(3252,758,1,469,0,'64.12.116.143',1083413919,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1550 engine swap','will a 265 or a 283 cubic inch engine fit and bolt into a 1550 oliver','',0,'','1dc6dvqy',1,0,'',469,0,0),(3253,757,6,12,0,'69.128.200.166',1083419368,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The first a simplest thing would be to do a compression check. If compression is decent ,100 psi or so, and even across the cyl., you can do some more trouble shooting. How\'s the carburetor? What model tractor? WB.','',0,'','3f30ko3j',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3254,757,6,88,0,'4.155.123.59',1083429439,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Sounds like you just aren\'t getting gas through the carb. Your main jet may be clogged. If you are capable oftearing apart a carb., take it apart, clean out all the passages with a small wire. I use a pump oil can to make sure they are all open. You could also put it in chemical carb cleaner, but I would still make sure the passages are all open before putting it back together.','',0,'','26tca6j9',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3255,757,6,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1083447593,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','First take the fuel line off the carb. and make certain gas is running steady out of it. If not, well there\'s your answer. You can either blow air into the line still hooked to the tank or take the line off. If this is the case, I\'d recommend taking the line off and blowing it clean. As well as removing the tank and cleaning it. Might as well line the tank with sealer while its off!!\r\n\r\nI realize this is very simple but I\'ve overlooked it myself. Rebuild the carb and start tearing down the tractor....Dog gone it was just the stinking fuel line plugged. Stupid me!!!!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nOliver Renegade','',0,'','2v28engt',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3256,759,1,381,0,'206.176.222.96',1083460535,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 550 compression check ...','I\'m having an 1964 gas Oliver 550 overhauled and was told that the compression reading was 130psi on each cylinder .... what is the factory spec??','',0,'','19sbyl18',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3257,752,5,597,0,'161.184.200.123',1083479466,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','new forum format','i agree.this new format will take some getting used to,but i do like it so far','',0,'','yjcodjyv',1,0,'',597,0,0),(3258,760,1,239,0,'216.127.26.123',1083490594,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver Corn Planter','I just purchased a 2 row Oliver corn planter.  3 point hitch, cast press wheels etc.  This is an old one, but is in good working condition.  Unfortunately, on the way home from the sale the lid for one of the fertilizer boxes flew off and now I am in need of a replacement lid.\r\nIt does have a serial number plate but this MAY be a model 314.  I will research that some more.\r\nDoes anyone know where I may find a replacement lid for the oliver fertilizer box on a planter this old??\r\n\r\nI will refurbish the planter but it could go to the field tomorrow and plant corn or beans so I do want to replace the lid.\r\nWorse case is that I can cut a round piece of tin but that would not look as good on display.\r\n\r\nE-mail me at \r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:clarkangus@core.com\">clarkangus@core.com</a><!-- e --> with any info.\r\n\r\nThanks\r\n\r\nClark Angus','',0,'','17os1ewp',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3259,761,1,239,0,'216.127.17.96',1083504614,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver grain drill','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> \r\nI am interested in a model 64 or 76 oliver grain drill.\r\n\r\nI would prefer the 64 model but would consider a 76 depending upon condition.\r\nPlease send pictires via e-mail or by mail to the corresponding contacts information:\r\nDon Clark\r\nClark Angus Farm\r\n10368 Duncan Plains Road\r\nJohnstown , Ohio 43031\r\n\r\nThe more rust the less I am interested.  I want to purchase a good working grain drill that can be repainted and work in the field.\r\n\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:clarkangus@core.com\">clarkangus@core.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\n740-967-1845\r\nI would also prefer a one owner drill with the original manual.\r\n\r\nAnyquestions, call after 7pm Eastern Daylight Savings time\r\n\r\nI am located 25 miles northeast of Columbus, Ohio.','',0,'','1get08u1',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3260,762,1,239,0,'216.127.17.95',1083514402,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','correct model # of corn planter','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> The correct model of the corn planter is model 312\r\nIt was the 132 model produced in that year.\r\n\r\nthis is the model number I am wanting to purchase a lid for the pertilizer box\r\n\r\n740-976-1845','',0,'','11tco46k',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3261,741,1,239,0,'216.127.26.120',1083521107,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Larry Harsh in Iowa has a great one for sale.\r\n\r\nClark Angus','',0,'','3j5ttbrg',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3264,752,5,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1083545215,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','How does one U2U with this new software?  I may be dumb, but I can\'t find the link or button.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','1ua8v1p4',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3266,764,1,381,0,'206.176.198.36',1083546844,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Manifold Painting &amp; De-Rusting','I\'m in the process of getting an Oliver 550 restored and would like some advice as to de-rusting the manifold and what paint to use to seal it from further rusting.  suggestions?  Kerry Brunner <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:nailcreek@hotmail.com\">nailcreek@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'','1v06j9bi',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3267,741,1,250,0,'12.214.233.151',1083548854,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thank you so much for your reply. How do I get in contact with this gentleman?\r\n\r\nMoonman77','',0,'','3k1xby0f',1,0,'',250,0,0),(3268,752,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.141',1083556722,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','One other way is at the top of every page is a list that includes FAQ, Search, etc. Click on where it says you have no new messages (if you do have messages it will say you have x messages), this will take you to your Private Message center. From there you can check your inbox, outbox, sent box, and you\'ll now have a savebox to keep the important messages in.\r\n\r\nWhen you send a message, it will be in your outbox until the recipient opens it, then it moves into your sentbox. \r\n\r\nIf you click on profile, you can change a setting so you can have an email sent to you when you have new PM\'s.\r\n\r\nI would highly recommend reading the FAQ section. it has lots of documentation on how to use this forum to it\'s fullest extent. Of course, I am here to help out too, so let me know if you need any help.','',0,'','3d0zu6bx',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3269,765,1,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1083599153,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','World War Two production','Does anyone have information on what the Oliver Corp. produced during World War II?  I know that the company produced shells for the military, but we really don\'t have anything about the remainder of the products they produced. \r\n\r\nI know that later in the company\'s history a fairly large majority of the company\'s business was involved for the production of military contract items.\r\n\r\nThanks in advance!','',0,'','mox1k3sr',1,0,'',259,0,0),(3270,766,1,597,0,'161.184.198.39',1083599456,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','cockshutt 80','my nephew has a book on oliver tractors that was printed in the US.it says that oliver built less than 1000 of the model 80 over a period of four years(1936 to1939).i have a cockshutt 80 and i was wondering if anyone can help me with my question.\r\nwas this total production of this model (oliver and cockshutt)or was it just the ones designated as oliver? <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: -->','',0,'','2gymi5ir',1,0,'',597,0,0),(3271,741,1,239,0,'216.127.17.111',1083621184,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver 77','web site is\r\n<!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.olivertractor.com\">www.olivertractor.com</a><!-- w -->\r\n\r\nyou can see the tractor and read the features\r\n\r\nIf I had the money I would by it tomorrow\r\n\r\ne-mail is\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:cobalt@rconnect.com\">cobalt@rconnect.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nbuy the 77!\r\nIt is a VERY unique 77!!!\r\n\r\nDon Clark','',0,'','13g2xorj',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3272,744,1,239,0,'216.127.17.111',1083621374,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','tractors for sale','what year are your oliver 70\'s?\r\ncan you send pictures of the best oliver 70 to me?\r\n\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:clarkangus@core.com\">clarkangus@core.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nThanks\r\n\r\nClark angus','',0,'','7ijw1m68',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3275,768,1,609,0,'68.155.104.153',1083789045,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','I NEED HELP STARTING 1600 OLIVER DIESEL','My father and I just rebuilt a 1600 oliver, diesel. We are having problems getting it started. We have the timing set properly to the injector. The fuel is pumpped to the top, but it is not coming out forcefully. The engine turns over and there is very little or no smoke coming out of exhaust. We have an electric fuel pump only. What can re do to get it to start for the first time?','',0,'','1yutq11x',1,0,'',609,0,0),(3276,766,1,65,0,'216.183.133.74',1083798889,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Cockshutt 80','From the oliver gang serial number list it shows about 3000 produced 1936 to 1939,total run went to 1948 13000 approx. There are no cockshutt records [they were destroyed in early 60\'s ] and none has found any records of what was sent to cockshutt . Best guess that anyone has is 30 % were made as cockshutt . I have found one 80 rowcrop cockshutt here in ontario so rowcrop cockshutt 80 would be rare. Most 80 standards here are cockshutt not olivers.','',0,'','ca6oa579',1,0,'',65,0,0),(3278,770,1,381,0,'206.176.206.18',1083812786,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 550 Question - Help!','I\'ve a question about a 1964 gas Oliver 550 that I\'m having overhauled.  I\'m interested in knowing whether it would be appropriate for the fiberglass grill to be replaced with the metal grill?  Was this common, as the fiberglass version sure doesn\'t seem durable at all.\r\n\r\nThanks!','',0,'','2qmllndd',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3279,771,1,381,0,'206.176.206.18',1083812914,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Tires for my Oliver 550','I need a set of new rear tires for my 550 and they are apparently a \"weird\" size ... 13.6 X 28.  Any suggestions as to where to find them ~ cheap???','',0,'','1xq88u6r',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3281,759,1,147,0,'216.46.211.214',1083845471,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Compression','I just looked it up in the factory workshop book. Gas engine is 120 lbs at 150 RPM ( cranking speed ). <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'','3uu39vhs',1,0,'',147,0,0),(3282,712,1,549,0,'192.234.167.209',1083947324,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Cast centers for sale','I\'m being told that these are more likely to be used on an Oliver 66. Hey that\'s why I\'m a newbee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <!-- s:oops: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif\" alt=\":oops:\" title=\"Embarassed\" /><!-- s:oops: -->','',0,'','2sw61wvw',1,0,'',549,0,0),(3283,773,1,226,0,'66.38.227.100',1084033366,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','manifold installation','Hello everyone,\r\n\r\nLast fall I took the manifold off of our Super 55 for repair. It has been straightened up and sandblasted and I have the new seals and gaskets ready. I will put a coating of high temperature paint on it. The studs and bolts are all new and [u:1y3818dj]before bolting everything back, I would like to know if I should put any products like servicable locktite or similar on the studs and bolts?[/u:1y3818dj] Should I just thread them back without any product? How about the seals between intake and exhaust ports, is there any product to put on them to extend their life? I just want to di it right the first time.\r\n\r\nThank you all','',0,'AQ==','1y3818dj',1,0,'',226,0,0),(3284,774,1,381,0,'206.176.214.108',1084042261,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Tire size for my Oliver 550 ~ help!','Let\'s give this another shot ... My Oliver 550 needs a set of new rear tires ... and the size currently mounted on the \"spin-out\" rims is 13.6 X 26. Apparently this is a weird size, and hence pretty expensive per tire. Can a different size be used safely? Suggestions, please!','',0,'AQ==','1o4vqygv',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3285,774,1,35,0,'68.221.131.27',1084056551,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','550 tires','Nail,\r\nI am afraid you are stuck with those unless you get rims. The 550 came with the following tire sizes:\r\n11.2/10-28\r\n12.4/11-28\r\n13.6/12.26\r\n13.6/12-28 These are what I have\r\n14.9/13-24\r\n14.9/13-26 These might work\r\n\r\nMy are Firestones and I think they have the 13.6/12-26.','',0,'AQ==','25y28ndb',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3287,773,1,12,0,'69.128.203.188',1084112558,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I use Perma-tex 1A sealer on exhaust gaskets. It is fast setting and hard drying. If your manifold has any small imperfections it helps seal them. You could put Never-sieze on the bolts, but the heat will probably break it down over time. WB.','',0,'AQ==','29zmkvxp',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3288,768,1,96,0,'216.201.29.159',1084130961,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1600','The fuel will not come out forcefully if you mean you loosened the line and it dripped out. Pressure is caused by resistance to flow. You loosened the nut, the resistance went away. Are you sure you are on number one TDC and not Number 6?','',0,'AQ==','ejmaoo8z',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3289,776,1,611,0,'198.212.223.35',1084142243,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 59A loader','Hi out there:\r\n     I just bought a 59A loader for $100. It has had alot of customizing done it(You know - Farmer fixes!) I would like to get some drawings/photo\'s so that I can return it to original. Any help would be greatly app. thanks. Oh by the way I am a member of HPOCA and I am going to install the loader on my Super 55.','',0,'AQ==','3kbu03z6',1,0,'',611,0,0),(3290,776,1,226,0,'65.93.48.8',1084204836,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','59A','[img:3e6k1wtg]http&#58;//216&#46;167&#46;44&#46;209/programfiles/talers/sup55gas&#46;jpg[/img:3e6k1wtg]\r\n\r\nI think this is a 59A.. Hoping the pic will come up\r\n\r\nHTH','',0,'CA==','3e6k1wtg',1,0,'',226,0,0),(3291,776,1,611,0,'198.212.223.35',1084209106,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','It came up fine thanks. Your loader seems to have different lift arms, mine are made from tubular steel just like the main frame. But thanks for the photo anyway.','',0,'CA==','37uvi4vg',1,0,'',611,0,0),(3293,778,1,419,0,'207.144.213.125',1084239258,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','FOR SALE 88s, 550, 1600 and 1650s','FOR SALE:\r\n\r\nMany 88s\r\n1600 n/f gas \r\n550 gas\r\nmany 1650 some with and without loaders\r\n\r\n\r\nEmail me @   <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:cope_cowboy121@hotmail.com\">cope_cowboy121@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->\r\nor call (309) 526-3154','',0,'CA==','nprpd7dw',1,0,'',419,0,0),(3294,732,1,419,0,'207.144.213.125',1084239747,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','manifolds','Try <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.valu-bilt.com\">www.valu-bilt.com</a><!-- w --> or <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.ricksagriparts.com\">www.ricksagriparts.com</a><!-- w -->.','',0,'CA==','2ij94bqj',1,0,'',419,0,0),(3295,744,1,601,0,'205.188.116.143',1084244142,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','ALL TRACTORS SOLD','All the tractors re going to a colector in OHIO \"BIG JIM\" thanks forthe interest.MIKE','',0,'CA==','b0wd60w6',1,0,'',601,0,0),(3296,779,1,37,0,'65.6.24.133',1084245159,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','2155 sheet metal','I need some help, does anyone have any or know the specs for this tractor. I called the museum and they said they couldn\'t help; can some one on here provide this info or know where I could get the hood, grill, dash and side panels.  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'CA==','1etppqyb',1,0,'',37,0,0),(3297,779,1,26,0,'216.176.89.232',1084311768,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The 2155 is the same tractor as the MM G1350.  It was only built for one year with the Oliver colors and name and there were just over 200 of them.  But the MM G1350 was built for 3 or 4 years.  So you might be better off looking for sheet metal off a MM.','',0,'CA==','23v6625r',1,0,'',26,0,0),(3298,779,1,37,0,'65.6.23.190',1084318830,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','sheet metal','Sherry, I appreciate the update, but I just need the metal to make an aluminum copy. I am looking to make something different for the ol pulling track. I would really rather have the Oliver green under my eyes. Once again thanks,','',0,'CA==','zbcm7kcw',1,0,'',37,0,0),(3299,780,6,613,0,'199.199.226.42',1084505435,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','tractor colors','I have 2 1936 oliver hart parr 70\'s.  I have just about everything to restore one of them.  However, I have seen different paint on them(trim, name and grill).  Is one more original than the others? <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? -->','',0,'CA==','72nhs79n',1,0,'',613,0,0),(3300,729,2,613,0,'199.199.226.42',1084642987,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','cockshutt 80','all the cockshutt 80s are hart parr.  Until the mid 40\'s cockshutt was selling hart parrs that were purchised through Oliver. but there are a few Allis-Chalmers sold as cockshutt also in 1929.  Sales weren\'t good and went back to hart parr/oliver','',0,'CA==','12drs8q6',1,0,'',613,0,0),(3301,679,3,614,0,'205.188.116.143',1084682756,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','<!-- s8) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\"8)\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s8) --> \r\nas  a  postal employee that has  worked every delivery position and sorting job (I got hurt one winter)   \r\n\r\nI never noticed magazines  not getting sent out and just sitting around.\r\n\r\nOne day or 2 delays maybe but not a week on those what we call flats.\r\nI kinda don\'t think  the Postal  Service should take the  whole blame for the late  magazines.  Maybe some of it but not all of it.','',0,'CA==','1t5izezh',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3303,563,2,615,0,'203.221.150.27',1084751200,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','','Does anyone have any information on numbers of Australian Special Hart Parrs?  I understand the 18-36 and the 12-24 were sold here in Australia under this name.  I have also seen a New Zealand Special.\r\nAny books I have read seem unsure of the number of these specials.','',0,'CA==','324uwbm8',1,0,'',615,0,0),(3304,782,1,381,0,'206.176.198.47',1084761523,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 550 - Parts needed ... Help!!','Looking for the following Oliver 550 parts ... I need the lefthand final drive housing and internal seal retainer parts.  Mine was cracked and is now in about 50 pieces  <!-- s:oops: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_redface.gif\" alt=\":oops:\" title=\"Embarassed\" /><!-- s:oops: --> \r\n\r\nHelp!\r\n\r\nKerry Brunner\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:nailcreek@hotmail.com\">nailcreek@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nMerrill, WI  \r\n715-539-0270','',0,'CA==','so6pu4pk',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3306,742,3,360,0,'198.77.42.178',1084837126,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Got the new magazine today and was glad to see that it had more ads than articles in it. I have taken some time off from the forum but this magazine has no substance. I count four articles and a couple of letters. The graphics are great but were is the substance that Mr. Allen promised us. He took one of sherry\'s magazines to these people and said that it looked great but this is terrible that we have four articles and nothing on the tractor on the cover besides who owns it. This is all fluff and no substance..','',0,'CA==','1j1wigjo',1,0,'',360,0,0),(3307,783,3,360,0,'198.77.42.178',1084837358,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','What do you think of the magazine???????????','Got the new magazine today and was glad to see that it had more ads than articles in it. I have taken some time off from the forum but this magazine has no substance. I count four articles and a couple of letters. The graphics are great but were is the substance that Mr. Allen promised us. He took one of sherry\'s magazines to these people and said that it looked great but this is terrible that we have four articles and nothing on the tractor on the cover besides who owns it. This is all fluff and no substance.. I know that Mr. Allen doesn\'t stand by his promises because we are still waiting for the sherry explanation that he had promised us. I am still waiting for the things that you promise Mr. Allen.','',0,'CA==','26p2dfsy',1,0,'',360,0,0),(3308,784,6,597,0,'161.184.202.236',1084843713,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver/cockshutt 80','looking for someone with access to a head gasket at a reasonable price','',0,'CA==','3kne5pot',1,0,'',597,0,0),(3309,783,3,88,0,'4.155.69.150',1084844554,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well Ed, I think you will have a looooonnnnggggg wait if you think we are going to get any explanations from Mr Allen. I agree with you about the magazine. It\'s flashy, but little substance. I did notice how few letters to the editor there are. The old magazine always had many more,,,,somehow I doubt the reason is that people aren\'t writing. I just  think that they are only putting in a few hand picked letters. I particularly liked the comment from Mr Allen about Landis Zimmermans resignation. Some people know the real story behind it, but I guess we shouldn\'t discuss it here. Hey, look at the bright side,,,,,,,,Oliver Heritage is off to a great start........Maybe all things happen for the best?????','',0,'CA==','2bpyafk1',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3310,752,5,40,0,'64.12.116.130',1084881243,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nI like the new format for the most part. Just need to get used to it.\r\n\r\nSometimes when I hit the forum button on the homepage it goes directly to the forum, sometimes I get the message about the format being updated and I need to hit the website listed.  Not a big deal, but what gives?\r\n\r\nKind of miss the listing of the last 50 that had signed on.  Maybe it is still there, but I can\'t find it.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'CA==','3r1r4zwn',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3311,783,3,40,0,'64.12.116.24',1084881580,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','No magazine in Princeton Illinois as of today.','',0,'CA==','1x1t7zci',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3312,783,3,1,0,'12.18.109.117',1084883546,1,0,1,0,1,0,'OLIVERFAN','','it\'s time for all you CRY BABIES to back off and give the new editor a chance---the previous editor put out a lot of magazines over the years and i sure her first few did not have a lot of \"SUBSTANCE\"---what are YOU doing to make things better???---NOTHING probably, only sitting back complaining which only makes things worse---if you don\'t like the articles with \"NO SUBSTANCE\", why don\'t YOU contribute some stories with \"SUBSTANCE\" , instead of just tearing a great organization and magazine apart???---i\'m tired of hearing all the crying!!!','',0,'CA==','h0lsz5xu',1,0,'',1,0,0),(3313,783,3,88,0,'4.155.129.57',1084886823,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','To Mr OLIVERFAN: This organization tore itself apart, don\'t blame paying members for voicing their opinions and resort to calling them names, As far as the magazine editors go, it\'s a job, actually a business enterprise. To say that members have to contribute to make a better magazine is ridiculous. It is the editors job to find writers and/or write articles themselves. We, as members deserve to have a quality publication, delivered on time, and for the board and president to be responsive to our questions and concerns. That is what membeship entitles us to.  The article about the PTO removal was a good one, we need more like it. Like I said before and will say again, you can\'t replace content with a lot of pictures. I think they are making an effort to produce a quality magazine, but it\'s still far below what we were used to.','',0,'CA==','1rzqlzqa',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3314,783,3,1,0,'12.18.109.117',1084887810,1,0,1,1,1,0,'OLIVERFAN','','doug---the organization can\'t tear itself apart---the organization is THE MEMBERSHIP &amp; THE MEMBERSHIP IS TEARING IT DOWN--my point is why not contribute constructively??---anybody can sit on their duff and complain---WHAT GOOD DOES THAT DO???','',0,'CA==','3uayakm0',1,0,'',1,0,0),(3315,783,3,88,0,'4.155.99.177',1084890866,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','OLIVERFAN,,,,,That\'s ridiculous, the membership has no input into decisions made by the President and board. THey were entrusted to serve the membership, and have failed miserably. THe only thing members can do is vote them out when the time comes','',0,'CA==','jtz4b381',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3316,783,3,1,0,'12.18.109.117',1084893107,1,0,1,1,1,0,'OLIVERFAN','','doug--i have asked a question in each post and you haven\'t answered ether one--plus this is about the magazine with no \"SUBSTANCE\" not the board of directors---can you answer my questions, please??','',0,'CA==','2q4575kr',1,0,'',1,0,0),(3317,783,3,88,0,'4.155.126.222',1084896516,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','OLIVERFAN, I answered your question.....You asked about what members can do to make it better, the answer is that the members should not have\r\nto make up for poor performance of a magazine editor who is not doing his/her job up to expectations. Just by stating your question, you are admitting that the magazine is below standard. I certainly have nothing against members contributing articles or ideas, but this is not a volunteer job. The magazine side of HPOCA is run as a business, with a contract. The current editors make an income from it, as did Sherry Schaeffer. If we apply your logic to the rest of the world, you would expect some other business that makes a contractual agreement to perform a job to seek volunteers do do their job for them. This makes no sense, as the business makes the money, and the volunteers do the work for them. HPOCA is not just a little friendly group of tractor collectors, it is a business, that produces a product and a service. Yes, it is non profit, but we pay a membership fee which we expect to receive a certain quality of service, or product (in the case of the magazine) in return. I hope this answers the question you raised to your satisfaction.','',0,'CA==','pmytkrih',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3318,783,3,1,0,'12.18.109.117',1084903486,1,0,1,1,1,0,'OLIVERFAN','','WHOA DOUG---STOP RIGHT THERE!!!---I DID NOT ADMIT, STATE,OR IMPLY THAT THE NEW EDITOR WAS DOING A POOR JOB OR THAT THE MAGAZINE WAS BELOW STANDARD!!!--I ASKED THAT THE MEBERSHIP GIVE THE NEW EDITOR A CHANCE--I ALSO SAID THAT I WAS SURE THAT THE PREVIOUS EDITOR\'S 2ND OR 3 RD MAGAIZINE WAS NOT PERFECT!!\r\n  WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS LETS QUIT BASHING THE NEW EDITOR AND THE MAGAZINE---LETS GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY HE DESERVES-- WE CAN DO THAT BY STOPPING THE PETTY COMPLAINING AND GIVE HIM OUR SUPPORT-----------DOUG, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT????','',0,'CA==','232w2yo7',1,0,'',1,0,0),(3319,783,3,88,0,'4.155.99.45',1084904975,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','What is wrong with that is fact that the board hired the present editor to produce a quality magazine. Like I said earlier, this is not a voluntary position, it\'s a paid job. Anyone who applies for and accepts a job should have the qualifications and abilities to do the job as per the contract. I am not personally bashing anyone. I think you are the one who referred to anyone who is critical of the magazine as a \"cry baby\" Is than not a form of bashing? Some of us are not pleased with the content of the magazine,\r\nand to simply state that is not bashing. We are looking and hoping to see improvement in certain areas. I think I will wait to see if any other members care to post their views before I say anymore on the subject.','',0,'CA==','1q8ba8i8',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3320,783,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1084907669,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Wow another nameless wonder stirring \"shtufff\" on the HPOCA forum. \r\nOliverfan did you write an article for the HPOCA magazine.  Probably not. You would rather cause trouble. As my maternal grandfather used to say \"If it don\'t stink! Don\'t stir it.\"\r\n\r\n           I have no problem with the new magazine. Its Okay. Good job Chris.\r\n\r\n        I do have a problem with the rest of the club. I am very concerned with this HPO foundation. Frank Dodson, I sent you an email after the winter convention stating some of my concerns about this. Did you read Terry Allen\'s \"President\'s Desk\"    Frank, it seems my concerns are valid. \r\n\r\nAnother good ol boys club formed....and run by...well, good ol boys. \r\n\r\n                  However this Foundation was approved by HPOCA members at the meeting. I was there...I did not vote one way or the other for I felt I hadn\'t enough information to base my vote. \r\n            However other members voted and approved. I wonder if this is the only role members outside the \'clique\' will play in this foundation. I mean besides donating money to the cause or maybe we can raise HPOCA dues to generate money for the HPO Foundation. That \'ll make members feel although they are part of it.\r\n          Oooooh I know how \'bout lets get HPOCA chapters to pay $1000 per year to go to the HPO Foundation.  \r\n       Remember this was brought up at the Winter meeting....the wording was different but the idea the same....Thankfully this was declined. \r\n         I have found many times when something is brought up...eventually it does become a reality.  Even if declined in the first round.\r\n\r\nHPOCA members be very careful what you vote for during the Summer Meeting. If you do not feel you have enough info on something. Speak up\r\nand say why you do not feel it is appropriate to vote on (whatever)  at this time.\r\n\r\n       We did not have an opportunity to study the HPO Foundation by-laws at the winter meeting. Before voting on it.    Why did we not have an opportunity to study the HPO bylaws in the new HPOCA magazine?\r\n\r\n         This final question, I would like an answer to by the president of  both HPOCA and the HPO Foundation, Mr. Terry Allen\r\n\r\nThank You\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nstill Renegading it!','',0,'CA==','z1xc2nu4',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3321,783,3,1,0,'12.18.109.117',1084911075,1,0,1,1,1,0,'OLIVERFAN','','HEY DANNY---IT DOES STINK---AND WHAT STINKS IS ALL THE GRIEF THE CRY BABIES ARE GIVING CHRIS AND THE MAGAZINE---THE MAGAZINE IS THE ONLY THING THAT I\'M REFERRING TO, NOT HPOCA, NOT THE PREZ &amp; BOARD---JUST THE FOLKS THAT WON\'T GIVE CHRIS A CHANCE--IF YOU THINK THIS IS JUST STIRRING SHIFF , SO BE IT!!!','',0,'CA==','27021hi0',1,0,'',1,0,0),(3322,783,3,88,0,'4.155.99.10',1084918051,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','One more thing Mr OLIVERFAN, Where did I ever say I was not giving Chris a chance? What I said that the magazine needs more material. I never suggested anything more. All I expect is to receive a magazine with similar content as the one we were all used to. If the present editor can achieve that, I will be the first to congratulate him/her. Member # 3614,\r\nBy the way OLIVERFAN,,,, are you a member,,,,,,do you have a name?','',0,'CA==','3u3pibgg',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3323,783,3,1,0,'12.18.109.117',1084919873,1,0,1,1,1,0,'OLIVERFAN','','DOUG---YOU\'ER RIGHT, YOU DIDN\'T COME OUT AND SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT GIVING CHRIS A CHANCE, BUT YOU SKIRTED ALL AROUND IT--LOOK AT YOUR 1ST POST---FLASHEY, LITTLE SUBSTANCE\r\nHAND PICKED LETTERS\r\nLOOK AT YOUR 4TH POST---POOR PERFORMANCE OF THE EDITOR WHO IS NOT DOING HIS JOB UP TO EXPECTATIONS\r\nLOOK AT YOUR 5TH POST---QUESTIONING HIS QUALIFICATIONS AND ABILITIES\r\nIF THAT\'S NOT BASHING THE EDITOR DOUG, I DON\'T KNOW WHAT IT IS--CAN YOU GIVE A BETTER DEFINITION?----------------------------------------AND YES, I AM A MEMBER AND I HAVE A NAME, BUT DARN IF I WANT YOU BASHING ME','',0,'CA==','33jcfh4p',1,0,'',1,0,0),(3324,742,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1084931953,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Wow, There is an EMPTY COVER on my HPOCA Mag.','Ed, you are absolutely correct, there is hardly anything between the covers of the mag, imagine that???!!!???  I counted 3 articles, something that might be considered a 4th, but I thought it was an advertisement for the show.  What is happening to our club, oops, I\'m sorry, I forgot it was not our club anymore.  I don\'t know, this whole thing stinks.\r\n\r\nEd, Oliver Renegade','',0,'CA==','efq5ktz2',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3325,768,1,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1084941986,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','I need help starting 1600 OLIVER DIESEL','Check with someone on site as I,m not a pro, but if you have any lines with air (which is compressible) from the pump to the injectors, you will not generate the pressure necessary to spray a fuel mist which will ignite in the cylinder from the heat of the compression stroke. I\'m not an Oliver mechanic, but I\'ve worked on stuff from Ford 6.9 \'s (IHC V-8) to Detroits and anything not direct injected has to have full lines.  You can usually loosen the fitting at the injector and while turning the motor over eject air bubbles until only fuel spews.  Do each line in turn.  Good luck and hope someone can help out.','',0,'CA==','1i2fl54o',1,0,'',590,0,0),(3326,785,1,230,0,'66.103.230.143',1084960163,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','13.6 x 26 tire available','Used 13.6 x 26 Goodyear Sure Traction farm tire . On rim. Holds air. Never filled with chloride. NOT WEATHER CHECKED NOR IS IT CRACKED.. \r\n\r\nGreat Condition; Kept inside most of its life. Obviously only used during harvest seasons.....wheat and bean harvest seasons. \r\n\r\nOn Gleaner \"A\" Allis Chalmers rim, from Gleaner A combine. Left over from my dads farming days. \r\n\r\nTire is NOT weathered or checked. Aproximately 60% of tread left. \r\n\r\nTire and rim $250.00 or best offer \r\n\r\nTire and rim was from Gleaner A combine. This tire is a common size for antique tractors, Massey, Oliver, John Deere, Allis Chalmers, Ford. \r\n\r\nCall 989 860 7312, leave message if i don\'t answer.','',0,'CA==','3rwqwbzj',1,0,'',230,0,0),(3327,752,5,40,0,'205.188.116.14',1084962979,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nWhile I\'m at it I have another question.  When I log in I have checked the button to be logged on automatically each time I visit the forum.  So far it is not working or I don\'t understand the process.  Does that button mean what it says or is its main purpose to keep you logged on beyond the preset time?  By the way what is the preset time to stay logged on?\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'CA==','m2nvmmb9',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3328,783,3,40,0,'205.188.116.143',1084964700,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','To Mr./Mrs./Ms. OLIVERFAN:\r\n\r\nFirst of all I understand it is perfectly acceptable and within your \"rights\" not to use your name when posting on this forum.\r\n\r\nThat said, I think that not including your name or membership number because you don\'t want to be bashed is the easy way out.  If you have an opinion good, bad, or indifferent I believe as a member of the club you should use your name.  I have always used mine on this forum since the day I registered.  If you are going to comment on the club the magazine, the board, etc. I don\'t think screen names are appropriate.  On other websites I will use a screen name, but not here.  \r\n\r\nIf you want to continue to use a screen name you could at least update your profile to indicate where you are located.\r\n\r\nComments are good for the club, so I hope you continue to do so, but I for one would give them more credence if you used your name.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'CA==','1z7jh1lw',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3329,783,3,47,0,'65.238.36.211',1084970711,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','As far as content in the magazine, there has always been some filler material, at least in my opinion. The former editor often used pages of literature, but, while some members collect literature, many don\'t. The editor is not paid for a full time position now, it is split between the editor and the publisher, if that makes any difference. As far as I am concerned, the magazine has never covered enough chapter events, oh occasionally there has been one, but nothing like I would like to see. This is a HPOCA publication, and chapters are a vital part of the association, thus deserve coverage. My opinion on this is probably in the minority, but I would like to see what ALL the chapters are doing. The editor has a travel expense allotment in the budget, I would prefer to see this used to go to chapter events, not going to Missouri City, TX, to attend a seminar, designed to educate the editor. Since this position is paid, the editor should cover their own education.\r\nI suggest Oliver collectors should subscribe to Oliver Heritage, it deals with Olivers, where as HPOC should have a stronger content on our association. You can subscribe by sending an e-mail to <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:sherry@oliverinformation.com\">sherry@oliverinformation.com</a><!-- e -->, or phone 217-563-8327 for more information.\r\nBoth magazines are informative, according to their perspective format.\r\nAs far as HPO Foundation goes, this is a normal entity. It is used to channel grants for a designated purpose, something that is not possible directly to HPOCA. It also limits HPOCA liability, it is a legal separation of the two organizations. Corporate and governments are much more receptive to granting funding to a foundation, than to an association. This is a point suggested to me by a friend who is a full time museum administrator. As he has made a career of this, I respect his opinion, even though he collects DeSoto\'s, Farmall\'s, and Indian pottery. He also suggested we incorporate an endowment fund, to stabilize the foundation. I passed these suggestions on to President Allen, and he took the appropriate action.\r\nCurrently, HPO Foundation has received donations from the Oliver Foundation, HPOCA, and each HPOCA Officer, and Director has pledged $1,000.\r\nMaybe, the rain will dry up a bit, and I can finish planting today!\r\nHave a great day, and take care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'CA==','24lewrv5',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3330,783,3,1,0,'12.18.109.92',1084978198,1,0,1,1,1,0,'OLIVERFAN','','bill---an easy way out of what???---first of all, i am not comenting on the club,the magazine,or the board--i am comenting on the cry babies, the whinners, and the bad apples in the barrel that keep on &amp; on complaining about everything, IE the club, the magazine, the board, and most importantly the new editor---SHERRY IS NOT COMING BACK! so let\'s support our new editor--let\'s change our attitudes now and move ahead in a positive manner--why not stop all the negative comments and actions now for the sake of a great organization!!!','',0,'CA==','28e14lzg',1,0,'',1,0,0),(3331,783,3,88,0,'4.155.129.101',1084979549,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','To \"nameless\" OLIVERFAN: There is a term in the English language that you may not be familiar with, it\'s \"constructive criticism\" Let me explain that to you, what it means is you point out areas that are in need of improvement. The end result is you get a better product. The term bashing\r\ndoes not apply here. Where I feel the term bashing does apply is to your comments, calling people \"cry babies\" and \"whiners\" is more of a personal attack and that IS bashing a person in my opinion. Obviously if are scared to put your name on what you write, it doesn\'t give your comments much credibility.','',0,'CA==','2ex6k4f4',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3332,783,3,1,0,'12.18.109.92',1084984143,1,0,1,1,1,0,'OLIVERFAN','','so your name is doug---what does that mean to me??--why don\'t you\r\npay attention to the meat of my last post about doing a turnaround, and being positive,instead of worrying about who i am or where i\'m from---what i quoted you as posting above in my 2nd to last is  ABSOLUTELY NOT  \"CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM\" as you define above!!','',0,'CA==','2n2lu7fn',1,0,'',1,0,0),(3333,783,3,88,0,'4.155.99.96',1084987753,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','It\'s just fine with me OLIVERFAN if you remain nameless. By posting my membership number and name it means I\'m not afraid to make a statement and stand behind it. If you offer no information as to who you are or where you are from it only makes it hard for most people to take your defensive comments seriously. You have called us names and condemned us, but coming from a nameless person, it really means nothing. You obviously have quite an attitude about all of this, I hope for your own sake you calm yourself down. Typing  some of your posts in capitals shows you have a bit of a problem. It\'s considered bad form, but maybe you aren\'t aware of that. Doug Grandy member 3614','',0,'CA==','3em9ain2',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3334,783,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1084989424,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy,\r\n    I am almost in agreement with you. I also would like to see more chapter news in the magazine.  For that matter I would like to see more HPOCA news in the magazine.  Certainly the HPO Foundation deserves more than just one paragragh. \r\n          \r\n         I would have felt much better about this foundation if it was established by more then one club. A joint effort of clubs.  I would feel better about this foundation if it was asked of the Hpoca membership for nominations/ suggestions of people to run this foundation.  As it is now, it looks like a second good ol\' boy club established or maybe a person could possibly buy his/or herself a seat on the HPO board.\r\n            \r\n         I do realize the purpose of the HPO Foundation and that it is a seperate organization from HPOCA. Having said that, because the HPO Foundation is a seperate organization from HPOCA. A person who is not a member of HPOCA could run for and obtain an HPO officers position. Is this not correct? and that non HPOCA member legally has every right to do so.\r\n            \r\n        I salute you Andy for mentioning Oliver Heritage in your post. Yes it is a great publication and will only get better with time. I cannot praise it enough and like Andy I highly recommend collectors of Oliver and its cousins to subscribe to Oliver Heritage. Probably the best $25 you\'ll spend.\r\n           \r\n                I also must comment on the latest HPOCA magazine. Honestly I see nothing wronge with it. I do not mind reading about HPOCA members. HPOCA is a tractor club and the magazine is a great way for members to get to know one another. I certainly think this last issue is a great improvement over the first and I\'m also starting to see the magazine gain  personality. This is a good thing. As I have said earlier, I wish it covered more HPOCA news.\r\n                         \r\n                 Andy, I\'m not certain what you are getting at mentioning the editor of a magazine going to Missouri  City, TX.  I have to wonder if its not an attempt by you to fertilize the interior of the previous editors hat or is this a seminar Chris wishes to attend?  I have no problem with the club paying for the editor to attend such  seminars.  When I worked as a Herdsman the farm I worked for paid for my attending classes and seminars. Travel expenses, cost of the class/ seminar and hotel. I had to pay for my own food and so I ate light.  My younger brother who is a diesel mechanic gets sent off to seminars/ classes to learn about the latest changes in diesel engines. Same deal, all expense paid. \r\n          \r\n                   If the editor of the magazine plans to make a career out of it and I believe the previous editor had plans on making a career out of being editor of the HPOCA magazine. Remember it was the HPOCA board who ended Sherry\'s career as magazine editor. I have NO problem with Hpoca paying for the editor to go to seminars. Of course, good judgement and reason must be used by the editor and club in all cases.\r\n\r\nI wish my arms were big enough to sport an Oliver Shield tattoo.\r\nStay cool,\r\n Danny Tabor #747\r\n     Oliver Renegade? but of course, I am!!!\r\n\r\nStill waiting for Mr. Terry Allen (president of both HPOCA and the HPO Foundation) to answer a few questions.','',0,'CA==','sqa1f3xp',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3335,783,3,1,0,'12.18.109.92',1084990870,1,0,1,1,1,0,'OLIVERFAN','','doug--i use capital letters to stress a point which  has gone over your head---obviously, you are more concerned about my identity and letter\r\n\"form\" than you are about correcting a problem between you &amp; who ever \"us\" is and the HPOCA------what i have tried to say is------------------in capital letters-------------------------------------------------------------------LET\'S HAVE A POSITIVE ATTITUDE AND LET\'S SUPPORT OUR NEW EDITOR!!!!!!!','',0,'CA==','3smpuxbs',1,0,'',1,0,0),(3336,783,3,47,0,'65.238.36.69',1085000505,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Danny,','I would have to get a copy of HPO Foundation bylaws to answer your question correctly. As I remember, and this may or may not be accurate, the HPOCA board of directors appoint the trustees of the foundation, or something like that, the terms run for a different length of time than HPOCA positions. This was done on the expectation that the members would approve elected board members for HPOCA, and was designed where influence peddling would not be possible, at least that is how I understand it. HPO Foundation clearly serves only an administrative function. I believe it might be possible to have non-HPOCA members as Officers, or Trustees of this foundation, in many foundations this is the case. Some larger foundations hire these positions, HPO is not that big. I looked over the proposals, they are pretty much standard for a foundation of this type. I guess the lawyer just took a standard format, and inserted the names, addresses, and dates. I saw nothing out of order, or unusual about this proposal.\r\n My comment about Missouri City, TX, was my opinion as to how travel allowances would best benefit the members. Both current and former editors have gone to these. I would rather see coverage of a chapter event. I did have some classes payed for by an employer in the past, but once I built my own business, I had to pay for this. There is a differance between being an employee, and being a contractor. As a contractor of transportation services, I am expected to provide whatever is necessary to meet my customers needs, my customers would not buy me a truck, tags, etc., and they will not pay to educate me.\r\n Of course, I will support Oliver Heritage. Sherry is a long time friend, we have been to many, many events, and put in lots of time working, and partying at events. We may not always agree, but that is just life. Bottom line, she told me she wanted her own publication, I agree it is the best thing for her, and want her to succeed. So, I support her effort, and encourage others to do likewise!! I hope you understand.\r\n To the rest of y\'all;\r\nI served in the US Army, overseas protecting our freedoms. Among these freedoms is the first amendment of the US Constitution, which guarantees free speech. With a chain being no stronger than the weakest link, we must guard that ALL have the right to express their opinion, whether we agree with that opinion or not.  When attempts are made to silence one, by any means, are made, we just weaken the chain, thus, threaten our own right to free speech. If you don\'t like this forum, or its discussions, your computer has an off switch, I suggest you use it! I don\'t care if those here agree with me, most understand this. Anybody can agree or disagree, that is not important. What is important is anyone can express their opinion, and viewpoints!!! That is the opinion from the peanut gallery!!\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'CA==','1jl8bnwh',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3337,783,3,88,0,'4.155.81.85',1085004011,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','OLIVER fan, as it appears you are a new member here, unless you are just an old member with a new screen name. If you have followed this forum for awhile you might have noticed a point was made about people using their real names and membership numbers to establish some credibility. as far as my comments about the magazine, I fully understand who the present editor is and the fact that Sherry is not coming back (she would be nuts to even consider it at this point) The question is not \"supporting\" Chris. I do not know the man, and have no opinion of him other than the job he does for the HPOCA magazine. To be honest, I feel a bit sorry for the guy, he has a big void to try to fill, considering he replaced Sherry. With my support or not, he has the job, and has a contract. My comments did not say the magazine was bad, what it does need is more material, more letters, and more of a personal touch that the magazine has lost. You obviously have very strong feelings about this, so it makes us wonder who you really are and what your motives are. You must also consider the fact that if everyone acted as you want us to, we would all have to say \"The magazine is great\" You don\'t want anyone expressing an opinion unless it is in agreement with yours.','',0,'CA==','2i1brqdu',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3338,783,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085005597,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy,\r\n      I appreciate your quick responses to my posts but I would prefer if Terry Allen (president of both HPOCA and the HPO foundation) to respond. He is the man who knows the foundation by-laws. He is the man leading both organizations....so he is the man I want responding to my post. \r\n   \r\n Thank you anyway.\r\n \r\nPresident of both HPOCA and HPO....you are the man we are waiting for answers from!!!! You are in the position to answer questions...As far as HPO, Andy is not!!!He can only offer thoughts and opinions.\r\n\r\nLive Large!!!\r\nDanny Tabor #747 \r\n Oliver Renegade','',0,'CA==','1vjqdzsp',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3339,783,3,26,0,'216.176.88.90',1085005760,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Correction','I have never attended a seminar in Missouri City, Texas.  The first seminar was held there in February of 2004, one week prior to the winter-get-together in PA.  I did not attend since I was somewhat \"unemployed\" and watching my nickels and dimes.  To the best of my knowledge, it was not attended by the HPOCA\'s current editor either.  But you would need conformation from them on that.  \r\n\r\nI did visit Missouri City in March of 2003 for a one-day trip at the suggestion of the president.  It was to become familiar with the how subscriptions were handled there and to better the working relationship between McMillens and myself since I was working with them on a daily basis, but I\'ve never been to their seminar.  - Sherry','',0,'CA==','2hn46swc',1,0,'',26,0,0),(3340,783,3,360,0,'198.77.42.169',1085006511,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I will say this that I tried not to attack anybody personally but Mr. Allen promised us a better magazine and I probably would not want to be in Chris\'s shoes but this is not better save for the graphics that I mentioned. I waited for a couple of issues to come out before I voiced my opinion on this and this is criticism of Mr. Allen and the board that promised and explanation and a better magazine and did not give us anything.  That is why I would never trust them with the foundation. The Number three fiasco were the good old boys did not get to play and they did what they did just proves that with there leadership that this is destined to fail. At least they will get to play they are in charge but not with my money.','',0,'CA==','2tu2wu31',1,0,'',360,0,0),(3341,783,3,47,0,'65.238.36.136',1085007260,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Sorry Sherry,','I knew you had gone down there, since Chris went there to a seminar, at least that was what was mentioned at the last board meeting, I figured that was the same sort of thing you went there for. But, I believe you know how I feel about the issue of chapter coverage in HPOC, at least you did get some good photos from the 5th wheel of my truck at Lukes place. That is the sort of coverage I wish we would see more of in HPOC.\r\nTake care!!\r\nAndy','',0,'CA==','1b6z8coq',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3342,783,3,163,0,'207.177.76.156',1085020998,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','magizine','Oliver fan The problem as I see it  is your worried about the publication while the membership is worried about the club.                     Duane Brandt Galva Iowa 712 282 4378  <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'CA==','p0pqv95e',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3343,786,1,381,0,'206.176.214.76',1085021274,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Bull Gear Driveshaft  Needed for a 1964 Oliver 550','The never-ending story continues.  After pulling the top off the transmission, we found that I need the righthand \"bull gear drive shaft\" for my 1964 Oliver 550.  The gear that\'s on the shaft is chipped ...  it\'s the gear which drives the bull gear on the rear axles.  Suggestions, Please??\r\n\r\nHelp!','',0,'CA==','kx5h4qnm',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3344,566,2,613,0,'199.199.226.42',1085021967,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','before hart parr was bought buy oliver, they produced tractors for cockshutt.  According to books I have the only time they did not was 1929 when cockshutt tried sell Allis-Chalmers.  The Allis deal was unsatisfactory and went back to Hart Parr.  Cockshutt did not produce there own tractor until 1945, the cockshutt 30','',0,'CA==','20l8djqs',1,0,'',613,0,0),(3345,783,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.153',1085024696,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Re:','[quote=&quot;Andy&quot;:1sauhccf]My opinion on this is probably in the minority, but I would like to see what ALL the chapters are doing. The editor has a travel expense allotment in the budget, I would prefer to see this used to go to chapter events, not going to Missouri City, TX, to attend a seminar, designed to educate the editor. Since this position is paid, the editor should cover their own education.\n[/quote:1sauhccf]\r\n\r\nHey Andy, \r\n\r\nWe did go to the seminar in Missouri City, TX, but it was not designed to educate just us. There were 16 other magazines represented there, all customers of McMillen Communications. The intent of the seminar was to get all of these magazines\' representatives together to meet with the other half of the equation - the printers, promotional companies, the USPS, etc to discuss ways to increase circulation.\r\n\r\nWe originally didn\'t feel it was a good idea to go to this seminar with no more experience than we had at the time. (Almost none!) These were professionals that didn\'t need us holding them back. But after talking with a couple of people in the business, and with the support and encouragement of the board, we decided to go. There was no charge for the seminar itself, and most of the meals were included with the seminar, and the rest we paid for out of our own pocket. The club re-imbursed us for our airplane tickets, car rental, and hotel stay. \r\n\r\nWhen the seminar was all said and done, I was glad we went. Not only did we get \'educated\', but we made a lot of good contacts in the business.\r\n\r\nAs to going to every chapter\'s event,  I personally don\'t think this is the best way to spend the clubs money. There are people in each chapter (I am a member of about half of the chapters, and keep adding more, so I know what their newsletters look like) that are capable of writing up something about what their chapter is doing. Remember, we are [u:1sauhccf][i:1sauhccf]editors[/i:1sauhccf][/u:1sauhccf], which means we are responsible for deciding what goes into the magazine. That doesn\'t mean we have to write every word that goes into it. Our contract does say that we will write artciles as needed, but nowhere in it does it say that we have to write it all.  It also says that we will pay our own way to the HPOCA Summer and Winter shows, and all board meetings, but if the board wants us to represent the club anywhere else, we will need to be re-imbursed for our travel expenses. The great thing about a contract is that as long as both sides agree to what is in the contract, you can put anything legal in it. We are getting less than half of what Sherry did for our position as editor, so it wouldn\'t take very long for what we do make to be eaten up by travel expenses. We plan on going to several shows this summer, and so far, we plan on footing the bill for all of them.\r\n\r\nOn to the other complaints.\r\nFirst the amount of content. We ran out of space. We even had to pull 2 articles.  The reason being we had a lot of paid advertisers. I think it would be a bad idea to tell a paying advertiser that we won\'t take their ad. And if you think we should limit new advertisers, that would have eliminated Oliver Heritage\'s ad. Sherry contacted us in plenty of time, paid in advance, and had the art work already done.  I wasn\'t going to turn her down. \r\nWe are currently looking into 2 different approaches to remedy this problem. One is to raise the advertising rates. We have been told by 6 different advertisers that our rates are cheap. Now when they are telling you that, it\'s good sign that it\'s time to raise the rates. I\'m sure we will loose a couple of advertisers, and some may decrease the size of their ads, creating more space.\r\nThe other is to add more pages. Sherry said she was looking into this at that fateful meeting in November, for the same reasons. She didn\'t want to have to turn away paying advertisers, and was running out of room for content. We are working with Driveline Publications as to what the cost would be so we can present it to the board at the next meeting. \r\nI doubt either of these options will be implemented until the first issue of 2005.\r\n\r\n\r\nNow for the criticism. We want to know what everybody thinks, good or bad. But instead of saying \" this is all fluff and no substance\" and \" terrible\" how about, \"I would like to see more aritcles and less advertising.\" or \" I would have liked to have seen more about the tractor on the cover\". You are entitled to your opinions. And I am entitled to ignore them when you present them the way you do. \r\nWe have paid attention to the criticisms of the past. You din\'t like the amount of literature scans. They are basically none in this issue. You didn\'t like all of the address change notices, there is only one this time. You wanted more letters to the editor, well, we can only print what we get. We have gotten a couple that were great, but included the line, please do not use this in the magazine. We got a couple that were bad, but also said not to place them in the magazine. We just received one from a gentleman from Canada that was unhappy to find out Sherry had been fired, and we plan on using that one. And the amount of regular letters to the editor has started to pick up, but it is not nearly as many as we thought there would be. You wanted Tech articles, and there is one in this issue. There also will be one or 2 in the next issue.\r\nSo please, choose you words wisely, and you might get a better response.','',0,'oQ==','1sauhccf',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3346,752,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.153',1085026003,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Bill,\r\n\r\nFor the problem of sometimes getting the forum, other times getting the old forum address, you probably need to clear out your browser cache. It depends on which version of which browser you are running to do this, but sometimes the computer gets impatient and will display and older version that is stored locally on your computer. If you clear the cache. this should fix the problem.\r\n\r\nI miss the last 50 visitors too. It is not a feature of this new software. I have been looking for an add-on that will do this, but so far, no luck.\r\n\r\nOn the automatic log-in is supposed  recognize your computer and log you in as soon as you arrive. It works great for me, but one thing you have to do is NOT click on log out when you leave. This de-activates the automatic log-on feature. If you are inactive for more than 5 minutes, your name is removed from the currently online list, but the session length is set for 60 minutes. The 60 minutes only applies in you aren\'t using the automatic log-on feature. So in a nutshell, when you are done on the forum, just go to the next web site or shut off your computer, etc, and the forum will remove you from the online list after 5 minutes.\r\n\r\nIf you still have problems, then either your Internet security setting is too high and removing the cookie that logs you on, or some other program is. I\'m using Netscape without any trouble, but haven\'t tried Internet Explorer with the automatic feature as of yet. \r\n\r\nIf this doesn\'t make it work, let me know what browser you are using and I\'ll try to get you going.','',0,'oQ==','erpjc1am',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3347,752,5,40,0,'152.163.242.213',1085027096,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nI had been logging out.  Will not do that and see if that was my problem.\r\nWill also clear the cache.\r\n\r\nThanks for the reply.  \r\n\r\nDid get the magazine today. \r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'oQ==','2x6j7gvr',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3348,783,3,88,0,'4.155.126.36',1085052711,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','So Chris, are you trying to tell us that in the time since you started as editor that you only got one letter about Sherry\'s firing? I find that hard, if not impossible to believe.','',0,'oQ==','153fesdg',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3349,783,3,88,0,'4.155.99.66',1085058156,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Just another question for Chris: If I am following what you tell us correctly, the article content of the magazine is directly related to the amout of ad space that is sold. So, in other words, more ads equals less articles, less ads equals more articles. If this is the case, and you bumped an article in favor of an ad for the latest edition, where will it end? If you take it to the limits, it could mean a magazine with nothing but ads. I\'m sure you will tell me that will never happen, but I wonder. If HPOCA is non profit organization set up to serve its members, it appears that you are selling out the members for the ad dollar. If that\'s the way it\'s going to be from now on, maybe the name should be changed from HPOCA to HPO\"CASH\", (sorry couldn\'t resist a bit of humor there <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->)','',0,'oQ==','21fv5j11',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3350,783,3,47,0,'65.238.36.127',1085062923,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Chris,\r\nWe have a publisher, it is my opinion that issues such as printers, and industry contacts should be addressed by the publisher. I know you will catch the flak, but it is the publishers job to take your material, and get a magazine into the members hands. Since HPOCA is an association made up of members, and not a magazine to subscribe to, we pay dues, not subscribe, it is my opinion, that dealings with McMillian is the responibility of the Membership committee.\r\n In the past the editor has had a travel allowance, was this not included in your contract, if not, this should be addressed, I believe we have money for this. It is important to give coverage to events. One of the most memorable articles I can recall was one Sherry wrote, about the California Cletrac Oliver Club\'s Summer Show at Luke Rizzuto\'s farm. You may want to look that up, I can\'t remember for sure, but I think it was some time before Le Seuer. I was there, of course in those days money was tight. Luke put Sherry up in his house, and gave me a place to park my rolling motel room. We have good members, they are generous. It is important to give a personal touch to our magazine, and there is no better way to achieve this than personal contact between the editor and the members. If you look up the article I have mentioned, you will understand! There is no bias, the way the show was, is the way the article was written! There are 6 issues a year, 2 should cover HPOCA events, the other 4, I would like to see 1 or more chapter events, 1 would be sufficient, and it could be for any chapter event. Such as printing a summer event in the winter, but HPOCA support of chapters is important, with all the chapters do to make our events successful! It is a one hand washes the other thing! It is good to know that I am not the only one who is a member of many chapters!!!\r\n Lack of space;\r\nChris, your ability to crunch numbers is very impressive! Perhaps, you can crunch the numbers on advertising costs, vs. revenue generated by these ads. You can take the total cost of getting the magazine into the members hands, then divide that by the number of pages, then take that figure and break it down to the size of ad, or percentage of page. If these ads generate revenue in excess of costs, it would be beneficial to add another block of pages. Of course that will increase printing and mailing costs, but if the ads offset these costs, it is a benefit to our members. Ads are a good way to give resources to our members, we can often find the material needed to work on our projects thru ads. I don\'t know if a survey has ever been done to determine if ads carry their own weight or not, but with the varying costs, this should be looked at, I think it has been a ballpark figure, but, it can be firmed up. By doing this, it gives a rock solid basis for improvement. But, it is my opinion that ads should not be the basis of a publication, articles should be the meat and potatoes issue.\r\n I hope these suggestions help you!\r\n\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'oQ==','13mt3w4i',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3351,780,6,238,0,'64.12.116.143',1085104932,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I agree with your questions, and have asked them before. Never got any replys either.\r\nI\'ve seen old pictures of HP 70\'s with what looked like silver grills and the orange stripe and front, and other pictures that look like there was no orange stripe or front. The same goes for styled 70\'s. \r\nIf Oliver changed the design, why dosen\'t anyone know about it?\r\nGood luck in your search, if I ever find anything out, I\'ll sure post it.\r\nLarry Coltrin','',0,'oQ==','3slrhmoq',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3352,780,6,613,0,'199.199.226.42',1085146442,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I did find one web site that the orange should be persian orange.  When I start painting mine,  I think the letters and 70, the rims will be white and the strip and grill will be orange.  Dont no for sure on the colors though I am always tring to find some colored pictures.\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'oQ==','3979i87d',1,0,'',613,0,0),(3354,783,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085248454,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: Hey Danny,','I would have to get a copy of HPO Foundation bylaws to answer your question correctly. As I remember, and this may or may not be accurate, the HPOCA board of directors appoint the trustees of the foundation, or something like that, the terms run for a different length of time than HPOCA positions. This was done on the expectation that the members would approve elected board members for HPOCA, and was designed where influence peddling would not be possible, at least that is how I understand it. --quote Andy \r\n\r\n\r\n          Mr. Terry Allen, president of both HPOCA and the HPO foundation. I realize Andy is not the proper authority to answer my questions. YOU ARE!!! and so this post is for you!\r\n                \r\n             If Andy is correct, the by-laws for the HPO foundation have been established and approved on the bases that the new HPOCA by-laws will be approved? Isn\'t this undermining the current HPOCA bylaws? \r\n\r\n              What happens if the new HPOCA by-laws aren\'t approved? or is this a way to jam the new by-laws down members throats?   The new by-laws have to be approved because the HPO by-laws are based on them!!!  That isn\'t right...IS IT!?!!??\r\n\r\n             Mr. Allen, president of both HPOCA and the HPO foundation, I was told in the beginning that you and your colleagues didn\'t care if HPOCA was destroyed by your decisions in November.  I didn\'t believe that to be true but now I have to wonder. \r\n\r\n        Was this HPO foundation just established to give you and your colleagues a shelter to run to and leave HPOCA to crumble?  Why was the HPO Foundation established while HPOCA is in such turmoil? I understand why members voted to approve the foundation.  They wished to show they were interested in the advancement and growth of HPOCA.   However I was told after my previous post. That at the winter meeting members didn\'t vote on approving the Foundation but they voted to approve the HPOCA board to look further into establishing such a foundation. My memory is short on such details but if this is true....I JUST DON\'T KNOW!!!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nOliver Renegade','',0,'oQ==','2i7j54g6',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3355,783,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085249610,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Just had a thought. Indeed the HPO was approved because the membership approved HPOCA money to go into it. So that ends that confusion. Mr. Allen, president of both HPOCA and the HPO foundation will have to end any other confusion.\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nThis Oliver Renegade would like to see the by-laws for this Foundation and a few answers would be greatly appreciated!!!    How \'bout you?','',0,'oQ==','31pwiwzv',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3356,787,3,116,0,'66.71.220.239',1085268653,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','magazine review','Hello Chris,\r\n  Just a few comments about the latest issue. Mine arrived on time was quite pleased about that. I was disappointed with the content, didn\'t seem like there was much in there this time. \r\n   You made a comment in a post here that it is not the editors job to write the whole magazine. In that you are correct, but it would be nice to have you write something for it. I think what it is lacking is personality, Sherry usually had at least one article in every issue written by herself sometimes more. That added character to the content.\r\n    As far as Andy\'s comments about more coverage of chapter events, most chapters have a newsletter editor. If they would like coverage in magazine they could send in a report on their events and some pictures, I\'m sure you would make room for it.\r\n     Speaking of room, was disappointed to find out you dropped 2 articles for add space. I realize adds are what pay the bills. What are the costs of increasing pages? \r\n                                     Thanks for listening,\r\n                                                           Todd Kline\r\n                                                                #8000','',0,'oQ==','1bhqvszh',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3357,783,3,47,0,'65.238.36.32',1085277867,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Danny,','I believe you could get probably a copy from \'Sparky\' Duroe. That is the direction I would go. His E-mail is in the magazine, on the directory page. I don\'t think you will find anything that is not normal, but, heck, look and see! Let me know if you find something out of order, I\'d like to know. Well, tomorrow it is back to work again, but ya\' gotta do something to get money for more of those big boy toys!\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'oQ==','2vhshpb7',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3358,788,1,381,0,'206.176.206.16',1085277979,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Paint Color Question ... 1964 Oliver 550','While the major parts were a specific green color, was the contrasting color White or something called \"Clover White\"? Is this color available through TISCO? I did get the Martin-Senour green at NAPA and ... geez, was it expensive! I think I can get by with something a little cheaper for the rims!  Any suggestion for TISCO, i.e. paint code number?\r\n\r\nthanks ... Kerry Brunner AKA <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:nailcreek@hotmail.com\">nailcreek@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'oQ==','loub2foh',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3359,783,3,47,0,'65.238.36.32',1085280347,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Danny,','I just went back and read your post, perhaps I did not explain myself sufficiently, if you read something into what I wrote that wasn\'t there. I used the word \'expectation\', with all the comment about electing directors, it would be logical to feel this would have an effect on such protocol. What I did not explain is regardless of outcome of the HPOCA bylaws, this would have little or no effect on these staggered terms, as the proposed terms for directors will be running the same in length as all other elected HPOCA positions. So, that would be a moot argument. As far as cramming a new bylaws down the members throat, from my perspective, nothing could be more rediculous. I don\'t care, make it to the ballot or not, pass or fail, any way it goes gets me off the hook. If it doesn\'t make it to the ballot, the committee will expire Dec. 31, with all other Ad hoc committees, and I will not take it up again. Perhaps you will get lucky, someone will be appointed who believes in the status quo, and will simply change the address, operating at the approval of the board. Then you will only see any input on the ballot. Or if it passes at Madison to go on the ballot, it either passes of fails, I have a one vote input on that, the members would make that decision if it goes that far. Either way the committee would be disolved, and I am out of it.\r\nThe vast majority of what I have gotten from this forum is criticism, and I have went out of my way to give the members options that have never benn available before. All I have gotten in return is to be hung out to dry! You want Rome to be built for you, and you want it today! I doubt that has ever been possible. You are correct the person to contact about issues concerning HPO foundation is President Allen, he has E-mail, it is in the magazine, if he is turning his computer on. Which brings up a valid point, I kept my computer unplugged for nearly a month, it was very peaceful around here, and I got lots of things done. I\'m going to close this website out, turn my computer off, and unplug it for another month. I can see why many members don\'t own one of these things.\r\nTake Care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'oQ==','3mamjyw4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3360,783,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085322385,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','When you, Andy, so quickly chose sides and voiced your opinion on the Sherry issue. That is when members lost respect for you. As by-laws committee chairperson you should have never aired an opinion publicly. You certainly are entitled to an opinion but w/ the position you held. General membership should have never known it!  Not only that but you certainly did a little bashing of your own and many members felt and still feel that their suggestions were never taken seriously. But hey thats history and thats fine.\r\n\r\n           You wouldn\'t believe how full my email is these days Andy. Why it started with just  small notes to and fro....\"lets start a new club\"   At first we figured on just keeping the new club in the east but it seems a few out west likes the idea and alot of good suggestions are being shared on what people would like to see in a new club. \r\n\r\n Its really a shame Andy you based  the merit of members suggestions for your by-laws committee on what that members opinion was with the Nov. fiasko.  I personally believe YOU could have made the difference in HPOCA but there again I have already discussed that in my 1st paragragh.\r\n\r\n                        I will not email Mr. Duroe or Mr. Allen. I have thought about it but see no sense in it.  I would like to see the new HPO by-laws in the next magazine.  These last posts were last ditch efforts in maybe opening up communication with the president of HPOCA, especially, but we\'d settle for the Pres. of HPO!  One of the suggestions for the new club is that the president of it should be available  to answer questions publicly. Best place to do so is on an internet forum. Oh well, I suppose Terry Allen is much to busy with the HPO to bother with HPOCA.\r\n                 You know what, at first I had my doubts about a second Oliver club but i think maybe it\'ll be alright.\r\n                      \r\n            While I do realize Mr. Allen has an email. I should hope he realizes i have a PM box!!!\r\n\r\nWell enjoy your time w/ you computer turned off\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nOliver Renegade','',0,'oQ==','2xst5v11',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3361,787,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.220',1085364244,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Todd,\r\n\r\nWe too are much happier about delivery time  for this issue. Not all have gotten theirs yet, but it is much better than the previous 2 issues.\r\n\r\nI\'m guessing a lot of people have overlooked it, but I wrote the article about the winter get-together.  I am also currently working on an article about the 770, since it is the feature tractor at the summer show.\r\n\r\nAs to chapter events, I plan on attending a few, but with 17 chapters, each having around 2 events a year, that makes for a lot of travel. I\'m expecting an article from the California Cletrac collectors, hopefully we\'ll get it in time to put it in this issue.\r\n\r\nWe didn\'t like having to pull the 2 articles. We squeezed a couple of articles down, cut the Oliver Gang\'s ad in half (sorry guys) and a few other changes, just to get the tech article in. We plan on using the 2 pulled articles in the next issue.\r\n\r\nWe don\'t have quotes for prices for additional pages as of yet.  Sorry about that, but we are working on it.','',0,'oQ==','2ktjbv15',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3363,783,3,10611,0,'216.93.70.220',1085366513,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:3oatnpg3]So Chris, are you trying to tell us that in the time since you started as editor that you only got one letter about Sherry\'s firing? I find that hard, if not impossible to believe.[/quote:3oatnpg3]\r\n\r\nDoug,\r\n\r\nFirst, sorry about the slow reply. We\'ve had many storms come through, and with the lights blinking, I have left the computer off for a couple of days.\r\n\r\nAfter re-reading my post, I need to clarify. When I mention that we had gotten a couple of letters that were bad, this included letters about Sherry\'s termination. A couple requested not to be printed, one was passed to us by another person, not the original author, and a couple were close to unreadable (some of the members are older, with shaky handwriting). On a subject as sensitive as this, I want to be sure we have our ducks all in a row. The latest one we got is the first one I feel that we can print, but by no means the first one we have received. \r\n\r\nI don\'t want to see the magazine turn to nothing but ads, that\'s why we are looking into solutions. The first one would be adding more pages, but we aren\'t going to do this without finding out what it costs first.\r\nAnd you probably think like I and many others do, \"We have seen this advertiser before.\" But I talked to a gentleman from Wisconsin on Friday who wants to join. He had never heard of the HPOCA, and a friend showed him a copy of the magazine, and he said one of the things he was most impressed with was the auction and show ads. The point is that some people want the ads as much as the articles.\r\n\r\nAs Andy is fond of saying, Rome wasn\'t built in a day.','',0,'gA==','3oatnpg3',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3364,710,3,40,0,'64.12.116.143',1085368377,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','More By-Laws, HPO','Okay, I read about HPO in the new magazine.  Sounds like it is off the ground and starting to function.  Now I have a few questions.\r\n\r\nIs the HPO going to have its own website?\r\n\r\nCan somebody post the HPO by-laws?\r\n\r\nDo foundations have members?  If not, what are their sources of income?  I would suppose it would be from donations, grants, admissions charges after a museum is built etc.\r\n\r\nIs the foundation considering hiring a professional person to handle the efforts to build a museum? \r\n\r\nI hope somebody who knows what is going on will post a reply.','',0,'gA==','2x8fa1mz',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3365,752,5,40,0,'205.188.116.72',1085402043,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nYour suggestions took care of the problems.  Thanks alot.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','nlly4btv',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3366,783,3,259,0,'65.43.7.169',1085423115,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[quote=&quot;admin&quot;:2mjij0sc][quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:2mjij0sc]So Chris, are you trying to tell us that in the time since you started as editor that you only got one letter about Sherry\'s firing? I find that hard, if not impossible to believe.[/quote:2mjij0sc]\n\nDoug,\n\nFirst, sorry about the slow reply. We\'ve had many storms come through, and with the lights blinking, I have left the computer off for a couple of days.\n\nAfter re-reading my post, I need to clarify. When I mention that we had gotten a couple of letters that were bad, this included letters about Sherry\'s termination. A couple requested not to be printed, one was passed to us by another person, not the original author, and a couple were close to unreadable (some of the members are older, with shaky handwriting). On a subject as sensitive as this, I want to be sure we have our ducks all in a row. The latest one we got is the first one I feel that we can print, but by no means the first one we have received. \n\nI don\'t want to see the magazine turn to nothing but ads, that\'s why we are looking into solutions. The first one would be adding more pages, but we aren\'t going to do this without finding out what it costs first.\nAnd you probably think like I and many others do, \"We have seen this advertiser before.\" But I talked to a gentleman from Wisconsin on Friday who wants to join. He had never heard of the HPOCA, and a friend showed him a copy of the magazine, and he said one of the things he was most impressed with was the auction and show ads. The point is that some people want the ads as much as the articles.\n\nAs Andy is fond of saying, Rome wasn\'t built in a day.[/quote:2mjij0sc]\r\n\r\nSorry...I have to add this...\"As Andy is fond of saying, Rome wasn\'t built in a day.\" &gt;Neither was the Titanic','',0,'gA==','2mjij0sc',1,0,'',259,0,0),(3367,783,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085433360,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','....Titanic....this is true. more sad then funny but still true!!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nOliver renegade\r\nsinkin feelin!','',0,'gA==','1213jem9',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3368,783,3,259,0,'65.43.7.169',1085435125,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris and everyone...\r\nI want to apologize for the last comment...I had no mean intention on writing it. <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->\r\n\r\n...taking the shoe out of my mouth.\r\n\r\nOliverEd','',0,'gA==','48gob36s',1,0,'',259,0,0),(3369,783,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1085443323,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[quote=&quot;OliverEducation&quot;:xxbmurz4]Chris and everyone...\nI want to apologize for the last comment...I had no mean intention on writing it. <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->\n\n...taking the shoe out of my mouth.\n\nOliverEd[/quote:xxbmurz4]\r\n\r\n\r\nNo mean intention was taken, certainly not by this reader.  \r\n\r\nOliver Renegade Ed','',0,'gA==','xxbmurz4',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3370,787,3,116,0,'66.71.220.119',1085448524,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','thanks for the reply Chris, things will come together eventually. keep at it, and good luck.\r\n     Todd Kline','',0,'gA==','3cgiushr',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3372,783,3,88,0,'4.155.69.116',1085482359,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,,,,,Thanks for the answer, but a far as the ads versus articles situation I still don\'t see why it\'s even a question. If there is a limit on \r\nspace for articles, there should also be a limit on ad space. You have a limited number of pages to fill, and I firmly believe articles should not \r\nleft out in favor of selling ad space. Filling the magazine with ads is NOT what the membership wants. I believe you mentioned earlier that the idea of adding more pages won\'t happen for some time, so what will the policy be for future editions? I know ads are useful, and I definitely look at many myself, but articles about Oliver and related equipment IS the focus of this magazine, I hope we don\'t get away from that principle.','',0,'gA==','3ffnywd5',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3373,789,3,88,0,'4.155.69.116',1085482584,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Where is Terry Allen???????????','I have noticed a few questions have been directed at Terry Allen. I also noticed he has not posted any answers. Just wondring where he is,, and why he isn\'t responding to the questions. Poor ol Andy has been typing his fingers off trying to answer things that really should be answered by our President.','',0,'gA==','3jgqq0fp',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3374,783,3,40,0,'205.188.116.143',1085483553,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nI agree with Doug.  I know ads are good and keep costs down for the members, but I like to read about Olivers.  I\'d rather you skipped the historical highlights (although they are interesting) if you have an interesting article that could be included.\r\n\r\nI guess more pages is the ultimate answer.  Do you have to pay for the maximum number of pages, e.g. 55 even if you only have material to fill 50?\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','2hr7pwkr',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3375,756,5,40,0,'205.188.116.143',1085483773,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nIs there any way to make the spell checker learn (add) words that are not in its dictionary?','',0,'gA==','yydes17o',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3376,783,3,12,0,'69.128.202.242',1085488237,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Good idea Bill,','That sounds like a possible solution. I too enjoy the historical highlights, but if they were not in every issue that would be OK also. I appreciate Larry Gay\'s work and have purchased a couple of his books. \r\n\r\n   Your type of \"constructive criticism\" is what is needed, not the continual complaining with no ideas on how to make things better. WB.','',0,'gA==','30ufdxwm',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3377,783,3,88,0,'4.155.69.252',1085492825,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I also would have preferred to see another article rather than have 2 pages used up for the financial report. I seriously doubt that many people even read it. To me, that looks like a use of \"filler material\"','',0,'gA==','181g0k2f',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3378,789,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085505828,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I believe Mr. Allen is much to busy to fool with the HPOCA forum or the members for that matter. Being president of TWO big dollar$$$ business type organizations must be very hectic! I am very certain he is making presidential type decisions that he believes will be for the good of all HPOCA members.      Allow your mind to rest at ease!!!!  <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? --> <!-- s:arrow: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_arrow.gif\" alt=\":arrow:\" title=\"Arrow\" /><!-- s:arrow: -->  <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: -->','',0,'gA==','2lfghren',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3379,787,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085507106,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris, when did you start working with Driveline Publications on adding pages to the magazine? It shouldn\'t be to difficult to get a quote from them. I\'m fairly certain this is something they do on a daily basis and it probably wouldn\'t take but a day or two to get a quote from them. \r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nbetcha he\'s wonnadem renergades','',0,'gA==','1cobmkzw',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3380,783,3,360,0,'198.77.42.244',1085528723,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','If I read the financial report right I don\'t have it in front of me there is over 200,000 in the bank so I think that we could add a few more pages and the financial report needs to be in here so there is some accountability.','',0,'gA==','2agyo0ju',1,0,'',360,0,0),(3382,783,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.161',1085537315,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I figured if anything, everybody would want to see a smaller editor\'s column <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: --> than remove the historical highlights. I have always found Larry Gay\'s column to be one of the most informative parts of the magazine.   \r\n\r\nThere wasn\'t much choice on our part with the financial report, but we did squeeze it down to take up less space.\r\n\r\nEverything is set up for a 56 page (including the covers) magazine. Driveline publications has control over printing, so we have to get with them to change the amount of pages. I\'m sure that their contract with the HPOCA would have to be revised to cover additional pages.\r\n\r\nSo far it is looking like the next issue will have fewer commercial ads. We aren\'t pursing new advertisers at this time, but obviously aren\'t going to reject any that call. The 2 articles that got pulled from the May/June issue will be in the July/August issue. I just finished my article about the 770, and have a tech article to take some pictures for.\r\n\r\nI do appreciate everybody\'s comments, negative or positive, at least when they are presented in a respectable way.','',0,'gA==','204efb9d',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3383,787,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.161',1085538460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Danny,\r\n\r\nWe discussed adding more pages with Driveline back in late February, after we had proofed the March/April issue. At that time we could see the need for more pages in the near future. We didn\'t ask for specific quotes at the time, because we wanted a couple more issues under our belts before we went and added more pages. Driveline is aware of our situation, and we will be getting with them to discuss the most cost efficient way to go about this. But they will need time to get prices from the printer, and figure out what they need to add for their end of it. And I am not privy to the details of their contract with the HPOCA, so we could be locked in on the number of pages until the end of the year for all I know. \r\n\r\nSo to get to the skinny of it, Driveline doesn\'t seem to be opposed to it, and neither are we, but we need to do some figuring before we jump into anything.','',0,'gA==','1bu5xvsl',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3384,756,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.161',1085538805,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Sorry, but there isn\'t. The spell checker is hosted on another site ( hence the ad banner) , so I don\'t have control over it.\r\n\r\nI am looking for a spell checker that can be hosted on the HPOCA web site, but for now, it looks like this one will have to do.','',0,'gA==','21ipn3y2',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3385,756,5,40,0,'205.188.116.143',1085570018,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nThanks for the answer.  Too bad it won\'t add words, but it is a whole lot better than nothing!!\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','2qtryero',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3386,787,3,88,0,'4.155.69.170',1085573577,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris, If you do not know the details of the contract with Driveline, who does? I would asssume Terry Allen would, he being president, etc. So, why does he not respond to anyones questions? I am sure you are in contact with him, are you not?','',0,'gA==','1iv8vmgk',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3387,790,6,597,0,'161.184.198.76',1085585078,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','stuck clutch assembly','working on a cockshutt 80.the pressure plate is stuck on the clutch disc and the clutch disc is stuck on the flywheel.any ideas on how to seperate them without destroying the clutch disc and the pressure plate?i do know brute force will work but i am looking for a better way','',0,'gA==','1dcygdiv',1,0,'',597,0,0),(3388,99,5,597,0,'161.184.198.76',1085585990,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','membership form +','on the matter of the membership form,you answered my question before i asked it.the other thing is,do we have a branch in Alberta,CA?','',0,'gA==','1je8ssyd',1,0,'',597,0,0),(3389,787,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085599351,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\n       What excactly is Driveline, by your response I assume they play the part of a broker. More or less.  Is that correct? If so, is it possible for HPOCA to do their own brokering. I mean negotiate prices with printers? publishers. If so HPOCA could get better prices. However as I have learned with my truck insurance...sometimes the savings aint worth the headache!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nA very ill renegade today uuuuhhhhggg!!!! <!-- s:mrgreen: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mrgreen.gif\" alt=\":mrgreen:\" title=\"Mr. Green\" /><!-- s:mrgreen: --> this is me w/o the smile.\r\n\r\nfunny side----do you think we can have a \'WHERE\'s WALDO\' page? but maybe we can call it \'WHERE\'S TERRY\'     Could be a big hit!!!','',0,'gA==','2pnw29cl',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3390,787,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1085622539,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Terry Allen Where Are You??','The plain fact is this, Mr.  Terry Allen is either:\r\n1.   too busy\r\n2.  Too scared \r\n3.  Hiding something \r\n\r\nHe, as President of the club, needs to come out of his shell and answer to the membership.  If he does not respond to our questions within 5 days from 05/27/2004, 1200 hours EDT, I propose that the membership look into impeachment proceedings.  If Mr.  Allen is too busy to answer our questions, he is obviously too busy to be an effective President of the organization.\r\n\r\nThank you for the bandwidth\r\n\r\nEdward Tabor\r\nOliver Renegade','',0,'gA==','10pntxna',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3391,787,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.203',1085629031,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:3awpn0h1]Chris,\n       What excactly is Driveline, by your response I assume they play the part of a broker. More or less.  Is that correct? If so, is it possible for HPOCA to do their own brokering. I mean negotiate prices with printers? publishers. If so HPOCA could get better prices. However as I have learned with my truck insurance...sometimes the savings aint worth the headache!\n\nDanny Tabor #747\n[/quote:3awpn0h1]\r\n\r\nDanny,\r\n\r\nDriveline Publications is not a broker. They technically aren\'t the publisher, that\'s the HPOCA. Here\'s how everything happens.\r\n\r\nWe get material here at our place. We decide what is going in, type everything up, scan any images that we want in the articles, prepare any ads that need it, and then email everything to Jason at Driveline Publications. From there, Jason does the layout for the articles ( he does make us look good!!), works up any ads that need it, and then arranges the whole thing into the magazine. He then emails us proofs, we check them out, let him know of any corrections, and after that, it is sent to the printer. Driveline Publications works with McMillen to get the addresses for the labels, and handles the details from there. Driveline wanted control of printing, so they could keep a good handle on costs and quality.\r\n\r\nJason and everybody at Driveline Publications have been great to work with. We know what they need of us, and they are very responsive to whatever we have asked of them.','',0,'gA==','3awpn0h1',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3392,791,3,617,0,'165.247.200.157',1085629093,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','HPOCA Governing Board','May 26, 2004\r\n\r\nHello,\r\n\r\nMy name is Luke Rizzuto, charter member of the California Oliver Cletrac Club. I was very fortunate to be involved with the Hart Parr #3 dedication in July of 2003. I arrived in Greenville, Illinois 5 days early, welcomed by Ollie &amp; Sherry Schaefer. They invited me to help with last-minute details still needing to be completed 2 days prior to the weekend dedication. \r\n\r\nAfter picking up HPOCA board member Landis Zimmerman in Pennsylvania, he joined me in a convoy of 10 vehicles heading to Penfield for the big weekend. I felt honored to be involved in such a historic event, having the rare opportunity to witness the arrival of the oldest gas-powered tractor.\r\n\r\nAlthough other HPOCA board members were in attendance, I got the uneasy feeling that they were disturbed about something. They seemed standoffish and unwilling to interact with those who had worked so hard to prepare the Hart Parr #3 for the honored occasion. In spite of this, we all enjoyed the festivities.\r\n\r\nPuzzled as to the source of the Board?s behavior, some calls were made to key members. I gathered from my conversations with both them and some other club members, that the elected Board was disgruntled with issues surrounding the preservation of the Hart Parr #3 tractor. This was only the beginning of things to come.\r\n\r\nWanting to better understand the source of their displeasure, I decided to look further into the matter. I was puzzled as to why they would be upset about the Smithsonian?s choice of Ollie Schaefer to perform the much-needed preservation. He went through the required process, winning the bid fair and square, yet some unfairly accused him of overcharging. How anyone who saw his invoice for expenses incurred in the course of the process, could claim he gouged anyone is beyond me. \r\n\r\nBased on that, and the actions stated below, I strongly feel that we, as members of the HPOCA, should demand the resignation of the elected board members on several grounds.\r\n\r\n1) Entering into a contract on false pretenses.\r\nDuring the Penfield meeting, the board voted to renew the HPOCA Magazine Editor?s contract and publicly stated so. Less publicly, a witness overheard the board president say that it would be renewed now and broken in 3 months. Sure enough, at a meeting 3 months later?a meeting with very few members present?they broke their contract with the editor, in spite of several favorable comments on her performace. She was given no warning, no recourse, no probationary period, no opportunity to appeal. My stand is that a decision this important should have been made with some forethought. I submit that this decision was of a vindictive nature. Additionally, when the new editor?s first issue of the HPOCA magazine was published, the Board President?s message was blatantly lacking any expression of appreciation for the previous editor?s 12 years of loyal and dedicated service, nor has any such message been forthcoming in any consequent issues. \r\n\r\n2) Board violation of fiduciary duty.\r\nUnequal treatment of board appointees. One particular member who had a dissent vote with regards to the Board?s decision to dismiss the Cletrac Magazine?s Editor, was never given the opportunity to discuss the Board?s actions, nor state his objections. It appears that he was intentionally kept in the dark on this matter until the actual day of editor?s dismissal.\r\n\r\n3) Failing to adequately promote the events surrounding the preservation of the Hart Parr #3.\r\nBy failing to put sufficient PR resources toward the promotion of these events, the Board is ignored potential income for the club. Their shortsightedness in not taking advantage of this ideal opportunity, could well result in decreased membership.\r\n\r\n4) Unfair treatment of the Schaefer family and spreading of false information against them. \r\nThe Schaefer invoice, Smithsonian-approved and published in the HPOCA National Magazine, clearly eliminates any doubt that he overcharged for his services. \r\n\r\nIn addition, I feel the way the Board revoked the Toy Tractor Replica distribution from Landis Zimmerman, was definitely suspect. They only made this decision once he resigned from the Board in protest to having his dissent vote ignored.\r\n\r\nDo we really need a Board that reacts with spite and deception? Join me in demanding the resignation of the elected Board. We can set up one representative from each Chapter to create an interim  Board and hold a special election in September 04 , to replace the existing one. Please let?s not let this current Board contribute toward the destruction of our Club.\r\n\r\nThank you for your consideration,\r\nLuke Rizzuto, Jr.\r\n408.590.2946','',0,'gA==','3o8z3pxl',1,0,'',617,0,0),(3393,791,3,465,0,'204.32.114.7',1085663575,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Luke,\r\n  BRAVO!!!\r\n  Several of us have been asking for them to step down for months. \r\n\r\nKeith M.','',0,'gA==','2xfzscbv',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3394,791,3,88,0,'4.155.93.18',1085665060,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Luke, I am very pleased that you came forward with this information and made it available to us. I have been following this sitution and know that the treatment of the Schaefers has been totally unfair. The president has been totally non responsive to questions raised my the membership. He has had many opportunities to explain this matter, but has chosen to give us nothing but stall tactics and hope we all forget. I\'m sure many members have had their fill of Terry Allen and his board. It is definitely time for changes to occur.','',0,'gA==','2j7oduaz',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3395,791,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085689734,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Luke,\r\n    I agree, it is time for a change and a restructuring of the entire club. So this cannot happen again! \r\n       \r\n          I like the idea of chapters filling the board positions and would like to run a few ideas over to you. Your post maybe what revitalizes the concerned members that Jim Kline so generously gave the name, Renegades!\r\n\r\n   It seems my optimism for this club is rapidly turning to pessimism. As Doug has said, for months members have asked the pres. for an explanation. It seems only to be a waste of breath. Now the pres. isn\'t anywhere to be found. \r\nI suppose, all the happenings at the winter convention had opened my eyes to how this clubs leaders behave. \r\n\r\nAlso the by-laws protect these men and their positions. I will have Article IV section F --Removal of an officer ---at the bottom of this post for all to read.\r\n\r\nI think its fairly safe to discuss the dismissal of the HPOCA leaders on this forum. As it seems none of them use it anyway!  \r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nRenegade\r\n\r\nArticle IV\r\nF. Removal of an Officer. Officers may be removed for neglect or incompetence by a three-forths (3/4) vote of the attending members at a special or annual meeting, providing that notice was given by mail to all members at their respective addresses not less than thirty(30) days prior to the meeting.\r\n\r\nWhile it should be allowed. I\'m certain they won\'t allow the notice to be distributed through the magazine!','',0,'gA==','27jqqrhl',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3396,787,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085693125,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks Chris,\r\n         I have a better understanding on how it all works.   Danny','',0,'gA==','2d09erz0',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3397,791,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1085704192,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Luke, You are a good breeze in this Stuffy club','Luke,\r\n     You have many good ideas and insights.  As my younger brother Danny has said, we have been trying to question the president for months.  He has gone underground.  I call for impeachment.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'gA==','2wwydipe',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3398,787,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085768664,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\n    I was wondering if Driveline knows they are not the publisher. It seems there\'s a misprint in the magazine. In the fine print on page 3. It states --\r\n---Published for the HPOCA, by Driveline Publishing---\r\n\r\n\r\n \r\n \r\nThis could pose to be a problem if relations go sour between HPOCA and Driveline!!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'Ag==','bdvdhc7v',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3399,790,6,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1085791312,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','stuck clutch','Get a pump spray bottle and some Turpentine (wood sap distillate product) and spray stuck surfaces as well as movable fingers and pins.\r\nWith a mallet or LIGHT hammer tap to set vibrations through assembly. Keep at it twice daily and you should find the turpentine penetrating and \"dissolving\" the oxidation until stuff can be gently pried loose.  You need to be patient and let the chemical reaction work.  It did not rust together over night and the reversal will take time also.','',0,'Ag==','2zspo062',1,0,'',590,0,0),(3400,566,2,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1085792743,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','Hart-Parr/Oliver','Hart-Parr Tractor Works, Oliver Chilled Plow works, Nichols &amp; Shepard (threshing machinery) and the American Seeding Company (Superior Grain Drills) were merged into the Oliver Farm Machinery Equipment Company in 1928 or 29 to form a company which would be a one stop source for farm equipment as Deere and McCormick-Deering (International Harvester Corp.) had become single source competition across the spectrum of having power, tillage, harvesting, and planting equipment at a single dealer serving the farmer. Your Cockshutt/Hart-Parr tractors would have been contracted by Cockshutt from Hart-Parr prior to the merger of the companies and have the company names.  After the merger they used OLIVER with Hart-Parr underneath until the mid 1930\'s as they blended the names which were known to gain cross acceptance of their products. In 1944 the Oliver Corporation was organized and most of the old names completely dropped.','',0,'Ag==','28w4pobh',1,0,'',590,0,0),(3401,791,3,116,0,'66.71.221.109',1085799532,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','If this is what you guys want to do you better start to get your ducks lined up. The summer meeting is coming fast, you need to notify all members not less than 30 days before. Someone needs to draft a letter to members, if you don\'t think Chris will print it the mag, they will need to be mailed (6000 letters x .37 postage = $2220 ). That doesn\'t take into account foreign postage will be more.\r\n\r\nYou must also have some form leadership to take over. An organization without leadership is destine to fail, but maybe that is what you want. Any leadership even if it\'s poor is better than none at all\r\n\r\nNext you must be willing &amp; able to get to the meeting, wouldn\'t look good to call for the boards resignation then not show up at the dance.\r\n\r\nAll I\'ve heard so far is alot of talk. Know one has stepped up to the plate to hit the ball yet. You guys might want to reconsider your thoughts on this matter. The removal of the entire board will set this organization back to 1990 when it was first started, if it doesn\'t ruin it completely\r\n\r\n                                                                 Todd Kline','',0,'Ag==','3fnlsnyk',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3402,783,3,110,0,'64.12.116.143',1085804139,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[quote=&quot;OLIVERFAN&quot;:2gi51hzi]bill---an easy way out of what???---first of all, i am not comenting on the club,the magazine,or the board--i am comenting on the cry babies, the whinners, and the bad apples in the barrel that keep on &amp; on complaining about everything, IE the club, the magazine, the board, and most importantly the new editor---SHERRY IS NOT COMING BACK! so let\'s support our new editor--let\'s change our attitudes now and move ahead in a positive manner--why not stop all the negative comments and actions now for the sake of a great organization!!![/quote:2gi51hzi]                                                                                               Gotta love it when the nameless <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: --> faceless call others cry babies, whinners and bad apples. Dont really care what your sudden take on all this is, whoever you are, but i would like to correct you on one huge mistake you made. Since you yelled and used block letters so will i. SHERRY IS BACK. And she is back without the burden of manipulators and power hungry control people who care less about membership, other than their money that is. Free of all that, she is now set for life to supply the REAL oliverfan with a great magazine.Have a nice day!!!!                                                                                                     Chris, i got my magazine on time this issue and enjoyed it. Great job!!!! Bob Cook #2057','',0,'gA==','2gi51hzi',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3403,752,5,465,0,'206.216.202.250',1085828775,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\n The old format you could check when the last time someone logged on. Any chance of bringing it over to this format?','',0,'gA==','2aqbh0bt',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3404,790,6,597,0,'161.184.202.109',1085851847,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','stuck clutch assembly','I know that iodine works well on everything from rusted bolts to hydraulic brake lines,to get them unstuck.I wasn\'t aware turpentine would do the same thing.The one thing I am hoping is that the clutch disc isn\'t destroyed in the process.I would imagine that one would be almost impossible to find.','',0,'gA==','1kbhqlz9',1,0,'',597,0,0),(3405,792,1,381,0,'206.176.222.122',1085888039,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 550 Parts ... the quest continues','Why is it that I feel like I\'m on some endless journey here?  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: --> \r\n\r\nLooking for a complete and internally inspected Steering Box Assembly for a 1964 gas 550 without power steering.  I did order one, but when it was taken apart, the sector shafts were broken (seems like a very common fault with the 550).  Got my money back, needless to say.\r\n\r\nAnyway ... can anyone help?  I need the complete assembly, mine is cracked and the sectors broken.\r\n\r\nThanks!','',0,'gA==','1rdgy2dq',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3406,787,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.146',1085969885,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Danny,\r\n\r\nDriveline is well aware they are not the publisher. They are a custom publisher.\r\n\r\nLook at it this way. If you own a field and a bunch of seed corn, but don\'t own a planter, you can hire a custom operator to plant that field. He doesn\'t get the field, or the corn, but he does get paid for the services rendered. Chances are both of you would call yourselves farmers, although only one gets the crop, and only one gets to drive the tractor.\r\n\r\nIn this scenario, the HPOCA is the landowner, (the magazine), and owns the seed (the material in the magazine, that\'s why members have photocopy rights, since each one is part owner). We\'re just hiring someone to get the planting done. \r\n\r\nThink of us (the editors) as the seed salesman.\r\n\r\nHope this clarifies it for you.  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','3lsz7gdg',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3407,752,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.146',1085970638,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','[quote=&quot;Keith M.&quot;:t0iesyki]Chris,\n The old format you could check when the last time someone logged on. Any chance of bringing it over to this format?[/quote:t0iesyki]\r\n\r\nKeith,\r\n\r\nI\'m looking into it, but so far no luck. I miss that feature as well.\r\n\r\nI\'ll keep on it though.','',0,'gA==','t0iesyki',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3408,787,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1085971206,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Okay Chris,\r\n       I understand now. Thank you for puttin\' it in farmer terms!\r\n\r\nI think I\'ll be on the tractor  <!-- s8) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\"8)\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s8) --> \r\n\r\nSeed salesman?....don\'t talk so poorly \'bout yourself.\r\n\r\n <!-- s:idea: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_idea.gif\" alt=\":idea:\" title=\"Idea\" /><!-- s:idea: --> Say your pretty good at  \'splaining stuff. Wanna be president of this here outfit!\r\n\r\nThanks again\r\nDanny #747','',0,'gA==','iyi0b5er',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3409,793,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.146',1085971793,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','HPOCA member on TV','If you get RFD TV, you might want to tune in, and/or set the VCR for 11 am EDT, May 31, 2004. They will be having a program on the tractor show in Tulare, California. And there is even an interview with Bill Bechthold while he is driving one of his Cletracs.\r\n\r\n It\'s about 20 minutes into the show if memory serves, and they talk to Bill for a minute or two. Be sure to check it out.','',0,'gA==','3qhci3ko',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3410,794,1,381,0,'206.176.206.59',1086037054,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 550 steering sector shafts','While looking at some parts catalogs, it seemed that the sector shafts for the late model Ford 8N appear very similar to those used for the manual steering Oliver 550.    Can anyone confirm yes or no whether the Ford ones can be used on a 1964 550???','',0,'gA==','3c7hbcoe',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3411,794,1,534,0,'68.85.105.10',1086059994,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The steering boxes for both came from the same supplier-probably Saginaw-but you should carefully compare your old one to the ones Ford used to make sure it is correct.','',0,'gA==','2ffvusm0',1,0,'',534,0,0),(3412,795,1,619,0,'4.239.168.11',1086122741,1,0,1,0,1,1,'','Oliver Supper 77 Fuel Injector Line','I loosened the fuel injector lines to bleed air from them.  Now no.6 line leaks fuel.  I replaced with a used line and have the same leak.  Should the fuel injector connection be ground to make a better seal?','',0,'gA==','1yjk5jlu',1,0,'',619,0,0),(3413,490,1,613,0,'199.199.226.42',1086229600,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','If you get this my father has one.  He recently bought a parts tractor for my 36 hp 70.  I\'ll see what he wants for it.  My email is <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:knutsonj@hometownsolutions.net\">knutsonj@hometownsolutions.net</a><!-- e -->','',0,'gA==','1a3uleo5',1,0,'',613,0,0),(3414,796,2,613,0,'199.199.226.42',1086230606,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','hart parr colors','what shade of green where the hart parrs, prior to the merger with oliver?  I have bought a new book that says the oliver hart parr 70\'s where a dark green(like forrest green) with orange as a secondary color.','',0,'gA==','xhokw3hd',1,0,'',613,0,0),(3415,796,2,238,0,'64.12.116.143',1086231954,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Go to Sherry Schaefer\'s site; Oliver information.com\r\nYou\'ll find the right colors and codes <!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->       Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','wc885gwf',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3416,797,3,459,0,'67.250.226.14',1086298228,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPOCA 2004 Belt Buckle','Haven\'t seen any place in the last magazine order this year\'s belt buckle. It should be the 770 for the South Dakota Summer Show. I have the complete collection and I would hate to see the HPOCA end this.\r\n\r\nI know that getting the buckles made each year was one of Landis Z\'s jobs. did somebody drop the ball after he left his board position?\r\n\r\nIf one of the officers could respond to this it would be great.\r\n\r\nThanks!\r\n\r\nMember #3952','',0,'gA==','30fg5lon',1,0,'',459,0,0),(3417,797,3,88,0,'4.155.129.119',1086300027,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Yeah, it looks like they have let the \"Promotion and Publicity\" position remain open. Or maybe no body wants it? Do you think they made a mistake by taking actions that led to Landis Zimmermans resignation?','',0,'gA==','3w18k0k6',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3418,798,1,239,0,'216.127.17.113',1086303319,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver 77','I am looking at purchasing an Oliver 77, year built 1950.  Does anyone know the horse power of the 77\'s built in 1950??\r\n\r\nThanks\r\n\r\nDon Clark\r\n\r\ne-mail\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:clarkangus@core.com\">clarkangus@core.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'gA==','7rnuosf9',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3419,798,1,35,0,'68.221.134.33',1086319045,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 77','The  77 gasoline rowcrop tested at 33.98 belt and 28.68 drawbar at 1600rpm in tne Nebraska test. The 77 rowcrop diesel tested at 35.79 belt.','',0,'gA==','3gpl0x57',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3420,799,1,209,0,'210.107.246.81',1086319461,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver Dealerships','What Oliver Dealership might have been close to \r\nWest Liberty Iowa in the late 30\'s and 1940\'s? \r\n\r\nThanks \r\nJohn Bondy from Missouri','',0,'gA==','1804j25m',1,0,'',209,0,0),(3421,797,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1086326548,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','They made a BIG mistake by making Landis angry.  He was dedicated heart n soul to this club.  \r\n\r\nOliver Renegade Ed','',0,'gA==','1dagfgsq',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3422,797,3,529,0,'12.76.99.7',1086347672,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','buckle','I also heard not a thing about belt buckles this year.\r\nI also do not think it is fair to state that Landis is angry, I think he is just tired of all the politics.','',0,'gA==','xdtgubga',1,0,'',529,0,0),(3423,797,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1086369004,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Tired of politics...yes. Sometimes disgust can be mistaken for anger. I can say Landis is not happy with certain people/ politics of HPOCA. No, I don\'t think anger is to far off base.  Not angry at the members of HPOCA but at the clique that runs HPOCA.  Landis is a fair, kind man and when discussing what this club has turned into by a few.     He certainly has every right to be angry!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nLooky dem der Renergades ridin\' dat OLIVER  <!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->','',0,'gA==','3gl8gkpj',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3424,791,3,202,0,'217.32.124.145',1086374292,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think what Luke sets out is an excellent idea, I live in England so don\'t know any of the board but I,ve been in touch with both Sherry and Landis a lot of time and there both very nice and extremly help full people. And have been following what has been happening with interest, I hope you succeed. Sam','',0,'gA==','1vt0jgsn',1,0,'',202,0,0),(3425,789,3,88,0,'4.155.81.246',1086379312,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well, It\'s been over a week since I raised this question, and still no Terry Allen. I guess he just doesn\'t have any interest in responding to the members questions.','',0,'gA==','2ijf538i',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3426,789,3,529,0,'12.76.99.48',1086382221,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','no show','Is this the HPOCA discussion forum? \r\n\r\nWhy would\'nt somebody from the board answer some of these questions if this is the HPOCA\'s own forum. \r\n\r\nDoes it make good leadership sense to remain silent?\r\n\r\nHow are members supposed to know if we even have leaders if we can\'t seem to get them to talk?','',0,'gA==','2qwdyidb',1,0,'',529,0,0),(3427,789,3,88,0,'4.155.129.200',1086390057,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I guess we are just supposed to talk among ourselves. It appears the HPOCA leadership has no time for us, the common membership.','',0,'gA==','1npl93q8',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3428,789,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1086395068,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','He has to be hiding something.  Why else would he ignore us.\r\n\r\nOliver Renegade Ed','',0,'gA==','1r0dvxta',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3429,789,3,88,0,'4.155.69.66',1086441104,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think many things are being hidden','',0,'gA==','ki55ksnh',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3430,800,1,239,0,'216.127.26.111',1086467093,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','White Model 5100 planter','I am restoring an Oliver model 312 corn planter.  I need someone with a manual for a White model 5100 corn planter to check the manuel to see how many inches apart to drop corn seed for a planted population of 27,5000 in 30 inch rows.\r\n\r\nI can then, by trial and errror, set my model 312 to drop corn seeds the same distance for 30 inch rows on the 312.  The book for the 312 only goes down to 36 inch rows for corn.\r\n\r\nThanks in advance\r\n\r\nDon Clark','',0,'gA==','1387mvnz',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3431,801,1,620,0,'69.67.252.11',1086476224,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Fenders for 80 Row Crop','I am restoring an Oliver 80 Row Crop and need usable Fenders. The only Fenders that will work need to be from am Oliver 80. There were two fender types, the older ones had flat top fenders and the newer ones had clamshell fenders. Mine originally had the clamshell fenders but I could use either type. Any help?\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:Applepicker@CNYInternet.com\">Applepicker@CNYInternet.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'gA==','4w4hs4jr',1,0,'',620,0,0),(3432,802,1,239,0,'216.127.26.189',1086486022,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1957 Oliver super 77','What is the horse power of a gas oliver super 77?\r\n\r\nthanks\r\n\r\ndon clark','',0,'gA==','ga3ne3a3',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3433,803,1,255,0,'4.224.3.83',1086489750,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver Umbrella for 1755','Hello all,\r\n\r\n I want to get my dad a Oliver umbrella from L Bar S Ranch (they advertise in the Hart-Parr Oliver Collector) for father\'s day. I want to get the meadow green and clover white four point umbrella.  I have a question:  Does the installation of this umbrella require any drilling?  No drill bit has ever touched any of the sheet metal on the 1755 and we do not want to drill any holes to install the umbrella.  The 1755 has been owned since new.  \r\n\r\nThanks for your help.\r\n\r\nJoe G','',0,'gA==','1ylx8897',1,0,'',255,0,0),(3434,797,3,459,0,'67.250.226.134',1086494796,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well, I\'m glad all you \"Renegades\" had a good time with this. I too have known Landis for a lot of years and consider him a friend. Unfortunately, I was hoping someone who actually knows something on this topic would step up to the plate and answer the question.\r\n\r\nIf the ball has been dropped here, whoever on the board that is supposed to step up and get those buckles ordered has about two and a half months before the summer show. If they aren\'t ordered soon Spec-Cast won\'t be able to get them done in time. I have dealt with them in the past and they aren\'t always easy to work with.\r\n\r\nMaybe one of you \"Renegades\" would like to step up and try to fill Landis\' shoes and volunteer to be the Promotions &amp; Publicity Director. That\'s right that probably won\'t happen. You all are the ones who just know how to complain and whine never doing anything for the good of the organization.\r\n\r\nAs I said earlier and in my original post, all I want is someone from the board who knows something to address the belt buckle issue. I would even be glad to hear what Andy knows about this. \r\n\r\nI didn\'t become a member till 1996 and it took some effort to get some of the early buckles so my collection would be complete. I collected them because I love Olivers &amp; Hart-Parrs, but I also hoped they would hold or gain in value. If the HPOCA discontinues them, they will probably drop like a rock in value like Two-Cylinder Club toy John Deere tractors.\r\n\r\nMember #3952','',0,'gA==','2vk5u82a',1,0,'',459,0,0),(3435,802,1,96,0,'216.201.29.24',1086525102,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The 1957 Supers are the best of the Supers, 12 volt key start, some had power steering, power shift wheels etc. Horse power, about 44','',0,'gA==','1ojsx0qd',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3436,802,1,239,0,'216.127.17.114',1086525959,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1957 Super 77 oliver tractor','at 44 hoursepower, would these tractors pull 3-14 inch pull type or 3-16 inch semi mounted plows?\r\n\r\nthanks\r\n\r\ndon Clark','',0,'gA==','2f5iza0j',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3437,804,1,452,0,'66.82.9.92',1086527020,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Looking for 1555 Roll bar!','Anyone know where I can find a Roll Bar that will fit a 1555?','',0,'gA==','tegrhs8z',1,0,'',452,0,0),(3438,797,3,374,0,'205.188.116.22',1086529917,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','buckle','Gee....been sitting on the sidelines looking in for quite awhile...guess its time to jump back in......\r\n\r\nMr.Oliver 66....why don\'t you be the activity director.....nepotism seems to work well in this organization <!-- s:twisted: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif\" alt=\":twisted:\" title=\"Twisted Evil\" /><!-- s:twisted: --> \r\n\r\nMr.Kline was the person filling that position at the winter get together....\r\nDidnt he do a good job? Some great activities he\'s credited with...\r\n\r\n1) Removal of property in Landis possession the day of his open house at noon....great timing.....\r\n2) Sending out reconnaissance patrol during Winter Get Together to find Keith M and \"persuade\" him to change his vote(s) against the Board.....\r\n3) And one cannot forget the closet episode with Ollie S.,he and sidekick Meeker just made a great impression of club hospitality for members old and new....\r\n4)And now NO belt buckle....who would have ever thought.....\r\n\r\nYa know what,I\'d melt them down and make sinkers out of them,you\'ll have more activity in the bottom of the pond than you will with this current leadership group!\r\n\r\nEd Brandt','',0,'gA==','3bmqi4wu',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3439,797,3,374,0,'205.188.116.75',1086541035,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','buckle','PS....Oliver 66....\r\n\r\nIf you are Landis\'s friend and Landis heads the renegades does that make you one?? Are you considering crossing the line?? Promise we won\'t send you to the \"closet\" for initiation <!-- s:twisted: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif\" alt=\":twisted:\" title=\"Twisted Evil\" /><!-- s:twisted: -->  <!-- s:twisted: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif\" alt=\":twisted:\" title=\"Twisted Evil\" /><!-- s:twisted: --> \r\n\r\nAnd if there is anything else you would like us to \"have fun with\" or clarify for you....don\'t hesitate to post!!!! <!-- s8) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\"8)\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s8) --> \r\n\r\nEd Brandt--Renegade for sure  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','j6f3wp5n',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3440,797,3,88,0,'4.155.81.91',1086545569,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey \'66,,,I\'m just thinking if your a friend of Landis\'s as you say,,,,why don\'t you support him and his reasons for leaving? You condemn us for asking questions and expecting answers. To say that one of us should fill the position that Landis felt forced to resign from is bit far fetched. Any member should be able to voice his opinion without being forced to accept a position to make his concerns legitimate.  WE as members should be represented by the elected officers. That is the job they agreed to do when taking the position. The members have every right to question the officers AND every right to expect their questions to be answered. Many questions have been asked of our president, yet he refuses to  give us satisfactory answers, or at this point any answers at all. \r\n\r\nIn my case I would not seek to fill any board position, as I do not have the time to do the job correctly. However, that should not stop me, or any other member for questioning the actions of the president or any other elected officer. You have no right to try to discredit any of us, by simply saying: If you don\'t like the job, one of \"us\" should take over......We raise questions for the good of the organization as a whole. Calling us names like \"whiners\" just makes you look bad.','',0,'gA==','23otn8ag',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3441,797,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1086546360,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Ed,\r\n   I think thats a heck of a good idea. Oliver66 has said he\'s worked with Specast before. If so, he certainly would be qualified to take over the belt buckle project. I myself don\'t have any interest in buckles and wouldn\'t know where to begin anyway. \r\n\r\nIt seems certain to me Oliver66 can pick up this ball and run with it. If he doesn\'t want to. I cannot blame him and won\'t hold it against him!\r\n\r\nI would rather give all my support to Oliver Heritage. Seems more people oriented. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> \r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\ni tawt der might be a Renergade or two \'round still! <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'gA==','kaa8bpc9',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3442,791,3,238,0,'64.12.116.20',1086556071,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Having served in many non profit organizations in all positions, (church, aerobatic club, flying club, etc) I have no desire to be anything more than a participating Indian. No more chief jobs! As I age to retirement, I notice that the ice that I tread on becomes thinner with each passing year. \r\n     With the prospect of an undetermined amount of enjoyable years of retirement, I don\'t have time to sit this situation out and just wait. Therefor, I am proposing the following:\r\nAn appointment committee chaired by Ed Brandt, and consisting of a Representative member of each HPOCA chapter to formulate an interum governing body. (There isn\'t enough time to hold an election) This can quickly be done via telephone and e-mail.\r\nI have chosen Ed because He has been one of the most out spoken people on this issue, and although I do not always agree with him, I do respect anyone that stands up and speaks for what He believes in. Now is the time to act.\r\n\r\nThe committees\' deadline should be set to allow  notification of the entire membership in time for the summer show. I will personally underwrite 1/2 of the cost of mailings. ($1100.00??) The membership in attendance at the summer show will vote on the removal from office proceedings and approve the appointment committees\' selection, that will serve until the next general election.\r\n\r\nOur leadership is a void, in my opinion. This club, at present has NO LEADERSHIP! I applaud Mr. Klines above post, as this is the FIRST POST I\'ve seen from ANYONE from the current BOD, save for the non-explaination from the president. There has been ample time since this \"nightmare\" began for our leadership to respond....ZERO.\r\n\r\nEd Brandt, I truly hope you pick up the ball and run with it! You have my full support, as one member. For the rest of the membership, the rehtoric is over. If you are as sick as I am of this whole mess, the time to do something about it is NOW. Either stand up and be counted or sit down, shut up and take what you get! Next batter up please...Larry Coltrin#10010535 \r\nPS I hope there is never a need for the term\"renegade\" in the HPOCA again!','',0,'gA==','3bu8vmra',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3443,791,3,116,0,'66.71.220.218',1086557365,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','wrong guy','larry, \r\n i\'m not the mr. kline you think i am. \r\n                                  TODD Kline not JIM','',0,'gA==','a8pm642i',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3444,791,3,465,0,'207.95.168.18',1086560373,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I know for a fact, I will not be at the summer show. will gladly give my proxy vote to someone willing to work for the dismissal of the current BOD.','',0,'gA==','18bltt4o',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3445,802,1,96,0,'216.201.29.101',1086563736,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 77','Boy is that a loaded question!. You and I talked once and you know about where I am located. I can take you 10 miles south of me and 3-14\'s would be a good load for a Super 88. In fact a few used  2-16\'s I can take you 10 miles north of me and a Super 77 would pull 3 easy. I would say probably 40%  of the Super 77\'s around here pulled 3-14\'s. A 4340 would be a nice plow for a Super 77. If you have the slow speed rear end, it might make things a little easier too. Maybe you can find someone in your neighborhood who owned one of these at one time. or at least a compareable size tractor.  It also depends on what you are plowing, and how fast (MPH) you want to travel. Questions.','',0,'gA==','29db0ubb',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3446,791,3,360,0,'198.77.42.33',1086568320,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','This is excellent and I have called out Mr. Allen and his clique many times to give an explination  and they have not. The board only wants to put it\'s members in a closet and try and beat them down. They need to be held accountable for these actions that they have taken out of pure jealously and we as members can not let them run things like the foundation that they are trying to set up for themselves. We need to get this ball running and the chapters need to get the ball running.','',0,'gA==','2kvi9c6b',1,0,'',360,0,0),(3447,791,3,374,0,'205.188.116.143',1086568575,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPOCA','Larry.....\r\n\r\n I too hope that we never(at some point soon) have to refer to any of our members as renegades,whiners,crybabies,etc.....this is a very large organization that regardless of what we do all are not going to agree,be pleased,participate....but we all are here for the good of the organization! Well,most of us,with the exception of the BOD,their bosom buddies and relations....that are kept in office by the silent majority of older members.\r\n\r\nThis organization does not need the contributions of the ones that dont want to be objective leaders such as J.Kline,Meeker,Markowski and others that have nothing to contribute to this organization.Maybe in past their goals were consistent with the good of the organization,however,after listening to their remarks and seeing their actions first hand at the Winter Get Together I believe they are quite the contrary. I also don\'t understand why the others (Allen,Muhs,Deyoe)have stayed in the tall grass and have not represented us members at all.Alot of us have many questions.......We elected them as our representatives,if they can\'t fullfill the requirements especially to their electors,how do they expect us to support them or decisions they make?? What impression are they making to other prospective members?? It is time to move on.......\r\n\r\nBatter Up!!!!\r\n\r\nEd Brandt','',0,'gA==','11172enc',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3448,791,3,360,0,'198.77.42.33',1086568708,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Just another thought this board makes me sick that they had this planed at the summer meeting and would love to see Mr. Allen and  Mr. Kline have to say about this allegation of planning this firing. I am sure that it will be like every thing else they will hid in there hole that they have crawled in. Waiting for replys.','',0,'gA==','u2a6pw15',1,0,'',360,0,0),(3449,791,3,88,0,'4.155.99.242',1086570168,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I won\'t be at the summer meeting either, but will be happy to give my proxy vote for any action leading to the dismissal of the present board. \r\n\r\nTime to clean things out and start over!!!!!!!!!!!','',0,'gA==','3vy7icqj',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3450,804,1,255,0,'65.134.233.107',1086570566,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hello,\r\n\r\n I am also looking for a rollbar for a 1555, as well as for a 1655, 1755 and 1955.  I have talked to Laurin Inc. and they make one that will fit.  I think they were somewhere between $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 in US dollars.\r\nI did not get one from them so I cannot comment on the quality, etc.  I just know they make them.  One thing to be aware of is that they only sell to dealers so you may need to get your local AGCO, etc dealer to order it for you.\r\n\r\nJoe G\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nLaurin Inc. \r\n(514) 689-1962\r\n487 Principale Street\r\nLaval, Quebec  H7X\r\nCanada','',0,'gA==','1lwkil5q',1,0,'',255,0,0),(3451,791,3,65,0,'216.183.132.176',1086577473,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Email addys and phone numbers !','IF you are so interested in what is going on in the HPOCA directors lives both the presidents phone number and e mail addy are in the HPOCA magazine as are all the directors and IF the renigades are sooo concerned reguarding the future of the club ,drop a dime in slot and talk to the top dogs!  Grant Thede member #316 and proud of it!!','',0,'gA==','3d25jqg7',1,0,'',65,0,0),(3452,791,3,238,0,'205.188.116.143',1086583061,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Todd,\r\nMy apology. Whether I agree with you or not, I respect you for putting forth your opinion. In this case, I agree whole-heartedly. It\'s time to either PUT UP OR SHUTUP. \r\nThis club is bleeding profusely and those that have been empowered to cauterize the wounds have not lifted a finger. It\'s a shame that so much good work done by so many good people seems to be in such jeprody.\r\n\r\nYour post was right on and made me slap my head and say \"BABY JESUS\".\r\nAfter months and months of waiting silently for SOMETHING, ANYTHING from those on high, you made me realize that NOTHING is ever coming.\r\n\r\nIn all good faith and sincerity, I truly believe that total lack of involvement is an affront to every member of the HPOCA. Therefore, I stand solidly in favor of removing our current administration and replacing them with an interum body that will LEAD us until the next general election.\r\n                                                         Regards, Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','38iv61z3',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3453,791,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1086639271,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I have read all these posts with exceptional interest. I think I\'d like to comment and possibly do my part to help the club. Thanks goes to Canada Grant for inspiring such a brain storm. More about that later.\r\n\r\n  1st, Larry I think you have made an excellent choice with Ed Brandt to chair an appointed committee. I have met Ed and found him to be a likeable, upstanding fellow. By his postings on this forum and talking to him in person. I know Ed is not wishy washy and doesn\'t waiver in his thoughts/beliefs. A quality Ed, you should be proud of. The same quality we have seen in Landis Zimmerman.\r\n\r\n    I think we have to ask, however,  Ed when does your membership come up for renewal? If it is anytime in the near future are you planning on renewing. My own renewal comes up in 9 mos. or so. I at this stage of the game am not planning on renewing. I don\'t see any difference I could make in 9 mos. anyway. However if someone, like Ed Brandt does step up. My mind may quickly change.   Ed Brandt,  if you don\'t want the job. I cannot blame you and it certainly won\'t change my thoughts of you! <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> \r\n\r\nI have long believed that chapters should hold most of the control of HPOCA. However before doing so there must be a total restructuring of HPOCA and its by-laws.  I have thought through many of the problems that may occur letting chapters run the club now as it stands. For some of those problems I have found resolvent but again it would be a massive restructuring of the club. \r\n\r\nI don\'t believe its a good idea to put in chapters temporarily or until the next election. Then after the election go back to how it was. WE MUST find ways to keep what has happened from happening again!!  I cannot emphasize enough that putting chapters in control, I believe can and will stop cliques from forming and taking control of the club. <!-- s:!: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif\" alt=\":!:\" title=\"Exclamation\" /><!-- s:!: --> \r\n\r\nNow the thought Canada Grant has inspired.  Mr. Thede I for one am concerned about the future of this club. I would love to have one good reason to renew. So far I can\'t find it. My voice in this club falls upon deaf ears, as do so many others. I am not concerned with what is going on in the lives of our directors but what they are doing for my club and if their actions have actually been for the good of HPOCA and not for their own personal gain. However your post as I said inspired thought.\r\n\r\nIF THE PRESIDENT AND B.O.D. DOESN\'T WISH TO COME TO US! WE MUST GO TO THEM!!!!\r\n\r\nand this is why I am establishing an e-mailing list. This list will include Terry Allen, if he wishes to take part and any other members who would like to join. No matter where they stand on the issues. This maybe a good way for Terry to set at ease skeptical minds   <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? --> \r\n\r\nIf you wish to belong to this list and ask the president questions. You may send me a PM or email me at   <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dannytabor2000@yahoo.com\">dannytabor2000@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nPlease leave your full name with your email address. If you do not I will not take you seriously and won\'t ad you to the list!  I will give Terry Allen two days to respond to this post. Whether he wishes to be apart of this list or not. I believe it would be best for him to respond on the forum as we can discuss rules of engagement w/ emails sent. \r\n\r\nIf Terry doesn\'t respond within 2 days I will send him an email of my idea on having an ask the president mailing list. If he says NO, on either count. The topic will be dropped. I will inform all others on the list and on this forum. If Mr. Allen doesn\'t respond after 1 week (7 days) of my sending him the email. I will again inform those on the list and forum, we will know where members stand w/ the president and allow it to drop!\r\n\r\nI believe it would be best for the President to give his answer on this hpoca forum. I think it would look better for him. no matter what his choice would be!\r\n\r\nAgain my intentions on making this list is not to bash anybody but to get some answers to the questions asked on the forum.\r\n\r\nThank you\r\nDanny Tabor #747 don\'t mean much but yeah I\'m proud of who I am!!\r\n\r\na Renegade!  <!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->','',0,'gA==','3t8swc6j',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3454,800,1,96,0,'216.201.29.203',1086659224,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Corn Planter','I have a different answer for you. I think your 312 is a mounted planter. Anyhow this came up today when we were adjusting for beans. In 30 inch rows, a distance of 17-1/2 feet for eac row is 1-1000 of an acres. So calulate the distance your drive wheel travels in one revolution, and then turn the drive wheel an amount equal to 17-1/2 feet. Catch the kernals in a can and see how many you have. Adjust accordingly. Looks to me like you need one to drop about every 7-7-1/2 inches. Allow a little for misses and drive wheel slip. Have fun planting','',0,'gA==','19z42pmb',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3455,802,1,293,0,'216.16.91.235',1086723803,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I have a 1957 Super 77 and this spring I just plowed some corn stalks with a 3-16 pull type oliver plow. It worked it pretty good. I usually pull it with my 880, but that was down at the time. The 880 toys with it in everything but alfalfa.','',0,'gA==','3qwt68og',1,0,'',293,0,0),(3456,791,3,465,0,'204.32.114.176',1086728246,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Board members','Just noticed a certain HPOCA board member can take time to answer someone\'s question about paint color on YTMAG.com.  <!-- s:twisted: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif\" alt=\":twisted:\" title=\"Twisted Evil\" /><!-- s:twisted: --> Wish they could be as helpful on their own club\'s BB. If they are that embarressed by their own actions, why don\'t they just resign?','',0,'gA==','2lc37hpf',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3458,791,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1086739748,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: Board members','Keith,  Did you call him on it?  You should, at least that\'ll put the bug inm his ear.\r\n\r\nEd\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote=&quot;Keith M.&quot;:7c5f50sv]Just noticed a certain HPOCA board member can take time to answer someone\'s question about paint color on YTMAG.com.  <!-- s:twisted: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif\" alt=\":twisted:\" title=\"Twisted Evil\" /><!-- s:twisted: --> Wish they could be as helpful on their own club\'s BB. If they are that embarressed by their own actions, why don\'t they just resign?[/quote:7c5f50sv]','',0,'gA==','7c5f50sv',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3459,791,3,88,0,'4.155.129.27',1086748966,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','All I can say is that it is very unfair for a board member to ignore one of its members. Just makes the whole organization look bad, doesn\'t it?','',0,'gA==','nepv0c8e',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3460,806,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.188',1086882282,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','test','Just doing a test post, as our server is gojng through some changes. Just want to make sure everything works','',0,'gA==','2e8me0ah',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3461,806,5,47,0,'67.241.135.135',1086927067,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','It works. Doing better than mine, I gotta fix a memory dump problem, when I get some extra time!\r\nLater, Andy','',0,'gA==','16o568d4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3462,807,1,601,0,'64.12.116.143',1086995625,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1947 ROW CROP 88 &quot;EARLY STYLE&quot; 4  SALE  LOW SERIAL','Tractor needs complete restoration ,no motor or front tin .Serial # is 12009,Ive been told this is the oldest 88 known ,$$$500.00  FREE  STORAGE  until snow flys!!!  located upstate  NY(LIVONIA NY)please call only or email MIKE WEST 585 346 4395 cell or home 585 346 2299 until 10 pm','',0,'gA==','wfiyo2jq',1,0,'',601,0,0),(3463,807,1,374,0,'205.188.117.22',1087091449,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oldest 88','mike....you are missing a number in the serial.........i am interested and live about 3.5 hours from you..ed','',0,'gA==','2lkdbqxr',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3464,808,1,209,0,'210.107.246.81',1087108720,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hercules Engine Canton Ohio','What happened to the Hercules Engine Plant in Canton Ohio? \r\nA recent HPOCA magazine indicated that a merger was never completed a few years ago. What happened then?\r\nAre engines currently being built under another name?','',0,'gA==','1kdr5dsn',1,0,'',209,0,0),(3465,796,2,622,0,'65.54.98.145',1087129035,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hart Parr colors','The color for the old Hart Parr tractors built up till 1930 should be a NAPA number 99L-8758 and the number for the Oliver/Hart Parr tractors built up till 1937 should be 99L-11513. There is a number of different paint numbers floating around the tractor collectors but these should be very close. Check out my website for more info.\r\n[url:wgd0tdso]http&#58;//www&#46;geocities&#46;com/hartparrtractors[/url:wgd0tdso]','',0,'EA==','wgd0tdso',1,0,'',622,0,0),(3466,809,1,98,0,'209.51.206.28',1087140198,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 77 frame','<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) --> I have a 77 serial 4501 471. Why does it have a super 77 frame ?I was told, that it was changed , or the serial plate was change , and that some of the last 77\'s off the line had super frames? I also was told this one was built in Charles City. What is the difference? Is there a place to find a build sheet on this tractor.  Thanks Mike','',0,'EA==','2hzkgc21',1,0,'',98,0,0),(3467,807,1,601,0,'205.188.116.22',1087173975,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','SERIAL # CORRECTION!!!!!!!!','THe serial # is 120097,The seven is very light but there ,so is the 97th tractor ?? No resonable offer refused ,must be sold ,DONT WAIT ,ITS GOING TO BE SOLD!!!!585 346 4395 days or 2299 eveings until 10:00 pm eastern','',0,'EA==','3oks2vih',1,0,'',601,0,0),(3468,744,1,601,0,'205.188.117.22',1087175436,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','tractors','These are gone except the row crop 88   500 best offer early style  needs everthing,low serial #','',0,'EA==','2ikwg5f8',1,0,'',601,0,0),(3469,810,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1087247294,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Showbook/ Ask the President Mailing List','Rich Porter, does this name ring a bell?  Rich is the man who puts together the IH show book. He also put together our/ HPOCA\'s 1st annual showbook, last year. Personally I thought the showbook was an excellent idea and had hoped to see more of the same.\r\n\r\n        Rich had done his part for this year. In March, Rich had sent a letter to President Allen asking if HPOCA was doing a showbook this year. If so and if they wished for Rich to do it, he must know by late April. So he can schedule it in. Here it is June now and Rich still hasn\'t recieved a reply.\r\n\r\nNow I understand if someone else has the job to do the showbook but even at that its poor business to leave somebody hanging. Or has it been decided not to do the showbook project?\r\n\r\nThis is just one question that the \"Ask the President\" List will be posing to President Terry Allen.   Mr. Allen had said he will answer any question posed to him whether by phone or email. Now the mailing list is discussing the easiest way to present our questions to President Allen. \r\n\r\nDo not worry questions and answers, I\'m most certain will be discussed on the HPOCA forum!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nHmmmmm.....Renegades, you say','',0,'EA==','1aaievw0',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3470,811,1,620,0,'69.67.252.41',1087263310,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Injectors for Oliver 77','Where is a good place to have injectors for an Oliver 77 Dsl. tested and rebuilt if neccessary?','',0,'EA==','eo5zkuip',1,0,'',620,0,0),(3471,811,1,96,0,'216.201.29.100',1087294227,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Fuel Injection Nozzles','Any good diesel shop, any AGCO dealer who has a contract for Oliver parts. Most likely if they have a lot of hours on them, new tips for the nozzles would be the way to go.','',0,'EA==','urgc2upr',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3472,812,6,35,0,'65.4.197.154',1087440832,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Tractor Show','There will be a tractor show in Jackson,TN this Saturday June 19. There will be a few Olivers, J*** D*****, Fords, Farmalls and some hit &amp; miss. There will be a pedal pull and an old time washer pitching contest. Sponsored by the Browns Ruritan. For more info. contact me through private message. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'EA==','2l1dlvgg',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3473,813,1,218,0,'198.81.26.48',1087510118,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver 80 piston rings','need piston rings for an 80 with 4 1/2 inch pistons, can anybody help? thanks.  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  <!-- s8) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\"8)\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s8) -->','',0,'EA==','13ieuk5c',1,0,'',218,0,0),(3474,813,1,96,0,'216.201.29.131',1087516990,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Piston Rings','Does it have the standard pistons with 3/16 width rings except for the oil control rings?','',0,'EA==','3ko44tms',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3475,812,6,105,0,'68.63.248.18',1087573069,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Dang it, \r\nFrank, just when I thought I would be able to come down and talk to you in person, I see that the show and a wedding that I am the best man in just happen to be on the same day.  I dont think I will make it, but let me know if anything else goes on down your way this summer.','',0,'EA==','2duw3x1e',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3476,812,6,65,0,'216.183.132.153',1087597115,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Washer throwing contest??','Can you describe this contest ?? Washing machines come to mind ,then flat washers , lockwashers would be a different twist ,need more info as the mind boggles? <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->','',0,'EA==','ypz7e5hq',1,0,'',65,0,0),(3477,788,1,590,0,'68.1.213.225',1087620100,1,0,0,0,1,0,'','Tractor paint &amp; gearbox for steering','I have used Van Sickle industrial enamels.  Their Case power white comes close and their Oliver green isn\'t  bad at around $20 a gallon. Farm supply stores  Like Gebo\'s or Tractor Supply carry it.  I recommend using their hardener as instructed to avoid dusting and chalk fading.\r\n     Your steering gear should be the same as the Ford  boxes as Saginaw made for both manfacturers.  Alexander Ford Tractor parts in Winnsboro, Texas wrecks out only Ford/New Holland stuff , and they are knowledgeable and great to deal with if you can\'t find anything closer.  I drove 400 miles and got there late and they came down after church and sold me the order I had called them about so I could be back on the road to meet family 2 hours on down the road!!','',0,'EA==','5ko06fbg',1,0,'',590,0,0),(3478,814,1,625,0,'69.21.154.189',1087696148,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Shade of green on rims and centers','I am in the process of restoring my Grandfathers 54 Oliver Super 77 and the shade of green looks darker on the rims and centers. Is it darker or is it a figment of my imagination? Did they paint the rims darker? According to the charts the green of the Super 77 is the same as a 770. Any info would be greatly appreciated.','',0,'EA==','15jrngxx',1,0,'',625,0,0),(3479,752,5,10611,0,'216.93.69.199',1087713213,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I think I found what we wanted.\r\n\r\nI have installed a modification that shows a list of logged in visitors for the day. If you click on a user name, it will show you the last time they visited, how long they have been on, (this one may be off if the person uses the auto log on feature),  the number of times they have visited, and the number of pages that they have viewed along with the other info that was normally listed when you looked up a profile.\r\n\r\nIf you have questions or comments, just let me know.','',0,'EA==','3i3hujaa',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3480,815,1,116,0,'66.71.221.23',1087752549,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','need help with ID','need help to identify a tractor.\r\n  it is an industrial model 77 i think, but i\'m not sure no tag on it. did oliver make an 88 industrial model ? if so how do you tell the difference? let me know what info you might need to solve my problem. \r\n                                                        thank you,\r\n                                                                 Todd Kline','',0,'EA==','2uuo5pcj',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3481,816,1,144,0,'169.207.92.142',1087766397,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver planter parts','Looking for the 2 larger seed/fertilizer canisters for a Oliver horse drawn planter. in good condition.','',0,'EA==','1yhr56lh',1,0,'',144,0,0),(3482,812,6,35,0,'68.221.135.141',1087775460,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Tractor Show','Hey Lug and Canada,\r\n\r\nLug, I am sorry that you missed the show. We had a real good time with about 30 tractors and lots of people. This is just our second year and hopely the show will grow. Our Ruritan sponsors this show primarily for fun and not profit.\r\n\r\nCanada, The washer toss is similiar to the Scottish pole vault in that old washers(Magtag etc.) are thrown by a two man team. The winning team gets a free ride to the hospital. JUST KIDDING\r\n\r\nActually the washer toss is similiar to horseshoes. Three two inch Lawson washers are used by an individual or by a team. Either the team or individual throws against another team or individual. The object is get the washer in a 4 inch hole some 30 feet away. We use a 4 inch plastic pipe  placed in the ground. If individuals are interested in the entire rules I will be glad to post them on this forum.  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'EA==','3pt8tak3',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3483,817,1,627,0,'205.188.117.22',1087784857,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1650 oil pressure','I have a 1969 Oliver 1650 gas that has low oil pressure. I have used 20-40 and now 20-50 oil. I have had this tractor for 1 year and I was told it had been over hauled 6 months before I bought it, anyway the oil pressure is 5 lbs at 700 rpm and 18 lbs at 1800 rpm. I replaced the oil relief value and spring because when I checked it there was a small nut under the springs and the value was wornen. I have 150 lbs compression and no smoke. I plan on replacing the rod and main bearings, do I need to look for anything else? Model # 365-21024 and vin # 195-725-452 Any help is appreciate. Thanks','',0,'EA==','1hjp6f0r',1,0,'',627,0,0),(3484,815,1,96,0,'216.201.29.202',1087819851,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Identification','Behind the starter on the block will be a series of casting numbers. Check those and get back with us.','',0,'EA==','30zc4yma',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3485,818,1,381,0,'206.176.206.5',1087861558,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 550 Bearings','Where can I find a set of transmission bearings for an Oliver 550 ... I need a set of #ES-5020 ... thanks!','',0,'EA==','37jhhixv',1,0,'',381,0,0),(3486,815,1,116,0,'66.71.199.126',1087943910,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John,\r\n here are the casting #\'s   199320, then under that is K100C. let me know what i\'m looking at.','',0,'EA==','2wm3gr7y',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3487,815,1,96,0,'216.201.29.175',1087970760,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Tractor Identification','It should be an 88 made after say Feb. of 52. I hope the number is 190320 not 199','',0,'EA==','21a0bjsj',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3488,815,1,116,0,'66.71.221.98',1088043258,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','john,\r\n thanks for the info, i\'ll double check the first casting #. \r\n i noticed on the serial  number listing  in 1953 &amp; 54 oliver changed the starting numbers, any reason why?\r\n                                       thanks, \r\n                                          todd','',0,'EA==','2g751yjp',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3489,815,1,96,0,'216.201.29.4',1088045351,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Tractor Identification','30 years ago I read something about it but I don\'t remember. Now one thing you do want to check is the location of the serial number tag also changed. In the fall of 52 with the new number system the location moved to the dash. Before that it was on the right side of the transmission case. In case you have not check there you might want to look.','',0,'EA==','cir4zand',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3490,819,1,239,0,'216.127.26.106',1088111298,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver 4340 plow','Were the 4340 plows adjustable from 16 inch down to 14 inch?\r\n\r\nI saw a 3X16 inch and need to know if they are adjustable','',0,'EA==','e0lnfglq',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3491,819,1,96,0,'216.201.29.12',1088112115,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','4340 Plow','Yes. If you are going to recondition one, then is the time to do it because you have to preform a major disassembly of the frame. It was also made as a 4 bottom','',0,'EA==','snvlo3oj',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3492,815,1,116,0,'66.71.220.152',1088121217,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John, \r\n the tag was on the dash, you can see the outline where it used to be. I haven\'t had time to go check that first casting # yet, but will let you know soon.','',0,'EA==','8l24ei6r',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3493,820,3,116,0,'66.71.220.152',1088121661,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','All\'s  Quiet','All is quiet in Oliverland, everyone must be happy, or so garsh dang mad they\'re not talking.','',0,'EA==','3c3ya6um',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3494,815,1,96,0,'216.201.29.159',1088124668,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','As the saying goes now you know the rest of the strory. It should have disk brakes and some other goodies and be a 53 or 54 model tractor.','',0,'EA==','19y5kumk',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3495,820,3,35,0,'68.221.135.141',1088127351,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Quiet','I have noticed the same thing. I mosey through here and then spend most of my time on YT and Tractorbynet. <!-- s:( --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_sad.gif\" alt=\":(\" title=\"Sad\" /><!-- s:( -->','',0,'EA==','3egx13fa',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3496,820,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1088136889,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I believe they are waiting to see what the BOD\'s next move will be.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'EA==','6g7x5gcd',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3497,815,1,116,0,'66.71.199.93',1088207430,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John,\r\nyou were right, 190320  thanks for  all of your help. now if i can just close the deal on it i will be a happy oliver owner.\r\n   Todd','',0,'EA==','2fvrl39r',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3498,820,3,88,0,'4.155.57.207',1088208250,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Could it be the calm before the storm????????','',0,'EA==','2yn0x2kj',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3499,821,1,627,0,'64.12.116.143',1088214820,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','where to fine a screen','No luck on oil pressure maybe someone knows where I can find a screen that goes in front of the radiator on a 1969 Oliver 1650 gas Thanks Ralph550','',0,'EA==','2mx2dm0a',1,0,'',627,0,0),(3500,818,1,627,0,'64.12.116.143',1088218764,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Trans. bearings','Have you tried Korves phone # 618-939-8772 I that doesn\'t work you may try a old Oliver dealer in Higginsville Mo. 660-584-2250 and ask for Ruth. Good luck','',0,'EA==','1a4z3k45',1,0,'',627,0,0),(3501,818,1,627,0,'64.12.116.143',1088218841,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Trans. bearings','Have you tried Korves phone # 618-939-8772 I that doesn\'t work you may try a old Oliver dealer in Higginsville Mo. 660-584-2250 and ask for Ruth. Good luck','',0,'EA==','45wrv1b3',1,0,'',627,0,0),(3502,822,1,492,0,'64.12.116.143',1088304357,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','550 power steering troubles','I\'m posting this for a neighbor. He changed the power steering hoses on his 550 and now after he shuts it off, he loses his fluid. The power steering only works while he is dumping fluid into it. Any ideas?\r\n\r\nThanks.','',0,'EA==','18t5hi18',1,0,'',492,0,0),(3503,823,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1088373629,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Ask the Pres. List','As many of you know, I have established an Ask the President Questions List. On June 17th, I had sent our first list of questions to the president. So far  we haven\'t gotten a response. I have resent the same email today for President Allen. We will continue waiting patiently.\r\n \r\n         While waiting however, I don\'t see any reason why we can\'t discuss some of the questions here on the forum. So this week I will post the questions for everybody to discuss. Hopefully we will have some of president Allen\'s answers to add to them in the future.\r\n      \r\n          I\'d like to thank all those who are taking part in this list. I hope our efforts are not in vain! While I\'m not looking for anybody else to join the list, if you have a question for the president, you can certainly email it or PM it to me and I\'ll present it to the other list members. Thank you\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nWerd dem Renergades get off ta!!!','',0,'EA==','17b6c5wz',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3504,820,3,37,0,'65.6.25.48',1088391114,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:roll: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif\" alt=\":roll:\" title=\"Rolling Eyes\" /><!-- s:roll: --> I think the board has said it all, leaving very little to be commented on. I doubt if you will hear much from me since I have not and probably will not renew my membership. I believe answers need to be given and none have been so I won\'t bother with hunting any now.','',0,'EA==','taf9mpl4',1,0,'',37,0,0),(3505,820,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1088447637,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','George,\r\n     When does your membership expire? If soon could you do me a favor and write a letter to the editor of HPOCA, on why you won\'t be renewing. \r\nBe certain to type it out, so it\'ll be easy to read. Probably best to send it by both email and ground mail to Chris Losey!!   I\'d like everybody who won\'t be renewing to write such a letter!!   Maybe that\'ll get thru to them!!!\r\n\r\nI am very certain Chris will allow such a letter in the club magazine. If only for the future of his employment to HPOCA. I\'m certain as hears of more &amp; more people saying they won\'t be renewing. He has to wonder himself what the future of HPOCA is!!!  His own future as editor of the magazine!! \r\n <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? -->  <!-- s:arrow: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_arrow.gif\" alt=\":arrow:\" title=\"Arrow\" /><!-- s:arrow: -->  <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: --> \r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\n\r\nCOOL RENEGADES have air conditioned cabs <!-- s8) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\"8)\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s8) -->','',0,'EA==','2m1q4z3f',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3506,820,3,37,0,'65.6.57.177',1088476921,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:cry: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif\" alt=\":cry:\" title=\"Crying or Very sad\" /><!-- s:cry: --> It expired in May of this year. I had a really tough debate with myself on whether or not to renew. My family has had Olivers or Oliver equipment since the turn of the century when the company was founded. It was 1978 before we had a tractor of another brand. I grew up believing in Olivers and continue to use them daily. I thought I had found a place where I could expound upon this, but I cannot support people who can\'t deal openly and honestly. I know this has turned into a mess, but it could have been prevented with some open honesty on the pres. and boards part. I was told that Sherry should answer those questions, but I don\'t understand that position. I don\'t believe someone who is no longer employed has any responsibility to the members; however the people who have been elected do have a duty to the membership. It is my opinion that this duty has not been fulfilled. I wish the Loseys well on their work as they have been put in the tough spot. I hate that I won\'t be around to see the end results.   George Steadman   ex number 3706','',0,'EA==','v22lcih9',1,0,'',37,0,0),(3507,823,3,12,0,'69.128.202.174',1088529116,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','It\'s this week, where\'s the list of questions?','You said you were going to post the list of questions. I\'d like to see them. \r\n\r\n   The vote to vote on the by-laws changes will be at the summer show. Right now I think I would vote NO for proposed changes. I\'d rather do nothing than to do something wrong!\r\n\r\n   The election fo Pres. is this fall. Let\'s put in someone that wants to improve relationships and have a by-laws commitee that will come up with some meaningful changes! \r\n\r\n   Let\'s not BASH and DASH... it\'s OUR organization, make POSITIVE changes! WB.','',0,'EA==','213z1mlq',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3508,824,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1088532911,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Ask the pres list...unanswered questions','I have sent this on June 17. I will attempt again. \r\nThe questions on this page will be listed on the HPOCA\r\nforum with or without answers.\r\nThank you \r\n \r\n&gt; Hello,\r\n&gt; President Allen,\r\n&gt;          I have been nominated by the other list\r\n&gt; members to be spokesman for the list. The list sends\r\n&gt; me their questions and in turn I will put them in an\r\n&gt; email to go to you. Your response will be forwarded\r\n&gt; to\r\n&gt; the list members.\r\n&gt;   Without any further delay here are the first wave\r\n&gt; of\r\n&gt; questions for you to answer. Thank you \r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        1. How many members do you speculate will not\r\n&gt; renew thier membership? Are you working on a\r\n&gt; strategy\r\n&gt; to give these members a reason to renew?  \r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        2.  Are you currently working on a strategy\r\n&gt; to\r\n&gt; attract new members? (membership drive)\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        3.  What is your short term and long term\r\n&gt; goals\r\n&gt; for HPOCA as an association, besides establishing a\r\n&gt; museum?\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        4.   In what way has/will the change in\r\n&gt; editors\r\n&gt; benefit HPOCA members?\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        5.   How will the HPO Foundation benefit\r\n&gt; HPOCA\r\n&gt; members, before and after a museum is established?\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        6.  $10,000 of HPOCA money went into the HPO\r\n&gt; foundation. How much do you speculate HPOCA can\r\n&gt; afford\r\n&gt; to invest in it next year?   Who currently has\r\n&gt; controlling interest in the HPO Foundation? \r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        7.  Is it planned that the HPO Foundation\r\n&gt; will\r\n&gt; sell merchandise as a way to raise money?  If so\r\n&gt; what\r\n&gt; is being discussed for the foundation to sell?\r\n&gt;        \r\n&gt;        8. What is being done to fill the HPOCA\'s\r\n&gt; promotion &amp; publicity position? Are there any\r\n&gt; prospects? Who? Has HPOCA lost any money while this\r\n&gt; position has been left open? \r\n&gt;         \r\n&gt;        9. What changes have been made with the not\r\n&gt; yet\r\n&gt; approved HPOCA bylaws?  Why in the open by-laws\r\n&gt; forum,\r\n&gt; many suggestions were ignored? Are there any changes\r\n&gt; at all, in the not yet approved bylaws regarding\r\n&gt; HPOCA\r\n&gt; chapters?\r\n&gt;        \r\n&gt;        President Allen If you can address each\r\n&gt; question individually, it would be greatly\r\n&gt; appreciated. Thank you\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt; sent for the \r\n&gt; \"Ask the President List\"\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt; by Danny Tabor','',0,'EA==','1iggvrn5',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3509,823,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1088534936,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Wrenchbender,\r\n           Thank you for your interest. I found the time today to cut and past \'em on the forum.  Just for the record, to get away from bashing is exactly why I had started this list. There are instigators on this forum, none of them are on the list...Praise the LORD!!!!\r\n\r\n        Sorry it took a couple days to post the questions. There are many more waiting to be asked but if President Allen doesn\'t respond to these. There\'s NO sense in attempting to ask him anything else!   Oh and just in case anybody wonders, we (meaning the list) had decided it would be best that the answers should be in some form of print. Just because it would be easier to discuss them on the forum and harder to deny saying something. I\'m sure thats understandable by most!\r\n      I believe the biggest change in HPOCA  will be its shrunkin\' size <!-- s:cry: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif\" alt=\":cry:\" title=\"Crying or Very sad\" /><!-- s:cry: --> \r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\n\r\n1 tractor pull + a pile of Renegades &amp; rednecks = a heck of a good time!','',0,'EA==','n6lav113',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3510,820,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1088535320,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','George,\r\n       You aren\'t alone in your decision....I have talked to many people who have resigned into just not renewing.  I guess in the long run, it really don\'t matter anyway. Doesn\'t seem to matter to those in power. So it shouldn\'t matter to us!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nYea, I\'m a Renegade','',0,'EA==','1ji1ry3p',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3511,824,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1088535531,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Just wanted to get this thread back on top.  Read \'em and discuss.\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'EA==','s440kbn6',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3512,824,3,465,0,'207.95.173.18',1088542521,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Danny,\r\n\r\n I think the only thing left to do is several of us get together and compose a letter for the mag. If it is not printed Quit.','',0,'EA==','k6qd7br8',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3513,825,6,632,0,'170.215.124.152',1088624112,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','waukesha power unit','I have just got a power unit and I am needing some info if someone can help.  It has an Industrial Unit Model 135GKU15806M and a unit number of 137634.  Can anyone help with bore and stroke and hp ratings?  It also has casted on the block 6 13 63, I am guessing the is the casting date?  Thanks.','',0,'EA==','1f2u2399',1,0,'',632,0,0),(3514,824,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1088629976,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','It may come to that.  You have my email maybe we should discuss how it should read. \r\n\r\nI also urge all those who are planning on or already have let their membership expire to type out a letter to the editor on why they won\'t be renewing. \r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'EA==','2zmq0227',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3515,824,3,238,0,'64.12.116.143',1088655725,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Danny, \r\nAlthough I am eagerly waiting for tenacious, fact filled answers from our \"LEADERSHIP\"?, i have this uneasy feeling that the general membership of the HPOCA will get the same results as we have been treated to in the past. 0, zilch,nada,nothing,void,etc.,etc. <!-- s:roll: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif\" alt=\":roll:\" title=\"Rolling Eyes\" /><!-- s:roll: --> \r\nToo bad, it\'s such a letdown.               Larry Coltrin','',0,'EA==','1pai456v',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3516,824,3,88,0,'4.155.126.141',1088685184,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Yeah, I\'m afraid 39LC may be right. Our (?) president does not have time for us (the lowly membership) It appears that we have a president and BOD that lives in their own little world and have insulated themselves from any contact with the common man (or woman).','',0,'EA==','3bm9ocd7',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3517,825,6,633,0,'68.22.6.113',1088700853,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','The Waukesha 135 GK has a 4 1/4\" bore x 5\" stroke for 426 cubic inches. horsepower is rated at 132@2400 rpm. I believe the 135GZ is the same engine with a larger bore (4 3/8\").','',0,'EA==','15dkch6b',1,0,'',633,0,0),(3518,821,1,40,0,'64.12.116.143',1088740624,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think AGCO has the screens.  They may be a little pricey, but if you elect to use it without one and the tractor gets hot because of stuff in the radiator you might decide they were not  that expensive after all.\r\n\r\nWhen you bought the tractor and the owner said it was \"overhauled\" did he tell you what they had done?  It is hard to imagine the bearings are bad now if they really did an overhaul.','',0,'EA==','3j2xzpuv',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3519,824,3,12,0,'69.128.202.174',1088771544,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','My thought is...','Mr Allen may believe he is a \"Lame Duck\" and will not be reelected or isn\'t even going to run. WB.','',0,'EA==','1ktez05u',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3520,826,6,40,0,'152.163.252.98',1088775169,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Old Tractors and Boys','Since tomorrow would have been the 63rd wedding anniversary of our Mom and Dad I thought it was appropriate to do something in remembrance of that event.  The following poem, written by my brother Duane was in Issue 2 of \"Oliver Heritage\", but I thought the members of HPOCA and other Oliver fans that use this website might enjoy it also.\r\n\r\nOLD TRACTORS &amp; BOYS\r\n\r\nWhen the first new tractor, came to the farm,\r\nIt was like a new born, full of wonder and charm.\r\nThe promise of the future, the trust of the past, \r\nThe babies and tractors changed farm life fast.\r\nThese new additions required great care, \r\nThey were shown off to the neighbors, in town and the fair.\r\nThe kids and the tractors all grew in size.\r\nAll guided by parents that time proved so wise.\r\nThe made the kids and the tractors work hard at life\'s chore,\r\nTo take what you have and try to make more.\r\nRex and Betty are gone, the five boys growing old,\r\nAnd most of the tractors are gone, broken or sold.\r\nBut the tractors we have get the greatest of care \r\nAnd we remember Mom and Dad like they are right there.\r\n\r\nI hope you Oliver fans enjoy the poem.  Happy anniversary to Mom and Dad!\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\nFor the Oliver Driving Brandt Brothers Bill, Don, Bruce, Duane and Greg','',0,'EA==','10zo4iae',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3521,824,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1088776691,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I had sent an email prior to this list of questions to President Allen. He emailed me back and, in essence said he would answer questions offered to him, over email or telephone. \r\n\r\n        Lame duck is an interesting term.\r\n\r\n         I have heard through the grapevine Bill Meeker wishes to be the next president.   Might be interesting to hear his answers to these questions and I think I\'d like to add one for him....\r\n\r\n     September 24, 2003, 6 weeks before Sherry\'s termination, Sammy Meeker intercepted ownership of the HPOCA website. Why was this action taken?  \r\n\r\n        Seem\'s like there\'s a lot of lame ducks in HPOCA leadership!!!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nRenegade','',0,'EA==','1bzglc0x',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3522,821,1,239,0,'216.127.26.134',1088815048,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','screen for 1650','OK Here is whay I did for my 1650 gas.\r\n\r\nI called Maibach, 1-800-808-9934, and they sent me down a flat piece of metal with many small holes.\r\nI was concerned that the engine would not get enoug air under heavy work so I cut the middle out and used screen porch screen, 2 layers, and fishing line to make my new screen.\r\n\r\nLooks great and works greater and is much less expensive than AGCO!\r\n\r\nGood Luck\r\n\r\nDon','',0,'EA==','273i8kde',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3523,821,1,627,0,'152.163.252.168',1088823311,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','screen','[quote=&quot;Bill Brandt&quot;:3ikdeww7]I think AGCO has the screens.  They may be a little pricey, but if you elect to use it without one and the tractor gets hot because of stuff in the radiator you might decide they were not  that expensive after all.\n\nWhen you bought the tractor and the owner said it was \"overhauled\" did he tell you what they had done?  It is hard to imagine the bearings are bad now if they really did an overhaul.[/quote:3ikdeww7]Thanks I think I will check with AGCO for the screen. And I was just told that they did a complete overhaul, as a madder of fact when I ask about the oil pump about 2 months after I got it home I said he thought the guy that did the work did put in a new pump. Oh well I\'m going to drop the oil pan next week. Thanks for the response. Ralph','',0,'gA==','3ikdeww7',1,0,'',627,0,0),(3524,821,1,96,0,'216.201.29.12',1088849810,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oil pressure','When you drop the pan, you should make a bearing leak test. The way that engine oils, your problem is not rod bearings as they have no affect on oil pressure. Most likely it is not your pump either.','',0,'gA==','sv5t8v75',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3525,827,6,5,0,'216.166.192.189',1088908734,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Madison, SD','Anyone here from or familiar with the Madison, South Dakota area? I\'ll be attending the show at Prarie Village and would like to find out a little about the area.          oleblu','',0,'gA==','2jfzoiwb',1,0,'',5,0,0),(3526,826,6,110,0,'152.163.253.2',1088923622,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','GREAT POEM','Bill, that was a fantastic poem. My father will be 82 this fall and he farmed his whole life with olivers also. Im always wishing i had more time to make the hour and a half drive to sit and talk OLIVERS with him, but after reading your poem im gonna MAKE more time to do just that. Thanks for sharing.','',0,'gA==','3rcl76s5',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3529,824,3,3,0,'66.82.9.58',1088963514,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','The website\'s been hijacked!!!??','Danny,\r\n\r\nWho are you?\r\n\r\nI don\'t believe I\'ve even met you????\r\n\r\nAnyway, I\'m confused at exactly how I intercepted the website.  How did this happen?  Why did I intercept it?  What exactly is \"intercepting\" a website?  Is this an IS term?  I\'ll look it up in the official IS dictionary.\r\n\r\nNow that I\'ve intercepted it, what should I do with it?\r\n\r\nI\'m thinking of setting up shop, selling trinkets and such here.  I\'ve got a great collection of old beer signs.  The HPOCA site would be a great place to sell them, don\'t you think?\r\n\r\nI\'d love to hear your source on this one.\r\n\r\nOr, are you just shooting random to see if you can get a response?\r\n\r\nAnyway, you\'ve got one.  Hope you\'re happy.\r\n\r\nSam\r\n\r\n\"Sammy\" Meeker\r\n\r\nBTW, No one has ever really called me \"Sammy\".  If you\'re talking about someone else, then I apologize.  Of course, maybe this other guy has hikacked the website!!!','',0,'gA==','g8l4d5yu',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3530,824,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1088978681,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Sam/ or Sammy\r\n      I didn\'t say anybody \"hikacked\" anything?   I suppose you are right intercept, perhaps wasn\'t the proper word to use.\r\n\r\n  You do agree that your name is on the register as the owner of the HPOCA website?   Prior to September 24th somebody elses name was on the register as the owner.  Am I correct so far?   Why was it decided to replace the previous name with yours?   \r\n\r\nI\'m not into beer myself but if you want to sell related stuff. Thats why there\'s a \"miscallaneous forum\" but hey its your site, Do as you wish!!\r\n\r\nI\'m sure you don\'t know me. Like Landis Zimmerman and the Schaefer\'s, I just don\'t fit in your clique. Not that I ever want to!!!\r\n\r\nDanny #747\r\n\r\n\r\nWell Renegades, atleast we know they are reading our posts. Funny I thought the forum was dead!!!','',0,'gA==','1ymxvlcl',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3531,824,3,465,0,'206.216.156.119',1088998804,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hijacked!!!!','Hijacked by a newbie with seven posts to his name. Must be that HIDDEN  person that always lurkes around. No response from My letter yet.  Of coarse they may be out of town for the holiday.','',0,'gA==','2ys7bq9s',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3532,824,3,465,0,'206.216.156.119',1089000304,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Danny 100','Danny \r\n  If I\'m correct, your next post you will an Oliver Blabber mouth, I mean Graduate, like Andy. <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->','',0,'gA==','1qabf0ot',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3533,824,3,465,0,'206.216.156.119',1089000533,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Edit','I wish I could edit that last post. I can\'t even read it.','',0,'gA==','o95274q4',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3534,824,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089024358,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I dread hitting graduate status.   I believe Andy maybe \"Professor Assistant\" status or at the very least he made the Deans list!!!! <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->\r\nDanny','',0,'gA==','3f0cvefy',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3535,824,3,374,0,'64.12.116.143',1089074388,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','lack of BOD response','I think that the renegades should hold their first pow-wow Friday night the 30th of July at a location close to the Meeker sale on the 31st.Since alot of us are going this would be a good time for a get together..war paint??\r\n\r\nEd Brandt','',0,'gA==','sjwl7s4c',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3536,830,3,465,0,'206.217.120.68',1089076842,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Stagnant Forum','With guests and such over 90 people have logged on today.  And no one is interested in what is going on.','',0,'gA==','6vf3khsb',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3537,830,3,238,0,'64.12.116.133',1089085434,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Keith,\r\n468 views, I think there is a LOT of intrest!\r\nI never claimed to be the sharpest hoe in the shed. It took me 3 months to figure out that there is MUCH more to this than just firing Sherry, and I\'m betting that a lot more good folks are getting the full picture too.\r\nMakes me wonder which ones are the puppets, and which ones are the brains. (?)\r\nThe questions asked on the ATPL list are all valid and deserve honest answers.\r\nKeep up the good work                    Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','1dtuvrct',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3538,824,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089087228,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','At Meeker\'s sale.....bring NO...I repeat....NO MONEY. Not even enough to buy a hotdog!!!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'gA==','35rj20k5',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3539,830,3,88,0,'4.155.93.210',1089089612,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Having this forum silent is exactly what those in power want. They figure they can get away with ignoring us. Now is the time for anyone who gives a \"you know what\" about this group to speak up....It\'s true, the questions asked are valid and it\'s reasonable to expect answers. Anyone who reads this should post their opinions.','',0,'gA==','39ge81x4',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3540,824,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.177',1089090349,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Thread closed','I was starting to be impressed by you guys. This thread started out as a well organized post, and things were moving along in a fairly respectable manner, and all of a sudden, someone decides to take a stab at Andy. From what I can see, Andy has been keeping his nose out of this, but Keith M. felt the need to poke at him anyways. \r\n\r\nSince you decided to wander off the subject, I am locking this thread. If you want to discuss the \"Ask the President List\" further, you are going to have to start all over in a new thread. Next time, I will start restricting access to this forum. Please think before you post.','',0,'gA==','2v6ajyox',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3541,821,1,43,0,'158.247.216.17',1089116870,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oil pressure','John,\r\nI hate to sound dumb, but how is a bearing leak test performed?','',0,'gA==','iubf9ckm',1,0,'',43,0,0),(3542,831,3,88,0,'4.155.129.99',1089117004,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Ask the pres list...unanswered questions','So, since someone said a few things that Chris didn\'t like he shut down the discussion. That\'s life in the land of HPOCA. We  have been quite upset by the attitude of president and board, but does Chris have anything to say about that? NO, he only cares about defending Andy. I say Andy is a guy who can defend himself, and usually has no trouble doing so. So, I guess now I have done it,,,,,I dared be critical of something, so Chris will no doubt shut this topic down, or most likely delete it. One thing that he better keep in mind,,,,,,there are plenty of other ways that people can communicate other than this forum.','',0,'gA==','1teckkl5',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3543,831,3,465,0,'207.95.174.4',1089119095,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Andy','Consider my backside slapped. \r\n\r\n Really I wish Andy would quit lurking and post. Sometimes he he got my blood boiling, somtimes I laughed. \r\n \r\n the one thing I always thought,  How can  he expect us to believe this tripe.','',0,'gA==','r04a8em2',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3544,832,1,226,0,'65.93.48.64',1089129361,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 55 PTO seals','Hello all,\r\n\r\nMy Super 55 has oil leaking out around the PTO shaft <!-- s:cry: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif\" alt=\":cry:\" title=\"Crying or Very sad\" /><!-- s:cry: --> . I feel that it has been worse in the last couple years.\r\n\r\nDo I have to open up the transmission cover to change those seals from the inside or is it just a matter of replacing the bad seals right around the PTO shaft <!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: -->\r\n\r\nThanks for your time','',0,'gA==','1hzu1jd8',1,0,'',226,0,0),(3545,831,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089146066,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I don\'t think it had anything to do with any comments made about Andy. I didn\'t see anything overly hurtful said about him anyway. Andy is a big boy.\r\n\r\nPersonally, I think the last thread was shut down because of my comment on not bringing money to Meeker\'s sale. Believe it or not, there is concern about the success of theis auction. There should be concern after Bill Meeker\'s active participation in embarrassing and destroying this club. \r\n\r\nI believe it would be a very fitting- Thank You- to Bill Meeker if at his sale, not even a hotdog can be sold!!!\r\n\r\nJust my thought,\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nRenegades don\'t like weiners anyways!','',0,'gA==','10mpc6wl',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3546,831,3,110,0,'149.174.164.66',1089159315,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Whats next????','Holly cow Chris, its almost like a class room in here anymore.This is the politics room of the club and anytime you have politics discussed, your gonna have people saying things they maybe wish they hadnt said, tempers flare, and people on edge for various reasons, good and bad on how things are being done. Your shuting down threadS, threating to band certain people if they become to outspoken, whats gonna be next--------------shut the web site down???  Its like everyday i come in anymore, i dont know whether the site is still up and running or not. I hope it never comes to that for sure, but lately nothing associated with this surprises me.  PS  Ya\"ll leave Andy alone, he is out workin on that million miles and cant be here to defend himself. <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->','',0,'gA==','z1wt52qm',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3547,832,1,51,0,'152.163.252.104',1089166808,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 55 PTJO seal','Just pull the four bolts on the bearing retainer,press out the seal and press in the new seal. Delbert','',0,'gA==','2xb7rjb3',1,0,'',51,0,0),(3548,831,3,238,0,'64.12.116.68',1089167781,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','537 views when it was shut down......sounds like a FEW people ARE interested.\r\nHey Danny, do you still have those OLD questions that were on the ATPL list? Suppose you could post them again??? I\'d sure appreciate it, and I believe a lot more HPOCA\'ers would too.\r\nThanx a lot!!                                           Larry Coltrin <!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? -->','',0,'gA==','wmle9rug',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3549,833,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089169562,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','unanswered questions/all over','I have sent this on June 17. I will attempt again. \r\nThe questions on this page will be listed on the HPOCA\r\nforum with or without answers.\r\nThank you \r\n \r\n&gt; Hello,\r\n&gt; President Allen,\r\n&gt;          I have been nominated by the other list\r\n&gt; members to be spokesman for the list. The list sends\r\n&gt; me their questions and in turn I will put them in an\r\n&gt; email to go to you. Your response will be forwarded\r\n&gt; to\r\n&gt; the list members.\r\n&gt;   Without any further delay here are the first wave\r\n&gt; of\r\n&gt; questions for you to answer. Thank you \r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        1. How many members do you speculate will not\r\n&gt; renew thier membership? Are you working on a\r\n&gt; strategy\r\n&gt; to give these members a reason to renew?  \r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        2.  Are you currently working on a strategy\r\n&gt; to\r\n&gt; attract new members? (membership drive)\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        3.  What is your short term and long term\r\n&gt; goals\r\n&gt; for HPOCA as an association, besides establishing a\r\n&gt; museum?\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        4.   In what way has/will the change in\r\n&gt; editors\r\n&gt; benefit HPOCA members?\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        5.   How will the HPO Foundation benefit\r\n&gt; HPOCA\r\n&gt; members, before and after a museum is established?\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        6.  $10,000 of HPOCA money went into the HPO\r\n&gt; foundation. How much do you speculate HPOCA can\r\n&gt; afford\r\n&gt; to invest in it next year?   Who currently has\r\n&gt; controlling interest in the HPO Foundation? \r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;        7.  Is it planned that the HPO Foundation\r\n&gt; will\r\n&gt; sell merchandise as a way to raise money?  If so\r\n&gt; what\r\n&gt; is being discussed for the foundation to sell?\r\n&gt;        \r\n&gt;        8. What is being done to fill the HPOCA\'s\r\n&gt; promotion &amp; publicity position? Are there any\r\n&gt; prospects? Who? Has HPOCA lost any money while this\r\n&gt; position has been left open? \r\n&gt;         \r\n&gt;        9. What changes have been made with the not\r\n&gt; yet\r\n&gt; approved HPOCA bylaws?  Why in the open by-laws\r\n&gt; forum,\r\n&gt; many suggestions were ignored? Are there any changes\r\n&gt; at all, in the not yet approved bylaws regarding\r\n&gt; HPOCA\r\n&gt; chapters?\r\n&gt;        \r\n&gt;        President Allen If you can address each\r\n&gt; question individually, it would be greatly\r\n&gt; appreciated. Thank you\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt; sent for the \r\n&gt; \"Ask the President List\"\r\n&gt; \r\n&gt; by Danny Tabor \r\n&gt; \r\n&gt;','',0,'gA==','34iy08i9',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3550,834,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1089170280,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Contacting the Pres','Too bad Chris has to take sides and treat the forum like Kindergarten camp.  I agree, there are many more ways to communicate, this forum isn\'t the only way.  \r\nHey, I just remembered, didn\'t Pres Allen say he would answer questions via telephone?  Danny, I have about 400 unused minutes on my cell phone, put them to good work!!!!\r\n\r\n\r\nEd   <!-- s:twisted: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif\" alt=\":twisted:\" title=\"Twisted Evil\" /><!-- s:twisted: -->','',0,'gA==','2yteo54f',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3551,831,3,10611,0,'216.93.69.177',1089201270,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Re: Whats next????','[quote=&quot;Cookieoliverman&quot;:x7f4m038]Holly cow Chris, its almost like a class room in here anymore.  PS  Ya\"ll leave Andy alone, he is out workin on that million miles and cant be here to defend himself. <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->[/quote:x7f4m038]\r\n\r\nBob,\r\n\r\nI agree, it is like a class room in here, an elementary classroom. Inferring that Andy is a blabbermouth is rather childish. I\'m sure it isn\'t going to hurt Andy\'s feelings, but he wasn\'t even giving you guys any trouble.  It seems I have to do something like this every so often to remind everybody that we are all adults here. And if you think I overreacted, just replace the name Andy with the name Sherry and tell me you guys wouldn\'t have been boiling under the collar.','',0,'gA==','x7f4m038',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3552,831,3,88,0,'4.155.69.138',1089203805,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris. To make a comparison like you did suggesting replacing Andy\'s name with Sherry\'s is a good example of being childish. Andy has proven \r\nhe can be a bit long winded at times. Anything Sherry has had to say was direct and said in a sensible way. If you look back to last fall on this forum there was quite a bit of Sherry bashing going on here. And what did you do about it? Not much, if I remember correctly.','',0,'gA==','30i9ifo7',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3553,831,3,110,0,'64.12.116.203',1089207865,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Exactly Doug','And it wasnt just Sherry, it was Ollie,  Tichnor, anybody who had anything to do with #3. They were being accused of bein theives, crooks, ripoff artists, price gougers, you named it, it was out there. That isent even comparable with a slight mocking like blabbermouth. And what was done about any of those accusations. NOTHING!!!!  It is a good comparison in one way though, as womans trends go, short pants are IN. <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->','',0,'gA==','1n31niih',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3554,831,3,110,0,'64.12.116.203',1089210050,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','lets talk about who is really childish here','And now that we are on the subject, lets go a little deeper. If i remember correctly, it was Andy who indirectly threw a large majority of those accusation that i mentioned above out in the open in the first place. Any backlash he receives for all his childish comments on the group of people in question, he mostly deserves.What they did, right or wrong, in their minds was for the betterment of the hpoca. All this jealousy over their involment in that particular project from upper management of hpoca is the REAL ELEMENTRY CLASS ROOM CHILDISHNESS OF THIS WHOLE SITUATION.Its just unfortunate for Andy that he was lured into becoming thier spokesman.Being called a blabbermouth is like a slap on the wrist compared to some of the indirect things he accused others of.','',0,'gA==','qb9gzfge',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3555,831,3,465,0,'204.32.115.21',1089212462,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Sensorship?','Look, \r\n Chris I was taking a jab at Danny on that post, If you would look back I immediately wanted to edit it. But I\'m not allowed with this format. You have asked me to edit posts in the past. I would do it and go on.\r\n  It was another way to try to get Andy back in the mix too.  You think we don\'t know that  Terry and the Board watch this Forum like hawks.  Look how fast a Meeker jumped in when Danny mentioned the name. I\'m doing this from memory and not looking it up, Didn\'t he have about 3 posts to his name in 3 or 4 years. WHAM!  in like a hawk. Guess they didn\'t have Sam reigned in tight enough. I can just imagine Andy over on the sidelines \"put me in coach\" dying to say something, but the Oliver Gods won\'t allow it.\r\n  You know If they would stop hiding and come take their medicine maybe I won\'t have to change my mind, come to Madison, and talk to everyone who will listen. I won\'t have to get up in the middle of the meeting and ask some of these questions. \r\n I have cleared  that weekend at work, but I would rather spend it with my wife. \r\n Each time Madison comes up it brings back bad memories of a trucking co. I worked for that was based there.','',0,'gA==','2d86jyfy',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3556,831,3,465,0,'204.32.115.21',1089212940,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Sensorship?','You know we could lurk in and out as guests too  Allen, Meeker, and the rest of you, but Renegades have hangy down things. We let every one know when we walk in a room.','',0,'gA==','387qtc85',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3557,831,3,105,0,'68.63.248.18',1089217812,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The problem with this whole situation is this.  NO ONE is helping this matter.  I am on no-ones side.  I, like many others, didnt like it when Sherry was fired, but that has been quite a while ago now.  I am over it.  Why so many people are STILL worked up about this, I dont know.  But I know this...the average guy like me is only turned off to the whole thing by all of this bickering.  \r\n\r\nRenegades...I know you want answers, but at this point it is becoming painfully clear that you are never going to get what you want to hear...so guess what.  Quit.  Step back, take a deep breath and regroup.  The only way to change what you have in front of you is to have someone you feel is qualified step up, get a set of those hangy down things Keith M. was talking about, and run for office.  If enough people feel the way you do, then he gets voted in, and at that point start making the changes that you feel necessary.\r\n\r\nOfficers...do what you are supposed to do and lead your people.  Your people are the club, and if you cant tell already, they are not happy, and you need to start doing your job.\r\n\r\nIan Hart','',0,'gA==','2f7smzzm',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3558,831,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089219742,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Ian,\r\n    Have you read the questions listed for the president? Do you view any of them as outragious or asking to much?  It was established very early by the \"list\"  to avoid asking, point blank, for an explanation for the termination of Sherry\'s contract. I agree, that is old but also much to emotional and will only put us back to square one.\r\n\r\n       You say put one of the Renegades up as a candidate for office. I ask you, How can anybody run for office with out knowing what he/she is getting into?   With the HPO Foundation and new by-laws and nobody answering questions or explaining what is going on in the club, Who in their right mind would want to blindly run for office?\r\n\r\n       I personally am glad Andy is keeping a low profile. Not that I didn\'t enjoy the debates with him but now I want answers from somebody with authority.  \r\n\r\n            I\'m tired of reading the \"Presidents Desk\" and only seeing one paragragh about something of importance that pertains to the club.  Followed by........more about that later!!!......Later never comes!!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nYes, I\'m still a Renegade!!!','',0,'gA==','2052moct',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3559,834,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089220336,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey Fast Eddie,\r\n        I appreciate the cell phone minutes but President Allen had also said he would answer questions sent to him via email. The list members had decided it to be best to have his answers in some form of writing.\r\n\r\n <!-- s:idea: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_idea.gif\" alt=\":idea:\" title=\"Idea\" /><!-- s:idea: --> Hey can I use them minutes talking with my girlfriend\'s? <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->\r\nDanny','',0,'gA==','22nhhjno',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3560,831,3,105,0,'68.63.248.18',1089221995,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Danny, I do not think your questions unfair or outragious.  In fact I think they are quite good.  I too have been one who has long thought the President\'s Desk column was a waste of time, and that is before President Allen.  I know what time of year it is...I dont need to know that the president has been busy getting his wheat cut.  I want to read about the club from the Presidents eyes since the last issue.  In my opinion it should be more of a State of the Club address.  I have always thought that if not in every issue, this should be done at least once a year.\r\n\r\nAs for a Renegade running for office and getting into something blindly...that may very well be the only way to get the end result that you desire.  You know the old saying \"get it done or die trying\"','',0,'gA==','2euimuit',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3561,835,3,465,0,'206.217.120.32',1089230972,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','The &quot;Letter&quot; I want published but never will be.','This is the Letter I would like to submit to magazine. \r\nI have e-mailed Chris a couple of times concerning the post by Luke Rizzuto and from his answers, I am led to believe the B.O.D. would have to approve Luke\'s to be published.\r\n If Luke\'s would have to be approved (censored) by the B.O.D. I can only guess where mine would end up:\r\n\r\n  July 4, 2004\r\n\r\n  Since the Winter Get Together several members have been trying to get some answers to questions concerning the club, the HPO Foundation, and past actions by the board. We have been submitting posts to the forums on the clubs website. and we have e-mailed the club President with no response to the questions. Even after he said he would be happy to in a e-mail to Danny Tabor dated June 13. We have posted numerous \r\ntimes on another website that another board member frequents to sell his wares. We asked the President to join the discussions, but to no avail.\r\nIt is almost like everyone has been told to ignore us and we will go away.\r\nFor some of us, unfortunately that is about to happen. We will not renew our  memberships.\r\n\r\nMr. Allen in his e-mail to Danny did say that he had been to the forum, but it seemed \"rather stagnant\". Since the WGT, there have been 38 different subjects posted in the \"HPOCA FORUM\" as of 07/03/04. In that span of time, 317 replies have been posted and those subjects had replies  viewed 28.366 times. In our opinion, that is hardly stagnant.\r\nWe all all sure it would be even more lively if board members would enter the discussion.\r\n\r\nSince Mr. Allen will not answer our email, we would like our questions presented in the magazine as food for thought for the membership in hope that we would finally get some answers.\r\n\r\n1. At the Winter Get Together the directors approved the by-laws of the HPO foundation (Pres. letter May/June 2004). All that was passed around at the meeting was a draft. At no time did we see any by-law as to how the board members would be filled or appointed. The reason we know this is that several of us discussed who would be good candidates and if they would run. We all assumed there would be an election of the board. Please explain how these appointments came about?\r\n\r\n2. When will the HPO foundation by-laws become public? Will they show up somewhere in the magazine? If not, why?\r\n\r\n3. Is it a conflict of interest to have the President and other HPOCA directors appoint themselves to the HPO foundation board? This was after the President and the Board recommended giving up $10.000 to HPO.\r\n\r\n4.  Doesn\'t it seem strange that all new HPO board members DONATED\r\n$1,000 to the HPO upon appointment?\r\n\r\n5. How much will the HPOCA be able to afford to give the HPO Foundation this year?\r\n\r\n6. Who do the directors of HPO Foundation answer to? Does HPOCA have any say in actions of the foundation?\r\n\r\n7. If there was a split or failure of either the HPOC or the Foundation, what happens to any assets?\r\n\r\n8. How is the foundation going to raise money? Will any fundraising interfere or compete with HPOA fundraising?\r\n\r\n9. At the WGT, actions by some board members boardered on violence.\r\nMany of us were quite disturbed by this. Do you guarantee this will never happen again?\r\n\r\n10.  Luke Rizzuto wrote a very disturbing post in the club forum (HPOCA\r\nGoverning Board; 5/26/04) about the events leading to the dismissal of the former editor of the magazine. If these are true, it has left the club open to a law suit. Would you please comment?\r\n\r\n11. Many members since the WGT have stated they would not renew their membership. What are you prepared to do to keep these members? How do we increase membership?\r\n\r\n12. What has been done to fill the Promotion and Publicity position? What have you done as far as raising funds? We understand past vendors of belt buckles and show books have not been contacted this year. Why?\r\n\r\n13. What is the HPO goal other than to build a museum?\r\n\r\n14. What are the proposed by-law changes to HPOCA?\r\n\r\n15. It has been rumored that YOU are not running again as President and that a decision has been made among the board as to who is running for each post. If true, is this not a slate? When will it be announced so others have the same chance to run a camp against them?\r\n\r\nSeveral of us were going to sign this. I am sure it will not be published, so take it for what it\'s worth.\r\n\r\nKeith','',0,'gA==','2sovppu9',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3562,835,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089235088,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','My name will go with it!!!!  Thank you Keith\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'gA==','o9k9a3zy',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3563,835,3,372,0,'68.76.242.110',1089238148,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','As a former member who already did not renew due to the inablilty to get answers from the president and bod and who would like a good reason to rejoin, I\'d be honored to sign the letter.\r\nJohn Phipps former #7523','',0,'gA==','wvzmekrq',1,0,'',372,0,0),(3564,835,3,35,0,'65.4.198.127',1089253472,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','letter','Keith,\r\n\r\nWell put! I have refrained from posting because I felt that the Board really couldn\'t care less. Even if HPOCA had an up front Board forming a Foundation with Board members controlling the Foundation is a diaster. No board member in their right mind would want that responsibility. Look at most civic clubs and you will see a Foundation Board independent of the BOD.\r\nIt seems to me that the current BOD wanta a private good buddy club to me their needs.\r\nI feel honored to sign the letter.\r\n\r\nFrank Dodson','',0,'gA==','3bjcu8zg',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3565,831,3,12,0,'69.128.200.141',1089258803,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','995, \r\n\r\n   You have a good prespective on the situaition! \r\n\r\n   I agree, the president\'s desk should tell us what has been going on and what is in store for the future.\r\n\r\n   Danny your questions are quite valid. I think you need to realize they are not going to be answered. After several months without explainations for what has happened and no answers to reasonable questions, it\'s pretty clear we\'re just not going to get any answers! Let\'s remember what has happened in the past and get on with the future and get this organization back on track! WB.','',0,'gA==','1mgyt7hi',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3566,821,1,363,0,'68.152.9.254',1089318211,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The local agco dealer around here did up some nice aftermarket screens adn sells them for less than half what AgCo wants and they look really good.  You might try them for screens.  WEB enterprises 540-879-2350\r\n\r\nGood Luck','',0,'gA==','ev65qsrd',1,0,'',363,0,0),(3567,831,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089320798,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','So how do we do it?\r\nLets say a new president gets elected and find a lot done by the current board, that needs undone. For example the HPO Foundation- Should the president see reason to distance HPOCA from it. Will the HPOCA members be able to stomach such a move?  To do so will cause a group of members  to split from HPOCA but I think it would be better than the erosion HPOCA is going through now&gt;\r\n\r\n The other issue is equal representation. There are a multitude of chapters with NO representation in HPOCA.  I belong to one of them MDOCCA.  So how do we give them representation. Allow the chapters to elect a representative for the board is my answer. There are some guidelines/ by-laws that need to be established before this can happen. Such as HPOCA members belonging to more than one chapter should only be able to take part in the politics of one chapter.  Listen, I have ideas drawn out in a notebook....not that it really matters.\r\n\r\nThe third thing is, how do we get the young to middle age, working class involved in HPOCA politics. I\'m 31, self employed. I have no time to take off work to go to shows, most summer weekends I spend operating my sled for our local Farm Museum pulls. I have tons of ideas for the club but limited time.  We need to make it easy so anybody/ everybody can feel welcome to be involved in HPOCA. Remember, not  all members are farmers or born wealthy or wealthy farmers <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->    I believe keeping HPOCA politics at a local level, chapters, will help with this!\r\n\r\nFinally we have to change the way we sell HPOCA. Lets sell memberships and keep the magazine as a way to bring members and chapters together.\r\nI think it\'ll be difficult to compete against Oliver Heritage, so lets find ways to work with Oliver Heritage.  I\'d like more club news and articles about club shows and members. \r\n\r\nListen, I have to go back to the shop. My Mack dropped a valve today and I\'m in the middle of tearing it down. Took a little break, checked out the forum. I\'ve lost a couple hours work writing this post but I think it was important enough to do so. \r\n\r\nYou want to work on straightening this club out....I\'ll work with you, 995, wrenchbender\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nRenegade','',0,'gA==','1xtwd4ff',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3568,816,1,239,0,'216.127.26.171',1089322217,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','parts for planter','Aumann has a sale on Saturday, July 31st with lots of nos never assembled for horse drwn and tranctor 1&amp;2 row corn oplanters.\r\n\r\nThe sale is in illinois\r\n\r\nDon','',0,'gA==','34fcy6vw',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3569,814,1,239,0,'216.127.26.171',1089322358,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','green color on 77','I do believe the entire tractor was the old darker green until the year 1955, when they changed to the meadow green.\r\n\r\nI have a 1957 super 77 and it has the meadow green with the red wheels.\r\n\r\nDon','',0,'gA==','30taqf4c',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3570,836,1,145,0,'4.224.243.124',1089322693,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Identify oliver plow','I just purchased an Oliver drawbar hitch plow. It has 2 16 inch bottoms, hydraulic lift, and a steel tailwheel. The hitch is adjustable up an down with a round steel shaft with notches for a set screw to hold it in position. Does anyone know what model number this might be? I need a landside for it if anyone knows where I might find one.','',0,'gA==','3hded4hs',1,0,'',145,0,0),(3571,831,3,238,0,'64.12.116.203',1089344884,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Yes sir, I too was of the opinion that this site was a mess. Full of petty sarcasim that would soon be put to rest with valid and enlightining words from our leadership. So I waited, and waited, and waited, and waited, and waited..........Still waiting!\r\nNow, why in the world would the officers of a fine, strong club like the HPOCA simply stand by and let it flounder? Why hasen\'t ANYONE stepped up and \"set things straight\"? Why won\'t the president address the questions asked? Why is the presidents page all flowers, fairys dancing in a meadow and a few words about planting in central IL. that hardly anyone cares about? What about the CLUB? What about the HPOCA? Seems to me that they just don\'t care. And why is that???\r\nWhat\'s happening with the by-laws?, and the museum? Do any of you know? If you do, please fill me in!\r\nStanding STAUNCHLY with the RENEGADES;   Larry Coltrin #1001035','',0,'gA==','fksqz778',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3572,835,3,238,0,'64.12.117.12',1089345466,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Keith,\r\nExcellent!! The questions are perfect......now for the answers?????\r\nCount me IN!\r\n                                                  Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','1xb3apyq',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3573,835,3,374,0,'64.12.116.23',1089370156,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','letter','Good Keith......Count me in the signature slot also.....Ed Brandt','',0,'gA==','la9m6jw9',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3574,835,3,611,0,'198.212.223.35',1089392537,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I am also NOT renewing my subscription. I think Sherry was doing a fine job. In fact I am replacing this Magazine with Oliver Heritage- Sherry\'s new publication. D. Hastings Upstate New York.','',0,'gA==','dn8dbxgu',1,0,'',611,0,0),(3575,835,3,88,0,'4.155.99.191',1089399681,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I would also be happy to sign the letter. I agree that the way things have gone lately that it most likely will not be published. That\'s the way it is when the magazine editor has no choice other than to do what he is told by the President. Doug Grandy #3614, (but most likely not renewing in view of the lack of concern shown by our president)','',0,'gA==','1ewtqm3j',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3576,835,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089410834,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','- a quote from president Bush, who was in Lancaster Pa today.\r\n\r\n\"A job of a president is to confront problems, not to leave them for the next president or the next generation\" -G.W. Bush\r\n\r\n\r\nI wish the president of hpoca had the same mind-set as the President of the United States!!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\n\r\nIf G.W. was here he\'d be a Renegade toooo....I betcha! <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->  <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'gA==','3538pn1r',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3577,835,3,88,0,'4.155.57.27',1089420039,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Wonder if our president is one of them darn liberals??????  <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: -->','',0,'gA==','d3lf01t9',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3579,838,1,140,0,'216.95.136.145',1089565828,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Plows','I was at a show yesterday and bought an old book. It is furnished by International harvester Company and it is titled Repairs Catalog for OLIVER Plows and Cultivators. At the top is a No. 2-OP on it\r\n  It covers walking plows Sulky Plows, Gang Plows, Disk Plows, and Engine Gas Plows.  It is very old, does anyone the approximate time era of it. There is no dates on it what so all.\r\n\r\n Thanks <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'gA==','1yz742sc',1,0,'',140,0,0),(3582,835,3,98,0,'209.51.206.89',1089595653,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: --> I\'d be more than happy to sign too.So count me in.','',0,'gA==','y3fz6vec',1,0,'',98,0,0),(3583,835,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1089607643,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I\'ll sign it.  I\'m tired of the stupid games the current administration is playing.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'gA==','2kei9cea',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3584,831,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1089608374,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Larry,\r\n    You ask why is the president not answering our questions?  IMHO, because he has something to hide.  What?  I don\'t really know?  Could he be embezzling funds?  Could he be up to crooked dealing for \"ill gotten gains?\"  Could he be just plain ignorant?  I don\'t know.  I would hope that all of us could hold a fellow Oliver collector to a higher status.  But with all of his hiding, it really makes me wonder?\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'gA==','2mthl3qx',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3585,831,3,374,0,'64.12.116.203',1089649056,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Our BOD','ED...\r\n\r\nAlthough we are all frustrated with the lack of response from our BOD...the remarks in your post are crossing the line...\r\n\r\nAlthough they seem to be non-accusatory....anything that can be construed as such will just cause any of us more problems down the road !!\r\n\r\nI am sure they feel that we(renegades) are a small faction out of a group of 6000+ members and that if they keep us on ignore we will eventually go away.....they are supported by a greater number than us(the silent majority of older members) that keep them in office and have created a fortress that at present we can\'t penetrate.\r\n\r\nThere are alot of members out there that support our efforts as well as support them....all have chosen not to get involved for whatever reason and sit back reading their magazine and vote once a year!!\r\n\r\nWe need to figure out a way to get us together on a more formal basis,maybe then some of the sideliners will see that we are organized,on a mission and we would gain more support from the neutrals.They will also see that we are not trolling the net to pounce on anyone that has something derogatory to say about us,Sherry,etc.\r\n\r\nI am as frustrated with this as much as anyone else and wish that I had more time to devote to the club,but at present I can\'t.\r\n\r\nMaybe editing or rewording your post will get the point across,rather than raise the hackles on their neck for unintentional reasons....\r\n\r\nRenegade Ed Brandt <!-- s8) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\"8)\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s8) -->','',0,'gA==','11lewkjx',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3586,840,3,465,0,'204.32.114.93',1089653235,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Renegades: I need your help.','I would like to find someone from Oh, IN, or Ill who would like to go to the Summer show and meeting. Need someone to share driving and maybe help with gas. I\'m a non smoker. Would like to try to organize proxy votes to take to the meeting. Contact me by PM.\r\n\r\n                      Keith M.','',0,'gA==','2a86kvt4',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3587,831,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089659560,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I won\'t mention who I got this quote from to protect him from any ill effects by his friends.\r\n\r\n\r\n          -I don\'t know all of the details of the whole thing, and I\'m not sure as I ever want to. But I do know this, a little communication can go a long way. I\'m not impressed with the board\'s lack of reply to your questions. I try to answer all legitimate questions, because i have found that if you don\'t tell people what\'s going on, what they conjure up in their heads ends up being worse than truth.   -unidentified member\r\n\r\nThank you for the kind note and your name is safe with me!!!!!\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\n\r\nC-mon help the Renegades fix the club. I\'ve got plenty of good response on my post above.    With all members working together we maybe able to salvage the club. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','169desqc',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3589,841,3,238,0,'205.188.116.144',1089689989,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Votes needed','To all who are not renewing their membership, I\'d like to ask that you reconsider and renew for one year. Your votes may be needed. \r\nQuitting is EXACTLY what they want us to do. Just walk away and leave them have their way, with absolutly no interferance. I\'ve NEVER walked away from a fight and I don\'t intend to now.     Join me ands stay!!!\r\n                                                                   Larry Coltrin 10010535','',0,'gA==','1blypdt2',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3590,841,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1089693715,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Larry, you are right.  If you don\'t re up, you can\'t vote.  If you cant vote they have the upper hand.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'gA==','3ndbtxg4',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3591,831,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1089694617,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: Our BOD','[quote=&quot;NYSOliver&quot;:2karvrd2]ED...\n\nAlthough we are all frustrated with the lack of response from our BOD...the remarks in your post are crossing the line...\n\nAlthough they seem to be non-accusatory....anything that can be construed as such will just cause any of us more problems down the road !!\n\nI am sure they feel that we(renegades) are a small faction out of a group of 6000+ members and that if they keep us on ignore we will eventually go away.....they are supported by a greater number than us(the silent majority of older members) that keep them in office and have created a fortress that at present we can\'t penetrate.\n\nThere are a lot of members out there that support our efforts as well as support them....all have chosen not to get involved for whatever reason and sit back reading their magazine and vote once a year!!\n\nWe need to figure out a way to get us together on a more formal basis,maybe then some of the sideliners will see that we are organized,on a mission and we would gain more support from the neutrals.They will also see that we are not trolling the net to pounce on anyone that has something derogatory to say about us,Sherry,etc.\n\nI am as frustrated with this as much as anyone else and wish that I had more time to devote to the club,but at present I can\'t.\n\nMaybe editing or rewording your post will get the point across,rather than raise the hackles on their neck for unintentional reasons....\n\nRenegade Ed Brandt <!-- s8) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\"8)\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s8) -->[/quote:2karvrd2]\r\n\r\n\r\nEd,\r\n     Although I see your point and understand how anything can be mis read or misconstrued, I still stand by the basic point and intention of my note.  I have no idea why Mr Allen chooses not to answer our questions.  I don\'t know his real reasons for silence, maybe he is overworked, who knows?  I do know what I typed are the very questions that go through my mind every time I think about it.  I can only hope that people are basically honest, truly I believe they are.  But I also realize and understand the bitter taste of reality, that some folks are not honest.  God forbid that Terry be one of them.  However the question, \"Why is he ignoring us?\" still begs to be answered.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'gA==','2karvrd2',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3592,841,3,37,0,'65.6.57.246',1089764188,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','votes needed','<!-- s:? --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_confused.gif\" alt=\":?\" title=\"Confused\" /><!-- s:? --> For discussions sake, say I reup, whom am I going to have the opportunity to vote for, I own my own business;although farming seems to be more than a business. I have never had the time and certainly don\'t think that I am going to meet each potential candidate. I think that to reup only perpetuates the situation by giving the BOD a false sense of security that their actions have not had any consequences. Therefore while I would like to help vote these people out or at the very least force them to give answers to the questions that have been listed previously. I still think that the best way to bring forth these answers is to drop the income of the club. Someone will have to give me a real good argument as to why I should have a differing view. \r\n       \r\n\r\n                George Steadman ex #3796','',0,'gA==','1d54uc3a',1,0,'',37,0,0),(3593,841,3,35,0,'68.221.131.124',1089765906,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Vote','39LC is exactly right in that we must stay the course. This organization was a great organization until selfish pride took over. I renewed in May and plan to ride it out. I also whole heartedly support Oliver Heritage and feel that it is the best magazine going. Sherry has done a fantastic job. If we can vote the present board out then we may have a chance of salvaging what is left. Just a thought in that with a new board we as an organization officially support Oliver Heritage and assist in selling subscriptions.\r\n\r\nOliver Renegade\r\nFrank Dodson','',0,'gA==','15kp1ehe',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3594,841,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089828201,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','George,\r\n     What would it take to get you to renew? I am familiar with your situation. Probably a dairy farmer or raise animals of some type. Sure you have limited time to help with local activities... local tractor show, county fair, etc but no time to travel all over tim-buck-tooo for anything. Am I correct so far?\r\n\r\n      Do you have an HPOCA chapter nearby that you can join or maybe you were a member to it while still in HPOCA? \r\n\r\n             I have been running the idea that we the members write up new by-laws for HPOCA. So far in private emails I\'ve gotten good response for the idea and have decided to make it public. \r\n\r\n         Many members are not happy with the outcome or the handling of suggestions by the last by-laws committee. I shouldn\'t say outcome because we the members aren\'t privy to such information as the changes the last committee has made!\r\n          So why don\'t we (the members) write a set of by-laws to offer to HPOCA members for approval. Because this is not an official committee I see no reason for the approval of it by the HPOCA leaders. We will be members offering another choice to other members. \r\n\r\nMy vision for the club is clear and concise. When all is said and done HPOCA chapters will be governing the national club. We must take this idea and grow with it. We need to find a way to give equal say to all the chapters and make HPOCA flexible enough to grow in new unchartered areas.  We must find ways to keep the old mistakes from happening again.\r\n\r\nThis will take many minds working together.  Because I want to see chapters governing HPOCA in the end. I urge chapters to help now in the beginning.   \"Oliver Gang\", the founders of HPOCA--\"Keystone Oliver Collectors\" the latest formed chapter of HPOCA and all in between.  Help give the members back their club. \r\n\r\nI see this way (rewritiing the by-laws) as being a cleaner, more positive way to take back our club. Rather than overthrowing the board at the summer  convention and sit wondering where to go from here!!!\r\n\r\nIf you wish to be apart of rewriting the by-laws of HPOCA. You may email me at  <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dannytabor2000@yahoo.com\">dannytabor2000@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nPlease leave your name, email adress and telephone no.  If you belong to a chapter let me know. If you wish to remain anomynous, let me know as well. Your name will be safe.\r\n\r\nWell what do you think George and everybody. Worth trying for another year?\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nRenegade trying to make a difference! <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','1zn73hxt',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3595,842,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1089829057,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','New by-laws needed. Lets do it!!!','I had written this under  the \"votes needed\" thread in response to George Steadman\'s post. I felt it was important enough to have a thread of its own.     Danny\r\n\r\nGeorge,\r\nWhat would it take to get you to renew? I am familiar with your situation. Probably a dairy farmer or raise animals of some type. Sure you have limited time to help with local activities... local tractor show, county fair, etc but no time to travel all over tim-buck-tooo for anything. Am I correct so far?\r\n\r\nDo you have an HPOCA chapter nearby that you can join or maybe you were a member to it while still in HPOCA?\r\n\r\nI have been running the idea that we the members write up new by-laws for HPOCA. So far in private emails I\'ve gotten good response for the idea and have decided to make it public.\r\n\r\nMany members are not happy with the outcome or the handling of suggestions by the last by-laws committee. I shouldn\'t say outcome because we the members aren\'t privy to such information as the changes the last committee has made!\r\nSo why don\'t we (the members) write a set of by-laws to offer to HPOCA members for approval. Because this is not an official committee I see no reason for the approval of it by the HPOCA leaders. We will be members offering another choice to other members.\r\n\r\nMy vision for the club is clear and concise. When all is said and done HPOCA chapters will be governing the national club. We must take this idea and grow with it. We need to find a way to give equal say to all the chapters and make HPOCA flexible enough to grow in new unchartered areas. We must find ways to keep the old mistakes from happening again.\r\n\r\nThis will take many minds working together. Because I want to see chapters governing HPOCA in the end. I urge chapters to help now in the beginning. \"Oliver Gang\", the founders of HPOCA--\"Keystone Oliver Collectors\" the latest formed chapter of HPOCA and all in between. Help give the members back their club.\r\n\r\nI see this way (rewritiing the by-laws) as being a cleaner, more positive way to take back our club. Rather than overthrowing the board at the summer convention and sit wondering where to go from here!!!\r\n\r\nIf you wish to be apart of rewriting the by-laws of HPOCA. You may email me at <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:dannytabor2000@yahoo.com\">dannytabor2000@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->\r\n\r\nPlease leave your name, email adress and telephone no. If you belong to a chapter let me know. If you wish to remain anomynous, let me know as well. Your name will be safe.\r\n\r\nWell what do you think George and everybody. Worth trying for another year?\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nRenegade trying to make a difference!  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','1e3nkgvs',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3597,841,3,238,0,'152.163.253.2',1089864559,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','','Well done Danny, an excellent approach!\r\nClubs are not supposed to be run as a democratic society, protecting individual rights, nor should they ever be run as a tyranny, with every move sensored and controlled by a few, as we are now. Clubs are republics, governed by the masses. By popular vote, and this would be a great way to guarentee that our club remains in the hands of the membership forever.\r\nMore members see every day that in the grand scheme of their plan, firing Sherry and ignoring Landis Zimmerman enough to get his resignation were just small obsticles in their effort to gain total control. That makes it even harder to swallow!\r\nHow about it chapter officers?, or other members, lets not enable [u:oex1j1jb]anyones\'[/u:oex1j1jb] clique to take control of the HPOCA from the general membership again!                         Sincerly and respectfully submitted,\r\n                                  Larry Coltrin #10010535:P  :P','',0,'AQ==','oex1j1jb',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3599,843,1,642,0,'66.52.109.42',1090107622,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver 60 rebuild kit','<!-- s:roll: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif\" alt=\":roll:\" title=\"Rolling Eyes\" /><!-- s:roll: --> im looking for a rebuild kit for my oliver 60. can anyone help me in finding one? thanks,  tim','',0,'AQ==','2lznapre',1,0,'',642,0,0),(3600,843,1,627,0,'205.188.116.144',1090115985,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','rebuild kit','Have you tried Korves 618-939-8772 or your local ARGO dealer','',0,'AQ==','3r57ezkf',1,0,'',627,0,0),(3601,844,1,642,0,'66.52.109.86',1090193950,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver 60 side curtains wanted','im looking for a set of side curtains for my 60 row crop. email me if you have some for sale.  thanks,  tim :','',0,'AQ==','1z3fsv49',1,0,'',642,0,0),(3602,841,3,465,0,'4.225.88.20',1090245693,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Larry, \r\n  \r\n  Just call me vindictive. if I drop my membership I can\'t vote.  So what do I do? I call Pat Ertl of Antique Power and tell him Why I\'m not renewing his magazine.\r\n  He said he was staying out of the politics of the HPOCA. Hey if your making money from the board who will not answer our questions,  I\'ll spend my money elsewhere till they answer our questions. And said so.\r\n\r\nKeith M.','',0,'AQ==','2de2imy6',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3603,845,2,629,0,'63.71.120.26',1090250227,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hart Parr and Oliver manuals listed on EBAY','I see there is a bunch of original Hart-Parr and old original Oliver manuals listed for sale on Ebay this week. Thought I would let on of you literature collectors know in case you want to bring them to the summer show.  <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'AQ==','3ipalyg0',1,0,'',629,0,0),(3604,846,1,629,0,'63.71.120.26',1090250429,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Someonre is selling old Hart Parr &amp; Oliver manuals','I see there is a bunch of old original Hart-Parr and original Oliver manuals listed for sale on Ebay this week. Thought I would let one of you literature collectors know in case you want to bring them to the summer show.  <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'AQ==','j5iqcoo2',1,0,'',629,0,0),(3605,841,3,614,0,'64.12.116.20',1090289844,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I   have always been one that has tried to fight from within ( I think thats called  beeing a sort of  terrorist but anyway)   I just wander how any of us RENEGADES get on the  ballot?  I mean don\'t the board hold sway on those that run?','',0,'AQ==','244nkiqa',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3609,841,3,10611,0,'209.153.142.136',1090426017,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','[quote=&quot;Keith M.&quot;:13kl43su]Larry, \n  \n  Just call me vindictive. if I drop my membership I can\'t vote.  So what do I do? I call Pat Ertl of Antique Power and tell him Why I\'m not renewing his magazine.\n  He said he was staying out of the politics of the HPOCA. Hey if your making money from the board who will not answer our questions,  I\'ll spend my money elsewhere till they answer our questions. And said so.\n\nKeith M.[/quote:13kl43su]\r\n\r\nKeith, you\'re vindictive alright. \r\n\r\nPat is doing what he was contracted to do. It\'s not his place to get involved in what goes on in this club. And I also feel that if he did take a stand, he would alienate more people. You\'d then be saying \'stay out of our business\'. \r\n\r\nAs long as you are going to such lengths, maybe you should find out who supplies the paper for both the HPOC and AP.  Why stop there, find out who grows the trees. They should be willing to take a stand. My point is, if you have trouble with the HPOCA, there are ways to make changes with out having to draw in people that are just doing their jobs. \r\n\r\nBy the way, I wasn\'t too familiar with Antique Power until we took this job. But I have been very impressed with what I have seen. Last I heard they have somewhere close to 50,000 subscribers. I\'m guessing that your one subscription isn\'t going to make a world of difference, especially since I am going to subscribe now.','',0,'gA==','13kl43su',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3610,850,3,10611,0,'209.153.142.136',1090426541,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Magazine status.','As fate would have it, there was a breakdown at the printer, and the addresses couldn\'t be printed on the poly bags until it was fixed. Because of this, the magazine, while printed on time, was not mailed until Tuesday, July 20th.\r\n\r\nWe apologize for the delay. \r\n\r\nWe would like to know when you get your copy so we can see how fast this mailing gets out to the members.\r\n\r\nThanks for your understanding.','',0,'gA==','1ehrx2ap',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3611,851,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1090436081,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Your opinions?','Should HPOCA be governed by chapters,  giving each chapter a board seat would make for a large board of directors. So the suggestion of dividing HPOCA into districts was brought up. Each district containing 2 or more chapters. The chapters within the district will elect a representative for the HPOCA board. One board member per district.\r\n\r\nWell your thoughts and opinions are important.\r\nDanny #747\r\nRenegade <!-- s8) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\"8)\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s8) -->','',0,'gA==','19vu0bl9',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3612,851,3,88,0,'4.155.69.121',1090446719,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','It sounds like an idea to me. The way it is once the board members have the position the don\'t have to be responsive to anyone except themselves. It\'s quite obvious the way things have become that a lot of changes need to made so this never happens again. I guess I\'ll ask, but already know the answer,,,,,,,Anyone heard from \"our\" president? Or has anyone heard from any of the board members?','',0,'gA==','2asxe2vh',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3613,841,3,65,0,'216.183.132.179',1090538043,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Antique Power Magazine','Antique power magazine a great one! Especially since they printed a nice article on our show here in canada last summer. Page 58 -59 you can\'t buy advertizing like that but you can earn it! Come on north Aug 20 21 22 2004 featuring MM and antique fire trucks!  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->','',0,'gA==','299278fb',1,0,'',65,0,0),(3614,802,1,308,0,'66.59.103.145',1090540905,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Super 77 gasoline,  42.3 belt hp corrected.  Mine dynos close to 100(usually on high side), we pulled a 2 row FOX chopper, 4-16\" drag type moldboard plows(IH # 60\'s), 12 foot tandem disc.  Plows in 3rd and 4th, disc in 5th.  It was used a few time on a 6-36\" AC 333 no-til planter, ran it easy.    \"Killer\" when feeling good is fierce.\r\n[img:1tzv5xgf]http&#58;//photos&#46;imageevent&#46;com/vprb/russmclucasalbum/websize/Oliver%20unloading%20corn%202002&#46;jpg[/img:1tzv5xgf]\r\nBy the way that is a 10 inch by 51 foot auger and it is run full. With ease.','',0,'CA==','1tzv5xgf',1,0,'',308,0,0),(3615,841,3,88,0,'4.155.69.177',1090546373,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','After reading the post made by our magazine editor, I was a bit surprised that he said he wasn\'t very familiar with Antique Power:\r\n\r\n\"By the way, I wasn\'t too familiar with Antique Power until we took this job. But I have been very impressed with what I have seen. Last I heard they have somewhere close to 50,000 subscribers. I\'m guessing that your one subscription isn\'t going to make a world of difference, especially since I am going to subscribe now.\"\r\n\r\nKinda makes you wonder why someone who edits a tractor magazine (HPOCA) hadn\'t subscribed to what is probably the leading magazine for this hobby,,,,,,just my observations though.','',0,'CA==','qz5sa0fu',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3616,841,3,110,0,'205.188.116.10',1090556696,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Antique power does not have 50,000 subscribers. 35,000, maybe 36,000, but they are an excellent publication for sure and growing like crazy.   Hey Grant, all those Farmall. john deere and assorted others did a lot of boohooin the last couple year about the olivers sweepin the pulls at your great show. Dosent sound like their luck is about to change with an army of minnie moes converging on Bruce county, does it? <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->','',0,'CA==','1xi5gzi1',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3617,802,1,96,0,'216.201.29.219',1090591486,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 77','So what did you do to find the other 50 plus horsepower?','',0,'CA==','2f93mf1l',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3618,850,3,459,0,'67.250.226.54',1090614117,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','\r\nChris:\r\n\r\nJust wanted to let you know I got my magazines today, Friday July 23rd, in Iowa. My wife &amp; I are looking forward to reading them tonight. From just glancing over them when the mail came, it looks like another fantastic issue.\r\n\r\nOliver66','',0,'Ag==','12snsneq',1,0,'',459,0,0),(3619,852,1,43,0,'158.247.216.54',1090632091,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 77\'s for Kansas Turnpike','I just bought a 1956 super 77 that was purchased new by the Kansas Turnpike with a Danco belly mower. Does anyone have information about the ones supplied to the turnpike?\r\nThanks,\r\nGeoffrey','',0,'Ag==','1bnq8sg0',1,0,'',43,0,0),(3620,841,3,465,0,'4.225.5.50',1090768493,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\n \r\n  I have one thing to say to you, [b:66l70dft]It\'s My Money.[/b:66l70dft] \r\n \r\n It is nice to see Pat joined our board. If you go back to just before our Winter Get Together Pat, and take the time to read some of the reasons we are so upset you might understand things. I know your a businessman, got to do what\'s best for business. I know where you are coming from, but do you know where I\'m coming from.\r\n No question yours is the best mag. out there. I even suggested to Chris he take a look at  AP to see what the best really is.\r\n Right now Oliver Heritage ranks an A just below your A+. It deals more with what I am interested in, so my money now goes to Sherry.\r\n Hey, the politics of it all, you may not want my money, thats your right also.\r\n  Also Pat. we Renegades as the board started calling us, log in under our names and not as guests or as our board likes to do [b:66l70dft]HIDDEN[/b:66l70dft]\r\n\r\n Thanks again for taking my call\r\n  Keith M.','',0,'QA==','66l70dft',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3621,841,3,10611,0,'209.153.174.215',1090812039,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','[quote=&quot;Cookieoliverman&quot;:mh2j13px]Antique power does not have 50,000 subscribers. 35,000, maybe 36,000, but they are an excellent publication for sure and growing like crazy.[/quote:mh2j13px]\r\n\r\nBob, \r\n\r\nI don\'t know where you are getting your numbers, but I got mine from Pat back in February, and he said they were around 48,000. That\'s pretty close to 50,000 as far as I am concerned.','',0,'gA==','mh2j13px',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3622,850,3,12,0,'69.128.202.188',1090848178,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Recieved Magazine!','I received my magazine on Saturday, July 24th. I havn\'t had time to read all the articles yet. Maybe I can hold out and save for vacation! WB.','',0,'gA==','1xatnztx',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3623,850,3,47,0,'12.64.127.58',1090850048,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','The magazine has yet to make it to WV. This causes me great concern, along with other factors. When the issue date was pushed forward 15 days, this made having a legal election a time issue, let me explain. Elected positions take effect on the first day of January. According to the bylaws, the ballots must be sent out 40 days prior to tally. Normally the tally is in the middle of December to avoid conflict with the holidays, this worked well with an issue date of the first of November, which put us in the 40 to 45 day timeframe. When we moved the issue date forward 15 days, it put us between Christmas and New Years. Now, I am told the high tech machinery, that does things so well, that we have no option but to accept their scheduling, broke, which added another 5 days to these factors? Don\'t try to tell me it won\'t break again, because the point that this sophisticated machinery can break, and disrupt our scheduling has already been proven, it is a proven fact! Now, where does that leave us come election time, the machine breaks, and it takes 6 days to get the parts? I\'ll tell you where, a contestable election, because it would not comply with the bylaws. What is your suggestion for a solution to this problem? My solution would be to back up the issue date 30 days, that would eliminate the potential for this problem. I have brought up this point before.\r\nAs far as the issue of the magazine being late, you did your job, you did what you are paid to do, and I will assume that it was done well, as in the past. You are not responsible for this problem. But since you jumped in with both feet, you have opened yourself up to flak which you shouldn\'t have to deal with. Prompt issue of the magazine is the responsibility of Driveline Publishing, as such, it should be Pat Ertel that is out here coppin\' deuces and making excuses. It is his baby, he needs to change the diapers!!!!\r\nTake Care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','1svqa7cp',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3624,853,3,47,0,'12.64.127.58',1090861051,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Checking in','I was checking my messages, I do that every couple of weeks or so. I decided perhaps it might be OK to look in on this forum. Since I did, I decided it might be OK to comment. There seems to be some concern as to what is going on with the bylaws, so, I will try to touch on some high points.\r\nAs the proposal has developed, the major concern is to empower the membership. The main way we will propose to accomplish this is thru elected directors, we propose to elect all directors, thru normal election procedure, just like the officers, with the exception of the membership director. Larry Widner proposed that we change the membership committee to the membership and chapter coordination committee, and his proposal was accepted. The method of filling this position will be as follows; Each chapter will have a seat made available to them on the membership and chapter coordination committee. Chapters who wish representation on this committee will send a representative to fill their seat. This committee will meet and from representatives in attendance, shall nominate and elect a chairman. This chairman shall serve on the board of directors as the director of membership and chapter coordination. As with any committee, they will meet as reasonable and seasonable, when there are matters of concern which should be addressed, and make reports, or recommendations, to the board, and to the membership. We looked closely at the issue of chapter representation, as well as overepresentation. Taking into account that every member has one vote, regardless of chapter affiliation, there is the issue of fairness to all members. So, this becomes an issue of finding a balancing point that accomodates the contribution of chapters, with the need to treat members equally, and fairly. For those who are not aware, Larry is the President of The Oliver Gang, and one of the strongest advocates of chapter representation. But, his trademark has to be fairness, I have known him many years, when the question of equality and fairness is brought up, no matter what position he has taken, he will rethink, and he will seek fairness. This was wholly his proposal, after looking at all fiqures and factors, it was accepted. I am also a chapter President, I agree with this proposal, and find it to be an excellent balance of powers.\r\nNominations; This was brought to my attention by Doug Grandy, and we had several discussions on the matter, on this website. As we currently are doing can be considered normal and proper in most organizations, yet, when the President appoints a nominations committee, that committee would in effect serve at the pleasure of the President, just like other appointments. So, after much discussion and debate, we came up with a proposal which I felt comfortable with addressing to the bylaws committee. This proposal empowers the membership in the following manner: We have eliminated appointed nominating committees. What we will propose is to seek volunteers, during the membership meeting at the WGT. The number will be either 3 or 5, depending on available volunteers. If more than 3 and less than 5, or if more than 5 volunteers are available, they will decide amongst themself a method of drawing lots, to fill the highest number of available seats. By drawing lots, the definition would be some fair method using luck or skill, which is fast, fair, and in public view. An example would be drawing straws or pitching pennies, but is not limited to just these methods, any suitable method can be used, even cutting cards. The method would be at the disgression of the majority of the volunteers. After a nominating committee is seated, they will seek willing qualified nominees in a variety of methods, thru communication of normal means, a.e. mail, personal, electronic, advertising, etc. Once they build a slate, the committee chair, will announce the slate, at the Summer Show. At this time nominations from the floor will be accepted, and included on the slate. Once there appears to be no more nominations from the floor, the nominations committee chairman will ask 3 times, \'Are there any more nominations from the floor?\', giving sufficient time for response each time. If there are nominations, these will be included on the slate, until such time as the chair gets no response, 3 consecutive times. At this time the chair will make the following statement, \'If there are no more nominations, the chair will entertain a motion that nominations be closed.\' If there are more nominations, the chair must continue to repeat this procedure, until such time as all members are satisfied that there are no more nominations. A motion, second, and affirmative vote of the majority of voting membership present will be required to close nominations. At this time the slate will be filed with the Secretary, and must be included in it\'s entirity on the annual ballot. This proposal has been accepted by the bylaws committee, and will be included in proposed bylaws changes.\r\n With these proposed changes will come a need for additional willing candidates. Currently, I am working with the committee to create solutions for this need. To make available opportunities for members to serve on committees, and to create subcommittee positions to give members opportunity to serve, and gain experiences, as well as to stay current on issues. Members who serve on committees are more likely to find a benefit in participation, as well as to be effective in an elected position.\r\n Another issue I am working on is to build a mechanism which would allow an endowment trust fund for our association. This would basically take any excess revenue, and allow for investment, creating interest and dividend revenue, which would help stabilize our revenue against inflation. This is something we should be looking at as a long term solution. There are other issues financially related for the short term that I am working on, which can increase stability, perhaps there will be enough time to work this out, but it is not in the front burner, yet.\r\n Our committee\'s front burner issues are to empower the membership, and give fair and just representation, if the only thing accomplished is to propose means to do this, the committee will have done a good and honorable service to the association, any other accomplishments would be secondary. \r\n Well, I guess this is enough for now, taking into account that I was wanting to be in Atlanta today, I might make it by midnight! There are other comments I would like to make on various issues, but, that will need to come later!!!\r\nTake Care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','3kj86pal',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3625,851,3,47,0,'12.64.127.58',1090866187,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','I looked at that a few years ago, and at that time thought it would be workable. Since then, I have been placed in a position where I must be able to see the whole picture, not just what would be of benefit to me and the chapter I represent. Originally it appears to be a great idea, then comes the factor of fair and just representation. Under your proposal, only chapter members would have representation on the board of directors, all other members would have no representation at all. There is no fairness or justice at all to this. Something we as a society advocate is we all pay dues, we are all equal! To deny representation for lack of chapter affiliation, while advocating equality of members would be hypocrisy at it\'s worst. I posted the proposal which will be proposed in bylaws changes concerning chapter representation. This proposal gives just representation for chapters, without denying fair representation to members.\r\nAs to where President Allen is? I would guess mowing grass or setting up tents. I talked to him 2 or 3 weeks ago, he bought a lawn care service, in addition to his rental company. This is his busy season, he rents lots of tents this time of year, and with his new grass mowing venture, I imagine he is busier that a cat covering you know what!','',0,'gA==','wvj6rqin',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3626,851,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1090876690,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','What is this proposal you proposed in the supposed by-laws changes??? Please break it down for us!!! This should not be a mystery, nor a surprise at the summer convention!   What changes have been made that effect chapters?\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nRenegade','',0,'gA==','2dxc6tjl',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3627,851,3,88,0,'4.155.93.182',1090878455,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','After reading Andy\'s post , I\'m thinking maybe Terry Allen is just too busy to be president of HPOCA. I guess that would explain why he has no time to respond to the members questions.','',0,'gA==','14nbq5c4',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3628,851,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1090880357,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Oh, I know that poor, pooor man. Why not only does he rent tents but cuts grass. I just don\'t know how he can find time to be president of HPOCA. Not only that but also to appoint himself as president of the HPO Foundation. Why would he even do that?   Oh that poor poor man!!! <!-- s:cry: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cry.gif\" alt=\":cry:\" title=\"Crying or Very sad\" /><!-- s:cry: -->  <!-- s:roll: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif\" alt=\":roll:\" title=\"Rolling Eyes\" /><!-- s:roll: --> \r\n\r\nAndy, you don\'t have to answer my above questions. I wasn\'t impressed with the way you handled the by-laws or yourself in the past. I can\'t see that there is anything you can say or do to change my mind.. \r\n\r\nThis may surprise you but there are more members who don\'t belong to chapters emailing me in support of a chapter run board then there are members belonging to chapters.  I guess if you think about it its not really surprising at all, especially when they say they\'d like to establish or join a chapter  in their area should this go through!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747\r\nRenegade...sure <!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P -->','',0,'gA==','1lrl4tcj',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3629,851,3,47,0,'12.65.1.74',1090880853,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: Danny','I posted \'checking in\' on this forum, you will find the proposal you seek there. It is not my proposal, but a committee proposal, remember, I am just the chair. I like it that way, too, all I have to do is preside. To simplify the info for you, of the 4 director positions, one will be filled according to the will of the majority of chapter representatives, and must be a chapter representative. The other 7 current positions will be elected by popular vote of the membership. 3 directors, 4 officers, for a total of 8 positions, the other position of Past President will remain with only a slight change. This will be changed to an officer, rather than a director, and designated as an Ex-officio position. Pretty simple huh? I gotta go, supposed to been in Atlanta this morning, guess I\'ll be a day late and a dollar short!!!\r\nTake Care!! Andy','',0,'gA==','fu81ynm1',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3630,851,3,47,0,'12.65.1.74',1090881871,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: Danny','Don\'t worry your little head one bit about me trying to impress anybody. That is not my goal, as a matter of fact it only gets in the way. My goal is to get the job done, and done right! This will be accomplished. Then it is up to the members to accept or reject. Oh, by the way, today I was accused of being a Renegade. I\'m not buying. Just want to be somewhere in the middle, and let the others address their own concerns. Don\'t worry about how I handle myself, I can still rumble!\r\nTake Care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','393cvv5s',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3631,851,3,88,0,'4.155.69.203',1090887719,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Somehow Andy, you don\'t strike me as a guy who is anywhere near the middle. And as far as you being a renegade, I can\'t see how anyone could say that. If one looks back and reads your posts on the \"hot topics\" on this forum it is quite clear that you don\'t come anywhere close to the renegades point of view. \r\n\r\nAnyway Andy, nice to see that you are alive and well, we were beginning to get concerned about you, having been so long since you were active here. Have a good trip to Atlanta,,,,,,better a bit late than never, as they say......','',0,'gA==','258qp6me',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3632,851,3,238,0,'149.174.164.66',1090902978,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Am I wrong in thinking that the board members are appointed by the elected administration?, please fill me in if I am. And if I\'m right, what is \"fair\" to the general membership about that? \r\nAndy, We\'ve never met, and I respect everyones opinion whether I agree or not, but I still am wondering why no one from the board, or you as chair of the bylaw committee haven\'t posted a preview of the \"proposed changes\".  I read your past post and it was a little vague to me, and didn\'t seem to cover the changes at large. I s there something in them that may upset a specific group in the club? I\'m sure everyone in the club would like to see what good work the bylaw committee has been doing these past months.\r\nAlso, as I posted earlier, a club is a republic, governed by the masses, not a democratic society designed to protect individuals. I do not belong to a chapter at this time but would be delighted to see the clubs chapters more involved, so your \"infringing on someones rights\" is all wet! The object of our involvement is not to bring HPOCA to it\'s knees, but to change things so that NOBODYS\' CLIQUE CAN REIGN SOVERN POWER ON THIS CLUB AGAIN!! \r\nHow about it; can we have a preview of whats coming? Your the man!!!\r\n                                               Respectfully submitted, Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','1c0s85xu',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3633,851,3,374,0,'205.188.116.144',1090925809,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Larry,\r\n      You are right and the fairness to the membership is certainly in question.This is how they are bolstered in office.This is not an election of individuals to office,but an election of an association of peers that is supported by the silent majority.To expand a little further....the election of the BOD for the foundation....the current Board????\r\n\r\n       As far as the bylaws are concerned,there is no committee meeting,Andy solicits input from the membership and him and Harley sort through it over morning biscuits.If they are approved by this committee they are then brought in tow to the meeting such as Lancaster this year.Twenty minutes prior to the meeting Andy and his one other member\r\ngo to their room(since the closet was already reserved) and scratch out the changes that they think need be presented.\r\n\r\n        I am sure that Andy does read all sent to him and is certainly knowlegable in this area,however this is no way to run a committee as important as this,for an organization this size.As well,trying to get that million mile mark on his truck won\'t support time to do all the work himself.\r\n\r\n        You won\'t see copies of changes,or presentations because they don\'t do them till just prior to the meeting(s).This is something that definitely has to change.Since we don\'t have an appropriate structure to change the bylaws and present them in a timely manner(as Andy questions in his other post),how can we get them changed???\r\n\r\nEd Brandt','',0,'gA==','212qmgfn',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3634,851,3,305,0,'209.107.194.23',1091021308,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','My opinion is that the HPOCA has done a very good job over the years. The organization is strong, the collection and restoration of Olivers is bigger than ever, and the winter/summer shows bring people together from all around the world. The magazine is getting better, and shows seem to bring in more people. It seems like this board as well as boards in the past have really lived up to their mission. Again, my opinion, the most negative thing about the organization right now is the negative post and continued rhetoric by a few of you guys here. It seems like nothing satisfies you guys and all you can be is negative. I wish there were by-laws to ban your negativity as conduct detrimental to the growth and spirit of the organization. Unlike many of you, the President has been very professional by not attacking peoples character, or personal attacks. And no, I\'m not one of the in-crowd, nor have I ever met any of the board members personally. But I do respect their decisions and judgments in governing the HPOCA. Most of us like Olivers, Hart-Parr, and Cockshutts. Thats why we are in it.','',0,'gA==','1du0e88o',1,0,'',305,0,0),(3635,851,3,88,0,'4.155.123.36',1091023093,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','To Leo, you obviously don\'t really know what has been going on. To say that you would like to have negative opinions banned shows you don\'t understand the democratic process at all. If you had witnessed the goings on at the winter comvention in Lancaster, maybe you would see things differently.','',0,'gA==','3uwj2uzg',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3636,854,1,140,0,'216.95.136.185',1091063434,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Overseas Buyers','Has anyone had any dealings with overseas buyers? What kind a response and payments did you get?\r\n\r\n  Thanks','',0,'gA==','uxkn9446',1,0,'',140,0,0),(3637,854,1,144,0,'169.207.136.180',1091098636,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','overseas buyer','I sold a tractor to a gentleman in Northern Ireland, he responded by email,and sent me a wire transfer. he had the trucking arranged.','',0,'gA==','3opajgh3',1,0,'',144,0,0),(3638,850,3,40,0,'149.174.164.66',1091100897,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nThe magazine made it to Princeton, Illinois yesterday.  Great 770 on the cover.\r\n\r\nWe also have a \"flattop.\"  Did Oliver paint any of the 770 light inserts white?  I know most them were made during the 1800/1600 era so it follows that the 770 would have been green, but the later ones were made after the \"50\" series was introduced.  Since we have quite a few of the \"50\" series we went ahead and painted the 770\'s inserts white also.  We think it looks better even if it is not original.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','3cvhaty2',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3639,855,5,40,0,'149.174.164.66',1091101485,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Articles of Incorporation','Chris:\r\n\r\nWe have the by-laws on the website.  Do you think it would be possible to also put the aritcles of incorporation on here?\r\n\r\nThanks.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','r8pfk7ot',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3640,850,3,88,0,'4.155.123.61',1091104014,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','No magazine yet in western Pa. Funny how Oliver Heritage has arrived before it was supposed to <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> . Maybe they use a different US post office?','',0,'gA==','2gi6sfli',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3641,854,1,43,0,'158.247.216.18',1091132826,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Overseas Buyers','Be warned that a lot of them are scams. Sure there are honest buyers too. Just don\'t take a cashiers check for more than the purchase price and forward the remainder to the shipper via money order, etc. That seems to be the most common scam.','',0,'gA==','8m4n186j',1,0,'',43,0,0),(3642,850,3,144,0,'169.207.136.211',1091135935,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','No Magazine!!!!!!!!','No magazine in Wisconsin yet!!  looking forward to the August/ Sept issue\r\nbecause July is over already!!!! Have you thought of backing the issue up a month so it is mailed on the 15th before the month its dated for?','',0,'gA==','z99hwceg',1,0,'',144,0,0),(3643,850,3,374,0,'205.188.116.144',1091142559,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','magazine','July 29th and no magazine in upstate NY............','',0,'gA==','bv2mv7e2',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3644,856,1,627,0,'205.188.116.68',1091155277,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','IS IT WORTH ANYMORE','About 6 weeks ago I took my 1650 gas Oliver to a shop who said he would replace my rod and main bearings for around $500.00 And I said great because parts would cost me about $375.00. So 3 weeks later I went to pick up my tractor and the bill was $908.70 The next day the clutch went out, so I took it to a different shop and they said they would have to pull the motor. So I said it would be the right time to replace the rear main seal. Picked up the tractor a week later $1410.40 got the tractor home last night and today the seal leaks called the tractor dealer and they said that the crank has to much movement and the crank needs to be turned and put in over sized bearings. Paid $4650.00 one year ago, and now I have about $7,000.00 in it, and no better off than 2 months ago. Will the tractor ever be worth it?','',0,'gA==','h53qat7b',1,0,'',627,0,0),(3645,850,3,82,0,'216.106.56.28',1091155885,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Received my magazine today in NorthEast Missouri.','',0,'gA==','2dx0xxdb',1,0,'',82,0,0),(3646,853,3,238,0,'205.188.116.21',1091158605,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy,\r\nWith all due respect, I wonder if you might answer some questions that I have about the proposed changes to the bylaws. \r\nAs I understand it, the proposed changes will be presented to the general membership for ratifaction at the summer show/meeting. Aside from your above post that glossed over some of the changes, and reminding you of the repeated requests on this forum for a complete listing of all the proposed amendments, there has been no response.\r\nHow can we, as the general membership, respond in an intelligent manner when there seemingly will be minutes to digest the changes before a vote is cast?\r\nI just recieved my magazine from the International Aerobatic Club, Sport aerobatics, and there was 2 pages devoted to proposed rule changes. The current rule is listed followed by the proposed amendment, followed by the reasoning for the change and the author of the proposal. These were posted for the general membership 2 months before they are to be voted on.\r\nThe problem at hand is trust. In the course of about 8 months there has been an upwelling of distrust for the current administration. Despite constant pleas and badgering the administration has chosen to completely ignore the general membership. Not a word has been uttered, lending to the distrust.\r\nIt\'s my opinion that YOU, as the chairperson for the bylaw committee should have provided a means by which the general membership was fully informed on the proposed amendments. All of them. You and the current administration have let us down.....again, and I am having a difficult time understanding your concern for \"individual rights\".\r\nPlease feel free to enlighten me.                         Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','1gwnoqo7',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3647,850,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.165',1091193919,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Re: No Magazine!!!!!!!!','[quote=&quot;ol950&quot;:28o6f1wt]No magazine in Wisconsin yet!!  looking forward to the August/ Sept issue\nbecause July is over already!!!! Have you thought of backing the issue up a month so it is mailed on the 15th before the month its dated for?[/quote:28o6f1wt]\r\n\r\nWe agree, this later mailing date just isn\'t cutting it. We have been working with Driveline Publishing, and we are going to start sending them out earlier. By the January, we plan on the issue being mailed by the 1st of the month instead of the 15th. I don\'t know if we want to go back any further, because then we would be shipped the same time as Oliver Heritage, and part of the reason Sherry picked the mailing date she has was so that there was some time between her magazine and the HPOCA magazine.\r\n\r\nOn a related topic. We had heard that if you had more than 5 members in your zip code you will get your magazine quicker, and here\'s the logic. When the printer pre-sorts the magazines, if there are 5 or less for a zip code, they get bundled together with other zip codes from that area (The USPS tells them how to sort them).  If you have 6 or more, your zip code gets its own bag and they don\'t have to get re-sorted somewhere down the line before they get to you. \r\n\r\nWe have seen this work. Before, there were 2 of us in my zip code that got the HPOCA magazine, and it always took 2 weeks from the day it was mailed to reach us. Well, since we became editors, several of our friends and family have joined to get the magazine. This issue only took 1 week to get to us instead of the usual 2 weeks, so it does seem to work. I know there are those of you that don\'t want to help the HPOCA out any further, and that\'s your choice, but for the rest of us, get your neighbors to sign up, you\'ll get your magazine sooner!!!','',0,'gA==','28o6f1wt',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3648,855,5,10611,0,'209.153.160.165',1091194218,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Bill,\r\n\r\nI don\'t have a copy of them that I know of, but I\'ll see if I can round one up and get it on here somewhere. Sounds like a good idea to me.','',0,'gA==','kcj9uc6g',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3649,857,5,465,0,'4.225.95.114',1091200741,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hidden and Guest Users','Chris why do you allow [b:13duqd44]HIDDEN[/b:13duqd44] users? What is the reason for it?Why do you allow [b:13duqd44]Guest[/b:13duqd44] users? How do I become hidden? Why can\'t we make users Identify themselves before using the board? Even just reading it. What I\'m getting at is, right now people can visit the sight and yet can deny they know what is happening in the club.\r\n\r\nKeith','',0,'QA==','13duqd44',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3650,853,3,12,0,'69.128.202.188',1091206401,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Larry I brought up the same point in the past. Will there be enough time for review of the actual proposed changes before the vote? \r\n\r\n   In my \"perfect world\" you would sign in at the show or event and be given a schedule for the weekend and a packet with the important documents such as financial statements, treasurer\'s report and any item to be voted on at the membership meeting. \r\n\r\n   With a sign-in an accurate count on members present could be taken. This could also be used to contact members for more involvement in the club. These members are more likely to commit themselves to serving on committees, candidates for office, etc.\r\n\r\n   The biggest problem I\'ve seen with the Summer show and Winter get-together is LACK OF COMMUNICATION about what is going on. The Organizers of the event do a great job of lining things up and then the ball is dropped for people to take full advantage of what\'s going on.\r\n\r\n   Just a few of my thoughts for what it\'s worth, WB.','',0,'QA==','2kskcbve',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3651,853,3,40,0,'205.188.116.7',1091214295,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I agree with Wrenchbender.  The shows schedule should include the time and place for the board meeting and the general membership meeting.  Copies of things that are to be voted on or discussed at the members meeting should also be provided when you sign in.  A perfect example was the vote at the winter meeting, for the club to donate $10,000 to the new foundation for establishing a museum. I did not feel that I was qualified to vote after the brief explanation that the members received from the president and the limited number of copies of the draft by-laws that were passed around.  Maybe I should have voted no, but instead I just did not vote. \r\n\r\nNow I know that providing copies for the members may be hard to do for some things especially if they are being worked on during the show, e.g. the by-laws at the winter meeting, but for crying out loud they ought to at least have a schedule put together that could be included with the information you get when you sign in.  I\'m not talking about the sponsoring club\'s agenda, I\'m talking about the board.  when I got to the winter meeting the president told me he did not know where or the board and membership meetings  were being held.  Now that they have been true, but if it was it is not very professional.  I know members missed the board meeting and the general membership meeting because they were not aware of the time.  However, everybody knew where and when the banquet was being held, the bus tours were leaving and when the various open houses,e.g. Zimmermans, were being held.  Maybe that is because the club was in charge of those things.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'QA==','3mi5ib7s',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3652,853,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1091243324,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I have to agree with Bill, Larry and Wrench bender.  The General Membership needs time to read and digest the proposed changes, well in advance of the meeting.  I belong to a volunteer Fire Dept and when we have proposed bylaw changes we have them posted at least 3 months before the vote.  I do not propose 3 months but at least post them 2 months in advance.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'QA==','1dkaw4zv',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3653,855,5,40,0,'205.188.116.197',1091247522,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nI have a copy and so do Andy and Terry.  I\'m not sure mine is the latest version ( I believe it is), but I will gladly furnish it to you if you would like.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'QA==','2h86ljt4',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3656,853,3,47,0,'12.65.108.185',1091321756,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','WB, I like that \'perfect world\', of course we know it is not, but it would be nice. Larry, it is very difficult to keep myself updated on things as they progress, I have to refer back to notes, so, I touched on what I consider to be the most important. Most of our work is very dull and boring, an example is we proposed to have the bylaws take precedence over Robert\'s Rules of Order. It is not normal, recommended by Robert\'s, or perferred to have Robert\'s take precedence over bylaws, and is rarely done, Robert\'s is how to run a meeting, bylaws is a guide what an organization needs to do, big difference. But since there are provisions in Robert\'s that we need, changes were necessary to accomodate this. This is commonly known as \'housekeeping\'. And when one provision is changed, it might effect another, so more housekeeping needs to be done, to correct the situation. All this is minor in nature, and makes no great change, but it is a pain in the seat. What will happen in Madison is, at the membership meeting you will be provided with copies of the proposed bylaws, if there is time to prepare it, a synopsis of the proposed changes also. I will give the committee report which will contain the recommended changes to be put on the annual ballot. Perhaps some committee members will wish to address issues, and perhaps you may have questions concerning recommended changes, feel free to ask at that time. At some point, a member will make a motion and second to approve the report, if you feel there is sufficient merit for the proposal to be voted on by all members, you may wish to vote to approve the report, if not, don\'t. I will not encourage any member to vote either way, especially before hearing the report. But, on the other hand, it would be dangerous for me to start addressing issues as though they have cleared committee, when they haven\'t, and we are still working, probably will be right down to the wire! I did include a couple of issues that I am working on, doesn\'t mean they will clear committee, it does mean we are still trying to progress! And all this does take time. I can understand your concern over mistrust, all that was created after I took this committee, so, it just makes my work more challenging is all. There is no such thing as a problem, only the opportunity to create solutions!!! But, I am not going to put something out there, and say I\'m going to deliver, then not. The last time the bylaws were worked on, it took 5 years, no member input was sought, everything was done thru the board, then it went straight to the ballot. I have tried to involve the members, and use a committee, I can only hope it works better than last time. You mentioned somewhere a concern that some clique might not like something, or something of that nature. The only thing I can think of is there are some who support the status quo, and would prefer we just change the address. I knew that going in, and was a major reason for making it a requirement for this committee to serve independently from the board. If the report passes the membership meeting, it will be published in the November issue of the magazine, in plenty of time for ALL member to read and cast a ballot. I would also get Chris to put it somewhere on the website, well in advance of the magazine.\r\nHey Bill Brandt, and WB,\r\nHey guys, it is good to hear from you, I really liked WB\'s article!!!\r\nYou both are touching on a problem that has plaqued us as long as I have been a member. There is always uncertainty about scheduling. This last WGT proved that to me directly. I requested a meeting room for the committee, and was told it wouldn\'t be a problem. What I got made available was the board room, after the board meeting, I guess from 11 pm to 5 am is supposed to be normal. Anyhow not having a responsible person to address schedules has always been a problem. And not always are the rooms prepared either. Did you notice at the WGT the battery in the microphone was dead? If I knew we needed one I would have brought one of mine, I have 6 Shure TV58D wireless, and 3 or 4 Telex wireless, I suppose they could borrow one, if, I know to bring it, heck, I\'d even throw in a couple of cards of batteries! But, I can agree, this is a problem. Going into an unknown place is also a problem, of course a host will take care of their money makers first, that is natural, and a given. So, you go in blind, don\'t know what to expect, and hope for the best. Sometimes things pan out, and a schedule can be set, other times, well who knows. I have been talking about a need for non-voting service officers, perhaps this is something that needs more attention. If we had a Sergeant-at-Arms, he would be responsible to acquire and prepare meeting rooms, this is a normal duty. Perhaps this would allow scheduling. But, I don\'t know, we have had meetings in some unusual places!\r\nThis has been exciting compared to the book keeping I must have ready for my accountant before I leave tomorrow. So, regretfully(you don\'t even know how regretfully), I must go, and do the Excel thing!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','bug2b6iy',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3657,851,3,614,0,'64.12.116.203',1091333672,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','what  leo proposes  is  not allowed in this  country...  we are allowed in the USA to  be critical...  well except when someone  does it to your favorite  President then they can haul you to jail .. ( yes they can)   anyway...\r\n\r\nI  Hate  being  Negative  but  sometimes   you have  to make Noise when stuff is  WRONG  and     THIS  STUFF AINT RIGHT!\r\n\r\nI will say this  Maybe..  there was a change needed  but  dont run and HIDE   TELL EVERYONE THE REAL REASON WHY!  not some made up one or some half truth or  like right now  NOTHING AT ALL!\r\n\r\nWhats  wrong is  NO one wants to listen to any criticism...  and  when things are wrong they need fixed..  STUFF IS WRONG!   lets not throw the \"hpoca\"  out with the  BATH WATER    like the  Moline people did  several  years ago--- (you ever wander why there are 2  MM  newsletters)\r\n\r\nsorry  folks..','',0,'QA==','31s9z2vq',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3658,850,3,614,0,'64.12.116.203',1091334401,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Dang!   I thought the mag was on  time this time I forgot  it  was suppose to be on the 15, I got use to it coming  on the 25th or so ..  so when I got it on the 24th--- I thought  It was on time..\r\n\r\ngee what  a difference perseption makes...','',0,'QA==','itw01p6v',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3659,860,1,650,0,'65.160.86.194',1091378924,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 55 Hydraulic Filter &amp; Breather Element','Looking for the modern day equivalent (Wix, Fram, etc) for the hydraulic oil filter for an early model Super 55 (PN ILA-5351 according to the parts book) (Also, if there is a source for the gaskets/o-rings that make-up the fileter/cartidge assy, it would be much appreciated).  Finally, are the hyd/tran breather elements still available or can the old ones be cleaned up effectively?','',0,'QA==','2okupkny',1,0,'',650,0,0),(3661,855,5,47,0,'12.65.222.169',1091393392,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Bill,','Hey Bill,\r\nThe one you have is a copy of the original filed in Charles City. It has not been changed since filing, so it would be current. If you don\'t mind, please do scan it and e-mail to Chris. I think that would be an excellent idea!\r\nHave a great day, hope to see you in Madison!!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','ovmoqwyk',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3662,850,3,116,0,'66.71.220.192',1091399781,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey Chris,\r\n        I got mine in West Pa. on 7/31, those neat little plastic wrappers saved my issue. The plastic was all torn up but not ascratch on the magazine. By the way great article on the 770.\r\n                                                        Later,\r\n                                                           Todd Kline','',0,'QA==','2hf9ai61',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3663,854,1,47,0,'12.64.120.94',1091400401,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Oliverdude is absolutely correct. There are lots of counterfeit financial documents going around, many coming from overseas, not only in our hobby, but many other things. I have gotten many e-mails wanting me to accept cashiers checks to settle estates, etc. They want me to set up an account, then send someone a check, and keep the rest. Those scams are pretty easy to see thru. Just remember, you don\'t get something for nothing. Luckily, I\'ve consulted my banker, and never been caught!! There are bona fide, legitimate sales done every day, I know of many. If you do make such a deal I would suggest that you hold the tractor until the check clears the issueing financial institution, your banker can assist you in this, and probably would prefer to. Make sure the check is in exactly the agreed amount, all the i\'s are dotted, and t\'s crossed. Then once you have the cash in hand, with no recourse, you would be safe in shipping. Hardly any collectors would be involved in these scams, but a scam artist doesn\'t care what it takes to take your money!!!','',0,'QA==','c9lh0oy2',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3664,850,3,7,0,'64.12.116.203',1091415574,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','REceived my magazine July 29,2004','Your explaination of USPS procedures probably holds water based on my experience Chris. I\'m probably the only member anywhere near Dogtown, only people that live around here know where that is LOL.  Excellent issue, keep up the good work.','',0,'QA==','2x89ixxq',1,0,'',7,0,0),(3665,855,5,10611,0,'209.153.132.43',1091417371,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Bill, if you could email them to me, I\'ll see about getting them added to the web site. If you can\'t, we\'ll figure something out.\r\n\r\nThanks','',0,'QA==','30nnjlvg',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3666,857,5,10611,0,'209.153.132.43',1091419418,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Keith,\r\n\r\nThe forum was set up with the hidden feature turned on by default. All it does is hides whether a person is online or not. Their name still shows up in the member list, but instead of showing the last time they were logged in, it just says hidden. So you can go through the member list and find who has set their status to hidden and who hasn\'t. To become hidden, click on profile in the upper center of any forum page, this will take you to your profile page. In the third section, called preferences, there is a line that says \"Hide your online status\". Check the yes box and then click submit at the bottom of the page and you will now be a hidden user. As admin, I can see everybody, no matter what their status.\r\n\r\nI left the hidden option on pretty much out of curiosity. I though it would be interesting to see how many and who would use it. I can turn it off. It doesn\'t really matter to me. Maybe I\'ll create a poll to see what everybody thinks.\r\n\r\nIf I didn\'t allow guests, only registered users would be able to read the forums, and that just wouldn\'t look good to new visitors. Most would just move on to the next web site.  As to telling what an individual has or hasn\'t read, just becuase they log in, doesn\'t mean they read everything that is posted. Seems there is always room for denial no matter what.\r\n\r\nAnother reason to allow guests is for search engines. I now have these forums set up so that when a search engine comes, they can read the forums and increase our rank. So anytime someone mentions Oliver tractors, or other key words, the search engines will eventually find it and move us up the list for that combination of words. We are visited by Google and MSN several times a day, so thanks for the advertising and support guys!!','',0,'QA==','2iwg5hov',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3667,861,5,10611,0,'209.153.132.43',1091419918,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Hidden status: should I turn it off?','Ok everybody, what do you think? Should I leave the ability to hide your online status on (if you are hidden, your user name does not show up in the list as having visited today when you log in) \r\n\r\nor should I turn it off? (Your username would always be added to today\'s visitors anytime you log on to the forums.)\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nI\'ll run this poll for 2 weeks and we\'ll go from there.','',0,'QA==','3tvkefz9',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3668,853,3,238,0,'205.188.116.68',1091421778,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','????????????\r\n                           Larry Coltrin','',0,'QA==','e9qic4lb',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3669,861,5,105,0,'216.135.44.175',1091460499,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I don\'t see why it is even an option.  I mean seriously...if you have something to hide bad enough that you dont want people to see you sign in???  Grow up.  Be a man and get over yourself.    \r\nI promise...nobody cares as much as you think they do.\r\n\r\nI say turn it off.\r\n\r\nIan\r\n\r\nP.S.  Thanks Chris for asking.','',0,'QA==','vidy2uqb',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3672,853,3,465,0,'4.225.90.75',1091544740,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Every times Andy gets going like that it reminds me of Charles Durning in Best Little Whorehouse.  Justa\' two steppin\'.','',0,'QA==','1r3iulwy',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3673,863,3,465,0,'4.225.90.75',1091544981,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Poll','Be sure to check the poll in the Site Suggestion Forum.','',0,'QA==','2qnxqxhq',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3674,843,1,653,0,'66.43.229.222',1091552372,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','60 overhaul parts','Maibach Tractor 800-808-9934 stocks everything you need to overhaul a 60 engine. I just ordered a set of sleeves and pistons(includes rings, pins, keepers, o-rings 3 3/8 overborebore) yesterday. The prices they quoted me are $635 for the sleeve set, $138 for main bearings, $62 for rod bearings, $16.09 for the cam bushing, $190 for a complete gasket set, oil pump vanes $42.85 X2, and $ 2.53 for the vane spring. An expensive little motor to go through.','',0,'QA==','2njqh1uu',1,0,'',653,0,0),(3675,850,3,144,0,'169.207.92.61',1091571264,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','No Magazine!!!!!','Aug 3rd and still no magazine in Wisconsin.  this is ridiculous!!!!!!!','',0,'QA==','33pjkkri',1,0,'',144,0,0),(3679,850,3,88,0,'4.155.69.105',1091636890,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Got mine in Pa on 8-3-04. It arrived in one piece.','',0,'QA==','1z0eqocz',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3681,860,1,650,0,'12.152.0.194',1091657693,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Wix Part Number','Wix:  33110\r\nNAPA: 3110\r\n\r\nAccording to information in other forums, these fit the early models that have the filter out the side, but not the newer design that comes out the front.  Not sure if that is true.\r\n\r\nOther sources also state the breather elements are no longer available, but some claim they have been able to \"clean-up\" the original \"wood\" type (which I have).  I\'ll give it a shot.','',0,'QA==','2w96le1d',1,0,'',650,0,0),(3682,850,3,374,0,'205.188.116.144',1091664907,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','late magazine','got mine today 8-04...........','',0,'QA==','y7k6ds1k',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3684,826,6,35,0,'65.4.197.33',1091673278,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Poem','Great poem. My Dad will turn 89 August 28th. My mother has been gone for 22 years and my Dad has lived alone since. He wouldn\'t have it any other way. He stills reads books, cuts grass and tends flowers. He and my uncle began farming with Oliver horse drawn equipment and switched to Oliver tractors in 1949. They were the first to have Oliver tractors in our area. They used Olivers all the years they farmed and even sold them. My uncle died in 92 so Dad is the only sibling left. He not only survived the depression but also the South Pacific in WWII.','',0,'QA==','1z6oybic',1,0,'',35,0,0),(3685,861,5,1261,0,'12.65.145.35',1091722624,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','It doesn\'t make any difference to me, I don\'t understand how this hidden thing works anyhow. Just use the durned thing and don\'t worry about it!!!','',0,'QA==','2pfb4z1j',1,0,'',1261,0,0),(3687,850,3,655,0,'204.180.59.1',1091801228,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','','Got mine 8-4 in southern In.','',0,'QA==','1xj1zc62',1,0,'',655,0,0),(3688,850,3,524,0,'63.167.14.13',1091810056,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,  I recieved my mag. aug. 4.  Indeed it seems there is too much spread in the mailings. Congrats on a great issue though!\r\n                             \r\n                                 Frank Learned\r\n                                     flearned113@aol','',0,'QA==','3s9k2w5l',1,0,'',524,0,0),(3689,867,1,368,0,'209.150.251.39',1091846451,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 77 Standard/Row Crop','I just purchased a 77 with a standard rear end and a row crop narrow front end. The tractor was used in the woods to skid logs and the owner broke the original front end off and broke a chunk out of the front casting. When he could not find the parts to fix it like original he put a row crop front casting and a narrow front end on it. The tractor runs great but looks kind of funny. If anyone is looking for a good standard rear end with wheels and tires I would like to trade for a row crop rear end of equal value. Thanks. <!-- s:roll: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif\" alt=\":roll:\" title=\"Rolling Eyes\" /><!-- s:roll: -->','',0,'QA==','1o9cdxnh',1,0,'',368,0,0),(3690,850,3,144,0,'169.207.134.46',1091885361,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Finally Here!!!!!!!','Magazine came yesterday 8-6-04  Looks good, maybe I\'ll get a chance to read it today.','',0,'QA==','2o9inrrc',1,0,'',144,0,0),(3691,850,3,65,0,'216.183.132.179',1091886385,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','magazine in canada!','Arrived on aug. 6 th ,great job again Chris! Don,t know about the 90 owner to the south as hes away buying a 550!  Grant <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->','',0,'QA==','ytgb60cp',1,0,'',65,0,0),(3692,850,3,105,0,'216.135.29.233',1091901986,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Mine came too, but I have no idea when.  We are in the process of moving, and it went to the old house, and the new owners didnt remember when it came.  They sure did look at me funny when I asked them why not!  HAHA.','',0,'QA==','231cg0ym',1,0,'',105,0,0),(3693,868,5,465,0,'4.224.207.39',1092059949,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','member list','How come Pat\'s name was removed from the member list?','',0,'QA==','4xn4y7lz',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3694,868,5,10611,0,'209.153.159.165',1092069377,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Pat asked me to delete his account, so I did. He does not want to get involved in HPOCA politics, and decided that having his name on the member list for this forum could be misconstrued as an effort to do just that.','',0,'QA==','btg8c3my',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3696,835,3,652,0,'198.93.211.53',1092113452,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Count Me in.','Count me in fellas,\r\n\r\n  I would also like to sign.  Sherry did a fantastic job with the magazine.  Now I feel the magazine and the HPOCA have gone way down hill.  If I didn\'t have to be a club member to be in our own local chapter (KOCAP) I wouldn\'t be.  The magazine is terrible, now it keeps the dust off my Oliver Heritage magazines.\r\n\r\nAnson Bloom #9813','',0,'QA==','29eru1nj',1,0,'',652,0,0),(3697,870,3,652,0,'198.93.211.53',1092116851,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Time for a new Sheriff','I will keep this post simple,\r\n\r\n  I would like to know who supports me in the calling for a new Sheriff in town. As a member of the HPOCA I am calling for the resignation of Mr. Terry Allen HPOCA President, and too have a new board nominated and elected. The HPOCA has gone down hill, so far it may never come back.  \r\n\r\nFirst to dismiss Sherry, a quality asset to the HPOCA, and a fine magazine editor. The best magazine editor the HPOCA has ever had or will ever have. \r\nSecond to loose a major asset like Landis Zimmerman something is wrong with the HPOCA board, that everyday members like myself do not get to see.  Everything seems to be hush, hush, and good\'ole boy.  This organization was created to support and educate the Oliver Tradition.\r\nI know my post will either be locked or removed, because I spoke against the board. But personally I don\'t care. I am sick of lies and lack of communication between the board and it\'s members. If you support me post below and your reason, if you don\'t save it for some other thread.  Because you are probably a board member or a good\'ole boy.\r\n\r\nLastly the new magazine is horrible, I use it as a coaster.  Oliver Heritage is a far superior magazine. It truly shows Sherry\'s qualities.  Something your board decided to terminate.  I hope my local chapter changes their by-laws as well, because if I didn\'t have to belong to the HPOCA I wouldn\'t. Now watch my membership be revoked, because I spoke out.\r\n\r\nThank-You\r\nAnson M. Bloom #9813','',0,'QA==','d2bmpsnz',1,0,'',652,0,0),(3698,870,3,88,0,'4.155.69.109',1092144002,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I agree that Allen should step down. In addition to all that has happened in the past, he doesn\'t seem to have any time for or interest in responding to the membership. This is not what \"our\" president should be. \r\n\r\nIt is also interesting that after many months the position of publicity and promotion is still vacant. Perhaps no one wants to try to work with the present B.O.D.','',0,'QA==','qfkg7rj4',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3700,870,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1092185588,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Resign Terry Allen!!!!','Bull2255,\r\n     You and many other menbers have simply just wanted Terry to answer basic questions.  Terry has refused.  We are now calling for his resignation.  Welcome to the Renegades!\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'QA==','2h5fnlmu',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3701,870,3,65,0,'216.183.133.57',1092188989,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Lowering myself to the level of renegade!','IF the complainers would read the magazine they would see that presidents post is up for re-election and IF they have sooo much input they or a member of that group would run for president then all their posts would be irrevalent !!! I am tired, as are others, of the continual b******* on this forum which is no doubt driving real paticipants away from this forum .  I was at the winter convention and sat right at the front of the general meeting so I would not miss anything and heard very few questions from the floor . Where were the renegades? I personally talked with Terry and in no damn closet ,asked hard to the point questions and recieved answers. Talked at length with Andy and bylaw committee putting forth positive ideas, not back stabbing namecalling on this forum , and had answers from him and the commitee when I was done.Talked with Sherry and I am a subscriber to Oliver Heritage as well as a proud charter member of HPOCA  [#316] I am unable to attend the summer show due to work commitments ,but I can  retire in 16 months and at that time plan on being more involved in HPOCA affairs. Contact me if you wish. Respectfully Grant Thede   #316 <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:thedesolivers@bmts.com\">thedesolivers@bmts.com</a><!-- e --> 519 389 9695','',0,'','1odq650q',1,0,'',65,0,0),(3702,870,3,1,0,'12.18.109.91',1092190423,1,0,0,0,1,0,'OLIVERFAN','AMEN GRANT---WELL SAID !!','IF THE RENEGADES AREN\'T HAPPY, WHY DON\'T THEY GO TO SHERRY\'S WEBSITE AND POST THEIR B*******---I NOTICE THAT SHE IS SMART ENOUGH NOT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION FORUM--BOTH MAGAZINES ARE WELL DONE AND AS YOU SAY GRANT, WHY NOT SOME LEADERSHIP FROM THE RENEGADES???','',0,'','eb570b78',1,0,'',1,0,0),(3703,870,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.174',1092196496,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Please watch your language','Canada Grant and OLIVERFAN, I have edited your posts for language. Please watch your language in the future, or I\'ll take more extreme measures, just like I do when the renegades get out of hand.','',0,'','1q7w6vg6',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3704,871,1,657,0,'24.154.86.228',1092249333,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','88 motor in a 77?','Can this be done. Looking for a cheap way to get more horse power for the local pulls. \r\nWe have a problem with cheaters and no one goes by the rules so I am going to join the cheaters. Thanks for any help','',0,'','1w44a1sp',1,0,'',657,0,0),(3705,871,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1092258330,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I\'d certainly like to work with you on this venture. I believe it maybe difficult to put an 88 engine in a 77 but certainly an 1850 engine can slide into an 88 or maybe put a 99-6cyl. engine in an 88, I\'ve seen one of these on ebay awhile back.  \r\n         I\'m certain I don\'t live far from you, perhaps you can P.M. me your telephone # or address. Maybe interesting to look into this further <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->  <!-- s:twisted: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_twisted.gif\" alt=\":twisted:\" title=\"Twisted Evil\" /><!-- s:twisted: --> \r\n\r\nDanny Tabor','',0,'','2upsow8y',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3706,871,1,657,0,'12.110.98.101',1092261955,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I have a 77 and I know where there is a 88 motor If I can do this it should make a good puller for our 4000 and 4500 lb class','',0,'','1r1ua9zd',1,0,'',657,0,0),(3707,870,3,652,0,'198.93.211.110',1092265508,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Grant, Oliverfan.','Grant, Oliverfan,\r\n\r\n  First I value your opinion.  After all it is your right as a American.  A right in which I have fought for being a veteran of the US. Army and all.  However I do not appreciate your tone, I gave my opinion, and you gave yours.  I can justify my actions in calling for Mr. Allen to resign.  He has showed his lack of interest toward the members and their concerns.  I could right a lengthy paragraph but I will save you the trouble of reading it.\r\n\r\nAs far as the HPOCA being Superior to the Oliver Heritage Magazine, we\'ll I beg to differ, but I will not argue.\r\n\r\nSherry is extremely intelligent and before long I\'m sure you will see a message board on her site.\r\n\r\nThank-You for welcoming me to the \"Renegades\".','',0,'','bbz5alci',1,0,'',652,0,0),(3708,872,1,82,0,'216.106.56.108',1092272467,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver 60 side panel question','I was wondering if the side panels on a 60 row crop are supposed to have the round holes in them towards the middle of the panel that are about 2 inches in diameter.  The picture in the front of my parts book shows a tractor without the hole.  My 60 along with quite a few others I have seen have the holes in them.  Did the earlier 60\'s have them and the later ones didn\'t?  Just curious.','',0,'','1holguiq',1,0,'',82,0,0),(3709,870,3,614,0,'64.12.116.203',1092279305,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','you know I  knew the post was up  for  election but there is a problem.\r\n\r\nIf I wanted the job I couldn\'t get  past that nominating committee.  Others have tried and failed there  too.','',0,'','3qtxjpjl',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3710,871,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1092337357,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I\'m sure it would make a nice puller but I\'m afraid the 77\'s bath tub frame isn\'t wide or long enough to take the 88 motor.  If you can make it work, it most certainly would be interesting to see.   <!-- s:roll: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif\" alt=\":roll:\" title=\"Rolling Eyes\" /><!-- s:roll: --> \r\n\r\nDanny Tabor','',0,'','11v8o1s2',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3711,872,1,524,0,'63.167.14.13',1092341481,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','60 panels','Jason, DO both side panels have this hole?  I know that owners would sometimes cut a hole in side panel on filter side so the larger oil filter could be used.  Of coarse the hole would be larger than 2 inches','',0,'','3qb3o7uc',1,0,'',524,0,0),(3712,871,1,657,0,'24.154.86.228',1092343777,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Thanks for your help I think I will put a stroker crank in it. If you know where there is one that would be great. Thanks Joe','',0,'','3kh2cd10',1,0,'',657,0,0),(3713,872,1,96,0,'216.201.29.103',1092345238,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','60 Side panels','I see today when I went past my neighbor\'s he was washing his 60 rowcrop for the fair. It has no holes. That tractor is an early 5 speed. However his dad had 2 60\'s. I am not sure that this sheetmetal was new with this tractor. It could have been for the other tractor or even a parts tractor they had.','',0,'','174yqp2m',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3714,871,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1092348464,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I believe you could do a search on the internet and find what you need. There\'s a website   <!-- w --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://www.pullsite.com\">www.pullsite.com</a><!-- w -->  I enjoy looking through. Its more or less a classified section for pullers.  \r\n\r\nDanny Tabor\r\nmore cheaters come from\r\nRising Sun, Md <!-- s:P --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_razz.gif\" alt=\":P\" title=\"Razz\" /><!-- s:P --> \r\nabout time you Avondale boys caught up <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->','',0,'','2z2v7iv8',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3715,871,1,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1092359895,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','More power....YEAH!!!!','Joe,\r\n   I like to consider myself a decent mechanic.  They have alot of kits out there to really beef up the Oliver engines, including the 77.  Subscribe to the national antique tractor pulling magazine \"The Hook\"  Here you\'ll find many different machine shops just dying to give your 77 just the power it deserves.  Hell, perhaps if you wanted, you and I could ride up to one of these places, I have a 77 frame which is minus the PTO, minus the lift bars and a few other weight adding items.  I have been wanting to make this into a puller for a long time (perhaps a stroker crank and power cam, along with turbo and alcohol).  Looking forward to your insite and ideas.  Lets get together for lunch or dinner one day.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','19wot3f4',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3716,870,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1092360387,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','President\'s Position','I would love to run for president.  However I do not have the time nor the financial ability to travel from the east coast to the midwest for meetings.  I do want to do justice to the post.  Not be a flop.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','1iufv1fm',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3717,871,1,37,0,'65.6.57.65',1092362805,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','88 motor in 77','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->   Don\'t buy that stroker crank just yet, I know for a fact that this can be done and has been done. Heck you can put a motor out of a 1955 in a 77. I have helped on a few of these as well. The motor will bolt in without a problem.  The only thing that will really need to be addressed is the clearance of the bellhousing not difficult just has to be dealt with and using a different type of fan. Any major questions let me know. This is right up my alley.','',0,'','f3httlnq',1,0,'',37,0,0),(3718,867,1,37,0,'65.6.57.65',1092362948,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','standard 77','I have a row crop that I would be interested in trading. I live in East Tn; let me know. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','2myg1c2t',1,0,'',37,0,0),(3719,872,1,43,0,'158.247.216.44',1092402619,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','60 side panels','Those panels with the hole in them are for a 70. They will fit right on a 60. The hole is for a cultivator support rod that the 70 used.','',0,'','nqe3ptyt',1,0,'',43,0,0),(3720,873,1,658,0,'192.76.80.74',1092408117,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','oliver high speed transmissions.','wondering how you determine if the tractor has high speed transmission in it.   the 16xx series. by the serial number.','',0,'','2o3dzf8l',1,0,'',658,0,0),(3721,761,1,658,0,'192.76.80.74',1092408326,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','dad has one','dont know model, but high steel wheels, brought new always housed, need a littel repair, drive slips some.','',0,'','2y21z07e',1,0,'',658,0,0),(3722,871,1,657,0,'24.154.86.228',1092429128,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I will talk to you guys at Queen Anne on Saturday we are taking the JD A and our Farmall M see you tomorrow!','',0,'','bs32592p',1,0,'',657,0,0),(3723,871,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1092436835,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Now see what you are doing here...talking about Farmalls and uhg...John Deere on the Oliver forum <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: -->    Good thing Chris Losey didn\'t see that!!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor','',0,'','29ib7l19',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3724,761,1,239,0,'216.127.26.179',1092449236,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','oliver grain drill','I have just purchased a model 64 oliver grain drill in excellent condition\r\n\r\nthanks\r\n\r\nDon','',0,'','17700m8m',1,0,'',239,0,0),(3725,872,1,82,0,'216.106.56.93',1092498256,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','60?','I also have a 70 and it does have the holes in them but they are in a different spot.  The latches on a 60 are longer and in a different location than a 70.  At least they are on my tractors.  The holes are on both sides like where the cultivator support should be but there is no bracket for the support on the engine.  I was just curious what other people thought about this.','',0,'','3t0l5ock',1,0,'',82,0,0),(3726,871,1,657,0,'24.154.86.228',1092522337,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','This is my first Oliver I like all tractors Sorry?','',0,'','35oh38bs',1,0,'',657,0,0),(3727,871,1,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1092532882,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Games Over','Sent pictures of the sleds to up state New York to a potential buyer. I think he\'s more interested in a self propelled sled but was interested in seeing what we had.  1/2 of me hopes like crazy he will buy them and just get rid of the hassle but the other 1/2 thinks of all the people that come to the pulls, not so much to be competitive but to have fun. Many of those people are my friends. \r\n         \r\n     Its funny the games people play.  There has never been a \"Joe Swisher\" that has registered at a CCFM pull. A people search was done on the internet. There is 1 Joe Swisher that lives in Havre de Grace, Md, 2 Joe Swisher\'s up in State College, Pa, NO Joe Swisher\'s in Avondale, Pa!!!! and No Joe Swisher\'s in De!      I did receive the email this \"Joe Swisher\" sent to me after my post on YT. It was very much against the Wilhelms who do live in Avondale. So I did a little investigating to the origin of that email. I know where it came from! \r\n\r\n      Some time later one of our John Deere pullers put up a post on YT leaving his email address. A \"Joe Swisher\" sends him an email. He forwards it to me. Almost laughable the way it had contradicted the email this \"Joe Swisher\" sent me.  \r\n\r\n       On YT, a CCFM puller confessed to using another name. I\'m glad but truthfully it was known where all the posts came from in that entire thread.Including the post signed as Ashley. (Wilhelm\'s daughter)  Thanks to an internet watchdog group.  \r\n\r\n       I am not interested in any confession. I\'m not even interested in who is posing as \"Joe Swisher\". All that I\'m interested in, is that this game ends.    It is obvious what you are trying to do. Do yourself a favor-JUST STOP!!!!\r\nGAMES OVER!\r\nDanny Tabor','',0,'','k86lb51p',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3728,874,1,279,0,'69.66.68.190',1092540567,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','super88 diesel','J Schwiebert  Zeke with the super 88 diesel starts good, have not flow tested but have played with the timing. Please explain the leak down test thanks Zeke.','',0,'','2cpdin3e',1,0,'',279,0,0),(3729,874,1,96,0,'216.201.29.4',1092580335,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 88 Diesel','Check with me. I watched them dyno a 560 Cockshutt and it was about 30% short until he corrected some adjustments. You may have some of the same problems. Check your P M box','',0,'','voi3nwof',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3730,875,1,657,0,'24.154.86.228',1092666894,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','1550 hydra-electric questions','A 1550 is addvertised in the local paper says it has hydra-electric can I use a regular hydralic cylinder with this tractor or do I have to have an Oliver cylinder? I want to use this on my small farm. Please only Adult replys thanks for any help I am new to Olivers!','',0,'','2mjkfh52',1,0,'',657,0,0),(3731,875,1,96,0,'216.201.29.105',1092675924,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1550 Hydraulic','The Hydra-lectric was Oliver\'s basic system and the electric control was optional. A regular cylinder will work,however you will need to hold the control handle when changing the cylinders stroke. Ask the owner if he has the cylinder for it.','',0,'','1qvtp86j',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3732,876,3,163,0,'216.51.171.152',1092709732,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','The good of the club','My name is Duane Brandt my family and I have been life-long Oliver fans.  This is how we learned to farm and what we learned to drive.  I have a deep respect for everyone that loves Olivers.  This club we have has that same respect.  The leadership may have to change, but the club that likes these Olivers has the infrastructure to promote what we all proclaim to love.\r\n     Why do we all have the same goal but want to tear the club apart when we all like Olivers and all like the club?  Now we need to be aware of the goodness of the club and not our own personal goals.\r\n     If we need to reorganize let\'s please do it within our own club at our own schedule and not ruin something that has promoted our goals for several years.\r\n     I am being bi-partisan and am just supporting the  goals of our Oliver club.\r\nHope to see you all in Madison, SD!\r\nSincerely\r\nDuane Brandt <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: -->','',0,'','368fm24l',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3733,877,3,163,0,'216.51.171.152',1092709826,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','The good of the club','My name is Duane Brandt my family and I have been life-long Oliver fans.  This is how we learned to farm and what we learned to drive.  I have a deep respect for everyone that loves Olivers.  This club we have has that same respect.  The leadership may have to change, but the club that likes these Olivers has the infrastructure to promote what we all proclaim to love.\r\n     Why do we all have the same goal but want to tear the club apart when we all like Olivers and all like the club?  Now we need to be aware of the goodness of the club and not our own personal goals.\r\n     If we need to reorganize let\'s please do it within our own club at our own schedule and not ruin something that has promoted our goals for several years.\r\n     I am being bi-partisan and am just supporting the  goals of our Oliver club.\r\nHope to see you all in Madison, SD!\r\nSincerely\r\nDuane Brandt <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: -->','',0,'','2s7frhz5',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3734,878,1,659,0,'205.188.116.143',1092754281,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','880 LP','Hello, i am considering buying an 880 LP. Would appreciate any opinions from you folks on the pros and cons of the LP. A few people have told me there is a loss of horse power with the LP. Is this true and how much. Thanks terry','',0,'','11d43t81',1,0,'',659,0,0),(3735,870,3,65,0,'216.183.132.155',1092781019,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Let me make this clear I,m CANADIAN!!!  and  ---- proud of it!','',0,'','24xm1yol',1,0,'',65,0,0),(3736,876,3,39,0,'208.210.151.224',1092783804,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: --> \r\nDuane\r\nI\'m with you, I love Olivers. I grew up on them and still have an Oliver.\r\nI can\'t make it to Madison, but will be at Mt. Sterling and Cedar Valley shows Labor day week-end.\r\nI hate to see the club ripped apart by a few unhappy people.\r\nMel Larson  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'','1u4ead51',1,0,'',39,0,0),(3737,876,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1092793361,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Mel and Duane,\r\n\r\nI hate to see the club ripped apart as well.  I would not have had to go this far if the President of our club would have answered a few simple questions.  However that has never happened.  Besides, you can\'t look at it as tearing the club apart.  We are attempting to rebuild itr into a better machine.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','1udoidgd',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3738,870,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1092793705,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Canada Grant,\r\n\r\nI don\'t think that BULL2255 meant anything by his post to offend you.  I can about guess that your military had fought hard to enable you to have the freedoms that Canadians enjoy.  I admit here and not, I know squat about Canadian history, I would love to visit though.  \r\n\r\nI\'m just as proud to be American.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'','384gegu6',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3739,876,3,88,0,'4.155.99.27',1092857804,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I must also say that there is no intention of \"tearing the club apart\" as someone said. I think the major goal here is to regain the dignity that the club has recently lost. By having a board and president responsive to the members is in no way  tearing the club apart.','',0,'','2buvk07p',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3740,841,3,611,0,'198.212.223.35',1092861243,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Larry, I had misgivings when I let my subscription run out last month. But as you can see from some of your replies that this club is out of control. I can\'t afford both right now(\'Wheels of time\" takes the rest) and as I have not enjoyed the new format of Oliver collector I switched to Sherry\'s publication. If in the future I can afford all three I will come back. Hopefully it will not have self-destructed when that time comes.','',0,'','3ueotvsh',1,0,'',611,0,0),(3741,841,3,238,0,'205.188.116.143',1092888986,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Anythingsold,\r\nI do hope that you will be back. No matter what happens with the politics, this club is chock full of great people that are ready and willing to help whenever they can. \r\nAs far as the HPOCA magazine, I think that Chris and Becky are doing an admirable job considering the timing of their appointment. The first few issues were admittedly weak, but their concerted effort to improve and listen to what the general mambership is saying merits an A+. The magazine is getting better each issue.\r\nYour subscription to Oliver Heritage is understandable. Sherry is an amazingly talented gal with a lot of characture and poise. Oliver Heritage reflects these atributes in being THE BEST that money can buy. \r\nJust remember that this is America where more is better! So if one magazine bimonthly is good.....one every month is better!\r\n                                                                           Larry Coltrin','',0,'','2a8ks3d5',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3742,879,1,488,0,'64.251.140.33',1092967312,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','hey J. Schweibert','J., hope you got my questions from the other forum. Stopped in today to see what progress they made they had it all apart, the pilot bearing and the throw out bearing were still working, the pilot bearing was turning on the shaft and had worn some of the facing off the shaft, it was also turning in the fly wheel. The throwout bearing was loose and rattly but still had grease in it, I think it may be growling at the higher r.p.m.\'s but not at the lower ones. The p.t.o. shaft looked like new so there is no wear there. Also the clutch itself was all together, and it didn\'t look to bad the mechanic said he would run it awhile although I\'m out of adjustment on my rod. We decided to have the clutch rebuilt and put new bearings in along with taking the front plate off of the over/under to check the input shaft bearing there. Don\'t you think that  that bearing would howl all the time if going out? All your help is greatly appreciated!! Thanks!','',0,'','2u6t6kcr',1,0,'',488,0,0),(3743,879,1,96,0,'216.201.29.69',1093019782,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Luther','Check your P M Box.','',0,'','35ejk00g',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3744,880,3,12,0,'69.128.201.159',1093031418,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Summer Show in Madison','Who is going to make it to Madison for the summer show next week? I plan on getting there sometime Friday AM. I\'d like to put names with faces and just visit for awhile. Hope to see you there, WB.','',0,'','2z5xqfcw',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3745,880,3,5,0,'216.166.192.46',1093048864,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Madison, SD','Wrenchbender,\r\n I\'ll be leaving IL Thursday morning, hope to be there early enough to check out a farm full of collectables that evening. Will be there all weekend. Hope to see you there.  Drop me a PM     Jim Thurnau','',0,'','6tnkupw0',1,0,'',5,0,0),(3747,881,1,657,0,'24.154.86.228',1093135583,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','new to me 1550','Just got home with my \"new\" 1550. I am real happy with it runs good has a few oil leaks-nothing big valve cover gasket. Thanks for everyone who helped me with this. I am going to mow some pasture with it tomorrow! Ended up giving the guy 4250 for it. His dad bought it new. It was about an hour and a half from me.','',0,'','4vu6lwe5',1,0,'',657,0,0),(3748,880,3,238,0,'205.188.116.143',1093145997,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Blue, I\'m leaving fri am, will be there thru Sun. I wear a straw hat with an Oliver band . Got  some Northern IL Steam club buttons on it. I\'d like to meet you there. Larry Coltrin','',0,'','1zutaci9',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3749,856,1,636,0,'66.44.158.196',1093147977,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','You need to remember this is a 30+ year old tractor, and things like this do happen to tractors of this age.  It is a 1650, and in my eyes, if you use it, its worth it.','',0,'','3gwvrfu4',1,0,'',636,0,0),(3750,880,3,5,0,'216.166.193.23',1093175593,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Madison, SD','Larry,\r\n The only thing that I know for sure that I\'ll be wearing is a SMILE!','',0,'','338sgf8o',1,0,'',5,0,0),(3751,880,3,163,0,'216.51.171.159',1093223378,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','WB I will be there I have the 1750 Special with the ugly pea green wheels  Duane Brandt','',0,'','1ctlwuxe',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3752,861,5,10611,0,'209.153.159.147',1093228599,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Well, it looks like the majority wanted the hidden status turned off, so that\'s what I did. There are no hidden users any more on these forums.\r\n\r\nThank you to everybody who expressed their opinion or voted in the poll.','',0,'','20pnhg9x',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3753,880,3,238,0,'64.12.116.5',1093235692,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hey Blue, if that\'s all your wearing, you\'ll be easy to find!!!:)\r\nLarry','',0,'','38hwu7ug',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3754,880,3,47,0,'12.65.72.165',1093260273,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Larry,\r\nYou will have no problem finding Jim, just look for the big guy.\r\nHey Duane,\r\nYour brother has been telling me that you would be there, and would be taking a tractor. It sounds like an interesting tractor.\r\nI will be driving a car, not my big truck, not permitted for SD. So, today and possibly tomorrow, I\'ll take the wheels off, check the brakes, bearings, etc., I don\'t drive this car much, so, I should give it a good once over, before leaving Tuesday evening.\r\nI hope to see y\'all there, I\'ll be easy to find, Harley Dawg will be dragging me around!!!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nBe careful, and drive safely!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','17pr4haa',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3755,882,1,662,0,'65.172.185.70',1093275033,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1650 head','iam looking for information on this head','',0,'','2sogqf7i',1,0,'',662,0,0),(3756,882,1,96,0,'216.201.29.117',1093299727,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Head','Get me an Oliver and a Waukesha casting number and check your P M box.','',0,'','2ux5702k',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3757,882,1,662,0,'65.172.185.66',1093301968,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','JOHN','THE CAST NUMBER IS 114370 MODEL IS 265 22088 AND THE SERIAL IS 177 781 452 HOPE THIS HELPS I THINK THE CAST NUMBER IS THE RIGHT ONE RIGHT BELOW THE ALTERNATOR THANK YOU AGAIN CORRE','',0,'','ogb7t8h5',1,0,'',662,0,0),(3758,882,1,662,0,'65.172.185.66',1093302126,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','JOHN','I DONT HAVE THE HEAD AT THIS TIME SO THAT NUMBER I CANNT GIVE YOU HOPE THE OTHER ONES HELP THE HEAD IS IN THE SHOP FOR NEW EXHAUST VAVLES THANK YOU CORRE','',0,'','1wekxme3',1,0,'',662,0,0),(3759,880,3,163,0,'216.51.171.138',1093308722,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[b:nwt29osx]  Andy[/b:nwt29osx]\r\n     Bill\'s right we\'re going to try to bring the 770 flat top, my nephew\'s super 88 and the 1750 special.  To see a picture of the special look at Yesterday\'s Tractors under 1750 Duane from Iowa.\r\n  See you there\r\nDuane','',0,'QA==','nwt29osx',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3760,880,3,163,0,'216.51.171.174',1093312747,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[b:vs2xetqt] <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> Anyone[/b:vs2xetqt]\r\n     About Landiss and Sherry has anyone heard if they are going to Madison, SD? I sure hope so I would like to meet them for the first time.[b:vs2xetqt]Duane from Iowa[/b:vs2xetqt]','',0,'QA==','vs2xetqt',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3761,883,1,471,0,'68.254.63.54',1093352399,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Carb kit for Zenith model 11705','I recently bought an 88.  It is in dire need of a carb kit.  It has a Zenith model IKAS 3930 11705 number on it (I think)  Where can a guy get a kit for this?  I was told it may have an engine out of a Super 88 since it is a Zenith and not a Marvel Schebler.  Thanks','',0,'QA==','1hgllsjl',1,0,'',471,0,0),(3762,884,2,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1093353075,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Hart-Parr No. 3','I was just wondering...now that the Hart-Parr No. 3 is restored and has been shown, where is it stored or displayed?  Does the Smithsonian get the tractor back at some point or is it property of the HPOCA?\r\nJust wondering.','',0,'QA==','29oq9zt3',1,0,'',259,0,0),(3763,885,1,459,0,'67.250.226.142',1093364797,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','550 For Farm Progress Show','I am working on getting the tractors lined up for the HPOCA display at the Farm Progress Show at Alleman Iowa, August 31- Sept. 2, 2004.\r\n\r\nWe are attempting to duplicate the Oliver display at the first Farm Progress Show held in Iowa in 1959 for the 45th anniversary. As of last night I had one of each of the 3 digit tractors coming. This morning my 550 owner had to drop out for health reasons.\r\n\r\nIf you have a nice 550 that you would like put in our display and you live in Iowa or close by please email me at:\r\n\r\n[b:2rjkd9xm] <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:sletten@kca.net\">sletten@kca.net</a><!-- e -->. [/b:2rjkd9xm]\r\n\r\nIf you can send digital pictures as an attachment that would help. We have room for an early one with the straight bar grill and a later one with the checkerboard or egg-crate grill. We will consider Oliver or Cockshutt 550\'s.\r\n\r\nI will email you back with more details.\r\n\r\nThanks for your help!\r\n\r\n--Marc Sletten--\r\nHPOCA FPS Coordinator','',0,'QA==','2rjkd9xm',1,0,'',459,0,0),(3764,886,3,459,0,'67.250.226.142',1093364960,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','550 For Farm Progress Show','I am working on getting the tractors lined up for the HPOCA display at the Farm Progress Show at Alleman Iowa, August 31- Sept. 2, 2004. \r\n\r\nWe are attempting to duplicate the Oliver display at the first Farm Progress Show held in Iowa in 1959 for the 45th anniversary. As of last night I had one of each of the 3 digit tractors coming. This morning my 550 owner had to drop out for health reasons. \r\n\r\nIf you have a nice 550 that you would like put in our display and you live in Iowa or close by please email me at: \r\n\r\n[b:vktnyonl]sletten@kca.net. [/b:vktnyonl]\r\n\r\nIf you can send digital pictures as an attachment that would help. We have room for an early one with the straight bar grill and a later one with the checkerboard or egg-crate grill. We will consider Oliver or Cockshutt 550\'s. \r\n\r\nI will email you back with more details. \r\n\r\nThanks for your help! \r\n\r\n--Marc Sletten-- \r\nHPOCA FPS Coordinator','',0,'QA==','vktnyonl',1,0,'',459,0,0),(3765,884,2,5,0,'216.166.192.99',1093389708,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','#3','It\'s been my understanding that the I&amp;I club has it on loan from the Smithsonian for a period of either 3 or 5 years (don\'t quote me on that, I could be wrong) and it is still the property of the Smithsonian.      At the end of the loan, it will go back unless the Smithsonian sees fit to loan or give it to some orgainazation. Most likely a tractor club or a museum. I would think it would be tough for an individual to get their hands on it. My bet is it will go back to Washington, DC and go back into storage (remember, I could be wrong). I think that would be such a waste. Only time will tell.                   \\\r\n\r\n                                                    Jim Thurnau','',0,'QA==','1gnj936j',1,0,'',5,0,0),(3766,885,1,96,0,'216.201.29.212',1093394634,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Farm Progress Show','Where is the show this year and the dates please.','',0,'QA==','h5srh3cn',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3767,885,1,459,0,'67.250.226.5',1093395377,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','550 For Farm Progress Show','As I stated above, The show is at Alleman, Iowa. This is the same place it was in 2002. It is about 15 miles north of Des Moines just west of I35.\r\n\r\nThe dates of the show are August 31- September 2.','',0,'QA==','3pu61z7z',1,0,'',459,0,0),(3768,880,3,47,0,'12.65.36.83',1093423362,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Duane,\r\nSherry said in Oliver Heritage that she would be there if gasoline didn\'t get to $4.00 a gallon, I would guess that means she will be there, as gasoline is about half that price. I haven\'t heard anything about Landis, I would guess he would be set up there.\r\nIt is a good thing I checked out my car. The inside of the right rear wheel was oil soaked. I thought the seal was gone, but the seal, bearing, and axle were bad. Couldn\'t find a new axle, that will have to wait. Now I know what that funny noise was, and I thought it was a tire or pavement noise, for the last couple of years.\r\nWell, I\'ll just drive the pickup truck, Harley Dawg won\'t like it, he didn\'t like it last year. He doesn\'t have the back seat to spread out on.\r\nCoffee is finished, I\'m out of here, see y\'all in Madison, tomorrow!!!!\r\nTake Care, and drive safe!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','35pyjlq3',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3769,887,1,663,0,'65.214.64.129',1093477263,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','The Hartland Oliver Collectors','A Big Thank You to the Hart-land Oliver Collectors for the great job they did at The American Thresherman Show at Pinckneyville, Illinois August 19-22,04. If you came to play or just to see all of you did a great job, we set some new records this year and you were part of it. Over 750 tractors,11 steam engines and 375 gas engines. We hope all of you had a great time and hope to see all of you again.                                        Thank You ,       The American Thresherman Associatian ,   Gary Bahre','',0,'QA==','2gprcovj',1,0,'',663,0,0),(3770,884,2,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1093555917,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Jim is mostly correct','The loan period from the Smithsonian is for 3 years which mean that time will be up in Jan. 2006. In the mean time the tractor is housed in the Museum of the I&amp;I Antique Tractor &amp; Gas Engine Club in Penfield, IL. It has made 2 guest appearances, the Farm Progress Show last year and last weekend in Pinkneyville, IL. In order to keep it out of storage some group will have to apply to the Smithsonian to get another loan period. From what I know of the Smithsonian rules, if it ever gets back into storage it will be extremely difficult to get it out.','',0,'QA==','3js8ziw6',1,0,'',7,0,0),(3771,887,1,649,0,'24.230.143.223',1093557772,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','cant wait to see you guys at Prairie Village Days in Madison SD this weekend!!!!  thanks in advance to all that attend this one too!!','',0,'QA==','2ye0890z',1,0,'',649,0,0),(3772,880,3,649,0,'24.230.143.223',1093558236,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','everyone have a good safe trip and i hope to see some good olivers this weekend!!!!  Prairie Village is always a good weekend, and for once it sounds like it wont be 3000 degrees like it normally is!!!','',0,'QA==','1l7v8j8q',1,0,'',649,0,0),(3773,888,1,657,0,'24.154.86.228',1093559715,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','1550 fluid questions','I have bought an owners manual off of e-bay but I an still waiting for it to show up. The hydraulic fluid looks milky-water?- I would like to change it would Hy-tran be alright to use? I have a case-ih dealer close to me and that would be the easy thing to do. I guess anything is going to be better then the milk shake that is in it now!! Thanks','',0,'QA==','4at36juc',1,0,'',657,0,0),(3774,888,1,96,0,'216.201.29.5',1093566560,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Fluids','I read these with great interest because of my part time job. !0W-30 motor oil (API classification SE or better) also makes a pretty good hydraulic fluid. It was also mentioned in some of the Oliver Operators manuals. Remember the first operators manual printed is not like the last edition. Questions','',0,'QA==','3e1unr7i',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3775,888,1,657,0,'24.154.86.228',1093607795,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Thanks that makes it real easy!!','',0,'QA==','2gm27znt',1,0,'',657,0,0),(3776,888,1,14,0,'65.101.169.248',1093651103,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','My 1550 Operator\'s Manual states:\r\n\r\n\"Use SAE 10 Supplement 1 engine oil or Automatic Transmission Fluid Type \'A\'\".\r\n\r\nWhen the 55 series tractors came out, they went to recommending the Type 55 Hydraulic Oil.\r\n\r\nI\'ve always used ATF, the same used in the Hydra-Power.  Good luck, dwm','',0,'QA==','2rq8tyst',1,0,'',14,0,0),(3777,887,1,56,0,'216.138.55.92',1093651590,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','To All:\r\nThanks for the great weekend Gary, we all had lots of fun.  It took a lot of work but it was well worth it.  The Hartland Club was very impressed with the turn out this year.  I know that this year they had more Olivers there than any other year.  Hopefully when you feature Oliver again, we can get even more there.  We appreciated all the help of the Threshermans before and during the show.  I know Chuck &amp; I will be back with some of our Olivers next year, don\'t know that we will bring 25 items again, but will bring a few tractors and implements.  Thanks A Lot!  Melissa Brammeier, secretary, Hartland Oliver Collectors.\r\n<!-- s:mrgreen: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_mrgreen.gif\" alt=\":mrgreen:\" title=\"Mr. Green\" /><!-- s:mrgreen: -->','',0,'QA==','hvz0z75i',1,0,'',56,0,0),(3778,889,3,14,0,'65.101.169.248',1093790088,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Summer Show','Was not able to get to the national show this year.  Anyone have any pix from the show they could post?  Thanks, dwm.','',0,'QA==','1mcqqfyg',1,0,'',14,0,0),(3779,890,1,649,0,'24.230.143.223',1093829715,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','must find super99 GM after the madison show!!','after going to prairie village in madison this weekend (as i do every year) i now neeeeed to find a Super 99 or 990 GM Diesel to restore!!!! i love that tractor! definately made my all time favorite list for good! \r\n\r\nthanks so much for bringing all the great tractors this weekend, it was awsome!! \r\n\r\n<!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:mdmcs1@yahoo.com\">mdmcs1@yahoo.com</a><!-- e -->','',0,'QA==','39iynq8h',1,0,'',649,0,0),(3782,893,3,163,0,'207.177.76.151',1093909980,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','National Show in Madison, SD','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> I for one thoroughly enjoyed the show.  The people were so friendly and I met so many new Oliver friends.  I wish I could do it all the time.  Thank you much to everyone that put on the show and brought exhibits.  I had a blast, thanks again!\r\nDuane Brandt','',0,'QA==','cy4h7xzf',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3783,893,3,12,0,'69.128.202.146',1093911948,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','RE: Summer Show','Duane, We had a good time also. I enjoyed meeting you and others. It\'s always interesting to go to a show away from home and see what other tractors are out there.\r\n\r\n  I meant to ask you, how did you come up with that \"pea green\" for the wheels? Did you find some original paint on the tractor and match it up? WB.','',0,'QA==','37eupz4y',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3784,889,3,10611,0,'209.153.142.224',1093915542,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I took over 300 pictures at the show. I just need to go through them and figure out which ones we will use in the magazine, and then I\'ll put the rest in the Photo Barn. I hope to have them in there yet this week.','',0,'QA==','3t936ok3',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3785,893,3,163,0,'207.177.76.248',1093917002,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> It was behind the shields that say 1750.  Had it matched by a computer.  It had always been in the dark and out of the weather, kind of like me, and came up with a perfect match.  \r\nDuane Brandt','',0,'QA==','3h2pep7s',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3786,894,1,18,0,'70.69.122.128',1093929851,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Anyone done the hydraulic field conversion for the Super 55?','<!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: --> Has anyone done the field conversions for the early Super 55s to raise the fluid level? It involves raising the filler tube...to give 3 extra quarts of fluid. That part I\'ve done, but I also have an external control I am attaching. The manual calls for two tubes to be attached at the bypass and return outlets on the transmission cover. If you don\'t have an external, you would have two pipe plugs. The tubes return the fluid well below the surface of reservoir so that no air will mix in. They are 3/8 tubing, and each tube has some bends in it. I have a drawing of them in my parts and repair manual but no dimensions. Both appear to use compression type fittings with pipe threads on the other end from the tube, one is a straight connector and one is a 90° connector. Any more info would be appreciated or if anyone happens to have these tubes I would like to purchase them. Also, I am curious as to how the connectors are attached since the existing pipe threads would be tapered for the plugs located on the outside of the case, do I have to re-tap them?','',0,'QA==','256zzfhe',1,0,'',18,0,0),(3787,895,1,259,0,'65.43.7.174',1093986326,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver No. 40 plow','I was wanting some advice...which I know you good folks have plenty of.\r\n\r\nI have a No. 40 plow (wooden beam) that I was considering restoring.  However, I really don\'t know where to start.  Should I completely dismantle the entire plow?  The steel seems good there being only surface rust (hasn\'t been outside in decades).  Should those be sandblasted?\r\n\r\nAny great ideas, hints, clues or warnings would be greatly appreciated!\r\n\r\nThanks all.','',0,'QA==','3sq7sfuy',1,0,'',259,0,0),(3788,889,3,14,0,'65.101.169.248',1094009405,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Thanks','Thanks Chris.  Appreciate all the work you do...dwm','',0,'QA==','2z0v6whg',1,0,'',14,0,0),(3789,896,1,448,0,'68.22.6.114',1094044888,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 88 Diesel Head','Continuing a discussion from the YTmag website with J J. Schwiebert.\r\n\r\nAlthough I normally in a pulling frame of mind this does not involve pulling. We are trying to get my fathers Super 88 diesel together for a plow day in what is likely to be our last chance to do it with him. The engine was rebuilt a number of years ago and has low hours but it has been a hard starter since the rebuild. We thought the rings did not seat but with the head off we are finding four large cracks, the combustion chamber does not taper towards the exhaust valve like another cracked head we have, instead it goes down square. We suspect that the head repair shop that welded and \"repaired\" the head years ago took a few \"shortcuts\". Plow day is just over a week away and right now we do not have a good head.\r\n\r\nA.P.','',0,'QA==','2e1ek43a',1,0,'',448,0,0),(3790,896,1,96,0,'216.201.29.96',1094072638,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 88 Diesel','I would worry if the head was NOT cracked. Most of those cracks do not hurt a thing. I need casting numbers for both heads. Also how far below the deck of the head  do the intake valves set? Send me a P M with your phone number.','',0,'QA==','15st13hh',1,0,'',96,0,0),(3791,897,3,10611,0,'209.153.159.43',1094092223,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Forum viewing.','The By-Laws Committee presented the revised by-laws at the summer show in Madison, SD. I will be adding them here in the near future, so everybody can read them and study them.\r\n\r\nAfter talking with many members at the show it has become apparent that the HPOCA forum needs to be accessible by HPOCA members only. Too many people feel that what goes on here keeps them from joining in on the rest of the forums. Several also felt that HPOCA business doesn\'t need to be read by non-HPOCA members. So here\'s what\'s going to happen.\r\n\r\nJust below the main title of each page on these forums is a menu that includes a choice called [color=darkblue:3oaszp0m]usergroups[/color:3oaszp0m]. Click on that and then click on the view information button on that page. Further instructions are on the following page, but basically you\'ll need to send me a PM or an email with your name and membership number so I can verify your membership status. Once I have verified that you are a current HPOCA member, I will add you to the group and you will be able to read and post to the HPOCA forum.\r\n\r\nThese changes will not be applied to the Oliver, Hart-Parr, Cletrac, Buy Sell Trade, Miscellaneous, or Site Comments &amp; Suggestions forums. They will work as they always have, open to anybody that registers on the forums. \r\n\r\nI will wait a week or so before changing the permission level of the HPOCA forum, so that most of you will be able to get registered in the usergroup.\r\n\r\nIf you have any questions or troubles, please let me know.','',0,'Ag==','3oaszp0m',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3792,894,1,18,0,'70.69.122.128',1094104781,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Parts found','Well, Tom at O\'Brien Co. managed to find the conversion kit for me so I called him early this morning before I took off for work. Funny thing, Chris Losey also found a kit while looking for some other parts. Now, I can get that cover back on.','',0,'Ag==','3jsfi79x',1,0,'',18,0,0),(3795,897,3,529,0,'12.76.98.137',1094131822,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[b:2s6uipys][size=150:2s6uipys]That is just another stupid idea, it just helps to olivergangize the hpoca more.\n\nAnother soon to be ex-member[/size:2s6uipys][/b:2s6uipys]','',0,'RA==','2s6uipys',1,0,'',529,0,0),(3796,897,3,88,0,'4.155.126.174',1094148182,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well, considering what this group has gone through in the last year, does this decision surprise anyone??????','',0,'RA==','3it74v8x',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3797,897,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1094173324,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Unfortunately, to lock the forums out so the general public can\'t access them is to basically say that we do not want others to know what might be going on, behind the scenes.  When this happens it sends of the alarms in my head, starts me to thinking what possible illegal activity are they trying to hide.  Furthermore, I am against locking out the forums, as they can be a source of information to both members and non members.\r\n\r\nWhat I do propose is a special \"Members Only\" section, that would allow members to communicate and not be seen by others.  But, not the Whole HOPCA Forum.\r\n\r\nAgain, I am against locking out the forums.  We need to be an open club, to get new members.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'RA==','3n74ppbu',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3798,897,3,47,0,'12.65.73.24',1094175132,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','I like it!!!','This should have happened long ago! With membership comes privledge. One of those privledges is to be included in the \'Members Only\' forum, which is the HPOCA forum. Non-members have no input into the affairs of the association, if they want input, pay dues just like the rest of us!!! I have seen repeatedly where non-members posing as members stick their nose in our affairs. Then, they try to tell us they were wanting to decide if they want to join, after months, and months, of freebies? If they were going to join, they would have already done it, all they want is some juicy tidbit of gossip for free! I am glad to see this come to an end! And proudly state that I am a member in good standings, I have also applied for the usergroup, on this forum!!!!\r\nHave a good day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'RA==','1tt0xuaz',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3800,897,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.155',1094177542,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Ed,\r\n\r\nThat\'s the way I should have worded it. The HPOCA sub-forum ( not all of the other sub forums) will be members only. Everything else will work the same. \r\n\r\nI thought the Renegades would like this change, as nobody will be able to read the HPOCA sub-forum without being logged in. And I\'m not going to be playing favorites. This rule will apply to everybody.','',0,'RA==','3k2fyma7',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3801,899,3,144,0,'169.207.130.43',1094177659,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','summer show','the Badgerland Oliver Collectors are hosting it, and the feature tractor is the Super 44 and 440','',0,'RA==','161bmcss',1,0,'',144,0,0),(3802,900,3,110,0,'64.12.116.143',1094178752,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Just curious????','Today, i received a copy of the financial statement current to the Ist of Aug./04 that was handed out at the summer show. I was under the assumption that the oliver family had made a very generous donation of  8000.00 on the start up of the HPO foundation. Also at the winter get-together, members voted for the hpoca to donate an additional $10,000.00 donation to the same foundation. My question is, why does the HPO show ZERO  funds as of the first of August/04. Were is that $18000.00? Im sure there is a logical answer, Im just curious.  Thanks','',0,'RA==','3tq7u673',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3803,889,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.155',1094181286,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I just added 172 pictures to the HPOCA Photo Barn. \r\nI wish I could have gotten every tractor, but I ran out of time.\r\n\r\nEnjoy!','',0,'RA==','2m4mpqsz',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3804,900,3,47,0,'12.64.140.148',1094210423,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Bob,\r\nThis was an inquiry I was going to make in the board meeting, but, it was brought up before I had a chance. It appears there are two accounts, and funds are in the process of being transferred from one to the other. Since Sparky had to be at a wedding, if he wanted to stay married, he was not present. So, I was not able to review this in depth. I am not overly concerned with this, Sparky is bonded, I am certain he will explain this at the next meeting. I would expect to see expenses for attorney fees, and filing fees, maybe some other administrative costs. You might want to call Sparky if the matter causes concern to you, I am sure he will be able to explain every penny.\r\nI hear some guys up your way are trying to get a chapter together, any truth to it?\r\nTake care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'RA==','3lem51oy',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3805,897,3,12,0,'69.128.202.146',1094218057,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Just my thoughts...','Chris,\r\n\r\n    Would it be possible to allow viewing of the forum without being able post? It may not be what is wanted, but it sounds more reasonable to me. \r\n \r\n   Thanks, John.','',0,'RA==','f42nleim',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3806,900,3,110,0,'205.188.116.143',1094222888,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Andy','Thanks for the response Andy, wasnt holding my breath that there would be one. I figured there was mutiple accounts, but one or a dozen of them dosent change the fact that their should be figures of some sort($$$) showing up on the financial statement. Anyways, thanks for responding, i understand issues like this are hard to get answers to when less than half our board members even show up for the national event. TAKE CARE Bob','',0,'RA==','3taj8hky',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3807,900,3,47,0,'12.64.120.242',1094224643,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Bob,\r\nYes, I do share your concern. I am not worried at this point, yet. I\'ll hold off until it is time for an annual audit. Then if there is a problem, it would be time to address it. I am also concerned about attendance at the board meeting. We didn\'t think there was a quorum, but, I did some research into Roberts Rules of Order, and the current bylaws after the board meeting. I discovered that unoccupied seats could not be used to calculate a quorum, nor could Ex-officio positions, such as Past President. So, we did have a quorum. President Allen was correct in limiting the procedings to debate though, as at the time it was questionable as to if a quorum was present. There wasn\'t any need for a vote anyhow, nothing of that nature was discussed. My personal feeling is we should do away with secondary shows, since it is obvious that some board members substituted one or more secondary shows for the main event.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'RA==','36gmen23',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3808,897,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1094240939,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\n     What a great idea. Finally we will have credibility to all posts on the HPOCA forum!!!  What an interesting concept.   \r\n\r\n      Andy, I agree with you 100%!!!  I pay good money to be a member of HPOCA, so why are the forums open to anybody and everybody.  I mean give me a reason to renew here.   Why renew or join if I can still enjoy all the benefits that should be exclusively for members, as a non-member.\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'RA==','2uoe8d0c',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3809,900,3,465,0,'4.225.95.80',1094254893,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Cookie,\r\n Don\'t forget the $1k that each member had to fork over, for the privilege to be on the board.','',0,'RA==','943hh13f',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3810,897,3,465,0,'4.225.95.80',1094256158,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','You know it is hard to get excited about this club any longer. This is a move in the right direction. Now if the club is going to close this forum, what about getting the elected officals to answer some questions here? That would seem only right. \r\n  I\'m in favor of this move if, Pres Allen and other board members would come out of hiding. I posted 15 questions to board members here months ago. not one answer. \r\n I was planning on attending the summer show to ask these questions. Family matters made me cancel those plans the weekend before the show.\r\n\r\nLets get a report on what took place. I\'m sure the whitewash was going on thicker that the WGT.','',0,'RA==','ej95uuvg',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3811,889,3,7,0,'205.188.116.143',1094259177,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Great job on the show pictures','Thanks for your efforts to get them on the page. Too often we forget that there is a lot of information available on this site. I encourage everyone to visit the chapter web pages also. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'RA==','1k72as0d',1,0,'',7,0,0),(3812,897,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1094262377,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','If Terry would show some guts and answer the questions posed to him honestly, I \"might\" even consider voting for him in the next election.  However he needs to give me a reason to want him back in office.  As of this moment in time, I have no reason.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'RA==','3c3caq37',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3813,900,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1094262840,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','This is why I think our board meetings should be teleconferenced or web broadcast.  That way, all members can be there, at the meetings, without having to leave the comfort of their living rooms, underwear, or Budweiser.  I would Love to run for a board position, however I do not have the financial resources to take vacation and drive or fly out to the mid west for meetings.  However, I do have a computer and it shouldn\'t be too hard to set up a section on the website for the link up.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'RA==','2kj54bj5',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3814,900,3,12,0,'69.128.202.146',1094269783,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','That was the answer I got for not having regional directors. \"No one that far away will attend the board mtgs.\" In this day of technology, conference calls or Internet meetings should not be an issue. WB.','',0,'RA==','23hgchba',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3815,900,3,238,0,'64.12.116.143',1094275975,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I\'d love to run also, but my membership isn\'t 2 years old yet. Next year.\r\nI can and will travel to make meetings. \r\nI never wanted to get this involved, but the fact that elected officials of any organization are there to serve the membership, NOT the other way around!, has got my goat.                    Larry Coltrin','',0,'RA==','12w36kez',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3816,900,3,47,0,'12.65.24.175',1094301521,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey John,\r\n I attempted to use a chat room on this website for intercommittee communication while reviewing the bylaws. Participation was a very large problem. I don\'t see where that would change any time soon. As you saw, board meetings are not too exciting, and given a choice, I think most folk would rather do something else. When put in their own environment, most probably will do something else, not pay attention. I want those who represent me to be paying attention in meetings! You may have noticed, not too many were hanging around after the meeting. This is normal. I would not support electronic meetings, in fact Roberts Rules of Order suggests that societies refrain from this. I support face to face meetings. If a person can\'t look another in the eye, and debate issues, pro, or con, something is wrong! As a matter of fact, regardless of the issue, if the person bringing the issue can\'t look me in the eye, and discuss the merits of their issue, a probably wouldn\'t support that issue. You probably noticed in the committee meeting, I like open discussion, and even a little humor to make the meeting less boring! I feel that is the best way!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'RA==','2uhn3653',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3817,900,3,47,0,'12.65.24.175',1094304452,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Larry,\r\nYour point was one of the items addressed by the bylaws committee, which relates to just representation. As a result, changes were recommended. These relate to at whose pleasure the board serves. The committee felt the board should serve at the pleasure of the members, and recommended voting board members should be elected. We also looked at the nominating committee, and decided this committee should work outside influence of the board. So, we recommended they be made up of volunteers. Another major change is the requirement to have a minimum of 3 members on every committee. This change will benefit us in several ways. It will bring more member input into our operations, and it will give the opportunity for members who wish to become more active a place to serve, and learn about the workings of our association.\r\nAs we discussed, it is all about the will of the members, which at times can be difficult to determine. Many members have no interest in how the organization runs, then when the durned thing jumps the track, well, you know! So, the administration is in a constant battle of seeking the will of the members. The more the members communicate their will, the more accurate the results will be! Getting this communication at times can be tough, and it should represent a solid cross section of all members.\r\nIf these bylaws changes are approved in the next election, I would encourage you to volunteer to serve on a committee. There is no time restriction to serving on committees, so, you would be eligible, and it would be a learning experience.\r\nI can relate to the getting involved issue, I never wanted to become as involved as I am, but somebody has to work to move our hobby forward, otherwise we just go backward. In my viewpoint, with membership comes obligation, as well as priviledge. Some don\'t share this view, some exceptional members do. I guess I am the one who has to live with my decision, so I contribute! This requires being involved.\r\n It is a wonderful thing when members join, and immediately become involved, contributing to the success of the association!\r\nI encourage you to continue in this pursuit!!!\r\nYou were asking about a copy of the current bylaws, you can find this at the bottom of the homepage.\r\nHave a good day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'RA==','6zbv4z2f',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3818,901,1,671,0,'4.224.219.163',1094310983,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver Grain Drill','Greetings.  I have an Oliver Grain Drill - wood box, steel wheels, original paint in good condition.  The serial number is 26-18148, manufacturedin Springfield, Ohio.  \r\n\r\nIt has been stored in the dry for the past 40 years.  I need some help finding a value guide.  Any direction would be very helpful.  Thanks so much.','',0,'RA==','2te74rk2',1,0,'',671,0,0),(3819,897,3,10611,0,'209.153.159.248',1094346360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Re: Just my thoughts...','[quote=&quot;Wrenchbender&quot;:3eueg4yi]Chris,\n\n    Would it be possible to allow viewing of the forum without being able post? It may not be what is wanted, but it sounds more reasonable to me. \n \n   Thanks, John.[/quote:3eueg4yi]\r\n\r\nJohn,\r\n\r\nIt would be possible. But then I feel people will read what is going on here and then go to YT to discuss it, even though they might not have a stake in any of it. We\'ll try this way for a while and see how it goes.','',0,'gA==','3eueg4yi',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3820,900,3,12,0,'69.128.202.146',1094350018,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Andy,\r\n\r\n  I would hope that elected officials and committee chairs would take responsibility in their positions and attend every meeting possible. But I would prefer that they be involved by any means possible than not at all. Sitting down and discussing things face to face is the best situation. Teleconferencing, etc. should be the exception and not the rule. \r\n\r\n  Glad to see you and Harley Dawg made it home safe, John.','',0,'gA==','2aa2lhe8',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3821,900,3,614,0,'64.12.116.23',1094351462,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I  always  want to make this  statement  when  any one  starts quoting  ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER:\r\n\r\n       They are just a guide... says so in the front of the book.  a book that was written in the 1700\'s and  updated.   \r\n\r\n  I think  myself that a  country wide  organization  to better serve those members would  consider the use of technologies available.','',0,'gA==','1sfnokr5',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3822,897,3,305,0,'209.107.193.65',1094385601,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think it\'s a great idea and long overdue. Keep in mind that many of us believe iN the HPOCA and its elected board members, and how it is serving it\'s mission. We dont care to here personal attacks, negative remarks, nor about Sherry all the time. We simply want to enjoy a hobby that we have. The summer show was great again this year.\r\n\r\nBy the way, great point about ytd. As you can see, there is already a thread filled with negative comments on this decision. I dont think the originating author is a member. Reinforces the decision! Keep up the good work guys.\r\n\r\nLONG LIVE OLIVERS','',0,'gA==','27pzb19n',1,0,'',305,0,0),(3823,902,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1094409200,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Put names to posts','Chris,\r\n     I am totally in favor of having the HPOCA forum, members only. I was wondering if there was any way we could make it so members real names and I.D. numbers are automatically put to their post. The handles are cool but I believe putting a persons name to his/her thoughts would add more credibility to a post and make it more personal.   Maybe this will be part of the program.\r\n\r\n        I have never written anything that I didn\'t want to put my name too. It be nice if others had such pride that they would do the same.\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor\r\n#747','',0,'gA==','16now70b',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3824,900,3,47,0,'12.64.6.143',1094438658,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Eddie,\r\n Your date is confusing, what are you talking about, please explain.\r\nThe first known use of Parliamentary law was in the year 1258, but it was until January 1874 that Henry M. Robert wrote the 176 pages of \'Pocket Manual for Deliberative Assemblies\' which on February 19, 1876 was published by S.C. Griggs and Company of Chicago, IL as \'Robert\'s Rules of Order\'. 4,000 copies of this first printing were published. This is officially the first publication of Robert\'s Rules of Order. Will you please explain where the year 1700 came from, it does not comply with the historical facts of the Robert\'s Rule Association. \r\n Robert\' Rules of Order contains many guidelines, and is far more than a simple guide, and is based on the regard for the rights of:\r\nThe majority,\r\nThe minority when greater that one third,\r\nThe individual member,\r\nAbsentees,\r\nand all of the fore mentioned together as a group.\r\nThe current HPOCA bylaws allow that we are governed by Robert\'s Rules of Order Newly Revised. It was recommended that our bylaws supercede Robert\'s Rules of Order, which empower the bylaws.\r\nThere has been debates among Parliamentarians as to electronic meetings, the consenses is that these are not suited to deliberative processes common to parliamentary law.\r\nTake Care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','1grpc9eg',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3825,900,3,465,0,'4.225.92.32',1094441594,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Ok Chris,\r\n \r\nHe\'s here to defend himself, can I let go on him [b:13kjf26b]NOW[/b:13kjf26b].\r\n\r\nSouldn\'t there be a new by-law about going on and on about squat.','',0,'QA==','13kjf26b',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3826,900,3,47,0,'12.64.146.95',1094443619,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey John,\r\n I would be able to agree to teleconferencing only to smooth out rough edges, but it should never be used when a vote is required. I am certain that in most organizations teleconferencing is used to some extent. On several occasions I have attended our board meetings to see issues decided exactly opposite of the opinions expressed immediately prior to the meeting, simply because of factors introduced during debate. I would concede to electronic communications for informational purposes only, but adamantly oppose it in deliberative assembly.\r\n The problem I have with making exceptions is they too easily become the rule. Once that happens it is tough to get the cat back in the bag.\r\n Maybe I am a little old fashioned, but my hobby is playing with old tractors of historic significance!!!\r\n Harley Dawg was having a tough time the first day or two in Madison, but after a little aspirin for a couple of days he did real well. He even wanted to drive back!!!! I did stop and buy a 535 combine, with 4 row corn head, and 13 foot grain head, now I have to get it here and figure out how to run it! Hey, we had a fine time out there, I hope you and the misses did the same!!\r\nTake Care!!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','2nhizcji',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3827,903,3,110,0,'64.12.116.143',1094448887,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','up comin election','Hey Andy:                                                                                                          Being as your the only guy on here who will talk about things, i got a couple questions for you. As everybody knows by now, there is an upcoming election for the position of Club president. As i understand it right now, Mr Smith and Mr Hume are going to be running agianst Mr Allen for this position. I would like to know what the procedure is for counting votes. Who all is involved with this process? Were is it done? Are all canidates present when the counting is done? If you would\'t mind, Id like to hear your reveiw of the entire procedure so i can better understand this part of the clubs function. Thanks Bob','',0,'QA==','2rh3s9uv',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3829,900,3,465,0,'4.225.93.90',1094474861,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','[quote=&quot;Andy&quot;:30hc8aka],\n\nThe first known use of Parliamentary law was in the year 1258, but it was until January 1874 that Henry M. Robert wrote the 176 pages of \'Pocket Manual for Deliberative Assemblies\' which on February 19, 1876 was published by S.C. Griggs and Company of Chicago, IL as \'Robert\'s Rules of Order\'. 4,000 copies of this first printing were published. This is officially the first publication of Robert\'s Rules of Order. Will you please explain where the year 1700 came from, it does not comply with the historical facts of the Robert\'s Rule Association. \n Robert\' Rules of Order contains many guidelines, and is far more than a simple guide, and is based on the regard for the rights of:\nThe majority,\nThe minority when greater that one third,\nThe individual member,\nAbsentees,\nand all of the fore mentioned together as a group.\nThe current HPOCA bylaws allow that we are governed by Robert\'s Rules of Order Newly Revised. It was recommended that our bylaws supercede Robert\'s Rules of Order, which empower the bylaws.\nThere has been debates among Parliamentarians as to electronic meetings, the consenses is that these are not suited to deliberative processes common to parliamentary law.\nTake Care!!!\nAndy[/quote:30hc8aka]','',0,'gA==','30hc8aka',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3830,903,3,47,0,'12.64.78.88',1094474918,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Bob,\r\n It is good to hear from you! Yes, I have knowledge of this subject. The ballots are tallied by a counting committee, which consists of 3 disinterested parties. Disinterested parties meaning persons who derive no benefit from the results of the election. Members of this committee need not be members of HPOCA. In the past we used a county clerks office in Indianapolis, and I can remember when we used the staff at Aumann Auctions. What the current status is I do not know, but, I believe a mutually acceptable arrangement will be made. Where ever the mailing address on your ballot will be the location of the place the counting committee will meet. Both times that I ran for office, I was not invited to the proceedings, but I didn\'t ask to be invited either. I doubt there would be a problem with candidates attending the tally, but, it would be appropriate to have the Executive Committee inform the Counting Committee of this request. That way the Counting Committee can relay accurate information concerning exact time and place, as well as arrange for a room of sufficient size to accomodate the needs. I can not recall when a candidate wanted to be present. I know when I ran against Lee Smith, neither of us wanted to arrange a schedule to be there, the same when I ran against Terry Allen, as it wasn\'t necessary, and I have things I would rather be doing, like plowing!!! I like plowing, I think most of us do!!! There is no requirement to account for blank ballots in the bylaws, nor is there any requirement for custody of blank ballots. Since the Secretary is running unopposed, it would be appropriate that the Secretary be custodian. A supply of blank ballots is necessary for two good reasons, the first being, under parliamentary law, a member has a right to a replacement ballot, in the case that a ballot has been tainted, mismarked, torn, bent, folded, or in some way marked in any manner that would distinguish the ballot from any other ballot. The process for this is simple, just write the word \'void\' across the face of the ballot, and send it along with a letter requesting a replacement to the person who has custody. Allow time for mailing, from, to, and back to the counting committee. In our case the timeframe is critical, so procrastination is not recommended, that puts me in a tough spot, I would rather plow!!! \r\nThe other reason is printing costs, ordering an exact number of forms costs more, at least that is what Sherry explained one time. Setup probably is the most costly issue of a printing job of this nature, so it would be understandable that a printer would want to print a round number of forms. Which, when a sufficient number to meet our needs are printed, in all probability would leave an excess to be used for replacements.\r\n I encourage you to pay attention to provisions recommended to change the bylaws in regard to this. The committee has recommended procedure which will require a chain of custody for blank ballots, and accounting for them. This was done as a precaution to protect the good name of the person, or persons responsible for this duty. This has not been done in the past, hopefully we can implement this in the future.\r\n It is a pleasure to try to answer your question, if you further information, don\'t hesitate to let me know.\r\nTake Care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','1iqfjx7u',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3832,900,3,47,0,'12.64.78.88',1094476370,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Keith M.,\r\n With imitation being the most sincerest form of flattery, I am impressed!!!\r\nThank you for the compliment!!!\r\nHave a good day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','1kh8krc7',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3833,902,3,10611,0,'209.153.159.164',1094476674,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I can add columns in the personal info area to add a persons name and another for their membership number, and then they would appear on the left along with the handle they use. Getting everybody to do it is another thing.\r\n\r\nThis is probably going to involve some add-ons to the software, so I\'ll have to see what all is available and get back with you.','',0,'gA==','2m0k3l71',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3834,897,3,40,0,'152.163.252.166',1094476987,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris:\r\n\r\nAre you guys nuts?\r\n\r\nI know you are the webmaster, but did the board know you were going to do this?  If they did did they vote on it?  If they voted when did they do it, since I don\'t think they have had a board meeting since the winter meeting in PA?  According to the by-laws aren\'t they supposed to meet once a quarter?  I know lots of questions and now I will see if I get any answers.\r\n\r\nIf anyone thinks a change is necessary I believe that you should figure out some way that indicates if the post is by a dues paying HPOCA member or by a non-member of the HPOCA.  It never hurts to find out what others are thinking.  But it would be a good idea to know if they are involved with the club or not.  No one would think that it was a good idea to only sell HPOCA key chains at the Summer meeting to HPOCA members so what does it hurt to let outsiders use our website (just make it so we can tell that they are outsiders.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt\r\nA dues paying HPOCA member and intending to remain that way!','',0,'gA==','3g206xxg',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3835,900,3,10611,0,'209.153.159.164',1094477327,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Andy,\r\n\r\nKeith M. has a point. The history lesson can be done on the Miscellaneous forum. I think everybody will agree that Robert Rules of Order have been around for quite some time now.','',0,'gA==','3ig04rny',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3836,902,3,188,0,'64.255.108.39',1094477452,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think names are a good idea.  If you are ashamed of what you say and don\'t want to take credit for it, you shouldn\'t be saying it.  I have said very little about the problems and hoped they could be worked out.  But after everything that has happened in the last year I think there has been enough  questions that now only a change of leadership will ever be able to heal the club.  unlike a few posters here and on YT I do not want to see the club destroyed.  Putting names with the posts could be a small thing that may help  restore creditability to everyone\r\nKeith Miller  6201','',0,'gA==','ddlb49oj',1,0,'',188,0,0),(3837,900,3,47,0,'12.64.78.88',1094477722,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Chris,\r\nAnd my point is if a person quotes facts and figures do so accurately, don\'t just throw something out, and expect for me to accept it as gospel truth. I do my research, I expect others to do likewise!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','lksknkwc',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3838,897,3,10611,0,'209.153.159.164',1094478212,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','The board basically wanted something like this, but didn\'t have a quorum to pass a motion about it. So I am going ahead and doing it. If they vote some other way at a future meeting, I\'ll switch it to whatever way I am told to.\r\n\r\nOnly this sub forum here will be members only, ALL of the rest of the HPOCA web site will be open to anybody and everybody. But if you look at what happens when anybody can post under any name they want (just look at the YT Oliver forum), you might be able to see why I am going in this direction.','',0,'gA==','83s395ri',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3839,900,3,465,0,'4.225.93.90',1094479024,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy,\r\n\r\n I wanted to quote you, then thought better of it, and then messed up the whole post.\r\n  \r\n What makes you have the need to prove to others, that you think you are more intelligent than they are.  Most of us, that you would call Renegades, can feel the hate that is apparent in your posts. \r\n  Yes, it does take a little intelligence to look up a fact to prove someone wrong. But not that much. I\'m sure if I wanted to waste a couple hours, I could go back through some of your posts and could come up with facts to prove you wrong.\r\n  Don\'t [b:2jxtwq4g]even[/b:2jxtwq4g] tell me you had all those facts and dates memorized.\r\n Normally. I would say, you seem to be the type person that likes to hear himself talk.  In your case post.    Blaugh-blaugh-blaugh.  \r\n  OK, I looked up a fact. Of the hundreds of people that have posted on these forums, you account for almost 11% of the posts.  The way you go on and on when a paragraph or two would suffice.\r\n  Andy, I can tell by your writing you have more education than I have, maybe as much as anyone on the forum.  You don\'t need to impress us any more.  Most people know, and can\'t stand, when they are being talked down to as you did earlier.\r\n\r\nKeith\r\n#10438\r\n\r\n  \" The boy was clearly educated beyond his intelligence\"\r\n          The late Grad Ole Opry Star Jerry Clower','',0,'QA==','2jxtwq4g',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3840,902,3,47,0,'12.64.78.88',1094479450,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Chris,\r\n Before you start giving access to member numbers it might be to your benefit to research the reason they are no longer published in the membership directory. I remember this issue was brought up some time ago in a board meeting, and it was decided not to publish them. I understand that you would need this info to determine who is a member in good standing, but once this is determined, the need becomes a non-issue, as validity has been established. It has been several years ago that this decision was made, so, I can\'t recall what the specifics of the debate were. Perhaps you may wish to consult with Larry Widner or Paul Rode, they might be able to better recall the specifics of the debate.\r\nTake Care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','3pdg8ecn',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3841,902,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1094479461,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','That would be great Chris. I know some members may have lost their membership cards or forgotten their number. How can they find out what their number is?    It used to be on the mailing label of the magazine. Is it still?\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor   #747\r\n\r\nThank you for taking on the extra work!','',0,'QA==','3py2gilu',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3842,900,3,47,0,'12.64.78.88',1094484070,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Keith M.,\r\n You are correct in that I am well educated, and that was my decision. I have always considered the time to become educated was one of the best investments a person can make, paying great dividends. An education is the one thing that can\'t be taken away. A person can sue in a court of law, and take all of anothers personal possessions, but they can\'t take their education. A Doctor explained this to me as a young child, and it left a lasting impression. What you probably don\'t understand is that I support and encourage all persons to become educated, it is the most important thing you can do for yourself. I regularly encourage young people to go to college, to get a higher education, do it for themself. It is of great benefit to community, state, nation, and the world. On an international basis, did you know that in the Russian Republic, the former USSR, higher education is considered so valuable that for those who meet entry requirements it is free, and if a specific performance standard is met, the student is paid to further their education? Why can\'t we do that here? We can spend our tax dollars of far less fruitful, and far more costly endeavors! I had to get my education on the GI Bill!\r\nYou are incorrect as the my regard for hate, which is an emotion which I consider to be counterproductive.\r\nAs far as \'Renegades\' go, I don\'t use that term, I didn\'t coin the term, and see no benefit in considering it. For me it is not an issue.\r\nActually, the majority of the facts and figures I quote, I have committed to memory, and those which are not, can be easily located. It has to do with managing thought processes, once understood, it becomes a simple matter. Anyone can do that, just a matter of priorities.\r\nActually, participating in this forum is a sacrifice, it consumes time. I am what is known as a \'descriptive writer\' I go into detail, so, there can be no doubt as to the meaning. Most times a short message will not accomplish this.\r\nAs far as impressing, to what end? Perhaps you do not understand that I would consider this to be counterproductive. It would not achieve any goal that would interest me.\r\nYou state that I have almost 11% of the posts, it is interesting that you would have such concern over stats. I do not share this interest. Since I was among the first who used this website, and did have an intensive debate going during the election 2 years ago, that is understandable.\r\n This tread has gotten far off subject beginning at the 6th post, and has continued getting farther and farther off subject. If you wish to continue with the posted subject matter, I may respond. If not I will cease to post on other issues.\r\nHave a good day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','1ia4gvsc',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3843,900,3,465,0,'4.225.93.243',1094485033,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Your last post just reinforced the my opinion. why do you feel the need to belittle people? Do you have a need to show you are better than others?','',0,'QA==','31p2omwn',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3844,900,3,47,0,'12.64.78.88',1094485322,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','That does not relate to the posted subject matter. You will get no response.\r\nHave a good day!!','',0,'QA==','sop1kbtb',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3845,902,3,238,0,'152.163.253.2',1094491903,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Chris,\r\nAgain, as I told you at Madison, thanks for listening to the membership.\r\nAs a dues paying member, I really appreciate that.\r\nThe way things have been going in America the last 50 years, not alot of people want to take responsibility for their own actions. \"Someone else is always to blame\".\r\nPutting names and membership numbers along with the posts is a great idea. Blind posts invariabley do nothing more than incite argument. We have an oppertunity to demand that everyone, at least on our forum, takes responsibility for their own actions. \r\nMany of us have been demanding truth and openess from our current leadership. That should be a two way street, applying to each and every member of the HPOCA. \r\nI have a great deal of respect for an individual that believes in and stands behind their viewpoint, even though I may not agree with them. I have nothing but pity for those poor souls that don\'t have the backbone to stand on their own merit.                                       Larry Coltrin <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','1m66d0wh',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3846,906,3,47,0,'12.65.198.116',1094520204,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Usergroup','Hey Chris,\r\n I have been playing dangerous again!! I was thinking! Why couldn\'t you use a membership number for verification, then store this info offline for your referance as webmaster. You could use the name, and expiration date online, then sort by date. This would allow you to address one of the concerns brought up at the board meeting, which was timing of renewal notices. You could use this tool to send a PM or e-mail to those members of the usergroup, as a reminder of pending expiration. Thus, killing two birds with one stone. I know only a small percentage of the total membership are active on the website, but it would be a good place to start. On occasion we do use member numbers for other things, such as a bidders number at our fun auctions. So, it might be important that these numbers not be published, unless the member puts it out themself. I know I wouldn\'t want someone to play a prank and bid me in for $1,000 on a pencil. I think someone tried something similar to that one time as a joke, I think the member said \'Whoa, that is MY number!\' I remember something like that a few years ago. I think the actual bidder wanted the item and was just joking around!\r\nI intend to come to your place Saturday for Plow Day!! Perhaps, I will be able to get with Larry Widner, he made all of the Bylaws Committee meetings, and we can take the referance list I used at the Membership Meeting, for the recommended changes, to compile a list that will be understandable to the members, so that the members will have something to refer to that outlines the recommendations. My list would not be too understandable, as I had knowledge of the recommendations, and used it as a \'bookmark\'.\r\nWhat do you think?\r\nI got to go to work, so that I can get back in time to head to Michigan!!\r\nTake Care!!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','1z6ryibj',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3847,902,3,110,0,'152.163.253.2',1094520872,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Very good points Larry','Your absolutely right in what you said Larry. I find it quite ironic that everybody who has chose to dissagree on various subjects in the past, who has been man enough to put his name and # behind his words, has been tagged as a \"Renegade\", while others, some of who have screamed for peace on here and ridiculed those same renegades for their behaviour, have now been caught on yt mag hiding under hidden ID smashing others for no just cause. Your words sum it up perfectly.','',0,'QA==','84fgy3le',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3848,903,3,110,0,'152.163.253.2',1094521807,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Andy','Thanks for the reply Andy. You touched on all the points i was interested in. One concern i have with the whole procedure is the Blank Ballots. I feel that a panel of neutral individuals not directly involved with current BOD or incoming hopefulls should be in charge of the blank ballots. I think it should also be made public to the membership how many of these blanks are printed and eventually used. All this is kinda wishful thinkin maybe, considering Mr Allen couldnt even tell us if membership was up or down. Makes ya think its gonna be tough to even have the ballots printed  when ya dont know how many members you have, wouldnt ya think?  Hey Andy, that sounds like a good job for you to spearhead, whatya think???','',0,'QA==','xo210cf9',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3849,902,3,10611,0,'209.153.156.173',1094524611,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:4x2xw9zd]That would be great Chris. I know some members may have lost their membership cards or forgotten their number. How can they find out what their number is?    It used to be on the mailing label of the magazine. Is it still?\n\nDanny Tabor   #747\n\nThank you for taking on the extra work![/quote:4x2xw9zd]\r\n\r\nYour membership number is on your mailing label, as is your expiration date. McMillen Communications added the 1000 before the membership numbers, because the numbers we had conflicted with other clients they already had in their system. If you start at the left take the 1 and all of the 0\'s up to the first non-zero out, you\'ll get your original membership number. Yours would look like 10000747 on your mailing label.  Of course the label is on the poly bag now, so be sure to take a look at it before you throw it away.','',0,'gA==','4x2xw9zd',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3850,902,3,614,0,'205.188.116.76',1094525542,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I have a question then as well.\r\n\r\nMy father was a member   and   we let  his membership expire.\r\nIf he signed back up would he get his old number back --given its been 7 or 8 yrs ago.','',0,'gA==','2rhahzpy',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3851,902,3,10611,0,'209.153.156.173',1094526408,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','[quote=&quot;edchainsaw&quot;:3b6411cy]I have a question then as well.\n\nMy father was a member   and   we let  his membership expire.\nIf he signed back up would he get his old number back --given its been 7 or 8 yrs ago.[/quote:3b6411cy]\r\n\r\nMcMillen would assign him a new number. If you call and ask them for your old number, they will usually re-activate it, if it hasn\'t been long since you ran out. I\'m not sure what the policy would be for one from that long ago, but I\'m going to say that they are going to insist on a new number since information could have changed in that time. Things like phone area codes, new addresses being assigned for 911 reasons, and people moving are why they don\'t go back too far. Give them a call, it doesn\'t hurt to ask. 1-866-418-5548, 9 to 5, M-F, central time.','',0,'gA==','3b6411cy',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3852,897,3,614,0,'205.188.116.143',1094526631,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','you sure can.   However sometimes  even a mild mannered person like me gets strired up and  blows and I am (as of yet)  a paid member with a stake.    \r\n\r\nI even think  sometimes  somepeople read more into what somepeople say than they need to!','',0,'gA==','20c07e6e',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3853,903,3,614,0,'205.188.116.11',1094527356,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','wouldnt it be nice to  not have to worry about  blank ballots getting voted..    \r\n\r\nI would rather plow too.  got a new (junk) 2bottom  trip plow I want to get the s66 to pull sometime.','',0,'gA==','13xb556r',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3854,436,6,676,0,'199.42.80.225',1094583566,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','We have an LA Case, a Massy-Harris 44, a Massy- Harris 81, and a MM Five Star.  The 44 and MM are used pretty much every day (in addition to the Super 55 that is <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: -->).','',0,'gA==','my9mf0ds',1,0,'',676,0,0),(3855,907,3,116,0,'66.71.221.97',1094598941,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','promotion &amp; publicity','Anyone know if the BOD appointed anybody at the summer meeting?\r\n Pres. Allen said thats when he hoped to fill the position, hadn\'t heard anything about who it was.\r\n                                  Todd Kline','',0,'gA==','3sq1t0do',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3856,907,3,88,0,'4.155.93.176',1094600983,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','From what I heard, most of the board didn\'t show for the summer meeting. In view of that, I doubt that the position was filled. Sad that so few of the board members care enough to come to the show.','',0,'gA==','3b98vvm9',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3857,436,6,614,0,'152.163.253.2',1094602677,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','we have  approximatly 25  two-cylinder john deeres  +  2  modern\r\n                                  10  IH\'s\r\n                                    6 Mhf\'s (thats massey harris fergusons because they were all built during the mid 50\'s)\r\n                                     3 MM\'s\r\n                                     2 AC\'s\r\n                                     4 Cockshutts ( delux series)\r\n                                     1 co-op model C\r\n         and     4 old olivers  and  3 55 series','',0,'gA==','3p1doyc8',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3858,907,3,464,0,'24.154.83.149',1094608887,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','This is one reason why we need to change the meeting locations/formats.   I\'m all for having video teleconferencing, or some similar BOD meeting method.  Once it\'s set up, the expense shouldn\'t be too bad.\r\n\r\nEd','',0,'gA==','3dllf4fs',1,0,'',464,0,0),(3860,909,1,676,0,'199.42.80.225',1094653978,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver Tach / Speedometer','Is seems that every Oliver tractor that I know, has non-functional tach/speedo units.   Does anyone know where one can get a replacement or have your unit rebuilt?  I have been looking for some time now and have not found a source.','',0,'gA==','29ob0ajy',1,0,'',676,0,0),(3861,909,1,674,0,'66.90.222.160',1094689069,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','tach','try   korvesoliver.com','',0,'gA==','lsjlzghw',1,0,'',674,0,0),(3862,910,3,238,0,'64.12.116.143',1094703265,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','2 canidates for president','I thought all ought to know that besides WrenchBender (John Hume) there is another canidate for the office of president running against Terry Allen. Dean Smith is the current president of the Great Northern Oliver Collector chapter. Dean resides in Hayfield MN and his phone numbers are;(507)477-3423 and (507)477-3017. Dean does not own a computer so I offered to post his info here. He said feel free to contact him. He works for the USPO and has a custom hay operation. \r\nHe made it a point to tell me that He was approached by two members of the nominating committee before being nominated and questioned extensively on His views of the HPO (muesum)\r\nHis views?\r\nHe\'s not keen on having the HPOCA connected directly with the HPO\r\nHe thinks that the club is solvent enough to lower the dues\r\nHe would like to have meetings (BOD etc) in Charles City \r\nHe would like to see more chapter involvement in th HPOCA BOD\r\nSays the HPOCA needs a change in government\r\nDean has run for president and vice president offices in the past. He stated that He has never missed a summer show/meeting or winter get together/meeting\r\nI enjoyed chatting with Dean and think Him to be of high moral character with the backbone to get things done.                    Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','3406oe40',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3863,911,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1094739694,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','shocking stuff on YT','As many of you know there is a lot of nasty comments and outright embarrassing posts to HPOCA being put on the YT forum.  The thought at first was that many of the unsigned posts were put on by non-HPOCA members just trying to stir up trouble or getting their jollies off of it.  \r\n\r\n        One of the nice things about the YT site is that in the heading of your post, your computers I.C.P. number will appear.  For those who aren\'t familiar with this. The ICP number is basically your computers finger prints. \r\nSo with the ICP number you can track down all the posts made by that computer. \r\n\r\n           On September 5th there was a post entitled BooHooHoo, after reading it I was outraged and embarrassed. At the time I had thought there was absolutely NO WAY a member of HPOCA could have possibly written it.  At that point I had decided to check that post\'s ICP number with the ICP number of other posts. It took quite awhile rooting through all the posts but when I finally found a match. I was shocked.  I believe you will be as well.\r\n\r\n          I will first show the BooHooHoo post and several posts under it with matching ICP numbers. The ICP will be the number in parentheses after the date of the post. \r\n___________________\r\n\r\nPosted by BooHooHoo on September 05, 2004 at 14:09:47\r\nfrom (216.158.74.151):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: Re: HPOCA posted by Eric The Red on\r\nSeptember 05, 2004 at 11:34:53:\r\n\r\nAll this mess over one sarcastic, hateful blonde that\r\ncouldn\'t cooperate with the board of directors enough\r\nto hold on to her $45,000/yr. job.\r\n---------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on April 03, 2004 at 06:52:22 from\r\n(216.158.74.143):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: Oliver 80 ser# posted by Adam Whyte on\r\nApril 02, 2004 at 06:15:23:\r\n\r\nAdam,\r\n1st. 80 R.C. 109152\r\n1st. 80 R.C./with high radiator 109602\r\n1st. 80 R.C./with 4-speed trans. 109853\r\n\r\nYours is 4th.with high radiator\r\n-----------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on May 22, 2004 at 09:19:12 from\r\n(216.158.74.202):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: Oliver Identification Plate posted by\r\nEdward J. Stammer on May 22, 2004 at 07:19:36:\r\n\r\nYou tractor appears to be a 1958 Super 66.\r\n---------------------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on June 01, 2004 at 15:20:07 from\r\n(216.158.74.185):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: 770 Ring Gear posted by John, Ohio on May\r\n31, 2004 at 18:45:15:\r\n\r\nI have a 770 ring gear. I am located in Southern Ohio,\r\nIf interested call 937-981-3985 \r\n------------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on June 03, 2004 at 06:56:47 from\r\n(216.158.74.63):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: oliver super 55 posted by howie brenner\r\non June 02, 2004 at 15:22:55:\r\n\r\nI have a good manifold. Call at 937-981-3985 if\r\ninterested. \r\n----------------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on June 03, 2004 at 07:01:45 from\r\n(216.158.74.63):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: 880 Paint code posted by Brad on May 31,\r\n2004 at 19:21:29:\r\n\r\n99L-3751 (Martin-Senour)\r\n5316AM (Dupont Centari) \r\n-------------------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on June 07, 2004 at 09:52:09 from\r\n(216.158.74.196):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: Green Paint? posted by Mark on June 06,\r\n2004 at 16:45:46:\r\n\r\n99L-8746 is way too dark for a Super series tractor.\r\nUse 99L-3751.\r\n-----------------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on June 13, 2004 at 08:23:30 from\r\n(216.158.74.117):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: starter ring gear for a 550 posted by\r\nharvey willis on June 12, 2004 at 20:38:04:\r\n\r\nCorrect ring gear is part# 101765-A. I have one for\r\nsale. If interesed call 937-981-3985. \r\n---------------------------------------\r\n\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on June 28, 2004 at 16:12:11 from\r\n(216.158.74.154):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: Two questions. posted by\r\nJim@concordfarms. on June 28, 2004 at 09:05:53:\r\n\r\nThat was Jerry McMillen. He sold out a few years ago\r\nto Doug Metzger, Minster, Ohio 419-628-2345 He still\r\nsells reproduction manuals.\r\n-----------------------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on July 19, 2004 at 14:58:05 from\r\n(216.158.74.84):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: Re: Re: Oliver Manifold source posted by\r\nJD on July 19, 2004 at 08:28:46:\r\n\r\nRosewood Machine\r\nRosewood, Ohio\r\n937-362-3871\r\nAsk for Duane Helman\r\n------------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on July 24, 2004 at 14:16:26 from\r\n(216.158.74.64):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: 550 price info posted by Troy Langworthy\r\non July 24, 2004 at 10:18:47:\r\n\r\nThat\'s what parts tractors bring here in Ohio. \r\n---------------------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on August 03, 2004 at 09:12:02\r\nfrom (216.158.74.134):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: super 55 grille posted by Rodger on\r\nAugust 02, 2004 at 13:06:01:\r\n\r\nI have a center strip and grills for a Super 55. If\r\ninterested call 937-981-3985. \r\n------------------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on August 27, 2004 at 09:16:44\r\nfrom (216.158.74.106):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: Live PTO posted by Dan in Ore on August\r\n27, 2004 at 06:05:45:\r\n\r\nHart-Parr had a live power take off in the late\r\n1920\'s. It operated off of the crankshaft thru it\'s\r\nown clutch, completely separate from the main clutch.\r\nIt was pretty much ahead of it\'s time because of the\r\nlack of PTO operated equipment available at the time. \r\n---------------------------------------\r\nPosted by Jim Kline on August 28, 2004 at 08:32:17\r\nfrom (216.158.74.48):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: 18/27 hart parr posted by Mike w J on\r\nAugust 27, 2004 at 20:58:40:\r\n\r\nThe leaf spring seat is correct for a 1930 model. He\r\nis very luckey, most have been replaced with the coil\r\nspring type over the years.\r\n-------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\n        Now all that we know is that all of these posts came from the same computer. We cannot say, only assume who had written them I can say this though. Officers and directors of HPOCA, Jim Kline specifically. Rather than spending so much time looking for ways to hurt the credibility and character of certain members and thus driving more people away from HPOCA.  Maybe you should take some time to look for the computer using your name on posts in the YT forums before it destroys your credibility and character!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor\r\nHPOCA #747\r\n\r\n-in the preview I discover that one of the ICP#\'s is the same as the <!-- s8) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cool.gif\" alt=\"8)\" title=\"Cool\" /><!-- s8) -->  sign','',0,'gA==','1kl1912h',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3864,911,3,238,0,'152.163.253.2',1094748644,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','As a dues paying member of the HPOCA I\'m outraged. It was disgusting and an embarressment to read the post. Discovering whose computer it came from is infuriating! For one of the board members of the HPOCA to make scathing remarks on a persons reputation in an open forum while hiding behind a \"blind\" post is beyond apprehension. \r\nThis board members credibility has been destroyed by his own merit. I can see no benifit for Him to continue as a Board member, and demand His immediate resignation.                        Larry Coltrin#10010535','',0,'gA==','2en3j3gc',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3865,911,3,374,0,'152.163.252.163',1094750993,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','yt posts','Hey Dan....as we have said all along the unsigned posts are made up of ficticious names created by board members or their \"associates\".\r\n\r\n  To take it a little bit further using the same technigue we find that the \"Oh,poor Sherry\" post was made by none other than our own outstanding,proud,long term member(his own words from previous posts),Grant Thede or Canada Grant.Now we have read his posts on how we need to stop all the bickering and get back to doing tractors.One cannot agree more,however,do you really expect us to when its the directors and wonderful members like these that prolong it!!! <!-- s:evil: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_evil.gif\" alt=\":evil:\" title=\"Evil or Very Mad\" /><!-- s:evil: --> \r\n\r\n  You were right Jim Kline, by calling us all renegades,because this club certainly needs them,not either of you!!  Just keep up the great work both of you,as well as your compadres,you\'ve made your bed.Time to head for the tall grass..........we\'ll take it from here.......\r\n\r\nEd Brandt\r\nShort Term Member &amp; Renegade','',0,'gA==','3lgsgou4',1,0,'',374,0,0),(3866,903,3,47,0,'12.64.48.31',1094759238,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Bob,\r\n Technically it was not the duty of the presiding officer to discuss membership issues. It is the duty of the Membership chairman. I can\'t tell you if that was done, I was preoccupied with my duties, and most of the issues would have been discussed the night before at the board meeting. So, it is possible that I could have missed it. That day didn\'t start real good for me anyhow, but it finished out real good, I located a combine I was wanting. I missed some of the parade because of trying to find a copy shop, on Saturday, in rural SD, that was open. So that I would have copies for the members. Which resulted in me and Harley Dawg having to walk from the absolute furthest corner of the parking lot, carrying 700 pages. The further you carry paper the heavier it gets, did you know that? The good thing was Harley Dawg got to ride with Duane Brandt, so he was a happy camper! Things got slightly hectic for me. So, if I messed something because I was attending to my duties please excuse me!!! I am usually better at trying to stay on top of these things. I have another matter to discuss with President Allen, in the near future. Hopefully he will have time to attend the Oliver Gang Plowday. If so, I will discuss this matter of ballot accounting with him. I think the number printed, the number sent out, and the total of remaining, whether voided or blank could be included in the report. The number of those sent out, plus voided and blank should total the printed number, or close enough to have no effect on the outcome of election.\r\nIt was good to discuss these matters with you, feel free to ask if you have more questions!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','1mn1t0b6',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3867,903,3,47,0,'12.64.48.31',1094759737,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Eddie,\r\nYes, plowing is good! Is that a Plowmaster 100? It would be about right for a S66. One of our members pulls a 14\" 2 bottom Plowmaster 100 behind a 77, it does real well. He will be back from Florida the end of this month, I guess we will plow about the end of October, or early November this year, I hope!!! Depends on when the corn gets dry. I am itching to get that combine here, and give it a test spin, so, as soon as the corn will pass a test, it is history!!!! Then we plow!!!!!\r\nTake Care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','yujxd5v4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3868,911,3,238,0,'152.163.252.193',1094767507,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well put Ed. \r\n                       Larry Coltrin #10010535','',0,'gA==','3lzjopvp',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3869,911,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1094778738,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re: shocking stuff on YT','[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:3b615l4v]Rather than spending so much time looking for ways to hurt the credibility and character of certain members and thus driving more people away from HPOCA.  [/quote:3b615l4v]\r\n\r\n <!-- s:!: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif\" alt=\":!:\" title=\"Exclamation\" /><!-- s:!: --> Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!  You guys do nothing on this board but post nasty things and call names at whoever you feel like. Then, someone says a bad word about your hero and you go off!!\r\n\r\nA couple of months ago, I attempted to answer a question for you and what did I receive...a half a dozen nasty posts from your clan.  That\'s certainly not hurting character, is it?  I guess not if it\'s coming from you guys.\r\n\r\nI think there\'s a word for that...hippocrit, I believe.\r\n\r\nBy the way, I, as well as many other members, are tired of you guys taking over the board for your own little agenda.  Talk nice or don\'t talk at all!!\r\n\r\n(2nd post to follow...)','',0,'gA==','3b615l4v',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3870,911,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1094778927,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','ICP address?','Thought I\'d point out an error in your post, danny.  ICP is a point-to-point communication tool, similar to the Instant Messenger programs people run.  I\'m not sure if it even exists anymore, but we used to use it several years ago.\r\n\r\nI believe you were referring to the TCP/IP address, which stands for Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol. This is sometime shortened to IP address.\r\n\r\nYou seem pretty computer savvy, but this is an error you should have caught.  It removes credibility from your claim.\r\n\r\n(next post, another point...)','',0,'gA==','1pel8xd1',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3871,911,3,88,0,'4.155.129.4',1094779340,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well, the so called \"renegades\" are not afraid to identify themselves and stand behind what they say. I would much rather be a renegade than a coward who has to post using fake names. Sad, to see grown men acting that way, isn\'t it?','',0,'gA==','3bpnte7e',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3872,911,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1094779472,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','IP addresses, and how they are assigned','Nice detective work on the IP address thing.  You sure did a lot of homework looking up posts from Jim Kline, which makes me question your motives.\r\n\r\nThe IP address recorded by YTMag.com is the IP address of the machine that sent the message, true.  The computer typically gets its IP address from the Internet Service Provider during the login process.  However, the IP address could also be set manually by a user if the computer is behind a router or server.  As long as the IP address is in the \"range\" that is accepted by the router or server, the IP could be literally anything from 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255.  A savvy computer expert such as yourself could easily set the IP address range of his server or router (anyone can buy one at Best Buy for $40) to the range similar to Jim Kline\'s, or mine, or yours, or whatever.\r\n\r\nSo, this leads me to question if Jim really posted that or not.  Again, a savvy expert such as yourself could have:\r\n1. Picked a patsy, unfortunately Jim on this one. (Notice most of Jim\'s other posts are answering questions to budding Oliver collectors.  Certainly a novel activity by anyone\'s standards.)\r\n2. Researched some of his last posts to determine the IP range (you spent quite a bit of time on this, and then posted it).\r\n3. Setup your IP address to be similar.\r\n4. Then publish the results and wait for the bullets to fly.\r\n\r\nNice work.  I\'m impressed.\r\n\r\nSounds like a \"renegade\" activity.  Any member aiming toward the club\'s best interests wouldn\'t have...','',0,'gA==','byvv819r',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3873,911,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1094779769,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','nobody can have an opinion unless it agrees with yours....','[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:13y92lvb]Well, the so called \"renegades\" are not afraid to identify themselves and stand behind what they say. I would much rather be a renegade than a coward who has to post using fake names. Sad, to see grown men acting that way, isn\'t it?[/quote:13y92lvb]\r\n\r\nYes, Doug.  No one can have an opinion or post it unless it agrees with yours.  That seems pretty mature.\r\n\r\nYou should concentrate on the words in the post and the meaning behind them, and get past the idea that you need a name to bash.\r\n\r\nBy the way, why do you guys continue to bash everyone on this forum who disagrees with you?\r\n\r\n(Note there is no slam here.  Just a question. Now, try to answer intelligently and in a mature tone.)','',0,'gA==','13y92lvb',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3874,911,3,238,0,'152.163.252.164',1094782744,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Mr. Yeildmap,\r\nYou certainly have given us a piece of your mind. I have read and re-read your postS and can find nothing but animosity in them. Your far fetched conclusion that Danny Tabor set Jim Kline up is hardly worth the effort to type it. If you looked at the time frame of the posts on YT, what your suggesting is that 1) the whole system your talking about was set into motion over a span of minutes, or 2) that this setup was preplanned and Danny sat idly by with his computer on and YT Oliver discussion board tuned in for days waiting for a chance to spring his trap. <!-- s:roll: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_rolleyes.gif\" alt=\":roll:\" title=\"Rolling Eyes\" /><!-- s:roll: --> Why do I find those scenarios so hard to believe.\r\nEvidently, you are willing to dismiss the seriousness of the incedent in question, that is your business. I personnaly find it to be an undefendable and and unforgivable act. I would also maintain the same attitude no matter who the subject person was. \r\nYou had three chances to stand behind your point of view, and in each case you chose not to. With that, I can only conclude that you don\'t even believe in yourself.                        Regards, Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','37c3wbe3',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3875,911,3,88,0,'4.155.93.222',1094783509,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well, Mr Yieldmap, perhaps you should read what I wrote again. Where did I say anything about someone not being able to voice their opinion? My only point was about your pals who play childish games posting with phony names. Who did I bash? I think the bashing is quite clear, in reading the posts above mine. \r\n\r\nSo, I take it from your posting that what was said on Y-T by \"boo hoo hoo\"\r\n(AKA Jim Kline) was just fine with you. If he was a man who wanted his words to be taken seriously, maybe he wouldn\'t have had to use that childish identity. It\'s all so ridiculous,,,,,board members playing games, a president who won\'t talk to the membership, and last but not least, forcing a guy into a closet in Lancaster. Come on boys, why don\'t you just grow up a little.\r\n\r\nI welcome anyone to voice their views, in an intelligent mannner, that\'s what this forum is supposed to be about.','',0,'gA==','3gvrzaac',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3876,912,1,662,0,'65.172.185.94',1094783784,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','1650','HOWDY OUT THERE ANY ONE KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND A CENTER STEERING WHEEL  PIECE FOR A 1650 TRACTOR I HAVE SEEN THEM ON TRACTORS BUT I CANNT FIND ONE AROUND ANY HELP WOULD BE VERY MUCH WELCOME','',0,'gA==','2fckg7vz',1,0,'',662,0,0),(3877,911,3,614,0,'205.188.116.22',1094788278,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','yeild map   must have not read  Andy\'s posts last week about RRoO. \r\n\r\nWe \"renegades\"  get talked to about our opionions.  Mr. Yieldmap this is a two way street  My opinion  was my opionion and still is.  Andy Has a different one..  I didnt get   rash with him...   he did with me   questioning my  education level; but  I can see why  he would think that sometimes.\r\n\r\n ALSO  it it  proposterous to  beileve that  Danny  would  work  to  set  Mr klines    #\'s  all the way back 2yrs.   then spring this trap  yesterday.. no way.','',0,'gA==','14gwqfsl',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3878,903,3,614,0,'205.188.116.143',1094788591,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','yes its  a  2 - 14    rooster combe  plow..  really good moboards  totally rotten out tires.  and  a  trip thats rusted itself  together..  be many a day before that  plow  goes to the field   i guess  but  I got $30 in it.\r\n\r\n<!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'gA==','24l37hmd',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3879,913,3,12,0,'69.128.202.146',1094789642,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Oliver Gang Plow Day... FYI','As a candidate for president of HPOCA, I just wanted anyone who is interested to know that I will be attending the Oliver Gang plow day Saturday in Springport MI. I will be more than happy to listen to concerns and discuss my vision for the future of our organization.\r\n\r\nThank you, John Hume.','',0,'gA==','vd5jcc4g',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3880,903,3,47,0,'12.65.144.212',1094816118,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Eddie,\r\n The moldboard are worth that much. Tires shouldn\'t be a problem, sometimes bias tires can be found around a salvage yard, just make sure they aren\'t dry rotted. I know where there are some in Ohio, same guy normally would have a trip for a plowmaster. Why don\'t you try some \'Gibbs\' first, it is good stuff for freeing up parts. I think Wayne Timchuk knows where to find some, his phone number is 419-929-8237. Area code might be different it might be a 937 area code, the phone company in Ohio has been getting silly about area codes lately. But, that is the number I have for him, I know he had some extra \'Gibbs\' a while back. If you get some, spray it on the parts, take a ball peen hammer and soundly tap on them to set up a vibration, don\'t hit hard enough to break something. Do this every day or two, checking to see if the parts are free. In a few days they will free up and work in all likelyhood. If not, get back with me, I\'ll see if a good trip can be found. You might be plowing before you expect to.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','2jcggj0x',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3881,911,3,47,0,'12.65.144.212',1094817276,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Eddie,\r\n I didn\'t question your education level, not even remotely. What I did do was to call into question the accuracy of the post, and ask for an explanation, describing the situation as I know it to be.\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','2z8a5y3h',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3882,911,3,47,0,'12.65.144.212',1094817915,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','What Yieldmap is talking about is known as \'spoofing\'. Anyone who has a routing hub can set set the IP address to any address they wish, at any time they wish, and make the message appear as though it came from that IP address. If someone has your IP number they could send a message that looks like you sent it, I have seen this done before. This could draw into question any results of an investigation of this type.\r\nHave a good day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','2knbwrzr',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3883,911,3,238,0,'205.188.116.143',1094822589,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy,\r\nYou guys are kicking a dead horse! That excuse is not going to work and nobodys\' buying it. Jim Kline opened his mouth real wide and stuck his foot in it. Period. End of story.              Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','2li5wk0a',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3884,911,3,3,0,'12.2.142.7',1094825775,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Believable scenarios','[quote=&quot;39LC&quot;:3nr2bcrx]Why do I find those scenarios so hard to believe.[/quote:3nr2bcrx]\n\nI\'m not sure why you find it hard to believe, as it\'s completely (and evidently) possible.  If I follow the same \"conspiracy theory\" mentality you guys take on every decision the board makes, then it leads me to believe you\'re creating a conspiracy of your own.\n\n[quote=&quot;39LC&quot;:3nr2bcrx]Evidently, you are willing to dismiss the seriousness of the incedent in question, that is your business.[/quote:3nr2bcrx]\n\nSeriousness?  Did somebody get killed?  \n\n[quote=&quot;39LC&quot;:3nr2bcrx]I would also maintain the same attitude no matter who the subject person was. [/quote:3nr2bcrx]\r\n\r\nNow that\'s a good one!!  You\'ve slung just as much, if not more, mud on this and other forums as anyone.  What you meant to say was \"as long as that person is against my views, it is unforgivable.  Otherwise, if they\'re with me, have at em!\"','',0,'gA==','3nr2bcrx',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3885,436,6,98,0,'209.51.206.38',1094826446,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','In my barn I have \r\n        Oliver 550 Diesel\r\n        Oliver 77   Diesel\r\n        Oliver S88 Diesel\r\n        Cletrac BGS-H\r\n        Farmall  M\r\n        Farmall  H\r\n        Farmall  Cub (#893)\r\n        John deere A (slant dash)\r\n        John Deere B\r\n        Ford 9N\r\n        Allis Chalmers C\r\n        Cub Cadet 71\r\n\r\n    Mike Kirkpatrick   #689','',0,'gA==','h2ey552j',1,0,'',98,0,0),(3886,911,3,3,0,'12.2.142.7',1094826526,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Opinions','[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:3ewdb305]Where did I say anything about someone not being able to voice their opinion? My only point was about your pals who play childish games posting with phony names. Who did I bash? [/quote:3ewdb305]\n\nEverytime someone gets on the forum to voice their opinion against yours, you bash.  It\'s just the way you guys work.  I\'ve seen several posts praising the board\'s decisions, only to receive a good bashing from your crew.  You might not \"say\" that people can\'t voice their opinions without your wrath, but your actions speak louder.\n\n[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:3ewdb305]So, I take it from your posting that what was said on Y-T by \"boo hoo hoo\" was just fine with you. [/quote:3ewdb305]\n\nThe issue here is that it\'s highly probably that this is a scam set up by the renegades.  Danny presented a great picture of one scenario, I simply presented another scenario.\n\n[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:3ewdb305]It\'s all so ridiculous,,,,,board members playing games, a president who won\'t talk to the membership[/quote:3ewdb305]\n\nFunny, I\'m a member and I talked with the president not long ago.  In fact, I believe he talked with quite a few members lately.  Wait a minute...didn\'t he talk to the members during the Madison show?  If there were any questions among the membership, wouldn\'t they have been brought up at that meeting?\n\n[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:3ewdb305]I welcome anyone to voice their views, in an intelligent mannner, that\'s what this forum is supposed to be about.[/quote:3ewdb305]\r\n\r\nYour actions speak louder.  You guys are the first to trash people when they voice their opinion.  That is much more childish than any handle you can come up with.','',0,'gA==','3ewdb305',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3887,911,3,3,0,'12.2.142.7',1094826663,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Springing the trap','[quote=&quot;edchainsaw&quot;:30x8ube6] ALSO  it it  proposterous to  beileve that  Danny  would  work  to  set  Mr klines    #\'s  all the way back 2yrs.   then spring this trap  yesterday.. no way.[/quote:30x8ube6]\r\n\r\nDanny did not have to set Mr. Kline\'s IP numbers for two years.  He simply had to look up some of his posts (which he did) and then set his IP address to be in the same range.\r\n\r\nThis was not a long-term scheme, but somthing that was done rather quickly.','',0,'gA==','30x8ube6',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3888,911,3,88,0,'4.155.93.170',1094829573,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Mr Yield (whoever you may be) You sure are concerned about defending the board and pres.....\r\n\r\n\r\nSo, since you are a member of the \"inner circle\", tell me why Mr Allen never bothered to answer the questions that have been asked of him on this forum? (the ones he agreed that he would answer) Do we have to travel to South Dakota to get a few words from our leader? \r\n\r\nYou seem to have the answer to everything as you tell us we are all wrong, so why don\'t you be a good HPOCA member and share some of your information with us.\r\n\r\n\r\nJust be careful of your use of the English language, the word \"bash\" does not mean the same as disagree. It seems in your world, anyone who doesn\'t agree with (and lick the boots of) our president and board is a basher.','',0,'gA==','33ogeb2o',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3889,911,3,3,0,'12.2.142.7',1094830868,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:qscicpgr]So, since you are a member of the \"inner circle\", tell me why Mr Allen never bothered to answer the questions that have been asked of him on this forum[/quote:qscicpgr]\n\nWow, I\'ve never been part of an \"inner circle\" before.  Is there a special handshake?  Do I get a discount off Oliver parts now?  This is great!!\n\nI would not begin to propose why Mr. Allen has not answered your questions.  Maybe a phone call to him would be the best way to find out.  Maybe bashing him on the board is a bad way to find out.  Just a thought.  It would seem to me that the more you insult a person, the less likely they are to respond to your insults.  Try another approach, eh?\n\nNo, you don\'t have to travel to South Dakota.  You could use the phone.  That\'s what most people do.\n\n[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:qscicpgr]It seems in your world, anyone who doesn\'t agree with (and lick the boots of) our president and board is a basher.[/quote:qscicpgr]\r\n\r\nNow, there you go again with the insults...and you were doing so well up to then.  I know it\'s hard, but try to be civil.','',0,'gA==','qscicpgr',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3890,911,3,88,0,'4.155.93.81',1094843016,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','As usual, Yield, you once again miss the point. So, I will restate:\r\n\r\nMr Allen was presented with a list of questions, very reasonable questions.\r\nHe agreed to answer such questions , to this forum and it\'s members.\r\nHe refuses to do this. Will my calling him accomplish this?...I think not.\r\nHe knows what the membership has been asking, and it is a PUBLIC answer to those questions they have been waiting for. Last fall, he promised he would give us a full explanation in the magazine, and he did not do it there. That is why many of us are upset and have asked the questions again, only to be ignored again. Mr Allen could have put an end to this long ago, but he refuses. \r\n\r\nIf you call commenting on what a person agreed to do, but has not, bashing, well go right ahead. I feel the membership of HPOCA has been bashed, ignored and lied to, so, that\'s my opinion. If anyone else\'s shares it, fine, if not they can have their say also. \r\n\r\nI don\'t know what his reasons are for saying he would, but now not doing it. Maybe he\'s under a gag order from his attorney, but I am only speculating. You seem to have quite an interest in this, so I am (once again) assuming you are somehow connected to the \r\nhierarchy of HPOCA. But I guess all you are is another yes man for the board, or maybe one of them yourself. We have no way of knowing who you are.\r\n\r\nYou will , I am sure take this message apart, and quote sections of it in you cleverly worded response. \r\n\r\nHave a nice day, Mr Yield, and try not to get too upset about this, it\'s not good for ones health.','',0,'gA==','q6dg4aln',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3891,911,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1094844669,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','WOW look at this futile attempt to discredit me. By whom, yieldmap who by the way doesn\'t belong to any inner circle. No he\'s just the son of Bill Meeker HPOCA board of director and everybody\'s friend Andy Blackwood.\r\n\r\n     Now I can understand Sam Meeker\'s trying to ruin my character but Andy I just don\'t.  Now as everybody knows Andy was/ still is the chairman of the by-laws committee. You would think Andy would congratulate me and tell me that these posts that are designed to cause greater problems within the club, is the exact reason why this was put in the new by-laws  \r\n\r\n ARTICLE X, section D: Disciplinary Procedure: No member shall engage or assist those engaging in activity which is injurious, libelous, or detrimental to HPOCA, it\'s purposes, or the good name of HPOCA. Penalty for those found to be guilty of such activity shall be limited to reprimand, fine, suspension, or expulsion. Trial procedure shall be compliant to Roberts Rules of Order. \r\n\r\nSammy Meeker, I\'d like to ask you, How do you know so much about computer fraud?   It takes a very dishonest mind to even think of  that!\r\n\r\nAndy Blackwood, What is the purpose of the by-law above and who enforces it.  In this case would it be used to protect the integrity of HPOCA or because it was a board member. Nothing will come about of it or everything would be muddied over and turned around to make the complainants look like the one\'s at fault.\r\n\r\nI have to commend both gentlemen for your being so fast in an attempt to ruin my credibility. I suppose thats your idea of damage control. I suppose that was the purpose of the BooHooHoo post on YT or was it to take pressure away from the officers and directors after the summer show. \r\n\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor\r\nHPOCA #747\r\n\r\nbecause of the lack of credibility in both of you. Your posts only greaten my credibility....Thank you','',0,'gA==','4oqbtqwk',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3892,911,3,3,0,'12.2.142.7',1094847141,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Using the phone 101','Not to let you down...\r\n\r\n[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:yky8lp0g]Will my calling him accomplish this?...I think not.[/quote:yky8lp0g]\nHave you tried?  I would hate to see you give up without trying.\n\n[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:yky8lp0g]...and it is a PUBLIC answer to those questions they have been waiting for...Maybe he\'s under a gag order from his attorney, but I am only speculating. [/quote:yky8lp0g]\r\n\r\nOK, so you want a PUBLIC answer to the questions, which you assume he is under a gag order from his attorney not to answer.  Looks to me like you just answered your own question.  So, what\'s the big deal?\r\n\r\nIn fact, as Danny posted below, you could be violating Article X, Section D of the bylaws by trying to encourage the President to legally endanger the club.  I hope Danny doesn\'t press charges against you.','',0,'gA==','yky8lp0g',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3893,911,3,3,0,'12.2.142.7',1094847701,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','The &quot;outer circle&quot; is getting smaller','[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:90jl2lfq]doesn\'t belong to any inner circle. [/quote:90jl2lfq]\n\nSince when does being the son of a board member make a person involved in the \"inner circle?\"  I\'ll contend that there is no \"inner circle\", but rather two kinds of people in the club:  The kind interested in learning the issues and moving on, and the kind interested in damaging the club for their own reasons.  The former have talked with their board members and president and have satisfied their curiosity.  The latter are still complaining on the internet.\n\n[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:90jl2lfq]\nSammy Meeker, I\'d like to ask you, How do you know so much about computer fraud?[/quote:90jl2lfq]\r\n\r\nAn understanding of how IP addresses are assigned and communicated over the internet is certainly not a lesson in computer fraud.  You put quite a story together, and I simply offered another scenario.  Maybe it wasn\'t you who did it; maybe it was one of your croonies.  Whatever.  Good show, though.','',0,'gA==','90jl2lfq',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3894,911,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1094849503,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','OK, so you want a PUBLIC answer to the questions, which you assume he is under a gag order from his attorney not to answer. Looks to me like you just answered your own question. So, what\'s the big deal? \r\n\r\nGenerally when a lawyer puts somebody under gag order it is to keep him from incriminating himself or to he has done something that he could be sued over. Anyway you look at it the news is not good!  Is that the story here? Thank You Sam, you\'ve answered more than you know!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor\r\nHPOCA #747','',0,'gA==','300l5bv4',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3895,911,3,3,0,'12.2.142.7',1094853193,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','guesses, assumptions, etc.','[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:1qlbxqmg]Generally when a lawyer puts somebody under gag order it is to keep him from incriminating himself or to he has done something that he could be sued over. [/quote:1qlbxqmg]\r\n\r\nNice assumption, but not necessarily true.  When we receive a \"gag order\" or a hold on business files for a particular issue, it is never to protect ourselves, but rather to protect the company.\r\n\r\nDoug\'s guess at the gag order is just that, his guess.\r\n\r\nYou guys are creating some really good conspiracy theories here, none of which have any merit.  Cobble together whatever story you want...it\'s your story.  I guess it\'s kinda like the IP address thing...','',0,'gA==','1qlbxqmg',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3896,911,3,88,0,'4.155.69.67',1094859565,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well, Mr Yield, if it\'s not a gag prder, why don\'t you enlighten us? You say it\'s not? So, I take your word for that.  If you do know that\'s not the reason, you must know what the reason is.','',0,'gA==','3a4xfkaf',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3897,911,3,3,0,'128.248.250.44',1094860729,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','No secrets here','The whole conspiracy theory of yours states that there is some major secret being kept from you.  Apparently you also think that I am a part of this \"inner circle\" who knows this information and will not share it.\r\n\r\nThis is interesting, but not true.  There is no secret to share.  I have no more information than you do, because there is no \"secret.\"\r\n\r\nSorry to break your bubble.','',0,'gA==','204ocf1c',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3898,911,3,88,0,'4.155.93.216',1094866885,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','First, Yield, who , other than you ever used the term \"conspiracy theory\"?\r\nYou seem to be getting awfully defensive for a guy who has no connection to the board. \r\n\r\nA few messages back, you stated that their is no gag order on the pres,,,,,\r\nyou state this as if you really know that\'s the truth. Now you say you don\'t know any more than I do. \r\n\r\nSo, which is it,,,,,you do, or don\'t know, and if you don\'t,,,,,the point you seem to be trying to make got lost somewhere along the way','',0,'gA==','13xtx5mq',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3899,911,3,47,0,'12.64.158.56',1094868354,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Danny,\r\n The purpose for Article X, Section D, is to protect the corporation, it also allows for trials to be conducted compliant to Roberts Rules of Order. You can investigate this yourself, it seems you guys don\'t like when I inform you of the provisions of Roberts. So, you can buy at Borders or any good bookstore, Library of Congress # ISBN 0-7382-0307-6, which is the only current and authorized edition.\r\n You should do your investigating better, address possible unknown factors, this reminds me of the investigating you did at the WGT over the missing bylaw. I believe that message was spoofed, it is just not Jim Kline\'s style, he doesn\'t use a computer screen to duck behind like some others. I\'ve been thinking it over, he might very well say something like that, but he would not hide and post something like that. I asked him directly if he did, he told me he did not. I believe this to be factual, as he has always been an in your face kind of guy. I don\'t know who spoofed that message, but it must have been someone who had a grudge. It seems very odd that this would happen immediately after a Summer Show when everything went very smoothly, everybody had a good time, and there were no conflicts, just a fun show!!!! \'Nuf said, I am going to do fun things, fuss and fume all you like!!!\r\nHave a good day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','36v5t5mo',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3900,903,3,614,0,'152.163.100.196',1094868395,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I have a can or two of Gibbs  we were using to try and  get a  Massy 555 head loose with (that failed).\r\n\r\nI will not be messing with the plow much till  the regular mail carrier gets back and we  get harvest over with--- we start when the IH dealer finnaly gets our  combine back together.\r\n\r\nThe Trip on this old plow is totally exposed and I think your  Rapp  method is all I will need --that and new springs.  I started soaking the parts  the other day with wd40===ya I know its just cheaper LOL.\r\n\r\n\r\nThanks  ANDY!\r\neddie','',0,'gA==','3ms5c0ik',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3901,914,3,614,0,'152.163.100.196',1094868802,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Secondary Show','For  all  of you that didnt Know  there is a   Show  at  Elnora,IN  this weekend  Featuring Oliver-hartparr.\r\n\r\nThere are several really nice  machines  there today    several  of the 99 chassis tractors.     \r\n\r\nI will not be able to go back tomarrow but would like to  have taken back  some more of  our machines  rather than the  1 Super66 diesel  ugly as it is.\r\n\r\nIts looking like there was more  AC\'s  there last year  which is a bad thing guys!   These are better looking machines!     \r\nI wish I was able to talk with more of you at this show--but I am a bit shy and was hanging out with the son of my  highschool  friends and his lawntractors.   Sorry.\r\n\r\nEddie.','',0,'gA==','1qh297ch',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3902,911,3,238,0,'152.163.100.14',1094869367,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Sam,\r\nThank you for responding. I appreciate the fact that You are at least conversing with some of the membership. You may not be a board member, but being a blood relative is the closest thing to it. After waiting for , pleading, prodding, daring and challenging our board We FINALY got as close to authority as we probably ever will.\r\nAlthough I don\'t really agree with anything you have said up to this point, I have to admire your fastedious approach to your point of view. \r\nAs for mud slinging, You will have to refresh my memory because I don\'t think that I have ever tried to defame anyones personal character, especially by calling them names. Nor by starting vicious rumors intended to have serious personal consiquences. Nor by slandering someone with a blind post the way Jim Kline did to Sherry.        Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','1xuzec4v',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3903,911,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1094915755,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','The only theory I have on this issue is based on facts\r\n\r\nfact- within a few issues Oliver Heritage has grown beyond most peoples                                           expectations\r\n\r\nfact- two people whom are greatly respected by HPOCA members are closely associated with Oliver Heritage. Landis Zimmerman and Sherry Schaefer who are members of HPOCA as well.\r\n\r\nfact- HPOCA leadership views Oliver Heritage as competition and a threat for taking members away from HPOCA.\r\n\r\nfact-the president of HPOCA is misinforming members and allowing lies and rumors to spread in an attempt to create suspicion within the HPOCA membership and take credibility away from Landis Zimmerman and Sherry Schaefer.\r\n\r\nThese are the facts! My theory is that the post below was created and sent   by a current HPOCA director. \r\n_________________________________\r\nPosted by BooHooHoo on September 05, 2004 at 14:09:47\r\nfrom (216.158.74.151):\r\n\r\nIn Reply to: Re: HPOCA posted by Eric The Red on\r\nSeptember 05, 2004 at 11:34:53:\r\n\r\nAll this mess over one sarcastic, hateful blonde that\r\ncouldn\'t cooperate with the board of directors enough\r\nto hold on to her $45,000/yr. job. \r\n____________________________\r\nI\'m certain at the time he thought it was for the good of HPOCA....an embarrassment!\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor\r\nHPOCA #747','',0,'gA==','2q7yn3ne',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3904,915,6,3,0,'128.248.250.44',1094915990,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPOCA Site is Wireless PDA ready!!','FYI all,\r\n\r\nI\'ve been playing with my latest toy, a Dell Axim with wireless.  The HPOCA site loads and works well on the small screen size, including the forum and pictures.\r\n\r\nKudos to Chris for PDA-friendly site design!!\r\n\r\n <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','3hkekju3',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3905,911,3,606,0,'24.149.10.31',1094920648,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','As someone with NO connections to either side of this thing, but who has watched it for quite awhile, I have a question for the \"renegades\". When this started, Sherry received a letter saying why she got fired. She said she would post it after she got what was owed to her from the club. The letter explained her contract termination, she made posts saying if you called her she would tell you what it said. It has never been posted. If you want answers, I\'m sure you could get a few there. Other wise maybe the hypocrite thing is wearing thin on who will answer what publicly. If she was wrongfully terminated, let her use the profits from oliver heritage to sue. If she didn\'t meet her contract and was terminated, good luck and godspeed. Post the letter, sue, or pick something else to complain about.','',0,'gA==','1tulfxjj',1,0,'',606,0,0),(3906,911,3,423,0,'204.110.170.5',1094922210,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\nPlease hurry up and get the system changed so that we can see exactly who is saying what. This set of post is a perfect example of why we should have a members only portion of our forum. I don\'t believe that a lot of these slanderous, pro e-board post would be made if everyone knew who was doing the posting.\r\n\r\nSilent Renegade,\r\nBrad Austin','',0,'gA==','2n79zs58',1,0,'',423,0,0),(3907,911,3,88,0,'4.155.93.136',1094923967,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','From what I heard, Sherry said (correct me if I am wrong) that she was willing to tell anyone who wanted to know what was in the letter. I think she may have decided not to post it to avoid more conflict. The issue here is not only about Sherry\'s firing, but the way the board has handled some other matters as well.\r\n\r\nI for one have no problem saying who I am as i have before. Doug Grandy, member #3614, not sure if I will renew, either','',0,'gA==','6eu94uhn',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3908,911,3,3,0,'128.248.250.44',1094927324,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','facts?  more like speculations...','[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:18oqr782]fact- within a few issues Oliver Heritage has grown beyond most peoples expectations\n[/quote:18oqr782]\nA \"few issues?\"  How about 2.  I\'m not a subscriber, but I understand she has published 2.  Here\'s a definition for you:\nFew: An indefinitely small number of persons or things\nI\'ll go with you on that, few is a good word.\n\nGrown beyond expectations:  How about a formula: Beyond expectations = actual performance - expected performance.  \"Beyond\" would be a positive number if either the actual performance was great, or if the expected performance was low.  I certainly hope you didn\'t expect the performance to be low.\n\nFor Sherry\'s continuance, I hope the magazine is great and she gets millions of subscribers.  The only thing better than 1 Oliver Magazine is 2.  <!-- s:!: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_exclaim.gif\" alt=\":!:\" title=\"Exclamation\" /><!-- s:!: --> \n\nPer analysis, this fact may be true.\n[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:18oqr782]fact- two people whom are greatly respected by HPOCA members are closely associated with Oliver Heritage. Landis Zimmerman and Sherry Schaefer who are members of HPOCA as well.[/quote:18oqr782]\nI might argue with the words \"are greatly respected\" in your fact.  In light of the recent events, the words \"were greatly respected\" may need to be inserted.  I haven\'t any survey data from the membership to confirm nor deny this fact.\n\n[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:18oqr782]fact- HPOCA leadership views Oliver Heritage as competition and a threat for taking members away from HPOCA.\n[/quote:18oqr782]\nHere\'s where the \"facts\" start to fall apart.  How exactly is a magazine competition to a club?  A club has members, while a magazine has subscribers.  A club has annual shows and get-togethers, while a magazine uses these events to get subscribers.  This seems like a mutual relationship, rather than competition.\n\nRegardless, I doubt if the BOD is \"shaking in their shoes\" about the magazine.  Not being a BOD member, however, I can\'t confirm.\n\nI disagree with this \"fact\" and don\'t believe you can call it a \"fact\" in your analysis.\n\n[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:18oqr782]fact-the president of HPOCA is misinforming members and allowing lies and rumors to spread in an attempt to create suspicion within the HPOCA membership and take credibility away from Landis Zimmerman and Sherry Schaefer.\n[/quote:18oqr782]\r\n\r\nThis doesn\'t sound like a \"fact\", either.  The last time I spoke with the president, he did not misinform me or any other members.  He does not create suspicion within the membership.  He does not take credibility away from Landis or Sherry.\r\n\r\nHe does allow lies and rumors to spread, particularly on this site, particularly from the renegades.  But, the site must allow everyone to speak.  If he shut down the lies and rumors, you guys would really start complaining.','',0,'gA==','18oqr782',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3909,911,3,3,0,'128.248.250.44',1094927448,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Authority','[quote=&quot;39LC&quot;:w6sq5udc]We FINALY got as close to authority as we probably ever will.[/quote:w6sq5udc]\r\n\r\nDon\'t get too excited, Larry.  I hate to be considered an authority.  I\'m just a member, like you.','',0,'gA==','w6sq5udc',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3910,911,3,3,0,'128.248.250.44',1094927686,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','different?','[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:31ybdzyy]From what I heard, Sherry said (correct me if I am wrong) that she was willing to tell anyone who wanted to know what was in the letter. I think she may have decided not to post it to avoid more conflict.[/quote:31ybdzyy]\r\n\r\nSo.....how is it different if the pres decided not to publish the \"reasons behind the firing\" for the same conflict avoidance?  Why is he then considered evil?\r\n\r\nRegardless, I think most of the membership has forgotten about it and is moving on.','',0,'gA==','31ybdzyy',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3911,911,3,88,0,'4.155.129.10',1094930254,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','To: Yieldmap (said to be son of a board member)','The reason,,,\"Mr, Not connected, and I don\'t know anything\" that it is different is that Sherry does not have any responsibilty to anyone to provide answers. She was a private contractor, not a club president.\r\nBut even considering that, she was always more responsive to the members than any one else has been.\r\n\r\nThe president of HPOCA makes decisions that affect many (1000\'s) of members. Second,,he did promise on various occasions to provide these answers.  Get your facts straight for you go making your accusations. \r\n\r\nNo one, at least not I, ever called the president \"evil\", those were your words\r\n\r\nI also can\'t believe that we have a president and board so weak that one the board members son\'s has to do the talking on here.','',0,'gA==','3ooq5tnd',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3912,911,3,3,0,'128.248.250.44',1094932376,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','\'doin the talking?','[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:8419sqvq]I also can\'t believe that we have a president and board so weak that one the board members son\'s has to do the talking on here.[/quote:8419sqvq]\r\n\r\nThat\'s very flattering, but there is no \"doing the talking\" involved.  You guys are \"doing\" just as much talking as I am on this board.\r\n\r\nSo, in your world, am I not allowed to use this board if I am related to a BOD member?\r\n\r\nIt\'s funny that you guys want to know what\'s going on in the HPOCA, but you try to chase off people who will talk to you.\r\n\r\nHere\'s a question:  If these issues are so important to the \"membership,\" why weren\'t any of them brought up at the latest membership meeting, in SD?  Didn\'t the renegades send a representative?  Why didn\'t the representative \"stand up and ask the tough questions?\"\r\n\r\nNow, that would take some guts, eh?','',0,'gA==','8419sqvq',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3913,911,3,88,0,'4.155.126.4',1094933307,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Boy, I\'m kinda disapointed at your response. I thought you could do better than that.\r\n\r\nAgain where did I ever say you could not talk? My point is, I would think maybe the pres, or a board member or two could say something here. \r\n\r\nI know that you are a pipeline for them.\r\n\r\n (I left that line in the open, so you can quote it easier.)\r\n\r\nGo at it Sam,,,, have a good time!!!!! <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','2w7b1mlg',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3914,911,3,3,0,'128.248.250.44',1094934124,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','the pipeline','[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:1j8jvslh]I know that you are a pipeline for them.\n[/quote:1j8jvslh]\r\n\r\nMy quoting skills have become quite good lately.  Please don\'t trouble yourself by leaving the lines open.\r\n\r\nYou may \"know\" this, but your knowledge is incorrect.  I did not get my \"executive orders\" to come online and harass you guys.  Sorry.','',0,'gA==','1j8jvslh',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3915,911,3,3,0,'128.248.250.44',1094934263,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','SD renegade representation?','Soooo, Doug.  You didn\'t answer my question.\r\n\r\nWhy weren\'t these \"big issues\" brought up at the membership meeting?  Didn\'t you guys send a representative to stir the pot a little?\r\n\r\nOr, is this not really a \"big issue\" to the membership?','',0,'gA==','1qp79lir',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3916,911,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1094943446,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Sam, \r\n    You know, I had a great big post planned out but whats the point.  It gets pretty rediculous when you try to define a few to me.  \r\n\r\nThank you again,\r\n              Danny Tabor\r\n               HPOCA #747','',0,'gA==','2mqr5szi',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3917,914,3,238,0,'152.163.100.7',1094964676,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Ed,\r\nI went today (Sat.) Not as many Olivers as I thought there would be. Not as many club officers either. I may be wrong, but I think the only one there today was Paul, the VP, and somone said the secretary of the club was there yesterday. I thought this was the HPOCA secondary show.\r\nWonder why nobody showed up?                          Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','pqzhjnu6',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3918,914,3,614,0,'64.12.116.20',1094967683,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I  know in my case    other work has to be done...  \r\n\r\nand it is pretty close to the same time as the  Main show.\r\n\r\nI was beeing my shyself and didnt  talk to anyone friday and  had to work saturday--- I know sunday will be move out before I get there  sunday after church.','',0,'gA==','3w3wdknj',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3919,911,3,88,0,'4.155.123.179',1095001605,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Soooooo, Yield, you already know the answer. If there were only a few board members present, the meeting served no purpose.','',0,'gA==','15yg0vsm',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3920,914,3,47,0,'12.64.128.210',1095008161,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Larry,\r\nPaul is the Past President, Jim Muhs is the VP. The Secretary, Jerry Ellis was at the Oliver Gang Plow Day. The rest I can\'t account for, but secondary shows are optional, we don\'t setup a booth, or have meetings at them, normally. Terry Allen was going to come to plow day, but had to work too late, I think he said he had to load something, couldn\'t get out of town in time. This weekend was a busy one for shows, I think just about everyone had one!!!\r\nTake Care!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','20cpwdem',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3921,911,3,3,0,'66.82.9.69',1095011301,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','no purpose?','[quote=&quot;Doug_424&quot;:5xh3nydt]If there were only a few board members present, the meeting served no purpose.[/quote:5xh3nydt]\r\n\r\nI don\'t understand.  Even if there were only a few board members present, the membership meeting still served a purpose, didn\'t it?  Wouldn\'t this have been a great place to bring up these issues to the membership?  That\'s what meetings are for.\r\n\r\nNo, I don\'t already know the answer...help me out.','',0,'gA==','5xh3nydt',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3922,911,3,88,0,'4.155.93.238',1095016464,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Well, Yield, I may agree with you that the issue could have been raised, but I was not there. South Dakota is a long way from Pa. I\'m no expert on the meeting procedure, but I don\'t see how much can be acomplished with only a few BOD members present.','',0,'gA==','1lcyya88',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3923,911,3,10611,0,'209.153.131.58',1095035820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','[quote=&quot;danny&quot;:kak5vjsm]\n\nfact- two people whom are greatly respected by HPOCA members are closely associated with Oliver Heritage. Landis Zimmerman and Sherry Schaefer who are members of HPOCA as well.\n[/quote:kak5vjsm]\r\n\r\nJust a clarification of the facts. According to my records, Sherry has let her membership expire. This is her choice, and I can understand it considering the circumstances.\r\n\r\nDoug_424 has also let his membership expire. Once again, his choice.','',0,'gA==','kak5vjsm',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3924,911,3,459,0,'67.250.226.111',1095038043,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Expired Memberships!','Chris:\r\n\r\nI have really enjoyed the back and forth banter between Yieldmap and the Renegades the last few days. Great job Yieldmap, you have been very articulate on the topics at hand.\r\n\r\nMy question is:\r\n\r\nIf Doug_424 has also let his membership expire, when do the new rules go into effect that bar non - HPOCA members from using this portion of the Forum? Isn\'t it about time that all the non-payers get cut off? \r\n\r\nI have paid my $30.00 for the year, if Doug wants to continue sharing with us maybe it is time for him to pay up!','',0,'gA==','1flcfxcf',1,0,'',459,0,0),(3925,911,3,10611,0,'209.153.131.58',1095038907,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','The reason Doug\'s posts show up is I just turned on the member\'s only feature tonight. Doug no longer has access to this forum. But I\'m not going to delete out his posts, as the rest may lose their meaning.\r\n\r\nFrom here on out, only current HPOCA members will be posting here.','',0,'gA==','1hrhdp0c',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3926,911,3,110,0,'205.188.116.143',1095040262,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Oliver66','I too have been following the back and forth bantering for the past few days. And staying out of it also. Unlike you though, i cant say that i have enjoyed it. Looking over the financial statement handed out at the national show which doesent even have the hpoca\'s name on it anywere is of even more concern to me though.A lot of unanswered questions come to mind from reveiwing that peice of paper. However back to your comment about congradulating Sammy on his ability to duke it out with the renegades as you call them. That comment makes me wonder who the real renegades are???? Whoever they are, maybe the other side should become known as the outlaws or something similiar, EH!!!','',0,'gA==','p2qm1gyb',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3927,916,3,110,0,'205.188.116.143',1095044403,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','&quot;ItsTime to get aquainted&quot;','Ok guys and gals, now that we have this forum under control as far as outsiders go, i have a little challenge for ALL of us. Everybody who has something or anything to say in this forum which is now private to members only, should sign their full name and # to their posts till we all get to know each other. After all, we are all in this club for the same reasons arent we???And from my point of veiw anyways, which im sure a lot of you never agree with anyways, a lot of these contraversial posts originate from people who make challenging posts and fail to identify themselves.(All people,renegades included hate dealing with cowards) If we all get on a first name basis and agree to disagree civil, im sure a lot more could be accomplished.Everybody has their idea of whats right and wrong. Thats a  right we all have. However when its written without signature, it really isent even worth reading. Thanks Bob Cook #2057','',0,'gA==','2zumm1ip',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3928,916,3,12,0,'69.128.202.146',1095078876,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Bob,\r\n\r\nI would hope that now that the forum is HPOCA members only we will get some good discussion on the FUTURE of the club. \r\n\r\nJohn Hume #3527.','',0,'gA==','3g5c8j8b',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3929,917,1,657,0,'24.154.86.228',1095085012,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','hydra electric questions','I have just bought a 1550 and really like it. It has hydra electric- how does this work and does anybody have a cylinder that they would want to sell? Right know I have a regular cylinder on my mower but would like to have the right cylinder just to play with. I know I have alot of free time on my hands.','',0,'gA==','3cpwb80q',1,0,'',657,0,0),(3930,917,1,683,0,'69.135.123.101',1095104276,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','hydra electric','look on ebay for manuals on this I prefer the ones on cd alot cheaper\r\nalso watch for cylinders as they will get listed on ebay from time to time make sure you get one with the right connection.\r\nRon','',0,'gA==','adey94rs',1,0,'',683,0,0),(3932,919,3,423,0,'204.110.170.5',1095112502,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','ASK THE PRESIDENT','Mr Allen,\r\nNow that this forum can be used by members only, do you plan on participating in any of the discussions that pertain to the politics of the HPOCA?\r\nBrad Austin  #6572','',0,'gA==','2tf8pb5u',1,0,'',423,0,0),(3933,916,3,116,0,'66.71.221.78',1095123626,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','same name','hey all,\r\n  just to set the record staight, I\'m not related to Jim Kline.\r\n                                              Todd Kline\r\n                                              #8000','',0,'gA==','2u589t9v',1,0,'',116,0,0),(3934,917,1,569,0,'68.78.241.241',1095124359,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','hydra electric questions','You will need a cylinder with 3 wire connector for a 1550, older tractors, \r\n770/880 and prior used 4 wire harness and connectors','',0,'gA==','20e4ipyy',1,0,'',569,0,0),(3935,920,3,40,0,'64.12.116.143',1095125864,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Aren\'t We A Select Group','Chris:  \r\nIf I can read the usergroup list right there are less than 30 of 6000 plus members that can look at this page.  Am I correct?\r\n\r\nI don\'t see Terry listed as a member of the usergoup either.  I think you should put all the officers and board members on here (even if they don\'t ask to be.)  It looks to me like most of those that were questioning the leadership are the ones that have signed up and a few others.  I\'m hoping you have a big backlog and just haven\'t got the members posted.  but if that was the case why the rush to restrict the forum?\r\n\r\nAs you can tell I still think this is an idea that\'s time should have never come.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','z22napi7',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3936,916,3,614,0,'64.12.116.143',1095127982,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','mild mannered and  \"delitfully Tachy yet unrefined\"   is that the righ quote.. some of you know.\r\n\r\n\r\nEddie McCullough\r\n3241','',0,'gA==','ewbbo49v',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3937,911,3,465,0,'4.225.88.17',1095128591,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Close the forum to members only and it shuts up yeildmap!!!!','',0,'gA==','31krzvhi',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3938,911,3,614,0,'64.12.116.143',1095128786,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I know  I did not  enjoy it.    All  I saw  was  the  yeildmap was always right and no one else was smart enough to even have an opinion.\r\n\r\nOnce in  a while  I think I could have found holes in his  statements of fact -=-- more like opinion as well.','',0,'gA==','1ftl4ahy',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3939,914,3,614,0,'64.12.116.75',1095128954,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','As the only representative at the   tractor games  at this show  I was really outnumbered badly..   several IH machines....\r\n\r\nI did manage to pull out a win in the barrel  pushing contest,  and with help a  close second in the  blind fold driving contest.','',0,'gA==','1uhsabyw',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3940,920,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.137',1095129952,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Bill,\r\n\r\nI had gotten caught up with everybody that had asked to be added. Now that this is a private forum, I got another list of people that want on. Verifying takes time. \r\n\r\nI\'m not adding anybody unless they ask. I said I wasn\'t going to play favorites, and I\'m sticking to it. Let them have their membership verified, just like everybody else.\r\n\r\nMaybe once things have finally settled down, we can go back to the old way. But I think the people on YT have had to deal with our problems long enough now. Time will tell.','',0,'gA==','2hek4xn2',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3941,921,1,685,0,'24.208.34.163',1095129991,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Super 44 colors','This has probably been asked many times before but I have not been able to find them.  The listed Oliver paint codes of Martin Senour 99L-3751 for the green is listed same for the Super 44 &amp; 440.  This can\' be right.  Can someone verify this code and also the red and yellow colors.\r\n\r\nRed for wheels Martin Senour 99L-3752 \r\nYellow for grille ?','',0,'gA==','57xwvl84',1,0,'',685,0,0),(3942,916,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.137',1095130163,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Bob,\r\n\r\nI couldn\'t have put it any better.\r\n\r\n#1049','',0,'gA==','3p5xgp30',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3943,911,3,3,0,'205.161.1.46',1095134597,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Whew!! back online','Nice security, Chris.  Apparently I hadn\'t registered yet, so I\'ve been locked out for yesterday/today.  Good to be back in the discussion again.\r\n\r\nThat\'s too bad Doug let his membership expire, and no longer has access to this forum.  I was looking forward to trying to understand better what he was hoping to get resolved by the BOD during the summer show meeting.  How exactly did the renegades know that there were not going to be many BOD members present?  There was a board meeting planned, right?  Why didn\'t they send a representative?\r\n\r\nI\'m also disappointed that Sherry did not renew her membership.  The success of her future venture depends directly on how well she gets along with the HPOCA members.','',0,'gA==','8cs3ljzk',1,0,'',3,0,0),(3944,922,5,465,0,'4.225.92.180',1095135766,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Changes to the Bylaws','Chris\r\n After the summer show you stated you were going to post the proposed changes to the bylaws. I know there has been a small uproar with the changes in the forum, but when might we see them?\r\n I never have seen a copy of the bylaws for the HPO foundation. When will we see them? I was at the WGT and not the summer show. As I recall, we saw proposed bylaws, scrawled on notebook paper and copies of that were handed out at the WGT. \r\n I still think a lot(to much) went on behind closed doors. I\'ve asked in every way I know how to see them. With the BOD censoring the Letters section I don\'t know how else to get my message out.\r\n\r\nKeith Martin\r\n#10438','',0,'gA==','bjlr8pvv',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3945,911,3,110,0,'205.188.116.72',1095152502,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hey Sammy!!','The membership meeting was very well attended by disgruntled members, which would translate into your reference of \"Renegades\". Probably only one in a hundred voice their displeasure, which i guess officially tags em a \"Renegade\". I think its easy to understand what Doug was hoping could be accomplished at the meeting. Simply to have some questions answered. However, even if there had been BOD members available to answer questions, their replys would have been drowned out by the roar of super 99 detroits and various other olivers that were parading back and forth next to the meeting area. Really seems strange to have a meeting like that outside with so many distractions, wouldnt ya think????   Dont worry bout Sherry, (which im sure you dont), fact is, dont worry bout Doug either, what we should all be worryin about is how to get some leadership in this club so we can stop the depletion of membership.  Have a great Day!!!    Bob','',0,'gA==','2q511w65',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3946,916,3,683,0,'69.135.123.101',1095197126,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','','Ron Selzer \r\n7987\r\nI have always tried to post my name and member number when I post on YTmag controversially.\r\n I have never posted under anything but evielboweviel anywhere on any tractor site or ebay.\r\n I am considered a Renegade and totally fed up with the board members.\r\nI respect Andy for being on here voicing his opinion in a articulate way without getting mad. However I don\'t agree with the majority of what he has said or stood for.\r\nI have no respect for our president who refuses to talk to us as a group.\r\nI am renewing my membership so that I can vote for new blood.\r\nI respected wrenchbender before all this based on his posts on YTmag, now respect him even more and intend to vote for him.\r\nI firmly believe Sherry does a better mag than Chris, however Chris shows potential.\r\n I believe with time to polish and grow Chris will do a good job with the mag. \r\nI own a 66g nf grandpa bought it one year old in 1950 needs repainted, a few leaks stopped and new rubber. I will put it up against any other 66 for how good it runs and pulls. It was a work tractor until 1998\r\nI own a 1650D nf  uncle Carl bought it new I bought it off of him in 2002. Original paint for the most part waxed every year. It has earned it\'s scratches by working hard.\r\nI also have a model 18 pt combine, 82? mower, 26? Superior iron wheel drill, White 4-16 plow, 252 Oliver 12\' disk. 2 and 4 row front mount cultivator for a 770/880 with rear gangs axle mounted. 2 row QD cultivators for 66 and manual hillside hitch for 66.\r\nI don\'t plan on posting here often however will read what is posted often.\r\nRon','',0,'gA==','tsrqck1w',1,0,'',683,0,0),(3947,916,3,188,0,'64.255.108.39',1095199632,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','well,  Hope we can get the problems worked out and the club back on track.  \r\nSome of you may have met me at penfield last year,  I have the Oliver 70 and Williams Grist mill that was near the corn crib.  I know that there is a picture of it on the Oliver Gang site.   \r\n\r\nKeith Miller  #6201','',0,'gA==','14bjmr2d',1,0,'',188,0,0),(3948,916,3,163,0,'207.177.76.148',1095213751,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hello to everyone, I have met alot of new Oliver people this summer at Madison and the Motherland  Charles City my brothers and I are kinda new to this stuff but we are having a blast. I live in nortwest Iowa in a  little town  Galva. I tell people I am SPECIAL just because of my 1750     Duane Brandt #10119  <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'gA==','3nucv3hi',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3949,919,3,40,0,'205.188.116.143',1095264706,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Brad:\r\n\r\nI don\'t think Mr. Allen will be responding to anything on this forum.  The first reason is that he has not had Chris put him on as a member of the usergroup for this forum.  the second reason is that as of 11:00 AM CDT on Sept 15, 2004 he has not looked at ANY of the forums (at least under his forum member name {Terry}) since April 7, 2004.\r\n\r\nI know computers are not the end all to communication between individuals, groups, families and clubs; but you would think that the officers and members of the Board of Directors would sign up to this one at least to see what is being said about the club by members of the club.  Maybe they don\'t all have computers, I don\'t know but I think this website is a good source of information for anyone interested in Olivers and the club.  A president that does not even log on for 6 months must not have much interest in either Olivers or what others think of the club.\r\n\r\nWrenchbender has my vote when I receive my ballot.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','34rvlfeo',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3950,916,3,651,0,'12.77.9.255',1095276664,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Hello!!!!!',':lol:   Hello,\r\nTo all Oliver lovers, this is my first post after reading since this\r\nform started.  Live in Virginia and have no big Olivers.\r\nMy Grandfather had two new 1930 Oliver Row Crops and my\r\nfather first tractor was a 1938 Oliver 70.\r\nHope we can get the top leadership going in the right director\r\nor a new group in as this is a great group in the field.\r\nI have only attended one national show in Plain City, Ohio.\r\nI did get to talk to Andy and in my opinion since we each had\r\nnever seen each other he was very nice and talked at great\r\nlength to me, which I appreciated.\r\nJames M. White   4462','',0,'gA==','1dnn1w1h',1,0,'',651,0,0),(3951,916,3,655,0,'204.180.59.1',1095277487,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','ItsTime to get aquainted&quot;','My name is Howard Knight #5062.\r\nI don\'t post much but I enjoy reading them.\r\nI hope this thing get\'s turned around, so some of the bickering stop\'s.\r\nI\'ve been in the club for 6 or 7 years and plan on being around a while longer.','',0,'gA==','22my9w1x',1,0,'',655,0,0),(3952,911,3,88,0,'4.155.81.254',1095297704,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','I am back,,,,,','To those of you that commented on my not being a member,,,,,well, I still am. At the urging of quite a few members I did renew. (And no, Yieldmap wasn\'t one of them)','',0,'gA==','1rvaxb6z',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3953,914,3,238,0,'205.188.116.18',1095300630,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy,\r\nI hear what your saying, but I still don\'t understand the reason there was, as far as I know, the president of the club, secretary and one board member at the Summer show in Madison. Then at the secondary show, apparently only the secretary showed up. These are the HPOCA\'s 2 main shows. What\'s more important?                         Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','18bvdbkd',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3954,911,3,465,0,'4.225.89.187',1095300812,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Good to have you back in the fold Doug. Man you got that taken care of ina hurry.\r\nKeith','',0,'gA==','8r1bdu9g',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3955,922,5,10611,0,'209.153.156.136',1095301615,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','We are going to add the proposed by-laws in the next couple of days. (Got to get them all typed onto our computer!!) Andy is also supposed to be getting us a synopsis of what changed compared to the old by-laws. \r\n\r\nI don\'t believe I have a copy of the HPO foundation by-laws. I\'ll see if I can come up with a copy to post on the site.','',0,'gA==','23k1r40v',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3956,916,3,238,0,'205.188.116.10',1095302730,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi folks,\r\nMy name is Larry Coltrin, I\'m from NE IL. My handle on YT is Larry NE IL.\r\nI\'ve got about 18 Olivers and one White 4-180. I joined in 2003 and enjoy and greatly respect MOST of the members of this great club. \r\nI am a latent \"renegade\". Like a lot of you, I waited around for the \"leadership\" of this club to lead for about 3 or 4 months. Never happened!\r\nOf late, I have been voicing my opinions on the direction the HPOCA has been going with the apparent approval of the club officers. I sincerely believe that this path is not due to derilection of duty by our officers, but, in my opinion, a well thought out plan to bring the HPOCA to it\'s knees. More on this later.\r\nI believe, and have so stated that the HPOCA is fortunate to have so many GREAT, and knowledgable people in it\'s ranks. Folks that are eager to share information and help in any way they can. I am honered to be counted as one of you.                            Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','30ntbdob',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3958,924,1,694,0,'4.10.89.8',1095303169,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','OLIVER Super 88 Diesel w/ Front End Loader now on eBay','For anyone interested in a great running 1958 OLIVER Super 88 diesel with lots of original sheet metal and a front end loader, I have one for sale on eBay. NO RESERVE and starting bid of just $1.00. Here\'s the link and thanks for looking:  <!-- m --><a class=\"postlink\" href=\"http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=3840208287\">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 3840208287</a><!-- m -->','',0,'gA==','6guipb1w',1,0,'',694,0,0),(3959,911,3,614,0,'64.12.116.71',1095303496,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','I still have not  renewed my dues yet..  ( not deliquent till nov)\r\n\r\nbut after I get the bill for repairing my  mail truck  ^$600  I worked 2 months for the post office for almost  nothing.','',0,'gA==','1154islg',1,0,'',614,0,0),(3960,911,3,110,0,'152.163.100.10',1095313396,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','questions??','Nice to see so many stepping up. Hi to all who have identified themselves and their involment in oliver so far. Sure would be nice to see some of the BOD come aboard. Im sure it was their decision to make this a members only forum and now that we have segragated the politics of the club to members only, we should be graced by some sort of leadership. Maybe Mr Hume can comment on his thoughts of how involved he would become on politicial issues of concern within membership in this \'for members only\" forum, if he were elected to lead the club. John, i was also wondering what your thoughts were on disgruntled members wanting answers to issues or decisions if you will, made within the BOD? Are these decision non of memberships business and are the members stepping away out of line by wanting to know why certain decisions were made? Or if elected, would you become more member freindly and maintain a current communication with all members? One other thing i was wondering if you answer John, what one major thing made you decide to get involved and seek the presidents chair??  Thanks in advance   Bob Cook #2057','',0,'gA==','18de49ul',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3961,925,6,403,0,'66.187.42.73',1095337416,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Presidential debate','<!-- s:?: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_question.gif\" alt=\":?:\" title=\"Question\" /><!-- s:?: -->','',0,'gA==','3t6jhe0i',1,1097016831,'',403,1,0),(3962,926,3,40,0,'64.12.116.143',1095337471,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Restricting Viewing','After reading a post in the HPOCA forum, I think I need to clarify what this forum program defines as a \'member\' \r\n\r\nA member is someone that has a username and password for this forum. It is not restricted, so anybody on the internet can post here, not just HPOCA members. \r\n\r\nTo verify everybody\'s membership status would be an undertaking in and of itself. Plus limiting the board to HPOCA members only does not exactly encourage new people to join our club. \r\n\r\nPlease keep in mind that anybody can read and respond to your posts. Thanks.\r\n_________________\r\nChris Losey\r\n\r\nSep 16 2004\r\nChris:\r\n\r\nThe above is a post you made in November on the Site Comments and Suggestions Forum (in response to one I had made on the HPOCA Forum.)  If I remember correctly I sent you a message stating I had not realized that you could become a member of the website and not of the club.  I also believe I stated I agreed with you that restricting viewing and posting would not encourage people to become new members.\r\n\r\nCould you explain to myself and the other club members that belong to this usergroup what changed your mind about the amount of work and the negative message such an action sends to potential new members. \r\n\r\nAs you can tell I still don\'t think this is the way to go for the website or the club.  I believe your previous position was the better one even if there were issues discussed that did not always endorse the actions of the officers and board of directors of the club.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','13zvhvoz',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3964,928,3,12,0,'69.128.202.146',1095375979,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Where I stand...','I don\'t want anyone to think I am stalling or putting off answering questions, but I don\'t want to reveal the specifics of my candidacy until after the deadline for its submission to the magazine has passed. \r\n\r\nI chose to run for president because, like you, I see a need for improved  communication and organization within our club. I made this decision not in haste, but after much consideration, deciding to put my money where my mouth was.\r\n\r\nI will use this forum along with the magazine to address the issues that are brought up. Most issues that are discussed at the leadership level can and should be communicated to the membership. However it is likely there will be some things (ie: personnel issues) that could have legal ramifications and must be dealt with confidentially. \r\n\r\nI look forward to discussing matters with you in the future, John.','',0,'gA==','2ycljgr3',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3965,929,3,163,0,'216.51.171.142',1095383995,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','The Tractor Builders','Remember guys, the ones that built the tractors went thru the depression, the recessions and still turned out a quality product.  Now we are preserving and restoring their lifeblood, because that is how they supported their families and communities.  Now we have their great machines that revoluntionized the farming industry as it became to be.  They just kept going to work, built the machines and now as two generations past we seem to just argue about how to preserve their heritage.\r\nDuane Brandt 10119 <!-- s:) --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif\" alt=\":)\" title=\"Smile\" /><!-- s:) -->','',0,'gA==','3n41wl58',1,0,'',163,0,0),(3966,926,3,88,0,'4.155.129.27',1095391861,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I think the ony problem we had here was a number of people who were posting with hidden identities. It got the point that they were just wasting time and their remarks couldn\'t be taken seriously. I think it\'s a REAL BAD idea to restrict viewing, To the rest of the world it looks like HPOCA \r\nhas something to hide. It certainly doesn\'t encourage anyone to join. Anyway, that\'s my thoughts on the subject.','',0,'gA==','97z3jnmw',1,0,'',88,0,0),(3967,930,2,699,0,'81.71.112.188',1095446929,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','18-36','iam looking for an oversised piston for a hart parr 18-36 maybe someone has one?','',0,'gA==','1wrd47zp',1,0,'',699,0,0),(3968,925,6,238,0,'64.12.116.143',1095469995,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Farmer in the Dells,\r\nTerry Allen is running again, John Hume (wrenchbender) and Dean Smith from Minnisota. PM Me and I\'ll send you Johns e-mail and Deans phone number (He dosen\'t own a computer)                  Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','3tit1x12',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3969,928,3,40,0,'205.188.116.143',1095470186,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','John:\r\n\r\nIf you are elected would you leave this forum the same or would you make changes?\r\n\r\nIf you\'ve read my posts you know I\'m not a big fan of the way it is right now.  I would support restricting posting to only members of the HPOCA, but I think others should be able to read it.  I also think that all the officers and board members (that have computers) should be members of the user group.\r\n\r\nI believe the officers and board members should be identified.  Screen names are fine, but the members ought to know what the officers and board memebers are using as screen names.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','34pq4gxb',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3970,436,6,238,0,'64.12.116.68',1095470313,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Beside 18 Olivers (mostly of the 7 series) I have one White 4-180 and am looking for a White 2-135                            Larry Coltrin','',0,'gA==','36zc3xt7',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3971,928,3,12,0,'69.128.202.146',1095471978,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Bill,\r\n\r\nYes I would like the forum to be viewed by anyone but only members could post. \r\n\r\nIt would be nice if all members with computers would come here to discuss issues. But it is up to each individual whether they want to be part of the discussion.\r\n\r\nI think Chris had said that it is possible to put another text line under the user name. I wouldn\'t mind that even if I\'m not a board member. At the least maybe it could be in the user profile. I have yet to figure out all the options available there. <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: --> John.','',0,'gA==','2oermurb',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3972,931,3,238,0,'64.12.116.143',1095475443,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','shocking stuff on YT','Does anyone know what\'s going on with the Jim Kline incident? \r\nAny repremands from the other officers?, or apology? \r\nAs I see it, if there is no objection to this action by the other board members, then they must condone it. \r\n                                                                 Larry Coltrin#10010535','',0,'gA==','278rel3t',1,0,'',238,0,0),(3973,926,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.232',1095475980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Bill,\r\n\r\nWhat changed my mind was a couple of factors. The members that I have talked to at the various shows have told me that they felt that what was going on on the HPOCA forum was making the club look bad. Plus many said they felt that they wouldn\'t post on the forum because it seemed that anybody that posted was an open target. Many said they would no longer come here because of what has been going on. I even had a few that said I should just \"shut the whole thing down.\"\r\n\r\nAnother factor was Yesterday\'s Tractors. People read what is going on here and take the argument there, where they know they can make comments without signing their name to it. First off, this isn\'t fair to YT, as they have to pay for the bandwidth that this uses up. And it makes a fiasco of their board, when it\'s not really their problem. I had thought about making the forum viewable by all, but it would still all go over to YT to be fought out. Since I have made this change, YT at least seems to be a more peaceful place.\r\n\r\nOne more factor was that while the board didn\'t have their quorum, I definitely got the feeling that this is the way it was going to be sooner or later. I don\'t see the forum staying this way forever, but it seems like the best choice for now.\r\n\r\nBy the way, curiosity seems to get the best of most. Several have re-joined after a lapse, just so they can see what is going on here.  I agree with Doug_424, that this does give the impression that we have something to hide, but it has also made cooler heads prevail. I plan on being a little less restrictive on moderating this board, as it is members only, and not everybody will be seeing it. Please don\'t take this as a license to start swearing up a storm, though.  <!-- s:lol: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif\" alt=\":lol:\" title=\"Laughing\" /><!-- s:lol: -->','',0,'gA==','4axltpt4',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3974,926,3,12,0,'69.128.202.146',1095476949,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hi Chris,\r\n\r\nThat\'s the one drawback I see to having open veiwing. People will take the discussion to other places.\r\n\r\nI think it is both good and interesting to see all the new users that have registered in the last week or so! John.','',0,'gA==','24qdhnyq',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3975,926,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.232',1095477150,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','The number of registrations have been up drastically. I just added Sparky Duroe and Paul Rode to the HPOCA users list, so there are board members reading this now.','',0,'gA==','2aimcni1',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3976,932,5,10611,0,'209.153.160.232',1095479334,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','Avatars','For those of you that are wondering what an avatar is, it\'s the picture that appears below your username when you post. As you can see, my 2050 is currently my avatar picture.\r\n\r\nIf you would like one of your own, but aren\'t sure how to do it, just email me the picture you would like to use, and I\'ll add it for you. Send your picture to <!-- e --><a href=\"mailto:webmaster@hartparroliver.org\">webmaster@hartparroliver.org</a><!-- e --> and I\'ll add it the next chance I get.','',0,'gA==','1m1hfw9k',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3977,926,3,40,0,'205.188.116.20',1095511888,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chis:\r\n\r\nI hope that comment about swearing was directed to all the members of this usergroup and not just me.  I don\'t think I\'ve used any unappropriate language in my posts on this site in any of the subforums.\r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','enutl2pt',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3978,933,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1095526058,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','financial report','I am glad the treasurer of HPOCA and HPO has become apart of this forum.  Is there any chance the financial report and comparison report be up on this site.   May make a nice topic of discussion and maybe some questions can be answered as well.\r\n                   Thank You\r\n                             Danny Tabor  #747','',0,'gA==','2vlvxk5c',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3979,933,3,47,0,'12.65.138.36',1095526367,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','I hope not! Danny, what ARE you thinking? Do you want to make the association a target for every con man, and neer do well in the world?\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'gA==','g7m6rxsj',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3980,933,3,40,0,'205.188.116.23',1095529808,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy:\r\n\r\nIf those reports were put on this forum the viewing would be limited to the HPOCA members that have registered.  Are you saying we have HPOCA members that are con men/women or neer do wells?  <!-- s:wink: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_wink.gif\" alt=\":wink:\" title=\"Wink\" /><!-- s:wink: --> \r\n\r\nBill Brandt','',0,'gA==','24r1iuby',1,0,'',40,0,0),(3982,933,3,412,0,'24.154.83.149',1095552431,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy,  How would it be any different putting the financial reports on this closed site compared to putting them in the \"member only\" magazine.  I\'m certain a con-man could get whatever he needs from other sources to do whatever deed he does.  In all honesty, I don\'t have a clue what a person could get from a financial or a year comparison report to con anybody.\r\n\r\n         Besides, as Bob Cook had pointed out, the financial report given out at the summer show doesn\'t have a heading with the name of the company the report was on (in this case HPOCA)  Nor does it have a name of the person who had done the report.   Doesn\'t sound too official anyway. And with the missing 18,000 for the HPO Foundation.  Kinda\' makes you wonder who\'s conning who. Don\'t it\r\n <!-- s:shock: --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek.gif\" alt=\":shock:\" title=\"Shocked\" /><!-- s:shock: --> \r\n\r\n\r\nDanny Tabor #747','',0,'gA==','1cr3gxqo',1,0,'',412,0,0),(3983,933,3,465,0,'4.225.89.119',1095554712,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','This is why I like the way it is set up now. All these things can be discussed in house. Also have you notice the Index page? Look at all these lurkers who were signing on as guests and now have to put a name logged in when they want to snoop around.  So much for the ole\' \"I know Nothinggggg\"','',0,'gA==','3ut6ibzl',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3984,935,3,465,0,'4.225.89.119',1095555168,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Magazine','Just to give you guys a heads up. Mine came in Fridays mail.  same old yada-yada-yada from our fearful leader. \r\n Interesting tid-bit on Chris\'s toy planter.  Thats all I have allowed myself to read yet.\r\n [/b]','',0,'','27bpgn0h',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3985,933,3,465,0,'4.225.89.119',1095555721,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','HPO Foundation','Danny, \r\n \r\n I should hope there should be a little more than $18K in that account. According to one of TA\'s letter\'s to the little people,each and every member of the board coughed up $1K for the [b:1c6fturi]privilege[/b:1c6fturi] to be on the board.','',0,'QA==','1c6fturi',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3986,933,3,47,0,'12.64.108.218',1095565847,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Bill,\r\n You should know I didn\'t say or mean our members are con men or neer do wells. You know better than that! Also, being the computer savvy guy that you are, how long do you think this privacy thing would hold up to someone that wants in? I think you are intelligent, and with the experiences you have told me of, I am certain that you are not naive about those of seedy reputation seeking targets. The bigger the apple, the bigger the target.\r\nHey Danny,\r\n What they could find is one small insignificant thing, \'money\'! Have you forgotten the lesson learned from the Mailman brothers? How they raided Oliver and sold off the assets, because the assets exceeded the stock value! Look at the vote count on our elections, multiply that by our dues. That is the figure it would cost for another organization to take over, liquidate our assets, and absorb the profit. All it would take is enough members, and the money to pay the dues, then in a couple of years we are history! It is not a good idea to make assets too public! Why don\'t you investigate other websites of non-profit organizations, see what percentage publish their financial information?\r\n\r\nCase in point: At our American Legion Post, we had some fairly large problems with requests for financial assistance. At that time, we would give cash or a check to help needy people out. Come to find out, much of these funds were being used for dope. So, we approached local merchants, and set up a voucher system, where we could authorize a voucher, then be billed by the merchant. That put a stop to most requests, but cons being resourceful, started making requests for things like utility bills and other bills, that we had no control over. About 6 months ago, we took down the financial report from the bulletin board. We make it readily available to any member who asks at any meeting. This move gave us a handle on this problem! If they know you got it, they want it!!! The American Legion like many other non-profits, doesn\'t mind lending a hand up, to those who truely need it, but by the same token, we don\'t want taken advantage of!! The point being, when the public knows of your financial situation, someone will try to take advantage of you!\r\nWho amongst you would take out a handful of hundred dollar bills and wave them around in downtown Baltimore? \"Nuf said!!!\r\n\r\n\r\nI don\'t have a problem with the $18,000, yet. The treasurer is a bank president, which is an officer in that bank. As such, it is a requirement that he be bonded. His bond is worth far more than a mere $18,000, to him, as without it he can not hold his position in the bank, which pays a heck of alot more. My father, grandfather, and great grandfather were in the banking business, fortunately for us Dad sold out, as none of us wanted to mess with it, and Dad didn\'t want to either. Just something Grandpa liked. As a result, at a young age I learned about that stuff. If any bank officer is found guilty of the charges which have been alleged here, that officer would lose their bond, and become unbondable. The effect would be losing a job that pays very well. And for what? Nothing!!!!\r\nHaving stated this side of the case, I am satisfied in waiting for the annual audit, as I am confident the money will show up in accounting.\r\n\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','3v09wzk4',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3987,928,3,47,0,'12.64.108.218',1095567587,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey John,\r\n To date there has been 4 Presidents of HPOCA, Wayne Wiltsey, Ollie Schaefer, Paul Rode, and Terry Allen. I guess I can speak from experience, as two years ago I was in your position. I strongly recommend from my experience, that you or any challenger contact the Past Presidents and discuss issues. There are things that were done in the past for very valid reasons, and a couple of issues raised when I ran, didn\'t need to be addressed. The best source of info for you or any candidates come from those who have held the position, and they will readily talk things over, answer your questions. If you or any other candidate need contact info, let me know. As a challenger, the one most important thing you can do is to raise issues that concern you. Don\'t count on popularity, the only chance a challenger has is to be found in issues! As you told me, you have learned more about HPOCA since the summer show, than all the time before. This is normal from my experiences, you will learn much more in the days to come!!!\r\n\r\nGood Luck!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','23cxn79u',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3988,911,3,47,0,'12.64.108.218',1095571203,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Bob,\r\n Actually, no it wasn\'t the boards idea. The discussion was going in the way of shutting down the HPOCA Forum, due to numerous complaints of members being ganged up on if they express an opposing viewpoint. I was sitting next to Chris at the time, and asked him if it was possible to restrict the forum to members. He replied that it would be possible, even though it would require some extra work on his part, which he would be happy to do, if it would solve the problem. To make a long story short, it was decided, without vote, that this was worth looking into, and trying. If it levels out the playing field, fine, if not they will need to seek other options. If anybody needs to have big shoulders, and take the blame, put it on me, I am the one who asked if it was a possible remedy!!!\r\n Really, I wish to be classified as a HPOCA member. I don\'t need a handle, and I don\'t need a clique, just so that I would be able to call another member who does not have the same viewpoint a clique!!! I have two good legs, I can stand on my own without the need for a clique!! It seem really strange to me!\r\n It is great to learn the candidates position!! I totally agree with John on his decision to not discuss his platform until the closing date. It would be foolish to let an opponent know your position in time to counter.\r\n I also know from experience, don\'t hold a candidates feet to the fire if they win, just because of the picture they see during an election. This in all probability will change, due to the \'unknown\' factor. Everything looks so easy and simple during the election, so sweet and easy. In my case, Terry won, so I\'ve been watching what has happened during his term. Nothing he has faced has been sweet, simple, or easy! Had I won would things be the same? Probably not, the methods would probably be different. Can I say the results would be different? No, I can\'t, but taking the \'unknown\' factor into account, perhaps, but doubtful! It is that \'unknown\" factor that gets ya!!! You know, \'All the best laid plans of mice and men\'. So, all the best intentions, and I know all three candidates have only the best intentions, are subject to change, especially when you have 6,100 members, with 6,100 opinions. I think it is good when I remember this is a HOBBY!!!!\r\n\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','2mmtbs1k',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3990,935,3,465,0,'4.225.92.208',1095645887,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Chris,\r\n\r\n I\'m about half way through this issue. It\'s your best one yet.','',0,'QA==','17x19dry',1,0,'',465,0,0),(3991,935,3,12,0,'69.128.202.146',1095646851,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','I got mine yesterday, Saturday. I really enjoyed Elmer\'s Tune part II. Looks like a couple of good auctions coming up also. John.','',0,'QA==','2i5mogb0',1,0,'',12,0,0),(3992,926,3,10611,0,'209.153.160.207',1095648450,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Sorry Bill. That was not directed at you. You have\'nt given me a moments problem. It was just a general annoucement for everybody.','',0,'QA==','3hhz8ad0',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3993,911,3,110,0,'205.188.116.143',1095652915,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hi Andy','Actually, my assumption that it was the boards desicion to revamp this forum was just that, an assumption, mainly because like everything else that goes on in this club, its a secret of sorts without anybody from the board standing up and saying, this is whats gotta happen. Actually it was a good plan to stop allowing anyone but members to post on here. However i still think anybody should have access to veiwing it. Now to outsiders, it looks like more secrets and hidden agenda\'s within....   Im sure that all those suggesting for hpoca forum closure were the same ones who were challenging posts made by those who they tagged \"RENEGADES\" , using mutiple handles and failing to identify themselves. All that was doing was adding fuel to the fire. Whether those posts by renegades were right, wrong or outright foolish makes no difference if the others posting objection didnt have the courage to sign thier name.  This is were the board should have stepped in and stopped all this long ago. All these people were looking for was some leadership, some direction were the club was heading. Why couldnt Mr Allen just make one post, saying that working conditions between the board and sherry had  erroded to the point were they werent able to work together anymore. Although Sherry might not agree, we felt it was time to go another direction. Nothing more will be said on the subject and our decision is final. Due to legalities, this issue cannot be discussed further. On the subject of were monies are or arent,in the finiancial, the treasure could say, i am in the midst of a reorganization of accounts and club structure, all figures will be in place by the annual audit. Till than i cant say anymore.I could go on and on with these simple, but reasonable questions that have been asked over and over. But you get the picture. All these people are looking for is some kinda reasonable response that would secure their feelings that the club actually has leadership. But, nope, nothing, not a word. And the longer the silence continues, the worse it will gets. Other than you, or Chris, the members(internet ones anyways) will continue to feel like they are floating on an abandoned ship. I sure dont like hearing how all this mess was created by a few disgruntled members with computers who became known as Renegades.The leadership and the nameless and faceless who back them are the main culprits. All they had to do was tell the truth(even if it was in the words of whoever made that boohoohoo post if that was their honest feeling about her) and say it like it was. Tell people to live with it or move on.Say something, anything and sign their name to it, and im sure this would have all been forgotten long ago.  Have a nice day  Bob Cook','',0,'QA==','197ag3ot',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3994,937,18,10611,0,'209.153.160.207',1095655548,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','New By-Laws of the HPOCA','BYLAWS OF THE HART-PARR/OLIVER COLLECTOR\'S ASSOCIATION\r\n\r\n(An Iowa non-profit corporation)\r\n\r\n ARTICLE I\r\n\r\nNAME AND PURPOSE\r\n\r\n \r\nA.   The name of this organization shall be \"Hart-Parr Oliver collector\'s Association, hereinafter referred to as \"the Association and/or the HPOCA.\"\r\n\r\nB.   The purpose of the Association shall be:\r\n\r\n       1.   To help preserve the history of Hart-Parr, Oliver, Nichols and Shepard, American Seeding, and the acquired companies, Cletrac, Ann Arbor, Farquhar, and Be-Ge and other related companies acquired by Hart-Parr and Oliver.\r\n\r\n       2.   To promote the history of Hart-Parr, Oliver and other related companies.\r\n\r\n       3.   To aid the collectors of Hart-Parr/Oliver and Cletrac tractors and implements in restoration and preservation.\r\n\r\n       4.   To promote the collection and care of Hart-Parr and Oliver machinery, memorabilia and other related items.\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nARTICLE II\r\n\r\nMEMBERSHIP AND DUES\r\n\r\nA.   Members of the Association may be individuals, corporations, organizations and/or other associations.\r\n\r\n      1.   Where the member is an corporation, organization or other association, the governing body of each such member shall designate in writing one (1) individual who shall be deemed its duly authorized representative at all meetings of the members of the Association.\r\n\r\n      2.   Such persons shall be recognized as the duly authorized representative until the Secretary of the Association is notified in writing of the revocation of said appointment and given the name and address of the newly designated representative.\r\n\r\nB.   Membership in the Association shall be divided into three (3) classes.\r\n\r\n      1.   Voting annual members:  Any person interested in Hart-Parr, Oliver, Cletrac or related companies may become a voting annual member of the Association upon payment of the annual dues in the amount set forth in these bylaws or determined by the Board of Directors of the Association and such membership shall continue so long as annual dues            continue to be paid.\r\n\r\n    2.   Non-voting \"honorary\" members:  Any person who has rendered distinguished service to the HPOCA may be appointed by the Board of Directors as a non-voting \"honorary\" member of the Association.\r\n\r\n      3.   Non-voting \"sustaining\" members:  Any corporation, organization or other association interested in the work of the HPOCA may become a non-voting \"sustaining\" member of the Association upon payment of annual dues in the amount set forth in these bylaws or determined by the Board of Directors of the Association and such membership shall continue so long as the annual dues in such amounts determined continue to be paid.\r\n\r\nC.   A membership is entitled to one (1) vote.  Members may cast only one (1) vote in any meeting or in any election.\r\n\r\nD.   Memberships will commence during the month they are received at the office published in the HPOC magazine and will be valid for 12 months from the anniversary date.\r\n\r\nE.   Charter members shall be members that joined the Association during the first twelve (12) months of the Association\'s existence.  (December 1, 1989 to December 31, 1990.)\r\n\r\nF.   Dues for voting annual membership:\r\n\r\n      1.   Membership includes spouse.  Current membership rates will be listed in the Association\'s magazine.\r\n\r\nG.   Annual dues may be changed by a majority vote of the Board of Directors.\r\n\r\nD.   Dues shall be non-refundable.\r\n \r\n\r\nARTICLE III\r\n\r\nOFFICES\r\n\r\n A.   Principal office in Iowa.  The principal office of the Association shall be located at P.O. Box 703, Jesup, IA 50648-0703\r\n\r\nB.   Registered office.  The registered office shall be designated by the Executive Committee.\r\n \r\n\r\nARTICLE IV\r\n\r\nOFFICERS\r\n\r\n A.   Hart-Parr/Oliver Collectors Association officers shall be:\r\n\r\n      President\r\n\r\n      Vice President\r\n\r\n      Secretary\r\n\r\n      Treasurer\r\n\r\n      These four (4) officers shall constitute the Executive Committee.\r\n\r\nB.   These four (4) officers shall have been members of the Association for not less that two (2) years.\r\n\r\nC.   Vacancies:\r\n\r\n      1.   President: \r\n\r\n            a.   In the event of a temporary absence of the President, the Vice President shall assume the duties and responsibilities of the President.\r\n\r\n            b.   In the case of a permanent absence of a President, the Vice President shall have the option of assuming the office of the President.  If the option is not taken, nominations by the last nominating committee and an election shall be scheduled at the earliest possible time.\r\n\r\n      2.   Officers and Directors\r\n\r\n            a.   In the event of a temporary absence of any other Officer or Director, the Executive Committee shall appoint a qualified member to temporarily serve in the vacant position.               \r\n\r\n            b.   In the case of a permanent absence of any other Officer or Director, the Executive Committee shall appoint a qualified member to fill the position until the next scheduled election. The elected person shall serve out the remaining term of the absent member.               \r\n\r\n            c.   In any special election, no current executive committee members may be nominated.\r\n\r\nD.   Election:\r\n\r\n      1.   Elections shall be conducted in accordance with Article IV section D of these bylaws.\r\n\r\n      2.   Officers and Board members shall serve two (2) year terms as follows:  In even numbered years, the President, Secretary and Director of Finance and Planning shall be elected by secret ballot by the general membership.  In odd numbered years, the Vice President, Treasurer, Director of Promotion and Publicity and Director of Activities shall be elected by secret ballot by the general membership. The position of Director of Membership and Chapter Coordinator shall be elected at a meeting of chapter representatives held at the Summer Show in even numbered years.  Each chapter shall have one vote at this meeting, which shall be held prior to the summer show general membership meeting.              The elected shall be announced at the Summer Show general membership meeting and shall assume the duties of this position on January 1 of the following year.  All other candidates for Board positions in a given year shall be chosen by the nominating committee for that year or nominated from the floor as follows:  \r\n\r\n            a.   Nominating committee:  The nominating committee shall be an Ad hoc committee filled on a volunteer basis annually at the winter get-together general membership meeting and shall consist of either three (3) or five (5) members.  If more volunteers present themselves, the committee shall be selected from the volunteer pool by lot. Committee members shall be announced at the meeting, and shall be published in the                 next magazine.  This committee shall select a chairman and develop a slate of candidates for the Officer and Director positions to be filled in that year.  Members interested in running for Board positions available in that year shall contact a member of the current nominating committee for inclusion  on the slate prior to the summer show general membership meeting, at which time the Presiding Officer shall ask for nominations from the floor.  This request shall be made three times in accordance with                 standard parliamentary procedure.  If any nominations from the floor are received, they shall be added to the slate and the entire slate announced.  At this time, the Presiding Officer shall request that the nominations for that year be closed.  The slate of candidates shall then be published in the next magazine, with a picture of each candidate and a brief description of his or her qualifications and reason for running for office.\r\n\r\n            b.  Election procedures:  Election shall be by secret ballot to the members at their respective addresses as shown on the records of the Association forty (40) days prior to the closing date of the election. All blank ballots in excess of those sent shall remain in custody of the Secretary, until such time as the ballots are counted, and will then be                 accounted for, and become the custody of the counting committee.  The ballot shall list  and show  closing dates for receiving and counting votes.  Ballots received after the final closing date will not be counted.  A counting committee of three (3) disinterested persons shall be appointed by the Board to count ballots. All ballots printed shall be accounted for in the following manner, the number of all ballots mailed according to                   the mailing records shall be added to the number of ballots replaced, and all remaining blank ballots. This number will be balanced against the number of ballots printed according to the printing invoice. If sufficient discrepancy exists to change the outcome of the election, the election shall be declared null and void.  If the nominating committee presents only one candidate for an office and no further nominations are received from the floor at the summer show general membership                                                                                                       meeting, that candidate may be elected by acclamation at the summer show general            membership meeting  in lieu of putting his/her name on the ballot.\r\n\r\n             c. Limit of service:  No Officer or board member shall serve more than two consecutive terms in any position.\r\n\r\n             d. Eligibility:  To be able to run for the position of Officer or Board member an individual must have been a member in good standing for two (2) years immediately prior to the election.  Candidates for the position of Treasurer shall present evidence that they are qualified to hold the position and are bondable.  No more that one (1) person from an immediate family shall serve on the Board of Directors at any one time.\r\n\r\n             e. Bylaws:  Proposed bylaws shall be presented at the general membership meeting of the annual summer show, and if approved by a majority vote of the members present, shall be published in the November issue of the magazine and voted on in that year\'s election.                                        \r\n\r\nE.   Duties of the Executive Officers shall be as follows:\r\n\r\n      1.   President:  It shall be the duty of the President to preside at all meetings of the HPOCA, sign all orders and other documents of the Association drawn by the Secretary or other board members and perform other duties necessary to the HPOCA.\r\n\r\n      2.   Vice President:  It shall be the duty of the vice President to assume the duties of the President in absence of or at the request of the President.  The Vice President shall assist the President in coordination of all committees and organization activities.  The Vice President may finish an unexpired term of the President.\r\n\r\n      3.   Treasurer:   It shall be the duty of the Treasurer to handle the finances of the Association and present financial reports to the Board of Directors.  The Treasurer shall keep and preserve all financial records of the Association, and deliver all official records in his/her possession to the incoming Treasurer to assure the orderly continuation of these records.\r\n\r\n      4.   Secretary:  The Secretary shall keep and preserve accurate minutes of meetings and keep all essential records belonging to the Association, including a record of all  Association members and their addresses.  The Secretary shall deliver all official records in his/her possession to the incoming Secretary to assure the orderly continuation of these records.         \r\n\r\nF.    Service Officers. Service officers shall be appointed by the President to provide necessary services to the association. Service Officers may not vote during Board of Director meetings but may bring motions directly related to their office, and enter into any debate. Each Service Officer shall establish a budget for their office, and forward said budget to the Finance and Planning Committee, for appropriation, and to be included in the HPOCA annual budget.\r\n\r\nG.   Duties of Service Officers shall be as follows:\r\n\r\n      1.   Sergeant-at-Arms: It shall be the duty of the Sergeant-at-Arms to prepare the meeting room, to insure any member present has opportunity to attend, to announce the presiding officer, and at the order of the presiding officer maintain order in the meeting. It shall also be the duty of the Sergeant-at-Arms to at the order of the President, provide for security at HPOCA events.\r\n\r\n      2.  Chaplain: It shall be the duty of the Chaplain to give invocations as required, and when possible support the members needs in case of illness, injury, or death.      \r\n\r\n      3.  Parliamentarian: It shall be the duty of the Parliamentarian to assist the presiding officer in disposition of Points of Order, and to advise to proper Parliamentary Procedure. The Parliamentarian shall be well versed and knowledgeable of Roberts Rules of Order.\r\n\r\n      4.  Historian: It shall be the duty of the Historian to acquire, archive, and maintain items which reflect the history of HPOCA.\r\n\r\nH.   Removal of an officer:  Officers may be removed for neglect or incompetence by a three-fourths (3/4) vote of the attending members at a special or annual meeting, provided that notice was given by mail to all members at their respective addresses not less than thirty (30) days prior to the meeting.                                                                            \r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nARTICLE V                                                                                           \r\n\r\nMEETING OF THE MEMBERS\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nA.   Annual Meeting:  The Annual meeting shall be held during the winter get-together for the purpose of transaction of such business as may come before the meeting.\r\n\r\nB.   Special Meetings:  Special meetings of the members, for any purpose or purposes, may be called by any three (3) Elected Officers or by written petition signed by one hundred (100) current voting members in good standing of the Association.\r\n\r\nC.   Notice:  Notice of special meetings of the members shall be given by regular mail to the members at their respective addresses as shown on the records of the Association, not less than thirty (30) days nor more than sixty (60) days prior to the date of the meeting.  A notice of special meeting shall state the purpose or purposes for which the meeting is called,  and shall specify the date, time and place of the special meeting.\r\n\r\nD.   Quorum:  Forty (40) members of the Association including a simple majority of the Board of Directors represented in person or by proxy, shall constitute a quorum for the transaction of business at a meeting of the members.\r\n\r\nE.   Board of Directors Meetings:  The Board of Directors shall hold necessary meetings to properly conduct the business of the Association, but at least one meeting per quarter will be held.  Members are entitled to attend Board meetings and to address the Board.  A brief annual report of action taken by the Board of Directors shall be published in the magazine.\r\nAt no time may debts be incurred in excess of the treasury balance.\r\n\r\nF.   Proxy Purpose-Limits:   Proxies shall be dated, hand signed by the member assigning the proxy and shall bear the name of the member in good standing to whom the proxy is given. No special words are necessary.  The person named in the proxy must be personally present to vote.  Double or secondhand proxies will not be permitted.\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nARTICLE VI\r\n\r\nBOARD OF DIRECTORS\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nA.   General Powers:  The business and affairs of the Association  shall be managed by the  Board of Directors.  Except as otherwise provided in the Articles of Incorporation, the Board of Directors may authorize any officer or agent to enter into any contract or to execute and deliver any instrument in the name and on behalf of the Association.  All approval of\r\n funds shall be made by a a majority vote of the board of Directors, unless otherwise ordered by a majority of those voting members present in person at any meeting of the members.\r\n\r\nB.   Composition:  The Board of Directors shall be comprised of the Executive Officers, as set forth in Article IV, Section A of these bylaws, the Past President and the Chairpersons of the standing committees.\r\n\r\nC:   Special Board of Director\'s meetings:  Special board of Directors meetings may be called at any time or place within ten (10) days by the President or any three (3) board members.  Notice to Board members may be in writing or by phone.\r\n\r\nD.   Vacancies:  Any vacancy on the board of Directors shall be filled pursuant to Article IV, section A of these bylaws by the appointment or election of said Director or Officer.  In the event that a vacancy arises on the board of Directors of the Past President due to resignation, death or otherwise, then the position shall remain vacant until filled by the next Past President.\r\n\r\nE.   No Officer, or Director shall be compensated for the duties of their position.\r\n \r\n\r\nARTICLE VII                                                                                                    \r\n\r\nCOMMITTEES\r\n                                                                          \r\n\r\nA.   Directors:  Directors shall be chairpersons of their respective committees, as follows:\r\n\r\nB.   Standing committees:\r\n\r\n      1.  Each director shall be a committee chairperson.\r\n\r\n      2.  The Chairperson will select their own committees.\r\n\r\n      3.  No committee member shall be a paid employee of the Association.\r\n\r\n      4.  Each committee shall be responsible for records of its meetings including final details, costs, etc. of all planned activities to be passed on to succeeding committees.                                                                                                                               \r\n\r\n      5.  Special Committees shall be appointed by the President and shall continue to function until their duty is completed or until they are dismissed by the Officer who appointed them.\r\n\r\n      6.  The President shall be notified of all committee meeting dates in advance and action taken within thirty (30) days after the meeting.\r\n\r\n      7.  Committees shall consist of no less than three (3) members.\r\n\r\n      8.  When to the benefit of HPOCA, any committee chairman may create sub-committees to deal with specific functions of the committee.\r\n\r\nC.   The following committees may be standing committees of the Association, as required.\r\n\r\n      1.   Membership and Chapter Coordination Committee:  \r\n\r\n            a.  The membership and chapter coordination committee will maintain and update a list of members with their respective addresses.  In addition, this committee will maintain a membership roster from each chapter and ensure that all chapter members are members in good standing of the Association.  Further duties shall include furnishing                 information to prospective new chapters when requested, and coordinating joint Association-chapter activities.\r\n\r\n            b.  Develop invitational material to attract new members with the assistance of the promotion and publicity committee.\r\n\r\n            c.  This committee shall consist of one member from each chapter.\r\n\r\n       2.   Promotion and Publicity Committee:  \r\n\r\n             a. Create and maintain promotional material to promote membership and provide information about the Association and chapter functions.\r\n\r\n             b. Advertising for membership, promotional items, shows and other ads shall be coordinated and designed between this committee and any other appropriate committee, magazine editor, staff or member.\r\n\r\n             c. This committee shall recommend, design and coordinate all promotional items for the Association.  \r\n\r\n       3.   Finance and Planning Committee:\r\n\r\n             a.  This committee shall determine ways and means of fund raising;\r\n\r\n             b.  Develop a budget for each year, one year in advance;\r\n\r\n             c.  Provide long-range planning on income-producing activities and guidelines for expenditures;\r\n\r\n             d.  coordinate actions between all committees, which involve financing.\r\n\r\n             e.  Shall have the authority to appropriate all funding matters.\r\n\r\n       4.   Activity Committee:\r\n\r\n             a.  This committee shall plan and coordinate all events and fellowship activities of the Association, especially the summer show and winter get-together.\r\n\r\n             b.  Shows and other activities shall be planned well in advance with approval of the Board of Directors.\r\n\r\n             c.  The activity committee shall work with the HPOCA designated representative and/or chapter following current policies and procedures for shows, banquets and meetings, etc. in the area where the specific event will occur.\r\n\r\nD.   The following committees shall be Special Committees of the Association.\r\n\r\n      1.    Auditing Committee:  This committee shall have three (3) members appointed by the Board of Directors, but will not include members of the Board of Directors.\r\n\r\n      2.   Nominating Committee:  This committee shall have either three (3) or five (5) members selected in accordance with Article IV, Section D, Paragraph 2a of these bylaws.\r\n\r\n            a.  This committee shall propose at least one (1) candidate for each Office or Directorship at the general membership meeting of the summer show preceding the election.\r\n\r\n            b.  No unwilling candidates shall be proposed.                                                                                                                      \r\n\r\n            c.  The committee shall consider nominations submitted by any member of the Association prior to the summer show general membership meeting, and shall verify each candidate\'s qualifications to run for election.\r\n\r\n            d.  The committee shall receive a brief statement of each candidate\'s qualifications and reason(s) for running for a Board position, review these for uniformity, and forward these statements along with a photograph of each candidate to the magazine editor by the deadline for the November-December issue of the magazine.\r\n\r\n            e.  There will be no write-in candidates.\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nARTICLE VIII                                                                                                 \r\n\r\nORDER OF BUSINESS\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nA.   Order of business:  The order of business at each meeting of the Association, unless otherwise directed by a majority of the voting members at any meeting, shall be as follows:\r\n\r\n      1.   Call to order.\r\n\r\n      2.   Attendance.\r\n\r\n      3.   Agenda.\r\n\r\n      4.   Reading and disposal of any previous meeting minutes.\r\n\r\n      5.   Treasurer\'s Report.\r\n\r\n      6.   Committeee reports.\r\n\r\n      7.   Old business.\r\n\r\n      8.   New Business.\r\n\r\n      9.   Adjourn.\r\n\r\nB.   Points of order:  The meetings of the Association shall be governed by Robert\'s Rules of Order, Newly Revised, unless provisions in these bylaws supercede Robert\'s Rules of Order, Newly Revised. All questions shall be decided by vote and all differences of opinion regarding points of order shall be settled by the above mentioned rules.  Anyone deliberately disrupting a meeting may be removed from the meeting without further question by order of the Executive Committee.\r\n\r\n \r\nARTICLE IX\r\n\r\nCHAPTERS\r\n\r\nA.   The relationship of the chapters to the Association shall be defined in the Policy and Procedures Manual.\r\n\r\nB.   New chapters will be gladly welcomed upon majority vote of the Board of Directors.\r\n\r\nC.   All chapter members must be members in good standing of the National Association.  \r\n\r\nD.   chapters must not be in competition with the National Association.\r\n\r\nE.   Officers and Directors of the National Association need to be included in chapter mailing lists and must be kept informed of all chapter activities.\r\n\r\nF.   Chapters can incorporate the National Association logo into or with the chapter logo, but may not alter the National Association logo.\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nARTICLE X\r\n\r\nMISCELLANEOUS\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nA.   Seal:  The Association shall have no official seal.\r\n\r\nB.   Fiscal year:  The fiscal year of the Association shall end at the close of business on the last day of November of each year.\r\n\r\nC.   Standing Rules:   A Policy and Procedures manual shall be established to contain standing rules and all other policies and procedures of the Association, including duties of the Officers and Directors.\r\n\r\nD.   Disciplinary Procedure: No member shall engage or assist those engaging in activity which is injurious, libelous, or detrimental to HPOCA, its purposes, or the good name of HPOCA. Penalty for those found to be guilty of such activity shall be limited to reprimand, fine, suspension, or expulsion. Trial procedure shall be compliant to Roberts Rules of Order.\r\n\r\nE.   Audits:   The financial books and records of the Association shall be audited on an annual basis by a CPA who shall not be a member of the Board of Directors or perform any other accounting function for the Association or by a committee of not less than three (3) disinterested persons appointed by the Board of Directors.\r\n\r\nF.   Amendments:  These bylaws may be amended by a majority vote of all members under the rules as stated in Article IV, section D of these bylaws.\r\n\r\nG.   These bylaws or any amendments shall not be valid until they have been approved.\r\n\r\n      1.   Passed un-amended by a two-thirds 2/3 vote of ballots cast by the membership of the Association.\r\n\r\n      2.  If ratified, these bylaws will become effective immediately and all previous bylaws shall become null and void.','',0,'QA==','3k4njp02',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3995,938,18,10611,0,'209.153.160.207',1095656409,1,0,1,0,1,0,'','Summary of By-Law Changes','The following summary will appear in the Nov/Dec issue of the HPOCA magazine.  -- Chris Losey\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[b:1wieg5b1]Summary of recommended bylaw changes.[/b:1wieg5b1]\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nThe bylaws committee has met and reviewed the current bylaws. We have found deficiencies sufficient to recommend the following changes;\r\n\r\nArticle II section D, Due to changes in membership service providers, we opt to change this from a physical address, and publish the current office in the magazine.\r\n\r\nArticle III section A, corrects the current principle address.\r\n\r\nArticle IV section D (1) outlines authority for elections.\r\n\r\nArticle IV section D (2) Requires that Directors be elected, and the terms to be used. It also changes the Director of Membership to become the Director of Membership and Chapter Coordinator, this position is to be elected by Chapter representatives, from the body of the same. Which shall consist of 1 representative from each chapter who wish to send one.\r\n\r\nArticle IV section D (2) a. This change effects the way we seat a nominating committee. Instead of being appointed by the President, it is recommended this be comprised of volunteer members. The procedure is outlined in the proposal, please read carefully.\r\n\r\nArticle IV section D (2) b. The major change recommended in this sub-paragraph, is to add provisions which require accountability for all ballots printed.\r\n\r\nArticle IV section D (2) c. Sets term limits for elected positions.\r\n\r\nArticle IV section D (2) d. Requires a candidate for Treasurer be bondable. This also recommends that Board of Director positions be limited to one per family.\r\n\r\nArticle IV section D (2) e. Sets procedure for amending bylaws.\r\n\r\nArticle IV section F Establishes Service Officers.\r\n\r\nArticle IV section G Defines the duties of Service Officers.\r\n\r\nArticle VI section E Requires board members receive no compensation for performing their duties.\r\n\r\nArticle VII section B (7) Makes a requirement for a minimum of 3 members serving on each committee.\r\n\r\nArticle VII section B (8) Allows for sub-committees.\r\n\r\nArticle VII section C (1) Describes the duties of the Membership and Chapter coordination committee.\r\n\r\nArticle VII section C (2) Remove the words ‘No other committee or board member shall move on a project without the approval of this committee &amp; the Board of Directors.’ This is an autonomous clause, which is inappropriate in view of the fact than no other committee enjoys the same privilege\r\n\r\nArticleVII section C (3) e. Moves appropriation of funding to Finance and Planning. This is the committee responsible for budgeting, it is proper that this committee handle this duty also, as they would have a better knowledge as to what the financial situation is.\r\n\r\nArticle VIII section B Allows the bylaws to take precedence over Roberts Rules of Order. Bylaws should govern an organization, whereas, Roberts should govern a meeting. \r\n\r\nArticle X section D Adds a disciplinary procedure. This is recommended under Parliamentary Law, and protects the corporation.\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nYou may find minor changes effecting the numbering, and some wording, on the Proposed Bylaws. These have no effect on the body of the document, and are done out of necessity to make the bylaws better understood. This should be considered as an outline for reference to where major changes were recommended. You are encouraged to read the entire proposal.\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nI would like to take this opportunity to thank those who contributed to this effort. Committee members, Paul W. Rode, Jr., Lee E. Smith, Peter Markowski, Bill Bechthold, Terry Allen, Larry Widner, Bill Brandt, Frank Dodson, Duane ‘Uncle Du’ Brandt, and John Hume, as well as all the members who contributed your valuable suggestions. Without your contributions this effort would have not been possible!!!\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nRespectfully submitted,\r\n\r\n                                                     Andy Blackwood\r\n\r\n                                                     Bylaws Committee Chairman','',0,'QA==','1wieg5b1',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(3996,911,3,47,0,'12.65.54.85',1095657053,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hi Bob!!','Hey Bob,\r\nIf you look back 2 years in your magazine, you will find what I wrote when I ran for President. You will find that I made a point of the fact that there are problems with the administrative structure. There is no accountability. This is a major factor in my taking on the bylaws, to bring some sort of accountability, thus stability to the structure. I feel those serving are good people, but without a great deal of supervision. As far as Sherry\'s situation, she was contracting unsupervised, big mistake! It is a mistake on both parties. I have never seen a customer who didn\'t provide some sort of supervision, and I wouldn\'t want to take a contract without at least minimal supervision. I saw a problem there a few years ago, it never got any better, and as you say it \'eroded\'. I don\'t know about you, but when I get an erosion problem on the farm, I find a way to fix it. The way I see it, the board didn\'t stay on top of things until it was too late. I also would like to see more communication from the board, I think maybe you are right in saying to just say it didn\'t work, end of discussion, and leave it at that. My really big problem is I joined to do tractor things, and meet new friends, I have done lots of this, there is more to do. All the politics and money gets in my way!!! I would rather have fun, which by the way, got any of those blue Labatt\'s hanging around there? You guys got Finland, EH? I saw that!!!\r\nBut, I try to answer whatever questions I can, I don\'t mind that. I try to be as accurate as I know at the time, with the information I have. Sometimes things change that can effect this, like I like to point out the \'unknown\' factor. That unknown factor is a dirty dog! But, I do call it as I see it, and don\'t care who likes it or not. It is more fun to go to shows and talk to members, I learn lots doing that!!!\r\nI\'m sure we can get all lined out, just gonna take a little time, and going back to the basics. I know members who adamantly refuse to become involved an any of the politics, they stick with the basics, and mess with tractors, and such. I\'m not so sure that they are not the smartest ones!!!\r\n\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','15tjw4x1',1,0,'',47,0,0),(3997,911,3,110,0,'205.188.116.21',1095658121,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Right on Andy','No doubt about it, they are the smartest ones!!!  But since i have met Sherry, we have become good freinds, nothing more, nothing less. My involvement with all this originated when people started running her and her family down for the handling of the #3 project. I might be right or maybe im wrong in my points of veiw, who cares, i can hold my head up knowing i stood behind a freind, and wasnt afraid to put my signature on those beliefs.Im actually not all that concerned with the politics of this club, i too would rather enjoy the hands on part of the hobby, but all this silence is getting the better of my curiousity also.  Later Bob','',0,'QA==','2p7s3h4p',1,0,'',110,0,0),(3998,939,2,705,0,'213.122.114.115',1095676604,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Hart-Parr No.2','Hi\r\n\r\nDoes anyone know whether there are any Hart-Parr No.2 tractors still in existence? I read on a website that there are a few left in private hands, but have been unable to confirm this. Can anyone help?\r\n\r\nI would also be interested to hear of any other early \'big\' Hart-Parr tractors in museums or private collections in the US/Canada. Perhaps it would be possible to set up a listing of where you can see these tractors in preservation? \r\n\r\nThanks\r\n\r\nDavid (UK)','',0,'QA==','3c4hf2q9',1,0,'',705,0,0),(3999,932,5,487,0,'141.151.191.94',1095682993,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','avatar','Hi Chris\r\n  Thank you for the help, much appreciated.\r\n Irvin L. Albright #9423 <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> [/i]','',0,'','crnzq1q7',1,0,'',487,0,0),(4000,940,3,238,0,'152.163.100.196',1095691658,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','By Laws','Andy and others,\r\nThanks for posting the proposed changes in an understandable format. I requested it be done this way, and it makes it easy for a member to print from your list and print the existing by laws and compare.\r\nThanks also to all who put the effort into this work. Although I may not agree with all the changes, I greatly appreciate the amount of energy and time that you all put forth in this project. My hat is off for all of you.\r\n                                                           Larry Coltrin #10010535','',0,'','229n0mgl',1,0,'',238,0,0),(4001,940,3,47,0,'12.65.1.226',1095699191,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Larry,\r\nThanks for the compliment! We knew going in that not everything would please everybody. So, we used the input we had at the time to establish what we could determine as the will of the majority of the members. That is probably as good as could be done, there is something for about everyone in the proposal, not everything for everybody, which would be mission impossible. Anyhow, I feel this is a good starting point, as it greatly increases the influence the members have, and requires considerably more accountability. It will also bring more members into the processes, which is a good thing. I did drop the ball though on one item of the summary, and it was an oversight on my part, I take the blame, I didn\'t catch it until I made one last review. I have e-mailed Chris to make the appropriate addition. It is the following;\r\n\r\nArticleVII section C (3) e. Moves appropriation of funding to Finance and Planning. This is the committee responsible for budgeting, it is proper that this committee handle this duty also, as they would have a better knowledge as to what the financial situation is. \r\n\r\nIt is nothing really major, but I am not trying to hide anything. So, I thought I should bring this error on my part to attention.\r\nI hope this does not cause anyone an inconvience.\r\nOnce again, thank you for the compliment!!!\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'','1x6a6vp9',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4002,940,3,465,0,'4.225.94.184',1095706119,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','[b:23iaw4ay]Question[/b:23iaw4ay]\r\n\r\n Will each change be voted on, or will it be take or leave all of them? In a quick reading, some I agree with and others not. at this point if asked to vote on them as a whole I would vote no.','',0,'QA==','23iaw4ay',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4003,932,5,363,0,'68.152.9.254',1095712920,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Hmmm, why does mine seem distorted???  Maybe if I send you a picture sometime you can clean it up a little for me and make it look better??','',0,'QA==','1bqkeqor',1,0,'',363,0,0),(4004,941,1,43,0,'158.247.216.46',1095714728,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','threshers','Does anyone know what the height of a Red River Special thresher would be? I don\'t know what the model is yet.  Just need to know about the maximum height.\r\nThanks,\r\nGeoffrey','',0,'QA==','11f8lcry',1,0,'',43,0,0),(4005,940,3,47,0,'12.64.6.190',1095715027,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','Re:','Hey Keith M.,\r\n It as always will be either an accept or reject proposition. These are the only options available. I refer you to Article X section G. There are no multiple choice options. You may vote in any manner you wish, how you vote is a business decision, it is your business, which is personal business, and none of my business!! Nor will I ever tell how I vote on anything, that is my business!\r\n\r\nHave a great day!!!\r\nAndy','',0,'QA==','m2bcr6id',1,0,'',47,0,0),(4006,940,3,465,0,'4.225.93.216',1095724125,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Andy,\r\n\r\n Where does what I write become so twisted in your mind? I ask a simple question, do we vote on each change? Or do I have to swallow your whole package of changes?\r\n  \r\n Article X section G?  It does not exist on this website. Are you working on the same bylaws. I cannot refer to what is not there.\r\n \r\n You make it very apparent how you will vote in your own way. I disagree with several proposed changes and will make that apparent in my own way.\r\n \r\n I can\'t be thrown out of the HPOCA for that yet!!!!\r\n\r\nKeith M.\r\n#10438','',0,'QA==','3scwmad1',1,0,'',465,0,0),(4007,939,2,39,0,'208.210.151.238',1095738645,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','There is a Hart-Parr 60 in the Dome Valley Museum in Yuma, AZ <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','2ctntcw2',1,0,'',39,0,0),(4008,932,5,10611,0,'209.153.156.171',1095739097,1,0,1,1,1,1,'','','Your avatar needs to be 80 by 80 pixels, or less. If it is larger, the forum software will resize it, but it seems to have a problem keeping it in proportion. The best bet is to resize it before uploading. It can 80 by 45, or 3 by 80, as long as neither dimension is greater than 80.\r\n\r\nOne more requirement, the image must be 10k in size, or smaller. If it is bigger, the software will tell you.\r\n\r\nThat\'s why I\'m doing this for those that want it. Most tractor collectors are computer challenged, but that doesn\'t mean they shouldn\'t be able to enjoy the features of this forum. If you want me to do it for you, I\'d be happy to do it. Otherwise the above information should get you going.','',0,'QA==','2yq1zr0c',1,0,'',10611,0,0),(4009,939,2,705,0,'213.122.191.5',1095750897,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','','Thanks for that info. I am planning to visit the Dome Valley Museum in the spring, when I next travel to the US. By the way, do you know what happened to all the \'big\' tractors from the Oscar\'s Dreamland sale?\r\n\r\nDavid','',0,'QA==','63tv0rii',1,0,'',705,0,0),(4010,942,6,7,0,'12.109.70.88',1095775176,1,0,1,1,1,0,'','IT\'S A GIRL!','<!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D --> Kaitlin Marie, arrived at 7:08PM Sept. 20, 2004 at St. Francis Medical Center in Peoria, IL. She weighed 7lbs 8oz and was 19.5 inches long. Mother and daughter are doing fantastic, not so sure about the grandparents. <!-- s:D --><img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif\" alt=\":D\" title=\"Very Happy\" /><!-- s:D -->','',0,'QA==','2xghjutc',1,0,'',7,0,0),