hi there all, i&#039;m not sure if this is the right place for this but here goes. i am a small collector with limited knowledge and resources at my fingertips. i have heard of other people as well as my self ask this question almost every day.&amp;quot; can someone tell me how to tell what model Oliver implement this is?&amp;quot; this bothers me a little that there is usually no way to help in answering this question. yes, usually there are alot of people who try as best they can to give what knowledge they do have to try and help. there is some help on tractors in this area, but not for the implements. i saw some pictures of one of the summer shows of a #2 rake, a #50 baler and a #7 (i think) spreader. this is my interest as well is to collect and restore equipment as well as tractors. scince this is the Hart-Parr Oliver Collectors Association, and i emphasize on &amp;quot;Collectors&amp;quot;, how can we as an organization help solve this problem of identifying? the paint color is another problem. you ask the question and you hear &amp;quot;well, i think the wheels are supposed to be red and the rest green&amp;quot;. Ok, what color red and what color green? i understand that the resources are not there to even tell what year something was built. is this correct? i have found out on my own that in the front of some parts books there is a serial # listing and a year behind the #. but unless you have a parts book for every implement that oliver made wiht a tag on it, how can you tell what the year is. can we as an organiziation pull together and possibily put together something like this? i would be willing to try and help anyway i can as possibily maybe others would want to help too. it seems to me that when you say, and i do say this with pride,&amp;quot;i collect oliver equipment&amp;quot;,the first thing people say is &amp;quot;how many tractors do you have?&amp;quot; I have 3 tractors. but i also have a model 22? mower. I can&#039;t tell you if it is a 22, a 22-A, or a 22-B. i don&#039;t know how to tell. i also have a 82 mower, a 26 drill, a 50 baler, a #4 picker, a #73-H picker, a 4240 plow, a 2-16 plow on steel, a 2-16 plow on rubber, a 285 field cultivator, a #1 rotary hoe, a 4 row pipe cultivator, a 540 planter and a 535 v-8 combine. i have a goal to restore and show all of these plus any other oliver thing i can get my hands on. i do not want to restore to the wrong color sceme. does this make sence to anyone elese. i hate to see something restored and you say &amp;quot;is that the right color of green&amp;quot;, and they say &amp;quot;i don&#039;t know&amp;quot;. this is something i feel is a need for a collectors association to be able to do. to be able to help the collector if he or she asks for help. not just say&amp;quot; it would look good green or red.&amp;quot; i am not asking for the impossible. i just want to get the ball rolling and offer any help that i may be able to give. my 9 year old son asked me last night  as we were looking at the hart-parr oliver book by C. H. Wendel, to see a picture of my grandfathers #89 loader. guess what, there is no picture there . do not get me wrong, i love the book and use it alot . at least twice a week, but it doesn&#039;t help with all of the questions that are asked. almost all of either the parts, shop, and setting up and operating manuals have some sort of picture in them. can we as a association put together some sort of listing with this information available to the rest of the oliver people. if not in book form, at least on the world wide web. i am willing to listen to any and all other peoples  ideas on this matter and i hope that some of us in the association can help to identify.  thanks so much for listening and for having a place like this for people like me to come and complain.  your fellow collector  oliver farmer.