, someone with some Oliver background might as well be in the editor&#039;s seat. I could fill pages full of names of people that are more knowledgable about Oliver than I am. Fortunately, I know them, and can pick their brains when I don&#039;t have the answer. There were a few things in this issue that didn&#039;t turn out quite like I had imagined they would, but we are learning.....\r\n\r\n\r\nJohn Holcomb,\r\nWe haven&#039;t gotten our issue yet either. I yell at Becky and she yells at me. (it must be the editor&#039;s fault!! <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) --> ). We did get a call from a member in Washington State that got his on Friday, so you never know with the USPS.','',0,'','oojw9mp3',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2385,534,3,35,0,'67.34.172.72',1075681728,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','magazine','Feb. 1st in TN and haven&#039;t received my magazine yet! <!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->:mad:','',0,'','24q6ukdp',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2389,578,1,35,0,'67.34.172.72',1075693411,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','paint','The HG paint is a green and Martin Senour can furnish it (MS 99L-8746). There is yellow striping around the hood which is MS 90T-3753.\r\nThe 550 is Meadow Green (MS 99L-3751) or Dupont 5316. The wheels are Clover White  which can be purchased at an Agco dealer or Van Sickle Paint Co. at <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.vansicklepaint.com:D\">www.vansicklepaint.com:D</a><!-- w -->','',0,'','10zswx3g',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2390,534,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1075700685,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Magazine Personality','I need to agree with my brother, Danny.  It has lost &amp;quot;something&amp;quot; in the transformation.  However, I&#039;m sure it can/will improve over time.\r\nI would like to see more technical articles, like &amp;quot;rebuilding hints,&amp;quot;  gas vs diesel rebuilding, transmission rebuilding (I pretty much have the engine mastered, the tranny still scares me) as well as sheetmetal working and welding pointers and painting &amp;quot;primers.&amp;quot;  Also, the historical stories are great,  how about some reruns of &amp;quot;Bob&#039;s Tales,&amp;quot; or other dealer or service stories.  (I subscribe to the TDR, a magazine with a bend toward the Dodge Pickups with the Cummins Diesel engine.  They have a writer that works for a dealership, some of his stories are quite educational, and comical).  We have the resourses.  We just need to use them.  Some magazines suggest submitting articles &amp;quot;in Word format, ASCII, typewritten, or scribbled on the back of a restaurant napkin.&amp;quot;  I&#039;ll bet we have a bunch of &amp;quot;napkin writers.&amp;quot;  Let&#039;s see you do your thing\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','3insfyml',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2391,578,1,96,0,'216.201.29.113',1075748234,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','HG Colors','Frank:  1946 is the last of the yellow HG models.','',0,'','2l32n2fk',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2392,578,1,35,0,'67.34.172.72',1075772508,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','HG','John\r\n\r\nI bow to your expertise however I was under the impression that Oliver went with the green in 1946 after they had sold the last of the orange Cletracs after the acquisition in 1944. The orange color would be MS99L-1952 orange or Dupont Dulux 017H orange.<!-- s;) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\";)\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s;) -->','',0,'','3a8g9omf',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2393,534,3,360,0,'198.77.42.216',1075773777,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Glad to see that the Allen led board has now alienated another great member in Landis Zimmerman. I hope that you are happy with what you have done to the club with jealosy and ego. I loved the explination to the membership that you promised and did not deliver Mr Allen. You fired an editor for what you said is  not getting the job done and now you have not gotten the job done are you going to fire yourself. You would not face Sherry face to face and tell her that she was fired  and now you have failed to tell us members face to face in the one way that you could get every memember in the magazine what is going on but I am sure that the clique knows what is going on. Glad that there is a big  oliver auction to go to on the day of the winter meeting so that I can go and do something that I enjoy (watching and if I am lucky buy and Oliver at auction) instead of being like an outsider at this meeting because I do not belong to the clique. Hope that this was not considered personal and gets deleted, I am just frustrated at how this club is being destroyed.','',0,'','30oju2b9',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2395,584,3,360,0,'198.77.42.216',1075774695,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','I will be at the Oliver auction on the other side of the state. It will be a better time there I am sure with out the clique.','',0,'','49tg5uzi',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2398,578,1,381,0,'206.176.206.22',1075783892,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nailcreek','','Well, according to the serial number, it&#039;s a 1946, and I can guarantee that it&#039;s green.','',0,'','ijgu60dc',1,0,'',381,0,0),(2399,578,1,96,0,'216.201.29.103',1075810925,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','HG colors','A man in New England e-mailed me a couple of weekago with 46 and he said it was green but, when they cleaned it there was orange paint underneath the green. A few years ago a jocky near here had a 46 HGand it was not green, it was still orange. Also time fades paint, but does anybody know why the little generals are a lighter shade of orange then the larger crawlers?','',0,'','3i3kz6ng',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2400,573,6,180,0,'206.15.136.131',1075816496,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Massachusetts','','Are you referring to the member directory?\r\n\r\nI&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t have one of those.','',0,'','3oln5a7l',1,0,'',180,0,0),(2401,58,1,489,0,'10.175.100.29',1075822629,1,0,1,1,1,0,'77 farmer','how I got started','I got started in about 1977 when dad and I went over to grandpa&#039;s to help clean up from a storm that took down his old machine shed. We lifted the roof with his loader and pulled out all the machinery. The plan was to burn what was left and the left over contents of the shed, which was a 50&#039; Oliver 77 that grandpa bought new. He said the old girl had seen better days and hadn&#039;t run for years. Well dad was not going to let this happen and insisted on getting the 77 out from under that roof. It was tuff but we got it out and after a little new gas and a set of new plugs, we had it running and kind of forgot about the shed. Since then that 77 has been repainted twice and is still used(not much) on the farm. I&#039;ve been collecting implements since 1985 and in 1999 I inharited that 77 and have been collecting ever since. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','2ypycu2w',1,0,'',489,0,0),(2402,85,1,489,0,'10.175.100.29',1075823738,1,0,1,1,1,0,'77 farmer','what is in the shed','I only have an Oliver 77 (1950)\r\nOliver 88 (1952) \r\nMachinery though, is another story:\r\nmodel 18 combine\r\n33 combine\r\n#5 picker\r\n#74 picker\r\ncouple sickle mowers\r\n3 different grain drills\r\nred river special thrasher\r\nwalking cultivator\r\nmany walking plows\r\nhorse drawn planter\r\nmany wagon jacks\r\nwood and metal flare boxes\r\nrunning gears\r\nhad a 535 combine\r\nThey are all Oliver and I still play with them all. \r\nLooking for a cotton picker or items not from my area (central IL) <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','2vihluri',1,0,'',489,0,0),(2404,582,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1075828264,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Hey A4T!  Do you have a pic?','',0,'','1cok8r9v',1,0,'',105,0,0),(2405,586,3,487,0,'141.151.141.165',1075835730,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Irvin L. Albright','Leadership','I think it is time to get this ordeal corrected. Maybe we should have complete new leaders and try to retain our members so we can go forward again with a great club. This new leadership has just about killed a great club. Irvin Albright # 9423','',0,'','1d5sqfwe',1,0,'',487,0,0),(2406,587,3,487,0,'141.151.141.165',1075836705,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Irvin L. Albright','MAGAZINE','I finally got my copy, IT WASN&#039;T WORTH THE WAIT! Sure is something how a great book could get so bad in one issue.\r\nIrvin Albright #9423  <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->\n\n[Edited on 2-3-2004 by Irvin L. Albright]','',0,'','172xt7fz',1,0,'',487,0,0),(2407,587,3,88,0,'67.74.242.175',1075837572,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I agree. You can&#039;t replace what the magazine lost with some color pictures. It has lost the personal touch that made it what it was.','',0,'','2gts65z5',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2409,588,1,469,0,'152.163.253.34',1075840641,1,0,1,1,1,0,'lee','distributor for a 1550 oliver','what distributor will replace the holly model with the vacume advance. I have heard that they are no longer availible. the tractor now has a mallory dist. in it and it about shot. my thanks for any help you can give me. Lee','',0,'','1j6j8l61',1,0,'',469,0,0),(2410,587,3,123,0,'68.72.155.174',1075846145,1,0,1,1,1,0,'adsces','','Well at least you got yours. Nearly 2 weeks and I still dont have mine.I can only imagine the auctions and adds I have missed because its SO late. I bet advertisers will be happy about this. Any comment Terry?','',0,'','1ry656ln',1,0,'',123,0,0),(2411,588,1,122,0,'65.117.137.160',1075846447,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','','Another Mallory. Why can&#039;t you rebuild the Mallory you have. What exactly do you mean by shot? A new Mallory is about 250.00.','',0,'','h2l0l70h',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2413,589,1,144,0,'169.207.130.9',1075848384,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','770 rear mounted pto belt pulley','Would a rear mounted pto driven belt pulley from a 1600 or 1650 fit on a 770, I &#039;m looking for one for a 770','',0,'','2epamkic',1,0,'',144,0,0),(2414,466,2,144,0,'169.207.130.9',1075848447,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','hart parr 16-30','Tractor is sold!!!','',0,'','2wv7aj6r',1,0,'',144,0,0),(2415,589,1,96,0,'216.201.29.144',1075849694,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Rear mounted pulley','The pulley for a 1600 would since the PTO gear case are for practical purposes the same. I guess I would need to look at a 1650 PTO housing again. The last pulley I looked at say 5 years ago and do not remember for sure. In 16 years of working for dealer I can only remember us selling one of them. We did put a front pulley on a last year&#039;s production 770 that did not have a power booster..','',0,'','12qb435u',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2416,590,4,96,0,'216.201.29.144',1075851334,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Cletrac Corporation','In the fall of 1960 after White Motors took over (purchased) Oliver the Cletrac Corporation was formed with the intend of building crawlers. Who was behind this company and did they put any together and what happened to it.','',0,'','3gzfr7dq',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2417,584,3,26,0,'216.176.89.203',1075852665,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','winter fun','I&#039;ve heard a lot of people say that they&#039;re not going to the winter get together because of the recent turn of events.  The MDOCCA chapter took on the full financial responsibility of the event before all of this happened.  PLEASE go to this event.  There is a great playday planned at Zimmermans and many other wonderful events.  I&#039;m going so I can enjoy the company of my Oliver friends and family and I hope you do too.  Don&#039;t worry about what has happened.  Just go and have a good time.  What else are you going to do in the middle of winter?  Let&#039;s support the chapter that&#039;s putting this event on.  They&#039;re counting on us.  It WILL be a fun weekend.','',0,'','3btihegh',1,0,'',26,0,0),(2418,583,1,65,0,'216.183.132.190',1075853573,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Super 99 on steel','I saw a super 99 6 cylinder gas on factory steel under restoration last fall in indiania [still under wraps]  There was different shields on front wheels/axle on it.I just forget the details. It was a ricefield special out of a cotton gin in alabama was the story.','',0,'','1sjoa8pe',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2419,587,3,35,0,'67.34.172.72',1075853693,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','magazine','FEB 3rd AND HAVE NOT RECEIVED MINE!:mad::mad:','',0,'','3ug2b5w7',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2420,534,3,67,0,'64.6.2.136',1075854076,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I guess I would be interested in what you are talking about, as I have not spoken to Landis recently, only exchanged a couple of e-mails.  Sounds like someone must know something that I don&#039;t.  Terry.','',0,'','2vxcj16z',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2421,587,3,67,0,'64.6.2.136',1075854364,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','Believe me that no one wishes everyone had their magazine more than I do, but once they are put in the postal system, we have absolutely no control over it.  We all know that this issue was mailed late, but there is no explanation as to why some have not received theirs.  As for the advertisers, all of the ones that I have talked to have renewed their ads, and the latest that I have heard, advertising for the next magazine have increased.  Terry.','',0,'','33wl8g14',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2423,584,3,65,0,'216.183.132.190',1075855180,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Winter Convention','Darn right we are coming south ! Its been two weeks of horizontal snow and darn cold temps here in canada!! Mad cow or no mad cow theres a load of canuks coming south [And after talking to OUR groundhog He is changing his mind about this 6 weeks more of winter thing!! You PA guys have a friendly chat with Phil [mention a nice stew to thaw the cold days ] [gh stew] <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> Also thanks for posting  the banquet info saved me a phone call!! Now if I can find the mailbox again?','',0,'','2bv42mqw',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2424,591,1,496,0,'0.0.0.0',1075855748,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Paul','To J. schwiebert','HI, this is re- the message I had posted on the ytmag site about the 1650 tractor leaking oil.\r\n\r\nThanks, Paul','',0,'','u9t8bzn4',1,0,'',496,0,0),(2426,587,3,495,0,'69.156.121.131',1075856966,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Holley','Magazine','I agree with Mr. Albright, the magazine as I have known it since 1994 no longer exisits.\r\nI am very dissapointed in the actions of the HPOCA board of directors and its president as to the inadequate explanation  on page 5 in the Jan/Feb 2004 addition. Is this a magazine for its members or is it a corporate magazine for the board of directors from Jesup Iowa.\r\nHolley Speers #1885 ( Ontario Canada)','',0,'','27rwoq5g',1,0,'',495,0,0),(2427,584,3,361,0,'205.188.209.42',1075858393,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Mantz','','Thanks for your show of suport sherry. We here at the MDOCCA are expecting a great show. The reservations are coming in at a good pace in spite of the recent events, and we expect a terrific turnout. Look forward to seeing all of you.','',0,'','26hkgnwv',1,0,'',361,0,0),(2428,591,1,96,0,'216.201.29.116',1075861671,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','1650 wet stacking','Paul: check your U2U box. Thanks John','',0,'','o9mheiar',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2429,534,3,374,0,'205.188.209.14',1075865254,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','magazine','Gee.....HPOCA board members what a great job......still no magazine here in Upstate NY.....guess we&#039;ll receive it the same time we get that detailed explanation from Terry as promised.....and now another club icon gone......what&#039;s next ??\r\nSure wish Sherry would take the bull by the horns as suggested in the YT discussions and not by the tail end as our current leaders have!!!:mad:   Ed Brandt','',0,'','1raixyh2',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2430,534,3,40,0,'152.163.252.199',1075868835,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Feb 3 and the magazine arrived today.  Now I have to take some time and read it.  \r\n\r\n\r\nIt is too bad Landis is not going to write his column for the magazine.  I hope they keep an ad in it.  I like to read about all the things they have available for those old tracks.','',0,'','3719qrsh',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2431,534,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1075907140,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Received my magazine','yesterday Feb 3. Pleased with the look. I&#039;m confident more content is coming.','',0,'','2wplyffk',1,0,'',7,0,0),(2432,85,1,39,0,'208.210.151.227',1075907905,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mel Larson','What in the shed','1952 Oliver 77\r\n1948 Farmall M\r\n1948 Massey-Harris Pony\r\nMcCormick Deering threshing machine\r\n\r\nI need 3 tractors to farm my field of 4 acres:D','',0,'','2bl7ss2w',1,0,'',39,0,0),(2434,586,3,372,0,'68.76.242.110',1075915142,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','','Great idea but how do the members go about a recall election?  The President and Board are in control of the HPOCA election apparatus.  Also I don&#039;t know if the bylaws allow a recall election.','',0,'','1jzs0d4s',1,0,'',372,0,0),(2437,85,1,497,0,'209.143.56.47',1075931381,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sixkids','My Collection','1945- Oliver 60\r\n1950- Oliver 66\r\n1955- Oliver SU 66\r\n1960- Oliver 660\r\n1957- Oliver SU 55\r\n1949- Oliver 99\r\n1956- Oliver SU 88\r\n1961- Oliver 440\r\n1963- Oliver 1800\r\n1966 (?)- Oliver 1650\r\n1966- Oliver 1850\r\n(Year Unknown) Oliver Superior Grain Drill\r\n(Year Unknown) Two Row Corn Planter\r\n(Year Unknown) 2-#22 Mowers\r\n(Year Unknown) Oliver Railroad Tool\r\n(Year Unknown) Oliver Wagon Gear','',0,'','gs4z18ez',1,0,'',497,0,0),(2438,586,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1075937882,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','Suggestion','Seeing as the current board of directors was voted in by the membership, I think you should live with your decision instead of trying to dispose of it.  Come election time, if you have a problem with how things are ran, then run for office instead of griping about how your elected officials do business.  There are always many doing the complaining but few stepping up to the plate.','',0,'','f8n11sun',1,0,'',142,0,0),(2439,85,1,360,0,'198.77.42.148',1075939203,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','4 - 70&#039;s\r\n60\r\n77\r\nOC-3\r\nOC-46\r\n2 - 1650&#039;s\r\n550\r\n1950-T\r\n2-78\r\n2-105\r\nFollowing Oliver implements:\r\nNo 5 picker\r\n620 baler\r\n60 baler\r\n588 plow\r\n2 Graindrills\r\nSickle bar mower\r\nRoster tail 2b plow\r\n3452? three bottom plow\r\nHarrow\r\n3 walking plows\r\nSet of cultivators\r\n45 pedal tractors\r\nMetal sign From dealer (Don&#039;t laugh we Payed more for this than some of the tractors)\r\n200+ 1/16 toy tractors','',0,'','agkl1h9e',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2441,586,3,374,0,'152.163.252.199',1075946145,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','leadership or lack there of','Gee 98dba..... guess the apple doesn&#039;t fall far from the tree.When the elections were done probably most of the votes were inner circle.... ya know the group.... ya belong to and support as noted above.....I didn&#039;t vote for any of them and I am sure that most of the other 6000 members didn&#039;t either.Had we known what happens within this clique,through hindsight,most probably would take the magazine and leave the &amp;quot;brood&amp;quot; to themselves.I probably wouldn&#039;t have joined,but now its a challenge to either salvage what we have or start anew as we&#039;ve read in the yt discussion and the latter is everyday more appealing when I read the few responses you or one of the other hens have generated.Its time a few foxes clear out the house,one way or the other....<!-- s:o --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif\" alt=\":o\" title=\"Surprised\" /><!-- s:o -->','',0,'','3qjiyh7d',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2442,586,3,88,0,'67.74.242.215',1075946156,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Voted in by membership, should be voted out by membership, that is  if they fail to represent membership properly. The board and president were entrusted to do what is in the best interest of the club and it&#039;s members. Instead they chose to do what was in their OWN best interest. They can&#039;t give concrete reasons for firing Sherry, since there are none. Just vague accusations, if they spoke the truth, the reasons might be jealousy, or selfishness, but I&#039;m only speculating. Since we don&#039;t hear the truth, that&#039;s about all we can do,,,,,right?\n\n[Edited on 2-5-2004 by Doug_424]','',0,'','3vqhb0gr',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2443,586,3,88,0,'67.74.242.215',1075946703,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','By laws, article 4 section F:\r\n\r\n\r\nRemoval of an Officer:  Officers may be removed for neglect or incompetence by a three-fourths (3/4) vote of the attending members at a special or annual meeting, providing that notice was given by mail to all members at their respective addresses not less than thirty (30) days prior to the meeting.\r\n\r\nJust putting it here for anyone who is interested (copied from by laws)','',0,'','28pv6zyh',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2444,586,3,420,0,'66.201.21.13',1075947250,1,0,1,1,1,0,'A4T-2655 Oliver','Leadership','Mr. Cook: I believe you have summed it up real well ! Even if some of the directors did the right thing and quit, I really doubt that Sherry would take her job back? She doesn&#039;t want to create anymore problems within the club! Wish she would, but i think the backing that she has on YT discussion board would suit her better. She can be her own BOSS and still make all of us happy with her knowledge and compassion about Olivers and any other tractor that she cares to write about. My own personal thoughts. Thanks','',0,'','mxppj8hg',1,0,'',420,0,0),(2445,586,3,366,0,'209.173.42.34',1075949667,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','','Cookieman If you will read clodely what 98dba said it wasn&#039;t what you thought. He didn&#039;t say if you don&#039;t like the way things are run get out! he said if you don&#039;t like the way things are run by the board then get involved and do something about it. It&#039;s like my dad always said, if you want a job done to your satisfaction the best way is to do it yourself! \r\n\r\n You have elections, when they come up some of the folks on this board who are so vocal against the board should run for the offices and then you can make or at least try to make the changes you want.','',0,'','la3nxj8c',1,0,'',366,0,0),(2446,592,3,366,0,'209.173.42.34',1075950999,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','Sherry&#039;s letter','Just curious here but has Sherry ever posted the contents of her dismissal letteron here or any other board? I was reading over the long thread on this and noticed tht it was started back in November and if I remember right the reason given for not posting was that the board owed her wages and it was going to be either 30-60 days before that would be settled. She didn&#039;t want to post anything before receiving that as she was not sure what the board would do. \r\n\r\n It has been 30-60 days I think and I was kinda hoping that maybe since all of these folks on here have supported her and stood beside kinda sight unseen on the reasons she would post the actual reasoning for her dismissal.','',0,'','2f27cpxd',1,0,'',366,0,0),(2447,586,3,374,0,'205.188.209.43',1075953374,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','leadership','Mr.Tmlkr....if you read the article by Mr.Cook you would have realized that he is saying that with the way the bylaws are currently set up and the clique thats operating them ,there is no chance that anyone who wanted to get involved would have a chance....therefore you&#039;ve lost!!!\r\n\r\nBy the way,I wholeheartedly agree with your father....however....\r\n\r\nYes,we have elections...and by doing so we elect somebody who is to represent this entire membership....above board with honesty and integrity....and when we the members(electors) request an explanation we shouldn&#039;t have the response from them as we&#039;ve had.We have been promised in writing in this forum from our leader,who again did not do what he had promised us in the magazine I have yet to receive........our elected leaders are responsible to us ,our  ex-contractors are not.....Ed Brandt','',0,'','33lo7071',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2449,587,3,374,0,'152.163.252.199',1076010835,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','magazine','well...guess what....I actually received my magazine today...on the bright side only three weeks till I get the next issue,right??\r\nNothing is farther from the truth..........\r\n\r\nFirst thing,turned right to Terry&#039;s column to read his detailed explanation.....it wasn&#039;t there.....imagine that....our elected leader not following through on his own promise..\r\n11-23-03 @ 20:18 by Terry...&amp;quot; An internet forum is not the place to discuss details of this action, but the members do deserve an explanation.I realize that many of you want more of an explanation,but that will have to follow in the proper forum,which is the magazine.&amp;quot;\r\nThere is not one thing detailed in the magazine column that is not in the above noted entry.You have once again told us nothing.\r\n\r\nThe red flag will now be raised each time and rightly so!!!\r\n\r\nOther than the good ol&#039;boys group,we all want an explanation!!!!!....but the sad thing is we will probably never receive it....sure hope the by-law changes address this,as well as the requirements,responsibilities and whom they are responsible to,for the different offices of the board!!!\r\n\r\nPS..your final remark in your entry states ..&amp;quot;that we will all be impressed by the new magazine&amp;quot; I am certainly not,not worth the wait,however,you may be impressed by the new one developing in Nokomis !!!!:D:D:D:      Ed Brandt','',0,'','snav4u30',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2450,586,3,116,0,'63.173.217.19',1076026173,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','','currently the way things are setup, we only have 4  boardmembers that are voted on by the membership : Pres., V.Pres., Sec., and Treas., all others are appointed.\r\n    let your views be known that you would like this to be restuctured. post your opinions on the bylaws forum, there are some good ideas there, if we can get enough support for them maybe we can make a difference.\r\n                   Todd Kline #8000','',0,'','2emozqer',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2451,587,3,35,0,'68.18.201.71',1076027578,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','magazine','Feb. 5th and no magazine. <!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->:mad:','',0,'','1i99m3bu',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2455,587,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1076039098,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Terry&#039;s Explanation','NYSOliver,  I recall reading the text you quoted, as well.  We are due an explanation.  I&#039;ll even place money on the fact that, I&#039;ll bet Sherry would even allow the explanation of the reasons surrounding her firing, if the truth is printed, and if rebuttals or questions are allowed.  If you (Terry) don&#039;t want it in the magazine, a separate newsletter will be fine, either mailed with or seperately.  \r\nTERRY, your challange is to prove to the membership that you ARE a man of your word, and are not a liar.  ARE YOU UP TO IT???\n\n[Edited on 2-6-2004 by edward.tabor]','',0,'','1k7jrb7t',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2458,573,6,70,0,'67.50.29.138',1076082195,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','','He has moved to the Cortland area and I do not know his address or phone number.  Will try to get it.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','36fg20po',1,0,'',70,0,0),(2459,587,3,123,0,'152.163.252.199',1076118245,1,0,1,1,1,0,'adsces','','Feb 6 still no magazine in central michigan!!??!Maybe I can pick up a copy in PA the end of the month.','',0,'','lv8ec0vn',1,0,'',123,0,0),(2460,575,1,109,0,'216.65.188.179',1076118397,1,0,1,1,1,0,'chparks','60 Exhaust','I used a piece of 1 1/2&amp;quot; SS milk line for the pipe on my 60. It is the right size to fit over the outlet of the muffler.','',0,'','nwq0stis',1,0,'',109,0,0),(2461,85,1,109,0,'216.65.188.179',1076120742,1,0,1,1,1,0,'chparks','What&#039;s in your collection','My dad&#039;s first tractor was a 1940 Oliver 60.it was a 4 speed very slow the road. Later we did quit a bit of custom spraying and sold the 60 and got a new 1948 60 that had 5 speeds. That road gear was sure was nice. In 1952 we traded the 60 for a new 66. After that we had various Oliver tractors. The last I had was a 1850D which my son has on his dairy farm. I am retired and have a 1947 60 which I show.','',0,'','22jesjta',1,0,'',109,0,0),(2462,594,3,501,0,'148.64.44.124',1076139448,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nichols fan','new club ?','I just found this site for the first time tonight sounds like you guys need a new club .\r\nmaybe a nichols &amp;amp; shepard- oliver collectors club would be better. as for the late magazine ?  I think someone has already started a new magazine. I am not a member here and after reading tonight i really feel for you members who are trying to deal with your current board problems . i know of Ms. Schafer and could not amagine her doing less than her very best regarding anything that dealt with Oliver the tractor, the company, or the pride in preserving its hearitge.\r\n    \r\nyou never know what you have till it&#039;s gone.\r\n\r\nbest of luck\r\n \r\nAndy Craig','',0,'','3r3d8w8w',1,0,'',501,0,0),(2464,595,1,502,0,'216.93.111.18',1076169758,1,0,1,1,1,0,'al cowan','oliver wheel disc','oliver wheel disc\r\n\r\nI have an oliver wheel disc, about 12 - 14 feet wide, and I still use it in my farming operation. I&#039;m not sure but one fellow tells me it&#039;s a model 242. I would like to get some replacement parts for it (disk cleaners, etc.) but I need to come up with part numbers. Does anyone know where I could buy a parts book for it? I can be e-mailed at: <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:alcowain@dmci.net\">alcowain@dmci.net</a><!-- e --> \r\nthanks for any help, Al','',0,'','3uy3xynx',1,0,'',502,0,0),(2472,586,3,47,0,'65.238.36.166',1076187676,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Thank you Kline,\r\nThere are some good suggestions on the bylaws forum, we can take more, and seek them. I predict there will be major changes in how we conduct our business in the future. The most prominent suggestion is to elect all positions, this has great support, it is the #1 issue at this time. I also feel there will be major change in the nominating procedure, bringing more open membership involvement. In the past member involvement wasn&#039;t an over riding issue in bylaws changes, it was done by the committee, reviewed, and changes made, then approved by the board, then submitted to the members on the annual ballot. There is no provision for board approval of bylaw changes contained in the bylaws, which leaves us with making a report to the membership, as it should require membership approval to be put on the annual ballot. There has been notice of this published in the magazine, and we have asked for suggestions from the members. All suggestions will go to committee for evaluation. If you support an issue, let your support be known, this is the only way we have to determine the extent of support issues have. If there is other suggestions you have, make this known. Thanks, Andy','',0,'','ems6e1x9',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2473,586,3,487,0,'141.151.181.93',1076189551,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Irvin L. Albright','leadership','Well this new board should be very proud of their work, because they ruined a great club and magazine, in a record amount of time.    member #9423 Irvin Albright\r\n PS: This new magazine isn&#039;t fit to take to the out house!  This will probably be deleted,because it is not in favor of them.','',0,'','1j2h7em5',1,0,'',487,0,0),(2475,573,6,47,0,'65.238.36.166',1076192913,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','no, I was talking about <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.anywho.com\">www.anywho.com</a><!-- w -->, in the membership directory it shows Deposit, NY. I looked it up on anywho, just using the state, a whole lot of Richard Harris&#039; are listed. Perhaps you may want to try that, something might work for you. I don&#039;t know when the next membership directory will be out.','',0,'','23mzun5o',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2477,594,3,372,0,'66.11.109.139',1076194160,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','Leadership','Right on Danny.   For discussion lets assume that the current officiers and Board think that what they have done was the right thing.  They are entitled to their opinions.  However look at the results of their actions.  The club is an uproar.  Members of long standing are leaving.  With changes made on the nominating committe, members don&#039;t feel that they have a realistic chance of making changes.  A good magazine has been changed to be fluff, pretty fluff, but still fluff.\r\nFor those Officiers and Board members who are really concerned for the future of the HPOCA the time has come to resign for the good of the club.  You should realize by now that nothing less can restore the club to its former self.','',0,'','zqe1m5xi',1,0,'',372,0,0),(2479,594,3,35,0,'68.18.204.128',1076195669,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','magazine','Even if the present board steps down which I think is the only way HPOCA can mend, a new magazine still will be great. The new magazine will not be tied to any club therefore Sherry will be free to publish as she sees fit. She has the expertise that it requires and the dedication to Oliver. I probably will stay a member of HPOCA because I have friends within the organization. However I am in full support of Sherry and her quest to publish a new magazine devoted to Oliver. I urge all Oliver, Cletrac, Hart-Parr, Cockshutt and White collectors to subscribe to the new magazine.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->\r\nFrank Dodson 5251','',0,'','z8kg8294',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2480,594,3,47,0,'65.238.36.166',1076196600,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I am optimistic. I believe recent event have forced positive change, that will cause members to be more interactive in HPOCA. I hope perhaps the members will take a more active part in the association, rather that depend on a few to take care of things. Maybe we will have more members who feel it is rewarding to contribute to the organization, rather than occasionally go to a show, Maybe, more will run for positions, and maybe more will vote. It is my opinion that anytime one member or group of members is the only thing holding this organization together, at that time we would be in sorry shape, and doomed to failure eventually. If approached correctly, a shakedown can have positive results. I would not advocate the mass resignation of the officers and board, as that would leave us without any sort of leadership, or knowledge of current issues. I would be comfortable with a transition which would provide a constant, and continual rotation of the officers and board. Later, Andy','',0,'','3uss8mmk',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2484,594,3,372,0,'66.11.110.75',1076249036,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','','I also strongly support a new magazine outside the HPOCA.  Regardless of the future of the HPOCA, we will be able to retain a central point of contact for those interested in the hobby.  Even more important we can retain Sherry as editor of an outstanding antique tractor magazine.  It will benefit everyone.\r\n    On the subject of the current officiers and board I still believe that their actions and unwillingness to respond to legitimate member questions disqualifies them for office.  Maybe Andy is right, maybe we need a transitional period, but not a long one.  If the officiers and board would resign effective this summer then elections could be held.  I also believe that no officier or board member should be allowed to hold office for more than 4 years.  Regional selection of officiers and board members would help also help end the clique.  When an officier from one state leaves his successor should come from another state','',0,'','1fh6bbzr',1,0,'',372,0,0),(2486,594,3,47,0,'65.238.36.60',1076253875,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Westville1,\r\nI would strongly consider taking a subscription, once Sherry has something to subscribe to, I take other publications that deal with different makes, Stem gas, etc., one more wouldn&#039;t hurt anything, and might have a positive effect for Sherry. I would support it, no problem, first she will need to produce a product. I have heard of this, but seen no marketing. If she wishes to accomplish this effort, perhaps she will post what she wants to do, I think she will get subscribers. Kurt left as editor, it didn&#039;t hurt him with &#039;Belt Pulley&#039;, of course he had it established, but the concepts are not that far apart. The positive thing for Sherry is she could make changes without asking for approval. I think with good marketing, she can succeed, probably do better financially than before, and I wish her success! Had she remained editor at HPOC, doing this would had been a hot topic to say the least, so, this might be a very positive thing.\r\nAs far as changes to HPOCA, I feel it will take a little longer than you would expect. First thing is to get as much member input as possible. This is where you can help, get on the bylaws forum, let your thoughts be known, if you wish, anything brought up is open for debate, comment, let&#039;s shake these ideas down. I am using comments made by members thru the bylaws forum, phoned, or e-mailed to me, or any committee member to inform the committee as to members wishes. I am getting some very positive input, by and large, the members wish to build and improve the HPOCA which is very encouraging to me. The committee will meet at Lancaster, there we will hammer this out, and hopefully will have something to present to the members, which could go on the next annual ballot. I will suggest to committee some sort of proposal which will include electing directors, term limits for all elected positions, setting up a table for rotation of positions, adding positions, changing to direct nominations from the floor, as well as several other issues. I feel this will shake out in the form of a transition that will take somewhere between 3 and 5 years from now to accomplish. Realisticly, the the soonest any changes can be made would be in 22 months from now, procedural changes would begin to occur after the next election, if the membership ratifies the bylaws changes, this would include the term limits, direct nominations, things of that nature, and the transition phase could begin at the following election. What the members are telling me is they want change, but, they don&#039;t wish to destroy what we have to get it. So, we should try to work as smoothly and easily as we can, but effectively accomplish these goals. The very best thing I can tell members to do is to get on the bylaws forum, contribute, become part of the solution.  Later, Andy','',0,'','28a4y3xw',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2487,597,3,465,0,'199.35.235.250',1076256421,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','Winter Meeting','I am hoping Andy or Terry can tell me when this winter meeting is going to happen. I have been to shows but never came to the dinner and don&#039;t know how you work things. The EXACT time. No times are given in the ads in the Mag. I will be taking off work that weekend. The majority of my wages are made on Fri, Sat, and Sun, so this will be a hardship.If I would rather eat at McD&#039;s can I still come to the meetings? The nominating commitee AND general meeting.','',0,'','11y4amwq',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2488,597,3,374,0,'205.188.209.43',1076256978,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','winter meeting','Same here Keith......why is the times and/or schedules not publicized anywhere and we are 3 weeks away....maybe alot of members don&#039;t want the fluff but we certainly want to know when the general meeting is !!!!!!!!','',0,'','hjxiu1fp',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2489,597,3,47,0,'65.238.36.60',1076258297,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Keith M.,\r\nNormally, membership meetings are held on Saturday, around mid day, I would assume (I know, never assume anything), this would be no different. I don&#039;t know for sure the exact time, there is sometimes issues with scheduling, depending on what facilities are available, and what the host chapter has planned, normally it will not conflict with a seminar, or other event. I don&#039;t know if Terry or Bill Mantz can get more specific on this. You can eat anywhere you wish, that is always a given. Nobody will tell you where to fill your belly, but I can recommend a diner, it is east on 30, toward Gap, on the north side of the road, good, very large servings, and cheap, try the pancakes. I know I&#039;ll stop by there, but I can&#039;t remember the name, there is an Amish farmer that lives across the road, and another just east of the diner, matter of fact, he farms right up to the parking lot. As far as nominating committee goes, those members should be around, see Kenny Grimm, he is the chairman, it is his committee, and he is responsible to set the agenda.\r\nI&#039;ll be taking off from work to spend time in our booth at Louisville, then work a week and get to Lancaster in the middle of the following week. I can understand it can create cash flow problems, but, what the heck, it is a good time, and maybe we can resolve issues, then get back to playing with tractors like we supposed to do.\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','2zaqrifl',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2490,597,3,47,0,'65.238.36.60',1076261058,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey NYSOliver,\r\nI don&#039;t remember times and dates of meetings being published in the past. It is a good idea, and it might work out. I always did just go to the event and ask somebody who knew. There can be variables, you might ask one too many questions in a seminar, then it runs overtime, so, the meeting is late because the room is being used. The host has to coordinate this with the secretary, or whoever sets the meeting. It is not an enormous issue, but someone should be able to get close to the ballpark. Just another loose string. I can remember a time when nobody worried about it and just came to have a good time!','',0,'','2v9ggzd8',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2491,597,3,116,0,'63.173.216.180',1076262326,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','good time','hey Andy,\r\nthis will be my first Winter Get Together, thats what I&#039;m going for to have fun &amp;amp; get away for these darn cows for a few days.\r\n           see ya there,\r\n                        Todd','',0,'','370pwf2l',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2492,598,2,504,0,'216.175.47.14',1076263013,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tom','1935 Hart Parr 18-27 For Sale','Complete Restoration, Excellent Condition.\r\n$4000.00','',0,'','38govzby',1,0,'',504,0,0),(2493,597,3,374,0,'205.188.209.43',1076263202,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','winter get together','Maybe more people should have worried about it and we wouldn&#039;t have the problems we have now!!!!!!!!!!!!!','',0,'','2q00r25b',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2494,597,3,47,0,'65.238.36.60',1076263970,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Kline,\r\nTry to come early, I talked to Landis a while back, he wants, for us to come out to his place the day before the winter get together. He said we can play with his tractors, weather permitting. I stop by his place on occasion, we always have a great time, he is a pleasant person, a good member, I have no doubt this will be a pleasant experience. He does ask that if you will be there for dinner to sent him a reservation form, so they will know how many are coming. You can find this form in your magazine, on the inside of the back page. Also on Sunday, Bob Lefever told me he would have an open house, no doubt this will be a fun event, Bob has a unique collection, and makes fenders, etc. I think this will be a fun show, lots to do. I look forward to seeing you there!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','34gnyhaz',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2495,597,3,47,0,'65.238.36.60',1076264376,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey NYSOliver,\r\nMaybe if more members participate, there would be more who could worry about the small stuff. Nobody gets paid for this, so, demands can&#039;t be made of volunteers. As for me, I prefer not to make an issue of the small stuff, and just have a good time. Why didn&#039;t you volunteer to take care of this issue?','',0,'','2xuckujz',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2496,586,3,47,0,'65.238.36.177',1076271473,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I&#039;ve just been reading back thru some of these posts, and just have to say whoa! Back off, hold on one cotton pickin&#039; minute! All this talk about removing officers it totally unfair! There were other candidates who ran for these offices, including myself, the current officers were elected by a majority vote. Those of us who were not elected accept the wishes of the majority, and live with their decision. Now, you tell me that you don&#039;t like the results, should of thought about that at election time. I didn&#039;t see any of y&#039;all putting your name in the hat. If you didn&#039;t vote, you have no complaint, if you voted for those in office, accept responsibility for your own action, and if you voted for those who were not elected recognize that we operate by rule of majority, I recognize this and accept it. Besides, if Terry was removed, would that mean I would then be the winner of that election? I am not so certain that would be a good place to be at this time!','',0,'','e2ahp6os',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2497,586,3,88,0,'65.56.3.26',1076277698,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Hey Andy,,,,, It does happen. Remember Bill Clinton, we almost got rid of him as president. There have been many cases of persons holding public office removed for misconduct. I am also sure that many clubs and organizations have had officers removed for various reasons. Probably won&#039;t happen here, mostly because of the need to notify 6200 members by mail. I mean who would pay for that? I guess that&#039;s a good way to keep your job secure.','',0,'','1s328wcf',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2498,85,1,505,0,'198.108.232.53',1076278790,1,0,1,1,1,0,'counterclockwise','','Here&#039;s my collection:\r\n66RC\r\n77RC\r\n60RC\r\nCouple of Super 55&#039;s to be made into one.\r\nMM ZB\r\n1/2 of a Wards HR (my brother owns the other half)\r\nSuper 88 pedal tractor\r\nOutboard Motor (I&#039;ll get this in the water soon!)\r\nA couple 2 bottom plows\r\nA couple 3 bottom plows\r\nWith only 1 acre this should be enough equipment but I&#039;m always looking or more.','',0,'','16ksmg8e',1,0,'',505,0,0),(2500,545,1,144,0,'169.207.136.117',1076280405,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','oliver 145','Found a nice 1972 oliver 145 , got it home today!!','',0,'','2t0znzx3',1,0,'',144,0,0),(2502,595,1,70,0,'170.215.212.69',1076282156,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','parts book','You could probably get a parts book from the Floyd County Historical Society.  They sell all kinds of manuals for Oliver and they advertise in the HPOCA magazine.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','2oteanta',1,0,'',70,0,0),(2503,586,3,47,0,'65.238.36.39',1076283445,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Doug_424,\r\nIs it a good idea to pattern ourselves after the US government? I think we can do better than that. When I ran for HPOCA President I brought up the point that we had administrative deficiencies that needed to be corrected, the problems remain, perhaps in various forms, but they are there. What was acceptable may now not be. But, at least we know of problems, and problems are no more than opportunities for solutions. Now, we can throw it all away, or we can fix it, solve the problems. We are like an old rusty Oliver, we can be shiny again, just takes some work is all, and the more who pitch in, the quicker the job will be completed. No need to throw it away, it can run again! The more that I look at the whole situation, the better the potential seems. I think we can be better than before! But then again, I&#039;m a nut case, when I look at rusty old junk, I can see it shine, and hear it purr.\r\nPrior to our current problems, our bylaws committee was formed. Which tells me it was recognized that changes were needed. It is commonly known that I approach problems aggressively, and am generally fairly effective in finding solutions. Since Terry chose me to chair the committee, it should be obvious that changes were needed. Yet, we shouldn&#039;t kill the patient to cure the disease. I feel we can fix this, and make it better than before. Just takes a little work. I gotta go to work, again, durn it!  Hope to hear from you soon. Later, Andy','',0,'','2pleyu13',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2504,586,3,88,0,'67.74.236.88',1076285524,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Hey Andy,,,,,,Ya know when you go a fixin that rusty ol Oliver sometimes there are a few parts that need replacin more than fixin. Like if you got a cracked motor block the fix might work for awhile, but sooner or later it&#039;s goin to be a leakin again. In view of that, wouldn&#039;t you have wished you got a good motor block and replaced the bad one. That way you have a long lasting remedy to a bad situation.  I&#039;m not comparing ths group to the government, or anyone else for that matter. My point was only that it is possible to replace leaders that have not done the job they were expected to do. In this case many members are unhappy with Terry and his boards choices. All I said is that removing someone from power is an option,,,, NOT the only option....Like I stated in an earlier post,,,,it probably will never happen anyway.  (Note, I just couldn&#039;t resist the tractor parts analogy, since you brought the subject up)','',0,'','2ti7iqkq',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2506,586,3,47,0,'65.238.36.138',1076287955,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Doug_424,\r\nI got a big kick out of your tractor parts analogy. LOL. Which the part about the cracked block reminded me that some time I need to do a Tech Tips on using a molten powdered metal technique which repairs blocks and other cast iron with nickle. I use it, if done correctly is stronger than original, and permanent. \r\nI fully understand some members are a little upset, as a matter of fact some are down right mad. How well I know! I also know that anger is a thief, it steal a persons objectivity.\r\nI also know that when life give you lemons, you can make lemonade.\r\nI have heard thru the grapevine that Sherry is trying to get her own magazine going. This is an extremely positive move that was not possible before. I can see enormous potential, such as developing into additional publications addressing the interests of pullers, toy collectors, literature collectors, the list can go as long as she wishes. She has a great opportunity to build her OWN business. I wish her tremendous success!\r\nI agree with you that the officers will probably not be removed, though it is an option, I doubt there is sufficient support for it. On the other hand it does open the door for positive change. I think we have a great opportunity for improvement, and as such, should take advantage of it. I still gotta get out of here and go to work, so I can get off early this week to go to Louisville. Let me know what you think!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','35hrqxnc',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2508,594,3,372,0,'66.11.110.179',1076289735,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','','Andy,\r\n   We are talking about two differient things. Your timetable is based on the existing officiers and board completing their terms and leaving as their terms expire.  I am talking about the officiers and board resigning promptly for the good of the club and new elections occuring soon.  My opinion is that there may not be a club as we know it if we use your timetable.','',0,'','ay5oygda',1,0,'',372,0,0),(2509,586,3,47,0,'65.238.36.138',1076292585,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','No Danny,\r\nWhat I said was that I heard from the election before last about 300 ballots had come from Wisconsin, and the members there were very active. I never mentioned any figure of 500. I don&#039;t know for sure that number is accurate, but that was what I was told. That would tell me that the folks in Wisconsin take this very seriously, as it would equate to 3 out of every 4 members voting. Maryland and Pennsylvania combined has the same potential, then add in New York and you have greater potential. It just depends on how serious you want to get. You think you have it bad, try living in WV, your chapter probably has more members than my whole state.\r\nWhich makes me a prime example of the fallacy of your theory on representation. If in fact your theory was true, I would have absolutely no chance to be nominated for even dog catcher, and if so would only carry the local votes. I have twice been nominated for office, once for Secretary, once for President, both times were against incumbents, both times I carried approximately one third of the votes cast, which can be considered normal. If in fact your theory rang true, this would be impossible. I don&#039;t feel geography is a major factor in election results, it might have some minor effect, but would not decide an election. In my experience in HPOCA there are two major factors, the first being popularity, the second being issues. If a candidate is well known, and the members agree with the issues, this would decide the election in most cases. How do you guarantee equality? Real simple, run! Then address the issues. I understand that you don&#039;t go to many of our events, you would need to try to go more, so members know you. I wouldn&#039;t vote for someone that doesn&#039;t go to the shows, they most likely wouldn&#039;t go to the meetings to represent me either. And it wouldn&#039;t hurt to write an article or two.\r\nAs far as my post that scares you, hate to scare you, but that is the way democracy works. You can be part of the solution, or part of the problem, in life we all have choices. Make the best one and live with it! If your choice doesn&#039;t please you, at least you had the opportunity to do differently, many people in this world don&#039;t. As far as directors go, of the 4 current directors One is from PA, one is from VT, that is half, of the other half one is from OH and the other is from IL. I think half from the east coast is enough, are you wanting more? I can see your point as far as officers go, two from IL, two from IN, and one from IA. Which leads me to advise that if you want better representation for elected positions, get more candidates, and have the members to support them. I strongly believe the key to resolving our problems to be found in direct nominations, and allowing the will of the members to be shown at the ballot box.\r\nIt was great talking to you, I look forward to seeing you soon!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','19xuxkz1',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2510,594,3,47,0,'65.238.36.138',1076295087,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Westville1,\r\nPerhaps we disagree. It is my opinion that if in fact the whole board was to resign we would be left in such turmoil and uncertainty the association would immediately begin falling apart. I believe the majority of the members would support a positive change, allowing attrition to replace the existing board, if they can see the end result to be an improvement. At least I am getting an awful lot of feedback to that effect. As chairman of the bylaws committee, I am receptive to the wishes of members, whether I agree with them or not. I can assure you that each and every suggestion will go in front of the committee. Then we will try our flat level best to come to a solution or compromise that will be effective as well as workable, and to the benefit of HPOCA members. I know there are members that the only thing I could do to please them is to hang and gut the board, and some that wouldn&#039;t be enough for, nothing would please them. This does NOT make my duty any easier, and by the way, it is my time, and my nickle. I have to fall back on what Landis told me several years ago one day when I was feeling depressed and not appreciated over something I was helping out with. I asked him why in the world am I contributing? He simply replied it is a labor of love. And I guess that is pay enough!!! I have no doubt there is a love for our fellow members, I wouldn&#039;t work this hard for pay. When I joined several years ago at the request of Bob Tallman, I found an association that felt more like a family than a club, of course, families have disagreements, but given time these are resolved. I hope this is still the case!!! I think we can make negative turn to positive, are you willing to try?\r\nI hope to hear from you, or see you soon!\r\nLater, Andy\r\nP.S. Folks, check out Wrenchbenders post the bylaws forum, this is really the sort of info that will help enormously, not only does he suggest solutions, but means to achieve them!!! Great job Wrenchbender!!!\n\n[Edited on 9-2-2004 by Andy]','',0,'','2a97fq6i',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2514,594,3,372,0,'68.76.242.110',1076338716,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','','Andy,\r\n   My suggestion for the board and officiers to resign for the good of the club is not vindictive nor likely to cause turmoil.  If they would resign as of say June 30,2004, there would be time for new elections prior to that time and for a smooth transition.  Also the idea that the officiers and directors would resign should focus on their own consciences as the consider making a sacrifice for the good of the club.  Andy you know the directors and officiers and I do not.  Would they consider such a sacrifice?','',0,'','kst786ns',1,0,'',372,0,0),(2515,85,1,39,0,'208.210.151.200',1076345876,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mel Larson','Whats in the shed','I have an Oliver 77 ingraved on my grave stone. Who says you can&#039;t take it with you  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','3bisl9h2',1,0,'',39,0,0),(2517,598,2,507,0,'134.163.253.127',1076364765,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Clay Alston','send pictures','Hey Tom I&#039;m very interested in your tractor. Can you e-mail pictures? And where do you live?\r\n\r\nClay Alston\r\nDeRidder, la.','',0,'','3p5c8mcr',1,0,'',507,0,0),(2519,599,2,509,0,'69.87.135.1',1076372760,1,0,1,1,1,0,'biged','i have 18-27 row crop need seat hood carb kit need help if a','','',0,'0','1jmul1vf',1,0,'',509,0,0),(2520,600,2,509,0,'69.87.135.1',1076373104,1,0,1,1,1,0,'biged','i need a origanal mag for 18-27 row crop if any one can help','','',0,'0','3eumplym',1,0,'',509,0,0),(2522,598,2,504,0,'216.175.47.46',1076386403,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tom','','Clay, I live in East Central IL, southwest of Champaign, IL. I will try to have some pics posted very soon. Thanks for the reply.','',0,'','1h3yupyl',1,0,'',504,0,0),(2523,586,3,360,0,'152.163.252.199',1076454693,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Very well said Danny. You got this right that you have to belong to the clique and if you don&#039;t you will not get onto any of the boards and so forth and if you do not include them in all of the reindeer games then they will kick you off of the board ie Ollie and the nominating board. I don&#039;t know how some of the board members can get mad though about not being included in the restoration project because they seemed  to have had a hard time finding Ollie and Sherry anyways. Could not tell Sherry face to face, Then how could have they worked on the project. That is ok this board had set this club back at least five years if not forever and that will be there legacy and hope that they are happy. They could not get to Nok. Ill but only under the cover of secrecy and this would not have set well with the Smithsonian and I know that the clique was left out of the restoration of No.3 and there feelings are hurt but so are mine that this happened but they are getting better with the new magazine in the works and that makes me feel better.','',0,'','1rl85vl3',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2524,85,1,510,0,'209.41.194.192',1076458029,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Aberdale Farm','','I&#039;m new to this site, and it looks like some pretty avid collectors! I&#039;ll add mine in . . .\r\n\r\nOliver\r\n 60 RC\r\n Super 77 RC\r\n 1850D\r\n\r\nCockshutt\r\n 30\r\n\r\nMinneapolis Moline\r\n R\r\n ZB\r\n G1000\r\n\r\nAnd a few other &amp;quot;colors&amp;quot;.\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'','31zcs151',1,0,'',510,0,0),(2526,58,1,510,0,'209.41.194.192',1076459511,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Aberdale Farm','','My first exposure to Olivers was in 1968.  Dad had a little run down farm where we used a Massey Harris 44 and an 8N Ford.  I baled hay for the neighbor, who had a brand new Oliver 1850.  It was incredible!  Powerful, smooth, and big!  I got to drive it one day and decided this is what farming should be!\r\n\r\nFast forward to 1997.  I bought my own little run down farm and needed a tractor or two to work it.  First I bought and restored an 8N Ford, just like dads.  But as most of you probably know, there&#039;s only so much you can do with an 8N.  I quickly bought a 4020 to help the little 8N out.  I went to an auction nearby where an Oliver 60 RC and a Super 77 were going pretty cheap.  I didn&#039;t need them, but I bought them both!  They need some work, but they should be a fun restorations someday.  Then last summer, an 1850 (just like the one I remember in 1968, came up for sale at a local dealership.  I decided I just had to have it. It is now an integral part of my operation.\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'','6cunfqtw',1,0,'',510,0,0),(2527,595,1,366,0,'209.173.42.46',1076472243,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tlmkr','','might alos check EBAY. I bought an owners manual and some of the original brocheres for my 252 disk off of there. you also might check with <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.jensales.com\">www.jensales.com</a><!-- w -->. They carry alot of owners and parts manuals for most any tractor and alot of equipment','',0,'','1uq4ivs1',1,0,'',366,0,0),(2529,594,3,47,0,'65.238.36.90',1076481280,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Westville1,\r\nI have had directors tell me they wish they could just go back to playing with their tractors, this was before the Nov. board meeting. Really this is not the situation that it appears to be. Being on the board is more of a pain than anything else. The ones on there mostly are doing it because they consider it to be their duty and obligation. I would have serious reservation as to if they would step down, I was told by 2 directors after the Nov. meeting they expected to get one heck of alot of flak, but they felt they had done what should had been done, they were not happy campers about what was done. I do know them well, like many other members I know. You probably suspect I keep contact with them, I do, I call or e-mail them and many other members, both in N. America and overseas. In recent conversations both the directors told me that the flak was nothing near as bad as they had suspected. I doubt there would be sufficient candidates to hold a full election, especially in view of all the controvery lately, who in their right mind would want to jump in the middle of all that? And if they did, the same controversy will follow them. I don&#039;t know how closely you follow the nominating, and election process, but there has been for many years a difficulty getting candidates that will go thru an election, then accept the duties, and expenses, on their own nickle. The vast majority of members are happy being just members and will go no farther than that. The directors I have talked to about having their positions elected are plenty happy to do so, that would mean that maybe someone else could do it. Currently, at the suggestion of one of our officers, I have been researching options to speed up the process of amending the bylaws, there are other ways, I need to look into technicalities, and assure this is fair to every member. Since you don&#039;t know the board members, probably, you also don&#039;t know what they do. Most of the work is outside the meeting, and issues can be not only complex, but long range, covering months and years. That is the major reason I very much recommend moving slowly, we need to get some new ones in, keep the rest, then every year make changes until every year there is a percentage that rotates in and out. That way we can maintain the expertise, and knowledge we have. All I can say about replacing all at once is we would get a very enlightening introduction to the facts that mistakes can be costly. Of course you know that with this duty I have accepted, there is no choice for me to be anything but objective and analytical. But, what was a very small project for me, did rather quickly turn into a nightmare! Well, ya take it on your plate then ya gotta eat it!\r\nI am optimistic, if Sherry gets her mag going, I think she will do good, which will open more doors for her, this would not had been possible. I know HPOC mag will get better, and prompt, at least I hope so. The first one out was a rush job, the first one is rarely what it should be. It will all work out, just not overnight is all.\r\nHope to hear from you soon! I gotta get off this thing and sleep, need to be at the Louisville show by noon and it is a 5 hour drive. Later, Andy','',0,'','3p3nu2fm',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2530,586,3,47,0,'65.238.36.90',1076483742,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny,\r\nI probably have a different opinion than most folks, but, I attend every HPOCA show, plus Louisville. It was my choice to join a multinational association, which has 2 events per year, I knew this going in. I have been to every one since joining. I know some members can&#039;t do this, due to time restraints or financial situation, sometimes it is a burden on me also. But, I consider it to be an obligation I took on when I joined. If I could not, or would not support the organization with my attendance, I probably wouldn&#039;t had joined. I would had been in one of the  2 clubs that are within an hours drive from here. But that is just my way, if I don&#039;t participate, I just don&#039;t understand why I would want to be part of it. Most folks don&#039;t think like me! Guess it must be that military thing again. But, for an officer or director, 2/3rds of all meeting occur at our events. If I don&#039;t see those who are willing to hold these positions at these events what assurance do I have that they would make all 6 meetings if elected? It stands to reason if they don&#039;t make events, they probably wouldn&#039;t make the other 2 meetings either. If they won&#039;t make meetings to represent me, why would they deserve my vote?\r\nI gotta sleep, then drive to Louisville, ya know the show opens this morning. I&#039;m gonna have a ball!!! Hope to hear from you soon!\r\nLater, Andy\r\nDanny, there is more to the #3 episode. Personally, I feel it had an effect on the events of Nov. 8, not a major one, I have been assured of this, and I believe it. I have been told it had no effect, this I can&#039;t believe. Technically it probably didn&#039;t, I don&#039;t have data to confirm that either way, but I do have a gut feeling. I advised the President before he met with I&amp;amp;I that it would not be to our advantage to fund this project with no control over it. If we had the loan of this artifact, we could maintain some level of control over our funding, as well as numerous other factors. My feelings were if I&amp;amp;I wanted the project, let them fund it, and do whatever they want with it, leave HPOCA out of it all together. In the entertainment business we have a saying that &#039;those who pays, are those who says&#039;. After the President returned he told me I&amp;amp;I was in agreement that we should have some level of control over our funding. It did not work out like that. Maybe one day I&#039;ll talk with you about this issue, but for now the best thing to do is move on, sell the little tractors, and try to get the members money back. I&#039;m Louisville bound!\n\n[Edited on 11-2-2004 by Andy]','',0,'','4ps9x8ko',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2532,586,3,47,0,'65.238.36.14',1076508310,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey edfrazi,\r\nThe President didn&#039;t have the option at the Nov. 8th meeting to tell Sherry of that decision. I was there, not in the exec session, but at the meeting, and waited in the museum and outside. Landis was first to come out of the building, almost at a run, didn&#039;t slow down to talk. so, I knew something was up. Landis will always stop and chat a while, everybody knows that. I went back in to find out what happened to cause this. I met the board coming out of the meeting room, we all immediately went outside. Within a period of about 3 minutes, Sherry had left the premises, I had been out in the parking lot talking to her earlier for some time, if she was wanting to leave, there had been plenty of opportunity, which leads me to believe she had much more insight in the matter than I did. The question I have would be If I was in her position, knowing what I do, why didn&#039;t she grab Landis, go back inside and make an attempt to rectify the situation? Or at least wait on the rest of them. Maybe something could have been worked out.\r\nI heard Sherry is getting her own mag, that would be a better fit for her, I think it would open many possibilities for her. I don&#039;t know of any mag dedicated to memorabilia, or toys, well there might be something for toys, but it isn&#039;t big if it does exist. That would give her good expansion potential, as it is what she mainly collects. I don&#039;t see all bad, I can see some really great potential for the future!\r\nWe keep hashing this thing around getting nowhere, not going to. Sherry is moving on with her life, and justly so. She has posted that she is going to the WGT, and going to have fun, I think that would be something good for the rest of us to do.\r\nYou mention not setting well with Smithsonian, since when are they God? They took us out of the equation, not the other way around. I think HPOCA treated them very well.\r\nForgive your enemies, it drives them crazy! (Oscar Wilde)\r\nI&#039;m Louisville bound, computer off, I&#039;m out the door! Hope to hear from you soon!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','339ts4gu',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2533,601,1,187,0,'199.120.84.1',1076511182,1,0,1,0,1,0,'s104x490','oliver 70 competitors','I am doing a report in school and was wondering if anyone could help me out.  I need to know what the competitors for the Row Crop 70 were back in the day.  Basically what did John Deere make that matched up with the 70 as far as horse and such.  Any help would be great.:)','',0,'','2czo4732',1,0,'',187,0,0),(2534,602,1,257,0,'151.204.154.132',1076535354,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tip','Oliver 60 Gauges','What is the correct gauge color for an early Oliver 60 RC?  Serial number is 6002186.  The gauges in the tractor look white to me - maybe they are faded - and they look original.\r\n\r\nThanks!','',0,'','1zxum6tz',1,0,'',257,0,0),(2535,601,1,35,0,'68.155.139.123',1076535954,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Oliver 70','Maybe I can be of some help. When the Oliver 70 rolled out in 1935 as far as modern design there wasn&#039;t much competition. The 70 sported a six cylinder that had a drawbar hp. at 21, a spring and hammock seat, finger tip controls and modern appearance. \r\n\r\nThere were other tractor companies that competed for the farmers dollar. For example:\r\nJohn Deere General Purpose B a very successful 2 cyl  rated at 14 hp on the belt\r\nJohn Deere A extremely successful at approx 21hp\r\nAllis Chalmers WC  a four cyl  rated at 22 hp.\r\nFarmall F20 &amp;amp; 30 \r\nThere were others but I would say that these were the primary competitors at the point in tractor history. Others on this board may differ or may add tractors.\r\n\r\nHope this helps. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','252d48im',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2536,603,1,484,0,'205.188.208.10',1076547816,1,0,1,1,1,0,'KWF','GM 3:71','Can anyone tell me the # for a Wix or NAPA oil filter to fit a 3:71 on a Super 99.','',0,'','awhfxiwl',1,0,'',484,0,0),(2537,603,1,467,0,'205.188.209.42',1076548931,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John J','','the numbers for napa is1500 the number for wix is cs500 hope this helps','',0,'','2kdxwegy',1,0,'',467,0,0),(2538,602,1,510,0,'206.183.230.175',1076550101,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Aberdale Farm','','Are there white gauges for a 60RC?  I thought they were all yellow.  Mine are white, but I figured after 60 years they just faded out too.\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'','1oc5mxt0',1,0,'',510,0,0),(2541,594,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1076557431,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Board Members','I wish they could go back to playing with their tractors, as well, because, as directors, their decisions on governing the club were not only unwise, but not very well looked at or executed.  Had they planned, they would have been prepared for the back lash their ill decisions have created.  Let&#039;s hope they plan their restorations a little better, otherwise they might come up with a very strange outcome.  As for the directors resigning, that is an optiion, however a recall vote would be a better idea, let the members put their unhappiness on paper.  At the same time, we need to elect interim board members to keep the business running.  I believe at the winter show, the nominating comittee should be reconvened, this time during the general mermbership meeting.  Also, the general membership needs to attend the board meeting.  That way, all members can hear what is really happening to THEIR club.  .\r\nBe there at the winter show.  This will be one for the recordbooks, trust me!  \r\n\r\nEd (yes, I&#039;m Danny&#039;s OLDER brother.)','',0,'','2ccvrlsf',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2544,602,1,257,0,'24.199.87.13',1076590833,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tip','Gauges','Someone told me that the early ones did have white faced gauges - I will definitely post back when I get this sorted out.','',0,'','3hx4vnlr',1,0,'',257,0,0),(2546,602,1,407,0,'172.19.252.79',1076594779,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','colors','I know the oliver 80 models had a white faced amp gauge while the water temp and oil pressure were black, My 80&#039;s with original guages are 1946 and 1947. But my 60 is a 47 and has yellow gauges. My one 80 has never been outside overnight and has original colorful decals, paint and tires so I know fading has not gone on. I know I&#039;d be interested if one of these reproduction gauge companies would reproduce the correct ones for the earlier Olivers/ oliver hart-parrs.','',0,'','lmuihd9v',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2547,601,1,407,0,'172.19.252.79',1076596414,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','70 competition','I think probably the Farmall H (1939-53)and the post 1935 Farmall F-20 was farmalls competition for the 70.The M and the F-30 were pretty equal to the old fashioned no thrills model 80.\r\n \r\nThe case CC (1929-1938) and later DC (1939-1952)was case&#039;s slightly larger competitor to the 70. \r\n\r\nMinnieapolis Moline model R I think was molines more modern tractor of the time. It often reminds me in looks to the Oliver Hart Parr 70 grill appearance. You might want to look into the model Z too though. \r\n\r\nMassey Harris had the model 101 and the twin power challenger to compare. All of these tractors but the 101 sported the 4 cyl. engine. The 101 used a flat head 6 cyl. continental similar to the oliver 70 overhead valve continental.\r\n\r\nI know my 1940 John Deere B is comperable to my 60 but I have seen early 1950&#039;s model b&#039;s put out the same on the dyno as my 46 oliver 70. Which mine was 30 hp on the power take off. It is stock as far as I know but I believe they were rated a little less. I would say at the time a farmer would have needed an A to keep up or possibly pass a 70.  I would recommend the book of Nebraska Tests by C.H. Wendel to compare results best. Hope that gives you more than enough info to continue your project!','',0,'','3qrsadga',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2548,605,2,238,0,'205.188.209.10',1076603928,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','1936 HP 70 mag, etc','Hi, I&#039;m looking for a good mag for my HP 70. Also a set of decent fenders and floorboards.  Larry','',0,'','wvmhu2zz',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2549,606,1,510,0,'216.29.156.41',1076620194,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Aberdale Farm','1850 Reverse-O-Torque','In reading my 1850 operators manual, there is a reference to a reverse-o-torque feature, which I assume is like a shuttle transmission.  I am using my 1850 for loader work, and this sure would be handy vs. manual clutching and shifting.\r\n\r\nIs it possible to add the reverse-o-torque to my non-reverse-o-torque tractor?  How difficult would it be to do?\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'','2nvz0tyl',1,0,'',510,0,0),(2550,607,3,5,0,'216.166.192.151',1076632087,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','Louisville show','I just returned from the Natl. Farm Machinery Show this afternoon and must say how upbeat everyone was that stopped by the HPOCA booth on Wed.  NOT ONE WORD of complaint was uttered, only COMPLIMENTS and ENCOURAGEMENT!!! From the attitude of the people that stopped by, the HPOCA board is supported by the membership.  \r\n Among those working the booth were Terry Allen, Larry Gay, Jerry Ellis and his wife, and Andy Blackwood .\r\n The 2003 Show book from Penfield seemed to be the hottest item, although all sales seemed brisk. \r\n                  Jim Thurnau  (oleblu)\r\n                   HPOCA #8138','',0,'','2jm1duoo',1,0,'',5,0,0),(2551,594,3,47,0,'65.128.140.191',1076636743,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Ed,\r\nWhat I am seeing here in the website is considerably different from the input I am hearing at the Louisville Farm Machinery show. There has been many members from all across the US, Canada, and I have even talked to an overseas member. Of all of them only one comment of this situation has not been very positive, and it was not negative. From all complaints, most are coming from one geographical area, taking into account traditionally Louisville gives a good cross section of HPOCA, I feel there will be nothing out of the order at Lancaster. As a matter of fact the comments being made at our booth are largely complimentary. As far as the nominating committee, why would we need to reconvene a nominating committee when one is seated? One for the record? On what basis? It will be no different from other WGT, just a different place and time.\r\nHope to hear from you soon!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','ojsxgecw',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2553,607,3,47,0,'65.128.141.143',1076639503,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey oleblu,\r\nYou are absolutely correct, nothing has changed today, except I think the attendance was a little higher, you really got to know the quick ways to move around in the expo center, big crowds.\r\nWe have gotten many high compliments today from our members, they are very upbeat. It is good to have members like you who participate and work to build our association! I&#039;ll see you soon!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','1qgmmrnk',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2557,594,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1076656416,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Louisville Compliments','I guess this is just a grim reminder of how the club is divided.  We, on the East Coast, are very much opposed to the way the board of directors is functioning.  I guess this is fuel to feed the fires of succession.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','1byf7qje',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2558,573,6,180,0,'206.15.137.16',1076676963,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Massachusetts','','Hi Folks\r\n\r\nI don&#039;t know if anyone has e-mailed me concerning this or not, but my e-maill address listed above is no longer functional.\r\n\r\nSorry','',0,'','3gxcg1xa',1,0,'',180,0,0),(2559,594,3,360,0,'152.163.252.199',1076690423,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','I guess that the 25 to 30 people that have posted stuff on yesterdays tractor have been anything but positive and know that there are more than that out there  but these are the people that have computer access. Time will tell in how good Oliver Heriatige magazine does. Putting my subscription in the mail today.','',0,'','2pv5gcqe',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2560,607,3,360,0,'152.163.252.199',1076691139,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','That is because most of the membership has no idea what is going on because Mr. Allen has never made good on his word and put a letter in the magazine on the boards explanation on what happened to the editor and how they went about it. I don&#039;t want to be seen as attacking personally but how else do you define something that was promised and then not delivered as anything other than a lie Mr Allen.','',0,'','rh7ktj0i',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2561,605,2,65,0,'216.183.132.182',1076709643,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','70 mag','There are about 4 different mags that will work. Bill Campell has rebuilt ones  813-677-2498 in florida till april 1 then 705-488-2802 in canada after. Do you need 70 standard or rowcrop fenders / floorboards?','',0,'','10lviekm',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2563,608,6,152,0,'67.167.243.102',1076713048,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bono','Login','Anyone having trouble logging in?','',0,'','1h6213m2',1,0,'',152,0,0),(2564,608,6,152,0,'67.167.243.102',1076713639,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bono','','Nevermind, I got it. Thanks','',0,'','1zsjjt9k',1,0,'',152,0,0),(2566,607,3,47,0,'65.128.140.238',1076721565,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey edfrazi,\r\nPRESIDENT Allen has never lied to me! If you want to make direct character attacks, of a personal nature, you should have proof!!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','2ozwbohx',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2567,607,3,47,0,'65.128.140.238',1076721849,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Day 3, Louisville show, things are very positive. There was a couple of questions about the change in the mag, the members had no problem, just curious. Sales are brisk, a little ahead of normal. Renewals and new memberships are doing well, but there isn&#039;t as much free time for us in the booth to wander around.\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','266d6jva',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2569,594,3,47,0,'65.128.141.40',1076722264,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Yeah, how are they going to act face to face? Typing is easy on the internet, face to face confrontations are not so easy.','',0,'','3ba1xokg',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2571,594,3,47,0,'65.128.141.40',1076723265,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny,\r\nThe more I&#039;m out here working our booth, messing around with the other workers, the more I feel this was a necessary change, and the more I talk to Oliver folks, the more I feel this change will prove out to be something of mutual advantage. There are places that it is better for all involved to not go.\r\nHope to hear from you soon!\r\nLater,  Andy','',0,'','2faoyjlk',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2572,607,3,360,0,'68.57.197.98',1076725470,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','This is what mr allen himself said on 11/26/03 and a magazine has been published now with out and explination Direct Quote from Mr Allen: &amp;quot; I realize that many of you want more of an explanation, but that will have to follow in the proper forum, which is in the magazine. The magazine is available to members only, and not open to public scrutiny, as is this forum&amp;quot;\r\n    I am just asking for what was said that we would get and did not and have explained what that means.','',0,'','1ovd8zt8',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2573,594,3,35,0,'67.32.85.169',1076727567,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','','Andy\r\nI couldn&#039;t agree with you more! Face to face confortations are very difficult therefore I can assume that the president doesn&#039;t like these situations so he took the easy way out with Sherry. Another easy way out was not fulfilling his committment concerning full disclosure in Feb. magazine.\r\n\r\nI am sure we will hear the old excuses that either for litigation reasons or &amp;quot;we want to go ahead&amp;quot; will be the response. That is hog wash since Sherry was a private contractor the board is not held by confidentiality laws. As for wanting to go forward there are individuals that keep pushing their agenda. Keep telling yourself you are right long enough and you start to believe it. \r\n\r\nAs far as Oliver folks, there are many such as I that can&#039;t attend many meetings but we are just as committed to HPOCA and now Oliver Heritage as individuals that attend every meeting. There are not many Oliver collectors in TN and I have not talked to all of them but the ones that I have talked are very displeased and these are older collectors that do not depend on the computer.\r\n\r\nI hope HPOCA is successful at Louisville but I beleive I would hold off comments until after the mid winter meeting.','',0,'','3rgrreld',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2574,607,3,360,0,'68.57.197.98',1076731400,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Andy,\r\nI do hope that the above post was enough to back up what I said about promises that have not been carried out by the leadership. I just took a direct quote from him and posted it. Mr Allen has not been true to his word and in my book that is lying. \r\nFor you again this is his direct quote from Mr. Allen in the Explinations discussion thread from 11/26/03  and he made this to all of the membership and you are a member so therefore he has lied to you even though you do not think that he has.\r\n\r\n\r\nDIRECT QUOTE FROM MR ALLEN:\r\n &amp;quot;I realize that many of you want more of an explanation, but that will have to follow in the proper forum, which is in the magazine. The magazine is available to members only, and not open to public scrutiny, as is this forum.&amp;quot;','',0,'','3s4lsfoc',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2576,607,3,206,0,'205.245.188.216',1076787419,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Swampy','Louisville show','Sorry I didn,t get to the show because of my trucking job. Iam tired of all the stabbing and whining that,s  going on. Seams WE SHOULD GROW UP AND ACT LIKE A ADULTS .  This is a good organization and should stay so.','',0,'','1hlvk8m9',1,0,'',206,0,0),(2577,607,3,360,0,'152.163.252.199',1076791474,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Swampy,\r\n\r\nThey started this with the firing of sherry and this needs to be brought to the memberships attention and the snowballing needs to end. These guys conveniently forgot to put the explanation in this issue I am sure because they hoped people would forget about it when they were at the winter meeting.','',0,'','1q9uqumk',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2578,594,3,360,0,'152.163.252.199',1076791708,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Andy,\r\n \r\nIn response to this Andy:\r\n\r\n posted on 2-14-2004 at 01:31 AM \r\nYeah, how are they going to act face to face? Typing is easy on the internet, face to face confrontations are not so easy.\r\n \r\nIs that why Mr Allen could not tell Sherry face to face? just wondering?','',0,'','2l2guxnc',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2580,607,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1076809966,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Mr Allen and Lies','Mr Allen might not have lied to you Andy, however, as was mentioned earlier, he never cleared the air when he said he would.  Mr.  Allen, again my challenge to you is to stop being a mouse, be a man, dude, and bring the truth to light.  This is the ONLY way that I can see that the storm might be calmed.  Swampy, as for your post, we are acting like adults.  We are discussing the issues, bringing problems to light and seeking solutions.  It is the current board of directors that is hiding information, not being forthright and honest with the membership, and is acting childish.  We are a good organization, our leadership has just taken a wrong turn.  Again they need to be men, not mice.  IS THE BOARD UP TO MY CHALLENGE.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','qniwtc2z',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2581,607,3,47,0,'65.238.36.140',1076819202,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Well guys,\r\nI&#039;ll tell you like it is, since you don&#039;t seem to be able to read between the lines. Sherry did make a vailed threat against me on this website, mentioning &#039;defamation of character&#039; . I am a very small cog in this big machine, Terry is the President. I am certain he saw that post. Would it be wise for him to open himself up to legal action? I don&#039;t think so. Would he let you agg him into it? I doubt it. If you want answers call the directors or officers, their phone numbers are in the front of the latest magazine.','',0,'','1chl71n2',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2582,607,3,47,0,'65.238.36.140',1076819781,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Day 4, Louisville show,\r\nToday sales were brisk again, we probably are at or near the top sales for that event. Many members stopped by, today was busier that the previous 3 days combined, good thing there was plenty of good members around to help out. My legs are worn out from going out to the trailer for stock. No serious opposition to changes made in our organization, a few questions, mostly answered by the director, and officer in attendance. All were satisfied, mostly just curious. Great support was very obvious. It was a great show!!!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','320j49pw',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2584,594,3,47,0,'65.238.36.140',1076821138,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','First, the contract, which was written by Sherry specified written notice, not any other kind, specifically written, that was her language and what both parties agreed upon. Second, she left South Bend in a cloud of smoke, before PRESIDENT Allen could get out to the parking lot. That was after she waited until the exec session was over. I was there, it was less than 3 minutes for them to get outside, in that 3 minutes she had left the scene.','',0,'','1tizaqky',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2586,607,3,47,0,'65.238.36.140',1076824156,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I don&#039;t see it that way, a threat is a threat, whether is has basis or not, litigation is not cheap. I asked President Allen about the little tractors, the person in charge of them failed to send any, of course his family gets paid by the unit for the ones they sell and ship. I would have liked to have some there to sell, I think they would have went well. But, providing merchandise was something I had no control over, just sold what the promotion and publicity committee had provided. I saw very little or no discontent, no screaming or yelling, just a few minor questions, a couple of comments. What exactly do you think anybody would do in Lancaster? Try to replace officers? Out of Order, no previous notice as required. Disrupt a meeting? Forbidden under the bylaws. I don&#039;t see it. I don&#039;t see a problem. As far as painting a rosey picture, I&#039;m not trying to fool anybody, reporting exactly what I saw, are you wanting me to lie and say things were bad? Not going to happen, though I feel certain you would enjoy that! By the way, I brought donuts every morning, they were good, we all enjoyed them!!!!','',0,'','13gy8c7m',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2588,609,1,514,0,'12.2.216.123',1076846992,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','Oliver 880 late model need block or gas engine','I have an Oliver 880 and it has a fiberglass grill that looks something like a 1800 grill but shorter with the oliver name above.   I am wondering what year it might be.   I also need a gas engine as it has been frozen and broke.   I have thought about parting out what does everyone think?   Is this tractor rare with this style grill?','',0,'','1cvf81q9',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2589,609,1,96,0,'216.201.29.100',1076848570,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','880','Look for a serial number on the dash on the left side. The grill may have been added. Is it gas or diesel?','',0,'','cj1m4029',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2590,607,3,374,0,'152.163.252.199',1076859373,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','','First of all Andy,we should not have to read between the lines.The membership who technically operates this club should be made aware of things happening within the club on a regular basis.Lack of communication is not an excuse and better communication should be addressed in the new by-laws.Mr.Allen and company are members just like the rest of us,however,we have empowered him and a few others to represent the entire body to the best of their ability.Their responsibility is to the membership! Now that ability is being questioned.When the members ask why a decision was made we should receive a detailed,accurate account!!!!We should not have to chase them from the tall grass where they&#039;ve ran to.By &amp;quot;tall grass&amp;quot; I mean the different excuses used such as personnel file,the forum,the magazine,etc.\r\nThis should also not have to be done on an individual basis by making phone calls....A\r\ndecision of this magnitude,required a special meeting,all members should have been notified and at that time a decision made.Everyone attending or that opted to attend would have had an explanation and maybe even a appearance before the board and members of the person involved.We don&#039;t have to read between the lines,as you request on this one,if lined up you&#039;d all look like the cats that ate the canarys.The obvious personal vindictiveness displayed by the inner sanctum is certainly apparent!!!!\r\n\r\n\r\nYou all had the perfect opportunity to sell mass quantities of the toys,but someone forgot them??? C&#039;mon!! Convenience or what????Just another feather in your caps.The group wants us to move on and things like this just happen? and it wasn&#039;t who&#039;s fault?And Andy,you the Hpoca guru,\r\npseudo forum administrator,civil war historian and bottom line MEMBER,didn&#039;t voice your discontent over missing such an opportunity???How come when this was realized that someone didn&#039;t get them for the remaining days??? Let us guess....y&#039;all were just glazed over from those donuts....\r\n\r\nWe would expect our members to be much more mature in finding the accurate answers\r\nnot making a scene at a show or anywhere else we have a promotional event,but asking it in the appropriate manner,on the forum.....wrong.....from the magazine.....\r\nwrong again....or should we chase a man on a RED tractor for the answer.....C&#039;mon Andy in all of your infinite wisdom from creation,to the civil war,to the bylaws....you cannot say that something is not amiss here......As Mr.Cook says.....alot more members are now aware of the actual club happenings and behind the scene activity....\r\nhopefully they get more involved.Then again ,they may not.I was going to volunteer for your bylaws committee,as travel doesn&#039;t bother me,but,have opted to remain on the outside &#039;cause it will only be rebuked by you or the others as any comment on this forum has.......\r\n\r\nSee by painting a rosey picture,it kinda sends a message to all,that if we wear our blinders or ignore it,it will go away,in this case its not....you can lump us in a region as one of your previous posts state,but I guarantee whether here or mid-western Illinois my comments and questions would have been the same........\r\n\r\nBy the way,after reading your post and the bylaws,anything done at winter meeting is considered the annual meeting and every member was notified through the magazine,our correspondence.That is of course,because we were notified by the previous magazines,as the &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; has not been received by all yet!!\r\n\r\nBy the way,I see you are still at it with the donuts.Guess if it doesn&#039;t work in Nokomis,might as well throw them to the &amp;quot;brood&amp;quot;. If it wasn&#039;t all &amp;quot;fowl&amp;quot; ,be kinda like eating crow,eh???????    Ed Brandt:o\n\n[Edited on 2-16-2004 by NYSOliver]','',0,'','1kv9npwn',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2591,609,1,5,0,'216.166.193.236',1076864750,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','880 engine','You might try Korves Oliver in southern IL. They parted out some tractors and had good engines for sale about a year and a half to two years ago. They advertized them about 6 months after I parted out an 880. My mistake for being hasty. oleblu','',0,'','qktthxd0',1,0,'',5,0,0),(2592,607,3,65,0,'216.183.132.164',1076874361,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','THE RED TRACTOR!!!','NYSOliver : As a collector of them thar red tractors [namley cockshutts produced by oliver] I take offence to any attacks towards above said machines!! Just like people different on outside same on inside!! <!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->','',0,'','3ho4pks8',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2593,594,3,26,0,'216.176.89.158',1076874837,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','What?!','I left the meeting in a cloud of smoke?  Once again, Andy, you have come up with your own version of what happened.  Yes, I was sitting outside the entire time the board was in their closed door meeting.  I had supper plans with Landis and his driver.  Landis was the first one out the door.  When he walked down the sidewalk, I could tell he was not happy.  He walked straight to my truck and told me to get in and let&#039;s get out of here.  I had no idea what was going on other than knowing Landis was upset.  We drove out of the parking lot with me still not knowing what had happened.  If there was ANY &amp;quot;cloud of smoke&amp;quot; it was because of a high mile truck needing a set of rings.  \r\n\r\nYes, the contract called for notice in writing.  That&#039;s for legal reasons obviously.  The proper thing to do would have been to call me into the meeting and notify me in front of the board. I hardly think that they were in a rush to get out into the parking lot to notify me.  I would almost bet that if I had still been out there, they still wouldn&#039;t have said a word.  \r\n\r\nIt&#039;s about time that you stop writing your own versions of what has happened.  You have not asked my side about any of this, you just take the word of someone else as gospel or read something else into it.  Maybe you should have asked me on one of my numerous trips past the HPOCA booth this weekend.  \r\nSherry','',0,'','1srvjrry',1,0,'',26,0,0),(2594,607,3,26,0,'216.176.89.232',1076877861,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','Shame, shame','How dare you blame Landis Zimmerman for the absence of No. 3 toys at the Louisville show!  The stocking of the trailer for the show is the responsibility of the individual who has the trailer or is in charge of the display.  When a person is preparing for a show, they inventory the trailer and restock according to the needs for that particular event.  It’s called planning.  The person responsible for that show, our president, has been in charge of that job since November 8th when this was discussed at the board meeting.  There was plenty of time to restock the trailer.  The Promotion and Publicity Chairman can’t possibly know what to send unless he’s notified, especially since the trailer is 8 or 900 miles away.  \r\n\r\nToys are stocked at two different locations: eastern Pennsylvania and eastern Iowa.  Since the trailer was sitting in western Illinois, it would only make sense to me to get the stock from the souce in Iowa rather than ship them half way across the US.\r\n\r\nI can guarantee you that Landis Zimmerman would much rather have those toys sold without having to ship them.  Your accusation that he witheld the toys so that his family might profit off the shipping is absolutely ridiculous and anyone that knows that man will agree.  The Zimmermans are in the crawler business, not the shipping business.  If he has to shut down his business, which is his bread and butter, to ship toys because no one else will help sell them, he should receive some compensation.  \r\n\r\nAside from all that, Landis resigned from his position at P&amp;amp;P Chairman prior to the Louisville show. Even though he requested to be allowed to see the NO. 3 toy project through, the board refused to let him.  His hands are wiped clean of everything.  \r\n\r\nLouisville would have been the perfect opportunity to sell the bulk of those toys, especially since AGCO didn’t have an Oliver show tractor this year.  If the persons in charge really wanted this project to succeed, they would have taken at least a handful of toys.  But “success” is not a word they want associated with No. 3.  \r\n\r\nBut to blame Landis for this – SHAME ON YOU, ANDY.','',0,'','2hwoko44',1,0,'',26,0,0),(2595,610,3,372,0,'66.11.111.62',1076887019,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','Observations about politicians','My work makes me a frequent attendee of local Town Council and Village Board meetings.  When the politicians  are under fire they normally adopt one of two approches to escape the heat.\r\nApproach 1 - Use a &amp;quot;lightning rod&amp;quot;.  A lightning rod stands up and takes the heat that the board is facing.  Often the lightning rod takes a very aggresssive stance on the issue, sometimes playing fast and loose with the facts but always diverting the public&#039;s attention from the politicians.\r\nApproach 2 - Wear them out.  This technique involves letting the public yell and scream until they wear themselves out while the politicians appear to politely listen but say little.  The public often goes away discouraged thinking that they really can&#039;t fight City Hall.\r\nAny of this sound familiar to anyone.  Either some have a natural talent for this sort of thing or they are being schooled.   I am amazed at their sophistication.  \r\nLadies and gentlemen, big city politics has come to our little tractor club.','',0,'','24y0et29',1,0,'',372,0,0),(2596,609,1,514,0,'12.2.221.61',1076887798,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','880 serial number','I did find the serial number and it is 88242-8731 and the spec number is 48-0030 so after checking then numbers it is a 1960.   I am still wondering if the fiberglass grill is the orginal.    I have seen pictures of 770s with this type of grill.   The engine is gasoline.   I will try Korves tomorrow.  I hate to part it out as I have a 1947 Oliver 88 and a 1949 Oliver 66.','',0,'','ebhdpav0',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2597,610,3,88,0,'65.58.149.182',1076892202,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Another point,,,,,when politicians do this sort of thing they usually figure the the people aren&#039;t so smart. The only trouble with that theory is that sometimes they underestimate the intelligence of the average man. People don&#039;t like to be taken advantage of, lied to or ignored. Many political types have paid with their jobs for treating people that way. Just an observation, on my part, but I have seen it happen.','',0,'','3gpfy1nl',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2598,607,3,420,0,'66.201.21.1',1076893899,1,0,1,1,1,0,'A4T-2655 Oliver','Louisville show','Ouch!!!!! Andy!! Looks like you&#039;re backing yourself in a corner? Someone should have remembered the #3&#039;s instead of the donuts? The club would have benefited more from the toys instead of the donuts? Then again, ya&#039;ll might have been thinking about the privleged few instead of the whole HPOCA? Hope they tasted good!','',0,'','2qj8l54t',1,0,'',420,0,0),(2599,607,3,88,0,'65.58.149.182',1076895347,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I get the drift that Andy would prefer not to sell the toys so the project is not a success. It&#039;s easier to place blame that way, right? I mean if the toys all sold quickly and the cost of restoration was paid back, no one could say it was bad deal,,,,or am I missing something?','',0,'','2nhtzeta',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2602,607,3,88,0,'67.74.236.38',1076902202,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Yeah, I guess I missed the point. Andy is VP in charge of Donuts. Maybe there should be a poll to determine the official HPOCA donut? Now there&#039;s a subject Andy can get his teeth into,,,:P:P:P','',0,'','3gqcy0mf',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2603,607,3,88,0,'67.74.236.38',1076902355,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Well, the president couldn&#039;t find the explanation as to why he fired Sherry, I guess he couldn&#039;t find the toys either. Boy, this guy sure isn&#039;t very good at finding things is he?','',0,'','pq3w3oo5',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2604,610,3,372,0,'66.11.109.83',1076903710,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','','Good point Doug.  You are probably corrrect that the current officiers and board will be replaced over time.  The question is what kind of shape will the club be in 3 years from now when they are all gone.  That is why I still think that the officiers and board should resign for the good of the club.  It would be a way for those men to REALLY serve the BEST INTERESTS of the club','',0,'','3ay0qigk',1,0,'',372,0,0),(2605,607,3,122,0,'65.117.137.194',1076904487,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','','I figured with all those wordy posts Andy would shoot himself in the foot eventually.Looks like he did.','',0,'','pz9r39k5',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2606,609,1,96,0,'216.201.29.31',1076935018,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','880 Grill','The grill is not original. The grills were introduced to the dealers in 1963 mainly to &amp;quot;update&amp;quot; any 770 &amp;amp; 550 tractors in their inventory to have them look like the 16,18 &amp;amp; 1900 tractors. Of course the 550 &amp;amp; 770 stayed in production so those models with the fiberglass grills are more common. What kind of freeze damage does your block have? Have you ever heard of pinning a block? It is a cold crack repair method which works very well on many cracks. Send me a U2U if you want some details.','',0,'','1itlyjxc',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2607,610,3,88,0,'67.74.242.232',1076938263,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Unfortunately, the best interests of the club must not be high on their priority list. If it were, recent events would not have occurred, or at least better explanations would have been given.','',0,'','2q5xzdor',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2609,611,5,122,0,'65.117.137.156',1076962800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','Vanished Thread','Looks like the thread &amp;quot;New Club&amp;quot; with Sherry&#039;s post being the last of 21 posts dated 2/15 has vanished.???????????? The fact it&#039;s gone says quite a bit.','',0,'','24ud1eqp',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2610,611,5,65,0,'216.183.132.186',1076963950,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','OOPS!','Rockin-b :  Look under Hpoca section !!  might find the tail!!:D','',0,'','1r5m0yc2',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2611,611,5,122,0,'65.117.137.162',1076970039,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','','Hey Grant that was was a good reply about the tail, but I looked before I posted and just looked again. I must be missing something.','',0,'','9uiz86tq',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2612,611,5,122,0,'65.117.137.162',1076970528,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','','Well Grant oops again,I did find it on the Bylaws Forum.','',0,'','3lw08lz9',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2613,607,3,10611,0,'216.93.25.165',1076972132,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','Boy, I step away for a couple of days.....\r\n\r\nJust a warning everybody. Try to stay on the subject. Asking Terry for a more detailed explanation is your right as members, but you can ask this question without calling him a &amp;quot;mouse&amp;quot;, questioning his man hood or what color his tractors might be. Also, Andy&#039;s doughnut eating habits are his own business. I&#039;m sure Andy is letting this roll off his back, but to the average person that stops by this site for the first time to learn about Oliver, all Oliver collectors end up looking bad. Please keep this in mind when you make a post. Re-read your posts before you submit them.\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'','1d1bsr4d',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2614,611,5,10611,0,'216.93.25.165',1076972517,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','I just looked and it is still on the HPOCA forum. \r\n\r\nHere&#039;s a link\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://hartparroliver.org/forum/viewthread.php?tid=594\">http://hartparroliver.org/forum/viewthread.php?tid=594</a><!-- m -->','',0,'','28lypjt0',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2616,607,3,515,0,'216.43.114.136',1076976699,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Farmer Fred','Admin is the only one with sense','I&#039;ve never posted here before and won&#039;t after this, but I cant take it no more.  I guess I&#039;d call myself the average member.  I&#039;ve been reading this message board since the whole thing started.  I used to come here just to read about tractors.  I liked the magazine before, I like it now.  I&#039;ve met Sherry and I&#039;ve met most of the board members I guess.  No one ever struck me as being anything less than upfront or nice.\r\n\r\nI see how many hundred people look at these boards and then I see how many are in the conversation.  To me it doesn&#039;t seem a whole lot different than the &amp;quot;click&amp;quot; you are accusing the board of being.  I&#039;m a pretty open minded guy I think.  I try really hard not to make judgments about people until I know them.\r\n\r\nMaking comments about &amp;quot;One&amp;quot; tractor president, calling somebody mousey and making fun of the color of tractors a person has and how many do-nuts they eat is childish and it shows character.\r\n\r\nIn my mind, the board has more credibility than you, just because they don&#039;t get involved in the tit for tat.  Just my opinion.\r\n\r\nBefore you go accusing the board that the majority of the club elected into office of all the things you are, just know that I bet most of us don&#039;t appreciate it.  I sure don&#039;t.  This thing is bigger than you, me, Sherry Shafer, the board or anybody.  I&#039;m a member of the MM club too.  There are two of those because of people like you, and it&#039;s funny, most of us go the show and have fun.  I&#039;ve always watched the same little groups, like you guys or the board, stand in the corner and stir stuff up.\r\n\r\nOne side or the other just know there is a HUGE silent majority that pretty much thinks what you are doing is IDIOTIC!!!  Go ahead, ruin it for the rest of us.\r\n\r\nI really disagree with you guys on one point.  If the board had to fire somebody, to talk about the things in public that a person may or may not have done would be really wrong.  You could get sued over it and it just isn&#039;t right anyway.  If you think that you deserve that just because you pay dues, then you are just a stirer.  I own stock in my elevator co-op.  If someone at the elevator gets fired does the board tell all the stockholders exactly why?  Noway.  and thats business, its not for fun like this.\r\n\r\nRun for the board.  You can buy advertising space in teh magazine to tell folks where you stand.  Heck with some nominating committee.  Thats jus an excuse your using for not.\r\n\r\nI&#039;d guess if Sherry Shafer knew she got a bad deal, then she ought to get a lawyer and fight it.  You haven&#039;t gotten a good enough reason from the board - well I haven&#039;t gotten a good enough reason from the other side either?  If it was wrong, how come this letter about firing hasn&#039;t been on here?  Some of you guys have read it, but I guess you have to be in the &amp;quot;click&amp;quot; huh?\r\n\r\nIf the board did the right thing, then time is gonna tell.  If they didn&#039;t, I&#039;ll cast my vote against them next time.  If Sherry makes another magazine that is good, I guess I&#039;ll probably read it.  One thing I won&#039;t do though is whine about all this and tear apart a club I really enjoy.\r\n\r\nQuit bein&#039; so small.\r\n\r\nTear up this post as much as you want guys...I won&#039;t be back to this forum.  its only took me an hour to do this.  Not wasting no more time on it.\r\n\r\nFred','',0,'','2v8zcbr3',1,0,'',515,0,0),(2617,607,3,360,0,'198.77.42.234',1076977866,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','So Mr Allen what is the truth here you say that you only had exchanged a few emails with Landis and that was it. So in this few emails that you did not discuss the taking of tractors to the show and have that set up?  I guess you knew that he had resigned but was it on or before 2/4/04 (guess that we will have to ask someone else because you forget a lot). You are responsible for the planning of this trip and you forgot the tractor or is this an attempt to make this fail. You are the president of this club but can&#039;t remember to stock a tractor in the trailer? What else have you forgot? I know an explination that you promised in the magazine that has been published. So, when did you know that Landis resigned oh that is probally right you don&#039;t remember because you seem to be very forgetful. \r\n\r\nDirect Quote from the president on 2-4-04:\r\n&amp;quot;I guess I would be interested in what you are talking about, as I have not spoken to Landis recently, only exchanged a couple of e-mails. Sounds like someone must know something that I don&#039;t. Terry&amp;quot;.\r\n\r\nGuess that you forgot to ask about the tractors in these emails.','',0,'','3ale7iut',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2618,607,3,88,0,'67.74.251.207',1076979566,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','To the Administrator, You get very critical of anyone talking about the sacred board members or Andy (board spokesman) you tell us to stick to the subject and other &amp;quot;directives&amp;quot; , So, why do these rules not apply to Andy, he has made comments and accusations in his posts, but you never remind him of anything. I guess considering your job, and who gave it to you, what else can we expect.','',0,'','2mvi4vrx',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2620,607,3,67,0,'64.6.2.57',1076982609,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I stated that on 2/4 I was not aware of Landis resigning from the board. That is the truth.  I have since received a letter from him, announcing his resignation.  The letter I received was dated 2/2, postmarked 2/3, and I received it on Friday 2/6.  I did not worry about having tractors shipped from PA to sell at the Louisville Farm show.  I knew that toys were selling well, and I opted to try and push the 2003 summer show books at Louisville, as I have a large stock of them, and sales have been slow.  I am sure that we could have sold some of the toys at the show, but it would have also involved extra expense to ship them, and our booth space is limited to a 10&#039;x10&#039; area, which does not hold a large quanity.  I have no reservations that the sales of the toy will be a success for the club.  I am also looking forward to the winter convention, and the chance to support both the HPOCA and the hard work put forth by the Mason Dixon chapter to host the event.  Terry.','',0,'','53pxvexd',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2621,610,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1076987386,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Doug, You are Right','Our best interests are not at the forefront of the boards minds.  They will not be satisfied until the club is destroyed. \r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','unq70asg',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2622,607,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1076987702,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Mice vs Men','Yes I said it.  And I stand by my statement.  If the shoe fits, wear it.  I almost questioned his manhood, however I let it slide.  All the membership wants is a simple explanation from the board.  Perhaps reversal of some unpopular decisions migght also be in order, but if the explanation is enough, this might be a non issue.  Give us this explanation, and this thread will die.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','sex59ru9',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2623,614,1,56,0,'216.138.55.112',1077014526,1,0,1,1,1,1,'oliver farmer','hard to find part','was just wondering if anyone had an idea as to where i my be able to find a shutter for my 1950 88 standard deisel. the part # in the book is 1KS-1281. i have looked and asked around here locally, but with no luck as of yet. thanks in advance if any of you can give me an idea.','',0,'','i4qboyio',1,0,'',56,0,0),(2624,615,1,517,0,'141.151.39.74',1077026652,1,0,1,1,1,0,'DanS711','Oliver 60 hood','Does anyone have a decent hood for a 60 that can bring it to Lancaster for the winter get together?   If so let me know price and condition.  Trying to get this thing done by spring.  \r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nDan','',0,'','3t2gby4k',1,0,'',517,0,0),(2625,607,3,360,0,'198.77.42.199',1077060860,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Let me get this straight we have a 10X10 booth and a summer show book and how big is this book? You will have to ship the toys sometime so what is the difference. The summer show is in North Dakota and this was in Ky. Last time that I checked Ky was closer to Pa then North Dakota is. You are at the national winter show of all shows and you think that these will sell better at (people of north dakota and the ones putting on this show I mean no ill will by this comparison) at a show in remote ND. There were hundreds of thousands of people at this show and you might have ten thousand in ND what is the logic here because I do not get it. That table could have fit the tractor because as Andy said he was making plenty of trips to the van for restock. I could make various other references here but will not.  This does not add up just like alot of other things. Thanks for clearing up how you got Landis Zimmerman to resign so that someone from the clique could take his place is that andy?','',0,'','3oo3wi70',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2626,616,1,254,0,'199.224.87.54',1077071949,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 RC','I have a 1953 88 RC deisel and i know somw tractors had shutters and i was wondering if my 88 should have shutters ?\r\nGreg','',0,'','1ia45ye3',1,0,'',254,0,0),(2627,607,3,5,0,'216.166.192.226',1077073871,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','to edfrazi','You seem to be one of the most vocal people on this board. I have just two questions for you. 1)Are you a member of the HPOCA and what is your membership number? 2) What position would you like to run for during the next election? I&#039;ll do my best to see your name gets on the ballot. As much as you like to talk, you must want to be on the board. JIM THURNAU  #8138','',0,'','1s4aifm9',1,0,'',5,0,0),(2628,616,1,35,0,'67.32.85.169',1077073886,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','shutters','I think that they were an option on RC models. Our 88 RC&#039;s gas models did not have shutters.','',0,'','20edgl3f',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2629,617,2,509,0,'69.87.136.121',1077074657,1,0,1,1,1,0,'biged','got a 18-27 row crop need a few parts help please','if any one can help i need just a few parts like a mulffer seat fenders i can rebuild the old ones lot of work also i would like to find some pictures of this mod 1930 18-27 row crop dual front wheels any help will help a lot thanks rich','',0,'','2o8ybehs',1,0,'',509,0,0),(2630,607,3,372,0,'66.11.109.82',1077114262,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','','Jim,\r\n   This post is not directed just to you.  I have seen way too much from board supporters saying &amp;quot;if you don&#039;t like the way things are run then run for office&amp;quot;.   The issue here is the board&#039;s actions and statements not Ed or anyone else running for office.  Many feel that the board has taken very questionable decisions and then has been absolutely unwilling to explain the reasons.  Ed and others are perfectly within their rights to question the board&#039;s decisions.  To follow your logic I&#039;d have to run for President of the US if I don&#039;t agree with him on some point.  \r\n   There will probably be new faces running for HPOCA positions in the future.  However running for office is NOT a requirement to challenge the board and officiers on their actions.\r\n   Oh and yes I am a member of the HPOCA.','',0,'','8vf2fc9t',1,0,'',372,0,0),(2631,618,3,465,0,'207.95.174.21',1077118273,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','How about a change?','Bylaws of The HPOCA\r\nArticle IV\r\nParagraph F. Removal of an Officer:\r\nOfficers may be removed for neglect or incompetence by a three-fourths (3/4) vote at a special or annual meeting, providing that notice was given by mail to all members at their respective address not less than thirty (30) days prior to the meeting.\r\n\r\n\r\nArticle V \r\nParagraph B. Special Meetings:\r\n Special meetings of the members, for any purpose or purposed, may be called by any three(3) elected officers or by written petition signed by one-hundred(100) current voting members of the association.\r\n\r\nParagraph F. Proxy-purpose-Limits:\r\n Proxies shall be dated hand signed by the member and name of the person to whom the proxy is given. No special words are necessary. The person  named in the proxy must be present to vote. Double or second hand proxies will not be permitted.\r\n\r\n TELL ME IF WE NEED A CHANGE. Don&#039;t  lurk. U2U me if you like.','',0,'','1gauk3yg',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2632,607,3,5,0,'216.166.193.202',1077133428,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','','My suggestion of running for office would be a true benchmark as to how the overall membership feels on this issue. If that person wins the election, it would show that the membership really feels this board is wrong, or if that person looses it would show the majority of the members are not unhappy with the board. All this is based upon someone running against an incumbent. \r\n I liked Fred&#039;s note that said he had an open mind and would wait to see how things played out. Too bad others aren&#039;t so open minded. \r\n                           Jim Thurnau\r\n                             #8138','',0,'','166t68vh',1,0,'',5,0,0),(2634,619,1,514,0,'12.2.221.231',1077149883,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','1947 and 1948 Oliver 88 old style','My son and I have two old style Oliver 88s and was just wondering how many of the orginal 1300 are left.  We are in Ohio.','',0,'','24rldvkz',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2635,619,1,65,0,'216.183.132.180',1077150799,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','88 old style standard','Just got a 1948 88 standard last month. Just about all there save for original seat but in a lot of little piles! Major thing is the tinwork is all there. I was told early blocks were different from later ones? Were there frost plugs on the side of engine or am I missinformed? Mine came with Two engines plus parts but they are later blocks. We are in ontario canada.','',0,'','4t8wfnxu',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2636,618,3,124,0,'66.20.170.48',1077152596,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oliver88','','Get the petition started.  I haven&#039;t seen any explanations yet that met my satisfaction.\r\nGreg Davis','',0,'','2bosbxnd',1,0,'',124,0,0),(2637,618,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1077154554,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Agree with Oliver 88','Let&#039;s get it done.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','9hc27bbx',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2639,606,1,180,0,'206.15.137.171',1077192894,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Massachusetts','','I, too, have often been curious to know if that reverse-O-torc was a reliable unit.  As I understand it, this would be an auxilliary transmission similar to an over/under, and would be installed in the same place (this is just my impression, I could be way off base).  There is also a special foot pedal thingamabob to work it.  I would give Tom at Farmersville Equipment in PA a call (717-354-2150, I know this number by heart!), he might even have one of these units on a shelf.  He certainly could give you some advice as to how easy a swap it might be, and if it is worth it or not.','',0,'','15cllw38',1,0,'',180,0,0),(2640,606,1,12,0,'69.21.141.41',1077196706,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','','A nieghbor of mine has one in a backhoe, I don&#039;t know of any problems he&#039;s had. Yes it does take the place of an O/U or Hydrapower. It&#039;s a neat setup in the backhoe, one pedal to go forward and one to go backi also is connected to the throttle so that the more ou push the pedal the more the RPMs increase.','',0,'','1sc7mby6',1,0,'',12,0,0),(2641,617,2,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1077219750,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','biged,\r\nBob Lefever in Peach Bottom, Pa can help you out with the fenders. He does quality work in making them and I highly recomend him. \r\n\r\nI think he still gets about $390 per pair for fenders.  He also makes hoods for 18-27&#039;s. I think he gets $60 for the hood.\r\n         Bob&#039;s phone # 717-548-4131','',0,'','2mujynfm',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2642,607,3,360,0,'198.77.42.175',1077226021,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Oldblu the number is #5237 Frazier. I do not have the time raising a young family to be able to run for President. I do have the time to try and seek out the truth and answers. What is your relashionship to Mr Allen so that your true intentions are out here. I think that it is great that there are people that have the time to serve this club but just because you have the time does not make you qualified to hold an office or be accountable for your actions.','',0,'','2rliu84k',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2643,619,1,514,0,'12.2.220.136',1077227528,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','oliver 48','I will check my oliver for the frost plugs and as my engine is suppose to be the orginal.  The side shelds are different than the later olivers.','',0,'','1hwzexvr',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2644,609,1,37,0,'68.155.12.2',1077241215,1,0,1,1,1,0,'george steadman','block','I have an 880 dsl. block with a balanced crank. I want 450.00 for the pair.','',0,'','298wqhhk',1,0,'',37,0,0),(2645,607,3,88,0,'65.58.144.239',1077244294,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Just wondering why someone seems to think that if a person questions the actions of the board, he or she HAS to run for office to be credible. This theory is totally ridiculous. ANY member should be able to raise questions without placing himself in the running for elected office. This is just a tactic to try to dis-credit anyone who is critical of the board. Good try &amp;quot;ole blue, but we aint fallin for it. And yes, I am a member (#3614) and NO, for the record, I have no desire to run for any HPOCA position.','',0,'','2o2jveai',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2646,616,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1077284778,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Hey guys...pardon my ignorance, but what are you calling shutters?  I am going to feel really dumb after this one...I bet...hehe.','',0,'','irxhl7zj',1,0,'',105,0,0),(2647,619,1,105,0,'68.63.252.194',1077285087,1,0,1,1,1,0,'995Lugmatic','','Ours is an Industrial and is in really bad shape.  The engine has been sitting outside without a head on it for 30+ years so we had planned on putting a later 88 motor in it.  How different are they?  We are in Western Kentucky and Southern Indiana.','',0,'','73jl6zlj',1,0,'',105,0,0),(2648,598,2,521,0,'68.250.41.33',1077319608,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Ken Shaner','1935 Hart Parr','Tom,\r\n\r\nI would be interested in seeing the pictures of your tractor also.  I have a 1935 model also and I plan to restore it.  \r\nI have a great need for the rear wheel rims.\r\nOne is rusted completely and needs replaced.\r\n\r\nKen','',0,'','37wpxhhf',1,0,'',521,0,0),(2649,616,1,254,0,'216.37.157.85',1077330354,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88 RC','We are talking about shutters that controle the amount of air that passes trought the raidiator .\r\nGreg','',0,'','oy1wl62c',1,0,'',254,0,0),(2650,619,1,254,0,'216.37.157.85',1077330555,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','88','I have a 1953 88 RC diesel and it does not have freez plugs in the side of the block.\r\nGreg','',0,'','3v3djg4a',1,0,'',254,0,0),(2651,620,1,254,0,'216.37.157.85',1077330806,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','Oliver 990','I was looking in a magoizen of old contruction equitment and i was a oliver 990 scraper (Pan) Did oliver make alot of construction euipment?\r\nGreg','',0,'','ykbze6jn',1,0,'',254,0,0),(2652,607,3,206,0,'198.70.154.201',1077331070,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Swampy','LOUISVILLE SHOW','Frazier                                                      Seems like you have a lot of answers for the HPOCA Iam like oleblu seem you should a seat on the Board . I am tired of all the bickering about things I DON&#039;T  think you know the right answers . Lo of you are just guessing and hopeing you are right.  (#8664)','',0,'','2mxfysp9',1,0,'',206,0,0),(2654,607,3,47,0,'67.241.135.24',1077334657,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Since when do I have any control of merchandise at all? That falls under promotion and publicity The bylaws clearly state; &#039;This committee shall recommend, design, and coordinate items for the association. No other committee or board member shall move on a project without approval of this committee and the board of directors.&#039; It looks to me like inventory would fall under the &#039;coorination&#039; part. But, not my problem, I didn&#039;t have them, you can&#039;t sell what you don&#039;t have.','',0,'','16jfspxv',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2655,607,3,47,0,'67.241.135.24',1077335912,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey edfrazi,\r\nJust to clear the air, no, I will not be on the board at this time! I was asked for suggestions, my reply was &#039;Not me, at this time!&#039;. My plate is full enough now, let me clear it off some, then in 6 months or a year we might talk. Hope you understand.','',0,'','qb1e7ap3',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2658,607,3,47,0,'67.241.135.24',1077337850,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Well Danny, \r\nIf changing a statement of fact to an accusation is nice, I reckon so. It is kind of neat to see words turned around. Well, why don&#039;t y&#039;all run this show, I&#039;ll just stand back and watch!!!','',0,'','199sf77b',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2659,594,3,47,0,'67.241.135.24',1077338100,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Sherry,\r\nIf it was so important you could have stopped by and told me, since you were already there.','',0,'','vpg9p9fv',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2660,619,1,474,0,'69.11.150.108',1077345547,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jjtractors','','My grandson and I have 2 early 88s,one we will use for parts to make 1. Both have freeze plugs in the side of the block, parts one engine is stuck. The good one belonged to grandsons other grandfather who has passed on to a greater place.We can&#039;t wait to get it done.We are in Indiana','',0,'','3pb9eie2',1,0,'',474,0,0),(2665,614,1,482,0,'216.73.206.76',1077371189,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Big Ollie','shutter for 88','You might try Machinery Exchange in Bowling Green Missouri.  His email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:oliver1950@hotmail.com\">oliver1950@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','1tkvpchv',1,0,'',482,0,0),(2666,453,1,482,0,'216.73.206.76',1077371883,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Big Ollie','','I have a 5540 that is 5-16&#039;s and I&#039;ve been told by a former Oliver dealer it is an early 70&#039;s.  If it&#039;s green not red it&#039;s before 73','',0,'','3p82qg8z',1,0,'',482,0,0),(2674,622,3,47,0,'67.241.135.140',1077391433,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','Bylaws forum shutting down.','I have asked the webmaster to lock out the bylaws forum, sometime today. As time is limited before Lancaster, the committee will need time to go over your suggestions. Each suggestion is to be reviewed, then the committee will determine what works best for the organization, and put together a proposal. I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who participated in the member input phase of this committee.','',0,'','2jq3myke',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2680,622,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.193',1077400437,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','','Got it done.\r\nI&#039;m looking forward to what you will present to the club. Thanks for your time Andy.','',0,'','yfr5irc3',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2682,607,3,360,0,'198.77.42.95',1077412476,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Andy,\r\n\r\nJust looking for a clarification of this statement I do not want to make assumptions, Thanks\r\n\r\nDirect quote from Andy:\r\n\r\nI asked President Allen about the little tractors, the person in charge of them failed to send any, of course his family gets paid by the unit for the ones they sell and ship.','',0,'','210iypqu',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2684,607,3,47,0,'67.241.135.29',1077432287,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey edfrazi,\r\nI did ask President Allen about the little tractors, that is a fact, and I was told the  promotion and publicity committee had not sent any, that is also a fact, why I can not tell you, I don&#039;t know, I have this week learned of the resignation of the chairman of that committee, perhaps there was a time factor involved, or some sort of coordination problem, President Allen stated that he feels they will sell thru normal channels, so, looking at the timeline, and the fact he has not appointed another director, I guess that is his call. I would have liked to have had at least a sample to take orders from, but that is my opinion. As far as the former promotion and publicity chairman&#039;s family selling and shipping the little tractors, and getting paid by the unit, that is or was fact, I don&#039;t know how that works now, taking into consideration recent changes. Prior to these changes it was fact, it was brought up more than one time in board meetings. The way it was supposed to work, there is a S&amp;amp;H fee included in the sale price, they got this fee, they took care of orders, boxed and shipped the little tractors, after paying the costs, they got what was left over for their effort. At least that is the way I was understanding the situation. I had no input in this, and really didn&#039;t want involved, still don&#039;t. Now, with this new development, who knows, I&#039;ll let somebody else figure that out. I did recommend having someone outside the HPOCA  take care of merchandise, seems to me that might work to our benefit. I don&#039;t see how we ever had a real accurate inventory when I go thru the trailer. An example is caps, we stock 4 types, you might pull out a box marked for one type and have 3 or 4 different ones in it. That might be from saving space during tear down, but over time it accumulates. It is tough finding anybody with time to sort items, so, my opinion is to get someone outside of the association to do it. We occasionally have had items that don&#039;t make it to an event, that is not unusual. It is my feeling that if we had good stock control and inventory set up, we could do better than the current by guess and by gosh system.','',0,'','1kqz0s94',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2687,622,3,47,0,'67.241.135.96',1077467715,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Chris,\r\nYou are welcome! I am very grateful of the many comments made by our members. It is a tremendous help. I don&#039;t know what will shake out of this, the jury is still out. I won&#039;t know until we have a committee meeting in Lancaster. Once our work is done, and I can get copies of the proposal made, I will leave a supply in the HPOCA booth, for members to review. Of course, time is working against me, but, this is what I intend to do at this point.','',0,'','2zexg3ce',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2690,590,4,47,0,'67.241.135.196',1077478689,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey John,\r\nI heard that story years ago, let&#039;s see how well I can remember, it may or may not be accurate. As I recall, about the time you are speaking of, the Mailman brothers, found an aspiring socialite by the name of Hess, the same Hess of Hess Oil, who liked the liquid spirits well. They persuaded him to buy the empty Cletrac corporation, as well as I can determine he let trademarks and patents expire, and pretty much ignored the corporation. That was the end of Cletrac, except for us collectors and users. I hope this gives you something to use to advance your research. As I recall, this was one of the stories Bob Tallman told me, you might want to go back thru Bob&#039;s Tales, he could have possibly written something on it.\r\nHope to see you soon, Later, Andy','',0,'','3gly352d',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2691,607,3,360,0,'198.77.42.152',1077480649,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Very long answer that fails to answer the question of why you would accuse them of holding them so that they could make money. You posted this on sunday I believe and were at the show since thursday of that week and it never came up that Landis resigned for you to make this accusation. Mr Allen states that he knew this on 2-6-04 and this is well before the show. I find it really hard to believe your answer do to the facts as we the public are able to pick up on here as we are not in the inner circle.','',0,'','1ywdpet7',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2692,607,3,47,0,'67.241.135.79',1077485989,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','First thing I never made any sort of accusation just stated facts, you are making your own interpretation, not mine. I think that is pretty simple, cut, and dried.\r\nNext, I said I didn&#039;t know about that resignation until last week, if you knew, why didn&#039;t you tell me? Seems alot of folks knew about this and didn&#039;t say anything.','',0,'','2i4tntnq',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2693,606,1,510,0,'209.115.44.166',1077487129,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Aberdale Farm','','Thanks for the input.  I&#039;ll give Tom a call this week.\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'','24gtt27v',1,0,'',510,0,0),(2696,625,1,18,0,'24.83.181.225',1077491514,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Super 55','Oliver 11A Manure spreader','<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) --> I noticed an Oliver 11A Manure spreader in the local paper and was wondering what one might be worth if it is in good condition?','',0,'','g3xqjro3',1,0,'',18,0,0),(2697,625,1,56,0,'216.138.55.115',1077534379,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliver farmer','11A spreader','i tried to buy a model 7A spreader last fall at an auction , it went for $550.00. i thought that was a little to much. i guess it  depends on how bad you want one .hope this helps.','',0,'','3jxceyxs',1,0,'',56,0,0),(2698,626,1,524,0,'63.167.14.13',1077572178,1,0,1,0,1,0,'Frank Learned','550 trans.','550 neeeds help getting to central il.feb. or march','',0,'','pg4tky2r',1,0,'',524,0,0),(2699,627,1,524,0,'63.167.14.13',1077572585,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Learned','550 transportation','550 is in upstate ny. could probobly find a carrier from the winter show in pa.','',0,'','1l95ztlk',1,0,'',524,0,0),(2701,598,2,504,0,'216.175.47.49',1077586133,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Tom','','I haven&#039;t forgot about the pictures.  I will get as soon as possible. Thanks!:D','',0,'','32pbwlfd',1,0,'',504,0,0),(2702,628,3,47,0,'67.241.135.16',1077668671,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','See y&#039;all in PA!','I&#039;m gonna go get some chow, come back, go to bed. Then in the morning, load up, get Harley Dawg, stop in town to finish my errands, and Ephrata/Lancaster bound!!!\r\nSee y&#039;all north of the Mason Dixon line!!! Durn, that makes me feel like one of Robert E. Lee&#039;s guys, maybe Harley Dawg can be Traveler! Better go around Gettysburg!\r\nSigning out! Later, Andy','',0,'','1wo3nj6y',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2703,629,1,43,0,'158.247.216.58',1077715745,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverdude','Oliver Manuals','I&#039;m looking for original owners, parts and service manuals for my 1949 88 Row Crop. If anyone has one please contact me at 785-528-3778 or <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:olivercollector@yahoo.com\">olivercollector@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','17w10z7f',1,0,'',43,0,0),(2704,630,3,26,0,'216.176.89.11',1077718209,1,0,1,1,1,0,'sherry','Weather in PA','I arrived in PA last evening and the weather is looking good for a nice playday at Zimmermans.  The forcast for Thursday is sunny and temperatures around 40.  By Saturday temps are supposed to be in the upper 50&#039;s.  You won&#039;t need your snowboots this weekend.  \r\nSherry','',0,'','1slqcf0i',1,0,'',26,0,0),(2705,609,1,524,0,'63.167.14.13',1077718561,1,0,1,0,1,0,'Frank Learned','880 engine','I have a complete 880 engine for sale','',0,'','3kn2rou0',1,0,'',524,0,0),(2706,628,3,363,0,'68.152.9.254',1077723206,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Shep VA','','I will be right behind ya Andy.  I have to be in Roanoake Thrusday, but I am leaving first thing Friday morning with my 1850 in tow.  Should be up there before lunch on Friday.  \r\n\r\nEveryone have a safe trip and see ya soon:D:D','',0,'','1nvpajka',1,0,'',363,0,0),(2707,631,1,254,0,'199.224.87.6',1077724979,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','year of oliver plow','I found a oliver 4340 plow it is a 3 bodom trailer plows . I was wonderimg on the year cause it is green and white  like my 53 88 RC but my 88 should be green and red with a yellow grill right? hope someone can help.\r\nGreg','',0,'','261t4etc',1,0,'',254,0,0),(2708,628,3,12,0,'69.21.141.41',1077743984,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Heading out in the AM','Shep I&#039;m glad to hear you&#039;re coming and bringing your tractor, hadn&#039;t seen much of you on the YT board lately! We&#039;re leaving in the morning and should get there tomorrow night. \r\n   A neighbor of mine is coming with me, he&#039;s an antique tractor guy that has a little of everything. \r\n    Who else from the net will be there? WB.','',0,'','393abiw8',1,0,'',12,0,0),(2709,630,3,12,0,'69.21.141.41',1077744097,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','That sounds good!','Problem is I&#039;ll miss that same nice weather at home. WB.','',0,'','3kaftuey',1,0,'',12,0,0),(2710,631,1,35,0,'68.18.194.218',1077752261,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','plow','Slim, \r\n\r\nYour 4340 plow is probably a 1958-59 model and the color is correct. In 1958 Oliver went with the green/white colors on their equipment as with the 3 digit tractors. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','243iy4eh',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2711,609,1,514,0,'12.2.221.30',1077760645,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','880 oliver','I don&#039;t know what I should do as when checking the radiator it has been frozen too and will need one.   I might sell the tractor if i get $1000 for it.   Is that to much to ask as thats what I have in it.   bow','',0,'','2dnjrku6',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2712,632,1,514,0,'12.2.221.164',1077846265,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','Tractor Pull in Columbus, Ohio in April','I just thought alot of people would like to know there is a huge tractor pull in Columbus, Ohio in April.   Decalb Super Pull','',0,'','vz3v38g3',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2713,633,3,374,0,'205.188.209.10',1078015550,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','THANK- YOU LANDIS !!!!','Hey Guys.....Got home from Lancaster early this am....wanted to thank the MDOCCA Chapter for a great few days and especially Landis for another great day on Thurs.Your operation is superb,your hospitality outstanding,and as far as we are concerned there is only one &amp;quot;Mr.Cletrac&amp;quot; and that is you!!!                                 \r\n    I would also like to apologize to you for the conduct of the Board members on Thursday noon and the atrocious letter to you,penned by Jim Kline.I am very sorry that personal issues have been brought into the club,and as a man of integrity I am sure you can see beyond,this is not the sentiment of the members.You have every right to treat them as students,had they listened,we wouldn&#039;t have our current problems!!!                              \r\n\r\n Again,thank you and we look forward to a great new Oliver Heritage magazine,your input included!:):)  Ed Brandt','',0,'','vrsfd5my',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2714,634,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078027200,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','#5 missing from purposes of hpoca','Purposes of HPOCA\r\nPlease if everyone will, take note of our by laws page.\r\nArticle 1 Name &amp;amp; purpose \r\n Section B\r\n#5 To assist in the establishment of a museum dedicated to the care, display and interpretation of historical artifacts and equipment associated with the Hart Parr and Oliver companies.\r\n\r\nWhat happened to #5?  Where did it go? Only came up missing within the last month.\r\nI brought it up at our winter meeting. None of our leaders, nor any in the bylaws committee were aware it was missing. Just can&#039;t imagine where it could have gone.\r\n        I wonder how long before it is put back up. If anybody can locate #5 please return it to Article !- section B. It is obvious to me #5 must have grown legs and walked off.\r\nDanny #747','',0,'','3849x02z',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2715,633,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1078029597,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Integrity','Ed, you are so right.  Landis is a man of  unquestionable integrity.  Anyone who does question his integrity needs to only spend a day with the man to have those questions resolved.  Landis, thank you for your years of service to the HPOCA and, hopefully, when the club gets its head out of its backside, you will be willing to return.  Until then, may we wish you good luck in writing for Sherry Shaeffer&#039;s new publication &amp;quot;Oliver Heritage&amp;quot;\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','3p2rsv2y',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2716,634,3,465,0,'206.216.202.55',1078030358,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','OOPPSS!!   now just where did that #5 get off to. I thought they said it was there. Andy just looked the night before. The disappearing #5. \r\n Ranks right up there with some of the explanations I wanted to here.\r\n\r\nSomebody&#039;s got some splainin to do Lucy.','',0,'','4bg7z1ex',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2717,634,3,465,0,'206.216.202.55',1078030820,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','We are talking about the by-laws not the home page. <!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->','',0,'','1ejo8puz',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2718,635,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1078031787,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Winter Convention postscript','Well, it is all said and done, the 2004 HPOCA Winter Convention is a memory.  Like most memories there are good parts and bad parts.  Here are my observations.\r\nI got to meet many of the fine posters to the forums, so many that, if I miss you, I&#039;m sorry, my memory isn&#039;t great sometimes.  CookieOliverMan, NYSOLIVER, and others, really nice to meet you all.  Now I can place a face to the post..\r\nNext, I noticed some old boy with his dog, inside the hotel, looking at the displays.  I don&#039;t believe this was a seeing eye dog.  I should have shook this guys hand, because it takes intestinal fortitude to break health department rules outright.\r\nSkimming down the old memory bank, I was pleased to have met Ollie Shaeffer there.  He seems very much like a down to earth guy and if I ever get to his neck of the woods I want to look him up.\r\nOf course I met Sherry.  Nice person as well.\r\nThe general membership meeting ruffled my, as well as other members feathers, it seems.  I hope that there isn&#039;t a vast exit from the club, but the feeling I got after the meeting was that the general HPOCA membership was displeased. \r\nI also met the gentleman that was curator with the Smithsonian and the President of the I &amp;amp; I club.  Both of these men were very much into the restoration of the HP number 3.  Thank you gentlemen.\r\nOne of the more exciting parts of Saturday was the 2 hours that Ollie Shaeffer was stuck in the coat  closet, being grilled by some HPOCA leaders.  Thankfully the Smithsonian curator, and the I &amp;amp; I Club president, as well as many of the general members were close at hand to defend Ollie as shouting turned into pushing.  When Ollie was finally released from the closet he was unscathed and this episode gave club members the realization of how the club is operated.\r\nThe banquet was a nice event, food was plentiful and the joyful atmosphere was only briefly interrupted when club President Terry Allen got up to speak and only 1 table applauded him, being mostly those in leadership positions.  A comment was expressed at my table &amp;quot;and they think there is no problem.&amp;quot;  IMAGINE THAT.\r\nWhen Landis Zimmerman stood to speak, applause practically took down the roof.\r\n\r\nWell, enough memories for now.  Let&#039;s hear other memories from forum members.\r\n\r\nEd\r\n\r\n\n\n[Edited on 2-29-2004 by edward.tabor]','',0,'','234n2rkt',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2719,634,3,10611,0,'64.0.81.45',1078032188,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','I checked, and it is missing from the by-laws. When you mentioned them in the meeting, I thought you were talking about them being on the home page. The by-laws are exactly as Sherry had typed them up for the web site, I have not changed them. If you need proof, just pull them up and then click your right mouse button, and then click on view source. If you look at the 15-20 line areas, you will see that the file was created by Sherry, and that the last time it was modified was October 1st, 2003.\r\n\r\nWhen I get home, I&#039;ll double check the by-laws as they were printed last time they were in the magazine, and make any needed corrections.','',0,'','1za95cca',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2720,634,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1078032210,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Missing # 5','Yep, that is what we mean.\r\n\r\nED','',0,'','zikkf06j',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2721,634,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078032997,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Chris  I&#039;m so sorry. You cannot blame Sherry for this one. I looked at them in November and they were as they should be. I went back to them in early January for reference. Guess what they were changed. Sorry pal, just can&#039;t believe you.  I understand in your position you have to take orders and deny taking them. Don&#039;t get to used to it. In the end it reflects poorly on you.\r\nWhat will happen when you no longer have the Schaefers as a scape goat?\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','1becabcg',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2722,634,3,10611,0,'64.0.81.45',1078034433,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','Danny, I  was not trying to use Sherry as a scapegoat.  But I do know this, I have made no changes to the by-laws page since I have taken over. I&#039;m embarassed to say I never double checked them when I took over, but it&#039;s the truth.\n I&#039;m glad you have pointed this out, I will get them fixed when I get home to my computer.','',0,'','2rdh2syb',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2723,634,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078035006,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I am glad #5 is coming back. I have just gotten off the phone w/ Mr. James O&#039;Roark. He is the administrator of the computer system for the department of transportation. I had called him to ask how hard it would be to change the information in the source header w/o leaving your prints. He had told me anybody can do it who may be familiar with the system.    \r\nJim and I went through high school together. He knows computers better than the back of his hand. Always a real trooper when I ask him computer questions at any hour. \r\n\r\nJust bring back #5. Don&#039;t seek a scape goat.Thank You\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','1r0zm5iq',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2724,634,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078035124,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Okay we&#039;ll leave it at that. They&#039;ll be fixed!!!!!!!\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','vx2sakuy',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2725,636,3,374,0,'205.188.209.10',1078035803,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','conduct','I would like to take this opportunity to personally thank Mr.Meeker and Mr.Kline for their conduct.You really impressed people,imagine what they think when they think of HPOCA.Both of you should be removed from office,just as Sherry&#039;s contract was terminated.I sure wish there was a way to remove the &amp;quot;teflon&amp;quot; shield that protects the current board.Mr.Meeker your conduct towards Ollie today,as well,as your ridiculous letter to Landis,Mr.Kline were nothing short of imbeciles.You do not represent me or most of the other members.I am sorry,but I have to remain a &amp;quot;forum renegade&amp;quot; as you so eloquently put in your penmanship,Mr.Kline.<!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->:mad::mad:  Ed Brandt\n\n[Edited on 2-29-2004 by NYSOliver]','',0,'','34gm2y2s',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2726,636,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1078036439,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Leadership are not leaders','Our current leadership has shown little that proves to me that they have the ability to lead.    I am embarrassed both for them, but even more, for the club.  I did not see the letter penned by Mr. Kline, but if it has held up to the other activity of the leaders, then I&#039;ll bet that it was a doozey.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','3hcg0dyc',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2727,635,3,465,0,'199.35.235.246',1078038929,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','I saw the MEETING. didn&#039;t realize things got out of hand. \r\n I heard from a very realiable source that several members of the board were asking for me on Fri. Wonder if they had a closet with my name on it. Shame I did not arrive until Sat. morning. I&#039;m a wee bit larger than Ollie. Only two of them could have fit in there with me. Would have been more fair.\r\n I made my presence known to those I wanted to. Did miss a couple of you. That was me sitting with Danny and Ed.\r\n To Andy and his bylaw commitee: What a joke. Shame on ya. All the great suggestions you had and all you could do is canibalize one of them. Just galvinized my opinion that a handful of members really gets input into the club.\n\n[Edited on 3-3-2004 by Keith M.]','',0,'','222qlvt8',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2728,633,3,389,0,'64.91.68.47',1078050696,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Dean Dardwin','My response to the board of directors...','February 28, 2004\r\n\r\n\r\nHPOCA\r\nPO Box 500\r\nMissouri City, TX 77459-9903\r\n\r\n\r\nGreetings:\r\n\r\n\r\nCancel my HPOCA member ship effective immediately. Send the refund due to me at the address below.','',0,'','ntdclobn',1,0,'',389,0,0),(2729,637,3,372,0,'66.11.100.39',1078074673,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Westville1','Credit Card','Until today I had a credit card that paid a percentage of the value of my purchases to the HPOCA.  After reading below about the officiers and board behavior at the winter meeting,  I decided that there are much more deserving organizations for that support.','',0,'','24b6ksm8',1,0,'',372,0,0),(2730,638,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078084647,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','by-laws','I see no where in the by-laws that mentions how HPOCA will be despersed should HPOCA fold up. I believe it should be established now. Also what will qualify as the end of HPOCA.\r\n If a certain percent of HPOCA members drop their membership will this mark the end of HPOCA. \r\nWe need to set some guidelines for this. \r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','1hqre398',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2731,635,3,88,0,'67.74.251.172',1078093597,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I was at Zimmermans on Thursday, a very nice day, (of course any day with Cletracs is a nice day for me) I did not stay for the meeting, and by the sound of what went on there, it&#039;s probably better I did not. I dropped in on Friday for a while and got to meet some of you. Sorry I did not get the chance to meet more of you. I did have the &amp;quot;pleasure&amp;quot; of meeting Andy, and his side kick &amp;quot;Harley dawg&amp;quot; Certainly an interesting experience, one I will not soon forget. I honestly don&#039;t have the stomach for the kind of things that are going on with this organization. Sad to see what power hungry jealous people will stoop to. To defame a good mans character and tell lies and half truths about good hard working people is not what this type of organization should be about. But, sadly that appears that is what it has become.','',0,'','vxzyb3g8',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2732,635,3,360,0,'198.77.42.213',1078094864,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','It is good to see that our leadership has brought pride to the organization. Wasn&#039;t andy the one that said that there were rules for conduct at the meetings and show, but I guess that they will only apply to the non clique members or forum renagades and I like that moniker. Guess that I should not have went to the auction which went good prices were good. I guess that the smithsonian will be giving HPOCA preferential treatment in the future.\n\n[Edited on 2-29-2004 by edfrazi]','',0,'','29qjbsdv',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2733,635,3,88,0,'67.74.251.172',1078095555,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','ED,,,,, did you notice how much the Oliver OC-3&#039;s went for at the auction?','',0,'','uy0yof31',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2734,639,3,88,0,'67.74.251.172',1078096016,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','FORUM RENEGADES','Hey,  I consider that a compliment. It&#039;s similar to what the British called the men who founded this country. I sort of think that puts us in rather good company, Don&#039;t it????','',0,'','3gii2qgc',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2735,639,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078096737,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I agree but what do you call men who surround and trap a smaller man in a coat closet. Maybe .....Oh yea I can&#039;t say that on this forum.\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','1h7go97a',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2736,639,3,360,0,'198.77.42.213',1078097749,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Glad to see that he got out with the help of the Smith people and guess that HPOCA will get a lot of stuff from them for the museum that they want to build.','',0,'','16tffz0s',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2737,635,3,360,0,'198.77.42.213',1078098143,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','This is the results for the miller auction in pa. The pictures looked better than the tractors did in person. They said restored but they looked like they were painted with a brush.\r\n\r\n75 $1400\r\n105 $2450\r\n105 $1300\r\n105 $1400\r\n55D $1650\r\n77 parts $725\r\nHG $1600\r\nHG $2200\r\n70 parts $100\r\n77 Parts $100\r\n70 $2200\r\nOC3 $2400\r\nOC3 $1900\r\n88 $1600\r\n440 $6500 Was told that some millonaire&#039;s brother bought this because he started it out at 6500 and no other bids.\r\n77std $1700\r\n66 single wheel $1850\r\n880 $3250\r\n105 $1700\r\n125 $1450\r\n125 $3500\r\n77 Single wheel 1100\r\nOC3 $1700\r\n70 parts $450\r\n77 parts WFE $725\r\n77 parts $400\r\n88D $1600\r\n77 STD orchard D with out most of shields $1600\r\n1600 Hicrop $4800\r\n77 $1500\r\nS66 $1600\r\n770 $2250\r\n145 $3500\r\n77 orchard $7400\r\n770 wheatland $3500\r\n77 $1200\r\n66 $1150\r\n66D $4500\r\n70 parts 200\r\n70 parts 200\r\n1250 $3100\r\n88 $1400','',0,'','17go4rfs',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2738,640,1,360,0,'198.77.42.213',1078098287,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','Miller auction results in PA','This is the results for the miller auction in pa. The pictures looked better than the tractors did in person. They said restored but they looked like they were painted with a brush.\r\n\r\n75 $1400\r\n105 $2450\r\n105 $1300\r\n105 $1400\r\n55D $1650\r\n77 parts $725\r\nHG $1600\r\nHG $2200\r\n70 parts $100\r\n77 Parts $100\r\n70 $2200\r\nOC3 $2400\r\nOC3 $1900\r\n88 $1600\r\n440 $6500 Was told that some millonaire&#039;s brother bought this because he started it out at 6500 and no other bids.\r\n77std $1700\r\n66 single wheel $1850\r\n880 $3250\r\n105 $1700\r\n125 $1450\r\n125 $3500\r\n77 Single wheel 1100\r\nOC3 $1700\r\n70 parts $450\r\n77 parts WFE $725\r\n77 parts $400\r\n88D $1600\r\n77 STD orchard D with out most of shields $1600\r\n1600 Hicrop $4800\r\n77 $1500\r\nS66 $1600\r\n770 $2250\r\n145 $3500\r\n77 orchard $7400\r\n770 wheatland $3500\r\n77 $1200\r\n66 $1150\r\n66D $4500\r\n70 parts 200\r\n70 parts 200\r\n1250 $3100\r\n88 $1400','',0,'','a8126lel',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2739,640,1,35,0,'68.18.194.218',1078102141,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','auction','Were the lawn and garden tractors in good condition?','',0,'','188wrv9k',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2740,619,1,374,0,'205.188.209.42',1078102469,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','old style 88','Have one here in upstate NY....mid-restoration(1947)','',0,'','2gl39ao0',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2741,639,3,88,0,'65.58.151.19',1078103867,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Danny. Maybe the word &amp;quot;lynchmob&amp;quot; would apply, I mean if such a thing were to happen','',0,'','3ifn1q9k',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2742,635,3,420,0,'66.201.21.29',1078104330,1,0,1,1,1,0,'A4T-2655 Oliver','','Hello from Texas:  Was curious to see how many people were in attendance at the winter meeting? Also, how many were at the banquet? Have never been to one! Just wondering? A4T','',0,'','2l7jk416',1,0,'',420,0,0),(2743,640,1,360,0,'198.77.42.111',1078107493,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','yes and no some were decent and some had rust. two of them had a tractor run in to them on friday when someone tried to start one and did not check to see if it was in gear and the dented the backs of them. they had them sitting in between the big tractors. I guess from what some of the guys said they almost ran over themselves.','',0,'','ef946fkq',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2744,606,1,360,0,'198.77.42.111',1078107769,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','we have a 2-78 (1655) with one and it is great. Have not had any problems with this. I would call Maibach&#039;s in ohio they are better with prices than farmersville in my opinion and experience.','',0,'','go54rhq6',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2745,635,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1078108661,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','A4T-2655 Oliver','The meeting had, perhaps 75 or more in attendance.  The banquet, although I don&#039;t have exact numbers, perhaps had 200+ (standing room only).  I had a damn good time, I only wish there wasn&#039;t the controversy surrounding it.','',0,'','qphyerkc',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2746,637,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1078109140,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Percentage','I&#039;d much rather donate my funds to the local fire department or myself, as I do with my Discover Credit Card.  The HPOCA has lost my respect.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','pqrgbjah',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2747,633,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1078109305,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','SEE YA','Dean,\r\nYou have taken the initial step, I, and others, will soon follow.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','d8qi1yrx',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2748,638,3,47,0,'67.241.135.1',1078125225,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','No Danny, \r\nThat is not something for us to deal with. That IS an IRS matter, as we are a 501(C)3 non profit corporation, this is spelled out in the IRS regs.','',0,'','npjdybf8',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2749,635,3,47,0,'67.241.135.1',1078127261,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Keith M.,\r\nApparantly you have no idea how a committee works. There are certain things a chair can or cannot do. The chair can set the agenda, debate issues, and keep the discussion on the issue being debated, the chair can bring issues to a vote, or table them. A chair can not tell the committee members how to vote, nor can a chair determine how or what the committee will discuss. Committee members have a vote, the chair does not, except to break a tie vote. There were no ties. The function of the chair is to preside over the meeting, not to dictate to the committee. I did exactly as I told the members I would do, which was to submit each and every suggestion to the committee. As far as shame goes, it is shameful to blame without evidence, only suspicion, and I will not share your shame. The good thing is there is a rough draft, it will be completed at the Summer Show. Which means I don&#039;t have to deal with it until then, which means I can leave this durned computer turned off and do things I enjoy!!!!!','',0,'','2qlxqmje',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2750,635,3,47,0,'67.241.135.1',1078128022,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey edward.tabor,\r\nWasn&#039;t it announce that 466 banquet tickets were sold? Or something in that neighborhood. I remember the emcee told us it was the 2nd biggest WGT banquet.\r\nI can agree about the controversy. It cost me alot of money to take off from work, and expenses. I had no fun from the time I left Landis&#039; until the banquet, but I did luck out and got a seat by some really good folks from PA. Kind of changed things, that was a blast!','',0,'','rujqvtbj',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2751,635,3,465,0,'207.95.173.96',1078171554,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','Andy ,\r\n  Obviously the only committe and board you have ever worked on is afraid to let the membership think for itself. Although I have never been on a board of directors I have worked on several committees for my  union local and church.\r\n Yes when working on some committees some details need not be brought before the membership as a whole. But when working in the abstract,(by-laws) and after publicly asking for suggestions, I think the committe should have come forward with some of the suggestions. I stood and asked the very thing. You could not even do that. You had one of the other committee members proclaim  that only one of the suggestions received was worth  mentioning, and only after it was reworked to your liking.\r\n I have not figured it out yet. The dinner was not for several hours. What was the damn hurry to get the meeting over with. Seemed to me you all wanted was to get off the hot seat in a hurry. Guess the board was concerned about a [b:p45kv925]Renegade[/b:p45kv925] uprising.\r\n That meeting just proved to me the arrogance of the board and the need for them to step down. \r\n Many of the members I spoke to are considering letting their membership lapse. I was told that at least two chapters are going home to discuss withdrawing from HPOCA. I can only say I can&#039;t blame you, but don&#039;t do it. There is a movement starting within the club that intends to replace the current board. We will run canidates to replace them. This movement is in the early stages but we do intend to place members on the foundation board to start. My email is on my profile and anyone who cares to stand with the [b:p45kv925]Renegades[/b:p45kv925] is welcome to discuss your concerns. [u:p45kv925]We will listen.[/u:p45kv925]','',0,'QQ==','p45kv925',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2752,635,3,423,0,'0.0.0.0',1078178936,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Brad A','Another Renegade','I have watched and said nothing as this whole thing has unfolded over the last couple of months. I figured that I would go to Lancaster and see for myself just what was going on. I had the opportunity to visit with quite a few friends, old and new. We talked about Olivers, Cletraks and of course Hart Parr #3, but it seems that the conversation always turned to politics. After seeing first hand how the board acted at Mr. Zimmerman’s and their refusal to deal substantially with any of the bylaw issues I need to officially add my name to the RENEGADE list.\r\n\r\nBrad Austin #6572','',0,'QQ==','2rxvqqgs',1,0,'',423,0,0),(2753,635,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078181233,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Andy,\r\nYou are excactly right. It was said it was the second largest Winter get together. No thanks to the current board.\r\n MDOCCA recieved dozens of calls every day from November on. From people saying they will not come because they do not wish to support HPOCA. I would like to thank Landis for convincing many of those people into coming. I would also like to thank MDOCCA president Don Moore, V.P. Bill Mantz, well heck the whole MDOCCA chapter for offering a good time to everybody. I saw alot of faces of people who originally wasn&#039;t going to come.Thank you for coming and supporting MDOCCA.\r\nAndy If you did not have a good time I&#039;m glad for you. You said you were coming as General Lee. He didn&#039;t have a good time in the north either!!!!\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'QQ==','xnlx9wpa',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2754,606,1,510,0,'206.183.230.110',1078188579,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Aberdale Farm','','Do you have a phone number or address for Maibachs?\r\n\r\nDale','',0,'QQ==','2eoxdyat',1,0,'',510,0,0),(2755,635,3,47,0,'67.241.135.72',1078189549,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny,\r\nOnce again you amaze me. You have done something I would never do, that is to say you are glad another member didn&#039;t have fun at an HPOCA event, and it doesn&#039;t matter which member it is. As to General Lee, once again you got things turned around, what I said was perhaps I should come as one of Robert E. Lee&#039;s guys. I didn&#039;t need any shoes, so I went around Gettysburg. By the way, General Lee had a wonderful time in Maryland. I was considering simply not meeting with the bylaws committee any more, thus it would die no action taken at the end of President Allen&#039;s term. That would settle the issue of discharging my duty. I have this thing about discharging duty, once a duty taken, to resign is never an option for me. But I got a wonderful u2u from a young member, who understands that you go into committee hoping for great things, if you can get one or two it is great, anything more is gravy. As a result of this members comments, I am encouraged to go on, and finish this project. At least one young member recognizes that I have put alot into this effort, this member will not hang me out to dry, while I am working to give him something better than he has now.\r\nOh, I forgot to tell you, the reason I don&#039;t have fun was the 3 piles of papers I had to get the committee to read, and all the debating that we did in my room, we didn&#039;t get a proper meeting room as I requested and was told would be arranged at the Nov. board meeting when I formally took this duty. At that time the job was much simpler, changing addresses things like that, now, it has become something I didn&#039;t expect to say the least. I guess while I was working, much of those two days, y&#039;all were having fun. The highlites of my trip was Landis&#039; play day, and my visits to the American Legion Posts in Carlisle, and Lancaster. I hope you had a great time!!\n\n[Edited on 2-3-2004 by Andy]','',0,'','3nvx1762',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2756,641,3,472,0,'216.28.211.26',1078190384,1,0,1,1,1,0,'deaner','MAR/APR magazine','Not trying to stir the stuff, but is the next issue of the magazine going to be ontime or will it be late. I am just wondering. Thanks, L Hardin #8243','',0,'','2s5uikph',1,0,'',472,0,0),(2757,642,3,374,0,'64.12.116.204',1078190500,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','ANDY,ANDY,ANDY.....lets review','Didn&#039;t this bylaw thing really start to take off around 11-27-03 or 11-30-03.I assume it suddenly became a bigger issue with the controversial dismissal of Sherry....\r\nBill Brandt ask a question...confirmed by Chris....Frank Dodson&#039;s accurate observation,your response of your interpreted duties of only setting the agenda,bring issues forward,etc.,correct?\r\nSupported by Harold....and then directly from you...&amp;quot;THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO GET MEMBER INPUT AND YOU CAN&#039;T OVERSTRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF MEMBER INPUT.I THINK WE CAN CUT DOWN 4 OR 5 YEARS TO A COUPLE OF MONTHS.&amp;quot;\r\nIan C...had good ideas....defeated by you...\r\nWhy is it that these ideas are not brought to the committee in raw form,but reworded,reworked,reopined each time by you??\r\nTerry agrees next....then your patsy....\r\nCanada Grant gives a few great ideas.....\r\nTerry responds again with accuracy.....\r\nEd Tabor responds with a good idea.....\r\nand lo and behold what happens then.....the connoisseur of fine bylaws jumps right back in.....defeating each aforementioned idea....All were brought up to the committee as you said were your duties,correct?? NOT!!! And then they were brought to the members.....by the time the interested members get them,they&#039;ll have moss growing on their north sides!!!\r\nWhy do you think people do not want to get involved?Or in your suave terms &amp;quot;don&#039;t feel they have a dog in the fight&amp;quot;.They obviously don&#039;t ,their ideas plundered by you,echoed by Kline in the thread,and then nothing happens ,just like Saturday.\r\nThree months(your own words) is ample time to have a working presentation,\r\nconsidering the current problems and all the\r\nsuggestions you received.DID YOU??\r\nSaturday everyone sat there waiting for your presentation as the committee chair...why did it not happen?? Were you stifled by the Board also??\r\n\r\nNow you see why members do not want to get involved with any aspect of this current operation.....we can&#039;t get an accurate explanation....we can&#039;t get our suggestions\r\npresented....we can&#039;t have a great club with some of the leaders we have now.....they have been fortressed in their positions or coated in teflon.\r\n\r\nI certainly hope that the Great Plains chapter takes the necessary steps to eliminate the potential regretful and disappointing conduct displayed by our leaders in Lancaster.Even though I am very ashamed of the Board, I am looking forward to their(Great Plains) show in August....even driving 2000 miles.   Ed Brandt\r\n\r\nPS Why didn&#039;t you sit down in the lounge with Cookieoliverman and myself?? We wouldn&#039;t have given you a blanket party or taken you to the closet.\r\n\r\nHow come everyone else at Landis&#039;s got mud on their pant legs and you went unscathed?? \r\n\r\nAnd you got to lift Harley into the car not BOOT HIM!!\n\n[Edited on 3-2-2004 by NYSOliver]','',0,'','1tbcardy',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2759,641,3,88,0,'65.58.148.177',1078190905,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Do you even have to ask???? I mean with such a slick &amp;quot;well oiled&amp;quot; machine as the HPOCA has been these days ,,,,how could the magazine be anything but right on time...','',0,'','gkokylsp',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2760,641,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.28',1078192301,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','','The magazine is on time, but with a new schedule. From now on, all issues will be mailed by the 15th of the first month listed on the cover. \r\nDriveline Publications arranged this date with the printer they use. They have a good relationship with this printer, but had to work with their schedule too. If the printer is busy printing someone else&#039;s magazine on the 1st, then we can&#039;t have that day. That other magazine wouldn&#039;t want to be bumped no more than we would. \r\n\r\nPart of Driveline&#039;s contract with the HPOCA is that they get to choose which printer they use to print the magazine, that way they can maintain the quality. The magazine will always be every two months, it will just be mailed on the 15th instead on the 1st. I think this is a small concession to make to have the magazine we do now.\r\n\r\nPlease note the new deadlines in the March/April issue. We will now have 2 deadlines. The ones for the May/June issue will be March 25 for articles and letters, and April 5th for classifieds and all advertising. This will give everybody a little more of a chance to get those ads in. I will be updating the deadlines on the website in the near future.\r\n\r\nAs a side note, we proofed the latest issue on our way to Lancaster. This put it done ahead of schedule. All it is doing is waiting for it&#039;s time on the printer.','',0,'','3ei5836s',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2761,635,3,360,0,'198.77.42.88',1078193884,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Was that good time before or after the raiding party the the board proformed to ruin landis&#039;s day.','',0,'','3nm8sf2r',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2762,634,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.28',1078195096,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','','Well, I decided to double check my facts. Just as I had stated, the by-laws are exactly as Sherry typed them up, because she typed them up correctly. There never has been a #5 in the name and purpose section of the by-laws. Please pull out your September/October 2000 issue of the HPOCA magazine and turn to page 44. The newly adopted by-laws were printed in the magazine at that time.\r\n\r\nAfter posting the other day, I remembered when the #5 was added to the mission statement in the magazine, and that it was odd, since it wasn&#039;t in the by-laws. But I also wanted to see a museum someday, so I didn&#039;t complain.\r\n\r\nAnd your friend Jim is right, the header could have been changed. But this time it wasn&#039;t. \r\n\r\nIf anybody has misplaced their Sept/Oct 2000 issue, we have all of the back issues, and they are for sale at the great price of $3 each, plus $2 shipping for the first one, and $1 shipping for each additional magazine. You can send orders to our address as it was printed in the magazine. Please check the magazine page on this site for availability.\r\n\r\nI have attached a scan of the first page of the by-laws as the were printed in the magazine. I would think that they would be the official version, since that is what the members voted on.','',0,'','2fxrfd5j',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2763,642,3,47,0,'67.241.135.72',1078196556,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey NYSOliver,\r\nI wish you would have invited me to your table! I normally refrain from just sitting down at any table, it could be embarrassing. I didn&#039;t care much for the closet thing, I saw it, a bunch of grown men in the closet arguing, watched for a minute or so, then outta there, nothing I want. I had been at Jenna&#039;s diner on the other side of town, eating brunch with Paul Rode, we had been working all morning on the bylaws, had to go eat. Paul got a phone call that Ollie and Darius Harms had Jim Muhs cornered, and was giving him a hard time. We had to go back, when we got there, nothing but grown men arguing like a bunch of school kids. I told Paul we needed to get back to work on writing the language for the bylaws changes, he agreed, we left. But, I agree, it didn&#039;t look good, I don&#039;t know what started it, don&#039;t know what they did, and don&#039;t know what the conclusion was, and really could care less, that is their business. The formal date on the bylaws committee was Nov. 8. The issue with Sherry did have some effect, some input, and some issues to look at. But, it did stir up an atmosphere of controversy, which can never make an effort of this nature easier. Then the magazine was later than expected, which may have made a motion to put the changes on the ballot illegal, due to the previous notice requirement. Then add in the effect all this will have on finding willing candidates, and it just makes the job that much tougher, it was really hard to sell the electing directors issue, nobody wants to run. I talked to about half of the board about this, all of them told me that once their term expires they have no intention of seeking another. My observation is, 1 1/2 years ago, there was 3 candidates for President, one dropped out, and 2 for secretary. If we had members willing to hold office why wasn&#039;t there 4 or 5 for each position? Why is it that when I ask a member if they would be willing to serve the answer is almost always an excuse or negative? At this time the only place I can think of that could be a bigger pain than on bylaws is to be on nominating. NO,NO, NO, I will NOT serve on that committee!!!\r\nAs to the suggestions being brought out to the committee being in raw form? I printed all them directly and as they were from the thread, that is how the committee got them. I don&#039;t have time to edit and condense them, nor did I want to. The committee got everything in the same form I did, duplications and all.\r\nAs far as the final draft of the bylaws changes being ready for the meeting, impossible! Things were more difficult, more issues than expected, and nothing went smoothly as expected. Not only that, not necessary, the committee is still working in a few issues, I put in over 11 1/2 hours of MY WGT time on this, I PAID MY OWN WAY, nobody including yourself gave me one red cent, I wouldn&#039;t accept it anyhow! Since nobody is paying me, nobody gets to tell me what to do, that is the bottom line.\r\nI haven&#039;t unpacked yet, but I will check the pants leg on the jeans I wore that day, normally I don&#039;t try to get mud on my pants, just my shoes, they got plenty.\r\nHarley Dawg is very able to get in the car by himself, he climbs into my semi by himself. For some reason he was not normal at Landis&#039; probably the excitement. As he gets older, he does better in a quiet environment. When he got back home last night, he was perfectly calm, I guess familiar surroundings.','',0,'','3m2ylb0y',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2764,635,3,65,0,'216.183.132.192',1078197954,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Raiding Party','Was I at same place?  Played on good canadian cockshutt  OC4 , looked at Landis&#039;s collection ,both better used and working restored items , purchased parts I had ordered ,enjoyed lunch with good discussion reguarding bylaws with Andy and thougherly enjoyed ourselves! thanked Landis and family and then we left to tour New Holland factory. [good tour]  It was a group of people enjoying themseves on a sunny spring day that I saw!','',0,'','cy1dw2ew',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2765,642,3,65,0,'216.183.132.192',1078198776,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','bylaws','What I heard from the third row at the meeting was a definate move towards  changing the bylaws to a more member friendly orginization. Chapters are getting a voice with a board member, board will be elected by the members with a rotation on and off board , and the members will get a vote on the changes to the bylaws. No-one can reinvent the wheel overnight it takes time. If you didn&#039;t like what you heard Andy and other bylaw commitee members were there and I talked with them reguarding the changes both before and after the meeting..  And they are still available to hear further constructive ideas.  But in the bar?? sorry not the right place [and I like my rye as much as the next guy!] Also they will be posted here and in the magazine for further study.','',0,'','3840lqpv',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2766,635,3,47,0,'67.241.135.72',1078199124,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey edfrazi,\r\nI would agree with Canada Grant. Was I at the same place? I was told Terry had made arrangements with Landis to pick up HPOCA inventory that day, and that Terry would have to provide loading. That is very normal, and no different from changing where the trailer is kept, the inventory goes with it. As I understand it, Landis, no longer wanted inventory in his possession. So, arrangements were made to pick it up. I didn&#039;t see them come and load out, probably having too much fun!!','',0,'','1cwnyp1o',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2767,644,3,47,0,'67.241.135.224',1078201093,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','Warning!','This morning I got a phone call from a person who claimed to be AT&amp;amp;T. This person spoke with broken english, and with an accent normal to what someone from arabia, or the middle eastern countries would use. He wanted me to pay my AT&amp;amp;T bill of $10.95, and &#039;take care of it over the phone&#039;. This threw up red flags everywhere! As I wish my phone bill was that low, and I had gotten my bill about 10 days ago, and had paid it at that time. I contacted AT&amp;amp;T and was told that they hoped I didn&#039;t give this individual any financial info, CC#, or bank account#. I hadn&#039;t! It isn&#039;t the $10.95 that is the problem, it is letting them have access to your accounts that is, they can clean you out! Watch out for this scam, it might be how the radical muslims are raising funding to attack innocent people again. I will be in contact with the proper authorities, but for now, please be careful!!','',0,'','1eoq1km9',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2768,635,3,374,0,'64.12.116.213',1078201489,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','same place','Yup....we were all in the same place......and we were all having a good time with the crawlers,etc.....my son of course having a better time digging with real toys.....\r\n\r\nBut there was a time and place for that to occur,not midday on Landis&#039;s day......we were told that Landis was told when it would be picked up....maybe rather than go after Ollie it would have been a good time to go collect....these same sentiments were offered by the sponsoring chapter....Ed','',0,'','ze07qvzi',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2769,635,3,47,0,'67.241.135.224',1078203250,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','You might have a point. I know there was some sort of arrangements made, Landis would not load, but would have the merchandise ready. I expected them to come early, that is what I would have done. But, most folks don&#039;t do as I would, but if they wanted to do that it would had been better to get it before people were there. I think someone told me that Landis specified what day, or days this would be available. I don&#039;t know, I told some of the board that I was not going to mess with it. It was their baby, they took care of it. Saturday morning would not have worked, they needed the merchandise to sell, and sold a bunch of it. I don&#039;t care who went after who, I had my meal interrupted for nothing. When I was a kid, I would get into fights with my brothers. Sometimes our parents would lock us in a room, and we didn&#039;t get to come out until we had beaten each other up. All three of us had to come out whooped, or we all three stayed until we were. That situation looked pretty even matched to me when I stopped by. Maybe we should have locked all them in a room, and nobody comes out until they are all beat up. It worked on me and my brothers, it didn&#039;t take too long before we realized that by fighting it would not be attention we would get, but injury and pain. The folks didn&#039;t care which of us were at fault, we all got it.\r\nI am glad your son had fun playing in the dirt. It is good to encourage young folks, I don&#039;t like subjecting them to so much controversy. But, then again, this is the real world.','',0,'','13qkmduy',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2770,635,3,360,0,'198.77.42.83',1078234403,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','Obviously this board does not care what they do and will do what ever they can to ruin or destroy some one that goes against the clique. Mr Meeker (which I find funny is the chairman of the membership committee, I guess that all members need to be taken into the closet to be interigated and I also wonder if Mr Meeker decided to sign up the Smithsonian reps for membership in HPOCA) decides to go after a past president of the club who was against there clique. Just glad to see that the board showed itself.','',0,'','3mt4n8of',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2771,635,3,47,0,'67.241.135.3',1078237052,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey edfrazi,\r\nWe are in agreement over much of that situation. I feel it was in the wrong place, and handled inappropriately by both sides. I haven&#039;t tried to find out what it was over, and don&#039;t care. Something of that nature, and especially in the volatile environment we have seen, should have been taken care in private. If they didn&#039;t have a private place to do that, they should have asked, I would have given them my room key. I feel both sides were acting like a bunch of little kids. Unless I know more about the situation, I blame all of them, not just one, or a group, they all are supposed to be adults, and should act like it!','',0,'','2jyr2gwu',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2772,641,3,9,0,'152.163.253.3',1078237641,1,0,1,1,1,0,'super99gm','','Was this change to the 15th approved by the membership?','',0,'','3t7a3a3b',1,0,'',9,0,0),(2773,641,3,47,0,'67.241.135.3',1078238791,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','No there wasn&#039;t. There was no objection voiced at the membership meeting. No motion made contrary to the proposal, nothing. That would imply consent. Without a motion of objection, in parliamentary procedure, consent is implied.','',0,'','2uzwnosm',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2774,635,3,407,0,'172.19.252.231',1078240965,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','highlight','I don&#039;t know if anybody made it down to LeFever&#039;s on Sunday but I went Saturday afternoon picked up some fenders and helped him get some tractors out before the banquet. Seeing another 30-60 HP as well as many others was the highlight of my trip. I was in the barn and was wishing I had my camera as the late afternoon sun on a 28-50 Hart Parr in the barn door looked beautiful. Got to see some wierd tractors down there as well as drive a few. Wish I had his main building! Seeing old Hubers, Hart Parrs and others made my trip though. It was a nice quiet spot that afternoon. I left Sun morning at 5 am to miss the traffic, I was suprised how busy the roads are down there.','',0,'','jp221ya7',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2775,635,3,360,0,'198.77.42.120',1078243628,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','I am glad to see that you agree on that and this is just another sad chapter and now the whole blame does not have to go on to Mr. Allen there are other and  the whole board acts in this way and that is why such a good man as Landis left the board.\n\n[Edited on 3-2-2004 by edfrazi]','',0,'','1m1x15et',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2776,572,1,528,0,'64.12.116.213',1078259586,1,0,1,1,1,0,'stulynch','','For your info. there is a 4-150 on ebay.','',0,'','1zegjs5i',1,0,'',528,0,0),(2777,619,1,514,0,'12.2.221.9',1078263967,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','47 and 48 oliver 88 engines','I checked my block and it does have one freeze pug behind where the carb sits.   The block number is K-100 A.    I hope this helps you.   I do know the shields are different than the latter 88s.','',0,'','oiyr3dlv',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2778,641,3,9,0,'205.188.209.42',1078267824,1,0,1,1,1,0,'super99gm','','Andy, what would we do without you? It seems you have an answer for everything that comes up.','',0,'','guqtfwhm',1,0,'',9,0,0),(2780,641,3,88,0,'67.74.252.30',1078269554,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I would say you are right (about Andy) the only problem is Andy doesn&#039;t always have an &amp;quot;answer&amp;quot; to everything. What he does have is a comment or remark for just about every post we see on here. Or is it really Andy?????? Could he be getting a little help from someone? Just wondering, but I&#039;m sure I won&#039;t have to wonder very long as I&#039;m sure Andy will have a response to this post also.','',0,'','3jcc364g',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2781,641,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1078272192,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Changing dates','Super99GM,\r\nWhether or not the magazine change in date is approved or not is a little petty, wouldn&#039;t you think?  Lets focus ourselves on the fish that are worth catching, not the minnows.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','2ac6pp4e',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2782,635,3,65,0,'216.183.133.215',1078280515,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Board of directors','Unlike others I found the board very approachable   and We discussed the &amp;quot;goings on&amp;quot; both with the president and other board members both before and after the general membership meeting.  IF the other posters had WANTED to approach  the directors they and the new editors were there for 45 minutes plus after the meeting and they would have stayed longer IF anyone had further questions. I can&#039;t speak for anyone else but my questions were answered . And by the way there were appox. 15 to 20 members from canada there and I enquired about starting a north of the border chapter. member #316','',0,'','o0gdntba',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2783,635,3,47,0,'67.241.135.150',1078290909,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey edfrazi, and Cookieoliverman,\r\nI am not leaving out Ollie either, I&#039;ll leave those who were siding, or appeared to be, with him out of the equation. But, Ollie served 4 years as President, he knows just as well as the rest what should be appropriate and what is not. This sort of thing can not be of benefit to anyone, so why do it? Any of them had the option of simply not discussing whatever they were discussing, and walk off, or telling the rest that if they wanted to discuss the issue, that they would do it. But in a private place! I don&#039;t see any right side, but I sure do see wrong! Yes, Cookieoliverman, anger is a thief, it will steal from you every time, but hatred is a cancer, it will eat you alive!!!','',0,'','20wsefm5',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2784,635,3,47,0,'67.241.135.150',1078291964,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Canada Grant,\r\nI have never had any problem with assessing the board, not from day one. The only board member left from when I joined is Paul Rode, and the first thing he wanted to talk about was crawlers. He was VP at that time. All the rest have rotated out, and there have been some good ones over the years. I think the problem is not with accessibility, but many of our members seem shy. I have noticed that myself, I don&#039;t know why that is. After all, is this not a hobby? I saw a fellow at Lefevers Sunday that had a cap that said &#039;It is a hobby!&#039; truer words have never been spoken. You know my solution to shy members is to go to the banquet, sit down in the only empty space at a table full of strangers, and make a fool of myself! I meet lots of friends that way!\r\nI would be thrilled to welcome Canada as our 18th chapter. If you need any info on putting it together don&#039;t hesitate to e-mail me!!!','',0,'','25tla0yk',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2785,641,3,47,0,'67.241.135.150',1078292887,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Doug_424,\r\nReckon you&#039;re right, here goes. A question was asked, I answered the question as accurately as I know possible, I gave a correct answer. I never said I agreed with the action. As a matter of fact, if you check my posting when Terry inquired of the matter, you will find I posted that I didn&#039;t like it worth a darn, you will find very little member support for my position, and I did get some nasty e-mails over that post. Basically, the members let me hang out to dry on that one! I still questioned the action in the board meeting Friday night. I wasn&#039;t about to raise the question at the membership meeting, the members probably would have let me hang out to dry again!','',0,'','3b8vm0o4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2786,642,3,47,0,'67.241.135.150',1078293910,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey NYSOliver,\r\nDurned if I didn&#039;t have a couple spots of mud on those pant legs, gonna have to be a little more careful. Most crawler guys get less mud on them than wheel tractor guys who play with crawlers. We are more accustomed to getting on and off the machines. Guess it is what you are used to.','',0,'','21en4wg3',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2787,635,3,47,0,'67.241.135.150',1078294426,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Cookieoliverman,\r\nWhat most folks don&#039;t realize is any chair, whether it be President, committee, or any other type of assembly, is pretty well limited to presiding. It is the body of the society that decides issues, in most cases.','',0,'','24bcmgga',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2788,634,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078295625,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Chris I must have misread it in Nov. When I asked other members if they had noticed the change. Everybody agreed.\r\n\r\nDo me one favor. If #5 is not supposed to be in our bylaws please remove it from our homepage.\r\n\r\nWe certainly don&#039;t want to confuse anybody into thinking this club is able to work with any other clubs or institutions!!!!!!!\r\n\r\nThank you\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','1legqf36',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2789,635,3,529,0,'64.41.27.79',1078324390,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Ray-Man','','Andy, as far as Ollie walking away from the situation, I doubt they would have left him out! one of the board members told me personally that he told Ollie&amp;lt;p&amp;gt; Quote &amp;quot; we WILL come to an agreement on this, either we leave as friends or one of us will get killed&amp;quot; end quote.&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;','',0,'','2hu9f7ze',1,0,'',529,0,0),(2790,635,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078356573,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','Closetgate','I can absolutely believe that was said. Certainly the closet episode concerned many who attended the winter get together. It was debated over again whether we should go in and clear the closet. \r\n\r\nI can say however I&#039;m glad this happened. &amp;quot;Closetgate&amp;quot; opened the eye&#039;s of members. Take note of all the new people checking into the forum.\r\n\r\nAndy you said it was just a small region where all the complaints and griping was coming from. After attending the winter get together I have to say I think you are dead wronge.\r\n\r\nAndy, to answer your question. I had a wonderful time at the winter get together. I made many new friends and renewed some old friendships. \r\nAndy,\r\nAlso I&#039;m certain there are parts of Maryland that General Lee would have felt welcome to have a good time. I just don&#039;t think he would of here in the northeast along the Pa line. There are just to many sons of that time, in this area, named after Elmer Ellsworth. \r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','3geriu5n',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2791,634,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.172',1078368344,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','Danny,\r\nWhat is in the By-Laws is the Statement of Purpose. That doesn&#039;t have a #5.\r\n\r\nWhat is on the home page is the Mission Statement. While it was gleaned from the by-laws, it can be different, since it is a different document. \r\n\r\nI don&#039;t have the authority to change the HPOCA&#039;s Mission Statement, so it will stay the way it is.\r\n\r\nAlso, no need to apologize for the innuendo about me falsifying a document. The truth spoke for itself.\n\n[Edited on 3-4-2004 by admin]','',0,'','1yqqtwif',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2792,645,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.172',1078370640,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','Magazine tech articles','Good news. I have a couple of members that are willing to write tech articles for the magazine. So what I&#039;m looking for here is, what tech topics would you like to see covered in upcoming issues?\r\n\r\nI look forward to everyones suggestions.','',0,'','395grf9c',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2793,645,3,65,0,'216.183.132.165',1078372271,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','88 Old Style Differances','Since I just purchased a 88 old style ,in three or four piles ,plus two motors three heads 4 cranks, [you get the picture] an article on differances ie: motor block pto lever etc. would be nice! I keep looking in the parts book but I an finding lots of little things besides the obvious sheet metal parts.','',0,'','l10nv20t',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2794,600,2,407,0,'208.31.40.113',1078373377,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','parts','I&#039;d try Bill Campbell for those parts. He&#039;s got an add in the magazine quite often','',0,'','11r9r7zy',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2795,645,3,238,0,'152.163.252.199',1078374620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'39LC','Tech tips','It depends on what I&#039;m working on at the time. If I&#039;m rebuilding an engine, rebuild tips, electrical, wiring tips, etc, etc.\r\nGot a short memory so I forget in between!\r\n                            Larry','',0,'','txv6tr8n',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2797,646,6,531,0,'24.123.232.34',1078406564,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','Cockshutt colors','I need to know the colors of Cockshutt 1850s. I&#039;ve seen red ones and I&#039;ve seen pictures of tan over red. Can anyone tell me what is the story with the two colors?','',0,'','39e2fkqa',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2798,647,1,531,0,'24.123.232.34',1078406627,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','Cockshutt colors','I need to know the colors of Cockshutt 1850s. I&#039;ve seen red ones and I&#039;ve seen pictures of tan over red. Can anyone tell me what is the story with the two colors?','',0,'','1qv0qqmm',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2799,641,3,531,0,'24.123.232.34',1078406754,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','As long as it comes every two months, what&#039;s the difference whether it comes on the 1st or the 15th?','',0,'','1y59viai',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2800,645,3,88,0,'67.74.242.184',1078415919,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I would like to see more about Cletracs and the Hercules engines. Too bad Landis Zimmerman is no longer contributing to the magazine.','',0,'','8j2r56na',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2801,634,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078424755,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Well then I highly recommend to HPOCA leadership too remove #5 from the &amp;quot;mission statement&amp;quot;. The jealousy that occured during and after the restoration of #3. Has proven our leadership is not capable of working with other clubs and institutions. This &amp;quot;mission&amp;quot; has only brought destruction to HPOCA. So again remove it.\r\n\r\nAs far as an apology to you of course I&#039;ll apologize if thats what you wish. I&#039;m still waiting for an apology from the HPOCA leadership for their lack of good judgement and decisions which is ultimately causing the destruction of this club. I will not be as hypocritical as HPOCA leadership. \r\n\r\nLike you say, the truth speaks for itself.\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\n\r\n[Edited on 3-4-2004 by danny]\n\n[Edited on 3-4-2004 by danny]','',0,'','18c2z6mb',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2802,648,3,487,0,'68.162.147.70',1078440680,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Irvin L. Albright','club magazine','<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( --> When are we supposed to get the current magazine???  We were promised on time del. for this time. I quess the March- April issue will be delivered in May! Any one care to tell me?    #9423 member','',0,'','2k4wc9tb',1,0,'',487,0,0),(2803,648,3,144,0,'169.207.135.23',1078445267,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','magazine','the magazine will be mailed on the 15th of the month.','',0,'','2wfz18hg',1,0,'',144,0,0),(2804,645,3,144,0,'169.207.135.23',1078445431,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','','I would like to see a story or article on the oliver lawn tractors','',0,'','zvaxywsu',1,0,'',144,0,0),(2805,642,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1078450960,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Interesting','Andy, \r\nFrom my vantage point, Ollie was trapped in the closet for about 2 hours, getting hollared at.  The yelling did turn physical.  Darius went to RESCUE the poor man.  If his rescue turned the tables on Jim, so be it, it was well deserved.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','jj16kg8t',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2806,649,4,532,0,'205.188.209.10',1078455945,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H.','Cylinder Pressure On C letrack HG','I finally got an Cletrack HG startered that I rescured in woodlot on a farm we purchased.  The engine is an 1XA3 with a serial number 675XXX( cannot read the last three numbers) .  After runnining about five minutes the pressures were as follows:\r\nCylinder      Dry      Wet(three squirts of oil)\r\n 1               65        83\r\n 2               55        75\r\n 3               65        80\r\n 4               67        85\r\nReadings are in PSI.  I used automatic transmission fluid for the oil.  Type A\r\n\r\nAre these normal readings?  Could someone help me understand what the readings should be ?\r\n\r\nThe engine was badly frozen and I spent months getting it free.  I used just about every know fluid to break it free.  Surprizingly enough, the engine smokes very little when running eventhough I am sure there is traces of all this stuff around.\r\n\r\nThank you in advance for your usual fine help.','',0,'','3igfv7u8',1,0,'',532,0,0),(2807,648,3,9,0,'64.12.116.213',1078496926,1,0,1,1,1,0,'super99gm','','The magazine will always be on time now since the editor can determine the delivery date he wants and call it &amp;quot;on time&amp;quot;.','',0,'','1eg58qpy',1,0,'',9,0,0),(2808,650,1,407,0,'172.19.252.16',1078498718,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','Got my 70 fixed but I&#039;m broke!','I just got the motor back together on my standard 70 and I wanted to let you guys know some of the prices I had to pay. I had a bad piston and sleeve, so I called a machine shop here that deals with continental. Mine had an M&amp;amp;W kit so I needed 1/8in bigger bore than stock. From continental, $318 a hole, 1 piston with rings and 1 sleeve not including shipping. Well I am cheap so I called NAPA and they could get me a set of rings, complete set for $110.00 + $25 per oversize piston plus shipping($4.00). So I went with that and bought a stock used sleeve for $20 and had it bored bigger for $45. The sleeves get pretty thin, I broke a chunk out removing my old sleeve. The $25 piston did come with pin and keepers. All said and done it works out to a little over $100 a hole, for oversize. \r\n\r\nI also had 310 waukesha valves machined to fit my Hart Parr70. He told me 1206 IH valves would work good too but I had spare 310 valves. Just don&#039;t plan to pull alot he said. Which I dont so its ok for me. That tractor runs great.  \r\n\r\nGaskets is what killed me, from agco the liner seals on the sleeve were $8 a piece *4 cause i recked 2. and head gasket $110, valve cover $16, oil pan excluding cork on front and back of the pan $20.  I did&#039;t buy exhaust cause I cheated and I needed college books more. Haven&#039;t heard it run yet because I&#039;m doing body work. It had a knock, found water was getting on cylinder #1. I hate sheet metal, I&#039;m fixing the original fenders. This is why people restore f-20 Farmalls, I&#039;d be painting otherwise.','',0,'','1pw3tupx',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2809,649,4,96,0,'216.201.29.132',1078517662,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Compression Pressures','You are asking a lot of things that can be variable. The head os the IXA is a little different and may be a lower compression to start with. The key thing is your wet readings are fairly even, 10% variation being the usual allowable limit. Did you take all the plugs out when you did the check how good is your cranking speed and so forth. I would put a few hours on it and check it again. Also then change the oil and filter to get rid of the &amp;quot;sludge you have worked loose in the engine.','',0,'','zoa8car6',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2810,650,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078529194,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','Tips from a tight wad','Adam,\r\n Try Dave Reed (Otto Gas Engine Works) next time for your gasket sets. Dave&#039;s handy for me as he&#039;s only a mile from the house and is open on Sundays. He does ship all over the world. Dave also specializes in rings and can set you up for cheap. \r\n\r\nDave&#039;s Phone # 1 410 398 7340      \r\n\r\nSounds like maybe your sleeves were a little too far gone for this but I have another neighbor 1/4 mile east of me who works w/ ceramics. If your sleeves are pitted, Paul Grey, has came up with a compound to fill the pitts and then hone the sleeve to specs. Don&#039;t worry Paul knows what he&#039;s doing he has a doctorite in that stuff And it does WORK!!!\r\n        I think he will do it for &amp;quot;outsiders&amp;quot;. I THINK he probably will. May want to mention my name.\r\nPauls # 1 410 392 0812\r\n\r\nLast set of sleeve seals I needed I took the sleeve to our local New Holland dealerships parts counter. Told them to fix me up w/ O-rings close to the size. They measured and  ordered, came back with the right ones, complete set for around $20.  I now remember it was a 77, I needed them for. \r\n\r\nAs far as sheet metal goes......I just do the best I can with what I got. Before buying after market.   Sometime turns scarey!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','yr334gad',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2811,436,6,487,0,'141.151.139.141',1078532112,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Irvin L. Albright','','<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->   I have Cletrac and Massey Ferguson of many sizes. #9423','',0,'','2utf0p7k',1,0,'',487,0,0),(2812,648,3,487,0,'141.151.139.141',1078532651,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Irvin L. Albright','','<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->  Well if the mailing is pushed back to 3/15 that means I can expect to get this issue sometime in April. Of all the magazines that we get, that will be the latest one, a month old!! Is that what we call ON TIME??? #9423','',0,'','141wmdsf',1,0,'',487,0,0),(2813,648,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078533528,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I think the real question is, will this one really be &amp;quot;worth the wait&amp;quot;?\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','3gu2gb6s',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2814,648,3,88,0,'67.74.247.14',1078536433,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','It&#039;s too bad that Sherry didn&#039;t have the option of changing the delivery date of the magazine to suit her schedule. (I&#039;m talking about when she was editor of the HPOCA magazine). On the bright side, if the next edition is as weak on material as the first one was, it isn&#039;t like we will really be missing anything anyway.','',0,'','36p2glvj',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2815,645,3,98,0,'209.51.206.223',1078611465,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cletrac1','','I&#039;d just like to see something worth reading ,and not pages of address change ads.<!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->','',0,'','3q218ko1',1,0,'',98,0,0),(2816,645,3,51,0,'64.12.116.213',1078611759,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Delbert','Oliver 35 Induatrial','I have an unrestored farm version of the 35, which is an Oliver80 with some modifications. The fully  industrial is a much heavier model. There was a 35 like mine at &#039;o3 summer show. I saw an industrial at the Macon Mo summer show. Both models are rare models.. There is some information in the Oliverb 80 parts and service books. Delbert member #2463.','',0,'','342hxr8e',1,0,'',51,0,0),(2817,602,1,374,0,'205.188.209.42',1078618609,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','','I have a 1947 60 rc wide front,the gauges on it are yellow','',0,'','yfr8nesj',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2818,645,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078625335,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Hey Doug_424 Do I have good news for you. There&#039;s a new magazine coming out called Oliver Heritage and Landis I believe has been retained by them to write articles.  Such good news. Don&#039;t you think?\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','40y521v2',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2819,645,3,465,0,'199.35.244.19',1078626521,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','I&#039;m looking forward to [b:3ptu5nko]OLIVER HERITAGE[/b:3ptu5nko] also. No club lackies to deal with.','',0,'QA==','3ptu5nko',1,0,'',465,0,0),(2820,645,3,35,0,'68.221.143.88',1078631207,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','magazine','Sherry has also gotten some good tech writers for OLIVER HERITAGE. I am looking forward to a great magazine.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','1apchoeq',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2821,651,1,381,0,'206.176.206.61',1078634152,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nailcreek','Oliver 550 Part needed','Hi .. I&#039;m in need of the toolbox cover for a 1964 Oliver 550.  Any suggestions?\r\n\r\nKerry Brunner\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:nailcreek@hotmail.com\">nailcreek@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'QA==','4b59kian',1,0,'',381,0,0),(2822,651,1,65,0,'216.183.132.155',1078634617,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','tool  box lid','Lynch Farms  937-456-6686 Eaton ohio has new repros.','',0,'QA==','1u3pfmy6',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2823,645,3,65,0,'216.183.132.155',1078634924,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Getting both here!','Looking forward to both magazines and if they both do well we will have two per month!!','',0,'QA==','1nq8g1nb',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2824,645,3,238,0,'152.163.252.199',1078636471,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','Me too!!\r\nI&#039;m really looking forward to getting a magazine every mont\r\n                   Larry:P','',0,'QA==','3t1ckbbd',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2825,648,3,238,0,'152.163.252.199',1078637570,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','Huh?\r\nWonder if I read the same magazine as you did. I thought it pretty good, especially since the editors were under so much pressure, and I&#039;m sure it will even improve.\r\nAs far as OLIVER HERITAGE, I support Sherry 100% also. \r\nThe only thing that bothers me a little is,(as an initial startup contributor) that I tried a few weeks ago to e-mail her to purchase a 1/2 or full page add to further support the mag. My e-mail was sent back, undeliverable. Then I got 2 e-mails from other people informing me of the mag&#039;s status!\r\nOh, what the heck, I guess there are cliques wherever you go!\r\n                    Larry Coltrin #10010535','',0,'QA==','rpwntb9b',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2826,649,4,532,0,'64.12.116.213',1078637808,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H.','Cletrack HG Compression Checks','John,\r\nThank you very much for the reply.  It was very helpfull.  I losened the spark plugs about two tuns during the comprssion checks.  Is that the right thing to do ?  I did not take them all the way out because I didn&#039;t want anything to drop in the cylinder.  The engine rpm seemed qute consistant.  However; I did not measure it.  I have a device to do that with.  Would that information be helpfull ?  I have changed the oil filter and the oil already.  I was afraid some of the fluids I used to break the engine free were in the crank case.  That was my main reason for changing it.  Do you have any idea what the compression was when the machine was young ?   If not is there somebody I could contract for this information ?  Once again thank you very much for the heip.  By the way, I really feel fortunate to get the engine free.  It must have set a real long time.  There was about a 8 inch tree growing up through the machine and it was dead !  Thanks Again','',0,'QA==','37kv1srz',1,0,'',532,0,0),(2827,648,3,88,0,'67.74.251.160',1078668811,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Come on 39LC, which magazine were you looking at? It had pages of filler, the &amp;quot;new contact info and address was on every third page, or so. Hardly any letters to the editor, very few classifieds. And how many articles were actually written by the new editor? Take out a copy of the old HPOCA magazine and compare. As far as your e-mail not getting through to Sherry, don&#039;t blame her on computer system screwups. I have e-mailed her a number of times and always got through and always got a response. And I am not a member of any clique. I&#039;m very sure that a start up mazazine would be very happy to take your ad. You know Sherry has a phone.....give it a try.','',0,'QA==','3prz93dx',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2828,645,3,535,0,'67.50.246.120',1078690736,1,0,1,1,1,0,'SWMN 770','','I&#039;d like to see some articles on oliver Industrial equiptment','',0,'QA==','37zsus0g',1,0,'',535,0,0),(2829,649,4,532,0,'152.163.252.199',1078720233,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H.','Cletrack HG Compression','John,\r\nCertainly, I will change the oil and filter when I get about three or four more hours of running time.  Although, I have hardly anytime on the oil and filter change (15 minutes), the dip stick still shows very clean clear oil.  The suggestion you made is an excellent one.  Thanks again.\r\n\r\nJohn H.','',0,'QA==','1quhitj7',1,0,'',532,0,0),(2830,648,3,238,0,'205.188.209.42',1078721288,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','Rats...today I found that I had inadvertantly entered Sherrys&#039; e-mail wrong in my address log. \r\nSo I extend my apology to Sherry and anyone else that may have had cause to be offended by my above post.                Larry Coltrin#10010535','',0,'QA==','29t2vb1z',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2831,652,1,536,0,'67.1.105.215',1078763495,1,0,1,0,1,0,'erikn','rear fenders for a 1755','I am looking for a pair of rear fenders for an Oliver 1755.  It currently has a cab which will be removed and sold.','',0,'QA==','2j9bcb35',1,0,'',536,0,0),(2832,609,1,514,0,'12.2.221.6',1078870783,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','ex 880 tractor','I decided to seel the 880 as I am fixing up a 1950 88 to show and pull.   Thanks to all who responded and try to answer my questions.   Note:  I have some Oliver 77 parts for sale.   bow','',0,'QA==','2nvhex4q',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2833,609,1,514,0,'12.2.221.6',1078870912,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','I better slow down and check my spelling or typing','I meant to say sell instead of seel.  lol ya all have a good week.','',0,'QA==','1w4tpwxt',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2834,648,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1078949401,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','No offense taken, I&#039;m certain. I was wondering what was going on. As you seemed very supportive of Oliver Heritage. Glad you figured out the problem. Very rarely do I put all my faith in these dang computers.\r\n\r\n      Larry I think your ad in Oliver Heritage will pay off for you. I know my own purchases will be made from those who advertise in Sherry&#039;s magazine. I think many other subscribers will do the same. \r\n\r\nI don&#039;t belong to a clique. Well other than my brothers, heck their family. But I just figured I&#039;d let you know I&#039;m very excited and supportive of the new magazine and not offended on this end, anyways!!\r\n         \r\n    Thanks to Mr. Kline&#039;s inappropriate letter to Landis I do consider myself  as an........\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor   #747\r\n\r\nThank you for correcting me folks. I said Mr. Meeker and I apologize for that. Actually it was Mr. Kline that sent the letter. I often get names and faces confused. However I will remember the tip given to me.  &amp;quot;Kline throws words. Meeker throws punches&amp;quot;   I apologize again for the confusion and Thank those who corrected me!!!\n\n[Edited on 3-10-2004 by danny]','',0,'','2yfrtf0m',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2835,653,4,539,0,'205.188.209.9',1078982847,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ak','Buda blind head 4 wanted','Looking for a buda 4 cylinder engine or block, blind head.  May be a WU?  thanks.\r\nJohn:  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:akrendo@aol.com\">akrendo@aol.com</a><!-- e --> or 484-459-0880','',0,'','34evixiz',1,0,'',539,0,0),(2836,599,2,307,0,'198.81.26.70',1078985084,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Don Lee','18-27 Row Crop','If you dont already have one, Yesterdays Tractors Co. has very good manuals for your tractor.  The manuals have pictures of the row crop front end and much more.  You can get them from there website for about $30.00 (under Oliver/Cletrac heading).  I purchased one for my 18-28 and am very satisfied.\r\nLots of luck on your search.\r\nDon Lee','',0,'','2yvlnusx',1,0,'',307,0,0),(2837,654,1,540,0,'207.95.168.253',1079042014,1,0,1,1,1,0,'HD','mower sections','restoring several mowers.  Need to find sections 2 1/2&amp;quot;.  Help!','',0,'','2u1ux4yv',1,0,'',540,0,0),(2838,655,2,238,0,'205.188.208.140',1079062429,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','HP 70 fenders','I need a pair of decent fenders and footboards for my Oliver/Hart Parr 70 rc de','',0,'','1n0bable',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2839,654,1,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1079067042,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','re: Mower Sections','Just a thought, I do not have a regular section in front of me to measure.\r\n\r\nCan the old one or the new one be cut to size and redrilled?  or, have you checked some of the older farm supply stores?  They might have some in NOS or put away.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','sp7lkcfd',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2840,649,4,47,0,'65.238.36.76',1079071603,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey John H.,\r\nI agree with John Schweibert, run it! Your test between wet and dry indicates you may have some compression rings sticking, but, that engine hasn&#039;t been run in some time, so you should consider that normal. If it were my engine, I would get some Rislone at the auto parts, and put that in the oil, then some Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas, only a gallon or two of gas. Then I would run it up to operating temp., and shut it off to cool. I would do this repeatedly for a day or two, then change oil and filter, because that stuff will clean out the sludge. Then run it with fresh oil and gas, don&#039;t forget the lead additive, and just play with the tractor, it is a really fun tractor once you get used to it. It should make it run better, and it beats tearing it down.','',0,'','2bd4bn2k',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2841,649,4,532,0,'152.163.252.199',1079121435,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H.','Cletrack HG Cylinder pressure','Andy,\r\nReally appreciate the reply.  I think you have made an excellent suggestion as usual.\r\nI will give this a try.  Since we are starting to do our spring work, it may take me a while to get back to my hobbies.  I will post a reply to you when I get it done.  Probably a couple of months.\r\nAndy, do you have any idea what the dry and wet compression tests should read for this type of engine ?\r\nThe products you suggested are readily available in this area.\r\n\r\nThank you again,\r\n\r\nJohn H.','',0,'','af5lzhj7',1,0,'',532,0,0),(2842,649,4,96,0,'216.201.29.102',1079128318,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Compression Test','The idea of a wet test is that durring the wet test the oil seals the rings and compression should increase otherwise you have valve problems. Also since the engine was stuck you may have stuck oil rings which will not show up real well on the compression test. However it may consume excessive oil when the tractor is under load. I would also use a vacuum gauge test and I have never done this on an L-head engine, but a cylinder leak down test migh be order. Send me a U. S. mail address and I might be able to send you some information we used to pass out from Perfect Circle. John','',0,'','135kuxqz',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2843,656,1,321,0,'65.219.215.63',1079136008,1,0,1,1,1,0,'RickB','660 PTO and Hydraulics','I am converting my 660 gas to use without PTO and hydraulics. I found an affordable plain transmission cover and am proceeding. Do I need to be concerned about transmission oil getting into the void where the PTO shaft was and oiling the clutch? If so, what is the remedy? If I reinstall the PTO for dyno use, will the PTO shaft be supported well enough without the hyd pump installed? Thanks in advance, RickB','',0,'','2yd0fvbz',1,0,'',321,0,0),(2844,657,1,541,0,'64.12.116.204',1079138022,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bubbalou','Cast rear wheel centers for 60','I am looking for a pair of cast wheel centers and also a set of rear wheel weights for a Oliver 60. I believe the casting number for the weights is HA 123 5B and the cast number for the cast centers is IKA-705. I am from the upper great lakes area. <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','1b0otjs1',1,0,'',541,0,0),(2845,654,1,540,0,'206.216.207.54',1079144472,1,0,1,1,1,0,'HD','Mowers','Afraid to cut down because wouldn&#039;t cut right.  Still looking for anyone that would know where to find the 2 1/2&amp;quot; wide sections.  Does anyone know where there would be a old oliver store that might have some still in stock?','',0,'','wh2paq63',1,0,'',540,0,0),(2846,649,4,47,0,'65.238.36.208',1079150361,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey John H.,\r\nOnce again John Schweibert is correct. I don&#039;t remember what the variance is between wet and dry. Under optimum conditions, in theory there shouldn&#039;t be any, that would be because the rings would seal perfectly, I have never seen such a case in practice though. The closer the better. There is a formula that takes in stroke, bore, and compression ratio, and will give the workable pressures. I don&#039;t remember what that formula is, but next time I see my brother I&#039;ll ask him, he is an engineer and will remember it. Another thing I have used is iodine, about 1/8th inch on top of each piston, let that soak for an hour or so, then fill the cylinders with diesel fuel or ATF, which will wick in behind the iodine. There are several commercial products available at your local auto parts store to free rings, some folks like Seafoam, available from NAPA, I have never tried it, but have heard of good results in California. I have done well freeing stuck rings just by running the engine, then cooling it, you know, expand and contract. But, it does take time. You have enough compression to start and run, I think it will improve just by being run some, once you get the inside cleaned up.','',0,'','2useiitm',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2847,654,1,374,0,'205.188.209.39',1079202533,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','mower sections','HD..try Coon Valley Dairy Supply\r\n            S668A St Rd.162\r\n            Coon Valley,WI  54623\r\n             (608)452-3192','',0,'','2bdnfyfk',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2848,658,1,39,0,'208.210.151.232',1079231238,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Mel Larson','Seat pan for 77','I&#039;m looking for a source for a pan seat for a 1952 Oliver 77. This is the later style, like the supers.\r\nMel Larson  <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','3vmolh5v',1,0,'',39,0,0),(2849,658,1,47,0,'65.238.36.116',1079233305,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Mel,\r\nHave you tried Korves Brothers in Red Bud, IL.? You can e-mail them, <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:parts@korvesoliver.com\">parts@korvesoliver.com</a><!-- e --> or go to their website, <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.korvesoliver.com\">www.korvesoliver.com</a><!-- w --> I am working on the same seat on a 77 RC, they had my parts.','',0,'','3l0yso9l',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2850,654,1,47,0,'65.238.36.139',1079264304,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','IH sections fit my 22A mower, try TSC or Farm and Fleet, either should have them.','',0,'','2jdkgg1b',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2851,659,1,43,0,'158.247.216.16',1079287167,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverdude','Oliver outboard motors','I&#039;m looking for a lower unit for a 1955 Oliver Challenger. I&#039;m also looking for a gas tank for the same motor. Please email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:olivercollector@yahoo.com\">olivercollector@yahoo.com</a><!-- e --> if you can help.\r\nThanks,\r\nGeoffrey Heck','',0,'','1lstuydz',1,0,'',43,0,0),(2852,660,4,537,0,'137.140.18.119',1079292768,1,0,1,0,1,0,'hd6b','oc3 bottom rollers','Hi\r\n\r\n   I have a oc3 that needs a bottom roller ,I also have a parts hg are the rollers the same .\r\n\r\n                     Thanks\r\n                        Jim','',0,'','rovtapeu',1,0,'',537,0,0),(2853,661,3,88,0,'64.158.115.27',1079296417,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','Promotion and Publicity ??????','Just wondering what&#039;s up with the position of Promotion and Publicity since Landis Zimmerman resigned. Has anyone replaced him? Is there anyone under consideration for this position. Or does the board feel that this position is not a necessary one any longer? I haven&#039;t heard or read anything on the subject.','',0,'','2a3to8el',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2854,661,3,374,0,'205.188.209.39',1079298934,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Promotion and publicity','I heard the appt.was Jim Kline.........','',0,'','9rufuzzc',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2855,661,3,88,0,'65.58.146.34',1079299160,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','The place on the &amp;quot;board of directors&amp;quot; page on this site is still  blank where it says &amp;quot;promotion and publicity&amp;quot;. That&#039;s what got me curious as to what&#039;s going on with that position.','',0,'','3fpfvxlm',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2856,660,4,96,0,'216.201.29.149',1079308857,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Lower rollers','They will interchange','',0,'','2jxhx6wd',1,0,'',96,0,0),(2857,659,1,65,0,'216.183.132.171',1079323102,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Boat motor','How the devil did you get a boat motor in kansas ?? and I can,t find one 2 miles from  Lake Huron!!! Reguards Grant','',0,'','3ohapkes',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2858,661,3,374,0,'64.12.116.213',1079354667,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','P&amp;P','Kline was appointed as activities director,the P&amp;amp;P position not filled.....\r\ngreat display of new activities starting with the Winter Get Together....<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','1uajf5aa',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2859,602,1,62,0,'160.36.200.254',1079373283,1,0,1,1,1,0,'dcbaker','Oliver 70 Standard Guages','My 1948 Oliver 70 Standard has white guages; always were white.  Never yellow.','',0,'','3l27wsb2',1,0,'',62,0,0),(2860,659,1,43,0,'158.247.216.48',1079386978,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverdude','Oliver outboard','Hi Grant,\r\nI got it in New Jersey. It&#039;s the only one I could find in my price range. I&#039;ve got pictures of it on my site, <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.geocities.com/olivercollector\">www.geocities.com/olivercollector</a><!-- w -->. It&#039;s not much to look at.','',0,'','3rs3w9ly',1,0,'',43,0,0),(2861,657,1,12,0,'69.21.141.200',1079391482,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Wheel weights','I have a set of wheel weights that may be what you are looking for. They have A 1235 cast into them. They are smooth and tapered down to the outside dia. If you are interested U2U me and we can work out the details. WB.','',0,'','1lk3kgj7',1,0,'',12,0,0),(2862,662,3,88,0,'4.155.69.189',1079456694,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','Magazine mailing status','Just wondering, since it is now March 16th, if the magazine has been mailed yet. We were told it was to be mailed out on the 15th of this month.','',0,'','z5qv5v1h',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2863,661,3,360,0,'198.77.42.207',1079476446,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edfrazi','','What are Kline&#039;s duties letter writting and while he is at it maybe he can write a letter for Mr Allen with the explinations that he promised. Although I think that Mr Meeker would have been a better activities guy he could teach us boxing.','',0,'','tr6uxzf6',1,0,'',360,0,0),(2864,662,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.206',1079482330,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','Sorry that I haven&#039;t gotten the magazine page updated. I just got a new computer, and haven&#039;t got it all set up yet.\r\n\r\nThe magazine is in the mail. We got the extras by UPS today, so start watching your mailboxes.\r\n\r\nI will be updating the magazine page soon.','',0,'','ysqpc9bo',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2865,661,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1079484393,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Good Point Ed','I would run for P&amp;amp;P but I&#039;m afraid that I&#039;m liable to get the clothes closet treatment.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','3oqxszmp',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2866,549,3,116,0,'66.71.199.113',1079484498,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','new format','hey Chris,\r\n when is it going to happen?','',0,'','l6nhajf9',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2867,663,1,544,0,'152.163.253.34',1079488974,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Jim D','S-55 engine rebuild','Hi.I have a 4cyl gas engine am about to rebuild and could use some tips or tricks to get it right please if anyone could help out it would be greatly appreciated..It is a 1956,I just got it on engine stand and starting to dismantle..Thanks Jim','',0,'','2qkbz4qp',1,0,'',544,0,0),(2868,549,3,531,0,'205.188.209.103',1079493271,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','Did the membership vote on this software change? And while we&#039;re at it, did the membership vote on what you had for breakfast this morning?:D','',0,'','21x4jqli',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2869,664,3,163,0,'207.177.76.189',1079663019,1,0,1,1,1,0,'uncledu','Lack of new posts','Very few posts these past days is this the calm before the storm?','',0,'','kvqemadx',1,0,'',163,0,0),(2870,664,3,12,0,'69.21.141.200',1079663212,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','I don&#039;t like to say it','but things may have simmered down some. There&#039;ll surely be some posts now with that said. WB.','',0,'','18v0ssxx',1,0,'',12,0,0),(2871,664,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1079666321,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Simmered Down?','I personally don&#039;t think things have simmered down, I think that the membership went to the winter convention, saw what went on and are either 1.  Resigned themselves to the demise of the club and are waiting.\r\n2.  Hoping everyone forgets and things return to normal.\r\n3.  Waiting to see just how late the new mag is vs how it looks.\r\nor any other reason.  My, I&#039;m waiting for somebody to corner me in the closet.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','1segk2ut',1,0,'',464,0,0),(2872,664,3,88,0,'4.155.123.61',1079667746,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I think the main reason it&#039;s so quiet here is that Andy seems to have disappeared. He did have a way of stirring things up here, didn&#039;t he?','',0,'','24kv1i1p',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2873,652,1,352,0,'69.87.131.242',1079673461,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jawernet','Fenders','Try finding some farm equipment salvage yards nearby.  I replaced my badly rusted out 1650 fenders with good used 1850 fenders that I got at a local salvage yard.  The salvage yard I got my fenders from has a lot of good fenders, especially in the 1755 and high models.  If you can&#039;t locate any close by give this salvage yard (good place I get my Oliver parts) a call:  Roeter Farm Equipment, Grant, Michigan, (231) 834-7888.  Hope this helps you.','',0,'','3jgch8q5',1,0,'',352,0,0),(2874,664,3,122,0,'65.117.137.178',1079700370,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','','I&#039;ll pick #3 Ed.\r\nSure don&#039;t miss those rambling paragraphs.','',0,'','1pmqkizh',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2875,664,3,531,0,'24.123.232.34',1079716371,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','Got my March issue today. More content than the last time. Came out when Chris said it would. Can&#039;t wait to see what people will find to ***** about now.\n\n[Edited on 3-19-2004 by admin]','',0,'','qi675xwh',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2876,665,3,88,0,'4.155.81.101',1079737967,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','Magazine arrived today','The magazine arrived today....came more on time than the last issue. Just wondering what anyone else thinks of the latest edition?','',0,'','3f7fncd7',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2877,665,3,116,0,'66.71.220.128',1079740896,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','','how did you do it? i&#039;m in west pa. also haven&#039;t gotten mine.\r\n                         T. Kline','',0,'','26k5jhz9',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2878,665,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079742237,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I didn&#039;t either Todd. I&#039;ll give it a day or a month. After the last magazine I don&#039;t look forward for it as much I used too. Looking forward too Oliver Heritage though.\r\nDoug, What do you think of it?????\r\n\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','3g823fr6',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2879,665,3,88,0,'4.155.129.102',1079742570,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','How did I do it? Maybe being skeptical pays off,,,,,,, I too am anxiously awaiting the first edition of Oliver Heritage, the magazine that will have the content and quality that we are all accustomed to.','',0,'','2ov3qmy9',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2880,665,3,88,0,'4.155.129.102',1079742818,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','As far as what I think of the latest HPOCA magazine. I found it slightly improved from the last edition, but obviously a lot is still missing. When you get it, take a look at Terry Allens picture, that guy sure don&#039;t look happy. And for a guy who always seems to have control of things, I wonder why he&#039;s not smiling?','',0,'','3mcs6zjy',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2881,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079743569,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Wanna70 is there any way you can put a name to your posts?\r\nYou really should apologize for all the extra work you caused Chris there. Please read the forum rules before posting. We certainly don&#039;t want to destroy young minds. \r\n     Taylor Brandt, not all tractor collectors use such nasty, terrible, awful language. Please don&#039;t mistake a few for the majority.\r\n\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','1ug276p5',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2882,132,5,542,0,'67.41.5.31',1079746371,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Laplander','','I was just going to post a question about this in the Oliver section. I think it&#039;s a great idea and will definitely drive up interest in the site and club. If you put one up, have a for sale section and a wanted section and maybe a toys section also. If I can find the name of the program we used for a different website of mine I&#039;ll post the link.','',0,'','2xwnpuzq',1,0,'',542,0,0),(2883,666,1,542,0,'67.41.5.31',1079747293,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Laplander','What&#039;s the most desirable Oliver out there?','My Dad is at retirement age and has finally been bitten by the old iron bug. He&#039;s been busy buying steam and hit and miss engines and is talking about going after a tractor or two, and since the two Ollivers that I had (66 standard and 70 RC) where my favorites over the JDs and IHs, I&#039;m trying to stear him in this direction. What would be a rare one that he could redo and take to the shows and maybe cause a few jaws to drop?','',0,'','2hdlnhy7',1,0,'',542,0,0),(2884,665,3,122,0,'65.117.137.181',1079750936,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','','Is Allen&#039;s photo super imposed on a green tractor this time? That&#039;s how it appeared in the last issue.','',0,'','2vtlnfu6',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2885,664,3,35,0,'68.210.66.194',1079754793,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','','Danny,\r\n I couldn&#039;t agree with you more. When an individual has to make a point by using profanity and filth language he has such a limited volcabulary that he probably wouldn&#039;t make sense anyway. <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->\r\n\r\nFrank Dodson\r\nOliver Renegade 5251','',0,'','18a98oui',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2886,132,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.144',1079755520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','','I have had everything ready to go for the forum update for a while now. But I have been holding off for things to settle down here. If something went wrong with the upgrade, it would look like really bad &#039;timing&#039;. But things have cooled off a bit of late, so maybe now I can get a chance to do it.\r\nI appreciate everybodys patience on this subject.','',0,'','qdimtgjm',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2887,649,4,532,0,'152.163.252.199',1079760696,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H.','Further Work On Hg','Hi Andy,\r\nThanks for the suggestions.  I will certainly give them a try.  I now have the throttle linkage rebuilt.  Hope to get it back on in the next week.  After this is complete, will carefully time the engine.  Rigt now I am not sure if it is timed to an optinum value since I had the magneto off for rebuilding and just installed it at about the middle of the adjustment.  I am in the process of rebuilding my timing light which went down at an inoperate time.  After all this is done, I plan to do the starting and stopping with Marvel Mystery Oil and Rislone.  I need also to take the temperature gage off and check it to see if it is working properly.\r\n\r\nProgress will be a little slow since we are in full preparation for our spring field work.  Once again, thanks for all your fine help and that from other folks.\r\n\r\nJohn H.','',0,'','zh64brzp',1,0,'',532,0,0),(2888,666,1,254,0,'216.37.132.26',1079760742,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','','for me it would be a super99gm or 995 or 990.but they are not cheep or small. It all depends on what you whant to spend.\r\nslim20','',0,'','2p16yh7a',1,0,'',254,0,0),(2889,649,4,532,0,'152.163.252.199',1079760876,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John H.','3-12-04 Reply','Hi John,\r\n\r\nThanks for your fine reply.  I have sent you a U2U message.\r\n\r\nI really appreciate your help.\r\n\r\nBest Wishes,\r\n\r\nJohn H.','',0,'','29u09otl',1,0,'',532,0,0),(2890,667,1,254,0,'216.37.132.26',1079760937,1,0,1,1,1,0,'slim20','193? 99 4cly','I found a late 30&#039;s or early 40&#039;s oliver 99 4cyl gas good shape run&#039;s good how much do they go for the guy is asking $3.000 It has elec. start and pto and belt \r\nGreg','',0,'','21z1j5c1',1,0,'',254,0,0),(2891,664,3,374,0,'205.188.116.131',1079783250,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Another wanna be','Wanna Be 70.....its people like yourself that take the interest completely out of this forum......\r\nthat is exactly why there have been no responses....\r\nwe are trying to encourage our children to carry on the Oliver tradition and what a great demonstration of the English language,as well as,interest you&#039;ve created.We also try to instill upon them not to speak until you&#039;ve thought about what you want to say and standby what you&#039;ve said,obviously,all don&#039;t share those same values.\r\nIts too bad that this is what has been created...fictitious,WANNA BE OLIVER COLLECTORS,that are english majors!! <!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->:mad::mad:\r\n\r\nEd Brandt- another Oliver Renegade','',0,'','2y7ounqz',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2892,664,3,531,0,'24.123.232.34',1079821771,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','its people like yourself that take the interest completely out of this forum...... that is exactly why there have been no responses.... we are trying to encourage our children to carry on the Oliver tradition and what a great demonstration of the English language,as well as,interest you&#039;ve created.We also try to instill upon them not to speak until you&#039;ve thought about what you want to say and standby what you&#039;ve said,obviously,all don&#039;t share those same values. -Ed\r\n\r\nUmmm, right. You can be as hateful and ugly as you want as long as you don&#039;t use a few special words while doing it. Give your kids more credit. If the visciousness various folks have posted on this board haven&#039;t turned your children away, a single word they can hear any day on the  schoolyard isn&#039;t going to do it. As to standing by what I have to say, I&#039;m STILL wondering what you guys will come up with to uh, &amp;quot;complain&amp;quot; about next. I&#039;ll bet you find something, as giving the Loseys a hard time seems to be your agenda here.','',0,'','pvup9xyu',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2893,665,3,88,0,'4.155.126.113',1079823363,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','The photo is Allen standing beside an old style 88 with wide front. Can&#039;t remember if it&#039;s the same as I don&#039;t know where my last edition of the mag is. Maybe I threw it out,,,,,','',0,'','1vejtr1l',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2894,664,3,88,0,'4.155.126.113',1079823675,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','WE, (at least I) am not trying to give the Losey&#039;s a hard time. WE are totally fed up with the tactics of the president and board. They have made decisions that are unpopular (to say the least) with a great many of the members. I actually feel a bit sorry for the Losey&#039;s, since they have a very large void to fill since they replaced Sherrry... renegade member 3614','',0,'','23it2ix1',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2895,664,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1079827630,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','Doug,\r\nYou better be sure that the membership really is against recent decisions before you go talking about it.  I know there are some that aren&#039;t happy with things, but as to my experience so far I&#039;d say those that are displeased are outnumbered 10:1 to those that are either happy or indifferent with what has gone on.  \r\n\r\nWanna70,\r\nGo check out the other most recent forum thread.  People have now chosen to complain about a picture.  Just my opinion, but it seems a tad petty.  When a picture of a Deere tractor shows up in our magazine, THEN start complaining...','',0,'','qhhjokom',1,0,'',142,0,0),(2896,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079828152,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','....and yet still Wanna70 hasn&#039;t enough pride in his/her posts to put his/her name too them. Don&#039;t be afraid to sign your posts. The Renegades don&#039;t put people in closets!!!\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','bi64hhx3',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2897,664,3,88,0,'4.155.81.170',1079831050,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','98DBA,,I am careful. and yes many are indifferent. I am speaking from my own experience and to those I have heard from &amp;quot;many&amp;quot; are not pleased. If Landis Zimmerman was forced to resign his board position over this matter, I don&#039;t think it should be taken lightly.','',0,'','u3nvinc3',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2898,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079831656,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','98DBA  I guess you didn&#039;t attend the banquet. So you didn&#039;t see all the people sitting on their hands while president Allen spoke or were you one of the hand full that applauded him.\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','2v15ndp4',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2899,664,3,531,0,'152.163.253.40',1079835476,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','WE, (at least I) am not trying to give the Losey&#039;s a hard time.  -Danny\r\n\r\nYah right. That&#039;s why we see so many posts about the magazine being late even when it isn&#039;t, not having the content you want to see even though you didn&#039;t send anything in, and not liking the pictures that are used. On another thread, people couldn&#039;t even wait for the magazine&#039;s due date to start making comments about whether it would be on time and whether it would be worth the wait. If it&#039;s the directors you don&#039;t like, why is there as much complaining about the work the Loseys are doing as there is about the board? I understand the tactic. You want to ride the Loseys long enough and hard enough to make them give up in disgust. Without a magazine then you can have your wish - the end of the HPOCA. You&#039;ll blame it on the directors of course, but the real reason will be your failure to give the Loseys and the people who are working to support and build the HPOCA IN SPITE OF THE BOARD AND THE PROBLEMS a fighting chance to do it. The club has what, 6000 members? You and a dozen or so others would rather see the other 5988 members do without a magazine than just shut up and let the Loseys provide them with one YOU don&#039;t like.','',0,'','32sosw1w',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2900,664,3,374,0,'205.188.116.131',1079835603,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Wanna Be 70','Lets see....Mr.Wanna Be 70....I really don&#039;t think there is anyone on this thread trying to be hateful or ugly.Its also very obvious by your first and last remarks that the english language,as well as reading comprehension,were not your strong points....What do you think Frank D. any positions down there at your institution for this english major???                           The point was that a person makes the remarks and has enough &amp;quot; hutzpah&amp;quot;, if I may,to author what he&#039;s printed.The utilization of terms such as ummm,uh and  ***** only reflects negatively on your supposed education.\r\nAs a matter of fact,I don&#039;t think that anyone really has a problem with the Losey&#039;s at this point,Chris and Becky only have that large void to fill created by our Board.I also don&#039;t think that Terry Allen is a problem,although he holds the position,after the Lancaster Get-Together we know who the real players are...\r\nIsn&#039;t it amazing though,&amp;quot;My daddy Terry comes under fire&amp;quot; and out pops 98dba....\r\n\r\nEd Brandt-another Oliver renegade','',0,'','2hzkous0',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2901,664,3,374,0,'205.188.116.131',1079836000,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Mr Wanna be','I guess I spoke to soon with my reply.....\r\nquite frankly speaking to the other members at the Lancaster get-together in person,there were far more than 12 that spoke of opposition....maybe you should check the list or numbers that signed up for &amp;quot;our&amp;quot; Oliver Heritage magazine:P','',0,'','2f2bzh88',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2902,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079836158,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I still have not recieved my magazine. Which as I had said is fine. I really don&#039;t care if its on time or not anymore. As far as HPOCA being destroyed...the damage has already been done by the directors  NOT THE LOSEY&#039;S...My membership runs out next March. It&#039;ll be then I&#039;ll be out of HPOCA&#039;s hair.\r\n\r\nAgain I see you haven&#039;t enough pride to sign your posts....Wonder why????\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','2pq0ags6',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2903,664,3,88,0,'4.155.81.170',1079836944,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','wanna70,,,,,,,,,,,get your quotes right,,,,\r\n\r\nWE, (at least I) am not trying to give the Losey&#039;s a hard time\r\n\r\nI said that, not danny','',0,'','7aoxwloo',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2904,664,3,88,0,'4.155.81.170',1079837255,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','wanna70,,,,\r\n\r\nyou are an awful angry guy,,,,,I mean none of us are writing in that manner or using language as you are...What&#039;s your problem?This is a &amp;quot;discussion&amp;quot; not argument board, we can discuss our concerns like civilized people here without losing our tempers. At least the rest of us can, not so sure about you, who ever you may be??????\r\n\r\nDoug #3614','',0,'','cpdi01e5',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2905,664,3,531,0,'152.163.253.40',1079837529,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','WE, (at least I) am not trying to give the Losey&#039;s a hard time -Doug\r\n\r\nTwo quotes from the guy who is not trying to give the Losey&#039;s a hard time:\r\nAs far as what I think of the latest HPOCA magazine. I found it slightly improved from the last edition, but obviously a lot is still missing. – Doug\r\n\r\nI don&#039;t know where my last edition of the mag is. Maybe I threw it out,,,,, - Doug\r\n\r\nDoug - try harder.\r\n\r\nAnd other supporters of the people who WORK to keep the organization going:\r\nAfter the last magazine I don&#039;t look forward for it as much I used too. -danny\r\n\r\nWe were promised on time del. for this time. I quess the March- April issue will be delivered in May! –Irvin\r\n\r\nWaiting to see just how late the new mag is vs how it looks. – Ed','',0,'','1hco4beg',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2906,665,3,116,0,'66.71.199.247',1079837921,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','','got mine today, not to bad, real improvement over this last issue. i&#039;m sure Chris &amp;amp; Becky work very hard to put it all together and it will get better as time goes on. it has a couple of intresting articles in it, think i&#039;ll go read the rest of it. keep up the good work Chris &amp;amp; Becky.\r\n                                      T. Kline\r\n                                          #8000','',0,'','1mzm9xmt',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2907,664,3,531,0,'152.163.253.40',1079837977,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','What do you think Frank D. any positions down there at your institution for this english major??? The point was that a person makes the remarks and has enough &amp;quot; hutzpah&amp;quot;, if I may,to author what he&#039;s printed.The utilization of terms such as ummm,uh and ***** only reflects negatively on your supposed education. -Ed\r\n\r\n Anything to avoid the real issue, huh? OK, but you might want to pick up a dictionary before you start giving language lessons Ed.  &amp;quot; hutzpah&amp;quot; is spelled chutzpa. And unless you think I&#039;ve been plagerizing my posts (look it up) you need to check the definition of &amp;quot;author.&amp;quot;','',0,'','3jhozyfs',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2908,664,3,374,0,'205.188.116.131',1079838119,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Mr Wanna Be 70','After all your research there I don&#039;t see anything derogatory toward the Loseys...\r\nMembers were well upset with the late magazine,different dates,different reasons...\r\nthey have assured us that the mags will be mailed on the 15th and Chris told us on here they were sent.....\r\n\r\nI still have one question,we haven&#039;t had this much stimulation since Andy&#039;s posts\r\nare you sure this isn&#039;t him under a ficticious name??? Or maybe even Harley Dawg&#039;s new handle...<!-- s:o --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif\" alt=\":o\" title=\"Surprised\" /><!-- s:o -->:o\r\nEd Brandt-still a renegade','',0,'','2eotx54d',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2909,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079838147,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Yes indeed I said that... Some times the truth hurts.   I also had pride enough to sign my name next to it so you know who said it.\r\n\r\nAgain you haven&#039;t enough pride to sign your posts, I see....wanna70\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','2hyjkz73',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2910,664,3,374,0,'205.188.116.131',1079838394,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Mr Wanna be','Another great post....somebody send him one of our new Oliver Heritage crying towels....you might want to edit your last sentence or whatever that was....<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->:(','',0,'','1liegltl',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2911,664,3,374,0,'205.188.116.131',1079838651,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Mr Wanna Be','Hey,Webster, I stand corrected you are correct on the spelling....but you know what??....&amp;quot;c&amp;quot; or not you still don&#039;t have enough to &amp;quot;author&amp;quot; your posts...<!-- s:cool: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\":cool:\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s:cool: -->\r\n\r\nPS.Tell us,&amp;quot;Mr Wanna Be&amp;quot;,what is the real issue???:o\n\n[Edited on 3-21-2004 by NYSOliver]','',0,'','27dx5kpj',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2912,664,3,531,0,'152.163.253.40',1079838910,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','you are an awful angry guy,,,,,I mean none of us are writing in that manner or using language as you are...What&#039;s your problem?This is a &amp;quot;discussion&amp;quot; not argument board, we can discuss our concerns like civilized people here without losing our tempers. At least the rest of us can, not so sure about you - Doug\r\n\r\nAngry? Actually, after Ed&#039;s English lesson, I&#039;m sitting here laughing. It&#039;s easy to have a &amp;quot;discussion&amp;quot; as long as you are sitting back tossing barbs, eh? But when someone tosses a few back, he&#039;s &amp;quot;angry.&amp;quot; Hmmm.\r\nLook, I understand constructive criticism. But what you guys have been doing is just whining and complaining. It has to be hard on the Loseys. You say you don&#039;t have anything against them, but don&#039;t you think it has to be discouraging to them to read your repeated sniping? If you don&#039;t have anything constructive to say, why don&#039;t you shut up and let them work for those of us who DO appreciate their efforts?','',0,'','yv2hhn14',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2913,664,3,407,0,'208.31.40.76',1079838965,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','dejavu','I read all this before, you just wasted a good deal of my screen wanna70. Let whats in the past stay there if you wish to move forward and benifit the club. Complaining about the opinions that differ from your own keeps throwing this forum&#039;s status back to what it was a few months ago. Those of us dissapointed, I&#039;m just waiting for my election ballots. Till then, Have a wonderful time spreading frustration. Been there,done that, acted stupid. Looking forward to the mag, both of them.\r\n\r\nAdam --semi-retired oliver renegade','',0,'','p4sqkclc',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2914,664,3,531,0,'152.163.253.40',1079839242,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','After all your research there I don&#039;t see anything derogatory toward the Loseys... - Ed\r\n\r\nYou don&#039;t think disparaging a man&#039;s work is disparagement of him? If someone repeatedly complained about your work, you wouldn&#039;t take it personally? Sure.','',0,'','1svymk50',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2915,664,3,374,0,'205.188.116.131',1079840030,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Mr.Wanna Be','Did they have some recruitment drive out there today or yesterday, I don&#039;t recall which day it was you joined ?? Is Chris and Becky really under that much fire,that you have to put yourself in the line of??? I think that after reading other posts that he can pretty well handle himself if he felt the way you present him.Again,the posts on this thread aren&#039;t against him....\r\n\r\nAs for being angry from this end,not at all.Your ability to interpret what is actually being said,is being overshadowed by your inabilities.Laugh if you must,we are too,Harley Dawg <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->:D:D\r\n\r\nPS. Don&#039;t spend the time to copy each post,most of us have the ability to have already read it....rereading is redundant....that is unless you don&#039;t have anything to say ....and reposting fills your space:D:D:D','',0,'','3m99keoz',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2916,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079840091,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','All I saw was facts in those quote&#039;s but maybe you are right. So here.....WoW what a magazine the last HPOCA was... especially liked having to wait soooo long for it but Mr. Allen said it would be worth the wait and oh my it was. Page after page of address changes and I especially liked well.....hmmm...I just can&#039;t lie as well as others....I guess\r\n\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor#747','',0,'','30vcnacs',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2917,664,3,531,0,'152.163.253.40',1079840257,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','I read all this before, you just wasted a good deal of my screen wanna70. Let whats in the past stay there if you wish to move forward and benifit the club. -Adam\r\n\r\nThis isn&#039;t about the past Adam. It is about the repeated and continuing complaints about the magazine the Loseys put out. They do a good job by any objective measure, yet these guys can&#039;t find a single good thing to say about it. I admit this is a pet peeve of mine - men who sit around on their hands and complain and criticize the efforts of those who are actually DOING something constructive and positive. Look at their posts, they want to talk about my &amp;quot;guts,&amp;quot; my name, who I am, how angry I am .... anything but the destructive effect their negative comments have on the HPOCA.','',0,'','3u9se132',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2918,668,3,374,0,'205.188.116.145',1079840692,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','New Members','Chris....can we remove our newest member guidedux off this forum....we want to read as much about porn as we do Wannabe 70&#039;s posts....Thanks...Ed Brandt\r\n\r\nclick on the website...and see........\n\n[Edited on 3-21-2004 by NYSOliver]','',0,'','1nhtqxjc',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2919,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079840896,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','I have reviewed this entire thread wanna70 aka Andy. I haven&#039;t seen one complaint about the magazine until YOU posted, sir.   Maybe you are the biggest thorn in the Losey&#039;s side.\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','wljbvjcf',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2920,668,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079841798,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Yes I agree....Remove him effective immediately \r\nThank you\r\nconcerned Oliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','3fg5gujd',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2921,664,3,407,0,'208.31.40.76',1079842440,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','one good thing','Well hey, At least I feel better. I got quoted tonight, I feel like Shakespere or some guy you hear of who gets quoted on the big screen!:D sweet.\n\n[Edited on 3-21-2004 by NYAdam21]','',0,'','hxo7xy6o',1,0,'',407,0,0),(2922,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.138',1079846352,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','No, Wanna 70 is not me, nor Harley Dawg! Though he does bring some good points. I feel very important that some folks go off half-cocked and think he is me, though!!! I find this discussion repetitive, and boring. Y&#039;all can complain amongst yourselves!!!!','',0,'','2b6bf8nl',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2923,667,1,47,0,'65.238.36.138',1079847047,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','It all depends on what you think it is worth. I have seen 99&#039;s go for between $300-$5,000, and normally you get what you pay for. I would guess a running 99 would sell for between $2,000-$2,500. But, if this is a good straight tractor that doesn&#039;t require much work, $3,000 is probably a bargain. You have to fiqure in anything you will need to do to it, as no repairs are cheap! Hope this helps you!  Later, Andy','',0,'','21rc9u2k',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2924,666,1,47,0,'65.238.36.138',1079847489,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','That leaves a lot of room! What does he like? On steel, tracks, or rubber? Electric start, or crank? I like the little HG crawlers, unique to most shows, and not really expensive. They are light and easily transported. It would be better to learn more of his likes, and dislikes. Wish I could help you more! Later, Andy','',0,'','99xtts1u',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2925,600,2,47,0,'65.238.36.138',1079847885,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','What you need is an American Bosch U4. I&#039;ll try to dig out an address in Loves Park, IL, of a firm that stocks these. Do you have one of these mags? Normally they can be rebuild easily. Later, Andy','',0,'','3qvf6swp',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2926,655,2,47,0,'65.238.36.138',1079848223,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Did you ask Gary Spitznogle? He might be able to find a set or point you in the right direction. Ph 319-766-2665','',0,'','zxj6bx7k',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2930,666,1,514,0,'12.2.216.110',1079870125,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','Eye opener Oliver','All Olivers are good and can be an eye opener if propery restored.  Some are more rare than others.  Like the little 44 ya don&#039;t see em much.   Then the old style 88 that looks like a 70 in the front.   Then the big ens like the 99s.   It does take some serious cash to get em too.   Good luck and have fun.','',0,'','1u4dc3j8',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2931,667,1,514,0,'12.2.216.110',1079870440,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','99s','It seems to me that Olivers are the hot ticket in my area.   With so many antique tractor pulls and shows people are snatching em up like crazy.   That includes me too. lol   That price sounds resonalble if it needs no major repair.   good luck','',0,'','2txmz7x1',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2932,669,1,514,0,'12.2.216.110',1079870872,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','Oliver 77 for sale','I have a 1950 Oliver 77 that needs rebuilt and some stuff is missing.   I either will sell it complet or part out.  Let me know what you need.  $750  and I am in Southern Ohio','',0,'','bcu87fym',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2933,664,3,531,0,'64.12.117.20',1079875285,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','C&#039;mon Cookie. It&#039;s only been a few hours since Danny said, &amp;quot;WoW what a magazine the last HPOCA was... especially liked having to wait soooo long for it but Mr. Allen said it would be worth the wait and oh my it was. Page after page of address changes and I especially liked well.....hmmm...I just can&#039;t lie as well as others....I guess&amp;quot; \r\nYou think complaining about the delivery and content of the magazine isn&#039;t a complaint against the Loseys and their work? The Loseys create the magazine, not the board. Disatisfaction with the directors should be directed at THEM, not at the work the Loseys are doing. I understand that a lot of people are upset with the board, but why do they take it out on the work the Loseys are doing? They SAY they don&#039;t have anything against the Loseys, but they just keep making negative comments about the Losey&#039;s efforts to do something positive for the club.','',0,'','1yccpwg7',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2934,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.35',1079876284,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Cookieoliverman,\r\nWhen someone else posts, and others think it is Harley Dawg, or I, they must have us on their mind. I guess that would make us very important to these folks. The same thing happened on YT a while back. Actually, I am just sitting back laughing about it, I think such inaccuracies are hilarious! Something like insisting #5 on the bylaws was missing, and must be changed immediately, just to find out it was never voted into the current bylaws, and after alledging misconduct of half the club!!!! So much for doing homework. I don&#039;t think there is a particularly long or hard row to hoe. I was talking to Ken Steinbach, he was one of our first directors, and I believe it was 10 years he served on the board. He told me to not forget the silent majority, and we have a rather large one. This silent majority will support the association, will play with their collections, and not have any interest in politics. In that context, those who vocally complain are probably in the minority. This bears out the phone conversations I have had with many members. A few on this forum have become polarized, as such, the forum is going nowhere, I find it to be boring, and find my time better spend trying to help other collectors find parts, or repair their tractors, which is what we are supposed to do in the first place!!!!!','',0,'','1fq9qf3m',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2935,600,2,47,0,'65.238.36.35',1079877899,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey biged,\r\nI found that info this morning. The supplier I recommend is Branson Enterprises, Ph # 815-633-4262, in Loves Park, IL. They specialize in mags, carbs, and parts for them. I wrote some &#039;Tech Tips&#039; articles on this, The Ensign carb was the March/April 1998 and the May/June 1998 issue. The American Bosch U4 Edition 3 Mag was the Sept/Oct 1998 and the Nov/Dec 1998 issue. You might want to check with Chris Losey to see if these back issues are still available. They give step by step details on rebuilding these units. I hope this helps you! Later, Andy','',0,'','3q8reqp0',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2936,563,2,47,0,'65.238.36.35',1079878213,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I know they were shipped there, maybe someone else would have more info.','',0,'','nnfh3m7m',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2937,669,1,47,0,'65.238.36.35',1079878516,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Where in S. Ohio?','',0,'','2di2il1q',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2938,670,1,419,0,'207.144.213.103',1079882865,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnsonsolivers','tractors for sale','I have 15 tractors and need to down grade. These are the ones im selling:\r\n(1) 1600 gas w/n bare tractors $3000\r\n\r\n(1) 1550 gas w/f bare tractor $3400\r\n- w/ loader $4800\r\n\r\n(5) 88 gas some w/f and some narrow\r\n$1200-$2200\r\n\r\ncall (309) 526-3154 or\r\nemail me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:cope_cowboy121@hotmail.com\">cope_cowboy121@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\n\n[Edited on 3-21-2004 by johnsonsolivers]','',0,'','3fgf22c8',1,0,'',419,0,0),(2939,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079886346,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Andy,\r\n      You are absolutley right. Man did I eat my words over the #5 in the by-laws. I laugh about it myself. Here I thought I was really onto something. I was going to have all the directors on the by-laws comittee step down from both positions and restore HPOCA back to how it used to be.  Did I end up all wet!!!!\r\n      Oh well. I realize now that HPOCA will never be back to how it used to be and that the by-laws comittee is just a farce, anyway. \r\n      Its good for people to laugh. I laugh at myself sometimes. I refuse to laugh at the clowns, we have as directors, who have destroyed my club!!!!!\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','2soeebzk',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2940,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079887696,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','wanna70,\r\n     I have to agree with Bob. If you do not wish to sign your posts...you are not worth arguing with. I would like to put up a quote made by you on 3/17/04 on the Forum Update thread.\r\n\r\n&amp;quot;Did the membership vote on this software change? And while we&#039;re at it, did the membership vote on what you had for breakfast this morning?&amp;quot;  - wanna70\r\n\r\nwanna70 you are a trouble maker aren&#039;t you. Nobody took your bait on the 17th and up until you posted I haven&#039;t heard anybody make any direct attacks on Chris Losey. It seems everybody tried to steer away from doing that.   Unlike others who have made direct attacks towards the former editor and one of our former board members but I guess thats okay. huh?\r\n\r\nAs far as the HPOCA magazine goes. I joined this club to be a member not a subscriber to a magazine. I feel now there is no club to belong too. After all this even if Chris Losey comes out with a magazine that equals the Snap-On Tools catalog I will not renew my membership in March 05. \r\n\r\nAgain wanna70 sign your posts. Let us know who you are. If you won&#039;t then please  retire your fake I.D.\r\n\r\nYOU wanna70 ARE THE TROUBLE MAKER HERE!!!!!\r\n\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','oj2s948k',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2941,664,3,88,0,'4.155.123.41',1079888302,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','To Mr wanna &amp;quot;be annonymous&amp;quot; it is your choice not to reveal your true identity. It is also our choice not to respond or waste anymore time responding to your inane comments. It would be my recommendation to the other members here to simply ignore mr wanna . There  doesn&#039;t seem to be any point trying to discuss anything with him.','',0,'','2hooeiyl',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2942,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.248',1079909312,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny,\r\nYou think the bylaws committee is a farce? Once again you are going off half-cocked, and not doing your homework. If by chance you could get the directors on the committee to step down, it would have had little effect on the committee, there is one director, Peter Markowski. The rest are chapter presidents, and the HPOCA Past President. Of this, 3 are of the original members who formed HPOCA. We were working on what we were to do prior to the Nov. 8th meeting, if you don&#039;t believe that call Landis, I spent a whole evening at his place, I think that was Oct., much of what we talked about concerned bylaws. All items submitted were reviewed by each committee member, if one member or more found merit in discussing an item it went on the floor, if no one found merit, it was dropped. In order for an item to clear committee unanimous consent is required, not a majority vote. If an item has a majority, but not unanimous consent, it gets hammered until sufficient changes are made to be acceptible to all. The committee does NOT require board approval, nor will it, that was a provision I demanded. In the past, the bylaws were amended with board approval, then put on the annual ballot. Now, if you want to talk about conflict of interest, make the committee comply with board approval of the rules the board must operate by, and you got it. This committee reports directly to the membership, it requires an affirmative membership vote to be put on the annual ballot. The way I see it is nobody will get all they want, not even close, but everybody will end up with something. That is the way checks and balances work!','',0,'','2p2kjoy5',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2943,671,1,548,0,'172.168.212.233',1079910593,1,0,1,1,1,0,'rplatte','Wanted gas tank for Oliver 177','Wanted gas tank for Oliver 177 power unit.\r\nGood or repairable condition\r\n\r\nHarold Pries\r\nWaverly, IA\r\nCall 319-352-2598','',0,'','1au2jx8l',1,0,'',548,0,0),(2944,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079913130,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Andy,\r\n   Allow me too cock myself fully then. Here are the names of the by-laws committee members.\r\n\r\nAndy Blackwood- chairman for the by-laws committee.....acting lightning rod for current directors\r\n\r\nTerry Allen- present president of HPOCA\r\n\r\nPaul W. Rode Jr-past president....executive board of director\r\n\r\nPeter Markowski- finance and planning director\r\n\r\nLee Smith and William Bechtold...I do not know these two gentlemen.\r\n\r\nSo it seems to me if I could have gotten the board members in the by-laws committee to step down from both positions it certainly would have made an impact....lets move on while I&#039;m cocked.\r\n\r\nWhich one of these people had the idea to put up a by-laws forum?    Only to tell those who made suggestions their ideas wouldn&#039;t work.\r\n\r\nOh and we have to shut down the by-laws forum before the winter-get-together as Andy has to prepare the new by-laws for a vote at the winter meeting. What happened to the new by-laws. I didn&#039;t see any to vote on.\r\n\r\nAnd Andy I don&#039;t have to ask Landis about the by-laws committee. I already did in November. I think if I asked him again now in March he would agree.\r\n\r\nThe By-laws committee is a FARSE!!!!!\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','2cay8hus',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2945,666,1,65,0,'216.183.132.179',1079913399,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Most disired!','The model that you don&#039;t have yet!','',0,'','2cqhrt0g',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2946,666,1,116,0,'66.71.220.113',1079915214,1,0,1,1,1,0,'kline','','good comment Grant, but i&#039;ve got one better. it is the model that you can&#039;t afford or the one the wife wont let you buy.\r\n                                   later,\r\n                                      T. Kline','',0,'','3t02z4dg',1,0,'',116,0,0),(2947,666,1,542,0,'67.41.5.31',1079916422,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Laplander','','I have a feeling he would be more inclined to go with a steel wheeled tractor than the rubber. Probably a hand crank one at that. He bought a restored 25 TT to haul all of his stuff to shows so I don&#039;t think he would want something too big. Maybe a 60 size or smaller? I don&#039;t know how much those old Fords were rated to tow. He got bit pretty hard by the old iron bug (much to my mom&#039;s displeasure) and is enjoying the heck out of it.','',0,'','1sc70pxj',1,0,'',542,0,0),(2948,600,2,509,0,'69.87.131.231',1079916553,1,0,1,1,1,0,'biged','','thank you very much andy the info was very helpful thanks for the time and phone #s you gave me thank you very much i got somr some good leads on some parts that i nedded for our 18-27 row crop thanks again richard','',0,'','3r7gumb7',1,0,'',509,0,0),(2949,669,1,514,0,'12.2.216.144',1079917833,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','Location','Near Junction City,  and my zip code is 43748','',0,'','189jzplk',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2950,656,1,514,0,'12.2.216.144',1079918259,1,0,1,1,1,0,'bowhunter','660 pto shaft and hydrolic removal','I took my pto and manual lift off my 66 and ran into no problems.   The clutch is up by the engine so no worries there.    Just keep an eye on the  transmission grease level and everything should be fine.  I presume you will be pulling it and there won&#039;t be any long days in the field.  good luck and how much does it weigh now?   My 66 with 12.4 x 38s on the back weighs in at 2750.','',0,'','6fuwstdr',1,0,'',514,0,0),(2951,664,3,163,0,'216.51.171.140',1079929009,1,0,1,1,1,1,'uncledu','By-laws','Andy I was the one who said there were no new posts and it was on the whole site, it has just seemed so dead all across he board . I only have one question my older brother Bill is an alternate for the by-law comm. did he have any real input at the meeting? (just wondering)Duane Brandt  Galva Iowa','',0,'','eoxk97y1',1,0,'',163,0,0),(2952,668,3,531,0,'24.123.232.34',1079966113,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wanna70','','By all means have me removed. Reserve this forum for the exclusive use of the half dozen old biddies who want to whine and complain about the HPOCA (and for Ed to give English lessons ROFL!). Anyone saying anything supportive of the magazine or any other aspect of the club should be banned.','',0,'','kvdidgfc',1,0,'',531,0,0),(2953,668,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.98',1079974762,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','','I have removed guidedux. This isn&#039;t even a real person. It is just a computer that searches the internet for boards like this one. It will then automatically sign up to be a member of the forum, inserting it&#039;s link to whatever junk they&#039;re trying to sell. That&#039;s all they want, is that link so people will click on it. I have probably deleted over 20 of these fake users.\r\n\r\nAs to Wanna70. I sent you a U2U a few days ago about your swearing on the forum, but you haven&#039;t read it. I am trying to run a family friendly forum here. \r\nAnd while I do appreciate your support for everything we have done, you really haven&#039;t been doing me any favors.\r\nThis is a paid position, and being so, we open ourselves up to criticism. That just comes with the job. And whether the criticism is petty or justified, that is the members right, since it is their magazine and club. Of course I would be lying if I said that some of the things said on this forum haven&#039;t upset me personally, but that is my problem. \r\n\r\nSince everybody wants to help, I would ask all to click on the following link, read what it has to say, and then ask yourself, &amp;quot;Am I an Internet Troll&amp;quot;.\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.wordiq.com/cgi-bin/knowledge/lookup.cgi?title=Internet_troll\">http://www.wordiq.com/cgi-bin/knowledge ... rnet_troll</a><!-- m -->\r\nThanks','',0,'','1akxt1f3',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(2954,668,3,374,0,'64.12.116.210',1079976011,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Thank you','Chris...thank you very much for your prompt response,I know I appreciate it.Thank you also for the clarification on the other topic.......Ed Brandt','',0,'','bihrfh7f',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2955,668,3,65,0,'216.183.132.184',1079977077,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Thanks Chris!','I could hear your screams of anguish from up here!:D','',0,'','h4ihb7y2',1,0,'',65,0,0),(2956,665,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1079995195,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Todd I recieved mine today as well. Very nice. Alot more stuff in it. Yes I think Chris and Becky will improve even more as time goes on.  \r\nChris &amp;amp; Becky good job. I see no reason with this magazine to belittle it. It will not go in the trash nor in the bathroom.   \r\n\r\nTerry did look a little angry in his picture but I&#039;m certain it was not intentional. I don&#039;t take good pictures either. \r\n\r\nChris I hope you understand why I stand where I do as far as not renewing my membership. Certainly not because of the magazine!!!!!\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747\n\n[Edited on 3-22-2004 by danny]','',0,'','3lve90i9',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2957,672,1,549,0,'64.12.116.198',1080002518,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Kevinstoys64','For sale Cast centers and wheel weights on Ebay','I have for sale (auction) on Ebay the following: one pair of cast wheel centers, cast # IKA 705 and one pair of rear wheel weights, cast # HA 123 5B. They are item number 3805606938 and 3805605821 respectively on EBAY.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','1mc7oiwn',1,0,'',549,0,0),(2958,664,3,35,0,'68.18.195.141',1080011352,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','By-laws','I feel that I must respond regarding the by-laws committee. I was also an alternate and I certainly can&#039;t speak for Bill but I was very disappointed with the process. The committee for the most part did not respond to good suggestions. It became apparent to me that the committee didn&#039;t want changes and it was fruitless to continue  participating.\r\n\r\nFrank Dodson \r\nOliver Renegade 5251.','',0,'','1d19u66p',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2959,655,2,238,0,'205.188.208.108',1080016714,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','Thanx for the tip, I&#039;ll give him a call..Larry:)','',0,'','j31i2f8g',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2960,673,1,550,0,'199.72.166.10',1080053530,1,0,1,1,1,0,'thesheepco','Wanted:  Oliver 550 Engine and Block','I, unfortunately, blew my 1958 gas Oliver 550 engine and need a replacement engine and block.  Please let me know if you have one or know where I can find one.\r\n\r\nThanks!','',0,'','3nxyqfnw',1,0,'',550,0,0),(2961,664,3,88,0,'4.155.123.97',1080053620,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','By Laws,,,,,,,,\r\n\r\nIt all goes to show that this organization is controlled by an &amp;quot;elite class&amp;quot;. Any idea, or suggestion that may be a threat to the stronghold of power they now have will be ignored. Many of us wasted our time with suggestions for the by laws comittee. It was a joke to think they would give the nominating process any changes. They like it they way it stands, only their own &amp;quot;hand picked&amp;quot; candidates will ever be alowed to run for office. That way the control  of the HPOCA  will always remain the same. I think in some cases things happen for the best. Sherry was deeply hurt by losing her editors position, but in the long run she will be better off, considering the way things are at the present. Good for her that she is now free of this, and group politics. Sad for the rest of the membership. member 3614','',0,'','je10poc7',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2962,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1080083340,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Well said. Not too bad for the rest of the membership...Too bad for the elite when the membership does not renew.   Oh how quickly the well runs dry.  Not caused by the Losey&#039;s...not caused by the Schaefer&#039;s...caused by.....I think the Board knew exactly what they were doing!!!\r\n\r\nIt was said in the begining the easiest way to fight this is just not to renew. I didn&#039;t believe that was the way to do it then. Now I realize thats the only way!!!\r\n\r\nI&#039;d like the board to know how easy they have made it for some of us to throw away are renewals when they come!!!\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\n\n\n[Edited on 3-24-2004 by danny]','',0,'','37mexwgs',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2963,674,1,187,0,'66.43.249.112',1080092011,1,0,1,1,1,0,'s104x490','Oliver 70 wires','I&#039;ve been restoring a 1939 Oliver Row Crop 70 for the past year.  In the final stages now and the owners manual that I have show a fuse or something along that line on the wire from the ammeter guage to the light swith.  If anyone knows it is a fuse for sure or what size would help out alot.  Thanks.','',0,'','1tuffoc8',1,0,'',187,0,0),(2964,673,1,37,0,'68.155.16.188',1080092048,1,0,1,1,1,0,'george steadman','550','Harold Wolfe has some, I don&#039;t know how much he wants, but he will definitely give a price. 423 581 5557 this is in East Tn','',0,'','zxx8jdqm',1,0,'',37,0,0),(2965,602,1,187,0,'66.43.249.112',1080092123,1,0,1,1,1,0,'s104x490','','My &#039;39 70 RC has got yellow\n\n[Edited on 3-24-2004 by s104x490]','',0,'','2j7j7j8w',1,0,'',187,0,0),(2967,673,1,67,0,'64.6.2.124',1080149118,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','During the recent winter convention, we had the chance to visit Farmersville Equipment, in Ephrata, PA.  Tom had at least 1 pallet of Super 55/550 blocks, with 25 blocks on the pallet.  I believe that he had some complete engines also.  His phone is 717-354-2150.  Hope this helps, Terry.','',0,'','gyxj6eh1',1,0,'',67,0,0),(2968,676,2,552,0,'216.161.72.128',1080154451,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornpopper','what&#039;s it worth?','I was looking at some property today and there was an Oliver Hart-Parr 18-27 with iron wheels in good shape.  I don&#039;t know if the engines loose (I doubt it) but the rest of the tractor looked complete and pretty straight.  What&#039;s a fair price to offer the owner for it.','',0,'','3lvzolcl',1,0,'',552,0,0),(2969,673,1,419,0,'207.144.213.103',1080169836,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnsonsolivers','550','I have a complete 550 for 3600','',0,'','1q02oi5w',1,0,'',419,0,0),(2970,677,3,122,0,'65.117.137.170',1080223288,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','Losing Interest Fast','Well here it is the 25th of march and no magazine here in east central Ohio.With the actions of the Powers That Be,the new mailing date, and the Step and Fetchits of USPS I&#039;m losing interest fast.I find I no longer look forward to the magazine&#039;s arrival.Seems the only two fast things about this situation, is how fast it got screwed up and how fast I&#039;m losing interest.\n\n[Edited on 3-25-2004 by Rockin-B]','',0,'','36s6htl2',1,0,'',122,0,0),(2971,665,3,105,0,'68.63.248.18',1080226958,1,0,1,1,1,1,'995Lugmatic','','I still dont have mine.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','k6tqbx7s',1,0,'',105,0,0),(2972,678,6,403,0,'66.187.34.27',1080252279,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Farmer in The Dells (WI)','Latest Magazine cover','What is the tractor model on the latest cover?\n\n[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Farmer in The Dells (WI)]','',0,'','2ga1mv5l',1,0,'',403,0,0),(2973,677,3,144,0,'169.207.95.123',1080253470,1,0,1,1,1,0,'ol950','','Your not alone, still no magazine in southern Wisconsin either!!!!','',0,'','1s88qhgz',1,0,'',144,0,0),(2974,657,1,549,0,'64.12.116.201',1080253564,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Kevinstoys64','','I have a set of wheel weights and wheel centers, and I think they are what you are looking for, I have them on ebay up for auction right now.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','1vq53scn',1,0,'',549,0,0),(2975,677,3,321,0,'205.231.151.25',1080254837,1,0,1,1,1,0,'RickB','Latest issue','Mine arrived in NY today. My second issue. I feel like I boarded a sinking ship. This discussion board has much less activity than 6 months ago as well.','',0,'','2b98c9se',1,0,'',321,0,0),(2976,665,3,40,0,'152.163.253.34',1080255536,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Finally home for awhile and still no magazine.  Maybe I&#039;ll get 2 on the same day.\r\n\r\nThat is more than a Oliver guy should hope for.<!-- s;) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\";)\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s;) -->','',0,'','2tu3nwsi',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2977,677,3,487,0,'151.201.60.202',1080259290,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Irvin L. Albright','Latest Issue','<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->  Well it is almost the end of March and stiil no magazine. If it is a few more days it will be a month late, like reading last weeks newspaper. RIGHT????\r\n #9423 Penna.\n\n[Edited on 3-26-2004 by Irvin L. Albright]','',0,'','335j0krs',1,0,'',487,0,0),(2978,679,3,40,0,'152.163.252.163',1080269976,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','Back in Illinois Some Thoughts on HPOCA','Thought that since I had gotten back from out East and Iowa I&#039;d post some thoughts about the HPOCA meeting amd anything else that might cross my mind.\r\n\r\nI was glad to get out East again, but I was very glad to get back to the Midwest.  Had a pretty good time in PA and then VA visting my son and his family for awhile, but they do have a lot of people and traffic there.\r\n\r\nThe meeting was my first were I hung around for the whole meeting and it was an interesting experience.  You do get the opportunity to meet an awful lot of nice people at one of the meetings.  I did learn my lesson and at any future meetings I will have a bragbook of the tractors my brothers and I have.\r\n\r\nThe host chapter and the hotel did a great job taking care of us.  The banquet on Sat night was very good and there were some very intersting people at my table.  One of them had even been to Princeton, Illinois!\r\n\r\nThe playday at the Zimmerman ranch was a highlight that very interesting.  Landis has quite a business and collection of CLETRACs.  If he eats everyday like they fed us it is a wonder he doesn&#039;t weigh 400 lbs.\r\n\r\nThere are a couple of things that could be done that I think would help the attendees have a better time.  The first would be a schedule of events for the activities that are planned.  Maybe the national guys and the local guys would have to coordinate a little more, but it would be great to know when and where things were happening.\r\nA schedule could be included with the handouts you get when you register and pick up your banquet tickets.  That way peolple can make plans when to sightsee, eat etc. and still not miss things like the films Landis had, the board meeting and the general member meeting.  I talked to acouple of people on Sat night that had done a little sightseeing Sat afternoon and missed the meeting because they did not know it was being held that afternoon.\r\n\r\nAt the meeting I was surprised that handouts were passed out (not enough copies for everyone) and then members had to make decisions after a brief scan of them.  My recommendation would be that these documents also be included with the materials handed out at registration.  I know from experience many people will not ask a question in a large group meeting. However, if they are given the opportunity to look over the material beforehand they will try to get answer or make a comment to the person responsible for the information.  I intend to be at the summer meeting in SD and I guess I&#039;ll see if any of this happens.\r\n\r\nOne part of the meeting I found enlightening was the 45 minute &amp;quot;discussion&amp;quot; the members of the board and I had on Friday morning.  I can attest name tags work!  They found me!\r\nNow some on this forum seem to think the board does not provide equal opportunities to all.  They do seem to have favorites, why Ollie got 2 full hours of their attention and I only got 45 minutes <!-- s;) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\";)\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s;) -->.  But then Ollie has belonged to HPOCA a lot longer than I have. \r\n\r\nWe did have apretty good discussion.  I believe we had an exchange of ideas.  I made it clear I thought they made a PR mess out of the way they had handled the termination of Sherry.  I told them I did not think that all the club members should get a say in things like contract terminations, but they as the elected officers and the appointed board members had to be better prepared to explain their actions.  They never did convince me that they could not have had Sherry sit in on the part of the excutive session where they took their action.   I probably did not convince them of  much either, but what the heck I did get to talk to them one on one.\r\n\r\nThursday night I talked to Chris and Becky for awhile which was very enjoyable.  I&#039;m sure that the magazine will only get better as they work on it.  I&#039;d like to say that second one was better,but I have not got mine.  I understand they did not have anything to do with the change in publication date, but it does seem that the USPS is slower in the middle of the month than it is at the first of the month.','',0,'','62p51s7m',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2979,679,3,35,0,'67.32.81.219',1080271676,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','','Bill,\r\n\r\nI enjoyed reading about your experience. Sorry I couldn&#039;t be there to get my 25 minutes. I haven&#039;t received the magazine yet, looking forward to viewing it. I certainly agree that the lateness of the magazine is not the editors fault butthe fault of our snail mail system.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','2zieslna',1,0,'',35,0,0),(2982,678,6,40,0,'152.163.253.104',1080342062,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','It is Bill Campbell&#039;s Hart Parr 70.','',0,'','2q5r8zyg',1,0,'',40,0,0),(2983,678,6,12,0,'69.21.142.69',1080357583,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','HP 70','Yes, it is Bill Campbell&#039;s. WB.','',0,'','eb6zw1me',1,0,'',12,0,0),(2984,678,6,238,0,'152.163.253.104',1080362960,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','That IS one beauty!! I&#039;m glad Bill found a place to put those $800.00 headlamps!;)\r\nMy 70 is about to roll out of the shop(sands fenders &#039;til I can find some), but I&#039;m green with envy of His beauty!\r\nLarry Coltrin','',0,'','2oi8f7xx',1,0,'',238,0,0),(2985,677,3,43,0,'158.247.216.46',1080437281,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverdude','re: losing interest','I got mine this week. It just has a slightly different schedule than before. It was well worth the wait!!','',0,'','33z67rrw',1,0,'',43,0,0),(2986,681,1,43,0,'158.247.216.46',1080437624,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverdude','1-row Oliver potato planter','Can anyone give me any information about an Oliver potato planter? I&#039;m guessing it to be from the early 1930&#039;s. It is horse drawn and has the Oliver Hart-Parr shield. Any help is very much appreciated. You can e-mail me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:olivercollector@yahoo.com\">olivercollector@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->\r\nThanks,\r\nGeoffrey in KS','',0,'','6evwcbta',1,0,'',43,0,0),(2987,677,3,88,0,'4.155.126.58',1080447255,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Well, I have been critical of a many things on this discussion board, but I will have to defend them on the magazine delivery. Mine came on time, which tells me they were mailed out when promised. You can&#039;t blame the magazine editor for the Post Offices bad job.\r\n\r\nThis has nothing to do with my opinions of the quality of the magazine or the boards decisions, or performance.','',0,'','2n0lzdnh',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2989,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.124',1080449093,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny,\r\nIt is clear that you don&#039;t understand the meaning of the parliamentary term &#039;ex-officio&#039;, so I will explain it. An ex-officio is a member or person who by the virtue of position, holds a position in a society. An ex-officio does have the right to attend meeting, and vote, but is under no obligation to participate. An ex-officio is not normally used to calculate what constitutes a quorum, nor to determine if a quorum is present. It is normal for the President of a society to hold the position of ex-officio on all committees except for nominating committees. As far as the Past President, this is a position that is honorary, and advisory in nature, holds no chair of a standing committee, can not be appointed, elected, or replaced in term, nor is performance, or participation required, and as such should be considered an ex-officio member of the board. Terry Allen has chosen to abstain from the bylaws committee meetings, which as the ex-officio is his right, as he is under no obligation to do so. Paul Rode is on the committee in the capacity of a HPOCA member, not as the ex-officio of the board, and that is his choice, not mine or yours. The next time you fully cock, it would be advisable to make sure the thing is loaded, as your comments are very disputable.','',0,'','dtivor6m',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2990,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.124',1080450586,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Doug_424,\r\nTo reply to your concern, the current proposal which has cleared committee is as far as nominations, the nominating committee will be made up of volunteers, solicited at the WGT membership meetings, consisting of the odd numbers of either 3 or 5, depending on availability of volunteers. If more than 3 or 5 volunteers are available, then lots will be drawn amongst these volunteers to determine who serves. The term &#039;lots&#039; would be by drawing straws, or some other fair method determined by the volunteers. The deadline for nominations will be the Summer membership meeting, where the chair of the nominating committee will be required to solicit nominations from the floor. I hope this clarifies some of your concerns.\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','20wr97rs',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2991,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.124',1080452377,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey uncledu,\r\nBill didn&#039;t check in frequently at the booth, as the others did, as a result, didn&#039;t make the meeting. I can understand this, as it was his first event, and he might not have known to check in. This was probably due to a breakdown in communication between the two of us, which resulted in this coordination problem. Yes, his issues were addressed, but probably not to the extent they would have been had he been there. I believe the results would be the same though. He has been working on some issues that I feel to be beneficial, and have addressed in the past myself. Specifically election of directors by assemblies, the committee is wary of trying this in the current environment, due to unreliable resources of candidate pools. Electing directors has cleared committee, as such, has doubled our need for candidates, which stretches our resources considerably. The committee is moving slowly and with caution, then perhaps a committee will look at this once we stabilize, and increase our ability to provide an improved supply of candidates. Later, Andy\n\n[Edited on 29-3-2004 by Andy]','',0,'','5gckaj2z',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2992,665,3,47,0,'65.238.36.124',1080452821,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I got mine Friday, which means it could have come the 150 miles anytime last week. If I had stayed home, maybe even Monday, but earning a living is an important thing!!!','',0,'','1q5ljddj',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2993,676,2,47,0,'65.238.36.124',1080453242,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','If it is stuck, and your garden variety of 18-27, I wouldn&#039;t go much more than scrap value. By the time you get everything fixed the way it is supposed to be, you will tie up enough money in it that you could get one in good shape. But, if you are like I am, and like to work on &#039;em, who knows!!! Later, Andy','',0,'','2hvwv15u',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2994,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1080456299,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Andy\r\n   You are a very intelligent man...Who&#039;s coachin&#039; ya.   I admit I didn&#039;t know what &#039;ex-officio&#039; meant. So I had to look it up on this website.\r\n\r\n<!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/x_officio.htm\">www.senate.gov/reference/glossary_term/x_officio.htm</a><!-- w -->\r\n\r\nYou had it exact almost word for word. The only thing you have wronge is that the pres. does not have a vote. Other than that. You got it word for word. Why do you drive a tractor trailer when you should be a professor.\r\n\r\nSpeaking of professors it seems you have had an answer for just about everybody on this thread with one exception...Frank Dodson.  Why does he feel his efforts were fruitless while making suggestions to the by-laws committee. \r\n\r\nYou do realize he is a highly intelligent man as well.\r\nCould it be because the by-laws committee is just a farce!!! or did the by-laws committee deem his ideas as...well not very good.\r\n\r\nI believe I would go with the first one...The by-laws committee is a farce.\r\nStill fully cocked and indeed the thing is loaded\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747\n\n[Edited on 3-28-2004 by danny]','',0,'','1cjiiqhw',1,0,'',412,0,0),(2995,677,3,374,0,'205.188.116.195',1080477629,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','Its here','Got my magazine in upstate NY Thursday....','',0,'','3vfdyfth',1,0,'',374,0,0),(2996,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.15',1080480926,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny,\r\nNobody coaches me, it is not necessary. And yes, I know how intelligent I am, got test scores to prove it, I&#039;ve known this for years. And I do have a college education, and if I wished could teach college courses. I had enough time in classrooms, I like what I am doing, why change? There are many HPOCA members who are highly educated, I am not alone on this. I also know Frank is well educated, intelligent, and knowledgable. We agree to keep issues and persons separate. Have you met Frank? He is quite a guy. That doesn&#039;t mean we will always agree on issues, but I do consider him to be a friend. You probably wouldn&#039;t understand that. I guess it isn&#039;t sinking thru that this is the first time the bylaws have been changed outside of the board, before it was always done by the board, approved by the board and put on the annual ballot. This time membership approval to put on the ballot is required, a big difference. No, not everything suggested will be made into a change, most items are not bylaws issues, and relate to policy or procedural issues, which should not be addressed under the bylaws. Some items tend to give individuals or groups of individuals undue advantage over the body of the members, these are thrown out. You can think anything you want, I will still address the bylaws as an operating mechanism, and do so to the advantage of the body of the members.','',0,'','20vicfrf',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2997,678,6,47,0,'65.238.36.15',1080481981,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I like the 70 on the back cover, too. It reminds me that one of these days I need to teach myself how to use one of my computer programs to convert gray scale to color. It would be good to be able to use colorization in determining accurate colors and markings from original photos.','',0,'','1rdbymk2',1,0,'',47,0,0),(2998,664,3,88,0,'4.155.129.141',1080496909,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','By Laws.....\r\n\r\nHey Andy, all I can say is I&#039;ll believe it when I see it&amp;quot; \r\n\r\nWe heard the same type of talk BEFORE the last meeting, I was not present, but from what I heard, the issue will get nowhere.....','',0,'','2hw7d3be',1,0,'',88,0,0),(2999,664,3,553,0,'65.28.240.151',1080510574,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornfused','','I was invited to this site a few days ago and thought it would be a good place to hang out and glean some good information. While I admit I know nothing about the bylaws, the club, or the people who post here, I just wonder why ANYONE would want to join after reading the last three pages of bickering. I think I&#039;ll just play with my tractors and enjoy the shows!','',0,'','3ho394mz',1,0,'',553,0,0),(3000,664,3,88,0,'4.155.129.180',1080512217,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Cornfused,,,,,If you knew what on with this organization last fall, you might undertsand why some people are not happy.......What the leadership did has taken a lot away from what this is suposed to be. It&#039;s now a political mess, with what some might call a power hungry autocratic group running it.','',0,'','3gcejgjn',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3001,664,3,553,0,'65.28.240.151',1080513623,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornfused','','That&#039;s why I said I did not know what was going on, but why would anyone want to join? I&#039;m just going to stay out of it.','',0,'','33zujgf1',1,0,'',553,0,0),(3002,664,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1080518729,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','To cornfused,\r\nI can see where you stand not wanting to join our group from what you see on this webpage.  Please before you try to discount us, take into mind that most of the people in our group actually do enjoy the more important things in life, playing with our tractors and sharing in the fellowship with others that enjoy the same.\r\n\r\nTo Doug_424,\r\nYou are most definitely entitled to your opinions on what has/is going on this club, but please do not use this website to run off someone who is a potential member.  It would be just like someone posting on here not to subscribe to Oliver Heritage.  I&#039;m sure if someone were to do that you and at least a few other people would not be very happy.','',0,'','1dz50phl',1,0,'',142,0,0),(3003,664,3,88,0,'4.155.69.75',1080519434,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','98dba,,,,,,,,I am not in anyway trying to &amp;quot;run off&amp;quot; a new member. My intention was exactly the opposite. I was explaining the situation and reason for the obvious discontent among many members. My point was to get cornfused and anyone else more interested and hopefully to participate. I pesonally wish more members were knowledgeable and active on this forum. If that were the case, I&#039;m sure recent events may have been handled in a different manner.','',0,'','157uyhj8',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3004,682,5,10611,0,'12.28.115.27',1080523764,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin','HPOCA Photo Barn','It&#039;s up and running, The HPOCA Photo Barn can be seen at \r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.hartparroliver.org/gallery/index.php\">http://www.hartparroliver.org/gallery/index.php</a><!-- m -->\r\n\r\nI have added photos I took at the Winter Get-Together in Lancaster, PA. \r\n\r\nI have also added a section for HPOCA members to have their own photo albums that they can add pictures to themselves. Since web space is limited, these albums are for HPOCA members only. Anybody will be able to view them though. If you are an HPOCA member and want your own album, just email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e --> and tell me you full name, zip code and HPOCA membership number, and I&#039;ll get you set up.\r\n\r\nI&#039;ll be adding a link to the Photo Barn to the home page in the near future. Until then, just use the link above.\r\n\r\nAs always, comments and suggestions are welcome.','',0,'','euqctksa',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3005,682,5,5,0,'216.166.193.63',1080530802,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','picture comments','Chris, NICE PICTURES! Is there any way to view the comments left by others? I like to see what others think when viewing picture albums. Thanks     Jim Thurnau  8138','',0,'','3rgg2qmf',1,0,'',5,0,0),(3007,684,3,403,0,'66.187.42.64',1080533661,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Farmer in The Dells (WI)','whose rules?','Does this organization follow Robert&#039;s rules of order when discussing meetings?','',0,'','1bge0yhm',1,0,'',403,0,0),(3008,664,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1080534028,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Agree with Doug','Doug, I have to agree with you.  What you did was attempt to explain why the discontent was occuring.  The concliusions that &amp;quot;cornfused&amp;quot; made were his conclusions, not necessarily your fault.  The truth needs to be given, so that consumers may make an informed choice as to whether or not they desire to subscribe.\r\n\r\nOliver Renegade Ed\r\nnumber unknown, card stuffed too far in wallet to dig out','',0,'','3empd9tp',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3009,682,5,10611,0,'216.93.70.228',1080534276,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','To leave a comment on a individual picture, click on the picture to enlarge it. When the large version of the picture comes up, under it will be a link that says [add comment]. Click on that to leave a comment about that picture. \r\nOnce a picture has a comment, a red * will appear by the picture, which means it now has a comment with it. Just click on the picture to enlarge it and all comments for it will come up with the picture.\r\n\r\nAnd thanks!','',0,'','1qxvn0mi',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3010,684,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1080534299,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Meetings','Does Roberts Rules have a section that covers the discussion of meetings by members?  I know it does cover the conduction of meetings.\r\n\r\nOliver Renegade Ed','',0,'','1a2adl4p',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3012,664,3,142,0,'66.79.85.139',1080544578,1,0,1,1,1,0,'98dba','','Doug,\r\nI would like to apologize for my accusation against you.  Obviously I read into it in a different way than it was intended.  I hope there are no hard feelings because of this.','',0,'','n016dm1o',1,0,'',142,0,0),(3013,684,3,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1080565014,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John (C-IL)','Roberts Rules of Order','Farmer, Robert&#039;s Rules of Order are probably one of the most misunderstood pieces of work that exist on the planet. In short order, RRO are intended as a guidline for conducting a business meeting. The rules do not set organizational policy or dictate decorum of any given situation. Organizational policy is set by the constitution and by-laws and in some cases may over-ride RRO. I know this answer is general and as clear as mud, but basically the only time that RRO apply to the HPOCA is when a meeting is being conducted, and even then the rules can be modified or suspended on agreement of the participants.','',0,'','lh7ggjrs',1,0,'',7,0,0),(3014,664,3,88,0,'4.155.81.52',1080566484,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','98DBA,,,,,,No, no hard feelings. It&#039;s easy to misunderstnd someone when you read, rather than actually hear what they say.','',0,'','101xoiuq',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3015,684,3,47,0,'65.238.36.232',1080571180,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Yes, I would agree with John (C-IL). RRO was first published Feb. 19, 1876, it has lots of history behind it, and has continually evolved since, the newly revised version is now in the 10th edition. Some of this history concerns what it is. RRO is basically a compilation of the way societies in general conduct their business. It is good for informational purposes. Our bylaws currently do not supercede RRO, this is one of the housekeeping changes we are proposing, it is usually better when a bylaws takes precedence over RRO, thus empowering the bylaws. Meeting are and should be governed by RRO, and RRO is used to decide points of order. RRO is considered by most parliamentarians to be the definitive works on parliamentary procedure. I hope this helps you, take care!','',0,'','2f653y82',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3016,684,3,47,0,'65.238.36.232',1080571866,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey edward.tabor,\r\nIf you can be a little more specific, perhaps I can answer your question. Are we talking about discussion of meetings in the meeting, or outside the meeting, after recess or adjournment. Publicly or in private? If you can define your question a little better, I will try to provide you a good answer. Take care!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','1pu7qvcz',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3017,685,1,553,0,'65.28.240.151',1080606434,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornfused','1600 seat','What color should the seat be on a 1600?','',0,'','23tpd5qa',1,0,'',553,0,0),(3018,685,1,35,0,'68.210.80.233',1080614616,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','','If you are referring to the cushion I believe they were white.','',0,'','14sjhnus',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3019,685,1,553,0,'65.28.240.151',1080614839,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornfused','','Thanks Frank. There seams to be varied opinions on this question!  8^)','',0,'','2p8ibjvu',1,0,'',553,0,0),(3020,686,1,549,0,'152.163.253.34',1080615778,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Kevinstoys64','Up for sale wheel weights and cast wheel centers','The Wheel weights and cast iron wheel centers that I had on EBAY did not sell, so I am posting this FOR SALE AD. \r\n\r\nCast Wheel centers (pair) cast # IKA-705\r\nWheel weights (pair) cast # HA 123-5B\r\n\r\nI&#039;ve reduced the prices to $150.00 for the centers pair and $70.00 for the rear wheel weights pair.\r\n\r\nI&#039;m located in mid-Michigan\r\n\r\nemail me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:WKSS101787@aol.com\">WKSS101787@aol.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','31c61qt4',1,0,'',549,0,0),(3021,687,2,163,0,'207.177.76.154',1080615791,1,0,1,1,1,1,'uncledu','Red river special and a six year old','The other day a kid named Jaked looked at my thresher and asked Why did&#039;nt they just use a combine?                              We should all remember our goal to restore and and preserve not fight about who is smart who is dumb, who is right who is wrong or who won the war.Our goal is to teach kids about how past generations went about their job of feeding and building this nation.      Duane Brandt','',0,'','17xb8yg0',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3022,688,1,549,0,'152.163.253.34',1080616260,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Kevinstoys64','For sale 1962 Oliver 550','For sale, \r\n1962 Oliver 550\r\n2370 hrs.\r\nFreeman Loader,w/dual bucket cylinders,\r\noriginal paint, 2nd owner, 80% rear rubber, new front rubber. This is a nice one!!!!!\r\nAsking $6900.00\r\nemail me and I&#039;ll send my phone number.','',0,'','lwdvalgo',1,0,'',549,0,0),(3023,689,3,143,0,'67.2.245.101',1080619387,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnnye','Renewal form came','Doesn&#039;t seem like that long ago I paid for two years, but my card says &amp;quot;8-2004&amp;quot;.  Always thought I was getting alot for my money.  Not so sure any more.  $30/yr seems like an awful lot considering the transition and all.  I haven&#039;t been involved in the national or regional clubs other than pay my dues and get a good magazine.  It just doesn&#039;t seem like the club it used to be, and that is not a compliment.  I met people like Bob Tallman at Ageless Iron one year.  I felt proud to be in a club with people like him that were very unassuming.  Can&#039;t say that anymore.  I wish HPOCA along with Chris and Becky alot of luck, but I think I&#039;ll go play with my other green tractors, at least they can justify some of their arrogance!\r\n#3861  Pay attention to the renegades','',0,'','3ul074wf',1,0,'',143,0,0),(3024,686,1,549,0,'205.188.116.136',1080640060,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Kevinstoys64','More info!','I forgot to say OR BEST OFFER on the wheel centers or the wheel weights. Had a sometimers moment.','',0,'','5wdpumek',1,0,'',549,0,0),(3025,688,1,549,0,'205.188.116.136',1080640261,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Kevinstoys64','Need to add to the 550 for sale','I forgot to mention that the rears are loaded, there is also a set of duals for the rear that are included. Also a set of tire chains.\n\n[Edited on 3-30-2004 by Kevinstoys64]','',0,'','39fx1bo3',1,0,'',549,0,0),(3026,687,2,5,0,'216.166.193.164',1080650720,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oleblu','','Well put.  oleblu','',0,'','258jsfzn',1,0,'',5,0,0),(3027,665,3,105,0,'68.63.248.18',1080655361,1,0,1,1,1,1,'995Lugmatic','','Its Tuesday the 30th and I still dont have mine...\r\nI wonder if my subscription got messed up?  My dad got it for me at the Farm Mach. show in Louisville, and they swore it would be here.','',0,'','2bj3b8uz',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3028,690,1,43,0,'158.247.216.48',1080673471,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverdude','oliver question','What was the most coomon wood that Oliver used as plow handles, plow beams, or tongues on horse drawn implements? I&#039;m thinking hickory???\r\nThanks,\r\nGeoffrey','',0,'','1i6sygby',1,0,'',43,0,0),(3029,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1080680037,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Andy,\r\n           I must apologize for taking so long to answer your questions to me.   As you know being self employed this is a busy time of year.\r\n         \r\nI have never met Frank Dodson, however I have been corresponding with him over the computer. Seems to be a very likeable fellow. In fact many people he considers friends I do as well and there are many issues we are in agreement.   I believe a friendship may transpire between Frank and I.\r\n         \r\n Of course I do realize my friendship with Frank certainly will not have the strong foundation your&#039;s has.  As you know a few correspondences and possibly one meeting with a person certainly doesn&#039;t constitute a friendship.\r\n        \r\nI have to admit most of the people I have already established friendships with are in agreement with most issues I&#039;m passionate about.   I have lost friendships over not agreeing over certain issues. None of these were HPOCA related.\r\n            \r\nI believe its only human nature for someone to seek friends that are mostly in agreement with them. As well as being human nature for friendships to be split up due to disagreements on issues.   I believe the HPOCA officers and directors are an excellent example of this. The examples they have supplied us with are almost to numerous to mention. I will offer some...firing the editor w/o explanation, sending an offensive letter to Landis, oh and of course closet gate. There are many more.  \r\n       \r\nSo indeed I&#039;m not the only one who may have lost friendships over disagreements. I do find it exceptional you can passionately disagree with an individual and still maintain a friendship.  However I have to wonder....\r\n    I find it very easy for a person to describe somebody as a friend but is it truly a friendship...if the other person doesn&#039;t share the same sentiments!!!! \r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\n\r\n[Edited on 3-30-2004 by danny]\n\n[Edited on 3-30-2004 by danny]','',0,'','1s9vgge4',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3030,665,3,15,0,'199.174.148.129',1080685852,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Gaston Tew','Magazine','It is Tuesday, March 30, 2004 at 4:30PM and there is no magazine in Alabama.  Don&#039;t think it can be blamed on the Postal Service as all my other magazines, publications, etc. are on time.  There are not too many Olivers in this area and the magazine has been a souce of information and parts.  If it doesn&#039;t improve before renewal I will not renew.    #2295','',0,'','2z50mek9',1,0,'',15,0,0),(3031,691,2,557,0,'80.40.60.42',1080686959,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bazza','Hart parr 18-36 piston wanted.','Hi.\r\nI&#039;m looking for a new or used piston for a hart parr 18-36 don&#039;t really mind which compression height because i already have one of each and need a pair, standard or oversize is ok because i can turn down an oversized piston to suite my standard bore. will also need other parts so if anyone is parting a tractor let me know.\r\n\r\nBarry','',0,'','1dpj8b3q',1,0,'',557,0,0),(3032,692,1,558,0,'216.16.76.67',1080687424,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Gundie','Parsons Tractor','Greetings,\r\n      I am interested in info pertaining to to\r\n a Model D Parsons tractor, I am told was\r\n built by Oliver. It appears to be an industrial version. I am wondering about\r\n years of manufacture, HP, if they had PTO,\r\n and any other information. Your help is\r\n deeply appreciated. Thanks,\r\n \r\n  Don','',0,'','366pxhby',1,0,'',558,0,0),(3033,665,3,88,0,'4.155.69.56',1080694941,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I guess I was just lucky, getting mine when it &amp;quot;should&amp;quot; have come. It would make sense, if they were all mailed out at the same time that most everyone should have gotten theirs by now. Were they ALL mailed out at the same time? That is a question that I would assume the editor could answer.','',0,'','22vrn84n',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3034,690,1,35,0,'68.210.80.233',1080695515,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','plow handle','Hickory was the wood of choice for plow handles. My granddad sold Oliver horse drawn equipment until the early 50&#039;s. I have a price list from 1940 and handles could be had for $1.40 and the No.20 moldboard plow sold for $16.90 wholesale.\r\nMy 88 year old father said that on rare ocassions local blacksmiths would use oak handles but they didn&#039;t last long.<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','3gqv7n6h',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3035,690,1,67,0,'64.6.2.69',1080695673,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Terry','','I am not sure about the plow beams or tongues, but most implement handles are made from ash wood, for the strength and rigidity.  That is the same reason that shovel handles are made from ash wood today.  Will have to take a look at my plows to check on type of wood on the beam.  Terry.','',0,'','3rvsxemd',1,0,'',67,0,0),(3036,693,1,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1080697638,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Oliver 990 Tire Sizes','I need to know what size tires the Oliver 990 came with, from the factory or as options.\r\n\r\nThank you \r\n\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nEd','',0,'','lx2qfx4s',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3037,690,1,43,0,'158.247.216.39',1080699147,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverdude','','I sure appreciate the replies. I need to make a new horse tongue for my potato planter and wanted to use the right type of wood. Was the wood most generally painted or left in it&#039;s natural state? If you want to see an Oliver No. 5 horse drawn potato planter, I have pictures on my website: <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.geocities.com/olivercollector\">www.geocities.com/olivercollector</a><!-- w -->','',0,'','b5kd81wl',1,0,'',43,0,0),(3038,690,1,35,0,'68.210.80.233',1080700813,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','','If I remember correctly the handles on the later Oliver plows and planters were painted red but replacement handles were natural.','',0,'','2vuejqtn',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3039,693,1,35,0,'68.210.80.233',1080701050,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','','I think the front tires were 7.50x18 and the rear tires were 18x26 or 14x34.','',0,'','11sg3ybp',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3040,665,3,110,0,'205.188.117.13',1080703286,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Cookieoliverman','nothin here yet','still no magazine in southern ontario. It must be really good this time, the postal guys wont give it up!!!!!:(','',0,'','1ua60nn6',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3041,665,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.222',1080711477,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','I have been assured that all copies were inserted into the USPS on the same day. I wasn&#039;t there to see it happen, but once they are mailed it seems to be a hit or miss kind of thing. We are looking into what is going on, but rest assured, we are just as frustrated as anybody over this. We didn&#039;t receive our copy until the 27th, so we know something isn&#039;t right. I wish I could give you a better answer right now, but that is all I have at this time.','',0,'','c7j8t1or',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3042,690,1,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1080741330,1,0,1,1,1,1,'OliverEducation','','Between South Bend and Chicago there used to be a marshy area called the Kankakee Marsh.  This marsh was famous for the acres and acres of hardwood trees that it contained.  Mr. Oliver, I&#039;m sure, made use of this great source of hardwood lumber for the construction of his plows.  However, from 1881 onward, the Singer Sewing Machine Company, also located in South Bend, was deforesting the marsh&#039;s hardwood for the sewing machine cabinets it was making.  Basically, by the early 1900s most of the hardwood was taken from the marsh, the marsh was drained and turned into rich farm land.\r\n\r\nThought you&#039;d like to know.\r\n\r\nTravis C.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','mvs65wkf',1,0,'',259,0,0),(3043,665,3,47,0,'65.238.36.66',1080749382,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Several years ago I hauled packages, delivering them to BMC&#039;s (bulk mail centers). It is amazing what they do at those places, mail of all size are going to different places, all at the same time. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if some went the wrong direction, taking the scenic route. I wonder it our magazines are bundled to go to the specific BMC serving the address to be delivered. That is one thing to check into. At BMC&#039;s the mail is separated to go to the post offices it serves, the rest is sent to other BMC&#039;s. If our mail is bundled to make this more efficient, it would be faster. Chris, why don&#039;t you look into this, as your BMC would not be Cincinnati, probably Battle Creek, or some place in Michigan. You should have it by now. Our BMC here would be Cincinnati, but, I think they were dragging their feet this time. We use bar code, so keying the zip is not the holdup. The printer would not make extra trips to the BMC, so, I am certain getting the magazine sent out all at the same time is not an issue, 6,000 pieces of mail is not a big deal, I hauled 20,000+ on each load, and it was processed in less than 2 hours.\r\nTake care, and have a great day!!! Later, Andy','',0,'','3dzzdaf0',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3044,693,1,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1080783121,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','Thank You Frank','Thanks for answering my question.  I appreciate it. \r\n\r\nOliver Renegade\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','2wjc0voy',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3045,694,1,559,0,'67.31.139.67',1080785114,1,0,1,0,1,0,'John Osterhaus','Pto question on Super77','I have a question about the PTO on my Super 77.  When I engage the PTO when a heavy load (bush hog) I can hear what sounds like a bad bearing up at the front of the transmission.  The noise is only there when I first engage the PTO, after the mower is up to speed the noise is gone.  It doesn&#039;t make any noise when I use the tractor on my sprayer.  Any idea would be great.  Thanks John.','',0,'','2ez7jzzl',1,0,'',559,0,0),(3046,665,3,65,0,'216.183.132.185',1080790932,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','Its here!','Magazine was here on monday but I know as of today wednesday Jim just 5 mile south hasn&#039;t got his! We are different post offices served out of same depot in southern ontario so go figure! And cookies a lot closer than we are!','',0,'','2tk2if5c',1,0,'',65,0,0),(3047,665,3,105,0,'68.63.248.18',1080820418,1,0,1,1,1,1,'995Lugmatic','','thurs......no mag:(','',0,'','3hwp1rra',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3048,694,1,12,0,'69.21.142.69',1080827747,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','A couple possible things','There is a support bushing mid-way on the drive shaft. The load could make the shaft flex enough to grind on the bushing. Or, the drive splines in the flywheel could be worn enough to slip under heavy load and not a light one. The easiest thing to do would be pull the PTO drive shaft and inspect splines, support bushing and rear bearing.  WB.','',0,'','1pj0mq0s',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3049,692,1,12,0,'69.21.142.69',1080828863,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Reference to the one on e-bay','I don&#039;t really know too much about it, but if you&#039;re talking about the one on e-bay, it looks like a 1600 industrial. I know that Parsons made loaders and backhoes. The grille on that tractor does not look like an Oliver grille. A 1600 would be from 1962-64. It probably has a Revers-o-torque transmission. My neighbor has an Oliver backhoe that looks quite similar but has a direct injection engine. WB.','',0,'','3t3x2fw1',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3050,665,3,47,0,'65.238.36.83',1080830021,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey 995Lugmatic,\r\nDid you see the u2u I sent you? Perhaps you should call the number on the message, and inquire as to if your membership renewal made the mailing list. I hope the service recorded it promptly, and you were taken care of. I have some question about that BMC, there is a truck daily between Cincinnati BMC and Memphis, or St. Louis, I know this because I have passed them on the highway, and having delivered to BMC&#039;s can remember most of the designations on the truck doors. Take care! Andy','',0,'','a2yl5kab',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3051,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.83',1080833136,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny,\r\nNow we are getting into one of the biggest social problems in the world, and I have no good solution. In a perfect world all people would automatically separate issues and persons, this is not a perfect world! I find great benefit by being able to separate issues from people, they are two different things. Combining issues with a persons stand on an issue, often leads to holding a grudge, which is not good for the person holding it, as it often will lead to anger, and I think you know how I feel about anger. Case in point, I live a short drive from where the biggest blood feud was, the Hatfield and McCoy family feud, by the time the feud was over, nobody on either side could tell what it was over, each side just wanted to kill anybody from the other side! That is what anger does!!! I have only met Frank a few times at Penfield, but I consider him a friend, and we have come to an agreement to view issues as a separate thing, thus we remain friends. How he views issues only relate to the issue, since he is a person, not an issue, I agree. I have many people that I have met only once, and consider a friend. None are like my buddies that I run around with here at home, but they are neverless friends. You can&#039;t have too many! As to the letter send to Landis, to understand it you must first read Landis&#039; resignation letter, as the letter you refer to is a response in form of rebuttal. I have seen both. That is between those two, let them figure it out! It is better to address that issue in that way, because none of us are involved in that matter. If you have read my posts, you will know I believe the closet thing should have been done privately, this is my position, it will not change. That was not a public matter, it was private, and could have been handled better. But, it is done, can&#039;t turn the clock back, so, no need to worry about it, there are more important things in life to do! I feel that if there are things of importance that a person can change, and if it is beneficial to change these, do it! If it can&#039;t be changed, is not beneficial to change, or has no importance, let it go. That has alot to do with me not posting as much as normal. I simply don&#039;t see benefit in beating a dead horse.\r\nTake Care!!! Andy','',0,'','140jkafx',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3052,665,3,110,0,'152.163.252.163',1080837592,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Cookieoliverman','no april fools','Thursday, the first, still aint here.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->  Postal costs just keep rising, but the service seems to keep going the other way!!!!','',0,'','3set6hr1',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3053,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1080847604,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Andy,\r\n    I certainly cannot win a popularity contest against you.  I choose my friends very wisely and make certain, to the best of my ability, that they consider me their friend.  Once a friendship is established I treat it very sacred and nurture it to grow.  I don&#039;t believe meeting someone once makes a very strong friendship . \r\n\r\nI think, too many people describe another as a friend just to make themselves look better to others or maybe to help get more support for that persons own cause. When in all honesty the other person indeed doesn&#039;t feel the same sentiments. \r\n\r\n You did arouse my curiousity though. At first I had thought my own personal definition of what a friend was could have been wronge. So I looked it up in Webster&#039;s dictionary. I will take the time now and write Webster&#039;s definition of friend. I believe it would be of interest to many.\r\n\r\nFriend    1: a person whom one knows well and is fond of ;intimate associate ;close acquaitance    2:a person on the same side in a struggle ;one who is not an enemy or foe ;ally   3: a supporter or sympathizer   4:something thought of as like a friend in being, helpful, reliable, etc.   5: a member of the Society of Friends; Quaker\r\n \r\nSo indeed I don&#039;t believe my definition was wronge after all. I do not feel the need to list the names of all my friends as they already know who they are.  I will continue to nurture old friendships and establishing new ones. \r\n\r\nThankfully the problems with HPOCA will not turn out like the battle of the Hatfields and McCoys. Not that the members don&#039;t own guns but I&#039;m certain most people will find it cheaper not renewing their membership. Its not worth wasting a bullet over.\r\n\r\nKeep it real\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'','2fneurp2',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3054,665,3,15,0,'165.121.233.51',1080849983,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Gaston Tew','Magazine','Thursday April 1 and still no magazine.','',0,'','1aikci47',1,0,'',15,0,0),(3055,664,3,88,0,'4.155.69.34',1080858143,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Hey Andy,,,,,,,\r\n\r\nJust a suggestion, but since you have told us you went to college, you must have taken some English courses, right? Well my point is, there is a thing called a paragraph. It makes a division between subjects and ideas when you write. Now, I&#039;m not college educated, like you, but I do find use of the paragraph makes things a bit easier to read.\r\n\r\nIn most of your posts here, you usually have a lot to say (Civil War references, and such) and breaking it up a bit would make it a lot easier for us dumb Yankees  to follow what you are saying......','',0,'','3c1x1z80',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3056,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.122',1080860891,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Sorry about that Doug_424,\r\nI&#039;ll try to remember that. Alot of that style comes from other languages, for instance, in Russian a sentence can run for pages, and cover many subjects. Where I don&#039;t write in Russian, I do use an electronic translator, but I must use a format they would understand. Sometimes this carries over to what I am writing elsewhere, Have a good day! And take care! Andy','',0,'','e1b1xtdk',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3057,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.122',1080861449,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Well Danny,\r\nYou are certainly due your opinion, and I am due mine.\r\nYou may choose your friends however you wish, I have the same option.\r\n If my way seems lax to you, that is my business, and how you handle your affairs is your business.\r\nIf you think a person is the same thing as an issue, I will tend to say let&#039;s agree to disagree.\r\nHave a great day! Take care!  Andy','',0,'','1vvllwxi',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3058,665,3,47,0,'65.238.36.82',1080944792,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey 995Lugmatic,\r\nI think it was Jim Kline who collected your dues from your father, at Louisville. Anyhow Jim e-mailed me and is taking a personal interest in you not getting your magazine, and has instructed Chris to send you a copy of the last 2 editions. If the paperwork on your dues hasn&#039;t caught up yet, then you will be ahead of the game a couple of months or so. If not then you will have plenty of duplicate reading material!!!\r\nTake care! And have a great day!!!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','2gqmiq29',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3059,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1080947927,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Yea okay Andy, Besides this is not getting anywhere anyways. Sort of reminds me of the rediculous by-laws forum. Just a waste of energy.\r\n\r\n    I will have to say your ways of choosing friends does have its flaws.  The terrorist&#039;s that brought down the twin towers certainly are people with, I hope, opposing issues than you. Do you not agree the issue makes the person in that case?  I hope you do not seperate issues from person in this case.\r\n\r\nFor the safety of all, Andy please choose you friends wisely!!!!\r\n\r\nSee My arguements can be as rediculous as yours.\r\n\r\nI do know the political tactic used here in calling someone a friend and claiming you are open minded enough to seperate issues from person...If the other person would stand up and deny the friendship. That makes him look like the closed minded bad guy. I find this tactic appalling!\r\n\r\nBut hey, thats just my opinion and I am certainly entitled too it!\r\n\r\nhasta la vista\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747\n\n[Edited on 4-2-2004 by danny]','',0,'','8iu9v00e',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3060,691,2,560,0,'216.37.153.221',1080996177,1,0,1,1,1,0,'hartparr1','have two 18-36 pistons for sale','two pistons 18-36 for sale email  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:hartparr@epix.net\">hartparr@epix.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','35b9rd4z',1,0,'',560,0,0),(3061,695,2,560,0,'216.37.153.221',1080996469,1,0,1,1,1,0,'hartparr1','Madison Kipp 12 feed oiler for sale','Madison Kipp oiler for sale turns over and pumps oil     <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:hartparr@epix.net\">hartparr@epix.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','qqutqv2i',1,0,'',560,0,0),(3062,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.119',1081050160,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Well Danny,\r\nAt least my opinion is soundly based on parliamentary law. So much so, that a member of a society can be called to out of order for referring to another member by name, under parliamentary procedure. \r\n I will not agree that persons are the same thing as issues. I have friends here who have never agreed with me on issues, and I have known them for longer than you have been on this earth. Just because we don&#039;t agree does not make me feel they are a bad person, as a matter of fact, I view it to the contrary, some of them would even split their stove wood with somebody in need. All it means is I don&#039;t agree with them on some or all issues.\r\nYou can take the easy way out if you want, but eventually everyone will disagree, and when someone disagrees with you, remember, they are no longer on a friendly basis with you. That is your concept, not mine!!! Eventually, the law of probability will show a negative effect on your ability to secure friends.\r\nAs far as HPOCA goes, why should it concern you? You have repeatedly made it very clear that you are getting out, so why deal with something that you will have no input in?\r\nTake Care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','2pi6cx0o',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3063,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1081058410,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Andy,\r\n   No need to worry. I have no problem keeping friend&#039;s. Maybe because I treat the friendship sincerely and not try to use it as a political tool or maybe because I attempt to make more than one correspondense with the person I&#039;d like to be friends with.   \r\n       \r\nAs far as splitting wood. I know what you are getting at.   I am very much into helping people out. Whether its money or just support. In fact this year many people I know have been hit very hard with tragic and bad news.  Alot of people are in my prayers and I try too offer as much support as possible.  Not all these people do I consider as friends but then again I don&#039;t consider them enemies. Just people I know in tough situations. \r\n\r\nI don&#039;t think I know anybody I can call an enemy. I try to avoid that type. Again I think thats human nature.\r\n\r\nAnyways why do I concern myself with the affairs of HPOCA ? Especially when I&#039;ve already made it clear I won&#039;t be renewing in March 05?\r\n\r\nVery simple\r\n\r\nArticle II\r\nMembership and dues\r\nH. Dues shall be non-refundable\r\n\r\nThe way I figure it...I have one year to scream my head off  about how unhappy I am with the way this club conducts its business or you have one year to convince me to renew.\r\nThanks to Bob Cook and Ed Brandt  for convincing me to stay with it until its over.\r\n\r\nOh yea, while you are doing the by-laws. You may want to change that one. What do you think?\r\n\r\nStay Cool\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\n\r\n \r\n.','',0,'','2m7b5kzd',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3064,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.70',1081066679,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Danny.\r\nActually what I think doesn&#039;t mean a great deal in committee, I preside over the committee. I set it up that way.\r\nEverything is a committee decision. I did do some ground work before taking the committee, to allow it to function as a committee and not as an extension of the board, as was done before. Anything, and everything put in front of the committee will be taken apart, and analyzed to see how it will effect anything else, then some sort of agreement is hammered out. I can set an agenda, that has been set, and it is loose enough to be workable. I can indefinately postpone (table) issues, which I refrain from, I prefer to deal with them, unless it is clearly detrimental to do otherwise. Other than that I am pretty well limited. What I can&#039;t do is to say I want something and that is the way it is. That is clearly out of order.\r\nWhat I did not do, which was an option open to me, was to form a one man committee, and have my suggestions put on the ballot.\r\nI feel all committees should have at least 2 members other than the chair. So far I haven&#039;t been able to convince the committee to incorporate this requirement into the bylaws.\r\nBut, that is not my highest priority. Going into this duty, I set 2 priorities, one was to elect directors, the other was to find a fair way to conduct nominations. Both agendas have cleared committee. So, I consider anything else beneficial that is accomplished to be gravy.\r\nHave a good day, and take care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','39cp4na0',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3065,664,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1081086040,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Andy\r\n     I think everybody knows .... Listen, your answer above is one of the reasons people.....oh, never mind. Really sounds like your gettin&#039; stuff done\r\n Party on dude\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747\n\n[Edited on 4-4-2004 by danny]','',0,'','l3zj04ej',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3066,696,3,374,0,'64.12.116.136',1081086518,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','The Elusive Bylaws','Andy.....\r\n\r\nWe have read numerous disortations on the bylaws,committee,work done,etc.,etc.....in a few threads.....\r\n\r\nIs there any reason why you as the &amp;quot;guru&amp;quot; of fine bylaws have not posted a copy of the proposed changes for all of us to read and absorb??\r\n\r\nCan we not see the proposed changes and /or review them??\r\n\r\nDo we need &amp;quot;special clearance&amp;quot; to view them??\r\n\r\nEd Brandt','',0,'','tizzbdls',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3067,664,3,465,0,'199.35.230.1',1081087351,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','SSDD','Or should that be the S andy dd.  I&#039;m back. Sorry Renegades. The old Pentium-133 finally died. Had to be off a while.\r\nAndy still putting everything on the [b:3d7sz7ui]OTHER[/b:3d7sz7ui] members of his commitee. I&#039;ll be back when I get time. got to get out to work.\r\n\r\nRenegade Keith','',0,'QA==','3d7sz7ui',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3068,696,3,47,0,'65.238.36.222',1081095481,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey NYSOliver,\r\nFirst thing is the rough draft hasn&#039;t been typed up yet, at least our recorder hasn&#039;t gotten a copy to me.\r\nThe next item is, in the environment I am working in, I will not print something that will possibly need revised. If I do so, and the committee feels a revision is in order, that would leave me wide open for any and every type of possible criticism.\r\nI guess it would be wise on my part to do as the other committee members are doing, say nothing! As the silent majority is giving me no visible support.\r\nIf you want to see the final draft, it will be at the membership meeting, Summer Show, in Madison, SD, August 28, 2004.\r\nSince this is volunteer work, I pay my own expenses, it is my time, which I am not compensated for in any way, I pay for supplies, postage, and any other expense I incurr. Nobody is going to tell me how, when, or where to spend MY time and money!!! As such, I am on my own schedule!\r\nTake Care!!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'QA==','29z8bhwc',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3069,697,6,407,0,'208.31.40.140',1081095536,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','Va to Pa or NY','Need to find if anyone is heading north out of Richmond VA who can fit tip toe steel on thier truck. PA or NY is even better. I live between Rochester and Syaracuse. Lancaster area Pa would be fine. Let me know. Thanks.','',0,'QA==','2gq04gq6',1,0,'',407,0,0),(3070,664,3,47,0,'65.238.36.222',1081096589,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I think I&#039;ll just let y&#039;all argue with each other. I have important things to do, like checking the air pressure in my car tires.','',0,'QA==','1otk53uo',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3071,698,1,561,0,'68.79.135.96',1081102274,1,0,1,1,1,0,'seinfeldfan','very old oliver magizines, stamps, catalogs and field manual','I have recently found a ton of old oliver books, very rare stamps and tons and tons of old fliers dating back to the 1920&#039;s. and suprisingly enough there all in mint comdition. id say theres over 50 stamps and has to be over 200 fliers and catalogs and everything else. my grandfather used to be a manager for oliver and traveled for them very much. we found two file cabinets just over flowing with these things. if anyone is interested in purchasing anything please e-mail me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:mikeyblink182fan4life@yahoo.com\">mikeyblink182fan4life@yahoo.com</a><!-- e --> thank you','',0,'QA==','171kzke9',1,0,'',561,0,0),(3072,696,3,12,0,'69.21.141.246',1081104071,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Preview of By-laws','Andy, How much time before the membership meeting will there be for review of the proposed changes? Will they be ready the first day of the show? Or will they be handed out at the meeting?  The membership needs to be given time to digest the proposed changes and vote on them in an educated manner. Thanks, WB.','',0,'QA==','1pkwkh0e',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3073,696,3,374,0,'205.188.116.148',1081108096,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','the elusive bylaws','Ok Andy.....I am a little confused.....\r\n\r\nWe are a national membership organization,we elect officers to represent us to the best of their ability,they appoint committees such as the bylaws,you ask for membership input,you rebut anything presented,you tell us how much work is in it,you present a draft at the Winter meeting that is not worth the paper its printed on,we ask for a copy of the proposed changes ,but for whatever reason they are not printed yet,we have to wait till the summer meeting to see them....well,guys and girls am I seeing this wrong or something???\r\n\r\nQuite frankly Andy,I really don&#039;t care what time,gas or money you&#039;ve spent.You stepped up and had the bomb strapped to your chest.If anyone else had volunteered we would have had to spend the same.As this Board&#039;s lightning rod I sincerely think that you&#039;ve taken one too many strikes to think that we are gonna wait till the summer meeting to see and/or vote on something we don&#039;t even know exists!!\r\n\r\nMost of us members belong or have belonged to many membership organizations and the members are informed at every aspect and the members make the decisions....\r\n\r\nbylaws...I can remember doing a dozen drafts before the membership approved it.....\r\n\r\nyou don&#039;t want to take any criticism,you give enough,of all people,you should take the most...\r\n\r\nbut in this club...any negative response you get called renegades,you are sent to a closet for repair,rely on a silent majority to maintain the good ol&#039;boys group or out pops the relatives to support their family member under fire and then back to the tall grass for them!!!!\r\n\r\nYou ever wonder why you have renegades or poor participation in club committees,keep up the good work with  your bylaws !!!\r\n\r\nEd Brandt    Renegade,renegade renegade:mad::mad:\n\n[Edited on 4-5-2004 by NYSOliver]','',0,'','2jd5cy35',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3074,696,3,47,0,'65.238.36.112',1081119683,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','Wrenchbender','Hey John,\r\nThe schedule for that hasn&#039;t been set as of yet. The more flak I get, the slower I work, and I can get real slow, especially on my nickle. As a matter of fact, I can drag my feet until the current administration expires, and let the committee die with no action taken. That is an option which is open to me.\r\n Folks think we will amend the bylaws at the meeting apparently. This is not the case. What will take place is the proposal will be submitted to the membership to be placed on the annual ballot as proposed. By provisions in the current bylaws, in must pass un-amended, which makes it undebatable, it is either yea or nea. If it passes, it will go to the whole membership on the annual ballot, and the proposed bylaws will appear in the election edition of the magazine for the entire membership to review. \r\nThere will be some handouts at Madison, I don&#039;t know when at this point.\r\n The action taken in Madison is just a technicality, which allows the issue to be put on the ballot.\r\n The actual approval or denial can only be done on the ballot. As far as timeframe to issue a proposal, that will occur sometime after the proposal clears committee. The rough draft was finished in handwriting about 15 or 20 minutes before the meeting in Lancaster, and has yet to be typed out. If the proposal passes or doesn&#039;t clear the membership meeting, or, is or is not approved on the annual ballot, as far as I am concerned, my job is finished.\r\n There is still some work to be done. Practically every change effects something else in the bylaws, so it will take some housekeeping to finish it out.\r\n Since the committee members don&#039;t live close by, this must be done when we are at an event or activity together, and have the time and facilities to work on it.\r\nI&#039;m going to turn this computer off, and hide the power cord, then check my air pressure in my car tires, again, and count all the clover leaves on the farm!!!\r\nHave a nice day! Later, Andy','',0,'','3m5wlrf7',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3075,696,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1081120068,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','We Need Time to Absorb before we vote','I have to agree with previous writers, the group needs time to absorb what the new bylaws are going to say before they are voted upon.  I belong to an active (over 3500 + calls/year) vollie Fire/Rescue/Ambulance Dept.  We have bylaw changes quite frequently.  We also have monthly meetings and, in the bylaws it is stated how to make these changes.  A member, any member, from probationary to lifetime support member, can make a change.  It must be written and signed off on be 3 officers.  Then the change gets its reading at a monthly meeting.  It is then posted to the wall and to the internal (members only) web site.  The next month it is read again and questions are answered.  The third month it is read and voted upon.\r\nWe need to do something similar, perhaps forgoing the three meeting thing, but keeping the ptimely posting so that members may read it.   \r\n\r\nOliver Renegade  Ed','',0,'','28mocnxx',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3076,664,3,65,0,'216.183.133.217',1081120583,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Canada Grant','frends!','You find out who your friends are darn quick when you are really down and out! After getting hurt in a wood cutting accident and airlifted to hospital my wife was ready to install traffic lights in the barnyard! There was no job too small or too dirty to be tackled while I was in and out of  hospital or after I came home . Visiters came from many miles while I was away or at home . &amp;quot;thems friends&amp;quot;','',0,'','eliv3dl0',1,0,'',65,0,0),(3077,696,3,47,0,'65.238.36.112',1081122982,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey ed.tabor,\r\nWhat is to be done at Madison is to decide IF the proposed bylaws will be put on the annual ballot, nothing more or less. The proposal if approved for the ballot will then be published in the magazine, which will give plenty of time for interested members to review it, and decide for themselves. I have some comrades in our American Legion Post here who also are volunteer firemen. There is considerable difference between the types of organizations. In the hobby of collecting Olivers, we don&#039;t have to take training courses in all the equipment, life support training, breathing apparatus, fire fighting techniques, and the many things which a fire company member is required to do. As a result, members of fire companies are an extremely tight knit bunch, your life depends on it.\r\nUntil my comrades were sitting around talking about the refresher courses they had to take, I had no idea of all that stuff, I doubt many folks realize how complicated it is. My Dad was in the same fire company when I was a kid, all he had to do was go there when he heard the siren. They blew it a specified number of times for which direction the fire was in, for instance, if the fire was north, and the number of times was 1, they would blow the siren once, then wait a few seconds and blew it once again, and continue this. Now, I guess they have pagers or cell phones, something of that nature. I was interested to learn of the device you guys use that makes a noise when someone isn&#039;t moving. I stopped by the firehouse a couple of months ago to support their carwash and hotdog sale. Some of the guys showed me some of their stuff. They had some sort of breathing apparatus with one of those buzzers on it. They turned the buzzer on and layed the device on a table, in a short time it started making a noise, the longer is set there the louder it got. One of them told me they wore that thing, and if it went off they would shake their tail and it would shut off. They told me that was in case one of them got trapped, that way someone could find him. I find that technology interesting. It certainly is different from the old Ford model A, firetruck they had when I was a kid.\r\nI better kill this computer, and cut the cord in two. Maybe I will then get something done around here.\r\nHave a good day!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','3grg53qs',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3078,664,3,88,0,'4.155.69.179',1081125417,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','Maybe Andy should check the &amp;quot;hot air&amp;quot; pressure. Seems to be a lot of hot air comin&#039; out of ol&#039; West Virginia lately:P','',0,'','3ybjaoun',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3079,657,1,562,0,'152.163.252.199',1081125748,1,0,1,1,1,0,'D. Stewart','Cast centers','I have a set of cast centers w/ rims &amp;amp; tires (12.4 x 28) that I just took off of my 60. These dudes are &amp;quot;heavy&amp;quot;!! I am in central Va. and will make you a &amp;quot;deal&amp;quot;. Sorry no weights though.','',0,'','1voxacny',1,0,'',562,0,0),(3080,665,3,15,0,'165.121.236.233',1081127443,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Gaston Tew','magazine','No magazine yet.<!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'','2j3tmsih',1,0,'',15,0,0),(3081,664,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1081130038,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','','Grant, you are so right.  Ed','',0,'','2ftzut50',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3082,696,3,163,0,'207.177.76.177',1081134744,1,0,1,1,1,1,'uncledu','','Andy those devices are called motion detectors and when you are trapped under something such as a fallen beam and can not move (even though you can scream and make a lot of noise) it will put out a loud piercing alarm. The way it looks you make a lot of noise with very little motion.   Duane Brandt   retired member Galva Fire Dept.                         <!-- s;) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\";)\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s;) -->','',0,'','2h6c5wcv',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3083,665,3,10611,0,'12.28.115.15',1081135963,1,0,1,1,1,0,'admin','','Gaston, and anybody else, you should have had your copy by now, if you live in the USA. Email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e --> and we&#039;ll send a replacement copy.','',0,'','24k70p1l',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3084,699,1,553,0,'65.28.240.151',1081162853,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornfused','1600 wheel center','I am looking for a wheel center for a 1600 with the spin out rims. I need the center with good adjusters as mine have been welded by the previous owner.','',0,'','1ofuligl',1,0,'',553,0,0),(3085,696,3,465,0,'204.32.114.63',1081166891,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','Okay Andy\r\n\r\nI hope I have this straight. The Summer meeting will determine [b:pgof37ml]IF[/b:pgof37ml] the changes will go on the ballot.\r\n After that takes place how long before a vote. Seems to me it should take at least several months. How many months do we get a chance do we get to [b:pgof37ml]TRY[/b:pgof37ml] to get a letter in the magazine to oppose these changes? How many letters Will Chris and Becky or the Board allow in? I know from the Renegades they might like to send one or two if the letters section can become a forum.\r\n BTW Chris if you read this,could we get your deadlines again.\r\n\r\nKeith M.\r\nCharter Renegade Member','',0,'QA==','pgof37ml',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3086,700,3,465,0,'204.32.114.63',1081167474,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','Oliver Heritage','Just Think, Its less than a month away. <!-- s:o --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif\" alt=\":o\" title=\"Surprised\" /><!-- s:o -->;):P:D','',0,'QA==','2sls7gjz',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3087,696,3,40,0,'64.12.117.14',1081169357,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Andy:\r\n\r\nAs someone that was somewhat involved with the by-laws committee i would like to suggest that you post a synopsis of the changes that were voted on by the committee.  It would be nice if you could include the changes that were voted on and did not pass as well as the ones that were voted on and passed by the committee.\r\n\r\nBy the way, if you still need someone to type them up, seeing as I&#039;m still an alternate committee member ( I think), I will type them if you want me to.  \r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'QA==','3moidxa3',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3088,696,3,47,0,'65.238.36.219',1081174911,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Keith M.,\r\nYou are correct, at the Summer Show the issue will be IF, the bylaws changes go on the ballot. It is up to the board to determine the exact dates for the election process. Due to the mailing situation, I will suggest the ballots come out in the Sept/Oct edition. I have looked into this mail problem, it is something that has always plagued us in various areas, since we are using a different BMC the areas have changed a little, but the mail is still a problem. The way I see it, to conduct a fair election, we need to get the ballots out early. As far as anything concerning the magazine, that should be addressed to the editor. They are the ones who do that. All I can do is to require the appropriate notice be published, and any documents that are required to be published.\r\nTake care of yourself!!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'QA==','2ry9vmv1',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3089,696,3,47,0,'65.238.36.219',1081176945,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Bill Brandt,\r\nI hope you are doing well! I would seriously consider your proposal, but it would be after the Summer Show, and if the proposal to put the issue on the ballot passes. Otherwise, it would accomplish nothing except bring up things that won&#039;t happen. If it doesn&#039;t pass, and I would do that it would appear to be &#039;sour grapes&#039;, and at this point I just want to finish the duty, how it turns out is up to the members.\r\nIt has become very obvious to me why many of my friends told me they didn&#039;t envy the position I am in. Ya just can&#039;t please everybody. \r\nI was talking to one of our old members this last weekend, he told me that I have given the members more than they have ever had before, and the bylaws have been amended twice before. The only thing the members knew was it was an issue on the ballot, and was published in the magazine. He told me that the members didn&#039;t realize that it is something better than before, because it has never been done this way before.\r\nSo, I try to look at all this in a positive manner. If I can open this door for our members, it will be an awful hard door to close. If I can&#039;t get it open, it will probably never be opened. But, it is really up to the members if they want progress or not. I know I am not getting as much progress as some wish, but, a little is better than none, and once it is done, we can&#039;t go back.\r\nI appreciate the offer to type up the rough draft. If Paul wants to do it, I&#039;ll let him. He can read his own handwriting, or as he calls it, &#039;chicken scratches&#039;! If not, maybe we can figure out something.\r\nI&#039;ll get back with you when I know more.\r\nI gotta finish up my truck repairs, and be ready to work in the morning! Gotta go!\r\nOnce again, thanks!!!\r\nHave a great day!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'QA==','3einyp60',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3090,696,3,465,0,'207.95.168.39',1081178129,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','Andy,\r\n\r\nAre the proposed changes going to be posted anytime soon in the Magazine, or here for that matter, so [b:2r466w8x]EVERYONE[/b:2r466w8x] can read them? I don&#039;t even remember seeing them at the winter meeting. I remember them or [b:2r466w8x]it[/b:2r466w8x] being announced.\r\n Are you going to allow for dissent or is this going to be ramroded through? There are 6000 members in this club and I think it is a disservice to them that they can not review them and prepare for the Summer meeting.  Their vote counts the same as yours.\r\n I know in advance I will not be able to attend and would like to cast my vote per Article V para.F\r\n Don&#039;t treat us like a bunch of mushrooms.\r\nLets have a more open discussion.\r\nMembers in other parts of the country or the world might even want to become involved. Is that not the problem with the club, no one wants to get involved. I remember you saying that somewhere in the bylaw forum. Or would this disrupt the the powers that be Idea on how the club [b:2r466w8x]will[/b:2r466w8x] be run?\r\n\r\nKeith M.\r\nProud to be a Renegade','',0,'QA==','2r466w8x',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3091,697,6,374,0,'205.188.116.148',1081198565,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','steel','NYADAM21-where is it at(address)? Give me a call 518-734-3574  Ed\r\nMay be there in a week or two...\n\n[Edited on 4-5-2004 by NYSOliver]','',0,'','1heua4pb',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3092,701,3,402,0,'216.93.70.216',1081206335,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Becky','Magazine Deadlines','These are the magazine deadlines, as they appeared in the March/April 2004 issue.\r\n\r\nArticle &amp;amp; Letter Deadlines:\r\n\r\nMay/June.....March 25\r\nJuly/Aug......May 24\r\nSept/Oct......July 26\r\nNov/Dec......Sept. 20\r\n\r\nAds &amp;amp; Classifieds Deadlines:\r\n\r\nMay/June.....April 5\r\nJuly/Aug......June 7\r\nSept/Oct.....Aug. 9\r\nNov/Dec......Oct. 4\r\n\r\n\r\nBecky','',0,'','12efiuzh',1,0,'',402,0,0),(3093,696,3,47,0,'67.241.135.48',1081214861,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','Hey Keith M.,\r\nWhat part of Madison, SD do you not understand? That is where I said at the WGT, and on this website the handouts will be available. And what part of non-debatable do you not understand? No, desention is not an option, you had your chance before the WGT, not only was previous notice published in the magazine, but a forum was set up on this website, for weeks there was very little response, only at the last few days was there any substanial response. You had your chance. If it was to be openly debated, why even appoint a committee? It is now up to the members of the committee to debate the issues. You have two options, one is yea, the other is nea. I don&#039;t care how it turns out, either way my job is done! Yes, you can assign a proxy, so long as the document bears your hand signature, is dated, and names your proxy. It is not necessary to do anything else, but I would suggest that you also include an effective issue and expiration date, unless you want an unexpiring proxy.\r\nIf I wanted to ramrod this thru, I would do it as others have in the past. The first thing you would know about it would be when you saw it on the ballot.\r\nI&#039;m going to work, y&#039;all can argue!\r\nHave a good day!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','lwit890v',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3094,700,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1081218789,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','','Yep, I can&#039;t wait.  I think I might write an article if the creative mood hits.\r\n\r\nOliver Renegade  Ed','',0,'','3dxn64ku',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3095,701,3,110,0,'64.12.117.7',1081219284,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Cookieoliverman','April 5th','Thanks Becky. Im glad you let me know that i have until april 5th(today)to submit classsifieds for the next issue. Wouldnt have know any other way bein as i still dont have my mag.<!-- s:mad: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mad.gif\" alt=\":mad:\" title=\"Mad\" /><!-- s:mad: -->','',0,'','2y4mpt2l',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3096,701,3,402,0,'216.93.69.142',1081220065,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Becky','Magazine Deadlines','Bob,\r\n\r\nActually, if you clicked on the &#039;magazine&#039; icon on the homepage - there is a link that will take you to the same deadlines.  The link has been there for weeks, so you, and everyone that has the internet, has had access to the dates, before the magazine even went to the printers. \r\n\r\nBecky','',0,'','2c8vk3ix',1,0,'',402,0,0),(3097,701,3,110,0,'64.12.117.7',1081220963,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Cookieoliverman','Sorry, wasnt aware of that','Oh, ok,im sorry Becky, i wasnt aware of the schedule being available there. Actually i never even thought to look. Been to busy runnin to the mail box everday, only to come back emptyhanded. Just out of curiosity sake, if all the internet folks were to have knowen this, why were they just  posted here today? Just wonderin:      Thanks Bob','',0,'','1w04waka',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3098,701,3,402,0,'216.93.69.142',1081221420,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Becky','Magazine Deadline','Bob,\r\n\r\nSomeone else asked Chris to post them today, but since he was out working, I posted them.  I didn&#039;t post them within the post that they were asked about though.  I thought they would be more noticable, for those that wanted them, if I put them in separate post.\r\n\r\nIf you would e-mail me (<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:becky@hartparroliver.org\">becky@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e -->) your membership number, I can check with the subscription service, to make sure they didn&#039;t get your magazine back, as undeliverable.  Everyone&#039;s went out on the same day, but once the magazines are in the postal system, it&#039;s beyond our control.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nBecky\n\n[Edited on 4-6-2004 by Becky]','',0,'','of2jplp5',1,0,'',402,0,0),(3099,701,3,110,0,'64.12.117.7',1081222745,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Cookieoliverman','Becky','I dont hold either you or Chris responsible for the fact that i havent yet received my magazine. Not in the least. But i will admit that its getting very frustrating, when i know members 2 hours to the north of me have had theirs for a week and still it dont appear. I have been remaining silent about all this for weeks and was so involved in lookin for the magazine, it never even ocurred to me that i had missed the spring issue deadline for advertising which i had fully intended to use. But like i said, it certainly isent the editors fault this time.  Member #2057  Bob Cook','',0,'','1nv1uxpl',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3100,701,3,122,0,'65.117.137.150',1081223345,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Rockin-B','','Different dates for different issues, thats not confusing at all.Keeps you guessing.Who said it should be easy.Like the 1 st or 15 th of the month prior to the month of the issue .Now that&#039;s easy........Well aah,gee aah, I&#039;m gonna put an add in aah, aah Oh by the aah 4th aah, no aah by the 6th,or aah no by the 5 th,aah skip it.','',0,'','2v5gza1y',1,0,'',122,0,0),(3101,696,3,465,0,'206.216.156.231',1081226734,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Keith M.','','Andy,\r\n Sorry, my poor old P-133 took a powder about a week after the WGT. I have not been on for several weeks. Please excuse me most powerful keeper of the bylaws. You forget your Prozac or somthing?\r\n\r\n Please look in the Bylaw Forum. [b:1d8ja0at]I was there.[/b:1d8ja0at] I gave suggestions. Don&#039;t jump down my throat.\r\n\r\n I was at the WGT. Sat right next to the Tabors. I heard that there was only one change approved by your committee. I&#039;m not sure of my memory,  I believe it had to do with adding an at-large type board member. (i&#039;m not totally against it. Just thought there should be more)\r\n Now go back and look at some of my posts right after the WGT. I expressed my concern with the lack of proposals out of your committee at that time. \r\n As to Madison; I am not going but I have friends that may. I want them to be prepared. \r\n Again I may be wrong, I&#039;m sure you will correct me if that&#039;s the case, Is there not going to be a vote on weather to put this proposal on a ballot to be voted on by the membership? Is it a secret? Why not announce it and open it for comment strickly on its merits or lack of? \r\n What percentage of the membership reads this board? By the number of hits I say that percent is very low. In  the magazine would give all  members a chance to hear pros and cons from other members before a ballot. How many times have I heard that The magazine serves as our clubs  newsletter. \r\n The way you would like to do it is not right. There is no chance for any type debate on if there should even be a ballot. \r\n If there is a ballot the way I see it the ballots should not come out till Nov./Dec. at the earliest. Whats the rush? Someone, maybe you, may want to write a letter to the editor in support of it.\r\n What is the big deal about posting the proposal in the Magazine. There is nothing in the bylaws that says you can&#039;t. Let it pass or fail on it&#039;s merit. They still have countless ads for the address change.  Lack of space can&#039;t be a reason to not publish it.\r\n I do believe that you and the board are scared to death of the proxy vote. You seem to come unglued each time I mention it. I didn&#039;t write the bylaws. Heck, they had Mr. Kline running around scouring the halls  for me to find out what I was up to with my proxy votes.\r\n You ask me why have a committee. After seeing all the good suggestions that were given in the Bylaw Forum, and hearing what came out of that committee, I ask you the same thing!!! What good are Ya?\r\n I know you gave some time to it. All the posts you put up takes time too. Hey, your not the only one. I don&#039;t have much in the way of typing skills. It takes awhile for me to post something here. \r\n I ask anyone who reads this to go back and read some of Bylaw Forum. Read the suggestions made to Andy, then make up your minds who&#039;s talkin&#039; trash.\r\n\r\nKeith M.','',0,'QA==','1d8ja0at',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3102,701,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1081282192,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Hey Cookieman,\r\n        I run up the Pa Turnpike and every now and then I can catch a few of the truckers hauling mail from Philly to Allentown.\r\n       I had the opportunity to catch a couple of those guys this morning.  Slow Hand and Gorillaman.   I told them about Cookieman&#039;s missing magazine. At first they were very offended and hurt that the postal service was blamed.\r\nAfter all they don&#039;t like anybody demeaning their job. I guess they are like anybody else who is proud of their work.\r\n     Anyway they said they will make a report to the General Post Master and he will hopefully establish an A.P.B. on your missing magazine.   You should see it within a few....unless it was sent from the Abu Dhabi post office.    They use carrier pigeons!!!and the Abu Dhabian&#039;s find the birds fun to shoot down and delicious to eat!!!! \r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'QA==','sdfkmjnk',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3103,76,1,565,0,'63.175.184.130',1081286928,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Otisco33','OC-4 Dozer','I recently purchased an OC-4 with dozer blade.  I&#039;d love to help you with pictures, etc.  I even have an engineering drawing of the framework.  But, I&#039;m not sure what I have is a Weldco, or even if I have a series B machine.  How do I tell?','',0,'QA==','1q9ayf2a',1,0,'',565,0,0),(3104,702,1,37,0,'68.155.4.95',1081297839,1,0,1,1,1,0,'george steadman','1850 dsl','I need an exhaust manifold for a 1850 with the perkins. Agco wants way toooooo much and Steiner wants a fairly nice check. Surely there is a used one somewhere.','',0,'QA==','z4whtxva',1,0,'',37,0,0),(3105,649,4,566,0,'172.175.248.41',1081306491,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Hrin','Vacuum Gage','John schwiebert,\r\nI was able to purchase a vacuum gage.  It is calibrated in inches of mercury.  Any instructions you can forward would be very much appreciated.\r\n\r\nThanks,\r\nJohn H.','',0,'QA==','qvziqwie',1,0,'',566,0,0),(3106,703,1,187,0,'199.120.84.1',1081368236,1,0,1,1,1,0,'s104x490','Oliver plow #','I have recently purchased a two bottom plow and was wondering if the model number is stamped on it or if anyone out there could help me out.  Also, if anyone knows of a place to get a manual for it that would help alot.  Thanks','',0,'QA==','1xv00kge',1,0,'',187,0,0),(3107,703,1,459,0,'67.250.226.198',1081371854,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oliver66','','Without more information I would guess that the plow might be a Plowmaster 100.\r\n\r\nThe Floyd County Historical Museum in Charles City, Iowa has Manuals for many Oliver Plows or can copy copy one of their manuals for you. Also, if you can give them a description of the plow they should be able to identify it for you.\r\n\r\nTheir number is (641) 257-0549','',0,'QA==','14l95sce',1,0,'',459,0,0),(3108,703,1,374,0,'205.188.116.147',1081389452,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','plow','there should be a plate on there with the info........#&#039;s etc........\r\n\r\n2-bottom 12 is red with green wheels..have one.....have info\r\n\r\nhave plowshares for same..ed','',0,'QA==','3j4do5li',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3109,76,1,122,0,'65.117.137.195',1081464546,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Rockin-B','','Maybe this will help. It&#039;s spelled differently,worth a look.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;amp;category=46569&amp;amp;item=3808401076&amp;amp;rd=1\">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6&amp;amp;rd=1</a><!-- m -->','',0,'QA==','33v9bw3g',1,0,'',122,0,0),(3110,704,1,230,0,'130.171.134.20',1081466922,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jeff550','550 throttle linkage','need a useable throttle linkage for my 550....you know the parts...those little ball joints below the choke...\r\n\r\nwondering what anybody has used to repair/rebuild if not using original parts.\r\n\r\nJeff\n\n[Edited on 4-23-2004 by jeff550]','',0,'','38m6tkcl',1,0,'',230,0,0),(3111,704,1,96,0,'216.201.29.47',1081471557,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','550 Throttle Linkage','This came us on Yesterdays Tractors and I checked with my dealer and there are two different ones because there was a change. The one number is still good. Price was not that bad so now you need a serial number and then I can give you a part number.','',0,'','3q7rniwd',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3112,704,1,230,0,'130.171.134.20',1081471842,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jeff550','throttle linkage','otay...will find the serial number','',0,'','2htjj25o',1,0,'',230,0,0),(3114,706,1,571,0,'64.135.219.135',1081477924,1,0,1,1,1,0,'scout159','1250 all RESTORED but need GRILL!!!!pics!!','I have a 1967 gas OLIVER 1250 all restored with a 3x3--9 hole fiberglass grill on it from a 550? any way although i think it looks ok if not better----i still need a proper grill--this tractor was at one busy show with all colors including lots of the other green,and this was the one people put their babys on and took pictures of---:D','',0,'','2u51a80j',1,0,'',571,0,0),(3115,706,1,571,0,'64.135.219.135',1081478037,1,0,1,1,1,0,'scout159','','more pics','',0,'','1ofi6ih7',1,0,'',571,0,0),(3116,706,1,571,0,'64.135.219.135',1081478129,1,0,1,1,1,0,'scout159','','can,t help myself --one more pic--','',0,'','1bgcvf79',1,0,'',571,0,0),(3117,85,1,565,0,'63.175.184.130',1081523162,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Otisco33','','Really can&#039;t call it a collection with just one, but you have to start somwehere . . .\r\n\r\nOliver: mid to late 1950&#039;s OC-4 with dozer balde.  Presently in many pieces in the garage, looking for parts <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','2qm3fqai',1,0,'',565,0,0),(3118,707,1,572,0,'24.108.232.20',1081535907,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Rob','Have a large number of original Oliver manuals for sale...','I have only crawler manuals, and only for these models: AD,AG-6,BD,BGS,DD,DG,HG,OC-3,OC-4,OC-6,OC-9/OC-96,OC-12,OC-15,OC-18.  $29.95 each including shipping anywhere in North America.  Most are clean, but where not, price will be reduced appropriately.  (Paypal accepted)  Thanks!','',0,'','5pi1jqs2',1,0,'',572,0,0),(3119,708,1,553,0,'65.28.240.151',1081549085,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornfused','Horsepower ?','Can anyone tell me the HP ratings for the 1600 gas and diesel?','',0,'','o73uinak',1,0,'',553,0,0),(3120,708,1,35,0,'68.221.134.251',1081561519,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','','According to the Nebraska test results the 1600 had the following:\r\nDiesel    PTO 57.95 hp        @1900rpm\r\n            Drawbar 48.78hp    @1900rpm\r\n\r\nGas       56.6 PTO\r\n            Approx. 46.6 Drawbar\r\n\r\n<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','dovwxgiu',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3121,709,1,381,0,'206.176.206.29',1081563515,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nailcreek','Oliver 550 Restoration ~ What comes first???','I&#039;d like to have the Oliver 550 I found restored ... the mechanics, hydralics and electrical systems need work.  My question is what should come first, the restoration work, or the cleaning, priming &amp;amp; painting???','',0,'','100z0ad1',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3122,708,1,553,0,'65.28.240.151',1081563790,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornfused','','Thank you sir!','',0,'','hifg6jhq',1,0,'',553,0,0),(3123,709,1,47,0,'65.238.36.247',1081566749,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','I like to do all the mechanical stuff first, then play with them for a while, make sure everything works as it should, and nothing leaks. Then clean it up and finish out the cosmetics. That way a good paint job is not ruined due to needing a repair, or something leaking.\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','3p75rfeb',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3124,709,1,35,0,'68.221.134.251',1081567907,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','550','I have a 550 similiar to the one that you posted. I would certainly do the mechanical work before anything else. You have a late model 550 however the picture indicates that you have some expensive cosmetic work to do. The fiberglass grill will have to be replaced, some body work, steering linkage, steering wheel etc. Is the motor in good shape? I didn&#039;t have to do motor work on mine but new tires, steering wheel, lights, paint, decals ran over $1800. You can see my finished 550 on the photo section of Yesterdays tractor.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','3qo6r9om',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3125,709,1,381,0,'206.176.206.29',1081568615,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nailcreek','','Hello Frank!  I&#039;ve seen pictures of yours at YT and it&#039;s a beautiful machine!  Mine is a 1964 model.  The PTO clutch needs replacement, the engine doesn&#039;t smoke, but I suspect the carborator needs to be overhauled.  I&#039;m going to look for someone here in Wisconsin that can do the overhaul work at a reasonable cost, with me finding the parts.  I think I can handle the painting and detail work <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','8dxbn77a',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3126,710,3,374,0,'205.188.116.136',1081596843,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','More Bylaws........','Since the bylaws for the club are going nowhere....\r\n\r\nWhat has been done with the bylaws for the new museum foundation? Was there not some tentative ones floating around at the Winter meeting? Not hen scratched on a napkin,twenty minutes before presentation,like Andy&#039;s.....\r\n\r\nMaybe if its early enough....some new faces will take the lead and run with them <!-- s:o --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_surprised.gif\" alt=\":o\" title=\"Surprised\" /><!-- s:o -->\r\n\r\nEd Brandt\n\n[Edited on 4-10-2004 by NYSOliver]','',0,'','gnrpimmi',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3127,711,1,145,0,'65.171.23.77',1081642468,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Scott KY','Oliver plow','I have what I think is a #214 oliver plow. It has 2 16 inch bottoms and is a mechanical lift. It is on rubber and has a rubber tailwheel. When was this plow manufactured?','',0,'','2eziqyv3',1,0,'',145,0,0),(3128,711,1,35,0,'68.221.134.32',1081643458,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','','The 214 was introduced in the early 50&#039;s.','',0,'','1d278atd',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3129,315,1,575,0,'152.163.252.70',1081645781,1,0,1,1,1,0,'MarkKershner','Oil bath in intake too full','Check your air cleaner&#039;s oil bath to see if water has caused the fluid level to get too high. This happened to me after I left my 1800 out in a heavy rail.\r\n\r\nThe engine starves for air (and fuel) when it gets under load.','',0,'','2wchfe1w',1,0,'',575,0,0),(3130,712,1,549,0,'192.234.167.209',1081647703,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Kevinstoys64','For Sale Cast Iron Wheel centers (reduced)','For sale  one set of Cast Iron Wheel centers casting # IKA-705. These are quite heavy. Newer Oliver Red paint, just like the model 60&#039;s used to be. Make me a reasonable offer and be willing to come to mid-Michigan to to pick them up. Loader tractor available to put them on your truck (1/2 ton or larger, no small pickups) or trailer. Email me @ <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:wkss101787@aol.com\">wkss101787@aol.com</a><!-- e --> or leave me a reply here on the forum post.   <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','3n4b1124',1,0,'',549,0,0),(3131,315,1,12,0,'69.21.142.229',1081648814,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','','How about the vent in the gas cap being plugged? Remove cap when it starts to miss. Does choking help? WB.','',0,'','2ofrxyii',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3132,713,1,577,0,'24.24.78.78',1081687018,1,0,1,1,1,0,'tspisak','Need 550 trip bucket pictures - Corning, NY','I&#039;m missing all the pins and the bracket that attached to the front of the 550 and ties the two sides together.  Can anyone email me pictures?  Does anyone have just these parts?','',0,'','35ni307k',1,0,'',577,0,0),(3133,85,1,158,0,'198.230.166.5',1081699869,1,0,1,1,1,0,'KBUSBY','more for the collection','I was able to gather a few more this winter  just to keep the wife on edge.\r\n1-oliver 88 standard #824489\r\n1-oliver 88 standard  no tag\r\n1-oliver 77 standard #271742\r\n1-oliver 99 diesel not detroit no tag\r\n1-oliver880 diesel #88436873\r\n1-oliver 66 row crop #420132\r\n1-oliver 1900 diesel detroit #115508 4000hrs\r\n1-oliver 88 row crop diesel #131998\r\n1-oliver 88 super #41886\r\n1-oliver 77 thats not got home yet, and 1 more 88 that was traded for a piece of that jd misc. that some like,its been a good winter.','',0,'','3dh2veiu',1,0,'',158,0,0),(3134,714,1,579,0,'67.200.137.226',1081731814,1,0,1,1,1,0,'BTW','Super 99GM wiring diagram','Does anyone out there have or know where I can find a wiring diagram for a Super 99GM tractor? My buddies has electrical problems (it won&#039;t charge). We took the generator to an electric shop. It tested OK but the regulator is bad. By the manual it should be positive ground, but it doesn&#039;t appear to be hooked up that way (probably what killed the regulator). Anyway, the wiring is in poor shape so we&#039;d like to start over but need a diagram. Thanks!','',0,'','2snus6l5',1,0,'',579,0,0),(3135,715,1,580,0,'216.106.108.164',1081736251,1,0,1,0,1,0,'Jon','HELP!!!!!!!!!!!','I am a 14 year old boy and my friend and I just got our first Oliver... But we can&#039;t figure out what it is, it has no identification on it and i have looked on the internet and cant find any similar ones, here is the description, it has a swiviling seat that you get on to from the back,  it has side panels and the closest thing we have found to it is the 60 or 66. CAN  ANYONE HELP?!?!\r\nThank you','',0,'','1afyo5pf',1,0,'',580,0,0),(3136,713,1,230,0,'66.103.230.129',1081736432,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jeff550','550 trip ictures','what type of loader is it that you have?  My 550 has an orginal Oliver Type E manual trip bucket loader.\r\n\r\nThe loader arms are relatively light weight construction H beams.  The tractor mounted frame is round tubing....it looks homemade, but an Oliver dealer showed me an older parts book that had the loader in the book.\r\n\r\nIf this sounds like yours, I&#039;ll take some shots.  Jeff','',0,'','1xmn3jbx',1,0,'',230,0,0),(3137,715,1,12,0,'69.21.142.229',1081775716,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Need a few more details','How many cyl engine? What size rear tires? Are the rear axles smooth or do they have splines? Does it have hyd. or a mechanical lift? How many speed transmisson? Give us a little bit more of a description and I bet someone will figure it out. WB.','',0,'','1aprsggm',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3138,716,1,230,0,'66.103.230.39',1081782110,1,0,1,1,1,0,'jeff550','spark plugs and gap for 550 electronic ignition','am in the process of tuning up the 550.  Replaced the ignition with the Genesse Products ignition 1 year or so ago along with the 12 volt conversion kit.\r\n\r\nWondering what heat range plugs people are using, and what gap they have settled in on.\r\n\r\nNAPA book shows a D21 plug...had been running D16 Champions.  Genessee suggests no more than a 35 gap and Autolites.\r\n\r\nany input would be appreciated.\r\n\r\nJeff','',0,'','1s9hdiak',1,0,'',230,0,0),(3139,715,1,580,0,'216.106.108.164',1081789682,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Jon','','It has a high and low gear 6 gears it has a PTO and a mechanical lift.i am not sure what size the tires are.','',0,'','3m9zgtqw',1,0,'',580,0,0),(3140,132,5,105,0,'68.63.248.18',1081796377,1,0,1,1,1,1,'995Lugmatic','','Yeah Chris, I have been wondering what was going on with the new interface for this board...good to hear that it is still coming','',0,'','3gpctqls',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3141,678,6,105,0,'68.63.248.18',1081796521,1,0,1,1,1,1,'995Lugmatic','','I liked it too, but I am anxiously awaiting next issue which will have a big ol&#039; 1950 FWA on the cover, which is more my speed.','',0,'','2ne375rz',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3142,715,1,105,0,'68.63.248.18',1081796860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'995Lugmatic','','Jon, we really need to know the engine...is it a 4 or 6 cyl?  \r\nDoes it have grilles in the nose?  are they mesh looking or do they have horizontal bars?  Or is there just one grill on the front that goes all the way across?\r\nAbove the grilles is there an oliver medallion or just a thin strip of metal with raised bars?  If there is a medallion is it shaped liket the oliver shield or is it oval shaped and just says Oliver.\r\nWe need a little more info','',0,'','148krv2n',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3143,717,2,307,0,'198.81.26.102',1081803961,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Don Lee','Hart Parr 18-28 engine parts','Heeelllllpppppp\r\nDoes anyone out there know where I can obtain valves for my 1937 Hart-Parr 18-28 tractor?  This has the HC engine with longer valves than the KD engine.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.\r\nThanks much\r\nDon Lee\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Islandlees@AOL.com\">Islandlees@AOL.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','70u8vqu1',1,0,'',307,0,0),(3144,718,1,325,0,'63.240.135.30',1081804265,1,0,1,1,1,0,'isubucky','77 Row Crop Seat Question','I am hoping someone can help me out with a couple questions.\r\n\r\nI have purchased 2 new rubber seat springs for my 77 seat.  These seat springs have 2 pins that line up with the seat arms.  Are these 2 pins suppose to be inline with the tension adjust &amp;quot;ear&amp;quot;?\r\n\r\nIn my excitement to have a seat with &amp;quot;springs&amp;quot; and not just a steel bar supporting, I apparently did not pay enough attention on how to reasemble, because things are not lining up as expected.  Can someone explain this to me or send me a picture to help me out?\r\n\r\nThanks,','',0,'','298harez',1,0,'',325,0,0),(3145,719,1,419,0,'207.144.213.125',1081895448,1,0,1,1,1,0,'johnsonsolivers','HELP !!!! 550 hydraulic pump','I bought a 550 last summer and went to sell it and the 3pt doesnt work. So i opened it all up and found out the pump was the problem.  So I&#039;m looking for a new or rebiult one. If you know of any place I could call or email I would like it so much \r\n\r\nMike','',0,'','39cbs6s5',1,0,'',419,0,0),(3146,720,1,553,0,'65.28.240.151',1081898892,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornfused','Need a part','I need the tubular frame that attaches the seat back to the bottom cushin on my 1600. Tha part number is 105810-A and is no longer available from the dealer. Anybody have one I can buy?:(','',0,'','16h2zx5s',1,0,'',553,0,0),(3147,719,1,529,0,'64.41.27.177',1081941555,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Ray-Man','','Check this site\r\n[url=http&#58;//www&#46;oliverinformation&#46;com/parts&#46;html:nhsxp7ar]http://www.oliverinformation.com/parts.html[/url:nhsxp7ar]\r\nAlso Maibach Tractor\r\n1-800-808-9934\n\n[Edited on 4-14-2004 by Ray-Man]','',0,'EA==','nhsxp7ar',1,0,'',529,0,0),(3148,719,1,96,0,'216.201.29.46',1081956323,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','550 Hydraulic Pump','It is a Vicker Vane pump, so if you have a good Vickers Industrial distributor, give thenm a call or take the pump to them so they get the full model number. Also check prices at a couple of places.','',0,'EA==','22mc520i',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3151,723,6,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1081995412,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NSUL8R','Can you dig it?','Can I come over and Play?  I bet someone out here can help me fix my toy. Its a 282 Hancock Elevating Scraper.','',0,'EA==','1s5tngq5',1,0,'',590,0,0),(3152,723,6,12,0,'69.21.142.229',1081997511,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','','There was an article in the HPOCA magazine about a Hancock scraper awhile back. Seemed like it may have used a Super 99 or 990 power unit. I&#039;ll have to look it up and see. What kind of help fixing it do you need? WB.','',0,'EA==','3p1napo8',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3153,712,1,549,0,'192.234.167.209',1082058007,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','I need to make some room','I know these are not the preferred wheel centers for a 60 that some one may use for pulling, but if you are restoring and need a set of cast centers. These are available. When I said reasonable, I\'m talking $75.00.\r\n\r\nOther wise they will make good top weights to put on my International disk, when I need it to cut deeper. \r\n\r\nI had one fellow tell me that they were not worth anything other than scrap cast iron. If that\'s the case then they would  be worth almost what I\'m asking. Since cast iron is at about $100.00 per ton locally. I just can\'t make myself scrap out usable old iron, especially since I use to work for the man that owned the OLIVER dealership locally when I was in high school and college. So old Olivers, hold a place in my heart. Kind of like the tractor I have that was my grandpa\'s( sorry folk\'s its red).\r\n\r\n\r\nTHESE MAY ACTUALLY BE FOR A OLIVER 66','',0,'EA==','2gdb61qm',1,0,'',549,0,0),(3154,724,1,593,0,'63.104.113.62',1082062640,1,0,0,1,1,0,'Roy Bingham','Super 55 / Tin / Grille / Fenders','I need Tin, Grille, Fenders, Guages, and other items for my s55, please email me <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:bingham@xvi.net\">bingham@xvi.net</a><!-- e -->     ROy.','',0,'EA==','hqtb6g1j',1,0,'',593,0,0),(3156,723,6,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1082120405,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NSUL8R','','My unit is a 1965 which has a 1950 industrial as the power unit (4-53 GM Diesel). They were shipped with the driveline (rearend,tranny, Hydra-unit, clutch and motor) and dropped into the scraper frame.  My problem is in the trans. Let out on the clutch and it goes backward in top or bottom neutral.  Put it into a forward gear and let out and the locked trans will stall out the motor.  Shift rails and links all seem to move stuff like it is supposed to. Cant figure what is siezed where.','',0,'EA==','3rvk4oeg',1,0,'',590,0,0),(3157,726,1,320,0,'67.42.203.132',1082123279,1,0,1,1,1,0,'art perkins','compression check on 88 diesel','What is the smart way to take a compression reading on a 88 diesel and what are the specs.','',0,'EA==','2zzvv4v4',1,0,'',320,0,0),(3158,397,1,593,0,'63.104.113.105',1082142840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Roy Bingham','Steering Wheels','Hey Super 55 owner it was nice that you mentioned 2 places for steering wheels but you forgot phone # or email.','',0,'EA==','3o4buuu6',1,0,'',593,0,0),(3159,726,1,96,0,'216.201.29.42',1082161954,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','88 Diesel Compression','I am not sure what you mean by smart way. First of all there are two ways. However which way you use is going to be determined by what kind of diesel compression tester you have and if you have tha adaper that replaces the energy cell or if you have the adapter that takes the place of the fuel injector, 350 psi would be good with less than 50 psi variation between cylinders. Rule of thumb, if you have a lot white smoke and everything else is up to spec, you are short on compression. Also remmember cranking speed will affect compression, One thing we used to do was take and hook a battery charger up while we were making the test so the cranking speed would stay uniform from start to finish. Also how many turns of the engine does it take to reach maximum compression. Make a note on what you have say after 6 revolutions of each cylinder. Questions?','',0,'EA==','1zfmwcd5',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3160,590,4,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1082166144,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NSUL8R','','I&#039;ll expand with the same caveat...I read something a long time ago...The Cleveland Tractor Co purchase by Oliver in 1944 lead to the &amp;quot;OC&amp;quot; (Oliver-Cletrac) lline.  When White motor bought the farm equipment line in 1960 the took an option on the crawler line.  When they exercised it they only bought  the tooling and rights for 2 models or so and they moved that stuff from the OC plant to Charles City, Iowa. White didn&#039;t buy the old Cleveland Tractor Factory or other tooling.  This is probably where the other part of the thread came in. Rich people and companies could do strange stuff to us working stiffs to take advantage of tax write-offs, ect.  The oil company could have bought the stuff for a song, but then have written off a fortune via not operating. Que lastima!\n\n[Edited on 4-18-2004 by NSUL8R]','',0,'','26tp5bb7',1,0,'',590,0,0),(3161,717,2,47,0,'65.238.36.214',1082177696,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','You could try Gary Spitznogle, he probably has some originals. Ph 319-766-2665.','',0,'','2418qt0a',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3162,723,6,12,0,'69.21.142.229',1082202063,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','','Assuming it has the normal drivetrain, It sounds like the sliding reverse gear is ingaged. If you put it in reverse does it go backwards or does it lock up there also? How much have you taken apart to inspect what&#039;s going on? You will probably need to remove the shift cover and drain the oil down to see all the gears. That would be an interesting one to see and work on. WB','',0,'','2gdyagyy',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3163,726,1,320,0,'67.42.203.132',1082212401,1,0,1,1,1,0,'art perkins','','Thanks for the reply, I will probably make one for the power cells, I&#039;ll let you know.','',0,'','2dlzl6ae',1,0,'',320,0,0),(3164,726,1,320,0,'67.42.203.132',1082213280,1,0,1,1,1,0,'art perkins','','Forgot to ask,  can I just thread the outer cap reinstall and check the compression?','',0,'','19n5id54',1,0,'',320,0,0),(3167,726,1,96,0,'216.201.29.15',1082249962,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Compression Test','D-No The piece ahead of it has to be removed and you need to make a slug that displaces the same volume. I don&#039;t know what kind of tester you plan on using but for the nozzles Backrach and a few otherones had a universal nozzle adapter. You may be able to borrow one. Are you looking for a leak? If so why not do a cylinder leak down test?','',0,'','w0okk2jm',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3168,729,2,597,0,'209.162.160.96',1082303194,1,0,1,1,1,0,'carrothead','name plate on tractor','found tractor with hart parr/oliver/cockshutt on the name plate.i was wondering when and how many of these were made.the serial number plate gave me the number 805865.can anyone help me identify this tractor','',0,'','15p0rzml',1,0,'',597,0,0),(3169,723,6,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1082306576,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NSUL8R','','I Backed the machine onto a trailer, rolled it off and backed it into my barn, but I can&#039;t remember if I tried the reverse gears or just used the goes backward in neutral mode.  The machine was stored while I dealt with several catastrophic illnesses in our family .  I bought three other newer (than 1965) , larger scrapers over the past 5 or 6 years to work/play with.  \r\n     The 282 has only the rear tractor axle with tires mounted.  The nose juts out and the whole assembly is rotated from the goosneck by hydraulic cylinders opposing eachother behind the power unit at the front of the carry-all.  \r\n    We were transporting the machine in roadgear and needed to turn at an intersection so mashing in the clutch so we could keep the engine at half throttle (to maintain volumn and pressure to the hydraulics which operate the steering via a front pulley driven pump) the machine coasted through the corner and upon letting out the clutch the motor stalled and the rig stopped.  Starting the machine (in neutral with the clutch mashed ) was simple, but upon releasing the clutch here we go backward!!!  So now its in the shop and I have removed the top covers and dra;ined everything and slid all the shifters and gears, ect and everything  moves.  To get into the tranny further I&#039;lll have to remove engine and Hydraul and drop the trans/rear end down out of scraper frame.\r\nOur trans pressure gauge never showed oil pressure lubing trans , and it may be a idler siezed to one of the shafts.  I have blocked frame up holding wheels off floor and tried turning them to see which gear is not slipping, but don&#039;t know what should move and what should not turn.. This one and one more will make two for me!','',0,'','zx3hd6qw',1,0,'',590,0,0),(3170,729,2,407,0,'208.31.40.74',1082311552,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYAdam21','your tractor','sounds like a Cockshutt  80 standard, 1939 model. They made around 12,300 Oliver and cockshutt 80 standards between 1937-1948. telling how many of the 80 standards where cockshutt is beyond me.','',0,'','386vqc0c',1,0,'',407,0,0),(3171,723,6,12,0,'69.21.142.229',1082321143,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','','Reverse gear is the one farthest back on the pinion shaft. It rides on a sleeve that lets it &amp;quot;idle&amp;quot; while the trans is in other forward gears. It sounds like it has seized to the sleeve. I&#039;ve seen the High/Low gears on the input shaft seize before, but not the reverse. Looks like it&#039;s going to be a major project. Good Luck, WB.','',0,'','18cb14py',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3172,723,6,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1082322150,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NSUL8R','','Thanks WB! I think I&#039;ll go check into a Holiday Inn Express, get a good nights sleep, roll up my sleeves, and proceed with the transmissionectomy this week. I&#039;ll fix the brakes while I&#039;ve got it out as someone previously had disassembled the pedals and cross shaft linking to the disc brakes with a cutting torch(being down between the frame=rails of the scraper)  Not many parts donors in my part of the country so I may be checking back for further info or directions to OC (Oliver Cemetaries)','',0,'','2gbli5y8',1,0,'',590,0,0),(3174,726,1,43,0,'158.247.216.58',1082378792,1,0,1,1,1,0,'oliverdude','compression test','I completly agree with John. You can tell a lot more from a leakdown test than you ever could with a compression test. You can pinpoint your problem to a specific part (rings, valves, head gasket, etc).','',0,'','28pe0p6t',1,0,'',43,0,0),(3175,731,1,598,0,'12.44.48.45',1082388378,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nenenick','Superior 2-row corn planter','Hello everbody, I&#039;m new at this! Last week I bought a Model 44 corn planter to actually use! I don&#039;t really know to much about them but this planter was in great shape but was missing the seed plates, the saleman told me I could pick them up at a seed dealer or at TSC. What I found out was nobody has them!!:o:( Can someone help me with info on where or if someone has them that are willing to sell please contact me! Any info would be apprieciated...thanks!','',0,'','2m9nqb9e',1,0,'',598,0,0),(3176,66,4,565,0,'63.175.184.130',1082408277,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Otisco33','','I have an OC-4 with dozer blade.  If it&#039;s a Weldco, I can send pics and drawings.  It has the push arms mounted outside the tracks, and on the right side there&#039;s a small piston that raises and lowers the frame to control the tilt.  Does this sound like what you&#039;re looking for?\r\n\r\nChuck','',0,'','15wc8qwl',1,0,'',565,0,0),(3177,731,1,96,0,'216.201.29.115',1082419078,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Corn planter plates','I do not know this either, but I think I have at least one set of plates for a 402. If someone can tell you a part number I will check. Also what size seed do you have?','',0,'','1fwl0o5o',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3178,732,1,599,0,'65.73.80.128',1082429291,1,0,1,1,1,0,'albroadbent','Need 770 Intake manifold','Need Intake for 1963 Oliver 770 Gas.  Head Numbers:  100334A and 185502B.  Block Numbers: 18220F and 104806A.  I would give part number; however, wife just finished cleaning house and I can&#039;t find the manual.  This is not the &amp;quot;common&amp;quot; manifold.  The distance between centers of the end intake tubes is 17-7/8&amp;quot;.  I&#039;ve been through this before and I saw a lot that were 3/8&amp;quot; too long.  Also interested in the exhaust (usually a set &#039;cause you can&#039;t break&#039;em loose).  I kept this one alive for 4 years with nickel rod and hi-temp silicon.  The side of the box finally cracked out completely.  Thanks for any help.','',0,'','5sab6q82',1,0,'',599,0,0),(3179,733,1,163,0,'207.177.76.190',1082461627,1,0,1,1,1,1,'uncledu','1750 Special','Just finished restoring a 1750 special with the light green trim. I posted a picture on Yesterdays Tractors tactor photos. I  was just wondering how many people have one of these or know where one is? Thanks Duane','',0,'','1v088nii',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3180,27,2,597,0,'161.184.202.67',1082496997,1,0,1,1,1,0,'carrothead','wher are the hart parr collectors','take a trip to northwestern Saskatchewan,you will find lots of them.have been there and seen probably twenty or so in my travels.','',0,'','1337mh8p',1,0,'',597,0,0),(3181,66,4,88,0,'4.155.123.10',1082509240,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','No, mine is inside arm, six way blade. But thanks for the offer.....','',0,'','3sydla6y',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3182,733,1,553,0,'65.28.240.151',1082545573,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornfused','','Is this it? &amp;lt;img src=&amp;quot;http://www.tractorshed.com/gallery/tphotos/a21302.jpg&amp;quot;&amp;gt;','',0,'','cos95px8',1,0,'',553,0,0),(3183,733,1,40,0,'205.188.116.24',1082550383,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Yes that is it .  My brother took that picture the day he finished putting it together and got it running.  He put the 38 inch tires on the rear so it will go down the road a little faster.','',0,'','3klw2vxy',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3184,731,1,598,0,'12.44.48.45',1082559006,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nenenick','2-row corn planter','Hello John, thanks for writing! The seed plates have a number like S-830A on them with size of small, medium or large. They will be 3-ear variety plates. I&#039;m looking for the small size.','',0,'','1fsvat38',1,0,'',598,0,0),(3185,734,6,459,0,'67.250.226.128',1082580418,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Oliver66','Oliver Heritage Magazine','Just wanted to let you all know I just got the premier issue (May/June 2004) of Sherry Schaefer&#039;s new Oliver magazine. It had some nice articles on the 660 &amp;amp; The Raby Cab. I have not always been a Sherry supporter in the past, but this new magazine is far superior to her past work on the HPOCA Collector. I am looking forward to the next issue!','',0,'','3gidr81k',1,0,'',459,0,0),(3186,731,1,96,0,'216.201.29.69',1082583225,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','Corn planter plates','Part number on my plates is 3AF 1097.\r\nI have two fertilizer feed wheel hanging with them the have an s-121 part number.','',0,'','ekhk5sdl',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3187,734,6,35,0,'65.4.194.28',1082594573,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Heritage Magazine','I have just talked with Sherry and learned that her email server is down. She can&#039;t send or receive emails however she hopes that it will be up and going in a short while since technicians are working on the problem.\r\nShe would like your imput.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','1fzum8kx',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3188,717,2,307,0,'198.81.26.70',1082611070,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Don Lee','18-28 valves','Andy\r\nThanks for the reply.  I will give Gary a call.\r\nDon','',0,'','1a6ts4gv',1,0,'',307,0,0),(3189,436,6,553,0,'65.28.240.151',1082631617,1,0,1,1,1,0,'cornfused','','John Deere 50, Farmall H, and a Case VAC.','',0,'','1o71mpec',1,0,'',553,0,0),(3190,733,1,12,0,'69.21.142.83',1082640083,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Wrenchbender','Looking Good!!!','Looks like you&#039;ve done a nice job. I&#039;m planning on putting 38&amp;quot; rears on our 1750 also. Same reason as you, more speed, and more clearance for baling hay. Have you driven it on the road? Did the tires make a big difference? WB.','',0,'','2l7gbft7',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3191,27,2,238,0,'152.163.252.4',1082661506,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I\'ve got two, both 1936. One is a rc, the other is a standard:)\r\n\r\nMake that 5 (Oliver Hart-Parr that is)\r\n\'33 18-27  and 4 70\'s','',0,'','84yn3xvu',1,1124912462,'',238,1,0),(3192,735,1,99,0,'209.30.29.237',1082667580,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Gary Swindell','60-RC engine oil seal - rear','Anyone know of a source for the rear engine oil seal ro a 1945 RC-60?  Is there a Chicago Rawhide seal that can be used? (I know a CR19783 works in the front).\r\n\r\nPull the engine?  A nasty job? Any advice is appreciated.','',0,'','3j69pnij',1,0,'',99,0,0),(3193,733,1,163,0,'207.177.76.148',1082684830,1,0,1,1,1,1,'uncledu','1750 Special','The tires make it go about 18mph instead of 14mph,but it was a special not a regular 1750 it had small tires and rims with no three speed . Duane','',0,'','2201tpjs',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3194,734,6,35,0,'65.4.197.41',1082686930,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','Heritage','Received my edition today and I think Sherry is well underway to a great successful publication. Now we can have Oliver reading every month.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','ndizxv92',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3195,736,1,381,0,'206.176.206.46',1082752657,1,0,1,1,1,0,'nailcreek','Air Compressor Question','Can anyone suggest a good all-around air compressor for the garage?  I&#039;d like to use it for painting, tools, tires and the like.  Portable would would be good, but not completely necessary.  What type &amp;amp; features should I look for ... ?','',0,'','1rx6exg6',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3196,736,1,238,0,'64.12.116.201',1082775039,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','A 220 volt is the best and cheapest to run, but if you don&#039;t have it Sears has some good compressors in the 150-175 range for under $500.00.  Good luck','',0,'','tjzy3hd4',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3197,735,1,238,0,'64.12.116.147',1082775372,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','You can probably get it from Maibach Tractor in Ohio. (800)808-9934.\r\nI never fooled with a 60, but I&#039;ve got 4 70&#039;s and you can get them in from the bottom.\r\nIs it easy? It&#039;s not a piece of cake!\r\nGood Luck;)','',0,'','2kgpi70z',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3198,737,6,238,0,'64.12.116.136',1082775646,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','sleeping room','sssshhhhh, if you come in here...be quiet.\r\nWe don&#039;t want to wake anybody up!;)','',0,'','14mg7zct',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3199,734,6,238,0,'64.12.116.147',1082776119,1,0,1,1,1,0,'39LC','','a-men. This is AMERICA! iF ONE IS GOOD, TWO ARE BETTER!\r\nI think Sherry did an outstanding job with no. 1 issue. I can&#039;t wait for no.2. Plus the fact that in a short time HPOCA will be here.\r\nLife is GOOD!:D','',0,'','kklipx0p',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3200,737,6,88,0,'4.155.69.116',1082810419,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Doug_424','','I don&#039;t think there is anyone to wake up.....looks they all left.....','',0,'','2x62d7r7',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3201,85,1,600,0,'206.40.117.149',1082810749,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Schimko','My just started collection','Got a 1555 widefront gas waitin for paint and a row crop 77 narrow front getting completly over hauled redone restored reworked, always sellin buyin lookin in the wisconsin area\n\n[Edited on 4-24-2004 by Schimko]','',0,'','xgieykqt',1,0,'',600,0,0),(3202,734,6,70,0,'67.50.29.220',1082821834,1,0,1,1,1,0,'paulivercollector','Oliver heritage magazine','How do you get the magazine?','',0,'','2spwi73m',1,0,'',70,0,0),(3203,735,1,96,0,'216.201.29.126',1082822104,1,0,1,1,1,0,'John Schwiebert','60 Seal','You do not need to pull the engine, but it may be handier in the long run','',0,'','252ef02j',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3204,737,6,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1082827246,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','Fully awake','Things are looking up!!! No need in beating a dead horse or tractor club for that matter!. All we have to do is start a new, better, more member/people oriented club. Or in the case of the horse, bury it and buy an Oliver.\r\n \r\nAn excellent new Oliver publication now out. Talkings on establishing a new everything under White national (no nonsense)club. Everything looks good from where I&#039;m sitting, anyways!!!!\r\n\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nDanny Tabor\r\nhpoca member #747, until March 05 I&#039;m fairly certain!!!','',0,'','esvysmvw',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3205,737,6,35,0,'65.4.196.25',1082833016,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','','Wide awake!\r\n\r\nHey Danny,\r\nGood article in the Heritage. Any more give aways should be shared be shared. Do you reckon that we could get Agco to rename some of their compacts Oliver with the Oliver color as CI did with Farmall?:D:D','',0,'','2ysede6f',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3206,734,6,35,0,'65.4.196.25',1082833135,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','','Go to <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.oliverinformation.com\">www.oliverinformation.com</a><!-- w --> and click on subscription. Best $25 that you will spend.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','1wrzdjgp',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3207,737,6,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1082853709,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','','That would be real cool if AGCO did that.  I might even by a reproduction &amp;quot;Oliver 77&amp;quot; diesel with an end loader.  As for the Oliver Heritage, two thumbs up to Sherry.  She did produce a grade A piece of work.  I don&#039;t think the HPOCA is dead....yet.  However, if it does not become more member oriented really soon, cardiac arrest is soon to follow.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','3f8tvlgh',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3208,736,1,47,0,'65.238.36.162',1082858885,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Andy','','220V is good, what I would look for in a new compressor would be 2 stage. I use lots of air tools, they mostly do better at around 175 psi, some take less. If you don&#039;t have the pressure and capacity for what you are doing, you won&#039;t be satisfied with the results. I use Grover compressors, but any good quality one will work, remember, you will get what you pay for! Stay away from the cheap imports, they work for a while, then problems. I prefer to work on my tractors, not my tools. If you are going to spray paint, try to get the biggest tank you can, that way the compressor won&#039;t cycle so often.\r\nI hope this helps!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'','1imcjk59',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3209,737,6,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1082859053,1,0,1,1,1,0,'danny','','Hey Frank,\r\n       Thank you. I really enjoyed writing it and what an honor to see Cobby&#039;s story in print. \r\n\r\nI think maybe, as long as its okay with everybody, you will see more stories by me in Oliver Heritage. My brothers and I sure do get in some funny predicaments in the shop. Like the time we almost.....well let me save that thought for another article.\r\n\r\nI&#039;m afraid little brother, Ole Ben, has more or less taken ownership of Cobby. After his first pull he thinks that he owns her anyway. It really gets his goat, that I&#039;m the guy who won first with her!!!!   WHO&#039;S THE MAN, Ben haha\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor  \r\n hpoca member #747 for a little while  \r\nOliver Renegade for life!!!','',0,'','1y3hwkzv',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3210,737,6,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1082862919,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','','If Sherry will let me, i&#039;ll submit my &amp;quot;blazing REO&amp;quot; writeup.  I know it&#039;s not Oliver, however, EVERY collector has either been there/done that or says &amp;quot;what a dumba##&amp;quot;  Ed','',0,'','tiz9ef7k',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3211,738,6,597,0,'161.184.200.75',1082871823,1,0,1,1,1,0,'carrothead','alternative to massey  &amp; JD','it&#039;s nice to have found this sight.a person gets tired of hearing massey this and JD that.i can remember,our neighboring farmer had an oliver 88 that he brought down to our farm for some reason.this was years ago though.two things i do remember vividly about it,that dark green paint and it had a whole different sound than i was used to when it was running.maybe it was just me,but it made me want to get one of my own.finally got the old cockshutt 80 now,iguess it&#039;s an oliver in different clothes.really looking forward to putting it back to as close to original as possible.you can bet i am going to need help and i will be on here hoping to pick someones brain over it.a big thanks already for the info i have found','',0,'','32e5u1y7',1,0,'',597,0,0),(3214,736,1,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1082909477,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NSUL8R','','I have a forty year old service station compressor with a large tank which is two stage.  The old slower turning compressors with cast cylinders will last for years.  Some of the newer stuff with aluminum cylinders turning at high speed will make air, but not forever.  Be sure at least to have cast iron sleeves.  Newer stuff tends to hyperbolize hp ratings, but check the amperage and do the math and you will get a better idea of the machines capabilities.  A 6.5 hp &amp;quot;rating&amp;quot; doesn&#039;t mean you have a six-and-a-half hp motor pulling your compressor!!','',0,'','180eljod',1,0,'',590,0,0),(3215,741,1,250,0,'12.214.233.151',1082913295,1,0,1,1,1,0,'moonman77','Oliver77 With Hydra/Lectric','Does anybody know of a 77 with Hydra/Lectric that is for sale?','',0,'','29whrux6',1,0,'',250,0,0),(3216,735,1,176,0,'216.61.121.122',1082918030,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Barry-KC','RC 60 oil seal','Drop the pan and they can be placed with relative ease.  Try Korves Bros for the seals\r\nGood luck','',0,'','2nb1zy38',1,0,'',176,0,0),(3217,710,3,40,0,'152.163.253.2',1082932106,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','','Does anybody know who are the officers and the board of directors for the new foundation?  \r\n\r\nHow much money has been raised to date?','',0,'','162zexf5',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3218,742,3,40,0,'152.163.252.163',1082932210,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Bill Brandt','Board of Directors Meeting','When and where does the board next meet?','',0,'','1137n11m',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3219,742,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1082944493,1,0,1,1,1,0,'edward.tabor','','They usually meet at the summer show.  Of course, they will probably keep it a secret until after they meet.\r\n\r\nEd \r\nOLiver Renegage\r\nProud of his &amp;quot;Oliver Heritage&amp;quot;','',0,'','3pu5tj6l',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3220,743,2,601,0,'205.188.116.201',1082944721,1,0,1,1,1,0,'mike west','1931 Hart-Parr28/44 parts needed, new to hobby','Just bought my first Hart Parr,a 28/44 on factory round spoke wheels for rubber tires,need the following:Are new fenders reproduced?I need a New gas can for dash board or specs  so I can make,exhaust manifold.I would  appreciate any help,Ive had common tractors but this brute has my attention!!Thank You MIKE WEST Upstate NY','',0,'','1jhztbft',1,0,'',601,0,0),(3221,744,1,601,0,'205.188.116.136',1082945681,1,0,1,1,1,0,'mike west','OLIVERS FOR SALE,barn &amp;pasture FRESH!!!!','Hi Im selling some Olivers that were on a farm in Upstate NY for past several decades,The newest one is a MODEL 47-1658,serial # 157205-721 has good rubber ,power steering ,nice tin,old repaint, runs and starts well,just a nice tractor,always shedded ,not banged up and worn out. $3000  2 Row Crop tractors (styled) I think model 70s, one is a decent original ,good tin,no hoodsides,poor rubber,but complete otherwise and the second tractor is a parts machine,no engine,hood,radiator.Has good rims ,fenders . $1000.00 for pair. Storage not a problem and can assist on shipping MIKE WEST 585 346 4395  LIVONIA NY (near Rochester NY)','',0,'','1vazadgz',1,0,'',601,0,0),(3222,744,1,374,0,'205.188.116.201',1083025262,1,0,1,1,1,0,'NYSOliver','tractors','Any photos?? ED','',0,'','19bhmg34',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3223,745,1,602,0,'216.67.130.60',1083026608,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Gordon','FOR SALE: Oliver 98. Made by Oliver for Massey','I have a Massey 98 for sale. Excellent shape, runs great. Pictures available. <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:glassi@wyoming.com\">glassi@wyoming.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','18g6f1ip',1,0,'',602,0,0),(3224,746,1,603,0,'69.18.55.48',1083031537,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Lyle Dumont','Tractor for sale','1949 Oliver 88 LP, upright tank, cast iron early wide front, engine stuck, but a good restorable tractor.  e-mail <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:oliver@lisco.com\">oliver@lisco.com</a><!-- e --> or call 641-622-2592','',0,'','2jiaxba3',1,0,'',603,0,0),(3225,747,6,35,0,'68.221.138.146',1083032020,1,0,1,1,1,0,'Frank Dodson','cONGRADULATIONS EDITOR','Congradulations Sherry editor of the OLIVER HERITAGE MAGAZINE. She was interviewed by Max Armstrong on his national radio program US FARM REPORT. He had read the new magazine and was so impressed that he called for an interview.<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','2eyikk7z',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3226,748,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.196',1083041959,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Forum upgrade','As you can see, I finally upgraded the board. Everything seemed to transfer seemlessly, but if anybody has any problems, or any suggestions or comments, post them here, or email them to me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nSpell check will be coming in the near future!!! <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->','',0,'','ienjdti6',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3227,747,6,487,0,'141.151.176.59',1083066686,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->   Sherry sure put a first rate +++ magazine out. The other best part it was on time , not a month late!!!  #9423','',0,'','3pb8xide',1,0,'',487,0,0),(3228,747,6,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1083094846,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Wow what an honor!!! I\'m certainly proud for Sherry!\r\n\r\nIn this part of Maryland radio stations have a long \r\n ago gotten rid of the farm report.   Now we get the traffic report and with all our traffic jams this report almost takes up the whole morning....uughh\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nOliver Renegade','',0,'','3pffm4r8',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3229,748,5,105,0,'68.63.248.18',1083103098,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Oh me likey!\r\nthis is just like the other boards I talk on....very nice Chris! <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','63hjwybn',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3231,750,1,605,0,'69.34.155.131',1083116305,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Seeking information on Oliver Boat motor','I am in posession of a boat motor that has been my family for many years.  It is an Oliver Challenger boat motor.  My dad had always said it was a 1942 model, 5 horse, produced during the war years.  I do know it is one heavy piece of machenry (nearly pulling me into a lake at a young age).  It is not functional at this time and has not been used for many years but still has the original fuel tank.  Is there any way I can determine the exact year of manufacture and more about it\'s history?  Thanks in advance.','',0,'','sha4ktrh',1,0,'',605,0,0),(3232,737,6,238,0,'205.188.116.20',1083126656,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> As long as everybody is awake, I\'ll make some noise too!\r\n\r\nThe number one issue of OLIVER HERITAGE MAGAZINE is excellent, to say the least.  A captivating collection of information, facts and enjoyable reading cover to cover. Once it is opened, it\'s impossible to put down.\r\n       This magazine is going to be a \"must have\" for anyone with the slightest interest in Oliver products and history. The quality of the content merits an A-1 rating, with a diverse and knowledgable group of well respected contributors adding flavor and the articles submitted provided entertaining reading.\r\nOf course, knowing the editor we wouldn\'t expect anthing but outstanding!!\r\n                                                             Larry Coltrin','',0,'','1cd73oaz',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3233,737,6,88,0,'4.155.126.219',1083161123,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I could not put it any better than 39LC did, I can only add that the HPOCA lost a lot when they let Sherry go. She definitely has what it takes to produce a first rate magazine. (but we already knew that,,,,,didn\'t we?)','',0,'','2qhkag5e',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3234,750,1,26,0,'216.176.89.13',1083170724,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver Outboard','Oliver didn\'t get into the boat motor business until 1955. There should be a tag rivetted to the motor that will have ID numbers on it.  If you can provide those numbers, we can ID it for you.  The next issue of Oliver Heritage magazine will be running a story on how to ID you Oliver Outboard.','',0,'','1i9k1r6r',1,0,'',26,0,0),(3236,752,5,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1083191959,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','new forum','Chris,\r\n     Good job. I think the new forum will take a little getting used to but after a some feeling around everybody should get the hang of it.\r\n      \r\n     I am having trouble, however.... seems whenever I try to send a private message I get a banner telling me the moderator has prevented me from sending messages.    Others are having the same problem.  I\'m certain its  something overlooked.\r\n\r\nAgain congratulations on the prompt change\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nOliver Renegade','',0,'','p4urvhfe',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3237,748,5,403,0,'66.187.34.86',1083210412,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Nice lookiing changes. Glad to hear spelll cheekers is comin <!-- s:!: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif\" alt=\":!:\" title=\"Exclamation\" /><!-- s:!: -->','',0,'','2ogz317z',1,0,'',403,0,0),(3238,748,5,12,0,'69.21.142.83',1083243212,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey, it looks good!','Looks good Chris, the colors brighten things up a bit. One question though, is there a way to post a reply directly or do you just have to put it at the bottom of the thread? Glad to see the For Sale/Wanted section. Good job, WB.','',0,'','3hfnqzky',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3239,752,5,10611,0,'12.28.115.30',1083244309,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Danny,\r\n\r\n\r\nYou are right. I checked and everybody that was on the old board got their PM (formerly U2U) turned off when their accounts were transferred. I have yours turned back on, but at this point it looks like I need to go through one by one to turn them all back on. I\'m sure there must be a faster way, but I need to go do some farming today. I\'ll look into it more tonight.\r\n\r\nAnyone that signs up on the new board automatically has their PM turned on.\r\n\r\nAnd Thanks.','',0,'','3haclzy3',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3240,748,5,10611,0,'12.28.115.30',1083244626,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Wrenchbender,\r\n\r\nAll replies go on the bottom of the list, that\'s the only way this software will do it. Sorry about that.\r\n\r\nBut if you want to reply to a particular message, click on the \"quote\" button on the upper right corner of that particular post, and it  will automatically quote that persons message in your reply.\r\n\r\nAlso, we are proofing the next issue of the magazine, and Jason realy made your tech article look great. Thanks for sending it in.','',0,'','32a5lps9',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3242,754,1,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1083267007,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Oliver Drill???','Okay this is a new one for me.  \r\n\r\nI was asked by someone if I had any information on an Oliver drill.  He said he had a drill (I am assuming a drill press--or--handheld drill) with an Oliver name on it.  Now, Oliver is a fairly common name and in all my years of researching the Oliver-line of products I have never come across this.\r\n\r\nAny help???\r\n\r\nThanks in advance.','',0,'','2kuwnry6',1,0,'',259,0,0),(3244,754,1,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1083267109,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I\'m an idiot...I think he meant either a seed drill or there is an Oliver named piece of machinery that grinds drill bits.\r\n\r\nDuhhhh <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: -->','',0,'','s2dvo9d5',1,0,'',259,0,0),(3245,752,5,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1083272165,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Good deal Chris,\r\n          You didn\'t have to go out of your way for me but thank you for doing so.   Get the farming done first!!!! It pays better  and take care in the field!!!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nOliver Renegade','',0,'','2dvfpsx7',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3246,750,1,76,0,'67.50.252.74',1083297001,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver outboard','Here is another resource to check the motor out\r\n\r\n<!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.pfs-ware.com/oliver.htm\">http://www.pfs-ware.com/oliver.htm</a><!-- m -->','',0,'','1j2tta7f',1,0,'',76,0,0),(3247,755,4,537,0,'137.140.48.127',1083341369,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HG + OC3  tin','I have an OC3 I would like to start restoring, I also have tin for a HG are they the same.\r\n\r\n                               Thanks\r\n                                  Jim','',0,'','22hnuzd3',1,0,'',537,0,0),(3248,752,5,10611,0,'216.93.70.182',1083377573,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','PM\'s are fixed!!','I finally found a way to reset everybody\'s  accounts, and so everybody can now use their Private Message feature. (This feature used to be called U2U).\r\n\r\nSorry about any inconvenience. If you have any more troubles or questions, just let me know.\r\n\r\nAnd thanks Danny for the kind thoughts. I hope everybody out there takes a little time to think safety when they are using these great machines that we love so much.  Don\'t let the object of your affection be your undoing.','',0,'','2ts8zd0r',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3249,755,4,35,0,'65.4.197.30',1083380000,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HG OC3','The sheet metal for the HG and OC 3 are interchangable.','',0,'','1kq75wuq',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3250,756,5,10611,0,'216.93.70.182',1083381754,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Spell checker','I have installed the spell checker. You will see the SpelChek button next to the preview and submit buttons. Click on it and it will give you options for the words it thinks are spelled wrong. \r\n\r\nIt\'s not perfect, but it should help.\r\n\r\nLet me know what you think','',0,'','3ep0q1jh',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3251,757,6,403,0,'66.187.34.95',1083412332,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','gas tractor and ether','Can a gas engine that ran well, then needed ether to start, and now will only stay running on ether be saved? What would be the problem? It is a single cylinder.','',0,'','1u7kj5wm',1,0,'',403,0,0),