(7383,1534,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1175892300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Best Spanish films','I guess the situation in most countries is the same.\r\nHere in Germany I can see hundreds of older films on TV all of the time, but I also haven\'t seen as much of them as I have seen from Hollywood...\r\nToo bad so little of a country\'s output gets released abroad.','4d367847297d7810f903d62ab6d4cc0a',0,'','3oYwQvfh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7384,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143700500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Your 10 favorite movies of all time','This list is always changing for me. Chronological order:\r\n\r\nJournal d\'un cur de campagne (1952) - Robert Bresson \r\nbout de souffle (1960) - Jean Luc Godard \r\nLe Samoura (1967) - Jean-Pierre Melville \r\nAguirre, der Zorn Gottes (1972) - Werner Herzog \r\nThe Godfather (1972) - Francis Ford Coppola \r\nChinatown (1974) - Roman Polanski \r\nOnce Upon a Time in America (1984) - Sergio Leone \r\nParis, Texas (1984) - Wim Wenders \r\nKrtki film o zabijaniu (1988 ) - Krzysztof Kieslowski \r\nDead Man (1995) - Jim Jarmusch','148d1c72b901135411f6435f26a401cc',0,'','WSYJNQBr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7385,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143704940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','Only 10? Scary to make this decision, but here goes..... in chronological order also and with the one per director rule.\r\n\r\nSunrise (1927) - F.W. Murnau \r\nVredens dag (1943) - Carl Theodor Dreyer \r\nJournal d\'un cur de campagne (1951) - Robert Bresson \r\nTokyo monogatari (1953) - Yasujiro Ozu \r\nVivre sa vie (1962) - Jean-Luc Godard \r\nProfessione: reporter (1975) - Michelangelo Antonioni \r\nStalker (1979) - Andrei Tarkovsky \r\nSans soleil (1983) - Chris Marker \r\nParis, Texas (1984) - Wim Wenders \r\nLa Belle noiseuse (1991) - Jacques Rivette \r\n\r\nIt\'s really hard to have much confidence in this list because it\'s so small and because i was unsure of leaving about 15 more out. Cassavetes was the hardest director to leave out.','039085727dc1707aebbcee5d3227fda4',0,'','zmVY7irC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7386,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143750840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','I\'m not contritubing mine just yet, because it\'s been set in stone for so long, I\'m bored with it. I just think it\'s funny that both of you had Diary of a Country Priest (it\'s what we call it in the US), and both of you had a different year from when it was officially released, which was 1950. My list however is shockingly American, as in 9/10 are in English. I tell you what I will do however, when I finish my overly long project of catalouging, I\'ll contribute top ten lists for each year from about 1927 on up, those would seem much more interesting. I mean we have plenty of debate over everyone\'s 2005 and 2004 lists, so imagine how much debate we could get in over out ten best lists from 1967, 1941, or 1975? International release dates would apply.','84b511f43e3f6b1a31efe73647a06635',0,'','mGWw24nC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7387,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143776820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','If you can come up with a comprehensive top 10 list for every year from 1927 then you really need to get out more. By comprehensive, i mean having seen at least 30 or 40 films that don\'t make the top 10 list.\r\n\r\nAlso, who cares when the Bresson film was \"officially\" released? (i went by IMDB) In the scheme of the world, does it matter? Of course not!','d5fbe0ca9b68497236ac85ee55d51d77',0,'','Bz3jA8qU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7388,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143792420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Unregistered(d)','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','\r\nMeaning compulsively watchable films?\r\n\r\nOut of Sight / Soderberg\r\nThe Ice storm / Lee\r\nCome and See / Klimov\r\nCool Hand Luke / Rosenberg\r\nPunch drunk love / PT Anderson\r\nLe fabuleux destin d\'Amlie Poulain / Jenet\r\nChildren of a lesser God / Raines\r\nThree Colors: Red / Kieslowski\r\nUn coeur en hiver / Sautet \r\nGoodbye South, goodbye / Hsiao Hsien','9ff9adc8abf9b8773ef27b5567e256d8',0,'','e05TcW4H',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7389,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144163820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gululv','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','Right now these are the ten films I like best:\r\n\r\n1. The Spirit of the Beehive (Erice)\r\n2. The Time to Live and the Time to Die (Hou)\r\n3. Sansho the Bailiff (Mizoguchi)\r\n4. Kings of the Road (Wenders)\r\n5. Blue Velvet (Lynch)\r\n6. Raining Stones (Loach), or Kes\r\n7. The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser (Herzog)\r\n8. Ariel (Kaurismki)\r\n9. Pather Panchali (Ray)\r\n10. Night of the Hunter (Laughton)','a8ebdb1de3fea0db4932664b73b58a50',0,'','cldhUT9K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7390,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144639080,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','If I had to expand the list to 20 films, it\'d look something like this:\r\n\r\nNosferatu, eine Symphonie des Grauens (1922) - F.W. Murnau \r\nCitizen Kane (1941) - Orson Welles \r\nJournal d\'un cur de campagne (1952) - Robert Bresson \r\nbout de souffle (1960) - Jean Luc Godard \r\nLe Samoura (1967) - Jean-Pierre Melville \r\n2 ou 3 choses que je sais d\'elle (1967) - Jean Luc Godard \r\nA Clockwork Orange (1971) - Stanley Kubrick \r\nAguirre, der Zorn Gottes (1972) - Werner Herzog \r\nThe Godfather (1972) - Francis Ford Coppola \r\nChinatown (1974) - Roman Polanski \r\nThe Conversation (1974) - Francis Ford Coppola \r\nThe Godfather part 2 (1974) - Francis Ford Coppola \r\nApocalypse Now (1979) - Francis Ford Coppola \r\nOnce Upon a Time in America (1984) - Sergio Leone \r\nParis, Texas (1984) - Wim Wenders \r\nBlue Velvet (1986) - David Lynch \r\nKrtki film o zabijaniu (1988 ) - Krzysztof Kieslowski \r\nDead Man (1995) - Jim Jarmusch \r\nThe Pianist (2002) - Roman Polanski \r\nLast Days (2005) - Gus Van Sant','faa42a43d7fc61e62943a96042f04333',0,'','YhHma8ZJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7391,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1145916120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','Ok, here\'s my current Top Ten:\r\n\r\n1. Dead Man (Jim Jarmusch / USA / 1995)\r\n2. Eureka (Shinji Aoyama / Japan / 2000)\r\n3. La maman et la putain (Jean Eustache / France / 1973)\r\n4. Barry Lyndon (Stanley Kubrick / UK / 1975)\r\n5. Topzu (Ryu Murakami / Japan / 1992)\r\n6. Deus e o Diabo na Terra do Sol (Glauber Rocha / Brazil / 1964)\r\n7. Les enfants du paradis (Marcel Carn / France / 1945)\r\n8. City Lights (Charles Chaplin / USA / 1931)\r\n9. Mes petites amoureuses (Jean Eustache / France / 1974)\r\n10. Goto, l\'le d\'amour (Walerian Borowczyk / France / 1968)','b1527d1346d2999e071dc02256f0d1c6',0,'','sDcUdQ3K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7392,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1145916840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','And the next Ten \r\n\r\n11. Un chien andalou (Luis Bunuel, Salvador Dal / France / 1928 ) \r\n12. 2001 - A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick / USA / 1968 ) \r\n13. Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock / USA / 1958 ) \r\n14. Zabriskie Point (Michelangelo Antonioni / USA / 1970)\r\n15. Paris, Texas (Wim Wenders / West Germany, France / 1984)\r\n16. Pola X (Leos Carax / France / 1999)\r\n17. Le Mpris (Jean-Luc Godard / France / 1963)\r\n18. Trys dienos (Sharunas Bartas / Soviet Union / 1991)\r\n19. Moe no Suzaku (Naomi Kawase / Japan / 1996)\r\n20. Nema-ye Nazdik (Abbas Kiarostami / Iran / 1990)','2d22a661bc522db5c900cc406e7c0d8f',0,'','yrVszl4Y',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7393,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1145928660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','I love your list, even though I\'ve seen only a few films on it.','701b047def860469fe016d26c0fb5cee',0,'','LG5wH6uk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7394,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1145933880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','Thanks, I like yours too. Which films haven\'t you seen?','72e1fff7ab0e1516bfcd8bf719d92b43',0,'','SURW6EXj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7395,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1145934120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','2. Eureka (Shinji Aoyama / Japan / 2000)\r\n3. La maman et la putain (Jean Eustache / France / 1973)\r\n5. Topzu (Ryu Murakami / Japan / 1992)\r\n6. Deus e o Diabo na Terra do Sol (Glauber Rocha / Brazil / 1964)\r\n7. Les enfants du paradis (Marcel Carn / France / 1945)\r\n8. City Lights (Charles Chaplin / USA / 1931)\r\n9. Mes petites amoureuses (Jean Eustache / France / 1974)\r\n10. Goto, l\'le d\'amour (Walerian Borowczyk / France / 196 \r\n14. Zabriskie Point (Michelangelo Antonioni / USA / 1970)\r\n16. Pola X (Leos Carax / France / 1999)\r\n17. Le Mpris (Jean-Luc Godard / France / 1963)\r\n18. Trys dienos (Sharunas Bartas / Soviet Union / 1991)\r\n19. Moe no Suzaku (Naomi Kawase / Japan / 1996)\r\n20. Nema-ye Nazdik (Abbas Kiarostami / Iran / 1990)','211455edd2973570f22ccd7d51a01eed',0,'','Nn5W2zPX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7396,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1145941020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','One of these days I will see Black God White Devil, I did see Terra Em Transe and it was brilliant. As far as I know Eureka is still unavailable here, but I did find a bootleg of it.','9f0023ca6cefa6124d630706d830f223',0,'','KhZ375dM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7397,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1145949720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','@ Don\r\nO K... you need to see a lot, but let me assure you they are all great \r\n\r\n@wpqx\r\nYOu can get Eureka from Artificial Eye in the UK. I liked the washed-out print. I own it taped from TV \r\nI had a VHS copy of Terra em Transe, but it was the worst picture quality I have ever seen I tried four or five times, but gave up after the first scenes. Still the only film I\'ve seen by Rocha. Same goes for Murakami, Aoyama and Kawase. But I\'m not in a rush, as life lies still ahead of me','1ad5c286cf0537c1ecfd9e44028ae06e',0,'','EvD7aykb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7398,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168297020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','I could have sworn i\'d done this before here.\r\n\r\nSansho the Bailiff (Mizoguchi)\r\nMirror (Tarkovsky)\r\nAndrei Rublev (Tarkovsky)\r\nThe Green Ray (Rohmer)\r\nMaborosi (Kore-eda)\r\nCeline and Julie go Boating (Rivette)\r\nL\'Avventura (Antonioni)\r\nAbraham Valley (Oliveira)\r\n2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)\r\nParis Texas (Wenders)\r\n\r\n+\r\nSunrise, La Regle du Jeu, Alice in the Cities, Pather Panchali, North by Northwest..\r\n\r\nParis Texas seems very popular in these parts!','02c9492cf65537671f366413823ff875',0,'','nJ5yxZNw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7399,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168298100,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','And now for my wife\'s favourite films!\r\n\r\nThe Green Ray (Rohmer)- we both loved this and then saw the ray together at Aruba!\r\nTokyo Story (Ozu)\r\nStalker (Tarkovsky)\r\nMetropolis (Lang)\r\nThe Untouchables (De Palma)\r\nThe Age of Innocence (Scorsese)\r\nThe Last of the Mohicans (Mann)\r\nRaise the Red Lantern (Zhang Yimou)\r\nSeven Samurai (Kurosawa)\r\nSchindler\'s List (Spielberg)\r\n+\r\nSunrise, L\'Atalante, Blue Velvet, Red Sorghum, Miller\'s Crossing, Kwaidan (Hoichi, Snow Woman), Through the Olive Trees','d956badb957fadd29cdfd30cd3e3bca1',0,'','CsveMxtG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7400,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168299180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','Yeah these lists are a little common, and too general for my tastes. Hell I even think top ten\'s by decade are too general.','956742875442e484cfc72dd5862d4a5e',0,'','bKUcA6Fp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7401,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168556280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bamboomedia1','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','I agree with you and these things change over time. Plus, I also think it depends on your mood that day or where you are in life at the moment. We should start a thread about our top ten movies and how they reflect the day/week/month were having. This way the lists would be forever evolving, you would never leave any particular movie or director out in the cold, you could always list crappy guilty pleasures and no one could say anything about it.','8f896ea9250f9b579edc98e2b6fbbe7a',0,'','mkW0JQ3z',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7402,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168614480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'justindeimen','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','I get a lot of stick for my Top 10 of all time mainly because my choices either veet too close to the mainstream or that they aren\'t artistically viable.\r\n\r\nI\'ve grown to ignore these criticism as a Top 10 of all time list is something personal to me that has grown in me since I was a child. I\'d like to think my taste has matured but I still get a kick out of Star Wars which is on my list.','375d1e9b9e02db2c37a07ce4eda3e8ec',0,'','tLWYn8Kk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7403,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168660620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','I forgot to add one of my wife\'s favourites- The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser, which i must have blocked from my mind and she\'d not mentioned for fear no doubt of upsetting me (still a painful issue for me after my earlier run-in with the director, as others here may be aware from an old thread)','f6e17407718062a851f4b5e2f93bf7ec',0,'','vR5WutTE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7404,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169070900,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','\r\n\r\nI think a Top list should always be personal. With me it just happens, that the films I like the most are also the ones I automatically consider to be the best.\r\nSo I have no scruples listing my Ten favorites. Of course they are changing a lot over the years. \r\n\r\nI find bamboomedia\'s idea very good. Maybe you could open a thread on this.\r\n\r\nAnd yes, many lists do seem a little too similar (though I like to think that mine might look quite eclectic to some people ). \r\n\r\nOn a sidenote, I actually met a cineaste who didn\'t like Paris,Texas . Who would have thought it possible?','b06aec17a4f95efe17b0fcf11e187df2',0,'','9V3F6ors',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7405,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1171255980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','1.La Regle du Jeu..... J. Renoir\r\n2.Sayat Nova (Colour Of Pomegranate)...S. Parajanov\r\n3.Tokyo Story...... Y.Ozu\r\n4.Zerkalo (Mirror).....A. Tarkovsky\r\n5.L\'Atalante..... J.Vigo\r\n6.La Notti di Cabiria (Nights Of Cabiria)......F.Fellini\r\n7.Diary Of A Country Priest....R.Bresson\r\n8.Ordet (The Word)..... C.T.Dreyer\r\n9.Ikiru (Living/To Live)... A.Kurosawa\r\n10.La Grande Illusion..... J. Renoir\r\n\r\ni guess this is a stubborn list on my part as it hasn\'t changed in years (only re arranged) for me the top 3 are safe forever,the rest who knows?but as some idiot once said \"ATiger Never Changes His Spots\"!','b3a85e7818386f3ad37a47c568702a67',0,'','CriN7L5h',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7406,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1171376220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','I wish my Top Ten would sit as comfortable. It\'s true that some of the titles have been there for years already, but only last year, my number one dropped out of my Top 100 entirely, and I think there will be more changes in the first ranks after a couple of re-viewings.\r\n\r\nYou have a fairly classic list, and I have yet to see your 6,7, and 9.\r\nHow long have you been watching films already?','8357b8ce09ebd63f5c4f5c973d9d6f74',0,'','MiusNHYT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7407,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1171413540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','My top ten is so boring to me. I mean I love all those films, but it is nearly impossible for a new film to crack that, and everytime I think about it, I can\'t imagine my top ten list without any of the films already included. More fun is my top ten albums, which has altered quite a bit over the same number of years. Believe me A, its a little boring to have the same list memorized and unchanging for years.\r\n\r\nI\'ve seen all of GT\'s films, and like nearly everyone\'s list there are a few I would certainly have no problem with and other\'s that wouldn\'t even come near my top 100. \r\n\r\nWhy exactly did you find so much disfavor with Ulysses Gaze lately A?','f512c1302442e2a755c396f25d3fcf8f',0,'','5KVaRCWU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7408,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1171514700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','Old habits do die hard,and i do need to see some more films from Eastern Europe as i love Bela Tarr\'s work,i have been watching films seriously for over 40 years (i\'m mid 50\'s)\'i also like Angelopolous a lot i do have a penchant for the long brooding film, like tarkovsky it is all in the journey.','7416f4a71e15a7b8830ea0a2e9611066',0,'','6tmqTwLZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7409,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1171561680,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','Actually I didn\'t find much disfavor with \"Ulysse\'s Gaze\" the last time I saw it, (It\'s still one of the best films of 95) but enough to throw it out of my Top 100. I saw it at the cinema in a horribly dubbed german version, so it might improve again with another viewing (the fifth?), but I hadn\'t seen it in a long time before that, and since my taste in movies has been evolving so much during the last years, I didn\'t find it a wise decision leaving a film in my top list which I hadn\'t properly watched in a long time. I don\'t think I can leave a film in any of my list with a good conscience, if I haven\'t seen it again during the last three to four years (though one has to make compromises very often). \r\nSome time after I saw \"Ulysses\' Gaze\" again, I also rewatched Angelopoulos\' next film \"Eternity and a Day\" (199 which hadn\'t touched me the first time, and I found it to be a masterpiece. That was finally reason enough to leave out \"Ulysses\' Gaze\" from my Top 10 till I\'ve seen it again. \r\n\r\nI also looove road movies. If you look at most of my favorite films they are either about voyage or about being stuck. Actually almost my whole Top 20 could fit into this description. But I think life is like that. Either you\'re flowing, or you have to learn it again. I would like to have a glimpse into my filmtastes after 40 years. I have only been watching films seriously for about seven years, and I still feel like an amateur.','d561d4ac989db5520752c385269f581b',0,'','R5Q0XpYL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7410,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1171583520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','If you love road movies then by all means you must see Landscape in the Mist, especially considering you aready like Angelopoulos.','35df268fd626a84df926a0408141b9ee',0,'','qT42gA0f',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7411,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1171735380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','I know. \r\nI\'m currently working on persuading my colleagues at the cinema for an Angelopoulos retro in autumn. There are some prints available here, and I\'m especially looking forward to \"The Travelling Players\" (1975).','d7daf6e8e02d7c12776b7da096588e70',0,'','7TMJbWAD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7412,1535,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1172464080,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Your 10 favorite movies of all time','i can also recommend \"Landscape In The Mist\" my top Angelopoulos film..cheers','21d4ff083761d43f3f42f36bccd2e835',0,'','NFAabdti',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7413,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1167796320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Your favourite films by women directors?','Innocence (Hadzihalilovic)\r\nSilences of the Palace (Tlatli)\r\nMadchen in Uniform (Sagan)\r\nThe House is Black (Farrokhzad)\r\nThe Piano (Campion)\r\nThe Ascent (Shepitko)\r\nStory of the Weeping Camel (Davaa, Falorni)\r\nThe Day I Became a Woman (Meshkini)\r\nCleo from 5 to 7 (Varda)\r\nOrlando (Potter)\r\n+\r\nEuropa Europa (Holland)\r\nThe Apple (Samira Makhmalbaf)\r\nTitus (Taymor)\r\nBig (Marshall)\r\nBaise-moi (Despentes, Trin Thi)\r\nDaisies (Chytilova)\r\nThe Holy Girl (Martel)\r\nLittle Dorrit (Edzard)\r\nBlackboards (Samira Makhmalbaf)\r\nAn Angel at my Table (Campion)\r\nMy Brilliant Career (Armstrong)\r\nTriumph of the Will (Riefenstahl)\r\nThe Adventures of Prince Achmed (Reiniger)\r\nDaughters of the Dust (Dash)\r\nStrange Days (Bigelow)\r\nSalaam Bombay (Nair)\r\nHour of the Star (Amaral)\r\nChocolat (Denis)\r\nBoys Don\'t Cry (Peirce)\r\nAt Five in the Afternoon (Samira Makhmalbaf)\r\nMeshes of the Afternoon (Deren)\r\nMetamorphosis of Mr Samsa (Leaf)\r\n\r\nnot seen L\'Intrus (Denis), Jeanne Dielman (Akerman) or Red Road (Arnold), among others.\r\n\r\nworking towards our own little canon....','1ee52569a6a638d4cf5fde308ef695c9',0,'','sF719Rze',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7414,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1167800520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','Good list. Havent seen all of them, but also dont consider all of those I have to be great. But female filmmakers are still marginalized, although a lot has happened in the last two decades.\r\n\r\nAnd btw. John, you shouldnt forget to mention Alexander Hammid when you are speaking of Meshes of the Afternoon. He was a forerunner of the new wave in Czechoslovakia in the 60s, with his poetic films from the 30s. He is also at least as interesting and important a filmmaker as Deren herself - besides having taught her most about filmmaking himself. Just noticed that imdb isnt even listing all of his 30s work... :x \r\n\r\nOn a sidenote, Im aso glad you picked Baise-moi. As you might know, only few people like that film. \r\n\r\nMy Top 25 in chronological order with additional two that are Straub/Huillet \r\n\r\nClo de 5 7 Cleo from 5 to 7 (1961 / France / Agnes Varda)\r\nLa drive (1964 / France / Paula Delsol)\r\nSedmikrasky Daisies (1966 / Czechoslovakia / Vera Chytilov)\r\nEltvozott nap The Girl (1968 / Hungary / Mrta Mszros)\r\nOthon (1969 / West Germany, Italy / Jean-Marie Straub, Daniele Huillet)\r\nrkbefogads Adoption (1975 / Hungary / Mrta Mszros\r\nVoskhozhdeniye Ascent (1976 / Soviet Union / Larisa Shepitko)\r\nMaternale Mother and Daughter (1978 / Italy / Giovanna Gagliardo)\r\nKlassenverhltnisse Class Relations (1984 / West Germany, France / Danile Huillet, Jean-Marie Straub)\r\nSans toit ni loi Vagabond (1985 / France / Agnes Varda)\r\nRosa Luxemburg (1986 / West Germany / Margarethe von Trotta)\r\nSale comme un ange Dirty Like Angel (1989 / France / Catherine Breillat)\r\nEuropa Europa Europa Europe (1990 / Germany, France, Poland / Agnieszka Holland)\r\nKetu qiuhen Song of the Exile (1990 / Hong Kong, Taiwan / Ann Hui)\r\nThe Piano (1993 / Australia, New Zealand, France / Jane Campion)\r\nMoe no Suzaku Suzaku (1996 / Japan / Naomi Kawase)\r\nVerrckt bleiben - verliebt bleiben (1997 / Germany / Elfi Mikesch)\r\nBoys Don\'t Cry (1999 / USA / Kimberly Peirce)\r\nJesus\' Son (1999 / Canada, USA / Alison Maclean)\r\nBaise-moi @#%$ Me (2000 / France / Virginie Despentes, Coralie Trin Thi)\r\nVendredi soir Friday Night (2002 / France / Claire Denis)\r\nMy Life without Me (2003 / Spain, Canada / Isabel Coixet)\r\nTe doy mis ojos Take my eyes (2003 / Spain / Icar Bollan)\r\nMarseille (2004 / Germany / Angela Schanelec)\r\nBabooska (2005 / Austria, Italy / Tizza Covi, Rainer Frimmel)\r\nLa-bas Down There (2006 / Belgium, France / Chantal Akerman)','ad6f6ffc02304583022075c04c394bd6',0,'','vPjD785x',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7415,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1167827220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','Most of the ones you mention that aren\'t on my list i haven\'t seen- not easy to get hold of here. I liked My Life without me, though with some reservations about its message. Baise-moi feels like a guilty pleasure as it\'s widely disliked, but i suppose that\'s the main point of the film- the difference in social attitudes and audience reactions to sex and violence involving women, compared to the same by men; a deliberately challenging inversion. You\'ve reminded me of Huillet, and Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach. I will look out for Hammid. You\'re a true expert on European cinema. Song of Exile is one i\'ve been wanting to see.','4d4d8d7316fa35e72f436a9b6adad03b',0,'','oXDuEetP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7416,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1167879000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','My Life without me (2003) is probably the movie at which I cried most when I saw it for the first time - and I was at a sold-out screening with a friend. Boy, you should have seen me. The only rival to that would be Edward Scissorhands (1990). But I saw that at home. \r\n\r\nBaise-moi needed a rewatch from me to get a proper evaluation. The first time I was just shocked. I think what most people dislike about it (at least subconsciously), is that it doesn`t leave you with a sense of satisfaction in any scene, and you cannot feel safe while you watch it. You are like a forced voyeur to everything that`s going on. \r\n\r\n\"The Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach\" didnt quite make my list, though it might after a 2nd viewing. \r\n\r\nAnd I`m not really an expert (that would probably be wpqx, arsaib and especially John), just lucky to have caught some great films by women when they were showing them at the theater or on TV. But to my defence, I must also add that I rented some of the films on purpose. \r\n\r\nUntil recently I was completely unaware of Alexander Hammid (or Alexander Hackenschmied - that`s how he called himself before he came to America), but we had a seminar at University, where our great professor introduced us to some of his films (and some other Czechoslovakian movies from the 30s). In return, I introduced everybody to Sarunas Bartas. \r\nI hope you`ll be lucky with finding some of his (early) films!','25068bfc7373a3598c13c7350fb628ff',0,'','gcAqBHur',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7417,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168032420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','Very catholic lists, John and A. I haven\'t seen a number of films on both your lists. Istead of zooming in on favourites (which I find rather difficult to do), I\'ll put down a rather long list of films I liked very much, in no particular order. My clear favourite, though, among women directors is Agnes Varda and she keeps coming back like a refrain I\'ve seen 8 films by her so far and I am kind of bewitched my the so-called \'grandmother of the nouvelle vague\'. \r\n\r\nTriumph of the Will (Leni Riefenstahl)\r\nMeshes of Afternoon (Maya Deren)\r\nThe House Is Black (Forugh Farrokhzad)\r\nCleo from 5 to 7 (Agnes Varda)\r\nDaisies (Vera Chytilova)\r\nAsthenic Syndrome (Kira Muratova)\r\nThe Gleaners and I (Agnes Varda)\r\nBlackboards (Samira Makhmalbaf)\r\nThe Day I Became a Woman (Marzieh Meshkini)\r\nThe Joy of Madness (Hanna Makhmalbaf)\r\nAnatomy of Hell (Catherine Breillat)\r\nThe Swamp - (Lucrecia Martel)\r\nSweetie - (Jane Campion)\r\nLe Bonheur (Agnes Varda)\r\nTitus - (Julie Taymor)\r\nBoys Don\'t Cry (Kimberley Peirce)\r\nA Study in Choreography for the Camera (Maya Deren)\r\nThe Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach (Danielle Huillet/Jean-Marie Straub)\r\nFruits of Paradise (Vera Chytilova)\r\n36 Chowringhee Lane (Aparna Sen)\r\nVagabond (Agnes Varda)\r\nKali Salwar (Fareeda Mehta)\r\nThe Lost Honour of Katherina Blum (Margarethe Von Trotta/Volker Schlondorff)\r\nRiddles of the Sphinx (Laura Mulvey)\r\nSophie (Liv Ullman)\r\nThe Connection (Shirley Clarke)\r\nApple (Samira Makhmalbaf)\r\nDageurreotypes (agnes Varda)\r\nEuropa Europa (Agnieszka Holland)\r\nBaise-moi (Virginie Despentes/Coralie Trin Thi)','c0a56bfcf3749856ee83b3b8951149cd',0,'','4RePYoFh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7418,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168211040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','A: The last film that really made me blub, at least the first time i saw it was...A.I. Artificial Intelligence (not so much its quality, it just hit a nerve). Madhuban; good to see we seem to have similar tastes though of course there are less films to choose from by women. I\'d like to see more by both Varda and especially Akerman.','56601e4b8e5f42b5751199d59766d8f1',0,'','DPfYdV2L',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7419,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168227540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','I expected Claire Denis to be better represented in these lists. But I guess most of her early work is still widely unavailable.','a9eab5d7a92038ee0539298af0459ffc',0,'','v9Bc5Ddl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7420,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168285200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','I am embarrassed to say that I haven\'t seen any films by Akerman, and have so far managed to see only one short by Clare Denis. The one I am talking about is Vers Nancy, Denis\' contribution to the Ten Minutes Older: The Cello project, which I liked a lot.\r\n\r\n@John and A\r\n\r\nI am really curious to know what made you guys like The Piano. I found The Piano too pretty to be anywhere near provocative, which I asume was Campion\'s intent. Much of the sex and violence seemed unnecessarily aestheticised and pretentious. I saw it when I was 20 and maybe I missed something.\r\n\r\n@John\r\n\r\nI did realise that we have quite a few overlaps when I was putting down my list. The one film whose inclusion in your list made me very happy was Julie Taymor\'s Titus, which I\'ve always felt has been vastly underrated in favour of a much lesser film by her, Frida.\r\n\r\nI am eagerly waiting for lists from the others. \r\n\r\nM','8bd18fb48fd71414bb83fc70f2cfadf2',0,'','bGi1VL9j',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7421,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168292460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','This is a weak spot for me, and although I\'ve seen two Akerman films, I\'m not of the opinion that she\'s the greatest thing to happen to European film since Godard, like some rather enthusiastic critics pointed out at the time. I also wasn\'t too impressed with The Piano, and enjoyed Angel at My Table more from Campion. I have a VHS of Two Sisters that I haven\'t gotten to watch yet, but who knows.','7e05d1189b59d958c6ee4c9b69721a13',0,'','j9y6QHrb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7422,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168295580,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','I\'ve enjoyed quite a high percentage of films by women, without being stunned by the brilliance of many obvious masterpieces. I\'m not sure what to make of that yet. My taste/sexism, simply the relative lack still of opportunities for women, more modest female ambitions or their greater maturity, or stronger instinct for literary authorship...? Anyway, I would love to have a personal top 100 (and see other lists) full of films by women.\r\n\r\nGilbert Adair was very dismissive of women directors in his excellent book Flickers; i wonder whether he\'s been more impressed in the years and more numerous films since.','4d608ad1727c06f21629f9f267949cf8',0,'','9c4uN7al',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7423,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168340520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','\"The one I am talking about is Vers Nancy, Denis\' contribution to the Ten Minutes Older: The Cello project, which I liked a lot.\"\r\n\r\nI did, too. That Denis short will serve you well if you ever get the opportunity to watch L\'Intrus, which is loosely based on Jean-Luc Nancy\'s memoir of the same name.','836faf713e1068b74d617ce951969a04',0,'','KrxVpnAQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7424,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169070420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','Besides the short I have only seen two features by Denis. One is listed, the other one, Chocolat (198 , though very good, didn\'t make my list. But I need to see more by every female director. I\'m ashamed to admit that I am not able to come up with a worthy Top 100 list with films directed by women. \r\n\r\nDon\'t know what should be wrong with The Piano. I watched it several times as a teen, and found it very fascinating. But as with Stephen Daldry\'s The Hours (2002), I think half of its quality has to do with the phenomenal score by Michael Nyman - whixh isn\'t used to its full advantage i have to say. \r\nI didn\'t see it as pretentious or aestheticised, but found it rather honest and touching. And I don\'t think Campion wanted to shock (though there is this one scene - which i love by the way. When Anna Paquin is running to her stepfather to tell of the affair... I could watch this sequence over and over). And I\'m a sucker for Anna Paquin and Harvey Keitel, with a weak spot for Sam Neill (ever since I saw him in Zulawski\'s Possession (1981)).','576e3b6448dbf51c91b9c13fbdd74105',0,'','beyt12T4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7425,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169151000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','@A\r\n\r\nMight have to do with the fact that I watched 5 films one after the other that day (The Piano was the last screening at 9.30 p.m.), was stuck in traffic and had to jog 3 kms to reach the venue in time for the screening. Further, a friend and I managed to get tickets for The Piano after hustling some petty goons (it was a sold out show anticipating pornographic content) who kept stalking us for weeks. The film did not live up to so much effort and bother Besides, that year the festival had a Bergman and an Antonioni retro, and that particular day had begun with Persona, which I was watching for the first time. Had I been wise, I wouldn\'t have watched anything else that day. Maybe a rewatch of The Piano would help \r\n\r\nM','af29e4299344c3d0a21627d89bbee280',0,'','boE9A8iW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7426,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169162760,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','Optimum conditions do play a huge role in how we view films. Many films were the result of the 8th or even 9th films watched in a day (The Apu Trilogy was part of 10 films I watched in one sitting).','f39e1044440339d919183213536234d6',0,'','H13skqJt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7427,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169225520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','I\'ve noticed you seem to be getting through films at a hell of a rate- i\'ve been slowing right down and more selective. Older + greyer.','d71b841a23ba5c4bc34e763e08081eeb',0,'','v6DkKRo0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7428,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169239800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','I live 5 blocks from the best video store in the US, so that helps.','37bde90f50915b17ee460935c2e4a1d6',0,'','3or5G0u9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7429,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169247780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','8,9 or 10 films in a day. Haven\'t done that yet. My maximum was 6 in a festival.\r\nWhat other films did you see that day madhuban?\r\nAnd yes, give The Piano another chance sometime.','5731ca8a862d61358631f81ecbd75693',0,'','JUcY1TSt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7430,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169291700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','Unless it is a festival, I try not to see more than 3 films a day. I\'ll die of cinephilia if I attempted to watch 10 \r\n\r\n@A\r\n\r\n5 for that day in 1994 in this order \r\n\r\nPersona - Bergman\r\nIdentification of a Woman - Antonioni\r\nThe Silent Touch - Zanussi\r\nThe Age of Innocence - Scorsese\r\nThe Piano - Campion\r\n\r\nI guess I was still thinking of Scorsese\'s film halfway into The Piano. That I had a crush on Daniel Day Lewis didn\'t help matters either Will definitely see Campion\'s film again.','5f4ab8969300ff758d8cd303e13b3152',0,'','b46GLQsz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7431,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169684880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','I also don\'t believe that I would be able to sit through ten feature, but I haven\'t tried it yet, so who knows. \r\n\r\nI haven\'t seen the other four films on your list, so if they are all masterpieces, it might be a normal reaction to ignore The Piano after that. \r\n\r\nI\'m just kidding, though The Age of Innocence is the Scorsese film I would like to see most (besides revisiting The King of Comedy (1982) - and I haven\'t seen anything by Krzysztof Zanussi yet. There are too many talented polish filmmakers. Or maybe I should say there were...','1319f2cc70739f13d9f9fd6eb5a24389',0,'','GFCz6Np5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7432,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1170622620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','@A\r\n\r\nThe Antonioni and Zanussi films were average. It was Persona first thing in the morning that did it!','d93a146f78858a293f949e61a01045bf',0,'','KlWXrn2w',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7433,1536,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1170706200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your favourite films by women directors?','Whew. So maybe it was that you watched Persona, and couldn\'t enjoy the next two films, and after Scorsese the same happened again. \r\nI also have problems concentrating on the next film, if I see a great one before that. My mind keeps wondering back to it. Just saw Vincent Gallo\'s The Brown Bunny (2003) again during the weekend, and I\'m still thinking of it. In comparison, I didn\'t enjoy the last three films I watched since (by Kitano and Tati!) very much. Great films exist kind of in a world of their own.','d8a96e00b1407296978065f8c439229f',0,'','fM01r7n4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7434,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168216200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Top 10 Documentaries?','1. Man with a Movie Camera (Vertov)\r\n2. Hearts and Minds (Davis)\r\n3. The World at War (BBC)\r\n4. Sans Soleil (Marker)\r\n5. The Civil War (Burns)\r\n6. The Sorrow and the Pity (Ophuls)\r\n7. Story of the Weeping Camel (Davaa, Falorni)- semi-doc\r\n8. Song of Ceylon (Wright)\r\n9. People on Sunday (Ulmer, Siodmak)- semi-doc\r\n10.Touching the Void (Macdonald)\r\n\r\n+\r\nThe House is Black (Farrokhzad)- somehow slipped my mind\r\nThe Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner (Herzog)\r\nWhen we were Kings (Gast)','ccbe9b57517a4ff0919d48002d90b8da',0,'','0SXpuWk1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7435,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168299720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','My tastes may seem very eclectic, but those are simply the best I have seen, and though it\'s not like I have seen hundreds of documentaries, these ten are (near) masterpieces that should be seen by every cineaste. Some of them are not completely \"documentaries\", but the term is so hard to define, and if Nanook counts, so do they. :)\r\n\r\n1. Verrckt bleiben - verliebt bleiben (Elfi Mikesch / Germany / 1997)\r\n2. Au-del de la haine Beyond Hatred (Olivier Meyrou / France / 2005)\r\n3. Sans soleil Sunless (Chris Marker / France / 1982)\r\n4. Goff in der Wste Goff in the Desert (Heinz Emigholz / Germany / 2002)\r\n5. Les ministres de l\'art (Philippe Garrel / France / 1988) \r\n6. Otaku (Jean-Jacques Beineix, Jackie Bastide / France / 1994)\r\n7. Salesman (David Maysles, Albert Maysles, Charlotte Zwerin / USA / 1968)\r\n8. Une sale histoire A Dirty Story (Jean Eustache / France / 1977)\r\n9. Zwischen zwei Kriegen Between Two Wars (Harun Farocki / West Germany / 1977)\r\n10. Le tombeau d\'alexandre The Last Bolshevik (Chris Marker / France / 1992)\r\n\r\nRunners up:\r\n\r\nLa-bas Down There (Chantal Akerman / Belgium, France / 2006)\r\nBalkan baroque (Pierre Coulibeuf / France / 1999)\r\nBabooska (Tizza Covi, Rainer Frimmel / Austria, Italy / 2005)\r\nPripyat (Nikolaus Geyrhalter / Austria / 1999)\r\nOne Way Boogie Woogie (James Benning / USA, Canada / 1977)\r\nParadjanov: A Requiem (Ron Holloway / USA, Germany / 1994)\r\nModels (Ulrich Seidl / Austria / 1999)\r\nLa Soufrire (Werner Herzog / West Germany / 1976)\r\nLa sortie des usines Lumire Leaving the Lumiere Factory (Louis Lumiere / France / 1895)\r\nKoyaanisqatsi (Godfrey Reggio / USA / 1983) \r\nGolden Lemons (Jorg Siepmann / Germany / 2003)\r\n\r\nand I need to see again:\r\nKhaneh siah ast The House is Black (Forugh Farrokhzad / Iran / 1962)\r\n\r\n\r\nBtw, do concert movies count as documentaries? I\'m not really sure, though I would probably count them in. What\'s your opinion.','a5ff3503423087bad07917df1cdf8941',0,'','YXeDbJG3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7436,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168342560,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','As long as they\'re non fiction so no Song Remains the Same','11c9bb1d62217982534d37bfed768637',0,'','DptBR041',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7437,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168342740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','1. The Man With a Movie Camera \r\n2. Sans Soleil\r\n3. Woodstock\r\n4. Hearts and Minds\r\n5. Shoah\r\n6. When We Were Kings\r\n7. The Beatles Anthology\r\n8. Hospital\r\n9. Ken Burns\' Baseball\r\n10. The Celluloid Closet\r\n\r\nDon\'t even suspect that this list is final or in any sort of definitive order. I can hardly call Sans Soleil a documentary, and the same goes for Man With a Movie Camera, but John had them, so I guess so can I.','934d048e9f34c15bacdc3ce2f8d50e12',0,'','wqWM5Dln',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7438,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168348620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','That\'s it, what i say must be right! Anyway, People on Sunday and Weeping Camel are even more dodgy as documentaries. Still, i know some consider Kiarostami\'s Close Up a documentary.','2ec586bcec01565c38c557b4cff2706f',0,'','E9yH3AoP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7439,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168367820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','Yeah, I thought about that and it would top my list, but for me , it was too much \"fiction\".','b0646960860a4b39d09cd2c1ffad4115',0,'','zQGxi3wX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7440,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168467540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','Can\'t list a Top 10 as usual, but a list of some astounding non-fiction films that have pushed the envelope. After a long, exhausting day at work, these are the ones that immediately occured to me. Will keep adding to the list. \r\n\r\nRain - Joris Ivens/Mannus Franken\r\nBerlin: Symphony of a Great City - Walter Ruttmann \r\nMan With a Movie Camera - Dziga Vertov\r\nSans Soleil - Chris Marker\r\nNight and Fog - Alain Resnais\r\nLes Statues Meurrent Aussi - Alain Resnais/Chris Marker\r\nGlass - Bert Haanstra\r\nZoo - Bert Haanstra\r\nNotebook on Clothes and Cities - Wim Wenders\r\nTokyo-Ga - Wim Wenders\r\nThe Gleaners and I - Agnes Varda\r\nDageurreotypes - Agnes Varda\r\nThe Strange Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner - Werner Herzog\r\nFata Morgana - Werner Herzog\r\nDon\'t Look Back - D. A. Pennebaker\r\nBuena Vista Social Club - Wim Wenders\r\nFather, Son and Holy War - Anand Patwardhan\r\nBombay, Our City - Anand Patwardhan\r\nHakob Hovnatanyan - Sergei Parajanov\r\nKiev Frescoes (unfinished film) - Sergei Parajanov\r\nThe Mystery of Picasso - Henri-Georges Clouzot\r\nFrom the City of Lodz - Krzysztof Kieslowski\r\nI Live in Behrampara - Madhushree Dutta\r\nMemories of Fear - Madhushree Dutta\r\nSkin deep - Reena Mohan\r\nGirls Unlimited - Paromita Vohra\r\nCity of Photos - Nishtha Jain\r\nVoices From Baliapal - Vasudha Joshi/Ranjan Palit\r\nCity Beautiful - Rahul Roy\r\nHawa Mahal - Vipin Vijay\r\n\r\nM','821c7c09208afbdfc63cec350847eace',0,'','tM8NXVqe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7441,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168555500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bamboomedia1','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','I havent seen tons of documentaries and I honestly dont know if Ive ever sat down to watch a foreign one. If you guys think there are one or two off your list that are a must see please let me know and I will at least put it in my Netflix que. Here are some documentaries that I can think of that I have seen and liked. The ones I like the best are listed towards the top as the more political ones can be depressing.\r\n\r\nBaraka \r\nMarch of the Penguins\r\nJoseph Campbell and the Power of Myth\r\nThe Living Sea\r\nCoral Reef Adventure\r\nRivers and Tides\r\nBlack Holes: The Other Side of Infinity\r\nThe IMAX Space Collection:\r\nThe Blue Planet\r\nMission to Mir\r\nThe Dream is Alive\r\nHail Columbia\r\nDestiny in Space\r\nCapturing the Friedmans\r\nThe Fog of War\r\nStartup.com\r\nRoger and Me\r\nThe Corporation\r\nOutfoxed','041527dd9efef0ace4ea5072f5d7559b',0,'','r2Rk8SYK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7442,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1168569480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','Well do give Man with a Movie Camera, Sans Soleil and Hearts and Minds a try- not just among my favourites but popular with others here too! The last one is unlikely to be a favourite of people who think the Vietnam war (and similar other modern colonial adventures) a great idea.','4440dc56d11bdae27eedd30580eed09a',0,'','hML0g4Ds',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7443,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169070540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','Hey, these are Top Ten! I don\'t know about the others, but you should see all from my list, as I think they are some of the best films in the history of Cinema. \r\nAbsolutely essential viewing. \r\n\r\nYou have seen a lot of indian stuff that will probably never make it to our shores madhuban. What a pitty.','a22d27913b09dcb6fbbd525186a1f58c',0,'','VDwRZbAT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7444,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169153220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','I do believe that documentary filmmaking in India has made great strides and produced some of the finest films in the last 15-20 years, both in terms of their aesthetic merit and their engagement with issues that concern us all. You need not feel dejected, A, because these films travel the documentary festival circuit quite often or are invited for special screenings. I am sure you will get to see some of them. City of Photos, for instance, has been to Montreal, Toronto, New York, San Fancisco, Chicago and Munich last year. Don\'t miss this film if it plays anywhere near you \r\n\r\nFor those in Chicago or anywhere near it, City of Photos will be screened at Chicago Filmmakers on March 23, 2007 as part of the 3rd I: Traveling Film South Asia Festival. \r\n\r\nM','d15b3c8d3b9bee6b874b94d468cc11e3',0,'','tjXPAVqn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7445,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169162520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','I\'ll keep an eye out for it, any idea what theater will be showing it?','a4062e6db62bb965b60bbff140707ed4',0,'','aBUyJ75t',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7446,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169247540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','Ok, I\'ll also keep an eye out for indian documentaries.\r\nBtw, we will be showing John & Jane (Ashim Ahluwalian / 2005) in March. Have you seen it?','03f0e9d2d11437a3ed20c8ef1daee52f',0,'','ShHsVc5g',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7447,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169292000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','@wpqx\r\n\r\nThe forwarded mail says \'at the Chicago Filmmakers\'. I assumed there is such a venue. Will try to find out more.\r\n\r\n@A\r\n\r\nJohn and Jane is a fantastic film. Glad you guys are showing it','a6282f1ebeb58e40c0e39bed10a2e086',0,'','g6dDnb7c',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7448,1537,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1169685180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 Documentaries?','One of our staff saw it at the Berlinale last year and was very excited when he found out that the film has finally found a german distributor. I\'m looking forward to it, as I had decided to watch another film instead during the Festival which has proven a good decision (though I couldn\'t have known it back then, of course . It will be our only new film in March and April.','e98c0dce96512fb33b153513b8ca84e7',0,'','EcJVs3oq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7449,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124899020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','your Top 100 American films','After wpqx posting on his alternative arrangement of the AFIs infamous Top 100 american films list, we decided to do our own. All films listed are imo mainly american productions, thats why the country of production isnt listed beside each title (even if there were foreign co-producers).\r\nSo heres my five cents worth.\r\n\r\nPS: I judge films always as a whole, so if youre surprised (and Im sure you are), to find some films in the list you think are a bit weird (or total crap), let me assure you, I think they are masterpieces, or else I wouldnt have listed them. I didnt just like certain aspects, while others were bullshit - no, while the films might have some (minor) flaws, they are nevertheless works of art that will imo stand the test of time.\r\nBut of course Im open for discussion. \r\n\r\nNow let the lists begin. \r\n\r\n1. Dead Man (1995 / Jim Jarmusch)\r\n2. 2001 - A Space Odyssey (1968 / Stanley Kubrick)\r\n3. Vertigo (1958 / Alfred Hitchcock)\r\n4. Arizona Dream (1993 / Emir Kusturica)\r\n5. City Lights (1931 / Charles Chaplin)\r\n6. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004 / Michel Gondry)\r\n7. Fingers (1978 / James Toback)\r\n8. Zabriskie Point (1970 / Michelangelo Antonioni)\r\n9. Leaving Las Vegas (1995 / Mike Figgis) \r\n10. The Thin Red Line (1998 / Terrence Malick)\r\n11. Stranger than Paradise (1983 / Jim Jarmusch)\r\n12. Bonnie and Clyde (1967 / Arthur Penn)\r\n13. Being John Malkovich (1999 / Spike Jonze) \r\n14. Groundhog Day (1993 / Harold Ramis) \r\n15. Mad Dog and Glory (1993 / John McNaughton) \r\n16. Twelve Monkeys (1995 / Terry Gilliam) \r\n17. The Royal Tenenbaums (2001 / Wes Anderson) \r\n18. Notorious (1946 / Alfred Hitchcock) \r\n19. The Birds (1963 / Alfred Hitchcock)\r\n20. Fearless (1993 / Peter Weir) \r\n21. Bringing up Baby (1938 / Howard Hawks)\r\n22. The Gold Rush (1925 / Charles Chaplin ) \r\n23. The Unbearable Lightness of Being (1988 / Philip Kaufman)\r\n24. The Wind (1928 / Victor Sjstrm) \r\n25. Shoulder Arms (1918 / Charles Chaplin)\r\n26. Permanent Vacation (1980 / Jim Jarmusch) \r\n27. Monsieur Verdoux (1947 / Charles Chaplin) \r\n28. Back to the Future Part II (1989 / Robert Zemeckis)\r\n29. City of Angels (1998 / Brad Silberling) \r\n30. Flesh and Bone (1993 / Steve Kloves) \r\n31. Paris Trout (1991 / Stephen Gyllenhaal) \r\n32. Glengarry Glen Ross (1992 / James Foley) \r\n33. Sweet and Lowdown (1999 / Woody Allen) \r\n34. Batman Returns (1992 / Tim Burton)\r\n35. The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993 / Henry Selick) \r\n36. The Shawshank Redemption (1994 / Frank Darabont) \r\n37. The Big Lebowski (1998 / Joel & Ethan Coen) \r\n38. Punch-Drunk Love (2002 / Paul Thomas Anderson)\r\n39. Paths of Glory (1956 / Stanley Kubrick)\r\n40. King Kong (1933 / Ernest B. Schoedsack, Merian C. Cooper)\r\n41. The Princess Bride (1987 / Rob Reiner)\r\n42. Dishonored (1931 / Josef von Sternberg)\r\n43. The Big Sleep (1946 / Howard Hawks)\r\n44. A Perfect World (1993 / Clint Eastwood) \r\n45. Adaptation. (2002 / Spike Jonze)\r\n46. Gerry (2002 / Gus Van Sant) \r\n47. Intolerance: Love\'s Struggle Through the Ages (1916 / David Wark Griffith) \r\n48. The Elephant Man (1980 / David Lynch) \r\n49. Chinatown (1974 / Roman Polanski)\r\n50. Psycho (1960 / Alfred Hitchcock) \r\n51. Cast Away (2000 / Robert Zemeckis)\r\n52. Monster\'s Ball (2001 / Marc Forster)\r\n53. 25th Hour (2002 / Spike Lee)\r\n54. The Wizard of Oz (1939 / Victor Fleming)\r\n55. Now, Voyager (1942 / Irving Rapper)\r\n56. Casablanca (1942 / Michael Curtiz)\r\n57. Forrest Gump (1994 / Robert Zemeckis) \r\n58. Maverick (1994 / Richard Donner) \r\n59. Steamboat Bill, Jr. (1928 / Buster Keaton, Charles Reisner)\r\n60. Lost Highway (1997 / David Lynch)\r\n61. Buffalo \'66 (1998 / Vincent Gallo) \r\n62. JFK (1991 / Oliver Stone) \r\n63. American Beauty (1999 / Sam Mendes) \r\n64. Ben-Hur (1959 / William Wyler)\r\n65. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 / ?)\r\n66. Rope (1948 / Alfred Hitchcock)\r\n67. Design for Living (1933 / Ernst Lubitsch) \r\n68. Magnolia (1999 / Paul Thomas Anderson) \r\n69. Five Easy Pieces (1970 / Bob Rafelson)\r\n70. Gattaca (1997 / Mike Niccol) \r\n71. Bringing Out the Dead (1999 / Martin Scorsese) \r\n72. Don Juan DeMarco (1995 / Jeremy Leven)\r\n73. The Accidental Tourist (1988 / Lawrence Kasdan)\r\n74. Judgement at Nuremberg (1962 / Stanley Kramer)\r\n75. Rebel Without a Cause (1955 / Nicholas Ray) \r\n76. Eyes Wide Shut (1999 / Stanley Kubrick) \r\n77. Sunset Blvd. (1950 / Billy Wilder) \r\n78. Pi (1998 / Darren Aronofsky) \r\n79. Before Night Falls (2000 / Julian Schnabel)\r\n80. Catch Me If You Can (2002 / Steven Spielberg) \r\n81. The Hours (2002 / Stephen Daldry) \r\n82. 21 Grams (2003 / Alejandro Gonzlez Irritu)\r\n83. Dances with Wolves (1990 / Kevin Costner) \r\n84. Before Sunset (2004 / Richard Linklater)\r\n85. I Married a Strange Person! (1997 / Bill Plympton) \r\n86. Smoke (1995 / Wayne Wang, Paul Auster) \r\n87. Pulp Fiction (1994 / Quentin Tarantino) \r\n88. Greed (1924 / Erich von Stroheim)\r\n89. The Night of the Hunter (1955 / Charles Laughton) \r\n90. East of Eden (1955 / Elia Kazan)\r\n91. Five Graves to Cairo (1943 / Billy Wilder)\r\n92. Changing Lanes (2002 / Roger Michell)\r\n93. Apocalypse Now (1979 / Francis Ford Coppola)\r\n94. Dark City (1998 / Alex Proyas) \r\n95. King of the Hill (1993 / Steven Soderbergh) \r\n96. Sign \'o\' the Times (1987 / Prince, Albert Magnoli)\r\n97. Blue Velvet (1986 / David Lynch)\r\n98. Heat (1995 / Michael Mann)\r\n99. The Kid (1921 / Charles Chaplin)\r\n100. Magnificent Obsession (1954 / Douglas Sirk)\r\n\r\nKicked out The Pallbearer at 97. and put in Frankenstein.\r\nKicked out Philadelphia Story at 100. and put in Magnificent Obsession.\r\nKicked out Frankenstein at 97. and put in Blue Velvet from 10. (Quita a fall, I know, but I hadn\'t seen it for over 4 years, and tastes change :-)) Put \"The Thin Red Line\" at 10. instead, after having seen it for the 4th time. A phenomenal film, it\'s in my personal overall Top 100 now.\r\nOk, just realised I had it already on 53., but oh lucky me, I discovered that I had forgotten to put Spike Lee\'s \"25th Hour\" on the list. So there it is now.','a31c2a3fbf99d6a25a83e434e010608b',0,'','KpurAZ4o',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7450,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124938560,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: your Top 100 American films','This is a damn good list. I can\'t come up too many names I strongly disagree with.\r\n\r\nYou guys are good at making lists. I\'m not.','24a37f1c28a4fe677bd51128e6df0fa3',0,'','WSn4dvD7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7451,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124988240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: your Top 100 American films','Hey, hey, thats not the spirit! I wanna see yours! \r\nI think we all come from an american \"background\" (film-wise speaking), so this shouldn`t be too difficult (?)...','b80598dca967df1b716090c7c8e68e77',0,'','qve86Bpk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7452,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125025260,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: your Top 100 American films','Well I did it, as soon as I post it I\'ll realize something major that I forgot. I did choose to leave out A Clockwork Orange for two reasons (it was a British film, and the other was that I just wanted to fit more movies). Not entirely pleased with this list, but well it\'s the best I can do for now.\r\n\r\n1. Citizen Kane (1941 Orson Welles)\r\n2. The Godfather and Godfather Part 2 (1972, 1974 Francis Ford Coppola)\r\n3. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930 Lewis Milestone)\r\n4. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968 Stanley Kubrick)\r\n5. Lawrence of Arabia (1962 David Lean)\r\n6. Star Wars (1977 George Lucas)\r\n7. Apocalypse Now (1979 Francis Ford Coppola)\r\n8. Pulp Fiction (1994 Quentin Tarantino)\r\n9. Singin in the Rain (1952 Stanley Donen and Gene Kelly)\r\n10. Intolerance (1916 D. W. Griffith)\r\n\r\n11. Ordinary People (1980 Robert Redford)\r\n12. Goodfellas (1990 Martin Scorsese)\r\n13. Schindlers List (1993 Steven Spielberg)\r\n14. Psycho (1960 Alfred Hitchcock)\r\n15. The Maltese Falcon (1941 John Huston)\r\n16. Annie Hall (1977 Woody Allen)\r\n17. The Manchurian Candidate (1962 John Frankenheimer)\r\n18. The Searchers (1956 John Ford)\r\n19. Sunrise (1927 F. W. Murnau)\r\n20. All That Jazz (1979 Bob Fosse)\r\n\r\n21. Mulholland Drive (2001 David Lynch)\r\n22. Dances With Wolves (1990 Kevin Costner)\r\n23. On the Waterfront (1954 Elia Kazan)\r\n24. America, America (1963 Elia Kazan)\r\n25. Raging Bull (1980 Martin Scorsese)\r\n26. Days of Wine and Roses (1962 Blake Edwards)\r\n27. Casablanca (1942 Michael Curtiz)\r\n28. Magnolia (1999 Paul Thomas Anderson)\r\n29. Ben-Hur (1959 William Wyler)\r\n30. Steamboat Bill Jr. (1928 Buster Keaton)\r\n\r\n31. Gone With the Wind (1939 Victor Fleming, George Cukor, Sam Wood)\r\n32. Mean Streets (1973 Martin Scorsese)\r\n33. The Best Years of Our Lives (1946 William Wyler)\r\n34. City Lights (1931 Charles Chaplin)\r\n35. The Shining (1980 Stanley Kubrick)\r\n36. Airplane (1980 Jim Abrahams, David Zucker, Jerry Zucker)\r\n37. Duck Soup (1933 Leo McCarey)\r\n38. They Live By Night (1949 Nicholas Ray)\r\n39. To Have and Have Not (1944 Howard Hawks)\r\n40. Some Like it Hot (1959 Billy Wilder)\r\n\r\n41. Whos Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966 Mike Nichols)\r\n42. Malcolm X (1992 Spike Lee)\r\n43. Natural Born Killers (1994 Oliver Stone)\r\n44. Fight Club (1999 David Fincher)\r\n45. White Heat (1949 Raoul Walsh)\r\n46. Meet John Doe (1941 Frank Capra)\r\n47. Before Sunrise (1995 Richard Linklater)\r\n48. East of Eden (1955 Elia Kazan)\r\n49. Top Hat (1935 Mark Sandrich)\r\n50. Kiss Me Deadly (1955 Robert Aldrich)\r\n\r\n51. Chinatown (1974 Roman Polanski)\r\n52. LA Confidential (1997 Curtis Hansen)\r\n53. Witness for the Prosecution (1957 Billy Wilder)\r\n54. It Happened One Night (1934 Frank Capra)\r\n55. The Deer Hunter (1978 Michael Cimino)\r\n56. Interiors (1978 Woody Allen)\r\n57. Eraserhead (1977 David Lynch)\r\n58. 42nd Street (1933 Lloyd Bacon)\r\n59. The Graduate (1967 Mike Nichols)\r\n60. Last Temptation of Christ (1988 Martin Scorsese)\r\n\r\n61. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956 Don Spiegel)\r\n62. Saving Private Ryan (1998 Steven Spielberg)\r\n63. Kill Bill (2003, 2004 - Quentin Tarantino)\r\n64. Pink Floyds The Wall (1982 Alan Parker)\r\n65. Paths of Glory (1957 Stanley Kubrick)\r\n66. Ace in the Hole/The Big Carnival (1951 Billy Wilder)\r\n67. Requiem for a Dream (2000 Darren Aronofsky)\r\n68. Toy Story and Toy Story 2 (1995, 1999 - John Lasseter)\r\n69. The Wild Bunch (1969 Sam Peckinpah)\r\n70. Nashville (1975 Robert Altman)\r\n\r\n71. The Incredibles (2004 Brad Bird)\r\n72. Rocky (1976 John G. Avilsden)\r\n73. Taxi Driver (1976 Martin Scorsese)\r\n74. Bride of Frankenstein (1935 James Whale)\r\n75. Point Blank (1967 John Boorman)\r\n76. The Philadelphia Story (1940 George Cukor)\r\n77. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939 Frank Capra)\r\n78. Planet of the Apes (1968 Franklin J. Schaffner)\r\n79. Once Upon a Time in America (1984 Sergio Leone)\r\n80. Raising Arizona (1987 Joel and Ethan Coen)\r\n\r\n81. Platoon (1986 Oliver Stone)\r\n82. Sin City (2005 Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller, Quentin Tarantino)\r\n83. The Princess Bride (1987 Rob Reiner)\r\n84. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004 Michel Gondry)\r\n85. Salvador (1986 Oliver Stone)\r\n86. Reservoir Dogs (1992 Quentin Tarantino)\r\n87. Brazil (1985 Terry Gilliam)\r\n88. Touch of Evil (1958 Orson Welles)\r\n89. Who Framed Roger Rabbit? (1988 Robert Zemeckis)\r\n90. Do the Right Thing (1989 Spike Lee)\r\n\r\n91. Rebecca (1940 Alfred Hitchcock)\r\n92. Unforgiven (1992 Clint Eastwood)\r\n93. I am a Fugitive From a Chain Gang (1932 Mervyn LeRoy)\r\n94. Bringing Up Baby (1938 Howard Hawks)\r\n95. Dumbo (1941 Wilfred Jackson and company)\r\n96. Design For Living (1933 Ernst Lubitsch)\r\n97. The Midnight Cowboy (1969 John Schlessinger)\r\n98. Blade Runner (1982 Ridley Scott)\r\n99. Unfaithfully Yours (1948 Preston Sturges)\r\n100. From Here to Eternity (1953 Fred Zinnemann)','7f738560fb37c674bd5b17d9233648a9',0,'','HrW6sMvB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7453,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125064380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: your Top 100 American films','Haven`t seen 35 films from your list. But it`s a nice one. Almost all classics as far as I know.\r\nBtw. I also counted The Shining as a UK production. If Kubrick had stayed in the states I probably would have three more of his films listed. I know I`m biased.','4392eb4455279e4cf07c8ecd75f842da',0,'','kGZYWdbn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7454,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125080160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: your Top 100 American films','Well you had 22 on yours that I haven\'t seen (and I thought I knew everything about American movies), you do realize that you have some very odd favorites, but well I\'m sure I\'ve pointed that out before. I checked on Clockwork and Shining, and The Shining was listed as a US and UK coproduction, wheras Clockwork was strictly British.\r\n\r\nYou know what this means though, time for a top 100 foreign films list (wonder if we could get British films in there, seeing how they couldn\'t make this ranking).\r\n\r\nThat\'s another day however.','75cfcdc91350f7afa9abd811a4f07a00',0,'','NA6df9WT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7455,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125157020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: your Top 100 American films','Yeah, i actually wondered about a UK Top 100, but then I realised, that the only country I could do a satisfying Top 100 on was The US, and maybe France (would have to check), but with the others, I just can`t come up with 100 titles that I think would deserve such a status.\r\nTop 100 Foreign films should be OK. I think thAT would represent our member`s tastes quite well.\r\nBut you`re right, that`s another day.','a5ecbba992861001469998632a92a440',0,'','o7dc0qRh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7456,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125157200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: your Top 100 American films','I got a strange feeling that there\'d be more than 22 titles I haven\'t seen on a list like that, especially if arsaib actually did one, I\'ve never heard of half the films he watches.','581bf1e61d6d6ef02e6267f6ff6ad3de',0,'','w5WV4eK6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7457,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125295140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mcdan','Re: your Top 100 American films','Planning to post soon. I was amazed that A and wpqx selected so many of my same films (and now I want to rent some more that I did not see - thank you!) - but then I now am thinking of readjusting my list. Some films I was concerned about dual citizenship for producers/directors so forgive me if I have a few \"off.\"\r\n\r\nI envy that so many on the forum have kept movie journals - I just grabbed a piece of paper and started listing. So am rethinking tonight and hope to add my humble list tomorrow.\r\n\r\nI am new to the forum, Sara, another poster, told me about this - and I have been focus on the #11 film quiz by Mik. There again, have rented more movies - only to find I still cannot get the quiz correct - but what a great way to see films I now treasure.\r\n\r\nMany thanks,\r\n\r\nmcdan','edc41d66b9fd1bf9939ea4ec5df286e5',0,'','gejKyW1a',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7458,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125358260,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: your Top 100 American films','Welcome aboard, us moderators are getting bored talking to ourselves.','3cff6ffbf744d4d905526142c2f8342d',0,'','gci6Q3sk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7459,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125431460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: your Top 100 American films','A warm welcome, from me too. Every new person is much needed in this forum, and with so few of us your posts will be very relevant. \r\nAnd thanks to Sara, of course, for providing a new member - though there won`t be any advertising gift.','139dc4abc6a0adb9388d25fbbf15fd8c',0,'','PdCZprN3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7460,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125616500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mcdan','Re: your Top 100 American films','\r\n\r\nFirst of all, thanks for the welcome! This is a great forum. \r\n\r\nI apologize for not following the format but when I began trying to date each movie using movie guides - well I began changing my mind as I saw more and more movies I wanted to add. So I stuck with the first list and if I need to go back and add dates/directors I will - looks like everyone will know these movies anyway. I only added dates to clarify remakes.\r\n\r\nI just went with my personal favorites. Not some of the greats (City Lights, 2001, Citizen Kane.)\r\n\r\nThere is no order - just the list as it came to mind \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n1.    Pulp Fiction\r\n2.    Apocalypse Now (ReDux)\r\n3.    The Godfather 1 and 2\r\n4.    A Touch of Evil \r\n5.    American Splendor\r\n6.    The Conversation \r\n7.    Monsieur Verdoux \r\n8.    Reservior Dogs\r\n9.    Requiem for a Dream\r\n10.    Days of Wine and Roses\r\n11.    Annie Hall \r\n12.    Magnolia \r\n13.    Georgia \r\n14.    To Kill a Mockingbird\r\n15.    Pi\r\n16.    The Right Stuff\r\n17.    Runaway Train\r\n18.    Chinatown\r\n19.    Glengarry Glen Ross\r\n20.    Bringing Up Baby\r\n21.    The Philadelphia Story\r\n22.    Gone With the Wind\r\n23.    Ordinary People\r\n24.    American Psycho\r\n25.    Witness for the Prosecution \r\n26.    Five Easy Pieces \r\n27.    Whos Afraid of Virginia Woolf \r\n28.    Fight Club \r\n29.    Kill Bill 1& 2\r\n30.    It Happened One Night\r\n31.    Meet John Doe\r\n32.    Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs\r\n33.    Bambi\r\n34.    Midnight Cowboy\r\n35.    Leaving Los Vegas\r\n36.    The Wizard of Oz\r\n37.    Goodfellas\r\n38.    Rebecca\r\n39.    Some Like it Hot \r\n40.    Tom Sawyer- 1932\r\n41.    Paris, Texas\r\n42.    T2\r\n43.    Fargo\r\n44.    E.T.\r\n45.    Point Blank\r\n46.    The Spiral Staircase\r\n47.    Dog Day Afternoon\r\n48.    The Apartment\r\n49.    The Stunt Man\r\n50.    LOTR trilogy\r\n51.    The Thin Man\r\n52.    Paths of Glory\r\n53.    The Clock\r\n54.    Cool Hand Luke\r\n55.    Sergeant York\r\n56.    The Trip to Bountiful\r\n57.    The Postman Always Rings Twice 1946\r\n58.    Tootsie\r\n59.    Saturday Night Fever\r\n60.    The Beguiled\r\n61.    Rear Window\r\n62.    Sling Blade\r\n63.    Notorious\r\n64.    Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind\r\n65.    Lawrence of Arabia\r\n66.    Night of the Hunter\r\n67.    Big\r\n68.    The Manchurian Candidate\r\n69.    Dark City\r\n70.    Adaption\r\n71.    Freaks\r\n72.    A Woman Under the Influence\r\n73.    Memento\r\n74.    Mulholland Drive\r\n75.    The Three Faces of Eve\r\n76.    Back to the Future \r\n77.    Sex, Lies, and Videotapes\r\n78.    Mr. Smith Goes to Washington\r\n79.    Fat City\r\n80.    On the Waterfront\r\n81.    Strangers on a Train\r\n82.    All About Eve\r\n83.    Unforgiven\r\n84.    21 Grams\r\n85.    The House of Mirth (UK, USA and France?)\r\n86.    Election\r\n87.    Heathers\r\n88.    High Art\r\n89.    Ulees Gold\r\n90.    Richard III - 1995 UK/USA\r\n91.    Mean Streets\r\n92. Schindler\'s List\r\n93. The Searchers\r\n94. Master and Commander\r\n95. Quiz Show\r\n96. Dark Victory\r\n97. Psycho\r\n98. Raging Bull\r\n99. Casablanca\r\n\r\nand just for fun...\r\n\r\n100. Used Cars','6122af513d44e535ad737d5aa67e8328',0,'','iYfgoWQH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7461,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125639360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: your Top 100 American films','I was honestly a little pissed at myself for leaving out T2, as well as Die Hard. I didn\'t adhere to your structure of picking favorites. I let my elitist nonsense get the best of me. Still good enough list, but I\'ll have to say no Kane is a crime, it really is the greatest movie ever. \r\n\r\nI wish there was an Apocalypse Now hybrid. I liked the smaller sequences thrown in Redux, but that whole French Colony sequence was horrible and through the movie way off, I\'m glad it was originally cut.','560fee019a593c18ba3618e83332866f',0,'','28qtFVTE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7462,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125648240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mcdan','Re: your Top 100 American films','For wpqx- You are of course right about Citizen Kane - but I think I have seen it so many times and studied it that I just thought - put it above the list. \r\n\r\nBut thanks for admitting to T2 - I was a little embarrassed to put that on the list but wanted to be honest. (Along with several others...)\r\n\r\nI noticed I made the mistake of Paris, Texas. Not US. Sorry. \r\n\r\nThanks to what you call your \"elitist nonsense\" I have a huge list of great films to rent on Netflix - many thanks for opening my eyes to new films. I have 5 new films coming tomorrow. A and your lists have really inspired me.\r\n\r\nI just finished- not on this list - but the Foreign list - The Mirror, Apu Tri., and Diary of a Young Priest. I am speechless.\r\n\r\nI agree about Ap. Now Redux - but I must say my husband is so moved by the French Colony scene that I wonder what others think. (I know critics hated it for the most part.) I just like the small turns that the film took and could cut the French Colony completely- thought it ruined the film - but because of the small changes I chose the Redux over the original. \r\n\r\nWe do need the hybrid.','d4695d9e7cc712b270ebf97f4c304030',0,'','WngNrhbY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7463,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125690240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: your Top 100 American films','I am preparing now to submit my top 100 US films. These are not the greatest films. They are films I really enjoyed and appreciated.\r\n\r\nI purposely have not looked at the other members lists here as I am sure it would influence me - and make me change a few of mine. \r\n\r\nBefore I start typing, I wonder how you all have done your lists - that is, do you type it in Word and save and paste here? Or do you just plunge in and type it here.\r\n\r\nSara','c29fa1e00be7347086cc9fb00342382a',0,'','TYga9lrw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7464,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125693000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: your Top 100 American films','I just plunge in, but I also use several websites for this','5e147ddde2f9c6cf38ed75d3d1646a62',0,'','vUzD8YTE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7465,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125694260,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: your Top 100 American films','Here goes. These are not ranked. I just put them down as I thought of them. (Also used Word so I hope it will \"paste\" here all right) - Sara\r\n\r\nThe Wizard of Oz - 39\r\nIts a Wonderful Life - 46\r\nSome Like it Hot - 59\r\nPsycho - 60\r\nMr. Smith Goes to Washington 39\r\nDouble Indemnity 41\r\nRear Window 54\r\nBirth of a Nation 15\r\nStreetcar Named Desire - 51\r\nSnow White and the Seven Dwarfs 37\r\nKramer Vs Kramer 79\r\nMarty 55\r\nNashville 75\r\nThe Sound of Music 65\r\nFantasia 40\r\nTootsie - 82\r\nEast of Eden 55\r\nRebel Without a Cause 55\r\nCitizen Kane 41\r\nSchindlers List 93\r\nAll About Eve 50\r\nCasablanca 42\r\nAmadeus 84\r\nThe Godfather 1 & 2 72 & 74\r\nGone With the Wind 39\r\nStar Wars 77\r\nOne Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest 75\r\nET 82\r\nHigh Noon 52\r\nMidnight Cowboy 69\r\nThe Apartment 60\r\nTaxi Driver 76\r\nUnforgiven 82\r\nSilence of the Lambs 91\r\nLili 53\r\nRaging Bull 80\r\nThe Apostle 97\r\nApocalypse Now - 79\r\nWall Street - 87\r\nA River Runs Through It 92\r\nGrapes of Wrath 40\r\nMagnolia 2000\r\nBeing There 79\r\nCat on a Hot Tin Roof 58\r\nAs Good as it Gets 97\r\nDead Man Walking 95\r\nManhattan 79\r\nRequiem for a Dream 2000\r\nFargo 96\r\nRain Man 88\r\nWitness 85\r\nSophies Choice 82\r\nOn Golden Pond 81\r\nOrdinary People 80\r\nAll the Presidents Men 76\r\nThe Conversation 74\r\nThe Last Picture Show 71\r\nButch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 69\r\nOliver 68\r\nCool Hand Luke 67\r\nWhos Afraid of Virginia Wolfe? 66\r\nWhat Ever Happened to Baby Jane 62\r\nTo Kill a Mockingbird 62\r\nThe Manchurian Candidate 62\r\n12 Angry Men 57\r\nThe Bridge of the River Kwai 57\r\nThe Night of the Hunter 55\r\nThe Caine Mutiny 54\r\nStrangers on a Train 51\r\nSunset Boulevard 50\r\nThe Third Man 49\r\nYankee Doodle Dandy 42\r\nSergeant York 41\r\nHow Green Was My Valley 41\r\nDavid Copperfield 35\r\nBride of Frankenstein 35\r\nPhantom of the Opera 25\r\nThree Faces of Eve - \'57\r\nRebecca 40\r\nLady for a Day 33\r\nMember of the Wedding 53\r\nShane 53\r\nDont Look Now 73\r\nDressed to Kill 80\r\nThe Snake Pit 48\r\nAnatomy of a Murder 59\r\nMeet Me in St. Louis 44\r\nSpellbound 45\r\nI Confess 53\r\nThe Great Escape 63\r\nMary Poppins 64\r\nYoung Frankenstein 74\r\nThe Verdict 82\r\nThe Long Hot Summer 58\r\nMulholland Drive 2001\r\nThe Shining 80\r\nThe Elephant Man 80\r\nThe Train 64\r\nSeven 96\r\nA Simple Plan 98','e7632c65f421c5a87b6772002716ac89',0,'','odmxlRyJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7466,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125695520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: your Top 100 American films','Ahhhhkkkk. I just looked at mcdan\'s list. How could I have omitted the Trip to Bountiful which is almost my favorite movie - and the LOTR trilogy? And the Stunt Man? \r\n\r\nAnother I thought of that is not great but it sure was fun for me: \"Murder By Death.\" (You noticed I had \"Young Frankenstein\" on my list. It is not \"great\" but I loved it.)\r\n\r\nAnd yes, mcdan, I loved \"Used Cars,\" too. So much fun.\r\n\r\nSara','453209c055c8cfaae52a6c4540edb342',0,'','zsKkdxaf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7467,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125724860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: your Top 100 American films','Young Frankenstein is great.\r\n\r\nYou can add one film, because you listed Birth of a Nation twice.','c942874248ecefe5804566a13ee4fce2',0,'','bWYHzsuN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7468,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125762780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: your Top 100 American films','I\'m glad you caught that. Now I get to add one more. What a dilemma. I\'m torn between The Trip to Bountiful (with such a beautiful performance by Geraldine Page) and The Three Faces of Eve with Joanne Woodward.\r\n\r\nI\'ll go with The Three Faces of Eve - \'57\r\n\r\nSince I pasted my list from Word, I\'m not sure I can edit it. (I had a typo and it would not let me change it from the forum.)\r\n\r\nShall I just write my 100th in at the end?\r\n\r\nSara','8cd98636e8669e6b1d2b986fb9b11556',0,'','23aAQdEW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7469,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125775320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: your Top 100 American films','I\'m going to have a bash at this but it\'ll probably end up as 100 of my favourites rather than a definite top 100, I\'m not usually into making lists and I\'m bound to miss something out.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','ae46f1434cff4bdf88cc8c0aeb0845c8',0,'','24HSiZVl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7470,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125776280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: your Top 100 American films','Go ahead, trevor. I want to see which are your top 100. (And I hope some of them are your favorites along with the \"top\" films.) \r\n\r\nSara','45f0bb341b52f4c15f474befc78eeb1e',0,'','8cBGHM5V',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7471,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125777180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: your Top 100 American films','My god like powers fixed your post.','9c8ff2aa6cc3dd8910c32c4ba796a70a',0,'','BkKAtCV2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7472,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125777840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: your Top 100 American films','Heh, heh, what interesting things a moderater can do  \r\nYeah, list season is Up Trev!','11642ce811c75a9a20cfd172fb3d0409',0,'','ynH8iEPJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7473,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125781260,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: your Top 100 American films','Wow,wpqx. \r\n\r\nHow did you take out the extra \"Birth of a Nation\" and put in \"The Three Faces of Eve?\" \r\n\r\nThank you!\r\n\r\nSara (bowing in awe to his holiness...)','99f353d40917e872585c09c8b1fcd225',0,'','VBATWdu6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7474,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125865860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: your Top 100 American films','Right, this list is a rush job and to be honest I\'m sure there would be a few changes if I took more time. Mostly standard stuff, no real surprises but here it is.\r\n\r\n\r\n1. 12 Angry Men\r\n2. 12 Monkeys\r\n3. 2001: A Space Odyssey\r\n4. A Bugs life\r\n5. Adventures of Robin Hood, The\r\n6. Alien\r\n7. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) \r\n8. Amadeus\r\n9. American Beauty\r\n10. Arsenic and Old Lace\r\n11. Bad Day at Black Rock (1955)\r\n12. Bambi\r\n13. Before Sunrise/Sunset\r\n14. Being John Malkovich\r\n15. Ben-Hur\r\n16. Birds, The\r\n17. Blade Runner \r\n18. Casablanca \r\n19. Citizen Kane\r\n20. Close Encounters of the Third Kind\r\n21. Dead Poets Society\r\n22. Die Hard\r\n23. Donnie Darko\r\n24. Dr Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb\r\n25. Duel\r\n26. Dumbo\r\n27. E.T.\r\n28. Ed Wood\r\n29. Eraserhead\r\n30. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind\r\n31. Evil Dead\r\n32. Excorcist, The \r\n33. Fantasia \r\n34. Finding Nemo\r\n35. Frankenstein (1931)\r\n36. Full Metal Jacket\r\n37. Godfather, The\r\n38. Gold Rush, The\r\n39. Good Will Hunting\r\n40. Groundhog Day \r\n41. High Noon\r\n42. Ice Storm, The\r\n43. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade\r\n44. Invasion of the Body Snatchers\r\n45. Iron Giant, The\r\n46. It\'s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World \r\n47. It\'s a Wonderful Life \r\n48. Jackie Brown\r\n49. Jason and the Argonauts\r\n50. Jaws\r\n51. Jurassic Park\r\n52. Kill Bill \r\n53. King Kong \r\n54. Lawrence of Arabia\r\n55. Leon\r\n56. Lord of the Rings Trilogy\r\n57. Lost in Translation\r\n58. Magnolia \r\n59. Maltese Falcon, The\r\n60. Mars Attacks\r\n61. Master and Commander\r\n62. Matrix, The\r\n63. Memento\r\n64. Mosquito Coast, The\r\n65. Moulin Rouge!\r\n66. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington\r\n67. Naked Gun, The \r\n68. Nightmare Before Christmas, The \r\n69. North by Northwest \r\n70. One Flew Over the Cuckoo\'s Nest \r\n71. Paths of Glory\r\n72. Pi \r\n73. Poltergiest\r\n74. Prophecy, The (1995)\r\n75. Psycho \r\n76. Pulp Fiction \r\n77. Raiders of the Lost Ark\r\n78. Requiem for a Dream \r\n79. Roman Holiday\r\n80. Ronin\r\n81. Se7en\r\n82. Shawshank Redemption, The\r\n83. Shining, The\r\n84. Silence of the Lambs\r\n85. Singin\' in the Rain \r\n86. Sky Captain\r\n87. Snow Whiteand the Seven Dwarfs\r\n88. Some Like it Hot\r\n89. Star Wars trilogy\r\n90. Terminator\r\n91. Thing, The (1982)\r\n92. Toy Story and Toy Story 2 \r\n93. Truman Show, The\r\n94. Unbearable Lightness of Being, The \r\n95. Unbreakable\r\n96. Untouchables, The \r\n97. Usual Suspects, The\r\n98. Vertigo\r\n99. What about Bob?\r\n100. Wizard of Oz, The\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','1d424b0d7fc5b58615a37d3a49ed5a44',0,'','3eTGrCY6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7475,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125868740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: your Top 100 American films','Interesting choice with the Carpenter Thing. For some reason I was considering LOTR to be foreign, so I may put it on that list.','e4a96541f11be44701ee4459b2a9fa1d',0,'','cfpbGS5r',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7476,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125870720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: your Top 100 American films','I nearly listed both versions of The Thing because they are so different yet both are fine films. LOTR, I listed it here because most of the finance came from the US.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','c75f40a78a8c5ba70413c97a20766cb2',0,'','QDWXUS1f',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7477,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125874920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: your Top 100 American films','trevor,\r\n\r\nWhat a great list. I did not put LOTR on my list because I was thinking it was a New Zealand film.\r\n\r\nThe Nightmare Before Christmas! Yes. On my revised list to come.\r\n\r\nAnd of course, Arsenic and Old Lace. I\'m glad you loved that. Such a fun movie with \"Teddy Roosevelt\" going down into the basement - and those two well-meaning little old ladies. What a good film. How could I have forgotten it??? \r\n\r\nSara','8a17f6d7e07eb6c83e1ca901aafe2aa9',0,'','4la2DALb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7478,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125901080,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: your Top 100 American films','Regarding Arsenic and Old Lace, I enjoyed the film and found it fun, but after awhile it started to wear on my nerves. Cary Grant seemed to maintain the same befuddled look on his face throughout the film and it eventually got old. Still a fan of Raymond Massey, and the film was certainly good, but Capra has a lot better, as the three films on my list would indicate.','7830f3e48fb0b9b09d9eadf08a5d7dee',0,'','SuJ7xTez',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7479,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1167732360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: your Top 100 American films','How about a new try. A lot of shifts and changes after some new discoveries and some rewatches. But Ill give it a bit more thought though.\r\n\r\nThe films that are definitely out of my US Top 100 as of now are (listed in descending order from the previous position on my list):\r\n\r\n32. Glengarry Glen Ross (1992 / James Foley) \r\n35. The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993 / Henry Selick) \r\n41. The Princess Bride (1987 / Rob Reiner)\r\n43. The Big Sleep (1946 / Howard Hawks)\r\n46. Gerry (2002 / Gus Van Sant) \r\n59. Steamboat Bill, Jr. (1928 / Buster Keaton, Charles Reisner)\r\n62. JFK (1991 / Oliver Stone) \r\n63. American Beauty (1999 / Sam Mendes)','e708cadb3e2cb117ed3a65f4eda1113c',0,'','lyV8B1aC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7480,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1167735060,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: your Top 100 American films','Little upset to see Steamboat Bill Jr. go as everyone is quite aware of my fondness for Keaton and in particular that film.','a7d112599e2e04109252c7f29e75b395',0,'','R3H8lD65',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7481,1538,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1167736680,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: your Top 100 American films','Well, I was obviously very fond of it in the past. But add a couple of rewatches...\r\nBut maybe it will enter the list again in a couple of years (after a couple of further rewatches)','d78c866ec38701a3638e21da5639b7cd',0,'','wF1DGyq0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7482,1539,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1167338220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Top Ten of the 60s','Simply the ten best films you have seen from this decade.\r\nBut what a great time for movies this was! :eek\r\nAlmost impossible to list only ten films, when most of the following ten would make it onto the list in any other decade. Still, one has to make a choice.\r\nThe preferential order was extremely difficult to establish, and might change with every viewing of any of these films.\r\n\r\n1. Deus E o Diabo na Terra do Sol Black God, White Devil (Glauber Rocha / Brazil / 1964) \r\n2. Goto, l\'le d\'amour Goto, Island of Love (Walerian Borowczyck / France / 1968) \r\n3. Le Mpris Contempt (Jean-Luc Godard / France / 1963) \r\n4. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick / USA, UK / 1968) \r\n5. Andrei Rublyov Andrei Rublev (Andrei Tarkovski / Soviet Union / 1966)\r\n6. Hakop Hovnatanyan and Sayat Nova The Color of Pomgranates (Sergej Paradjanov / Soviet Union / 1965 and 1968) \r\n7. Dai-bosatsu toge The Sword of Doom (Kihachi Okamoto / Japan / 1965)\r\n8. La Jete The Pier (Chris Marker / France / 1962) \r\n9. Clo de 5 7 Cleo from 5 to 7 (Agns Varda / France, Italy / 1961) \r\n10. Suna no onna Woman in the Dunes (Hiroshi Teshigahara / Japan / 1964)','5e27e7c41b6f3146bcc011c8e783fec2',0,'','mg0YviyL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7483,1539,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1167348720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten of the 60s','Agreed in terms of how good this decade was overall.\r\n\r\n1. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick / UK/US / 1968)\r\n2. 8 1/2 (Federico Fellini / Italy / 1963)\r\n3. Lawrence of Arabia (David Lean / UK/US / 1962)\r\n4. Weekend (Jean Luc Godard / France/Italy / 1967)\r\n5. La Dolce Vita (Federico Fellini / Italy / 1960)\r\n6. Psycho (Alfred Hithcock / US / 1960)\r\n7. The Manchurian Candidate (John Frankenheimmer / US / 1962)\r\n8. Jules and Jim (Francois Truffaut / France / 1962)\r\n9. The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (Sergio Leone / Italy / 1966)\r\n10. Romeo and Juliet (Franco Zeffereli / UK/Italy / 1968)\r\n\r\nTough to narrow it down, and the order can fluctuate, but such is always the case.','0cba119d656e4d425d07db7f8ee5475c',0,'','YEzq2G3u',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7484,1540,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143937860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Andrei Tarkovsky\'s 10 favorite movies','www.theyshootpictures.com...andrei.htm\r\n\r\nNazarin Luis Bunuel \r\nWinter Light Ingmar Bergman \r\nWild Strawberries Ingmar Bergman \r\nCity Lights Charles Chaplin \r\nDiary of a Country Priest Robert Bresson \r\nUgestu Monogatari Kenji Mizoguchi \r\nThe Seven Samurai Akira Kurosawa \r\nWoman in the Dunes Hiroshi Teshigahara \r\nMouchette Robert Bresson \r\nPersona Ingmar Bergman \r\n\r\nGlad to see I\'m in good company with Diary of a Country Priest. Johndav should be happy to see Mizoguchi on the list.\r\n\r\nI\'m surprised at Seven Samurai. I liked it, but I found it to be a bit too obvious for my tastes.','c73c72ed5ff3fc297b798a568583f29a',0,'','y5v8awtB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7485,1540,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144041840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Andrei Tarkovsky\'s 10 favorite movies','The best artists are very rarely the best critics. Bergman\'s into Spielberg and Soderbergh, while openly slating both Antonioni and Godard. \r\n\r\nI\'m actually more suprised with Wild Strawberries and Persona on that list, the former being really quite light and whimsical, the latter being pointedly obvious, neither are close to being Bergman\'s strongest. \r\n\r\nBut then you\'re right, strip it down and Seven Samurai\'s just an action film, like a lot of Akira really, one of the most over-rated film-makers ever to exist. It is my fave of his though.','c5c14440236eabf030803c10cb3482ff',0,'','ejSUm1lE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7486,1540,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144118700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Andrei Tarkovsky\'s 10 favorite movies','If we were criticizing his choices, Winter Light seems a much odder choice than Personna or Wild Strawberries. This list was up on the old site I believe, but it is a good indicator of some of his influences, granted Seven Samurai seems decidedly un-Tarkovskyesque.','50d2b780b439a4b139b1e3a87f9b88b2',0,'','X9Z3mTbY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7487,1540,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144120920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Andrei Tarkovsky\'s 10 favorite movies','Of course WP, Winter Light is much less accessible than the other two Bergman films. \r\n\r\nYou know a lot of true Bergman followers adore that film and Bergman himself rates it as his best. Personally i\'d rate it amongst his top 5 and it\'s much closer to Tarkovsky than either Wild Strawberries or Persona because it\'s a little more elusive.','db61a07a23ccaca3e935dd45d62b3a9f',0,'','LnrURvVP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7488,1540,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1167528120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Andrei Tarkovsky\'s 10 favorite movies','Winter Light eluded me! Yes, johndav is pleased but not surprised Mizoguchi features- Tarkovsky described him as one of the great soaring souls, can\'t remember the exact words now.','1fb80a5f88a216701d4d2f01201d8c2d',0,'','Divuxcy3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7489,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152016380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Top Ten for the first half of 2006','All theatrical releases during this period, in no particular order:\r\n\r\nInnocence - Lucile Hadzihalilovic\r\nThe New World (150 minute version) - Terrence Malick\r\nCach / Hidden - Michael Haneke\r\nL`Equipier / The Light - Philippe Lioret\r\nLes gars / Strayed - Andr Tchin\r\nMunich - Steven Spielberg\r\nTsotsi - Gavin Hood\r\nHoly Lola - Bertrand Tavernier\r\nTickets - Abbas Kiarostami, Ken Loach, Ermanno Olmi\r\nSaraband - Ingmar Bergman\r\n\r\nSpecial mention - Tzameti / 13 - Gla Babluani\r\n\r\nThere\'s been almost a total lack of Asian cinema, we\'ve only had the very commercial action based films from Korea plus Seven Swords. Judging by the reactions of others Tony Takitani would probably have made the list, but we\'re still waiting for it.\r\n\r\nFor pure entertainment value (though it didn\'t get a theatrical release) I\'ll note another film from a first time feature director (along with Lucile Hadzihalilovic and Gla Babluani), a film that is totally kitschy in a purely Japanese way. It has been compared with Pulp Fiction but is far more humorous and not quite as well edited. It also features a caricature of someone I\'ve always regarded as a living caricature (even as a professional soccer player) Vinnie Jones who has the classic quote from the film, \"What is your function in life?\"\r\n\r\nSurvive Style 5 - Gen Sekiguchi, his background is in advertising and he actually uses this very cleverly in one of the story strands. A for entertainment value, A+++ for Kitschiness Japanese style.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','808736c42367bae044e2519bbc63cbd0',0,'','f6oi1Etl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7490,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152036600,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','My Top Ten (as usual) include the best \"new\" films I\'ve seen this year in Germany. This includes first screenings at national festivals, direct to DVD releases, films made for TV, etc.\r\nI have already seen (at least) ten great films this year, and I\'d be comfortable with submitting the list as it is at the end of 2006. But I\'m sure there will be changes, when I catch even more impressive stuff. \r\n\r\nThese are so far my favorites:\r\n\r\n1. Au-del de la haine Beyond Hatred (Olivier Meyrou / France / 2005) [98] 2.18.06\r\n2. The New World [135min. version] (Terrence Malick / USA / 2005) [83] 2.12.06 \r\n3. Kaalpurush Memories in the Mist (Buddhadev Dasgupta / India / 2005) [81] 2.17.06\r\n4. Mizu no hana Water Flower (Yusuke Kinoshita / Japan) [76] 2.19.06\r\n5. In Between Days (So Yong Kim / USA, Canada / 2006) [75] 2.12.06 \r\n6. L-bas Down There (Chantal Akerman / Belgium, France / 2005) [75] 2.16.06\r\n7. Babooska (Tizza Covi, Rainer Frimmel / Austria, Italy / 2005) [72] 2.13.06 \r\n8. ...Es wird jemand kommen, der ja zu mir sagt Ruth (Michael Blume / Germany) [78] 2.18.06\r\n9. Cach Hidden (Michael Haneke / France, Austria, Germany, Italy / 2005) [85] 3.12.06\r\n10. Amour neutre Love neutral (Pierre Coulibeuf / France / 2005) [79] 3.22.06\r\n\r\n\r\nrunners-up (alphabetically):\r\n\r\n46-okunen no koi Big Bang Love, Juvenile A (Takashi Miike / Japan / 2005) [64] 2.17.06\r\nAus der Ferne From Afar (Thomas Arslan / Germany / 2005) [72] 4.10.06\r\nInvisible Waves (Pen-Ek Ratanaruang / Thailand, Netherlands / 2006) [65] 2.14.06\r\nKan shang qu hen mei Little Red Flowers (Yuan Zhang / China, Italy / 2006) [75] 2.16.06\r\nMeninas Teen Mothers (Sandra Werneck / Brazil / 2005) [74] 2.15.06\r\nOffside (Jafar Panahi / Iran / 2006) [73] 2.18.06\r\nProfils paysans: le quotidien (Raymond Depardon / France / 2005) [72] 4.07.06\r\nVisul lui Liviu Liviu\'s Dream (Corneliu Porumboiu / Romania / 2004) [63] 2.14.06','70282d68caff7f4b180c71018b2a3e70',0,'','JmHK5Vz8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7491,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152046800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Have not seen nearly enough from this year yet and half the films on Trevor\'s list were released here in 2005, and my list would be so inaccurate if I put it together now, and with one possible exception I\'m not sure if any film I\'ve seen so far will make my year end top ten.','0b2d9f449af9bd36c888627d80323c47',0,'','TrsSLiQm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7492,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152060900,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','I can\'t believe that we\'re already halfway through the year. Nice thread, Trevor.\r\n\r\nYou, A, are at an advantage for having been to a major film fest. (Toronto is coming up for me. ) Could you please say a few words about In Between Days? I\'ve read some encouraging reports recently.','83ce52909667fc9ba31ee1767f7ca725',0,'','sevuXpf9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7493,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152118860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','It\'s a study of a korean teenager who\'s living alone with her mother in Canada(or the US, I forgot ). She has only one friend with whom she\'s in love, but she isn\'t able to communicate it to him. Shot on DV with a handcam that is almost always extremely close to the characters, the film almost appears documentary in its nature, without being simply \"distant and observing\", but pulls the viewer in and develops an emotional resonance that is in sharp contrast with the bleak winter landscape of the city. The film may seem tedious and pointless to some people, when it actualy focuses only on the important events in the protagonists life. A very personal (autobiographical) story that gives an intimate view at life-shaping events. The ending is also beautiful and poignant.','f68738dbbd961dbb54c6784cb9023b8f',0,'','h9CD2guc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7494,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152179340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Sounds a little like Rosetta... \r\n\r\nTrevor: From your list I haven\'t yet seen Tzameti / 13. Is it a police procedural/thriller?','7796d88758aa73a255b5d98fff5a97e7',0,'','0WP5AHhB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7495,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152185880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Tzameti deserves a write up and since I appear to have passed my block I\'ll re-watch it and either add it the thread for French films or start a new thread.\r\n\r\nIt will probably become a cult hit (and from the look of it could also be down for a remake). Tzameti is a taut thriller but also a very personal film for the director who grew up in an evironment where life is cheap. \r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','ca7804cfeddebe6995aa7bf0b3045ede',0,'','sXZvDbQR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7496,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152385140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','The similarities with Rosetta would be the documentary touch, and the closeness to reality. But while the Dardenne\'s kind of made an allegoricall film about the \"state of the world\", In between days is much more personal. It also totally differs from the urging frenziness of Rosetta, with a very calm and deliberate pace (I can\'t imagine people being bored or falling asleep during Rosetta ) Both characters can\'t express themselves or communicate properly with the world but Rosetta is much more extroverted, than the introverted almost invisible protagonist of In between days. The ending of both films is very similar, though it points again in two different directions. While for Rosetta, the world might have opened up a new perspective in a cathartic \"finale\" of her emotional tour-de-force, In between days offers a a world-weary truth closer to life. Sometimes just nobody cares about yourself, and you are again at the beginning, as you are the only person who can truly help yourself.\r\nI prefer the toned-down In between Days, though the direction of the Dardenne brothers in Rosetta is in a league of its own.','719fa28a2e9fe412dd49d10f73d9366f',0,'','jAHGbxih',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7497,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152584220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','\"But while the Dardenne\'s kind of made an allegoricall film about the \'state of the world\'\"\r\n\r\nInteresting. I can\'t say that I\'ve ever looked at it this way. What specifically is the base of your assertion?','15b95fda9ed98b88cff6d5873443d0b3',0,'','ax9Rn82j',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7498,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152735660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','I also had this feeling with the other Dardenne\'s film I\'ve seen, Le fils. I think it has something to do with the overall humanism I feel in these films, a sense that the persons portrayed are more like models and are interchangable, something like with Bresson. And the scope is almost \"Dostojevskian\", everything is very huge and dramatic, although they are telling rather intimate stories. It has also something to do with the inward being projected outwardly, a way of making the subjective view of the character their own, without giving him/her limits. Like everything could happen any moment, very dramatically condensed, rather \"direct\" storylines. \r\nThis isn\'t meant in a negative way, but it\'s how i perceive it. \r\nSomehow it is like these characters could be living anywhere in the world and stuff like that is imo happening every day around our globe. It\'s just that people don\'t see the beauty and spirituality in their lives as easily as an outsider (or maybe life is too complex to be compressed into 90 minutes ) \r\nIn between Days stays much more on the surface of the main character but at the same time makes her less mysterious and powerful, and redemption is presented in a different way. More of a passing look at things with a weary smile, than a dash into the mud and a final ray of light.','bc58e8366b0701d762a1c197f8eb6a29',0,'','6zXvpqbA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7499,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152754380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','\"I also had this feeling with the other Dardenne\'s film I\'ve seen, Le fils. I think it has something to do with the overall humanism I feel in these films, a sense that the persons portrayed are more like models and are interchangable, something like with Bresson.\"\r\n\r\nVery much like Bresson. Dardennes\' hold him in extremely high regard and rightfully owe much to him for their success. They have done the work to back up such a claim. And so it\'s disappointing to hear the term \"Bressonian models\" so casually thrown around nowadays by individuals who don\'t quite grasp it in conceptual terms.','8d76474bdf5fabc6a4c6031ebc416979',0,'','GghSLijv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7500,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152807480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','The interesting thing is that with the characters in Bresson\'s films, they seem emptied in a way, while the Dardenne\'s use it in my opinion the other way around, as their characters are on the verge of explosion (Rosetta, Le fils). Somehow I had the feeling of Rosetta being a \"remake\" of Mouchette, though Mouchette is for me a more mysterious person. By chance I\'ve read some fine articles and observations on the films of the Dardenne\'s recentlywhich describe my own reactions in a better way. But I don\'t seem to be as enthusiastic about them as a lot of people (Maybe after I see La Promesse and L\'enfant )\r\nHmm, their titles are also very programatic.','9adca4b3e02ed111b8444c8bb721b647',0,'','c0dDeSx9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7501,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152857340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','More pragmatic than the titles -- L\'Argent, Pickpocket, Une femme douce -- of a few Bresson films?!','41349cc6873a2d6e19350ef7e738f2e6',0,'','KB8th3Qq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7502,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152889800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Nah, the same. I probably meant that their titles are emblematic. \r\nOh, my english.','ac920d54d8a49ab0e10ce9c2c7302c15',0,'','o2GahD8N',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7503,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152942120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Sorry, didn\'t mean to hold your feet to the fire. \r\n\r\nBtw, I\'m a little surprised that you haven\'t yet watched L\'enfant. (Come to think of it, have you trevor and wpqx?) I\'ve seen it twice at this point, and do plan to one more time in order to discern why an overwhelming majority isn\'t willing to consider it anything less than a masterpiece.','0c6c08537f9a0e5df5d23c10348c2b89',0,'','l3MPbguL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7504,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152967380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Re: L\'enfant\r\n\r\nAlthough it was in the Chapter a month ago I was laid up with my foot, (just like last June). The dvd is due for release in a week or two so I\'ll catch it then but haven\'t built up any expectations.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','730199fb1ae388b6e45c3e192c2fd5c9',0,'','UbFkLKBH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7505,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152979260,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Aye, it was playing here for a few weeks but for various reasons I can\'t remember I wasn\'t able to catch it (most likely too much work, not enough money/time). I know the US DVD release is coming soon as its already out in Canada I believe, still wondering why Rosetta isn\'t out on DVD, the only VHS I can find is fullscreen. Now of course I\'ll have to hold arsaib responsible if I wind up being one of those people who think its \"anything less than a masterpiece\".','57ce8a954dfe640fa26a777286c16552',0,'','Av0BZWTf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7506,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152986340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Actually, I\'m one who doesn\'t think as highly of it as the majority, so I\'ll be more than happy to have some company.\r\n\r\nL\'enfant will be available on DVD on August 15th.','13659b3ed62631681f75f0ca6e1e2207',0,'','0rQ9yhbs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7507,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156664940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Clean\r\n4\r\nGabrielle\r\nA Scanner Darkly\r\nSomersault\r\nThree Times\r\nTriple Agent\r\n________________\r\n\r\nBuffalo Boy\r\nLe Chignon d\'Olga\r\nExiles\r\nThe Forest for the Trees\r\nManderlay\r\nPeep \"TV\" Show\r\nTake My Eyes\r\n\r\n*All 2006 U.S. Releases.','77092c08b927badb9c363b9c3eafc933',0,'','VHCE0GRN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7508,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156735140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Clean had to be top of your list didn\'t it, what makes it really annoying is that it was due for U.K. release last week but not only is it not available for rental but it appears to be unavailable in any of the shops I\'ve checked. I am hoping the release has been put back.\r\n\r\nGlad to see 4 making your list as well, this was straight to dvd here so I didn\'t include it, some of the others are old news but terrific films (Somersault, Triple Agent, Le Chignon d\'Olga & Take My Eyes) and some I\'m waiting to see.\r\n\r\nOverall a very interesting list and it certainly raises my expectations for Three Times which I\'ll definitely be seeing next month.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','c779d5534e8919f26e5f9a7e855030c0',0,'','gCdG4krP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7509,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156741920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Yeah, wouldn\'t it be great if instead of the weekly mindless products churned out by the Hollywood machine, the whole world gets to watch, say, the latest Hou film on the same day. (That\'d never happen, but we can still dream, can\'t we?!) \r\n\r\nI have a 5 year rule with new releases, so that\'s why a film like Le Chignon d\'Olga, which had its world premiere back in 2002, qualified since it showed up in the U.S. this year.\r\n\r\nLooking forward to your thoughts on Three Times. I hope you get to watch it on the big-screen; if not, Artificial-Eye wil put it out on DVD on Nov 13th.','fa8aa614bb790ce4756d356559b868ac',0,'','JX5qTfz7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7510,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156748040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','If I\'m not mistaken the DVD of Clean was out before the movie was even released here in the US. It only played here for one week in a really inconvenient theater anyways, admittingly most of the films on arsaib\'s list I haven\'t even heard of.','3c049a2e0e2f63a00f330a7d902a98bf',0,'','q4QAKhWD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7511,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156813140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Clean received a limited theatrical release in the U.S earlier this year from Palm Pictures. Though I wish it was released by Sony Classics.\r\n\r\nAs for the other films on my list, I know you\'ve seen A Scanner Darkly and Three Times. \r\n\r\nSomersault, Triple Agent, Buffalo Boy, Le Chignon d\'olga, Exiles, Manderlay, Peep \"TV\" Show and The Forest for the Trees are all available on DVD in the U.S. right now. (I\'ve talked about most of them on this site.)','b8f469d8064d62122083da1bec60179b',0,'','07hmVKko',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7512,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156816440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','I\'ll get to most if not all of them eventually.','81094c418e75c7fb2cd42286eccf7081',0,'','7C5EQwfJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7513,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1164967380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','I believe I\'m only at about 25 films this year, and maybe enough for a decent list of about five good ones. Last year was the first time I was able to have a top ten done at year\'s end, and I\'d like to be at that point again this year. However I\'m going to have to work on a minimum of two films a week at the cinema in order to be remotely close, but more like 3 a week, considering I only have a month left. \r\n\r\nso far potential candidates would be \r\n\r\nTsotsi\r\nUnited 93\r\nA Scanner Darkly\r\nBorat\r\nVolver \r\nA Prarie Home Companion \r\nThree Times \r\n\r\nHowever I could easily see most of these getting cut on the top ten list.','3bf46c72ef6a6c73a23913cc5d82da1b',0,'','jQlFVURC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7514,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1164975720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','I\'m certainly glad to see A Scanner Darkly and Three Times among the candidates. And as I mentioned earlier, I also really liked Linklater\'s Fast Food Nation.','675a075215924020d30606067fc8f9a7',0,'','Ms5rmHig',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7515,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1165005660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','I\'m going to try and see The Fountain today (in about 1 1/2 hours) and I\'ve heard good things about it. Arronofsky\'s last film topped my list for 2000, so expectations are properly inflated.','d9a6ee32fb7450531f4184cfa59a8a36',0,'','S6Xae0NT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7516,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1165273680,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Heh, this year I was lucky to be at the Berlinale (I\'ll probably get an accreditation for next year ) where i was able to see over 50 new films.\r\nOverall I\'ve seen over 80 \"new\" films this year, and my Top Ten will be expanded to include all worthy candidates. (so far 13 or 14 films)\r\nI usually never had problems compiling Top Tens at the end of a year for the past four or five years, because I was attending the cinema a lot. Funny thing is that though I have been at the cinema more often than ever before during the last two years, I have almost stopped watching new films that get released at the cinema, because I prefer to see older titles on the screen. But as long as i have the opportunity to go to festivals this won\'t be too big a problem.\r\n\r\nOn a side-note, I can imagine almost all of my selections for this year to get thrown off the Top Ten positions in the future because so far, only one movie has cracked the 90 mark in my rating system (which would classify it as a masterpiece for me). In that regard 2006 has been the most disappointing year since I have been regularly going to the movies (and that\'s from 1990 onwards, btw).','5a5b35b4a1668672d6177338c1ae656d',0,'','qpQ1mMGg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7517,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1165292940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','\"I\'m going to try and see The Fountain today (in about 1 1/2 hours) and I\'ve heard good things about it. Arronofsky\'s last film topped my list for 2000, so expectations are properly inflated.\"\r\n\r\nI\'m not in a hurry to watch The Fountain but I certainly will get to it. Soderbergh\'s The Good German and De Niro\'s The Good Shepherd look like interesting December releases. Hopefully they\'ll be more than merely year\'s end award-season fodder.\r\n\r\nThe Death of Mr. Lazarescu is one film I expect you to see before finalizing your 2006 list.','18a34dc8c63737b267cb436196ded526',0,'','kH0C81uL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7518,1541,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1165308780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten for the first half of 2006','Well the Fountain was severely disappointing, as my review would indicate. I saw The Queen today (the theater was shut down for CO2 detection, so I couldn\'t see Fast Food Nation afterwards). Regarding the Queen, I honestly believe if I were British this film might have some effect on me, but I felt literally nothing watching it. Even during the dramatic music and Diana\'s death I was completely detached, but I remember (pardon my going to hell) not caring when Diana died. However Bobby was about an American figurehead being murdered, and that movie @#%$ me up. I can\'t tell if its a question of different film techniques (as Estevez\'s film built up to it) or if its cultural differences. The irony is I got a free pass because of the CO2 problem, and I essentially got rewarded for trying to sneak into another movie. So later this week I have a free ticket for Fast Food Nation, and it better be god damn good.\r\n\r\nI\'ll see what I can do about The Death of Mr. Lazarescu before December 31st.','22e915b55d00834f9ab0b43a598c6292',0,'','zp6DyG8A',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7519,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1132736280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','BEST OF 2004','Before we move onto our 2005 lists, I think we should resubmit the ones from last year since they were lost.\r\n\r\nTOP 15\r\n\r\n1. Goodbye Dragon Inn (Bu san) - Tsai Ming-liang / Taiwan\r\n\r\n2. Time of the Wolf (Le Temps du loup) - Michael Haneke / France\r\n\r\n3. Dogville - Lars von Trier / Denmark\r\n\r\n4. Birth - Jonathan Glazer / U.S.\r\n\r\n5. Son Frre - Patrice Chreau / France\r\n\r\n6. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind - Michel Gondry / U.S.\r\n\r\n7. Last Life in the Universe (Ruang Rak noi nid Mahasan) \r\n- Pen-Ek Ratanaruang / Thailand\r\n\r\n8. Notre Musique - Jean-Luc Godard / France\r\n\r\n9. The Twilight Samurai (Tasogare Seibei) - Yoji Yamada / Japan\r\n\r\n10.The Village - M. Night Shyamalan / U.S.\r\n\r\n11.Moolaad - Ousmane Sembene / Senegal\r\n\r\n12.The Brown Bunny - Vincent Gallo / U.S.\r\n\r\n13.Crimson Gold (Talaye Sorgh) - Jafar Panahi / Iran \r\n\r\n14.Kill Bill: Volume 2 - Quentin Tarantino / U.S.\r\n\r\n15.Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter... and Spring \r\n(Bom yeoreum gaeul gyeoul geurigo bom) - Kim Ki-duk / S.Korea\r\n\r\nRUNNERS-UP\r\n(alphabetical order only)\r\n\r\nAlexander - Oliver Stone / U.S.-Germany\r\n\r\nAlmost Peaceful (Un Monde presque paisible) \r\n- Michel Deville / France \r\n\r\nBad Education (La Mala Educacin) - Pedro Almodvar / Spain\r\n\r\nBefore Sunset - Richard Linklater / U.S. \r\n\r\nFree Radicals (Bse Zellen) - Barbara Albert / Austria \r\n\r\nHellboy - Guillermo del Toro / U.S.\r\n\r\nThe Inheritence (Arven) - Peter Fly / Denmark\r\n\r\nMillion Dollar Baby - Clint Eastwood / U.S.\r\n\r\nOutskirts (Okraina) - Pyotr Lutsik / Russia\r\n\r\nPersons of Interest - Alison Maclean & Tobias Perse - U.S.\r\n\r\nRaja - Jacques Doillon / France-Morocco \r\n\r\nSpringtime in a Small Town (Xiao cheng zhi chun) \r\n- Tian Zhuangzhuang / China\r\n\r\nStrayed (Les gars) - Andr Tchin / France \r\n\r\nTokyo Godfathers - Satoshi Kon / Japan\r\n\r\nThe Woodsman - Nicole Kassell / U.S.\r\n\r\nHonorable Mention\r\n(alphabetical order only)\r\n\r\nAlila - Amos Gitai / Israel\r\n\r\nBaadasssss! - Mario Van Peebles / U.S. \r\n\r\nThe Big Red One: The Reconstruction - Samuel Fuller / U.S.\r\n\r\nBlind Shaft (Mang Jing) - Li Yang / China\r\n\r\nBon Voyage - Jean-Paul Rappeneau / France\r\n\r\nBright Future (Akarui Mirai) - Kiyoshi Kurosawa / Japan\r\n\r\nDawn of the Dead - Zack Snyder / U.S.\r\n\r\nThe Five Obstructions - Lars von Trier & Jrgen Leth / Denmark\r\n\r\nGoing Upriver: The Long War of John Kerry - George Butler / U.S.\r\n\r\nI Heart Huckabees - David O. Russell / U.S.\r\n\r\nThe Incredibles - Brad Bird / U.S.\r\n\r\nLoving Glances (Sjaj u Ocima) - Srdjan Karanovic \r\n/ Serbia & Montenegro \r\n\r\nMaria Full of Grace - Joshua Marston / U.S.-Columbia \r\n\r\nReconstruction - Christoffer Boe / Denmark\r\n\r\nThe Return (Vozvrashcheniye) - Andrei Zvyagintsev / Russia\r\n\r\nSex Is Comedy - Catherine Breillat / France\r\n\r\nShaun of the Dead - Edgar Wright / U.K.\r\n\r\nSilent Waters (Khamosh Pani) - Sabiha Sumar / Pakistan\r\n\r\nA Talking Picture (Um Filme Falado) - Manoel de Oliveira / Portugal\r\n\r\nViva Laldjrie - Nadir Moknche / Algeria\r\n\r\n_________________________\r\n\r\n*ALL FILMS WERE DISTRIBUTED IN THE U.S. DURING 2004.','261eb2da2144d0dad307f4d1e892e1a9',0,'','Yn7WTo0h',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7520,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1132795920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: BEST OF 2004','Well I know I\'ll forget something, and honestly I still don\'t think I\'ve seen all that I\'d have liked to, but here\'s a rough top15. I wasn\'t positive about the release of Tarnation, but I saw it on enough top tens of the year to count it, and remember Hero didn\'t come out here until August of 2004. \r\n\r\n1. The Incredibles (Bird)\r\n2. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Gondry)\r\n3. The Saddest Music in the World (Maddin)\r\n4. Dogville (Von Trier)\r\n5. Hero (Yimou)\r\n6. Million Dollar Baby (Eastwood)\r\n7. Kill Bill Vol. 2 (Tarantino)\r\n8. Sideways (Payne)\r\n9. Vera Drake (Leigh) \r\n10. House of Flying Daggers (Yimou)\r\n11. Moolaade (Sembene)\r\n12. Tarnation (Caouette)\r\n13. Closer (Nichols)\r\n14. Before Sunset (Linklater)\r\n15. Baadasssss (Van Peebles)','cf5a36ae1174663dd926c1027713d55d',0,'','ZPQuXLgl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7521,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1132870740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: BEST OF 2004','Oh what a great List arsaib! I haven\'t seen all of the films you listed, but most are on my personal to see list. Here in Germany we don\'t get such a variety of foreign films at the cinemas. \r\nAnd some of the films you and wpqx listed will appear on my 2005 list. \r\nSadly I\'ve lost my 2004 list, so I\'ll have to make one from memory and a year\'s distance.','643b3b90c7e48ef64ec9c25f975c5842',0,'','g9J3l0yr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7522,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1132878360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: BEST OF 2004','2004 was a great year for me, and I still haven\'t seen all the films I wanted. Here\'s my Top 20 (theatrical releases only!), favorites in bold.\r\n\r\n1. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004 / Michel Gondry / \r\n2. Marseille (2004 / Angela Schanelec / Germany)\r\n3. Frau fhrt, Mann schlft (2004 / Rudolf Thome / Germany)\r\n4. Los lunes al sol \"Mondays in the Sun\" (2002 / Fernando Len de Aranoa / Spain, Italy, France)\r\n5. Elephant (2003 / Gus Van Sant / USA)\r\n6. 21 Grams (2003 / Alejandro Gonzlez Irritu / USA)\r\n7. Before night falls (2000 / Julian Schnabel / USA)\r\n8. Birth (2004 / Jonathan Glazer / USA)\r\n9. Before Sunset (2004 / Richard Linklater / USA)\r\n10. 5 x 2 (2004 / Franois Ozon / France)\r\n11. Schussangst \"Gun-shy\" (2003 / Dito Tsintsadze / Germany)\r\n12. The Station Agent (2003 / Thomas McCarthy / USA)\r\n13. Tierra \"Land\" (1996 / Julio Medem / Spain)\r\n14. Rokugatsu no hebi \"A Snake of June\" (2002 / Shinya Tsukamoto / Japan)\r\n15. Gegen die Wand \"Head-on\" (2004 / Fatih Akin / Germany, Turkey)\r\n16. Open Range (2003 / Kevin Costner / USA)\r\n17. Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (2003 / Peter Weir / USA)\r\n18. Oldboy (2003 / Chan-wook Park / South Korea)\r\n19. Bad Santa (2003 / Terry Zwigoff / USA, Germany)\r\n20. Lost in Translation (2003 / Sofia Coppola / USA, Japan)\r\n\r\nHonorable Mention:\r\n\r\nMuxmuschenstill (2004 / Marcus Mittermeier / Germany)\r\nAgnes und seine Brder (2004 / Oskar Roehler / Germany)\r\nRhythm is it! (2004 / Thomas Grube, Enrique Sanchez Lansch / Germany)\r\nKen Park (2002 / Larry Clark, Edward Lachman / USA, Netherlands, France)\r\nOsama (2003 / Siddiq Barmak / Afghanistan, Netherlands, Japan, Ireland, Iran)\r\nCold Mountain (2003 / Anthony Minghella / USA)\r\nThe Dreamers (2003 / Bernardo Bertolucci / Italy, France, UK)','bd864abfd9a0618f3c0570590c1e2658',0,'','LptFVK9P',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7523,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1132997820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: BEST OF 2004','Thank for the lists, guys. \r\n\r\nOne film that I was terribly disappointed in was 5x2, which is on your top list, A. What made it stand out for you?','6366f41615c1d2d48bfaed6213e78e2a',0,'','pq1uRtaP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7524,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133002860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: BEST OF 2004','I like all of Ozons films and his directorial style, so my expectations for the film were quite high. But while watching it I was very disappointed to see all these uninteresting people having uninteresting conversations, being more or less fake, and out of touch with themselves and their surroundings. And while the film went on everything became more and more dull and pointless. The story told in reverse, the end at the beginning, and their beginning at the end, you saw life stations of the protagonists, basically everything that went wrong with them, their small and big lies, their misconceptions of others and themselves, etc. The ending was the protagonists first encounter at a beach with a beautiful sunset, a parody of the terrible things to come, and because the viewer had already witnessed them, I couldn\'t help to be repulsed by the people, and the filmmakers seemingly cynical attitude.\r\nBut after reflecting upon the film, the meaning of its structure, and Ozon\'s intentions, I discovered the purpose of all this for myself. Like all Ozon films it is about liberation from the boundaries that we ourselves and our society sets us, and the path to self-discovery and -understanding. The beginning of the film shows us exactly this. Valeria Bruni Tedeschi walks out on her husband after a horrible last encounter and the preceding divorce, ay woman who has been through hell, but has freed herself from it- and a hell she has helped to build up herself! In the course of the film we see how it had come to this point. Like in all Ozon films, the director doesn\'t comment on the events, shows them like an observer, doesn\'t judge the persons, the viewer has to actively ingage in the film and develop his standpoint, but in the end gives his moral statement through the work as a whole. Everything you have to know is there, but you have to connect the dots by yourself. An uncompromising dissection of the (french) middle-class, that confronts the exasperated viewer with a devastating account of a group of ordinary people, who\'s false pretences have nearly crushed their lives, that leaves a bitter aftertaste, but is ultimately rewarding. Though the conclusions everybody draws may differ, nobody wants to experience any of this by themselves. In the end Ozon has, through the depiction of everyday occurrences, succeded in confronting the people with themselves , and if necessary, to rethink their life.','59e890719d153cab0aec8ea0e56da3a6',0,'','3KpPNbXa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7525,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133047980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: BEST OF 2004','Like in all Ozon films, the director doesn\'t comment on the events, shows them like an observer, doesn\'t judge the persons, the viewer has to actively ingage in the film and develop his standpoint, but in the end gives his moral statement through the work as a whole. Everything you have to know is there, but you have to connect the dots by yourself.\r\n\r\nThat\'s an interesting comment. I wrote somewhere that \"I think the positive remarks have come from those who are willing to let their minds run amok during the space Ozon doesn\'t allow us to access.\" Basically, I was willing to draw the lines if there were enough \"dots\" there. Ozon gave us the big moments: wedding night, birth of a child, divorce, etc., but I found it difficult to access the instances (in my mind, I guess) that led to their demise.','d82dfc14e6748d7d4d4bf06ee481e068',0,'','xtFEn3wK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7526,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133092140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: BEST OF 2004','I think the main problem was, that the protagonists weren\'t honest to themselves. They didn\'t talk about their desires, what they really wanted, but tried to play by established \"rules\". They were constantly cheating on each other, because they couldn\'t talk openly.','81928a24b7ae4ae2edcc8323db83b578',0,'','DABRJ4YK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7527,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133134980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: BEST OF 2004','Great to read a bit of indepth analysis of 5x2. I didn\'t think much of it myself but it\'s good to read the opinion of someone who obviously got more from it than I did.\r\n\r\nMy problem, by the time the film ended, I disliked both parties and didn\'t really care what became of them.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','3217fac74f8efbf7d8cc6e99d9f955d6',0,'','QNTqmUe7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7528,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133139120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: BEST OF 2004','I would vote for\r\n\r\nDogville\r\nThe Station Agent\r\nBad Education\r\nTwilight Samurai\r\nSpring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring\r\nThe Return (are we sure that was 2004 and not 2003?)\r\nKill Bill 2\r\n\r\nAnd one that nobody has mentioned:\r\n\r\nLes Choristes (The Chorus)\r\n\r\nRead about it here:\r\nwww.imdb.com/title/tt0372824/\r\n\r\nSara','b30fd9ba9f88ec8fdd0583fe28b62b76',0,'','WK3RAN0F',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7529,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133238900,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: BEST OF 2004','The Return was released in the U.S. during 2004.','b293cd669933c8db5961e79d2ec5d072',0,'','0VhXLquK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7530,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133244960,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hengcs','Re: BEST OF 2004','Ha ha ha\r\n\r\nWe used to have Les Choristes in our old foreignfilms.com.\r\nI watched it at Mill Valley Film Festival.\r\n\r\nHmmm, maybe I will write the review again \r\n(actually I did so just now ... but everything was erased because I did not type in the Subject ...\r\n;(','e40ec7562ed9cd15a0f4d5d27964435f',0,'','8cqLyT4g',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7531,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133246460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: BEST OF 2004','','d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e',0,'','YlrJcoWQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7532,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133248740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: BEST OF 2004','Like to add Vera Drake to my list, I figured I would. I\'ve been in the process of listing all my films alphabetically and by year on my computer, since I have no internet connection, and I\'m packing them all up anyways. Damn I have a lot of movies, a bunch of which I don\'t even remember watching. In the process I also forgot Team America, which certainly deserves an honorable mention.','e36b789a93c607932c2c1cb8b7c881a7',0,'','XEsbK8mn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7533,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133253120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mcdan','Re: BEST OF 2004','There are many films mentioned in this thread that I have not seen yet - I know my list will change a good bit after I see some. I am currently renting \"Spring, Summer...\" and \"5 x2\". \r\n\r\n1. House of Flying Daggers\r\n2. The Machinist\r\n3. Maria Full of Grace\r\n4. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind\r\n5. Kill Bill Vol.2\r\n6. Kinsey\r\n7. The Woodsman\r\n8. Bad Education\r\n9. A Tale of Two Sisters \r\n10.Les Choristes\r\n---\r\n\r\nmcdan','cd4d8aad63636c6f5893946ceb7fafff',0,'','4kmdHKVR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7534,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133609340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mcdan','Re: BEST OF 2004','Just finished \"5x2\" so can add my two cents. (Not in the excellent critical response as those upthread, just my ideas.)\r\n\r\nI did like the film and I have read many of the mixed reviews. Now I want to see \"The Swimming Pool\" which most reviews say is far superior. \r\n\r\nIt seemed the only way to film this movie was backwards to give us the odd \"there is hope as the sunsets\" spin ending while we know there is no hope for this relationship. It resonates that this is a beginning to a miserable end. They also do not touch in the final scene as they walk in the sea towards the sunset. The future is already written for this couple.\r\n\r\nI can see why many dislike these characters but on the surface - wedding scenes, dinner party - they are just ordinary upper middle class people with secrets and silences that are only present as a strong undercurrent. It is a simple tale and not unlike what may be going on down the street in the next house in our own lives. They are perhaps \"the perfect couple\" that always surprises people when they announce the divorce.\r\n\r\nSo I liked the movie because it let the viewer do a lot of work thinking about these two people- likable or not. I see them more as vacant lost people unable to share a basic trust and respect for each other or themselves. Although the female seems to be on the verge of waking up and maturing as the film begins. She enters the elevator without turning around but facing the back mirror without raising her eyes to meet her image. (I liked her in \"The Color of Lies.) \r\n\r\nThe scene that did not work for me was the unlikely American in the woods at the wedding scene. I see the point but it was a bit much. Also the husband hiding from the birth of his son and abandoning his wife. But she accepted it so again we must piece together the stitches that bind these sporatic tales together.\r\n\r\nEnough. I am not a film critic or student as many of you. Just rambling my thoughts on this film. I\'ll go with I liked it but not in the top 10 for 2004. Top 20 yes.','247fa3b5d3c1ffeb9f089c25a4dfc0a9',0,'','5mF87isS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7535,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133632980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: BEST OF 2004','A link to my initial comment on 5x2.\r\n\r\nI\'ll try and dig out my 2004 list if I can find it.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev','92e3db805f85c3d10d242e61068d46d4',0,'','6z7ZaLH2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7536,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133649120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: BEST OF 2004','Thanks for your comments, mcdan. It\'s always great to hear another opinion. (I\'m a little surprised, however, that of all the films it\'s 5x2 that most of us have seen here.)\r\n\r\nI had almost fogotten that Tedeschi was in The Color of Lies. Good film.','064de06e1562a8426f66abdf8b1dabc4',0,'','ZXCDvPyT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7537,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133660160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: BEST OF 2004','It\'s a bit of a shame that we only get into a deeper discussion when there\'s a big difference of opinion. Saying that, I didn\'t think much of Kill Bill 2, padded out to make 2 movies out of 1 concept or The Chorus, far too twee for me.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev','d930eaf45faf7e9a1b34765e71b7c617',0,'','N9PuGAef',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7538,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1133679180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: BEST OF 2004','I agree with you, bur probably the most interesting discussions spring from differencies. I didn\'t see the two films you mentioned, so I can\'t jump on that train.','ed3324154b599e44d284a47c42524676',0,'','1lgu7sFe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7539,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141259940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: BEST OF 2004','Very belatedly! As i\'ll have to be with 05 too.\r\n\r\n1.Innocence\r\n2.Howl\'s Moving Castle\r\n3.Before Sunset\r\n+\r\nThe Weeping Meadow\r\nThe Life Aquatic\r\n2046\r\n+\r\nStory of the Weeping Camel\r\nA Very Long Engagement\r\nThe Incredibles\r\nNobody Knows\r\nThe Consequences of Love\r\nThe Power of Nightmares (TV)','4315f4ef066f9918a7edbde089e5b860',0,'','e1HW0bXK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7540,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141281120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: BEST OF 2004','Not to detract from your list, but one of the things I did was to group films by when they were released here (in Chicago or in the US in general). So although you have several good choices, some of them wound up on my 2005 list, but if you got them in \'04 then I am envious. Nice to include the Incredibles, which believe it or not was my #1.','5eb98e66e8287fb4308672c0dabd370f',0,'','LMyvngmu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7541,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141357320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: BEST OF 2004','I certainly didn\'t get them earlier, just came to this late with imdb based listing. I\'m ever further behind with recent films these days, in fact my viewing frequency has slowed down quite a bit.','099a50cb6591f9480f27b1697c156711',0,'','KplXZyts',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7542,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141360740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: BEST OF 2004','I also go by the U.S. release dates (at least for now). Innocence, Howl\'s Moving Castle, The Weeping Meadow, 2046 and Nobody Knows were all distributed here in 2005. But the way things are looking now, distribution wise, I\'m not sure if we\'ll get to see a film like Meadow in the future.','e1e4479929b744862ce55324f26055e4',0,'','GSdD7k51',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7543,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141398480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: BEST OF 2004','I use the U.K. release dates which is why if \"Innocence\" makes the list, it\'ll come under 2006 whereas \"Howl\'s Moving Castle\" and \"2046\" made the 2005 list with \"The Consequences of Love\" very highly rated as well. It seems sensible to keep to this method as it also shows the worldwide variations in release dates.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','13c655b1029aa407de87e9444cd03a32',0,'','dRhlpvJu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7544,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142114940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: BEST OF 2004','Yes, I am also in favor of national release dates. The films I list every year have been released in this time here in Germany.\r\nIt\'s interesting to compare and see, and that\'s also the reason why I mark released and unreleased films as such, on my year end lists.','28d9d69393529f45a6358bfcd0376311',0,'','xYSRZzWT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7545,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144223040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: BEST OF 2004','Very difficult to remember, but here\'s my list of the 10 best films that were shown for the first time in 2004. Alpha order only.\r\n\r\nControl Room - Jehane Noujaim \r\nDare mo shiranai - Hirokazu Koreeda \r\nDe Fem benspnd - Lars von Trier \r\nDogville - Lars von Trier \r\nThe Dreamers - Bernardo Bertolucci \r\nElephant - Gus van Sant \r\nHistoire de Marie et Julien - Jacques Rivette \r\nNotre musique - Jean-Luc Godard \r\nOtets i syn - Aleksandr Sokurov \r\nPanj asr - Samria Makhmalbaf','d3e29b42616a3320e9fd79b670ba0641',0,'','JANs2Pay',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7546,1542,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144256040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: BEST OF 2004','From four on your list I\'ve seen, three would be on mine,\r\n\r\n- Dare mo shiranai - Hirokazu Koreeda \r\n- Dogville - Lars von Trier\r\n- Elephant - Gus van Sant\r\n\r\nOne I liked much (seen it again since), but wasn\'t that great for me\r\n- The Dreamers - Bernardo Bertolucci\r\n\r\none I don\'t know much about\r\n- Control Room - Jehane Noujaim\r\n\r\nand all the others I\'ve wanted to see since they came out (and eventually I will!).\r\nThanks for your contribution, looks like a list that could come from any of our members','33d8673bb3b862363ebc3abeddf625ce',0,'','eg7ufKCF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7547,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147115520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Ten best films of the 90\'s','I could have sworn this list was on this site, but alas it wasn\'t. Now I\'m not sure how to do this one, whether I should go foreign and English, or maybe even group by year or alphabetically. For now however I\'ll just go with ten, and I\'ll add as I see fit. \r\n\r\nAlthough some films may have not been released in the US in the 90\'s, I\'m going by international release dates, because it just makes life easier.\r\n\r\n1. Pulp Fiction (Tarantino)\r\n2. Schindlers List (Speilberg)\r\n3. Goodfellas (Scorsese)\r\n4. Before Sunrise (Linklater)\r\n5. Dances With Wolves (Costner)\r\n6. Magnolia (Anderson)\r\n7. Fight Club (Fincher)\r\n8. Malcolm X (Lee)\r\n9. L A Confidential (Hansen)\r\n10. Natural Born Killers (Stone)\r\n\r\nThis was my list as of about a year or two ago, so not much changing. So here\'s an off the top of my head list of foreign films from the decade.\r\n\r\nFlowers of Shanghai (Hsaio-Hsien)\r\nEuropa Europa (Holland)\r\nAfter Life (Kore-eda)\r\nRebels of a Neon God (Ming-Liang)\r\nHappy Together (Kar-wai)\r\nUnderground (Kustirica)\r\nSatan\'s Tango (Tarr)\r\nHard Boiled (Woo)\r\nTo Live (Yimou)\r\nUlysses Gaze (Angelopoulus)','219f8a630678be6e7ac55a461545c109',0,'','cFEGsznL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7548,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147116660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Ok, I just got the post all wrong, and had to edit it.\r\nMy 10 best films of the 90s would currently be (listed alphabetically:\r\n\r\n\r\nDead Man (Jim Jarmusch / USA, Germany, Japan / 1995)\r\nHaonan haonu Good Men, Good Women (Hsiao-hsien Hou / Taiwan, Japan / 1995)\r\nLos amantes del Crculo Polar The Lovers of the Arctic Circle (Julio Medem / Spain, France / 1998) \r\nMoe no Suzaku \"Suzaku\" (Naomi Kawase / Japan / 1996)\r\nNema-ye Nazdik \"Close Up\" (Abbas Kiarostami / Iran / 1990)\r\nPola X (Leos Carax / France, Switzerland, Germany, Japan / 1999)\r\nThe Thin Red Line (Terrence Malick / USA, Canada / 1998) \r\nTopzu Tokyo Decadence (Ryu Murakami / Japan / 1992)\r\nTrys dienos \"Three Days\" (Sharunas Bartas / Soviet Union / 1991) \r\nXich lo \"Cyclo\" (Anh Hung Tran / Vietnam, France, Hong Kong / 1995)\r\n\r\nother contenders:\r\n\r\nArizona Dream (Emir Kusturica / USA, France / 1993)\r\nBeing John Malkovich (Spike Jonze / USA / 1999)\r\nGroundhog Day (Harold Ramis / USA / 1993)\r\nL\' appartement The Apartment (Gilles Mimouni / France, Spain, Italy / 1996) \r\nSweet and Lowdown (Woody Allen / USA / 1999)\r\nUnderground (Emir Kusturica / Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, France, Germany, Hungary / 1995)\r\nThe Reflecting Skin (Philip Ridley / UK, Canada / 1990)\r\nTwelve Monkeys (Terry Gilliam / USA / 1995)\r\nUnter der Milchstrae Under the Milky Way (Matthias X. Oberg / Germany / 1995)\r\nWandfuru raifu \"After Life\" (Hirokazu Koreeda / Japan / 1998)','5064efa0145122b013d30c911c18489c',0,'','6EBp4zol',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7549,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147118400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Here\'s my list...\r\n\r\nUnderground (Emir Kusturica)\r\nHappy Together (Wong Kar-Wai)\r\nGood Men, Good Women (Hou Hsiao-Hsien)\r\nUlysses Gaze (Theo Angelopoulos)\r\nClose-Up ( Abbas Kiarostami)\r\nLa Belle Noiseuse (Jacques Rivette)\r\nIrma Vep (Olivier Assayas)\r\nThe Hole (Tsai Ming Liang)\r\nDead Man (Jim Jarmusch)\r\nThe Match Factory Girl (Aki Kaurismaki)\r\n\r\nI\'ve also tried to restrict myself to one film per director, though choosing only one from Kiarostami was tough! I haven\'t seen \"Rebels of a Neon God\" or \"Satantango\". The ones that I had a tough time keeping out of this list are -Gabbeh (Makhmalbaf), \"Autumn Tale\" (Rohmer), \"Flowers of Shanghai\" (Hou) and \"Raise the Red Lantern\" (Yimou).\r\n\r\nM','3344c626bc6e0d4a367e09274f28f523',0,'','f7GnH9Dd',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7550,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147118700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Nice list.\r\nVagabond is from \'85, but you can open an 80s thread','74ac0057b683eaae8b62711ec21d52a7',0,'','5rRZiS07',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7551,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147118760,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','I saw \"Vagabond\" in the 90s, therefore the confusion!\r\n\r\nThanks A for pointing this out. Have edited it I share three favourites with you and two with wpqx! \r\n\r\nM','7162ee41179bd78d529aeb47cc23c3db',0,'','CquUpb7J',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7552,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147165740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Quote:I\'m a little disappointed with my list honestly, obviously have some movies to see\r\n\r\nYou certainly do.\r\n\r\nI want to make so many derogatory comments about your list, but i\'ll hold back for Arsaib\'s sake. Your foreign films list isn\'t bad, but i find it hard to see how someone can hold all those USA-ian films in higher regard than some of the brilliant non-USA-ian films you\'ve mentioned.\r\n\r\nOne question.... are you nationalistic or just generally prefer USA-ian cinema? And if so, why?\r\n\r\nI like the other lists that have been mentioned and i\'ll probably share a couple of those also. I\'ll post mine soon, but i haven\'t seen much and it\'ll be very conventional.','8b772155861350c23173963ad41cb462',0,'','W4xPfjQp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7553,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147196340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Well the list I mentioned was one that\'s been little changed for several years. I do generally prefer American films to foreign films primarily because that\'s what I see the majority of (a little over saturation). I came to foreign films after having a more than thorough introduction to American film.\r\n\r\nI know I haven\'t seen an enormous amount of French films of the 90\'s, but of the one\'s I\'ve seen none really overly impressed me, perhaps my favorite of the bunch would be Irma Vep. Lists of favorite films of mine have pretty much always been dominated by American films, and quite possibly always will be. I don\'t want to sound ignorant but I\'ll use a similar defense that Peter Bogdanovich used which is that its easier to experience American films, because you don\'t have subtitles. Now I have no problem reading subtitles, but frequently you can miss a lot of what\'s going on by reading along, rather than admiring aspects of the mise-en-scene. And since I haven\'t had a really good opportunity to re-watch movies, I\'m stuck with my first impression, which usually only encompasses about 80% of what\'s going on. With American movies, you can pay easier attention to them. I\'m not sure if that makes any sense, but perhaps if my French or Spanish was a little better I\'d be more easily impressed with those films.\r\n\r\nbtw I\'m not surprised at your \"outrage\", but then again you shouldn\'t be overly surprised with my list.\r\n\r\nI\'d also like to mention Underground, which I forgot when making my list of foreign films, which was simply off the top of my head.','cae881d6d7f00b2888cc65e9d9d614a9',0,'','4aHyE6qK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7554,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147244460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','I prefer the challenge of reading the subtitles and the images, it\'s actually easy to take in the dialogue i think. i find that A-merican films don\'t have anywhere near as much going on anyway.','951c4fa460a6412c26ac006890206b74',0,'','CmKncAo4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7555,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147281420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','@madhuban\r\n\r\nActually from the 6 films I\'ve seen from your list, the three that are not on my Top Ten, could have been, maybe a year ago. \r\nUlysse\'s Gaze has been until recently my favorite film of all time for a couple of years.\r\nUnderground is a personal favorite that I\'ve seen about 5 times. \r\nIrma Vep is the only one that isn\'t a favorite, but I liked it very much when I saw it the last time at the cinema. I adore Maggie Cheung, and like Assayas` way of filmmaking. Some of the music from the film is sometimes still spinning in my head.','0bc8f2d9a484d9a451b7b1cea83f59ea',0,'','iWsv6qVa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7556,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147422180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Sticking to only one per director, which was hard for Kieslowski and Kiarostami. It\'s a pretty crap list and i\'m sure once i\'ve seen more it\'ll be altered dramatically.\r\n\r\n1. La Belle noiseuse (1991) - Jacques Rivette \r\n2. The Garden (1990) - Derek Jarman \r\n3. Beau travail (1999) - Claire Denis \r\n4. La Double vie de Vronique (1991) - Krysztof Kieslowski \r\n5. Ta\'m e guilass / Taste of Cherry (1997) - Abbas Kiarostami \r\n6. To Vlemma tou Odyssea / Ulysses Gaze (1995) - Theo Angelopoulos \r\n7. Viagem ao Princpio do Mundo / Voyage to the Beginning of the World (1997) - Manoel de Oliveira \r\n8. Tulitikkutehtaan tytt / The Match Factory Girl (1990) - Aki Kaurismaki \r\n9. Le Tombeau d\'Alexandre / The Last Bolshevik (1992) - Chris Marker \r\n10. Lektionen in Finsternis / Lessons of Darkness (1992) - Werner Herzog \r\n\r\nIt was hard to leave out Crash (Cronenberg), Lost Highway (Lynch), Dead Man (Jarmusch), Festen (Vinterberg), Henry Fool or Flirt (Hartley), Underground (Kusturica), The Thin Red Line (Malick), Safe (Haynes), Short Cuts (Altman), Cremaster 2 (Barney) and Days of Being Wild (Wong) and many more i\'ve probably forgotten to mention.\r\n\r\nI haven\'t seen anything by Tarr, Hou, Tsai, Kore-eda or Godard from the 90s yet. Aside from a whole host of others.','d41b44e9ddf55e8166a4ee676872f20a',0,'','uJGZk6sU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7557,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148062320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Interesting to see you mention Cremaster 2. I thought Cremaster 3 was better, but the 2nd one is also very interesting. But I found the overall pace (compared to for example the 3rd) a bit lacking. I would have wanted much more of it!','ed2c703a507eccdccd6307822bcbf647',0,'','W1PEncmJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7558,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148290260,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Interesting, i found 3 to be quite lacking in certain areas, pace being one of them. I liked 2 because it was the hardest to place specific meaning on and because it was presented in a much less contained fashion, it moved me. The whole \"The Order\" section from 3 knocked it down in my opinion. The first half is fantastic though and i loved the destruction derby. I actually also preferred 5 to 3, but found 1 hilariously obvious. 4 is the only one i haven\'t seen. Have you seen them all? Seen Drawing Restraint 9?\r\n\r\nAlso, i couldn\'t have mentioned 3 here anyway, because it was released in the 00s.','c859624ebff2b1dbe9f737e38c81a07c',0,'','QF43JisX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7559,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148298720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','@ A\r\n\r\nI haven\'t seen four films from your list: Medem\'s \"The Lovers of the Arctic Circle\" , Kawase\'s \"Suzaku\", Murakami\'s \"Tokyo Decadence\" and Bartas\' \"Three Days\". Maybe some would make the list once I get a chance to see them. I liked \"Cyclo\" very much, but it still wouldn\'t make my list. \"Pola x\" and \"The Thin Red Line\" I didn\'t particularly care for \r\n\r\n@ Anasazie\r\n\r\nI don\'t know why I restricted myself to a conventional understanding of feature and left out non-fiction! \"Lessons of Darkness\" would have made my list too (but then what would I leave out?) I\'ve been desperate to see \"The Last Bolshevik\" for a long time. I\'ve seen three Marker films so far, and I intuitively know that the Medvedkin film will sneak into my list when I do get to see it. Your \'bubbling under\' list made me aware that I hadn\'t included Cronenberg\'s \"Crash\" and Vinterberg\'s \'Festen\" (both of which I am very fond of) in the reckoning. On second thoughts, forgetting about these made the task a shade easier Glad to see \"La Belle Noiseuse\" on your list too! Picking \"Happy Together\" over \"Days of Being Wild\" was difficult. What is intriguing about \"Happy Together\" is that it happens in Buenos Aires, but all markers of that physical space are completely erased. Buenos Aires could well be Hong Kong and is so! The two characters are so trapped in memory that real time and space are of no consequence whatsoever! I thought this remarkable film pushes the envelope much further than any of the others, and manages to pull it off with elan! \r\n\r\np.s. Why don\'t you review \"The Last Bolshevik\" on the Marker thread? Would love to know what makes you put it on your top ten 90 list. \r\n\r\nM','f7c3d2ffffd48ee8dbecd62be683068e',0,'','chLfTS9R',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7560,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148348100,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','@ Anasazie\r\n\r\nI have seen all cremaster films (in cinema ), and I would list them in order of preference:\r\n\r\nCremaster 3 (2002)\r\nCremaster 2 (1999) \r\nCremaster 5 (1997) \r\nCremaster 1 (1995) \r\nCremaster 4 (1994) \r\n\r\nI find overall Barney\'s filmmaking to be lacking in precision. His films are usually very uneven and lacking in pace. I think visually his tableaux\'s work the best, while the editing is usually also quite good. Pacing is also a problem, but for me, the longest installement was the most successful in this regard. I actually like the \"The Order\" section in Cremaster 3, and think the film holds together pretty well.\r\nAs for 1 being obvious, subtelty isn\'t exactly a trademark of Barney\'s (I would say quite the opposite), but I found the repetitious pattern and the Busby Berkley hommage acceptable. Nothing to marvel over, though.\r\nIf you haven\'t seen 4, it\'s very similar to 1, but has more food for thought to offer. But you haven\'t missed anything if you don\'t see it. I think 3 and 2 play in their own league, while 1 and 4 are still very amateurish. 5 is somewhere in between, for me.\r\nNow, if I only had only understood hungarian while watching Cremaster 5. Unfortunately I saw them all without subtitles.\r\n\r\n\r\n@madhuban\r\n\r\nYou can revise your list if you want.\r\nI always consider short or experimental films as well as documentaries when making lists. A film is a film is a film. \r\nToo bad you weren\'t amazed by Pola X or Thin red Line. I saw The thin red line in cinema for the first time in 1999, and was blown away. But I came to appreciate its full impact only after the fourth or fifth viewing last year. It is a very rich and complex film. But I usually like films with schizophrenic concepts presented well (e.g. Pola X)\r\nWhat didn\'t you like with Carax\'s effort. From the three films I\'ve seen by him, it is by far my favorite.\r\nI have seen the last Bolshevik, but while I think it\'s great, it doesn\'t come close to sans soleil or la jete imo. It\'s a bit didactic compared to Marker\'s own standards, and also simpler. But still a must-see.','19f8c4485b7d5041eca0b82ece3fac27',0,'','HDyTYZdL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7561,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148359560,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','@ Madhuban\r\n\r\nI\'d have to watch the Marker film again to write any kind of decent comments, i\'m not really into reviewing though, i kind of prefer to just be inspired for my own work. I talk about the films afterwards, but don\'t really have the time outside work to write decent reviews. I\'ll try to watch it again soon though.\r\n\r\nI like and completely agree with your comments on Happy Together, it would be my second favourite Wong Kar-Wai film. I was caught a bit off guard with the ending as i felt things were tied up a little too much and felt it was not needed. I just rate Days of Being Wild slightly higher because all in all i see at as Wong\'s most successful, i can\'t really think of elements i dislike about it and it\'s the only Wong film i could say that about. Plus, it started Wong\'s innovative career and introduced the world to the genius that is Chris Doyle.\r\n\r\nI hated Chungking!\r\n\r\n@ A.\r\n\r\nI would disagree that subtlety is not a Barney trademark, all of his work (minus Cremaster 1) is wildly ambiguous and extremely subtle in terms of the implications of his symbols. It\'s quite hard to place specific meaning on any of it.\r\n\r\nI feel like jumping up and down and screaming when someone moans about the \"pacing\" of Barney\'s work. They\'re not regular films, they\'re not Hitchcock films! Why do people place all this expectation on art as a moving image? on how it should be presented, how it should \"paced\". It\'s frustrating, would you criticise a painting for being to big? \r\n\r\nBarney\'s trying to encourage people to see not only the world, but the moving image in a different way. To be rid of this analytical thinking, this dissection of everything. Maybe you should send Barney a little book \"Hitchcock\'s guide to pacing in the cinema\" so he can better serve your expectations of how long an image should appear on the screen with his next film.\r\n\r\nIt\'s cinema as installation art, not cinema as dictation in the way it\'s usually used.','09e46a66dabf0dd7460b610c1dc269f1',0,'','jCuqvZ7a',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7562,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148360760,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Agree on you with some things, but every film has a rhythm, as films progress through time. If the director is imo unsuccessful in this way,...\r\nThere is no textbook on pacing. What has Hitchcock to do with Barney\'s films??\r\nAnd of course they are regular films. Didn\'t see anything irregular in them.\r\nWhy should he be subtle just because one cannot decode his \"symbols\" easily? I find his approach very straightforward and unsubtle - which isn\'t bad as I said before.\r\nAnd I couldn\'t see his film as installation art...\r\nWhat do you mean??','595f3d74e454df4107045bc125c725d6',0,'','sCGiDF2a',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7563,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148363820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','They\'re a showcase for all his other work. You realise he classes himself as a sculptor? It\'s best to look at the films in this way, they\'re experimental, so regular notions of pacing aren\'t really relevant.\r\n\r\nWhat part of his approach do you find straightfoward? I\'ve spoken to many artists about his work and not one person has ever come up with that judgement.\r\n\r\nAre you telling me you don\'t feel any rhythm while witnessing work like Cremaster 2, 3 & 5 or Drawing Restraint 9? The latter is all about rhythm, it\'s the films main attribute.\r\n\r\nI was referring to Hitchcock because you\'re a fan of his and his work was so formulaic and precise, the complete opposite of Barney\'s work. You\'d have to be a viewer who doesn\'t see any problem with a lack of subtlety to hold people like Alfred and Charlie in high esteem.\r\n\r\nHere\'s a definition of the word subtle:\r\n\r\n1. So slight as to be difficult to detect or describe; elusive. \r\n\r\nor\r\n\r\n2. Difficult to understand; abstruse. \r\n\r\nIf that doesn\'t describe Barney\'s work then i need to go back to school and study English.','1d995f151fece164665e2c853c1f528d',0,'','E6cPM8BQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7564,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148370840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Yes, I\'ll alter my list, because I\'ve made the most terrible faux pas I\'m so bad with dates that I forgot that one of my favourite films opened the nineties! I had to do away with \"Ulysses\' Gaze\" to make way for it. \r\n\r\nLarks On A String (Jiri Menzel)\r\nUnderground (Emir Kusturica)\r\nHappy Together (Wong Kar-Wai)\r\nGood Men, Good Women (Hou Hsiao-Hsien)\r\nClose-Up ( Abbas Kiarostami)\r\nLa Belle Noiseuse (Jacques Rivette)\r\nIrma Vep (Olivier Assayas)\r\nThe Hole (Tsai Ming Liang)\r\nDead Man (Jim Jarmusch)\r\nThe Match Factory Girl (Aki Kaurismaki)\r\n\r\nM','550dffcd9be31bdaee518fc0fe6d5a84',0,'','jFwolaNk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7565,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148372100,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Quote:They\'re a showcase for all his other work. You realise he classes himself as a sculptor? It\'s best to look at the films in this way, they\'re experimental, so regular notions of pacing aren\'t really relevant.\r\nYes, I know he doesn\'t exactly regard himself as a filmmaker, and that he has a different background, and his films being financed by art-oriented people, etc.\r\nWhat I meant by pacing weren\'t \"regular\" notions of pacing - whatever that is (I hope you are not thinking of hollywood or such), but the films own rhythm. Every film has one, and I tend not to like Barney\'s too much. But I think he is most successful with rhythm in his longest film Cremaster 3, so I think this has nothing to do with fast cutting opposed to long static shots, etc. It\'s just the intrinsic pace.\r\n\r\nStraightforward is imo his cinematic presentation in matters of technique or plot. He doesn\'t make a long approach to describe situations or use much subtext. I find him very direct. He confronts you with situations and events. They are basically what they are, not much mystery added. \r\nBut you make it sound like I don\'t like this. I\'m rather pleased with this (I think this would be something in common with Hitchcock).\r\n\r\nThe precision would be something unifying, as I think Barney is also very precise with what he does, and he also likes intercutting close-ups. And they both use formulas and their own symbols. But while Hitchcock\'s films feel enclosed to me, Barney\'s sometimes breath more freely. But again both seem to be egomaniacs. \r\n\r\nsubtle:\r\nSo slight as to be difficult to detect or describe; elusive\r\nthat may describe his ideas presented, but not his filmmaking to me (as stated above). But the value of ideas isn\'t the value of film.','d6c4acce9736caf3e043d3c1e756089c',0,'','x65y4YPo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7566,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148440380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','I\'ll follow the rules at this point to only list 10 films: films that will forever be a constant from me on such lists.\r\n\r\nin alphabetical order :\r\n\r\nCold Water (L\'Eau Froide) - Olivier Assayas / France\r\n\r\nFlowers of Shanghai (Hai Shang Hua) - Hou Hsiao-hsien / Taiwan\r\n\r\nI Cant Sleep (J\'ai Pas Sommeil) - Claire Denis / France\r\n\r\nJackie Brown - Quentin Tarantino / U.S.\r\n\r\nNaked - Mike Leigh / U.K\r\n\r\nNatural Born Killers - Oliver Stone / U.S.\r\n\r\nRed (Rouge) - Krzysztof Kieslowski / Poland-France\r\n\r\nRosetta - Jean-Pierre & Luc Dardenne / Belgium\r\n\r\nSmoke - Wayne Wang / U.S.\r\n\r\nTaste of Cherry (Ta\'m e Guilass) - Abbas Kiarostami / Iran','0667121cf84207a06fbe25acc3572066',0,'','XsYG09LC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7567,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148450400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','I suppose if you wanted to cheat like I did, it wouldn\'t matter, although I have seen your expanded list. I\'ve always been curious to your preference of Jackie Brown over Pulp Fiction. I haven\'t actually seen Jackie Brown since it was in theaters, but Pulp Fiction I\'ve probably watched 40 times and it would be in my top ten of all time, and I even preferred Reservoir Dogs to Jackie Brown. Was it anything in particular, or were the other two films too absorbed into popular culture. At least we agree on NBK.','cc94a4e166f41a14956e90b782c7921e',0,'','JawsM3fD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7568,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148453160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','If I were to list the \"next 10\", Pulp Fiction would be on it, so there\'s nothing that I dislike about it. I would say that Reservoir Dogs was perhaps, as you said, a bit too absorbed with the pop culture refs. As for Jackie Brown, I love its specificity with the performances, the language, the milieu... etc. It\'s very low-key compared to his other films, and the only one that doesn\'t feature the \"movie trailer\" moments. In that film, every nuance, gesture, dialogue hover around like smoke, gradually dissipating as if a magician was at work. (Kill Bill 2 had moments where Tarantino slowed down in a similar fashion, the reason why I prefer it to the first part.)','74c07f2e48303c74a206afa279acf515',0,'','JsxbtNnf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7569,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148470740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Perhaps I prefer the Tarantino that goes way over the top. I seem to have a similar appreciation for Spike Lee. I admire them for their operatic qualities, however I have been meaning to watch Jackie Brown again, or at least since I got it on DVD two years ago.','555bfe425c829b239b54fc4428ddf384',0,'','2kajqsVc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7570,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148478360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','I watched Jackie Brown only once, but I can understand what arsaib means. I also wonder if i wouldn\'t like it the most if i saw it again... \r\nAs of now, I\'ve seen Pulp Fiction the most, and it\'s my favorite. Reservoir Dogs is one of the best \"stage-play\" films I\'ve seen. Maybe too thick on the morals, but i also like it. I\'ve only seen Kill Bill Vol. 1 so far, and it would be the weakest of the bunch for me, though i still like it very much.\r\nI wonder what tarantino will do next. I hope for something more toned down like Jackie Brown.','c544ad2d7ac6125c702a1c688e286916',0,'','4nKfJglM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7571,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148495880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','Honestly I just hope for anything. Seemed like he was everywhere in the 90\'s, and just dropped off the face of the earth after Jackie Brown. So basically I\'ll take anything I can get from him, at least his slightly similar Mexican brother is remaining prolific.','bd97ae34f3cf017f06c90e6664426612',0,'','DFZ964sM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7572,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1157965560,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','There weren\'t many great movies in 1990\'s but here are my favourite 10:\r\n\r\n(updated since I\'ve seen great Giorgino)\r\n\r\n1. Giorgino (Laurent Boutonnat, France, 1994)\r\n2. Ridicule (Patrice Leconte, France, 1996)\r\n3. Khrustalyov, My Car! (Aleksei German, Russia, 1998 ) \r\n4. Le Parfum d\'Yvonne (Patrice Leconte, France, 1994)\r\n5. Breaking the Waves (Lars von Trier, Denmark, 1996)\r\n6. Maboroshi no hikari (Hirokazu Kore-eda, Japan, 1995)\r\n7. Abraham Valley (Manoel de Oliveira, France/Portugal, 1993)\r\n8. Seven (David Fincher, USA, 1995)\r\n9. The Thin Red Line (Terrence Malick, USA, 1998 ) \r\n10.The Wind Will Carry Us (Abbas Kioristami, Iran, 1999)\r\n\r\nClose contenders:\r\nThree Colors: Red, Summer Tale, Groundhog Day, Mother and son, After life, Double Life of Veronique, Time of a Dancer','c934187a2440fdc5e117ca54236c67e6',0,'','m6K4boQZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7573,1543,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1157992440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Ten best films of the 90\'s','You don\'t think there were many great films in the 90s? \r\nPersonally I like the 90s more than the 80s.\r\n\r\nI\'d love to see the film by German on your list. Have been hearing great things about it for years already (I think also from your posts on the old forum), but I can\'t get a subtitled copy anywhere in Germany.','cfa2182cac63a0d3294696a557d9bb34',0,'','Eu2ishfR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7574,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148363340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Top 10 of the 80s....','Again, limited to one per director, which was actually hardest for Rohmer.\r\n\r\nNot particularly comprehensive, but here goes....\r\n\r\n1. Sans soleil (1983) - Chris Marker \r\n2. L\'Argent (1983) - Robert Bresson \r\n3. Paris, Texas (1984) - Wim Wenders \r\n4. Le Rayon vert / The Green Ray (1986) - Eric Rohmer \r\n5. Nostalghia (1983) - Andrei Tarkovsky \r\n6. Sauve qui peut (la vie) / Slow Motion (1980) - Jean-Luc Godard \r\n7. Sans toit ni loi / Vagabond (1985) - Agnes Varda \r\n8. Videodrome (1983) - David Cronenberg \r\n9. Krtki film o milosci / A Short Film About Killing (1988) - Krysztof Kieslowski \r\n10. Der Siebente Kontinent / The Seventh Continent (1989) - Michael Haneke \r\n\r\nIt was hardest to leave out Come and See (Klimov), Wings of Desire (Wenders), Full Metal Jacket (Kubrick), First Name Carmen (Godard), A Short Film About Love (Kieslowski), both A Full Moon in Paris & The Aviator\'s Wife (Rohmer) and Bladerunner (Scott).\r\n\r\nWith further honorable mention going to Ariel (Kaurismaki), Carravaggio (Jarman), Chocolat (Denis), Dead Ringers (Cronenberg), Identification of a Woman (Antonioni), The King of Comedy (Scorcese), A Zed & Two Noughts (Greenaway), Down By Law (Jarmusch), Blue Velvet (Lynch), Dark Eyes (Mikhalkov), Cobra Verde (Herzog) and Hector Babenco\'s Pixote.\r\n\r\nThe biggest disappointments i\'ve had while checking out work from the 80s came in the shape of Bergman\'s Fanny & Alexander and Hou Hisiao-Hsien\'s A Time to Live & A Time to Die.\r\n\r\nBe very interested to see everyone elses lists.','0dacc77bdb9e271045a2a4a9e7c260b6',0,'','R8VSYN2a',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7575,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148368620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','Well @#%$ this already got deleted once. I\'ll play along with your rules by selecting just one per director, but I\'m going to break mine down foreign and domestic.\r\n\r\nForeign\r\n1. Berlin Alexanderplatz - Fassbinder\r\n2. Landscape in the Mist - Angelopoulus\r\n3. Ran - Kurosawa\r\n4. Wings of Desire - Wenders\r\n5. Fanny and Alexander - Bergman\r\n6. Cobra Verde - Herzog\r\n7. The Decalogue - Kieslowski\r\n8. The Cyclist - Makhmalbaf\r\n9. Akira - Otomo\r\n10. Shoah - Lanzmann\r\n\r\nDomestic\r\n1. Ordinary People - Redford\r\n2. Raging Bull - Scorsese\r\n3. The Shining - Kubrick\r\n4. A Christmas Story - Clark\r\n5. Pink Floyd\'s The Wall - Parker\r\n6. Airplane - Zucker, Abraham, Zucker\r\n7. Platoon - Stone\r\n8. Do the Right Thing - Lee\r\n9. Raising Arizona - Coen\r\n10. The Princess Bride - Reiner\r\n\r\nLots of @#%$ I wish I could have put on. Videodrome was a tough choice to exclude, as was Predator, Die Hard, Last Temptation of Christ, Paris Texas, Nostalghia, Salvador, Drowning by Numbers, Pee-Wee\'s Big Adventure, and Who Framed Roger Rabit? among many others.','a78d34220e3c0191566bf6518e3ac860',0,'','JRpqw7bN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7576,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148374920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','Yeah we had this before (I recall also the 70s and 60s?)\r\nBut for me this list has changed by now anyway. \r\nI never liked any one rule per director regulations, as I don\'t care so much about the director as for the film. So if the ten best films would actually be from one director... so be it. \r\nAnyway, this hasn\'t happened yet, as i tend to love very few films by a single director...\r\nWhat would also be important to say, is that I haven\'t revisited some of the mentioned films in a looooong time, so,... maybe I wouldn\'t rate them as high if\'d see them again. So I promise to alter the list in the future.\r\nBut enough talk, here\'s the (current) list:\r\n\r\n1. Paris, Texas (Wim Wenders / West Germany, France) \r\n2. Possession (Andrzej Zulawski / West Germany, France)\r\n3. Monsieur Hire M. Hire (Patrice Leconte / France)\r\n4. Klassenverhltnisse Class Relations (Danile Huillet, Jean-Marie Straub / West Germany, France) \r\n5. Zina (Ken McMullen / UK)\r\n6. Stranger Than Paradise (Jim Jarmusch / USA)\r\n7. Moonlighting (Jerzy Skolimowski / UK, West Germany)\r\n8. Majo no takkybin \"Kiki\'s Delivery Service\" (Hayao Miyazaki / Japan)\r\n9. Der Aufenthalt The Turning Point (Frank Beyer / East Germany)\r\n10. Tenshi no tamago Angels Egg (Mamoru Oshii / Japan) \r\n\r\n\r\nAfter trying to list only ten, I must say it was awfully difficult. Most of the films lie too close together in terms of quality, so I\'ll also list some runners-up in loose order of preference. Probably some of them will enter the list in the future...\r\n\r\nMoznosti dialogu Dimensions of Dialogue (Jan Svankmajer / Czechoslovakia), Back to the Future Part II (Robert Zemeckis / USA), Sans soleil \"Sunless\" (Chris Marker / France), The Shining (Stanley Kubrick / USA, UK), Ran (Akira Kurosawa / Japan, France), Permanent Vacation (Jim Jarmusch / USA), L\' enfant de l\'hiver Winters Child(Olivier Assayas / France), Les ministres de l\'art (Philippe Garrel / France), Kagemusha (Akira Kurosawa / Japan, France), L\' amour mort Love Unto Death (Alain Resnais / France), Back to the Future (Robert Zemeckis / USA), Scarface (Brian De Palma / USA), La pirate \"The Pirate\" (Jacques Doillon / France), Sans toit ni loi \"Vagabond\" (Agnes Varda / France, UK), The unbearable Lightness of Being (Philip Kaufman / USA), Mauvais sang The Night is young (Leos Carax / France), The Cook the Thief His Wife & Her Lover (Peter Greenaway / UK), Arousi-ye Khouban \"Marriage of the Blessed\" (Mohsen Makhmalbaf / Iran), Wu lang ba gua gun Eight Diagram Pole Fighter (Chia-Liang Liu / Hong Kong), Sign \'o\' the Times (Prince / USA), Mortelle randonne Deadly run (Claude Miller / France), Blue Velvet (David Lynch / USA), Rosa Luxemburg (Margarethe von Trotta / West Germany), The Big Red One [reconstructed version] (Samuel Fuller / USA), Conan the Barbarian (John Milius / USA), Batman (Tim Burton / USA), Diva (Jean-Jacques Beineix / France), The accidental Tourist (Lawrence Kasdan / USA), The Year of Living Dangerously (Peter Weir / Australia), Nineteen Eighty-Four (Michael Radford / UK)','e2806896a725f1969e81ecce374a8dcc',0,'','KHCwLcus',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7577,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148378820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','Have been going up the wall trying to restrict myself to ten. Extremely difficult because some of directors I like (Rohmer, Wenders) have been prolific in the 80s and turned out very good films. This is also the decade when Indian cinema, post Ray and Ghatak, has produced some of the most exciting work.\r\n\r\n1. Sans Soleil - Chris Marker\r\n2. Ashik Kerib - Sergei Parajanov \r\n3. Man of Iron - Andrzej Wajda \r\n4. A Notebook on Clothes and Cities - Wim Wenders \r\n5. Time of the Gypsies - Emir Kusturica \r\n6. The Green Ray - Eric Rohmer \r\n7. Vagabond - Agnes Varda \r\n8. Fitzcarraldo - Werner Herzog \r\n9. Om Dar-b-Dar - Kamal Swaroop \r\n10. A City of Sadness - Hou Hiao-Hsien\r\n\r\nThe ones below could well have been on the list.\r\n\r\nAmma Ariyan - John Abraham\r\nKaal Abhirati (Time Addiction) - Amitabh Chakraborty \r\nSiddeshwari - Mani Kaul\r\nTangos, the Exile of Gardel - Fernando Solanas\r\nClass Relations - Danile Huillet, Jean-Marie Straub \r\nThe Yellow Earth - Chen Kaige\r\nDo You remember Dolly Bell? - Emir Kusturica \r\nHamlet Goes Business - Aki Kaurismaki\r\nFull Moon in Paris - Eric Rohmer \r\nTokyo Ga, The State of Things and Paris/Texas - Wim Wenders \r\nTime to Live, a Time to Die - Hou Hsiao-Hsien\r\nStranger than Paradise - Jim Jarmusch\r\nVideodrome - David Cronenberg\r\nPrenom Carmen & Slow Motion - Jean-Luc Godard\r\nThe Mystery of Oberwald - Michelangelo Antonioni\r\nWhere Is My Friend\'s Home? - Abbas Kiarostami \r\nThe Cook, the Thief, His Wife and her Lover - Peter Greenaway\r\n\r\nM','5b4ddef34e67543e9c7ed64b4b168aa0',0,'','z8d6osSQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7578,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148380440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','From the ten films you listed I\'ve actually only seen 3. Besides the indian film (which I\'ve never heard of) i have seen excerpts from some of the others, but I sadly haven\'t seen them yet 8although i had some lying around on Video at some point )\r\nSome of your alternatives are also unfamiliar.\r\nSeems like you are very knowledgable on the 80s? I hope so \r\nHow about writing some words about some of the lesser known films? I always enjoy yur contributions.','4589d91534d38dd82d9e088aaa740f98',0,'','MnruLk3y',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7579,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148388480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','@ A\r\n\r\nWouldn\'t claim to be knowledgeable about the 80s or any decade whatsoever. The logic is, the further back in time one goes, there are greater possibilities of my having had a chance to see those films (since it takes about a decade for a foreign film to reach India!) \r\n\r\nI haven\'t seen quite a few films on your list too!\r\n\r\nI\'m not surprised that you haven\'t heard of Swaroop\'s film. Many cinephiles in India have never heard of it, or haven\'t seen it. There are two reasons for this - the National Film development Corporation (NFDC) that had been the primary (and the only) film funding institution, and was responsible for an outstanding crop of films till the early nineties, is virtually dead. Not only are they disinterested in releasing the films on DVD (I wonder if they have the money!), the negatives they possess are in poor condition More importantly, popular perception (even informed perception, at times) is that there is no Indian cinema after Mani Kaul that is worth talking about(who was taught by Ghatak and seen as the next great auteur), which is a blatant misconception. However, such perceptions determine what film should be restored and released on DVD. While the Buddhadeb Dasguptas and the Aparna Sens are able to network and do the international festival circuit, the more exciting filmmakers from the 70s and 80s remain unknown in their own part of the world. Even Mani Kaul\'s films haven\'t seen a DVD release. \"Kaal Abhirati\" (1989) is, perhaps, the best Bengali film made after the Ray-Ghatak period, and it is sad that most Bengalis have never seen it!\r\n\r\nI think I\'ve mentioned most of these films on the Indian cinema thread. Will try and review them. \r\n\r\nM','4871faed883b161f62fe854e134a7475',0,'','SrAUkcpt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7580,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148477280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','Well with me it\'s much worse, as I only started watching films regularly in the 90s. So from there on i know quite a bit, but the further I go back, the fewer I\'ve seen. \r\nThat\'s probably also the main reason why I am mostly watching \"older\" films all of the time \r\n\r\nSeems like the situation in India is a bit similar to the situation here in germany. Here also everybody thinks german cinema died with Rainer Werner Fassbinder, and from the 70s, most people only now Herzog and Wenders works (and maybe some Straub/Huillet and Schlndorff). When you also had here, back then even internationally known directors like Herbert Achterbusch, Hark Bohm, Bernhard Sinkel, Helmuth Costard, Hans Geissendrfer, Alexander Kluge, Reinhard Hauff, Peter lilienthal, Alexander Kluge, Edgar Reitz, Hans-Jrgen Syberberg or Werner Schroeter to name but a few. And this is only West Germany! The east had their own great directors \r\nSpeaking of the current times, this quantity and quality is imo matched, but this time there are no outstanding figures and no movement to hang the attention on (as well as not many international awards.) It is interesting to note that the \"Ne German film\" movement when it began in the early 60s wasn\'t appreciated here in Germany. It was only after they had been internationally recognized, that german critics took up their case in the 70s. \r\n\r\nWould be great to see you take some unknown Indian films under closer observation! \r\n\r\nI\'ll try to do something like that with german and Yugoslavian (slovenian) film over time (cause i have naturally access to much of it), but I\'m often a lazy bastard.','80860a767a9c1dae4e0d28befd48fb0c',0,'','nz7ygV0U',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7581,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148496120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','I have almost an opposite problem than A. I\'m very far behind on international cinema of recent decades. Primarily because everytime I try and get some films I haven\'t seen I generally try and get the earliest film I can find from a director, so I have a lot of things covered from the 50\'s, 60\'s and to a lesser extent the 70\'s, but the last couple decades I\'m in rather bad shape. Generally I think that most recent (25 years or so) of foreign films have become very Americanized, as America has culturally taken over the world it seems and Hollywood films dominate nearly every international market. On the other end I\'m in pretty good shape with almost every year of American movies.','ced828b9de347608b61d9617901adea5',0,'','srBGNwY0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7582,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148579160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','I think it\'s great that you know so much about american films.\r\nBeing proficient in at least one country or area is something I can\'t claim, yet. But your problem with recent films is starting to pop up with me from about 2003 onwards (due to my watching more older films). But I hope I\'ve caught up a bit with ths year\'s Berlinale','c0a5869629bc990378f558650fa51527',0,'','yKYfSb0N',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7583,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148581980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','@ A\r\n\r\nIronically, the german embassy in India screens Achterbusch, Sinkel, Kluge, Schroeter and Syberberg quite regularly \r\n\r\nM','c0f5aded2f8297d4ee6b10f14455f79d',0,'','piyWGEzv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7584,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148587980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','Then you have more exposure to them than people here in Germany. They get almost never screened anywhere. But if you want to see them, they are of course easier available.','e1ab08fbd3bdebd7a7d8a991e5b82cfb',0,'','BgCZhvPY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7585,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1157973960,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','Here is my list.\r\n\r\n1. Fanny and Alexander (Ingmar Bergman, Sweden, 1982)\r\n2. Nostalghia (Andrey Tarkovsky, Italy/USSR, 1983)\r\n3. Monsieur Hire (Patrice Leconte, France, 1989)\r\n4. Parade of the Planets (Vadim Abdrashitov, USSR, 1984)\r\n5. Offret (Andrey Tarkovsky, Sweden, 1986)\r\n6. Night of the Shooting Stars (Paolo and Vittorio Taviani, Italy, 1982)\r\n7. Paris, Texas (Wim Wenders, France, 1984)\r\n8. Dekalog (Krzysztof Kieslowski, Poland, 1989)\r\n9. My friend Ivan Lapshin (Aleksei German, USSR, 1984)\r\n10.Green Ray (Eric Rohmer, France, 1986)','84984d0a16dcc957d2ee6ebe85c7ec76',0,'','vbZV4XRe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7586,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1157992620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','Seems like we both have M.Hire on no. 3. \r\nCongrats. \r\n\r\nIs Parade of the Planets (Vadim Abdrashitov, USSR, 1984) a short? I recall reading about it somewhere, but have forgotten all of the information...','964c0bd92462fc9973b5fc8db383cc9f',0,'','m6ficwTv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7587,1544,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1158059520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: Top 10 of the 80s....','No, Parade of the Planets isn\'t short. Its length is 97 minutes. It is a metaphysical masterpiece from one of the most underrated Soviet directors. To retell the plot is senseless.','38aa520d5f091f9fa6a535efeb92eb40',0,'','EBzgudCm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7588,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156108980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Best Train Films','Seeing two posters on hengcs\' latest quiz reminds me how much I love train movies.\r\n\r\nThese are my favorites.\r\n\r\nThe Lady Vanishes - 1938\r\nClosely Watched Trains - 1966\r\nRunaway Train - 1985\r\nThe Train - 1964\r\nThe Station Agent - 2003 (not exactly on a train...)\r\nDead Man - 1995 (opening scene)\r\n\r\nand OF COURSE -\r\nMurder on the Orient Express -1974 (pure joy to watch!)\r\n\r\nWhat are some of your favorite train movies?\r\n\r\nSara','992377051f089c93125d3a850e512f2d',0,'','w0JSbH1G',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7589,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156117560,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Best Train Films','Nice thread, Sara. \r\n\r\nMy additions:\r\n\r\nStrangers on a Train (1951)\r\nThe General (1927)\r\nPlanes, Trains, and Automobiles (1997)\r\nNight Train to Munich (1940)\r\nBefore Sunrise (1995) (opening/ending)\r\nMission: Impossible (1996) (ditto)','76b40122d864a44197c6c8c804713655',0,'','T2Kmsn3V',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7590,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156119660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Best Train Films','I once did a wind-up list of the best 100 films involving trains at imdb (wind-up in response to some latest dumb AFI list) but it was virtually ignored.\r\n\r\nO.k, getting back on track:\r\n\r\nBest Train films:\r\n\r\nThe General\r\nShanghai Express\r\nClosely Observed Trains\r\nThe Train\r\nLa Bete Humaine\r\nBefore Sunrise\r\nThe Railway Children\r\nSilver Streak\r\nStrangers on a Train\r\nThe Lady Vanishes\r\nNight Mail\r\nArrival of a Train\r\nVon Ryan\'s Express\r\n\r\nInvolving trains:\r\n\r\nL\'Avventura\r\nPather Panchali\r\nNorth by Northwest\r\nSome Like it Hot\r\nLetter from an Unknown Woman\r\nLate Spring (+ others by Ozu)\r\nUlysses\' Gaze\r\nOnce upon a Time in the West\r\nLawrence of Arabia\r\nMadame de\r\nThe Wild Bunch\r\nInnocence\r\nThe Conformist\r\nThe Sheltering Sky\r\nThe 39 Steps\r\nLandscape in the Mist\r\nLe Plaisir\r\nBallad of a Soldier\r\nHigh and Low\r\nThe Untouchables\r\nSecret Dfense\r\nDead Man\r\nOur Hospitality\r\nThe American Friend\r\nPalm Beach Story\r\nDoctor Zhivago\r\nVoyage beyond the Impossible\r\nHeaven\'s Gate\r\nBerlin: Symphony of a Great City\r\nEuropa\r\n\r\nLean + Hitch obviously liked trains- bit of a British thing\r\n\r\nI\'ll have to give the subject more thought again\r\n\r\nI thought Murder on the Orient Express was a disappointment considering the talented cast; strange Finney accent!','636dcb1d3182cfb5f08aedae986232fb',0,'','ER4m1rTu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7591,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156123080,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: Best Train Films','arsaib4, and jcdavies,\r\n\r\nI forgot all about Strangers on a Train. What a delight.\r\n\r\nAs for Murder on the Orient Express, it held me spellbound. And the music as the train took off was absolutely wonderful.\r\n\r\nSara','73f76bf858c13741574369a2521efb2b',0,'','A0dqjoVw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7592,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156145460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best Train Films','I\'ll add Carlito\'s Way and A Hard Days Night to the list. Also quite a memorable train scene towards the end of Coming to America.','60294bb957afb04884f400f5245cf179',0,'','NUdeQ9bq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7593,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156189140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Best Train Films','My favorite train-scenes would be (the one\'s I remember ):\r\n\r\nLa Bete Humaine\r\nDead Man\r\nBallad of a Soldier\r\nThe General\r\nThe Station Agent\r\nThe Great K&A Train Robbery\r\n\r\nI really love trains, btw, especially the old ones from the 19th century.','36d9905393cba9c1e80ebcb7dd67d3ae',0,'','06omrpY1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7594,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156203180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Best Train Films','Oh yes, that reminds me; i enjoyed The First Great Train Robbery with Sean Connery','57289f2900ee12db6325966612d1b8ec',0,'','hCsGDoeQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7595,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156209180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Best Train Films','Heh, I liked that film too, but your mention of it reminded me of some great train scenes in Herbert Ross\' The Seven-Per-Cent Solution. Sherlock Holmes like you\'ve never seen him before. \r\nBut that scene in The First Great Train Robbery where Connery silently stabs his victim in the back is still sending chills down my spine...','de14b33a191792c2b44a6a6dfb4fbae4',0,'','laB52E4y',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7596,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156222320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hengcs','Re: Best Train Films','hey, \r\ni suddenly recall there are a number of train scenes in this film ...\r\n\r\nA World Without Thieves ...','de6a0cb6c316ae67bad04a3c078966ef',0,'','F0oKZsJi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7597,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1156858320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Best Train Films','In Cloud Capped Star, a train features in several key scenes, once right at the start of the film where its whistle provides an accompaniment to the singing, twice later the whistle is used to smother two very personal and key conversations to great effect, leaving the audience unaware of what has transpired.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','4232bb7866c71c9a23026c2ba7c05387',0,'','Ng5P6rqK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7598,1545,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1157213340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Best Train Films','Ah yes, thanks for reminding me; and of course it reminded at once of Pather Panchali!? Though Ghatak, as you say, makes very different use; his use of sound is innovative and striking. With Ray, there was that wonderful lyricism and sense of innocence, young wonderment at this great rare urban machine.','1ed53948c1b5238652d8093443106d7e',0,'','9SQ1iKFp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7599,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148201760,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Best ever - What the fimmakers think','Wjile surfing on the net for over 12 hours in a row - I admit it\'s great sitting in front of your own PC again - I encountered this interesting list.\r\nI\'m sure some of you may already be familiar with it, but for those of you who aren\'t, here it is.\r\nSight and Sound asked dozens of filmmakers for their personal Top Ten lists and got plenty of answers.\r\nBut let me warn you, that no big revelations are to come. It\'s usually standard stuff (like all of our lists ):\r\n\r\nwww.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/topten/poll/list.php?list=voters&votertype=director','b68b757b194fac75fa96c0515e1d3983',0,'','dwsVRD1m',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7600,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148251740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','I went through almost all of them. I did some 20 page term paper on the last Sight and Sound Poll, so I\'m rather familiar with almost everyone\'s choices. Still fascinating to look at though.','981c1dc6298d6154d15cf12c8c21ac3c',0,'','2jwlUXiM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7601,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148262960,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','Yet I found some unique lists, but rather from critics than directors. Interesting to find this out. I would have thought it to be otherwise. But Tarantino had a fine list','9e526dd3073385bd234c1e8f0dbc179a',0,'','HXKgFYQa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7602,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148290440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','Quote:But Tarantino had a fine list\r\n\r\nPlease can i make a comment, please........ it\'s like your asking me too......','f10d00d23304a9309aa43c7ed2091f27',0,'','UX3YhBgR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7603,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148299020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','I keep looking up this list quite often. And though I\'m not a great Loach fan, his list is after my heart - two Formans and the gem from Menzel \r\n\r\nM','53dc46ec63fe79d482028e5cb0515352',0,'','wbULMoZ4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7604,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148323320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','I must have to agree with Anasazie on this one. Tarantino\'s list has a couple of good films, but yeah can\'t say it exactly falls with my tastes, but on the other hand nothing is really surprising. Michael Haneke\'s list looks like it could just as easily be Anasazie\'s list.\r\n\r\nApparently Iain Softley and I have the most similar tastes. Now if I could just find out who the hell Iain Softley is I might find a worthwhile filmmaker (or at least a likeminded one).','61e01c8c4fc68788df30e9a779d31810',0,'','0Mte47di',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7605,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148323440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','Spoke too soon. I\'ve seen two films from Softley, one was the (at the time) entertaining Hackers with a pre-famous Angelina Jolie. The other was his first film, Backbeat which I\'ve always loved, and which features one hell of a performance by Stephen Dorff.','6ab7c8c8fe23c3ba143a420133c672f4',0,'','i32EtzxH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7606,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148325180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','Wow.\r\n\r\nTarantino\'s list is HORRIBLE.','248f76272751b90894f2ee6c43b897fa',0,'','bqvZu6EP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7607,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148326440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','@ Don Lope de Aguirre\r\n\r\n(\"Wow\" followed by \"horrible\" in caps)\r\n\r\nI think he purposefully put together such a list. He\'s a bit of a showman and likes shocking people. I don\'t think anybody would take such a list seriously!\r\n\r\nM','b5a6ad55231dc3a0064ca5810953f2c3',0,'','D6SG4tUo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7608,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148348700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','I like Tarantino\'s list, because it is very individual (haven\'t seen all of the films mentioned). I can\'t believe everybody has such similar taste in films. With the other filmmakers it seems often like \"how do I sound more credible\", than YOUR ten best films ever. I mean if I would send such a list, it would contain the ten best films I\'ve seen, no matter how \"ridiculous\" it might appear to others.\r\nAs for Iain Softley. He seems to have good taste, but his own films don\'t show it (like with many filmmakers ). So far I have seen Hackers (pretty bad), Wings of the Dove (interesting) and K-Pax (messy, but has interesting bits as well as Jeff Bridges ). I can\'t say he\'s a filmmaker to look out for, or one I care for making more films.','1dbccc70d1fd1bb98f2fae1aacb69fdb',0,'','7bfdQhVg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7609,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148359140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','@ Mad....\r\n\r\nI\'m not so sure about your comments on Quentin. He makes pretty bad films and \"homages\" pretty bad films so i\'m sure they really are his 10 favourites.\r\n\r\n@ A...\r\n\r\nEverybody\'s list is individual! Do you like everybody\'s list for the same reason?\r\n\r\n@ WP.\r\n\r\nNone of Haneke\'s choices would be on my list as I\'d punt for different films by Rossellini, Tarkovsky, Bresson, Pasolini, Cassavetes & Bunuel. Nothing by Hitchcock or Chaplin would be close.\r\n\r\nI\'m always going on about the Bresson influence in Haneke and it\'s nice to see i\'ve been very right all along.\r\n\r\n@ everybody.\r\n\r\nLet\'s remember that film-makers are walkers and not talkers so there lists wouldn\'t be anywhere near as comprehensive the critics\'\r\n\r\nI like Clara Law\'s and Ann Hui\'s though.','f540f8a975abfbc6faa8dbc57d88e4b7',0,'','htUedfQn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7610,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1154943660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','No surprise QT\'s list is quite trashy.\r\n\r\nA pity S+S polled such a high percentage of (often 3rd-rate) British and American directors, overlooked the list of international directors i sent them to try! They were keeping to their own list, don\'t know how it was compiled, but lots of notable absentees; i\'d have been especially interested to see a 10 by Manoel de Oliveira. And the curent views of the old French new wave stalwarts like Rivette, Rohmer and Godard who of course all really know their international cinema, whereas with many directors polled- as Anasazie says- that\'s probably not the case. Satyajit Ray and Mizoguchi are sadly under-represented in US directors\' lists.','50501429c18327e69d380e1c7f71f8e7',0,'','zBGaWRpt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7611,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1155001860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'collectedsoul','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','What is so special about Raging Bull...I\'ve never quite understood all the acclaim...I didnt even manage to sit through the whole thing. There was nothing very compelling about the character. Is it because its an American black and white in the time of colour?','39085cca49668c6a68073cb9b09087cf',0,'','FqfV6SPQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7612,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1155011880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','Oh good lord. Raging Bull is not only exemplary as a textbook highwater mark of method acting, it is also a marvel of cinematic ingenuity. The exaggerated and expersionistic sound effects, the alternating styles in every fight, and just the absolute disintigration of the one time great. I\'ve seen it three times at least and think it a masterpiece and quite possibly Scorsese\'s best (which is saying a lot considering my near obsession with his work). De Niro alone is worth sitting through ALL of the movie. It does help if you\'re into boxing as well.','46793e6eec6f3784768181b85a7ec4ce',0,'','DMHX5nkx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7613,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1155133560,1,0,1,1,1,1,'collectedsoul','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','nah...cinematic ingenuity cannot cover up for a dull story of a boxer\'s demise...besides i have a low opinion of the \'sport\' of boxing which is why I couldnt begin to care about the character...and it was a very character driven film.','601ddb8179f76fd39eb32b65bd6d962c',0,'','hkB3Z8WD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7614,1546,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1155145860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best ever - What the fimmakers think','Well then we\'ll have to disagree then.','8a8abc656154afd29380811d542477e6',0,'','6goslHtp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7615,1547,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146673200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Unregistered(d)','Shakespeare films?','\r\nWhich films are must see adaptations, and which ones are not worth the bother? \r\nEnglish language + foreign?','a1a5543cf5a08fadbe675f559452e57c',0,'','aDrsGkHX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7616,1547,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146683580,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Shakespeare films?','I was about to put down a long list of \"must-see\" Shakespeareana when I had this wild idea. The order is very important here.\r\n\r\n1. Olivier\'s \"Hamlet\" followed by Kaurismaki\'s \"Hamlet Goes Business\" \r\n2. Kozintsev\'s \"King Lear\" followed by Kurosawa\'s \"Ran\" followed by Godard\'s \"King Lear\"\r\n3. Kurosawa\'s \"Throne of Blood\" followed by Polanski\'s \"Macbeth\" followed by Vishal Bharadwaj\'s \"Maqbool\"\r\n4. Jarman\'s \"The Tempest\" followed by Greenaway\'s \"Prospero\'s Books\"\r\n\r\nM','f8fbccda46ffae876407f84ad183d932',0,'','nt7g0c8T',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7617,1547,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146704760,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Shakespeare films?','I second Madhuban\'s #1, 2, and 3.','f48d86b1d82bf7c3c653c6bcf1717f07',0,'','y0M6AQFL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7618,1547,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146709800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Shakespeare films?','I\'d also suggest Hamlet by Kenneth Branagh (1996). But you have to watch the full 4 hour version, of course!\r\nMaybe you can put it between Olivier\'s and Kaurismki\'s.','2580c6dd49f92ebeb04a2206a5a0ddc6',0,'','Hd1ZPE0U',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7619,1547,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146857880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Shakespeare films?','I preferred Brannagh\'s Henry V to Olivier\'s. As for Olivier I\'d strongly recommend Richard III, it\'s shot like a cheap stage production, but the acting is the best Olivier\'s ever done on screen. \r\n\r\nI haven\'t actually seen Welles\' Macbeth, but I did love his Othello, and flawed as it might be, his Chimes at Midnight is worth checking out (if you can find the damn thing).\r\n\r\nNow I might get flack for this but @#%$ it, I loved Franco Zefferelli\'s Romeo and Juliet (1968), it is by far my favorite Shakespeare adaptation.\r\n\r\nAs for the don\'t bother section. Avoid at all costs the 1935 Warner Bros. production of a Midsummer Night\'s Dream, an abysmally bad Mickey Rooney makes the case for the worst performance in film, let alone the worst in a Shakespeare story.','eb848a07ad734ad0d0ab4d2db2c90e0a',0,'','gwldsJWE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7620,1547,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1154943060,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: Shakespeare films?','Othello (Welles)\r\nKing Lear (Kozintsev)\r\nThrone of Blood (Kurosawa)\r\nRan (Kurosawa)\r\nHamlet (Olivier)\r\nTitus (Taymor)\r\nHenry V (Branagh)\r\n+ \r\nProspero\'s Books (Greenaway) is an interesting take on The Tempest.','f71ee22ef2e0250a64555a72daf2ee80',0,'','hfrY9sKT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7621,1547,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1155003240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'collectedsoul','Re: Shakespeare films?','Wonder if any of you have seen two recent Indian films - both by director Vishal Bharadwaj - one of them \'Maqbool\' is based on Macbeth and the other just released \'Omkara\' based on Othello. Just saw Omkara a few days back...quite liked it in the end...it has some of the excesses given to Bollywood films but surprisingly these excesses work quite well given that it is a Shakespeare tragedy and the setting is so colourful - the film is set in UP - in the midst of a corrupt and violent region.','97ea7b9a6ed0f07cadd8b069e0e0f28f',0,'','hzDJlCBa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7622,1548,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1153237620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','How to be a film buff (according to the Radio Times)','The Radio Times is published by the BBC and is the longest running and most respected TV/Radio guide in the UK. Obviously this list is not meant to be taken too seriously but according to the article, these are the 25 movies (plus alternatives) you need to see to be a film buff.\r\n\r\nOriginal list by Radio Times film editor Andrew Collins.\r\n\r\n1. Casablanca (1942)\r\nor Citizen Kane (1941)\r\n\r\n2. The Cabinet of Dr Caligari (1919)\r\nor Nosferatu, a Symphony of Horrors (1922)\r\n\r\n3. Blade Runner (1982)\r\nor 2001: A Space Odyssey (196 \r\n\r\n4. A Matter of Life and Death (1946)\r\nor The Red Shoes (194 \r\n\r\n5. Build My Gallows High (1947)\r\nor The Big Sleep (1946)\r\n\r\n6. La Dolce Vita (1960)\r\nor Bicycle Thieves (194 \r\n\r\n7. High Noon (1952)\r\nor The Searchers (1956)\r\n\r\n8. Rear Window (1954)\r\nor Psycho (1960)\r\n\r\n9. The Hidden Fortress (195 \r\nor Rashomon (1950)\r\n\r\n10. Bonnie and Clyde (1967)\r\nor Easy Rider (1969)\r\n\r\n11. Bringing up Baby (193 \r\nor His Girl Friday (1939)\r\n\r\n12 The Hills Have Eyes (1977)\r\nor The Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)\r\n\r\n13. Un Chien Andalou (192 \r\nor LAge dOr (1930)\r\n\r\n14. Armageddon (199 \r\nor Con Air (1997)\r\n\r\n15. Heavens Gate (1980)\r\nor Dances With Wolves (1990)\r\n\r\n16. Annie Hall (1977)\r\nor Manhattan (1979)\r\n\r\n17. Singin in the Rain (1952)\r\nor An American in Paris (1951)\r\n\r\n18. Paths of Glory (1957)\r\nor A Few Good Men (1992)\r\n\r\n19. Performance (1970)\r\nor Blowup (1966)\r\n\r\n20. Bride of Frankenstein (1935)\r\nor Dracula (1931)\r\n\r\n21. Blackboards (2000)\r\nor The Apple (199 \r\n\r\n22. The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)\r\nor Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)\r\n\r\n23. Pulp Fiction (1994)\r\nor Reservoir Dogs (1991)\r\n\r\n24. Shoah (1985)\r\nor Nuit et Brouillard (1955)\r\n\r\n25. Winter Light (1962)\r\nor The Silence (1963)\r\n\r\nQuite interesting though Im sure most of us would create quite different listings. \r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','d10932bcb263a1668788656a915f8bc3',0,'','XHEVCxS1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7623,1548,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1153248180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: How to be a film buff (according to the Radio Times)','Jesus Con Air and Armageddon? Well there\'s no accounting for taste.\r\n\r\nIn case anyone else has a similar confusion Build My Gallows High was released in the US as Out of the Past.','58098315ba4059ab7cf342d51bfae8b3',0,'','ctgdUxmZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7624,1548,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1153248720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: How to be a film buff (according to the Radio Times)','There are a few I\'d instantly dispose of on the list but I guess it\'s aimed at the masses, even so Star Wars 1V would have made a better impression than Armageddon. I also think too many of the alternatives were very obvious.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','85e388f3da276a1f6113a2ae88d24b5d',0,'','Rmz3kayt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7625,1548,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1153272420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: How to be a film buff (according to the Radio Times)','Perhaps their justification was that being a film buff means you can\'t be a film snob, so you have to sit through many pieces of @#%$ (which would also explain The Hills Have Eyes and A Few Good Men)','eb7aed7f4f239ecfb3179c1f98d48c33',0,'','VXqZwRKu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7626,1548,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1153513380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: How to be a film buff (according to the Radio Times)','By film buff, they probably mean somebody who has seen a lot of films from a lot of \"areas\".\r\nIf somebody told me he knows all of these 50 films, I would probably think him very knowledgable at first. In this way it works.','66182c65d71b28d09874f2c6c5df6823',0,'','ib4P9j0Q',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7627,1548,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1153525980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: How to be a film buff (according to the Radio Times)','Only 46 for me, but its not like any of these films are remotely difficult to find.','e063813aedede063a7cc24d49dd405d3',0,'','7arFhyYC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7628,1548,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1153527180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: How to be a film buff (according to the Radio Times)','May I be the first to say I\'ve seen all the films listed, certainly not proud of the fact (considering there\'s a couple of clunkers in the list that I would never watch again).\r\n\r\nI\'m surprised you haven\'t watched them all wpqx, which haven\'t you seen? As you say though, they\'re not exactly difficult to get hold of.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','85c392ea7fca198c4d7f443dd3352e88',0,'','yuhbDF31',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7629,1548,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1153544340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: How to be a film buff (according to the Radio Times)','The Apple\r\nHeaven\'s Gate\r\nArmageddon\r\nThe Hills Have Eyes\r\n\r\nNow Heaven\'s Gate and The Apple I certainly plan on viewing, I was waiting for the director\'s cut of Heaven\'s Gate, and I\'m not sure if the Apple is out on DVD yet, which was why I didn\'t see it previously. The Hills Have Eyes and Armageddon I have no real burning desire to see, but I can see myself sitting through Wes Craven\'s film.','a926b696d6ca7199d2870769d50778c0',0,'','wbT1P2fW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7630,1548,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1153611720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: How to be a film buff (according to the Radio Times)','Congrats Trevor.\r\nI haven\'t seen quite a few of these films, but then I\'m probably not a typical movie fan (as probably no one on this site is ):\r\n\r\nA Matter of Life and Death (1946)\r\nThe Red Shoes (1949)\r\nBuild My Gallows High (1947)\r\nThe Hidden Fortress (1956)\r\nThe Hills Have Eyes (1977)\r\nThe Texas Chain Saw Massacre (1974)\r\nHeavens Gate (1980)\r\nA Few Good Men (1992)\r\nPerformance (1970)\r\nBlackboards (2000)\r\nThe Apple (199 \r\nThe Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)\r\nInvasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)\r\nShoah (1985)\r\nNuit et Brouillard (1955)\r\nWinter Light (1962)\r\n\r\nApropos Armageddon: I saw it quite recently a couple of months ago, and liked it a lot. Actually, I don\'t want to start any discussions right now, and I wasn\'t sure if I should mention it. But it would have come out anyway, when I will finally update my viewing logs for the past months. \r\nMaybe I will become a Michael bay fan?','d858d6be5f23225f4c5b8652d77aa45b',0,'','GPjyu6fL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7631,1548,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1154942400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jcdavies','Re: How to be a film buff (according to the Radio Times)','Well, i\'ve not seen The Hills have Eyes, and only bits of Armageddon (not my thing). Andrew Collins is a nice unpretentious guy but i hardly think his 25 (50) will make sudden experts of the RT readers- unless perhaps they study the films as carefully as Welles did Stagecoach before making Kane. A pity that while the usual world cinema suspects Kurosawa, Bergman and Fellini are (quite rightly) present and correct, the very greatest directors- Mizoguchi, Tarkovsky, Renoir, Ozu- are absent. AC\'s list is still too Anglocentric for my liking, but as an intro i suppose it\'s passable, especially given that the Beeb has pretty well given up on world cinema.','5ee0cbc4261214670a854f9aef3c7b34',0,'','Hx2PZsNr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7632,1549,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152449940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','10 of the best - Juliette Binoche','10 of the best - Juliette Binoche in leading roles.\r\n\r\nBy release date.\r\n\r\nCach (2005)\r\nCode Unknown (2000)\r\nLa Veuve de Saint-Pierre (2000)\r\nLes Enfants du sicle (1999)\r\nAlice et Martin (199 \r\nThe English Patient (1996)\r\nThree Colours Blue (1993)\r\nLes Amants du Pont-Neuf (1991)\r\nThe Unbearable Lightness of Being (198 \r\nRendez-vous (1985)\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','5fa7d0226da05e4c7f1b44abaf75eb90',0,'','H4ml291s',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7633,1549,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152469620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: 10 of the best - Juliette Binoche','Well, I picked the ten films in which I liked my favorite actress the most, if she had a leading role or not. \r\nHope this isn\'t a problem, Trev. \r\n\r\nRanked by personal preference of her performance (boy, this was hard!):\r\n\r\n1. Le hussard sur le toit The Horseman on the Roof (Jean-Paul Rappeneau / 1995)\r\n2. Damage (Louis Malle / 1992)\r\n3. The English Patient (Anthony Minghella / 1996)\r\n4. The Unbearable Lightness of Being (Philip Kaufman / 198 \r\n5. La Vie de famille Family Life (Jacques Doillon / 1985) \r\n6. Chocolat (Lasse Hallstrm / 2000)\r\n7. Code inconnu: Rcit incomplet de divers voyages Code Unknown: Incomplete Tales of Several Journeys (Michael Haneke / 2000)\r\n8. Trois couleurs: Bleu Three Colors: Blue (Krzysztof Kieslowski / 1993)\r\n9. Les Amants du Pont-Neuf The Lovers on the Bridge (Leos Carax / 1991) \r\n10. Mauvais sang The Night is young (Leos Carax / 1986)','0bd2cf106676efdca105213a0e3664fa',0,'','aTZg0JkL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7634,1549,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152470100,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: 10 of the best - Juliette Binoche','Thank\'s A, you\'ve seen a few I havent plus a couple I haven\'t seen for a very long time (making it unfair to judge them). It\'s astounding how much depth she had as an actress, even at a young age. The highlight (in my opinion) so far is \"Three Colours Blue\" and it\'s great to see that she\'s still going strong.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','c87424f34d758e51379079a2a25d159d',0,'','vGtpTsi8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7635,1549,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152471000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: 10 of the best - Juliette Binoche','I also haven\'t seen some on your list \r\nYes, I think she was as good as an actress when she was young as she is now. Good instincts, I guess though she has improved on her technique tremendeously (see her great performance in Cach). I don\'t consider Three colors: blue as highly as most others, as I don\'t like the character too much, and the performance was at times too intimate/personal (not a performance anymore) while I felt that she held too much back in other scenes. I liked the restrained \"touch\" much more in \"The Horseman on the roof\".','d716d7d3cf4a0accebcbd9e50a1c2529',0,'','NAy3g2Tw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7636,1549,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152484860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: 10 of the best - Juliette Binoche','I\'ve only seen about 10 films of her\'s so a list of this kind from me would be rather useless. There are a few on both of your lists that are in my \"to look for\" list. On a completely different note, I did hear that Kino will be releasing a Michael Haneke collection later this year which will basically consist of all his films already on DVD, but in one nice little boxed set.','1e147a2f7f6792095f74a88acc5c64cf',0,'','34gVTEHz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7637,1549,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152494580,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: 10 of the best - Juliette Binoche','Kino did recently release a Michael Haneke \"4-Pack\" which includes The Seventh Continent, Benny\'s V, 71 Fragments of a Chronology of Chance and Funny Games. Only Funny Games was available previously. I wasn\'t aware of an all-encompassing boxset.','486dda2dff7a3506049c634f0df6e926',0,'','gT7Eyxue',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7638,1549,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152513360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: 10 of the best - Juliette Binoche','I read in the Tribune that they\'re putting one together for the end of the year, which will include everything but Cache I believe.','b14b36250bb33ccedb3e051c0920ba08',0,'','VXuBo2f7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7639,1549,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152921120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: 10 of the best - Juliette Binoche','Re: The English Patient, that brings back some memories, there was a part where the vehicle rolls down a sand dune and somebody weny flying off. My sons (obviously a lot younger then) found it so amusing that they rewound the tape around five or six tiimes to watch it again. I don\'t think I ever got to see the end of the film after that. \r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','adda241d2d96f8c99f7cdcdda9d6d801',0,'','swlmZ4gq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7640,1549,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152941400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: 10 of the best - Juliette Binoche','Yeah, I remember it quite well. It\'s one of those sequences that garner unintentional laughs from just about everyone. Some might say that The English Patient had a few of \'em, but I certainly won\'t be among them.','8b886577e0ef7c42a49655328f61651d',0,'','NAfDWTa8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7641,1549,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152979440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: 10 of the best - Juliette Binoche','I felt absolutely nothing for the English Patient, and only watched it as part of my Oscar research, but I think 1996 was a weak year in general for fictional American movies. However even critically Fargo should have been the choice for best picture, but the Coen\'s were no match for the hype machine of Miramax and their relentless pursuit of Oscar gold. As always though, anything with Willem Dafoe is worth watching (except for maybe Speed 2).','9b57ef5363a30566d0060f85119f25a8',0,'','PXAq5RkM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7642,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143958800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Favorite American film?','Mine is between these 5:\r\n\r\nDead Man (Jarmusch)\r\nThe Godfather (Coppola)\r\nApocalypse Now (Coppola)\r\nChinatown (Polanski)\r\nOnce Upon a Time in America (Leone)\r\n\r\nI\'m leaning towards Dead Man, but those other four are hard to leave out. \r\n\r\nHave yet to see a Cassavetes film.','424f04c013cbd0b3a2aed977ddbc7954',0,'','t8qlASNP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7643,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144041000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Favorite American film?','Directed by an American or mostly funded by Americans?\r\n\r\nIf it\'s the former then i\'d punt for Faces.','50fe91ec54ee2556b2df3ba748ad3775',0,'','zgCSl8Fq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7644,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144043580,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Favorite American film?','Directed by an American.','4ce66a66be23f367c732e18bb0f1daf4',0,'','ohmw7frx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7645,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144043640,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Favorite American film?','After 10 mins of though, it\'d probably be the same answer anyway.\r\n\r\nNeither Leone nor Polanski are A-merican though.','56b598d227ede7a1c20bd26aeb90d31a',0,'','vJdfgQ1c',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7646,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144044120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Favorite American film?','Ehhh, you\'re right. Both films are in English though, and I believe both were released in American theatres before any other country. Not too sure though.\r\n\r\nJust, whatever you think is an American film, you can choose.','e274267e1de3db34bbc23bad685639b2',0,'','lcGaheLv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7647,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144046460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Favorite American film?','Cool, still the same answer','a84a477bdaf2238b0f6ce41fc23e3cfd',0,'','UywFvcnz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7648,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144046640,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Favorite American film?','I\'ll have to watch Faces then.','2cc5a5beb693af5ceb474a34a57c7466',0,'','TYUfkzAD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7649,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144118580,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Favorite American film?','A Woman Under the Influence would get my vote for Cassavettes best (sorry if misspelled). As for your question, I\'d go for the obvious Citizen Kane, which meets both your criteria.','4b0bf383e498e2194439a2abbb76ef8b',0,'','CaBryqLk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7650,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144120500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Favorite American film?','Woman is generally the most highly regarded Cassavetes work, unfortunately again due to it being his most accessible.','200ed92a80e3eb5780627ca1027384c4',0,'','6XFBt47s',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7651,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144841700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Favorite American film?','I\'m partial to Rushmore.','9757f8b3a068d105a25957780ccbb515',0,'','PULW2sKp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7652,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144866480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Favorite American film?','Accessible or not, I loved it. I found Faces to be a bit of a mess, great potential but wound up being too much yelling and not enough purpose. The day will certainly come when I\'ll watch it again, and it may produce a different reaction, but I\'ve generally enjoyed Cassavettes acting roles more. As a companion piece though I enjoyed Shadows a lot more, seemed freer to me, and more significant in terms of the type of film he made there. Faces came out in 1968 when many other, and imo better, independent and artistic movies were being released.','7c567dbe8a7ba604f390f91a0a5023da',0,'','RjbYWkp6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7653,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1145913780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Favorite American film?','Dead Man (1995 / Jim Jarmusch)','d15bfc0ea172e4e2aeb49c09db24b32d',0,'','sP7k284i',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7654,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146086640,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Favorite American film?','We are in complete agreement, A.','1b3ab6704017842f79542d1c637fd214',0,'','jnipTckz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7655,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146109980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Favorite American film?','WP\r\n\r\nFaces is wiser than Shadows. I agree with your comment about Shadows feeling \"freer\", but people aren\'t free, they\'re trapped inside this society and their interactions with it and Faces protrays this truer than any film i\'ve seen. Life is a mess, people are a mess, interactions are a mess, they\'re not nicely packaged like a lot of the cinema you seem to be into is. There\'s so much sadness, so much desperation, so much ugliness in that film. Yet every character is screaming for some kind of freedom. It\'s spot on. People spend 10 years in university studying for psychology doctorates apparantly because they\'re interested in human behaviour even though most of them hardly have any interactions with the people they\'re \"studying\", but that\'s another issue, anyway my point is that they\'ll learn more about the nature of human interactions from a John Cassavetes film than they ever could attending those institutions.','e16c48f3576246c8b2176bdd44f45302',0,'','8f3q4cjL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7656,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146168180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Favorite American film?','Good point, though i haven\'t seen any of the films (or by Cassavettes for that case). \r\nI overall tend to like \"freer\" films, but my absolute favorites are usually about people struggling against human (society\'s) restrictions. If they fail or succeed on the outside isn\'t very important. What is, is the importance of such a struggle. Because freedom can only be achieved inwardly, and its results can never be final. See for example most (if not all) of my top 20 films for examples of \r\nsuccess in the struggle for it (Dead Man, Eureka),\r\nfailure (The mother and the whore, Barry Lyndon)\r\nboth and neither (Black god white devil)\r\nsometimes the protagonists aren\'t aware of it (Tokyo Decadence)\r\nor sometimes a filmmaker tries to expose the whole @#%$ and give us new hope - death and rebirth (2001 - a space odyssey)\r\nor he wants us to do something about it, here and now (Zabriskie point)\r\nBut luckily, though this struggle is intrinsic in our nature as human beings, the achievemnt of freedom is even more so regarding the universe. The whole process of change is a process o freeing oneself from what came before. So for me all this films also give an incredible hope, and a strength for my own life.','e8378b7b3bb50e1fe9f4dce217a7a857',0,'','Lec5k9uo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7657,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146195540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Favorite American film?','Nice comments A. I agree with all that. There is an absolutely amazing moment of freedom in Faces which completely blew me away, breath-taking and exhilirating. I won\'t say to much because i don\'t want to ruin it. But check it out!','7e975971baa0459adf1debc399df04a8',0,'','Lpw3lfoK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7658,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146197700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Favorite American film?','Thanks. Yeah I\'ve read some pretty good pieces on Cassavettes and especially on the different versions of \"Shadows\", but he doesn\'t seem to be available much here in Germany (dubbed yes, but that is not an issue).\r\nI\'m probably more surprised that I haven\'t seen a film by Cassavettes yet, than anybody else.','979b2be262fbb5786e728052116812ca',0,'','V6aSbpex',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7659,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152762240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Favorite American film?','1.Sunrise\r\n2.Greed\r\n3.The Wild Bunch\r\n4.Some Like It Hot\r\n5.Killer Of Sheep\r\n6.On The Waterfront\r\n7.The Searchers\r\n8.Magnificent Ambersons\r\n9.The Killers\r\n10 Force Of Evil\r\n& lots & lots more','3acb4f29078bfbb16c19c8e70ec2a440',0,'','rLpCPgow',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7660,1550,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152765060,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Favorite American film?','I\'m almost surprised you didn\'t include Renoir\'s The Southerner in your list (just figured any excuse for Renoir). I\'m still patiently waiting for Milestone to clear the rights to Burnett\'s Killer of Sheep and put it out on a proper DVD before I see it, but my expecations couldn\'t possibly be higher for it. I know a few people who are quite fond of The Magnificent Ambersons, but care to interject as to why you find it better than other Welles films, particularly Kane and Touch of Evil?','28d3274b7ba749398832ee5a2263d964',0,'','WGU0D5oq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7661,1551,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152469740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','10 of the best - Emmanuelle Bart','10 of the best - Emmanuelle Bart in leading roles.\r\n\r\nBy release date.\r\n\r\nHistoire de Marie et Julien (2003)\r\nStrayed / Les gars (2003)\r\n8 femmes (2002)\r\nLes Destines sentimentales (2000)\r\nTime Regained / Le Temps retrouv (1999)\r\nNelly & Monsieur Arnaud (1995) \r\nLEnfer (1994)\r\nUn coeur en hiver (1992)\r\nLa Belle noiseuse (1991)\r\nManon des sources (1986)\r\n\r\nAnd one to avoid - Nathalie... (2003)\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','d19e549704a590e3a64d8d73f57cf14c',0,'','pRgV61xk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7662,1551,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152471120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: 10 of the best - Emmanuelle Bart','Sadly I haven\'t seen her in many films, so I can\'t list ten favorites. But her performance in Un coeur en hiver was outstanding!','aea231333009c99223ec5d105e65317a',0,'','NlkzH7Ct',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7663,1552,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152472020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','10 of the best - Isabelle Huppert','10 of the best - Isabelle Huppert in leading roles.\r\n\r\nBy release date.\r\n\r\nThe Time of the Wolf / Le Temps du loup (2003)\r\n8 femmes (2002)\r\nLa Pianiste (2001)\r\nMerci pour le chocolat (2000)\r\nLes Destines sentimentales (2000)\r\nRien ne va plus (1997) \r\nLa Crmonie (1995)\r\nLa Sparation (1994)\r\nAmateur (1994)\r\nMadame Bovary (1991)\r\n\r\nAnd one to avoid - Ma mre (2004)\r\n\r\nBit of a squeeze, I know Ive seen others that could well be better than a couple of those listed but I cant remember which.\r\n\r\nAlso I know there is/was another thread relating to Isabelle Hupperts best performances but I couldnt locate it so my apologies for the separate thread.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','0c6e268028f880ffdc8ee0b2a2eedffc',0,'','KWvpG4r1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7664,1552,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152485040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: 10 of the best - Isabelle Huppert','You don\'t have a year listed for Time of the Wolf.\r\n\r\nOh and I\'m a little surprised you don\'t have much from Huppert\'s earlier career. I haven\'t seen as many as you, but I was certainly impressed with her performance in Loulou.','a612e4e33ed768756af8494937bca2f7',0,'','JejPyYp2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7665,1552,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1152528900,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: 10 of the best - Isabelle Huppert','Thank\'s wpqx, I have added the date now.\r\n\r\nRe: Loulou etc, it\'s only in recent years that I\'ve noted names and details of films, only seriously once I became a member here, I know I\'ve seen other earlier films but I really don\'t know which! Hopefully I\'ll catch Loulou and more over time and of course, the list is always open to alteration.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','68e0a348ec128be6a692342e020a7668',0,'','5QwBRgp9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7666,1553,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1151619780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Top Ten of the 50s','What are your personal ten best films from this decade that seems like in the \"middle\" of film history (and development?) from our perspective?\r\n\r\nMy own Top Ten are currently as follows:\r\n\r\n1. Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock / USA / 1958) \r\n2. Umberto D. (Vittorio De Sica / Italy / 1952)\r\n3. Saikaku ichidai onna The Life of Oharu (Kenji Mizoguchi / Japan / 1952)\r\n4. Paths of Glory (Stanley Kubrick / USA / 1957) \r\n5. Les quatre cents coups The 400 Blows (Francois Truffaut / France / 1959) \r\n6. Aparajito The Unvanquished (Satyajit Ray / India / 1957)\r\n7. Limelight (Charles Chaplin / USA / 1952) \r\n8. Pnktchen und Anton Punktchen and Anton (Thomas Engel / West Germany, Austria / 1954)\r\n9. Kumonosu j Throne of Blood (Akira Kurosawa / Japan / 1957)\r\n10. Letjat zhuravli The Cranes are flying (Mikheil Kalatozishvili / Soviet Union / 1957)','a42e6c18467200c6d44356481d84000a',0,'','QLET4geu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7667,1553,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1151646960,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten of the 50s','1. Singin\' In the Rain (1952) - Stanley Donen and Gene Kelly\r\n2. A Generation (1954), Kanal (1957), Ashes and Diamonds (1958) - Andrzej Wajda\r\n3. The Searchers (1956) - John Ford \r\n4. On the Waterfront (1954) - Elia Kazan\r\n5. Ben-Hur (1959) - William Wyler \r\n6. Seventh Seal (1957) - Ingmar Bergman\r\n7. Ace in the Hole (1951) - Billy Wilder\r\n8. East of Eden (1955) - Elia Kazan\r\n9. Paths of Glory (1957) - Stanley Kubrick\r\n10. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956) - Donald Speigel\r\n\r\nNumbering sucked on this as did all the films I left out, but that\'s why I had that separate thread, so that I wouldn\'t leave films out. Although Kazan is the only director with two films, Wilder and Bergman certainly had equally good films that decade, and I realize that my inclusion of Wajda\'s trilogy might be cheating to some, but I\'ll probably never separate those films. If forced at gunpoint though I suppose I\'d pick Kanal.','bc22773d19d6e68bdc6b10bb7c1bfea1',0,'','3zMy4XTr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7668,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146112200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Greatest performance ever?','Klaus Kinski in Aguirre, Wrath of God.','b334610c15199a0d78bb337a567d76d4',0,'','wCKekgyr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7669,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146157140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Greatest performance ever?','Marlon Brando in Last Tango in Paris','307d05103921be94c9843c490466c737',0,'','YdC9JkPj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7670,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146168240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Greatest performance ever?','David Thewlis in \"Naked\" ?\r\n\r\nThis is a suggestion, not a statement. Haven\'t seen the two mentioned above.','0345445a27624993e7a94a81ad50221c',0,'','jqeyRv3n',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7671,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146196920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Greatest performance ever?','I couldn\'t ever make such a bold statement as there are so many different styles and so many different approaches to performance. Nowadays a lot of film-makers are trying to get rid of the word \"performance\" from the mind of their players.\r\n\r\nKinski\'s \"performance\" in Aguirre is just that, a performance. The power he created as an actor was extraordinary, but he\'s always just being Kinski.\r\n\r\nAnyway, a few spring to mind that i admire are even though i\'m wary of using the word performance are:\r\n\r\nLynn Carlin - Faces\r\n\r\nGina Rowlands - A Woman Under the Influence &/or Opening Night.\r\n\r\nBen Gazzara - The Killing of a Chinese Bookie\r\n\r\nMichel Piccoli - La Belle Noiseuse\r\n\r\nMonica Vitti - L\'Avventura\r\n\r\nNina Pens Rode - Gertrud\r\n\r\nOlivier Goumet - Le Fils\r\n\r\nMarlene Dietrich - Dishonored\r\n\r\nJuliette Binoche - Bleu\r\n\r\nElliott Gould - The Long Goodbye\r\n\r\nJim Caviezel - The Thin Red Line\r\n\r\nNick Nolte - Affliction\r\n\r\nAlain Delon - Le Samourai\r\n\r\nCrissy Rock - Ladybird, Ladybird\r\n\r\nIsabelle Huppet - La Pianiste\r\n\r\netc etc... loads more, i\'ll stop now. It\'s all too subjective, it\'s hard to remember big responses which are only related to the actor. It\'s kind of like asking the question what film contains the best cinematography, it\'s too hard to make that call.\r\n\r\nLots of women which is interesting! Also lots of A-mericans which is probably due to my general feeling that the \"performances\" are designed to stand out from the film, not blend in, as is the case with a lot non-american cinema.','70773801b87451889ded4f892c72fb51',0,'','5chjFXle',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7672,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146198240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Greatest performance ever?','Some great choices.\r\nOf course it is nearly impossible to find one best. I guess the question is a bit ironic, and the purpose is to get a list of some greats - as you did.\r\nI also tend to like subtler actor\'s who don\'t really \"perform\" in any traditional sense. But my suggestion is in fact a performance. \r\nGreat there are so many different techniques and ways of acting. If i recal Doillon\'s \"Les doigts dans la tte\", the actors were all unprofessionals but were stunning. Everything seemed real and unforced to me, and that is the greatest magic. If you forget the performer, his name, his reputation or personality, and start experiencing the character - of course that can also come from professionals, though i tend to think this only happens when they \"depart\" from themselves more than usually - or, imo in the case of Binoche and Bleu - identify themselves so much with the character that they don\'t have to play anymore (I think Bleu is as much \"her\" film as Kieslowski\'s). \r\nBut it can also be nice observing a person on screen, regardless if he or she is acting effectively. For example I always enjoy watching Kevin Costner on screen, and usually he\'s just that - Kevin Costner.','b82104ed8c4decc277f136f827f9c950',0,'','M9SAU2dZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7673,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146202800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Greatest performance ever?','Anasazie, I don\'t think Kinski\'s portrayal was necessarily \"just a performance.\" If anything, I\'d consider it more of a non-performance. The beauty of his portrayal is that he slowly ascends into the foreground after a fairly secondary role in the earlier scenes. His monologues towards the end of the film are what ultimately give his performance, and the film, power.\r\n\r\nI do think that the better the film is, the more a director can get from an actor, mainly because most great films have characters that are deep, ambiguous, and easily related to real life people. That\'s why I hate that Robert DeNiro never really worked with genius directors, he followed Scorsese his whole career. He\'s amazing in Once Upon a Time in America though.\r\n\r\nWith that said, good call on Alain Delon in Le Samourai. He almost never breaks his driven intensity, aside the scene in the car towards the end, which just shows how skilled he is. That\'d probably be my second choice next to Kinski, along with Michael Pitt in Last Days. \r\n\r\nThanks for the insight.','d8f1734d78eb45a95067b5636439aa0e',0,'','NuD6r3Qs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7674,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146203280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Greatest performance ever?','Coppola, Scorsese, and De Palma are all geniuses to me.','7bb13142f49c91477cb183189c29a9f1',0,'','bC2hQ6vL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7675,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146203460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Greatest performance ever?','DE PALMA A GENIUS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?','9f5ca84c68140d004cfd3f08a5a86a99',0,'','grYK9Xz2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7676,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146204000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Greatest performance ever?','Yes he is. Few directors could utilize all aspects of the medium as well as he could. Sure most of his films have some major flaws, but his craft is amazing, but you might not like Hitchcock either. Watch Carlito\'s Way, I found it a near perfect film, or Casualties of War.','cc1fd986d820b03ec76c1746cd00c936',0,'','LtdbyArs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7677,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146204180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Greatest performance ever?','I\'ve seen Carlito\'s Way, and actually liked it. But The Untouchables and Scarface are some of the worst films ever made.','1f35c9bbc7bea75bc9764f1f2c694db0',0,'','HwCE02nk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7678,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146206700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Greatest performance ever?','A.\r\n\r\nGood comments, i agree. Not with the Costner one of course, but with everything else.','372a3a8fa9776ad44cb5bd6baf78ba78',0,'','o3CavALY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7679,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146207060,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Greatest performance ever?','WP.\r\n\r\nI agree with your comments on De Palma\'s skill as a director, but again, i\'d put him in the same superficiality boat as Hitchcock. I think you\'ve already predicted that anyway.\r\n\r\nDon Lope.\r\n\r\nI agree with your comments about the progression of Kinski\'s character in Aguirre. However, most of that is down to the writing and directing, kinski wouldn\'t have decided those things, that\'s Herzog. Kinski had an amazing allure and was an amazingly interesting actor on the surface, but he\'s always just Kinski and that\'s why i\'d say his just \"performing\", performing himself, his own issues, his own idiosyncracies. His work is wonderful as a result, but he doesn\'t inhabit his characters, he overcomes them, overbears them and turns them into part of his own personality. That\'s why i wouldn\'t rate his work as character acting. Of course he was brilliant for what he was though.','cbc4672889844c4636ab4b4affb0c2f2',0,'','UribDo3y',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7680,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146207540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Don Lope de Aguirre','Re: Greatest performance ever?','Thank you for your insight. I agree that Aguirre\'s progression is due to Herzog\'s writing and direction, but I choose Kinski\'s role as the greatest ever simply because it strikes a chord with me that no other performance has ever come close to doing. This facial expression gives me chills:','c98eb9e91707add17fa0ca9408e2291b',0,'','ND6CLe4y',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7681,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146207600,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Greatest performance ever?','I agree with Wpqx and De palma. Flawed but great in many ways. The movie that showed this for me was \"scarface\" though. I loove his directing, and I love the movie.\r\nBut I wouldn\'t put him in the same boat as hitchcock - not even near him.','413d5fe7728022d943b97108ef39b95c',0,'','8YKDAfBt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7682,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146207720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Greatest performance ever?','@ Don Lope\r\nThe picture you chose is a @#%$ good example. Kinski looks insane  \r\n\r\nBtw, if you want to see great performances by De Niro.\r\nMy favorites by him are in \"Mad Dog and Glory\" and \"Heat\". Boy is he good.','2a5c1133ed40e53380d39be4b19cbf8b',0,'','5WETJQA4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7683,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146244920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Greatest performance ever?','I\'ll admit Hithcock would probably be in my top ten (or at least twenty) whereas De Palma might not make my top 50, but I\'ve seen a lot of films from a lot of directors, and I appreciate visual filmmakers, which is one of the reasons why I\'m getting into Peter Greenaway right now. Scarface I loved when I saw it, certainly like it more than the Howard Hawks/Howard Hughes version, but it\'s been years and years. Dressed to Kill is a great example of a seriously flawed film that\'s still genius to watch. It\'s got problems all over, but the way it was shot (the opening shower sequence, the chase in the museum, the numerous Psycho references) its all quality filmmaking.\r\n\r\nSpeaking of Michael Caine (he was in Dressed to Kill in case you think I\'m just retardedly changing the subject), he was quite extraordinary in Educating Rita, which would at least be my favorite performance of his. \r\n\r\nBack to De Niro, I usually do find him to be \"just De Niro\", but like Kinski, who inhabits very similar characters, he\'s great at being that. Both have a certain insanity to their craft where you never really know if and when they\'ll randomly go insane on camera.\r\n\r\nAs far as Brechtian acting, I would probably vote Laurence Olivier in his version of Richard III.','a40477c76f111ad9547abed829f52d29',0,'','is7PK8T2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7684,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146713820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Greatest performance ever?','All film-makers are visual film-makers, it\'s a visual medium. \r\n\r\nWhat Greenaway stuff have you been getting into? I\'m not really a fan myself. Quite pompous, bombastic and convoluted mostly. Although his talent for creation is undoubtable, his delivering is cold and repugnant mostly. I feel like he\'s trying to force himself into my head when i watch his films. I prefer to think for myself thanks Pete, please learn to allow the viewer to do that.\r\n\r\nWhich ones have you enjoyed? Care to start a Rate the Director thing so everyone can compare.','de816266485b91f7afe3b2d33483ec35',0,'','v23j7FrG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7685,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146857580,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Greatest performance ever?','Well I was quite impressed with Drowning by Numbers, but a little disappointed in Belly of an Architect. Since I just ordered 9 more of his films (7 are shorts), I\'ll be able to make a much better assessment of his work.','81479dbe9cd6bbf468384d2c26e643a5',0,'','SN5yP6ol',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7686,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147073160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Greatest performance ever?','Yes i had the same reaction. Although i don\'t rate any of his work as highly as some people, everything he does is massively flawed and pretentious in some way. I\'ve seen everything from The Draughtman\'s Contract to 8 1/2 Women and would rate Z.0.0. as his best. Let me know when you\'ve seen some more, be interested to see how you feel about Cook, Prospero & Macon. Maybe i\'ll start a rate the director thread on him myself.','a38665ff31fb4e2c489d6649d095f5bb',0,'','UBSjED25',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7687,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1150343280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Greatest performance ever?','Maria Falconetti... Passion of Joan d Arc\r\nKlaus Maria Brandeur... Mephisto\r\nDavid Thewlis ...Naked\r\nAngelica Huston.. The Grifters\r\nMarlon Brando.... On The Waterfront\r\nMonica Vitti..La Ventura\r\nIsabella Huppert...Piano Teacher\r\nJohn Garfield..... Force Of Evil\r\nAlec Guiness... Kind Hearts & Coronets\r\nKlaus Kinski...Aguirre Wrath Of God\r\nErich Von Stroheim...La Grande Illusion\r\nVictor Syjstrom... Wild Stawberries\r\nRobert Mitchum...Night Of The Hunter\r\nMichel Simon... La Atalante\r\nJust some performances i love tho their are some great ones here','cb1ffbdfa6f84d4f7fdb87401a993aa2',0,'','dDcwfe45',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7688,1554,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1151250180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Greatest performance ever?','Louise Brooks- Pandora\'s Box\r\nZhang Ziyi- Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon\r\nEmilie Dequenne- Rosetta\r\nKinuyo Tanaka- The Life of Oharu\r\nNaomi Watts- Mulholland Dr\r\nAna Torrent- Spirit of the Beehive\r\nLiv Ullmann, Bibi Andersson- Persona\r\nNina Pens Rode- Gertrud\r\nNicole Kidman- Dogville\r\nAnne Bancroft- The Graduate\r\n\r\nRobert de Niro- Raging Bull\r\nFred Astaire- Top Hat\r\nJames Stewart- Vertigo\r\nAlec Guinness- Kind Hearts and Coronets\r\nChishu Ryu- Tokyo Story\r\nHumphrey Bogart- Casablanca\r\nAl Pacino- The Godfather 2','c084e00bcec703e3c3d6aa293ff75d8e',0,'','KABFqt7b',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7689,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1120978860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Top 10 French Films','This is off the top of my head so I can almost guarantee I\'ll forget something, plus Weekend is soon to come out on DVD, so any chance to praise it I\'ll take.\r\n\r\n1. Weekend - 1967 - Jean Luc Godard\r\n2. Napoleon - 1927 - Abel Gance\r\n3. The Conformist - 1970 - Bernardo Bertolucci\r\n4. The Grand Illusion - 1937 - Jean Renoir\r\n5. Jules and Jim - 1962 - Francois Truffaut\r\n6. The Passion of Joan of Arc - 1928 - Carl Theodor Dryer\r\n7. Last Tango in Paris - 1972 - Bernardo Bertolucci\r\n8. Au Hasard, Balthazar - 1966 - Robert Bresson\r\n9. Children of Paradise - 1945 - Marcel Carne\r\n10. Celine and Julie Go Boating - 1974 - Jacques Rivette\r\n\r\nI know I forgot plenty, but post your own list so I can smack my head against the wall.','44c181be05aaa947d7485ed6be5b8fc2',0,'','UBkGP4xV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7690,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121104860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 French Films','Okay, finally here\'s an accurate list. Sorry that I forgot to add the original french titles.\r\n\r\n1. The Mother and The Whore (Jean Eustache / 1973) \r\n2. Children of Paradise (Marcel Carne /1945) \r\n3. Goto, Island of Love (Walerian Borowczyk / 1968) \r\n4. Pola X (Leos Carax / 1999) \r\n5. Contempt (Jean-Luc Godard / 1963) \r\n6. Mes petites amoureuses (Jean Eustache / 1974) \r\n7. Monsieur Hire (Patrice Leconte / 1989) \r\n8. The Apartment (Gilles Mimouni / 1996) \r\n9. His Brother (Patrice Chereau / 2003) \r\n10. Alphaville (Jean-Luc Godard / 1965) \r\n\r\nand the runners-up:\r\n11. An Andalusian Dog (Luis Bunuel, Salvador Dali / 1928) \r\n12. Playtime (Jaqcues Tati / 1967) \r\n13. The Pier (Chris Marker / 1962) \r\n14. Code Unknown (Michael Haneke / 2000) \r\n15. The Lover (Jean-Jacques Annaud / 1992) \r\n16. Cleo from 5 to 7 (Agns Varda / 1961) \r\n17. The Kings Daughters (Patricia Mazuy / 2000) \r\n18. The Horseman on the Roof (Jean-Paul rappeneau / 1995) \r\n19. Thieves (Andr Tchin / 1997) \r\n20. @#%$ Me (Virginie Despentes, Coralie Trinh Thi / 2000) \r\n21. Otaku (Jackie Bastide, Jean-Jacques Beineix / 1994) \r\n22. The Human Beast (Jean Renoir / 1938) \r\n23. The Beast (Walerian Borowczyk / 1975) \r\n24. The Piano Player (Michael Haneke / 2001) \r\n25. Dry Cleaning (Anne Fontaine / 1997) \r\n26. Winter\'s Child (Olivier Assayas / 1989) \r\n27. Tu vois (Francois Ruiz / 2001) \r\n28. The Eighth Day (Jaco van Dormael / 1996) \r\n29. I\'m Going Home (Manoel de oliveira / 2001) \r\n30. A Heart in Winter (Claude Sautet / 1992) \r\n31. Lesquive (Abdellatif Kechiche / 2003)\r\n32. Two Men in Town (Jos Giovanni / 1973) \r\n33. Les ministres de l\'art (Philippe Garrel / 1988) \r\n34. L\'ennui (Cedric Kahn / 1998) \r\n35. Human Resources (Laurent Cantet / 1999) \r\n36. Deadly run (Claude Miller / 1983) \r\n37. Soins et beaut (Alejandra Rojo / 2000) \r\n38. A Dirty Story (Jean Eustache / 1977) \r\n39. Love Unto Death (Alain Resnais / 1984) \r\n40. Under the Sand (Francois Ozon / 2000) \r\n41. 8 Women (Francois Ozon / 2002) \r\n42. Balthazar (Robert Bresson / 1966) \r\n43. Blanche (Walerian Borowczyk / 1971) \r\n44. Friday Night (Claire Denis / 2002) \r\n45. The Town is quiet (Robert Guedigain / 2000) \r\n46. 5x2 (Francois Ozon / 2005) \r\n47. La drive (Paula Delsol / 1964) \r\n48. The Bear (Jean-Jacques Annaud / 1988) \r\n49. The Soft Skin (Francois Truffaut / 1964) \r\n50. Stand-by (Roch Stephanik / 2000)','46cb3e957618bbee297bf7bc0d3f0a5b',0,'','XiA6CMca',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7691,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121126280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top 10 French Films','Sadly I\'ve never seen the Mother and the Whore, I\'m patiently waiting some official DVD release, but who knows. I\'ll admit my knowledge of recent French films is pretty weak as well, but that\'s the fun of making a list now, to see how much it can change.','63bf2c93227ecdc5b87c43e5b4ff40a5',0,'','xuBL87yw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7692,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121270040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 French Films','Usually I don\'t buy DVD\'s as I don\'t have the money for it, but if the two Eustache films ever get released I will be the first one to buy','23b853840a0da50d35b94cca285b007c',0,'','JXybtPSN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7693,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121287860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'andre angel','Re: Top 10 French Films','Oh, this is very difficult......but it always is.\r\n\r\n1. Jeux interdits (Clement) -1952\r\n2. La Fete a Henriette (Duvivier) -1952\r\n3. Pattes blanches (Gremillon) -1949\r\n4. La Belle captive (Robbe-Grillet) -1983\r\n5. Mon oncle d\'Amerique (Resnais) -1980\r\n6. Helas pour moi (Godard) -1993\r\n7. Le Voyage en ballon (Lamorrise) -1960\r\n8. Les Dimanches de Ville d\'Avray (Bourguignon) -1962\r\n9. Le Million (Clair) -1931\r\n10. Un chant d\'amour (Genet) -1950\r\n\r\nAnd just missed; \r\n\r\nLa Ronde (Ophuls), Playtime (Tati), Hiroshima mon amour (Resnais), Le Pont du Nord (Rivette), Casque d\'or (Becker), Le Jour se leve (Carne), Therese (Cavalier), L\'argent (Bresson), La Morte vivante (Rollin), Nettoyage a sec (Fontaine), Le Roi et l\'oiseau (Grimault), L\'Arbre, le maire et la mediatheque (Rohmer), Max mon amour (Oshima), Testament d\'Orphee (Cocteau), Salle de bain (Lvoff), Sans soleil (Marker), Tante Zita (Enrico), Le Bonheur (Varda), Les Parapluies de Cherbourg (Demy), Baxter (Boivin), Bernie (Dupontel)......etc.\r\n\r\nBut all these films were just good in my memory, so once I saw them again, I may change my opinion for it....','e39c9ca5ac63a42fa46e56caa772c560',0,'','kboA1ym3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7694,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121861580,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: Top 10 French Films','Godard once said: \"French cinema is Bresson\" \r\n\r\n1. Diary of a country Priest (Robert Bresson, 1950)\r\n2. Breathless (Jean-Luc Godard, 1960)\r\n3. Pierro le fout (Jean-Luc Godard, 1965)\r\n4. Grand Illusion (Jean Renoir, 1937) \r\n5. Mouchette (Robert Bresson, 1967)\r\n6. Atalanta (Jean Vigo, 1934)\r\n7. Madame de... (Max Ophuls, 1953)\r\n8. 400 Blows (Francois Truffaut, 1959)\r\n9. Lola Monts (Max Ophuls, 1955)\r\n10.A man Escaped (Robert Bresson, 1956)','8f2b23234188f5e8010c5daa65136ef4',0,'','beMFDdJK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7695,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121895840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 French Films','Interesting list andre. Haven\'t seen any of those. \r\nSo there\'s still lots to discover in french cinema for me, especially, since I\'ve found out this week, that french cinema has become my favorite, putting Japan now on second rank.','8451600e2663ef964e69812da154c8f2',0,'','ipqwXZHc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7696,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121902800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top 10 French Films','\"Godard once said: \"French cinema is Bresson\" \r\n\r\nHe\'s certainly got an eye for the obvious.','b006c946ec093d19ed4fb5ba5ab2006a',0,'','ec8SA9gi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7697,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121928480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top 10 French Films','Andre\'s list is the most baffling to me, although I\'m not completely ignorant of it, having seen about two films, go me. As for Bresson, well how can you not love his work?','7df2d7b34a6cbc724e6d11cf33f04dcd',0,'','ovTSDxsr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7698,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1122699480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Novotny','Re: Top 10 French Films','My list (No special order):\r\n\r\n1. Orphe (Jean Cocteau)\r\n2. Diary of a Country Priest (Robert Bresson)\r\n3. Hiroshima mon\'amour (Alain Resnais)\r\n4. Les 400 coupes (Francois Truffaut)\r\n5. A nous la libert (Ren Clair)\r\n6. Pepe le Moko (Julien Duvivier)\r\n7. Cleo from 5 to 7 (Agnes Varda)\r\n8. Contempt (JLG)\r\n9. La Bande des quatre (Jacques Rivette)\r\n10. Le Rayon vert (Eric Rohmer)','1259f9f67816fcf610d54f0c90f4e876',0,'','0YoHreEy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7699,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1130384160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Top 10 French Films','I.La Regle du jeu\r\n2.L\'Atalante\r\n3.Diary of a country priest\r\n4.La Grande Illusion\r\n5.Balthazar the donkey\r\n6.un partie de campaigne\r\n7.Le enfants du paradis\r\n8.Forbidden games\r\n9.Le Mepris\r\n10.Wages of Fear\r\n\r\nI had to be fair or it would have been stacked with Renoir & Bresson','f377de6441a7c5d139883d485a217684',0,'','uF0v6Rba',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7700,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135468320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Top 10 French Films','1.The Green Ray/Summer\r\n2.Celine and Julie go Boating\r\n3.La Regle du Jeu\r\n4.Pierrot le Fou\r\n5.A Day in the Country\r\n6.The Double Life of Veronique\r\n7.Orphee\r\n8.Claire\'s Knee\r\n9.L\'Atalante\r\n10.=Les Enfants du Paradis\r\nHiroshima mon Amour\r\nCasque d\'Or\r\nLa Grande Illusion\r\nMy Night with Maud\r\n\r\nHi everyone. Yes, i\'m back (older but not necessarily wiser)after a year of many adventures, great ups and downs, via Portugal and now living in... France, so ideal 1st post.','a938d4edd15db33a6b591ee4be084419',0,'','hXa03AiV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7701,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135551240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top 10 French Films','Couldn\'t have your old username back, or just want \"another\" fresh start?','fa0b52fc24917c4f3ea19944ff49f799',0,'','hkAL53Nx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7702,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135601220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Top 10 French Films','Well, mainly cos i find that ezboard registration confusing and what with teething troubles with new laptop i was just happy to register again at all, without checking my last user name! Anyway, i\'m hoping to at least see more French films now i\'m living here- my 1st dvd rental the other day was Auberge Espagnole (nothing special- i preferred Klapisch\'s Chacun Cherche son Chat-, but very popular in France, and the follow-up Poupees Russes is now out too.)','fd35ae02657cdbc7477e738f6fdf260a',0,'','dia3sgvk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7703,1555,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135626840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 French Films','Great to have you back. We all missed you \r\nWhere exactly in France do you live now?','c3d4a984eccff13a39cef1f434ca2f9a',0,'','GNb3rTqW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7704,1556,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148598540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Favorite child actors/actresses','May I suggest that even though some of these child actors have grown up to be great adults in films, that we forget what they became (or didn\'t) and concentrate on the child they were below the age of 14. May I also suggest you list one movie that child was in.\r\n\r\nHere goes:\r\n\r\nJean-Pierre Leaud - The 400 Blows\r\nBrandon de Wilde - Member of the Wedding; Shane\r\nHayley Mills - Tiger Bay; Whistle Down the Wind\r\nRoddy McDowall- How Green Was My Valley\r\nElizabeth Taylor- National Velvet\r\nJudy Garland - The Wizard of Oz\r\nFreddie Bartholomew - Captains Courageous; David Copperfield\r\nVictoire Thivisol - Ponette\r\nKate Maberly - The Secret Garden (1993)\r\nMargaret O\'Brien - Meet Me in St. Louis\r\nRiver Phoenix - Stand By Me\r\nWil Wheaton - Stand By Me\r\nPelle Hvenegaard - Pelle the Conqueror\r\n\r\nThere are so many others. Help me fill them in.\r\n\r\nSara','5b44950b26b9d525233cf7126585ca9b',0,'','7oBJbXUl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7705,1556,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148616540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Favorite child actors/actresses','Brandon De Wilde? Oh jeez the main reason why I absolutely despise the movie was based on his performance. He wound up not too bad of an actor in later years (watch In Harm\'s Way), but my god I hated him in that film. Then again I\'m just about the only person on earth who didn\'t like Shane. I\'d like to add Owen Kline to the list for his work in the Squid and the Whale.','dc10e5dbbc94d1ffe5da6780a2ce3770',0,'','T2rUD6bt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7706,1556,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148633940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Favorite child actors/actresses','Hmm, I can\'t say I\'m particualrly fond of any child actors (would be in my overall section then), but I can add the ones I cared for most.\r\nWell, after going through the list, I really found some wonderful performances Thanks fro the reminder Sara \r\n\r\nHere\'s the best:\r\nEamonn Owens - The Butcher Boy (1997)\r\n\r\nand the rest:\r\nT.J. Lowther - A Perfect World (1993)\r\nChristina Ricci - Mermaids (1990)\r\nJackie Coogan - The Kid (1921)\r\nMadeleine Desdevises - La drlesse (1979)\r\nEdward Furlong - Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)\r\nJiseon Kim - In Between Days (2006)\r\nVictoire Thivisol - Chocolat (2000)\r\nJodie Foster - Taxi Driver (1976)\r\nAnna Paquin - The Piano (1993)\r\nJean-Pierre Laud - Les quatre cents coups (1959)\r\nSubir Bannerjee - Pather Panchali (1955)\r\nKeisha Castle-Hughes - Whale Rider (2002)\r\nTatum O\'Neal - Paper Moon (1973)\r\nSaki Terashima - Mizu no hana (2005)\r\nJonathan Brandis - The NeverEnding Story II: The Next Chapter, It (both 1990)\r\nChristian Bale - Empire of the Sun (1987)\r\nInger Nilsson - Pippi Lngstrump (1969)\r\nAna Torrent - Cra cuervos (1976)\r\nDelphine Zentout - 36 fillette (198 \r\nElryan de Vera - Ebolusyon ng isang pamilyang pilipino (2004)\r\nJesse Bradford - King of the Hill (1993)\r\nYya Yagira - Dare mo shiranai (2004)\r\nHanae Kan - Dare mo shiranai (2004)\r\nMasahiko Shimazu - Ohay, Ukigusa (both 1959)\r\nMacaulay Culkin - Home Alone (1990), Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (1992), The Good Son (1993)\r\nJeremy Cooper - The Reflecting Skin (1990)\r\nBrett Kelly - Bad Santa (2003)','ba71952a5569d6d1d03008be72f0c91c',0,'','ACcwPu7Q',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7707,1556,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148635200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hengcs','Re: Favorite child actors/actresses','hmmm ... \r\nsince many have been listed ...\r\ni will highlight a few more\r\n\r\n- Jrmie Renier (La Promesse) (1996) (Belgium) \r\n- Haley Joel Osment (The Sixth Sense) (1999) (USA)\r\n- Jamie Bell (Billy Elliot) (2000) (UK)\r\n- Vladimir Garin (The Return) (2003) (Russia)\r\n- Freddie Highmore (Finding Neverland) (2004) (UK)\r\n- Yuya Yagira (Nobody Knows) (2004) (Japan)\r\n- Xiao Li Yuan (4:30) (2005) (Singapore)\r\n\r\nI am not really sure if you like the following ...\r\nI have NOT watched them ... so NO COMMENTS ...\r\nbut I know a lot of people like to list them ...\r\n\r\n- Shirley Temple (hmmm ... i dont belong to the era ... * ;PPP *)\r\n- Dakota Fanning (i think she can act, but she has appeared in too many screaming and crying films ...)\r\n\r\n... let me think of some more ...\r\n\r\ni am also wondering if any of you want to list these actors/actreses\r\n\r\n- from Harry Potter (UK)\r\n- from E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (US)\r\n- from Zozo (Sweden)\r\n- from Innocent Voices (Mexico)\r\n- from Children of Heaven (Iran)\r\n- from Central Station (Brazil)\r\n- from Cinema Paradiso (Italy)\r\n\r\netc','77c48f9cf940218283cf1c685693a083',0,'','M9kDK7Bo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7708,1556,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148659140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: Favorite child actors/actresses','Yes, hengcs, let\'s list:\r\n\r\nthe two children in The Children of Heaven\r\nthe little boy in Cinema Paradiso\r\n\r\nI have thought of a few more:\r\n\r\nMohsen Ramezani (the blind boy) The Color of Paradise (Iran)\r\nBertil Guve -(Alexander) in Fanny and Alexander\r\nDean Stockwell - The Boy With Green Hair\r\nLukas Haas - Witness\r\nboth children in The Children are Watching Us -De Sico\r\nMark Lester - Oliver\r\nRicky Schroder - The Champ\r\nboth children in - The White Balloon (Persia)\r\n\r\nAnd OF COURSE Ron Howard as Opie in all those early Andy Griffith shows!\r\n\r\nSara','aeeb342d134b582f056e4e2f64b15196',0,'','e8tZJnB4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7709,1556,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1148835180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: Favorite child actors/actresses','How could I have forgotten to add this one!\r\nthe little girl (and also the boy) in Forbidden Games (1952) France\r\n\r\nSara','e917237c0604dd5d8bc3fa17220fc13e',0,'','P6NL4bTy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7710,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135695180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Cultural 100.','O.k. Here\'s my overall cultural top 100, with 25 each of films, books, paintings and music. Feel free to submit have a different number of your own favourites, and in any combinations.\r\n\r\nFILMS\r\nSansho the Bailiff (Mzoguchi)\r\nMirror (Tarkovsky)\r\nAndrei Rublev (Tarkovsky)\r\nParis, Texas (Wenders)\r\nThe Green Ray (Rohmer)\r\n2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)\r\nCeline and Julie go Boating (Rivette)\r\nMaborosi (Kore-eda)\r\nL\'Avventura (Antonioni)\r\nSunrise (Murnau)\r\nNorth by Northwest (Hitchcock)\r\nAlice in the Cities (Wenders)\r\nSome Like it Hot (Wilder)\r\nTales of the Taira Clan (Mizoguchi)\r\nPierrot le Fou (Godard)\r\nLa Regle du Jeu (Renoir)\r\nSeven Samurai (Kurosawa)\r\nTokyo Story (Ozu)\r\nVertigo (Hitchcock)\r\nLetter from an Unknown Woman (Ophuls)\r\nPather Panchali (Ray)\r\nStory of the Late Chrysanthemums (Mizoguchi)\r\nCasablanca (Curtiz)\r\nMulholland Dr (Lynch)\r\nThe Band Wagon (Minnelli)\r\n\r\nBOOKS\r\nThe Wind in the Willows (Grahame)\r\nThe Little Prince (St Exupery)\r\nHouse of the Spirits (Allende)\r\nLove in the Time of Cholera (Marquez)\r\nPillow Book (Sei Shonagon)\r\nTom Jones (Fielding)\r\nCutting it Short/ The Little Town where Time Stood Still (Hrabal)\r\nJacques le Fataliste (Diderot)\r\nThe Wind Up Bird Chronicle (Murakami)\r\nThe Poems of Li Po\r\nMadame Bovary (Flaubert)\r\nThe Alchemist (Coelho)\r\nLife of Pi (Martel)\r\nNature Diary (Whiteley)\r\nTales (Miyazawa)\r\nAnna Karenina (Tolstoy)\r\nManon Lescaut (Prevost)\r\nEvening Clouds (Shono)\r\nMacbeth (Shakespeare)\r\nSnow Country (Kawabata)\r\nThe Master and Margarita (Bulgakov)\r\nThe Poems of Keats\r\nThe Summer Book (Jansson)\r\n1984 (Orwell)\r\nSlaughterhouse 5 (Vonnegut)\r\n\r\n\r\nPAINTINGS\r\n100 Famous Views of Edo (Hiroshige)\r\nWhistlejacket (Stubbs)\r\nGirl with a Pearl Earring (Vermeer)\r\nLas Meninas (Velasquez)\r\nHunters in the Snow (Bruegel)\r\nGinevra de Benci (Leonardo da Vinci)\r\nThe Fighting Temeraire (Turner)\r\nVille d\'Avray (Corot)\r\nBougival, 1876 (Sisley)\r\nA Wall in Naples (Thomas Jones)\r\nWoman with a Balance (Vermeer)\r\nRanuccio Farnese (Titian)\r\nNorham Castle: Sunrise (Turner)\r\nA Girl Reading (Fragonard)\r\nThe Seine at Argenteuil, 1873 (Monet)\r\nThe Precious Book (Gwen John)\r\nEarly Spring (Guo Xi)\r\n36 Views of Mt Fuji (Hokusai)\r\nTiger in a Storm (Rousseau)\r\nStorm, Trearddur (Kyffin Williams)\r\nAncient Sound (Klee)\r\nStarry Night (Van Gogh)\r\nJacob Blessing (Rembrandt)\r\nThe Bar at the Folies-Bergere (Manet)\r\nOlympia (Manet)\r\n\r\nMUSIC\r\nThe Art of Amalia (Amalia Rodriguez)\r\n2nd Symphony (Sibelius)\r\nBorn to Run (Bruce Springsteen)\r\nConcierto de Aranjuez (Rodrigo)\r\nCaptain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy (Elton John)\r\nVltava (Smetana)\r\nVerdi + Tchaikovsky arias (Dmitri Hvorostovsky)\r\n7th Symphony (Beethoven)\r\nO.K.Computer (Radiohead)\r\nMy Way: The Best of (Frank Sinatra)\r\nRhapsody on a Theme of Paganini (Rachmaninov)\r\n23rd Piano Concerto- 2nd movement (Mozart)\r\nViolin Concerto (Sibelius)\r\nCom que Voz (Amalia Rodriguez)\r\nPastoral Symphony (Beethoven)\r\nLa Boheme (Puccini)\r\n2nd Piano Concerto (Rachmaninov)\r\nLa Traviata (Verdi)\r\nCarmen (Bizet)\r\nGoodbye Yellow Brick Road (Elton John)\r\nGreat C Major Symphony (Schubert)\r\nRevolver (The Beatles)\r\n1st Symphony (Mahler)\r\nThe Dark Side of the Moon (Pink Floyd)\r\nThe Protecting Veil (Tavener)','821e1fa5ee89b860d0094be4adef3af7',0,'','bu7VhGex',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7711,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135897020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Cultural 100.','An interesting list, but I\'m completely ignorant towards paintings.','4f2846300a0397e0094fe86259f3e6ef',0,'','WexcB9q8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7712,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135902060,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Cultural 100.','Well, give us some books then! And any unusual world music would be much appreciated everyone: i\'m no music expert at all (obvious from inclusion of Elton you may be thinking), but Amalia Rodriguez (Portuguese fado) is the best thing in the world, by far! Sends shivers down the spine.','129f8546af15a86a28d76a69f7d35ff5',0,'','pBiH3qTl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7713,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1136385480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Cultural 100.','I\'ll definitely give this one a go, should be quite a strange mix.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','a59c7d10593e9418e15d4c58ddbd28b8',0,'','vRFNg4qd',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7714,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1136391840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Cultural 100.','Did you notice there are 3 Welsh painters represented in my list?- yet hardly known as a Welsh speciality. There was a great exhibition of Thomas Jones a year or 2 back at Cardiff; A Wall in Naples brought tears to my eyes, something that\'s never happened with a painting before. I was reeling. The most unpretentious little thing but on its own terms quite perfect. He was well ahead of his time, seems really modern, (in fact the first painting i saw by him i thought was from the 2nd half of the 20th century!) is now starting to get some recognition. I was surprised to find the picture on the back cover of an Italian selection of world paintings. Kyffin Williams has quietly become an old master of seascapes- his later stuff from the 1990\'s on is really accomplished, and it\'s time he was given proper recognition in England, but i suppose most British art critics and prizes are too stuck with bankrupt shock-shock concept art like Tracy Emin, as if Duchamp hadn\'t happened nearly 100 years ago. These critics love to imagine such work is challenging + revolutionary, but seems to me they\'re in a 60\'s art college rut, and made fools by their egos, showing off their depth of understanding and daring attitudes by giving all sorts of meanings to works that are actually very shallow. Their horror of figurative art (as if passe and reactionary) is like film critics despising Ozu or Jean Renoir as too old-fashioned.','bef0d8d8d9c67614c035b5b479d3490e',0,'','kJHUR231',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7715,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137277800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Cultural 100.','john, your list inspired me to try my hand at this! but i\'ll go slow and put down my top 25 for books first. And again they are in no particular order. Regarding non-English works, I\'ve restricted myself to what is available in translation. \r\n\r\nBooks\r\n\r\n1. Name of the Rose - Umberto Eco\r\n2. If On a Winter\'s Night a Traveller - Italo Calvino\r\n3. Love In The Time Of Cholera/ No One Writes To The Colonel - Gabriel Garcia Marquez\r\n4. Labyrinths - Jorge Luis Borges\r\n5. A Perfect Peace - Amos Oz\r\n6. In an Antique Land - Amitav Ghosh\r\n7. Poems of Paul Celan \r\n8. Everything that Shakespeare ever wrote (if i\'m forced to choose, then \"Macbeth\"...also for the widely different interpretations of it in film, like Polanski\'s \"Macbeth\", Kurosawa\'s \"Throne of Blood\", Wajda\'s \"Siberian Lady Macbeth\", \", Vishal Bharadwaj\'s \"Maqbool\" and so on) \r\n9. Perfume - Patrick Suskind (Tom Tykwer\'s film based on this novel in in production...am looking forward to it)\r\n10. The Idiot - Dostoevsky\r\n11. Everything by Michel Foucault (\"This Is Not A Pipe\" on Magritte\'s paintings, occupy a special place)\r\n12. Ulysses - James Joyce\r\n13. Poems of Constantine Cavafy\r\n14. Poems of Miroslav Holub\r\n15. Another Life - Derek Walcott\r\n16. Poems of Ted Hughes, especially \"Crow\"\r\n17. The Joke - Milan Kundera\r\n18. The Flowers of Evil - Charles Baudelaire\r\n19. Four Quartets - T. S. Eliot\r\n20. And Really Frau Blum Would Very Much Like to Meet the Milkman - Peter Bichsel \r\n21. The Tin Drum - Gunter Grass \r\n22. The Castle - Franz Kafka\r\n23. The Arcades Project - Walter Benjamin\r\n24. Midnight\'s Children - Salman Rushdie\r\n25. In The Forest (Aranyak) - Bibhutibhushan Bandopadhyay\r\n\r\nThere is a lot I\'ve left out. The hazards of lists!!!\r\n\r\nM','3c47d238a86aa2f94a567768d45a7132',0,'','qk4gZvPU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7716,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137334740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Cultural 100.','I was tempted to include Borges\' The Garden of Forking Paths, which i think is the best short story of all; others i\'ve read by him were interesting but not quite up to that phenomenal standard. Forking Paths seems to encompass the whole universe, wthin a little espionage thriller. I\'ve tried your top 4 (well not Marquez\' Colonel) so next logical step would seem to be Oz + Ghosh.','1866673ae94718759e311544b463fb1f',0,'','XbJZCDgR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7717,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137337620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Cultural 100.','I\'m glad i did this thread! A whole new Indian world is opening up. Having taken a look over at Amazon, i\'ve decided to take a chance on 4 different ones mainly cos the subject + reviews make them sound my cup of tea):\r\n\r\nClear Light of Day- Desai\r\nInterpreter of Maladies- Lahiri\r\nA Fine Balance- Mistry\r\nThe Hungry Tide- Ghosh.\r\n\r\nThe God of Small Things already on the way.\r\n\r\nAnd of course i really should get round to Midnight\'s Children, which was voted best Booker prize winner of the last 25 years i think. I couldn\'t find any review of In the Forest- so can you say something about it?','d60ad4a139c1b984f0b9c248ad6c7a5e',0,'','3EBLlZ5o',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7718,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137341880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Cultural 100.','john,\r\n\r\nJust looked up \"Aranyak\" (In the forest) and found a review of the new translation. Check this link: http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/lr/2003/06/01/stories/2003060100260400.htm \r\nIgnore my earlier English title. Rimli Bhattacharya is a very good translator. If you do buy this, go for this new translation published from Seagull Books.\r\n\r\nI think that Amitav Ghosh is the greatest novelist, writing in English, to come out of India. As an anthropologist, he brings a certain rigour to novel writing, that is seldom found among writers. You can safely pick up anything that he\'s ever written. Rushdie, according to me, never recaptured the magic of \"Midnight\'s children\" ever again, though I am yet to read \"Shalimar, the Clown\". Rushdie, of course, was hugely influenced by \"The Tin Drum\". So, if you haven\'t read that, one following the other might be a great idea.\r\n\r\nI found Anita Desai\'s \"Clear Light of Day\" a rather mediocre Woolfian novel, without her intensity though. Jhumpa Lahiri is too much hype. Try them anyways. Rohinton Mistry is very good. He just missed being on my top 25 list. Lots of Latin American writers were also strong contenders for the list. Since, I tried to keep a healthy balance between poetry and fiction, I had to leave them out.\r\n\r\nM','1d2d1bb52b5a7c667de3005a815dff3d',0,'','cp6sbGrt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7719,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137555360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Cultural 100.','Ok, I also haven`t done this yet, as I can`t come up with all the names of my favorite paintings... , but I`ll give it a start with my favoriute 25 books.\r\nMadhuban inspired me \r\n\r\nIn no definite order here are my 25 favorite books (tried to find english translations if possible). It was quite hard work pressing my memory to come up with the titles, and I may have forgotten some that are better than the ones mentioned (will edit it in the future). Listed alphabetically:\r\n\r\n1984 - George Orwell\r\nAberystwyth Mon Amour - Malcolm Pryce\r\nAlmost transparent Blue - Ryu Murakami\r\nAmerica - Franz Kafka\r\nAndr Bazin - Dudley Andrew\r\nBeing Dead - Jim Crace\r\nDesire under the Elms - Eugene O`Neill\r\nDon Quijote - Miguel Cervantes\r\nEntsichert: Krieg als Massenkultur im 21. Jahrhundert - Tom Holert, Mark Terkessidis\r\nIt - Stephen King\r\nMoon Palace - Paul Auster\r\nNip the buds shoot the kids - Kenzaburo Oe\r\nOn Baile`s Strand - William Butler Yeats\r\nOur inner Conflicts - Karen Horney\r\nPigeons on the Grass - Wolfgang Koeppen\r\nThe 13 1/2 Lives of Captain Blue Bear - Walter Moers\r\nThe Bathroom - Jean-Philippe Toussaint\r\nThe Catcher in the Rye - J.D. Salinger\r\nThe Hitchhiker`s Guide through the Galaxy (all 5 novels combined) - Douglas Adams \r\nThe Physicists - Friedrich Drrenmatt\r\nThe Three Musketeers - Alexandre Dumas\r\nThus spake Zarathustra - Friedrich Nietzsche\r\nTrnen sind immer das Ende - Akif Pirincci\r\nWhat is cinema? - collections of essays by Andr Bazin\r\nWritings by Jiddu Krishnamurti (doesn\'t matter which compilation)','caf19c61972f67c112d1559c6d994952',0,'','SFMhYPou',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7720,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137790800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Cultural 100.','I\'ve been reading Ulysses from Joyce for an embarrassing amount of time (seriously I won\'t even mention how long) and I have no idea what the hell it\'s about or what is going on, I wonder how many pages I\'m going to read before I realize either if it is about anything or if that\'s the point. Certainly the most challenging novel I\'ve read (or attempted to read). I\'ve been on a bit of a book kick lately, so I\'ll hold off on mine until I can tackle some of the classics I\'ve just picked up. Interested in Kafka\'s Amerika, I read the Trial in about two days and it was an interesting read, so I\'m certainly open for more of his work. Right now though I\'m kind of a literary vagabond, only reading one book per author until I get most of the major writers covered.','adc854f9f020d9f6b9e05f88705e67f9',0,'','9Ea56hv1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7721,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137810600,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Cultural 100.','I thought I\'d start with music as I thought this would be the easiest. Well if it was the easiest I\'m going to have a hell of a time with the other sections.\r\n\r\nI have cheated but only because it would have been impossible otherwise.\r\n\r\nArtist/Composer in bold.\r\n\r\nLed Zeppelin \r\nVolume 2 \r\nVolume 4 \r\nPhysical Grafitti \r\nNirvana \r\nNevermind\r\nUnplugged\r\nPink Floyd\r\nDark Side of the Moon\r\nWish You Were Here\r\nRush\r\nA Farewell to Kings\r\nAlanis Morrisette\r\nJagged Little Pill\r\nBach\r\nSheep May Safely Graze\r\nJesu, Joy of Mans Desiring\r\nBrandenburg Concertos\r\nAir on a G string\r\nPachabel\r\nCanon\r\nBeethoven\r\nSymphonies 1-9\r\nMozart\r\nSymphony no 40 in G minor\r\nEine Kleine Nachtmusik\r\nHandel\r\nMessiah\r\nWater Music\r\nArrival of the Queen of Sheba\r\nKarl Jenkins\r\nThe Armed Man\r\nHolst\r\nPlanet Suite\r\nVaughn Williams\r\nFantasia on a Theme\r\nNicolai Rimsky-Korsakov\r\nScheherazade\r\nVivaldi\r\nFour Seasons - preferably Nigel Kennedy.\r\n\r\nI\'ve had to omit hundreds of pieces of music and totally ignored soundtracks or I\'d never have finished. \r\n\r\nCheers Trev','20d76dcacfa17199b113ce0e08c7d39d',0,'','nAP4xum6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7722,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137815640,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Cultural 100.','A\'s book list puts me to shame- cos i\'ve not read many that\'s for sure, but then all the more to discover! Will try the Oe (have only read one by him, quite liked)\r\n\r\nTrevor: so a Welsh composer included. I\'m not especially impressed with The Armed Man as a whole, but there\'s one sublime piece in it- Benedictus. How well i remember driving over the hills near Abergavenny listening to that on a glorious day!','743d0e7a804a58da69682c367f9c3b04',0,'','LHFx2WGJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7723,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137816180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Cultural 100.','Yes it was mainly for the Benedictus, funny thing is my wife finds the whole CD creepy, I note we have very few similarities with the music, though there\'s quite a lot on your list I do like. Beethoven - Pastoral and Dark Side of the Moon (which is probably an age thing) are the only ones replicated.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','06cb30b44152c11e1b77a5aac1b44800',0,'','uR0KYEr8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7724,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137817200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Cultural 100.','You\'re more of a fan of Bach than i am, so perhaps you may really like the minimalist Straub-Huillet film Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach, that lets the music take centre stage?','dfbf4f73c10729c562152965587da509',0,'','YiwST7Qe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7725,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137817560,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Cultural 100.','I\'m going to bypass all music besides rock, because it makes it simpler for me.\r\n\r\nDream Theater - Images and Words (1992)\r\nBruce Springsteen - Born to Run (1975)\r\nThe Beatles - The Beatles (1968)\r\nThe Beatles - Sgt. Pepper\'s Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)\r\nJohn Lennon - Plastic Ono Band (1970)\r\nVan Morrison - Astral Weeks (1968)\r\nQueen - A Night at the Opera (1975)\r\nQueen - News of the World (1977)\r\nU2 - The Joshua Tree (1987)\r\nThe Clash - London Calling (1980)\r\nThe Smiths - The Queen is Dead (1986)\r\nBob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde (1966)\r\nBob Dylan - Blood on the Tracks (1975)\r\nThe Beatles - Abbey Road (1969)\r\nQueen - Sheer Heart Attack (1974)\r\nNirvana - Nevermind (1991)\r\nThe Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground and Nico (1967)\r\nAt the Gates - Slaughter of the Soul (1995)\r\nThe Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers (1971)\r\nLed Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin (1969)\r\nMegadeth - Rust in Peace (1990)\r\nElvis Costello - This Year\'s Model (1978)\r\nThe Beach Boys - Pet Sounds (1966)\r\nThe Beatles - Revolver (1966)\r\n\r\nI could easily list another 200 here, but well 25 will suffice. Now for a very half assed movie list.\r\n\r\nCitizen Kane (1941) - Orson Welles\r\nThe Godfather 1 and 2 (1972, 1974) - Francis Ford Copolla \r\nAll Quiet on the Western Front (1930) - Lewis Milestone\r\n2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - Stanley Kubrick\r\n8 1/2 (1963) - Federico Fellini\r\nStar Wars Trilogy (1977, 1980, 1983) - George Lucas, Irvin Kershner, Richard Marquand \r\nLawrence of Arabia (1962) - David Lean\r\nPulp Fiction (1994) - Quinten Tarantino\r\nApocalypse Now (1979) - Francis Ford Copolla\r\nSinging in the Rain (1952) - Stanley Donen and Gene Kelly\r\nIntolerance (1916) - DW Griffith\r\nWeekend (1967) - Jean Luc Godard\r\nBerlin Alexanderplatz (1980) - Rainer Werner Fassbinder\r\nOrdinary People (1980) - Robert Redford\r\nTo Live (1994) - Zhang Yimou\r\nSchindler\'s List (1993) - Steven Spielberg\r\nLa Dolce Vita (1960) - Federico Fellini\r\nAnnie Hall (1977) - Woody Allen\r\nPsycho (1960) - Alfred Hitchcock\r\nNapoleon (1927) - Abel Gance\r\nLandscape in the Mist (1988) - Theo Angelopoulus \r\nThe Maltese Falcon (1941) - John Huston\r\nMulholland Drive (2001) - David Lynch\r\nOn the Waterfront (1954) - Elia Kazan\r\nGoodfellas (1990) - Martin Scorsese\r\n\r\nI think that\'s 25, that\'s tough to narrow down. Hell will probably freeze over before I can list paintings.','93c62a169ad7a9443ad4e1993ffeeaa7',0,'','sC5wkJbE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7726,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137844200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Cultural 100.','Trev and wpqx\'s music list got me energised! Here\'s my bizarre top 26 - some hardened obsessions confirmed yet again (the selections from rock), some beginner\'s forays (jazz), some insider\'s knowledge as wpqx says (indian, pakistani and bangladeshi music) and some impulsive \"listening to right now\" choices (need to stand the test of time). The absence of western classical is sorely regretted. It isn\'t a case of \"not my kind of music\"; just that I haven\'t heard enough of it yet. I am cheating too - 26 instead of 25. had a tough time restricting myself to that!\r\n\r\n1. The Beatles - \"Sgt Pepper\" and \"Abbey Road\" (if i have to choose)\r\n2. Pink Floyd - everything, simply everything, including the Syd Barrett phase that a lot of people find cacophonic! If i have to choose again, \"Obscured By Clouds\", \"Dark Side of the Moon\", Wish You were Here\", \"Division Bell\".\r\n3. Jethro Tull - again everything, particularly, \"Aqualung\", \"Crest of A Knave\", \"Heavy Horses\", \"Songs From the Wood\" (Tull is like mature wine...i like them more and more as I get on!)\r\n4. Led Zeppelin - \"Led Zeppelin\", \"Physical Grafitti\" (I have 3 different live versions of \"Whole Lotta Love\") \r\n5. Bob Dylan - he should have made my list as a poet! if i have to choose, \"Oh Mercy\"\r\n6. Sting - \"The Soul Cages\"\r\n7. Bob Marley - everything about the man and his music! \"Songs of Freedom\" and \"Legend\" (with the Wailers) special mention\r\n8. Grateful Dead - \"American Beauty\", \"Workman\'s Dead\"\r\n9. Deep Purple - \"Machinehead\", \"Purpendicular\"\r\n10. U2 - \"Joshua Tree\", \"Rattle and Hum\"\r\n11. Dire Straits - \"Money for Nothing\", \"Dire Straits\", \"Brothers In Arms\"\r\n12. John Coltrane - \"My Favourite Things\', \"Giant Steps\"\r\n13. Pat Metheny - \"Bright Sized Life\"\r\n14. Miles Davis - \"Kind of Blue\"\r\n15. Rabindranath Tagore (this chap wrote 3000+ songs and composed music for each of them!!!...Warning: don\'t try him if you don\'t know the language)\r\n16. \"Shakti With John McLaughlin\"\r\n17. \"Real Sugar\" Sam Mills & Paban Das Baul\r\n18. Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan (sufi qawali) - everything, particularly the song \"kehna galat galat\"\r\n19. Abida Parveen (more for her sufi qawali than her ghazals) - her voice is incredible!\r\n20. Junoon - \"Azadi\" (this is a pakistani band that does sufi rock)\r\n21. Fuzon - they\'ve produced only one album till date, so the numbers i am moved by - \"Khamaj\" and \"Malhar\" (very good work with hindustani classical music and rock)\r\n22. \"Lace, Fita, Lace\" - James (Bangladesh) - this album uses sound elements and rhythmic patterns from the songs/recitations of hawkers - pathbreaking work!\r\n23. Moheener Ghoraguli (a 70s band from West Bengal) - \"Jhara Shomoyer Gaan\" - pathbreaking work again!\r\n24. Bangla (band from Bangladesh, working with traditional folk songs of Bengal and rock) - \"Kimkortobyobimurha\"\r\n25. R. D. Burman - one of the greatest music composers India ever produced. he worked extensively for bollywood. gave a new direction to Hindi film songs.\r\n26. Chandrabindoo (a band from West Bengal) - all their albums work with the idea of pastiche...pathbreaking lyrics... again, don\'t try this if you don\'t know the language! \r\n\r\nM','67bac4bc6963448bd1ead02b690656d3',0,'','qQFWmXGa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7727,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137863040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Cultural 100.','Madhuban, some nice choices there although I was surprised with Deep Purple and Jethro Tull because they were a bit before your time. I was thinking of including Deep Purple but if I had, I would have gone with the rawness of Deep Purple In Rock as opposed to Machinehead. Can\'t believe I missed out Bob Marley though, Exodus is a brilliant album.\r\n\r\nJohndav, Bach and Beethoven are my favourite classical composers, both very popular in East Asian countries as well. I\'ll have to try and check out the film you mentioned.\r\n\r\nwpqx, with your choices you would get on well with my sons, very similar.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','49405baaf00ee7bbe1c8d7b65773bb93',0,'','yrnafPU0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7728,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137876180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Cultural 100.','boyo bach + beethoven make a nifty trio.','780aee5c0936fd355aed9ca7e594a4c5',0,'','0cw24riT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7729,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137886740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Cultural 100.','Tull #3 I\'m kind of surprised. I\'m a big fan of there\'s and usually get laughed at when people see 12 Jethro Tull cds in my collection. These days I\'d have to lean on Thick as a Brick as my favorite album of there\'s, self indulgent, but not in the embarassing extent that A Passion Play was.\r\n\r\nAlso Bob Marley\'s best album was/is Natty Dread, maybe Catch a Fire a close second. Legend doesn\'t count because it\'s a greatest hits (my rules). Oh and if we (the royal We), were counting jazz, A Love Supreme would top that list.','4a087f1cec7d5758f39f95948b850f6c',0,'','8U5hEaoZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7730,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137886800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Cultural 100.','trev,\r\n\r\nI regret not being a sixties child! But I did grow up listening to Pink Floyd, Deep Purple and Jethro Tull. I was fortunate enough to hear Deep Purple live in Bangalore, in 2001, and am about to fulfill the other great dream of watching Ian Anderson live on Feb 3rd. Deep Purple In Rock is brilliant, and \"child in time\" is a great favourite. \"Machine Head\" and \"Purpendicular\" came from the top of my head because i\'d been playing \"Highway star\" and \"Ted, the mechanic\" yesterday Frankly, I don\'t think any band in rock history had such an smashing line-up. It is usually one or two outstanding musicians that make or break bands!. And in Deep Purple you had a surfeit of them! Who would have thought that they would find a replacement for Blackmore! I heard Steve Morse jamming live with John Lord. Oh, it was astounding!\r\n\r\nAnd, I forgot The Doors!!!!!!!!!!!!!! \"Spanish caravan\" will make my top 20 songlist on any given day!\r\n\r\nwpqx,\r\n\r\nI\'m surprised too that you have so much Tull! I too meet with a lot of raised eyebrows when I say i\'m fond of Tull, and I smirk and say \"get older pal\"! But, now that argument won\'t work! \r\n\r\nI like your rule about ruling out compilations. I do not consider them myself, and almost never buy \"best of\" CDs. Sorry about the Marley faux pas. With song musicians, I\'m forever in a quandary about putting down favourite albums \r\n\r\nI\'ve begun listening to jazz seriously for the last couple of years. Agreed, \"A Love Supreme\" should have been there. \r\n\r\nM','fd3ff3cfd28dda1360e71f8dfc031e69',0,'','dCTq6xXi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7731,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137891180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Cultural 100.','Don\'t worry John, my booklist is pretty \"eclectic\". In most cases I only read one book per author, and what I read is really \"odd choice\" sometimes. And haven\'t been doing much reading for the last two years. From your list I\'ve only read 5, and some I haven\'t heard of yet. \r\nYour music lists reveal you all to be quite similar when it comes to Rock. I must say that I\'m ignorant about most stuff by U2, Bob Marley, Sting, Deep Purple, Jethro Tull, Bob Dylan, The Beatles, etc., etc.\r\nMy own list would be more \"singer-songwriter-pop\". I\'ll try something later.','052f3946e8647faf71f11dce304baf0e',0,'','FoM0THx9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7732,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137923280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Cultural 100.','Regarding Richie Blackmore\'s replacement\r\n\r\nSteve Morse is/was the man behind the Dixie Dregs, and I must say it is nearly impossible to find ANY guitarist in the world better. I mean the man has chops like you wouldn\'t believe. I\'d recommend downloading a live version of \"The Bash\" off of the Dixie Dregs California Screamin album, or Steve Morse\'s solo track \"Tumeni Notes\" arguably the best playing you may here from a guitarist. Never saw Deep Purple, but did see the Dregs twice, so the boy can play. My jazz collection is only at about 150 albums or so, so I\'m not an expert, just know more than most people I meet. As far as John\'s booklist, I think I\'ve read two, but at least he has 1984, which would be my #1 if I ever sat down to do it. I\'m in the process of reading Jack Keruac\'s On the Road, and man is it good. Unfortunately it\'s also giving me the burning desire to hitchhike out west, a temptation I really don\'t need.','1e0c29675696683047b68f924685217a',0,'','PHgGBWFw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7733,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137965460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Cultural 100.','@ A\r\n\r\nI was also intrigued by your list of books! Of course, it woke me up to one serious omission in my list: no plays! And I have at least ten that should go into a list like this \r\n\r\nPlease enlighten us about \"Entsichert: Krieg als Massenkultur im 21. Jahrhundert\" - Tom Holert, Mark Terkessidis. Sounds like non-fiction and I seem to recall reading an interview of Nan Goldin done by a Tom Holert. Is it the same person?\r\n\r\n@wpqx\r\n\r\nThanks a ton for the recommendations. Will download the tracks now! And your mention of the word \"guitarist\" alerted me to an awful faux pas in my music list! Why aren\'t there such names as Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Joe Satriani and Eddie Van Halen on my list!!! \r\n\r\nM','205cfc71f8da073f69b5f43ef4055899',0,'','Jr7PilYV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7734,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1138079100,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Cultural 100.','Don\'t know about the interview, but it may be the same person - if you can give me some more sources? \r\nThe book is non-fiction (as are some others on my list), and as far as I know only availabla in german language. The two guys are freelancing journalists, and initiated the \"institute for studies in visual culture\" in Cologne.\r\nThe book is about our western society\'s opposed to third world countries, and the way we have integrated war and violence into our everyday lives. It argues that in our \"peaceful\" society war is taking place in our heads and in our everyday lives as a way of competition in every field and our \"body-culture\". How the western society sees life as a battle where only \"success\" counts, opposed to the third world countries where war and violence are omnipresent, but not wished for. Basically we (with the help of indoctrination through the media) construct our own wars, while the third world wants to get rid of theirs, but of course can\'t because of \"us\". The book reflects most of this through several Hollywood films that exemplify this message.\r\nI know my explanation sounds a bit messy.','a98f5134fc624016cdae96d67ef6e4af',0,'','7i3McPg9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7735,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1138143480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Cultural 100.','Thanks A for the description of the book. Seems to be the same Tom Holert because the one i\'m talking about is also interested in visual culture. Can\'t remember where I read the Nan Goldin (he is a photographer) interview though. Maybe the book will get translated into English soon. Will want to read it. \r\n\r\nM','8059d629d56a0f4b0b9f1924e8310bef',0,'','yig1kGAK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7736,1557,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1138399260,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Cultural 100.','Nowhere near close to making a book list, but I did just finish Jack Kerouac\'s On the Road, which is contestable for my favorite book ever.','ca73a75349d7d48a962b2e04b41fd08b',0,'','Mm8qFL2R',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7737,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1136263800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Top Ten (2005)','Well the year is officially over, and since I had to make this list for another group, I figured I\'d post it here. There\'s a good chance that nothing will alter my list, but there\'s probably a better chance that I\'ll see something within the next month or two that will make me reconsider my choices. Two of the films I\'ve selected were made in 2004, but didn\'t have their premiere in Chicago until well into 2005. As usual American movies dominated, but well that\'s what we see the most of here in the US. Bad as they might be represented here, it\'s still better than in previous years.\r\n\r\n1. Sin City (Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller, Quintin Tarantino)\r\nI\'m amazed this film hasn\'t shown up on more critics top ten lists this year. I mean to me this set the bar so ridiculously high for comic book movies (and what can be done on a green screen) that I fear no film derived from graphic novel or comic origins can ever measure up. It is graphically violent noir with humor, sexuality, and just downright entertaining. Rodriguez who seemed a little lost in recent years more than makes up for any Shark Boy and Lava Girl with this masterful stroke of genius, and who knew Frank Miller could direct?\r\n\r\n2. Serenity (Joss Whedon)\r\nOne almost has to see Firefly to truly appreciate this film. Without the series the movie is great, but with that nearly 14 hours of extra character development, you can really appreciate the evolution of the story. You can cheer River finding her own, you can lament the death of Wash, and you can relax that for once Simon acts like a man. This is a movie masterfully shot, and tragic at the same time, not so much for the character we lost, but for the end of the Firefly saga, one that should have lasted much longer. I can only hope that the DVD world will be kind to this, just as they have to Whedon\'s Buffy the Vampire Slayer series. Arguably the best directing debut I\'ve seen in a long time (Miller notwithstanding)\r\n\r\n3. Crash (Paul Haggis)\r\nSpeaking of directorial debuts, Paul Haggis less than a month away from his Oscar win for the Million Dollar Baby script makes his own forray into feature films as a director. It is very tough to pull off the subgenre of the ensemble picture, and although Sin City was one of a much smaller nature, Crash is a sprawling world of entertwining lives and characters where nearly every story is brilliantly crafted. Haggis made a monumental film that somehow manages to be subtle.\r\n\r\n4. Pride and Prejudice (Joe Wright)\r\nLiterary adaptations can always be tricky, and remakes are almost always frowned upon, but somehow a film that probably had no business being made wound up in my top five. Joe Wright directs Pride and Prejudice not like a Hollywood player, but as a European auteur. His camera never ceases to move, and his characters particularly Macfayden and Knightley manage to convey such a smoldering passion that you feel will explode at any moment. The romantic film of the year, the period picture of the year, and the best remake of the year.\r\n\r\n5. The World (Jia Zhang-ke)\r\nSince seeing this remarkable film I have been witness to two additional Zhang-ke films, and those two films may not be superior but they firmly remind me what a triumph The World is. A story of multiple people isolated and disillusioned in a nation rapidly losing it\'s identity. Again told with long takes and terrifically subtle acting, this film more than fulfills the prophecy of Zhang-ke being China\'s most important director working today.\r\n\r\n6. Last Days (Gus Van Sant)\r\nAfter leaving the nearly deserted theater I wondered if I really even enjoyed this film. Coming after the remarkably high mark of Elephant, I wasn\'t sure if Van Sant had topped himself, or merely repeated what he already accomplished. As I left and over the next few days I realized what a remarkable film this was. One that stayed with me, with indelible imagery, and moments that I will likely never forget. Michael Pitt is an actor I never would have believed in, but he manages to mumble his way to the best performance he\'s likely to ever give. The music as well is astonishing, in it\'s own very simple way. I only wish more people could have seen this, for I fear Van Sant may soon return to his career as a Hollywood hack.\r\n\r\n7. Broken Flowers (Jim Jarmusch)\r\nAfter nearly a decade of sparse production and forgettable films Jarmusch returns with his funniest and possibly best film with this. Bill Murray who seems to make one great film for every bad one, is in top form, and I can scarcely imagine any one else being half as good as him in this film. A modern road movie, with \"A stalker in a Taurus\". A joyful movie, that I found wonderful.\r\n\r\n8. The Weeping Meadow (Theo Angelopoulus)\r\nWell I had to wait a year to finally see this film, which had only a one week run in the city of Chicago. After seeing it I knew that Angelopoulus was quite possibly the best filmmaker in the world. I guess it\'s obvious that I\'m a fan of long takes, especially involving intricate camera movments, but Angelopoulus takes that to a new form of art. From the opening shot you know this is classic, and the rest of the film is sprawling, ambitious, and truly emotional.\r\n\r\n9. Nobody Knows (Hirokazu Kore-eda)\r\nThe first great film I saw this year, remains a particular favorite. A depressing tale, that more than matches the prophecy shown by Kore-eda in his previous two features. This man is leading the charge for Japanese cinema, and this film for all it\'s heartbreaking glory, is one that I\'ll cherish. Perhaps not as philosophically profound as After Life, but what this film lacks in it\'s thought provoking abilities it makes up for in emotional weight.\r\n\r\n10. Fever Pitch (Peter Farrelly, Bobby Farrelly)\r\nThis may not be one of the ten best films this year, but I had to include it, as I made a promise to myself. Fever Pitch seemed corny and far fetched after I left the theater. I enjoyed it, laughed at it, rooted for it, but generally thought it merely decent. But as you may remember this film came out in April, just as baseball was kicking up. I spent the next six months religiously devoted to Chicago\'s two professional teams, and at nearly every game attended or watched I recalled moments from this movie. And seeing my own White Sox win the world series, much in the way the Red Sox finally pulled through in this movie, it was all the more resonant. Perhaps in time people will be able to love this film as I have, but well there\'s a lot of hate for Drew Barrymore and more for Jimmy Fallon.\r\n\r\nAlso worth mentioning\r\nStar Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith\r\nKung Fu Hustle\r\nKing Kong\r\nSaraband\r\nThe Squid and the Whale\r\nHistory of Violence\r\nGrizzly Man','503a99986720987a391b595e1b722e3f',0,'','wPj5n9Qz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7738,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1136265240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','I`m not a big fan of Top Ten Lists, as you don`t get to know all new films the person who constructed them has seen in the particular year. In effect you don`t know how to cope with some lists. Let`s say one person has seen 50, while the other has seen 100. The films both have seen maybe add to 30, so their Top Tens will be very different. \r\nSo I`ve decided to take a new approach this year.\r\n\r\nI\'ve listed all films I\'ve seen 2005 that came to the cinema, or were introduced on TV or on festivals in order of preference and with my initial rating. \r\nGerman cinema releases have also their position in brackets.\r\nFavorites are in bold.\r\nRecommended films are worth seeing.\r\nFilms that get an honorable mention have something that`s worth a second look. \r\n\r\n1. Bu jian \"The Missing\" (Taiwan / Kang-sheng Lee) ***3/4 / **** \r\n2. (1) Dare mo shiranai \"Nobody Knows\" (Japan / Hirokazu Koreeda) ***1/2 / **** \r\n3. (2) Te doy mis ojos \"Take my Eyes\" (Spain / Iciar Bollain) ***3/4 / **** \r\n4. (3) Shi mian mai fu \"House of flying daggers\" [german dubbed version] (China, Hong Kong / Yimou Zhang) ***3/4 / **** \r\n5. (4) L`esquive (France / Abdellatif Kechiche) ***3/4 / **** \r\n6. (5) The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou (USA / Wes Anderson) ***1/2 / **** \r\n7. (6) Tony Takitani (Japan / Jun Ichikawa) ***1/2 / **** \r\n8. Trilogia I: To Livadi pou dakryzei \"Trilogy: The Weeping Meadow\" (Greece, Germany, France, Italy / Theo Angelopoulos) ***1/2 / **** \r\n9. (7) Broken Flowers (USA, France / Jim Jarmusch) ***1/2 / **** HONORABLE MENTION \r\n10. (8) Uzak (Turkey / Nuri Bilge Ceylan) ***1/4 / **** RECOMMENDED \r\n\r\n11. Bu san \"Good Bye, Dragon Inn\" (Taiwan / Ming-liang Tsai) ***1/2 / **** HONORABLE MENTION \r\n12. (9) Sud Pralad \"Tropical Malady\" (Thailand, France, Germany, Italy / Apichatpong Weerasethakul) **3/4 / **** RECOMMENDED \r\n13. (10) The Aviator (USA / Martin Scorsese) ***1/2 / **** \r\n14. Kajmak in marmelada (Slovenia / Branko Djuric) ***1/4 / **** HONORABLE MENTION \r\n15. Cesky sen \"Czech Dream\" (Czech Republic / Vit Klusak Filip Remunda) ***1/4 / **** HONORABLE MENTION \r\n16. Nicht ohne Risiko ( Germany / Harun Farocki) ***1/4 / **** HONORABLE MENTION \r\n17. Svoi \"Us\" (Russia / Dmitri Meskhiyev) ***1/4 / **** \r\n18. (11) Cremaster 3 (Matthew Barney / USA) *** / **** RECOMMENDED \r\n19. La face cache de la lune \"The Far Side of the Moon\" (Canada / Robert Lepage) **3/4 / **** HONORABLE MENTION \r\n20. (12) Agnes und seine Brueder (Germany / Oskar Roehler) *** / **** \r\n21. (13) Finding Neverland (USA, UK / Marc Forster) *** / **** \r\n22. (14) Turtles can fly (Iran, France, Iraq / Bahman Ghobadi) *** / **** \r\n23. (15) Maria Full of Grace (USA, Colombia / Joshua Marston) **3/4 / **** \r\n24. (16) Cremaster 2 (USA / Matthew Barney) **3/4 / **** HONORABLE MENTION \r\n25. Inosensu: Kokidu kidotai \"Innocence\" (Japan / Mamoru Oshi) **3/4 / **** HONORABLE MENTION \r\n26. Chi to hone \"Blood and Bones\" (Japan / Yoichi Sai) **1/2 / **** \r\n27. Ebolusyon ng isang pamilyang pilipino \"Evolution of a Filipino Family\" (Philippines / Lav Diaz) **1/2 / **** HONORABLE MENTION \r\n28. (17) Cremaster 5 (USA / Matthew Barney) **1/2 / **** \r\n29. Steamboy (Japan / Katsuhiro omo) **1/2 / **** \r\n30. (18) Crash (USA / Paul Haggis) **1/2 / **** \r\n31. The Saddest Music in the World (Canada / Guy Maddin) **1/2 / **** \r\n32. (19) Udalionnyy dostup (Russia / Svetlana Proskurina) **1/2 / **** \r\n33. (20) Batman Begins (USA / Christopher Nolan) **1/2 / **** \r\n34. (21) Closer (USA / Mike Nichols) **1/2 / **** \r\n35. Izo (Japan / Takashi Miike) **1/2 / **** \r\n36. Devot (Germany / Igor Zaritzki) **3/4 / **** \r\n37. Hair High (USA / Bill Plympton) **1/2 / **** \r\n38. (22) Cremaster 1 (Matthew Barney / USA) **1/2 / **** \r\n39. (23) The Syrian Bride (Israel, France, Germany / Eran Riklis) **1/4 / **** \r\n40. The colonial misunderstanding (Cameroon,Germany / Jean-Marie Teno) **1/4 / **** \r\n41. (24) Barefoot (Germany / Til Schweiger) **1/4 / **** \r\n42. (25) Saw [german-dubbed version] (USA / James Wan) **1/4 / **** \r\n43. (26) Danny the Dog (UK, France, USA / Louis Leterrier) **1/4 / **** \r\n44. Il vento, di sera \"The Wind in the Evening\" (Italy / Andrea Adriatico) **1/4 / **** \r\n45. (27) Dumplings (Hong Kong / Fruit Chan) **1/4 / **** \r\n46. (28) Manderlay (Denmark, Germany, USA, France, Netherlands, Sweden, Lars von Trier) ** / **** \r\n47. (29) Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (USA / George Lucas) ** / **** \r\n48. (30) Cremaster 4 (UK, USA, France / Matthew Barney) **1/4 / **** \r\n49. (31) Saw II (USA / Darren Lynn Bousman) ** / **** \r\n\r\nGOOD \r\n--------------------------------------------------------------- \r\nBAD \r\n\r\n50. (32) Melinda and Melinda (USA / Woody Allen) ** / **** \r\n51. Laissez-passer \"Safe Conduct\" (France, Spain, Germany / Bertrand Tavernier) *3/4 / **** \r\n52. Falling Angels (Canada, France / Scott Smith) *3/4 / **** \r\n53. (33) Immortal (France / Enki Bilal) seen in 2004, but probably *3/4 / **** \r\n54. (34) El abrazo partido \"Lost Embrace\" (Argentina, France, Italy, Spain / Daniel Burman) *3/4 / **** \r\n55. Kontakt (Republic of Macedonia, Germany / Sergej Stanojkovski) *3/4 / **** \r\n56. (35) AVP: Alien Vs. Predator (USA,UK, and others / Paul W.S. Anderson) *3/4 / **** \r\n57. Atomik Circus - Le retour de James Bataille \"The Return of James Battle\" (France, Germany, UK / Didier Poiraud, Thierry Poiraud) *1/2 / **** \r\n58. Moy svodnyy brat Frankensteyn \"My Step Brother Frankenstein\" (Russia / Valeri Todorovsky) *1/2 / **** \r\n59. (36) Sin City [german-dubbed version] (Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller, Quentin Tarantino / USA) * / **** \r\n60. (37) Allein (Germany / Thomas Durchschlag) * / **** \r\n61. The Garden of Earthly Delights (Poland, UK, Italy / Lech Majewski) 1/2* / **** \r\n62. Pod njenim oknom \"Beneath Her Window\" (Slovenia / Metod Pevec) 1/4* / **** \r\n63. Top Spot (UK / Tracey Emin) 1/4* / **** \r\n64. (38) Blade: Trinity (USA / David S. Goyer) 1/4* / ****','03cf80e9e71a627083599ce6cae8fa2d',0,'','Fc2yYgCd',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7739,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1136278260,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Good Lists. \r\n\r\nI guess you two disagree on Sin City. I\'m somewhere in the middle.','b0b9c427eaf96fe7a98982456d19d623',0,'','S0V2XNaB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7740,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1136313360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Two friends of mine whom I normally trust 100% with their judgement of films (similar taste) were very fond of it, so I gave it a try. I could say the german dubbing ruined it for me, but I don`t think that was all. I`ve actually read some of Miller`s \"Sin City\" graphic novels and liked them, so I`m not biased against the \"sex and violence\", etc. \r\nBut to me the originals had much more heart.\r\nThe film looks like a sloppy \"best of\" to me, without any real connection to the characters it`s depicting. They are just some unlucky bastards the camera seems to focus on. \r\nDidn`t appreciate Rodriguez before (From Dusk Till Dawn was a bore to me), and it hasn`t changed.','778f3aa679a33a80f6a719bd2ab6a507',0,'','7sGapACK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7741,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1136393340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Well for once here\'s a list i really can\'t do- i\'ve only seen 3 films in your 10 list, WPQX. The Weeping Meadow was about the only film i got to see in 2 months in Portugal, i managed a little spurt when briefly back in UK (living in a caravan), and now here in France they\'re well behind at cinemas and dvd rental.\r\n\r\nI liked Sin City; despite its being so typically + relentlessly violent, it did seem to offer something new, struck me almost as an admittedly inferior Kiss me Deadly for the 21st century. I didn\'t like From Dusk till Dawn at all- silly childish nonsense. El Mariachi had promised a bit better but then he got too close to Tarantino, i reckon. QT\'s little section in Sin City is the weakest part of the film! \r\n\r\nI\'ve got a lot to look forward to:\r\n\r\nBrokeback Mountain\r\nA History of Violence \r\nL\'Enfant\r\nHidden\r\nSerenity\r\nThe World\r\nThe Wayward Cloud\r\nKing Kong\r\nCharlie and the Chocolate Factory\r\nCurse of the Were-rabbit\r\nThree Burials\r\nThe Squid and the Whale\r\nMunich\r\nBoken Flowers\r\nGood Night and Good Luck\r\nThe New World (i saw a clip 2 months back that immediately struck me as a copy of Sansho the Bailiff, then remembered Malick is a Mizo fan and did a stage version of the film)\r\nKiss Kiss Bang Bang\r\nCapote\r\nWhere the Truth Lies\r\nThe Constant Gardener\r\nSyriana\r\nThree Times\r\n\r\nrating some first released in 2005 i have seen:\r\n\r\nSin City 8\r\n\r\nThe Beat that my Heart Skipped 7 (can\'t see what all the fuss was about- i\'d heard it was something very original)\r\nWar of the Worlds 7\r\nThe Descent 7\r\nBatman Begins 7\r\n\r\nMarch of the Penguins 6 (some lovely shots of landscapes, but in the French version i saw here the voice-over and music were awful, irritating, completely undermine the excellent cinematography)\r\n\r\ni may have been slightly generous in my markings.\r\n\r\nFrom 2004 but only here in 05 I most enjoyed The Life Aquatic + The Weeping Meadow, (minor Angelopoulos but still a major film Bitish critic Jonathon Romney said, and he\'s probably right, though i think the standing compared to other Angelopoulos will only be clear with the full trilogy.) \r\n\r\nAs with earlier stuff (overrated i think) by Wes Anderson, The Life Aquatic hardly hides its eccentricities, but this time it does seem original, a rare adventure indeed!','56d6e931c7fda95cf9f8eeb0dac6229d',0,'','QblFMfHt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7742,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1136470500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','I must say that Sin City looks better now than it did a few months back (all the listless remakes that\'ve come out in recent months certainly have something to do with that). Needless to say, I felt Tarantino\'s presence right away without actually knowing, and that was about the point when the film picked up. \r\n\r\nThe Weeping Meadow will make my list. I truly hope that Angelopoulos stays healthy enough to finish the trilogy.\r\n\r\nYou do have some catching up to do, John, but I\'m sure it won\'t take you long. We have gone over a few of the films on your list, so hopefully that\'ll help. I was also not overly impressed by The Beat That My Heart Skipped (loved the music by Despialat, though).','842a586dc3528bc2fac6508b8d6c1964',0,'','mHscEntA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7743,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140807240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Because I lost most of my records for last year I\'ll just list as many theatrical releases (up to 10) that I can remember that were definite contenders.\r\n\r\nGood Morning Night, Buongiorno, notte - Marco Bellocchio 2003\r\n\r\nThe Holy Girl, La Nia santa - Lucrecia Martel 2004\r\n\r\nDon\'t Move, Non ti muovere - Sergio Castellitto 2004\r\n\r\nHead On, Gegen die Wand - Fatih Akin 2004\r\n\r\nUntold Scandal, Joseon namnyeo sangyeoljisa - Je-yong Lee 2003\r\n\r\nSerenity - Joss Whedon 2005\r\n\r\nCrash - Paul Haggis 2004\r\n\r\nVital - Shinya Tsukamoto 2004\r\n\r\nHowl\'s Moving Castle, Hauru no ugoku shiro 2004\r\n\r\nGhost in the Shell 2: Innocence, Inosensu: Kkaku kidtai - Mamoru Oshii 2004\r\n\r\nSurprisingly easy although there are many other contenders including:\r\n\r\nSomersault - Cate Shortland 2004\r\nTurtles Can Fly, Lakposhtha hm parvaz mikonand - Bahman Ghobadi 2004\r\nThe Consequences of Love, Le Conseguenze dell\'Amore - Paolo Sorrentino 2004\r\n2046 - Wong Kar Wai 2004\r\nThe Descent - Neil Marshall 2005\r\nBroken Flowers - Jim Jarmusch 2005\r\n\r\nand many more I can\'t think of right now.\r\n\r\nStill unsure as to what I think of Battle in Heaven, need to see it again.\r\n\r\nStand out non-theatrical\'s include:\r\n\r\n3-Iron, Bin Yip - Kim Ki-duk 2004\r\nThe Wayward Cloud, Tian bian yi duo yun - Tsai Ming-liang 2005 \r\nand many more.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','ffcf6b16f48b4d8a15069361e456eeca',0,'','2xMu48ph',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7744,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140839340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Great list, Trev. There are only a couple of films on it that I haven\'t seen (I think I should watch Serenity before making mine).','a6e32f9cec5eee2d3840476c83d51d34',0,'','EKex15F3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7745,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140875940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Thanks arsaib4, I can\'t say it\'s conclusively my top 10 but each film listed stood out from the crowd.\r\n\r\nDespite being out of action in June, I know I made at least 130 visits to the cinema last year so there are definitely a few choices that may have slipped out of my memory.\r\n\r\nAs for \"Serenity\", it\'s cheesy, it\'s hokey, it\'s great fun, the best popcorn movie for years imho. I thought it was the perfect antidote to the horrendously overbloated blockbusters from the last few years. \r\n\r\nSince taking the advice of wpqx and watching the \"Firefly\" series it has gone up in my estimation, it was a bloody good movie, now it\'s great.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','1e5eb914fa8a65c8949084bccda0f347',0,'','yFc4QNUY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7746,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143875520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','My Rules :\r\n\r\n*A 2005 theatrical release was eligible only if it was officially distributed. (Single/Special screenings were not considered.)\r\n\r\n*A 2005 re-release was eligible only if the new print consisted of an altered or a more complete version of the film.\r\n\r\n*A 2005 stright-to-DVD release was eligible only if the film had its World Premiere within the last 5 years.\r\n\r\n__________________________\r\n\r\n1 \r\nEdvard Munch (1974) - Peter Watkins / Norway-Sweden\r\n\r\nThe Holy Girl (La Nia Santa) - Lucrecia Martel / Argentina\r\n\r\nThe Passenger (Professione: reporter / 1975) - Michelangelo Antonioni / Italy\r\n\r\n2 \r\nDrifters (Er Di) - Wang Xiaoshuai / China\r\n\r\nGood Morning, Night (Buongiorno, Notte) - Marco Bellocchio / Italy\r\n\r\nThe Intruder (L\'Intrus) - Claire Denis / France\r\n\r\nMunich - Steven Spielberg / U.S.\r\n\r\nThe Story of Marie and Julien (Histoire de Marie et Julien) - Jacques Rivette / France\r\n\r\nThe Weeping Meadow (Trilogia I: To Livadi pou dakryzei) - Theo Angelopoulos / Greece\r\n\r\nThe World (Shijie) - Jia Zhangke / China\r\n\r\n3 \r\nGames of Love and Chance (L\'Esquive) - Abdellatif Kechiche / France\r\n\r\nA History of Violence - David Cronenberg / U.S.\r\n\r\nMy Mother\'s Smile (L\'Ora di Religione: Il Sorriso di mia Madre) - Marco Bellocchio / Italy\r\n\r\nThe New World - Terrence Malick / U.S.\r\n\r\nSaraband - Ingmar Bergman / Sweden\r\n\r\n4 \r\nCaf Lumire (Kh jik) - Hou Hsiao-hsien / Japan\r\n\r\nForty Shades of Blue - Ira Sachs / U.S.\r\n\r\nInnocence - Lucile Hadzihalilovic / France\r\n\r\nKeane - Lodge Kerrigan / U.S.\r\n\r\nLast Days - Gus Van Sant / U.S.\r\n\r\n3-Iron (Bin-Jip) - Kim Ki-duk / S. Korea\r\n\r\n5 \r\nBee Season - Scott McGehee & David Siegel / U.S.\r\n\r\nCrash - Paul Haggis / U.S.\r\n\r\nHappy Endings - Don Roos / U.S.\r\n\r\nMad Hot Ballroom - Marilyn Agrelo / U.S.\r\n\r\nOr (My Treasure) (Mon trsor) - Keren Yedaya / Israel','b0941b0cd1a0576a23b7741ffdd05bed',0,'','1LJ5bYBs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7747,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143877440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten (2005)','You might also want to make a rule explaining having 26 films as opposed to just 10, I know last year was a pretty good year for movies, but damn.','ee12b2a4544cae641dd9cb9393619517',0,'','VXN1dp0l',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7748,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143887400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Actually, these are just \"the cream of the crop.\" I still have to post another batch of films that aren\'t far behind. 2005 wasn\'t merely a good year, it was a GREAT year in film (at least when it comes to films that came out in the U.S.) Watch the latest from Denis and Rivette and the two from Bellocchio, etc. and your list might expand too! (Anyway, my list is relatively short compared to one from A.)','99f1b92410513021bc4402fd9c7d2ee5',0,'','SZXGDLnj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7749,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143893280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Top Ten (2005)','arsaib4, I was wondering if Innocence had been released in the U.S. I\'m quite surprised you haven\'t commented on it. Also thank\'s for reminding me of a few others like the enchanting The Story of Marie and Julien and the joyous Mad Hot Ballroom, both of which should have made it into my listings.\r\n\r\nStill waiting for The World and others.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','0da6ddfaf140d1b12521aa16dca0a63a',0,'','ecYsUabx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7750,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143954240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Innocence received limited theatrical distribution in the U.S. I didn\'t get to see it on the big-screen, so I had to borrow the French DVD from a friend. I haven\'t yet gotten to a lot of films that deserve to be talked about, including Innocence, but you and John have written about it so well that there isn\'t much for me to add.\r\n\r\nThe World is now out on DVD in the U.S., just to let you know. Avoid the \"official\" Chinese version which is severely edited.','f4f1fd8d4d7dfaa9e6585fa54cbcf6ac',0,'','XRrN4qWG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7751,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144047480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','@ WPX\r\n\r\nYou have much \"broader\" taste than me. \r\n\r\nObvious, literal, preachy melodrama like Crash mixed with highly original, timely, important, innovation like The World. Not to mention Angeloplous and Pride & Prejudice appearing on the same list. \r\n\r\nWhat do you see in those moronic mainstream films?','f2af23a73ef37f92dba3f1d043a06e78',0,'','yK5BTY2P',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7752,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144118400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Well not as if my tastes need defending but a good bit of melodrama can go a long way. Obviously looking at arsaib\'s list I wasn\'t the only person fond of Crash. To me the film spoke on a timely issue with a nice mixture of compassion and entertainment. As much as I love foreign films, due to my upbringing and location, my greatest exposure is to US releases, and the easiest films to see are mainstream. I completely missed Innocence, if in fact it ever was released in the US. Likewise there are a lot of films I still need to see, but I felt I saw enough to comment on the ten best of the year. \r\n\r\nAs for my taste well its always like this. I mean looking at my list from 1980, my two favorite films are Berlin Alexanderplatz and Ordinary People, certainly a contrasting pair. I\'m sorry you find my taste for \"moronic mainstream films\" appalling, but you shouldn\'t be too quick to dismiss them. Some critics become quite the opposite, movie snobs dismissing first rate films just because they have a large budget and are playing in mainstream theaters. I also don\'t find much of a stretch including Pride and Prejudice and the Weeping Meadow on the same list. Both films are period pictures with strong female leads shot primarily with long tracking shots, perhaps I only put Pride ahead because it had a sense of humor whereas Angelopoulus\' film was almost completly downbeat.\r\n\r\nbtw where\'s your list?','3326f43d3e3853dd7d95ce968b37a3f6',0,'','u8Re1bdi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7753,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144120380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','@ WP\r\n\r\nI\'m not the kind of person to right a film off because it has a large budget (i didn\'t realise Crash did have one), but i am the kind of person to right of self-righteous preachy melodrama, and Crash was most definitely that. \r\n\r\nI don\'t tend to check much mainstream stuff out because i don\'t like the way the money always ends up in the hands of the same A-mericans and i won\'t go to the multiplexes.\r\n\r\nDo you want a list of films that IMDB says were first released in 2005 or a list of \'new\' films that i first saw in 2005? (i live in Oz and we\'re behind so they\'d be drastically different) The latter would be hard to come up with because it\'d be a push to remember exactly when i saw most films, but i can try if you really are interested?','99e0100a2a7b0c31859327554b929e2d',0,'','Qx6b7udo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7754,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144130160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','If Crash is a preachy melodrama then we could use a few more of \'em in this country as long as they fairly deal with the issue of race. Think of the film as a stage play, with different characters confronting each other in various acts. (Haggis even winks at the audience near the end when he has a character involved in exactly the same situation he started the film with, thus emphasizing the cyclical nature of the problem.)','9cc5a925ffed0ca1ac45077d1708b69c',0,'','YzPqd0Kp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7755,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144142820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','It\'s not good to assume that someone hasn\'t understood a piece of art or hasn\'t picked up on little details just because they haven\'t adored it as much as you. \r\n\r\nI saw right through it, i don\'t like being preached to. Crash made me feel like i\'d been shouted out. You can sum all the intricate problems of racial tension in one film without being stereotypical and presumptuous. Crash is most definitely both of those things.\r\n\r\nThis country? USA? I\'m not from there so why would i be interested?','52a5b4a129797c331bc911b9a756b865',0,'','m09FgxtX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7756,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144143780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','It\'s quite obvious at this point that you aren\'t capable of replying in a thoughtful manner, so I\'d be wasting my time by going any further.','efdc625689a4dac87e3d3292a249f95d',0,'','hsjn5RUp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7757,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144209900,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Can you really not understand why a person who isn\'t from your country would be a bit sick of hearing about the place all the time? I live 10,000 miles away from the USA, but 75% of my daily life is related to it. There are much more pressing issue that need to be brought to the forefront of world thinking than the obvious amount of racism that exists in your country, a place that gets far too much attention as it is.\r\n\r\nSurely an intelligent person like yourself can understand that.','71aff07a7adcbaaf9e160fd9dffc49f8',0,'','4NW5FAcq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7758,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144211400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Here\'s my top 15 (couldn\'t get it down to 10, and can\'t order them) \"new\" films that were first shown in Oz in 2005. I realise the list could potentially look a bit odd to people from countries who are a little ahead of the Aussie\'s in terms of release dates.\r\n\r\n2046 - Wong Kar-Wai (HK)\r\n10e chambre: Instants d\'audience - Raymond Depardon (FRA)\r\nAll Tomorrow\'s Parties - Yu Lik-Wai (CHI)\r\nCach - Michael Haneke (FRA)\r\nChats perchs - Chris Marker (FRA)\r\nDarwin\'s Nightmare - Hubert Sauper (NET)\r\nL\'Enfant - Dardenne Brothers (BEL)\r\nL\'Intrus - Clare Denis (FRA)\r\nMelancholian 3 huonetta - Pirjo Honkasalo (FIN) \r\nLast Days - Gus van Sant (USA)\r\nLos Muertos - Lisandro Alonso (ARG)\r\nPromised Land - Amos Gitai (ISR)\r\nShijie - Jia Zhang-Ke (CHI)\r\nSud pralad - Apichatpong Weerasethakul (THA)\r\nThe White Diamond - Werner Herzog (USA)\r\n\r\n*The country indicates where most if not all of the cash came from, not the director.','7b83ea4e13090abc049725a006b93bef',0,'','1Y7sQnM6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7759,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144256220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Have seen one, want to see the rest. You\'re very lucky to get all this films to your cinema. I\'m in Berlin for a year now, but 6 of them haven\'t arrived here and the others I missed I\'m really bad when it comes to recent films, as most of the films I see at home and in the cinema are from the last century','840bf7e71f48e992b9c09d55bc90f30c',0,'','AuDx49ef',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7760,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144302660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Which one have you seen and what did you think of it?','176685d5cff2e8ec1b7b06ae8c90503e',0,'','pZ7c0TQw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7761,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144444980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Saw Cach by Haneke. I rated it 85, maybe doesn\'t say much to you, but for me it\'s short of a masterpiece. Enjoyed it immensly and it may end on my year end Top Ten. What I didn\'t like, was that the video-camera device was just that - a device. Could have done without it. But still a great charcter portrait of agonized Auteuil, and at the same time also a bit of a social study. My third favorite Haneke film so far.','17cabd8f0b0a617b1024fbbdd9aefe43',0,'','sKXM9PLp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7762,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1144907160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Wasn\'t that the point? People watching and judging others through such devices? Haven\'t you done that by watching the film in the first place?','ad6f43e237df7105e585862a93b9c4bb',0,'','FebJAtrH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7763,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1145914500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','could you explain your point further?','8e3dc10c0361092fc9a4eff83713d01c',0,'','aDwleocn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7764,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146708300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','HONORABLE MENTIONS \r\n\r\nMy Rules: (Same as the ones applied to the primary Best of 2005 list. Click Here.)\r\n\r\n____________________________\r\n\r\n1 \r\nTout de Suite - Benot Jacquot / France\r\n\r\nBolivia - Adrin Caetano / Argentina\r\n\r\nDas de Santiago (Days of Santiago) - Josue Mendez / Peru\r\n\r\nDon\'t Move (Non Ti Muovere) - Sergio Castellitto / Italy\r\n\r\nHead-On (Gegen die Wand) - Fatih Akin / Germany-Turkey\r\n\r\nHowl\'s Moving Castle (Hauru no ugoku shiro) - Hayao Miyazaki / Japan\r\n\r\nLove in Thoughts (Was ntzt die Liebe in Gedanken) - Achim von Borries / Germany\r\n\r\nProof - John Madden / U.S.\r\n\r\nShes One of Us (Elle est des ntres) - Siegrid Alnoy / France\r\n\r\nWall (Mur) - Simone Bitton / France-Israel\r\n\r\n2 \r\nAna y los Otros (Ana and the Others) - Celina Murga / Argentina\r\n\r\nThe Constant Gardener - Fernando Meirelles / U.S.-U.K.\r\n\r\nThe Ice Harvest - Harold Ramis / U.S.\r\n\r\nKings and Queen (Rois et Reine) - Arnaud Desplechin / France\r\n\r\nMurderball - Henry Alex Rubin & Dana Adam Shapiro / U.S.\r\n\r\nPulse (Kairo) - Kiyoshi Kurosawa / Japan\r\n\r\nSometimes in April - Raoul Peck / U.S.\r\n\r\nTropical Malady (Sud Pralad) - Apichatpong Weerasethakul / Thailand\r\n\r\nTurtles Can Fly (Lakposhtha hm parvaz mikonand) - Bahman Ghobadi / Iran-Iraq\r\n\r\nWallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit - Steve Box & Nick Park / U.K.\r\n\r\n3 \r\nCaterina in the Big City (Caterina va in Citt) - Paolo Virz / Italy\r\n\r\nDoppelgnger (Dopperugeng) - Kiyoshi Kurosawa / Japan\r\n\r\nLords of Dogtown - Catherine Hardwicke / U.S.\r\n\r\nMachuca - Andrs Wood / Chile\r\n\r\nMy Summer of Love - Paul Pavlikovsky / U.K.\r\n\r\nNo Rest for the Brave (Pas de repos pour les braves) - Alain Guiraudie / France\r\n\r\nNot on the Lips (Pas sur la Bouche) - Alain Resnais / France\r\n\r\nSchizo (Shiza) - Guka Omarova / Kazakhstan\r\n\r\nA State of Mind - Daniel Gordon / U.K.\r\n\r\nLa Virgen de la Lujuria (The Virgin of Lust) - Arturo Ripstein / Mexico\r\n\r\n4 \r\nBallets Russes - Daniel Geller & Dayna Goldfine / U.S.\r\n\r\nBrothers (Brdre) - Susanne Bier / Denmark\r\n\r\nChekhovian Motifs (Chekhovskie Motivy) - Kira Muratova / Russia\r\n\r\nIntimate Stories (Historias Mnimas) - Carlos Sorin / Argentina\r\n\r\nMe and You and Everyone We Know - Miranda July / U.S.\r\n\r\n9 Songs - Michael Winterbottom / U.K.\r\n\r\nOjos Que No Ven (What the Eye Doesn\'t See) - Francisco Lombardi / Peru\r\n\r\nPornografia (Pornography) - Jan Jakub Kolski / Poland\r\n\r\nSamaritan Girl (Samaria) - Kim Ki-duk / S. Korea\r\n\r\nSin City - Robert Rodriguez & Frank Miller / U.S.\r\n_________________________\r\n\r\n*For reviews and other info, please visit our FILM INDEX.','2e14b62ee26a4f031220d9e4851cab4f',0,'','BQWG7Ar1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7765,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146710520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Man arsaib, you have seen really a loooot from last year. I guess you have caught up with some in 2006?\r\nI thought 2005 was a rather weak year, but hell, I haven\'t seen most of your 50+ recommendations. Now I have much to look forward to.','b227cac3dc493cc76874ee9de705d487',0,'','QZPkrEas',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7766,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146711000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Hehe. Yeah, it might look like I mentioned a lot of films, but, believe me, it was very difficult to leave out quite a few others from the nearly 275 films from 2005 that I watched. (Yes, some were seen in 2006 and a few prior to their release last year.)','12f04f606f9fd18dae43a1fb7fd0b06d',0,'','EQMloxG6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7767,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146711600,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','275??  \r\nOh my god, you have watched..., I don\'t know what to say. I don\'t know if I have seen more than 100 films from any year overall! \r\nI think my maximum \"new\" cinema/DVD releases I\'ve watched in a single year is maybe 2005 with 50. \r\nAnd I don\'t think I\'ll make more in the future (that is, if I don\'t become a \"professional\" reviewer )\r\nThough I usually watch about 400 films a year, I prefer watching older films, or rewatch some of the ones i\'ve already seen.\r\nAre you keeping a \"viewing log\" for all the stuff you watch. I would love to see it.','489a332a6dabfb3868f20f86585dbfc6',0,'','kNZHQgUM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7768,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146713340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','\r\n\r\nYeah, 275 is a bit much. But since I contribute to the school paper from time-to-time, I get to watch most new films for free. But I\'ve already started to cut down this year. As you know, I don\'t post many lists, and that\'s because I don\'t make many. Last year was the first time I kept a journal of all the 2005 releases that I watched. (I\'m a bit old school in that regard so it was done with pencil and paper.) I am in the process of transferring it, so I\'ll either post it here or send it to you.','5773eb33c0d30ab6edf1a8a16f099bac',0,'','tirCnvJG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7769,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146714780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','A bit much? I\'m worried about you seeing that many films. Do you work as a reviewer?\r\n\r\nI can\'t even imagine why someone would want to watch that many new films, you must\'ve seen lots of bad ones? How about a list of dire films you saw in 2005? that\'d be interesting. Do you watch everything that gets released or just go to all the festivals in North America?\r\n\r\nAlso, just wondering what you liked about 9 Songs.','d25ed570ede158eb00b04458fb0a30ce',0,'','3kFGrmy2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7770,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146718980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','@arsaib\r\nI\'ll try to open a \"new\" viewing log thread, after I finally complete my notes`on January (the other months will follow). Maybe you can post it there?\r\nI think that my viwing log thread for 2005 should be somewhere in the best & worst Forum. You could also post there.\r\nBut sending it to me via mail would be great. \r\nAlready thanks for your efforts.','dc448fb84329e8bc44b9b2d79a73faa7',0,'','ZlDmieXj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7771,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146722460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','9 Songs was an honest attempt by Winterbottom to examine a relationship which is purely based on physical attraction. And the means he employed was at once obvious and quite unique: sex. He wasn\'t totally successful, because ultimately characters were required to channel their emotions through their \"body language,\" and he didn\'t quite have the actors to do so, which is what, say, Chereau (Intimacy) and Tsai (The Wayward Cloud) had. But still, the film eventually did develop an emotional resonance. And as is the case with most Winterbottom films, it was technically brilliant. (I also shouldn\'t forget the music.)','bd11b6623706614608c0f0881342c7ab',0,'','hyo4FgWa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7772,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146726420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','mmm....\"attempt\" being the operative word (as with most Winterbottom films). the music was the only good part. I agree that he wasn\'t successful, completely unsuccessful to the point of ridiculousness actually. Technically brilliant though? are you joking. I thought it was quite badly filmed and edited, as with most Winterbottom films. Also, as with most Winterbottom films, he seems to think that the conception is enough, he\'s a lazy film-maker. Neither of the characters explored anything other than a bunch of decent bands in this film. Not only did he not have the actors of Tsai or Chereau, he doesn\'t have the talent as a film-maker either. I didn\'t see any emotional resonance at all, the voice over was so heavy-handed. Comparing the Antarctic to two lovers in a bed is fine if it\'s done visually, but then to slam us over the head with it through the voice over too just shows such a lack of respect for the viewers ability to think for themselves.','905b6db6f882fbce3d8b59f555f2fbe1',0,'','QY7xAXop',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7773,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146857280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten (2005)','My list seems poorly informed, based on arsaib\'s resources. I have tried picking up a few of the films on your regular list, so provided we have a similar taste in films (which occasionally we do) I might find a reason to modify my list. With any year though, my list seems constantly evolving. Even years I thought I had everything covered (2002 for example) I\'m constantly finding new films and filmmakers to explore. It\'ll be awhile before I\'m confortable with posting top tens for every year (1927-present), but that would be a very fascinating group of lists. We can debate the best films of last year fairly easily because everyone has seen a fair amount (at least 10 anyways), but I think it would be a lot more interesting arguing over the best films of 1958, just a thought.','f3e757611c66046b6f9d7123ceb4ae1f',0,'','kUx0AaTN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7774,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146875880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Hehe, I\'m also trying to compile this, but from 1895 onwards. My biggest problem though, is that my taste has evolved during the last couple of years, and I\'d probably need to rewatch some 3000+ films...\r\nI just hope that my tastes won\'t have made a similar switch when I have watched a satisfying number of films. But my task actually isn\'t as difficult as it seems, because I am satisfied with a Top Ten, if it\'s full of \"masterpieces\" (imo of course): that means that I could theoretically watch ten films from 1933 next week, and if they bring me to my knees, the year is \"done\" (of course modifying still takes place with every new film I see). On the other hand I could see one hundred, and still have only 5 worthy of such a high ranking. \r\nBut so far I pretty much know myself and a bit of filmhistory, meaning that my guess on what I\'ll probably think of a film, even when I haven\'t seen it yet, is pretty close 70% of the time.','d1c64c685db058070c890fe60ae967b3',0,'','UGxaq9v5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7775,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146901140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','My list contains 7 films that are also on yours, wpqx, a fairly decent amount even though I\'ve listed more.\r\n\r\nFrench drama, Games of Love and Chance, which A also loves, just came out on DVD. Same with Claire Denis\' The Intruder and Marco Bellocchio\'s Good Morning, Night, but you\'re probably aware of the latter two since they did very well at the end of the year. The Holy Girl and Rivette\'s The Story of Marie and Julien have been available for quite a while now. But don\'t overlook the two relatively unknown American films on my list: Lodge Kerrigan\'s Keane and Ira Sachs\' Forty Shades of Blue.','c4bea6d0c9d9554fae75db6c20887e9d',0,'','uzaiJnlr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7776,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1146957840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','In fact i try to remember all of the film you recommend arsaib, as I value your taste very much. It also seems closest to mine from all the people on the board. But generally if someone recommends a film here, or writes a glowing review, I mark it down in my mind. My only \"problem\" is that I don\'t see nowhere as many new cinema releases as the rest of you. So I\'ll catch up with most of these films, but only god knows when.','cc45e7b3dc51636c6d10e2f82066bd2d',0,'','A2C1Pdm3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7777,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147053540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Same here. I\'ve seen many films because of you and others that I probably wouldn\'t have even heard of otherwise. It may not seem like it but our core group has been together for quite a while now, and we have certainly developed a good understanding of eachother.','52447bb5b4951e68ef5de946058a0373',0,'','SUpzH8cY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7778,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147075320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Just added a couple to my list that i remembered i saw first 2005 and not 2004. Big mistake on Tropical Malady, loved it!','9bf38ba906e649d4f339ccbcf6b32880',0,'','Hi2QK7Ye',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7779,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147112880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten (2005)','@arsaib\r\n\r\nTo be honest, I ordered Holy Girl and Good Morning Night because they were on your list, and as I found out Trevor\'s list as well. I learned a long time ago none of us have identical tastes, but there are some films that we all admire, and at least for most of us core members we all have a remarkably open taste in movies, and I for one respect your attitudes and opinions on films. \r\n\r\nSpeaking of recommendations, I just realized yesterday that Innocence actually did have a run here in Chicago, which I completely missed (but in my defense it was the same week Brokeback Mountain, King Kong, and the dreadful Memoirs of a Geisha came out). Haven\'t heard of any US DVD yet, but I\'ll catch up.','401a52f45efbc29853e03b62ace5a513',0,'','XziYkqU3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7780,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147133700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Thanks for your kind remarks.\r\n\r\nTh DVD release date of Innocence hasn\'t been announced yet, but when it is I\'ll let you know.','b12d8a5a8168503fc1c6598709c03c66',0,'','wgQ8M32A',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7781,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147165860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','Quote:and at least for most of us core members we all have a remarkably open taste in movies\r\n\r\n\"core\"?................... i\'m offended.','bf5478d896dd4fd0ae684877a4602d64',0,'','boA54TRj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7782,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147195860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten (2005)','sorry noob, I meant for the members who\'ve been regularly posting, since before this site came to ezboard.','93ef64213337dcc4c31b8c4583c97d40',0,'','BaRSAiFD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7783,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147209300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten (2005)','IT\'s just that some of us have been around for a year or longer, before this site crashed in september(?) 2004 for the 2nd time, and those are also the people who opened it anew.','d6d765175208800a4e705091c0be2f03',0,'','ziMr6aGj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7784,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147244820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','what\'s a noob?','0181fb43ef7230580f7cdc66f12bf596',0,'','JzkfQtni',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7785,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147369200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten (2005)','A new member, also spelled newbie. Generally its duragatory and used by senior members of sites and establishments to haze the newcomers.','ed83be98e5710192ceba494c103718af',0,'','S5AzwkHe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7786,1558,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147418940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Top Ten (2005)','man, i must not be cool enough to have known that. i\'d be really proud of your status if i were you.','4aee4c609e2bfcdb3871ae697885c38b',0,'','bGCH5z08',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7787,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1119633720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Your top 10 foreign language films','I\'m not one for lists myself but I remember we had a good response to this topic before the crash, just list your favourite 10 foreign films preferably in order.\r\n\r\nNow I\'ve restarted this I\'ll have to try and work out my own top 10.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','b214c8ad5d99686abe970f7f3215b980',0,'','KGLjSU5u',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7788,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1119651360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Ok, almost a year has passed (ok, half a year ), but I\'ve seen sooooo many great films, it has changed completely. \r\nOk, here\'s my modified NEW! Top Ten.\r\nI think by now you\'ve guessed there hasn\'t been much going on,...\r\n\r\n1. To vlemma tou Odyssea \"Ulysse\'s Gaze\" (1995 / Greece / Theo Angelopoulos)\r\n2. Eureka (2000 / Japan / Shinji Aoyama)\r\n3. La maman et la putain \"The mother and the whore\" (1973 / France / Jean Eustache)\r\n4. Barry Lyndon (1975 / UK / Stanley Kubrick)\r\n5. Andrei Rublyov (1969 / Soviet Union / Andrei Tarkovski)\r\n6. Topazu \"Tokyo Decadence\" (1992 / Japan / Ryu Murakami)\r\n7. Les anfants du paradis \"Children of paradise\" (1945 / France / Marcel Carne)\r\n8. Deus E o Diabo na Terra do Sol \"Black God, White Devil\" (1964 / Brazil / Glauber Rocha)\r\n9. Xich lo \"Cyclo\" (1995 / Vietnam, France / Tran Anh Hung)\r\n10. Pola X (1999 / France / Leos Carax)','05219309b2246f22386321b97a108388',0,'','RQaBVESC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7789,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1119769320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','I thought about re-starting this topic, but honestly I wonder if top tens are enough. I mean they\'re simple, and can offer some great recomendations to visitors, but can ten films really describe your taste in movies? There are films and directors I absolutely love that wouldn\'t be represented in a top ten or twenty, or hell maybe even 50. Some directors are a blast to watch but don\'t have any specifically great films, particularly Seijin Suzuki and his American counterpart Samuel Fuller. That said I still will chime in, although mine hasn\'t really modified much.\r\n\r\n8 (1963) - Federico Fellini\r\nWeekend (1967) - Jean Luc Godard\r\nTo Live (1994) - Zhang Yimou\r\nNapoleon (1927) - Abel Gance\r\nLa Dolce Vita (1960) - Federico Fellini\r\nLandscape in the Mist (1988) - Theo Angeloupolus\r\nBerlin Alexanderplatz (1980) - Rainer Werner Fassbinder\r\nAndrzej Wajdas Warsaw Trilogy: A Generation, Kanal, Ashes and Diamonds (1954,1957,1958) - Andrzej Wajda\r\nThe Color of Pomegranates (1969) - Sergei Paradjanov\r\nThe Man With a Movie Camera (1929) - Dziga Vertov\r\n\r\nI know it hasn\'t changed much, but well it takes a lot to shake my top ten.','c5f1797e88e5ec954f36c20929f1646e',0,'','j5DEe276',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7790,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1119843720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','1.La Regle du Jeu\r\n2.Sayat Nobva(Colour Of Pomegranate)\r\n3.Tokyo Story\r\n4.Zerkalo(Mirror)\r\n5.L\'Atalante\r\n6.Nights Of Cabiria\r\n7.Ordet\r\n8.Diary Of A Country Priest\r\n9.Ikiru\r\n10.La Grande Illusion\r\n\r\nthe one\'s i can go back again & again.\r\nCheers Chas','d83e9779940534a8db67900ebe4f8c15',0,'','xN516gnk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7791,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1119865380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','No comments, just list.\r\n\r\n1. 8 1/2 (Federico Fellini, 1963)\r\n2. Andrei Rublyov (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1969)\r\n3. Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974)\r\n4. La Dolce Vita (Federico Fellini, 1960)\r\n5. L\'avventura (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1960)\r\n6. Sansho the Bailiff (Kenji Mizoguchi, 1954)\r\n7. Persona (Ingmar Bergman, 1966)\r\n8. Sayat Nova (Sergei Parajanov, 1969)\r\n9. Diary of a Country Priest (Robert Bresson, 1950)\r\n10.Wild Strawberries (Ingmar Bergman, 1957)','6ea750f953cd9f542d7cd7b5ef676937',0,'','pUmhaxAz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7792,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124618280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','btw Trevor, where\'s your list that you were gonna post?\r\n\r\npardon me but I\'m bumping some old topics because I\'m hoping in some small way I can spark a little more debate in these threads that shouldn\'t be dead yet.','cf212b950faf002b22d1c3a65af74ebb',0,'','YXlxcLQ9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7793,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124642580,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Can\'t do a top 10 so I\'ll list 10 of my favourites and films that have affected me in some way.\r\n\r\nIn no particular order.\r\n\r\nJu Dou - Zhang Yimou - China \r\nAt the Height of Summer - Anh Hung - Tran Vietnam \r\nThe Isle - Ki-duk Kim - South Korea\r\nAi no Corrida - Nagisa Oshima - Japan\r\nPersona - Ingmar Bergman - Sweden\r\n400 Blows - Franois Truffaut - France\r\nThree Colours Trilogy - Krzysztof Kieslowski - France/Poland\r\nThe Mirror - Andrei Tarkovsky - Russia\r\nSeven Samurai - Akira Kurosawa - Japan\r\nBlue Gate Crossing - Chin-yen Yee - Taiwan\r\n\r\nBalls that\'s 10 already, there are so many others that could easily make the list.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','ac5f685d4f3c6d0e3e6cfb9f772e0101',0,'','VDapAtsS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7794,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124654040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','The Mirror really seems to be a popular film amongst the regulars here. I\'ve been meaning to watch it again. I loved it the first time, but apparently not as much as some of you. \r\n\r\nBTW what Oshima film is that (whay I mean is does it have an English title), his films are not easy to come across, although I did find a source for Death by Hanging, so within a few weeks I should be able to see it.','d131363c0af51a420625f501cf633d51',0,'','4NHifZCn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7795,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124684160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Sorry the Oshima film is the infamous In the Realm of the Senses, totally blew me away when I first saw it somewhere around 1981.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','29b8b39bba6e2b41283ba5c9200a522a',0,'','TAkW7sVH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7796,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124886720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','The great thing about these lists is that it gives me the incentive to try and hunt out films I\'ve often never heard of, the problem though is that a lot of them are almost impossible to find.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev','ca493c4c1990bc4564328067326a1bc1',0,'','EcuimhJt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7797,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135470000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','1.Sansho the Bailiff\r\n2.Mirror\r\n3.Andrei Rublev\r\n4.The Green Ray/ Summer\r\n5.Maborosi\r\n6.Celine and Julie go Boating\r\n7.L\'Avventura\r\n8.Alice in the Cities\r\n9.Rules of the Game\r\n10.Tales of the Taira Clan\r\n+\r\nSeven Samurai\r\nTokyo Story\r\nPather Panchali\r\nStory of the Late Chrysanthemums\r\nAbraham Valley\r\nPierrot le Fou\r\nThe Colour of Pomegranates\r\n8 1/2\r\nUgetsu Monogatari\r\nA Day in the Country','86f4aeb57870f38d910264382ae429d2',0,'','fRil5sJg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7798,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135474440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Johndav, could it be? aka Mizoguchi, aka john5 aka John Davies?\r\n\r\nLooking at your list, you must be one and the same. Welcome back.\r\n\r\nSorry, didn\'t see your French top 10 post, as I\'m sure you\'ll realise if you look at the \"Where are they now?\" thread, you\'ve been missed.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','8863c8558302d2e28cb452df17348484',0,'','YUhCtWbf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7799,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135476360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Hi to my compatriot- even if i am now in France! Portugal was the most wonderful place but the house-buying didn\'t work out (financial disaster), so after retreating to UK we ended up here and i\'ve only now got a new laptop. Did get to see the location of Oliveira\'s masterpiece Abraham Valley in the stunning Douro valley, though, but my feelings now towards the film will be bitter-sweet for a while. From Wales, I\'m missing the Brecon-Monmouth canal most. Oh happy walks and boating hols there.','c70d4710875b112c4512a78b597076f5',0,'','AovDGigL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7800,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135480200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Sorry to hear about your problems but I know I won\'t be the only one who\'ll be \"gwlad\" to see you back.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','a4f8558207c09a0f79949aaadd95125d',0,'','hAMYVbj7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7801,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135506300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Absolutely. It\'s great to have you back, John; I\'m glad that you remembered us.','49cce183e0bd4e3e297b37c28b834fc5',0,'','GxrfdpoH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7802,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135521720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Thanks so much to you both. I only wish i could contribute some new exciting stuff but i\'m miles (or should that now be kilometres?) behind with viewing this year so for a while i\'ll be a bit predictable. We\'ve certainly had incredible ups + downs this year, but somehow it\'s been fantastic in getting us out of a rut. And i\'m trying to get used to the idea of life being more about experiences than just the goal of happiness. Like a good novel i suppose? \r\n\r\nA: Murakami\'s Tokyo Decadence: i didn\'t think it was a patch on Haruki Murakami\'s masterpiece novel The Wind Up Bird Chronicle, and i see the usually very admirable Geoff Andrew gives it a pasting in Time Out film guide. May make an interesting double bill with Ai no Corrida? I noticed it first in a couple of top 10\'s in a Time Out poll several years back. It\'s glossy and quite disturbing i suppose (my memory\'s a bit vague) and i\'d be interested in why you rate it so highly, and i\'ll certainly have to take another look.','94d758603cca946d293de89c3a4266f2',0,'','1MSvWdxr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7803,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135627440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Hi John\r\nThough I like reading Goeff Andrew, I disagrre with him. For me this is the best Japanese film of the 90s I`ve seen so far, and an astonishing film by novelist Ryu Murakami. As far as I know, it`s based on a novel of his, and after reading his debut \"Almost transparent blue\" from the 70s just recently, I must read and see more from this man. The film is a case study of alienation and isolation in our postmodern era. A young girl in Tokyo that works as a prostitute and is still \"in love\" with her former boyfriend who left her. You mainly watch her wandering around, and doing her job, but it`s all in the atmosphere the glances, and the protagonists superb introverted performance. As in his book Murakami is a master in visual storytelling, giving life to almost every object, to me similar to the way Borowczyk worked.\r\nCan`t write more now, but I only saw a butchered and dubbed 90min. copy, but the impact was still very heavy..\r\nIf I get to rewatch it I`ll write more.','af7b224915759d51fc82711f23647fa9',0,'','XBjQ9Gr8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7804,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135849200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hengcs','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','\r\nwelcome back Johndav','406a7537b01fa0d1981d289541c3dd71',0,'','VulU9R1p',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7805,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147074840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','1 per director and i could only get it down to 11. Chrono order....\r\n\r\nPais (1946) - Rossellini \r\nJournal d\'un cur de campagne (1951) - Bresson \r\nTokyo monogatari (1953) - Ozu \r\nL\'Avventura (1960) - Antononioni \r\nVivre sa vie (1963) - Godard \r\nTeorema (1968) - Pasolini \r\nIl Conformista (1970) - Bertolucci \r\nAguirre, der Zorn Gottes (1972) - Herzog \r\nStalker (1979) - Tarkovsky \r\nSans soleil (1983) - Marker \r\nLa Belle noiseuse (1991) - Rivette \r\n\r\nOnly 3 that aren\'t french or italian, strange. It\'s a dull list.\r\n\r\nI don\'t class The Last Laugh as any language because it has no inter-titles, otherwise it\'d be on this list.','52040c0d59fa2ac011dced83bbf07ae1',0,'','ctzC7yJa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7806,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147113180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','In your defense Anasazie, top ten lists rarely if ever offer a comprehensive view of cinematic tastes. I\'m surprised you liked Paisa so much, seems like that along with most Neo-Realist films would be too obvious and manipulative for your tastes. Likewise the Pasolini was a bit of a surprise, and embarassingly it\'s one of about 3 films of his I haven\'t yet seen.','eb067081336e74c4e80eea4cda9cf3ce',0,'','h1n5VkKP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7807,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147165440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Quote:In your defense Anasazie, top ten lists rarely if ever offer a comprehensive view of cinematic tastes.\r\n\r\nWhat does that mean? Are you talking about the Franco/Italiano comment i made?\r\n\r\nHave you seen Paisa? It\'s not manipulative at all, i find it quite subtle and it has much more going on than that silly neo-realist label suggests, just like Germany, Year Zero does. It\'s not a De Sica film dude!\r\n\r\nYou\'d hate the Pasolini film WP, it\'s very different to the others of his that i\'ve seen.','8e906bcba0407a32330396963caaff87',0,'','oSm45ipu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7808,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147196640,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','Well that might be a good thing regarding Pasolini, I\'ve found nearly all of his films flawed in some way (Gospel being the closest to a masterpiece imo). Yes, I have seen Paisa, and I didn\'t find it any more subtle than Open City or Germany Year Zero. De Seca is characteristically a little more sentimental, perhaps why his films were more popular here (or at least with the Academy). I think Rossellini is a far better director and filmmaker, but I preferred his later, more introspective films. Perhaps he can be excused but his first few films were all obsessed with WWII, and perhaps I\'ve just seen too damn many films about the war.\r\n\r\nAs for that comment, I was saying that top ten lists are limited by nature. Perhaps a list of the top ten Iranian films you\'ve seen might be accurate, or a top ten for a specific year, but when you try and list all the international films made in all years and narrow it to ten choices, it can\'t possibly express your tastes accurately. Hell I wonder if even 100 films can.','450efc7dabf29553c5f1e41d55782082',0,'','ZGNbD5xm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7809,1559,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1147244700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Your top 10 foreign language films','The Rossellini film in question is about much more than just world war 2 specifically, it\'s about all conflict and the aftermath of that, be it in a small psychological level or a huge world war level. It\'s about human nature and it\'s ability to adapt. It\'s not plain and american, so you kind of have to read it a bit deeper. I realise that most american war films are very one dimensional and i\'m sure your over-indulging of war films is because of the american ones, but i\'d definitely recommend re-watching Paisa if you can.','20b7e4687c58ac769a46dfc71c79dd49',0,'','oRlW0Abv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7810,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1122944400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','viewing log(s) 2005','I remember we had this on the old boards, and I guess it\'s kind of helpful to see what film other users are into at the moment. I\'ve posted June, cause I haven\'t written the log for July yet (yes, I know we have August already, but I\'m a lazy guy with little time).\r\nAs mentioned before, if you are interested in a film, just ask, and I\'ll give you my thoughts, so if you don\'t wanna hear me commenting a film, Don\'t mention it \r\nI put it in the best & worst category, because I rated all the films, he, he... \r\n\r\nHere goes (favorites bold):\r\n\r\nJune 2005\r\n\r\n001. (Jun 01) Albino Alligator (1996 / USA, France / Kevin Spacey) *** / ****\r\n002. (Jun 03) Pp le Moko (1937 / France / Julien Duvivier) *** / ****\r\n003. (Jun 03) Mein Leben Teil 2 (2003 / Germany / Angelika Levi) **3/4 / ****\r\n004. (Jun 03) Falling Angels (2003 / Canada, France / Scott Smith) *3/4 / ****\r\n005. (Jun 04) Strekoza i muravey The Dragonfly and the Ant (1913 / Russia / Wladyslaw Starewicz) **1/2 / ****\r\n006. (Jun 04) Noch pered Rozhdestvom Christmas Eve (1913 / Russia / Wladyslaw Starewicz) *3/4 / ****\r\n007. (Jun 04) Liliya Belgii The Lily of Belgium (1915 / Russia / Wladyslaw Starewicz) **3/4 / ****\r\n008. (Jun 04) Zro de conduite Zero for Conduct (1933 / France / Jean Vigo) *** / ****\r\n009. (Jun 04) The Saddest Music in the World (2003 / Canada / Guy Maddin) **1/2 / ****\r\n010. (Jun 04) Gohatto Taboo (1999 / Japan, UK, France / Nagisa Oshima) ***1/4 / ****\r\n011. (Jun 05) Cobra [soundtrack by Rodney Sauer, Susan Hall] (1925 / USA / Joseph Henabery) *** / ****\r\n012. (Jun 05) What\'s Eating Gilbert Grape (1993 / USA / Lasse Hallstrm) *** / ****\r\n013. (Jun 06) Robin Hood (1973 / USA / Wolfgang Reitherman) *** / ****\r\n014. (Jun 06) Ye Olden Days (1933 / USA / Burt Gillet) **1/2 / ****\r\n015. (Jun 07) The English Patient (1996 / USA / Anthony Minghella) ***1/4 / ****\r\n016. (Jun 07) La face cache de la lune The Far Side of the Moon (2003 / Canada / Robert Lepage) **3/4 / ****\r\n017. (Jun 07) Stagecoach (1939 / USA / John Ford) *** / ****\r\n018. (Jun 0 Fin aot, dbut septembre Late August, Early September (1998 / France / Olivier Assayas) *3/4 / ****\r\n019. (Jun 0 The Grapes of Wrath (1940 / USA / John Ford) ***1/4 / ****\r\n020. (Jun 10) Ballada o soldate Ballad of a Soldier (1959 / Soviet Union / Grigori Chukhraj) ***1/4 / ****\r\n021. (Jun 10) Spokj The Calm/Peace (1976 / Poland / Krzysztof Kieslowski) **3/4 / ****\r\n022. (Jun 11) Tenshi no tamago Angels Egg (1985 / Japan / Mamoru Osh) ***1/2 / ****\r\n023. (Jun 12) Rece do gry Hands Up! (1981 / Poland / Jerzy Skolimowski) **1/2 / ****\r\n024. (Jun 13) Of Mice and Men (1992 / USA / Gary Sinise) ***1/4 / ****\r\n025. (Jun 13) Sorcerer (1977 / USA / William Friedkin) *** / ****\r\n026. (Jun 14) Blanche (1971 / France / Walerian Borowczyk) ***1/2 / ****\r\n027. (Jun 15) Lust och fgring stor Love Lessons (1995 / Sweden, Denmark / Bo Widerberg) ***1/2 / ****\r\n028. (Jun 15) Cat People (1942 / USA / Jacques Tourneur) *** / ****\r\n029. (Jun 15) Tony Takitani (2004 / Japan / Jun Ichikawa) ***1/2 / ****\r\n030. (Jun 17) Dao ma zei The Horse Thief (1986 / China / Zhuangzhuang Tian) **3/4 / ****\r\n031. (Jun 1 Licence to Kill (1989 / UK, USA, Mexico / John Glen) **1/2 / ****\r\n032. (Jun 1 rkbefogads Adoption (1975 / Hungary / Mrta Mszros) ***1/4 / ****\r\n033. (Jun 19) Khane-ye doust kodjast? Where is my friends house? (1987 / Iran / Abbas Kiarostami) ***1/4 / **** \r\n034. (Jun 19) Those awful Hats (1909 / USA / David Wark Griffith) **1/2 / ****\r\n035. (Jun 19) The sealed Room (1909 / USA / David Wark Griffith) *3/4 / ****\r\n036. (Jun 19) A Corner in Wheat (1909 / USA / David Wark Griffith) **3/4 / ****\r\n037. (Jun 19) The unchanging Sea (1910 / USA / David Wark Griffith) **3/4 / ****\r\n038. (Jun 19) Aparajito The Unvanquished (1957 / India / Satyajit Ray) ***1/2 / ****\r\n039. (Jun 20) His Trust (1911 / USA / David Wark Griffith) **1/4 / ****\r\n040. (Jun 20) The New York Hat (1912 / USA / David Wark Griffith) **1/2 / ****\r\n041. (Jun 20) Uzak Distant (2002 / Turkey / Nuri Bilge Ceylan) ***1/4 / ****\r\n042. (Jun 20) Mayis sikintisi Clouds of May (1999 / Turkey / Nuri Bilge Ceylan) **1/2 / ****\r\n043. (Jun 21) Byt The Flat (1968 / Czechoslovakia / Jan Svankmajer) - no rating -\r\n044. (Jun 23) Finding Neverland (2004 / USA, UK / Marc Forster) *** / ****\r\n045. (Jun 24) Barfuss Barefoot (2005 / Germany / Til Schweiger) **1/4 / ****\r\n046. (Jun 2 Clo de 5 7 \"Cleo from 5 to 7\" (1961 / France, Italy / Agns Varda) ***1/2 / ****\r\n047. (Jun 29) Eijanaika \"Why Not?\" (1981 / Japan / Shohei Imamura) *** / ****\r\n048. (Jun 29) Au hasard Balthazar \"Balthazar\" (1966 / France, Sweden / Robert Bresson) ***1/4 / ****\r\n049. (Jun 29) Laura (1944 / USA / Otto Preminger, Rouben Mamoulian (uncredited)) *** / ****\r\n050. (Jun 30) Don\'t look now (1973 / UK, Italy / Nicolas Roeg) ***1/4 / ****','195b6bd9d08536dd3ce16dbcda0fd682',0,'','VkQUBtsi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7811,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1122961320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','My way of keeping track is the Last film seen thread, and even that I don\'t always update. I\'m a little disappointed in your rating of The Saddest Music in the World. I absolutely adored this film, and thought it was one of the most original and interesting films I had ever seen in my life. The unique quality of the film alone is enough to make it one of my favorites, and a top pick from the past year. Plus I\'m also a HUGE fan of the Kids in the Hall, so the fact that Mark McKinney was in it, earned tremendous points for me. \r\n\r\nNow I believe you are a tougher critic than I am, which may explain the absence of any **** ratings, or maybe you just really weren\'t overly impressed with any film you saw that month. Personally Balthazar is one of my all time favorites, but it has different effects on different people. Perhaps I\'ll start making annotations in my film cagalogue over which films I see on what dates. It\'s a new month so I can start it off right with at least a favorite of yours, Theo Angelopoulus\'s Ulysses Gaze.','c4cf253c75c2807cb175d5dec1d8d1e1',0,'','x5LQAlr3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7812,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1123008720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','I have my new rating system only since November last year, and I must admit, that I rarely give a film a **** rating. But this isn\'t so tragic, because a ***1/2 rating means a masterpiece on my scale \r\nBut I\'ve only started making complete viewing logs, since I\'ve become a member on www.listology.com.\r\nHere\'s an interesting overview: www.listology.com/content...t_id.17639\r\n\r\n**1/2 is a good rating, kind of a B (or B-) in the US, meaning that i normally thoroughly enjoyed the film. To be true, I was very disappointed by the film, because I had already seen Archangel and The Heart of the world (the latter got a **** / **** rating!), and my expectations were too high. But the rating dosen\'t reflect my disappointment (at least i hope so). I like Maria de Medeiros very much, am a fan of Isabella Rossellini, and Mark McKinney was outstanding in this (as he is in every film I\'ve seen him in), on the technical side there also aren\'t any flaws, I like Maddin\'s approach, the photography, the overall style. The problem was the story, which was very conventional, as a satire it was too flat, as a comedy too moody, and as a whole, it didn\'t take itself serious enough. Maddin discusses many grave issues, and it could\'ve been a great depression satire/ melodrama, but the melodramatic moments also don\'t achieve any depth, and are just played out for fun, and the fun - well, isn\'t funny. It was like Maddin had a bit spare time between projects, and wanted to take it easy. That\'s okay with me, but it doesn\'t make a remarkable film. \r\nBTW, a friend of mine who is a film student was blown away by the film, and totally enthusiastic (but I think it\'s maybe because he hasn\'t seen any other films by Maddin).\r\n\r\nBalthazar left me very impressed, therefore the ***1/4 rating (A-), but I need to see it again. May get to be one of my all time favorites. The atmosphere was pure magic. The only problem with me was, that I didn\'t \"get\" it all, as there was so much in the picture.\r\nI hope you\'ll enjoy Ulysse\'s Gaze. A film enthusiast i like to read rated it * star and called it unfilmic and pretentious.','27727845bf14df274bcdc4057f4d1b59',0,'','wScTCdR4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7813,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1123128360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','I did love it, and I\'ll try and give more insight to it later.','d5f265d6036b6fbf1685e1d5e17ad9b7',0,'','0R8q4exv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7814,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125780660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','Okay, here is finally my July viewing log. I hope August won`t take as long ;) \r\n\r\nPS: Im sorry about the numbers before each film, but I was too lazy to remove them. If it interests anybody, they refer to the number of films seen this year.\r\n\r\nJuly 2005\r\n\r\n217. (Jul 02) Tetsuo \"The Ironman\" (1988 / Japan / Shinya Tsukamoto) *** / ****\r\n218. (Jul 02) Ganga Bruta (1933 / Brazil / Humberto Mauro) ***1/2 / ****\r\n219. (Jul 03) Batman Begins (2005 / USA / CHristopher Nolan)\r\n220. (Jul 03) Sant Tukaram \"Saint Tukaram\" (1936 / India / Vishnupant Govind Damle, Sheikh Fattelal) ***1/4 / ****\r\n221. (Jul 04) Il ladro di bambini \"The stolen Children\" (1992 / Italy, France, Switzerland, Germany / Gianni Amelio) \r\n222. (Jul 06) vredens dag \"Day of Wrath\" (1943 / Denmark / Carl Theodor Dreyer) ***1/4 / ****\r\n223. (Jul 08) Bicycleran \"The Cyclist\" (1987 / Iran / Mohsen Makhmalbaf) *** / ****\r\n224. (Jul 08) Allein (2004 / Germany / Thomas Durchschlag) * / ****\r\n225. (Jul 09) Guimba, un tyrant une poque \"Guimba, the Tyrant (1995 / Mali, Burkina Faso, Germany / Cheick Oumar Sissoko) ** / ****\r\ns067. (Jul 09) An unseen Enemy (1912 / USA / David Wark Griffith) **1/4 / ****\r\ns068. (Jul 09) The mothering Heart (1913 / USA / David Wark Griffith) **1/2 / ****\r\n226. (Jul 09) Judgment at Nuremberg (1961 / USA / Stanley Kramer) ***1/2 / ****\r\n227. (Jul 10) Shunpu den \"Story of a prostitute\" (1965 / Japan / Seijun Suzuki) **3/4 / ****\r\n228. (Jul 11) Hadaka no shima \"The naked Island\" (1960 / Japan / Kaneto Shind) **3/4 / ****\r\n229. (Jul 12) Nanook of the North (1922 / USA, France / Robert J. Flaherty) *** / ****\r\n230. (Jul 12) Cra cuervos \"Raise Ravens\" (1976 / Spain / Carlos Saura) ***3/4 / ****\r\n231. (Jul 13) La nuit fantastique \"Fantastic Night\" (1942 / France / Marcel L\'Herbier) *** / ****\r\n232. (Jul 13) Viaggio in Italia \"Voyage to Italy\" (1953 / Italy, France / Roberto Rossellini) **1/4 / ****\r\n233. (Jul 14) L\'t meurtrier (1983 / France / Jean Becker) **1/4 / ****\r\n234. (Jul 14) Die Austernprinzessin \"The Oyster Princess\" (1919 / Germany / Ernst Lubitsch) **1/4 / ****\r\n235. (Jul 14) Ladri di biciclette \"Bicycle Thieves\" (1984 / Italy / Vittorio De Sica) *** / ****\r\n236. (Jul 14) Melinda and Melinda (2004 / USA / Woody Allen) ** / ****\r\n237. (Jul 15) The Iron Horse (1924 / USA / John Ford) **3/4 / ****\r\n238. (Jul 15) The House of Mirth (2000 / UK, France, Germany, USA / Terence Davies) **3/4 / ****\r\n239. (Jul 16) Crash (2004 / USA / Paul Haggis) **1/2 / ****\r\ns069. (Jul 16) Das Miverstndnis (1985 / Germany, Portugal / Carlo Rola) *1/2 / ****\r\n240. (Jul 16) \"Dumplings\" (2004 / Hong Kong / Fruit Chan) **1/4 / ****\r\n241. (Jul 17) Shan-chung ch\'uan-ch\'i \"Legend of the Mountain\" [edited version] (1979 / Hong Kong / King Hu) **1/4 / ****\r\n242. (Jul 17) Trys dienos \"Three Days\" (1991 / Soviet Union / Sharunas Bartas) ***1/2 / ****\r\n243. (Jul 17) Few of Us (1996 / Lithuania, Portugal, France, Germany / Sharunas Bartas) ***3/4 / ****\r\n244. (Jul 18) Gertrud (1964 / Denmark / Carl Theodor Dreyer) **1/2 / ****\r\n245. (Jul 19) Le temps du loup \"The Time of the Wolf (2003 / France, Austria, Germany / Michael Haneke) **1/2 / ****\r\n246. (Jul 20) \"Legend of Purple Hairpin\" (1977 / Hong Kong / Tie Li) **1/2 / ****\r\ns070. (Jul 20) La sortie des usines Lumire \"Leaving the Lumiere Factory\" (1895 / France / Louis Lumiere) **3/4 / ****\r\ns071. (Jul 20) La sortie des usines Lumire \"Leaving the Lumiere Factory\" (1895 / France / Louis Lumire) **3/4 / ****\r\ns072. (Jul 20) La sortie des usines Lumire \"Leaving the Lumire Factory\" (1895 / France / Louis Lumire) **3/4 / ****\r\ns073. (Jul 20) Repas de bb \"Baby\'s Meal\" (1895 / France / Louis Lumire) **1/2 / ****\r\ns074. (Jul 20) Dmolition d\'un mur \"Demolition of a Wall\" (1896 / France / Louis Lumire) **1/2 / ****\r\ns075. (Jul 20) L\'arroseur arros \"The Sprayer Sprayed\" (1895 / France / Louis Lumire) **1/4 / ****\r\ns076. (Jul 20) Neuville-sur-Sane: Debarquement du congrs de photographes Lyon \"The Photographical Congress Arrives in Lyon\" (1895 / France / Louis Lumire) ** / ****\r\ns077. (Jul 20) L\'arrive d\'un train la Ciotat \"Arrival of a Train at La Ciotat\" (1895 / France / Louis Lumire) ** / ****\r\n247. (Jul 20) Sous les toits de Paris \"Under the Roofs of Paris\" (1930 / France / Ren Clair) **3/4 / ****\r\ns078. (Jul 20) Paris qui dort [edited 35min. version / musical score by Jean Wiener] \"The Crazy Ray\" (1925 / France / Ren Clair) **1/2 / ****\r\n248. (Jul 21) Orphe \"Orpheus\" (1949 / France / Jean Cocteau) **1/2 / ****\r\n249. (Jul 21) Zerkalo \"The Mirror\" (1975 / Soviet Union / Andrei Tarkovski) **1/2 / ****\r\ns079. (Jul 22) Ftiche \"The Mascot\" (1934 / France / Wladyslaw Starewicz) **1/2 / ****\r\n250. (Jul 22) Vampyr (1932 / Germany, France / Carl Theodor Dreyer) **1/4 / ****\r\ns080. (Jul 22) Partie d\'carte \"Card Game\" (1895 / France / Louis Lumire) **1/4 / ****\r\ns081. (Jul 22) Barque sortant du port (1895 / France / Louis Lumire) **1/2 / ****\r\ns082. (Jul 22) Dpart de Jrusalem en chemin de fer \"Leaving Jerusalem by Railway\" (1895 / France / Louis Lumire) **1/2 / ****\r\ns083. (Jul 22) Bataille de boules de neige \"Snowball Fight\" (1896 / France / Louis Lumire) **1/2 / ****\r\ns084. (Jul 22) Sortie de la pompe (Lyon) (1895 / France / Louis Lumire) ** / ****\r\ns085. (Jul 22) Niagara, les chutes \"Niagara\" (1897 / France / Alexandre Promio) ** / ****\r\ns086. (Jul 22) Course de taureaux (1897? / France / Louis Lumire) **1/4 / ****\r\ns087. (Jul 22) Rough Sea at Dover (1895 / UK / Birt Acres, Robert W. Paul) ** / ****\r\ns088. (Jul 22) Come along do! [fragment] (1898 / UK / Robert W. Paul, James Williamson) *3/4 / ****\r\ns089. (Jul 22) The Derby (1895 / UK / Birt Acres) ** / ****\r\ns090. (Jul 22) The Countryman and the Cinematograph [fragment] (1901 / UK / Robert W. Paul) *3/4 / ****\r\ns091. (Jul 22) A chess dispute (1903 / UK / Robert W. Paul) **1/4 / ****\r\ns092. (Jul 22) An extraordinary cab accident (1903 / UK / Robert W. Paul) **1/4 / ****\r\ns093. (Jul 22) Buy your own Cherries (1904 / UK / Robert W. Paul) **1/4 / ****\r\ns094. (Jul 22) The \'?\' Motorist (1906 / UK / Walter R. Booth) **1/2 / ****\r\ns095. (Jul 22) The Miller and the Sweep (1898 / UK / George Albert Smith) ** / ****\r\ns096. (Jul 22) The Kiss in the Tunnel (1899 / UK / George Albert Smith) **1/4 / ****\r\ns097. (Jul 22) Let me dream again (1900 / UK / George Albert Smith) **1/4 / ****\r\ns098. (Jul 22) Grandma\'s Reading Glass (1900 / UK / George Albert Smith) **1/4 / ****\r\ns099. (Jul 22) As seen through a Telescope (1900 / UK / George Albert Smith) ** / ****\r\ns100. (Jul 22) Sick Kitten (1903 / UK / George Albert Smith) ** / ****\r\ns101. (Jul 22) Mary Jane\'s Mishap, or don\'t fool with the Paraffin (1903 / UK / George Albert Smith) **1/4 / ****\r\ns102. (Jul 22) Daring DaylightBurglary (1903 / UK / Frank S. Mottershaw) **1/2 / ****\r\ns103. (Jul 22) A Desperate Poaching Affray (1903 / UK / Walter Haggard) **1/2 / ****\r\ns104. (Jul 22) The Kiss in the Tunnel (1899 / UK / James Bamforth) **1/4 / ****\r\ns105. (Jul 22) Ladies\' Skirts Nailed to a Fence (1900 / UK / James Bamforth) ** / ****\r\ns106. (Jul 22) The Biter Bit (1897 / UK / James Bamforth) **1/4 / ****\r\ns107. (Jul 22) Rough Sea (1900 / UK / James Bamforth) ** / ****\r\ns108. (Jul 22) Attack on a China Mission (1900 / UK / James Williamson) **1/4 / ****\r\ns109. (Jul 22) The Big Swallow (1901 / UK / James Williamson) **1/4 / ****\r\ns110. (Jul 22) Stop Thief! (1901 / UK / James Williamson) ** / ****\r\ns111. (Jul 22) Fire! (1901 / UK / James Williamson) *3/4 / ****\r\ns112. (Jul 22) An Interesting Story (1904 / UK / James Williamson) ** / ****\r\n251. (Jul 22) la place du coeur \"Where the Heart Is\" (1998 / France / Robert Gudiguian)\r\n252. (Jul 22) Dare mo shiranai Nobody Knows (2004 / Japan / Hirokazu Koreeda) ***1/2 / ****\r\n253. (Jul 23) Yabu no naka no kuroneko \"Kuroneko\" / \"Black Cat from the Grave\" (1968 / Japan / Kaneto Shind) ***1/4 / ****\r\n254. (Jul 24) Stalker (1979 / Soviet Union / Andrei Tarkovsky) ***1/2 / ****\r\n255. (Jul 24) Tky nagaremono \"Tokyo Drifter\" (1966 / Japan / Seijun Suzuki) **1/2 / ****\r\n256. (Jul 25) Le sang d\'un pote \"The Blood of a Poet\" (1930 / France / Jean Cocteau) **1/4 / ****\r\n257. (Jul 25) Barocco (1976 / France / Andr Tchin) **3/4 / ****\r\n258. (Jul 25) Un condamn a mort s\'est chapp ou Le vent souffle ou il veut \"A Man escaped\" (1956 / France / Robert Bresson) *** / ****\r\n259. (Jul 25) La mala educacin (2004 / Spain / Pedro Almodvar) **1/2 / ****\r\n260. (Jul 26) El abrazo partido \"Lost Embrace\" (2004 / Argentina, France, Italy, Spain / Daniel Burman) *3/4 / ****\r\n261. (Jul 28) La maman et la putain The Mother and the Whore (1973 / France / Jean Eustache) ***3/4 / **** \r\n262. (Jul 30) 25th Hour (2002 / USA / Spike Lee) ***1/2 / ****\r\n263. (Jul 30) Dom za veanje (1988 / Yugoslavia, UK, Italy / Emir Kusturica) **3/4 / ****','67ad386c6bbe81239d351a210bf27b4d',0,'','Y3cxZU9T',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7815,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125869220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','For a second I thought you watched a ton of movies, then I saw that half of them were Lumiere movies. I still don\'t know the aversion to **** films, but well some critics are rough. I know someone who literally wouldn\'t give any film a perfect rating.','bd6a58c46de278b9e6a20757c9492399',0,'','Y8qndtwD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7816,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125903480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','I\'m quite surprised that you find the time -- every day -- to watch 3 to 4 films. Many are Lumiere, as wpqx mentioned, but most aren\'t. Good for you. \r\n\r\nI also like the Lithuanian giant Sharunas Bartas quite a bit from what I\'ve seen (the 2 films you mentioned plus a couple more). Would love to see more of his work.','03949c832e85f423be0b36132de7b540',0,'','NpdeRQS1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7817,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1126252260,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','I may seem a bit harsh with my ratings, but I personally think, that I may not be strict enough \r\nThere are some **** star films I`ve seen, but it doesn`t necessarily mean, that those are the best. \"The Mother and the whore\" (***3/4 / ****, the last time I saw it) for example would rank higher than some **** star films. The rating reflects my overall opinion of each single movie. So sometimes I can watch a great film with minor flaws, which is better than a perfect one \r\nThe Lumiere`s shorts were really astonishing, but I may have been a bit weary, when I afterwards watched some other shorts. Imo it doesn`t make a big difference if one watches five feature films in a row, or 5 short films. In both cases the concentration doesn`t suffice to watch them all properly, to the disadvantage of the films seen last. And it`s even more difficult, if the films resemble each other. \r\nAfter reading some good reviews on the shorts by Robert W. Paul, James Bamforth, James Williamson, and George Albert Smith, I must see them again. But I think the \"camerawork\" is best in the Lumiere shorts.\r\nAs for Bartas, those were my first two films by him, which i saw in a row, and i would love to see more. It was a great movie-going experience, and I didn`t really understand the problems with his films. They seemed very simple to me, the narrative was clear, and the symbolism wasn`t obscure. \r\nI`d like to know, where you saw some of his other films, and if they`re available anywhere (with subs?).','1bbe5e3f0ce10fa7cefafb7abb3f551c',0,'','1gHZt6rq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7818,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1126252500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','And here comes August 2005. :D \r\n\r\n264. (Aug 01) The Station Agent (2003 / USA / Thomas McCarthy) ***1/2 / **** \r\n265. (Aug 03) Jesus` Son (1999 / Canada, USA / Alison Macean) ***3/4 / **** \r\n266. (Aug 03) Shiqi sui de dan che \"Beijing Bicycle\" (2000 / China, Taiwan / Xiaoshuai Wang) ***1/2 / **** \r\n267. (Aug 04) Birth (2004 / USA / Jonathan Glazer) ***1/2 / **** \r\n268. (Aug 04) Atomik Circus - Le retour de James Bataille \"Atomik Circus\" (2004 / France, Germany, UK / Didier Poiraud, Thierry Poiraud) *1/2 / **** \r\n269. (Aug 05) bout de souffle \"Breathless\" (1959 / France / Jean-Luc Godard) **3/4 / **** \r\n270. (Aug 05) The Dreamers (2003 / Italy, France, UK / Bernardo Bertolucci) **3/4 / **** \r\n271. (Aug 05) The Night of the Hunter (1955 / USA / Charles Laughton) ***1/2 / **** \r\n272. (Aug 06) Chi to hone \"Blood and Bones\" (2004 / Japan / Yoichi Sai) **1/2 / **** \r\n273. (Aug 06) Izo (2004 / Japan / Takashi Miike) **1/2 / **** \r\n274. (Aug 07) Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004 / USA / Michel Gondry) ***** / **** \r\n275. (Aug 08) The Aviator (2004 / USA, Japan, Germany / Martin Scorsese) ***1/2 / **** \r\n276. (Aug 08) Hair High (2004 / USA / Bill Plympton) **1/2 / **** \r\n277. (Aug 08) Maboroshi no hikari \"Maborosi\" (1995 / Japan / Hirokazu Koreeda) **1/2 / **** \r\n278. (Aug 09) Paths of Glory (1957 / USA / Stanley Kubrick) ***3/4 / **** \r\n279. (Aug 10) Inosensu: Kkaku kidtai \"Innocence\" (2004 / Japan / Mamoru Oshii) **1/4 / **** \r\n280. (Aug 11) Limelight (1952 / USA / Charles Chaplin) ***1/2 / **** \r\n281. (Aug 16) Vivre sa vie: Film en douze tableaux \"My Life to Live\" (1962 / France / Jean-Luc Godard) *** / **** \r\n282. (Aug 17) Speedway (1968 / USA / Norman Taurog) **1/2 / **** \r\n283. (Aug 18) Catlow (1971 / USA / Sam Wanamaker) *3/4 / **** \r\n284. (Aug 18) The Terrorist (1999 / India / Santosh Sivan) **1/2 / **** \r\n285. (Aug 19) Suzy (1936 / USA / George Fitzmaurice) *** / **** \r\n286. (Aug 19) I shot Jesse James (1949 / USA / Samuel Fuller) **1/2 / **** \r\n287. (Aug 20) Lavirint \"Labyrinth\" (2002 / Federal Republic of Yugoslavia / Miroslav Leki?) *1/2 / **** \r\n288. (Aug 20) L`ennui (1998 / France, Portugal / Cdric Kahn) ***1/2 / **** \r\n289. (Aug 20) Rear Window (1954 / USA / Alfred Hitchcock) *** / **** \r\n290. (Aug 21) Vampyros lesbos \"Lesbian Vampires\" (1971 / West Germany, Spain / Jesus Franco) 3/4* / **** \r\n291. (Aug 21) Rde?i Boogie ali Kaj ti je deklica? (1982 / Yugoslavia / Karpo A?imovi? Godina) **3/4 / **** \r\n292. (Aug 23) Fah talai jone \"Tears of the Black Tiger\" (2000 / Thailand / Wisit Sasanatieng) *** / **** \r\n293. (Aug 24) Dirty Harry (1971 / USA / Don Siegel) *** / **** \r\n294. (Aug 24) Respiro \"Respiro: Grazia\'s Island\" (2002 / Italy, France / Emanuele Crialese) *** / **** \r\n295. (Aug 25) Umetni raj \"Artificial Paradise\" (1990 / Yugoslavia / Karpo A?imovi? Godina) *1/2 / **** \r\n296. (Aug 25) Zatichi \"Zatoichi\" (2003 / Japan / Takeshi Kitano) **1/4 / **** \r\n297. (Aug 26) Smultronstllet \"Wild Strawberries\" (1957 / Sweden / Ingmar Bergman) **1/4 / **** \r\n298. (Aug 28) Bu san \"Good Bye, Dragon Inn\" (2003 / Taiwan / Ming-liang Tsai) ***1/2 / **** \r\n299. (Aug 31) Ples v deju \"Dancing in the Rain\" (1961 / Yugoslavia / Botjan Hladnik) ***1/4 / **** \r\n300. (Aug 31) loge de l\'amour \"In Praise of Love\" (2001 / France, Switzerland / Jean-Luc Godard) **3/4 / ****','149f105a0ccb0270872c16eb71810d2b',0,'','Knu3Q5CV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7819,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1128786600,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','Fine month with few films but some nice revisits.\r\n\r\n# 301. (Sep 01) Siu lam juk kau \"Shaolin Soccer\" [102min. version] (2001 / Hong Kong, China / Stephen Chow) **3/4 / ****\r\n# 302. (Sep 01) Dolina Miru \"Seargent Jim\" (1955 / Yugoslavia / France tiglic) ***1/4 / ****\r\n# 303. (Sep 01) Ana y los Lobos \"Ana and the Wolves\" (1972 / Spain / Carlos Saura) ***1/4 / ****\r\n# 304. (Sep 02) After Hours (1985 / USA / Martin Scorsese) *** / ****\r\n# 305. (Sep 02) Elvira Madigan (1967 / Sweden / Bo Widerberg) **1/2 / ****\r\n# 306. (Sep 04) L`albero degli zoccoli \"The Tree of Wooden Clogs\" (1978 / Italy, France / Ermanno Olmi) **1/2 / ****\r\n# 307. (Sep 22) Danny the Dog (2005 / UK, France, USA / Louis Leterrier) **1/4 / ****\r\n# 308. (Sep 25) Per un pugno di dollari \"For a Fistful of Dollars\" [english-dubbed version] (1964 / Italy, West Germany, Spain / Sergio Leone) **1/2 / ****\r\n# 309. (Sep 26) Bad ma ra khahad bord \"The Wind will carry us\" (1999 / Iran, France / Abbas Kiarostami) ***1/2 / ****\r\n# 310. (Sep 26) They Drive by Night (1940 / USA / Raoul Walsh) *** / ****\r\n# 311. (Sep 27) Sisters (1973 / USA / Brian De Palma) ** / ****\r\n# 312. (Sep 27) Blue Velvet (1986 / USA / David Lynch) ***1/2 / ****\r\n# 313. (Sep 27) Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo \"The Good, The Bad and The Ugly\" [extended english-language version] (1966 / Italy, Spain / Sergio Leone) ***1/2 / ****\r\n# 314. (Sep 28) Hana-bi \"Fireworks\" (1997 / Japan / Takeshi Kitano) ***1/2 / ****\r\n# 315. * see July 20th\r\n# 316. (Sep 30) Vendredi Soir \"Friday Night\" (2002 / France / Claire Denis) ***1/2 / ****','43c384641ca313fbdaab6d93bb080fb9',0,'','4LYZvtfN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7820,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1132026420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','317. (Oct 08) Back to the Future (1985 / USA / Robert Zemeckis) ***1/2 / **** \r\n318. (Oct 09) The Thin Red Line (1998 / USA, Canada / Terrence Malick) **** / **** \r\n319. (Oct 10) Moe no suzaku \"Suzaku\" (1996 / Japan / Naomi Kawase) ***3/4 / **** \r\n320. (Oct 10) L`accompagnatrice \"The Accompanist\" (1992 / France / Claude Miller) **1/2 / **** \r\n321. (Oct 11) Alice et Martin \"Alice and Martin\" (1998 / France, Spain / Andre Techine) **1/4 / **** \r\n322. (Oct 11) The Mark of Zorro (1920 / USA / Fred Niblo) **1/2 / **** \r\ns113. (Oct 11) Henker Tom (1966 / West Germany / Klaus Lemke) **1/2 / **** \r\ns114. (Oct 11) Kleine Front (1965 / West Germany / Klaus Lemke) **1/2 / **** \r\ns115. (Oct 11) Strategen / Flipper (1966 / West Germany / Klaus Lemke) **1/4 / **** \r\ns116. (Oct 11) Frhstck in Rom (1965 / West Germany / Max Ziehlmann) **1/4 / **** \r\ns117. (Oct 11) Jane erschiet John, weil er sie mit Ann betrgt (1968 / West Germany / Rudolf Thome) **1/4 / **** \r\ns118. (Oct 12) Khaneh siah ast \"The House is Black\" (1962 / Iran / Forugh Farrokhzad) - no rating - \r\n323. (Oct 12) Yek Etefagh sadeh \"A simple event\" (1973 / Iran / Sohrab Shahid Saless) ***1/4 / **** \r\ns119. (Oct 13) Grovater, wo komm ich her, wo geh ich hin? (1994 / Germany / Katja Baumgarten) **1/2 / **** \r\ns120. (Oct 13) Window Water Baby Moving (1958 / USA / Stan Brakhage) **3/4 / **** \r\ns121. (Oct 13) A Happy Mother\'s Day (1963 / USA / Richard Leacock, Joyce Chopra) **3/4 / **** \r\n324. (Oct 13) 48 Stunden bis Acapulco \"48 hours to Acapulco\" (1967 / West Germany / Klaus Lemke) **3/4 / **** \r\n325. (Oct 14) Il vento, di sera \"The Wind in the Evening\" (2004 / Italy / Andrea Adriatico) **1/4 / **** \r\n326. (Oct 15) Vacas \"Cows\" (1992 / Spain / Julio Medem) **3/4 / **** \r\n327. (Oct 15) Lanse da men \"Blue Gate Crossing\" (2002 / Taiwan, France / Chin-yen Yee) ***1/2 / **** \r\n328. (Oct 15) Macumba (1981 / West Germany / Elfi Mikesch) *1/2 / **** \r\n329. (Oct 16) The Matrix (1999 / USA / Andy Wachowski, Larry Wachowski) ***1/4 / **** \r\n330. (Oct 17) Insomnia (1997 / Norway / Erik Skjoldbjaerg) ***1/2 / **** \r\n331. (Oct 17) La vie revee des anges \"The Dream Life of Angels\" (1998 / France / Erick Zonca) **3/4 / **** \r\n332. (Oct 18) Sally of the Sawdust (1925 / USA / David Wark Griffith) *1/2 / **** \r\n333. (Oct 18) SubUrbia [full-screen version] (1996 / USA / Richard Linklater) ***1/4 / **** \r\n334. (Oct 20) Ketu qiuhen \"Song of the Exile\" [full-screen version] (1990 / Hong Kong, Taiwan / Ann Hui) ***1/4 / **** \r\n335. (Oct 20) La souriante Madame Beudet \"The Smiling Madame Beudet\" (1922 / France / Germaine Dulac) **1/2 / **** \r\n336. (Oct 20) Demanty noci \"Diamonds of the Night\" (1964 / Czechoslovakia / Jan Nemec) ***1/2 / **** \r\n337. (Oct 21) Yaju no seishun \"Youth of the Beast\" (1963 / Japan / Seijun Suzuki) ** / **** \r\n338. (Oct 21) The Whispering Chorus (1918 / USA / Cecil B. DeMille) * / **** \r\n339. (Oct 21) Deutschland im Herbst \"Germany in Autumn\" (1978 / West Germany / Alf Brustellin, Hans Peter Cloos, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, Alexander Kluge, Maximiliane Mainka, Beate Mainka-Jellinghaus, Edgar Reitz, Katja Rupe, Volker Schlndorff, Peter Schubert, Bernhard Sinkel) ** / **** \r\n340. (Oct 22) Radio Days (1987 / USA / Woody Allen) *** / **** \r\n341. (Oct 22) L\'atalante (1934 / France / Jean Vigo) **1/2 / **** \r\n342. (Oct 23) Die Legende von Paul und Paula \"The Legend of Paul and Paula\" (1973 / East Germany / Heiner Carow) **3/4 / **** \r\n343. (Oct 23) Our Hospitality (1923 / USA / Buster Keaton, John G. Blystone) ***1/2 / **** \r\n344. (Oct 23) The Tune (1992 / USA / Bill Plympton) **1/4 / **** \r\n345. (Oct 23) Eltavozott nap \"The Girl\" (1968 / Hungary / Marta Meszaros) *** / **** \r\n346. (Oct 24) Regeneration (1915 / USA / Raoul Walsh) **1/4 / **** \r\n347. (Oct 24) Saboteur (1942 / USA / Alfred Hitchcock) *** / **** \r\n348. (Oct 25) Black Narcissus (1947 / UK / Michael Powell, Emeric Pressburger) **1/4 / **** \r\n349. (Oct 25) Young Romance (1915 / USA / George Melford) **1/2 / **** \r\n350. (Oct 25) Cop Land [full-screen version; 104 min] (1997 / USA / James Mangold) **3/4 / **** \r\n351. (Oct 26) Yume \"Dreams\" (1990 / Japan, USA / Akira Kurosawa, Ishiro Honda) ***1/4 / **** \r\n352. (Oct 26) Pastorali \"Pastorale\" [extremely bad subtitling] (1975 / Soviet Union / Otar Iosseliani) **1/2 / **** \r\n353. (Oct 27) La vie de chateau \"A Matter of Resistance\" / \"Gracious Living\" (1966 / France / Jean-Paul Rappeneau) ** / **** \r\n354. (Oct 27) Mahanagar \"The Big City\" (1963 / India / Satyajit Ray) *** / **** \r\n355. (Oct 29) Ostre sledovane vlaky \"Closely Observed Trains\" (1966 / Czechoslovakia / Jiri Menzel) **3/4 / **** \r\n356. (Oct 29) Ebolusyon ng isang pamilyang pilipino \"Evolution of a Filipino Family\" (2004 / Philippines / Lav Diaz) **1/2 / **** \r\n357. (Oct 30) Thieves\' Highway (1949 / USA / Jules Dassin) ***1/4 / **** \r\n358. (Oct 30) Xiao cheng zhi chun \"Spring in a small Town\" (1948 / China / Mu Fei) ***1/2 / **** \r\n359. (Oct 31) Mouchette (1967 / France / Robert Bresson) **1/2 / **** \r\n360. (Oct 31) Uttara \"The Wrestlers\" (2000 / India / Buddhadev Dasgupta) ***1/2 / **** \r\n361. (Oct ??) Maverick (1994 / USA / Richard Donner) ***1/2 / ****','df2d75f2f13294f791983957a111ba7d',0,'','JpsVQR30',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7821,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1134369480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','362. (Nov 01) Dezertir \"Deserter\" (1933 / Soviet Union / Vsevolod Pudovkin) ***1/4 / ****\r\ns122. (Nov 01) Sousto \"A Bite to Eat\" / \"The Loaf of Bread\" (1960 / Czechoslovakia / Jan Nemec) **3/4 / ****\r\n363. (Nov 01) Salesman (1968 / USA / David Maysles, Albert Maysles, Charlotte Zwerin) ***1/2 / ****\r\n364. (Nov 02) Cremaster 3 (2002 / USA / Matthew Barney) *** / ****\r\ns123. (Nov 02) Cremaster 4 (1994 / UK, France, USA / Matthew Barney) **1/4 / ****\r\n365. (Nov 02) Cremaster 5 (1997 / USA / Matthew Barney) **1/2 / ****\r\ns124. (Nov 02) Cremaster 1 (1995 / USA / Matthew Barney) **1/2 / ****\r\n366. (Nov 02) Cremaster 2 (1999 / USA / Matthew Barney) **3/4 / ****\r\n367. (Nov 03) Elephant (2003 / USA / Gus Van Sant) **** / ****\r\n368. (Nov 04) Ikimono no kiroku \"I live in Fear\" (1955 / Japan / Akira Kurosawa) **1/2 / ****\r\n369. (Nov 05) City of Angels (1998 / USA, Germany / Brad Silberling) **** / ****\r\n370. (Nov 05) Felicia\'s Journey (1999 / Canada, UK / Atom Egoyan) **3/4 / **** \r\n371. (Nov 07) Jukti, Takko Aar Gappo \"Reason, Debate and a Story\" (1974 / India / Ritwik Ghatak) **3/4 / ****\r\n372. (Nov 07) Sud Pralad \"Tropical Malady\" (2004 / Thailand, France, Germany, Italy / Apichatpong Weerasethakul) **3/4 / ****\r\n373. (Nov 07) Broken Flowers (2005 / USA, France / Jim Jarmusch) ***1/2 / ****\r\n374. (Nov 08) Trilogia I: To Livadi pou dakryzei \"Trilogy: The Weeping Meadow\" (2004 / Greece, Germany, France, Italy / Theo Angelopoulos) ***1/2 / ****\r\n375. (Nov 11) Les amants criminels \"Criminal Lovers\" (1999 / France / Francois Ozon) - no rating -\r\n376. (Nov 11) Sin City [german-dubbed version] (2005 / USA / Robert Rodriguez, Frank Miller, Quentin Tarantino) * / ****\r\n377. (Nov 15) Chong qing sen lin \"Chungking Express\" (1994 / Hong Kong / Kar Wai Wong) ***1/4 / ****\r\n378. (Nov 16) Saw II (2005 / USA / Darren Lynn Bousman) ** / ****\r\n379. (Nov 16) Saw [german-dubbed version] (2004 / USA / James Wan) **1/4 / ****\r\n380. (Nov 16) Sjecas li se, Dolly Bell \"Do You Remember Dolly Bell?\" [without subtitles] (1981 / Yugoslavia / Emir Kusturica) *** / ****\r\n381. (Nov 18) American Beauty (1999 / USA / Sam Mendes) *** / ****\r\n382. (Nov 20) Mauvais sang \"The Night is young\" (1986 / France / Leos Carax) *** / ****\r\n383. (Nov 20) Kontakt (2005 / Republic of Macedonia, Germany / Sergej Stanojkovski) *3/4 / ****\r\n384. (Nov 21) Battling Butler (1926 / USA / Buster Keaton) **1/2 / ****\r\n385. (Nov 21) Donnie Brasco (1997 / USA / Mike Newell) *** / ****\r\n386. (Nov 22) Rane \"The Wounds\" (1998 / Federal Republic of Yugoslavia / Srdjan Dragojevic) **3/4 / ****\r\n387. (Nov 23) Proof of Life (2000 / USA / Taylor Hackford) ***1/2 / ****\r\n388. (Nov 30) Forrest Gump (1994 / USA / Robert Zemeckis) **** / ****','bd1c60cee3ba81406ad83ac8ddceee7d',0,'','MHC5dpF9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7822,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1134379500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','Quite impressive, A. Little surprised by your high rating of City of Angels and Forest Gump','37ed30e5641f91cf19c5377a619efea0',0,'','HN8v6LmM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7823,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1134450780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','Just out of curiosity why not bold Elephant, you gave it 4?\r\n\r\nBy the way I\'m not sure if these are just your super favorite films, but you seem to be getting slightly easier in your ratings. I admit to my own \"Ebert-izing\" in my rating system, but hey a great film\'s a great film, I don\'t need to sit there deducting quarter stars because the music in one scene didn\'t match the action. I\'m in the process of cataloguing all my films by year as well as alphabetically, so pardon any prolongued absence. My goal is to be able to come up with at least a top 10 ranking for every year since 1927.','f32b00a76826af15c3366d78f320e559',0,'','HWikUTcb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7824,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1134506220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','@arsaib4\r\nCity of Angels was one of my favorite Films, when i was younger. Saw it four times in the cinema in 1997 \r\nI hadn\'t seen it in a long time since, and thought it might have \"aged\" ungracefully. Quite the opposite was the case. Though I don\'t love it as muh as i did, I couldn\'t find anything wrong with it. It seemed perfect on its own, that\'s why the **** star rating.\r\nSame goes for Forrest Gump, whih I saw for the umpteenth time. Zemekis just has a golden touch sometimes. I thought it was a totally honest film. What I notied though, was that it would have been even better to end the film with Tom Hanks looking in the distance and a fade out. The feather again after it was a bit too much in-the-face symbolism cause we had already seen it at the beginning\r\n\r\n@wpqx\r\nElephant was perfet in what it did, that\'s why I gave it a four star rating. But it isn\'t a personal favorite. Strange, as this hasn\'t happened yet with any four-star-film...\r\nWhat do you mean with easier in my ratings? Just curious.\r\nThe cataloguing is something I\'m also doing for years now, But due to my new rating system, I\'ve started new ones from November 2004 onwards. The cataloguing is by diretor, cinematographer, year (in order of preferene), ountry and alphabetical. Lots of stupitd task work, and due to my laziness I have to catch up with quite a number of films. \r\nI\'d also like to ome up with Top Tens from 1895 onwards, but haven\'t seen enough great films in one year so this list will have to wait a few years.\r\n\r\nOh, and what I\'ve already said above, a film with a ***1/2 star rating an be far superior to a **** star film. It\'s just that it isn\'t a \"perfect\" film overall. But its qualities exceed the perfet one\'s.\r\nFor example my initial ***1/2 star rating of The Mother and The Whore. The Film is in my Top Ten, while Forrest Gump, and City Of Angels are only in my Top 200.','6aea08a94dd0eabaab3da00708dc2bd8',0,'','0gYAjmbS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7825,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1134551640,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','Thanks, A. Keep it up!','bd45db641238de211b2535131acf43a8',0,'','yu4A1KbG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7826,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1134552120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','I got ya. 1895 onwards is a little extreme. I\'m bad with 1926 hence the reason I was gonna stick with 1927 onwards. Agreed with the silly cataloguing, I do it, and you seem to have the same problem. I do see what you mean with 3 1/2 star films. There are some movies that may not be perfect but I enjoy more than perfectly rated films.','4bfc4c84c14b843cfc23e6d833c10dfe',0,'','sqoZ47kW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7827,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1134591300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','Yes, I would even go so far as call some movies I gave a lower rating better than the ones with a perfect rating. Mostly bocause the themes they are concerned with are more complex and more important. \r\nFor example the last time I saw \"Mad Dog and Glory\" (1993) I gave it a four star rating. \"Good Men, Good Women\" only got 3and1/2. Nevertheless, I prefer Hou hsia-hsiens film in all aspects, also thinking it\'s a better film. It isn\'t perfect in what it does, but what it does is so much better than McNaughtons effort, that it doesn\'t hurt the film in comparison.\r\nHope I could clarify a bit','7b01ba48bb56d5550447fc477d581dbe',0,'','yjGhw54L',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7828,1560,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1136265900,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: viewing log(s) 2005','389. (Dec 01) Manderlay (2005 / Denmark, Germany, USA, France, Netherlands, Sweden, Lars von Trier) ** / **** \r\n390. (Dec 02) Dumbo (1941 / USA / Ben Sharpsteen) **1/4 / **** \r\n391. (Dec 03) The Black Pirate [original score, conducted by Robert Israel] (1926 / USA / Albert Parker) ** / **** \r\n392. (Dec 04) Csillagosok, katonak \"The Red and The White\" (1967 / Hungary, Soviet Union / Miklos Jancso) ***1/4 / **** \r\n393. (Dec 05) Dora-heita \"Alley Cat\" (2000 / Japan / Kon Ichikawa) ** / **** \r\n394. (Dec 06) Le roman de Renard \"The Tale of the Fox\" (1930 / France / Wladyslaw Starewicz, Irene Starewicz) **3/4 / **** \r\ns125. (Dec 06) Fetiche en voyage de noces (1936 / France / Wladyslaw Starewicz, Irene Starewicz) **1/2 / **** \r\n395. (Dec 06) Bakush \"Early Summer\" (1951 / Japan / Yasujiro Ozu) ***1/4 / **** \r\ns126. (Dec 07) The Animator of Prague (1990 / UK / James Marsh) **3/4 / **** \r\ns127. (Dec 07) The Death of Stalinism in Bohemia (1990 / UK / Jan Svankmajer) ***1/2 / **** \r\ns128. (Dec 07) Une robe d\'t \"A Summer Dress\" (1996 / France / Franois Ozon) ***1/2 / **** \r\n396. (Dec 08) Civilization (1916 / USA / Reginald Barker, Thomas H. Ince, Raymond B. West, Walter Edwards (uncredited), David Hartford (uncredited), Jay Hunt (uncredited), J. Parker Read Jr. (uncredited)) **1/2 / **** \r\ns129. (Dec 08) Feet of Song (1988 / UK / Erica Russell) ***1/4 / **** \r\n397. (Dec 08) Wandfuru raifu \"After Life\" (1998 / Japan / Hirokazu Koreeda) ***1/2 / **** \r\n398. (Dec 08) The Great K & A Train Robbery [original score by William Perry] (1926 / USA / Lewis Seiler) **1/2 / **** \r\n399. (Dec 09) Basic Instinct (1992 / USA, France / Paul Verhoeven) ***1/4 / **** \r\n400. (Dec 10) L\'argent \"Money\" (1983 / France, Switzerland / Robert Bresson) **1/2 / **** \r\ns130. (Dec 10) Mest kinematograficheskogo operatora \"The Cameraman\'s Revenge\" [english intertitles] (1911 / Russia / Wladyslaw Starewicz) **1/4 / **** \r\ns131. (Dec 10) La petite mort (1995 / France / Franois Ozon) **3/4 / **** \r\ns132. (Dec 11) Two Sisters (1990 / Canada / Caroline Leaf) **1/2 / **** \r\ns133. (Dec 11) Le rat de ville et le rat des champs \"The Town Rat and the Country Rat\" (1926 / France / Wladyslaw Starewicz) **3/4 / **** \r\n401. (Dec 13) Trois couleurs: Bleu \"Three Clours: Blue\" (1993 / France, Poland, Switzerland, UK / Krzysztof Kieslowski) **3/4 / **** \r\ns134. (Dec 14) Amour noir et amour blanc \"Love in Black and White\" (1927 / France / Wladyslaw Starewicz) **3/4 / **** \r\n402. (Dec 14) Dai-bosatsu toge \"The Sword of Doom\" (1965 / Japan / Kihachi Okamoto) ***3/4 / **** \r\n403. (Dec 15) Arsenal (1928 / Soviet Union, Ukraine / Alexandr Dovzhenko) **3/4 / **** \r\nS135. (Dec 15) Tichy tyden v dome \"A quiet week in the house\" (1969 / Czechoslovakia / Jan Svankmajer) *** / **** \r\n404. (Dec 15) Nevinost bez zastite \"Innocence Unprotected\" (1968 / Yugoslavia / Dusan Makavejev) *** / **** \r\ns136. (Dec 15) Springfield (1986 / UK / Emma Calder) ** / **** \r\n405. (Dec 15) Sans toit ni loi \"Vagabond\" (1985 / France, UK / Agnes Varda) ***1/2 / **** \r\ns137. (Dec 15) The Emergence of Eunice (1980 / USA / Emily Hubley) *** / **** \r\n406. (Dec 16) Subarnarekha (1962 / India / Ritwik Ghatak) ***1/4 / **** \r\n407. (Dec 16) Othon (1969 / West Germany, Italy / Jean-Marie Straub, Daniele Huillet) ***1/4 / **** \r\n408. (Dec 16) Antigone des Sophokles nach der Hlderlinschen bertragung fr die Bhne bearbeitet von Brecht 1948 (Suhrkamp Verlag) \"Antigone\" (1991 / Germany, France / Jean-Marie Straub, Daniele Huillet) ** / **** \r\n409. (Dec 17) Trzy kolory: Bialy \"Three Colours: White\" (1993 / France, Poland, Switzerland, UK / Krzysztof Kieslowski) **3/4 / **** \r\n410. (Dec 17) El Naser Salah el Dine \"Saladin\" (1963 / Egypt / Youssef Chahine) ***1/4 / **** \r\n411. (Dec 20) Under the Skin (1997 / UK / Carine Adler) **1/2 / **** \r\n412. (Dec 25) Batoru rowaiaru \"Battle Royale\" [director`s cut] (2000 / Japan / Kinji Fukasaku) ***1/2 / **** \r\n413. (Dec 31) Broken Flowers (2005 / USA, France / Jim Jarmusch) ***1/2 / ****','e6ac2ab0649828ad9522079317c75647',0,'','Jkhn69PZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7829,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140978420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','The world cinema canon','I know we\'ve already got loads of films catalogued with reviews , but i\'ve simply tried to give an extensive (rather than exclusive) list of films from a range of countries, which may interest cinephiles as most essential for viewing- to occupy a whole lifetime! I originally did 500 but it overflowed. Any further suggestions welcome.\r\n\r\nAbraham Valley (Oliveira) \r\nAccatone (Pasolini)\r\nAn Actor\'s Revenge (Ichikawa) \r\nActress (Kwan) \r\nAdoption (Meszaros)\r\nThe Adventures of Prince Achmed (Reiniger) \r\nAfter Life (Kore-eda) \r\nL\'Age d\'Or (Bunuel) \r\nAguirre Wrath of God (Herzog) \r\nAi no Corrida (Oshima) \r\nAjantrik (Ghatak) \r\nAkira (Otomo)\r\nAlexander Nevsky (Eisenstein) \r\nAlice (Svankmajer) \r\nAlice in the Cities (Wenders) \r\nAll about Lily Chou Chou (Iwai) \r\nAll about my Mother (Almodovar) \r\nAll Night Long (Akerman)\r\nAlphaville (Godard)\r\nAlsino and the Condor (Littin)\r\nLes Amants du Pont Neuf (Carax)\r\nAmarcord (Fellini) \r\nAmelie (Jeunet) \r\nThe American Friend (Wenders) \r\nAmor de Perdicao (Oliveira)\r\nAmores Perros (Inarritu) \r\nL\'Amour Fou (Rivette)\r\nAna and the Wolves (Saura)\r\nA Nos Amours (Pialat) \r\nA Nous la Liberte (Clair) \r\nAnd Life Goes On (Kiarostami) \r\nAndrei Rublev (Tarkovsky)\r\nAngel\'s Egg (Oshii)\r\nAngi Vera (Gabor) \r\nAniki Bobo (Oliveira) \r\nAnne and Muriel (Truffaut)\r\nAnother Way (Makk)\r\nAntonia\'s Line (Gorris)\r\nAntonio das Mortes (Rocha)\r\nL\'Appartement (Mimouni) \r\nThe Apple (S.Makhmalbaf)\r\nA Propos de Nice (Vigo)\r\nApu trilogy (Ray) \r\nAre you Nervous? (De Leon) \r\nL\'Argent (Bresson)\r\nL\'Argent (L\'Herbier) \r\nAriel (Kaurismaki)\r\nArmy in the Shadows (Melville) \r\nArsenal (Dovzhenko) \r\nThe Ascent (Shepitko) \r\nAshes and Diamonds (Wajda) \r\nAshes of Time (Wong) \r\nAshik Kerib (Paradjanov)\r\nAsthenic Syndrome (Muratova)\r\nL\'Atalante (Vigo) \r\nAt the Height of Summer (Tran Anh-Hung) \r\nThe Attached Balloon (Zheliazkova) \r\nAudition (Miike) \r\nAu Hasard Balthazar (Bresson) \r\nAu Revoir les Enfants (Malle) \r\nAn Autumn Afternoon (Ozu) \r\nL\'Avventura (Antonioni) \r\nAwara (Kapoor) \r\nAy! Carmela (Saura)\r\n\r\nBab el Shams (Nasrallah)\r\nBabette\'s Feast (Axel) \r\nBaiju Bawra (Bhatt)\r\nThe Baker\'s Wife (Pagnol)\r\nLe Bal (Scola)\r\nBalkanski Spijun (Kovacevic, Nicolic)\r\nBallad of a Soldier (Chukhrai) \r\nThe Ballad of Narayama (Imamura) \r\nThe Ball at the House of Anjo (Yoshimura)\r\nBande a Part (Godard)\r\nThe Bandit (Turgul) \r\nBarbarian Invasions (Arcand) \r\nBarren Lives (Dos Santos) \r\nBashu the little Stranger (Beiza\'i) \r\nThe Battle of Algiers (Pontecorvo) \r\nThe Battle of Chile (Guzman) \r\nBattle Royale (Fukasaku) \r\nBattleship Potemkin (Eisenstein) \r\nThe Beat that my Heart Skipped (Audiard) \r\nBeau Travail (Denis) \r\nBefore the Revolution (Bertolucci)\r\nThe Beginning (Panfilov)\r\nBeginning and End (Ripstein)\r\nBeijing Bicycle (Wang)\r\nBelle de Jour (Bunuel) \r\nLa Belle et la Bete (Cocteau) \r\nLa Belle Noiseuse (Rivette) \r\nBerlin Alexanderplatz (Fassbinder) \r\nBerlin Symphony of a Great City (Ruttmann)\r\nLa Bete Humaine (Renoir) \r\nA Better Tomorrow (Woo) \r\nBetty Blue (Beineix)\r\nBhuvan Shome (Sen)\r\nBicycle Thieves (De Sica)\r\nThe Big Blue (Besson) \r\nBig Deal on Madonna Street (Monicelli)\r\nThe Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant (Fassbinder)\r\nBlackboards (Samira Makhmalbaf) \r\nBlack Girl (Sembene)\r\nBlack God White Devil (Rocha) \r\nBlack Orpheus (Camus)\r\nBlack Rain (Imamura) \r\nBlack Sunday (Bava) \r\nBlanche (Borowczyk)\r\nA Blonde in Love (Forman)\r\nBlood of the Beasts (Franju)\r\nBlood of the Condor (Sanjines)\r\nThe Blue Angel (Von Sternberg)\r\nThe Blue Kite (Tian Zhuangzhuang)\r\nBoat People (Ann Hui) \r\nBob le Flambeur (Melville)\r\nLes Bonnes Femmes (Chabrol) \r\nDas Boot (Petersen) \r\nBoot Polish (Kapoor)\r\nLe Bossu (De Broca)\r\nLe Boucher (Chabrol) \r\nBoudu Saved from Drowning (Renoir) \r\nBranded to Kill (Suzuki) \r\nBreathless (Godard) \r\nThe Bride with White Hair (Yu)\r\nBrief Encounters (Muratova)\r\nA Brighter Summer Day (Yang) \r\nBroken Wings (N.Bergman) \r\nThe Burmese Harp (Ichikawa) \r\nBurnt by the Sun (Mikhalkov) \r\nButterfly\'s Tongue (Cuerda)\r\n\r\nCabeca de Vaca (Echavarria)\r\nThe Cabinet of Dr Caligari (Wiene)\r\nCabiria (Pastrone) \r\nCabiria Nights (Fellini) \r\nCafe Lumiere (Hou)\r\nCairo Station (Chahine)\r\nCarmen (Saura)\r\nUn Carnet de Bal (Duvivier)\r\nCarnival in Flanders (Feyder) \r\nCasque d\'Or (Becker) \r\nCeddo (Sembene) \r\nCeline and Julie go Boating (Rivette) \r\nCentral Station (Salles) \r\nThe Ceremony (Oshima)\r\nChacun Cherche son Chat (Klapisch) \r\nChandralekha (Vasan) \r\nCharulata (Ray)\r\nThe Chess Player (Bernard)\r\nUn Chien Andalou (Bunuel)\r\nLa Chienne (Renoir) \r\nChikamatsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi)\r\nThe Childhood of Maxim Gorki (Donskoi)\r\nChild of the Big City (Bauer)\r\nChildren of Heaven (Majidi)\r\nChocolat (Denis)\r\nChrist Stopped at Eboli (Rosi)\r\nChronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach (Straub, Huillet) \r\nChronicle of a Summer (Rouch)\r\nChronicle of the Years of Embers (Lakhdar-Hamina)\r\nChungking Express (Wong)\r\nChunhyang (Im)\r\nThe Churning (Benegal)\r\nChushingura (Inagaki) \r\nLe Ciel est a Vous (Gremillon) \r\nCinema Paradiso (Tornatore)\r\nThe Circle (Panahi)\r\nCity of God (Meirelles)\r\nCity of Lost Children (Jeunet, Caro) \r\nCity of Sadness (Hou)\r\nClaire\'s Knee (Rohmer)\r\nClass Relations (Huillet, Straub)\r\nCleo from 5 to 7 (Varda)\r\nClosely Observed Trains (Menzel)\r\nClose Up (Kiarostami)\r\nCloud-Capped Star (Ghatak)\r\nCode Unknown (Haneke) \r\nUn Coeur en Hiver (Sautet)\r\nCold Fever (Fridriksson)\r\nColonel Redl (Szabo) \r\nThe Colour of Paradise (Majidi) \r\nThe Colour of Pomegranates (Paradjanov) \r\nCome and See (Klimov) \r\nThe Commissar (Askoldov)\r\nThe Conformist (Bertolucci) \r\nContempt (Godard) \r\nLe Corbeau (Clouzot)\r\nCoup de Torchon (Tavernier) \r\nCourage of the People (Sanjines)\r\nThe Cow (Mehrjui) \r\nThe Cranes are Flying (Kalatozov) \r\nCria Cuervos (Saura) \r\nCries and Whispers (Bergman \r\nThe Crime of Monsieur Lange (Renoir) \r\nCrouching Tiger Hidden Dragon (Ang Lee) \r\nCrows and Sparrows (Zheng Junli) \r\nA Cruel Story of Youth (Oshima) \r\nThe Cruise (Piwowski) \r\nCuba, Si! (Marker)\r\nThe Cuckoo (Rogozhkin) \r\nThe Cup (Norbu) \r\nCure (Kurosawa. K) \r\nCyclo (Tran Anh-Hung) \r\nCyrano de Bergerac (Rappeneau) \r\n\r\nThe Dacians (Nicolaescu)\r\nDaisies (Chytilova)\r\nDancing in the Rain (Hladnik) \r\nDanton (Wajda)\r\nDarkness in Tallinn (Jarvilaturi) \r\nThe Dawns here are Quiet (Rostotsky)\r\nThe Day a Pig Fell into the Well (Hong Sang-soo)\r\nDaydreams (Bauer)\r\nDay for Night (Truffaut) \r\nThe Day I Became a Woman (Meshkini)\r\nA Day in the Country (Renoir) \r\nDay of Wrath (Dreyer) \r\nDays and Nights in the Forest (Ray) \r\nDays of being Wild (Wong) \r\nDays of Eclipse (Sokurov) \r\nThe Day the Sun Turned Cold (Yim Ho)\r\nDeadly Run (Miller)\r\nDeath by Hanging (Oshima)\r\nDeath in a French Garden (Deville) \r\nDeath of a Bureaucrat (Alea) \r\nDeath of a Cyclist (Bardem) \r\nThe Death of Mr Lazarescu (Puiu) \r\nDeep Red (Argento)\r\nDekalog (Kieslowski) \r\nDelicatessen (Jeunet, Caro) \r\nDemons (O\'Hara)\r\nDersu Uzala (Kurosawa)\r\nDestiny (Chahine)\r\nDestiny (Lang)\r\nLe Deuxieme Souffle (Melville)\r\nDevdas (Barua)\r\nDevi (Ray) \r\nDevils on the Doorstep (Jiang Wen)\r\nLes Diaboliques (Clouzot)\r\nDiamond Arm (Gaidai)\r\nDiamonds of the Night (Nemec) \r\nA Diary for my Children (Meszaros)\r\nDiary of a Country Priest (Bresson) \r\nDiary of a Lost Girl (Pabst)\r\nDias de Santiago (Mendes)\r\nDimensions of Dialogue (Svankmajer)\r\nDiscreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Bunuel) \r\nDitte, Child of Man (Henning-Jensen)\r\nDiva (Beineix) \r\nDjango (Corbucci)\r\nDr Mabuse (Lang)\r\nLa Dolce Vita (Fellini) \r\nThe Double Life of Veronique (Kieslowski) \r\nDouble Suicide (Shinoda) \r\nDownfall (Hirschbiegel) \r\nDo You Remember Dolly Bell? (Kusturica)\r\nDragon Inn (King Hu) \r\nThe Dream Life of Angels (Zonca) \r\nDrifting Clouds (Kaurismaki)\r\nDura Lex (Kuleshov)\r\n\r\nThe Ear (Kachnya)\r\nEarly Spring (Ozu) \r\nEarly Summer (Ozu) \r\nEarth (Dovzhenko) \r\nThe Earth\'s most Beloved Son (Marinescu)\r\nEat Drink Man Woman (Ang Lee)\r\nEclipse (Antonioni) \r\nEdvard Munch (Watkins) \r\nThe Eel (Imamura) \r\nE Flat (Ghatak)\r\n8 1/2 (Fellini) \r\n8 Diagram Pole Fighter (Lau Kar-leung)\r\nEl (Bunuel)\r\nElling (Naess)\r\nEloge de l\'Amour (Godard)\r\nElvira Madigan (Widerberg)\r\nThe Emigrants (Troell)\r\nEmitai (Sembene)\r\nEnamorada (Fernandez)\r\nEnchanted Desna (Solntseva)\r\nThe End of Summer (Ozu) \r\nL\'Enfance Nue (Pialat)\r\nL\'Enfant (Dardenne bros) \r\nLes Enfants du Paradis (Carne)\r\nThe Enigma of Kaspar Hauser (Herzog)\r\nEnjo (Ichikawa)\r\nEntr\'acte (Clair)\r\nEntre Nous (Kurys)\r\nErmo (Xiaowen)\r\nEroica (Munk) \r\nErotikon (Stiller)\r\nEsperando la Carroza (Doria)\r\nEternity and a Day (Angelopoulos) \r\nEureka (Aoyama) \r\nEuropa Europa (Holland) \r\nExterminating Angel (Bunuel) \r\nEyes without a Face (Franju) \r\n\r\nFalcons (Gaal) \r\nFallen Angels (Wong)\r\nFallen from Heaven (Lombardi) \r\nFall of Leaves (Iosseliani) \r\nThe Fall of Otrar (Amirkulov) \r\nFanny and Alexander (Bergman) \r\nFantomas (Feuillade) \r\nFarewell my Concubine (Chen)\r\nFather (Szabo) \r\nFaust (Murnau) \r\nFear Eats the Soul (Fassbinder) \r\nLa Femme Infidele (Chabrol) \r\nFesten (Vinterberg) \r\nLe Feu Follet (Malle)\r\nFinye (Cisse)\r\nFires on the Plain (Ichikawa) \r\nThe Firemen\'s Ball (Forman)\r\nThe First Charge of the Machete (Gomez)\r\nFists in the Pocket (Bellocchio)\r\nFitzcarraldo (Herzog) \r\nFloating Clouds (Naruse) \r\nFloating Weeds (Ozu) \r\nThe Flower of Shanghai (Hou) \r\nThe Flowers of St Francis (Rossellini)\r\nFlowing (Naruse)\r\nForbidden Games (Clement) \r\nForest of the Hanged (Ciulei) \r\nThe Four Hundred Blows (Truffaut) \r\nThe Fourth Man (Verhoeven )\r\nLa Frontera (Larrain) \r\nFull Sail (Muresan)\r\n\r\nGabbeh (Mohsen Makhmalbaf)\r\nGanga Bruta (Mauro) \r\nThe Garden (Sulik) \r\nThe Garden of the Finzi-Contini (De Sica) \r\nGate of Hell (Kinugasa)\r\nGertrud (Dreyer) \r\nGhost in the Shell (Oshii)\r\nGirl with a Hatbox (Barnet) \r\nThe Gleaners and I (Varda)\r\nThe Goat Horn (Andonov)\r\nThe Goddess (Wu Yonggang)\r\nGojira (Honda) \r\nThe Golden Coach (Renoir)\r\nThe Golem (Wegener)\r\nGoodbye Dragon Inn (Tsai)\r\nGoodbye Lenin (Becker) \r\nGood Men, Good Women (Hou)\r\nGood Morning (Ozu) \r\nThe Gospel according to St Matthew (Pasolini) \r\nGoto Isle of Love (Borowczyk) \r\nGrand Illusion (Renoir) \r\nGrave of the Fireflies (Takahata)\r\nGrbavica (Zbanic) \r\nThe Great Adventure (Sucksdorff) \r\nThe Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner (Herzog)\r\nGreen Fish (Lee Chang-dong)\r\nThe Green Ray (Rohmer) \r\n\r\nHababam Sinifi (Egilmez) \r\nLa Haine (Kassovitz) \r\nThe Hairdresser\'s Husband (Leconte) \r\nHalfaouine (Boughedir) \r\nHamlet (Kozintsev)\r\nHana-Bi (Kitano)\r\nThe Hand (Trnka)\r\nHanoi, Tuesday 13th (Alvarez)\r\nHappiness (Medvedkin)\r\nHara-Kiri (Kobayashi)\r\nHarvest: 3000 Years (Gerima) \r\nHaxan (Christensen) \r\nHedd Wyn (Turner) \r\nHedgehog in the Fog (Norstein) \r\nHeimat (Reitz)\r\nThe Herd (Okten)\r\nHere is your Life (Troell) \r\nHero (Zhag Yimou)\r\nHerod\'s Law (Estrada) \r\nHidden (Haneke)\r\nHidden Fortress (Kurosawa)\r\nHigh and Low (Kurosawa)\r\nThe Highway (Sun Yu)\r\nHiroshima mon Amour (Resnais)\r\nHistoires de Cinema (Godard)\r\nHitler: A Film from Germany (Syberberg)\r\nThe Hole (Tsai)\r\nThe Holy Girl (Martel)\r\nThe Holy Mountain (Jodorowsky)\r\nThe Horse Thief (Tian Zhuangzhuang)\r\nHot Winds (Sathyu) \r\nHour of the Furnaces (Solanas) \r\nHour of the Wolf (Bergman)\r\nThe House is Black (Farrokhzad)\r\nHousemaid (Kim Ki-Young) \r\nHouse of the Angel (Torre-Nilsson)\r\nHouse of the Flying Daggers (Zhang Yimou) \r\nThe House on Trubnaya Square (Barnet)\r\nHowl\'s Moving Castle (Miyazaki) \r\nThe Human Condition (Kobayashi) \r\nL\'Humanite (Dumont)\r\nHumanity and Paper Balloons (Yamanaka) \r\nHuman Resources (Cantet)\r\nHunger (Carlsen)\r\nThe Hunt (Saura) \r\nHyenas (Diop Mambety)\r\nHypothesis of the Stolen Painting (Ruiz) \r\n\r\nI am Cuba (Kalatozov) \r\nIconostasis (Hristov)\r\nIjaazat (Gulzar) \r\nIkiru (Kurosawa)\r\nIlha das Flores (Furtado)\r\nIllustrious Corpses (Rosi)\r\nI\'m Going Home (Oliveira) \r\nIn a Year of 13 Moons (Fassbinder)\r\nIndia Song (Duras) \r\nIngeborg Holm (Sjostrom)\r\nInhumaine (L\'Herbier)\r\nIn my Father\'s House (Ouazzani)\r\nInnocence (Hadzihalilovic)\r\nInnocence Unprotected (Makaveyev)\r\nL\'Innocente (Visconti) \r\nInnocent Voices (Mandoki)\r\nInsomnia (Skjoldbjaerg) \r\nInterrogation (Bugajski)\r\nIn the Heat of the Sun (Jiang Wen)\r\nIn the Mood for Love (Wong)\r\nIn the White City (Tanner)\r\nIntimate Lighting (Passer) \r\nThe Intruder (Denis) \r\nIrma Vep (Assayas)\r\nIrreversible (Noe)\r\nThe Island (Shindo)\r\nIsle (Kim Ki-Duk)\r\nAn Italian Straw Hat (Clair)\r\nIvan\'s Childhood (Tarkovsky) \r\nIvan the Terrible 1+2 (Eisenstein) \r\nI was Born, But (Ozu)\r\n\r\nThe Jackal of Nahueltoro (Littin) \r\nJapon (Reygadas)\r\nJean de Florette/Manon des Sources (Berri) \r\nJeanne Dielman (Akerman) \r\nJesus of Montreal (Arcand) \r\nLa Jetee (Marker) \r\nLes Jeux d\'Ange (Borowczyk)\r\nJour de Fete (Tati)\r\nJourney of Hope (Koller)\r\nLe Jour se Leve (Carne) \r\nJudex (Feuillade)\r\nJudex (Franju)\r\nJu Dou (Zhang Yimou)\r\nJules et Jim (Truffaut) \r\n\r\nKameradschaft (Pabst)\r\nKanal (Wajda) \r\nKeeper of Promises (Duarte)\r\nKeys to the House (Amelio) \r\nKhrustaliov, my Car! (German)\r\nKiki\'s Delivery Service (Miyazaki)\r\nKikujiro (Kitano) \r\nKiller (Woo)\r\nKingdom (Von Trier) \r\nKing Lear (Kozintsev) \r\nKing of Masks (Wu Tianming)\r\nKings and Queen (Desplechin)\r\nKings of the Road (Wenders) \r\nKino Eye (Vertov)\r\nKippur (Gitai)\r\nKnife in the Water (Polanski) \r\nKolya (Sverak)\r\nKwaidan (Kobayashi) \r\n\r\nThe Lacemaker (Goretta) \r\nLacombe Lucien (Malle)\r\nLady Snowblood (Fujita)\r\nLagaan (Gowariker) \r\nLamerica (Amelio)\r\nThe Land (Chahine)\r\nLandscape in the Mist (Angelopoulos)\r\nLand without Bread (Bunuel)\r\nLaputa Castles in the Sky (Miyazaki) \r\nThe Last Bridge (Kautner) \r\nThe Last Crusade/Michael the Brave (Nicolaescu) \r\nThe Last Laugh (Murnau)\r\nLast Life in the Universe (Ratanaruang) \r\nLast Year at Marienbad (Resnais)\r\nLatcho Drom (Gatlif) \r\nLate Spring (Ozu) \r\nLeolo (Lauzon) \r\nThe Leopard (Visconti) \r\nLiebelei (Ophuls) \r\nLife and Nothing But (Tavernier)\r\nLife is Beautiful (Benigni) \r\nThe Life of Oharu (Mizoguchi) \r\nLife on a String (Chen)\r\nLightning (Naruse)\r\nLilya 4 Ever (Moodysson)\r\nLike Water for Chocolate (Arau) \r\nLimite (Peixoto) \r\nLittle Toys (Sun Yu)\r\nLola (Demy)\r\nLola Montes (Ophuls) \r\nThe Long Farewells (Muratova) \r\nThe Lost Honour of Katharina Blum (Schlondorff, Von Trotta)\r\nLove (Makk) \r\nThe Lovers (Malle)\r\nLovers of the Arctic Circle (Medem)\r\nThe Loyal 47 Ronin (Mizoguchi) \r\nLucia (Solas) \r\n\r\nM (Lang) \r\nMaborosi (Kore-eda)\r\nMacunaima (Andrade) \r\nMadame de (Ophuls)\r\nMadchen in Uniform (Sagan) \r\nMadhumati (Roy)\r\nThe Magician (Bergman) \r\nMan Bites Dog (Belvaux, Bonzel, Poelvoorde) \r\nA Man Escaped (Bresson)\r\nMan of Marble (Wajda) \r\nMan with a Movie Camera (Vertov) \r\nMan without a Past (Kaurismaki) \r\nMandala (Im)\r\nManila: in the Claws of Neon (Brocka) \r\nMaria Candelaria (Fernandez)\r\nMarius trilogy (Pagnol..) \r\nMarketa Lazarova (Vlacil) \r\nThe Marriage of Maria Braun (Fassbinder) \r\nThe Mascot (Starewicz) \r\nMasquerade in Vienna (Forst)\r\nMa Vie en Rose (Berliner)\r\nMemories of Murder (Bong Joon-Ho) \r\nMemories of Underdevelopment (Alea) \r\nMenilmontant (Kirsanov)\r\nMephisto (Szabo)\r\nMerry Christmas (Carion) \r\nMetropolis (Lang) \r\nLe Million (Clair) \r\nMiracle in Milan (De Sica) \r\nMirror (Tarkovsky) \r\nThe Mission (To)\r\nMiss Oyu (Mizoguchi)\r\nA Moment of Innocence (Mohsen Makhmalbaf) \r\nMonday Morning (Iosseliani)\r\nMondays in the Sun (De Aranoa)\r\nMon Oncle (Tati)\r\nMon Oncle Antoine (Jutra) \r\nMonsieur Hire (Leconte)\r\nMonsieur Hulot\'s Holiday (Tati)\r\nMonsoon Wedding (Nair) \r\nMoolade (Sembene) \r\nMother (Pudovkin) \r\nMother and Son (Sokurov) \r\nThe Mother and the Whore (Eustache) \r\nMother India (Mehbob Khan) \r\nMother Joan of the Angels (Kawalerowicz)\r\nMotorcycle Diaries (Salles)\r\nMouchette (Bresson) \r\nMughal-e-Azam (Asif) \r\nThe Music Room (Ray) \r\nMy Father\'s Glory/ My Mother\'s Castle (Robert)\r\nMy Friend Ivan Lapshin (German) \r\nMy Girlfriend\'s Boyfriend (Rohmer) \r\nMy Life as a Dog (Hallstrom) \r\nMy Neighbour Totoro (Miyazaki) \r\nMy Night with Maud (Rohmer) \r\nMysterious Object at Noon (Weeresethakul)\r\n\r\nNapoleon (Gance) \r\nNargess (Etemad) \r\nNausicaa of the Valley of the Wind (Miyazaki)\r\nNayakan (Ratnam) \r\nNazarin (Bunuel) \r\nNew Babylon (Kozintsev, Trauberg)\r\nDie Nibelungen (Lang) \r\nNidhanaya (Peries) \r\nNight and Fog (Resnais) \r\nNight of the Shooting Stars (Taviani bros) \r\nNight Train (Kawalerowicz)\r\nNikita (Besson)\r\n1900 (Bertolucci) \r\nNobody Knows (Kore-eda) \r\nNo Man\'s Land (Tanovic) \r\nEl Norte (Nava)\r\nNosferatu (Murnau) \r\nNostalghia (Tarkovsky) \r\nLa Notte (Antonioni) \r\nNowhere in Africa (Link)\r\nLa Nuit du Carrefour (Renoir)\r\n\r\nThe Oak (Pintilie)\r\nOctober (Eisenstein) \r\nOedipus Rex (Pasolini) \r\nThe Official Story (Puenzo)\r\nOf Freaks and Men (Balabanov) \r\nOldboy (Park Chan-wook)\r\nLos Olvidados (Bunuel)\r\nOlympia (Riefenstahl)\r\nOne Deadly Summer (Becker)\r\nOne Way or Another (S.Gomez) \r\nOnibaba (Shindo)\r\nThe Only Son (Ozu)\r\nOpen your Eyes (Amenabar) \r\nOrdet (Dreyer)\r\nOrphee (Cocteau)\r\nOsaka Elegy (Mizoguchi)\r\nOssessione (Visconti)\r\nOur Daily Bread (Kaul) \r\nThe Outlaw and his Wife (Sjostrom)\r\nOut One (Rivette) \r\nOutskirts (Barnet) \r\nThe Oyster Princess (Lubitsch)\r\n\r\nPadre Padrone (Taviani bros)\r\nPage of Madness (Kinugasa) \r\nPaisan (Rossellini) \r\nPakeezah (Amrohi) \r\nPandora\'s Box (Pabst) \r\nPaper Flowers (Dutt)\r\nParadise Now (Abu Assad)\r\nParis nous Appartient (Rivette) \r\nThe Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)\r\nPathfinder (Gaup)\r\nPauline at the Beach (Rohmer)\r\nThe Peach Thief (Radev) \r\nPeking Opera Blues (Tsui Hark) \r\nPelle the Conqueror (August) \r\nPeople on Sunday (Siodmak,Ulmer) \r\nPepe le Moko (Duvivier) \r\nThe Perfect Circle (Kenovic)\r\nThe Perfumed Nightmare (Tahimik) \r\nLa Perla (Fernandez) \r\nPersona (Bergman) \r\nPestonjee (V.Mehta)\r\nA Petal (Jang Soon-woo)\r\nThe Phantom Carriage (Sjostrom) \r\nThe Phantom of Liberty (Bunuel)\r\nPhilanthropy (Caranfil) \r\nThe Piano Teacher (Haneke) \r\nPickpocket (Bresson) \r\nPierrot le Fou (Godard) \r\nPixote (Babenco) \r\nLe Plaisir (Ophuls) \r\nPlaytime (Tati) \r\nPlein Soleil (Clement)\r\nPlumbum or the Dangerous Game(Abdrashitov)\r\nPoil de Carotte (Duvivier)\r\nPonette (Doillon)\r\nThe Pornographers (Imamura)\r\nIl Postino (Radford) \r\nIl Posto (Olmi) \r\nPrince Ehtejab (Farmanara)\r\nPrincess Mononoke (Miyazaki)\r\nLa Promesse (Dardenne bros)\r\nPunto y Raya (Schneider)\r\nPuppetmaster (Hou)\r\nPushpak (Singeetham)\r\nPyaasa (Dutt) \r\n\r\nQuai des Brumes (Carne) \r\nQuai des Orfevres (Clouzot)\r\nThe Quince Tree Sun (Erice) \r\n\r\nRaise the Red Lantern (Zhang Yimou) \r\nRan (Kurosawa)\r\nRashomon (Kurosawa) \r\nRaven\'s End (Widerberg)\r\nReason Debate and a Tale (Ghatak)\r\nRebellion (Kobayashi) \r\nRecollections of the Yellow House (Monteiro)\r\nReconstruction (Pintilie) \r\nThe Red and the White (Jancso) \r\nThe Red Balloon (Lamorisse) \r\nRed Beard (Kurosawa)\r\nThe Red Circle (Melville)\r\nThe Red Desert (Antonioni)\r\nRed Light Bandit (Sganzerla) \r\nRed Psalm (Jancso)\r\nRed Sorghum (Zhang Yimou) \r\nRed Squirrel (Medem)\r\nLa Regle du Jeu (Renoir) \r\nLa Reine Margot (Chereau) \r\nRepentance (Abuladze)\r\nThe Return (Zvyagintsev) \r\nThe Return of Martin Guerre (Vigne)\r\nRidicule (Leconte) \r\nRififi (Dassin) \r\nRing (Nakata) \r\nAl Risalah (Akkad)\r\nThe Rise to Power of Louis XIV (Rossellini)\r\nThe River (Tsai)\r\nA River Called Titash (Ghatak)\r\nRocco and his Brothers (Visconti) \r\nRoma (Fellini)\r\nRome Open City (Rossellini) \r\nLa Ronde (Ophuls)\r\nRosa Luxemburg (Von Trotta)\r\nRosetta (Dardenne bros) \r\nLa Roue (Gance)\r\nRound up (Jancso) \r\nRouge (Kwan) \r\nRue Cases Negres (Palcy) \r\nRun Lola Run (Tykwer) \r\nRussian Ark (Sokurov) \r\n\r\nThe Sacrifice (Tarkovsky)\r\nSahib Bibi Aur Ghulam (Dutt)\r\nSalaam Bombay (Nair) \r\nSalo (Pasolini) \r\nSalt for Svanetia (Kalatozov) \r\nSalvatore Giuliano (Rosi) \r\nLe Samourai (Melville) \r\nSansho the Bailiff (Mizoguchi) \r\nSans Soleil (Marker) \r\nSant Tukaram (Damle, Fattelal)\r\nThe Saragossa Manuscript (Has) \r\nSarraounia (Hondo) \r\nSatantango (Tarr) \r\nScenes from a Marriage (Bergman)\r\nThe Scent of Green Papaya (Tran Anh-Hung)\r\nSecret Defense (Rivette)\r\nThe Sea Inside (Amenabar)\r\nThe Seedling (Benegal) \r\nA Self Made Hero (Audiard)\r\nSenso (Visconti) \r\nSeven Beauties (Wertmuller) \r\nSeven Samurai (Kurosawa) \r\nThe Seventh Continent (Haneke) \r\nThe Seventh Seal (Bergman) \r\nSex and Lucia (Medem)\r\nShadows of Forgotten Ancestors (Paradjanov) \r\nShall we Dance? (Suo)\r\nShame (Bergman) \r\nShoah (Lanzmann) \r\nShoeshine (De Sica) \r\nSholay (Sippy) \r\nShoot the Pianist (Truffaut) \r\nThe Shop on the High Street (Kadar) \r\nShow me Love (Moodysson) \r\nSiberiade (Konchalovsky)\r\nLa Signora di Tutti (Ophuls)\r\nSilence (Bergman) \r\nSilence (M.Mahkmalbaf)\r\nSilences of the Palace (Tlatli) \r\nA Simple Event (Saless)\r\nSindbad (Huszarik)\r\nSir Arne\'s Treasure (Stiller)\r\nSisters of the Gion (Mizoguchi) \r\nSlave of Love (Mikhalkov)\r\nSmiles of a Summer Night (Bergman) \r\nThe Smiling Madame Beudet (Dulac)\r\nSmoking/No Smoking (Resnais)\r\nSolaris (Tarkovsky) \r\nSolas (Zambrano)\r\nSoldier of Orange (Verhoeven)\r\nSoleil O (Hondo)\r\nSonatine (Kitano) \r\nSongs from the Second Floor (Andersson)\r\nSon of the Bride (Campanella) \r\nThe Son\'s Room (Moretti) \r\nSopyonje (Im)\r\nThe Sorrow and the Pity (Marcel Ophuls) \r\nLe Souffle au Coeur (Malle) \r\nSound of the Mountain (Naruse)\r\nSous les Toits de Paris (Clair)\r\nThe Sparrow (Chahine)\r\nA Special Day (Scola)\r\nThe Spider\'s Stratagem (Bertolucci) \r\nSpies (Lang) \r\nSpirited Away (Miyazaki) \r\nSpirit of the Beehive (Erice) \r\nSpring in a Small Town (Fei Mu)\r\nThe Spring River Flows East (Cai Chusheng)\r\nSpring Silkworms (Cheng Bugao) \r\nSpring Summer Autumn Winter Spring (Kim Ki-Duk) \r\nSpringtime in a Small Town (Tian Zhuangzhuang)\r\nStalker (Tarkovsky) \r\nStill Life (Saless) \r\nStolen Children (Amelio)\r\nStorm over Asia (Pudovkin)\r\nStory of a Cheat (Guitry) \r\nThe Story of Qiu Zu (Zhang Yimou)\r\nStory of the Late Chrysanthemums (Mizoguchi) \r\nStory of the Weeping Camel (Davaa, Falorni)\r\nStray Dog (Kurosawa)\r\nStreet Angel (Yuan Mushi) \r\nStreet of Crocodiles (Quay bros) \r\nStreet of Shame (Mizoguchi)\r\nLa Strada (Fellini) \r\nStrike (Eisenstein) \r\nStroszek (Herzog)\r\nSubarnarekha (Ghatak)\r\nSun (Sokurov)\r\nSunday in the Country (Tavernier) \r\nSundays and Cybele (Bourguinon)\r\nEl Sur (Erice) \r\nSuspiria (Argento) \r\nSuzhou Ruiver (Lou Ye)\r\nSwitchboard Operator (Makaveyev)\r\n\r\nTaipei Story (Yang) \r\nTake Care of my Cat (Jeong Jae-eun) \r\nTale of Tales (Norstein) \r\nTale of the Fox (Starewicz) \r\nTale of the Wind (Ivens) \r\nTales of the Taira Clan (Mizoguchi) \r\nTalk to Her (Almodovar) \r\nTall Shadows of the Wind (Farmanara) \r\nTampopo (Itami)\r\nTaste of Cherry (Kiarostami)\r\nTavaszi Zapor (Fejos)\r\nTears of the Black Tiger (Sasanatieng)\r\nTeesri Kasan (Bhatacharya)\r\nTen (Kiarostami) \r\nThe Tenant (Polanski)\r\nLa Terra Trema (Visconti) \r\nLe Testament d\'Orphee (Cocteau)\r\nThe Testament of Dr Mabuse (Lang) \r\nTheorem (Pasolini) \r\nTherese (Cavalier)\r\nThe Thief (Chukhrai)\r\nThree Colours trilogy (Kieslowski) \r\nThree Crowns of the Sailor (Ruiz)\r\n3-Iron (Kim Ki-duk)\r\nThrone of Blood (Kurosawa) \r\nThrough the Olive Trees (Kiarostami) \r\nTierra (Medem) \r\nTih Minh (Feuillade)\r\nTime of the Gypsies (Kusturica) \r\nTime Out (Cantet)\r\nTime Regained (Ruiz)\r\nThe Time to Live and the Time to Die (Hou) \r\nThe Tin Drum (Schlondorff) \r\nTokyo Decadence (Murakami)\r\nTokyo Drifter (Suzuki)\r\nTokyo Story (Ozu) \r\nTokyo Twilight (Ozu)\r\nTo Live (Zhang Yimou) \r\nEl Topo (Jodorowsky)\r\nToto the Hero (Van Dormael)\r\nA Touch of Zen (King Hu) \r\nTouki Bouki (Diop Mambety) \r\nTravellers and Magicians (Norbu)\r\nThe Travelling Players (Angelopoulos) \r\nTree of the Wooden Clogs (Olmi) \r\nTriplets of Belleville (Chomet) \r\nA Trip to the Moon (Melies)\r\nTristana (Bunuel)\r\nTriumph of the Will (Riefenstahl) \r\nTropical Malady (Weerasethakul) \r\nLe Trou (Becker) \r\nTsotsi (Hood)\r\nTurning Point (Beyer)\r\nTurtles can Fly (Ghobadi)\r\nTwenty Four Eyes (Kinoshita)\r\nTwo Acres of Land (Roy)\r\nTwo or Three Things I Know about her (Godard) \r\nTwo Stage Sisters (Xie Jin) \r\n2046 (Wong) \r\n\r\nUgetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi) \r\nUlysses\' Gaze (Angelopoulos) \r\nUmberto D (De Sica) \r\nThe Umbrellas of Cherbourg (Demy) \r\nUmrao Jaan (Muzaffar Ali) \r\nUnderground (Kusturica) \r\nUnder the Skin of the City (Etemad) \r\nUnfinished Piece for Player Piano (Mikhalkov)\r\nUnforgettable Summer (Pintilie)\r\nUnknown Pleasures (Jia Zhangke)\r\nThe Unknown Soldier (Laine) \r\nThe Unknown Soldier\'s Patent Leather Shoes (Vulchanov)\r\nUrga (Mikhalkov) \r\nUttara (Dasgupta)\r\nUzak (Ceylan) \r\n\r\nVagabond (Varda) \r\nValerie and her Week of Wonders (Jires) \r\nLes Valseuses (Blier)\r\nVampires (Feuillade) \r\nVampyr (Dreyer) \r\nThe Vanishing (Sluizer) \r\nVariety (Dupont)\r\nVengeance is Mine (Imamura)\r\nVeronika Voss (Fassbinder) \r\nA Very Long Engagement (Jeunet)\r\nLa Ville est Tranquille (Guediguian)\r\nThe Virgin Stripped Bare.. (Hong Sang-soo)\r\nViridiana (Bunuel) \r\nI Vitelloni (Fellini) \r\nVive l\'Amour (Tsai)\r\nVivre sa Vie (Godard) \r\nVoyage beyond the Impossible (Melies)\r\nVoyage to Italy (Rossellini) \r\n\r\nThe Wages of Fear (Clouzot) \r\nWaiting for Happiness (Sissako) \r\nWar and Peace (Bondarchuk)\r\nThe Water Magician (Mizoguchi) \r\nThe Wayward Cloud (Tsai) \r\nWe all Loved Each Other so Much (Scola)\r\nWedding in Galilee (Khleifi) \r\nWeekend (Godard) \r\nThe Weeping Meadow (Angelopoulos)\r\nWend Kuuni (Kabore) \r\nWerckmeister Harmonies (Tarr)\r\nWestfront 1918 (Pabst) \r\nWhat have i done to deserve this? (Almodovar) \r\nWhat Time is it There? (Tsai) \r\nWhen a Woman Ascends the Stairs (Naruse) \r\nWhere is the Friend\'s House? (Kiarostami)\r\nWhispering Pages (Sokurov) \r\nThe White Balloon (Panahi)\r\nWho Pays the Piper? (Shah) \r\nWild Reeds (Techine) \r\nThe Wind will Carry us (Kiarostami)\r\nWinter Light (Bergman)\r\nWhy did Bodhi-Dharma leave for the East? (Bae Yong-kyun) \r\nWife be like a Rose (Naruse) \r\nThe Wild Child (Truffaut)\r\nWild Strawberries (Bergman) \r\nWings of Desire (Wenders) \r\nWoman of the Dunes (Teshigahara) \r\nWomen on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown (Almodovar)\r\nThe Wonderful Lie of Nina Petrowna (Schwarz)\r\nThe World (Jia Zhangke)\r\nW.R.Mysteries of the Organism (Makaveyev)\r\n\r\nXala (Sembene) \r\n\r\nYaaba (Ouedraogo)\r\nYang Kwei Fei (Mizoguchi)\r\nYear of the Quiet Sun (Zanussi)\r\nYeelen (Cisse) \r\nYellow Earth (Chen) \r\nYi Yi (Yang) \r\nYojimbo (Kurosawa) \r\nYol (Guney) \r\nYoung Torless (Schlondorff)\r\nY Tu Mama Tambien (Cuaron) \r\n\r\nZ (Costa-Gavros) \r\nZatoichi (Kitano) \r\nZero de Conduite (Vigo) \r\nZvenigora (Dovzhenko)','6ba1dd7c7f1aded5a783d6e99601cbec',0,'','L1Smtkci',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7830,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141052520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: The world cinema canon','Wow! Breathtaking! A really great job was done, John! Seems to have nothing to add, but let me think a little!\r\n\r\nBTW, my Soviet recommendations weren\'t out of place, yeah?','6816a02232c41d5457a044b357c59a54',0,'','srw2fEAR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7831,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141054980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: The world cinema canon','Looking through them it would seem sensible to amalgamate both lists as there\'s not exactly a huge quality difference between them.\r\n\r\nVery good mix of classic, modern, lightness and depth.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','8b00d0972599c7081e3a71e08342f79d',0,'','FigYLd1Q',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7832,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141071300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: The world cinema canon','Yes, very helpful Soviet recommendations, Mikhail! \r\n\r\nI will merge the lists- now if i knew how to do a quick sorting alphetically it would be easier! I got some good Romaina recommendation at imdb- there are some highly rated if not well known films from there, and i\'m trying to extend the canon to be more genuinely international. A pity Indonesia is difficult. I need to check Madhuban\'s Indian faves again to add some more from there.','76517191841878fa5c94fe287804cd35',0,'','nFxvYS1U',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7833,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141083180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: The world cinema canon','Fascinating list John! \r\n\r\nWill need to look through this more carefully, but the only film that I did not find here, and would have liked to see on such a list is Imamura\'s \"The Pornographers\". Will add others if they occur to me.\r\n\r\nM','a5a20bf7197a03b63c90717d5e2ac595',0,'','L8xp1mSv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7834,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141161180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: The world cinema canon','Consider me ignorant, but what exactly is this list? I mean we have an index of films mentioned and reviewed here. I can\'t exactly gather what you\'re up to with this.','331716aeb9fb8d487ec5ff7e7ee430cd',0,'','QDl21Lvc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7835,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141163160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: The world cinema canon','It started out as a response to a thread elsewhere about the Movieline 100 non-English language films, which along with many others i found limited and unsatisfactory. My own list was originally planned simply to include a fairer distribution of countries, and burgeoned into 500, then beyond, with complaints of missing films that deserved to be included. I originally did the 500 + reserves here, but have combined the 2 into something quite unwieldy. But i think- with or without other listings and reviews here- it may provide a canon that\'s useful as a guide for further viewing. There are countries (Romania for instance) with films highly rated by those who\'ve seen them but virtually unknown, even to knowledgeable cinephiles, elsewhere. I\'m trying to challenge and refresh the usual canons dominated by Western films + taste. But you\'re quite right, this site already does that very well. Having already done the list elsewhere, well i didn\'t think it would take much time or do any harm transferring it here. There may be some vistiors here not as knowledgeable as you (so hopefully intrigued by some unknown titles) or less familiar with everything on the site. Take it or leave it.\r\n\r\np.s- it may be a base for anyone thinking of writing an anthology of foreign films- the Bloomsbury Foreign Film guide was fine, but long out of date, The International Dictionary of Films even older, the Videohound World Cinema perfectly acceptable but more limited- if there\'s any similar but better publication i\'d be interested to know. Mind you, if you took this site\'s collection of reviews you\'d have a pretty impressive publication, anyway.','8cd5222cd2902c50aa774fb0be13936f',0,'','Rbztjl7A',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7836,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141281360,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: The world cinema canon','I see your point, now how long until we make the American film canon?\r\n\r\nI thought I had a pretty good knowledge of American films until I started looking at Jonathan Rosenbaum\'s alternate AFI list, but I do recognize as most people should that the man has extremely esoteric tastes. Nevertheless there were many films I not only never saw, but never even heard of.','fa2a1970ec5ec974f5b7cca1adb451fe',0,'','oij6Hkn8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7837,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141726800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: The world cinema canon','John, if it\'s possible, perhaps you should highlight the films that you\'ve added since the original post.','d1183c8e02d2ce12cb986c6fd0988b1c',0,'','Yv2X6M3Z',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7838,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141737660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: The world cinema canon','Oops, i didn\'t keep the original frozen, just added to it at different times. I know i\'ve added a few Indian ones, including Who Pays the Piper, possibly Nayakan, now Sahib Bibi Aul Ghulam, Madhumati, E Flat, possibly Nayakan. (After what Madhuban said, i\'ve dropped Rang de Basanti which was in as an unknown, mainly on the basis of imdb- in almost every other case i\'ve been getting other supportive sources). Oh yes, and Diary of a Lost Girl and Kameradschaft by Pabst, The Princess and the Warrior, also Ermo, Devils on the Doorstep from China, Enamorada from Mexico. 1000 really ought to be the limit; not far off, now. Indonesia has such a huge population, Pakistan too, so there should be stronger representation.\r\n\r\nDo suggest any that should be included.','a25fd54337a7a399040931e8a5d8560a',0,'','g1mehDno',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7839,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141768860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: The world cinema canon','Well if you\'re adding Pabst films, I\'d suggest Westfront 1918, which gets my vote for his masterpiece (even above Pandora\'s Box).','9a044cb62e04f634d0b809b78329470c',0,'','yBGsvLzd',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7840,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142116140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: The world cinema canon','Thanks for another great list John. I like your idea very much, and I would like to see it extended way over 1000 films.\r\nI know it may be much work, but I think it would be better if you would list the films chronologically than alphabetically, so that one has a better overview. But it may be much work.\r\nAdditional masterpieces (or close to it), but I\'m not sure if all of them are missing:\r\n\r\nZina (Ken Mc Mullen / UK / 1985)\r\nMes petites amoureuses (Jean Eustache / France / 1974)\r\nRed Wheat (Zivojin Pavlovic / Yugoslavia / 1971)\r\nDancing in the rain (Bostjan Hladnik / Yugoslavia / 1961)\r\nGanga Bruta (Humberto Mauro / Brazil / 1933)\r\nSaint Tukaram (Vishnupant Govind Damle, Sheikh Fattelal / India / 1936)\r\nThe Fiances (Ermanno Olmi / Itakly / 1963)\r\nBlack Peter (Milos Forman / Czechoslovakia / 1964)\r\nLa derive (Paula Delsol / France / 1964)\r\nIdentification Marks: None\" (Jerzy Skolimowski / Poland / 1964)\r\nThe Sword of Doom\" (Kihachi Okamoto / Japan / 1965)\r\nDjango (Sergio Corbucci / Italy, Spain, France / 1966)\r\nOthon (Jean-Marie Straub, Danile Huillet / West Germany, Italy / 1969)\r\nA Simple Event\" (Sohreb Shahid Saless / Iran / 1973)\r\nLady Snowblood\" (Toshiya Fujita / Japan / 1973)\r\nTwo Men in Town\" (Jos Giovanni / France, Italy / 1973)\r\nThe little Mermaid\" (Karel Kachyna / Czechoslovakia / 1975)\r\nMad Dog Morgan (Philippe Mora / Australia / 1976)\r\nRaise Ravens\" (Carlos Saura / Spain / 1976)\r\nA Dirty Story (Jean Eustache / France / 1977)\r\nMother and Daughter (Giovanna Gagliardo / Italy / 197 \r\nPossession (Andrzej Zulawski / France, West Germany / 1981)\r\nMoonlighting (Jerzy Skolimowski / UK / 1982)\r\nWu lang ba gua gun \"Eight Diagram Pole Fighter\" (Chia-Liang Liu / Hong Kong / 1983)\r\nDer Aufenthalt \"The Turning Point\" (Frank Beyer / East Germany / 1983)\r\nClass Relations (Danile Huillet, Jean-Marie Straub / West Germany, France / 1984)\r\nAngels Egg (Mamoru Oshii / Japan / 1985)\r\n\r\nand I\'ll list more in the future, as my time on this PC is almost up.','55c1832d5becfdb76afadd7779183f9f',0,'','kKrniyHL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7841,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142209920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: The world cinema canon','Cria Cuervos/ Raise Ravens and Sant Tukaram are in already and i\'ve added Lady Snowblood, which i\'d thought was too. I\'m excluding British English-language films, even if by non-Anglophone directors (though films in Welsh are of course a different matter!). I\'ll consider your other suggestions, when i\'ve done more study, as most i\'ve not seen and some titles are not very familiar, and also it\'s now very close to 1000 (which would be a significant threshold to cross, decimal tyranny and all that). Sorry to take this awkward stance, but if i include everything suggested the list really could get out of hand, however long you might want it to be!\r\n\r\nO.k, i\'ve now added A Simple Event + Lau\'s Pole Fighter (difficult to know which to have by the director, Tony Rayns loves Dirty Ho and i\'d already been tempted by that, but i\'ll give precedence to you, the imdb average score precedence, and my own sense of its probably greater popularity).\r\n\r\nI first came across Othon in John Kobal\'s book of Top 100 Movies- not as one of the 100, but when each critic/contributor named their least favourite film! In this case 2 chose it as their worst; Michel Ciment (who picked Sansho the Bailiff, Sunrise and La Regle du Jeu in his top 10!) and Giovanni Grazzini. I\'d be interested in why they hated it so much, haven\'t seen it, but can imagine Straub\'s style may alienate quite a few critics. It\'s not included in my Bloomsbury Foriegn Film Guide but here\'s what Time Out guide has to say:\r\n\"the film can be mesmerising or irritating: irritating if one tries to force it into fulfilling preconceived notions of plot and character, mesmeric if one trusts the film-maker to lead one into fresh areas of perception\". Which makes it sound both significant + intriguing.\r\n\r\nBy Straub, i\'d most like to see Not Reconciled, which many hate. Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach was certainly worthwhile, and Gilbert Adair\'s book Flickers picked (the quite obscure?) The Death of Empedocles to represent the year 1987. \r\n\r\nI disliked Zulawski\'s Possession, but then there are quite a few films in the canon i\'m not keen on, so that certainly doesn\'t rule it out. I\'d rather be inclusive than exclusive + overly conservative. Do say more about any you specially want to champion.','bcdb83ef843e9f5725d6c642d5fa1340',0,'','gzQcfUaT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7842,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142291280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: The world cinema canon','Right, A: I\'ve looked up the ones i wasn\'t familiar with- unfortunately most of them weren\'t in any of my usual trusty world cinema reference/history books.\r\n\r\nGanga Bruta i remembered as important to/influential on Brazil\'s Cinema Novo and my book on Brazilian cinema also says it\'s his masterpiece. So that\'s in.\r\n\r\nAlso Dancing in the Rain, for its very high imdb average score, albeit not many votes. And the Oshii rang a bell and sounds intriguing. Django i have seen- it\'s o.k- + Black Peter i\'d read about before; both still borderline. I don\'t think i\'m qualified to decide on the others though- The Little Mermaid, Red Wheat and The Turning Point rate higher than the remainder at imdb.\r\n\r\nAnyway, it\'s alway exciting to have new films to check out from round the world, thanks.','181c69d20142fa42b837c994a9f4d918',0,'','oHtg8pXU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7843,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142332080,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: The world cinema canon','John, I am surprised that \"Lagaan\" makes the list. A very bad film, I think. Definitely shouldn\'t be on this great list.\r\n\r\nI would love to see Rivette\'s \"Paris Belongs To Us\" here.\r\n\r\nM','bab7f5d9d54153577b1a035cb6606336',0,'','BRdPK26b',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7844,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142342520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: The world cinema canon','I wasn\'t very keen on Lagaan either but this is a canon as much as my own personal choices, and in fact at imdb a couple of people bemoaned its absence from the original 500. I\'ve enjoyed all the Rivette films i\'ve seen and would love to see Paris nous Appartient, which has a reputation as among the most underrated of the early new wave, though it was among the BFI 360 classics- so in here it goes too.','ff091cedad260590df337cf6caf1e677',0,'','B8FMhG43',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7845,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142400240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: The world cinema canon','Lagaan may not be worthy of this list, but it shouldn\'t be thrown aside, either. It\'s not an art film, and it doesn\'t pretend to be one. The film\'s allegorical premise works rather well considering that it largely supports stock characters and motifs. And the fact that a large part of its 3+ hr running is simply devoted to the game of cricket is encouraging in a sense because the filmmakers can\'t be blamed for pandering to the western viewers.','5ffd00bdb603cdeaa553dbf92515554f',0,'','hEcyoAqZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7846,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143068460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: The world cinema canon','arsaib, I have nothing against popular films. Rather, I genuinely think that they deserve serious study. I appreciate the fact that a film can be made about cricket. But, my problem with \"Lagaan\" is somewhat akin to what I said about \"Mr and Mrs Iyer\". The film pays lip service to the hugely contested issue of caste in India. One could have done without Kachra and his moment of triumph! It says nothing about the crude realities of being an \"untouchable\" in India. Nor is the \"untouchable\" ever accepted into the fold in such an admirable fashion. It is just too naively and simplistically rendered, just as the fact of colonialism is all black and white. The film should have left the caste issue alone and simply made a film about cricket. Also, the first half of the film drags so much that you wish it began and ended with the racy second half. Finally, my objection to having \"Lagaan\" on this list as a representative of contemporary Indian cinema comes from the fact that there are at least five films made after it that deserve to be here instead of this feel good, empire-writing-back kind of moviemaking!','0e32332ae1d10b27d8286de5263d9c52',0,'','gHpCUNsX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7847,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143089400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: The world cinema canon','You\'ve made some good points, although I was perhaps aware of them and took them in consideration before my verdict. And that\'s because, as simplistic as the rendition might be, a film like Lagaan still reaches a much wider audience and thus is more effective than a more comtemplative art film. I can\'t disagree however that there are countless films that are more worthy of the list.','c7aa94ea27d08bbabdf8e4ae558d3784',0,'','vDqYrny2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7848,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143429420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: The world cinema canon','Sorry for my very late answer John.\r\nI will hopefully write more about the films I listed and maybe add some others when I have more time.\r\nFor now let me just say, that by Straub/Huillet, I think \"Class Relations\" (1984) is a must. An adaptation of Kafka\'s Amerika in german the film is imo one of the greatest films in cinema history. I\'ve written a lengthy review of it, but as it\'s in german, and I don\'t have the time or nerve to translate it, I hope you will just believe me Or maybe you can find something on it in the net.\r\nOthon is of a different quality, and one which I would think much more accessible, but obviously I was wrong in my judgment. Nevertheless the two critics listing it as the \"worst film\" must have skipped the film, as this is a very very stupid assessment. Maybe more excusable if they are not used to the french language but even then The film is a very static \"enactment\" of a phenomenal french play of which I have unfortunately forgotten title and author. It may not be one of the greatest films ever, but in it\'s use of language it may be one of the most pleasurable films imaginable. The beautiful text recited in the context of this film - presented through the powerful cinematography of Renato Berta -Straub/Huillet\'s structuring brings about a tremendous sensual pleasure as well as bringing its meaning to the surface.\r\nIf you speak french, a must!!','c27d38bea7951738a6e3578add575bcd',0,'','shYJQ27c',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7849,1561,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143439320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: The world cinema canon','As if i would doubt you! In fact, i\'d added Class Relations already. You make both films sound so enticing!','c3a03165a5f3378d3fb2d204ac49f44b',0,'','WsmAK5Ti',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7850,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1123453800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Worst film from a Great Director','We had this before, but lately watching Luna from Bertolucci the topic sprang up again. Sometimes a director has a serious case of writers block, or sometimes he just gets a little too ambitious, or sometimes they just have rather shaky beginnings, for whatever reason even the greatest directors are prone to make horrible pieces of @#%$. So use this thread to voice your opinion on the great directors worst films.','e4caeccb49eb93f57530e95d43a7b1e4',0,'','o62vKrf0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7851,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1104544800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Unregistered(d)','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','(This post is missing and can not be restored)','51d03dd81ed64a8cb72bacb7855182da',0,'','kG8pf0xo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7852,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1123479900,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','Haven\'t seen a bad film from a director I consider great, but if I\'ll stumble across one (or remember it) I\'ll post.\r\nI\'m very curious about the posts.','5a0cfd7170700bc4f7bcbd5ce8b32976',0,'','jRxfAyJz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7853,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1123555320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','I don\'t know about Great Director, probably too soon to say that but Takeshi Kitano\'s \"Getting Any\" is an atrociously bad taste comedy, full of smutty schoolboy humour and well below any of his other films.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','cc3139898239f1a13d0b43fa08dd9c95',0,'','0jiL7Vk2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7854,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1123616040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','Consider both directors great, but I haven\'t seen the mentioned films,yet. I\'m curious to my reaction when I\'ll see them in the future, as my expectations are very low now.','dc728b685bc85145957effe8a4d2fab9',0,'','tpW8Ps7c',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7855,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1123635180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','Bertolucci has made enough bad films that I question his Great Director status, but then he\'s made The Conformist, Before the Revolution and Besieged.\r\n\r\nAnyway, Oliver Stone\'s U-Turn qualifies even though it might become a \"cult\" film in the future. Eastwood has made a few.','5ec9f2db6c8fc75efd87d39816fde060',0,'','DouJcERQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7856,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124077500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','Antonioni\'s ridiculous \"Zabriskie Point\"easily the biggest turkey \r\nfrom a major director,that wonderful sound track(Grateful Dead,Pink Floyd,John Fahey etc) is the only redeeming feature.Being An old hippie with a haircut this pile of crap gives us old bastards a bad name! \r\nPs i hardly rate \"Oliver Stoned\" as a great director but he does make some horrible films.\r\nCheers Chas','b5221aa3143fea8dea09c93a2cfd32d3',0,'','HlC9KjLs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7857,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124084460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','Perhaps not a great director, but I\'d rate Arthur Penn\'s Alice\'s Restuarant the same. It is obnoxious hippie crap and the film is horribly lousy. Ironically though, Arlo Guthrie\'s album that it\'s based on is pretty damn good, just didn\'t convert to the screen as well as people might have hoped.','df63c807fef50ba09e7fb3fe4a795c97',0,'','xFgd2yvP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7858,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1129220700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'kookook','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','Titanic ... by far. One of the worst films ever. \"As Good As It Gets\" or \"L.A. Confidential\" should both have come in ahead of that lump of poo.\r\n\r\nAlso ...\r\n\r\nForrest Gump ... that movie got a monstrous eye roll from me also. I would have preferred Pulp Fiction, or even Shawshank at the time, although I\'m pretty sick of it now.\r\n\r\nDances With Wolves ... this movie was ridiculous ... hey how about \"Goodfellas?\" I guess it split the \"mafia\" vote.\r\n\r\nRain Man ... supposedly this is supposed to be a great movie, but I find it completely boring. My attention wanders off every time I try to watch it. Dangerous Liaisons would have been a better pick in my opinion.\r\n\r\nAnd that\'s as far back as my opinion will go because before that, I either agree or was too young or nonexistent to understand the context of the films in their times.','044e5c1add443becbaa70e9b0c28408c',0,'','5AqNK2wi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7859,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1129254540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','So, you consider these directors great? (James Cameron, Robert Zemeckis, Kevin Costner, Barry Levinson).\r\nImo Forrest Gump is one of the best films of the year, and Dances with Wolves also. Titanic and Rain Man I liked, but I only consider Zemeckis a great director. But Kostner is a strong contender with three astounding films, and a fine popcorn -movie (waterworld). Or maybe it\'s just that I like Kevin Costner...','01e58d58362bbdc5a26092194ab0ddd7',0,'','mHVsAjK2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7860,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1129328220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','I think it is. Speaking of popcorn directors, James Cameron has consistently made some of the most entertaining movies around. I mean True Lies is hardly a masterpiece, but damn if it isn\'t fun to watch.\r\n\r\nbtw it really looks as though this topic was misread as a place to bitch about Oscar selection, which is always welcome around here.','95efe0ac10d8b2e138101ef998806ef3',0,'','7uA9HCE4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7861,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1129780080,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','i wouldn\'t take james cameron or kevin costner to a @#%$ fight as targets!','5f2b33bd4fa7c226cc86c10096101d0a',0,'','N41Bpe6t',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7862,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1132595100,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','I wrote my opinion on this topic. \r\nOne of the worst films by a really great director (I didn\'t consider such directors as e.g. Cameron, he-he) is La Vocce della Luna by Fellini - his last film. \r\n\r\nOh, and Antonioni\'s last Eros is a piece of crap. I think he shouldn\'t make movies more.','ba75316c93be69840f68a7a1a00eaac3',0,'','aoem6YCf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7863,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137067740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','hi miklosk, i agree with you. It is painful to see Antonioni (a director whose work i like very much) deteriorating with every film from \"Zabriskie Point\" onwards. His segment in \"Eros\" is the worst piece of filmmaking i\'ve seen in years. \"Beyond the Clouds\" was equally bad. He\'s simply lost it! I would love to remember the Antonioni of \"Il Grido\", the trilogy (L\'Avventura, La Notte and L\'Eclisse), \"Red Desert\", \"The Passenger\", \"Blow-Up\" and a much lesser known \"The Mystery of Oberwald\".\r\n\r\nM','98a78b97d7b0e2c3346ea15044f3ab29',0,'','pD79Nq8V',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7864,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137187980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','Zabriskie Point has it\'s moments, although a severely flawed film, and a little too much hippie crap for my liking. I think he rebounded nicely with The Passenger, which is actually my favorite film of his.','cdf27dcc607c98f2e859eca3771560c0',0,'','X3dqflmF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7865,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140431880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','Zabriskie Point is absolutely fantastic, using the camera as another character, sometimes the main character. It\'s almost as good as his greatest film The Passenger.\r\n\r\nAnyone slagging off Michelangelo\'s recent work should probably realise that the guy can no longer speak and his films are directed second-hand by his wife, or Wim \"i\'ve disappeared up my own bum\" Wenders.','ddab939b3b6c345f5b7004f79861977e',0,'','sg2jYEve',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7866,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140694860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','@Anasazie\r\n\r\nWim\'s latest offering, the 10-minute short, \"Twelve Miles to Trona\", which is part of the \"Ten minutes Older: The Trumpet\" anthology is a visually stunning film. I haven\'t given up on Wenders yet! \r\n\r\nM','f3032d5f5440350d0241ba27a66b2cd3',0,'','nRfvWh9b',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7867,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140759000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','@Madhuban\r\n\r\nWenders latest film is Don\'t Come Knocking, i haven\'t seen it yet. He\'s also made Soul of a Man, which i found condescending and trite, and Land of Plenty, which i couldn\'t believe was made by the same guy who directed Paris, Texas, since that Trumpet thing you mentioned, so it\'s not even close to be his most recent work. I actually think the directing credits of Land of Plenty are a hoax and it was really made by a cross-bread of Oliver Stone and Michael Bay. Obvious, strangely patriotic, didactic, literal, dull etc etc. Probably the worst film i\'ve paid money to see in 2 years. I have well and truly given up on Wenders. His work has become so self-important.','51e1430b77c169d5558bfddd6c720db0',0,'','4zjhYqet',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7868,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140823920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','@Anasazie\r\n\r\nI live in a country where a foreign film takes at least two years to arrive Now you know why \"Twelve Miles to Trona\" seems fairly recent to me But, giving up on Wenders will be hard.\r\n\r\nM','283b991f61f3f04db8ee9a73baae8a27',0,'','YtSWn85V',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7869,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142114400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','Agree on Anasazie with Zabriskie Point. One of my Top 20 films.\r\nFrom \"recent\" Wenders I\'ve only seen Million Dollar Hotel which I liked very much, The End of Violence which was very good imo, and Buena Vista Social Club, also good, though not as strong. The short on the compilation didn\'t impress me very much.\r\nI don\'t know if he\'s lost it, although he is nowhere the man who made Paris, Texas (another of my Top 20).','d9389c0f0b0d5a7d5a2af495652a312c',0,'','4CRP5qEN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7870,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142494380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Anasazie','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','A.\r\n\r\nWhen you\'ve seen Land of Plenty or even Soul of a Man, let me know if you still don\'t know whether Wenders has lost it.','1bb0dff5ebf40c758c0f70888efdf8a3',0,'','ChXm6Mzo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7871,1562,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1143044580,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Worst film from a Great Director','Well, i\'ve been so disillusioned with Wenders\' work for well over a decade that i\'ve not got round to the few latest ones under discussion. I hated End of Violence and Million Dollar Hotel, but the positive reaction of some French critics to Don\'t Come Knocking gives me some hope all\'s not lost forever. I loved (+ still love) some of his 70\'s and 80\'s films to the point that his inferior and yes self-important later stuff becomes almost too painful to contemplate. I was in a lovestruck goose-pimpled daze for weeks after seeing Alice in the Cities and Paris Texas.\r\n\r\nI think Wings of Desire, and the largely deserved acclaim that received, was where it started to go wrong. His later attempts at philosophising are embarrassingly pretentious, and i think he\'s missed Robbie Muller. Still, Until the End of the World was not the absolute disaster many thought- David Thomson called it \"as awful a film as a good director has made\". The initial version i saw was confused, unbalanced, weighed down in the second half, and let down by its editing, but with enough strengths to promise something better that might have been; i\'m sure the updated cut is likely to have been an improvement.','667113d27ec3bb21a30a28d9e0fd183e',0,'','FGWRm0U8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7872,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140181380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','My TOP50 Soviet films','It\'s my recommendation for foreigner who wishes to know more about Soviet cinema. I didn\'t include Russian (i.e. post-1991) films. \r\nI thought of top100 list but that would have too many absolutely unavailable for foreigners movies. This one also contain really rare films, but if you can find them you\'ll enjoy them!\r\n\r\nKino-eye (Dziga Vertov, 1924)\r\nStrike (Sergey Eisenstein, 1925)\r\nBattleship Potyomkin (Sergey Eisenstein, 1925)\r\nThe Girl with the Hat Box (Boris Barnet, 1927)\r\nOctober (Sergey Eisenstein, 1927)\r\nArsenal (Alexander Dovzhenko, 1928 ) \r\nMan with a movie camera (Dziga Vertov, 1929)\r\nEarth (Alexander Dovzhenko, 1930)\r\nSalt for Svanetia (Mikhail Kalatozov, 1930)\r\nIvan (Alexander Dovzhenko, 1932)\r\nOutskirts (Boris Barnet, 1933)\r\nThree songs about Lenin (Dziga Vertov, 1934) \r\nAlexander Nevsky (Sergey Eisenstein, 1938 ) \r\nIvan the Terrible (Sergey Eisenstein, 1944)\r\nThe Forty-first (Grigory Chukhrai, 1956)\r\nThe Cranes Are Flying (Mikhail Kalatozov, 1957)\r\nBallade of a soldier (Grigory Chukhrai, 1959)\r\nClear Heaven (Grigory Chukhrai, 1961)\r\nIvan\'s Childhood (Andrey Tarkovsky, 1962)\r\nShadows of Forgotten Ancestors (Sergey Parajanov, 1964)\r\nI am Cuba (Mikhail Kalatozov, 1964)\r\nI am twenty (Marlen Khutsiyev, 1964)\r\nLong Happy Life (Gennady Shpalikov, 1966)\r\nBeware of the Car! (Eldar Ryazanov, 1966)\r\nJuly Rain (Marlen Khutsiyev, 1966)\r\nBrief Encounters (Kira Muratova, 1967)\r\nSayat Nova (Sergey Parajanov, 1968 ) \r\nAndrey Rublyov (Andrey Tarkovsky, 1969)\r\nCheck-up On the Roads (Alexei German, 1971)\r\nA Long Goodbye (Kira Muratova, 1971)\r\nYou and Me (Larisa Shepitko, 1971)\r\nIrony of Fate (Eldar Ryazanov, 1975)\r\nMirror (Andrey Tarkovsky, 1975)\r\nTwenty Days Without War (Alexei German, 1976)\r\nAscent (Larisa Shepitko, 1976)\r\nOrdinary Wonder (Mark Zakharov, 1978 ) \r\nStalker (Andrey Tarkovsky, 1979)\r\nThat Munchhausen (Mark Zakharov, 1979)\r\nA Fox Hunt (Vadim Abdrashitov, 1980)\r\nThe Train Has Stopped (Vadim Abdrashitov, 1982)\r\nNostalghia (Andrey Tarkovsky, 1983)\r\nEpilogue (Marlen Khutsiyev, 1983)\r\nParade of planets (Vadim Abdrashitov, 1984)\r\nThe Legend of the Suram Fortress (Sergey Parajanov, 1984)\r\nMy Friend Ivan Lapshin (Alexei German, 1984)\r\nPlumbum, or The Dangerous Game (Vadim Abdrashitov, 1986)\r\nThe Lonely Human Voice (Alexander Sokurov, 1987)\r\nAshugi Qaribi (Sergey Parajanov, 1988 ) \r\nThe Days of Eclipse (Alexander Sokurov, 1988 ) \r\nThe Asthenic Syndrome (Kira Muratova, 1989)\r\n\r\n+\r\n\r\nNine Days in One Year (Mikhail Romm, 1961)\r\nI Step Through Moscow (Georgi Daneliya, 1963)\r\nFather of a soldier (Rezo Chkheidze, 1964)\r\nOrdinary Fascism (Mikhail Romm, 1965)\r\nNo Crossing Under Fire (Gleb Panfilov, 1967)\r\nFalling Leaves (Otar Iosseliani, 196 \r\nDon\'t Grieve (Georgi Daneliya, 1969)\r\nByelorussia Station (Andrei Smirnov, 1970)\r\nThe Beginning (Gleb Panfilov, 1970)\r\nPastorali (Otar Iosseliani, 1975)\r\nSlave of Love (Nikita Mikhalkov, 1976)\r\nThe Tree of Desire (Tengiz Abuladze, 1977)\r\nUnfinished Piece for Mechanical Piano (Nikita Mikhalkov, 1977)\r\nFive evenings (Nikita Mikhalkov, 1979)\r\nCome and See (Elem Klimov, 1985)','51f1ccc62b0d2b89260b4e295f896ecd',0,'','7ztZfcFr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7873,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140181740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','The Lonely Human Voice (Alexander Sokurov, 1987)\r\n\r\nWhat\'s this about? A fine list, by the way.','289af7421e4e72986b2b12b390c61318',0,'','CwiQ5zAn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7874,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140181860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','Very interesting list. Half i\'ve not seen, and some of them i know nothing about! So should be fascinating to explore but as you know the problem will always be with availability here. I see Vertov\'s Enthusiasm is now getting a British dvd release. I\'ve been wanting to see a few from Kazakhstan, such as Fall of Otrar (Amirkulov). Kira Muratova is one director i\'d like to get to know, cos many who\'ve seen her films rate her highly don\'t they? I heard something about a short German season in London, but not sure if it\'s current/just finished.\r\n\r\nFor what it\'s worth, here are the ones i\'ve enjoyed most:\r\n\r\nMirror (Tarkovsky)\r\nAndrei Rublev (Tarkovsky)\r\nThe Colour of Pomegranates (Paradjanov)\r\nStalker (Tarkovsky)\r\nTale of Tales (Norstein)\r\nBattleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)\r\nMan with a Movie Camera (Vertov)\r\nAlexander Nevsky (Eisentein)\r\nIvan the Terrible 1+ 2 (Eisenstein)\r\nSalt for Svanetia (Kalatozov)\r\nNostalghia (Tarkovsky)\r\nFall of Leaves (Iosseliani)\r\nArsenal (Dovzhenko)\r\nBallad of a Soldier (Chukhrai)\r\nEarth (Dovzhenko)\r\nCome and See (Klimov)\r\nGirl with a Hatbox (Barnet)\r\nIvan\'s Childhood (Tarkovsky)\r\nHappiness (Medvedkin)\r\nThe Ascent (Shepitko)\r\nStrike (Eisenstein)\r\nUnfinished Piece for Player Piano (Mikhalkov)\r\nI am Cuba (Kalatozov)\r\nShadows of Forgotten Ancestors (Paradjanov)\r\nThe Cranes are Flying (Kalatozov)\r\nKing Lear (Kozintsev)\r\nAshik Kerib (Paradjanov)\r\nOctober (Eisenstein)\r\nDaydreams (Bauer)\r\nChild of the Big City (Bauer)\r\nTwilight of a Woman\'s Soul (Bauer)\r\nWar and Peace (Bondarchuk)\r\nLegend of the Suram Fortress (Paradjanov)\r\nSolaris (Tarkovsky)\r\nStorm over Asia (Pudovkin)\r\nAprile (Iosseliani)\r\nMother (Pudovkin)\r\nDark Eyes (Mikhalkov)\r\nOutskirts (Barnet)\r\n\r\npost-Soviet:\r\nThe Return (Zvyagintsev)\r\nBurnt by the Sun (Mikhalkov)\r\nMother and Son (Sokurov)\r\nRussian Ark (Sokurov)\r\nThe Thief (Chukhrai)\r\nOf Freaks and Men (Balabanov)','70fab45a1769389d9ce21e3c1c25cc03',0,'','lSA3bXev',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7875,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140182280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','Sokurov\'s The Lonely Human Voice is his first feature film. It\'s really difficult to retell the plot (like all Sokurov\'s movies). Based on Andrey Platonov\'s story it tells about young man that tries to find his place in life afte civil war, he tries to find love, to find kindred spirit.','15a520ae54c4896056f4726b2424f2d5',0,'','YLwrEpSx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7876,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140182400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','Yes, John, Muratova (especially her early movies not modern) is something magical. \r\nAnd I insist that Abdrashitov should be known more widely!','9325def3aceb33736b3ae32ff0ed6bcc',0,'','0B6eQbat',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7877,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140182880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','Muratova\'s Chekhovian Motifs is now available, John; it\'s not one of her best but it\'ll certainly introduce you to her approach.','e01128900f40f616f5c4309731ad7969',0,'','FCMj5qwA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7878,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140183000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','Latest Muratova movies are something much weaker than her best early stuff.','c84fa4d214611ffca008fa896db2b771',0,'','XMKgmQb2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7879,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140183660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','I should say you know Soviet cinema very well =)\r\nI\'ve seen all films you posted and almost all of them are enjoyable.\r\n\r\nMikhalkov\'s movies are available for foreigners??? Wow!!!\r\nOf course, I should include him in my list, but I decided to post only 50 movies.\r\nOk, I\'ll extend my list...','7a09706320aa2171666b85efa0825d3c',0,'','PnBy4UW7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7880,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140183900,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','Any opinions or recommendations please on:\r\n\r\nRepentance (Abuladze)- in my holding queue at Amazon, wondering if i should promote it for sending.\r\nEnchanted Desna (Solntseva)\r\nPoem of the Sea (Sontseva)\r\nThe Beginning (Panfilov)\r\nThe Red Snowball Tree (Shukshin)\r\nPirosmani (Shengelaya)\r\nAelita (Protazanov)\r\nBed and Sofa (Room)\r\nDiamond Arm (Gaidai)\r\nVolga Volga (Alexandrov)\r\nThe House on Trubnaya Square (Barnet)\r\nNew Babylon (Kozintsev, Trauberg)\r\nHamlet (Kozintsev)\r\nSlave of Love (Mikhalkov)\r\nChapayev (Vasiliev)\r\nLady with a Little Dog (Heifits)\r\nThe Extraordinary Adventures of Mr West (Kuleshov)','3f1e1fac7fe06608dc0285224561e4c2',0,'','EV9yJpem',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7881,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140184920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','Repentance - definitely recommendable.\r\nThe Beginning - marvellous story about young talented actress. Churikova demonstrates really great performance.\r\nThe Red snowball tree - I don\'t like it. Mawkish sentimentality, false story.\r\nDiamond Arm - mainstream comedy. The most popular film among Soviet audience. It makes laugh, but I\'m not sure if foreigner could understand some jokes.\r\nHamlet - not very succesfull screen version of Shakespear.\r\nChapayev - biography of a legendary civil war commander. Historically interesting, but the film itself is not very good in my opinion.\r\nSlave of love - MUST SEE!','9d6606fd556a523eafadd1e21863e0cc',0,'','jRbuCU38',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7882,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140185400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','Ok, I continue...\r\n\r\nAelita - silent sci-fi by Protazanov. Not very good, but technically interesting.\r\nVolga Volga - old naive comedy. A bit outdated, but quite enjoyable.\r\nThe Lady with the Dog - Chekhov screening. Not the best. You\'d better see Heifits\'s My beloved','a981fe48f762428ebaf292f5a4b24ef1',0,'','peZXcN8D',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7883,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140191160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','MikLosk,\r\n\r\nLike John I\'ve seen about half of your first list, but you are gradually revealing other unheard of treasures! This community is such a precious reference for films to seek out! \r\n\r\nM','e8e882279ada739a6df957aa862fe0c9',0,'','aPvzMXfl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7884,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140192000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MikLosk','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','madhuban, I\'m glad to hear that my list can be useful for someone. \r\nNumber of active members in our community is not very great, but all of them make it very interesting.','7622b882b63bc43612180a63adf08395',0,'','RWdKt74H',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7885,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140213600,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','I\'ve only seen 13 from your list, apart from the silent classics and Tarkovsky, we get very little in the way of Russian releases in the UK.\r\n\r\nLooks like I\'ll have to start importing some, does anyone know of any good suppliers?\r\n\r\nCheers Trev','c753f5869ef1455fbf82212ec6bda8ce',0,'','nTwtq5e2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7886,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140218160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','I got some DVD\'S from amazon.com (US)- to buy for multi-region player; eg Barnet, Iosseliani, Tale of Tales. For rental try Lovefilm (i\'m cut off from them now i\'m in France), and of course Moviemail are an excellent UK suppliers of world cinema. Sorry can\'t be more specific.','66e50cc42b96695850c885140cf94bf8',0,'','NJkDywU6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7887,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1140250200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','Since Kozintsev\'s King Lear is on your list, John, I\'d also go for Hamlet. From the versions I\'ve seen, it\'s the definite one for me. Simply breathtaking to watch and listen to.\r\n\r\nTrev, try this site.','ce5367c8a1388cf4459ace68084c5d03',0,'','voWJ7u3x',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7888,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1141000980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gululv','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','What about Muratova\'s \"Getting to Know the Big Wide World\"? Have you seen that? I read that it is the film Muratova herself likes best of the films she has made.','bea6f8a55e23b4ce7bda20d7fa7869a1',0,'','E3zm15eV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7889,1563,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142114820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: My TOP50 Soviet films','Much thanks for your list Mik!!\r\nFerom the ones you listed I\'ve only seen 13, which are imo all essential. The problem here in Germany is availability also (as I don\'t speak russian I need subtitles).\r\nBut the films I want to see the most are the early films by Paradjanov (e.g. Flower on the Stone, Ukrainian Raphsody, The first Lad) . The excerpts I\'ve seen from this were absolutely breathtaking to me.\r\nCould you maybe write something about those?','26ce326ddb8420320923ce2f3ff174f7',0,'','iYrmL7tR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7890,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1127550540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Best of Eastern Europe?','Being that I live close to Facets, I have a pretty good connection to the films of Eastern Europe. I thought about maybe having a poll for which of the Eastern countries made the best movies, but I thought that would be too easy. \r\n\r\nI\'ve grown quite fond of Hungarian film recently. I have not seen a great deal of films from the country, but all I\'ve seen have been well worth recommending. Granted like many times, the first was still the best, being Miklos Jansco\'s Red and the White. More and more of these films are slowly coming out on DVD, I know that Love (1971) is an upcoming Kino release, and it is also coming out in Europe within the next month or two.\r\n\r\nThe country that has always gotten the most attention through film history and what not was Czechoslovakia. The Czech new wave to me is actually pretty weak. It only lasted for roughly four years, and I don\'t think it produced a great deal of proportional masterpieces. Sure there is always gonna be praise to go around for Closely Watched Trains and The Shop on Main Street, but even those films are slightly overrated imo. I still look forward to seeing Diamonds of the Night, which is disturbingly out of print, hopefully Facets will get on this, they released that and Report on the Party and the Guests on VHS many years ago, so here\'s hoping.\r\n\r\nYugoslavia is a tough country to understand in it\'s film movement. The availability of it\'s films are extremely scarce. A recommended list of films from the nation basically reads like a filmmography of Dusan Makajevek and Emir Kustirica. The few films not directed by these two men are completely impossible to find here in the US, so it\'s hard to judge a countries films based on the work of just two directors.\r\n\r\nPoland has on the hand has a much more varied cinematic output. There are numerous key players from here, and lots to go around on various home video sources. Kieslowski is obviously the most popular among modern audiences, and the majority of his important Polish films are available on DVD, I still wait for the Calm Before the Storm, but I\'m picky. Both Andrzej Wajda and Andrzej Munk are easy to come across. Munk because he only made 2 1/2 films, all of which are essentials, and Wajda has a whole boxed set of films available. I\'ve been gradually discovering the work of Kryzstoff Zanussi as well, and his Family Life is a great place to start.\r\n\r\nThen we have the USSR. The country with teh longest and most influential film history, and the only one of these countries still making a dent in international film (Bela Tarr notwithstanding). Historically the edge has to go here, simply between the montage movement and Andrei Tarkovsky it\'s hard for anyone to compare. I know Alexander Sukorov is hit or miss amongst this crowd, and I\'ve still only seen Russian Ark, so I can\'t make any judgement calls. \r\n\r\nSo call this a general salute to the films made under the iron curtain, contribute what you can, make a list if you feel like it, but salute the films from this period in this part of the world.','2a3f69bf2f8cebddcf7dd14cfddfdfc0',0,'','CmEP1BL2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7891,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1127553480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'returning','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','Makk\'s Love is an extraordinary film, and certainly one of the more definitive films of the Eastern european sensibility. Of his other work I\'ve only seen Cat\'s Play on VHS and his mediocre if not intriguing Dostoyevsky film The Gambler.\r\n\r\nSecond Run DVD in the UK seem to be releasing alot of Eastern Euro gems, along with Love they\'re also releasing Makk\'s Another Way as well as rarities from Kawalerowicz, Forman, and Bugajski.\r\n\r\nThere really need to be more Jancso\'s available on DVD, The Round up and The Red Psalm especially.\r\n\r\nI\'d add Armenia to the list, although Paradjanov and Peleshyan are often grouped under USSR, both of they\'re ouevres have a distinctively folkloric style unique to their country.\r\n\r\nA few other favourites: Guney (Turkey), Vlacil (Czechoslovakia), Wojciech Has (Poland). Speaking of Vlacil, I remember signing a petition recently for Marketa Lazarova to get released I believe by MOC sometime, but haven\'t heard anything about it since.\r\n\r\nI\'d also like to reccomend Ibolya Fekete\'s Chico, recently released by Facets.','1f41892ef10b08322694211a387405a7',0,'','QiDMex6m',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7892,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135726860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','My recommendations (from old Communist bloc):\r\n\r\nThe Double Life of Veronique (Kieslowski)\r\nWerckmeister Harmonies (Tarr)\r\nDekalog (Kieslowski)\r\nThe Red and the White (Jancso)\r\nLove (Makk)\r\nThe Saragossa Manuscript (Has)\r\nSwitchboard Operator (Makaveyev)\r\nRound Up (Jancso)\r\nValerie and her Week of Wonders (Jires)\r\nClosely Observed Trains (Menzel)\r\nDaisies (Chytilova)\r\nMephisto (Szabo)\r\nAlice (Svankmajer)\r\nAnother Way (Makk)\r\nTime of the Gypsies (Kusturica)\r\nA Blonde in Love (Forman)\r\nAngi Vera (Gabor)\r\nKanal (Wajda)\r\nDimensions of Dialogue (Svankmajer)\r\nMother Joan of the Angels (Kawalerowicz)\r\nNo Man\'s Land (Tanovic)\r\n\r\nNotables to see:\r\n\r\nSatantango (Tarr)\r\nMarketa Lazarova (Vlacil)\r\nIntimate Lighting (Passer)- forthcoming dvd ordered\r\nDiamonds of the Night (Nemec)\r\nTavaszi Zapor (Fejos)\r\nThe Attached Balloon (Zheliazkova)\r\nThe Oak (Pintilie)\r\nEroica (Munk)\r\nButtoners (Zelenka)\r\n\r\noverrated:\r\nAshes and Diamonds (Wajda)\r\nKnife in the Water (Polanski)\r\nKolya (Sverak)\r\nUnderground (Kusturica)\r\nShop on the High Street (Kadar)','ca4406da6118160cc32b4d6f49b823cf',0,'','sbefJzCu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7893,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135896900,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','Saying Ashes and Diamonds is overrated is heresey in my world, but to each his own. Interesting that many of your picks I\'d also recommend, but there seem to be very subtle differances in titles (Switchboard Operator, A Blonde in Love, etc.) Bela Tarr remains unknown in the US, but I hope that more of his work will continue to be released here, in any format. Werckmeister Harmonies in particular.','023e16580e51d412a9a79de76ee4ff95',0,'','Ee1Vwx0K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7894,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135902240,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','Heresy eh? Well i can always excuse myself by saying i wasn\'t quite in the right mood for Ashes and Diamonds. Er, except i didn\'t expect The Spanish inquisition (noone expects the Spanish inquisition!). For what it\'s worth i remember Britain\'s former Labour Chancellor of the Exchequer Dennis Healey picking it as one of his favourite films.\r\n\r\nAny recommendations from Romania or Bulgaria?','6b609c5c14852fd93000c6d8aa1b2ba9',0,'','y5tAsWRH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7895,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137065220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','hi wpqx, 60s czech cinema being overrated, is heresy in my world and john, \"underground\" in your overrated list is no less! \r\n\r\na wonderful list of recommendations though. i\'m adding to them:\r\n\r\nCurrent - Istvan Gaal (a 60s film from Hungary)\r\nThe Innocent Sorcerers - Andrzej Wajda (my favourite Wajda film really!)\r\nThe Cremator - Juraj Herz (you might revise your opinion about the czech new wave...though Herz says he was kind of a marginal figure and never identified himself with the movement)\r\n\r\nM','13a596ed5c68c14ca863059a3d38446c',0,'','DeAg3sWM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7896,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137126480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','From what I\'ve seen and loved (excluding USSR):\r\n\r\n1. \"Daisies\" (Vera Chytilova / Czechoslovakia / 1968) \r\n2. Few of Us (Sarunas Bartas / Lithuania / 1996)\r\n3. Underground (Emir Kusturica / Federal Republic of Yugoslavia / 1995)\r\n4. \"The Turning Point\" (Frank Beyer / East Germany / 1983)\r\n5. \"A bite to eat\" and \"Diamonds of the night\" - one really should watch these two together! (Jan Nemec / Czechoslovakia / 1960 + 1964)\r\n6. \"Red Wheat\" (Zivojin Pavlovic / Yugoslavia / 1971)\r\n7. \"Dimensions of Dialogue\" (Jan Svankmajer / Czechoslovakia / 1982)\r\n8. \"The Red and the White\" (Miklos Jansco / Hungary / 1967)\r\n9. \"Identification Marks: None\" (Jerzy Skolimowski / Poland / 1964)\r\n10. \"Adoption\" (Marta Meszaros / Hungary / 1975)\r\n11. \"Dancing in the Rain\" (Bostjan Hladnik / Yugoslavia / 1961) \r\n12. \"The Girl\" (Marta Meszaros / Hungary / 1968) \r\n13. \"The Little Mermaid\" (Karel Kachyna / Czechoslovakia / 1975)\r\n14. \"When father was away on business\" (Emir Kusturica / Yugoslavia / 1985)\r\n15. \"Sergeant Jim\" (France Stiglic / Yugoslavia / 1955)\r\n16. \"The Lease\" (Kristijonas Vildziunas / Lithuania / 2002)\r\n17. \"Normal People\" (Oleg Novkovic / Federal Republic of Yugoslavia / 2001)\r\n18. \"Black Peter\" (Milos Forman / Czechoslovakia / 1964)\r\n\r\nand I also liked very much:\r\n\r\n\"Audition\" (Milos Forman / Czechoslovakia / 1963)\r\n\"Do you remember Dolly Bell?\" (Emir Kusturica / Yugoslavia / 1981)\r\n\"A short film about killing\" (Krzysztof Kieslowski / Poland / 1988) \r\n\"Time of the gypsies\" (Emir Kusturica / Yugoslavia / 1988) \r\n\"Innocence Unprotected\" (Dusan Makavejev / Yugoslavia / 1968) \r\nUpir z feratu (Juraj Herz / Czechoslovakia / 1981)\r\n\"Dark Blue World\" (Jan Sverak / Czech Repuvlic / 2001)\r\n\"The Ride\" (Jan Sverak / Czech Republic / 1994)\r\n\"A quiet week at the house\" (Jan Svankmajer / Czechoslovakia / 1969)\r\nRdeci boogie ali Kaj ti je deklica (Karpo Acimovic Godina / Yugoslavia / 1982)\r\n\"The Flat\" (Jan Svankmajer / Czechoslovakia / 1968) \r\n\"Faust\" (Jan Svankmajer / Czech Republic / 1994)\r\n\"Ashes and Diamonds\" (Andrzej Wajda / Poland / 1958) \r\nSpokoj \"The Peace\" (Krzysztof Kieslowski / Poland / 1976)\r\n\"Hands Up!\" (Jerzy Skolimowski / Poland / 1981)\r\n\"Closely observed trains\" (Jiri Menzel / Czechoslovakia / 1966)\r\n\"Knife in the water\" (Roman Polanski / Poland / 1962)\r\n\"Czech Dream\" (Vit Klusak, Filip Remunda / Czech Republic / 2004)\r\n\"Hi Tessa!\" (Robert Glinski / Poland / 2001)\r\n\"Naked among wolves\" (Frank Beyer / East Germany / 1963)\r\n\r\nProbably forgot some, but still much to see!','7b7c8f1fcc30f69f4b4e645d2d7f6440',0,'','6MHGq2bD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7897,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137134400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','Has anyone seen the Bulgarian film The Attached Balloon? In my imagination it\'s already among the handful of most wonderful films. So perhaps a film to stay unseen to avoid possible disappointment! I\'m delighted to find it gets great ratings at imdb, confirming my belief. \r\n\r\nAnd the American Quay twins\' British animated short Street of Crocodiles should really be classed as a Czech film, not only for its quirky macabre surreal character, influenced by Svankmajer + Kafka- it obviously sees itself as Czech. I love it.','9620ee8ef61c37f7949a504b1b5093e0',0,'','lD23UJWk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7898,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137147180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','a great list A. haven\'t seen many of them simply because they are just not available with renting libraries here. i\'d have to buy them or charm the library proprietor into procuring them. have been doing the latter so much lately, that i wonder if he will suffer another long wishlist from me. will work on that nevertheless \r\n\r\nsince you mentioned kieslowski, i\'ll add my favourite film, \"Camera Buff\". Though the later kieslowski has his distinct charms, my preference for this early film has never changed. He lost the lightness of touch and the wry humour of this film as he went on to make the Dekalog and the trilogy (though there are rare glimpses of it in \"White\"). A story about a man who buys a camera to photograph his newly born child and becomes obsessed with it, \"Camera Buff\" is a delightful film about film itself. If you haven\'t seen it, please do.\r\n\r\nM','e77556b8b24ade0847de5041a2b0131d',0,'','7xg8TPHU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7899,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137187740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','My favorite early Kieslowski (pre-Decalogue) would be Blind Chance. I just love the whole concept of it, and I\'m one of those people who can lie awake nights for hours wondering how much would be different with one little detail. That film brilliantly shows how one man\'s life would be radically different from an event that wouldn\'t seem to have much weight. I have not yet seen the Calm Before the Storm, so perhaps I\'ll get a new favorite someday. I would like to get a closer look at some of his films, there\'s so much in all of them, that I really think I\'m missing something with just one viewing.','a44560f0973e5ae73bbd0e37050b15ad',0,'','cS6Bwrhx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7900,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1139567160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','I\'m re-posting my effusion on Jancso (from the \"last seen\" thread) to where it logically belongs.\r\n\r\nElectra My Love - Miklos Jancso\r\n\r\nThis is an incredible film, if you have the taste for a highly personalised contemporary interpretation of myth. Known for paying scant respect to the story, Jancso assumes that the Electra myth is familiar to his audience. Instead of fleshing out his characters - Electra, Orestes and Aegisthus - he composes a ritualistic theatre that communicates through the movements. Against the wide, vast canvas of the Hungarian plain, these weirdly attired (in peasant clothes) figures enact a pageant that is as precise in its choreography, as is the camera movement that captures it. The pageant reinforces one of Jancso\'s pet themes: oppression. By giving the Electra myth a contemporary home in Hungary, Jancso draws attention to the fact that the history of tyranny and oppression repeats itself endlessly, and the body politic needs to rise from the dead like a phoenix. More than the message, it is the layered vehicle for the message that is riveting. The pageant is performed for the actors (who double up as actors in the pageant and the audience for it), for the camera (that records as it re-choreographs), and for the audience (who read and attribute meaning to this non-linear stylized spectacle). The story and the allegory, if they can be identified as such, are unpacked through these interactions. There are the characteristic long takes that is Jancso\'s signature. In contrast to Pasolini\'s \"Oedipus Rex\" which is also a contemporary interpretation of Greek myth, Jancso does not establish or provide any narrative logic to the transposition of the Electra story in modern Hungary. While Pasolini begins his film with a modern couple in a modern setting, Jancso begins with ritual. \"Electra My Love\" traverses the grey zone between myth and reality, past and present, deliberately blurring their boundaries. Electra recites paeans to justice and holds forth on the dangers of tyranny, as easily as she is made to sing Hungarian folk songs. Orestes lies dead and is resurrected. Agamemnon\'s death is ritually re-enacted at Aegisthus\' behest and a man sacrificed, while Electra and Orestes have revolvers in their hand and board a phoenix-like red helicopter at the end. These are not inconsistencies or anachronisms (what imdb might call \"goofs\"); they are simply part of the stylization and emphasise Jancso\'s exploration of ambiguity as opposed to the story. Ambiguity is also evident in the way the oppressors become the oppressed. \"Electra My Love\" isn\'t a film for everyone, but can be hugely rewarding if you are able to get inside Jancso\'s language and vision.\r\n\r\nM','e6b9ccfd00c5156a47ca45507d173af6',0,'','QTumCdbr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7901,1564,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1142113980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Best of Eastern Europe?','Thanks, I\'ve added this to my \"To see\" - list.','de11335e46fd5e5811cb381746de5cd1',0,'','CSePkzfE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7902,1565,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137691740,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','My (ever evolving) top 500','Asterisks mark favourites.\r\n\r\n1905 Voyage beyond the Impossible (Melies)\r\n\r\n1914 Twilight of a Woman\'s Soul (Bauer)\r\n\r\n1915 Les Vampires (Feuillade)*\r\nDaydreams (Bauer)\r\n\r\n1916 Intolerance (Griffith)\r\n\r\n1919 Broken Blossoms (Griffith)\r\n\r\n1922 Nosferatu (Murnau)**\r\n\r\n1924 Sherlock jnr (Keaton)*\r\nEntr\'acte (Clair)\r\n\r\n1925 Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)**\r\nThe Gold Rush (Chaplin)**\r\nStrike (Eisenstein)\r\nThe Big Parade (Vidor)\r\nThe Adventures of Prince Achmed (Reiniger)\r\n\r\n1926 The General (Keaton, Bruckman)**\r\nFaust (Murnau)\r\nTown Rat, Country Rat (Starewicz)\r\n\r\n1927 Sunrise (Murnau)***\r\nMetropolis (Lang)**\r\nThe Chess Player (Bernard)*\r\nGirl with a Hatbox (Barnet)\r\nNapoleon (Gance)\r\nOctober (Eisenstein)\r\n\r\n1928 The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)*\r\nPandora\'s Box (Pabst)*\r\nQueen Kelly (Von Stroheim)\r\nSteamboat Bill Jnr (Keaton)\r\n\r\n1929 Man with a Movie Camera (Vertov)**\r\nSpies (Lang)*\r\nArsenal (Dovzhenko)\r\nPeople on Sunday (Siodmak, Ulmer)\r\n\r\n1930 Salt for Svanetia (Kalatozov)*\r\nMorocco (Von Sternberg)\r\nAll Quiet on the Western Front (Milestone)\r\nEarth (Dovzhenko)\r\n\r\n1931 City Lights (Chaplin)*\r\nMadchen in Uniform (Sagan)*\r\nMarius (Korda)\r\nM (Lang)\r\n\r\n1932 Boudu Saved from Drowning (Renoir)*\r\nTrouble in Paradise (Lubistch)\r\nLove me Tonight (Mamoulian)\r\nLiebelei (Ophuls)\r\nFanny (Allegret)\r\nShanghai Express (Von Sternberg)\r\nVampyr (Dreyer)\r\n\r\n1933 Duck Soup (McCarey)*\r\nKing Kong (Cooper, Schoedsack)*\r\nThe Testament of Dr Mabuse (Lang)*\r\nSons of the Desert (Seiter)\r\n\r\n1934 L\'Atalante (Vigo)**\r\nIt Happened One Night (Capra)**\r\nThe Scarlet Empress (Von Sternberg)*\r\nThe Mascot (Starewicz)\r\nHappiness (Medvedkin)\r\nSong of Ceylon (Wright)\r\n\r\n1935 Top Hat (Sandrich)**\r\nThe 39 Steps (Hitchcock)*\r\nDavid Copperfield (Cukor)*\r\nThe Devil is a Woman (Von Sternberg)*\r\nThe Bride of Frankenstein (Whale)\r\nA Night at the Opera (Wood)\r\nLe Crime de Monsieur Lange (Renoir)\r\n\r\n1936 Partie de Campagne (Renoir)**\r\nThe Only Son (Ozu)*\r\nSwing Time (Stevens)*\r\nOsaka Elegy (Mizoguchi)\r\nCesar (Pagnol)\r\nSisters of the Gion (Mizoguchi)\r\n\r\n1937 La Grande Illusion (Renoir)**\r\nHumanity and Paper Balloons (Yamanaka)*\r\nThe Awful Truth (McCarey)\r\nPepe le Moko (Duvivier)\r\n\r\n1938 Alexander Nevsky (Eisenstein)**\r\nBringing up Baby (Hawks)* \r\nThe Childhood of Maxim Gorki (Donskoi)\r\n\r\n1939 La Regle du Jeu (Renoir)***\r\nStory of the Late Chrysanthemums (Mizoguchi)**\r\nGone with the Wind (Fleming)\r\nDestry Rides Again (Marshall)\r\nThe Wizard of Oz (Fleming)\r\n\r\n1940 The Thief of Bagdad (Berger, Powell, Whelan)**\r\nFantasia (Disney- Sharpsteen)\r\nRebecca (Hitchcock)\r\nPinocchio (Disney- Sharpsteen, Luske)\r\n\r\n1941 Citizen Kane (Welles)**\r\nThe Maltese Falcon (Huston)**\r\nDumbo (Disney- Sharpsteen)*\r\nThe Lady Eve (P.Sturges)*\r\n\r\n1942 Casablanca (Curtiz)**\r\nTo Be or Not to Be (Lubitsch)**\r\nThe Loyal 47 Ronin (Mizoguchi)*\r\nThe Magnificent Ambersons (Welles)\r\nPalm Beach Story (P.Sturges)\r\n\r\n1943 Day of Wrath (Dreyer)*\r\nThe Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (Powell, \r\nPressburger)\r\nI Walked with a Zombie (Tourneur)\r\n\r\n1944 Ivan the Terrible (Eisenstein)*\r\nDouble Indemnity (Wilder)*\r\nMurder, my Sweet (Dmytryk)\r\nLaura (Preminger)\r\n\r\n1945 Les Enfants du Paradis (Carne)**\r\nLeave her to Heaven (Stahl)\r\n\r\n1946 The Big Sleep (Hawks)**\r\nIt\'s a Wonderful Life (Capra)*\r\nA Matter of Life and Death (Powell, Pressburger)*\r\nNotorious (Hitchcock)*\r\nLa Belle et la Bete (Cocteau)*\r\nIvan the Terrible 2 (Eisenstein)*\r\nGreat Expectations (Lean)\r\nGilda (C.Vidor)\r\nMy Darling Clementine (Ford)\r\n\r\n1947 Monsieur Verdoux (Chaplin)*\r\nBlack Narcissus (Powell, Pressburger)\r\n\r\n1948 Letter from an Unknown Woman (Ophuls)**\r\nThe Red Shoes (Powell, Pressburger)*\r\nTreasure of the Sierra Madre (Huston)\r\nThe Lady from Shanghai (Welles)\r\nPortrait of Jennie (Dieterle)\r\nThe Pirate (Minnelli)\r\n\r\n1949 Late Spring (Ozu)**\r\nKind Hearts and Coronets (Hamer)**\r\nThe Third Man (Reed)*\r\nStray Dog (Kurosawa)\r\nWhite Heat (Walsh)\r\n\r\n1950 Orphee (Cocteau)**\r\nSunset Boulevard (Wilder)*\r\nDiary of a Country Priest (Bresson)\r\nRashomon (Kurosawa)\r\n\r\n1951 Early Summer (Ozu)*\r\nMiss Oyu (Mizoguchi)*\r\nThe Lady from Musashino (Mizoguchi)*\r\nThe Lavender Hill Mob (Crichton)\r\nThe River (Renoir)\r\nThe Day the Earth Stood Still (Wise)\r\n\r\n1952 Singin in the Rain (Donen, Kelly)**\r\nThe Life of Oharu (Mizoguchi)**\r\nCasque d\'Or (Becker)**\r\nThe Quiet Man (Ford)*\r\nBaiju Bawra (Bhatt)*\r\nLe Plaisir (Ophuls)\r\nEl (Bunuel)\r\nOthello (Welles) \r\nThe Golden Coach (Renoir)\r\n\r\n1953 Tokyo Story (Ozu)***\r\nThe Band Wagon (Minnelli)**\r\nUgetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi)**\r\nMadame de (Ophuls)*\r\nVoyage to Italy (Rossellini)\r\nRoman Holiday (Wyler)\r\nThe Big Heat (Lang)\r\n\r\n1954 Sansho the Bailiff (Mizoguchi)***\r\nSeven Samurai (Kurosawa)***\r\nSenso (Visconti)*\r\nJohnny Guitar (N.Ray)*\r\nRear Window (Hitchcock)\r\nChikamatsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi)\r\nThe Far Country (A.Mann)\r\nTwenty Four Eyes (Kinoshita)\r\n\r\n1955 Pather Panchali (S.Ray)**\r\nTales of the Taira Clan (Mizoguchi)**\r\nNight of the Hunter (Laughton)**\r\nOrdet (Dreyer)**\r\nKiss me Deadly (Aldrich)**\r\nLola Montes (Ophuls)*\r\nEast of Eden (Kazan)*\r\nYang Kwei Fei (Mizoguchi)*\r\nSmiles of a Summer Night (Bergman)\r\n\r\n1956 The Searchers (Ford)**\r\nA Man Escaped (Bresson)*\r\nAparajito (S.Ray)*\r\nEarly Spring (Ozu)*\r\nThe Court Jester (Panama, Frank)*\r\nStreet of Shame (Mizoguchi)\r\nThe Killing (Kubrick)\r\nThe Burmese Harp (Ichikawa)\r\nGiant (Stevens)\r\n\r\n1957 Twelve Angry Men (Lumet)*\r\nPaths of Glory (Kubrick)*\r\nFunny Face (Donen)*\r\nThrone of Blood (Kurosawa)\r\nThe Incredible Shrinking Man (Arnold)\r\n\r\n1958 Vertigo (Hitchcock)**\r\nHidden Fortress (Kurosawa)*\r\nTouch of Evil (Welles)\r\nThe Music Room (S.Ray)\r\nThe Magician (Bergman)\r\n\r\n1959 North by Northwest (Hitchcock)***\r\nSome Like it Hot (Wilder)***\r\nHiroshima mon Amour (Resnais)**\r\nThe World of Apu (S.Ray)**\r\nBallad of a Soldier (Chukhrai)*\r\nPaper Flowers (Dutt)*\r\nLes 400 Coups (Truffaut)*\r\nImitation of Life (Sirk)\r\nLe Testament d\'Orphee (Cocteau)\r\nThe Nun\'s Story (Zinnemann)\r\n\r\n1960 L\'Avventura (Antonioni)***\r\nThe Apartment (Wilder)**\r\nCloud-Capped Star (Ghatak)**\r\nMughal-e-Azam (Asif)*\r\nLa Dolce Vita (Fellini)* \r\nLe Trou (Becker)\r\nWild River (Kazan)\r\n\r\n1961 The Human Condition trilogy (Kobayashi)** \r\nEl Cid (A.Mann)**\r\nLa Notte (Antonioni)*\r\nLast Year at Marienbad (Resnais)*\r\nThe End of Summer (Ozu)*\r\nThe Innocents (Clayton)*\r\nOne-Eyed Jacks (Brando)*\r\n\r\n1962 Lawrence of Arabia (Lean)**\r\nIvan\'s Childhood (Tarkovsky)\r\nHara-Kiri (Kobayashi)\r\nThe Man who Shot Liberty Valance (Ford)\r\nThe House is Black (Farrokhzad)\r\nEclipse (Antonioni)\r\nVivre sa Vie (Godard)\r\n\r\n1963 8 1/2 (Fellini)**\r\nThe Leopard (Visconti)*\r\nContempt (Godard)*\r\nThe Great Escape (J.Sturges)*\r\nHigh and Low (Kurosawa)*\r\nCharade (Donen)\r\nThe Servant (Losey)\r\nIt\'s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (Kramer)\r\n\r\n1964 Dr Strangelove (Kubrick)**\r\nMarnie (Hitchcock)**\r\nGertrud (Dreyer)**\r\nKwaidan (Kobayashi)*\r\nThe Gospel according to St Matthew (Pasolini)*\r\nCharulata (S.Ray)*\r\nTwo Stage Sisters (Xie Jin)*\r\nGoldfinger (Hamilton)*\r\nI am Cuba (Kalatozov)\r\nBlack God White Devil (Rocha)\r\nThe Naked Kiss (Fuller)\r\nThe Pink Panther (Edwards) \r\nWoman of the Dunes (Teshigahara)\r\nShadows of Forgotten Ancestors (Paradjanov)\r\n\r\n1965 Pierrot le Fou (Godard)**\r\nThe Battle of Algiers (Pontecorvo)*\r\nThe Saragossa Manuscript (Has)*\r\nRed Beard (Kurosawa)\r\nRound Up (Jancso)\r\nOnibaba (Shindo)\r\nThe Train (Frankenheimer)\r\n\r\n1966 Andrei Rublev (Tarkovsky)***\r\nPersona (Bergman)**\r\nClosely Observed Trains (Menzel)\r\nThe Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Leone)\r\n\r\n1967 Belle de Jour (Bunuel)*\r\nMouchette (Bresson)*\r\nBonnie and Clyde (Penn)*\r\nThe Graduate (Nichols)*\r\nThe Red and the White (Jancso)\r\nHour of the Wolf (Bergman)\r\nPlaytime (Tati)\r\nSwitchboard Operator (Makaveyev)\r\nThe Commissar (Askoldov)\r\nBranded to Kill (Suzuki)\r\nWar and Peace (Bondarchuk)\r\n\r\n1968 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)***\r\nThe Colour of Pomegranates (Paradjanov)**\r\nMy Night with Maud (Rohmer)**\r\nOnce Upon a Time in the West (Leone)**\r\nGoto, Isle of Love (Borowczyk)*\r\nFall of Leaves (Iosseliani)*\r\nShame (Bergman)\r\n\r\n1969 The Wild Bunch (Peckinpah)*\r\nDays and Nights in the Forest (S.Ray)*\r\nA Touch of Zen (King Hu)\r\n\r\n1970 Claire\'s Knee (Rohmer)**\r\nThe Conformist (Bertolucci)*\r\nThe Sorrow and the Pity (Marcel Ophuls)*\r\nFive Easy Pieces (Rafelson)\r\nLittle Big Man (Penn)\r\nValerie and her Week of Wonders (Jires)\r\nThe Private Life of Sherlock Holmes (Wilder)\r\nThe Red Circle (Melville)\r\nWalkabout (Roeg)\r\n\r\n1971 Pakeezah (Amrohi)**\r\nLe Souffle au Coeur (Malle)*\r\nLove (Makk)\r\nDeath in Venice (Visconti)\r\nAnne and Muriel (Truffaut)\r\nKlute (Pakula)\r\nKing Lear (Kozintsev)\r\n\r\n1972 Aguirre Wrath of God (Herzog)**\r\nDeliverance (Boorman)*\r\nCabaret (Fosse)\r\nThe Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie (Bunuel)\r\nSleuth (Mankiewicz)\r\n\r\n1973 Spirit of the Beehive (Erice)**\r\nThe Mother and the Whore (Eustache)*\r\nThe Wicker Man (Hardy)\r\nBadlands (Malick)\r\nThe Day of the Jackal (Zinnemann)\r\nPaper Moon (Bogdanovich)\r\nDon\'t Look Now (Roeg)\r\n\r\n1974 Mirror (Tarkovsky)***\r\nCeline and Julie go Boating (Rivette)***\r\nAlice in the Cities (Wenders)***\r\nThe Godfather 2 (Coppola)*\r\nChinatown (Polanski)*\r\nThe Phantom of Liberty (Bunuel)\r\n\r\n1975 Barry Lyndon (Kubrick)*\r\nPicnic at Hanging Rock (Weir)\r\nCria Cuervos (Saura)\r\nThe Enigma of Kaspar Hauser (Herzog)\r\n\r\n1976 Kings of the Road (Wenders)**\r\nThe Outlaw Josey Wales (Eastwood)*\r\nAi no Corrida (Oshima)*\r\n1900 (Bertolucci)\r\nThe Ascent (Shepitko)\r\nThe Innocent (Visconti)\r\n\r\n1977 Suspiria (Argento)*\r\nUnfinished Piece for Player Piano (Mikhalkov)\r\nThe Lacemaker (Goretta)\r\nThe American Friend (Wenders)\r\n\r\n1978 The Deer Hunter (Cimino)*\r\nThe Marriage of Maria Braun (Fassbinder)*\r\nTree of the Wooden Clogs (Olmi)\r\n\r\n1979 Stalker (Tarkovsky)** \r\nApocalypse Now (Coppola)**\r\nManhattan (Allen)**\r\nTale of Tales (Norstein)**\r\nThe Life of Brian (Jones)\r\nVengeance is Mine (Imamura)\r\n\r\n1980 The Shining (Kubrick)**\r\nRaging Bull (Scorsese)**\r\nThe Elephant Man (Lynch)\r\nHopscotch (Neame)\r\n\r\n1981 Night of the Shooting Stars (Taviani bros)**\r\nBody Heat (Kasdan)\r\nAn American Werewolf in London (Landis)\r\nDiva (Beineix)\r\n\r\n1982 The Draughtsman\'s Contract (Greenaway)* \r\nFanny and Alexander (Bergman)*\r\nBlade Runner (Scott)*\r\nVeronika Voss (Fassbinder)\r\nSophie\'s Choice (Pakula)\r\n\r\n1983 Once upon a Time in America (Leone)**\r\nNostalghia (Tarkovsky)*\r\nSans Soleil (Marker)\r\nLocal Hero (Forsyth)\r\nOne Deadly Summer (Becker)\r\nThe Right Stuff (Kaufman)\r\n\r\n1984 Paris, Texas (Wenders)***\r\nBroadway Danny Rose (Allen)\r\nSunday in the Country (Tavernier)\r\nCompany of Wolves (Jordan)\r\n\r\n1985 Brazil (Gilliam)**\r\nThe Time to Live and the Time to Die (Hou)*\r\nCome and See (Klimov)*\r\nWitness (Weir)\r\nA Room with a View (Ivory)\r\nWhat Have I Done to Deserve This? (Almodovar)\r\n\r\n1986 The Green Ray (Rohmer)***\r\nStreet of Crocodiles (Quay bros)**\r\nBlue Velvet (Lynch)**\r\nThe Sacrifice (Tarkovsky)*\r\nBashu the Little Stranger (Beiza\'i)\r\nHannah and her Sisters (Allen)\r\nJean de Florette/ Manon des Sources (Berri)\r\nA Summer\'s Tale (Rohmer)\r\n\r\n1987 My Girlfriend\'s Boyfriend (Rohmer)**\r\nRed Sorghum (Zhang Yimou)**\r\nThe Untouchables (De Palma)*\r\nYeelen (Cisse)*\r\nAu Revoir les Enfants (Malle)\r\nWings of Desire (Wenders)\r\nHope and Glory (Boorman)\r\nPelle the Conqueror (August)\r\nThe Dead (Huston)\r\nGood Morning, Babylon (Taviani bros)\r\nThe Princess Bride (R.Reiner)\r\n\r\n1988 Dekalog (Kieslowski)*\r\nLandscape in the Mist (Angelopoulos)*\r\nMy Neighbour Totoro (Miyazaki)*\r\nA Fish Called Wanda (Crichton)\r\nWhy did Bodhi-Dharma Leave for the East? (Bae \r\nYong-Kyun)\r\nBig (P.Marshall)\r\n\r\n1989 Close Up (Kiarostami)*\r\nCity of Sadness (Hou)\r\nThe Cook, the Thief, his Wife and her Lover \r\n(Greenaway)\r\nCrimes and Misdemeanours (Allen)\r\nFreeze, Die, Come to Life (Kanevsky)\r\nKiki\'s Delivery Service (Miyazaki)\r\n\r\n1990 The Sheltering Sky (Bertolucci)*\r\nMiller\'s Crossing (Coen)*\r\nEdward Scizzorhands (Burton)*\r\nThe Civil War (Burns)*\r\nGoodfellas (Scorsese)\r\nFlirting (Duigan)\r\nThe Grifters (Frears)\r\nNight Sun (Taviani bros)\r\n\r\n1991 The Double Life of Veronique (Kieslowski)**\r\nRaise the Red Lantern (Zhang Yimou)*\r\nThe Silence of the Lambs (Demme)*\r\nLa Belle Noiseuse (Rivette)*\r\nJ.F.K (Stone)\r\nThelma and Louise (Scott)\r\nLa Frontera (Larrain)\r\n\r\n1992 And Life Goes On (Kiarostami)\r\nHoward\'s End (Ivory)\r\nBelle Epoque (Trueba)\r\n\r\n1993 Abraham Valley (Oliveira)**\r\nThe Age of Innocence (Scorsese)**\r\nGroundhog Day (Ramis)**\r\nThree Colours Blue (Kieslowski)*\r\nSchindler\'s List (Spielberg)*\r\nThe Wrong Trousers (Park)*\r\nShort Cuts (Altman)\r\nDarkness in Tallinn (Jarvilaturi)\r\nThe Piano (Campion)\r\nThe Nightmare before Xmas (Selick)\r\n\r\n1994 Chungking Express (Wong Kar-Wai)*\r\nBurnt by the Sun (Mikhalkov)*\r\nSilences of the Palace (Tlatli)*\r\nTo Live (Zhang Yimou)\r\nPulp Fiction (Tarantino)\r\nAmateur (Hartley)\r\nEd Wood (Burton)\r\n\r\n1995 Maborosi (Kore-eda)***\r\nUlysses\' Gaze (Angelopoulos)**\r\nThe White Balloon (Panahi)*\r\nCyclo (Tran Anh-Hung)\r\nGood Men, Good Women (Hou)\r\nDead Man (Jarmusch)\r\nToy Story (Lasseter)\r\nHeavenly Creatures (Jackson)\r\n\r\n1996 Gabbeh (M.Makhmalbaf)*\r\nTierra (Medem)\r\nIrma Vep (Assayas)\r\nChacun Cherche son Chat (Klapisch)\r\nThe English Patient (Minghella)\r\nL\'Appartement (Mimouni)\r\nDrifting Clouds (Kaurismaki)\r\n\r\n1997 The Eel (Imamura)\r\nHana-Bi (Kitano)\r\nMother and Son (Sokurov)\r\nThe Taste of Cherry (Kiarostami)\r\n\r\n1998 Eternity and a Day (Angelopoulos)**\r\nLovers of the Arctic Circle (Medem)\r\nShow me Love (Moodysson)\r\nAfter the Rain (Koizumi)\r\nCentral Station (Salles)\r\nAn Autumn Tale (Rohmer)\r\nThe Apple (S.Makhmalbaf)\r\nSecret Defense (Rivette)\r\nFesten (Vinterberg)\r\n\r\n1999 Rosetta (Dardenne bros)**\r\nEyes Wide Shut (Kubrick)\r\nTopsy Turvy (Leigh)\r\nThe Iron Giant (Bird)\r\nAll about my Mother (Almodovar)\r\n\r\n2000 Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Ang Lee)**\r\nWerckmeister Harmonies (Tarr)*\r\nEureka (Aoyama)*\r\nAt the Height of Summer (Tran Anh- Hung)*\r\nIn the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-Wai)*\r\nSuzhou River (Lou Ye)\r\nChunhyang (Im)\r\nIsle (Kim Ki-Duk)\r\nThe Day I Became a Woman (Meshkini)\r\nPlatform (Jia Zhangke)\r\n\r\n2001 Mulholland Dr (Lynch)**\r\nWhat Time is it There? (Tsai)*\r\nMonday Morning (Iosseliani)*\r\nGerry (Van Sant)\r\nY Tu Mama Tambien (Cuaron)\r\nThe Piano Teacher (Haneke)\r\n\r\n2002 Far from Heaven (Haynes)*\r\nFinding Nemo (Stanton)*\r\nTalk to Her (Almodovar)*\r\nFemme Fatale (De Palma)\r\nLe Chignon d\'Olga (Bonnell)\r\nUzak (Ceylan)\r\nInsomnia (Nolan)\r\nWaiting for Happiness (Sissako)\r\nRussian Ark (Sokurov)\r\nJapon (Reygadas)\r\nSnake of June (Tsukamoto)\r\n\r\n2003 Dogville (Von Trier)**\r\nThe Return (Zvyagintsev)**\r\nOldboy (Park Chan-Wook)*\r\nBig Fish (Burton)\r\nTwilight Samurai (Yamada)\r\n\r\n2004 Innocence (Hadzilalivoc)**\r\nHowl\'s Moving Castle (Miyazaki)**\r\nBefore Sunset (Linklater)**\r\nThe Life Aquatic (W.Anderson)*\r\nThe Weeping Meadow (Angelopoulos)*\r\n2046 (Wong Kar-Wai)* \r\nThe Incredibles (Bird)*\r\nHouse of the Flying Daggers (Zhang Yimou)\r\nStory of the Weeping Camel (Daava, Falorni)\r\nA Very Long Engagement (Jeunet)\r\n\r\n2005 The Wayward Cloud (Tsai Ming-Liang)* \r\nSin City (Miller, Rodriguez)\r\n\r\nDon\'t read anything into 2005 shortage, cos i\'ve simply not seen most of the main contenders.','7ceb8af44c0fe0eb6f18a422d41b58d6',0,'','lo6cW3UJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7903,1565,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137697440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: My (ever evolving) top 500','John, I haven\'t seen many many films on your list. I\'m going to make this my reference list and seek them out. And, bravo! for having a list like this! \r\n\r\nM','9ee38a2e3f60de743d4f16f2d8b0e757',0,'','6Dkg3zjE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7904,1565,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137710160,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: My (ever evolving) top 500','So you think it\'s worth congratulation? On 2 other sites when i tried a similar list i immediately had some very insulting personal comments, but then this IS a grand site, able to forgive listaholic foibles.','31a28f0d112e9cbfe20d636fab9b65ed',0,'','Y978LClb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7905,1565,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137733380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Unregistered(d)','Re: My (ever evolving) top 500','Great list. That\'s pretty ingenious doing it by year--you avoid a lot of major thematic headaches.','253ba8d384bb1feb9d3e41db92163929',0,'','qR98J7N5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7906,1565,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137761940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: My (ever evolving) top 500','One very interesting list is of 1000 films (also chronologically) by Jonathan Rosenbaum in his book Essential Cinema. I\'m finding 500 can\'t contain what i want to include, but i don\'t have his viewing experience for a full 1000 of the quality i\'d like. Tempting to extend this list, though.','f343a586ecac734954dd6565f37d8b79',0,'','3iHuZPVA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7907,1565,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137789840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: My (ever evolving) top 500','My only complaint (which I have the power to correct) is that it isn\'t in the Best/Worst List section. I\'m tempted to go for a similar list, but come on why isn\'t Intolerance on your list? Other than that well personal choices are personal, but come on, even Pauline Kael thinks it\'s the greatest movie of all time.','5798478eff22c4b3be368b9fa5cc208d',0,'','lNriJZgB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7908,1565,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137795120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: My (ever evolving) top 500','Very good list John. I think I\'ve already seen most of it on your 1000 list on listology, though \r\nI\'ve only seen 207 of the 500, so still lots to come \r\nBut 107 films from it would be on my own Top 500, so we have very similar taste. \r\nDon\'t worry wpqx \"Intolerance\" would definitely be included in my Top 500. But some others like L\'atalante, Battleship potemkin, Earth, etc. wouldn\'t, so maybe more complaints would come','ea1a682dfc6c27afa33c40d6562b7c0e',0,'','RMNu64gK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7909,1565,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137795420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: My (ever evolving) top 500','I\'ve been meaning to watch L\'atalante again. I hated it the first time I saw it, but have faith that a second viewing might do the trick for me. I might be able to string something like this together before too long.','3d9a98237d18399ce58be8b40368ee1b',0,'','4xSKDV3d',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7910,1565,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137795720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: My (ever evolving) top 500','I liked L\'atalante, but it was no masterpiece for me. Closer to a masterpiece would imo be \"Zero for Conduct\", though I\'m not sure if it will make my Top 500.\r\nI\'ll also try to make a similar list in the coming months.','7b984b942ec821222a9b5a826b1643ee',0,'','qphC7GDU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7911,1565,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137815220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: My (ever evolving) top 500','I\'ve been working on a slightly extended list, towards an eventual 1000 (don\'t worry, i\'m not going to foist 1000 on you all here!), and Intolerance is easily in it- i was very tempted to pick it in the 500, and on second thoughts i will after all. Oh those Babylonian sets! Quite a few expendable ones it can replace. Anyway, i know it\'s a great film- undoubtedly- but this is about personal favourites. Some other notable absentees too.','b19c8c8aff0a52387635bf1483de933b',0,'','JTGUyKQw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7912,1566,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1119017820,1,0,1,1,1,1,'chard09','BEST of ASIA','A response to our comrade here who asked who are the best filmmakers in ASIA:\r\n\r\nNow, it\'s Asia. Anyway, here\'s mine. Some of my picks may not be the best but their works are worth watching in my opinion. Some here I just read from books and Internet which I find to be very interesting to check out.\r\n\r\nZhang Yimou -- with works like Red Sorghum and Raise the Red Lantern, he gained worldwide attention. Filled with lyrical beauty, great use of colors and women oppression on some films as theme. Also, To Live is a must-see. It\'ll change your outlook of Chinese cinema.\r\n\r\nHou Hsiao-Hsien -- somebody in the poll mentioned that one of his major themes is identity. City of Sadness is a wow-- great narrative and visuals. \r\n\r\nTsai Ming-Liang -- don\'t be intimidated to watch his films although it may be hard to watch a \'silent\' film. His strong use of visuals, wit and humor, and being compared to Bresson and Ozu, he won\'t let you get bored.\r\n\r\nWong Kar-Wai -- a personal favorite. His themes of love, \'lost people,\' and struggling lovers, he is a master of emotions. His films move me not because of its story, but how he values emotions, how it can move you. Their too affecting that it leaves you nostalgic for a few days.\r\n\r\nAbbas Kiarostami -- a major filmmaker. Great visual style. A long and winding road. Never thought off-screen space could be very interesting. Likewise, the blurring of boundaries between fiction and reality.\r\n\r\nKorean directors - Kim Ki Duk and Chang-Dong Lee\r\n\r\nJapanese directors -- The Big Three + Kitano, Kore-eda, Aoyama\r\n\r\nMohsen and Samira Makhmalbaf\r\n\r\nTranh Ann Hung\'s three films: Cyclo, Scent of Green Papaya and At the Height of Summer\r\n\r\nJafar Panahi-- The Circle- a powerful accounts of women in Iran: The White Balloon- strong political statement\r\n\r\nSatyajit Ray and Ritwik Ghatak\r\n\r\nLino Brocka\'s political ideologies, his fight for the poor and the need for a government that serves the masses. Maynila: Sa Mga kuko ng Liwanag, Orapronobis, Bayan Ko, Insiang..\r\n\r\nIshmael Bernal\'s theme of relationships-- Relasyon, Broken Marriage.. and the exceptional Manila By Night -- the Manila we\'re afraid to see.\r\n\r\nMike de Leon -- great technical expertise; Kisapmata-superbly powerful political statement with a family as the metaphor; he\'s very good on almost all genres: comedy- Kakabakaba ka ba? (Are you nervous), love story- Kumng mangarap ka\'t magising; even about brotherhood and youth-- Batch 81','39cad97f8e00fb3247783bc6d55443c2',0,'','vNFqRTtm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7913,1566,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1119065940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arsaib4','Re: BEST of ASIA','I think you\'ve covered just about everyone who\'s deemed \"important.\" Here are a couple more for now.\r\n\r\nTaiwanese filmmaker Edward Yang (A Brighter Summer Day) doesn\'t get as much print due to 2 obvious reasons (Hou and Tsai).\r\n\r\nApichatpong Weerasethakul (Mysterious Objects At Noon/Blissfully Yours/Tropical Malady) and Pen-ek-Ratanaruang (6ixtynin9/Last Life in the Universe) have made some wonderful films out of Thailand.','3e8051fadc8d615fab3264179db5ddaf',0,'','0oVc9HPD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7914,1566,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1119195600,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: BEST of ASIA','Don\'t know what to add. \r\nYou\'ve named all I know and admire, and also the ones I haven\'t seen yet.','15d87b5dd51eda32716a7b07d8925c48',0,'','jduzLr6x',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7915,1566,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1137073200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhuban','Re: BEST of ASIA','some additions from India though they are damn difficult to find...perhaps the festival circuit might showcase some of them: \r\n\r\nAdoor Gopalakrishnan (especially, \"Face to Face\", \"Monologue\" and \"Rat Trap\")\r\nG. Aravindan (look out for \"The Bogeyman\")\r\nMani Kaul (\"Our Daily Bread\", \"One Monsoon Day\", \"Dhrupad\", \"Siddheshwari\" and \"The Servant\'s Shirt\")\r\nGovind Nihalani (\"Cry of the Wounded\", \"Half-Truth\", \"Party\", \"Rukmavati Ki Haveli\" based on Lorca\'s play \"The House of Barnarda Alba)\r\nShyam Benegal (his trilogy - \"The Seedling\", \"Night\'s End\" and \"The Churning\";\"The Role\"; \"Past, Present, Future\"; \"Seventh Horse of the Sun\")\r\n\r\nM','1a690e2fcd6f25d9531b3ff189c893ae',0,'','2AFPivEn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7916,1567,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135756860,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hengcs','100 Greatest Family Films (by Channel 4, UK)','\r\nOfficial website with list and reviews \r\nSee \r\nwww.channel4.com/film/new...s/5-1.html\r\n\r\n(23 December 2005)\r\n\r\n1. ET: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982)\r\n2. Shrek (2001)\r\n3. Mary Poppins (1964)\r\n4. Pirates of the Caribbean (2003)\r\n5. Toy Story (1995)\r\n6. The Lion King (1994)\r\n7. Back to the Future (1985)\r\n8. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971)\r\n9. Star Wars (1977)\r\n10. The Wizard of Oz (1939)','aeb03390102fab059a5a441f37d1c1ab',0,'','TqJhPYml',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7917,1567,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135896720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: 100 Greatest Family Films (by Channel 4, UK)','Looking at the top ten, all I can say is popular opinion sucks.','212ac0c40b51fdba6d1b534ac320b2de',0,'','0pFTHdGS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7918,1567,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1206569700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: 100 Greatest Family Films (by Channel 4, UK)','It usually sucks , but the Top Ten films are great Family Films. As hard as it is to define such a term, I think I would love to watch this film with my kids (if I had some), and my parents, etc. Lots of fun for youn and old. That\'s what I\'d call a \"good\" film for the family. Of course the choices are very obvious.','957a9e9994fd9c85a0005a082ec360e7',0,'','nG6r24Aw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7919,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1126473540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','I\'ll start, though my list may be revised as I think.\r\n\r\nAnyway, here goes so far in no real order:\r\n\r\nNosferatu - Murnau,1922 - silent\r\nM - Lang, 1931 \r\nBlack Sabbath - Mario Bava, 1964\r\nLes Diaboliques - Clouzot, 1955\r\nAudition - Miike, 2000\r\nThe Cabinet of Dr. Caligari - Wiene, 1919 - silent\r\nEyes Without a Face - Franju, 1960\r\nFaust - Murnau, 1926 - silent\r\nSpoorloos- Shuizer, 1988\r\n\r\nAnd one I have not seen, but really want to (though there are no DVD/VHS ways to see it)\r\nThe Phantom Chariot - Sjostrom, 1921 - silent - Sweden (that one would satisfy my craving to see scary chariot rides, I think)\r\n\r\nWhat are your top ten?\r\n\r\nSara','d196000e7db96979bee9e8668c9fdcc0',0,'','MPZrgtc0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7920,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1126474800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','I see this list being somewhat impossible. Hard to consider M a horror film, but I\'ll give this a shot. \r\n\r\nIn the Empire of Passion (1980) - Nagisa Oshima\r\nKwaidan (1964) - Masaki Kobayashi\r\nVampyr (1931) - Carl Theodor Dreyer\r\nNosferatu (1922) - F. W. Murnau\r\nFaust (1926) - F. W. Murnau\r\nBay of Blood (1971) - Mario Bava\r\nHorror Rises From the Tomb (1972) - Carlos Aured\r\nEyes Without a Face (1960) - Georges Franju\r\nHaxaan (1922) - Benjamin Christensen\r\nThe Vanishing (198 - George Sluizer\r\n\r\nJust noticed foreign horror films kinda suck','b0a784d3361006b2d01ca8afff1d9fce',0,'','j0GkA8Uo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7921,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1126475340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','\"just noticed horror films kind of suck\"\r\n\r\nOK. But please tell us why you think so.\r\n\r\n(By the way, I agree with you about Kwaidan and wish I had put it on my list. )\r\n\r\nSara','ec6ca1f7f2de45f582c2199324cd0bb2',0,'','UAwe9MNk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7922,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1126478340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','There are a few listed that I wouldn\'t have thought of as horror films but I suppose it\'s down to what you perceive as horror. I prefer to categorise it with the fantasy element as opposed to say, serial killers etc and sometimes with a touch of humour.\r\n\r\nAnyway I\'ll knock up a list when I can get on the PC.\r\n\r\nI have to agree with wpqx, there aren\'t many decent horror films and the majority suck, mind you I\'ve just forced myself to watch the pretty naff Hiruko the Goblin.\r\n\r\nOkay, finally on the PC, here\'s my rough draft top 10:\r\n\r\nAudition (1999) - Takashi Miike\r\nFaust (1926) - F. W. Murnau\r\nKuroneko (196 - Kaneto Shind\r\nKwaidan (1964) - Masaki Kobayashi\r\nNosferatu (1922) F W Murnau\r\nOnibaba (1964) - Kaneto Shind\r\nRepulsion (1965) - Roman Polanski\r\nShaun of the Dead (2004)- Edgar Wright\r\nThe Devil\'s Backbone (2001) - Guillermo del Toro\r\nThe Eye (2002) - Pang Brothers\r\n\r\nThat was a lot harder than I expected, I didn\'t want to smother it in Asian films. With Europe it\'s one area where apart from a lot of really trashy 60/70\'s films, there\'s not a great amount to pick from, same with Latin America.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','4faaadd5adf4a00dfa79aef3c993ed15',0,'','k0zbJhP6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7923,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1126543800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mcdan','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','This was a good question and made me realize how few foreign horror films I have seen. My list is short.\r\n\r\nNosferatu - 1922/Murnau\r\nNosferatu- 1979/Herzog\r\nLes Diaboliques- 1955/Clouzot\r\n\r\nEyes Without a Face - 1960/Franju\r\nPeeping Tom - 1960/Boehm\r\n\r\nPhone- 2004/Byeong-ki Ahn (and all those similar films)\r\nA Tale of Two Sisters- 2004/Ji-woon Kim\r\n\r\nThanks to your lists I have added \"Kwaidan\", \"Onibaba\", \"Audition\" and \"Bay of Blood\" to my list to start.\r\n\r\nHas anyone seen \"Blade of the Ripper.\" (1971/ Martino) ? I have heard it was good but cannot find it to rent yet. \r\n\r\n\"Susperia\" sounds intriging. (1977/Argento) but some I know say not to bother.','29c01581e6c5b188d1fd84b17ca62731',0,'','nCtZTLzb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7924,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1126609800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','Hi mcdan, I\'ve never really got into Argento\'s films but one of the reasons is that I don\'t like watching dubbed movies and most appear to be slashers which I have never found appealing. \r\n\r\nMy list was in alphabetical order, if I had attempted to make it numerical then Onibaba would have been close to, if not at the top. I remember how much it changed my perspective on what a horror film could be, outstanding.\r\n\r\nIt\'s very difficult to pick anything Asian from the last few years simply because if it\'s even slightly successful you get dozens of clones coming out. What did you enjoy about Phone? I\'m only asking because for me the film contained one outstanding performance.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','99e51a2b41078fbd0def16e1bdac39b2',0,'','USTFxN1j',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7925,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1126655580,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mcdan','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','Hi Trevor,\r\n\r\nI picked Phone for one simple reason - the little girl (I don\'t know her name, sorry) - her performance just stayed with me. I\'m not sure as a parent I could let a child take on that role but that is not for me to judge - maybe it adds to the horror. It is not a great film but her role was something else. \r\n\r\nPlus there was the typical use of the elevators - such as in \"Dark Water\" where the actual \"best actors\" are the elevator and the apartment complex.\r\n\r\nI agree that so many of these Asian horror films are just clone after clone that I have trouble even remembering definative ones. (I didn\'t like \"Ju-on.\") \r\n\r\nI think I will postpone Argento\'s films and go with \"Onibaba\" and the others. \"Kwaidan\" arrives in the mail tomorrow. \r\n\r\nThanks,\r\n\r\nMcdan','a363e7811cd43b67eb650fe13fbf5200',0,'','HWzfl1dT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7926,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1126656540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','Agreed on Phone, the little girl made the film, the good thing is she features a lot in the UK DVD extras and it\'s very obvious that she enjoyed making the film and nothing seems to have caused her any distress. It\'s also astounding that all the facial expressions were made by her without need for special effects.\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','b26006e85b6c3d5caf97036e34240aca',0,'','APTu8LZw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7927,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1127979540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','I just noticed, that I`ve seen way too few Horror films, and most were bad. \r\nAlso, it`s very hard to categorize for me which film is \"Horror\", and which not...\r\n\r\nThe only ones I can recommend are:\r\n\r\n1. Possession (West Germany, France / 1981 / Andrzej Zulawski)\r\n2. The Shining (UK / 1980 / Stanley Kubrick)\r\n3. Kuroneko (Japan / 1968 / Kaneto Shindo)\r\n4. Dracula (UK / 1958 / Terence Fisher)','71ac89f6a627f85287c285621815f2ca',0,'','smoaUQu8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7928,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135475100,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Johndav','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','This is one genre Britain\'s been quite strong in;\r\n\r\nThe Shining\r\nThe Innocents\r\nDon\'t Look Now\r\nThe Wicker Man\r\n\r\nbut taking just films not in English as \"foreign\";\r\n\r\nNosferatu (Murnau)\r\nKwaidan - 4 ghost stories, more eerie, beautiful than horror, Snow Woman and Hoichi the Earless the standouts.\r\nSuspiria\r\nOnibaba\r\nVampyr (Dreyer)\r\n\r\nbtw, i\'m a fan of Isabelle Adjani, but Possession was one i didn\'t like at all!','cebbe5bf399659df3be9bf600ffa64c6',0,'','0Ffe35wB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7929,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1135483620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','The Innocents, is that the film that was based on Henry James\'s Turn of the Screw?\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','91545286c48c1d41ac99271af366ab1f',0,'','K7HJwDV4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7930,1568,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1206569220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top Ten Foreign Horror Films','Some time has passed, and I\'ll try again. Not a definite version, but that\'s what I could think of at the moment. What is \"Horror\" and what not? Difficult to determine... \r\n\r\n1. Possession (West Germany, France / 1981 / Andrzej Zulawski) \r\n2. The Shining (UK / 1980 / Stanley Kubrick) \r\n3. Vampyr (Germany, et al / 1931 / Carl Theodor Dreyer) \r\n4. The Innocents (UK / 1961 / Jack Clayton) \r\n5. Suspiria (Itlay / 1977 / Dario Argento) \r\n6. Kwaidan (Japan / 1964 / Masaki Kobayashi) \r\n7. Inferno (Italy / 1979 / Dario Argento) \r\n8. Peeping Tom (UK / 1960 / Michael Powell) \r\n9. Kuroneko (Japan / 1968 / Kaneto Shindo) \r\n10.Dracula (UK / 1958 / Terence Fisher) \r\n\r\nI think foreign Horror Films are great. I need to see more, especially European ones from the 60s and 70s.','b0148a8ab218854ddf79555cd51c18dc',0,'','oakq9Afw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7931,1569,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1120482300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Top 10 foreign film theatrical releases - first half of 2005','In date order.\r\n\r\nReconstruction - Christoffer Boe 2003\r\n\r\nVodka Lemon - Hiner Saleem 2003\r\n\r\nGood Morning Night, Buongiorno, notte - Marco Bellocchio 2003\r\n\r\nTurtles Can Fly, Lakposhtha hm parvaz mikonand - Bahman Ghobadi 2004\r\n\r\nThe Holy Girl, La Nia santa - Lucrecia Martel 2004\r\n\r\nKoktabel - Boris Khlebnikov, Aleksei Popogrebsky 2003\r\n\r\nDon\'t Move, Non ti muovere - Sergio Castellitto 2004\r\n\r\nHead On, Gegen die Wand - Fatih Akin 2004\r\n\r\nMaria Full of Grace - not a true foreign film but it\'ll have to do. Joshua Marston 2004\r\n\r\nUntold Scandal, Joseon namnyeo sangyeoljisa - Je-yong Lee 2003\r\n\r\nSo far some good films but not as much choice as the same period of 2004, I haven\'t had the opportunity to see any films in the cinema during June because of my foot. I have high hopes for the second half of 2005 but not from any of our multiplex\'s.\r\n\r\nWhat are your choices?\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','6be500941115b42e7c6707ab1be10455',0,'','zYXBVgdu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7932,1569,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1120701300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Top 10 foreign film theatrical releases - first half of 2005','All new releases I\'ve seen this year in order of preference. The bold ones are favorites.\r\n\r\n1. The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou (USA / Wes Anderson) ***1/2 / ****\r\n2. Nobody Knows (Japan / Hirokazu Koreeda) ***1/2 / ****\r\n3. Tony Takitani (Japan / Jun Ichikawa) ***1/2 / ****\r\n4. Lesquive (France / Abdellatif Kechiche) ***3/4 / ****\r\n5. House of flying daggers (China, Hong Kong / Yimou Zhang) ***3/4 / ****\r\n6. The Aviator (USA / Martin Scorsese) ***1/2 / ****\r\n7. Uzak (Turkey / Nuri Bilge Ceylan) ***1/4 / ****\r\n8. Nicht ohne Risiko ( Germany / Harun Farocki) ***1/4 / ****\r\n9. Agnes und seine Brder (Germany / Oskar Roehler) *** / ****\r\n10. Finding Neverland (USA, UK / Marc Forster) *** / ****\r\n11. Turtles can fly (Iran, France, Iraq / Bahman Ghobadi) *** / ****\r\n12. Maria Full of Grace (USA, Colombia / Joshua Marston) **3/4 / ****\r\n13. Closer (USA / Mike Nichols) **1/2 / ****\r\n14. Udalionnyy dostup (Russia / Svetlana Proskurina) **1/2 / ****\r\n15. The Syrian Bride (Israel, France, Germany / Eran Riklis) **1/4 / ****\r\n16. Barefoot (Germany / Til Schweiger) **1/4 / **** \r\n17. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (USA / George Lucas) ** / ****\r\n18. Melinda and Melinda (USA / Woody Allen) ** / ****\r\n19. Immortal (France / Enki Bilal) seen last year, but probably *1/2 / ****\r\n20. AVP: Alien Vs. Predator (USA,UK, and others / Paul W.S. Anderson) *3/4 / ****\r\n21. Blade: Trinity (USA / David S. Goyer) 1/4* / ****\r\n\r\nSo far, from the few films I\'ve seen a great year. Already 5 favorites, from 16 films I intended to see (5 were \"accidental\" viewings, sometimes with a friend ), and I think it will get even better.','a776e1bb7dbf90d500ac4c67e2d22376',0,'','Mwrkdp67',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7933,1570,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1130944680,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gululv','Best American films made by Europeans','Here are my canidates:\r\nVictor Sjstrm - He Who Gets Slapped & The Wind\r\nFritz Lang - The Big Heat + Notorious + Beyond a Reasonable Doubt\r\nJohn Boorman - Point Blank\r\nWim Wenders - Paris, Texas\r\nLuis Bunuel - The Young One\r\n\r\nHmm..there must be many I forget.','24a72f062dad5a8dfd97adce26c17f33',0,'','kSA82hlH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7934,1570,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1130998680,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best American films made by Europeans','Fritz Lang made Rancho Notorious, Notorious was a Hitchcock film, which could count because Hitch was European.\r\n\r\nTo add to your list\r\n\r\nSome Like it Hot - Billy Wilder\r\nDesign for Living - Ernst Lubitsch\r\nSunrise - F W Murnau\r\nCasablanca - Michael Curtiz\r\n\r\nand many more I\'ll probably add once I remember everyone that was foreign.','b084144d696a8d3c88042bf12542db52',0,'','CKnBylf6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7935,1570,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1131091380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Best American films made by Europeans','The USA are maybe the single nation with the most artistic contributions from foreigners, as i can\'t think of any other nation that was actually built in such a large part of foreigners, being that almost all of the former \"Americans\" were extinguished through a huge genocide  . Without european directors the USA would naturally be a much poorer film country. They were the ones that maybe did the most for US films, and influenced most US directors. Alone in my Top 10 of US films, I have 5 films directed by \"foreigners\", and in my overall Top 100 I have about 30 films that were directed by europeans. With Hitchcock and Chaplin we have even two giants of american film that came from Europe.\r\n\r\n\r\nTo add to both your lists:\r\n\r\nAlfred Hitchcock: Vertigo, Notorious, The Birds, Rope.\r\nCharles Chaplin: Almost everything\r\nMark Forster: Monster\'s Ball\r\nWim Wenders: Million Dollar Hotel (Paris, Texas isn\'t an american film!)\r\nDouglas Sirk: Magnificent Obsession\r\nJames Whale: Frankenstein, The Bride of Frankenstein\r\nRoger Michell: Changing Lanes\r\nBilly Wilder: Sunset Boulevard, Five Graves to Cairo\r\nElia Kazan: East of Eden, On the Waterfront\r\nCharles Laughton: The Night of the Hunter\r\nErich von Stroheim: Greed\r\nJosef von Sternberg: Dishonored\r\nWilliam Wyler: Ben-Hur\r\nErnst Lubitsch. Design for Living\r\nStephen Daldry: The Hours\r\nAndrew Niccol: Gattaca\r\nSam Mendes: American Beauty\r\nIrving Rapper: Now, Voyager\r\nRoman Polanski: Chinatown\r\nTerry Gilliam: Twelve Monkeys, The Fisher King\r\nMike Figgis: Leaving Las Vegas\r\nMichelangelo Antonioni: Zabriskie Point\r\nMichel Gondry: Eternal Sunshine of the spotless Mind\r\nEmir Kusturica: Arizona Dream\r\n\r\nAnd Jonathan Glazer, Maya Deren, Jonas Mekas, Otto Preminger, Anthony Minghella were or are also Europeans.','91e7f8b78557bf877007737a1ff41833',0,'','ELh47GYJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7936,1570,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1131168780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best American films made by Europeans','Terry Gilliam is was and always has been American, he was the only Python member from America, just like Stewart Coppeland was the only member of the Police from America.\r\n\r\nHe was born November 22, 1940 in Minneapolis, MN.','700963d4cf0275480050c4fb1222504c',0,'','El0t9JsQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7937,1570,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1131260280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: Best American films made by Europeans','Oh thanks, didn\'t know that. I always thought the Python guys MUST all be british','94a6984506b668bd8ad48385f8aeee39',0,'','i0hU6n1v',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7938,1571,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1123958040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','I was bored, so I re-arranged the AFI\'s list','I\'ve seen all 100 films on this list (actually I had them all seen several years ago). Out of boredeom, I decided to take the same 100 films, and just change the order to better suit my tastes. This isn\'t trying to justify the list as a (this is how it should have been). I haven\'t made any substitutions, just used what was given. As you can see, the list bears a few resemblences to the actual list, but the more it progresses, the stranger my placement seems to get. If any of you can do a similar list, and feel like it, go nuts, if not just bitch about my picks and debate whether or not the AFI was better, or myself.\r\n\r\nFor reference the AFI list is posted here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI...s#The_list\r\n\r\n1. Citizen Kane (1941) \r\n2. The Godfather (1972)\r\n3. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)\r\n4. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) \r\n5. Lawrence of Arabia (1962) \r\n6. Star Wars (1977)\r\n7. Pulp Fiction (1994)\r\n8. Apocalypse Now (1979)\r\n9. Singin\' in the Rain (1952)\r\n10. Schindler\'s List (1993)\r\n11. Psycho (1960)\r\n12. The Maltese Falcon (1941)\r\n13. Annie Hall (1977)\r\n14. The Manchurian Candidate (1962)\r\n15. Dances With Wolves (1990)\r\n16. Goodfellas (1990)\r\n17. Raging Bull (1980)\r\n18. A Clockwork Orange (1971)\r\n19. Casablanca (1942)\r\n20. The Searchers (1956)\r\n21. Gone With The Wind (1939)\r\n22. Ben-Hur (1959)\r\n23. On the Waterfront (1954)\r\n24. City Lights (1931)\r\n25. Chinatown (1974)\r\n26. The Godfather Part II (1974)\r\n27. Duck Soup (1933)\r\n28. Some Like it Hot (1959)\r\n29. Taxi Driver (1976)\r\n30. The Graduate (1967)\r\n31. Platoon (1986)\r\n32. The Wild Bunch (1969)\r\n33. It Happened One Night (1934)\r\n34. The Philadelphia Story (1940)\r\n35. The Best Years of Our Lives (1946)\r\n36. Bringing Up Baby (1938) \r\n37. The Deer Hunter (1978) \r\n38. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957)\r\n39. Rocky (1976)\r\n40. Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)\r\n41. Unforgiven (1992)\r\n42. Midnight Cowboy (1969)\r\n43. Network (1976)\r\n44. Doctor Zhivago (1965)\r\n45. Patton (1970)\r\n46. A Place in the Sun (1951)\r\n47. Rebel Without a Cause (1955)\r\n48. From Here to Eternity (1953)\r\n49. The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948) \r\n50. The Gold Rush (1925)\r\n51. The Third Man (1949)\r\n52. Fantasia (1940)\r\n53. The Silence of the Lambs (1991)\r\n54. The Grapes of Wrath (1940)\r\n55. The Birth of a Nation (1915)\r\n56. Fargo (1996)\r\n57. Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942)\r\n58. Frankenstein (1931)\r\n59. Sunset Boulevard (1950)\r\n60. Dr. Strangelove (1964)\r\n61. Forrest Gump (1994)\r\n62. High Noon (1952)\r\n63. Guess Who\'s Coming to Dinner (1967)\r\n64. Bonnie and Clyde (1967)\r\n65. All About Eve (1950)\r\n66. North by Northwest (1959)\r\n67. An American in Paris (1951)\r\n68. Modern Times (1936)\r\n69. The Wizard of Oz (1939)\r\n70. Rear Window (1954)\r\n71. M*A*S*H (1970)\r\n72. The Apartment (1960)\r\n73. Jaws (1975)\r\n74. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)\r\n75. To Kill a Mockingbird (1962)\r\n76. Double Indemnity (1944)\r\n77. It\'s a Wonderful Life (1946)\r\n78. Giant(1956)\r\n79. Amadeus (1984)\r\n80. E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982)\r\n81. One Flew Over the Cuckoo\'s Nest (1975)\r\n82. Vertigo (1958) \r\n83. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)\r\n84. Tootsie (1982)\r\n85. The African Queen (1951)\r\n86. American Graffiti (1973)\r\n87. Mutiny on the Bounty (1935)\r\n88. Wuthering Heights (1939)\r\n89. Stagecoach (1939)\r\n90. King Kong (1933)\r\n91. A Streetcar Named Desire (1951)\r\n92. West Side Story (1961)\r\n93. Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)\r\n94. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)\r\n95. The Sound of Music (1965)\r\n96. My Fair Lady (1964)\r\n97. The French Connection (1971)\r\n98. Easy Rider (1969)\r\n99. Shane (1953)\r\n100. The Jazz Singer (1927)','28c966b438edc509d8b75b5d3918746c',0,'','2tMFVEm4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7939,1571,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124649300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: I was bored, so I re-arranged the AFI\'s list','Havent seen about 25 of those films, yet (and I dont plan to see them all), but I think the AFI list is more or less a representation of similar \"consensus\" lists. As an itroduction to American cinema it\'s fine indeed, but a list compiled by experts should not contain so much usual suspects. There couould have been some more surprises and unknown films. \r\nAs a comparison I recommend Jonathan Rosenbaums alternative Top 100 (I don\'t have the link right now, but it shouldn\'t be too hard to find on the internet - EDIT: here\'s the link: Alternative 100). \r\n\r\nMy own list would probably be a mix of the two, and some rather unknown or underappreciated additions. \r\n\r\nWhat if everyone makes their alternate Top 100 US Movie List? \r\nShouldn\'t be too hard, and would sure fuel some discussions, as well as revealing some unknown treasures.','29c5dc587206323b492b6716e8a16745',0,'','aRgGpoku',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7940,1571,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124655660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: I was bored, so I re-arranged the AFI\'s list','I\'m all about it, and only around 1/2 of these films would make my own list. Stupid and innacurrate as it may be, this list holds special significance to me, because it is what I used to explore film. This was my point of reference to begin my obsessive movie watching, so many of these films were my first taste of great moviemaking, as well as horribly overrated nonsense. Some films perhaps I should see again (Shane I absolutely hated and perhaps wouldn\'t if I saw it again), but well some are vampire food. I actually will try and navigate a top 100 of my own, and I do believe I\'ve seen Rosenbaum\'s list years ago. \r\n\r\ndid a quick search his list is here: \r\nhttp://www.listsofbests.com/list/111 \r\n\r\nDamn interesting actually, and certainly has a few odd ball choices (Zabriskie Point?), but check it out and between the two of them I might be able to throw my own together.','e4940eaaa017190cbcf7fefbd03aa6aa',0,'','8PCK0hWx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7941,1571,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124893440,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: I was bored, so I re-arranged the AFI\'s list','Ok, Ive started my own one. Will surely change in time, but for now this is it. I posted it under best & worst, if you dont mind.\r\n\r\nAnd by the way, the AFI list has some British flicks on it, as far as I know. For example Lawrence of Arabia, Clockwork orange, or The Third Man.','e649f7ac0c64b60e2293a4fb0956fc8a',0,'','ZBEM3e8h',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7942,1571,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124933520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: I was bored, so I re-arranged the AFI\'s list','yes but I believe they had American funding (so that\'s their classification. I included Lawrence and Clockwork (partially because they were on the AFI list)','66eaca71e02ba17b727105f14ffb8ea7',0,'','61HZ9gSd',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7943,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1201176600,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','The Best Trilogy Ever!','Ok, let\'s try this again. With 20 choices! \r\nI hope I haven\'t forgotten any important ones.','f1ad3012f3c9c832cbc46232f5328610',0,'','HUpFwnxK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7944,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121035500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','(admin: merged from another thread) \r\n\r\nThere have been quite a few trilogies down the years, a lot of the time they\'re just to repeat and rake in the cash from a films success but now and again they\'re planned as trilogies and as such can be of a high standard. \r\n\r\nAs usual either pick your fave from the choices or list your own, it would also be nice to know why it\'s your fave so feel free to write as much as you want. \r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','8e9f0698bf46b2595213d86d06fe1ea5',0,'','zuj5NAM9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7945,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121105220,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','(admin: merged from another thread) \r\nI voted for other, as it is the Back to the future trilogy, that is best imo. It wasn\'t conceived as atrilogy initially, but expanded after the success of the first, but I think it makes a perfect whole, with the second part being the best. \r\nI love those three films, because they seem as one long film to me. \r\nAs for the excuse, why I\'ve voted for a trilogy that wasn\'t planned as such, The Apu trilogy was also completed with the second film, and the third was kind of added afterwards. :)','d66d177161f7ba6908e5e2a59f92d4bc',0,'','DP8Hpt2X',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7946,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121110920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','(admin: merged from another thread) \r\nA \r\nI was expecting you to pick the Back to the Future trilogy, I even considered putting it as one of the choices just for you. \r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','05e0649a27446ab51986d4af73e1b2a5',0,'','S2JsQcdm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7947,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121127180,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','(admin: merged from another thread) \r\nNow of the choices listed the Man With No Name Trilogy is by far the best, but there\'s more not menitoned. \r\n\r\nClose among my favorites would be Andrzej Wajda\'s WWII trilogy, which was recently released complete on DVD by Criterion btw. But well you guys are missing a very, very obvious choice and that\'s the original Star Wars Trilogy. Sure it is a six part set, but A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi is cinematic perfection to me, and I\'ll always think so. I grew up with the films and you\'ll probably never hear me bash any of them. I may have numerous complaints with Phantom Menace, and there may be flaws in episodes two and three (most notably the overdone computer animation), but there\'s no topping the first three. Just wish I could see them in their original format again, tampering with classics should be illegal.','65f1f0d57361605b2781f2682fcaeda8',0,'','3MQYu0tq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7948,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121134500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trevor826','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','That\'s the problem with only 5 choices, I thought people would have complained because the Godfather trilogy was missing!\r\n\r\nCheers Trev.','bf76f3695211e5528b3d764d0a2c2c9c',0,'','DTLWEGgS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7949,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1121163420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hengcs','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','(admin: merged from another thread) \r\n\r\nHey, \r\n\r\nI have wanted to mention \r\n-- The Star Wars Trilogy \r\n-- The Godfather Trilogy \r\n-- Back to the Future Trilogy \r\n-- The Matrix Trilogy (no takers?!) \r\n\r\nBut, you people have mentioned most of them. \r\n;)\r\n\r\nAnyway, I voted for Lord of the Rings ... due to recency effect and maybe because it looks more continuous and consistent than the other three ... ha ha ha ... you know why? because they are filmed at the same time ... ha ha ha ... actually another selling point is: both critics and movie goers like it!!! \r\n\r\nAnyway, I think the votes will be primarily split between Lord of the Rings and Star Wars ... dep on whether you are a special effects person or a classic person ... ha ha ha ... \r\n\r\n-- I am less for Godfather because the 3rd was a let down ... \r\n-- I am also less for the Colours Trilogy because it is too artsy for some \r\n-- I am also less for The Matrix because 1 is excellent, but 2 is ok (dragged down by the 1st hour of the film) ... and 3 is ... (oh no, I can\'t recall clearly what happens in 3 ...) \r\n\r\nI also want to mention \r\n-- The Infernal Affairs Trilogy (though only 1 is excellent, 2 is good, 3 is really *no comments*)','5950fa631e4c34b122d95a2c5a036bf1',0,'','aNoKESQ5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7950,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124558880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'kookook','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','(admin: merged from another thread) \r\n\r\nSCREAM-TRILOGY \r\n\r\ni thought the second was really good and scary and the van scene was great yeh but i preferred the third. I love the way it all wrapped up and tied together nicely. And a nice appearance from Randy (the geek guy) telling the rules of a trilogy, which was a great idea by the director. To have all these rules come into play, and these different backstories tying up. \r\nWhat is your Aphrodisiac ??? \r\nYou never really knew what turned people on until this list.','7972fb4dc8fd2bfbfbf6aca26cfb7964',0,'','ZYGdXypl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7951,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1124610840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','(admin: merged from another thread) \r\n\r\nWow didn\'t expect Scream to get a mention here. Never actually saw the third, kind of gave up after the sequel. Horror movie sequels are extremely derivitive, and never ending. Just wait in another couple of years there\'ll be a Scream 4, it\'s just the rules of horror, have one slightly original idea and sequel the hell out of it \'til it can\'t even be marketed straight to video.','c376ad455c580135ed2a4f017e4f374e',0,'','ZgMx3Amb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7952,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1125451140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Sara','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','(admin: merged from another thread) \r\n\r\nI voted for the Apu Trilogy. \r\n\r\nThe Godfather Trilogy is weakened by Godfather 3. \r\n\r\nSara','7be2d4a40b64209eca5e2e1be9315e57',0,'','J4BFKoQE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7953,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1132548780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','(admin: merged from another thread) \r\n\r\nThe Human Condition trilogy(japan) & The Gorky trilogy(ussr) are up top with the best & the numer uno for me will always be \"The Apu Trilogy\"','b8488b69f63eb395de514b016e2823b5',0,'','tVNb8qFJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7954,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1201218480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'R6dw6C','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','Where\'s Antonioni\'s whatever-Trilogy of \"L\'Avventura\", \"La Notte\" and \"L\'Eclisse\", A? (I believe that it\'s called the \"Vitti-Trilogy\" sometimes). \r\n\r\nIf \"The Mother of Tears\" will be good enough (20- 25 Points), I\'ll chose the \"Three Mothers Trilogy\" though then only the two first films are outstanding and I haven\'t seen many of those trilogies you\'ve listed or, at least, not all three films. \r\n\r\nLeone\'s \"Dollar\"-Trilogy, Gus Van Sant\'s \"Death-Trilogy\" and, especially !!! of course !!! \"Lord of the Rings\" are strong rivals, though.','0da4c47295c55b357aea560eae8c7e39',0,'','zypm8GqN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7955,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1201218480,1,0,1,1,1,1,'R6dw6C','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','Where\'s Antonioni\'s whatever-Trilogy of \"L\'Avventura\", \"La Notte\" and \"L\'Eclisse\", A? (I believe that it\'s called the \"Vitti-Trilogy\" sometimes). \r\n\r\nIf \"The Mother of Tears\" will be good enough (20- 25 Points), I\'ll chose the \"Three Mothers Trilogy\" though then only the two first films are outstanding and I haven\'t seen many of those trilogies you\'ve listed or, at least, not all three films. \r\n\r\nLeone\'s \"Dollar\"-Trilogy, Gus Van Sant\'s \"Death-Trilogy\" and, especially !!! of course !!! \"Lord of the Rings\" are strong rivals, though.','0da4c47295c55b357aea560eae8c7e39',0,'','k8pZveJq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7956,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1201219140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','I had to go with Star Wars, can\'t help it.','05f26930289d51b92c684d6684025eba',0,'','AEMVZ9nS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7957,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1201219140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','I had to go with Star Wars, can\'t help it.','05f26930289d51b92c684d6684025eba',0,'','xzKSLabe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7958,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1201263780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','$!*@, I totally forgot about Antonioni\'s trilogy, or Van Sant. But I guess, one could say that they are not really trilogies. \r\n\r\nFortunately we still have the \"other\" option. As it is, I cannot edit the poll after it has been added. \r\n\r\nHaven\'t seen a lot of them myself (usually just one or two films). \r\n\r\n@wpqx \r\n\r\nI didn\'t vote for Back to the future, but it could be the same. I\'ll try and hold off till I see more trilogies.','468c917b812fa34f69b73c9dbdf02211',0,'','F5L4eUm6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(7959,1572,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1201263780,1,0,1,1,1,1,'A','Re: The Best Trilogy Ever!','$!*@, I totally forgot about Antonioni\'s trilogy, or Van Sant. But I guess, one could say that they are not really trilogies. \r\n\r\nFortunately we still have the \"other\" option. As it is, I cannot edit the poll after it has been added. \r\n\r\nHaven\'t seen a lot of them myself (usually just one or two films). \r\n\r\n@wpqx \r\n\r\nI didn\'t vote for Back to the future, but it could be the same. I\'ll try and hold off till I see more trilogies.','468c917b812fa34f69b73c9dbdf02211',0,'','WMmKxVY8',1,0,'',0,0,0),