(3521,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055524750,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: Most visually astounding?','One of my alltime favorites is Fellini\'s Juliet of the Spirits, with its surreal dream sequences.  And Fitzcarraldo, where Herzog risked starting a civil war when a few natives were crushed while moving a paddle boat over a mountain.   ','b241a8d48d3c35352d357f3b06d10057',0,'','ulysC4Hv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3522,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055935735,1,0,1,1,1,1,'leslie.clark','Re: Most visually astounding?','hi , new here, no one appears to have mentioned Dersu Uzula. Completely takes my breath away every time I watch it','a0f792f65fbee07f51a901938506810b',0,'','0Mx3XiKh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3523,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1056001840,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Most visually astounding?','Regarding the Conformist (great film).Check colas comments as he is right on the money,the Parajanov films are unique!','e1f894aa796c58ea82b8f0e00029d475',0,'','oZrgQ86K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3524,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058612688,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mezincescue','Re: Most visually astounding?','\"The Conformist\"/breathtaking murder scene/.\n\"Rashomon\" and /sorry, \"the Road Worriorr\"/.\nI would love to hear from above member Chelentano /by the way, it is \"C\", not \"Ch\", or at least \"Tchelentano\"-if you\nwant to keep the right sound of your chosen name:\nwhy on earth did you find \"The nostalgia\" by Tarkovsky\nso \"mesmerizing\"?At least his early films had a great cameraman. And, no - he did NOT have a \"fine arts background\", he just watched a lot of Bergman\'s movies\nand thick art albums. He is a total flake, but he knew\nwellhow to please the intellectual audience, just as Speilberg knew how to appeal to general public.\n All his films are pretentiouse, superflouse BOGUS !','c6cac09fd42fc112662873f25dc81f6f',0,'','jE0TFH3s',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3525,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058630129,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Most visually astounding?','ANDREI TARKOVSKI\nMr. Tarkovski was much influenced during his formative years by his father Arseni\'s notable poetry, which Andrei included in Mirror, Stalker, and Nostalghia. His aim was to create a poetic cinema while exploring metaphysical issues. This is accomplished through rapt observation of the present moment rather than plot-driven obsession with what comes next. I respect those who simply state they have no interest in poetry, metaphysics or philosophy, or admit they watch movies simply for diversion. Others hide their lack of interest and limitations(attention and educational  deficits, etc) behind meaningless labels like \"pretentiose\"(his spelling) and insults like \"total flake\".','be26b870c0ccccf36c61497748454648',0,'','tl5GP7J0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3526,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058703201,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: Most visually astounding?','Well, for what it\'s worth, here\'s what Bergman felt about Tarkovsky:\n\n\"When I discovered the first films of Tarkovsky, it was a miracle. I suddenly found myself before a door to which I had never had the key…a room which I had always wished to penetrate and wherein he felt perfectly at ease. Someone was able to express what I had always wished to say without knowing how. For me Tarkovsky is the greatest filmmaker\"\n- Ingmar Bergman ','2de835e3323a78262a5f80d15fe05015',0,'','hrYUsT6P',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3527,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059740293,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Most visually astounding?','visually astounding--if you mean beautiful photgrpahy, i\'d say \"hero,\" and \"Ju Dou\"  and Visconti\'s \"death in venice.\"','1fa4c247066e9080162c4878189b96d3',0,'','DzKfWEh1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3528,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059782961,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most visually astounding?','Death in Venice certainly - Pasquale de Santis should have won an Oscar for his cinematography.','1882fa2c95b57ba2bb8be48e3d3e0b49',0,'','Q08Blqaf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3529,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064039636,1,0,1,1,1,1,'darkthirty','Re: Most visually astounding?','Agree re: Tarkovsky, especially in Rublev, Mirror, Sacrifice and Stalker. Bela Tarr\'s Werckmeister Harmonies is also a visual feast (someone else mentioned Satantango by Tarr). Reggio with Glass makes eye-food too. On the other hand, Greenaway is so shallow and glib that, to me, all his films look like (and are) a series of vomit puddles.','9d2cc8823974d22eee17622352a31d78',0,'','4C8MoTaL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3530,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064735802,1,0,1,1,1,1,'immunomist','Re: Most visually astounding?','I really think that Walkabout should be in there somewhere.','13975e3e0e712f2865a0aa671b18c423',0,'','DFzP27RQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3531,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064773106,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most visually astounding?','Absolutely - Nic Roeg\'s cinematographer\'s eye has ensured his status as one of the greatest visual film directors. Don\'t Look Now, while not as arresting as Walkabout, also uses images in a striking and original manner.','016d1da6cf7f5f588d318749204c6a11',0,'','EN7BVMdh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3532,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1065851704,1,0,1,1,1,1,'texan_gal','Re: Most visually astounding?','Hero directed by Zhang Yimou. One of the most beautiful films I\'ve ever seen.','72916150d399613656fd6c973bdf1d70',0,'','srDeRTHY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3533,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066334699,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Re: Most visually astounding?','Yesterday i saw Spirited Away and Hero, both of they were visually great, i could not close my eye even a tiny moment, especially Hero presents a unique visual poetry...','e3180722794515ecef5d2957cc7e4cdf',0,'','3sYBWFhq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3534,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066353615,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Most visually astounding?','Did you watch [i]Hero[/i] at a theatre? I had to watch it on dvd because apparently the studio who bought the distribution rights has decided not to release it in the US.\nThe only film I saw all year that delighted my eyes that much is Russian Ark. I also had the opportunity to watch Polanski\'s [i]Tess[/i] again recently. What a gorgeous looking film that is.','777560bd08efadc0dbf92b3c5a81c000',0,'','yJSZuDoB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3535,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066385490,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jasjesbe','Re: Most visually astounding?','I watched [b]Ju Dou[/b] at a theatre and it was visually stunning. And the film as a whole was astonishing.\n\nI watched [b]The sheltering sky[/b] at a theatre and it was visually stunning. But it was a bore.','604ce7a094f15a9a04526180249f8425',0,'','Wfavj4lr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3536,735,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066646601,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mir','Re: Most visually astounding?','In addition to the movies already mentioned, what about Michelangelo Anonioni\'s L\'aventurra','ce39282048d151a020b117ef8413a1f6',0,'','9GzuY2y1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3537,736,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',991423106,1,0,1,1,1,1,'sfkiesling','Best films for a class on foreign cultures','I\'m teaching a Cross-Cultural Communication class and would like to use some authentic films from non-American cultures. Ideally there is a fair amount of talk in different situations. Scenes that would be especially nice are those that strike Americans as strange. Especially good would be Japanese, Latin (American), Indian, and African films. It would also be nice if the films are of decent quality too! Thanks for your help -- I see that you are an oinionated but knowledgeable bunch and look forward to your recs!','acebe652159b29a8dcaaf0c37f3b6735',0,'','J49qk3QM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3538,736,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',991453737,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nana','Re: Best films for a class on foreign cultures','i assume you have some experience with \nforeign films...or else you wouldn\'t be using\nthe form to teach it right?  \n\nanyhow...the idea of learning cultures from film\nis not utilize enough i think.\ni recommend the films of ozu though his films are\nvery subtle much like their culture.  your audience may\nnot have the attention span though(very slow).  tokyo story\nillustrates the generational conflicts which is a topic rarely brought up in contemporary american films.\n\ni also recommend the recent yi-yi by taiwanese edward yang.  modern melodrama about family life in taipei.  \n\nyou might want to show the slower paced films last cause\nmost people are programed to hollywood action types.\n\n---nana','1889894845a61426eb946555a5a49333',0,'','blj5AhEN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3539,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',991485067,1,0,1,1,1,1,'K is for Katherine','favourite film moments','For every film I love, seeing or hearing its name again always brings to mind a perfect moment or scene, and I was wondering what people’s favourite or perfect moments were from their most-loved or most memorable films..?\n\nHmmm... La Dolce Vita, beyond the now-cliched but still classic Anita Ekberg wade through the fountain, I picture the short scene where Marcello escapes the hurly burly and is served at the deserted cafe by the innocent girl. Well, that may not be a good example. The opening of Last Year at Marienbad, with the camera panning down the ornate hotel corridors accompanied by the hypnotic monologue. Apart from the obvious ones in The Seventh Seal, the gravity on the faces of the knight and his squire as the parade of peasants whipping themselves passes, again when they come across the girl being burnt at the stake. In The Thin Red Line, the grassy hills shimmering in the wind, beauty before the slaughter. Jean Reno\'s proud posture and distant look, as he says \"Bring me the Frenchman\" in The Big Blue...\n\n','f47fb4928f2050957340d12f705efb30',0,'','b7doY3iL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3540,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',991546587,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: favourite film moments','For me, the best moments in a film are those that reveal the essence of the narrative as a whole, but very succintly. L\'AVVENTURA - the deserted town (Noto?) followed by the love scene on the hilltop. MAUVAIS SANG - Lavant running in the \'Modern Love\' scene. GOOD MEN, GOOD WOMEN - The sisters arguing on the squash court and the dancing/reconciliation in the nightclub. I AM CUBA - The swish-pans on the cane-cutter. SANSHO THE BAILIFF - Sister drowning herself when brother escapes. UNE FEMME DOUCE - Husband\'s pathetic carress of Dominique Sanda\'s hair when she agrees to remain his wife. ANTONIO DAS MORTES - the feverish sword fight between Antonio and the Campaniero (sp?). But there are some films without, I think conscious, key scenes. It\'s hard to pick out one moment from an Ozu film. Or even Kiarostami. Hard for me, at least. Conversely, with Hou Hsiao-hsien I feel each and every scene is key in terms of thematic context.','cec1bc1a4e8d1c897897746b389ffceb',0,'','mgPaGZ3j',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3541,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',991546690,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: favourite film moments','I really like it when Marcello sees the young girl on the beach after the exhausting party at the end. It seems the film is almost about this young girl whom we hardly get to see (in a representative sense).','e44be3f5ac0c5feb98d7a6d90111c214',0,'','2XJ9zmkZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3542,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',991630800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nana','Re: favourite film moments','if i had to pick one...\ntoward the end of ashes of time where maggie cheung\naka the woman reveal her story on the beach scene.\nespecially the close up on her teary eyes.\n---nana\n\n\n\n','2c8475b0d5f7befa639faee62f5b7d61',0,'','RYVtHCdF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3543,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',993418792,1,0,1,1,1,1,'faceheide','Re: favourite film moments','I know it\'s not a foreign film, but my all time favorite flm moment is when Elaine screams \"Beeeeeen!\" in The Graduate. The whole scene at her wedding is my favorite scene ever. I\'m big on endings. They can make or break a movie for me. As far as favorite moments in foreign films...hmmm...I\'ll get back to you on that.','ae9ba2b801ce86fa9ba69e8be306d05e',0,'','gxRTDFEz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3544,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',993433233,1,0,1,1,1,1,'maxdname-1','Re: favourite film moments','funkyduck, \"La Dolce Vita\" IS about that innocent girl on the beach we hardly ever see! That was the embodyment of the life Marcello would have led if he had followed his original path from \"I Vitelloni.\"\n\nBest moment for me is Toto watching \"his film\" left to him by Alfredo in \"Cinema Paradiso\"\nOR\nMifune falling to his knees - weeping - during the climatic fight scene in \"Seven Samurai\"\nOR\nthe little crippled girl with the \"coke bottle\" glasses looking up at Bruno Ganz in \"Wings of Desire\"\nOR ...','4341b05a8da4d95d6c38d6b10693faea',0,'','ufkq8cNl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3545,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',993643252,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: favourite film moments','Are you assuming Marcelo is some kind of autobiographical figure such as the youth in \'I Vitelloni\' who escapes the town? Obviously, Marcello isn\'t in \'I Vitelloni\' so I was just wondering if you\'re placing this autobiographical context into \'La Dolce Vita\'. The portrayal of innocence seems pretty important to Fellini and this girl on the beach is some kind of metonym for a simpler existence than the Dionysian characters Marcello hangs out with. I think the film has a little to say about attitudes and difference and something to say about lost innocence. Is it a great film? \'La Dolce Vita\' seems to me somewhat over praised. But I\'m not all that hip to Fellini. \'Nights of Cabiria\' plucks emotively, \'The White Sheik\' is good early work (with Antonioni influence), \'Eight and a Half\' is clearly more internally revealing of Fellini. . . :)','004ff08a4ddf019c64b173f3f86ace64',0,'','69hpl8Dr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3546,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',995685392,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gary-2','Re: favourite film moments','The final scene from Nights of Cabiria. Teary-eyed Cabiria breaks down the 3rd wall and smiles into the camera. Everything will be okay...\nThe diner scene in The Bicycle Thief. The attempted bonding with his son... and his futile feeling of giving-up is incomprehensible.\nThe final scene from Cinema Paradiso... any film buffs love.\nThe train leaving sequence in The Umbrella\'s of Cherbourg.\nEva venting on Charlotte in Autumn Sonata.\nMultiple scenes in In The Mood For Love.\nEvery Eric Rohmer film. Especially the final scene in Summer ( Le Rayon Verte).\nThe newscast sequence in Not One Less.\nEvery Tarkovsky film.\nThe final scene in High and Low. The meeting of Gondo and the criminal. Fascinating.\nEvery scene in The Passion of Jeanne D\'Arc.\n\nCheers,\nGary','2b5fc4e83f199d7c0a86a66e160cfdf3',0,'','eZ5i4vya',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3547,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010088414,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: favourite film moments','i\'m surprised and delighted to see 2 of my very favourite film moments mentioned above, by Katsuben, and Gary2;Anju drowning herself in Sansho the Bailiff,(my favourite film) simultaneously incredibly beautiful and heartbreaking ;also the final scene in The Green Ray/Summer/Le Rayon Vert.i loved the film and that moment anyway,but seeing the ray itself(a very rare sunset-at-sea phenomenon)at Aruba with my wife a couple of years ago was the most romantic moment of our lives-the perfect end to our best holiday,(we didn\'t imagine it, as i know some people doubt its existence-another happy couple also saw it, an unforgettable flash of Emerald)and has made the film all the more special.\nOther favourite film moments;the long peepshow scene in Paris Texas,the beginning and end of The Searchers(though i\'m no Wayne fan),the children\'s moonlit boat trip down river in Night of the Hunter,the Stargate sequence in 2001,the coastal idyll in Pierrot le Fou, Jack Lemmon\'s exclamation,\"Sugar!\"when Monroe clambers into his bunk on that train ride made in heaven,the expression on Rosetta\'s face at the end of the Dardenne brothers\'film ...\nIsn\'t cinema wonderful!THE greatest art form when it lives up to its potential.Such moments are the reason i became a hopeless addict of World Cinema,have sat through so much mediocrity:Always Hope, if not always Expectation. ','97c50cd2649979603bae5cc8a7d98bd5',0,'','Cy6fF7VG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3548,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059745684,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: favourite film moments','the fish trying to commit suicide in Amelie.','acb3df6b66a56035a4c5b25683853c66',0,'','gQKlTWat',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3549,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059783858,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: favourite film moments','The gymnastics sequence in If....\n\nPeter Jeffrey telling Malcolm McDowell \"You have eyes like Steve McQueen\" in O Lucky Man!\n\nThe soft shoe shuffle in Way Out West.\n\nShelley Winters\' underwater corpse in Night of the Hunter.\n\nThe freeze-frame climax of Les 400 Coups.','c846798b2bbafed24317211e40e2bcfd',0,'','bUS8qtls',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3550,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060462674,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: favourite film moments','The party scene in \"Breakfast at Tiffany\'s\".','751528e7d4acbd5afed6dc31c9fe9388',0,'','Nu04rTs7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3551,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064026545,1,0,1,1,1,1,'spkrauszer','Re: favourite film moments','Anna Karina dancing around the pool table in \'my life to live\'...i always enjoyed that for some reason, maybe it\'s the only part of the film where she lets loose...','882b4ac713001a837839411daacfdc19',0,'','5T6MSmuy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3552,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064068462,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: favourite film moments','The Baroque dance sequence in Le Boucher.','26c387c4d1a96e1e0199bca2fb8e154c',0,'','nXKWk837',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3553,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064284481,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: favourite film moments','The death of \"Balthazar\",Chapter #3 \"Sayat Nova\",The dance sequence in \"French Can - Can\",the Murder in \"A Short Film About Killing\",Mr Watanabes death scene in \"Ikuru\" & Final scenes of \"Tokyo Story\" & \"Late Spring\" finally Cabiria\'s \ntears & that smile of understanding.','a38d1ca23c1bad5dc5d24a793d9e0f57',0,'','PaifJWt2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3554,737,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067869209,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mik','Re: favourite film moments','The final scene of Fellini\'s \"8 1/2\"\nFinal smile of Giulietta Masina in \"The nights of Cabiria\"\nRinging of huge bell in \"Andrei Rublev\" and many others...','f104cadd602651810e684c2c3ebef8c6',0,'','hPZGcz0E',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3555,738,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',992282683,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gemini730','Before The Rain','I recently rented Before The Rain (Macedonia 1994).BTR is one of the most devastingly, beautiful films that I have\never scene.Certain scenes from the film have haunted me for\ndays. The film is made more poignant by the fact that Rade\nSerbedzija who gives a superb, moving performance as Alek-\nasandar, is himself a refugee-Mr.Serbedzija left The Former\nYugoslavia because of death threats he received as a result\nof his outspoken opposition to the evils of nationalism and\nthe insanity of war.\n   Does anyone else also love this film and do any of you\nshare my admiration for the beauty and brilliance of Mr.\nSerbedzija`s artistry as an actor ?\n                        God Bless,\n                           Gemini730\n                            (Lorraine)','56a5f974b6ead859abab50fe96eb9656',0,'','ux0ZqUga',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3556,739,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1003455986,1,0,1,1,1,1,'chicagotag','Domestic Reviews Overseas','Does anyone know what foreign countries say about our films, such as which ones they like very much? Im interested to know which of US films got popularity and respect in foreign countries','8815194f098d665ff364870f76a188bb',0,'','MDbsQwLp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3557,739,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038549322,1,0,1,1,1,1,'H20gateburgler','Re: Domestic Reviews Overseas','I\'m not sure how they get them but in Havana, Cuba they run an American movie every Saturday night.  One person told me, \"We see more American movies than you do.\" I flipped on the TV and there was some sort of detective movie - with Spanish subtitles - starring Joe Don Baker and Kevin Bacon.  From talking to people they also seem to get a lot of movies about the Vietnam War.  One night of the week they have a show called \"Take One\" which begins with an informed critic discussing the film and is usually one that is respected around the world or has some sort of social content or something.  Saturday\'s nights movie is acknowledged to be more the shoot-em up\'s and tawdry romances.  They seem to lean towards actors and directors who are sympathetic to Cuba, I heard good opinions of Redford, Nicholson and so on.  Of course I suppose you would hear good things about these in any country.','2a33e74174e6f5438a0be47bc404847d',0,'','uXz3Pt7H',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3558,740,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1003455991,1,0,1,1,1,1,'chicagotag','Domestic Reviews Overseas','Does anyone know what foreign countries say about our films, such as which ones they like very much? Im interested to know which of US films got popularity and respect in foreign countries','8815194f098d665ff364870f76a188bb',0,'','vbrDNEkS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3559,740,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1004051736,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: Domestic Reviews Overseas','When you start making films in the us,ie films of substance and about the realities of real life that have not got space aliens and Exploding things with sirens and helicopters and so called big stars who are mostly talentless and only play themselves and not as Characters from a film,LET ME KNOW. I Have a very few films from America and until you start making films that appeal to adults and not Children then i may add to the Shawshank Redemption and Once upon a time in America.Also it would not go a miss for your country to give credit to the talents of Europe who direct most of your films and have very talented actors.When you see three chaps from America picking up the Award for Gladiator and feeling so Embaressed they had to say that this award should go to the Uk as they are responsible for 99 % of this film,then it will not change peoples views in Europe.My country the Uk has had a huge cash injection since we got our new government back in 1997,sadly it shows that the more films you make then the more shit manages to come to the Surface.American films on the whole are ok if you want to be Entertained but they would do well to take a leaf out of the book of Cinema Francais.This Country is years ahead of any country when it comes to Proffesional Film Making. ps no time for a spell check','eabd42ce589f5e7cc1d626aa827d9017',0,'','AzGVwr8a',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3560,740,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1004734921,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mfuentes','Re: Domestic Reviews Overseas','In Mexico blue velvet was voted the best foreign film of the 80s by critics.  In the 90s lone star, crimes and misdemenors, barton fink-millers croissing-fargo, magnolia, and the player got pretty good recognition.  Still the rate good to bad movies favors heavily the bad  ones.  And, we consider Spilberg very untalented.','265ac9fffbce1557b7f9964913e4ad0c',0,'','Nf0XCP9e',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3561,740,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010265460,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Domestic Reviews Overseas','Look up results of international polls,such as Sight and Sound,(each decade 1952-1992,another due this year),FIAF centenary list,etc.Many can be found on TOP 100 Movie Lists website.\nThe top American films in certain polls:\nRussia,1995;Citizen Kane,Intolerance(the only 2 in the top 10 overall).\nRomania,1995;Citizen Kane,The Gold Rush,The General,Greed,Sunrise,Casablanca(the only 5 in the top 30)\nGermany,1995;The Searchers,Taxi Driver,Vertigo,Citizen Kane,North by North West,To Be or Not to Be(all in the top 10)\nSight and Sound,1992;Citizen Kane,Vertigo,Raging Bull,The Searchers,2001:A Space Odyssey,Singin in the Rain,The Godfather/Godfather2,Modern Times,City Lights,The General,Sunrise(in the top 20 overall,adding votes of critics and directors).\nSo,quite a few older classics and silents.For a very different list,see the recent Channel 4(Britain)poll of viewers ,which gave itself the most inappropriate title,The 100 Greatest Films.This has more than enough American films included, reflecting public taste.','2e667dafcbae04fe4fca30b16c0a26fe',0,'','MrjTY94o',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3562,740,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010275443,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: Domestic Reviews Overseas','Popular taste in far from being a sign of quality-Channel 4 Yuk','c4753d2b0dfe311d7cf4815667f06878',0,'','wPf4Acab',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3563,740,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010280312,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Domestic Reviews Overseas','No,i wasn\'t pleased by the Channel 4 poll either,to put it mildly.','f0447bf4dfe6bdb779ff0245323f4a8e',0,'','yKVSTDQk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3564,741,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1004828446,1,0,1,1,1,1,'chicagotag','Ultimate #1','I see plenty of huge lists with everyone\'s varied opinions on their favorite films. Because i am new to foreign films, is there one ultimate film that everyone loves and makes the top of all lists? i dont need another list of 30, so please, just one or two titles that most people love (even if you personally didnt love it).  Most of the films i have seen are trashed by you guys(life is beautiful, il postino, etc.) so i wanted to make sure i watched one that all the big time fans liked so i can compare..thank you','06e98ab020fd73ba86e35cba33dcb157',0,'','UuVEoG6y',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3565,741,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1005332210,1,0,1,1,1,1,'shoehorn','Re: Ultimate #1','You will find that, as with domestic films, foreign films are just as subjective. If you view 10 lists, I\'m sure you will find 10 different number ones. I would suggest you consult a compilation of all time favorite lists at www.filmwritten.com. Go to the bottom of the home page and click on the link to all time best lists. While these lists include domestic films, the majority are foreign.','85de0ce8fd004770030303dad82ca933',0,'','bW1Ss0YJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3566,741,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1008034819,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: Ultimate #1','Simply-Just Type In,French Cinema is the Best in the World and leave it at that Geezer','fc766704c8b48aeb4277f2536174b743',0,'','au4hnCb8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3567,741,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1009143500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Ultimate #1','Setting aside personal taste, i\'d say Seven Samurai seems to fit what you\'re looking for; popular with the public and critics and doing very well in ForeignFilms\' poll (among others).','1cfffe69f0d7efd6856fd837eadac83a',0,'','tuFbmy12',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3568,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1006976105,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','I\'d like this list to constitute some sort of conversation piece, although I fear that my rather conservative selections will fail to elicit much chatter among the cineastes here.  Oh well, I might as well chip in my two cents anyway.  As my list will reveal, I have auteurist sympathies.  (It does make the history of cinema so much easier to digest, doesn\'t it?)\n\nLet\'s call the order very roughly preferential.  (I apologize in advance to all you Antonioni, Kiarostami, Rossellini, Oshima, and Rivette fans.  I would add something but can\'t due to lack of either acquaintance or strong preference.  I refuse to apologize to all the Fellini, Bergman, and Herzog fans out there.  Well, I sorta liked Herzog\'s Fata Morgana, but Fellini and Bergman?  Come on.)  \n\nDreyer:  Ordet / Vampyr\nLang:  M / (and from his American period:) Fury / Scarlet Street / Beyond a Reasonable Doubt\nOzu:  Tokyo Story / Late Spring\nGodard:  Vivra sa Vie / Two or Three Things I Know about her / Ici et Ailleurs\nBunuel:  Las Hurdes / Los Olividados\nMizoguchi:  Life of Oharu / Sisters of the Gion\nDavies:  Distant Voices, Still Lives / The Long Day Closes\nTarkovsky:  Stalker\nVertov:  The Man with the Movie Camera\nDudov/Brecht:  Kuhle Wampe (It\'s much better than they\'d have you believe)\nDe Sica:  Umberto D\nFeuillade:  Les Vampires\nBresson:  L\'Argent / Au Hasard Balthazar\nRenoir:  A Day in the Country\nHamer:  Kind Hearts and Coronets\nFassbinder:  Fox and His Friends / Effi Briest\nEisenstein:  Ivan the Terrible, Part I\n\nAnd if we\'re going to allow American films (let\'s call the order here non-preferential):\n\nWelles:  The Magnificent Ambersons\nLaughton:  The Night of the Hunter\nLubitsch:  The Shop around the Corner\nRomero:  Martin (No, Seriously.)\nvon Stroheim:  Greed / Queen Kelly\nMurnau:  Sunrise\nHawks:  Scarface\nPolonsky:  Force of Evil\n\nI\'m sure I\'m forgetting a bunch of good stuff.  Suggestions, anyone?\n\n\n\n\n','3ece64d04ea9482f2ca845b41d46218c',0,'','31YaCAcl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3569,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1007499134,1,0,1,1,1,1,'shoehorn','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','Good choices. However, no best list is complete for me without:\n\nThe Apu Trilogy - Satyajit Ray\nDiary of a Country Priest - Robert Bresson\nIkiru - Kurosawa\nLeolo - Jean-claude Lauzon\nLamerica, Stolen Children - Gianni Amelio\nWild Reeds - Andre Techine\nRed Balloon - Lamorisse\nQuince Tree Sun - Victor Erice\nO Lucky Man - Lindsay Anderson\nForbidden Games - Rene Clement','b7f699fbf84c476d6b2f63d7bdb098a8',0,'','X9WDpftT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3570,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010316198,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','Pleased to see Mizoguchi,Tarkovsky and Renoir.A Day in the Country is such a lovely little film.I can\'t get enthusiastic about Fassbinder,i\'m afraid,and those wouldn\'t me my Godard choices.I\'ve come to admire Ordet more, on 2nd and 3rd viewings-its qualities don\'t thrust themselves in your face,but the controlled decor and exquisite use of black and white,and various tones of grey are quite exceptional.I remember Angelopoulos,the Greek director, wondering how anything could be so perfect. I\'m delighted to see Sunrise and Night of the Hunter on your list,i suspect you have a deep knowledge and understanding of cinema,even if of course i don\'t share all your tastes. I think sharing such lists is important,to prompt people to reconsider existing judgements and try those films not already seen.I\'m not the greatest fan of my namesake,Davies,but i\'ll perhaps give him another try.Kind Hearts and Coronets is certainly one of the best British films.Are you German,or was your EineKleineFilmliste misleading?The politics of Kuhle Wampe are fine by me,but i wasn\'t exactly blown away by it.I might try it again,though.','71405047a2e4d31936e6d43abfec740d',0,'','FWTNADsB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3571,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010316661,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','I\'d like to add that i love Tokyo Story,and Man with a Movie Camera is brilliant.Also,that i agree Bergman and Fellini are overrated-Bergman\'s one great masterpiece is Persona,i\'d say.','2d0952a0b10090620ee0b404b154683e',0,'','xyUA1Yri',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3572,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010320951,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','i should also hasten to add,i have heard of Mozart!','6b751fe5cb207a51966cb8be8a7323e4',0,'','ckxFW76N',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3573,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1012948693,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mr. West','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','I\'m glad to see Fassbinder in your list.  I actually haven\'t gotten to see those two films that you mentioned.  The reviews I\'ve read of \'Effie Briest\' have all said that the film is unbearable, though.  I\'ve been thinking of buying a couple of his films from Amazon (\'Fox\' is one that has caught my attention).  Here are the ones I\'ve actually seen so far:\n\nWhy Does Herr R. Run Amok?\nThe American Soldier\nBeware of a Holy Whore\nThe Bitter Tears of P.V.K. (very good)\nMerchant of Four Seasons (my favorite)\nThe Stationmaster\'s Wife\nSatan\'s Brew (god, that was awful)\nMarriage of Maria Braun\nIn a Year of 13 Moons\nVeronika Voss (pretty awful too)\n\n','75d272550f6c4e7eb099c54f47cd5600',0,'','LgvsoU5H',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3574,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1013005421,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','i agree with \"Matron and her charges\",that The Marriage of Maria Braun is Fassbinder\'s best,though several others aren\'t to my liking.','79b2b0f682ee79bc8214e90dfd1686bc',0,'','dCHpfSQ5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3575,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1013013875,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mr. West','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','No no, I said I think \'Merchant of Four Seasons\' and \'Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant\' are his best.  \'Maria Braun\' is fairly good, but I think it\'s pretty overrated.','ef082eb1cd6437bb4750cbbf6548bdf4',0,'','FsUaxlR5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3576,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1014158253,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','Sorry,can\'t have been paying careful attention(2 films beginning with M).','7810b4db37b6f27e4980d0ffcb5ddcb1',0,'','g1DU6HNB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3577,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1028511247,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jancso','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','john, what don\'t you like about Two or Three Things I Know About Her?\n\nAnd speaking of Godard, what does everyone think of A Married Woman?','6e1e4cb1161b44bf89109a5c30833bb9',0,'','xZHdlFc9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3578,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1031816324,1,0,1,1,1,1,'simona1976','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','BUrnt by the Sun by Nikita Mikhalkov is incredible! It should be added to the list of great films made!','7d1d66d7955bfd273663f860d3045776',0,'','pKhquo7J',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3579,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032139139,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','It\'s been quite a while since I wrote this, and maybe I ought to do some revising.  \n\nSadly, I can\'t say that I\'ve seen much over the past year or so that I think deserves a spot on this list.  The only thing I can think of that comes close is Akerman\'s Jeanne Dielman, which I\'ve seen only once but found very affecting and intellectually stimulating.  (Of other films I\'ve seen in the same time period, I\'d say Ivens\'s New Earth, Fuller\'s Park Row, Tati\'s Jour de Fete, Oshima\'s The Sun\'s Burial, and Mizoguchi\'s The Crucified Lovers and Tales of the Taira Clan have been particularly impressive, although none of them were THAT impressive.)\n\nBut I do have a couple of films to add which I simply forgot the last time around, namely, Powell\'s Peeping Tom and Kubrick\'s 2001.  (I\'m a bit conflicted on the Kubrick:  for some time, it was a personal favorite of mine, but I\'ve grown to have reservations about it and haven\'t seen it in a while.  Perhaps I\'ll replace it with Barry Lyndon, another favorite of mine, when I get around to watching that again; or, maybe I\'ll finally get a chance to see 2001 on the big screen, and my current reservations will reveal themselves to be groundless.  Who knows.)   \n\nI don\'t have a lot to say concerning the films and filmmakers already on my list.  I might add Dreyer\'s Day of Wrath now, as it has grown on me over time.  And I\'ve recently acquired a copy of Feuillade\'s Fantomas, so that might be deserving of a spot up there soon enough.  \n\nOther than those rather limited matters, this list still looks all right.  ','bdc1b9793e6fdd5791dec5a533276d0b',0,'','NUtVRpWD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3580,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032139924,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','Having just perused the replies to my original message again, I realized that I forgot something:  I\'d like to amend my Fassbinder selections by replacing Effi Briest with The Merchant of the Four Seasons, which I had only recent seen when I first made this list and which has subsequently grown on me.  (By the way, Fox and His Friends is still my favorite Fassbinder.)  \n\n(Oh, and I suppose my brief comment about Kuhle Wampe being \"better than they\'d have you believe\" might have been a bit confusing.  No, I don\'t think there is some right-wing cabal out there plotting to ensure that the film doesn\'t grow in critical stature or anything like that.  I\'m not quite that paranoid about the reasons behind the lack of critical standing for some of my favorite films.  I just think the film deserves (a good deal) more critical attention than it has gotten; that\'s all.)  ','7e201b9f5cefd08301cd9d558547ea3e',0,'','2doKU4M5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3581,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032228733,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','Thanks for some interesting recommendations. Of course i agree about the 2 Mizoguchi you mentioned. Tales of the Taira Clan is greatly underrated; the colours are like jewels, the compositions masterful as ever, there\'s a lovely little romance, and the scene with the monks\' torchlit procession through the forest is (for me) like a dream or some vague childhood memory. I only wish Chikamatsu Monogatari were available on video so i could see it again at leisure.\n\nI\'ll look out for the Oshima and Ivens films. Day of Wrath has grown on me too, and good to see Barry Lyndon\'s improved reputation (it\'s in far more critics\' top 10\'s these days, i\'ve noticed). ','356a088fb1717877911abfac0bcf7852',0,'','aVE9P7yt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3582,742,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041054023,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Eine Kleine Filmliste (Just for Fun)','Your choice of Stalker from Tarkovsky intrigues me.  Personally I would have gone for Solaris, Andrei Rublev, The Mirror, Nostalghia, and Ivan\'s Childhood before that, but to each his own.  I must also add that you can lick a sack for your views on Bergman and Fellini.  Both of those men are responsible for some of the greatest films in movie history.  In direct retalliation I will counter your choices with a second opinion.\nDryer: Passion of Joan of Arc\nLang: M (Good choice)\nOzu: Tokyo Story\nGodard: The Weekend\nBunuel: The Exterminating Angel\nMizoguchi: Ugetsu\nTarkovsky: Solaris\nVertov: The Man with the Movie Camera\nDe Sica: Bicycle Thief\nBresson: A Man Escaped\nRenoir: Grand Illusion\nFassbinder: Marriage of Maria Braun\nEisenstein: Potemkin (Sorry for the boring choice)\n\nAs for your American choices. . . \n\nWelles: Citizen Kane\nLaughton: The Night of the Hunter\nLubitsch: Heaven Can Wait\nRomero: Dawn of the Dead\nvon Stroheim: Greed \nMurnau: Faust\nHawks: To Have and Have Not\nPolonsky: Force of Evil\n\nTheres a few you left out on both ends, but I won\'t be too difficult.\n\n','fb32e3bf9ce8361dd5aabe01d2fcfa6c',0,'','tJmQAjRC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3583,743,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1007187586,1,0,1,1,1,1,'apsara_imports','JUST THE BEST ONE','   For me......BARAKA\n So visual, so musical and so much to say without even any word spoken.....really cant beat it ! What can I say !','471e487111d4991dac7e1bccaf167bcb',0,'','PW4cTYym',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3584,744,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1008723489,1,0,1,1,1,1,'libertylake','Seven Beauties','Come on, no meantion of Lina Wertmuller\'s Seven Beauties on the worst or best list, something is terribly wrong here. \n\n27-B-Stroke-6','f60219abf3857619509ce685db8ec7c2',0,'','fC52BFcL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3585,744,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018597762,1,0,1,1,1,1,'m.santosus','Re: Seven Beauties','I had the same thought, how could anyone leave out Lina Wertmuller or Giancarlo Giannini from any list?','baa9f42131397e84662c8f40f261b2b1',0,'','5DQy9n64',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3586,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1009418620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'im2good4u33','These are the best movies I have seen','This is a list of really good movies that I have seen. Now these are not foreing but here\'s my list anyways:\nBattlefield Earth\nSphere\nWaterworld\nShowgirls\nFreddy Got Fingered\nJurassic Park 2 and 3\nSee Spot Run\nReady To Rumble\nAir Bud\nand the best movie on earth........ Barb Wire\nDoes anyone object to my selection?','596f7a26e7835a62032dcb795a1c8402',0,'','XzpMag2k',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3587,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1009474446,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gary-2','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','[quote]Does anyone object to my selection?[/quote]\n\nNot at all... to each, his own... your choices are unique to your own tastes, but I\'ll assume that you are joking so  ha    ha   ha','b4472103aa24baabd45122cc8ae03184',0,'','luZjCasV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3588,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1014101004,1,0,1,1,1,1,'im2good4u33','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','Ooh I need to add another movie to my list.... Snow Dogs.','679b92e6431efb60fb132b58582fef86',0,'','eTPZ4AyR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3589,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1016664415,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','The World should beware,if we have a person with choices of films like you then the world has a Lunatic on the Loose,Inform Your Local Old Bill Now (Police).But as a comedian you are 2nd to none and you are to be freed as soon as you are Captured because with Humour like this it needs to be Heard.(Big Nose)','11ff5ba89ccdac0017d2ae1c07f14a87',0,'','m19Gbgi4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3590,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1016679201,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jason-3','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','I\'d add Escape from L.A. to the list to make it complete.','032f9fe230f116145aafe1c7c6b68675',0,'','7G1JeXHu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3591,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1021323864,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Peter196783','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','YOU SHOULD HAVE ADDED: BEYOND THERAPY WITH GOLDBLUM.','34733ee3243e11025712f142340432d6',0,'','NuXW4n0k',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3592,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1023787792,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','This board needs a little sarcasm.','8b778c766696c5f148c375c5918eadb2',0,'','n6MY4diF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3593,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024190666,1,0,1,1,1,1,'chris','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','How dare any discussion of best films not include the masterpiece that is \"Corky Romano\" absolute phillistines!','767c673f395636c2e1ad790bc3fca94f',0,'','RAd1PWbj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3594,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024505025,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','How could you leave out Porky\'s?','f12b4df9ed5da379299664b833b3cf78',0,'','59pBtHDV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3595,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024523656,1,0,1,1,1,1,'garethnakov1','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','this is obviously a joke. jurassic parks 2 and 3 have been posted. how obvious can you get. where\'s the first? hmmmmm\nalso, showgirls is a damn good movie. verhoeven is the closest thing we have to a samuel fueller today. anyone who doesn\'t agree should go back and watch it. it\'s incredibly funny and vicious. keep in mind that the man who made this made starship troopers.','a1bb60f93fdbeb831e6dc733da521f10',0,'','GSxP64be',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3596,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1025337823,1,0,1,1,1,1,'rmuller_70','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','you forgot DUDE WHERE\'S MY CAR?','cdd54da1e27e0c158427e84ea1f09dc2',0,'','ZKPrFlhi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3597,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1026536627,1,0,1,1,1,1,'surak2','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','im2good4u33 thank you for making me laugh out loud','72204e2f483431ddcf80b704e859ad9f',0,'','s7fcAStw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3598,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1027309236,1,0,1,1,1,1,'siouxfire','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','You should also add Spiderman, Kevin Costner\'s Dragonfly, and Not Another Teen Movie...','3d4cd1bed8ec4647fc22509d9605cce4',0,'','kqm58sul',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3599,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1027528613,1,0,1,1,1,1,'verbal_nz','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','hey! I liked Spiderman! and I\'m no movie pleb.  But then.. it was probably more guilty pleasure than anything.  =p','664783f5588068ca2232d92380c84861',0,'','UWCtvXA0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3600,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034744338,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','-TITANIC\n-Sgt. Pepper\'s Lonely Hearts Club Band\n-Spy Hard\n-Skulls\n-Harriet the Spy\n-My Best Friend\'s Wedding\n-Ocean\'s 11 (2001)\n-Swept Away (2002)\n-3000 Miles From Graceland','cb3ac245b6aec791a4adefbb67bc7cf5',0,'','ypcHTSN8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3601,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038548962,1,0,1,1,1,1,'H20gateburgler','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','Don\'t forget - JAWS 3, JET PILOT, and just about anything with Bill Cosby - particularly THE DEVIL AND MAX DEVLIN. ','39eb2890238e66ca35a0b54f914377d2',0,'','Hd0lu3NE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3602,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1040675754,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','-Problem Child\n-Problem Child 2\n-Glitter\n-Crossroads\n-Ghost Dad\n-Cocktail','7f3afe0d9843bf804a4ef5044f9456c7',0,'','8eiG2FJs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3603,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059745226,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','hehe.  that\'s all i can say.  ','557293029e70546b01fc14272d42476e',0,'','8Hs9N0Va',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3604,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060463356,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','-From Justin to Kelly\n-Gigli','498b9a18d2290ced5fe76e664db470b5',0,'','e9uNJyqj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3605,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061304996,1,0,1,1,1,1,'butterfly_kixes','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','How about Life is beautiful, children of heaven, usual suspects, not one less, raise the red lantern, like water for chocolates, and...ummmmm...... :)','b2e67879637c2f2296d6d67e8e9fa0f5',0,'','k0H3dgoG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3606,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061344703,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','Actually this thread is supposed to be sarcastic. At least I hope it is, or this site is going downhill.','303d486cad221e43ff31fb5eb887961d',0,'','xEvuKfN4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3607,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061360540,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','hey, \'raise the red lantern\' is good.  i don\'t think there\'s any sarcasm there...','1f12529959413c57f531dd1e084b7278',0,'','DGoXvEKt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3608,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061397576,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','I\'m not arguing that Raise the Red Lantern is anything other than a good film. My point is that previous posts have included Freddy Got Fingered and Jurassic Park 3 to name but two, so I doubt the sincerity of the posts.','3132168b0eb3f8890c2b87f6e7dd2588',0,'','Wjh0Atf9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3609,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061497548,1,0,1,1,1,1,'IndianSummer','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','Battlefield Earth, Waterworld, Jurrasic Park series, Barb Wire...\'good movies\'??\n\nI really hope this is sarcastic. even if it is, the sarcasm is killing me! :)','9ad8dd21911f9427e870b3238c0408f7',0,'','s4FRmw2j',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3610,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062804856,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Pablito','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','Funniest Ever: \"Mrs. Doubtfire\" and \"There is something about Mary\".','373f2f7f6480919ccba1bbd9a2550070',0,'','M8KGb4Wg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3611,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062842508,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','Again, can\'t quite work out if this is serious or not. Personally I thought There\'s Something About Mary was one of the most dismally unfunny films I\'ve ever had the misfortune to watch, while I rather enjoyed Mrs Doubtfire despite the cloying sentimentality seemingly endemic to Robin Williams films.','22f3c3dfb3d887aa95206b3275c1ced4',0,'','goNC0tBM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3612,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1063090870,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','yeah, it was fun.','2e3aa52fa19434edc62d724b84ee8369',0,'','zfu8UMEB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3613,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1063152335,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','Anything \"Teen\",Piranha 1,-2,-3,-4,-5..;-)','8e5a1765b5d2cd43cb75feca9dd5a263',0,'','iZCpX6gl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3614,745,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066069847,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jasjesbe','Re: These are the best movies I have seen','But seriously, folks...\n\nOtto e mezzo\nLa règle du jeu\nLe thé au harem d&#8217;Arquimèdes\nWalkabout\nThe seventh seal\nManhattan\nJu Dou\nThe seven samurai\nJean de Florette / Manon des sources\nLa caza\nThe third man\nIl Gattopardo\nParis, Texas\nBefore the rain\nÀ bout de souffle\nThe servant\n\nAnyone of these films are, in my opinion, perfect.\n','f58c759de7647ad7ee65bf39adc90188',0,'','6ei7ER8d',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3615,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1009559112,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','best of 2001','anyone else but me miss the bitter nasty feuds some people used to get into on this site... well, hopefuly I\'ll spark some debate by listing my list of best for 2001:\n\n1. Mullholland Drive\n2. Time Being (Andrew Noren), Va Savoir?\n3. Three Buisnessmen\n4. Flo Rounds the Corner (Ken Jacobs), The Back Steps (Leighton Pierce), AI, Faat Kine\n5. Man Who Wasn\'t There, Micro-Garden (Brakhage)\n6. Heart of the World, In the Mood for Love, Werkmiester Harmonies, Tailor of Panama, Moulin Rouge, The Ground (Robert Beavers)\n7. Freddy Got Fingered, Eureka\n8. Ghost World, Suzhou River\n9. Under the Sand, Monkey Bone\n10. Brother, Shrek, Heist, Love\'s Refrain (Nick Dorsky)\n\nBiggest Letdown: In Praise of Love','57904adf72a8d96dc9d921a979247264',0,'','aBALMVwS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3616,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1009559258,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: best of 2001','should be noted that I have not yet seen Royal Tennebaums nor Waking Life but I get the feeling they would place somewhere on this list','d30b16877b85580db74f4b069d5c8d6b',0,'','u2rs6xoH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3617,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041056098,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: best of 2001','I assume you are joking about Freddie Got Fingered universally considered the worst film of the past decade.  In that case I should throw out your whole list, but your number one grants some forgiveness.  My own top ten would be. . . \n1. Moulin Rouge \n2. Mulholland Drive\n3. Royal Tenenbaums \n4. Vanilla Sky\n5. A Beautiful Mind\n6. Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back\n7. Amelie \n8. Lord of the Rings:  Fellowship of the Ring\n9. Shrek\n10. Amores Perros','8c52ef64a884774e6f35831134777878',0,'','VuRq5FNB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3618,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041234817,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ygie','Re: best of 2001','Y Tu Mama Tambien.\nMulholland Drive.\nThe Piano Teacher.\nMonsoon Wedding.\nSon Of The Bride.\nI believe \"Amores Perros\" and \"In the Mood for Love\" are from \'2000. ','281b46724635712cd3afc74cbcfc51b4',0,'','AoGS9ZU8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3619,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041309262,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ygie','Re: best of 2001','The Devil\'s Backbone.\nMemento.\n','80671d1c53bd9fd2d0f6c58fe24e6a54',0,'','yzJwhEQ3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3620,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044612035,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: best of 2001','Most of youse got the best of them.\n\n1) Amelie (A Masterpiece. I watch it at least once a month)\n2) Mulholland Drive (Lynch\'s best since \"Eraserhead\")\n3) Gosford Park\n4) Amores Perros\n5) In the Bedroom\n6) Last Orders\n7) Monsoon Wedding\n8) LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring\n9) Monsters Inc.\n10) Royal Tennenbaums','2060411f3492f5c9289f1845ce14962b',0,'','sDG6zg3j',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3621,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045135149,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bmxsuperhero','Re: best of 2001','I\'m going to have to violently disagree with Ghost World, a film I considered to be one of the biggest fiascos of 2001.','bd3e8e556812af197bb9d2c3dc07dae9',0,'','sv5WZ73y',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3622,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045377823,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bmxsuperhero','Re: best of 2001','I have no official list of top ten films, so I\'ll just rail off the titles I can think of that affected me in a postive way from 2001: À Ma Soeur! [Fat Girl] (Catherine Breillat), The Business of Strangers (Patrick Stettner), Donnie Darko (Richard Kelly), Le Fabuleux destin d\'Amélie Poulain [Amélie] (Jean-Pierre Jeunet), Hatuna Meuheret [Late Marriage] (Dover Kosashvili), Hedwig and the Angry Inch (John Cameron Mitchell), Hell House (George Ratliff), Human Nature (Michel Gondry), In the Bedroom (Todd Field), Joy Ride (John Dahl), Lost and Delirious (Léa Pool), Me Without You (Sandra Goldbacher), Monsoon Wedding (Mira Nair), Mulholland Drive (David Lynch), No Such Thing (Hal Hartley), The Others (Alejandro Amenábar), La Pianiste [The Piano Teacher] (Michael Haneke), Rain (Christine Jeffs), The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson), Scratch (Doug Pray), Series 7: The Contenders (Daniel Minahan), Tape (Richard Linklater), Waking Life (Linklater), Wet Hot American Summer (David Wain), Xingfu Shiguang [Happy Times] (Zhang Yimou), Y Tu Mamá También (Alfonso Cuarón).\n\nI\'m sure I\'m forgetting some.','a49e67075a0ba3c7a95d32a9c3e1206f',0,'','x1ezHM00',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3623,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045825266,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: best of 2001','Why didn\'t you like \"Ghost World\"?\nDo you have something against originality?','f94655fd294984b685bb473d135fd106',0,'','Knu2zQo1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3624,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045831246,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bmxsuperhero','Re: best of 2001','Poppa, I won\'t dignify your sarcasm with an answer, but I will give you a breakdown of the reasons why I hated Ghost World.  My emotional connection with the characters isn\'t a firm indicator of my like or dislike for a film.  For example, the characters in \"Cries and Whispers\" were repugnant human beings... but that didn\'t affect my admiration for the film.  In Ghost World, the characters were putrid, specifically Enid.  The director was obviously in love with her character, or he wouldn\'t have clumsily exited all the other minor characters out of the film as amateurishly as he did.  Illeana Douglas\', Scarlett Johansson\'s, and Brad Renfro\'s characters are all given proper introduction, only to be swept under the rug in favour of Enid.  Zwigoff, who had only previously directed the documentary Crumb, has horrible timing for comedy.  Enid\'s character lacks any sympathy, seeing as how Zwigoff lets us know little more about her than telling us \"She\'s hip, in an unhip kind-of-way\"... but we could have picked that up through the trailor.  Ultimately, I was so infuriated with the film (and its unwarranted praise) that I was tempted to storm out of the theatre, for I couldn\'t care one way or the other what happened, ultimately, to Enid.','a61cd1418a1d80fc5f9f0f4c6a0dd8d2',0,'','8pSQkHlm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3625,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046577248,1,0,1,1,1,1,'r_inna','Re: best of 2001','\"MEMENTO\"!!!!!!!!! By Andy Klein  !!! big time\n\nshivers on my spine when i think about that!','6a69742d0861663a03b7bab5a76d08ff',0,'','ALRlXrov',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3626,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046577340,1,0,1,1,1,1,'r_inna','Re: best of 2001','hops sorry by Christopher Nolan.','5c7bbfbbd5de90b7474cf117db15bd3b',0,'','F6jhiH4R',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3627,746,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048447344,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: best of 2001','My favourite films of 2001 were Mulholland Drive, Dancer In the Dark, In Prais of Love, and Amelie. Memento was made in 2000.','d9693e194f612785be2b1ec957e35415',0,'','JXfPCKyZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3628,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1009997775,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Best performance  by a child?','My own choices would be :Ana Torent,in Spirit of the Beehive(Erice,Spain,1973), Yella Rottlander,in Alice in the Cities(Wenders,Germany,1974),closely followed by Aida Mohammadkhani,in The White Balloon(Panahi,Iran,1995).All three seem extremely believable,natural and touching.Ivan\'s Childhood, Ma Vie en Rose, Toto le Heros, Central Station, Fanny and Alexander, My Life as a Dog, Kikujiro and Ponette also come to mind as enjoyable films about children with fine central performances.\nWhat would be your nominations? ','cded01664ea1c990fb515c7f4e318b03',0,'','jMaN491K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3629,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010043391,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Ockien','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Howabout Kolya.','687a1f41225f717bdf093495bea53aa5',0,'','zPhV07Zi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3630,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010043913,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Ockien','Re: Best performance  by a child?','And Life Is Beautiful and 400 Blows.','aa1dc474fbef7e33a2704a7ba5322109',0,'','HuA2Vr5C',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3631,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1016664163,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Victoire Thivisol can`t spell it properly never seen anything as good as her in Ponette what an incredible film.I See she popped up again recently as Juliette Binoche`s Daughter in Chocolat another good performance,if a little older now.The French Directors have a sensational way of working with Children in Cinema,I Agree with Torent in the Beehive as well.','2df52913d3e39091f8bf005a9a5fa1c8',0,'','mC7Lt42d',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3632,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1016701649,1,0,1,1,1,1,'shoehorn','Re: Best performance  by a child?','I don\'t know the names of all the children (and am too lazy to look them up) but here are my choices for the films with best performances by children:\n\nLeolo, Canada, 1992\nApu Trilogy, India, 1955-59\nThe Great Adventure, Sweden, 1953\nThe Red Balloon, France, 1956\nForbidden Games, France, 1952\nStolen Children, italy, 1994\nA Place in the World, Argentina, 1992\nBoot Polish, India, 1954\nSundays and Cybele, France, 1962\nKes, UK, 1969\nThe Long Day Closes, UK, 1992\nThe Search, US, 1948\nMan in the Moon, US, 1991\nColor of Paradise, Iran, 1999\nPixote, Brazil, 1981\nHow Green Was My Valley, US, 1941\nET, US, 1982\nThe Wild Child, France, 1969\nThe Bicycle Thief, italy, 1948\nWhere is the Friend\'s Home, Iran, 1988\n\n\n\n','5eb05d0f6133efbf572cf7a90a4825b1',0,'','iw00ALT4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3633,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1017278620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Best performance  by a child?','bridget fossey in forbidden games is the best performance i\'ve seen from a child in a foreign film,also ivans childhood is a great performance.cheers from oz\nps those iranian kids are great too.\n','40d8067b2d918be43f3b750ba30dd2ba',0,'','ZSLJF8g5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3634,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1023426058,1,0,1,1,1,1,'doug9732','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Haley Joel Osment gave a superb performance in \"AI\". ','83b3a02c9700ff4b15d3a173954d85e7',0,'','HCXExpGn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3635,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1023603416,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ananda','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Has anyone seen \'Liam\'?  The kid is good.  Sorry I do not know his name,\n\nBut I have to give thumbs up to the kids in \'Children of Heaven\'.  They carried the whole movie on their shoulders.  Simply beautiful and convincing.\n\nHaley Joel Osment is a good actor.  I would watch any movie just to admire his skill.\n','59078282df7d7b8887ce1883c8ec67c9',0,'','Nv4VlBEr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3636,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032623523,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: Best performance  by a child?','1-The Bycicle Thives is by far the best performabce a child has done! He wasn\'t even an actor nor had any experience!\n\n2- 400 Blows: Jean Pierre Leod was  so convincing because most of the lines came from him! amazing film!\n\n3- Ponette: a little girl than loses her mother and how she deals with that loss, from a point of view of herself and not an adult! amazing!\n\n','954a5f38d0ef81becef549ecaf0fd502',0,'','tzsbxZqm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3637,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032692115,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Hola, mia amiga!! Great choices; i should certainly have mentioned the first two (just rushed out the first ones that came to mind). Probably the best films either director did, and you\'re right about the child performances. And Ponette seems so real.','15b94cebd06bcd97d4aecb52edfa97ca',0,'','7LA5i3Xz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3638,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033006880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ygie','Re: Best performance  by a child?','ANNA PAQUIN \"The Piano\"','d719e4c58feff0c527d5b8810cb32f3f',0,'','vcHsULy4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3639,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033007137,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ygie','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Nadya Mikhalkov \"Burnt By The Sun\"','24da42d846a53123bf87e48cb5dad250',0,'','QcrURFJ7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3640,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033007235,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Best performance  by a child?','yes nadya was wonderful great choice!','cf93154fd82763d6eb3c700eeae4e91e',0,'','BTVGRpdn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3641,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034791435,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Best performance  by a child?','In Order:\n\n1/  THE SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE (Victor Erice, Spain, 1973)\n2/  FORBIDDEN GAMES (Rene Clement, France, 1952)\n3/  THE INNOCENTS (Jack Clayton, England, 1961)\n4/  THE OTHERS (Alejandro Amenabar, Spain, 2001)\n5/  PONETTE (Jacques Doillon, France, 1997)\n6/  LEOLO (Jaen-Claude Lauzon, Canada, 1992)\n7/  I WAS BORN, BUT...(Yasujiro Ozu, Japan, 1932)\n8/  THE QUIET ROOM (Rolf De Heer, Australia, 1997)\n9/  SMALL CHANGE (Francois Truffaut, France, 1976)\n10/  400 BLOWS (Francois Truffaut, France, 1959)','21a5345ab3c9857045cf8c612269549a',0,'','HkjX5Mmw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3642,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034791825,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Sorry...I forgot...\n\nI\'ll have to bump #10 for the film I\'m always pushing...\n\n#10  NIGHT OF THE SHOOTING STARS (Taviani Brothers, Italy, 1982)','9c5502eaae0fd7647befeee148523892',0,'','YCzJUtym',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3643,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036530714,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpaddock5','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Glad to see Ana Torrent\'s getting some praise around here for her performance in Erice\'s Spirit of the Beehive - a beautiful little film... Still, I would point attention to Carlos Saura\'s Cria! (1975), citing Torrent\'s amazing role as a young girl dealing with the death of her father.  Less visually haunting than Beehive, but she gives a gorgeously nuanced performance thanks to Saura\'s well-staged Francoist metaphors.  worth searching around for, though video copies seem scarce.  JP','40061b17d12f7319472c8eb51fcd5eff',0,'','XB9dPAfp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3644,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036535648,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Off the top of my head and in no particular order:\n1. Bjorn Andresen (Death in Venice)\n2. Jean-Pierre Leaud (Les 400 Coups)\n3/4. Gaspard Manesse/Raphael Fejto (Au Revoir Les Enfants)\n5. Benoit Ferreux (Le Souffle Au Coeur)\n6. Pierre Blaise (Lacombe Lucien)\n7/8. Bertil Guve/Pernilla Alwin (Fanny och Alexander)\n9. Wojciech Klata (Dekalog 1)\n10. Kolya Burlaev (Ivan\'s Childhood)','f8033a884cceae8ae2dbd9ef224debac',0,'','RWq6xg58',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3645,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036640095,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Have yet to see many of the performances mentioned previously but would definitely agree with the performances put forth in the Bicycle Thief and 400 Blows.  I would also give kudos to the job the star of Come and See did; great movie.  I am looking forward to seeing Kolya Burlaev\'s My Name is Ivan when it arrives in the mail in a few days as I have always heard what a great one it is.  But I have to concede that my all time favorite performance by a child actor has to be Brandon De Wilde in Shane.  The little guy never fails to bring tears to my eyes at the end of that film, and I don\'t care what anyone says, he deserved that Oscar nomination for Best Supporting Actor.','de7466fc4f1bde45cf81aee76c84dbe6',0,'','LPtKgC03',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3646,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1037385064,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Julia Stiles in Wicked (hotdamn). And because I love cutsie coming of age stories, Mischa Barton in Lawn Dogs (\"Diddy-dum\"). I don\'t think anyone mentioned the girl and boy in Tarkosvky\'s short film Steamroller and the Violin -- especially the little bit of business with the apple outside the music class. The ingenue in The Major and the Minor (Diana Lynn). Yang-yang or Ting-Ting in Yi-Yi (Jonathan Chang, Kelly Lee). The Armenian boy in Eternity and a Day. Klaus Kinski\'s early roles. And I have to be a fool and say Natalie Portman in Leon. However, in short: Ivan\'s Childhood.','4a5dac5e32afb94546b2bcf2e8e25d73',0,'','FiWJGSop',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3647,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1037638341,1,0,1,1,1,1,'aviv71','Re: Best performance  by a child?','You can now add Maxime Foerste to the list. She was great in Mostly Martha.','7525bc566e88ceb9a0ecdd0de15eb457',0,'','70bVHE5n',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3648,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1037700937,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Arletty','Re: Best performance  by a child?','PADRE PADRONE\nFabrizio Forte AS Young Gavino \n\nLa Notte di San Lorenzo\nthe child in this film\n\nI saw a film in the early 80s about a young boy set in I think Rio.  He was raped in a boys home then became a child prositute then became obsesses with needing a mother to the point where he tried to suckle on an adult friend.  The child in this was amazing.  I think the title started with X but I can\'t be sure.\n\nTaviani Brothers made beautiful heart wrenching films.  I recommend their work to you.\n\n\n\n','2e861ae7e66c89ea55673269fa774f2b',0,'','rfKRPM47',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3649,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1037760892,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Best performance  by a child?','The film set in Rio you are thinking about is \'Pixote\'.  A vey sad ending to that story in real life as the star of the film, I think he was about 12 when the film was made but I could be wrong, died before the age of 20 on the streets of metropolitan Brazil.','6549a84690cd618b0fc99721a82a828b',0,'','YUr4b20x',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3650,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038963421,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nickpilarski','Re: Best performance  by a child?','What about the kid from the film \"The Color of paradise\"','3d5ce99f26b285d1b63ebcc55fc84fd7',0,'','AyR5sUp1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3651,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1039534205,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Three child actors who perhaps ought to have been in my list, but whom I neglected at the time, are:\nBilly Chapin and Sally Jane Bruce (Night of the Hunter)\nand\nBobby Henrey (The Fallen Idol).','4af7bcc1a90d5ee377b621b8d9b9bd07',0,'','Akj6Unmg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3652,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048469792,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Catherine Demongeot in Zazie dans le Metro.','bdfb10966467e68ae82e358d31361260',0,'','zqywhZ9A',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3653,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048514113,1,0,1,1,1,1,'for_me_blue','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Nadya Mikhalkov - Burnt By The Sun\n\nAnd in my opinion the best of all was:\n\nAndrei Chalimon - Kolya\n\nLizka\n','aa4d03875e74f013b5fe5c88f9aa6d01',0,'','JkSgdsLo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3654,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049168802,1,0,1,1,1,1,'shaylahilt','Re: Best performance  by a child?','can\'t forget the kid in cinema paradiso!','232c08a5a6098f7edf452fe0b1cd9bd8',0,'','x35olEUY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3655,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049431951,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best performance  by a child?','After years of promising myself I\'d watch it I have finally seen John Boorman\'s Hope and Glory, and I must say Sebastian Rice-Edwards is a more than worthy addition to this ever-growing list of young talent. (Not so young now though - he must be about 30.)','855bd1d2dd5c188ef053786fb0fe12ff',0,'','ubC1P2zh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3656,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053457646,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bootsie32000','Re: Best performance  by a child?','I thought the children in Rabbit Proof Fence were great, especially Sampi(?), the oldest girl.\n\nI usually don\'t like child actors since it never really comes off, especially in N. American films because every one is conscious of making them cute which in the end makes them weird.\n\nI find the kid from AI a rather mannered actor for his age and watching him makes me very uncomfortable,which may have more to do with Speilberg\'s direction.\n\nThe one kid I liked was the little girl in Enough.  She was almost as good as Danny in the Shining, truly cute, no sugary stuff shoved down your throat and a real child with that spontenaity or vulnerability that any professional loses no matter how young.','ca3895cc5562265942e606b299b1091c',0,'','9XWdhLTe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3657,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053496291,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Best performance  by a child?','EAMONN OWENS + ANA TORRENT\n\nI second everything in Jpaddock5\'s excellent post. If you haven\'t, do yourself a favor and seek out [i]CRIA[/i] and [i]THE SPIRIT OF THE BEEHIVE[/i].\nEamonn Owens ia an irish actor who debuted at age 13 in Neil Jordan\'s [i]The Butcher Boy[/i]. I was totally riveted by his fevered, possessed performance as Francie Brady. Mr. Owens has since appeared in [i]The General[/i], [i]Angela\'s Ashes[/i] and [i]The Magdalene Sisters[/i].','4783cbbd1fb3fe7131fe10f47e5d5bca',0,'','o9Gz8snW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3658,747,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055522644,1,0,1,1,1,1,'CulinaryJen','Re: Best performance  by a child?','Victoire Thivisol in Ponette was wonderful.  She was OK in Chocolat.','cb1ab45a43463062cadc42cc3229a6cd',0,'','D7Jeilfz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3659,748,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010024922,1,0,1,1,1,1,'subterraneancinema','THE DAY THE CLOWN CRIED - the screenplay!','NOW AVAILABLE AT SUBCIN.COM!\n\nI have painstakingly transcribed the SCREENPLAY of Jerry Lewis\' infamous and unreleased film about a clown in a concentration camp, THE DAY THE CLOWN CRIED.\n\nYou can download this gem now at:\n\nSUBTERRANEAN CINEMA\nhttp://www.subcin.com\n\nEnjoy!  :D\n\n','382abd7977bcdd9f1723aabe0b2f761c',0,'','f3dNyZLa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3660,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010175341,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Essential Silent Films','Silent films are rarely seen by the public, so i\'d like to draw attention to some essential ones(many others worth seeing i\'ve not listed);Asterisks denote those i especially love/admire.\nA Trip to the Moon(Melies) \nVampires(Feuillade)\nBirth of a Nation (Griffith)\nIntolerance(Griffith)\nThe Outlaw and his Wife (Sjostrom)\nThe Cabinet of Dr Caligari(Wiene)\nBroken Blossoms(Griffith)\nThe Phantom Carriage(Sjostrom)\nThe Kid(Chaplin)\nNosferatu(Murnau)*\nNanook of the North(Flaherty)\nGreed(Sjostrom)\nSherlock Jnr(Keaton)*\nThe Navigator(Keaton,Crisp)\nStrike(Eisenstein)\nBattleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)*\nThe Gold Rush(Chaplin)*\nMetropolis(Lang)**\nThe General(Keaton,Bruckman)*\nA Page of Madness(Kinugasa)\nMother(Pudovkin)\nSunrise(Murnau)**\nNapoleon(Gance)\nBerlin Symphony of a Great City(Ruttmann)\nAn Italian Straw Hat(Clair)\nThe Chess Player(Bernard)*\nOctober(Eisenstein)\nThe Passion of Joan of Arc(Dreyer)*\nMan with a Movie Camera(Vertov)*\nPandora\'s Box(Pabst)*\nThe Wind (Sjostrom)\nUn Chien Andalou(Bunuel)\nThe Crowd (Vidor)\nL\'Argent(L\'Herbier)\nPeople on Sunday(Ulmer,Siodmak)*\nEarth (Dovzhenko)\nCity Lights (Chaplin)\nI was Born but(Ozu)\nModern Times(Chaplin)\nWhich Silents do you consider best? ','d76eb8c53417a5099cd7b3619ee910f3',0,'','JxRbDFSQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3661,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010213085,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Ockien','Re: Essential Silent Films','I would also like to add V.I. Pudovkin\'s work:\nMother (1926)\nStom Over Asia (1928)\n\nANd I know that they were propaganda films but they were well made.','989715ff0fa546fc35cc242b58c31132',0,'','yWGeng3D',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3662,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010213155,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Ockien','Re: Essential Silent Films','I apologize, for I did not see you mentioned Mother my mistake.','797647d6a03613ac30bfe2899ccd7ce1',0,'','qHTiKeNz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3663,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010213229,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Ockien','Re: Essential Silent Films','Oh and I must say that I thought you would have favored Napoleon because for those who have seen it it is rated very highly.','e1bee15bdcbf97510caf8df0755c9eb8',0,'','PgkrGs1a',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3664,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010221306,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Essential Silent Films','i saw Storm over Asia on video,in a very poor print,which spoilt my enjoyment.In fact i very nearly chose it anyway,cos it\'s well thought of,but my list had to end somewhere.I preferred to highlight The Chess Player,rather than the monumental,extraordinary Napoleon,as it\'s relatively unknown,needing the publicity more.Many of the Napoleon film crew were used in it;it\'s a grand,romantic adventure set in Russian-ruled Poland in 1776,something of a secret treasure,i think.Of course,Napoleon\'s an acknowledged  masterpiece, so you were quite right. ','8fdfc5639f5cded40ec5193c418f0e6d',0,'','DwAt60Rq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3665,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010286994,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Ockien','Re: Essential Silent Films','Interesting, was wondering how I could get a copy of The Chess Player and if has anything to do with chess or if it\'s just a metaphor for war or something.','1374fb0109fe90f4522dcc9ddd75ce7c',0,'','tVmdGc4L',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3666,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010311372,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Essential Silent Films','The title of The Chess Player refers to an automaton piece which features prominently,and also to the dashing young Polish Army Officer who\'s the hero.The film was restored,like Napoleon,by Kevin Brownlow.It features stirring battle scenes,lovely snowscapes,fireworks,a masked ball at the Winter Palace,a range of unusual utomata,and a hefty dose of romanticism.The initial stages arethe least striking.\nYou may be able to obtain it from MovieMail, a world cinema video company,based in Britain,for whom i do short (50 word)reviews,articles(including on our mutual friend Tarkovsky,which i hope did him some justice)and selections of recommendations in different categories,for their Newsletters and Catalogues.As an enthusiast,not an employee.They rent as well as sell videos,which is very useful,particularly as tbe BBC and other channels here in Britain show ever fewer \"foreign language\"films.I\'m not positive whether they send abroad,but i got my copy from them..Their email;enquiries@moviem.co.uk. Website;www.moviem.co.uk\nI\'d also recommend People on Sunday, a 1929 mixture of fiction and documentary,covering 4 young peple on a Berlin lakeside outing.Co-directed by Ulmer and Siodamk,scripted by Billy Wilder(!),photographed by Schufftan(famous for work n Metropolis),and with Fred Zinnemann as asistant director(if i remember rightly).Our film society at Brecon,Wales screened it last month,it was very popular.We have a resident silent film composer,who\'s superb and gets to know the films bettter than anyone(in the world probably).We\'ve screened several classic silents.  ','0998d21a98c77a0dbca5cb6de251362a',0,'','Pq49Qc5d',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3667,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1014097603,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Essential Silent Films','Anyone who enjoys performing dogs should probably see RESCUED BY ROVER (Hepworth, 1901/2?). I think INGEBORG HOLM (Sjostrom, 1916?) should be on the list. Also Ozu\'s I WAS BORN BUT-- (1932) and THE SENTIMENTAL BLOKE (Raymond Longford, 1917?). All dates from memory. :)','7a91c31226fa65153f0ece5e3351d30e',0,'','zbrQ1aJK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3668,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1014097842,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Essential Silent Films','Also Sjostrom\'s HE WHO GETS SLAPPED (1924) and Tod Browning\'s THE UNKNOWN (1927) which of course are both circus/quasi-bizarro films (e.g. Lon Chaney\'s armless knife-throwing act).','4943d4b51fa79807cf1666232ccc6337',0,'','HqSvtg23',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3669,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1014097955,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Essential Silent Films','Of course I WAS BORN BUT-- is already on the list! Have you seen any films directed by Leonce Perret?','589f1c959dc5415f9781737cb8aefec1',0,'','MmNz4guH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3670,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1014224906,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Essential Silent Films','Excellent suggestions as usual,Katsuben.Yes,i\'d understood Ingeborg Holm and He Who gets Slapped to be among the better silent films but haven\'t seen them yet(both are in my little notebook of must-sees,some films are of course easier to get to see than others,and for all the ones i\'ve managed to see there are still plenty in store).','84fdb7c8163f5a9e3056855840d174e9',0,'','0JKd1vEY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3671,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1014736048,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Essential Silent Films','i thought i better correct RESCUED BY ROVER\'s date to 1905 (d: Lewin Fitzhamon). i\'m yet to see THE CHEAT (DeMille, 1915) which seems to remain an important film. i guess BALLET MECANIQUE (1924, Leger/Murphey) \"deserves\" to be here too...?','e1c26f5e7b899ec3c656284963a532df',0,'','UAcqlGDP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3672,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018940356,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Essential Silent Films','I\'ve seen about 80% of your list, so I feel I can say something about it.  Overall, it looks pretty good.  That said, let\'s commence the caviling.\n\nFirst of all, I guess we disagree about the importance of von Stroheim.  (You even handed Victor Sjostrom the credit for directing Greed!)  He has his faults--at the moment, what stands out is his occasionally grating use of overt symbolism--and we don\'t have the films he intended us to see (and, of course, the fact that he didn\'t have much input into the final cuts of his films complicates our sense of him as a director).  Still, he stands out to me as a major figure, and I\'d keep Greed on this list and add both Foolish Wives and Queen Kelly.  (I\'m not sure whether you\'ve seen the recent restoration of Greed--you know, the one with the stills--but I wholeheartedly recommend it.)     \n\nSecond, Lang\'s silents.  I suppose I ought to preface this by saying that Lang is way up there in my personal pantheon (M might be my favorite film and I share that Cahiers-inspired mania for his American period), but I don\'t share the widespread enthusiasm for Metropolis.  Maybe I\'d change my mind if I saw a nice print in a theatrical setting, but I\'m currently inclined to doubt it.  There\'s no question that it succeeds as spectacle and that it\'s a masterpiece of architectural design, but I\'m afraid it just seems woefully shallow to me.  Of course, it might just be that it seems intellectually jejune when compared to M, and I guess making such a comparison would be unfair, as I consider that film a model of intellectual depth and clarity in the cinema.  Or it could just be that I\'m skeptical due to the cult status of Metropolis; you know, maybe it\'s just my cinematic snobbishness rearing its ugly head.  So, what should we put here instead?  We\'ve gotta have something by Lang:  there\'s no question that he\'s a major silent film director.  Unfortunately, I\'m not really qualified to say.  (I must say it\'s more than a bit embarrassing to admit.)  I\'ve seen Spies, which I enjoyed quite a bit, but, although it\'s a nice thriller, it just doesn\'t seem to have the depth or historical importance to warrant a spot here.  And, honestly, that\'s all I\'ve seen at the moment.  I plan to watch Siegfried and Kriemhilde\'s Revenge here pretty soon, and I hope to get my hands on that new DVD edition of Dr. Mabuse, Der Spieler, so maybe I\'ll be able to add something before too long.   \n\nA few films that I think belong on a list like this:\n\n1.  Vertov\'s Kino-Eye.  It\'s been a while since I saw this, but it was an extremely pleasurable experience.  It\'s not quite the visual feast that Man with the Movie Camera is, but what is?  \n2.  Pabst\'s Joyless Street.  Honestly, I think this far outstrips Pandora\'s Box.  This film reminds me of Mizoguchi\'s Sisters of the Gion in its depiction of how two different women react to the terrible options provided to them by the society in which they live, and it even seems to display some of that palpable anger that I associate with those early Mizoguchi dramas.  (Of course, maybe my previous acquaintance with Mizoguchi led me to read something into the film that wasn\'t there, as just about everyone else I saw the film with--I saw it in a classroom environment--thought it was nothing more than a piece of rank didacticism intended to convey the following moral to young German girls:  be good bourgeois ladies or you\'ll end up whores.)\n3.  Murnau\'s Tabu.  It deserves to be on here for its ending alone (which is of more value than the whole of Nosferatu as far as I\'m concerned).  The rest of it is pretty good too.  \n4.  The cream separator scene from Eisenstein\'s The General Line/Old and New.\n\n\n','e7b642cfa34693d62cb552af5968f01b',0,'','27sPQwYC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3673,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018956691,1,0,1,1,1,1,'johndav','Re: Essential Silent Films','Very interesting and informative!Yes,Tabu is excellent-lovely lyricism.Did think of including it;perhaps i should have made my list longer!?Agree that Metropolis\' message is shallow,but i love the visual impact.M makes far more interesting political and social points,certainly,and you\'re far from alone in thinking it Lang\'s best(it\'s also highly placed in this site\'s top 100,i see).No,i\'ve not seen the updated Greed.I very much enjoyed Queen Kelly,but the version i saw was hardly the full film-horribly cut out in its prime.Where did the film go?,i wondered.Haven\'t seen Joyless Street,understand it\'s one of Pabst\'s best.Like many i enjoy Pandora\'s Box mainly for Brooks\' wonderful,vivacious performance and her luminous beauty but it has its other strong points-the lighting is expert and the editing  and mise-en-scene rather more clever than i\'d initially realised.Still,some elements do seem a little dated.The British Film Institute 360 classics list preferred Pabst\'s Secrets of the Soul to Joyless Street,if i remember rightly,but its selections were extremely idiosyncratic,and my reading\'s given the impression Joyless Street is better.Glad to be learning;i\'m no great expert on silent films,just have a range of interests;something of a jack of all trades(and master of none)!I fling out my lists hoping for informed responses like yours.','171b44600f681b02f78fb116375f8384',0,'','cLph94vT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3674,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041055806,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Essential Silent Films','You do seem to have a list of a film course\'s viewing schedule.  I would personally add my favorite Keaton film Steamboat Bill Jr. as well as Lon Chaney\'s Hunchback of Notre Dame.  Pardon me if I just missed these on your list.  Also consider checking out Chaplin\'s The Circus, arguably the most underrated film in his collection.','3c8d91fdb25ed939b40d9fb7c58293f6',0,'','Qxk2cwn8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3675,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041084296,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Essential Silent Films','Anything by Keaton - I haven\'t seen Sherlock Jr since I was about 8 but it remains a favourite. The Navigator is also a masterpiece.','8eaec576a0933d8a1ac65429bcb681e3',0,'','r3Zsz1vx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3676,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044611574,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Essential Silent Films','Ten Essential silent films:\n\nPassion of Joan of Arc\nBattleship Potemkin\nI Was Born, But...\nSunrise\nBirth of a Nation\nThe Last Laugh\nSherlock Jr. & The General\nThe Gold Rush & Modern Times\nPandora\'s Box\nThe Lodger','b4b219f6dce078d932f43b6d40923348',0,'','EZs32bSt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3677,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045825426,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Essential Silent Films','I think Von Stroheim\'s \"Greed\" is one of the greatest films ever made that should be seen by every soul before his/her death to see what cinema can achieve.','86f8313b76553b49a8a2284adb24f852',0,'','7MVzEuZs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3678,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047866293,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Essential Silent Films','ah you\'re only saying it because it\'s true!:)','1bf0ec28556105f399dc573b5729f7e7',0,'','P1qzQbmp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3679,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051679527,1,0,1,1,1,1,'manicmo','Re: Essential Silent Films','Getting back to Buster Keaton, I am on the lookout for his experimental shorts made in the 50\'s, one I remember located in the downtown streets of Manhattan when it was poor and desolate. Does anyone know the name of this or other works,written by Beckett as I recall?','af81af486ec2bd91c7dbc31bf66d6c11',0,'','yKq8C5gi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3680,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054361249,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pukeypfilm','Re: Essential Silent Films','Can I get a little love for Murnau\'s Faust? I know Sunrise is a favorite among critics, but IMHO Faust is just as good, if not better than Sunrise. At least it deserves to be on the list. ','eeddd160c6cc9dd9f2fda1c488f5e129',0,'','JfipV3Gj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3681,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059744109,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Essential Silent Films','anything by buster keaton.','fbd742c57668cdd047dec807552e152a',0,'','9RZJbSGy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3682,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059792078,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: Essential Silent Films','What about Murnau\'s Last Laugh?','655c26fe2ba1cf7823875199920eec3b',0,'','z3SocjpJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3683,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061498622,1,0,1,1,1,1,'IndianSummer','Re: Essential Silent Films','\'Jaagte Raho\' (Raj Kapoor, 1943) is exquisite stuff.','baac539ece37659f3e5ed0d0c16565b0',0,'','uKbonYr0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3684,749,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061596688,1,0,1,1,1,1,'IndianSummer','Re: Essential Silent Films','Pushpak (Kamal Hassan, 1983). Exquisitely directed and hilariously funny!','8a19833f53e25ef626de091cbedfd47d',0,'','F4k7cnhD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3685,750,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1010268015,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Female directors','Not many female directors prominent on the site,from what i\'ve seen,so here are some films  which should be worth considering(in no particular order).I\'ve certainly not seen them all(so the list is based in part on my reading and on other critical opinion),but i\'ve asterisked three i\'d especially recommend,which may not be very well known.I\'d be grateful for opinions on films by women (the best/most overrated/personal favourites)-whether on my list or not.This at least may highlight some excellent work.\nCampion:The Piano,An Angel at my Table\nAkerman:Jeanne Dielman,La Captive\nNair:Salaam Bombay,Monsoon Wedding\nSamira Makhmalbaf:The Apple,Blackboards\nRiefenstahl:Triumph of the Will,Olympia\nDenis:Beau Travail,Chocolat\nGorris:Antonia\'s Line,A Question of Silence\nMeszaros:A Diary for my Children\nTlatli:Silences of the Palace*\nShepitko:The Ascent*\nUllmann:Faithless\nRamsay:Ratcatcher\nSagan:Madchen in Uniform*\nAmaral:The Hour of the Star\nSolntseva:Poem of the Sea,The Enchanted Desna\nMuratova:The Long Farewell\nDash:Daughters of the Dust\nDeren:Meshes of the Afternoon\nMartel:La Cienaga\nDuras:India Song\nDulac:The Smiling Madame Beudet,The Seashell and the Clergyman\nPotter:Orlando\nVarda:Cleo from 5 to 7,Vagabond\nChytilova:Daisies\nHolland:Europa,Europa\nArmstrong:My Brilliant Career\nLupino:The Bigamist,The Hitch-hiker\nTrotta:The German Sisters\nZheliazkova:The Attached Balloon \nGomez:One Way or Another\nArzner:Dance,Girl,Dance','df7ed7a9d8fb83eaee7f54b221797c9e',0,'','rDYUi5pT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3686,750,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1014098774,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Female directors','Thanks, John-5 - this is a useful list. Have you seen Roboh\'s CEMENTINE TANGO? Perhaps some Yvonne Rainer should be on the list. I think I would asterisk CLEO FROM 5 TO 7 and JEANNE DIELMAN. I think THE VIRGIN SUICIDES wouldn\'t be totally out of place on such a list (if A. Holland, why not S. Coppola?) What can you tell me about SILENCES OF THE PALACE?','0b0bdd70a736ffd1b4a57d3979c170a1',0,'','UQfbqZgY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3687,750,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1014159311,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Female directors','Good suggestions-haven\'t seen Yvonne Rainer films,understand Film about a Woman who..is her most famous.Silences of the Palace is a Tunisian film,debut of Moufida Tlatli,(who\'s since done The Season of Men).An intimate depiction of the (suppressed)lives of women,particularly a  serving girl who\'s a fine singer,in a Tunisian palace in the 1950\'s.Sensitive,delicate and thoughtful,a colourful mosaic;well-liked when shown at our film society a few years ago.Best wishes.','27921fcfef0df37fa605abf4db788f9c',0,'','uiHyqEQm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3688,750,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1014225842,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Female directors','i\'d like to add,no i\'ve not seen Cementine Tango.Also that you\'re quite right to want to asterisk Cleo from 5 to 7(which i enjoyed,is doing well in the foreignfilms poll,was also one of the British Film Institute\'s 360 Classics),and Jeanne Dielman(which,as you know,is an extremely important film in the development of feminist cinema.)I asterisked the 3 mainly cos i thought they\'d be less well known and might deserve a little extra publicity.Has anyone seen the Zheliazkova film The Attached Balloon,from Bulgaria?(like Romania, a neglected country)','759b11f43744818194138b8d7cc6f95a',0,'','H5e0kWxg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3689,751,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1012595674,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mani_fh','Iranian Cinema','\"In the past decade, Iranian films have won nearly 600 awards at international festivals, where directors such as Abbas Kiarostami and Mohsen Makhmalbaf are recognized as among the cinema\'s most accomplished artists.\"\n-GODFREY CHESHIRE, Film Critic\n\nWhat do you think about Iranian Cinema?\n\n ','c87a4044c3e3771a68467841d78f479d',0,'','nsaBc3oF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3690,751,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044713550,1,0,1,1,1,1,'costas.antony','Re: Iranian Cinema','I\'m a big fan of Iranian cinema. In the space of a few months I have accumulated about 17 Iranian films to add to my collection. I am always amazed though how some films get past the Iranian censors such as Baran and The Hidden Half for example.','b3f64b5097bf730bda5685e9c22d13f3',0,'','7aoWnMh6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3691,751,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059744438,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Iranian Cinema','i haven\'t watched any Iranian films.  Is \"Children of Heaven\"  from Iran?  If it is, I liked it.  Very grass-roots. =0)','cb8e6b09b09a4bda3d1645e8a50a9462',0,'','82TvD4aH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3692,751,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061498503,1,0,1,1,1,1,'IndianSummer','Re: Iranian Cinema','Most iranian movies are excellent stuff. \n\nmy first exposure to movies from iran was at an iranian film festival in new delhi when i was in high school. i saw movies by Makhmalbaf, Parviz Sayyad and Ahmadreza Darvish and was totally hooked. I had to wait another 2 years for another iranian film festival to be held, this time shown on national television. all the movies/documentaries were excellent. I\'m a big fan of Roosari Aavi and Babk Payami. \n\nnow that i\'m in the US for my undergraduate studies, it\'s harder to come across iranian movies. but i\'m sure i\'ll find a way...:)','2044d5bc596dd13a6da4d7c39acbfad8',0,'','LogCY0mP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3693,751,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061867285,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Iranian Cinema','Iranian cinema these days is probably the the best going around,stuff that moves you & makes you think & so easy to watch,i have seen over 30 and have yet to see an ordinary one.Kiarostami is the \"Renoir\" of iranian cinema for me,definately in the first rank of modern directors.\nHe is very highly regarded here in Australia where we are lucky enough to see his & others films all the time.- cheers','dec9abfa2a115fa8a01da7964c28f0ad',0,'','9yxvKQaZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3694,752,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1012703878,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ndibra','Best/Worst in my opinion','Hi all! I was so happy to find this board where we can all share our thoughts and suggestions on the movies we have seen..\n\nHere are some of my favorites:\n\nRaise the Red Lantern\nTo Live\nLife is Beautiful\nLike water for Chocolate\n\nThe ones that were INTERESTING:\nLe\'Enfer\nThe Color of Paradise\nRed FireCracker Green Firecracker\n\nFunny Foreign:\nShall we dance\nThe Wedding Banquet\n\nThere was a nother..I cant remeber the name: the one where this English /Arabic family (wife red head) were marrying off their sons and none of them wanted to be re arranged?\nIt was very interesting and I thought the part when the double engagement was happening was SOOO funny..\n\nSo/So..\nBefore the rain..I felt this one had SUCH potential and then bombed out\n\n\nI absolutley DID NOT LIKE:\nCabbeh\nGreen papaya\nThe Pillow Book\n\nI know there are more I just cant think of them now..I am off to Blockbuster NOW actually..that is what brought me to the list..I wanted to get some ideas..\nI think I will rent\nIl Postino\nI will let you know!\n\n','cbd18160fcfcb941768c2e87cb4c4850',0,'','ubFwkBz4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3695,752,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1021485765,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Peter196783','Re: Best/Worst in my opinion','I RECOMMEND YOU SEE: THAT MAN FROM RIO. I THINK YOU WILL ENJOY IT.','55ebe7e2836080a3c9e7384acf5dab69',0,'','tQMwdfp0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3696,752,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1026160236,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jasonrichardsmith','Re: Best/Worst in my opinion','For shame to attack peter greenways pillowbook.  great film, great editing and great cinematography. bah.  I fart in your general direction.','bb0249b493da04241c315c37cc46faab',0,'','cshAt4wz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3697,752,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1026251223,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Best/Worst in my opinion','As I was also disappointed by The Pillow Book (not one of Greenaway\'s best, imo), i hope the wind is not blowing in my direction. It\'s not a patch on (the Welsh director\'s) The Draughtsman\'s Contract. The original book The Pillow Book of Sei Shonagon (the diary of a court lady in 10th century Japan) is quite wonderful- the film makes reference to it, but has not much in common, otherwise. Gabbeh\'s a lovely film, but not for all tastes, i\'ll readily admit.','a9fa3270604d44313d3d78fed9fc1ab5',0,'','PnDzkqtV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3698,752,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1026424872,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Best/Worst in my opinion','how about Gabbeh is a brillant film... also, greenaway is a hack... though Pillow Book is tolerable','bfb3d014e0b2a7c3367a040de0207e3e',0,'','j5NaETYv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3699,752,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041054414,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best/Worst in my opinion','Scarce on the picks, and a few too many newer films but there is one thing you are correct on, and that is To Live and Raise the Red Lantern.  Everything from Yimou is brilliant and these two may very well be his two best.  If looking for suggestions anything by Godard, Bunuel, or Antonioni is good, or at least worth watching.','192de311e226f4905d2cdcb0c29b5e6f',0,'','EFxqGNwQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3700,752,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041235239,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ygie','Re: Best/Worst in my opinion','I wouldn\'t say Gabbeh is brilliant, maybe beautiful to \"look\" at, but brilliant, I don\'t think so.\nBrilliant would be \"Flowers of Shanghi\" an awesome film. Totally underrated!','ed83ff7c20e5ab5ff1c5c12ba8f6bc7a',0,'','P58JDjnc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3701,752,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044611720,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Best/Worst in my opinion','Anything by Wong Kar-Wei and Tsai Miang-Lang, the only truly interesting directors doing anything new in my opinion.','0868a831c25ebdc4c12aa8497074608c',0,'','7ngMxq4L',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3702,753,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1012746362,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ndibra','more to add','Hi Went to Blockbuster last night.\nWondering ..does anyone know another goos source to rent Foregin Films in the NY area (I am in Long Island)\nI am assuming the Library?\n\nAnyhow..Saw Il Postino..I enjoyed it very much..\nMy favorite was the crazy over protective Aunt.\n\nI couldnt find some of the other titles that were mentioned here on the site..\n\nI also remembered another I thought was so/so.. Ju Du was not that bad..\n\n','ca8ffa747b1845f0eb0443d5790b94b1',0,'','JhrlYe9t',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3703,754,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1015034043,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arteagamm','Italian For Beginners','Don\'t let the name fool you.  Its a Danish romantic comedy. I give it two thumbs up.','67eb9b9d0141e497b8157cbe90d033f6',0,'','PyRxm7wT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3704,754,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1015034862,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mani_fh','Re: Italian For Beginners','I watched that movie at the Toronto film festival, must say I really enjoyed it and I’m really interested to know more about Dogma 95 style.','be3480aa7d933997b066c7050d88aaef',0,'','RLXK8So6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3705,754,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1072905762,1,0,1,1,1,1,'par72','Re: Italian For Beginners','Really enjoyed it.\n\nEver so slightly better than Wilbur Wants to Kill Himself - a subsequent film by the same director.','9af2b30829065167e322bcd6108afd36',0,'','st1xkBYm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3706,755,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1015275817,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gary-2','Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films Lists ...','Here is my Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films List that I have recently updated. Would klove to see others lists.\n\nI have placed comments by each film on my website at:\n[url]http://207.136.67.23/film/Top100.htm#g[/url]\n\nI feel I will probably have to change it again as I have so many films to see, and am viewing great films each week...\n\n&lt;B&gt;Rank	Title	Director	Year\n1	In the Mood For Love	Wong Kar-Wai	2000\n2	Mirror	Tarkovsky	1975\n3	Rosetta	Dardenne	1999\n4	Summer	Rohmer	1986\n5	The Passion of Joan of Arc	Dryer	1928\n6	L\'avventura	Antonioni	1960\n7	A Man Escaped	Bresson	1956\n8	Bicycle Thief	de Sica	1948\n9	Cinema Paradiso	Tornatore	1989\n10	Ordet	Dryer	1955\n11	The Umbrellas of Cherbourg	Demy	1964\n12	Children of Paradise	Carne	1945\n13	Vive L\'amour	Tsai	1994\n14	The Scent of Green Papaya	Tran Anh Hung	1993\n15	Beau Pere	Blier	1981\n16	Irma Vep	Assayas	1996\n17	The Lovers on the Bridge	Carax	1991\n18	Nights of Cabiria	Fellini	1957\n19	Autumn Sonata	Bergman	1978\n20	Red	Kieslowski	1994\n21	The Cranes are Flying	Kalatozishvili	1957\n22	Chung King Express	Wong Kar-Wai	1994\n23	Chloe in the Afternoon	Rohmer	1970\n24	Andrei Rublev	Tarkovsky	1969\n25	Diary of a Country Priest	Bresson	1950\n26	A Tale of Winter	Rohmer	1992\n27	Pickpocket	Bresson	1959\n28	L\'Appartement	Mimouni	1996\n29	The Woman Next Door	Truffaut	1981\n30	Il Grido	Antonioni	1957\n31	The 400 Blows	Truffaut	1959\n32	The Aviator\'s Wife	Rohmer	1980\n33	Not One Less	Yimou	1999\n34	High and Low	Kurosawa	1963\n35	The Vertical Ray of the Sun	Tran Anh Hung	2000\n36	Decalogue	Kieslowski	1987\n37	Woman in the Dunes	Teshigahara	1964\n38	El	Buñuel	1952\n39	L\'Humanite	Dumont	1999\n40	Tokyo Story	Ozu	1952\n41	Solaris	Tarkovsky	1972\n42	Mouchette	Bresson	1967\n43	Taste of Cherry	Kiarostami	1997\n44	Seventh Seal	Bergman	1957\n45	Day of Wrath	Dryer	1943\n46	Mother and Son	Sokurov	1997\n47	The Eel	Immamura	1997\n48	King of Masks	Wu Tian-Ming	1996\n49	Jean de Florette	Berri	1986\n50	The Hole	Tsai	1998\n51	8 1/2	Fellini	1963\n52	Stalker	Tarkovsky	1979\n53	The 47 Ronin	Mizoguchi	1941\n54	Under the Sand	Ozon	2000\n55	School of Flesh	Jacquot	1998\n56	Nelly and Monsiuer Arnaud	Sautet	1995\n57	Small Change	Truffaut	1976\n58	The Earrings of Madame De…	Ophüls 	1953\n59	Vagabond	Varda	1985\n60	Manon de Sources	Berri	1987\n61	My Night at Mauds	Rohmer	1969\n62	Un Couer en Hiver	Sautet	1993\n63	Pauline at the Beach	Rohmer	1983\n64	Night and Fog	Resnais	1955\n65	Los Olvidados	Buñuel	1950\n66	Days of Being Wild	Wong Kar-Wai	1991\n67	Solaris	Tarkovsky	1972\n68	Battleship Potemkin	Eisenstein	1925\n69	Mississippi Mermaid	Truffaut	1964\n70	The Double Life of Veronique	Kieslowski	1991\n71	A Good Marriage	Rohmer	1982\n72	The Criminal Life of Archibaldo de la Cruz	Buñuel	1955\n73	Double Suicide	Shinoda	1969\n74	Rebels of the Neon God	Tsai	1992\n75	Cyclo	Tran Anh Hung	1995\n76	L\'ennui	Khan	1998\n77	Boyfriends and Girlfriends	Rohmer	1987\n78	Insomnia	Skjoldbjærg	1997\n79	White	Kieslowski	1994\n80	An Affair of Love	Donteyne	1999\n81	My Life to Live	Godard	1962\n82	That Obscure Object of My Desire	Buñuel	1977\n83	Le Beau Marriage	Rohmer	1981\n84	Ikiru	Kurosawa	1952\n85	Blood of  Poet	Cocteau	1930\n86	Confidentially Yours	Truffaut	1983\n87	L\'Enfer	Chabrol	1994\n88	The Sacrifice	Tarkovsky	1985\n89	A Single Girl	Jacquot	1995\n90	M	Lang	1931\n91	Children of Heaven	Majidi	1997\n92	Where is My Friends Home	Kiarostami	1987\n93	Mauvais Sang	Carax	1986\n94	Il Bidone	Fellini	1955\n95	Live Flesh	Almodóvar	1997\n96	After Life	Koreeda	1998\n97	Tampopo	Itami	1986\n98	The Vanishing	Sluizer	1988\n99	Thesis	Amenabar	1996\n100	Deep Red	Argento	1975&lt;/B&gt;\n\nCheers','bfc462313422e1c96657920ce2387fd1',0,'','hPjbFRru',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3707,755,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1015339790,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gary-2','Re: Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films Lists ...','Sorry, posted the wrong file... here is the corrected version:\n\nRank	Title	Director	Year\n1	In the Mood For Love	Wong Kar-Wai	2000\n2	Mirror	Tarkovsky	1975\n3	Rosetta	Dardenne	1999\n4	Summer	Rohmer	1986\n5	The Passion of Joan of Arc	Dryer	1928\n6	L\'avventura	Antonioni	1960\n7	A Man Escaped	Bresson	1956\n8	Bicycle Thief	de Sica	1948\n9	Cinema Paradiso	Tornatore	1989\n10	Ordet	Dryer	1955\n11	The Umbrellas of Cherbourg	Demy	1964\n12	Children of Paradise	Carne	1945\n13	Vive L\'amour	Tsai	1994\n14	The Scent of Green Papaya	Tran Anh Hung	1993\n15	Beau Pere	Blier	1981\n16	Irma Vep	Assayas	1996\n17	The Lovers on the Bridge	Carax	1991\n18	Nights of Cabiria	Fellini	1957\n19	Autumn Sonata	Bergman	1978\n20	Red	Kieslowski	1994\n21	The Cranes are Flying	Kalatozishvili	1957\n22	Chung King Express	Wong Kar-Wai	1994\n23	Chloe in the Afternoon	Rohmer	1970\n24	Andrei Rublev	Tarkovsky	1969\n25	Diary of a Country Priest	Bresson	1950\n26	A Tale of Winter	Rohmer	1992\n27	Pickpocket	Bresson	1959\n28	L\'Appartement	Mimouni	1996\n29	The Woman Next Door	Truffaut	1981\n30	Il Grido	Antonioni	1957\n31	The 400 Blows	Truffaut	1959\n32	The Aviator\'s Wife	Rohmer	1980\n33	Not One Less	Zhang	1999\n34	High and Low	Kurosawa	1963\n35	The Vertical Ray of the Sun	Tran Anh Hung	2000\n36	Decalogue	Kieslowski	1987\n37	Woman in the Dunes	Teshigahara	1964\n38	El	Buñuel	1952\n39	L\'Humanite	Dumont	1999\n40	Tokyo Story	Ozu	1952\n41	Solaris	Tarkovsky	1972\n42	Mouchette	Bresson	1967\n43	Taste of Cherry	Kiarostami	1997\n44	Seventh Seal	Bergman	1957\n45	Day of Wrath	Dryer	1943\n46	Mother and Son	Sokurov	1997\n47	The Eel	Immamura	1997\n48	King of Masks	Wu Tian-Ming	1996\n49	Jean de Florette	Berri	1986\n50	The Hole	Tsai	1998\n51	8 1/2	Fellini	1963\n52	Stalker	Tarkovsky	1979\n53	The 47 Ronin	Mizoguchi	1941\n54	Under the Sand	Ozon	2000\n55	School of Flesh	Jacquot	1998\n56	Nelly and Monsieur Arnaud	Sautet	1995\n57	Small Change	Truffaut	1976\n58	The Earrings of Madame De…	Ophüls 	1953\n59	Vagabond	Varda	1985\n60	Manon des Sources	Berri	1987\n61	My Night at Mauds	Rohmer	1969\n62	Un coeur en Hiver	Sautet	1993\n63	Pauline at the Beach	Rohmer	1983\n64	Night and Fog	Resnais	1955\n65	Los Olvidados	Buñuel	1950\n66	Days of Being Wild	Wong Kar-Wai	1991\n67	Babette\'s Feast	Axel	1987\n68	Battleship Potemkin	Eisenstein	1925\n69	Mississippi Mermaid	Truffaut	1964\n70	The Double Life of Veronique	Kieslowski	1991\n71	A Good Marriage	Rohmer	1982\n72	The Criminal Life of Archibaldo de la Cruz	Buñuel	1955\n73	Double Suicide	Shinoda	1969\n74	Rebels of the Neon God	Tsai	1992\n75	Cyclo	Tran Anh Hung	1995\n76	L\'ennui	Khan	1998\n77	Boyfriends and Girlfriends	Rohmer	1987\n78	Insomnia	Skjoldbjærg	1997\n79	White	Kieslowski	1994\n80	An Affair of Love	Donteyne	1999\n81	My Life to Live	Godard	1962\n82	That Obscure Object of Desire	Buñuel	1977\n83	La Collectionneuse	Rohmer	1967\n84	Ikiru	Kurosawa	1952\n85	Blood of  Poet	Cocteau	1930\n86	Confidentially Yours	Truffaut	1983\n87	L\'Enfer	Chabrol	1994\n88	The Sacrifice	Tarkovsky	1985\n89	A Single Girl	Jacquot	1995\n90	M	Lang	1931\n91	Children of Heaven	Majidi	1997\n92	Where is My Friends Home	Kiarostami	1987\n93	Mauvais Sang	Carax	1986\n94	Il Bidone	Fellini	1955\n95	Live Flesh	Almodóvar	1997\n96	After Life	Koreeda	1998\n97	Tampopo	Itami	1986\n98	The Vanishing	Sluizer	1988\n99	Thesis	Amenabar	1996\n100	Deep Red	Argento	1975\n','cb2c659f93eef53986997ba6a878835f',0,'','xi1TqD7Z',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3708,755,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1015917553,1,0,1,1,1,1,'shoehorn','Re: Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films Lists ...','Here are some of my favorites though it won\'t equal to 100:\n\nApu Trilogy	\nAu Hasard Balthazar \nLeolo\nDiary of a Country Priest\nOrdet\nThe Great Adventure\nThe Quince Tree Sun\nIkiru\nWild Reeds\nLamerica\nThe Red Balloon\nForbidden Games\nZ\nO Lucky Man\nStolen Children\nLa Promesse				\nDevi						\nGospel According to St. Matthew	\nA Place in the World\nKes\nBoot Polish\nTaste of Cherry			\nThe Long Day Closes\nDreamlife of Angels\nGoodbye South Goodbye\nTrois Couluers - Rouge			\nClose-Up\nA Man Escaped\nColor of Paradise\nWings of Desire\nPixote\nUmberto D\nRaise the Red Lantern\nWoman in the Dunes\nThe Wild Child\nWild Strawberries\nSundays and Cybele\nTaste of Honey\nHe Who Must Die\nThe Wind Will Carry Us\nThe Bicycle Thief\nTherese\nChunhyang\nWhere is the Friend’s Home\nFlowers of Shanghai\nViridiana\nCome and See\nYeelen\nAndrei Rublev\n\n','a8fbeb08d840f6668d31721d7a7f1dc8',0,'','kxy63JhV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3709,755,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1016501790,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films Lists ...','dear gary,\n         i\'m shocked! no renoir unbelievable! also no parajanov, see more films as though it\'s agood list it is light on pre ww2 l\'atalante,balthazar,la regle du jeu,grand illusion,bodou,also have u seen wong kar weis underrated ashes of time i never see it mentioned have u seen it?\nkeep on loving those films man cheers from down-under....chas','68d4408f3fc8a6883497600d6963c9f9',0,'','ZdVuXTKA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3710,755,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1016663695,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films Lists ...','IT IS CLEAR FOR ALL TO SEE THAT YOU ARE A MISERABLE SAD GIT,That is a list of mostly Sad films-you need happiness in your life i suggest you invest in a nice hat and bloddy well smile.','1f8875112ce91ba9deb47fc5d14234c5',0,'','CvrDSc91',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3711,755,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1017778726,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films Lists ...','Favourites not in English:\n 1.Sansho the Bailiff(Mizoguchi)\n 2.Alice in the Cities(Wenders)\n 3.Andrei Rublev(Tarkovsky)\n 4.The Green Ray/Summer(Rohmer)\n 5.Seven Samurai(Kurosawa)\n 6.Abraham Valley(Oliveira)\n 7.Mirror(Tarkovsky)\n 8.Maborosi(Koreeda)\n 9.La Regle du Jeu(Renoir)\n10.Tokyo Story(Ozu)\n11.The Colour of Pomegranates(Paradjanov)\n12.Tales of the Taira Clan(Mizoguchi)\n13.Metropolis(Lang)\n14.Partie de Campagne(Renoir)\n15.Ugetsu(Mizoguchi)\n16.Kings of the Road(Wenders)\n17.Apu Trilogy(Ray)\n18.Eternity and a Day(Angelopoulos)\n19.L\'Atalante(Vigo)\n20.Rosetta(Dardenne bros)\n21.Pierrot le Fou(Godard)\n22.Persona(Bergman)\n23.Claire\'s Knee(Rohmer)\n24.Aguirre Wrath of God(Herzog)\n25.Spirit of the Beehive(Erice)\nAlso;\nCeline and Julie go Boating,The Life of Oharu,Orphee,My Girlfriend\'s Boyfriend,Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon,The Leopard,At the Height of Summer,Hidden Fortress,The Double Life of Veronique,The White Balloon,Madame de,Les Enfants du Paradis,The Passion of Joan of Arc,Ulysses\' Gaze,Man with a Movie Camera,Alexander Nevsky,Chungking Express,8 1/2,Ordet,Hiroshima mon Amour,Red Sorghum,Night of the Shooting Stars,Ai No Corrida,Close Up,Boudu Sauve des Eaux,Marius Trilogy,Lola Montes,Chikamatsu Monogatari,Raise the Red Lantern,Stalker,The Gospel according to St Matthew,Pandora\'s Box,Snow Woman(Kwaidan),Madchen in Uniform,Le Trou,L\'Avventura,Mouchette,A Short Film about Love,My Night with Maud,Senso,La Grande Illusion,Battleship Potemkin,Ivan the Terrible 1&2,In the Mood for Love,The Time to Live and the Time to Die,Nosferatu,Gabbeh...\nIf i carry on to 100 i\'d have difficulty stopping,so this will have to do.No doubt i\'ve accidentally omitted some.Apologies to fans of Truffaut,Bunuel,Chabrol,Almodovar,Tati,Takeshi Kitano..;nothing against them-many fine films by them,just not among my very favourites.Latin America and Africa under-represented as i\'m less familiar with films from there.(Amores Perros,La Frontera,Central Station,Yeelen,Battle of Algiers,Silences of the Palace did impress,though.)Too many absentees from my list i\'ve yet to see.I\'m above all a fan of Mizoguchi and Japanese cinema.\nEnglish language favourites:Paris Texas,Sunrise,North by North West,2001:A Space Odyssey,Some Like it Hot,Letter from an Unknown Woman,Vertigo,The Searchers,The Band Wagon,Casablanca,El Cid,Night of the Hunter,Top Hat,Singin in the Rain,The Shining,The Age of Innocence,Citizen Kane,The General(Keaton),Once upon a Time in America,Apocalypse Now,Manhattan,Lawrence of Arabia,The Gold Rush,The Big Sleep,To Be or Not to Be,The Apartment,Blue Velvet,Brazil,Raging Bull,Miller\'s Crossing,The Red Shoes,Kiss me Deadly,Kind Hearts and Coronets,Dr Strangelove,Marnie,Duck Soup,The Scarlet Empress,Groundhog Day...Not many recent films;i must be an old fogey,or else the standard\'s slipped.','bf86001e868709f686bd788a0cdbf64b',0,'','ag1AqTei',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3712,755,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018597543,1,0,1,1,1,1,'m.santosus','Re: Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films Lists ...','what about seven beauties, swept away, love and anarchy three Lina Wertmuller masterpieces and Visconti\'s The innocent. If you have not seen them you are really missing out.','106e5b47e8f48efe1ea3255c9660092f',0,'','iwQ6v1mY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3713,755,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1021475735,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gary-2','Re: Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films Lists ...','UPDATED for MAY:\n\n\nRank	Title		Director		Year\n1	Rosetta	*	Dardenne	*	1999\n2	In the Mood For Love	*	Wong Kar-Wai	*	2000\n3	Mirror	*	Tarkovsky	*	1975\n4	Jalsaghar	*	Ray	*	1958\n5	Summer	*	Rohmer	*	1986\n6	The Passion of Joan of Arc	*	Dryer	*	1928\n7	L\'avventura	*	Antonioni	*	1960\n8	A Man Escaped	*	Bresson	*	1956\n9	Bicycle Thief	*	de Sica	*	1948\n10	Cinema Paradiso	*	Tornatore	*	1989\n11	Juliet of the Spirits	*	Fellini	*	1965\n12	Ordet	*	Dryer	*	1955\n13	The Umbrellas of Cherbourg	*	Demy	*	1964\n14	Children of Paradise	*	Carne	*	1945\n15	Vive L\'amour	*	Tsai	*	1994\n16	The Scent of Green Papaya	*	Tran Anh Hung	*	1993\n17	Beau Pere	*	Blier	*	1981\n18	Irma Vep	*	Assayas	*	1996\n19	The Lovers on the Bridge	*	Carax	*	1991\n20	Nights of Cabiria	*	Fellini	*	1957\n21	Autumn Sonata	*	Bergman	*	1978\n22	Red	*	Kieslowski	*	1994\n23	The Cranes are Flying	*	Kalatozishvili	*	1957\n24	Chung King Express	*	Wong Kar-Wai	*	1994\n25	Chloe in the Afternoon	*	Rohmer	*	1970\n26	Andrei Rublev	*	Tarkovsky	*	1969\n27	Diary of a Country Priest	*	Bresson	*	1950\n28	A Tale of Winter	*	Rohmer	*	1992\n29	Pickpocket	*	Bresson	*	1959\n30	Comrades: Almost a Love Story	*	Chan	*	1996\n31	L\'Appartement	*	Mimouni	*	1996\n32	The Woman Next Door	*	Truffaut	*	1981\n33	Il Grido	*	Antonioni	*	1957\n34	The 400 Blows	*	Truffaut	*	1959\n35	The Aviator\'s Wife	*	Rohmer	*	1980\n36	Not One Less	*	Zhang	*	1999\n37	High and Low	*	Kurosawa	*	1963\n38	The Vertical Ray of the Sun	*	Tran Anh Hung	*	2000\n39	Decalogue	*	Kieslowski	*	1987\n40	La Promesse	*	Dardenne\'s	*	1996\n41	Woman in the Dunes	*	Teshigahara	*	1964\n42	El	*	Buñuel	*	1952\n43	L\'Humanite	*	Dumont	*	1999\n44	Le Grande Illusion	*	Renoir	*	1937\n45	Tokyo Story	*	Ozu	*	1952\n46	Solaris	*	Tarkovsky	*	1972\n47	Mouchette	*	Bresson	*	1967\n48	Taste of Cherry	*	Kiarostami	*	1997\n49	Seventh Seal	*	Bergman	*	1957\n50	Day of Wrath	*	Dryer	*	1943\n51	Mother and Son	*	Sokurov	*	1997\n52	The Eel	*	Immamura	*	1997\n53	King of Masks	*	Wu Tian-Ming	*	1996\n54	Jean de Florette	*	Berri	*	1986\n55	The Hole	*	Tsai	*	1998\n56	The Circle	*	Panahi	*	2000\n57	8.5	*	Fellini	*	1963\n58	Stalker	*	Tarkovsky	*	1979\n59	Pather Panchali	*	Ray	*	1955\n60	The 47 Ronin	*	Mizoguchi	*	1941\n61	Under the Sand	*	Ozon	*	2000\n62	School of Flesh	*	Jacquot	*	1998\n63	Nelly and Monsieur Arnaud	*	Sautet	*	1995\n64	Small Change	*	Truffaut	*	1976\n65	The Earrings of Madame De…	*	Ophüls	*	1953\n66	Vagabond	*	Varda	*	1985\n67	Manon des Sources	*	Berri	*	1987\n68	My Night at Mauds	*	Rohmer	*	1969\n69	Un coeur en Hiver	*	Sautet	*	1993\n70	Pauline at the Beach	*	Rohmer	*	1983\n71	Night and Fog	*	Resnais	*	1955\n72	Los Olvidados	*	Buñuel	*	1950\n73	Days of Being Wild	*	Wong Kar-Wai	*	1991\n74	Babette\'s Feast	*	Axel	*	1987\n75	Battleship Potemkin	*	Eisenstein	*	1925\n76	Mississippi Mermaid	*	Truffaut	*	1964\n77	The Double Life of Veronique	*	Kieslowski	*	1991\n78	A Good Marriage	*	Rohmer	*	1982\n79	Leila	*	Mehrjui	*	1996\n80	The Criminal Life of Archibaldo de la Cruz	*	Buñuel	*	1955\n81	Double Suicide	*	Shinoda	*	1969\n82	Rebels of the Neon God	*	Tsai	*	1992\n83	Cyclo	*	Tran Anh Hung	*	1995\n84	L\'ennui	*	Khan	*	1998\n85	Boyfriends and Girlfriends	*	Rohmer	*	1987\n86	Insomnia	*	Skjoldbjærg	*	1997\n87	White	*	Kieslowski	*	1994\n88	An Affair of Love	*	Donteyne	*	1999\n89	Love Letter	*	Iwai	*	1995\n90	That Obscure Object of Desire	*	Buñuel	*	1977\n91	La Collectionneuse	*	Rohmer	*	1967\n92	Ikiru	*	Kurosawa	*	1952\n93	Blood of  Poet	*	Cocteau	*	1930\n94	Confidentially Yours	*	Truffaut	*	1983\n95	L\'Enfer	*	Chabrol	*	1994\n96	The Sacrifice	*	Tarkovsky	*	1985\n97	A Single Girl	*	Jacquot	*	1995\n98	M	*	Lang	*	1931\n99	Children of Heaven	*	Majidi	*	1997\n100	Where is My Friends Home	*	Kiarostami	*	1987\n	Mauvais Sang		Carax	*	1986\n	Il Bidone		Fellini	*	1955\n	Live Flesh		Almodóvar	*	1997\n	After Life		Koreeda	*	1998\n	Tampopo		Itami	*	1986\n	The Vanishing		Sluizer		1988\n	Thesis		Amenabar		1996\n	Deep Red		Argento		1975\n','dc41867bba8cd811a0d8b7c00d293eb4',0,'','bV6QUMRC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3714,755,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1021929667,1,0,1,1,1,1,'danny_israel66','Re: Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films Lists ...','Pickpocket,Conformista,Sommaren Mit Monika,Alexander Nyevski,Battaglia D\'Alger,Le Samourai,Charulata,Ju Dou,Persona,Novocento(1900),A Bout de Souffle,Shishinin no Samurai, Ran,Central Do Brasil,Z,Sommarnateens Leende(Smiles of a summer night),L\'Annee Derniere a Marienbad,\nFitzcarraldo,Souffle Au Couer,Ladri di Bicyclette (Bicycle Thieves),Lashou Shentan (Hard Boiled),Otto E Mezzo (8 and a half),Sansho Dayu,Umberto D, Rocco e i suoi fratelli (Rocco and his Brothers),Sayat Noya (Colour of Pomegranates),\nPierrot Le Fou,Aguirre: Des zorn Gautes, Le Weekend,Le Doulos,Bob Le Flambeur,Ai Na Corrida,L\'Atalante,L\'Avventura,\nOrdet,Ashik Kerib,Accattone,I Raconti de Canterbury,\nWoyzeck,Amerikanische Soldat,Angst essen seele auf(Fear Eats the Soul),Napoleon,Vacances des Mr Hulots,Boudu Sauve Des Eaux,Brosonets Potyemkin,La Haine,Tiempo de Morir,Los Olvidadas,Charme Discret de la Bourgeoise,Carne Tremula (Live Flesh),La Chinoise,Passion de Jeanne D\'Arc,Lancelot du Lac,Koroshi do rakuin (Branded to Kill),Samma no Aji (An Autumn Afternoon),Gente de Universal,Viridiana,\nTristana,Amerikanische Freund,Zero de Conduite,Belle de Jour,Partie de Compagne,Regle du Jeu,Tres Fratelli,Turks Fruit,Stachko (Strike),Solyaris,Ivan Grosni pt 1,Offret,Zerkalo(Mirror),{Can\'t be bothered to do them in original languages or in order anymore}In The Mood For Love,Fallen Angels,Through a Glass Darkly,Raise the Red Lantern,Germany Year Zero,Rome Open City,Touch of Zen,\nGospel According to Mathew,Theorem,Rashomon,Sans Soleil,\nA Man Escaped,Virgin Spring,Jalsaghar,Pather Panchali,World of Apu,Salaam Bombay,Nikita,Femme Infidel La,Trois Coleurs Rouge,Kanal,Knife in the Water,Providence,Amelie,Taxi,\nProces de Jeanne D\'Arc,Un Flic,La Dolce Vita,Amarcord,\nShort Film About Killing,Short Film About Love\n','ffa6b072f7f21aebb942fe4b3bcc2557',0,'','o1hBGTFf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3715,755,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024373122,1,0,1,1,1,1,'idaho','Re: Personal Top 100 Foreign Language Films Lists ...','My top 100, mostly foreign, but i\'m too lazy to compile a foreign only list :)\n\n0001. L\' Avventura - Michaelangelo Antonioni \n0002. La Grande Illusion - Jean Renoir \n0003. Andrei Rublev - Andrei Tarkovsky \n0004. Dersu Uzala - Akira Kurosawa \n0005. The Virgin Spring - Ingmar Bergman \n0006. 2001: A Space Odyssey - Stanley Kubrick \n0007. Woman In The Dunes - Hiroshi Teshigahara \n0008. Red Desert - Michaelangelo Antonioni \n0009. Swept Away... - Lina Wertmueller \n0010. Mirror - Andrei Tarkovsky \n0011. The Seven Samurai - Akira Kurosawa \n0012. Beauty And The Beast - Jean Cocteau \n0013. Viridiana - Luis Bunuel \n0014. Stalker - Andrei Tarkovsky \n0015. The Passion Of Joan Of Arc - Carl Theodor Dreyer \n0016. The Seventh Seal - Ingmar Bergman \n0017. L\' Eclisse - Michaelangelo Antonioni \n0018. The 400 Blows - Francois Truffault \n0019. The Conformist - Bernardo Bertolucci \n0020. Pickpocket - Robert Bresson \n0021. Persona - Ingmar Bergman \n0022. La Dolce Vita - Federico Fellini \n0023. Solaris - Andrei Tarkovsky \n0024. L\'Atalante - Jean Vigo \n0025. The Wages Of Fear - Henri-Georges Clouzot \n0026. Aguirre, The Wrath Of God - Werner Herzog \n0027. Sunset Boulevard - Billy Wilder \n0028. Rashomon - Akira Kurosawa \n0029. Barry Lyndon - Stanley Kubrick \n0030. The Ninth Configuration - William Peter Blatty \n0031. La Notte - Michaelangelo Antonioni \n0032. Wild Strawberries - Ingmar Bergman \n0033. Last of the Mohicans - Michael Mann \n0034. Vertigo - Alfred Hitchcock \n0035. Sawdust and Tinsel - Ingmar Bergman \n0036. The World Of Apu - Satyajit Ray \n0037. That Obscure Object of Desire - Luis Bunuel \n0038. Children of Paradise - Marcel Carne \n0039. Throne Of Blood - Akira Kurosawa \n0040. Paths Of Glory - Stanley Kubrick \n0041. Day Of Wrath - Carl Theodor Dreyer \n0042. Ikiru - Akira Kurosawa \n0043. Nights of Cabiria - Federico Fellini \n0044. Shane - George Stevens \n0045. The Last Temptation Of Christ - Martin Scorsese \n0046. Deliverance - John Boorman \n0047. Bitter Moon - Roman Polanski \n0048. Los Olvidados - Luis Bunuel \n0049. Psycho- Alfred Hitchcock \n0050. 8 1/2 - Federico Fellini \n0051. The Hustler - Robert Rossen \n0052. Touch Of Evil - Orson Welles \n0053. The Rules Of The Game - Jean Renoir \n0054. Greed - Erich von Stroheim \n0055. The Gold Rush - Charles Chaplin \n0056. Nazarin - Luis Bunuel \n0057. Seconds - John Frankenheimer \n0058. Blade Runner - Ridley Scott \n0059. Ran - Akira Kurosawa \n0060. Heavenly Creatures - Peter Jackson \n0061. The Hidden Fortress - Akira Kurosawa \n0062. Until The End Of The World - Wim Wenders \n0063. Dr. Strangelove - Stanley Kubrick \n0064. Raging Bull - Martin Scorsese \n0065. Full Metal Jacket - Stanley Kubrick \n0066. The Sacrifice - Andrei Tarkovsky \n0067. The Deer Hunter - Michael Cimino \n0068. Angel Heart - Alan Parker \n0069. Orpheus - Jean Cocteau \n0070. Taxi Driver - Martin Scorsese \n0071. Ugetsu Monogatari - Kenji Mizoguchi \n0072. Anatahan - Josef von Sternberg \n0073. Breathless - Jean-Luc Godard \n0074. The Exterminating Angel - Luis Bunuel \n0075. The Man Who Would Be King - John Huston \n0076. Rear Window - Alfred Hitchcock \n0077. Chinatown - Roman Polanski \n0078. In Cold Blood - Richard Brooks \n0079. Through a Glass Darkly - Ingmar Bergman \n0080. Il Grido - Michaelangelo Antonioni \n0081. Fitzcarraldo - Werner Herzog \n0082. Ordet - Carl Theodor Dreyer \n0083. Amarcord - Federico Fellini \n0084. Three Colors: Red - Krzysztof Kieslowski \n0085. Sanjuro - Akira Kurosawa \n0086. Diary Of A Country Priest - Robert Bresson \n0087. Les Diaboliques - Henri-Georges Clouzot \n0088. The Gospel According to St. Matthew - Pier Paolo Pasolini \n0089. Fanny And Alexander - Ingmar Bergman \n0090. The Parallax View - Alan J. Pakula \n0091. The Big Sleep - Howard Hawks \n0092. Lawrence Of Arabia - David Lean \n0093. Apocalypse Now - Francis Ford Copolla \n0094. Nineteen Eighty-Four - Michael Radford \n0095. Black Narcissus - Powell & Pressburger \n0096. Meetings with Remarkable Men - Peter Brook \n0097. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre - Tobe Hooper \n0098. Shoot The Piano Player - Francois Truffault \n0099. Zero for Conduct - Jean Vigo \n0100. Alphaville - Jean-Luc Godard \n','55d080147e82f2e7ffc67a45f3a1faec',0,'','KhM0EUTw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3716,756,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1017620373,1,0,1,1,1,1,'rgplaza','Is the Top 100 list working properly?','\nJus one example: 2001: A space odyssey, has a user rating of 8.54/10 (74 votes), and it\'s not included in the Top 100, which includes films like The Eel (1997) - 8.00 (25 votes), in number 98. There must be something wrong with the list.','4a6d57c143db9334f34b3319a86143d2',0,'','0Lt7Zbgj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3717,756,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1017665074,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jason-3','Re: Is the Top 100 list working properly?','To explain: we\'re beginning to exclude some big-budget English-language films that are US co-productions. This would include 2001, as most users do not consider this a \"foreign\" film. I realize it\'s a thin line we\'re walking here. A clear set of rules will be created and published on the Web site soon.  Cheers.','8b549d51db2d34af7be71b7e926b1f3b',0,'','ml7P3NZ9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3718,757,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018094291,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Best Indian Films?','What are the best-ever Indian Films?Here are my suggestions(some i\'ve seen,some i\'ve only read about),arranged by director:\nSatyajit Ray:Apu Trilogy.Charualata.The Music Room.Days and Nights in the Forest.Home and the World.\nGhatak:Cloud-Capped Star.A River called Titash.Reason,Debate and a Tale.Ajantrik.\nDutt:Pyaasa.Paper Flowers.\nNair:Monsoon Wedding.Salaam Bombay.\nAmrohi:Pakeezah.\nSen:Bhuvan Shome\nBenegal:Junoon.The Seedling.\nMehbob Khan:Mother India\nKarnad:The Forest\nGowariker:Lagaan\nDamle,Fattelal:Sant Tukaram\nSippy:Sholay\nBarua:Devdas\nRaj Kapoor:Awara.Bobby.\nAsif:Mughal-e-Azam\nShekhar Kapoor:Bandit Queen\nChopra:Dilwale Dulhaniya le Jayenge\nShahani:Tarang.\nRoy:Two Acres of Land.\nJohar:Kuch Kuch Hota Hai\nMehta:Fire.Earth\nComments/observations/other suggestions please.I\'d be particularly interested in any views on Cloud-Capped Star(1960)by Ritwik Ghatak,which our local Film Society in Wales screened recently,and which polarised opinion.It\'s regarded by many critics as a classic,but several in the audience thought it the worst film we\'ve shown.I thought it was visually brilliant but could understand the irritation with the brother\'s singing(it had the guy next to me grimacing)and the less subtle acting.\nFrom the films i\'ve seen,i\'d have to say the Apu Trilogy(1955-9)deserves its reputation as India\'s best.Sholay(1975)and Mother India(1956)were huge successes.Guru Dutt\'s Pyaasa(1957)is apparently one of the very best.I enjoyed Monsoon Wedding(2001,Venice Golden Lion)more as it went on;extremely colourful and deeper than first impressions led me to expect.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n','b4d71b03116451d9ee0b261599356983',0,'','j65LprXm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3719,757,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018482758,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pddillon','Re: Best Indian Films?','well not sure which are best but i do know that the terrorist from india wasnt not what i thought it was going to be,I rated it poor.','187354878f007c1a0cf290009bfdff97',0,'','z8DFsvTN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3720,757,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1071097261,1,0,1,1,1,1,'emailcharu2003','Re: Best Indian Films?','There is one more movie that I loved.  Its called \'Ijaazat\'.  Its a Gulzar movie starring Rekha and Nasrudeen Shah.','4bdcb9b47c69c33186475b51eb57de51',0,'','SJ6cd1k3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3721,757,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1072067294,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx1','Re: Best Indian Films?','I am finding it odd that I am the only person I know that can\'t stand Bollywood garbage.  The films are far too formulaic, long, and irritating.  As for the rest I say go with Ray, and my personal favorite of his would be the Middleman.','81145df348b1e227e5daea760f347f33',0,'','fBGqdEtg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3722,758,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018553560,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Best Japanese films','I particularly love Mizoguchi and Japanese cinema.So would like to list &gt;60 essential films(quite a few i\'ve not seen,i must admit).My 10 favourites are asterisked:\nMizoguchi:Sansho the Bailiff*,Ugetsu Monogatari*,Story of the Late Chrysanthemums,The Life of Oharu*,Tales of the Taira Clan*,Sisters of the Gion,Chikamatsu Monogatari,The Loyal 47 Ronin,Yang Kwei Fei.\nKurosawa:Seven Samurai*,Rashomon,Ran,Throne of Blood,Yojimbo,Ikiru,Hidden Fortress*,High and Low,Dersu Uzala,Kagemusha\nOzu:Tokyo Story*,Late Spring,I was Born But,Early Summer,An Autumn Afternoon,Early Spring\nOshima:Ai no Corrida*,Death by Hanging,The Ceremony,Night and Fog in Japan\nImamura:The Ballad of Narayama,The Eel,Vengeance is Mine,Profound Desire of the Gods,Intentions of Murder\nIchikawa:The Burmese Harp,Fires on the Plain,An Actor\'s Revenge,Enjo\nKitano:Sonatine,Hana-Bi,Kikujiro\nMiyazaki:My Neighbour Totoro,Princess Mononoke,Laputa;Castles in the Air\nNaruse:Floating Clouds,Wife be Like a Rose,Repast\nKobayashi:Kwaidan*,The Human Condition\nKoreeda:Maborosi*,After Life\nKinugasa:Page of Madness,Gate of Hell\nNakata:Ring\nTeshigahara:Woman of the Dunes\nShindo:Onibaba\nShinoda:Double Suicide\nKinoshita:Twenty Four Eyes\nYamanaka:Humanity and Paper Balloons\nItami:Tampopo\nTakahata:Grave of the Fireflies\nMiike:Audition\nAoyama:Eureka\nOtomo:Akira\nSuzuki:Tokyo Drifter\nAnd Resnais\' Hiroshima Mon Amour might count?\nWhich other films should i have included?Have i got the number of films per director about right?Opinions on the best/worst of those i\'ve listed would be appreciated(No doubt Kurosawa will do well?).','c97b92741374c18737f736b2196cac47',0,'','XqSlia24',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3723,758,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1029652371,1,0,1,1,1,1,'rmf2001br','Re: Best Japanese films','Hi \n\nI agree with your list, though I didn´t see many of the films you wrote down.\n\nYou forgot to add, in my opinion:\nShohei Imamura´s Insect Woman: the second best japanese film I saw\nAkira Kurosawa´s Ikiru (to live): the best japanese film I´ve ever seen in my life. Just forgive me, but I don´t consider Seven samurai the best Kurosawa´s... (though I like this film too, of course)\n\nBy the way, can I ask you a question? Where did you see these films: twenty-four eyes, humanity and paper balloons, page of madness, the ceremony, death by hanging, night and fog in Japan and profound desire of the gods? I´ve been looking for them (and other rare japanese films) for a long time and I just didn´t find them!\n','2c3b3fa14b4fbe3e71817bb9b4012d34',0,'','GLZVCTHh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3724,758,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1029670409,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jason-3','Re: Best Japanese films','Have you seen Gion bayashi (aka A Geisha)? It\'s an excellent film but rather hard to find. Mizoguchi is one of the greatest filmmakers of all time. It\'s a shame that so few of his films are available on DVD.','b1cab38f11d28316db4a0d8737b1230c',0,'','JQesrZzC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3725,758,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1030754838,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bjornam','Re: Best Japanese films','Would like to add:\nEureka, Shinji Aoyama, 2000.\n\nWhat are your opinions on this one?','760f4c81c47ff1545dc52464d3333ac7',0,'','BgHvfF8t',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3726,758,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032167965,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Best Japanese films','rmf2001br; i did include Ikiru. I should see it again, as i don\'t think i gave it proper respect and attention when i saw it some years back. Some of the films i haven\'t seen- i think i said this- but have included from my reading on the subject. There was a limited season of Mizoguchi films, including 3 unavailable on video/dvd, which did the rounds in Britain. Unfortunately i didn\'t get to see A Geisha; i was told, incorrectly, they would be coming out on video, so didn\'t make the 90 mile round trip for it. Occasionally some films have popped up on TV here, which are otherwise inaccessible. I remember Channel 4 started off in the early 80\'s with a season of Japanese films. Some films (a minority) not on video can be obtained for screening- for instance as we\'ve done at our film society. I understand Imamura\'s Ballad of Narayama is to be released on dvd next year.\n\nbjornam; Eureka (which i did include) is a tremendous film, imo. Worth an asterisk.\n\nInsect Woman; point taken. I\'ve not seen it, but have noticed it\'s cropped up in a couple of critics\' top 10 lists recently. \n\n2 recommended books; Japanese Film directors, by Audie Bock. A little outdated now, but still essential coverage of the great names- detailed sections on 10 directors. Also A Hundred Years of Japanese Film (2002) by Donald Richie.\n\nI\'m particularly looking forward to seeing Miyazaki\'s animated Spirited Away, which has had raves. \n\nSo many great films- a splendid tradition! I\'m very interested in the subject but i\'m absolutely not an expert.I\'d be delighted if greater accessibility of the films in the West gave me the opportunity to be!','fc2e51ef89fb327a01518cb3a9cb2d6a',0,'','jmNRc5Ev',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3727,758,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032452095,1,0,1,1,1,1,'catalao','Re: Best Japanese films','Should add Miike\'s Ichi the Killer. Maybe not a masterpiece but interesting for all addicts of japanese films','4a92c4b45f372716b699725ccc41103c',0,'','LC2DU8N4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3728,758,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033642421,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Best Japanese films','To sum up, pretty much anything by Miyazaki (anime master), Ozu, Mizoguchi, and Kurosawa.','a207feb5ce3b285984484fa8668074a5',0,'','rFd7VDmq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3729,759,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018711815,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great directors\' 10 best films:Kurosawa','Kurosawa\'s best?\nRashomon\nIkiru\nSeven Samurai\nThrone of Blood\nHidden Fortress\nYojimbo\nHigh and Low\nDersu Uzala\nKagemusha\nRan\nAlso;Stray Dog,Sanjuro,Red Beard..','aba87b3111e4c96fde77b6e5fcebdd69',0,'','nN8F37MQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3730,759,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067994017,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx1','Re: Great directors\' 10 best films:Kurosawa','I\'m surprised that this is still virgin territory.  Since I have recently watched Rashomon (again) I feel fresh for this ranking.\n1. Ran\n2. Seven Samurai\n3. Throne of Blood\n4. Ikiru\n5. Yojimbo\n6. Rashomon\n7. The Lower Depths\n8. High and Low\n9. Red Beard\n10. Drunken Angel','4dbfc64d3ec9ea7130cb0f3b6e6cf482',0,'','LpPEY1FN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3731,759,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068060917,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Great directors\' 10 best films:Kurosawa','In no particular order:\nSeven Samurai\nYojimbo\nDersu Uzala\nStray Dog\nIkiru\nHidden Fortress\nRashomon\nThrone of Blood\nDrunken Angel\nHigh and Low\n\nHave yet to watch Red Beard.....I hear it\'s great as well','3457c930307ffb0e603555467273ac06',0,'','XEwYi1gm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3732,759,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068158264,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great directors\' 10 best films:Kurosawa','Red Beard is a film of humanity and surprising delicacy, and i should certainly have put it in the 10- replacing Kagemusha perhaps.   ','32fb2e3b4c57a20428732e3a146c4f28',0,'','wLTiCnbD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3733,759,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068869021,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Great directors\' 10 best films:Kurosawa','My favourites are Seven Samurai, Rashomon, Throne of Blood, Hidden Fortress, Ran and Kagemusha. I challenge anyone to watch one of those film and not come away amazed. I didn\'t care for Dersu Uzala. It had some great moments, but I found the whole film a bit...well, boring to be honest. ','7deb4a3b5319ee93ab3747dc51c7c693',0,'','joDt01fL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3734,759,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1069067682,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: Great directors\' 10 best films:Kurosawa','I tend to like Kurosawa\'s more flawed work, like Ikiru, Red Beard or Dersu Uzala. They strike me as his most humanistic films. \n\nDersu Uzala is one of his best films, I\'ve said it until I\'m blue in the face, but it\'s rare that anyone agrees with me. It\'s not Kurosawa most accessible film, because of its plot and structure, but its thematics were deeply important to him -- Kurosawa\'s love for nature and the noble spirit of Dersu Uzala, and his persistent struggle between humanism & friendship and the belief that human nature is easily corruptible. A beautiful film about friendship, which leads inadvertently to one of the great tragedies in Kurosawa\'s cinema. \n\nI also love the final dream in Dreams, with Chishu Ryu. ','093c60f706432bd3a993735467302685',0,'','7XFDk6CS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3735,759,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1069077994,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Great directors\' 10 best films:Kurosawa','I admire the themes raised in Derzu Uzala. It just doesn\'t hit me on a gut level.','64a7f510cacc8ce83f443adb794c1573',0,'','oEzQAn7b',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3736,759,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1069098201,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Macheath','Re: Great directors\' 10 best films:Kurosawa','My top ten AK:\n\nSeven Samurai\nRashomon\nRan\nThrone Of Blood\nStray Dog\nIkiru\nHigh And Low\nYojimbo\nRed Beard\nHidden Fortress\n\nDersu Uzala is indeed a wonderful film, and I\'d agree with all the praise from others.  It\'s just not a film I want to see over and over again, like the above 10.','856ae78670765473a006bef38f971fb9',0,'','FQ1kLAxh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3737,760,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018712054,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' best 10 films:Renoir','Renoir\'s 10 best?\nLa Chienne\nBoudu Sauve des Eaux\nLe Crime de Monsieur Lange\nPartie de Campagne\nLa Grande Illusion\nLa Bete Humaine\nLa Regle du Jeu\nThe River\nThe Golden Coach\nFrench Can-Can\nAlso:La Nuit du Carrefour,Toni,The Southerner..','511c2a794485e9b0d0e90e19b3d734b2',0,'','9UNwl3gV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3738,760,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020307164,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Great Directors\' best 10 films:Renoir','it is hard to argue with those selections ,though toni & the southener were stiff to miss out .all in all the right choice.isn\'t the river an underrated film? gets better every time i see it.for me renoir will always be the greatest.la regle du jeu is incomparable!\ncheers from downunder. ','6d610d68930331945331f6672681e86b',0,'','e69SZELz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3739,760,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035152758,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great Directors\' best 10 films:Renoir','In order:\n\n1/  The Rules Of The Game\n2/  Grand Illusion\n3/  La Bete Humaine\n4/  La Chienne\n5/  Boudu Saved From Drowning\n6/  The Golden Coach\n7/  Elena And Her Men\n8/  The River\n9/  The Lower Depths\n10/  The Crimes Of Monsieur Lange','1212085559484fbc55d4e0320ded1c38',0,'','sgzASD95',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3740,761,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018712334,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bunuel','Un Chien Andalou\nL\'Age d\'Or\nLos Olvidados\nEl\nViridiana\nExterminating Angel\nBelle de Jour\nTristana\nThe Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie\nPhantom of Liberty\nAlso:Land without Bread,Nazarin,That Obscure Object of Desire...\n','5c431be892feed9cb04419f6ab9f4e9e',0,'','WdnJSBm2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3741,761,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035012121,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bunuel','In Order:\n\n1/  VIRIDIANA\n2/  UN CHIEN ANDALOU\n3/  NAZARIN\n4/  THE EXTERMINATING ANGEL\n5/  L\'AGE D\'OR\n6/  SIMON OF THE DESERT\n7/  TRISTANA\n8/  BELLE DU JOUR\n9/  THE YOUNG ONE\n10/  THE DISCREET CHARM OF THE BOURGEOISIE\n\nmost underrated:  THE GREAT MADCAP and WUTHERING HEIGHTS','46aaebc99eb943e087767eceb68f8bf1',0,'','EJWR0KUm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3742,761,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035138922,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bunuel','Oh yeah!\n\nDon\'t waste you time with A WOMAN IN LOVE, unless you rent from my store, then I\'d have to say that it\'s \"THE BEST FILM EVER MADE\"','1c98a7761f7bf9c070eb64d729e1347b',0,'','JoyKg2Dv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3743,761,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045826453,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bunuel','\"Wuthering Heights\" is another rare Bunuel film, and really good too if you can get your claws on it\n\nBelle de Jour\nTristiana\nThe Exterminating Angel\nThat Obscure Object of Desire\nThe Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoise\nVirdiania\nDiary of a Chambermaid\nThe life of Archibaldo de la Cruz\nUn Chien Andalou\nThe Phantom of Liberty','1f09c5bc198ac79700cb74eedbaba56a',0,'','kijb61RM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3744,761,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068366106,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx1','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bunuel','Yet another director ignored in the world of DVD.\n1. The Exterminating Angel\n2. Los Olvidados\n3. Belle du Jour\n4. Un Chien Andalou\n5. L\'Age D\'Or\n6. Nazarin\n7. Tristana \n8. Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie\n9. Viridiana\n10. El \nMy list isn\'t as accurate as I would like, but some of his films aren\'t easy to come by.','b6feb24d32122ae6f4a9a98e38fdfeec',0,'','v3JGR27T',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3745,762,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018712637,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\'10 best films:Bergman','Bergman\'s best 10?\nSmiles of a Summer Night\nThe Seventh Seal\nWild Strawberries\nThe Magician\nThe Silence\nPersona\nShame\nCries and Whispers\nAutumn Sonata\nFanny and Alexander\nAlso;Sawdust and Tinsel,The Virgin Spring,Through a Glass Darkly,Winter Light,Scenes from a Marriage...','4ad6f15287701628aa0b11e7a4ccb949',0,'','JXlnk0b3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3746,762,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018969577,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Bergman','Monika is at the top of my list.','fd624b96316edc3b098a88e4323cc63b',0,'','kXJRc87Q',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3747,762,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020467623,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hindimiddle','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Bergman','Appreciation of his work may change by reading his autobiography, knowing that he is especially personal\n\n1 Hour of the wolf\n2 Persona\n3 cries and whispers\n4 the seventh seal\n5 the passion of anna\n6 autumn sonata\n7 scenes from a marriage\n8 the magic flute\n9 Fanny and Alexander\n10 winterlight','2c7e5e6402562e33e7789f5a6a85d73a',0,'','seCErNKu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3748,762,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020727843,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mr. West','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Bergman','I was on a big Bergman kick about 5 years ago, but there are still a couple that really stand out for me (in chronological order):\n\n1. The Devil\'s Eye\n2. The Rite\n3. Cries and Whispers\n4. Scenes from a Marriage\n5. Autumn Sonata\n6. From the Life of the Marionettes\n\nAnd here\'s a few weak ones:\n\n1. The Touch -- This one comes from my favorite Bergman era, but it just doesn\'t work.\n\n2. Fanny and Alexander -- Sorry, there are hundreds of directors out there who\'ve made movies like this one.\n \n3. Monika -- Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz','70169aa4cb138cb1e754e971e8b78cd1',0,'','f2jo35SK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3749,762,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1021169318,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mr. West','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Bergman','By the way, you all should check out \'The Rite\' if you haven\'t seen it yet.  If you like the sort of religious angst you find in \'Seventh Seal\' and \'Winter Light,\' \'The Rite\' is a winner.  Bergman even has a short cameo appearance as a Catholic priest listening to a confession!  Anders Ek gives a fiery performance (quite literally, in one scene).  ','cb06edc75f4affaf78ddc9368e3f6fa4',0,'','FCWlY7aX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3750,762,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033643345,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Bergman','Bergman saved my soul.\n\nPersona\nSeventh Seal\nWild Strawberries\nCries & Whispers\nAutumn Sonata\nThe Hour of the Wolf\nSmiles of a Summer Night\nThe Virgin Spring\nMonika\nThe Magician','2a2a88e38da5cccf469a034b43d81e38',0,'','lEJ5f2cr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3751,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018713018,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','Hitchcock\'s 10 best?\nThe 39 Steps\nThe Lady Vanishes\nRebecca\nNotorious\nRear Window\nVertigo\nNorth by North West\nPsycho\nThe Birds\nMarnie\nAlso:Blackmail,Foreign Correspondent,Suspicion,Shadow of a Doubt,Spellbound,Strangers on a Train.(Yes,i know Marnie may be the most surprising but i happen to think it\'s his most underrated.) ','7018750e14d2c6b588f0fff5bf92f664',0,'','93l1ACcB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3752,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024898013,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','I think I\'ve mentioned before that Young and Innocent is also underrated. But a Hitch list is not so hard, huh? Although I\'ve heard rumblings about the strengths of The Paradine Case (will check this out and post back an opinion). The Trouble With Harry remains fixed in my head. Foreign Correspondent drives me nuts: windmills, how can you not love them?','3fb8a9a9286fe56d8f1b149c70a3e023',0,'','ncEgiAYf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3753,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024898109,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','Spellbound is loathesome. I\'m not sure if it\'s worse than Rich and Strange, but the only saving grace is the POV gun shot (which is utterly ridiculous).','02331c3972c69caca8d8e7fc149acba7',0,'','rz6hg95A',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3754,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1025226526,1,0,1,1,1,1,'saji1986','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','1. Vertigo\n2. Rear Window\n3. Rebecca\n4. Notorious\n5. North By Northwest\n6. The 39 Steps\n7. Shadow of a Doubt\n8. The Lady Vanishes\n9. Strangers on a Train\n10. Dial M for Murder','57c23ebfd4033feaff9ed9bbecaffc0e',0,'','t0pilBuY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3755,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1026159854,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jasonrichardsmith','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','I cannot believe no one included \"Rope.\"  What the hell is wrong with you people.','6c0191a74f1b260b91f3f07e4f7def40',0,'','o8cAs1bX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3756,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033643120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','My 10 personal favs:\n\nVertigo\nPsycho\nShadow of a Doubt\nSaboteur\nRear Window\nDial M for Murder\nThe Man Who Knew too Much\nSpellbound\nNotorious\nTo Catch a Thief','31f268949d2393013b9ed427c4f58897',0,'','ezLaK7hR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3757,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034952743,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','In order\n1/  VERTIGO\n2/  SHADOW OF A DOUBT\n3/  THE LADY VANISHES\n4/  STRANGERS ON A TRAIN\n5/  NOTORIOUS\n6/  NORTH BY NORTHWEST\n7/  THE LODGER\n8/  MARNIE\n9/  FRENZY\n10/  THE 39 STEPS','8d74a2292db8fc36f6fdc0ba8004ff66',0,'','APB96MYg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3758,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035997782,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','in order, i guess:\n\nVertigo\nPsycho\nThe Birds\nNorth by Northwest\nRear Window\nThe Lady Vanishes\nRebecca\nNotorious\nMarnie\nThe Trouble with Harry','a5b006e3d02aec3f74219873ae247bd6',0,'','rmJxf5Ms',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3759,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036178027,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','1-North By Northwest\n\n2-Notorius\n\n3-39 Steps\n\n4-Rebecca\n\n5-Strangers on a Train\n\nand as much as people praise Vertigo I don\'t like it much, it\'s Jammie Stweard, I just don\'t like him at all nor Kim Novak either! I dunno why!\n\n','0f390b40ea800937f436d94161b0feaf',0,'','098JnBT6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3760,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036199967,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','Here you go, gentlemen (and in preferential order no less):\n\n1.  Vertigo\n2.  Rear Window\n3.  The Wrong Man\n4.  Shadow of a Doubt\n5.  Rope\n6.  Psycho\n7.  Sabotage\n8.  North by Northwest\n9.  Frenzy\n10.  Family Plot\n\nI\'ll admit that the last few of these are fairly unprincipled choices.  I think they\'re quite good, but I can\'t say that they wouldn\'t be replaced by something else on another day.  \n\nBy the way, I think the first two of these stand head-and-shoulders above the rest.\n\nI only have one question for the lot of you:  Do you really think that Rebecca is that good?  I admit it\'s eminently watchable, and it\'s hard not to take great pleasure in watching the preternaturally cute Joan Fontaine, but is there really that much going on here?  Maybe I\'m just constitutionally incapable of appreciating any work prefaced by the words \"A David O. Selznick Production.\"  (Spellbound, anyone?  The Paradine Case?  Need I say more?)\n\nHere\'s a bonus Hitchcock list for you.  I haven\'t seen every Hitchcock, and I have a sense that given what I haven\'t seen yet, this list may be growing some in the near future.  Let\'s call this The Execrable List:\n\n1.  The Paradine Case (I told you I disliked Selznick.)\n2.  Spellbound  (Ditto, although this one gets a bit of a boost from the Bergman performance, or maybe I was just disposed to find the experience more pleasurable, since her presence brought to mind her Rossellini films.)\n3.  Number 17  (I saw it in a bad print, but if it was worth seeing, something more would have gotten through to me.)\n4.  Topaz  (Not execrable really, but I didn\'t think a list of three items was really worth posting.  But four--now that\'s something.) \n','3b7384472fb7205e585bfca9e8a5f5c1',0,'','fMnyKx7e',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3761,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036881964,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','to wvq:\n\nOhh...poor REBECCA!  She gets no respect from some people...especially me!\n\nSPELLBOUND...It\'s a miracle this film is as good as it is with Peck\'s patented wooden performance standing out like a sore thumb.  Thank the movie gods for Bergman.  \n\nPARADINE CASE - Worthless...in fact...I\'d watched TOPAZ and TORN CURTAIN again before I\'d watch this piece of...My idea of hell is watching this film over and over again for eternity\n\nNice to see FRENZY and FAMILY PLOT on your list.  I admire the former, and the latter is one of my favourites (just not one of his BESTS)','e3a3d2fb7c0fef1f14adb1c81db670d4',0,'','0qrZdspt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3762,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1037383278,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','I agree with the Spellbound assessment but I still like the idiocy of the enlarged prop. The Paradine Case has at least one of the less exuberant performances of Laughton, a thespian I often loathe. He personifies well the hideous evil that Hitch likes dish out, and he does it mainly by appearing smug. Heh. I like Joan Fontaine, perhaps more so in Suspicion than Rebecca. Suspicion is probably a great example of how problematic it is to dismiss a Hitch film. It may well fail to obtain a desirable narrative outcome (what were they thinking?) but other elements (the abstract painting, the cobweb lighting, the link with female hysteria and domestic paranoia) come forward and remain interesting. If I had to choose one that I cannot appreciate on any level it\'s Jamaica Inn. I\'d like to know why Selznick irks you so. I haven\'t read his biography, so limited knowledge. I figure him as a workaholic with so-so taste in translating literature to film but also as the prototype for the quasi-intellectual Hollywood producer of which we now have...I don\'t know, Saul Zaentz? Laura Ziskin? Or...could it be...Harvey? :)','c9bf26e820d8f3eb5cac146f78d4a816',0,'','iQ1Stybe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3763,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1037399370,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','Oh, I don\'t have any personal animus against the man or anything.  I just go on the evidence of what\'s there on the screen.  \n\nI suppose Rebecca and Duel in the Sun aren\'t so bad.  But we\'re supposed to be the snobs here, right?  Aren\'t we supposed to despise middle-brow pseudo-profundity and pseudo-intellectualism and all?  You know, we love what is great but esoteric and well-nigh unfathomable, and sometimes we love what is taken to be awful but is really great (or at least competent).  But we can\'t like good old-fashioned decent movies for plain folks, can we?  If so, what\'s our function?','0df4e6a8a650d419008e455bf29f642d',0,'','r71LJnW5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3764,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1072905630,1,0,1,1,1,1,'par72','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','At this moment in time:\n\n1. Notorious\n2. Shadow of a Doubt\n3. Rear Window\n4. Rebecca\n5. Psycho\n6. 39 Steps\n7. The Lady Vanishes\n8. Frenzy\n9. Strangers on a Train\n10. North By Northwest\n\nThe first two stand above the rest. I could add other really interesting films e.g. Marnie, Vertigo, Bon Voyage etc.','b8d9b5981b654d502ba103df302f8414',0,'','jJZzaDEs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3765,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1072934162,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','1. Vertigo\n2. Psycho\n3. Rebecca\n4. Rear Window\n5. The Birds\n6. North By Northwest\n7. Dial M For Murder\n8. Strangers on A Train\n9. The 39 Steps\n10. Notorious','6d046bda9e98bb8e990bbb63665e0b16',0,'','ngMK1Zs4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3766,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073093385,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ustink','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','1. Vertigo\n2. Rear Window\n3. Psycho\n4. Marnie\n5. The Birds\n6. North By Northwest\n7. Dial M For Murder\n8. Rebecca\n9. The 39 Steps\n10. Rope\nJimmy Stewart Rocks in Vertigo\nMarnie has been a Hitchcock fave in our household','bbf7856190a177c5e62047b4c6506d1e',0,'','BnF2XQqo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3767,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073179132,1,0,1,1,1,1,'enad','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','1.Rear Window\n2.Notorious\n3.The Lady Vanishes\n4.To Catch A Thief\n5.North By Northwest\n6.Psycho\n7.The Birds\n8.Vertigo\n9.The 39 Steps\n10. Rebecca\n\nI\'ve probably left something out.I still have not seen Frenzy or Spellbound...\n\n','8de7197d142025ccf4e3e82825a625a0',0,'','MV5sGgQB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3768,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073179298,1,0,1,1,1,1,'enad','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','Ah!\n10b. Strangers on a Train','5cb8def6b4b3eedd9015be2e6b4789e0',0,'','1EhC7qLo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3769,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073332380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Macheath','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','1. North By Northwest\n2. Notorious\n3. Strangers On A Train\n4. Rear Window\n5. Psycho\n6. The 39 Steps\n7. Rebecca\n8. Suspicion\n9. Frenzy\n10a. The Birds\n10b. The Lady Vanishes\n10c. Marnie\n10d. Mr. & Mrs. Smith\n\nToo many I love to keep it to 10, so I had to cheat.','9c591a54210c9b4d242980de837921a8',0,'','1iCBa3o8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3770,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073445266,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','Did you (somehow) forget [i]Vertigo[/i]or you simply have not seen it?','7b4a0648075d2a0bbd676a9de9570233',0,'','YJzpAvbt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3771,763,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073588494,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Macheath','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hitchcock','Vertigo seems to be the movie I never think of when I do think of my favorite Hitchcocks, but every time I see it, I love it.  Let\'s place it at #8 and move the rest down a spot.','4b90402e9ef21eaa00e79b412d2e0d0a',0,'','waK4ThSL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3772,764,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018713263,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Fellini','Fellini\'s 10 best?\nI Vitelloni\nLa Strada\nCabiria Nights\nLa Dolce Vita\n8 1/2\nJuliet of the Spirits\nSatyricon\nThe Clowns\nAmarcord\nGinger and Fred\nAlso:Roma,City of Women,Intervista..','afb7b4fe32ad635499d5bbe3122a2e76',0,'','FlUyHPZV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3773,764,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018969642,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Fellini','I guess I\'ve always respected Felini, but the only film of his that really worked for my is Il Bidone.','c52c1ca38a804cc07f6a5a17f347d92a',0,'','jCcul21P',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3774,764,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018991025,1,0,1,1,1,1,'julesdabest','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Fellini','I agree with somegreatmovies here my fellow country man. Il Bidone is a must in the top 10 of Fellini. I\'ve only see La Strada, Il Bidone, La Dolce Vita, Il Viteolloni and 8 1/2 by Fellini and Il Bidone is up there with La Strada. I\'m sorry I haven\'t contacted you, been busy with course work and home work and now I have dreaded exams coming soon!!! ','c964eabd96b2c0103edf54efe9abd86f',0,'','GrSk0FCW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3775,764,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018994472,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Fellini','Great to hear from you again.Noswaith Dda.Until recently i\'d spent less time on this website,myself.Seem to get hooked when i start.I\'m not Fellini\'s greatest fan,which isn\'t to say he hasn\'t done some very fine work.8 1/2 his best,i think-as do many others-,and i enjoyed La Dolce Vita.For some reason,i\'ve not seen it for some time,but may do so soon.','c1c3296e5052923edf002cad0e463b35',0,'','mUM1Pzb2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3776,764,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020229183,1,0,1,1,1,1,'arosen1','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Fellini','La Dolce Vita or Casanova -- when the heck are these coming out on dvd!!!!!!!!','4a9c36db42aa23c26cfa95e38d540e3b',0,'','KljU18Nu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3777,764,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045827551,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Fellini','8 1/2\nLa Dolce Vita\nArmacord\nNights of Cabrira\nJuliet of the Spirits\nSatyricon\nLa Strada\nAnd the Ship Sails on\nThe White Sheik\nCasanova','eafda4e47c774253363fd55f69f633e8',0,'','YPkVapFf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3778,765,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018713750,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best Films:Mizoguchi','Mizoguchi\'s 10 best?\nSisters of the Gion\nStory of the Late Chrysanthemums\nThe Loyal 47 Ronin\nMy Love has been Burning\nThe Life of Oharu\nUgetsu Mongatari\nSansho the Bailiff\nChikamatsu Monogatari\nYang Kwei Fei\nTales of the Taira Clan\nAlso:Osaka Elegy,Gion Festival Music(A Geisha)..','d6097ac41bcb1c422597edc1731760e4',0,'','buGELyBX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3779,765,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068158960,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best Films:Mizoguchi','Don\'t bother with 10, as his films are difficult to access. Had i seen Miss Oyu (a beautiful little hidden gem) when i did this i would have definitely included it. Any comments on the great man welcome. At least there\'s to be a book- \"Mizoguchi and Japan\"- by Mark le Fanu, later this year, but in Britain we\'ll probably have to wait till 2006 (half- century after his death) apparently for a range of DVD\'s to be released.','5531c81a71611d18504e253c0a2969d9',0,'','3J2rcSfm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3780,765,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068365384,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx1','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best Films:Mizoguchi','I\'m amazed that you could even find ten MIzoguchi films.  I have had a hard enough time finding six.  Of that bunch though I would pick Ugetsu as his best.  The rest all have their moments, but seem too intentionally pessemistic.','fd414d7cedac6e5863e0b0b50e4ef825',0,'','CgsLt8D1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3781,765,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068412157,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best Films:Mizoguchi','I had to get some videos (good value) from Fnac, French internet shop- with French subtitles. For once a little knowledge of French came in handy.','e66eae86f33d0bdfefb44a829c3f72fe',0,'','HSGCpkF0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3782,765,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068867725,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best Films:Mizoguchi','I\'ve only seen Sansho the Bailiff. It is truly one of the most beautiful and moving films ever made. It was also the film that introduced me to Japanese cinema. \n\nI still haven\'t been able to find any of his other film. Is there any particular reason why they are so hard to find?','645d6cb9c0935a5ddf0670e33daa24f6',0,'','8fUXVZmg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3783,765,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068877006,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx1','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best Films:Mizoguchi','If you are from America, then good luck finding Mizoguchi on DVD.  Only the 47 Ronin are available.  Look hard enough on VHS and you\'ll find some of the videos released by Home Vision.  They include Ugetsu, Life of Oharu, and others.  New Yorker Video, a company that blows, put out several others, but let them all go out of print.  ','3eb2dd0b29758ed2bf60bf557bb3f869',0,'','FHRNDT3z',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3784,765,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068928651,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best Films:Mizoguchi','Besides the more well-known Sansho, Ugetsu, 47 Ronin & The Late Crysthemus (sp?) Mizoguchi\'s films are harder to find than a needle in hay. So many great movies to see that unless you pay outrageous prices on eBay or are lucky enough to find them at your local library/specialty video store, you never will. Ugestu is my fav btw.','0a96e7e4892c0ed35fb1a0c724b72959',0,'','xcNphPJl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3785,765,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1069325963,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best Films:Mizoguchi','Life of Oharu is to have a cinema release (with The Lady of Musashino) in London next month. So should get a video re-release. Ugetsu, Sansho and Tales of the Taira Clan are on video in UK (can be rented or bought by mail order from MovieMail) but may not suit US machines?\n\nIt\'s staggering that such a great director (4 films in Sight and Sound critics\' top 100) should be so neglected. And the literature on him is hardly overflowing. At least there\'s a forthcoming book \"Mizoguchi and Japan\" (?) by Mark le Fanu who did an excellent one, though with a few errors caused in translation, on Tarkovsky.','36efbd3a816ca46a9f4e477e3339db17',0,'','XEhPoqyk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3786,765,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1069645175,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best Films:Mizoguchi','Yes Mizoguchi is neglected,let\'s hope the japanese powers that be open the vaults so we can see more of his brilliant cinema,as he did over 60 films (from memory).','9339943b94a19bb26782a9c34d067ff6',0,'','e4X6CLZb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3787,765,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1069705211,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best Films:Mizoguchi','He did over 80, most of these in the silent era and 30\'s- but most are lost; about 30 left apparently.','9c339de480e205c40f212243f8ece531',0,'','i4M9V5yW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3788,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018714074,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','Godard\'s best 10?\nBreathless\nVivre Sa Vie\nContempt\nBande a Part\nPierrot le Fou\nAlphaville\nMasculi-Feminin\n2 or 3 Things i Know about Her\nWeekend\nPassion\nAlso:Une Femme est une Femme,Tout va Bien,Eloge de L\'Amour...','2a708d2898ae0e686cacc0c372773098',0,'','7vey9cJW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3789,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018969729,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','Historie(s) du Cinema! ...plus, In Praise of Love was terrible.','4b6ab5b5194d022d9656351c4b95a023',0,'','lQoPZ1Md',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3790,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018986929,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','Yes,I understand Histoires du Cinema is excellent,was wondering whether to include it but haven\'t seen it.Will do so a.s.a.p.I didn\'t like Eloge de l\'Amour at all,either, but was trying to be objective and had the impression it was considered by many a significant return to form.A Belgian woman at our film society was telling me how much she enjoyed it the other day;i had to admit i wasn\'t at all enamoured-which she attributed to British taste.(usually we tend to agree,though) ','a1e882776e8843070fef1130741c956e',0,'','oAUvZl0y',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3791,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024896695,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','I think some Dziga Vertov group films need to be in here. Or perhaps this part of his career constitutes such a radical break that it would need to be sideboarded. In any case, I\'m quite fond of Letter to Jane. Not so much so Wind from the East. As for others, haven\'t seen them. I\'m both slack and fickle.','769fb78e1ed11c3d5238e28345b29e28',0,'','JdReEMt5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3792,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034077711,1,0,1,1,1,1,'TylerDurden','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','1. Numero Deux\n2. My Life to Live\n3. Breathless\n4. Week End\n5. Hail Mary\n6. Band of Outsiders\n7. Two or Three Things I Know About Her\n8. Contempt\n9. Masculine-Feminine\n10. Pierrot le Fou','08589af64c4dd20e54e72b3f7dcd96df',0,'','9zNiZLoQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3793,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034090067,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','mmmm!\n\nI like Breathless one of my favourite films, Belmondo and Seberg are trully magnificent and the shots in Paris are breathtaking! the script is also awesome!\n\nEloge de l\'Ammour was a hard film to watch but very rewarding for me and I am glad I saw it!\n\nThe Silken Skin with Francois d\'Orleac as a hostess having an affair with a married man was also a very modern film, worth to have a look\n\nLe Mepris, just the cast and the mediterranean colours are trully magnificenet, you feel like the Mediterranean sea is literally in front of you! and Fritz Lang, and how sexy is Bardot! and Jack Palance....and Ulisses!\n\nI haven\'t seen Pierrot Le Fou yet John but I am dying to see it!','e176360f47830f5e3499b31800537201',0,'','vrAso4dS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3794,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045826831,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','Oooh, I envy you, seeing \"pierrot le fou\" for the first time is an experience you won\'t forget soon my friend. \"Contempt\" is his greatest film friends.\n\nContempt\nBreathless\nPirrot Le Fou\nMy Life to Live\nWeekend\nTwo or Three things I know about her\nAlphaville\nBand of Outsiders\nMasculin Feminin\nFor Ever Mozart','98b5c59ce2e09b0113273f4b465f4bf0',0,'','TKPt4fu5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3795,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045962735,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bjornam','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','Just a note: \"The Silken Skin\", or \"The Soft Skin\" which I guess you mean, is a Truffaut film. Still good though.','908f8bb89f25e70d9b748c142fa55d97',0,'','PXWLS35g',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3796,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064937170,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gnixon29','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','Breathless, Pierrot le Fou, and Contempt are definitely my top 3, although I have a tough time picking a favorite.  After that...\n\n4. Band of Outsiders\n5. My Life to Live\n6. Le Petit Soldat\n7. Week End\n8. Alphaville\n\n...and I\'ve only seen 8, so I can\'t really rank beyond that.  ','3663ad76c4d429f424db79f512145066',0,'','dGPaFiSg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3797,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1065046315,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Knoxville','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','Weekend and Hail Mary are the only two Goddard films I\'ve seen, both were very good.','de05b9f13de7d5a97eee85616cf1e9ea',0,'','fW49S7Ll',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3798,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066928942,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Victor_Couwenbergh','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','1. Histoire(s) du cinéma\n2. Scénario du film \'Passion\'  \n3. Vivre sa vie: Film en douze tableaux  \n4. Mépris, Le \n5. 2 ou 3 choses que je sais d\'elle  \n6. Petit soldat, Le  \n7. Week End  \n8. Éloge de l\'amour  \n9. Origine du XXIème siècle, L\' \n10. Bande à part \n','15e723bab953b88577d94306ceee1ec6',0,'','T1sjX38k',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3799,766,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067993419,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx1','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best Films:Godard','I applaud inclusion of Numero Deux, showing that Godard didn\'t stop making movies after the 1960\'s.  Since I view Godard as Lord Almighty, this list sounds rather fun.\n1. Weekend\n2. Numero Deux\n3. Alphaville\n4. Breathless\n5. Contempt\n6. Les Carabiniers\n7. Masculin Feminin\n8. My Life to Live\n9. A Woman is a Woman\n10. Pierrot Le Fou\nI notice the irony that nine of the ten films are from the sixties, but oh well.  His later films aren\'t the easiest pictures to find.\n','2e083f17a97deea8a3cd1341162a5eeb',0,'','gtKVLCJs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3800,767,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018714570,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Kubrick','Kubrick\'s 10 best?\nPaths of Glory\nSpartacus\nLolita\nDr Strangelove\n2001:A Space Odyssey\nA Clockwork Orange\nBarry Lyndon\nThe Shining\nFull Metal Jacket\nEyes Wide Shut(i think it\'s underrated)\nAlso:The Killing(unlucky to miss the cut,but i couldn\'t decide which of 4 to omit!-no doubt for many,Eyes Wide Shut would have been a more obvious omission)','26eb232ce54c8741c5653ff264190e26',0,'','isBUZNAw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3801,767,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035136921,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Kubrick','Kubrick\'s Ten Best (in order):\n\n1/  BARRY LYNDON\n2/  2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY\n3/  LOLITA\n4/  DR. STRANGELOVE...\n5/  EYES WIDE SHUT\n6/  FULL METAL JACKET\n7/  THE SHINING\n8/  A CLOCKWORK ORANGE\n9/  PATHS OF GLORY\n10/  THE KILLING\n\nMy Favourite Kubrick films (in order)\n\n1/  LOLITA\n2/  THE KILLING\n3/  THE SHINING\n4/  BARRY LYNDON\n5/  2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY\n6/  KILLER\'S KISS\n7/  DR. STRANGELOVE...\n8/  EYES WIDE SHUT\n9/  FULL METAL JACKET\n10/  THE SEAFARERS','56ead71ba8e9f318ae6dedbbf2597ac3',0,'','SC32n6rF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3802,767,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041053253,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Kubrick','1. 2001\n2. The Shining \n3. A Clockwork Orange\n4. Paths of Glory\n5. Full Metal Jacket\n6. Dr. Strangelove\n7. Eyes Wide Shut\n8. Barry Lyndon\n9. Lolita \n10. Spartacus\np.s. Kubrick is the greatest of all time.','8f5bf333d9202ba46a5904905af6b3cf',0,'','KHGDzYW4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3803,768,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018715908,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Lang','Lang\'s 10 best?\nDestiny\nDr Mabuse\nDie Nibelungen\nMetropolis\nM\nFury\nYou Only Live Once\nScarlet Street\nRancho Notorious\nThe Big Heat\nAlso:Spies,The Testament of Dr Mabuse,The Woman in the Window,Beyond a Reasonable Doubt,The Tiger of Eschnapur...','f4e758911701d872048a8962a7adfa22',0,'','2HdXn4MS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3804,769,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018715909,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Lang','Lang\'s 10 best?\nDestiny\nDr Mabuse\nDie Nibelungen\nMetropolis\nM\nFury\nYou Only Live Once\nScarlet Street\nRancho Notorious\nThe Big Heat\nAlso:Spies,The Testament of Dr Mabuse,The Woman in the Window,Beyond a Reasonable Doubt,The Tiger of Eschnapur...','f4e758911701d872048a8962a7adfa22',0,'','LlBNC84p',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3805,770,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018716234,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Spielberg','Spielberg\'s 10 best?\nDuel\nJaws\nClose Encounters of the Third Kind\nRaiders of the Lost Ark\nE.T\nThe Color Purple\nIndiana Jones and the Last Crusade \nJurassic Park\nSchindler\'s List\nSaving Private Ryan\nAlso:Empire of the Sun,Amistad,The Lost World,A.I.. ','8fe52094921388e7b4de04f529ce1167',0,'','kbEvQDVX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3806,770,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018969789,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Spielberg','Sugarland Express is his best after Amistad.','ca5d8fe09687244290ff4246cd43cf7c',0,'','rRd48MAn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3807,770,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035136513,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Spielberg','Spielberg has only made three good films:\n\nDUEL\nTHE SUGARLAND EXPRESS and\nEMPIRE OF THE SUN\n\nHe should have his Oscar taken away for the film SCHINDLER\'S LIST.  The scene where the little girl is pursued through the ghetto is reprehensible, pandering crap.  Did we need her to make us feel anymore sympathetic to the Jews in Europe during that horrific period?  Did she have to be the only thing in the film that was in colour?  An otherwise great film ruined by a filmmaker who does not trust his audience.  I felt cheated.','98cf712b36d425e738574e0c5635ae03',0,'','kLqub4sJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3808,770,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035243856,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Spielberg','I should have included A.I in the 10!','9bf4c6b753a4f38f0f5c76a0964028f1',0,'','WsVElSMy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3809,771,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018716690,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great directors\' 10 best films:Truffaut','Truffaut\'s 10 best?\nThe 400 Blows\nShoot the Pianist\nJules et Jim\nStolen Kisses\nThe Wild Child\nAnne and Muriel\nDay for Night\nThe Story of Adele H\nThe Last Metro\nVivement Dimanche\nAlso:Mississippi Mermaid,The Green Room..','157e62f361c5da4905c03f41d62ea47d',0,'','by1eFdVG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3810,772,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018717123,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Scorsese','Scorsese\'s 10 best?\nMean Streets\nTaxi Driver\nRaging Bull\nThe King of Comedy\nAfter Hours\nThe Color of Money\nGoodfellas\nCape Fear\nThe Age of Innocence\nCasino \nAlso:Alice Doesn\'t Live Here Anymore,The Last Waltz,The Last Temptation of Christ,Kundun,Bringing out the Dead...','471814f196d7a0ba2f3025506b748bba',0,'','lc2KwXb1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3811,772,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018969901,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Scorsese','The short film Life Lessons, maybe not his best... but I\'d put it in his top ten.','ff2e8d9f608ec7c671bdbc418feb1256',0,'','vbM6y3rf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3812,772,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041055595,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Scorsese','You intrigue me even though I believe Cape Fear should have never been remade, then again no film should.  Mine would be as follows, in order of greatness of course.\n1. Raging Bull\n2. Last Temptation of Christ\n3. Taxi Driver\n4. Goodfellas\n5. Mean Streets\n6. The King of Comedy\n7. Alice Doesn\'t Live Here Anymore\n8. After Hours\n9. Casino\n10. The Last Waltz','9dc8c88ff4c0dd287a1f46b5b8e94017',0,'','c3iLB5dJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3813,772,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1042423975,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Scorsese','I really like Scorsese even though I don\'t fancy his latest film very much, I think it\'s De Caprio (that frankly I don\'t understnad why he was cast in the firt place).\nMean Streets\nTaxi Driver\nRaging Bull\n\nI love MAIN STREETS the most with a superb Harvey Keitel and a young De Niro and also a great soundtrack in the background.\n\n\nI find RAGING BULL a very good film but rather unconfortable ...\n\n\n\nTAXI DRIVER is his best for me, I like all about it, the story, the charachters and a young Jodie Forster and a superb de Niro along Cybill Sheperd (that did have that many good roles other than Bogdanovich flcik)\n\nNEW YOR NEW YORK it\'s exellent film an very underated is this an Scorsese film? I forgot now, but De Niro and Liza Minelli are awesome in a musical and it\'s very funny!\n\n\nGOODFELLAS is rather too much the cool of cool and I don\'t like that way he has of glamurasing the whole gansgter feel to it all...Main Streets was better, it wasn\'t any ned to do the same again!\n\nafter hours is exellent and funny!! and THE AGE OF INNOCENCE it\'s wonderfull and a different way for him to work.\n\nCASINO... there is nothing I don\'t like about this film...maybe it\'s a bit too long but still is a masterpiece and the GUCCI shoes are superb in De Niro!','06aedb7fc0d98615e3771911ba4bfa42',0,'','fmYMZx0p',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3814,772,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043199404,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hasafran','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Scorsese','ahhhhhh. scorcese can do very little wrong in my book, even when it is horrible to watch, his talent is awesome.','09e2fc4cd53c298e5c9b040464001d62',0,'','QxoqwuA9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3815,772,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044259863,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Scorsese','I think \"Bringing out the Dead\" is one of his most underrated films (most people don\'t even know he made it) and was one of my 10 favs in 1999. I suggest renting it if you haven\'t seen it. Every frame on all his films breathe and vibrate with energy, life, and the excitement of a born storyteller and filmmaker, someone who has a great story and just can\'t wait to tell it. John Boorman said that every scene in a film must have life breahted into it, and the director must do that, and Scorsese has, even when the film sucks (\"New York, New York\" anyone?','903bfa102511725262394f617110de26',0,'','1MJdoZtf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3816,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018717488,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','Ford\'s 10 best?\nStagecoach\nThe Grapes of Wrath\nHow Green was my Valley?\nThey were Expendable\nMy Darling Clementine\nFort Apache\nShe Wore a Yellow Ribbon\nThe Quiet Man\nThe Searchers\nThe Man who Shot Liberty Valance\nAlso:The Iron Horse,The Informer,Young Mr Lincoln,The Long Voyage Home,Wagonmaster..(excluding co-directed films) ','caa33abd38af85f37e6b3ab5df306e35',0,'','hZmVQY6o',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3817,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018969939,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','Sun Shines Bright!','9c1f18dbbe80a47373a9e0f1fc417cbf',0,'','V7Y3tMz0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3818,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019436217,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bdk160','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','All of the above.  For a change of pace try WEE WILLIE WINKIE.  HOW did Ford (One of my ten top directors: \"I\'m John Ford and I make Westerns!\") get involved with this project?  Try it. It proves he is can do anything with nothing.','8afcf527e0d1f632906c257fa623b226',0,'','1SMuX45i',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3819,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020988994,1,0,1,1,1,1,'esackman','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','bdk160 is right. \"Wee Willie Winkie\" directed by John Ford and starring Shirley Temple is one of Temple\'s best films. Due no doubt to the skill that Ford brought to the project. Here are nine more of his films that I liked. Maybe not his best, but nearly equal to some of his best. Ranked in the order that he directed them.\n1. Lost Patrol\n2. Drums Along the Mohawk\n3. Long Voyage Home\n4. The Three Godfathers\n5. Mogambo\n6. Hondo\n7. Horse Soldiers\n8. Sergeant Rutledge\n9, \"The Civil War Episode\" of How the West Was Won\nEnjoy them all.','bb64545ed6bdc62da59a7f0e11799b93',0,'','Z7nrwjJk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3820,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024895837,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','Hondo is a John Farrow film. I agree with somegreatmovies, The Sun Shines Bright is great. Ford knows what he wants to say and does so precisely. My Darling Clementine is my favourite of the rest.','764e974600c32cf08345f0f9cab212be',0,'','XH4twpZh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3821,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041054813,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','Ford is always great, although he seems a little out of date today.  For my money his top ten would be as follows, in order of greatness.\n1. The Searchers\n2. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance\n3. The Grapes of Wrath\n4. The Long Voyage Home\n5. My Darling Clementine\n6. Mister Roberts\n7. The Whole Towns Talking\n8. The Last Hurrah\n9. Rio Grande\n10. Young Mr. Lincoln','fd55c140f9120f8c79af74d2c9c351e8',0,'','WCcoQiAj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3822,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045826196,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','It\'s true that Ford has dated (his film content anyway) but if Ford were making films today, he\'d still be great and he set the standard for minimalist, straightfoward American filmmaking.\n\nThe Searchers\nThe Long Voyage Home\nStagecoach\nThe Man who Shot Liberty Valance\nShe Wore a Yellow Ribbon\nMy Darling Clementene\nThe Grapes of Wrath\nHow Green Was my Valley\nRio Grande\nFort Apache','c390c0ad852fa061165d5e37e8af9a23',0,'','qFalhnMG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3823,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046161412,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Arletty','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The (1962) \nMogambo (1953) \nMy Darling Clementine (1946) \nSearchers, The (1956) \n','879d4329d2f305318eac571d2856d0bd',0,'','4X9jWsnz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3824,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046310857,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','liberty valance is a classic!great & sensible choice. cheers','203d36c9e7098e64dcd8333d75ca84b3',0,'','XPZiCptR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3825,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068365841,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx1','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','I would like to add Three Godfathers to my previous list.  Talk about an underrated movie.  I expected garbage and found one of the all time best Westerns.  I fully believe John Wayne has never been better, although he is still great in the Searchers.  I know I am completely alone in this, but maybe someday the status of Three Godfathers will be equal to the Searchers or the overrated Stagecoach.','1a6b423725292e10019cecd9d84be47e',0,'','o2J86tyW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3826,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068412269,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','Your opinion certainly surprises me, but i\'ll look with fresh eyes and mind next time.','f4b059f9181bd1843accbba80338258a',0,'','UkLGN02m',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3827,773,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068867453,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Great Directors\'10 best films:Ford','I haven\'t seen enough of Ford\'s film sto make a list. However, you can\'t overparaise The Searchers. One of American cinema\'s greatest achivements and probably the greatest Hollywood western ever made. Although my pic for the greatest western ever made Hollywood or non Hollywood would go to Once Upon A Time in the West along with the rest of Sergio Leone\'s westerns....Except for Duck You Sucker - very dissapointing film.\n\nOther films of Ford I\'ve seen,\n\nStagecoach - Great fun. Textbook film making. But why does that woman show no signs of being pregnant befor going into labour?\n\nThe Man Who Shot Liberty Valance - Great film to watch on a Sunday afternoon. Anyone who gives away the ending should be crucified...ok, maybe that\'s a little harsh.\n\nI also seem to remember enjoying Mr Roberts and The Grapes of Wrath, but have only a vague memory of them.\n','abe9adaf0f170160018114bb8a3860be',0,'','gTkWPAGS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3828,774,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018717734,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Hawks','Scarface\nTwentieth Century\nBringing up Baby\nOnly Angels have Wings\nHis Girl Friday\nTo Have and Have Not\nThe Big Sleep\nRed River\nGentleman Prefer Blondes\nRio Bravo\nAlso:Sergeant York,Ball of Fire,Monkey Business..','354905fe8459b962df2ad45e579158db',0,'','bXAGrHvM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3829,775,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018719096,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' best 10 films:Wilder','Wilder\'s 10 best?\nDouble Indemnity\nThe Lost Weekend\nSunset Boulevard\nAce in the Hole\nStalag 17\nSabrina\nWitness for the Prosecution\nSome Like it Hot\nThe Apartment\nThe Fortune Cookie\nAlso;Five Graves to Cairo,The Seven Year Itch,The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes...','54023bbb60f7584a80f748b581b1a5af',0,'','NpA18LoD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3830,775,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045827833,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' best 10 films:Wilder','Wilder is the master.\n\nSome like it Hot\nThe Apartment\nDouble Indemnity\nIrma La Douce\nWitness for the Prosecution\nSunset Boulevard\nSabrina\nLove in the Afternoon\nStalag 17\nThe Major and the Minor','082ccf29c8536d878abe23ae39938b7a',0,'','oRH2DVzk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3831,775,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046161187,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Arletty','Re: Great Directors\' best 10 films:Wilder','Apartment, The (1960) \nBig Carnival, The (1951) \nDouble Indemnity (1944) \nIrma la Douce (1963) \nKiss Me, Stupid (1964) \nOne, Two, Three (1961) \nSabrina (1954) \nSeven Year Itch, The (1955) \nSome Like It Hot (1959) \nStalag 17 (1953) \nSunset Blvd. (1950) \nWitness for the Prosecution (1957) \n\n','fdf8c95ccfbd998fb4a20df7a5e4bcd0',0,'','ilmycJoN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3832,775,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054163098,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' best 10 films:Wilder','Have you guys noticed how Wilder\'s films age so well? I mean all his films (even the WAY early ones) still are as funny, ironic, cynical & acidic as ever.','c8db892d9dde99f15b28f04dc3f407b6',0,'','GzUk8XWd',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3833,775,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068365600,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx1','Re: Great Directors\' best 10 films:Wilder','Forgive any omitions.\n1. Some Like it Hot\n2. Witness for the Prosecution\n3. Sunset Boulevard\n4. The Apartment\n5. Stalag 17\n6. The Fortune Cookie\n7. Double Indemnity \n8. One, Two, Three\n9. The Lost Weekend\n10. Sabrina','6ac30016c4c8c3ee5bef3eb668662817',0,'','qQ3HDtCG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3834,775,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068868592,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Great Directors\' best 10 films:Wilder','The Apartment\nSunset BLVD\nThe Lost Weekend\nAvanti\nSome Like it Hot\nThe Private Life of Sherlock Holmes\n\nWow. I only just realised how few of Wilder\'s films I\'ve seen. I find Stalag 17 a little irritating. The Apartment is my favourite by far. At one stage inmy life I had to watch it on a regular basis in order to maintain my sanity. I think Shirley Maclaine\'s performance in that film is one of the finest in screen history.\n\nWilder is one of the few directors who made film which could appeal to mainstreem audiences as well as people more attracted to art house films. It doesn\'t sound like much but I\'d be hard pressed to come up with 5 other directors who succeed so effortlesly in that field.','bb7d9f4da7729b9ba9126cca80b5fd11',0,'','e6C4pbNX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3835,775,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068873549,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Great Directors\' best 10 films:Wilder','1.ACE IN THE HOLE aka THE BIG CARNIVAL\n2.SOME LIKE IT HOT \nSUNSET BOULEVARD\n4.AVANTI!\nPRIVATE LIFE OF SHERLOCK HOLMES\nKISS ME, STUPID\n7.DOUBLE INDEMNITY\nONE, TWO, THREE\nWITNESS FOR THE PROSECUTION\n10.THE SEVEN YEAR ITCH','da3d7da274d9b5f754979ca73c08707f',0,'','tpA6rkB7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3836,776,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018719748,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bresson','Bresson\'s 10 best?\nLes Anges du Peche\nLes Dames du Bois de Boulogne\nDiary of a Country Priest\nA Man Escaped\nPickpocket\nBalthazar\nMouchette\nUne Femme Douce\nLancelot du Lac\nL\'Argent\n','9e27a391df9ae50eb7fcb6d41476b931',0,'','YfpqPV4a',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3837,776,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018969975,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bresson','forget Mouchette... The Devil, Probably!\n','f6a0d3ea65ae2ba8829361fcf92892c7',0,'','jMvLQpYh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3838,776,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018986414,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bresson','Mouchette may be my favourite Bresson!(just ahead of A Man Escaped.)I was less sure whether to include Une Femme Douce and Les Anges du Peche','df1cd702eeb8bd1543c2d224955b3cc4',0,'','0NTBuA9a',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3839,776,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024897627,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bresson','You can\'t remove the nuns! I really favour Les Anges du Peche\'s composition. Habit just frames up so well...','ec0ad65dd851dbbd61e66a7343e0e3f7',0,'','v5AhYtiV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3840,776,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045827402,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bresson','I haven\'t seen Balthazar or Mouchette yet, cause I can\'t find them anywhere! Has Bresson even made 10 movies?\n\nPickpocket (HIS BEST FILM!)\nA Man Escaped\nDiary of a Country Priest\nMoney\nThe Devil Probably\nLancelot of the Lake\nA Gentle Creature\nLes Dames du Bois de Boulogne','9224b6ff4e2c433d5ef29cea1cf5a998',0,'','nWy6b25p',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3841,776,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046594787,1,0,1,1,1,1,'agerbaz','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bresson','I found Lancelot du Lac quite bizarre.  All those close-ups of horses, the ubiquitous sound of clanging metal, the repetitiveness of the knight-fight scenes (I forget the term for the event).  Can someone offer an explanation? ','d9533439ca28b4c67beb83e30045c0a2',0,'','47z1VQiy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3842,776,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046662312,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bresson','as bresson deals with the \"inner man\" i think it has to do with the futility of existence once the quest for the holy grail has failed,but don\'t forget there is always a dry comic element in this master of film! i personaly love the film but it sure has polarised some of my friends,besides it is different so that helps with me,he does make you think doesn\'t he!','cc825c0526301099b114f45c4ee731be',0,'','UaKnQ8kc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3843,776,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046662547,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bresson','if bresson has made a bad film i haven\'t seen it and i have viewed all mentioned here.\ncountry priest/pickpocket/man ecaped/devil probably/lancelot/l\'argent &( the wonderful) balthazar are my faves...cheers!','d4157977a7a311113c84669e2b6fc2fa',0,'','3XAQK9UV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3844,776,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052989996,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Bresson','There\'s no question that A Man Escaped is Bresson\'s most...perfect film. But close runners-up are Diary of a Country Priest, Pickpoket, and Money.','ce9f5dcddf56bb3560e84746dd5cbc34',0,'','MFLQlsV1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3845,777,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018720614,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Great directors\' 10 best films','Which director has achieved the most impressive 10 best films?I\'ve listed my(mainly objective)suggestions for each of 17 contenders-Kurosawa,Hitchcock,Bergman,Kubrick,Renoir,Bunuel,Ford,Mizoguchi,Godard,Lang,Hawks,Scorsese,Wilder,Bresson,Spielberg,Fellini,Truffaut.Hope it\'s o.k including Americans and British;i thought the comparisons might be useful.Of course,this process favours the more prolific directors-no Dreyer,Eisenstein,Tarkovsky for instance-and(particularly younger)contemporary directors are also disadvantaged.Sorry to take up so much space with new topics;didn\'t plan to hog this section.Who else should i have suggested?','c4cd3d574da81f4ac2b5881b3e1e2569',0,'','JuhwNYW9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3846,777,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018932127,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Great directors\' 10 best films','This is an interesting little game.  But wouldn\'t it be more fun to rank these lists?  Now, we ought not to rank out of desire to produce a final statement about the unwieldy corpuses of people like Godard and Bunuel (and Lang and Hitchcock), with their globe-trotting, stylistic changes, and shifts in thematic, theoretical, and ideological perspective.  We need to rank, because, well, if we don\'t do so, it all seems so lifeless, so conservative:  we\'re left with nothing to angry up the blood and provoke some juvenile mud-slinging and name-calling.  \n\nSadly, I may not be able to contribute too much to this debate, primarily because of the sorry state of film distribution in these parts.  (Yeah, I suppose I could get ahold of all those Mizoguchis, Renoirs, and post-60\'s Godards that I want to see, but I\'d be bankrupting myself for some muddy nth-generation dubs of what were already battered and bruised prints.  In other words, unless I get to a big city sometime soon, I\'m damned.)\n\nA few suggestions for more lists:\n\nNeed to be here:  Ozu, Rossellini (where are the distributors for the late tv stuff?), Fassbinder\n\nPossible Additions (they\'ve made more than enough films, and some people would strenuously object to their absence, but I\'m not too sure):  Griffith, Herzog, Pasolini, Michael Powell \n\nIf only they\'d made more films (ok, some made just enough, but this would make their lists way too obvious):  Murnau, von Stroheim, Antonioni, Dreyer, Vertov, Rivette','0d93592da9b480795ac3f706d4c0410b',0,'','jDXbRKQG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3847,777,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1018957212,1,0,1,1,1,1,'johndav','Re: Great directors\' 10 best films','Again,good observations.I realised too late it would have been more interesting to order each list by merit/my personal preference;just i found it easier assembling by chronological order,and the purpose was more to end up with comparisons between directors.I didn\'t plan the topic very well,i\'m afraid and ended up taking up so much space.Apologies to all.Initially i intended a smaller number of lists,then(as usual)thought,if this director,why not that?Did think of Fassbinder,as he was so prolific;but wasn\'t convinced his 10 were quite good enough.And the lists had to stop somewhere.','bd6bf65d479d99ad6c74b2bf262ee003',0,'','00MHXklZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3848,777,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035153280,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great directors\' 10 best films','For consistency of vision the award would have to go to either Buñuel who, despite having to do \"hack jobs\" to put food on the table, never abandoned his surrealist principles or Stanley kubrick who never made a bad film and forever remained the sad, impish misanthrope that really CARED about humanity (I mean he cared for his characters despite his better judgment).\n\nBUT....Orson Welles and Jean Renoir are the giants for me.  Their films touch me so deeply and engage me on such a deep intelectual level that I can conjure up any of their films at will and replay them in my head.','7bfebfaae99f84b3583d250eb8d6fb6b',0,'','yzFYofGl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3849,778,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019171179,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Great Genre\'s 10 best films:Avant Garde','Window Water Baby Moving\nThe Act of Seeing With One\'s Own Eyes \nOuter and Inner Space\nJollies\nCastro Street\nThis Is It\nNissan Ariana Window \nFireworks\nThe Back Steps\nUnsere Afrikareise ','3d7e9cf0ccfc066e7a9958b1d02baa1c',0,'','DGQ7JhHK',1,0,'',0,0,0);
INSERT INTO `phpbb_posts` VALUES (3850,778,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019179687,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Genre\'s 10 best films:Avant Garde','Pleased you\'ve raised this subject,somegreatmovies.I only wish avant-garde films were more widely available.I particularly enjoyed the Quay brothers\' weird short animation Street of Crocodiles(influenced by Svankmajer and Eastern European cinema).Their feature-length Institute Benjamenta has a luminous beauty.Anger\'s Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome is repetitive,garish and bombastic but visually exciting.Len Lye did some very interesting and original work in Britain in the 30\'s;Colour Box,Birth of the Robot etc.Similarly Norman McLaren in Canada.I suppose Bunuel(Un Chien Andalou etc)has become mainstream avant-garde.Maya Deren\'s Meshes of the Afternoon(quite eerie)was highly influential for post-war American experimental films.There\'s also Michael Snow:Wavelength etc.I\'ve not seen Brakhage\'s Scenes from Under Childhood,which i know is admired by many.I enjoyed some Man Ray shorts-Etoile de Mer,and The Mysteries of the Castle of Dice-also Le Ballet Mecanique(Leger).Svankmajer\'s animations(Dimensions of Dialogue..)and live action combinations(Conspirators of Pleasure,Alice etc)are eccentric,well worth trying.Chelsea Girls(Warhol)and Scorpio Rising(Anger)are famous,but i wasn\'t over-impressed.I\'m not very knowledgeable on the subject,have yet to see avant-garde classics Film about a Woman Who(Rainer),Zorn\'s Lemma(Frampton)and Tom Tom the Piper\'s Son(Jacobs).Would be extremely interested in opinions.Man with a Movie Camera (Vertov)might be described as avant-garde,though for many it\'s now become too much a mainstream part of cinema history to properly qualify,like early Bunuel,and Cocteau(Orphee etc) - anyway,it\'s tremendous.Definitions are difficult.   ','8336d6459d7f8aa72024906925a20e79',0,'','WYpEhUBz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3851,778,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019187700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Genre\'s 10 best films:Avant Garde','Yeah... I\'m somewhat of a dilettante when it come to avant garde cinema... I know the names and films, but I\'ve seen way too few to make a good list... I was really just goofing around... hopefully this summer living in NYC, I\'ll be able to speak with somewhat more authority.\n\n\n...and yes, I should have included Meshes (don\'t know what I was thinking).','acdcaddd3dce52710bd8fd56042c3ca0',0,'','wZ0QujeJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3852,778,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019196636,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Genre\'s 10 best films:Avant Garde','revised list:\nWindow Water Baby Moving\nThe Act of Seeing With One\'s Own Eyes \nOuter and Inner Space\nJollies\nMeshes of the Afternoon\nThis Is It\nNissan Ariana Window \nFireworks\nIn the Street\nUnsere Afrikareise','4aeb79223c7b16c2f3a741ff236216a7',0,'','ay5Jv8uB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3853,778,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019208436,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Genre\'s 10 best films:Avant Garde','Dog Star Man(Brakhage,1964)is very important.I saw part of Touki Bouki(Mambety,1973),usually called the first African short,and was impressed.From Pole to Equator(Gianikian,1986)ia an interesting use of early travelogue footage.I\'d like to see the Brazilian film Isle of Flowers(Furtado,1989),which sounds exciting,innovative and politically challenging,and has a very high average score on the Internet Movie Database.Anyone seen it?','36d84b405fb06ee9b7d9f72bb941db52',0,'','GcP6WKYR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3854,779,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019172425,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Great Directors\' 10 best films:De Palma','Mission to Mars\nCarlito\'s Way\nCasualties of War\nThe Untouchables\nBlow Out\nDressed to Kill\nThe Fury\nCarrie\nHi, Mom!\nGreetings\n\n...except for the first choice, nothing too controverisial, I think','0a3c17ae6e30f86621a0393459d8dafb',0,'','iEZan5F4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3855,779,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019175712,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:De Palma','Phantom of the Paradise has something of a cult following and many consider it one of his best-though i\'m not overkeen,i must admit.Though i like several of the films-The Untouchables,Carrie,Carlito\'s Way..-i\'m not convinced De Palma belongs with the great directors.','570d3b1bc45f1cfe8b85121d4936932a',0,'','lznNUsKw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3856,779,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024897718,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:De Palma','To me, the thing about De Palam is you can put a dodgy film like Bonfire of the Vanities (which is not without some redeeming pleasures) in his list and it sits quite comfortably with the others. However, I\'ve not had a good look at his stuff for quite some time.','aad2303e2ab5813d6b972e5049350428',0,'','eMfuZP6v',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3857,779,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1026534208,1,0,1,1,1,1,'surak2','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:De Palma','My favorite - even over Carrie - is Body Double, it is exquisetly shot, the lead actor Craig Wasson is terrific and very funny and then there\'s Melanie Griffith\'s first big role. The brutal murder scene was meant as a joke, a riff on the \'violence against women in horror films\' talk show yammering of the time. Watch the one big murder scene and tell me how it is possible to take it as anything but a burlesque. And the studio made him edit it anyway! It\'s a decent mystery, a biting social commentary, it has two great performances, that shimmery Pino Donaggio music and lots of sex, and Frankie Goes to Hollywood even makes a guest apperance. Did anyone else hear the rumor that DePalma was so interested in the porn business he went on to direct the hardcore movies NightDreams and Cafe Flesh under a psuedonym? They were certainly not the usual adult  films of the time. Look at the scene in Body Double where Holly Body -Melanie Griffith - shoots her movie see if it doesn\'t have the same surreal atmosphere of those two films. Just a thought. ','3dc35f1271c6936ce8b7d73e4e40dcbf',0,'','g4XxRts7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3858,779,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1028107170,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Ockien','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:De Palma','I do not think that he is that good of a director, my brother has liked only one film of his and that would be Untouchables as for the rest they are untouchable.','f7de6ee6f10fe523382e76bd5af3d5ba',0,'','40pAFc13',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3859,779,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033290956,1,0,1,1,1,1,'iceomat','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:De Palma','I just watched his \'73 film Sisters. I thought it was very well done. Now I know Carrie wasn\'t his first attempt at the split-screen technique. Of course Raising Cain is so bad it cancels this movie out!','f02f1eb05a8cc97481a1a8b6075b2ba8',0,'','6X4m03n8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3860,779,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033371606,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:De Palma','I love the fact that De Palma used the split-screen not to show different people on phones talkinh to each other or whateverm but just to show different perspectives. Two people talking to each other in the same room with split-screen adds to the effectiveness I feel. \n\nAnd also, does anyone else agree that \"Blow Out\" is like the most underrated film ever?','f3eca9de6e07120a05077d77a2a9e393',0,'','hVtHPM5q',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3861,779,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034076796,1,0,1,1,1,1,'TylerDurden','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:De Palma','I\'m a huge fan of Phantom of the Paradise.  I\'ve only seen 5 or 6 De Palma films, but Phantom is easily my favorite.','59aaef0bd874142174e5e87091ce85c7',0,'','HdgPzW08',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3862,779,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035403111,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:De Palma','Jeez...I can\'t believe I\'m doing this...in order:\n\n1/  BLOW OUT\n2/  SISTERS\n3/  THE FURY\n4/  THE UNTOUCHABLES\n5/  CARRIE\n6/  THE PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE\n7/  HI MOM!\n8/  DRESSED TO KILL\n9/  OBSESSION\n10/  THE WEDDING PARTY\n\n','c9f487fd37dd01a8f6ae6cce690b68cf',0,'','kWARo2tD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3863,779,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1037383509,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:De Palma','By the way, I\'m sure you all know this but an excellent (intelligent) forum for Brian De Palma exists at:\n\nwee.briandepalma.net\n\nI have to hop to it and see some of his 70s films.','5356e7bbd96e39816c3e002d8965b1d7',0,'','hko8flrE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3864,780,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019172709,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Altman','Cookie\'s Fortune\nBrewster McCloud\nMASH\nShort Cuts\nThieves Like Us \nLong Goodbye, The\nMcCabe & Mrs. Miller\nTanner \'88\nSecret Honor\n3 Women','486ceea5b7e5f6bc4b58769cfbbc6959',0,'','yR5ZAKUG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3865,780,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019176442,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Altman','Yes,Altman\'s directed many fine films,and i came close to doing a list for him.I\'m surprised by the inclusion of Secret Honor(which admittedly i\'ve not seen)and Brewster McCloud,rather than Nashville(for many,still his masterpiece-though i\'m not enamoured),The Player and Gosford Park.For me,Short Cuts is his best-an important and influential film.3 Women is well worth a look for its enigmatic,eccentric intimacy.Cookie\'s Fortune is pleasing and unpretentious.','ade05d4b906158a22ecb6bff83802b13',0,'','ZAquXTlM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3866,780,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024897489,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Altman','Altman\'s supposedly uncinematic theatrical adaptions are rather underrated. The early 80s period contains some of his most interesting work, especially with respect to aspects of subjectivity, fantasy and desire (if you sway that way). Streamers and Come Back to the 5 and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean are compelling films. Personally, I don\'t care if a film is set in one location or an orgy of spaces and times, so long as something is contained within the frame that holds interest. I especially like the interplay between memory and present staged through mirrors in Jimmy Dean.','0b6be0125927f0e7acf8cf1fbb150398',0,'','DxzgNlpi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3867,780,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1026424693,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Altman','your a sharp lady/fella there, katsuben...','d3dedfd1913ce7b68700fd746712c6c8',0,'','8yqsVDQg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3868,780,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1028535838,1,0,1,1,1,1,'iceomat','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Altman','No mention of O.C. and Stiggs? Funny as hell.','346dbd4f6e9658f714c980270be98065',0,'','lk8KCz17',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3869,780,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1028548517,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bjornam','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Altman','The Player...?','009b176b4f5546666992b00535ad5142',0,'','nfoaqW3s',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3870,780,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1028773960,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Altman','the player definately a brilliant satire & gosford park i loved with it\'s own take on \"la regle du jeu\"','31fadbc1a40cf62987300cc08fd58fc1',0,'','egnUTQbs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3871,780,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033418627,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Altman','I think I want to change the list slightly:  \nBuffalo Bill and the Indians\nSecret Honor\nThieves Like Us \nLong Goodbye, The\nMASH\nMcCabe & Mrs. Miller\n3 Women\nVincent & Theo\nGosford Park\nKansas City','957b234b4c6d8e68e0eb5b53d51c6dc9',0,'','rl8xnjVF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3872,780,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033642020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Altman','Absoultely must be on that list:\n\nThe Long Goodbye\nThe Player (did you people forget that or what?)\nShort Cuts\nGosford Park\nMASH\nMcCabe and Mrs. Miller\nNashville\nCookie\'s Fortune (yes, one of his best films)\n','c9f4c02ac084dd97e25a17df1be41bd6',0,'','8VEn2R5U',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3873,780,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034790564,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Altman','In order:\n\n1/  MCCABE AND MRS. MILLER\n2/  THREE WOMEN\n3/  THE LONG GOODBYE\n4/  NASHVILLE\n5/  SECRET HONOR\n6/  GOSFORD PARK\n7/  THAT COLD DAY IN THE PARK\n8/  THE PLAYER\n9/  SHORT CUTS\n10/  IMAGES','1ccb69aecfdc1da9e3611ee61ecb8ac0',0,'','9m68VpTn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3874,781,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019197285,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Wenders','Million Dollar Hotel\nEnd of Violence\nWings of Desire\nParis, Texas\nState of Things\nAmerican Friend\nKings of the Road\nWrong Move\nAmerican Friend\nAlice in the Cities\n\n...absolutly white bread easy to make choices... almost no fun','06a197561606becf89a7c8685a852cd0',0,'','3dceQRiC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3875,781,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019198612,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Wenders','wait... why is american friend on there twice... jeeze, and I\'m not even drunk','8732f8e342d08279514877d1115d8c93',0,'','xp178WSw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3876,781,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019198629,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Wenders','much','ef56b0b0ddb93c2885892c06be830c68',0,'','cVaNWelQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3877,781,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019210066,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Wenders','Now here\'s a director who\'s meant a lot to me.Just thinking about some of his early films gives me goosebumps.Paris Texas and Alice in the Cities are 2 of my very favourites;i feel a lovesick nausea welling up.It\'s the hope of similar sublime experiences that keeps me an avid film watcher.Am trying to ensure i never watch them once too often;i\'ve approached further viewings with extreme caution,but wasn\'t disappointed.I didn\'t do a Wenders top 10,\'cos i don\'t think his later films deserve it.Kings of the Road is also magnificent,Wings of Desire and The American Friend  superb.Many liked Buena Vista Social Club,but for me this is still very minor work compared to his earlier glories.Here\'s hoping he can still rediscover the magic!','9f10f347e0b2863b87c353e0c529f485',0,'','tPoQK4dV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3878,781,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019227064,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Wenders','You don\'t think Million Dollar Hotel was just as brilliant as say, American Friend (though it\'s no Wrong Move or Paris, Texas)?','e11707019fb5852cad3024e22750657b',0,'','alMF2z4k',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3879,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019197677,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','Deconstructing Harry\nManhattan Murder Mystery\nHusbands and Wives  \nAnother Woman \nManhattan \nAnnie Hall \nLove and Death \nSleeper  \nTake the Money and Run \nWhat\'s Up, Tiger Lily? ','616047860de6168c2ded18f3b1b3b0f0',0,'','ZNT6Sf5K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3880,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019208836,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','My 10 would be(again in chronological order.Favourites asterisked):\nSleeper\nAnnie Hall\nManhattan*\nZelig\nBroadway Danny Rose*\nThe Purple Rose of Cairo\nHannah and her Sisters*\nCrimes and Misdemeanours\nManhattan Murder Mystery\nSweet and Lowdown\n','997e1e3929f4ffaa0a84a594397a84ed',0,'','u3mU7oTX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3881,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035011804,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','In Order:\n\n1/  MANHATTAN\n2/  STARDUST MEMORIES\n3/  CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS\n4/  LOVE AND DEATH\n5/  INTERIORS\n6/  BANANAS\n7/  SWEET AND LOWDOWN\n8/  ANOTHER WOMAN\n9/  ANNIE HALL\n10/  HANNAH AND HER SISTERS','c4ecbead09a236c040c718f2c750b27d',0,'','MJKNLU27',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3882,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041053412,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','Your topic intrigues me, considering there is no director I am more familiar with than Mr. Allen.  Despite my extensive viewing of his films I still have to agree with the general public on number one, 2-10 might be interesting though.\n1. Annie Hall\n2. Interiors\n3. Deconstructing Harry\n4. Purple Rose of Cairo\n5. Manhattan\n6. Stardust Memories\n7. Hannah and Her Sisters\n8. Crimes and Misdemeanors \n9. Broadway Danny Rose\n10. Zelig\n','fe101dff7d4b47b703cdadad2230f377',0,'','RHpcxqZf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3883,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044066753,1,0,1,1,1,1,'yesmon','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','Woody Allen is my favorite director, though I can certainly admit he is not in the top 25; he is definitely top 100. Here goes:\n1. Annie Hall \n2. Manhattan \n3. Hannah And Her Sisters \n4. Zelig \n5. Purple Rose Of Cairo \n6. Crimes And Misdemeanors \n7. Interiors \n8. Stardust Memories \n9. Bullets Over Broadway \n10. Husbands And Wives\n\n\n','3b64d8fbf39913e82763eccfdd86d4ed',0,'','A4tn7Hlj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3884,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044260034,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','Why didn\'t anyone say \"Everyone Says I Love You\"? In my opinion it\'s one of his very best films and really his last \"great\" film. What happened to Allen? He made 3 brilliant films in a row (\"Bullets..., \"Everyone\"...\"Deconstructing Harry\") and then followed up with tons of crap (everything from \"Celebrity to \"Hollywood Ending\" (which SUCKED!).','b75020e9382c2a65794ebe56bfcc3c48',0,'','WjCQAJ20',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3885,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044260277,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','Why didn\'t anyone say \"Everyone Says I Love You\"? In my opinion it\'s one of his very best films and really his last \"great\" film. What happened to Allen? He made 3 brilliant films in a row (\"Bullets..., \"Everyone\"...\"Deconstructing Harry\") and then followed up with tons of crap (everything from \"Celebrity to \"Hollywood Ending\" (which SUCKED!).','b75020e9382c2a65794ebe56bfcc3c48',0,'','A3tj0LhE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3886,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045621799,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dbfilmmaker','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','Allen\'s Best: (in no particular order)\nHusbands and Wives\nManhattan Murder Mystery\nSleeper\nAnnie Hall\nRadio Days\nPurple Rose of Cairo\nManhattan\nHannah and Her Sisters\nBroadway Danny Rose\nZelig\n\n','a2feca1d22588fb27d7f353c8b64199a',0,'','rvfFmb5Q',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3887,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046103572,1,0,1,1,1,1,'paredes','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','I pretty much agree with the movies included on these lists as my favourites of his, but \"Hannah and Her Sisters\" will always be right on top for me, that\'s my favourite Woody Allen film.','cdfa59547857613d6cb4cba79c444972',0,'','26YEzrJP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3888,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046160756,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Arletty','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','Sleeper\nAnnie Hall\nManhattan\nZelig\nHannah and Her Sisters\nThe Purple Rose of Cairo\nBroadway Danny Rose\nCrimes and Misdemeanours\nStardust Memories\nPlay It Again Sam','f9c57743fb7ba609865e364417e58cb3',0,'','RMGjg0p8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3889,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059003703,1,0,1,1,1,1,'shaylahilt','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen',' 1. Annie Hall\n 2. Manhattan\n 3. Sleeper\n 4. Hannah and Her Sisters\n 5. Crimes and Misdemeanors\n 6. Husbands and Wives\n 7. Love and Death\n 8. Bananas\n 9. Zelig\n10. Deconstructing Harry\n\nin about that order...','2654ebb51b6d7247bc3eb4664c6dbbfe',0,'','KVr7gbEc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3890,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059791113,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','1) Annie Hall\n2) Manhattan\n3) Love and Death\n4) Manhattan Murder Mystery\n5) Broadway Danny Rose\n6) Bullets Over Broadway\n7) Hannah and her Sisters\n8) Sleepers\n9) Zelig\n10) Radio Days','5f3791eb0513490c46a41cc19e1b8fcc',0,'','ARXryY1d',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3891,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060462615,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','1.  \"What\'s New, Tiger Lily?\"\n2.  \"Sleeper\"\n3.  \"Small Time Crooks\"\n4.  \"Curse of the Jade Scorpion\"\n5.  \"Hollywood Ending\"\n6.  \"Zelig\"\n7.  \"Annie Hall\"\n8.  \"Manhattan\"\n9.  \"Purple Rose of Cairo\"\n10. \"Bullets Over Broadway\"','63a7c46f1c27e537ac1ba7685d603816',0,'','HYDmqj7K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3892,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062404498,1,0,1,1,1,1,'cwilliams415','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','1:Manhattan\n2:Stardust Memories\n3:Interiors\n4:Annie Hall\n5:Everyone Says I Love You\n6:Purple Rose of Cairo, The\n7:Hannah and Her Sisters\n8:Bananas\n9:Hollywood Ending\n10:Sleeper','8c932c93027b28f1df4a153f2bc47c66',0,'','Zzucnwpj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3893,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062495161,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gony_72','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','These are in descending order of my favorites:\n1. Annie Hall\n2. Manhattan\n3. Radio Days\n4. Bullets over Broadway\n5. Love and Death\n6. Purple Rose of Cairo\n7. Zelig\n8. Hannah and her Sisters\n9. Broadway Danny Rose\n10. Play it Again, Sam\nhonorable mention: acting only, The Front','e7587fe0038bfdc0289d00a72772cac2',0,'','RvD1PlNd',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3894,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062950080,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pathewbach','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','I can\'t believe that nobody has included \"Mighty Aphrodite\".  Am I the only one who considers this one of Allen\'s masterpieces? My other 9 favourites, in no particular order, are:\nAnnie Hall\nShadows and Fog\nTake the Money and Run\nHannah and her Sisters\nRadio Days\nCrimes and Misdemeanors\nBullets over Broadway\nEveryone Says I Love You\nEverything You wanted to know about sex........','392d025fbe525ee9353e47adc0b2d6b2',0,'','18CQcbhj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3895,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1063381687,1,0,1,1,1,1,'keepsafe','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','1- Annie Hall\n2- Manhatten\n3- Stardust Memories\n4- Sleeper\n5- Radio Days\n6- Hannah & Her Sisters\n7- Love & Death\n8- Play it Again, Sam\n\n(That\'s all I saw that I really liked - Some old stuff had good scenes, like \"Take the Money,\" but .... eh.)','b8285562905d392c13154646ccfb5f43',0,'','kYfXzj2R',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3896,782,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068869320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Allen','At the moment, Woody is one of my main reasons for living.\n\n1= Annie Hall\n   Manhattan\n3. Love and Death (the funniest movie ever made)\n4. Hannah and Her Sisters\n5. Crimes and Misdomeanors\n6. Sweat and Lowdown\n7. Everyone Says I Love You\n8. Edipus Wrecks\n9. Bananas\n10. Small Time Crooks','72e6e71db4e586ad5d8d95cfa084364b',0,'','r8vyHDh5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3897,783,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019197999,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Great Directors\' 10 best films:Fassbinder','Veronika Voss\nBerlin-Alexanderplatz\nMarriage of Maria Braun\nIn a Year of 13 Moons\nDespair\nFox and His Friends\nAli: Fear Eats the Soul\nBitter Tears of Petra von Kant\nWhity\nBeware the Holy Whore','9e851102f01d4a1b50fbb42a40fb1e24',0,'','Jme7NiZa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3898,783,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1019209354,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Fassbinder','My 10(date order,favourites asterisked):\nThe Merchant of Four Seasons\nThe Bitter Tears of Petra Von Kant(not to be confused with the Bitter Tea of General Yen!)\nFear Eats the Soul*\nEffi Briest\nFox and his Friends\nThe Marriage of Maria Braun*\nIn a Year of 13 Moons\nBerlin Alexanderplatz\nLola\nVeronika Voss*\nI\'m not his greatest fan,i must admit,and have included a couple i\'m not over-keen on.','69cd12f7f510d851f78a927426940553',0,'','6esSPkqK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3899,783,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020607779,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Fassbinder','Having just seen Chinese Roulette,I\'d definitely place it in my top 5 Fassbinder;the cinematography by Michael Ballhaus is brilliant.Stylised yet mysterious.','2c80f82ca68e10b7711ae7864ddfe244',0,'','dRfMiJGQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3900,783,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020728315,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mr. West','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films:Fassbinder','\'Chinese Roulette\' is an excellent one.  That girl with the crutches just seems evil.  Just to add a couple more good ones that haven\'t been mentioned:\n\n1.Martha -- I\'d describe this one as a \"domestic horror film\"!  Copies of this rarity show up on eBay every now and then.\n\n2.Mother Kusters Goes to Heaven\n\n','c0658a8ba483321dadea0359425e8ac9',0,'','xLFpPi8w',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3901,784,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020729833,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mr. West','Great Directors\' 10 Best: Russell','Actually, the last 3 or 4 on this list are a little lack-lustre, but I refuse to list \'Women in Love\' or \'Altered States\'! (sorry, they\'re not my favorites):\n\n1. The Devils\n2. Savage Messiah\n3. Mahler\n4. Dante\'s Inferno\n5. The Music Lovers\n6. Valentino\n7. Crimes of Passion\n8. Lisztomania\n9. Tommy\n10. Lair of the White Worm','23056dce83712fd46d50b3f9b1ff3d0c',0,'','Bn5SAC4u',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3902,784,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020909259,1,0,1,1,1,1,'esackman','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best: Russell','It is good to see Russell get some acknowledgment, as I consider him one of the most underrated directors in films today. Though, actually, I can\'t come up with a list of 10, because I have\nonly seen 12 of his films, 8 films , which I liked. They are in the order that I liked them . . .\n1. Lair of the White Worm\n2. Tommy\n3. Altered States\n4. Women in Love\n5. Music Lovers\n6. Devils\n7. Aria\n8. Valentino\nand 4 of his films which I disliked. And they are in order from least disliked to most disliked . . .\n4. Women and Men: Stories of Seduction\n3. Salome\'s Last Dance\n2. Gothic\n1. Billion Dollar Brain\nAs for \"Lair of the White Worm,\" it is not is best film, he has done better, but it is his most underrated. It is such a multi-layered film, that even his fans tend to underrate it. It has to be seen multiple times to appreciate all that it contains.\n\n6. Aria\n','e3733c3874fe47779e1e846fbb5d967f',0,'','ld7k9nJv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3903,784,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020958584,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mr. West','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best: Russell','Ah, you listed \'Altered States\'...\n\nI just can\'t get into that one.  It just seems like Spielberg crap to me.  For a director who made the brilliant \'The Devils\' nine years before, I find \'Altered States\' pretty disappointing.  After seeing \'The Devils\' and \'Savage Messiah,\' though, I guess I had some very tall expectations... ','8c58905a15d61757b44e7bc987105cfd',0,'','mKupyvzw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3904,784,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1020988417,1,0,1,1,1,1,'esackman','Re: Great Directors\' 10 Best: Russell','No need to apologize for not liking \"Altered States.\" It is just good to see someone else who likes Russell. A much neglected director. What he can do with lights--both artifical and natural--to light a scene. No one is his equal, unless it is David Lynch. That is why I think I like \"Altered States\" so. It is the best lighted of his films. I remember one scene, where you have a shot of William Hurt down a long, dark hallway. He opens the door . . . but, you can\'t see anything in front of him, because there is a sudden, brilliant white light in front of him. That shot just blew me away.\nI just want to mention, that after I wrote my first message, I saw \"The Rainbow.\" I place it on my like list, between \"Aria\" and \"Valentino.\" Enjoy!','8bb71921355471be690e71ba5963eeed',0,'','wX7L0Md8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3905,785,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1021387409,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pia01evb','10 best Truffaut films','1.Les 400 coups                                                       2.Jules et Jim                                                         3.Day for night                                                       4.L\'enfant sauvage                                                     5.Shoot the pianist                                                     6.The man who loved women                                                       7.The green room                                                        8.Anne and Murial                                                      9.Stolen kisses                                                      10.The story of Adele H.                                                          Also Soft Skin,and A gorgeous kid like me(even tough not many other people seem to like it,but I don\'t care!)                                                                                                    ','371131c0ef20479ee00499558a311ce7',0,'','jqksgbfw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3906,785,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1021407648,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: 10 best Truffaut films','My personal favourites are Anne and Muriel, Les 400 Coups\nand Mississippi Mermaid (though i last saw this many years ago). Shoot the Pianist, Jules et Jim, Stolen Kisses, The Wild Child, Day for Night, The Story of Adele H, The Man who Loved Women, The Green Room, Vivement Dimanche not far behind. Many fine films, but relatively few masterpieces, i think.\nThe Green Room\nVivement Dimanche\n','fa57a76c6e86043bd470d2f9d485daba',0,'','9b0mz7uZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3907,785,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024304516,1,0,1,1,1,1,'lildeville_14','Re: 10 best Truffaut films','Well I would put Les Quatre Cents coups first without a doubt (my 3rd favourite film of all time) then \n\n2. Day for Night &lt;br&gt;\n3. Jules et Jim &lt;br&gt;\n4. Stolen Kisses &lt;br&gt;\n5. Shoot the piano player &lt;br&gt;\n\nOh this is annoying! I hate lists well, anyway Two English Girls, Wild Child, The Last Metro, The bride wore black aren\'t far behind. I still have to see many others including Small Change.','f80af726acf1c8b6001806cb73f9102f',0,'','aVAQ2nFy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3908,785,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033642683,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: 10 best Truffaut films','I was gonna post this sooner or later. I am a HUGE! Truffaut fan, haven written a biography on him years ago and analyzed all his films.\n\nThe 400 Blows\nJules and Jim\nShoot the Piano Player\nStolen Kisses\nDay for Night\nThe Last Metro\nSmall Change\nBed & Board\nTwo English Girls\nThe Green Room','b6b0b56792bfe21a0f8f0c5610544ba0',0,'','GKdYr8sU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3909,785,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033780999,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: 10 best Truffaut films','The 400 blows is one of the films I have seen in my life...maybe you could answer one question I have Bigpopa:\n\nThe last scene where Antoine Doinel runaway from the institution he is in to reach the sea and then while he reaches the sand and see the sea he suddenly looks at the camera with an empty expression on his face\n\nI never knew what Truffaut or Doniel meant by that! any thoughts?','8b7914d2da5f52944460bd3ba0cad2ce',0,'','fcbVz9DA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3910,785,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033923922,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: 10 best Truffaut films','Perhaps it was deliberately ambiguous - one of the great things about cinema is that it is what you make of it. It is for you to decide what Truffaut/Doinel means.','7a7e8139d94420b745f074527b262542',0,'','qJkbEFm9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3911,785,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034090300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: 10 best Truffaut films','thanks Gaz, you could be right....then what do you make of it? It left me a little bit empty, maybe after so much running away and trying to find a way out, when he finally did it was nothing there. \n\nI don\'t mean empty as  a bad film, the other way round, a very powerfull momment that is. \n\n','4720d8438f5345a90ff200a54e891f0b',0,'','CDuqgXwZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3912,786,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1021387830,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pia01evb','10 best Malle films','1.Au Revoir Les Enfants                                                     2.Le Feu Follet                                                      3.Le Souffle Au Coeur 4.The Indian Phantom                                                     5.Les Amants                                                      6.Lacombe,Lucien                                            7.Atlantic City                                                        8.Zazie Dans Le Metro                                                       9.My Dinner With Andre                                                       10.Milou en Mai               Also Lift To The Scaffold,Vanya On 42nd Street and Pretty Baby.','8c69d0b466f5fe9baa1c34cb5aa3feb0',0,'','kjEWTYKC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3913,786,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1021408018,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: 10 best Malle films','I\'ve had mixed reactions; most enjoyed Le Souffle au Coeur. Au Revoir Les Enfants may be his best, Atlantic City impressive, too. Les Amants was fun. Didn\'t find My Dinner with Andre appetising, Le Feu Follet rather tediously depressing, imho, though i know many rate it among his best. ','430d3a5afe766cedde4adfee683e44ae',0,'','LUza4gKX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3914,786,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1023762834,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: 10 best Malle films','Le Souffle is my favourite film ever - I could watch it at any time and in any mood. Lacombe Lucien is stunning, as is Au Revoir les Enfants. These would be my Malle top three. I love Atlantic City too, and I can understand why Les Amants was so important. As for My Dinner with Andre, I watched it once and quite enjoyed it, but I\'m not sure I could do it again. I have tried to watch Le Feu Follet on several occasions, but haven\'t reached the end yet - I\'m sure it\'s worth it, but it\'s so heavygoing!\n\nFor me, Malle\'s work with child actors marks him out from the rest - only a few (Truffaut, maybe Spielberg, Bergman in Fanny and Alexander) can match him. In Le Souffle Au Coeur and Au Revoir les Enfants in particular the casting is faultless.','a1ed9b5d54f413480c883f01bf8a08b0',0,'','dzEe6lqw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3915,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024540459,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger',' 5films i love tohate','1.life is beautiful.\n2.salo\n3.1900\n4.fellini satyricon\n5.death in venice','ec2aaeb707436796c1b2abe3acc8c00f',0,'','NmKJBfHA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3916,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1025058150,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re:  5films i love tohate','obviously-you are a total Knob Head','599bcfd9f36089567b5ce0af713b0a75',0,'','rtQUu6Tx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3917,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1025495357,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re:  5films i love tohate','dear jimmy floyd you are a great footballer but i disagree with your opinion on my 5 films i love to hate,what are yours ps i love man u.','6be6acee323fd4adf4e9a48886a54a1e',0,'','wYHBznTb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3918,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1026159684,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jasonrichardsmith','Re:  5films i love tohate','satyricon was great cinematography.  One of the few Fellinis I like','e993febb0777ef02296fbe3d7fd6d613',0,'','RDZ1Y2Ni',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3919,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032452273,1,0,1,1,1,1,'catalao','Re:  5films i love tohate','Yes Satyricon is a great film, especially today when everything is so neatly packaged, using the same clichés, even in so many non-hollywood films\n','322283a745f1eed308fd916fa27ccd90',0,'','96HdFR0y',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3920,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035159802,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ygie','Re:  5films i love tohate','Like Water for Chocolate.\nLife is beautiful.\nGabbeh.\nMediterraneo.\nTaste of Cherry.\nBurnt Money.\nRules of the Game.','12116d8860a9e06d30395694fabaf05c',0,'','tvwlpHNq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3921,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035401459,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re:  5films i love tohate','1/  Life Is Beautiful\n2/  Schindler\'s List\n3/  Amelie\n4/  Austin Powers (1 through 3)\n5/  Happiness','fe785c31c7330b8852350a4aa9791d72',0,'','E0SHuPw9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3922,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036182601,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re:  5films i love tohate','blimey I am with you I HATE The Shindle\'s List (bloody bad bad manipulative film that is, and people fall for ot) I hate it!...\n\nLife Is beutiful (where is my sick back?)\n\nSalo (no no noooo)\n\nQuerelle By fassbinder. ((I mean....you know, it\'s fine wateva sexual orientaion one has but this is too much for me to take sorry!)','c9bea13d574a186650cccdb7ecc251fe',0,'','gCiqma5K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3923,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036527430,1,0,1,1,1,1,'aviv71','Re:  5films i love tohate','Star Wars...all of them...can\'t keep them straight.','0cbc299b933391c784ce49781e80a154',0,'','1FkMzigb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3924,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036643826,1,0,1,1,1,1,'chris','Re:  5films i love tohate','Its not that Schindlers List is a bad movie its just that Spielberg just cannot end his films properly.Private Ryan was great until they finf Ryan,right?','8b9cc11dda356dc1a3d061687193ad9b',0,'','PGYKNsBD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3925,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036657544,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re:  5films i love tohate','Frankly, I think \'A Clockwork Orange\' is the most overrated bunch of tasteless, worthless, pointless bunk I have ever witnessed.  How that same mind could produce Dr. Strangelove is utterly amazing.','37c5ebd201981bec2e553a7ecf5e5232',0,'','cF78o2ky',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3926,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036724314,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re:  5films i love tohate','yes,i used to love a clockwork orange when i was young but i grew up now my young daughter loves it ,must be in the genes.at least i have turned her on to tarkovsky so she will learn what\'s possible.stuff a \"CROCKWORK LEMON\"\ni hate the bloody thing!kubrick can be so cold & that\'s not just because he is dead,DR STRANGELOVE is my favourite english language film....cheers','e2a2df0cb10aa2a95d2b37fbd1d3321e',0,'','uQtGsl5K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3927,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036881177,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re:  5films i love tohate','I\'m happy that someone\'s mentioned CLOCKWORK ORANGE (I\' saw it at least 20 times as a kid).  I don\'t hate it, but I think that one of the poster touched on the problem I have with the film.  It\'s a young person\'s film!  It\'s a lovely way to introduce kid in their late teen to \"serious\" cinema, but I think, more the most part, we end up growing \"away\" from it as we get older.\n\nto gimferrer:  The reason I hate SCHINDLER\'S LIST is because of the scene with the little girl.  Up until that point I was caught up in the story and, although I won\'t say I was \"enjoying\" it, I was rivetted.  Then the little girl comes in and she\'s the only one in colour.  ARRRGH!  I said on another site that this was a sign that the \"new\", \"serious\" Speilberg was actually, \"A Neil Simon pretending to be a Shakespeare!  A Danielle Steele pretending to be a Jane Austen!  And worse...He was still just a Spielberg pretending to be a Kubrick!\"\n\nOh yeah...QUERELLE?  It\'s a bad film, but I pee myself laughing whenever I see it!\n','cc47e3152effeb5e4654fcdbe29df41b',0,'','7wiofAV6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3928,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038449315,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nickpilarski','Re:  5films i love tohate','Ok Life Is beautiful was very god and same with Amelie. I think you don\'t like them because they are \"alternative movies\" and they made it. I also think that people like that terrible film Clockwork Orange because it\'s \"alternative.\" I admit that I do get quite upset when a total meet head gets upset when they try to brag about watching a \"foreign film.\" But I have learned to accept that, if its good then its good regardless of who wrote it or directed it, or acted in it.','3b3823d09b218e20d1c3722812f5f903',0,'','Z4DBCfQS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3929,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038454030,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re:  5films i love tohate','One thing in response to what has been mentioned about \'A Clockwork Orange\', actually I liked that earlier referrence of \'A Crockwork Lemon\', being a young person\'s film.  That is an accurate label as far as I have been able to ascertain, but I saw the movie for the first, and only time, at around age 16 or 17 and couldn\'t stand it from the start.  Just exactly what was Kubrick trying to do, make me dream about penises all night?  Four other films I did not like:\nLord of the Rings(watched it while babysitting my nephew-sorry, but it had to be qualified)\n\nPretty Woman\n\nBoogie Nights\n\nCrouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon\n\n\n\n','02aeea067ab83653e8b8edeaf6570de1',0,'','UiT42Jln',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3930,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038504380,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re:  5films i love tohate','My Fair Lady (make your bed...abhorrence)\n\nSnow White and the Seven Dwarfs (make your bed and do the dishes and dust...assert a bunch of midgets...yuk)\n\nJamaica Inn (awful Hitch, awful Laughton)\n\nNinja Scroll (in contrast to options such as Miyazaki, I find anime of this kind unimaginative and epistemologically abusive...but Heavy Metal 2000 is ten times worse)\n\nGigi (I have a block with this film, I have no idea why I hate it...)','804a0a4dcc085264d07cbbb00a95374a',0,'','p0sclxv5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3931,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038504939,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re:  5films i love tohate','admin-2\n\nI think the selection of Happiness is a good call. I saw the first half in 4:3 one time and liked it so much I demanded widescreen action at a later date. Since this is impossible without shelling out, I watched it again. Got to half-way thought it wasn\'t having the same affect. Got to the end (just) and wondered how an interesting beginning could wander so astray. It felt like average PT Anderson to me. I think the social dysfunction concept is all Solondz has, one kernal of an idea that his clearly mild mannered educated existence cannot rationalise beyond spite and scorn. I think I can see him going down the same path as Tim Burton. The estranged geek who makes films with jock badguys. Still getting over the punishment of high school.  Burton should make an American Pie 3 and cast Solondz as a hall monitor.','44e71cfc4ffe82c819c4ed69f0c3de14',0,'','JRojSQyd',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3932,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038548456,1,0,1,1,1,1,'H20gateburgler','Re:  5films i love tohate','Some day I\'m going to find someone willing to climb down from their ivory tower and agree with me that WAGES OF FEAR is not exciting, breathtaking and tense but just a plain bore.','393e7af33be976d78151de3f0e699452',0,'','uypS0XrB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3933,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038550382,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re:  5films i love tohate','It won\'t be me.','3bfb6436a847fa7869889c9585f79d53',0,'','Cfc6uF1A',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3934,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038580424,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re:  5films i love tohate','Time to shake things up a bit: I love My Fair Lady - it\'s an absolute masterpiece. But...I don\'t like (shock horror) L\'Avventura! Please someone argue with me.','fac9fa5adf9780cca2bea041ebc04733',0,'','lwXtP0UE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3935,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038587324,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re:  5films i love tohate','Wages of Fear...i have only seen it once, and at a time when i was mess conducive to being critical. invoking it in my memory, i would probably agree, given its length, that it does not realise a comprehensive tension throughout. i still think it\'s well worth a look, though.\n\nI must apologise for My Fair Lady...I was thinking Julie Andrews and crossing my wires with Audrey. I meant \n\nMARY POPPINS \n\n(hence my bedroom reference makes sense...any ideology that asserts cleaning the bed as necessarily a *fun* activity is, in my mind, dubious. we all know that bedroom fun involves creating a ruckus.) I do like the umbrella though.','20d05619761b4549363333f00de7233a',0,'','bHquFaT6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3936,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1039592211,1,0,1,1,1,1,'chris','Re:  5films i love tohate','I finally saw The Night Porter after years of searching for it and I must admit to my terrible disapointment.What a wretched piece of pretentious art nonsense.What stopped me from ripping it out of my DVD player was watching the lovely Charlotte Rampling.What were they all thinking? ','dbd54cea707a4b1547c6cc418edb5d20',0,'','kujg8p2x',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3937,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041027329,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mark_med_2','Re:  5films i love tohate','L\'Avventura by Antonioni was a complete bore to me. Before I get flamed by everyone on this message board, let me explain why...It certainly wasn\'t the cinematagraphy; that was absolutely the best part of it. Nearly every frame had a picturesque quality to it. Black and White films don\'t get much better looking than this. I think what left me so  cold while watching this film was the \"language\" Antonioni invented for portraying his new ideas for film. Each shot was so artificially staged: Characters stood in doorways within doorways, or stood in front of windows that looked out into nothing, saying nothing. I\'ve seen this movie 4 times now, the last being about 2 weeks ago, and on that occasion, I decided to listen to the alternate commentary track by a film historian just to see what I was missing from my interpretation of it. This film buff, who\'s name escapes me, just gushed all over it. Even with the meaning of all the sets, locations, backgrounds, body-lanquage,   and non-existant dialogue explained to me, I still couldn\'t keep from yawning at all the effort and pains Antonioni took to remind us that these were \"un-emotional\" and \"insecure\" privledged people of the upper classes. Other than Monica Vitti\'s quiet, underplayed role, there wasn\'t anyone with a drop of sincerity or passion in them. I\'m not sure if it was exactly the subject matter or the concentration required to decode the whole thing, but by the end, I was left feeling more than a little bored and relieved to see it finally end. I should mention that I\'ve seen several other Antonioni films and really enjoyed them! Blowup was beautifully shot and intriguing to ponder with an extremely intense final third of the movie. Red Desert had some incredibly haunting images, but wasn\'t as interesting as Blowup. Has anyone else noticed these points about L\'Avventurra or am I being dense? This is only my opinion, and should not prevent anyone from enjoying it if that is what they like. I just wanted to express my own reaction to this \"masterpiece\".','74df256dc6c7dd8257419b17b3cdb212',0,'','lNZAvwhX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3938,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041083566,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re:  5films i love tohate','I\'m onside about L\'Avventura, but if you don\'t like it then why is it no. 4 on your top 10 list?','6a45b586a8fe05ca9cc538587c82c0ce',0,'','QRJY5Wgh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3939,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059745042,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re:  5films i love tohate','some people grow up that\'s why films they liked before, when they watch them again, they\'re not so good anymore.  Right.  so being a young person, I\'ve got a lot more films to watch,  but, yeah, i don\'t like star wars. and matrix reloaded is bad.  life is beautiful, and talk to her.  and I don\'t like \'The Hours\' either.  It did remind me of three colors Blue though...','3e4cfa3804702c400d092d1b9a33163b',0,'','SYagt2ph',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3940,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060947199,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mezincescue','Re:  5films i love tohate','Films get dated. And we get older and start to dislike what\nattracted us before. Still, some of us keep \"the favorites\"list forever.My list of favorites had changed\nand a lot of it fell out of the list, including Pasolini\nBunuel and above mentioned \"L\'Avventura\". The \"hate\" list\nthough, started to grow and added \"Cinema Paradiso\", \"Life is beautiful\" and much more to ever hated classics as\n\"Death in Venice\", \"Andrey Rublev\" /and all Tarkovsky/ and\n\"The Sounds of music\". The cornball comes in different forms, but those packed as \"intellectual\" is no less junk\nthan any Hollywood junk, just not so straightforward.  ','c1e81581bde0233bb3cc43d79f5970b6',0,'','GtWu0M6V',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3941,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061424013,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re:  5films i love tohate','This intrigues me.  Most films I love to hate are American.  I think Vertigo is garbage and even Topaz is a better Hitchcock film.  Let\'s not forget Shane a god awful western if ever there was one.  Nothing can be hated more than boring three hour Oscar winning Hollywood musicals though.  West Side Story, My Fair Lady, The Sound of Music, and especially Oliver are among the worst films ever.  I can\'t forget Mel Brooks\' The Producers the most obnoxious and unfunny comedy ever made, even Dracula Dead and Loving It was better Brooks.  As for foreign films I\'ll just ask what the hell everyone praises L\'Atalante for.','0fb8f43358f17567c316595b28a1b080',0,'','guCqUDPH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3942,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061494177,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re:  5films i love tohate','My own opinions are almost exactly the opposite to everything above - I love Vertigo, The Producers and all the musicals above, especially My Fair Lady. As for L\'Atalante, I suppose if you don\'t get it, you don\'t get it.','efe87217751e2404fa48a01828e68520',0,'','WqBfUXAb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3943,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061517209,1,0,1,1,1,1,'felipejuanfroilan','Re:  5films i love tohate','OK wpqx, the beauty of L\'Atalante is its reality. Pretty woman can be a good fiction romantic film, in L\'Atalante you only see love and poetry in a REAL relationship. And I think it is the first realistic film in Europe, after the success of expressionism and surrealism. And afterwards, Rossellini over the rest.','a31fb0dd51f79346e9fd77a8d2d76ea7',0,'','wWQB6gi1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3944,787,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061521477,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re:  5films i love tohate','L\'atalante is imagination & innovation an excellent study of love & marriage,Vertigo is a look at a man who wants to have sex with a woman who is dead!Both worthwhile subjects for film :)hasn\'t wpqx ever been in love? to bag these 2 classics is staggering.','de0c2aef00cfde6528e2965318692d26',0,'','hcE1Apyu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3945,788,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1024723954,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hallcinematic','Some movies that matter','Here is a list of some movies that matter...\n\nAbout a Boy (2002)\nA Clockwork Orange (1971)\nAlmost Famous (2000)\nAmores Perros (2001) Love&#8217;s a Bitch\nBefore the Rain (1994)\nBreaking the Waves (1996)\nCasablanca (1943)\nContact (1997)\nCourage Under Fire (1996)\nDancer in the Dark (2000)\nDer Krieger Und Die Kaiserin (2001) The Princess and the Warrior\nDonnie Darko (2001)\nDo the Right Thing (1989)\nFight Club (1999)\nGhost World (2001)\nHoop Dreams (1994)\nInsomnia (2002)\nIn the Mouth of Madness (1995)\nLost Highway (1997)\nMean Streets (1973)\nMemento (2001)\nMonster&#8217;s Ball (2001)\nMulholland Drive (2001)\nNattvardsgästerna (1962) Winter Light\nOdishon (2001) Audition\nPsycho (1960)\nSeven (1995)\nSlacker (1991)\nSpoorloos (1988) The Vanishing\nThe Crying Game (1992)\nThe Limey (1999)\nVertigo (1958)\nWaking Life (2001)\nY Tu Mama Tambien (2002) And Your Mother Too','6a3bfbe01df0083a9c5da68ee95809e5',0,'','XJ6dETGH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3946,789,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1025379597,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mani_fh','Everything you need to know about Iranian Cinema','Everything you need to know about Iranian Cinema\n\nTrailers\nFull-length online videos\nArticles\nAnd more...\n\nJoin us at:\nhttp://groups.msn.com/IranianCinema','3c5737b0c4207c218654d1550c444dc7',0,'','RnGYaHif',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3947,789,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1026251421,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Everything you need to know about Iranian Cinema','Thanks for the invite. I\'m certainly an admirer of Iranian films, which have put most other countries to shame over the last decade and more. ','d7a6e6d34c6f967d5a51c29c2a427c23',0,'','fcDwEMGS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3948,789,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1030784553,1,0,1,1,1,1,'sia','Re: Everything you need to know about Iranian Cinema','Just saw this one. I just started a thread on Iranian movie subject. I may joint the forum.','0a6776e0fad12c3900a774e1cf8c4736',0,'','2mwaZdRf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3949,790,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1027328202,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Best single year for foreign films','I thought perhaps this might get some of your brain cells firing.  Of course there are going to be great movies that are released every year, but some are exceptional.  I\'m fairly new to the foreign film game so any and all opinions help out tremendously.  After a quick study I noticed 1960 looked like a great year for film.  Italy alone produced:\nL\'avventura-Antonioni\nLa Dolce Vita-Fellini\nRocco and his Brothers-Visconti\nTwo Women-De Sica\n1960 also saw the release of\nBallad of a Soldier-Chukrai-Soviet Union\nLe Petit Soldat-Godard-France\nHuman Condition II-Kobayashi-Japan\nShoot the Piano Player-Truffaut-France\nVirgin Spring-Bergman-Sweden\nDevi-Ray-India\nAre there any other opinions or do I need to find a second job?\n\n\n\n','e600a00e13e0f0c01d81898b0d7d205b',0,'','nbg8QlAe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3950,790,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1027436669,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Best single year for foreign films','1960 also came to my mind before i saw your suggestion; i think Breathless (Godard) is given as that year too. Also, Cloud-Capped Star (Ghatak), and Mughal-e-Azam (Asif)- Indian classics; Black Sunday (Bava), Lola (Demy), Les Bonnes Femmes (Chabrol), Le Trou (Becker), Lady with a Little Dog (Heifits). Dates aren\'t always accurately given; i understand the imdb is more trustworthy than most, haven\'t checked these.\n\nWhat about 1953: Tokyo Story, Ugetsu Monogatari, The Earrings of Madame de, The Wages of Fear, Voyage to Italy, and Monsieur Hulot\'s Holiday (this may be 1952).\n\n1955: Pather Panchali, Ordet, Lola Montes, Diaboliques, Tales of the Taira Clan, Floating Clouds, Bob le Flambeur, Smiles of a Summer Night, Death of a Cyclist.\n\n1966: Andrei Rublev, Persona, Balthazar, The Battle of Algiers, Closely Observed Trains, Two or Three Things i Know about Her, The Rise to Power of Louis xiv, Le Deuxieme Souffle, Diasies, Tokyo Drifter, Here is Your Life.\n\nOf recent years, 2000 seems strong: Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Amores Perros, In the Mood for Love, A One and a Two, Dancer in the Dark, Blackboards, The Circle, Solas, Show me Love, Code Unknown, Himalaya, Eureka, Werckmeister Harmonies... Time will tell.','b561db095a1d5b757786cbac812ac915',0,'','QwYJ6ECg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3951,790,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1027440041,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Best single year for foreign films','The 50\'s and 60\'s were great decades for foreign films. I should add 1963; 8 1/2, The Leopard, Contempt, Barren Lives, The Executioner, The Silence, An Actor\'s Revenge, Muriel, Raven\'s End, Le Feu Follet, Judex\n\nand 1968; no superstars but strong in depth: My Night with Maud, The Hour of the Furnaces, Memories of Underdevelopment, The Cow, La Femme Infidele, Goto Isle of Love, Death by Hanging, Theorem, Lucia, Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach, Shame (and Once Upon a Time in The West was officially Italian).\n\nThen again, 1974 had 3 personal favourites; Mirror, Alice in the Cities, Celine and Julie go Boating.\n\n1994 seems to have been a good year;Three Colours Red/ White, Chungking Express, Burnt by the Sun, Satantango, To Live, Silences of the Palace, Through the Olive Trees, Queen Margot, Wild Reeds.\n\nI don\'t think there\'s a clear winner; i\'ll be interested to see if there\'s a consensus here. ','acef569629ca72de7d7dda6e2b6bb508',0,'','LjATFWq9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3952,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1027458603,1,0,1,1,1,1,'verbal_nz','What makes a \"Great\" Director?','Perusing through our topics here and there, reading with especial interest the thread on best directors of all time...What does make a director great in your opinion?  Is it because you like the films that they make? Is that the sole qualification? Or is it more of the subtle or invisible?\nTheir choice of shot?\nTheir cinematography?\nPerhaps their reputation?\nTheir particular technique of juxtaposing soundtrack and shot?\n\nI\'m curious, as the more I think about it, the more I think the essence of a director\'s work is nothing we can see tangibly in the finished product of a film.. it\'s more elusive than that.  A great director can elicit a great performance from a good actor - but is that obvious in the finished product?\n\nI\'d love to hear what others have to say. ','d64851a7ad4078b16052ab004b6c095e',0,'','w5ckj7Ju',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3953,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1027527549,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','Mastery of specifically cinematic expression; integrity of vision (i.e not just following fashion or pandering to commercial expectations); development of recognisable personal style; emotional, intellectual and social-political depth; willingness to experiment/ push back boundaries without fear of rejection. And a dose of good old humanity thrown in for good measure. Hope this doesn\'t sound too imposing or pretentious! Perhaps not all these qualities, but the more the merrier.','c153ad922a80ca5215469e1d85b88001',0,'','frSRoygU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3954,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1027529230,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','Oh, and psychological insight, visual imagination and awareness (eg eye for composition), and spiritual depth, too. I should have thought about this a bit longer. It might help if i were a film-maker.','1f532a1f3e09956108e76c9043b84c95',0,'','M0AV4adx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3955,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1027530623,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','Sorry to hog this thread so far, but it also seems that having some form of background in painting is hardly a hindrance to becoming a great director. Eisenstein, Mizoguchi, Satyajit Ray, Renoir, Kurosawa, Murnau, Fellini, Welles, Bresson for starters. And not surprisingly, the theatre has an obvious link- Welles and Eisenstein again, Dreyer, Ophuls , Bergman, Griffith....The other main route seems to be directly from film school/criticism; Scorsese, Godard, Truffaut, Paradjanov, Tarkovsky...  But scouring the art colleges seems to me the best bet for any country wanting to develop/regain a cinema reputation. ','9a4f188071a7c08ab24ceaaf48b0e184',0,'','txTbfAXV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3956,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1027532201,1,0,1,1,1,1,'verbal_nz','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','I definitely agree that a background in theatre or painting helps.  \n\nWhat do you think sets apart a great director from merely a good one?\n\nThis is all just intellectual, just out of curiosity.','3a5cd77c7f937251035cfd90af8dd651',0,'','r7n9glMV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3957,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1030784254,1,0,1,1,1,1,'sia','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','A great director does not have a formula to make a masterpieces. It is simply an extension of his/her political views. And director’s ideology were formed from director’s social class. A great director tells you the same story over and over, however in different form and different way. As he/she becomes socio-politically more mature or more aware her stories change their form only not the substance. In the mean time if you “understand”director’s point of view and if you find him convincing, then you would like him and you would appreciate his views (movies) thus he becomes your favorite. ','faeadb3dbece6a2bbba06db8f3ec12f3',0,'','2FE16W8s',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3958,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032334404,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','what makes a great director? see,really see the films of jean renoir \"the wisest man to make films\" the unsentimental\nhumanity of his films says it all.','f377b214004c692dbfcad18331ad6d22',0,'','LpUhagWY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3959,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032337589,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','Yeah, it was Renoir i was using as my main yardstick; particularly, as you say, for his humanity. A perfect example of a great director.','902803a7264bff8dbdcb1879929fdd3d',0,'','YZ4RfB8L',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3960,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033642765,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','\"What Makes a Great Director\"?\n\nAnswer: You must have the first name Jean, and your last name must be Renoir.','a93b181596d38e34980351f15c8d8325',0,'','TtfPSBJa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3961,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033780821,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','ha haaa! ask bergman he lives like a monk and writes and writes and writes and writes while he is asleep and dreams while writing...','a255c21b3d0732776554de3adc4f3cc5',0,'','f1azKNsX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3962,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034141430,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','big poppa you sound like a wise man who knows &loves his films,renoir \"imcomparable\"....cheers','c8ade946b7cbd4f461ec2984ee03346f',0,'','jsSd0pzn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3963,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034187158,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','Yes, clever, but does bigpoppa truly think Renoir is the only great director, or does he just have a smart mouth? Surely others are worthy - I would consider Malle, Herzog, Kieslowski etc. great directors. Not always perfect films but unquestionably masters at their best. It\'s worth remembering that a great director will not always make great films - as far as I\'m concerned, the greatest directors will take risks and experiment (not that Renoir doesn\'t do that...).','d3481315ed4cb3b998f3b11608fa392b',0,'','THPaV3xy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3964,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034188539,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MichaelMac28','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','What makes a \"Great\" Director?\n\nA \"great director should see an image and be able to grasp it on film. A director is the most important person on the set, creatively speaking. It is their job to create the scene.If a director can do that, then they are \"great\". \n\nAnchero Manas, is one of those great directors. His work in EL BOLA was superb. If you get the chance to see it, I suggest you do so. I just ordered my copy of his movie on DVD through the filmmovement.','d716e30890fd3a325afe799fe2240b9e',0,'','CRAM3ftF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3965,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034744430,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','Avoid Hollywood.','708af2bad42079e42c98344ffab473a1',0,'','UFxo942X',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3966,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035140390,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','The best directors are those that have a world view that informs their work (we expect it of composers and painters...why not filmmakers?).  They must also NOTpander to the public.  A Beethoven (especially in his later work) and a Picasso never gave the impression that they cared about the \"public\".  They did what they HAD to do.\n\nThere are few directors of film that follow these rules.  \n\nSpielberg panders all the time because he wants to be loved.  Kurosawa attempted suicide in the early \'70\'s because he was out of favour in Japan.  Coppola (a good director) would rather make wine than make personal (if unpopular) films.  Are these people artists in the truest sense of the word?  Perhaps!\n\nBut...I would rather watch a bad, but heartfelt and personal film by Altman than anything by Spielberg.  I\'d rather watch a flawed, but deeply humanistic film by Renoir, than the later work of Kurosawa.  I\'d rather laugh at one of Buñuel\'s \"hack\" films from Mexico (say THE GREAT MADCAP) then \"Jack\" or \"Bram Stoker\'s Dracula\" by Coppola.  And...I would rather watch any film by Michael Powell, Orson Welles, Stanley Kubrick, Chantal Akerman, Ingmar Bergman or even (more recently) Brad Anderson, then just about anyone else out there.  They are true \"originals\" who are making or have made films that they HAD to make.  They never leave the impression that their films are \"just jobs\".  They truly care about their characters and their stories and their films, although often \"unsuccessful\", are truly heartfelt.','a6b79835f48e02e514b3c3828a62bf11',0,'','xKCU8q30',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3967,791,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035141603,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: What makes a \"Great\" Director?','I forgot to mention that a grest director has to inspire his collaborators (actors and technicians).  With the notable exception of Stanley Kubrick (and maybe Hitchcock),  I do not think that it is possible for any one person to make a great film.\n\nWould Orson Welles be considered great if he hadn\'t inspired cinematographers like Gregg Toland (CITIZEN KANE), Stanley Cortez (THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS) or Russell Metty (TOUCH OF EVIL)?\n\nGabriel Figueroa, one of the most dazzlingly inventive cinematographers that ever existed, trusted Buñuel so much that he was willing to NOT make a scene look pretty.  He totally suppressed HIS ego to bring Buñuel\'s vision to the screen.\n\nNeed I mention the \"stock companies\" of Altman, Renoir, Bergman, Allen, Ford, Hawks, Sturges and even Capra (who I don\'t like, but I still think is great).\n\nThese director inspire and nurture their relationship with their collaborators.  They treat them like equals and they are rewarded with work that makes them look like geniuses.  Perhaps that is the sign of a great director.  The ability to know when to keep your mouth shut and to accept the praise for work that others have done.','457afbd4d69bdd3b60e7e45fd3a08028',0,'','m7w9gHTu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3968,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1029526795,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Sight and Sound poll','Here\'s the result of the new Sight and Sound poll of international critics and directors (about half the critics and a clear majority of directors were from Britain and America, so it was quite anglicised. Africa, South America, eastern Europe and Arabic countries were still under-represented).\n\nCritics:\n\n 1. Citizen Kane (now there\'s a surprise!)\n 2. Vertigo\n 3. La Regle du Jeu\n 4. The Godfather 1&2\n 5. Tokyo Story\n 6. 2001: A Space Odyssey\n 7. Battleship Potemkin\n    Sunrise \n 9. 8 1/2\n10. Singin\' in the Rain\n(11= Seven Samurai, the Searchers)\n\nDirectors:\n\n1. Citizen Kane\n2. The Godfather 1 &2\n3. 8 1/2\n4. Lawrence of Arabia\n5. Dr Strangelove\n6. Bicycle Thieves\n   Raging Bull\n   Vertigo\n9. Rashomon\n   La Regle du Jeu\n   Seven Samurai \n\nMy favourites:\n\n 1. Sansho the Bailiff\n 2. Sunrise\n 3. Paris Texas\n 4. Andrei Rublev\n 5. North by North West\n 6. Alice in the Cities\n 7. 2001:A Space Odyssey\n 8. The Green Ray\n 9. Maborosi\n10= Seven Samurai\n    Some Like it Hot\n    Letter from an Unknown Woman\n(also; Abraham Valley,\n    La Regle du Jeu\n    Mirror\n    Vertigo\n    Tokyo Story\n    The Colour of Pomegranates\n    Tales of the Taira Clan\n    The Band Wagon).\n','1103b2a2440bb0058a5df737c9766423',0,'','jPbuQrE3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3969,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1029792891,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bjornam','Re: Sight and Sound poll','Hi,\n\nI read through the web pages of this poll at Sight and Sound, and what strikes me as interesting is that Citizen Kane is certainly the most mentioned film among the critics and directors - however; very few of them holds it as their favourite. A larger number holds \"Andrei Roublev\" or even \"The Battle of Algiers\" as a favourite. But then, C.K. is more widely seen.\n\nAhem, my own list.. (as of today):\n1 - Andrei Roublev, Tarkovsky\n2 - Mirror, Tarkovsky\n3 - Winter Light, Bergman\n4 - Beau Travail, Denis\n5 - Legend of Suram Fortress, Paradjanov\n6 - La Dolce Vita, Fellini\n7 - Hidden Fortress, Kurosawa\n8 - A Man Escaped, Bresson\n9 - In the Mood for Love, Kar-Wai\n10 - The Hunt, Löken','7ab6cf25facb41e35bba5e549375c5d4',0,'','FUGnSq0g',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3970,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032137791,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Sight and Sound poll','Wow, those Sight and Sound lists are boring.  Sure, all the films are good, but the majority of them just don\'t jump out at me as indisputably great, with Sunrise, Vertigo, 2001, and Tokyo Story being the obvious exceptions.  I really don\'t know what 8 1/2, Singin\' in the Rain, and The Godfather movies are doing on that list; and I have a pretty big problem with the inclusion of Potemkin as well.  \n\nAlso, what happened to The Passion of Joan of Arc?  I guess I can forgive its exclusion, since (1) Sunrise was included this time around, and (2) it\'s not Dreyer\'s best.  Still, can anyone seriously dispute that it\'s a greater film than, say, 8 1/2? \n\nI thought there might also be a chance that a Bresson would show up on this list, with the recent international retrospective of his work and all the recent hype (at least among cineastes) surrounding it.  I suppose the problem might be that he has no single established masterpiece, and therefore his votes get distributed among several films.   \n\nI don\'t really know where all this grousing is going, but it seems this list could have been a lot more interesting than it is.  I suppose this is why one ought to focus instead on the lists of individual critics or filmmakers whose taste you consider particularly good.  \n\nThat said, and my taste being particularly good (at least as far as I\'m concerned), here\'s my alternate top ten (in boring alphabetical order):\n\nDistant Voices/Still Lives\nThe Life of Oharu\nM\nThe Magnificent Ambersons\nThe Man with the Movie Camera\nLos Olvidados\nOrdet\nStalker\nTokyo Story\nLes Vampires\n\nNote that I\'ve implicitly limited myself to one film per director.  And if you really pressed me to for a preferential ordering:\n\n1.  Ordet \n2.  M\n3.  Tokyo Story\n4.  Distant Voices/Still Lives\n5.  The Magnificent Ambersons\n6.  Les Vampires\n7.  The Life of Oharu\n8.  Los Olvidados\n9.  Stalker\n10.  The Man with the Movie Camera\n\n\nAnd, finally, some painful omissions (in alphabetical order):  A Day in the Country, Greed, Kuhle Wampe, The Night of the Hunter, Scarface (1932), and Umberto D.  \n\n  \n      \n','c8718df4b1d63905b092333cec75433c',0,'','sl67U9cX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3971,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032166671,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Sight and Sound poll',' Bresson did o.k.; Au Hasard Balthazar and A Man Escaped had quite a few votes. Dreyer, too. I did suggest that S&S publish the top 100, as the very top films are well-known enough, whereas the lower reaches would throw up some interesting titles that deserve greater publicity. Still, the full lists and results should still be on the BFI website. I was particularly disappointed that Mizoguchi (who was just outside the top 10 directors with critics) barely registered with English-speaking directors. I don\'t think a single American director picked one of his films. In fact the directors involved were hardly the great names of international cinema; far too many 3rd rate and has-been U.K and USA participants. Sight and Sound told me they\'d welcome my list of suggestions for directors to include, then ignored it.\n\nSo i\'m trying to conduct my own little poll of top cinephiles in numerous neglected countries to get a more genuine world view. Though i\'ve had 17 replies in 10 countries so far, i\'ll need a lot more to make a meaningful result. Still, i\'ve already learned more about Arabic films and taste.','78b77cd736f012401216d273e2b0c3b9',0,'','VMGXzQrj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3972,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032363748,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: Sight and Sound poll','ok. my list today maybe tomorrow I will change it:\n\n1.  The Bycicle Thieves \n2.  Once Upon A Time In America \n3.  Sansho Dayu or \"8 1/2\" by Fellini\n4.  Wild Strawberries \n5.  Talk To Her \n6.  Apocalypse Now \n7.  Eloge de l\'Amour\n8.  North By Northwest\n9.  400 Blows\n10. El Sur\n11. Full Metal Jacket\n12. Blood Simple\n13. A Bout De Souffle\n14. Ran or Kagemusha\n15. Amores Perros or \"Y Tu Mama Tambien\"\n16. Sex and Lucia or Vacas\n17. Magnolia or Boogie Nights\n18. L\'Age d\'Or or Un Chien Andaluz\n19. All About Eve\n20. The Straight Story\n21. The Fight Club\n22. El Faro Del Sur\n23. In The Mood For Love\n','c9a500c138bf427cb88a743a490a66c3',0,'','ZsPMfXko',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3973,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032700124,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: Sight and Sound poll','Blimey I haven\'t mentioned Citizen Kane and Vertigo or any of Hichcocks films! I need to do the list again!','ec80760dba7680f584efa808935db852',0,'','X32uZHJN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3974,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1034794272,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Re: Sight and Sound poll','1/  CITIZEN KANE (Orson Welles, USA, 1941) - The only movie I have seen where I couldn\'t imagine it one single frame shorter.  Absolute perfection!\n \n2/  RULES OF THE GAME (Jean Renoir, France, 1939) - I can imagine this one longer (how about those 15 missing minutes...someone HAS to have a full print).  Both funny and profound, the film is the greatest achievement of the most humane filmmaker ever.\n\n3/  THE LIFE AND DEATH OF COLONEL BLIMP (Michael Powell, England, 1943)  I could probably make a whole Top 10 list of Powell films, but this is his best.  Also happens to be the best propaganda film of all time (take that Riefenstahl!).\n\n4/  VIRIDIANA (Luis Buñuel, Spain, 1961)  Vicious, take-no-prisoners attack on the church and fascism.  I have images from this film burned into my brain.\n\n5/  CRIES AND WHISPERS (Ingmar Bergman, Sweden, 1972)  The first Bergman film I ever saw (I was 12).  I watch it at least once a year.  Tough, uncompromising and visually breathtaking.\n\n6/  BARRY LYNDON (Stanley Kubrick, USA/UK, 1975)  Not my favourite Kubrick (that would be THE KILLING and LOLITA), but I can\'t find anything wrong with this film and that includes Ryan O\'Neal\'s performance!\n\n7/  VERTIGO (Alfred Hitchcock, USA, 1958)  This film makes my flesh crawl, but I am perversely attracted to it.  Necrophilia was never sexier and Stewart and Novak were never better.\n\n8/  The LIVING DEAD trilogy (George A. Romero, USA, 1968, 1979, 1985)  With the hiring of an African American lead for NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD (1968), Romero was praised for his \"progressive\" politics.  In the films two sequels (DAWN (1979) and DAY (1985) OF THE DEAD), his real politics came through.  these films pro-feminist, pro-gay, anti-consumeristand anti-militarist.  They are also horrific, profound and downright funny!  The best \"genre\" filmmaker of the \'60\'s, \'70\'s and \'80\'s.\n\n9/  F FOR FAKE (Orson Welles, USA, 1973)  The Best Documentary ever made.  Welles does for the Documentary form what he did for the fiction film.  Visually daring and edited to within an inch of its life (did Oliver Stone see this film before he shot NATURAL BORN KILLERS), the film also has one of Michel Legrand\'s best scores and Welles gives his last great \"performance\"\n\n10/  MCCABE AND MRS. MILLER (Robert Altman, USA, 1971) & THE SEARCHERS (John Ford, USA, 1956)  The best antiwestern (MCCABE...) and western (SEARCHERS) ever made.  ','65e25332f798aac907b0fa748bfec805',0,'','9gF1jhm2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3975,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036197713,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Sight and Sound poll','Finally, we\'ve got someone else who puts Romero up there where he belongs.  (Ok, I don\'t really think he belongs that high up there in the pantheon, but I\'m not going to fault you for pushing the envelope a little.  How else can you urge people to give this stuff serious attention?)\n\nIt annoys me that thrilling and damn smart genre filmmaking like his gets such short shrift.  I\'d go off on some rant here about how contemporary \"independent\" filmmaking in the U.S. is well-nigh worthless, but I doubt anyone wants to hear it.  I sure know I don\'t want to write more about that sorry state of affairs.\n\nHaving registered my approval, I\'ll just point out now that I actually think Martin is his greatest achievement (although if, like you, I was willing to treat the Living Dead Trilogy as a single film, I\'m not sure I\'d still be of that opinion).  I wrote a gushing, all-over-the-place appreciation in another thread on this board, so I\'ll spare you all a second futile attempt to articulate just what I think about it.  Still, if you haven\'t seen it, you should.  (Your enthusiasm for the Living Dead Trilogy, though, suggests to me that you\'ve already tracked it down.  If you haven\'t, you\'ve been remiss.)\n\nYou know, looking back at this post now, I doubt I\'ve said much of consequence.  So be it:  there\'s nothing wrong with simply expressing one\'s enthusiasm now and again.    ','eb0d4ae198ceefb32f967a859674dd26',0,'','dpPBtYDC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3976,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036562519,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Sight and Sound poll','Now, now, now, everyone knows that Kuhle Wampe is the greatest propaganda film of all time.  (Of course, I\'ve only seen the horribly slashed and duped and chronologically re-ordered (Why?) version of Colonel Blimp that\'s available on commercial VHS here in the U.S.  I think the Criterion DVD should be out now, and of course I\'m looking for it.)\n\nMaybe somebody should start a discussion about politics in the cinema on one of these boards.  It might be interesting.  There\'s got to be a lot to say about the political aspects of an art whose first acknowledged masterpiece is a glorified recruitment film for the KKK and whose greatest all-time blockbuster is a paean to Old South slavery and aristocracy.  Needless to say, it\'s going to take a lot more than the occasional Godard or Fassbinder or Oshima to expiate the sins of our cinematic forebears. ','6bbaccc9222bd96ab3ac04ff790cff03',0,'','cKhHYzT1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3977,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1036615474,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Sight and Sound poll','Another German film from the same period as Kuhle Wampe with an anti-authoritarian slant that\'s well worth seeing is Madchen in Uniform (1931, directed by Leontine Sagan). A touching tale set in a girls\' boarding school, with one of the girls falling for a tender, beautiful teacher. Needless to say, it didn\'t meet with the Nazis\' approval. I\'ll second Mr West\'s recommendation.','4251ae189f5065f8dadfecf9c9fa2131',0,'','LVWfg26c',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3978,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1040005222,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Sight and Sound poll','I\'ve decided to post a link to a bit of film criticism concerning this little S&S list that I found particularly stimulating, in that it stimulated a feeling of great disgust in me when I read it.  Perhaps someone else can give it a once-over and tell me whether he or she finds it as vexing as I do.  \n\nIs this a bad idea, posting links to web-based film criticism?  Actually, it seems like a fairly good idea to me, although I haven\'t seen others doing it on here.  You know, we could create a little community of common concern here.  Yes, that\'s probably pushing it a little, but I suppose you get the gist of what I\'m saying.  (And why has this site been so inactive of late?  Let\'s have a little action here, people.)\n\nOk, here\'s the link:  http://www.cinebizarre.com/essay_sight1.htm\n\nThe article goes on over several separate pages.  They\'re all fairly short, however, so it may not be too much to ask.  \n\nAnyway, to give you a little taste of what you\'re in for, here\'s a bit that I found especially infuriating.  This is our commentator\'s response to the inclusion of Sunrise on the 2002 list.\n\n\"This 1927 American film directed by F. W. Murnau is an interesting choice. It has never been on this list before, then 75 years later it appears, because it became available, or was restored, or someone wrote something about it.  [I\'m quite certain that this didn\'t happen--unless there was a restoration of the film or a Murnau retrospective of which I\'m wholly unaware for some reason.]  For all practical purposes, this is a NEW film, in that most of these critics have had only a few years to think about it. [Note:  Sunrise was a runner-up in both 1962 and 1972 polls, and the folks at Cahiers named it the single most beautiful film of all time at some point in there too.  Could somebody help me with a date on that one?] Okay by me! I\'m fascinated by the grandeur international film achieved in the late 1920s. Technical directors always get more credit than \"actor\'s directors,\" which is probably why Murnau did much better throughout the ballots than Pabst.  [Yeah, don\'t you just hate those directors that actually, you know, direct the movie?]  It should be obvious that George Cukor was a better director than Fritz Lang or that Sidney Lumet was better than Ridley Scott, but in Cukor and Lumet\'s films the actors seem to be doing all the work. Technical directors are seldom slighted with the observation \'the cinematographer and editor seem to be doing all the work.\'\"\n    \nHonestly, the second-to-last sentence there is one of the most preposterous things I\'ve ever read on the internet.  I\'ve seen some Cukor (although admittedly probably not quite enough to make an absolutely definitive judgment here), and his work is pleasant enough, but who the hell does this guy think he\'s kidding?','bfa7efce742c465214624a14e6c5af52',0,'','im9wYVK7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3979,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1040207623,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Sight and Sound poll','Of course the comments you quote on Sunrise are nonsense. I\'m not sure when French critics voted it the most beautiful film, but i recorded one French poll in 1958, which it topped, with La Regle du Jeu and Voyage to Italy 2nd and 3rd. Cahiers du Cinema, as you know, fervently supported directors like Renoir, Mizoguchi, Murnau, Rossellini, Hitchcock, Hawks, Vigo, and Nick Ray.\n\nIn a Positif poll in the early 90\'s (91?), the top 10 was;\n\n1. La Regle du Jeu\n2. Citizen Kane\n3. 2001; A Space Odyssey\n4. Vertigo\n5. L\'Atalante\n6. 8 1/2\n7. Sunrise\n8. Barry Lyndon\n9. The General\n10. Sansho the Bailiff\n\nIn Sight and Sound polls each decade, Sunrise came 17th in 62, 18th in 72, 18th in 82, 19th in 92- pretty consistent eh? And 14th in John Kobal\'s poll of international critics in 87. So hardly a newly rediscovered film, as you say.\n\nA few days back i was standing by a misty lake, a sight of stunning beauty (a distant light, tall rushes, ghostly white swans..) and Sunrise sprang to mind (as did Ugetsu Monogatari by Mizoguchi). Both films are supremely beautiful. Yet only a tiny percentage of the film-going public will have seen them.','14cfe3977037784080944670318218cb',0,'','fAnijT53',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3980,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1040209012,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Sight and Sound poll','Thought some other Sunrise poll placings might be of interest;\n\nRomanian critics (95); 22\n\nGerman poll (95); 11=\n\nFrance (95); 11=\n\nItaly (FIAF) (95); 24=\n\nVillage Voice (USA) (2000); 6\n\nSpain (Editorial Jaguar) (2001); 7\n\nAmerican Film Institute\'s top 100 American films; nowhere to\nbe seen (Night of the Hunter and Letter from an Unknown Woman were other notable absentees). Seems the USA has some catching up to do. AFI had Vertigo down at 61, The Searchers at 96.','5a1077b709711bbf0329a6ea6108152b',0,'','tAJPFU6d',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3981,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1040233255,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Sight and Sound poll','Well, I don\'t think the AFI poll is really indicative of viewer tastes in the U.S.  The problem was that they asked far too many people--and far too many who probably don\'t know a whole lot about the American cinema--to be a part of the poll.  Critics, academics, and other cineastes were, of course, include, but so were Hollywood types and some average Joes (at least when it comes to film knowledge).  I assume that the results would have been quite different, and hopefully not quite as embarrassing, had those asked for their opinion been restricted to people in the first group.  Quite simply, the problem with the poll was that it was far too democratic.  Too many people were asked to place votes concerning the entire history of the American cinema, and I don\'t doubt that a lot of them think the history of American cinema began with Citizen Kane (or Gone with the Wind).  I suppose this has something to do with the widespread American distrust of experts and pointy-headed intellectuals of all sorts.  Perhaps that not such a bad thing in some ways, but there\'s no denying that it can give rise to some serious dumbing-down, as the case of the AFI poll distressingly reveals.  What I found most distressing about this poll is that here was a chance to introduce the public to a lot of films (e.g. the entire silent era, Keaton\'s films, Fuller\'s films, Welle\'s films other than Kane, Ray\'s films other than Rebel, etc.)  they\'d probably be unlikely to hear about otherwise, and instead it ended up as an extremely boring and conservative list of most of the same old American films that everyone talks about anyway and that can be found at any old local video store.  \n\nI can\'t really fault the votes for not voting for Sunrise, however, as it\'s nearly impossible to see.  I was only able to see it through my university film society, and even then it was in a battered and bruised 16mm print.  I think it was once released on video (by Fox, I think, and so probably in a fairly decent print) here in the states, but that\'s now been out-of-print for years and is nearly impossible to find (and is quite costly when you can find it).  I think it\'s been released here and there by other, small distributors, but those copies, which I assume come from inferior source materials, are almost as hard to find and nearly as expensive when you do find them.  This, and the widespread ignorance about foreign films--only about five people showed up to the university film society\'s screening of Sunrise--makes the failure to include Sunrise rather understandable.  \n\nStill, I gather that Sunrise is soon being released on DVD here, and especially when coupled with its ranking in the recent S&S poll, this can only help to get it more exposure here in the U.S.  So who knows, maybe it\'ll show up on the next AFI list.  (And I\'m sure there will be another one of those in the not-so-distant future, since the first got so much press.)','4e5dfbc886ce923bc488b81123407576',0,'','gDW8FSiB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3982,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1040233471,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Sight and Sound poll','Oops, I said \"widespread ignorance of foreign films\" there, and that should read \"widespread ignorance of silent films\".  I noticed a few other typos there, but only that one seems likely to impede comprehension.','44ce931c02514d8b1ca73da6ea6a57a0',0,'','vSGiq7gd',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3983,792,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041052603,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Sight and Sound poll','This list is as usual a decade long joke.  I always end up disappointed thinking that in the next ten years mistakes will be corrected.  Instead things got worse this time around, with the supremely overrated Vertigo hitting its highest number yet.  Not to mention overrated Rules of the Game, Sunrise, and Potemkin all still made the list.  Since I know everything here\'s my list.\n1. Citizen Kane\n2. The Godfather\n3. All Quiet on the Western Front\n4. 2001:  A Space Odyssey \n5. Lawrence of Arabia\n6. Star Wars Trilogy (sorry it will always be there)\n7. 8 1/2 \n8. Apocalypse Now\n9. Pulp Fiction\n10. Ordinary People','be15a75d91dddbbb51b130844f6f3021',0,'','xsu2ABKM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3984,793,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1030758156,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bjornam','Can we trust the Top 100?','- 2001 have a decent rate of 8.71 from a number of 103 votes, which should place it somewhere around 8-9. But it\'s nowhere to be seen.\n\n- Ingmar Bergman\'s voting activities for his own films must be stopped. He is a truly great director, one of the greatest, but did hardly make all the three best films ever. Maybe one of them...\n\n- Paradjanov still not on the list... ','66d031a160ffdae815fceaf42453c730',0,'','ahDje3bZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3985,793,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1030758414,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bjornam','Re: Can we trust the Top 100?','Whoops! 2001 is of course not a \"foreign film\"...','58a58f5b07ba9c32f038313c5fa9f767',0,'','bpXuzUaP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3986,793,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1030777895,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Can we trust the Top 100?','Not to mention that it appears that there is once again a concerted effort to \"bushwack\" all the Japanese films on the list.  What is your problem?','c276508b5b67f19d9aece0ea62f67ac6',0,'','7cwUaxlD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3987,793,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041054152,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Can we trust the Top 100?','Personal lists are always different from a consensus.  The recent Sight and Sound pole is probably not identical to any one particular critic or director who participated.  That is what makes lists unique.  As for Bergman dominating, remember that the films with the most votes will be the most popular ones, and there aren\'t many foreign directors as popular as him.','b848fe0dce58acccdbeabcb554900f69',0,'','Tn1QFavY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3988,793,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041973012,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Can we trust the Top 100?','I was surprised and disappointed by the sudden, sharp decline last year in many Japanese films\' placings; a quick surge in numbers of votes for (or rather against) certain films which have had very few scores registered more recently. I found it difficult to believe that an individual or group could make a concerted attack on a country as opposed to a film or even director. However, i see from the imdb message boards that at least one individual is glorying in having- with his \"followers\"- marked down Japanese films. Rather worrying.','d393ab3f1c45ff4dbce74c001d52f943',0,'','9CFcknsS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3989,794,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1030782140,1,0,1,1,1,1,'sia','Last Decade Iranian Movies: Simplistic, Poetic & Humanistic','It amazes me how a country like Iran could product such beautiful, simple yet entertaining movies. I would like to start a discussion group on this topic. Your comments are most welcome. Analysis of specific movie, or a specific director or even a particular Scene makes this discussion even more interesting. \n','af4e908f5babd168a3d17bf43c9277ef',0,'','wkepc4nR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3990,794,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1031446824,1,0,1,1,1,1,'apoptosis','Re: Last Decade Iranian Movies: Simplistic, Poetic & Humanistic','I agree with you. The Iranian cinema was a big surprise for me. Somme of the Iranian movies that I liked,\nA Time for Drunken Horses;  \nZendegi dar meh;\nThe Taste of Cherry;\nMy Friend\'s House.\n\n','6f43931147f2cc2769241a2d5a0d219b',0,'','avySHThk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3991,794,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1031450230,1,0,1,1,1,1,'sia','Re: Last Decade Iranian Movies: Simplistic, Poetic & Humanistic','Don\'t forget these ones:\nChildern Of Paradise\nWhite Balloon \nand recently Baroon','b99b7046d32489af7217dca3256add93',0,'','0pkoFqDJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3992,794,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1031527955,1,0,1,1,1,1,'iceomat','Re: Last Decade Iranian Movies: Simplistic, Poetic & Humanistic','Has anyone seen \"Secret Ballot\" yet? In the cultural wasteland that is Oklahoma, I\'m going to have to wait for home video.','729cb67c43e0e51de3429edcceca7f0c',0,'','1tdfp4UC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3993,794,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032168691,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Last Decade Iranian Movies: Simplistic, Poetic & Humanistic','Virtually every Iranian film i\'ve seen- admittedly not a huge list- has been excellent, putting to shame most recent films in Britain and America!\n\nI\'d like to especially recommend;\n\nThe White Balloon (Panahi), Gabbeh (Mohsen Makhmalbaf) Close-Up, The Taste of Cherry (Kiarostami), The Day i Became a Woman (Meshkini), The Apple (Samira Makhmalbaf), The Colour of Paradise (Majidi)- but you can\'t really go far wrong seeing any that have been widely shown in Britain and America. I\'d love to see more early classics like The Cow (Mehrjui), Still Life (Sales), Bashu the Little Stranger (Beiza\'i). Also Nargess (Bani-Etemad).\n\nIt\'s interesting that Iran has produced some top female directors; Bani-Etemad, Meshkini and Samira Makhmalbaf. There\'s hardly a glut in Hollywood. Samira is the precocious daughter of Mohsen, and her step-mother/aunt is Marziyeh Meshkini. Quite a family!  \n\nHamid Dabashi\'s book, \"Close-Up; Iranian Cinema Past, Present and Future\" is a useful introduction.','45e4ed6b53aeb6be29b7dc82a7d67905',0,'','2JsLBayU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3994,794,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044473697,1,0,1,1,1,1,'costas.antony','Re: Last Decade Iranian Movies: Simplistic, Poetic & Humanistic','I recently saw several Iranian movies and have become quite a fan. I would highly recommend The Circle (Jafar Panahi), The Day I Became A Woman (Marziyeh Meshkini), Bag of Rice (Mohammed Ali Talebi) & A Moment of Innocence (Makhmalbaf).','12d86b21da14cc78d4d51987a1e6941d',0,'','VPTlXhwp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3995,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032993292,1,0,1,1,1,1,'iceomat','Foreign language horror','Since we are coming up on the time of year I traditionally enjoy watching a good scary movie, anyone have a suggestion for a quality foreign language horror film? I have seen only a very few (both versions of Nosferatu, some of Argento\'s work), so any help would be appreciated...','e5a3eba808fd0bcba30622f54d04b9d2',0,'','7zMivnZK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3996,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1032997835,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Foreign language horror','Well, apart from Nosferatu and Argento\'s films, you could try; Vampyr (Dreyer), The Vanishing (Sluizer- Dutch original version), Les Diaboliques (Clouzot), Audition (Miike), Ring (Nakata), Eyes without a Face (Franju), Onibaba (Shindo),  Cronos, The Devil\'s Backbone (both by Del Toro), Witchcraft through the Ages (Christensen)..\n\nUgetsu Monogatari (Mizoguchi) and Kwaidan (Kobayashi) are beautiful rather than frightening Japanese films with ghosts.','5d264a16dfd33f4adbf528c0b9574f22',0,'','sGRVgLY2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3997,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033017320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'iceomat','Re: Foreign language horror','Thanks John. I have seen and enjoyed Del Toro\'s films. And while I wouldn\'t classify The Vanishing as horror, it was indeed creepy. I see that Kwaidan is on Sundance channel this weekend. I will be sure to catch it.','110681f7b2374e02bc0b55e05f23f13b',0,'','9YCyMhR0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3998,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033021727,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Foreign language horror','Yes, you should definitely check out Dreyer\'s Vampyr, which, in my oh-so-humble opinion, is the greatest of all horror movies.  It\'s ravishing to look at, and it\'s got one of the most mind-boggling narrative structures I\'ve ever come across:  the story is maybe the simplest of any horror film ever (guy shows up, guy gets hassled by the baddies, guy fights off the baddies, guy gets the chick), but you won\'t realize this until you\'ve seen it about three or four times and it finally starts to come together.  It all seems like it should make such perfect sense, and yet, for some reason, it just doesn\'t.  Plus, what the hell was Dreyer doing with his camera?  I\'m not kidding you here:  it seems like the camera floats around completely free of the narrative.  It\'s as if the cameraman never knew what was coming next:  the camera dips and swerves and takes us on desperate searches for what\'s going on and leads us along on these long, distracting digressions.  It\'s all very disorienting, and completely mesmerizing.  And how can anyone fail to be astounded by a movie that lets you experience your own funeral procession from inside the casket?   \n\nI see from your personal info. that you\'re in the states, and thus you should be able to catch it on TCM if you have cable.  It will be showing on Halloween night at 10:15.  (I\'m hoping they\'ve managed to get their hands on a better print than that which has been floating around on DVD and VHS for so long.) \n\nI\'m not sure what else I have to add concerning foreign horror films; which is to say, I have nothing of substance to add to this thread.  However, they ain\'t gonna keep me from talking some more.  (But I would point out that TCM also has some other interesting things airing that month; in particular, they seem to have devoted the night of the 10th to Val Lewton\'s horror movies (although they\'ve rather inexplicably omitted I Walked with a Zombie, which happens to be my personal favorite; but I suppose you can\'t have it all).) \n\nJust for the hell of it, I\'m going to put in a plug for a personal favorite of mine:  George Romero\'s Martin.  Perhaps I\'m just being a bit perverse, but I believe that this is a great horror film.  Can I articulate what I like about it in a few words?  Probably not, but I\'ll give it a go.  Typically, Romero gives us a few tightly edited and suspenseful action scenes here, so there\'s your obvious pleasure.  Importantly, though, he also takes what I think is a pretty significant chance (at least in this genre, since on its face this isn\'t art film) by significantly slowing down the pace and presenting a number of drawn-out domestic scenes which are, for the most part, lacking in meaningful incident.  This both baits the audience, in that it has us aching for the exciting stuff (the violence), and (look out for the pretentious stuff here) reveals an Antonioni-like strategy of having film\'s narrative attenuate and slow down to reflect the attenuated and dull life of the main character.  Plus, he does great by cutting sepia-tinted (fantasy?) period scenes into the narrative proper.  These shorts scenes play all sorts of interesting roles within the film:  they function as Martin\'s (fanciful) memories of his past; they comment (often ironically) on Martin\'s actions and self-conception within the narrative proper; they set up a contrast between romanticized movie conceptions of vampires and Martin\'s own status as a modern-day \"vampire\"; they set up a contrast between a romanticized past life and the hopelessness, ugliness, and boredom of Martin\'s life in a decaying urban environment; etc.  You get all of this, and you also get some genuinely moving sympathy for the main character along with fairly perceptive and incisive social commentary.  What more could you ask for?  (Well, ok, the production values aren\'t so great, but this sort of works, because this gives a lot of the scenes a cinema-verite (or maybe just kitchen-sink realism) look, which pretty much works in a film that is at least partly about the disenchanted and stultifying nature of life in a contemporary urban environment.  And, yeah, the acting isn\'t so great either, but you can\'t have it all, right?)  So, basically, I think it\'s a really rich horror movie, and that, my man, is what I dig about it.           ','f3c7992bb4018bf1d907f875caa5327f',0,'','AYfySGev',1,0,'',0,0,0),(3999,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033022311,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Foreign language horror','You know, I think I subconsciously plagiarized that thing about the camera floating free of the narrative in Vampyr, but I\'m not sure from whom I\'m stealing.  (It sounds too insightful, too interesting, too just plain right to be something I came up with on my own.)  Can anyone help me here?','7ac83904940faff837c90a162063dff7',0,'','L3u9QSk1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4000,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033340092,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nomad_warmachine','Re: Foreign language horror','I haven\'t seen all the films on John 5\'s list but The Devil\'s Backbone and Audition are not really horror films. They are still great but not really in the horror genre. Audition is still one of the creepiest films I have ever seen though. And Devi\'s Backbone is a fantastic film.','02f72bbaef26f5f1d0ac6ae74fe73658',0,'','QL6ZFkaS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4001,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033370962,1,0,1,1,1,1,'iceomat','Re: Foreign language horror','I just watched Audition on Sundance, and I agree it is very creepy. The gore hounds would like it too.','b0a8b389851bc531acf657c1748d8e3c',0,'','zETuK1MF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4002,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033450623,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Foreign language horror','Kino has just released Nosferatu, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, Golem(Frankensteinesque), and Waxworks.  All German silent horror classics.','7282268573424f6f7bd5b8522e0ae8c1',0,'','Yk00eHLi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4003,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033585995,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nomad_warmachine','Re: Foreign language horror','Has anyone seen Evil Dead Trap? I heard it was a good horror film. \n\nCheck out the Monsters At Play Forum for horror, Asian, European, and Cult Cinema discussions. \n\nhttp://forums.monstersatplay.com/index.php','f5942f5631148b50954239fa9e11271a',0,'','HudARQNv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4004,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1033642319,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Foreign language horror','Anything by the brilliant Dario Argento (especially \"Suspiria\", one of the best horror films I\'ve ever seen).\nAlso, Clouzot\'s \"Diaboloque\" (not the shitty American remake) and Sluzier\'s \"The Vanishing\" is creepy!','859ebd7a1b5127af0cdb7e43c0527f9c',0,'','lAJ8aFx9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4005,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059745489,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Foreign language horror','amenabar\'s horror films are supposedly good.  but i haven\'t watched any of them yet.  someone i know called his film \"Tesis\"  a bad film which looks low-budget.  however, it won at the goya awards.  But then, sometimes i don\'t trust institutions which give the awards.  it\'s all part of the canon...','e58591b6d899d2f6e3ce9ab371a4eb60',0,'','qltji3hW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4006,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060463243,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: Foreign language horror','Anything from Dario Argento or Mario Bava.\n\nAlso:\n\"Ringu\"','5f51f66a3e4009bc2898c630467790b1',0,'','2Rbi5M3s',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4007,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060775844,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: Foreign language horror','Well it\'s american but Kids...;-(','952934ae5efc5663b089217e75e1254b',0,'','dvl5YAkz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4008,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060825389,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Foreign language horror','You\'ll have to explain how KIDS fits within the Horror genre.','544a902b5b5661cbac85975565735fa3',0,'','bTGqt4zy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4009,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060881578,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: Foreign language horror','Well, I meant that as a half joke, but I\'m still surprised that I\'d need to explain the \"horror\" in that movie..\n   There\'s nothing more horrible than ignorance, expecially on kids it can be even more ruthless. The attitude that is so well portraited in that movie is disgusting. The things that happen in the movie can and do happen in real life. Unlike with most of the horror movies you can\'t just switch the tv off and go \"that\'s not real\" unless you\'re as ignorant as the kids in the movie.\nFor me the Kids is a horror movie of the worst kind because it\'s a reflection of reality. ','02d55a6dbb35e3c30fc74985d7ebe9d8',0,'','mP81aNjE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4010,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064936406,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gnixon29','Re: Foreign language horror','The recent Japanese horror wave has been impressive:  Audition, Kairo, Dark Water, Ringu, The Eye...I\'d recommend all of them. ','4e5a07efd08c0d267857ac1720a9b902',0,'','Y3rNdC2F',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4011,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1065046227,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Knoxville','Re: Foreign language horror','Suspiria, Inferno and Deep Red are traditional Halloween favourites of mine.','169151434bc697ba03d878b95bbdddc0',0,'','om0MnfSa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4012,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1065852213,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: Foreign language horror','Black Sabbath by Bava ','82a044e2a38e05c6e3ada3d2cca0034c',0,'','76obCcNm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4013,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1065855651,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa-1','Re: Foreign language horror','\"Devil\'s Backbone\"---I mean, it\'s got ghosts and everything in it...','3474ec5a37f4992e1d716e082e538a19',0,'','UQcFZeGf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4014,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066646871,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mir','Re: Foreign language horror','The Shining(By Stanley Kubrick) is one of the best horror films I have seen.','ea79d2b3198461eb5882509d8e90f17f',0,'','82A5uiH7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4015,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067533449,1,0,1,1,1,1,'keepsafe','Re: Foreign language horror','I think he was looking for foreign language films, actually, mir. The Shining is a very good horror film, but doesn\'t qualify here. Go with (as said elsewhere) The Eye, Cabinet of Dr. Caligari, and Nosferatu (original) and YES! Vampyr (EXCELLENT!) but also try Chinese Ghost Story and, if you can find it, \"Tombs of the Blind Dead\" also known as just \"The Blind Dead.\" May be out of print, but very good horror. The follow-up \"Return of the Blind Dead\" I found just silly, but others have praised it and even thought it better than the first. Posh and Tosh!','676f2144623c3dc513acb451c822bc91',0,'','aSlXtcT1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4016,795,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067534959,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Foreign language horror','I just saw Clouzot\'s Les Diaboliques for the first time the other day, and I can\'t praise it highly enough. Rumour has it that Hitchcock fought for the rights, but he could not have made a better adaptation. Still shocking in its way.','21db3902cc38023e3a872351ef2966cf',0,'','RHG3pWJM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4017,796,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035010567,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','In Honour Of the release of  \" The Life And Death Of Colonel Blimp\" on DVD in North America (finally)...Powell\'s Ten best films:\n\n1/  THE LIFE AND DEATH OF COLONEL BLIMP\n2/  PEEPING TOM\n3/  BLACK NARCISSUS\n4/  I KNOW WHERE I\'M GOING\n5/  THE EDGE OF THE WORLD\n6/  A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH (aka STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN)\n7/  THE TALES OF HOFFMAN\n8/  THE RED SHOES\n9/  49TH PARALLEL\n10/  A CANTERBURY TALE','42b5a2c1d5a69320d245460d6ae7264f',0,'','UHwnt6iY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4018,796,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068318663,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gony_72','Re: Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','I watched ....Colonel Blimp about two weeks ago, and it was so glorious, it makes my top 20 all time(I think)\nI\'d like to say my top 3 Powell/Pressburger films are:\n\n1.Black Narcissus\n2. ...Colonel Blimp\n3. Red Shoes\n\n\nChris','70751146f684671eff6f3f26b2651ce9',0,'','4mGZy19a',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4019,796,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068338325,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','I especially like The Thief of Bagdad (Powell was one of a few directors on it), The Red Shoes and A Matter of Life and Death. If only contemporary British films had even half the ambition and glorious visual imagination! The Red Shoes ballet is the peak of British cinema, imo.','1f987dddf20797149dc74f70ee7869ef',0,'','2LvWDaiA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4020,796,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068365099,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx1','Re: Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','I\'m no expert, but of the several films of his I have seen, Stairway to Heaven/A Matter of Life and Death is by far the best.  Its a shame it is out of print in the US, as are many, many, many, many other great films.','f9ab808f3e170b73c6504e97f53d44dd',0,'','NtvwVe3r',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4021,797,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035014646,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','In Honour Of the release of  \" The Life And Death Of Colonel Blimp\" on DVD in North America (finally)...Powell\'s Ten best films:\n\n1/  THE LIFE AND DEATH OF COLONEL BLIMP\n2/  PEEPING TOM\n3/  BLACK NARCISSUS\n4/  I KNOW WHERE I\'M GOING\n5/  THE EDGE OF THE WORLD\n6/  A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH (aka STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN)\n7/  THE TALES OF HOFFMAN\n8/  THE RED SHOES\n9/  49TH PARALLEL\n10/  A CANTERBURY TALE','42b5a2c1d5a69320d245460d6ae7264f',0,'','NR3DH2d5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4022,797,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035052106,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','1=. A Matter of Life and Death/ The Red Shoes/ The Thief of Baghdad (sorry, if i separate these 3 i\'d want to change my mind the next day. They\'re all masterpieces anyway.)\n4. Black Narcissus\n5. The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp\n6. A Canterbury Tale\n7. Peeping Tom\n8. Gone to Earth\n9. I Know where i\'m going\n10. 49th Parallel\n\n\n','5b5e00472cb4c361af1913f143bcbc43',0,'','UJdF42wq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4023,797,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044473307,1,0,1,1,1,1,'costas.antony','Re: Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','Gone to Earth \nBlack Narcissus\nThe Red Shoes\nA Matter of Life & Death\n','a01152a8395574dab7aab51c51c793ce',0,'','ZrMsBRwk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4024,797,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045825322,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','Obviously Canterbury Tale, Matter of Life and Death, Black Narcissus, Red Shoes, Peeping Tom are the greats.','99a2944252dd5ee80e780b13df1c8950',0,'','0knibfAc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4025,797,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046294190,1,0,1,1,1,1,'paredes','Re: Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','Actually, Powell is my favourite director (along with Bunuel) and I thought Peeping Tom was boring both times I watched it. BLACK NARCISSUS, however, is one of my all-time favourite films and I still can\'t get enough of it.  Then comes ONE OF OUR AIRCRAFT IS MISSING and I KNOW WHERE I\'M GOING.','50e2786653b4297c48b3e59615eff239',0,'','Xhzp8PTF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4026,797,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046418802,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','love peeping tom, canterbury tale is underrated,powell the english maverick his reputation will only increase in time\'and isn\'t black narcissus a very sensual film!!','42347db45dd637a08d9cde69b8d2f608',0,'','eLpjgoGR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4027,797,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046973800,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Bacchus33','Re: Great Director Top Ten:  Michael Powell','I\'ve only seen A Matter of Life and Death, The Red Shoes, Peeping Tom and Black Narcissus.  Black Narcissus is easily one of the greatest films ever made.','c5b64a618244f3c81ba898a6e2f238cd',0,'','fGRSaDx4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4028,798,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035152519,1,0,1,1,1,1,'admin-2','Great Directors\' 10 best films: Chaplin','It\'s hard for most of us to remember that Chaplin was the Stanley Kubrick of his day in the sense that although he worked more major studios (of the time) he had complete control of his pictures.  He essentially did what he wanted to do and the studio had no say.  He was truly independent.  In this spirit I offer what I feel are his ten best (most important) films...\n\nin order:\n\n1/  Monsieur Verdoux\n2/  The Great Dictator\n3/  City Lights\n4/  Soldier Arms\n5/  Modern Times\n6/  The Gold Rush\n7/  A Woman Of Paris\n8/  Limelight\n9/  The Pilgrim\n10/  The Kid','08329d82410ac3e09625969948bf0890',0,'','oj5DASuM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4029,798,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035243571,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films: Chaplin','On another website i mentioned he (and Alfred Hitchcock among other directors) wasn\'t included in a public poll of the top 100 Britons, while Julie Andrews, David Beckham, Michael Crawford, Boy George and (d.j)John Peel were! \n\nAnyway, here\'s my top 10;\n\n  1. The Gold Rush\n  2. City Lights\n  3. Monsieur Verdoux\n  4. The Kid\n  5. Modern Times\n  6. A Dog\'s Life\n  7. Limelight\n  8. Circus\n  9. Shoulder Arms\n 10. The Great Dictator\n \n','1e4ebb1905e5a07a84d7937f8cf7a173',0,'','y1gSzux5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4030,798,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1035316795,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great Directors\' 10 best films: Chaplin','I\'ve since been told Chaplin was in the 100 after all!','4e6c5d9bc398f2d2d2c11606d9d34dfe',0,'','r2jmEVpZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4031,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1037070844,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','10 underrated films','1.lancelot du lac\n2.peeping tom\n3.the hill\n4.the oak\n5.wake in fright\n6.ashes of time\n7.odd man out\n8.repentance\n9.battle of chile\n10.othello (welles)\n\nagreements,raspberries,or other faves most welcome','6585164bb4fa0a786e85f08c2713c4f5',0,'','NfVWlqvb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4032,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038548512,1,0,1,1,1,1,'H20gateburgler','Re: 10 underrated films','Is the THE HILL the one with Sean Connery?  I saw part of it and was really taken in, would love to see the whole thing from start to finish.','1bd5dc7d64b485326b12e7480b3cda03',0,'','hSLUTXat',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4033,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1038590254,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: 10 underrated films','Underrated to whom, is a/my question! Lancelot and Peeping Tom are considered masterpieces in some circles (see for instance Kristin Thompson\'s analysis of Lancelot in Breaking the Glass Armor; Laura Mulvey\'s commentary on the Criterion [?] DVD of Peeping Tom).\n\nAside from SHOWGIRLS (which I will keep mentioning in order to provoke an argument that is yet to occur), what do people think of:\n\nI WALKED WITH A ZOMBIE\nATTACK!\nHISTORY IS MADE AT NIGHT\nSAHARA\nHOUR OF THE WOLF\nQUEMADA!','5fd93acdea38622b0944a6808e810e43',0,'','MQ0x3jiu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4034,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1039428015,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: 10 underrated films','Yes, there\'s a difference between underrated and neglected by/unknown to the public. Almost all foreign language masterpieces fall into the latter category. Tarkovsky and Mizoguchi, among many others, are still awaiting proper recognition.\n\nSome films i particularly like which deserve greater praise;\nMaborosi, Alice in the Cities, Abraham Valley, The Green Ray, The Age of Innocence, El Cid, Tales of the Taira Clan, Pakeezah, Eternity and a Day (Cannes Palme d\'Or notwithstanding). \n\nThen there are films admired by critics but which should be much better known; Sansho the Bailiff, Sunrise, \nAndrei Rublev, Mirror, The Colour of Pomegranates, Letter from an Unknown Woman, Celine and Julie go Boating, Ugetsu, L\'Atalante, Orphee, Man with a Movie Camera, Spirit of the Beehive, even Tokyo Story and The Passion of Joan of Arc.\n\nIn America and the English-speaking world (and the top 100 here!), Kurosawa, Bergman, Fellini, Bunuel and some films by Renoir, De Sica, Eisenstein have had recognition, but far too many wonderful films and talents are terribly neglected. \n','f37eecf299985b82c43d47e03008f91c',0,'','CVUD9zNh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4035,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1039657796,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: 10 underrated films','Too true! so let\'s keep enlightening ourselves and learn from the glorious past as there is nothing new under the sun!','61608b8b0296e693adc036848a0fe75d',0,'','GLaKEhB4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4036,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1039669316,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: 10 underrated films','I don\'t know if this qualifies them as underrated or not, but what about the well known films that have but a handful of votes here on this site.  Murnau\'s Faust, Gance\'s Napoleon, and one of the best representatives of the \'Soviet thaw\', The Cranes are Flying are literally crying for an audience.','4fd6c2c75d7a732200895ee5fc6b1df6',0,'','ecfz81PM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4037,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1040001877,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: 10 underrated films','right on!this is exactly my point people should just keep on looking for the more obscure,or not so well known films as there are so many gems,the films you cited are all classics but how many people have seen them? to me it\'s all about education.','e91f86abcc00bbdb4f4f41a2d0a6dcff',0,'','85q723Pa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4038,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1040071477,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: 10 underrated films','Is Tarkovsky really all that unknown to the public?  Certainly, like all major foreign directors, he\'s not known well enough to the general public.  But at least here in the states, I think he\'s part of the second tier of foreign film directors when it comes to name-recognition, which is to say that is to say that you can expect most pretentious college students who have any interest in the cinema to at least have heard of him or his work.  He\'s not up there with people like Bergman, Kurosawa, and Fellini, but his films are pretty readily available (at least on video and DVD) and they\'re being seen by those with some interest in foreign cinema.  Plus, Tarkovksy made a few films that fit into (or at least can be marketed as though they fit into) a genre, sci-fi, with some popularity, and so his work may be benefiting from exposure to a group of people who wouldn\'t have much interest in foreign films otherwise.  I think there is evidence for this in the top 100 here, since each of his seven features--no, I\'m not including juvenilia like The Steamroller and the Violin--has a place on that list.  (I like Tarkovsky, but that does seem a bit much.)\n\nI think there are other directors who have it far worse in these parts, including Dreyer, Bresson, Ozu, Rossellini, Ophuls, Tati, Mizoguchi, etc.  These are some of the greatest directors in the cinema, and the attention given to their work is far too scant.  Some of these directors (e.g. Bresson, Tati, and Ophuls) are more or less completely unknown.  My experience suggests to me that you really have to be pretty serious about your film-watching to even find out about these people, and when you do find out about them, it can be a chore to find their work.  The problem for these other directors is not that their work is completely ignored but instead that the vast majority of critical attention is on a few exemplary works at the expense of the rest of their oeuvre.  People know about M and Tokyo Story and Ugetsu and The Passion of Joan of Arc, but how many people know Scarlet Street or Late Spring or Sisters of the Gion or Ordet?  Look at the ratings here, and you\'ll get a distressing sense of what the answer must be.  (By the way, I wholeheartedly agree that Mizoguchi is criminally ignored.  There\'s no question in my mind that he belongs on the list of the five-or-so greatest directors whose work I\'m familiar with.)\n\nOk, I\'m sure this is enough prefatory crap for all of you.  Now I\'ll just throw out a list of some films I think are underrated:  Jour de Fete, The Joyless Street, Kino-Eye, Kuhle Wampe, Land without Bread, The Long Day Closes, Mikey and Nicky, New Earth, Numero Deux, The Nun, Park Row, Queen Kelly, Rancho Notorious, Sisters of the Gion, The Sun\'s Burial.  \n\nI\'m sure I could go further with this, but that\'ll have to do for now.  I\'m aware that some of these films are already considered masterpieces in some circles, and for those films, I\'m suggesting that the circle be widened.          ','cf6de77643e663ebb04d380748313e41',0,'','ED7op3dl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4039,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041053089,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: 10 underrated films','Underrated can also be described as personal favorites to me.  My number one would probably be Louis Friedlander\'s The Raven.  That\'s the 1935 one with Bela Lugosi for those who care.  As far as Tarkovsky goes his a brilliant genius who has gotten a surprising amount of recognition, certainly more than Parajanov or Yimou.\nWell if I picked another nine for my list they would be as follows.\n1. Les Carrabiniers (Godard) \n2. Faust (Murnau)\n3. Mississippi Mermaid (Truffaut)\n4. Kanal (Wajda)\n5. Interiors (Allen)\n6. Deconstructing Harry (Allen)\n7. The Magician (Bergman)\n8. The Long Goodbye (Altman)\n9. Twin Peaks; Fire Walk With Me (Lynch)\n10. (as mentioned before) The Raven (Friedlander)','6473a6512c2812613e792491e9bee64c',0,'','6gmy4bfc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4040,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043823363,1,0,1,1,1,1,'yesmon','Re: 10 underrated films','A few more underrated films would have to include:\nFearless-Peter Weir\nLa Roue-Abel Gance\nSchizopolis-Steven Soderbergh (Yeah, that\'s right)\nThe Heiress-William Wyler\nThe Stars Look Down-Carol Reed\nThe Hudsucker Proxy-Coen Brothers\nVampyr-Carl Dreyer\nUmberto D-Vittorio De Sica\nBabette\'s Feast-Gabriel Axel\nThe Marquis Of O-Eric Rohmer','607180a42751fb294942afbb985d92cc',0,'','Su2vtc8K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4041,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043845326,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: 10 underrated films','Didn\'t Babette\'s Feast win the Best Foreign Film Oscar? Maybe I\'m wrong, in which case apologies, but if so it\'s not exactly underrated.','a31f7398f565e226a02b6c4c0ab18e8f',0,'','tec2ZiCv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4042,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044610400,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: 10 underrated films','Powell\'s masterpiece \"Peeping Tom\" had the unfortunate luck of coming out the same year (actually months of each other) as \"Psycho\" in the states. Though the latter is far unsuperior. Martin Scorsese once said that \"Peeping Tom\" and \"8 1/2\" contain all there is to know about being a director.\n','0fff841a8cba2aff1424b05380434da2',0,'','ilaXzpJ3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4043,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047410008,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Bacchus33','Re: 10 underrated films','8 1/2 left me completely cold.  I\'m sure many others feel the same way.  There is great Italian music, painting, sculpture and poetry but I am not sure if there is a great Italian film.  As for worst film I would say any of Dario Argento\'s.','6e9b5190b2f7521116dfebd3acec90d9',0,'','bzypiEM4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4044,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047592787,1,0,1,1,1,1,'esackman','Re: 10 underrated films','If I see a foreign film and enjoyed it, and that foreign film is rated as being both one of the \"best films of the year\" and one of the \"worst films of the year,\" then it is underrated by somebody. Here are three films like that: \"Brotherhood of the Wolf,\" \"Lair of the White Worm,\" and \"The Mission.\" Enjoy all three films.','8a3af739d564c92690fae4dfdf94cea2',0,'','d3fnt5F8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4045,799,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047668368,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Re: 10 underrated films','i think the answer for \"why some great non-english masterpieces are underrrated\" is because unlike Hollywood productions, foreignfilms are hard to understand ( for sometimes i see some movies of unfamiliar cultures to me)and to evaulate,to criticise,to find( yes there are dvds of most of them but what about the rest?),mention about( cos i could find no body till i have found this site to talk about non-english movies)...\nin order to get the full taste of foreignfilms you should have a profound culturel-historical-social background of that nation!\nfor example: Yol-1982 ( The Way) when i read critiques of some people who have seen it, i imeediately realize that almost nobody could understand it except a few who had a bit knowledge of that time of Turkey...\ni think that is why ( beside the handicaps to find them ) some masterpieces films are underrated...!!!','105e0420cef5903ff7f9d00eacb1e08f',0,'','32h80bUA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4046,800,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1039657148,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Bad Films Top 100','They should have a list of BAD foreign films on the site you know the one\'s we all love to hate,i reckon the top 100 would be funny exercise.We think we know the masterworks it\'s about time the not so good films got a break \"long live BAD films\" and the wisdom to know the differance...cheers in fun.chas','3e3e406bb5c096ff95016866b47ce3cb',0,'','nqXTZQj8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4047,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1039750666,1,0,1,1,1,1,'PWPeeker','I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','Is chocolat any good? I\'ve heard quite a bit about it... but I haven\'t had the time to get to it. Eh... while I\'m here I have to do some street team work... so check out this awesome record company: www.Pumpkineaterrecords.com','0e64bf0559dafb696349ddb3cdf54451',0,'','JaeP7MvU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4048,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049762342,1,0,1,1,1,1,'shaylahilt','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','i really liked chocolate although i didn\'t expect to.  i saw it in the theatre and thought it was really good.','2c5bc542e1d8a57beb9fa462a17f6af2',0,'','T9DJacf0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4049,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049840853,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wanderingstar','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','I assume we\'re talking about the Juliette Binoche Chocolat, and not the Claire Denis one?','84131a536ef6c2d6baef1bde19309054',0,'','Ra8QN4YU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4050,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051375892,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MoonlightWanderer','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','Ahh, Chocolat--!  As a matter of fact I own that movie, It\'s pretty good.  S\'not really a foreign film, though (I think there is a foreign-language film of it, though)  It was touching and clever, but I liked the background music best of all.','091b3b4d5b13d7ca40ca0c4bea51e0bb',0,'','DpgM1bHV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4051,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051404701,1,0,1,1,1,1,'oomingakus','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?',' I don\'t know about the film with Johnny Depp and Juliette Binoche, but I DO know that the film \"Chocolat\", directed by Claire Denis, is worth checking out. It came out in 1987 (I think), and it\'s available on DVD. The two movies are different. One isn\'t a remake of the other.','e63ed5bf74c71b03f86c977478816e5f',0,'','c9S17TmE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4052,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051852556,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Arletty','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','Claire Denis directed Chocolate and Isaach de Bankole, Giula Boschi, François Cluzet, Jean-Claude Adelin give subtle and thoughtful performances.  It is set in Cameroon and is the tale of a young girl and her African friend.\n------------------------------------\n\nLasse Halstrom\'s \"Chocolat\" is a piece of confectionary.  A tale of a magical chocolate maker, her daughter and the divine presence of Johnny Depp in another well-judged performance.  Light and diverting.\n\n\n','9fe0f144517655dc1b321df97f381aa4',0,'','Nr8J9300',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4053,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052626487,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Zors','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','The movie with Johnnie Depp and Juliette Binoches is good, forgettable fluff. Worth watching, once. ','2af5412230480a36a5aec329e19f1123',0,'','bURmScFN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4054,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052762230,1,0,1,1,1,1,'anoop_raw','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','If you are talking about the movie Chocolat with Juliette Binoche in the lead then, I must say you better avoid it. That chocolat is just too sweet, too escapist, and too good to be true or real. There is not much of a plot in it and the chracters and the setting of the movie look as if they are from some fairytale book. The only good thing about this movie -  Juliette Binoche and her smile. There is nothing else worth watching in this movie. ','17743426747853456faf25b94d5730c1',0,'','9jgxCq0z',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4055,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054696049,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pavicevic_d','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','The movie is a nice love story\nWhat the hell was Johnny Depp thinking when he got this part\n','350f34d3e66ef74a0f6ef59d04d13de8',0,'','imC0LqeW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4056,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055155136,1,0,1,1,1,1,'darkbluex','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','Chocolate(2000) is the epitome of disney-fied fluff as you would get from a foreign film. Like the Brendan Fraiser version of the Mummy is a disney-fied version of The orignal Mummy with Boris Karloff. It just doesn\'t work.\n\nCan you even believe this film was nominated for Best Picture and Best Actress, thank goodness for Ridley Scott\'s Gladiator and the potty-mouth Julia Roberts in Erin Brokovich to save us from this wretched film.  It was supposed to be set in France, WHY are they speaking English with a hint of a British accent. They do this in all the American films set in non-us place. Examples: Ever Aver with Drew Barrymore, and An Affair of the Necklace with Hilary Swank.','a7dc299291b8d3b3299910c2abcec9a7',0,'','zK9t4kaq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4057,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055165026,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','I haven\'t seen Chocolat - it\'s a film I have decided to avoid - but I don\'t see why actors speaking in their own voices would be a problem. In my experience, English-speaking actors using French accents tend to sound like Inspector Clouseau. It\'s far less distracting for them to use their own natural accents. I can\'t imagine what Enemy at the Gates would have been like if everyone had spoken with Russian accents. Entertaining probably.','7c82af4aa88f9ed597b16f5738606580',0,'','f4PdtwhJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4058,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055352796,1,0,1,1,1,1,'aviv71','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','I think it depends on the setting. If the setting is France and the languuage being spoken is English, then they should just use their natural accents. A french accent would be cheezy in this situation. However, if an American actor is playing a French person speaking English, then they should use a French accent. Or something to that effect. They are actors after all, aren\'t they? Let\'s see some acting. I don\'t want to see them act like themselves.\n\nHere are some bad examples of what I\'m talking about:\n - Leonardo DiCaprio in The Man in the Iron Mask\n - Kevin Costner in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves\n\nI was embarassed at how poorly they did these roles. It was almost comical to hear their plane old American accents.\n\nGood examples:\n - Kevin Kline in French Kiss\n - Gwyenth Paltrow in Possession.\n\nI hope I\'m making sense...','3c0bdb7012bda36786c059aa99fe0d8b',0,'','STxjJygR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4059,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055375071,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','Well, I agree.','2ac820c03c61a92b819946414e076036',0,'','68rVcN5M',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4060,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059742009,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','yeah, aviv 721, did I get ur name right.  I get it.  =o)\n','3f89d918ac0de777bfd9bca6263d410c',0,'','VDNbG9QE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4061,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060780428,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','If you\'ve got a friend in her 40s who can\'t watch anything for over 12 year olds,This is the movie to see..\n(this story is true) ','51bd7cfdf0d2e746a614530a7982c57f',0,'','7RZjS5ke',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4062,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060944526,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mezincescue','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','Chocolate\" with Binoushe and Depp?Disney fluff with french\nstuffing, but if you like too sweet and \"nice\" and french -\ngo for it. Nothing to remember, no fun, total waste of time.\nBut we all differ in our preferences, some like it sweet,    even if it  tastes like a sugar substitute.\n','1e421e249b5a197cd7a880b6f02d65c9',0,'','PkGecW6S',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4063,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060944533,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mezincescue','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','Chocolate\" with Binoushe and Depp?Disney fluff with french\nstuffing, but if you like too sweet and \"nice\" and french -\ngo for it. Nothing to remember, no fun, total waste of time.\nBut we all differ in our preferences, some like it sweet,    even if it  tastes like a sugar substitute.\n','1e421e249b5a197cd7a880b6f02d65c9',0,'','4aT5noDM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4064,801,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060944539,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mezincescue','Re: I have never seen Chocolat... is it any good?','Chocolate\" with Binoushe and Depp?Disney fluff with french\nstuffing, but if you like too sweet and \"nice\" and french -\ngo for it. Nothing to remember, no fun, total waste of time.\nBut we all differ in our preferences, some like it sweet,    even if it  tastes like a sugar substitute.\n','1e421e249b5a197cd7a880b6f02d65c9',0,'','7r4RAopf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4065,802,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1040939410,1,0,1,1,1,1,'madhacker14','really good french movie , i need the name?! HELP !','i seen this movie about this lady with a baby and she lives in this very rural area. she lived there with her husband. well her husband was away for a while, buisness trip i think. and one day this hiker start camping by her house and the lady starts to talk to her and they become friends. well the lady started to like her a lot and started to get really crazy. i dont remember much just that at one point, and this is graphic people, she put a tooth brush in a toilet bowl full of poo! and they were in a beach and started to have sex with people in the woods. in the end of the movie the lady kill the owner of hte house and has her body tied up in the tent out side of the house and the husband finds it! and she ran away with the baby and they were on a boat at the end of the movie. it was a really good movie and i recamend to every one if i can get the name of it, any help is cool. i think it might have been french too !','78928826032149deeee23c81d9cb5a2f',0,'','cYqKMjgQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4066,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041056849,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Most overrated foreign films','I saw an underrated list, but what about the overrated.  This is the perfect place for those strange creatures who hate Bergman and Fellini to voice your displeasure.  So I will light a few firecrackers with my own short list.  Keep in mind some of these films may be alright, but not as good as they\'re cracked up to be.\n1. L\'atlante (Vigo)\n2. Rules of the Game (Renoir)\n3. Wages of Fear (Clouzot)\n4. The Last Laugh (Murnau)\n5. Metropolis (Lang)\n\non the American side, I will just say one word, Vertigo.','19016e382940037ec2f72e44d096ac9f',0,'','jdpuaVF8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4067,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041083472,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most overrated foreign films','You won\'t get me criticising Vigo, Murnau or Lang, and to put La Regle du Jeu on that list will be tantamount to heresy for some frequenters of this site.\n\nFor me, overrated foreign films might include L\'Avventura, Diva and Jules et Jim, though this statement may cause a massive backlash in itself.','008c72c94ce253bb9f1e617d35104cd5',0,'','VUETwnKe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4068,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041091277,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Bacchus33','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I don\'t know about \'overrated\' but at the moment I have problems with Godard, Bunuel and Pasolini.  Bergman, Vigo, Dreyer and Renoir are my favourites.','93844fb41ff962f73582a32235468e2a',0,'','xnqe0wQm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4069,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041211878,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Most overrated foreign films','that\'s a big call i\'m with gaz on this one renoir,lang,vigo,murnau all masters,& clouzot\'s film is an existential classic,i don\'t know what you\'re on but it sure is a worry.i have taken it on board & tossed it back over the side.the great directors reputations are still safe!\n','6961d60c03eb14e54a71e8bccbaed8b7',0,'','2fSQdZmh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4070,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041220781,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Murnau and Lang overrated?  Rules of the Game overrated?  Them\'s fightin\' words man!','9bbe6f5c8f03e77888f7d24de1057ce5',0,'','ibuX45mx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4071,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041233996,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ygie','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I absolutley agree with you wpqx, Rules of the Game totally overrated. \nI have to add a few more:\n81/2.\nPersona.\nand the usual suspects:\nLike water for chocolate.\nLife is beautiful.\nCrouching tiger (is this even worthy of being called a \"foreign film\"?)\n','ded6e4f46b44137a0ad239c6ff48119b',0,'','pVzyQdA1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4072,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041661826,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Sorry to go back on here again but there seems to be some confusion.  I am not arguing that Lang, Murnau, Renoir, or Clouzot are overrated directors.  My bones to pick are with the individual films.  So take the criticism indidually not at the filmmaker in question.\n','0172269880cdac3fab061f956201da97',0,'','KseLUXpN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4073,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041817296,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Most overrated foreign films','la regle du jeu speaks for itself as well as a technical masterpiece,it beguiles you with it\'s attention to detail & the easy way it moves from comedy to tragedy ,farce,theatricality & above all the humanism of the piece .no one in cinema nailed humanity as did renoir.\nbut it demands to be seen again and again as it can\'t be understood with a couple of viewings as it is so ambiguous.\nmaybe some don\'t get it but to me it is an obvious work of genius by a genius (maybe it\'s too close to home for some who knows?) i don\'t but i do know a classic when i see one.\nwelles,luc - godard,truffaut,resnais,chaplin,bertolucci all \nagree on that one!...cheers','bd780fc58e2a47e3acdd86ffe2a28826',0,'','GBzXTk7R',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4074,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041820395,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ygie','Re: Most overrated foreign films','This is such a personal topic, aren\'t they all. What is trash for one maybe a treasure for someone else.','7d9f631113560afd9a7d926b0d2a3b87',0,'','q0fRE268',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4075,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041973369,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Well, i love La Regle du Jeu, L\'Atalante, Metropolis and Vertigo. I don\'t hate Bergman and Fellini- both fine film-makers- but let\'s say i\'m a slightly strange creature in thinking them both overrated (particularly so in America, where it seems they can do no wrong). Only Persona would make my overall top 50, only 4 between them my top 100 \"foreign language\" films. ','67b7cd9d7feb318e148ef81e136fde8f',0,'','agRUzZVp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4076,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1042374139,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Re: Most overrated foreign films','i did not see so many foreign-films but these are those flick that i saw just for the highly-rating critics and film-buffs but also they were highly-dsappointing:\n\n---all about my nother\n---life is beautiful\n---rapsody in august\nwell this does not mean they were aweful but not great as told !','a8f06930921f082d497d9fdb278fab3b',0,'','Fytzi3hc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4077,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1042591203,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: Most overrated foreign films','how can All About My Mother be overrated, elaborate','3b97bcc6425cc84af8bd4ba554be4c53',0,'','Ba9zER0A',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4078,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043199309,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hasafran','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Vertigo is one of those movies that ,IMO, you must be mature to fully understand and appreciate, while Hitchcock\'s other films are more accessible with less living under your belt. Watch it again in 20 years and see if your appreciation has grown.','9a7d8aaefaa973f6736d56ec88f5d6d9',0,'','TjK5dAch',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4079,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043284890,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Most overrated foreign films','you\'ve just hit the nail on the head ,the same can be said for \"la regle du jeu\" masterpieces don\'t date, like people do!','cfb34605eee959635d5be4c80b8b3602',0,'','eNzHgTrw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4080,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046103745,1,0,1,1,1,1,'paredes','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I would have once upon a time agreed that \"L\'Avventura\" was overrated.  I first saw it as an 18 year-old and thought it was the apex of boredom.  Then years later, I watched it again (Criterion DVD) and thought it was mesmerizing.  To me it represented my growth as a film watcher that as an adult I could appreciate its subtlety and what it did for film language at the time that it was made.  Then I showed it to all my friends, thinking they would hate it and find it deathly dull, and they (none of whom are huge film buffs) all enjoyed it and thought it was really interesting, admiring the effort even if they didn\'t love the result.','48081a19008b73bfd9186d4266a0bfc0',0,'','8wGMB91R',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4081,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046155868,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Arletty','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Betty Blue\nDiva\nCinema Paradiso\nKolya\nRiffifi','063d40fa2020cc042d680e0c077f6239',0,'','21ncb3At',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4082,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047409547,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Bacchus33','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I am not trying to be deliberately provocative but here goes;\n\nIvan\'s Childhood,\nLa Bete Humaine,\nThe Gospel According to Saint Matthew,\n8 1/2\n','4c8221d26fb15131c3c5b7e70891d602',0,'','SLrgx4QK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4083,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047519854,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Most overrated foreign films',' oh no not at all!good to see you have a sense of humour \nivan\'s chidhood for a first feature length film is brilliant\nhow come u didn\'t notice the set pieces the acting ,the direction inspired by that master dhovzenko was the war too laid back?  also la bete humaine with the great cast,robust train scenes (gabin actually drove that train from paris to la havre)the counter point to the murder at  the dance hall OK the plot was a bit fanciful (based on zola),but overrated? i don\'t think so.','e2f23ab0c96670c9f7a29c64868cb054',0,'','dlsFxRU6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4084,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047940693,1,0,1,1,1,1,'anoop_raw','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Here is my list: \n1. The Seventh Seal\n2. Kolya\n3. North by Northwest\n4. The Philadelphia Story\n5. The Cook, the thief, his wife and her lover, 8 1/2 women...both directed by Peter Greenaway.\n','90ec68438b6aced1107a03eb7e07bdc0',0,'','gcMsfNXJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4085,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048377608,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tumadretumadre','Re: Most overrated foreign films','All about my mother got oscar nominations... thats plenty of overating if you ask me.','7bcd00ad757c50ba0a2fa1fb2dd9d269',0,'','dogK3wfc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4086,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049927420,1,0,1,1,1,1,'psharma88','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I agree with you I feel that a lot of movies have recieved overrateings and that some of them that you didn\'t name should be on your list of foreign movies to name.\nI still here things about the movie Lagaan and there have been many better movies since then. I feel that all Indian Movies in general have been revolving arounf the same story...LOVE. And by the time you have seen so many you practically know the end to the next movie that you watch.\nSO in conclusion I agree with you and will keep you posted about other films foreign films that have been overrated.  ','0ec79095f3af61da85e0450422aa2a70',0,'','nerCfFE8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4087,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051067456,1,0,1,1,1,1,'CulinaryJen','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Amelie\nCrouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon\n','c13dbd403db1156e3fff39147a1da996',0,'','joMSaPGu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4088,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051150982,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Most overrated foreign films','good call!','fd569f8530a5529edf1d000de654c236',0,'','LBnUDd4i',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4089,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051376193,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MoonlightWanderer','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I must protest!  Amelie is a wonderful film ---sure, it\'s not a \"classic\" but I really loved it!  I agree on \"crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon\", though.  It\'s been so popularized everyone forgets it\'s really just an average foreign film.  ( By AMERICAN standards, though, it\'s great.  We just foregt that a lot of countries make better movies than we do. :D)','08148576b7d9338abb81c269ce5b5eb6',0,'','61zwrhNv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4090,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051376409,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MoonlightWanderer','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I also have a problem with your comment on Vertigo, wpqx!  That is a masterpeice of an Alfred Hitchcock movie!  The other ones are just suspense and thrill, but Vertigo.... has more.  I swear, some people these days!','eabb3171e5b9097e871be3bf9ae67857',0,'','P9mWDQV8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4091,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051498338,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Most overrated foreign films','yeah vertigo is a masterpiece, like la regle du jeu it demands & rewards multiple viewings,but like the latter u really have to pay attention as there is so much going on, but it is worth it.','a7c9f1b24bd6b005e0d4b5ab78e25047',0,'','HqP1DNER',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4092,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052627041,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Zors','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I thought Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was overrated. I also think Godard is HUGELY overrated. I have seen Breathless twice, both at different times in my life and I walked away scratching my head thinking \"what the heck is the big deal about this?\". I liked Alphaville, but didn\'t think it was all that great. And as much as I love Kurosawa, I think Seven Samurai and Rashomon are both overrated. Persona by Bergman is overrated as well. I like Bergman, but I think some of his films that are overlooked (Cries and Whispers, Fanny & Alexander) are a lot better than the ones that get all the hype. ','31785ca513ff3b4dfcebf5c68e1ca422',0,'','ep7xKMBU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4093,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057224668,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mezincescue','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Cinema Paradiso\nAndrey Rublev\nJules and Jim\nThe Battleship Potiomkin\nPersona\neverything by and with Gerard Depardieouuuuu\nLike water for chocolate\netc, etc....','99340526de579686577c6b9aa89cecdb',0,'','17d4VRtx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4094,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057246105,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I\'m not a big fan of Jules & Jim, though maybe I should give it another chance, as I love other Truffaut films. Don\'t agree with Potemkin or Andrei Rublev though.','ac3311abcd4d8f3800f6721dd2778db1',0,'','kVLwWXEG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4095,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058067577,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: Most overrated foreign films','The most overrated film I have ever seen is Nagisa Oshima\'s In The Realm of the Senses, which is one of the worst films I\'ve ever watched.\n\nOther than that, I usually have difficulty with directors rather than films -- Bresson, Pasolini, Resnais, Godard,   Bunuel, even some Fellini, and I love Fellini.','12e6ab412660731de72a0c315eefc8de',0,'','uCRe5Wwm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4096,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059741020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Most overrated foreign films','1.  \"Y tu mama tambien,\" man!  that\'s overrated.  You try watching it ten times you\'ll see how overrated it is.  \n2.  I might get hell for this, \"Citizen Kane\"\n3.  \"Like Water for Chocolate\"\n4.  \"Talk to Her\"--It\'s a good flick, I just wouldn\'t make it win an Oscar...\n','ea21b6d5c46c9584ce0d32be9f973508',0,'','QxS7Y0jb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4097,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059765376,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Macheath','Re: Most overrated foreign films','&lt;&lt;\n1. \"Y tu mama tambien,\" man! that\'s overrated. You try watching it ten times you\'ll see how overrated it is.\n&gt;&gt;\n\nNo thanks.  I had enough trouble getting through it once.\n\nFellini\'s Satyricon is pretty overrated.','41132bd37ed505fe7cabf1f64a2ebe07',0,'','xEiaD3qY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4098,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059783573,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I think Y Tu Mama Tambien is a wonderful film. I\'ve had no problems getting through it twice. After eight more viewings I\'ll get back to you.','486ce3df9b351f36d48e339ffa3129c3',0,'','RNftS4pD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4099,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061356127,1,0,1,1,1,1,'felipejuanfroilan','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I find THE SEVENTH SEAL perfunctory. From my humble Spanish perspective, it is surprising the success that Bergman has in American public opinion, even in Woody Allen.\nI recognize that my fellow-countryman Bunuel can be really surrealistic and obscure sometimes. But I propose to see the film TRISTANA, that I consider better than the more famous VIRIDIANA. It is about the same subject, the fight of women (and mankind) against hypocrite rules of societies. ','ed4e92c43b5dd068286748f38c601775',0,'','tJd8Yfzw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4100,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062310096,1,0,1,1,1,1,'floatingweeds','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Most Kurosawa movies, especially Ran. ','ef74d64c414ad6d9dcfb446de73c0fd8',0,'','LoTkRlfF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4101,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062318666,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Slohands','Re: Most overrated foreign films','My list:\n\n1) Fellini films:  I\'ve been a Felliniphile most of my \n  years watching European films.  As I\'ve grown older \n  I\'m troubled by the idea he was less interested artist\n  and more artful dodger.\n2)Does anyone remember \"Mediterraneo\"?\n3)Truffaut\'s \"Shoot the Piano Player\" and everything after\n \"Day for Night\"\n4)Cocteau\'s Beauty and the Beast\n5)Seven Samurai\n\n\n\n\n\n\n','7c002cd223f1349663c1fee262b99aa2',0,'','0v835HgY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4102,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1063689483,1,0,1,1,1,1,'miketripp','Re: Most overrated foreign films','The only movie I\'ll list is \"Cinema Paradiso\".\n\nNow don\'t get me wrong...  I liked the film.  I don\'t think it was bad.  But I thought it was very overrated.  Perhaps I had over-hyped expectations but while I thought the movie was watchable and enjoyable, it certainly wouldn\'t be in any of my top foreign films.','f5dae098fff68c9ce4a9f4af4db860f1',0,'','mZYijzuW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4103,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1063956060,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Cinema Paradiso...I know, and that additional 53-minute footage totally ruined it.  I\'m talking about the new DVD that came out.  ','e4d6b25dd1b8bf585a2b1f7c580230f1',0,'','Lq3AK5tJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4104,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064036033,1,0,1,1,1,1,'darkthirty','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Agree on Cinema Paradiso. It\'s actually kinda glib, or shallow. What I wonder is how Andrei Rublev can be overrated? Is that even possible? lol','01e3bb11490c74e1f4a6bd3c75d16d69',0,'','LorAfbcX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4105,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067540508,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gregb','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I disagree about Cocteau\'s Beauty and the Beast being over-rated. I\'ve seen a lot of his films and I think that as a director he is under-rated','4b703c812bd31b6841baf1363d24cf32',0,'','4VTQL0Xs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4106,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067563658,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Too True,Cocteau was magical!','e80b04bd341e71c29b3204231a17b4dd',0,'','qhm04lsA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4107,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067903669,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Hands down........Andrei Rublev','0516efcb06ae1fb67d3ae1d7d3afadbe',0,'','1piFgm6o',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4108,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067904938,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Joke, right?','6dacba09a710ab90d77cdec634d25036',0,'','6PGykFE0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4109,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068060598,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Most overrated foreign films','No joke.  I\'ve watched it 4 times, once while getting quite drunk hoping that might help in the enjoyment end of it......no luck.  I like all the other films I have seen by Tarkovsky(sp), especially My Name is Ivan.  But Rublev is just brutal to me.','8b1e88e092305aeb861b309577f9dc46',0,'','XwKqMTNG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4110,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068061262,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Of course there is some unsavoury brutality, but there\'s also beauty and splendour - like the crucifixion, the casting of the bell and the beginning and end of the film. And what about the snow falling after the sack of Vladimir? Poetry in film of the highest order.','d03089e3b15d238b76ee4568f946488f',0,'','KCg06EjG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4111,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068064541,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I will admit that I liked the casting of the bell and the \'poetry\' of the film you mentioned as well as the camera work are to be commended, but as an overall experience, I just don\'t see it like the majority seem to.  But hey, to each his own, right?','5614e6d329b0650a8b6b429a12006193',0,'','25MyguZJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4112,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068064806,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Gaz, I will agree with you on a few things.  I\'ll never see the day that I would see Battleship Potemkin as overrated.  And, I never have been a fan of Jules et Jim either, but love Truffaut on the whole.  I have not watched my copy of Y tu Mama Tambien yet.  Maybe I\'ll do that today.','bc7a13de98b7559077b27b2619aad5e7',0,'','cSYUGQmT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4113,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068066857,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I recommend it. And Le Boucher too.','f503bb754882cce75ced8ecebd60e4b1',0,'','TgStjhBJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4114,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068482429,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ustink','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Any Almodovar film!\n','5ef8d2918cc35c3acd27c8fe152e3723',0,'','Se9YA4Po',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4115,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068489361,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most overrated foreign films','As a pedant, I must point out that Jamon Jamon for one is not an Almodovar film, as your comment on that page suggests - it was directed by Bigas Luna. Not a bad director by any means.','de4b4e5832215239b3df06ef7b750765',0,'','7K0bVCcj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4116,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068504148,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ustink','Re: Most overrated foreign films','Alright, smarty-pants.  I stand corrected.  But not on Almodovar.  His movies suck.','76772c11049c76089e50db84090c47ed',0,'','HCrmUgpi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4117,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068506320,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ustink','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I feel compelled to retract my \"sucks\" statement as it may offend others.  Sorry!  I still don\'t like Almodovar but there is no reason for such language...\n\n','90dda852b83aaa8a549b59776f9e5f57',0,'','9YL8VmHc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4118,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068509451,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I\'ve heard worse language...and on this site too.','8026cbf143592288de39cdb03956648e',0,'','fnJuhkv3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4119,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068534659,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I am picking four films from the collective Top 100. These are [u]not[/u] bad films but they do not belong in such a list.\nI find [i]Run Lola Run[/i](#81) shallow and self-consciously hip; [i]Amelie[/i](#51) too precious and calculated to evoke nostalgia for a lily-white Paris that does not exist; [i]Amarcord[/i](#41) is wildly uneven and condescending towards its small-town characters.\nThe most over-rated film in these boards is clearly [i]City of God[/i]. This film is pure exploitation no matter how brilliant on a purely technical level. The film does not provide any insight into the conditions that created the violence. It lacks courage to point a finger at those whose malice and neglect facilitate this subculture of violence. Is this the fifth best film ever?  ','e1d26e7c8c56fd93508b91b899d984d7',0,'','pYaoz2L0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4120,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068551189,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I\'m pleased that I wasn\'t the only one who wasn\'t bowled over by Run Lola Run. Clever indeed, but not necessarily one I am likely to come back to.','427a1dc054888ba67abd9db36a4ba682',0,'','TmduaFGs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4121,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1069068941,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I usually shrug off disappointing films, but one film I actively dislike is Wings of Desire.  ','e8cb945087e2de40c5147e73f579ce7e',0,'','iwpUxcAv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4122,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1069069267,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I forgot to mention the most disappointing film I\'ve seen in a long time -- Zhang Yimou\'s Hero. ','280ec5cddafa4c860f00f73e8b94d92d',0,'','zX0gvP14',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4123,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1069314539,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Most overrated foreign films','I am quite surprised g_d, especially after finding [i]Ashes of Time[/i] in your list of favorites. I [u]love[/u] Yimou\'s HERO.','a68f64edf55a3280c93a6b5c70fa9ae7',0,'','2csoWdvh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4124,803,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1069462942,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: Most overrated foreign films','A friend of mine in France kept telling me that Hero was fascist, and provided me with criticism from Europe about its fascist overtones. I didn\'t think it was fascist, but it was definitely nationalistic. It was pretty obvious that Yimou was trying to avoid censorship and gain the support of the Chinese Film Authorities, not only to get the film made, but so it would screen in the Chinese mainstream and earn revenue at the box office. I can\'t blame him for wanting to make a commercially successful film within his own country, but the result is a politically messy film that cuts its nose off despite its face. \n\nThe King is not the \"Hero\" in question, and the film doesn\'t favour his heroism. You could see Yimou trying to make that point implicitly at the end when the King hesistates in having Nameless executed, but capitulates to his advisors\' demands. They pressure the King to kill Nameless for the sake of conquering All Under Heaven, when Yimou\'s subversion of the wuxia genre had been Broken Sword\'s idea that all could be united under heaven. There was nothing to suggest that the King (and future generations) wouldn\'t keep perpetuating in cycles of violence (which is how most Zhang Yimou films end), and I don\'t the King shared the same ideals as his would-be assassins. The problem was that Yimou tacked that epilogue onto the end, over the shot of the Great Wall of China, and while there was no translation of the Chinese, I assume it was about the cultural progress that the King made by unifying China. There\'s no way that anybody can argue that this wasn\'t done to appease not only the Chinese authorities, but those critics within China who have always accused him of selling out to the West by portraying China in a negative light through political allegories and thinly veiled criticism of the social conditions. With his budget, I don\'t think he could afford to make another film that Chinese audiences are ambivalent to. Hence, the nationalism. \n\nIt wasn\'t the politics that bothered me, though. The story was limp and uninspired. I thought it was a waste of Tony Leung and Maggie Cheung\'s talents. They were both in Wong Kar Wai\'s Ashes of Time, which is a beautiful wuxia about memory and desire, love, longing and loss, and has a narrative structure that really is like ashes of time. It also has one of the most stunning endings I\'ve seen. I don\'t see how we\'re supposed to care about them in Hero, since we know so little about them and are subjected to them dying over and over again, with no resonance whatsoever. I had read so much about how they evoked real emotion and passion, but I felt absolutely no emotional connection with them whatsoever. It\'s the most unmoving film I\'ve seen them in. The most positive thing I can say about the film is that the scene where Maggie Cheung fights Zhang Ziyi in the autumn leaves is a really beautiful scene.','230a95ee40682f92dd126318b880ab85',0,'','WtQX8pK1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4125,804,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041273628,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Bacchus33','Suprahistorical','I was reading today, in Walter Kaufmann\'s book, about Nietzsche\'s ideas on the \'suprahistorical\', ie. that \'aesthetic values appeared to be, in a sense, independent of historical change... If the beauty of Greece is still beauty to us, is its independence of time rather different from that of the human anatomy?\'  If we were to apply this to cinema and its aesthetics would we find the same timelessness?  Is cinema as art definable as suprahistorical, or is it simply decadent?  I would like someone to discuss this with me.','706dc121ac264c52e083ae405a61d062',0,'','edWFyM8R',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4126,804,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041273791,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Bacchus33','Re: Suprahistorical','I put this message here as I thought it was an important idea concerning whether certain films are objectively great and not just subject to individual taste.','36a37732047697fd3146d7f6520b0ff2',0,'','GoupNPya',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4127,804,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041565746,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mr. West','Re: Suprahistorical','Hi Bacchus,\n\nI think I know you from the bbc films website.  I certainly don\'t believe that cinema is entirely \"immune\" to time.  Of course, our frame of reference for discussing this only goes back to the beginning of the 20th Century (the beginning of film).  It\'s not the same as looking back to ancient Greece!  But maybe it\'s not all that different.\n\nI suppose there are certain standards of beauty, drama, and other aspects of art that will always be common to the human race.  But art is still very much subject to time.  Most people today would be more moved watching a dramatic play about contemporary life and issues than a play by Aeschylus, for example.  In the realm of cinema, a lot of contemporary viewers are completely unmoved and disinterested when they watch a film from the 1940\'s or 50\'s, for example.\n\nOn the other hand, I could give a counter example from my own experience in the form of, say, \'Maedchen in Uniform.\'  I think the film is aesthetically beautiful; the fact that it was made in 1931 means nothing to me, perhaps other than the idea that it was from an era of cinematic greatness long past.  Yet, someone 500 years from now may look at that film and react to it the way that I react to Chaucer\'s \"Canterbury Tales\" -- with a very indifferent shrug.  Chaucer could have been the voice of his generation in his time, but I look at the \"CT\" as something basically absurd and alien.','2ab42916d19df391d3e7052bb986dad2',0,'','ER9JfQMl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4128,804,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041791997,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Bacchus33','Re: Suprahistorical','I don\'t really know about that.  Greek tragedy was always artificial, very different to modern theatre, more like opera in fact.  Of course someone like Shakespeare was recognisably influenced by the Greeks, Sophocles in The Winter\'s Tale, etc.  When I look at a Renaissance painting I still find it beautiful.  Perhaps that is because I am really just a classicist at heart.  I hate the idea of cinematic Marxism.  It appears to me that fashion has got an awful lot more to do with both Marxism and Fascism than some people would like to admit.  Maybe I\'m just biased, but I don\'t believe so.  I think that cinema is losing credibility rather than gaining it, I long for an apolitical filmmaker.  I think that the suprahistorical exists outside of politics or religion, perhaps that is what art is.  If you look at a Raphael painting, even with a religious theme, there is always something which transcends it.  I wonder if anything in cinema does this, or can ever do it.   ','be30c8c462ca675d10ba44074eab8075',0,'','mL5DhlRo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4129,805,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041510189,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Best Turkish Films ?','yes i know that we dont have so many opportunity to see Turkish films but i wonder as far as u saw which are the best ?','c233d0cd577679dc33e91e8af2dbe9cb',0,'','1cdRNgtq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4130,805,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041793751,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Best Turkish Films ?','Seen very few. Yol (Guney) is superb.','548cac1162c0605cf8dfd0f697ad92df',0,'','4trNxKzZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4131,805,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043048727,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mukkaddeshamm','Re: Best Turkish Films ?','best turkish films are from Kemal Sunal as a comedy ;Hababam sinifi,Saban Papucu Yarim,and I also love Cuneyt Arkin action movies \"Dunyayi Kurtaran Adam\' also Sener Sen\" Amerrikali and DAVACI .........hope you guys like this movies........Sure I miss watching them......','457e37353d345bce94911f52e13eafed',0,'','ctjd1HgY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4132,805,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043091536,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Best Turkish Films ?','For the cinema centenary, 1895-1995, the following films were chosen by Attila Dorsay as the 10 best from Turkey, in Variety International Film Guide;\n\nYol (Guney)\nThe Herd (Guney, Okten)\nA Season in Hakkari (Kiral)\nMotherland Hotel (Kavur)\nHope (Guney)\nThey call her Vasfire (Yilmaz)\nThe Bride (Akad)\nMuhsin Bey (Turgul)\nThree Comrades (Un)\n\n\nThat\'s only 9!','eb47038711181474cbd25b8ac1eac3fb',0,'','2aVyMXqF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4133,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1041769267,1,0,1,1,1,1,'stevan','Stanley Kubrick','I think that Stanley Kubrick\'s career is the greatest for a director. Not only he had the last word against the big studios in most of his films, even when they didn\'t look like blockbuster hits at all (2001, Barry Lyndon), but also because of the wide range of genres he worked on, I mean, 2001, a Clockwork Orange, Barry Lyndon, Dr. Strangelove, Full Metal Jacket, The Shining, etc: what the fuck do they have in common besides being almost masterpieces and all from Stanley Kubrick? Isn\'t the greatest directorial career ever?','cb691178685d2a3ca375f5aa3e41259c',0,'','1YxWzr9m',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4134,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1042789516,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Stanley Kubrick','strangelove is his masterpiece have you noticed that he is as cold as a maggot (meaning his films lack warmth for humanity)but i like him just the same.technically brilliant!','eb026d87d91f1564d8f9fa6dbb788ff4',0,'','u1WhMP60',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4135,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1042799121,1,0,1,1,1,1,'skagrl666','Re: Stanley Kubrick','I believe one of his best films was \"Full Metal Jacket.\" Very powerful...','bbac2aae7618a37ead2fe9de1c122c5e',0,'','Nru9Wkyd',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4136,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1042815426,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Stanley Kubrick','Nobody\'s yet mentioned my personal favourite Kubrick film, the masterpiece that is Lolita.','323570e45361da5322322d85f51242e3',0,'','DicYaNpC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4137,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043199176,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hasafran','Re: Stanley Kubrick','My personal favorite  is Barry Lyndon. He caught the concern with superficial ornamentation of the rococo period perfectly in vision, form and feeling.','495ac064a537381ac2c10d0f84ed0d24',0,'','lvUECbDN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4138,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043438059,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: Stanley Kubrick','Kubrick may have the best directorial career ever, but he croaked along with \"Eyes Wide Shut\".','4bffdc95853683d350101ddc6aa66cd1',0,'','WD2V1975',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4139,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045620746,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dbfilmmaker','Re: Stanley Kubrick','In order of greatness:\nA Clockwork Orange\nBarry Lyndon\n2001: A Space Odyssey\nDr. Strangelove\nFull Metal Jacket\nLolita\nPaths of Glory\nThe Shining\n...I refuse to put EWS on this list','e63c3395fca4c3a954c258232109309b',0,'','FuX18k0f',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4140,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045825162,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Stanley Kubrick','I\'m sorry but \"Lolita\" and \"The Shining\" were not good films. I love Kubrick as much as the next guy, but they were WAY too long and indulgent. Barry Lyndon, Clockwork, 2001, Strangelove, and Full Metal Jacket arer the greats.','a39b5173fda0d84caa24d8db4577094e',0,'','CmGH19sA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4141,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047220611,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Europa','Re: Stanley Kubrick','Unfortunately I feel that Stanley Kubrick is one of the most overrated directors of all time...he was more of a pseudo-intellectual, than an intellectual; continually failing to get to grips with his chosen subject matter, which was often complex and intellectually demanding.\nEven projects such as The Shining by Stephen King, fell short of the mark, where the author himself stated that Kubrick didn\'t grasp the essence of his book.\nAlso 2001: A Space Odyssey, though visually impressive for the time, was on a narrative level, rather incomprehensible...if one hadn\'t read the book.\nPeople are under the misapprehension that because a director\'s work is influential, it is automatically of artistic merit - one only has to look at the embaressingly unsophisticated films of Sam Fuller, to see this.\nHaving good ideas is not enough, the capacity to express them successfully in an artistic manner, differentiates between mediocrity and genius. ','91e87bc4d5ff57da7dc07b0f12752b86',0,'','p0DNd9m7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4142,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052988317,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Stanley Kubrick','Come on guys...The Shining? That movie is really not good at all. And this is coming from a Kubrick fan. 150 minutes? WAAAY too long. He could\'ve easily cut off 50 minutes from the movie and it would\'ve been better. Same with Lolita. Too long and tiring. Adrian Lyne\'s version with Jeremy Irons was better. Full Metal Jacket is good but overrated. Some call it the greatest war movie ever...huh? The first act in the training camp is brilliant, but the rest is a letdown. His supreme masterpieces have got to be 2001, Strangelove, Barry Lyndon & Clockwork Orange.','9476569b9d1beb7ebca2eb13ac28cce3',0,'','CnRJyYEH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4143,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053032114,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Stanley Kubrick','Oh nooooo, nobody says Adrian Lyne\'s Lolita is better than Kubrick\'s. I\'m prepared to concede that Kubrick\'s film is overlong, but then most films are - just ask Roger Corman - and that Lyne\'s is closer to the book, and even that Irons looks more like Humbert ought to than Mason. The difference is that one film is great and the other isn\'t.\n\nLyne seems to forget that Nabokov\'s book is funny - Kubrick never overlooks this. Also there is something about Lyne\'s cast which makes me switch off. Jeremy Irons is no James Mason, Frank Langella is no Peter Sellers (some would say that\'s a good thing - I don\'t) and Melanie Griffith is certainly no Shelley Winters. Give me Kubrick\'s overlong, overrated masterpiece anyday.\n\nI\'ve said my piece.','76d6e5e45dea4e346d26a797be0893a2',0,'','aewNx308',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4144,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054341013,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Macheath','Re: Stanley Kubrick','No mention of the wonderfully entertaining The Killing?\n\nMy five:\n2001\nDr. Strangelove\nPaths Of Glory\nThe Killing\nFull Metal Jacket','dee72eb741bfb7a5668c74d3d2a52189',0,'','UfW8QB35',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4145,806,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055525571,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: Stanley Kubrick','Lolita is a GREAT film...hilarious to boot...Not a faithful adaptation of Nabokov\'s book (it never would\'ve passed the censors), but filled with great performances, especially that of Shelley Winters.  ','4fda03c2ed16499d5a1853b6ef3ee921',0,'','dmfZtPAr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4146,807,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1042058070,1,0,1,1,1,1,'visualdance','shooting for a dream','hey,\nIm stuck in a tight situation trying to come through for a project. I will be brief...but you can find my story at this web address...its a means for me to prepare for my next film but its also my personal story.\n\nhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20135&item=934547172&rd=1\n\nI would appreciate any questions or comments, maybe even a bid. Or if you like pass on the address to a friend. The story will still be posted even after the auction ends.\n\nThanks\nOrion\n','b2b37ee342ac176d81a0b4a5bb90296b',0,'','bH5rUXS0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4147,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043487601,1,0,1,1,1,1,'infobs','I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','those 2 film directors direct nothing except their fantams to us. they hate the world around them. they think this world is a comedy. they have sense of derision but not of tragic. they are the tragedy.','9942a41b27aeb68f39fb265c405ffd30',0,'','mDp0TBwc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4148,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043509037,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','Perhaps something is lost in the translation, but I can\'t agree with you that Visconti, at least, has no sense of the tragic. (I\'m no Fellini expert.) One only has to watch Death in Venice to understand that (whether the film is to one\'s taste or not).\n\nPerhaps you are joking - I don\'t know anyone who would say Fellini and Visconti think the world is a comedy.\n\nIn any case, it\'s rather irrational to make such gross generalisations.','3065820508c2f06945dcd66f371410de',0,'','ofXPQAGV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4149,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1043525785,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','Fellini certainly had a taste for the absurd, and a surreal wit- a circus master, with a film \"Clowns\". I\'m not his biggest fan, but i do think you\'re being a bit unfair!\n\nAs for Visconti; many of his lush dramas (Senso, L\'Innocente..) have a bitter sting in the tail. Hadn\'t thought of him as a joker before, more a serious artist with a keen historical and film-making intelligence, and often a gorgeous visual sense.\n\nNo doubt Tarkovsky, Antonioni and Angelopoulos were masters of screwball and slapstick comedy. (There is a little trip in Nostalgia). ','f17cecc055c987ae11a0b2cf39938b50',0,'','xitQ1TaM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4150,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044259545,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','Well, even though you\'re wrong, you are entitled to your opinion. Fellini had such mastery and control over essentially every aspect of the filmmaking process and film language, that I don\'t see your point frankly. If you don\'t like his films, that\'s fine, but to say that he wasn\'t a good director is a moot point, because he already proved it many times over before you began typing.','b021a09c90a500b3586a666a94f80682',0,'','8BLJluM6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4151,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045361632,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','You picked a surprisingly unpopular topic.  I am surprised that none of the monsters that hate Fellini aren\'t supporting you.  I for one also think you are wrong.  Fellini is great, and maybe all you need is to watch his movies again.  This worked wonders for La Dolce Vita.  As for Visconti, well he had his moments, and seems too serious to be comic.\n','06853f93cef05a55b9d2617deebb0536',0,'','hxqmjUDX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4152,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055527920,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','Unfortunately, for those of you who don\'t speak Italian, or understand the Italian psyche, there\'s a whole lot lost in the translation.  8-1/2 is a brilliant film about a director with writer\'s block, and everyone with whom he comes into contact has a great idea for his film.  The dialogue\'s simply hilarious.  ','ff14e20250b81cb564dd8c5ceb2b1b2d',0,'','VMD3Rgfq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4153,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055527966,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','And what about Rocco and his Brothers? No sense of tragedy?','ea38f548e36365fbd92d4d61b0d1f324',0,'','9gpjid4w',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4154,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1056184075,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','Notice how this guy hasn\'t responded back? Hehehe...I think he knows he was grossly wrong and has seen the truth. I am going to go watch \"Senso\" now, so excuse me...','37fff69eb1568c79e398459d9e660e87',0,'','98PeX6Kq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4155,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057848881,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ksparent','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','I\'ve just watched my second Fellini film (first was 8 1/2, now Julliette). Frankly, I can\'t say I\'m eager to watch my third. You\'ll never hear me say that I hate him or his films, and I *can* understand why 8 1/2 is considered so great even though it\'s not my cup of tea, but as a matter of personal tastes, I find Fellini not much to my liking.\n\nBut I will check out La Dolce, just to see what he was like before 8 1/2.\n\n\n','d822f15297bfd21b2612457cac0015db',0,'','oFMfErsa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4156,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058464425,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','If you\'re still looking for tragic in Fellini, try La Strada, with Anthony Quinn as Zampano, the circus strongman and Giulietta Masina as Gelsomina, his half-witted assistant...doesn\'t get more tragic than this....and if you\'re looking for a scandinavian parallel, go directly to Sawdust & Tinsel...early Bergman.\n','6a4e2156d08de7dffd2476fb4027b4c4',0,'','ph5rq6J0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4157,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058609492,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mezincescue','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','Waw! But ofcourse, you have the right to hate anyone, as long as you can articulate your reasons. But simly saying\nthat they create their own fantasms\" - sure, they do! as \nany of seriouse /and not so/ artists and writers, as long \nas it is not Speilberg. You don,t have to submit to \"the classic\" taste and be a rebel, but at least prove your point\nand tell what you like, instead.I hate All Tarkovsky - the\nlater, - the more!but i know why, even if most of movie fans gave me this \"you just don\'t understand\" shrug.\n Fellini is very real and very tragic, maybe it is not your language he speaks.','1233534ddb2e802dfbac484e719a324a',0,'','v7GEirCq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4158,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058667468,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ksparent','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','I\'m sure I\'l check out La Strada at some point, though it\'s not tragedy I\'m looking for. What would make Fellini work for me is less self-indulgance. Truth is, I *want* to like the guy and his films.\n\nCome to think of it, I still have unwatched DVDs of Varsity Lights and A Self-Portrait of Fellini. Maybe something will click in me with one of these.','3c14d95122cc14bd8d1caa9890f015dc',0,'','8a57iCKV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4159,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058702717,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','My favourite Fellini film, and his best, in my opinion, is Nights of Cabiria. If nothing else, check it out for the brilliant, Giulietta Masina. ','99fbacb2e4cd58b8d222dada9827f4b2',0,'','NuFVPx69',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4160,808,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059741455,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: I HATE FELLINI, VISCONTI','i like visconti, well at least the one film i watched that he directed.  \"Death in Venice.\"  It\'s very subjective...','e8bb3c9bce5402e2dcd1e5eca515f69d',0,'','oDAxMRum',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4161,809,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044264868,1,0,1,1,1,1,'eldalieva','top 5 mexican movies','im mexican and i love to see great national movies entering internationally, so tell me your list, mine:\n1.viridiana\n2.los olvidados\n3.amores perros\n4.el\n5.y tu mama tambien\n\nand if you can tell why did you liked it so muck\n\nthanx','bf98b59fe8e6c64aff7e17dedb8e67df',0,'','D2KjAr4N',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4162,809,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044264985,1,0,1,1,1,1,'eldalieva','Re: top 5 mexican movies','oh,  i forgot, \"cronica de un desayuno\" is great to (traslation would be something like \"story about a  breakfast \")','4970175e647c831367064edbbf3299a2',0,'','JbKplRwu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4163,809,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044321489,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: top 5 mexican movies','Yours is undoubtedly a very strong list! I only wish i\'d seen more Mexican classics. Apart from those you mention, i understand El Compadre Mendoza, Pueblerina, Canoa, Principio y Fin, Maria Candelaria, The Wave, and La Ley de Herodes are highly rated, and i\'d be interested in what you think of any of them or the following (which i\'ve seen): El Angel Exterminador, Like Water for Chocolate/Como Agua para Chocolate, Que Viva Mexico, El Topo, Santa Sangre, Cronos, El Mariachi, Deep Crimson, Simon of the Desert. I\'m looking forward to The Crime of Father Amaro, and Perfume de Violetas. ','187ede246c8c8050a4362e729018af3f',0,'','UirNH3YT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4164,809,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044341020,1,0,1,1,1,1,'eldalieva','Re: top 5 mexican movies','-la ley de herodes is good movie specially because of the criticism that it stablishes on the (very, very) corrupt political sistem in mexico.\n\n-like water to chocolate: i didnt liked it so much, i was very dissapointed when i saw it, i think its too romantic for me (i think movies need to have a great plot argument if one of the themes in the movies is love, even if it appears on little dosis\n\n-i think el marichi was a bad experiment of a mexican indie\n(if theres a god of indies this movie would be the one, the producer actualy had to sell blood to gain money for making the film)\n\n-angel exterminador: i havent saw it (feel guilty about it) , and i will be able to sleep until i see it \n\n-father amaro wasnt on my nerves in the premiere so i havent saw it, dont like the plot very much (and if you heard that was a great impact in mexico, it was but only because the stupidity of the archbishop of something here in the country','7f33e6b256ddad49097ac9939dbede90',0,'','cHdBQktf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4165,809,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054637877,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tijbc78','Re: top 5 mexican movies','I\'m very proud to sees that there is somebody who\'s watching mexican films and talk about them,but our industry (if you can call industry something so unstable like the one that make mexican films) is so diverse that would take a whole site to talk about it; in the meantime you can add to your list:Las Abandonadas (1934);Una Familia de Tantas(1948);Aventurera(1949);Dona Barbara (1944);En la Palma de tu Mano (1949);El Bruto (1952,Luis Bunuel);Rosa Blanca (1961 banned)La Formula Secreta(1965)Mecanica Nacional (1971);El Castillo de la Pureza (1972);Un Lugar sin Limites (1977);Canoa (1977);Frida(yes the original one,1983);Rojo Amanecer(1988);Los Passos de Ana(1988);Principio y Fin (1993);El callejon de los Milagros(1993);Embrujo(2000) ','5206934e3adb756d823cc37eb06faec0',0,'','Pa1yi5pz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4166,809,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059743164,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: top 5 mexican movies','i like amores perros and that\'s it.  I watched only a total of three films-- along with that one, the other two are \"y tu mama tambien\" and \"el crimen del padre amaro.\"   It\'s not that i have a thing for gael garcia bernal, but those are the only flicks they have here.  They started with Y tu mama tambien...It\'s just a surprise to me that there are good films like this from mexico, because those mexican soap operas they keep churning out are atrocious!  I thought even their films are like that, fortunately I\'m mistaken.  =o)','2082525b670f7554e19a9b72ca1b7968',0,'','X3b70omZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4167,809,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060463439,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: top 5 mexican movies','What about the ones with Vincente Fernandez? *snicker*','b04282fc117f56c60db083873f9a2715',0,'','cTXrthoD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4168,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044265385,1,0,1,1,1,1,'eldalieva','the grosest films ever','including bad taste scenes, grose sex, etc \nmy list in order:\n\n1.salo, 120 days of sodom \n2.bad taste \n3.some scenes of Akira\n\nthat are the ones i can remember ','f0e684beeec4082b5b1ebf07ba99bbc1',0,'','DM0kpJa3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4169,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044314932,1,0,1,1,1,1,'chubbence','Re: the grosest films ever','I would agree with Salo, Bad Taste is just plain good fun though. Another gross movie is Cannibal Holocaust and to a certain extent Man Bites Dog. Although somewhat more disturbing than gross.\nTa-ta!','9d9aba6e6bf0aedef4c919cd33542cfd',0,'','Bl8YRDM0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4170,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044592204,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: the grosest films ever','i don\'t know about grosest,but the guy who makes the grossest films for me is Ken Russell over the top for the sake of it,pretentious rubbish most of it.the Devils just passes muster.','7f608f0a0e0035d475167551e4977b97',0,'','Kga3eHE8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4171,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044608732,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: the grosest films ever','Salo is by far the most disgusting film ever. Also, I\'d add \"Tetsuo: The Ironman\" from Japan and John Waters\' \"Pink Flamingos\".','48d82babbcd73f6967568ae56cb17da0',0,'','5sKwGuzl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4172,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045657067,1,0,1,1,1,1,'natrev','Re: the grosest films ever','Society, it lulls you into a false sense of security then hits you with the shunting. Auditon made me hide behind my hands in the cinema.','662fb3d8b497e3ba328d42b42c4a5c46',0,'','vYqWbuBX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4173,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045658649,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bmxsuperhero','Re: the grosest films ever','Jackson\'s Dead Alive is fairly repulsive.  As for Cannibal Holocaust, I nearly jumped out of my seat when I saw the severed turtle\'s head jerk on the ground.','61d1c2d01130c1f65c292a11057ee4b7',0,'','4koSaKXw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4174,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045681291,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ella_es_mi_todo','Re: the grosest films ever','i saw gothic recently, theres sum pretty grose stuff in that! some good imagery as well though','4e935a0748afbce20c2aa55171e501e6',0,'','691idGNc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4175,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046900275,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa','Re: the grosest films ever','How about \"Blood Sucking Freaks\"? In another genre, how about \"In a Glass Cage\"?','585178ddd510dfede381180ea9ad7f5f',0,'','cfK9oeCz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4176,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046921748,1,0,1,1,1,1,'itsreal07','Re: the grosest films ever','don\'t know about grosest but \"audition by takashi miike\" definitely a sick film and horriying.','77945b40c4df526825dacc82d767d79c',0,'','WcD4bUt7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4177,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046970520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa','Re: the grosest films ever','Oh yeah---\"Sick: The Life and Times of Bob Flanagan, Supermasochist\". Check it out!','083e263a92a3cc58e65549407a1c65af',0,'','omLNu3He',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4178,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047324164,1,0,1,1,1,1,'anoop_raw','Re: the grosest films ever','The grosest film i ever saw was: Lies (Korean). Peter Greenaway\'s \'The Cook, the thief, his wife and her lover\' was grose too. The movie made no sense and the last scene was just too bad in taste!','dc34ab5364c3861b33571e92318cc07c',0,'','sdgKbLrB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4179,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047324932,1,0,1,1,1,1,'anoop_raw','Re: the grosest films ever','The grosest film i ever saw was: Lies (Korean). Peter Greenaway\'s \'The Cook, the thief, his wife and her lover\' was grose too. The movie made no sense and the last scene was just too bad in taste!','dc34ab5364c3861b33571e92318cc07c',0,'','FyMvnkap',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4180,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047520413,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: the grosest films ever','too bad in taste is that a bad pun?the film is a brilliant black comedy easily greenaways best i sure wish he\'d get his sense of fun back in his films.','28efde10321e7d0b4837bc1a156a44b0',0,'','Db0jBNn7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4181,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048909774,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tastlikeburning','Re: the grosest films ever','I don\'t think any film will ever beat the closing scene of John Waters\' \"Pink Flamingos\" There will never be another actress so devoted to her work as Divine was.','9f3e55daa45f99d9f03c0c9bb22bf330',0,'','lu4G9UMg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4182,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049256239,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ygie','Re: the grosest films ever','Clean, Shaven','a7f1cb21412e8d20be51da58a0678f2a',0,'','vqhEs2Mm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4183,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049677759,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: the grosest films ever','Black Beauty\nThe Secret Garden\n','5313924c1b10ff12954dbb16d24e78e1',0,'','s0yjZJxW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4184,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052445976,1,0,1,1,1,1,'shoehorn','Re: the grosest films ever','Three that dome to mind as truly gross are :\n\nLEOLO\nLA VIE DE JESUS\nL\'HUMANITE\n\nThey are also three of the best films I have ever seen.','8b9d6be10786e1707a556a4c7e6f3a90',0,'','cfeGq8XE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4185,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052450139,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa','Re: the grosest films ever','A new one (to me, anyway) that\'s pretty gross is the Korean film \"Address Unknown\", with some pretty heavy violence by US standards. It does to dogs what \"Gummo\" did to cats, among some fairly heavy human-on-human stuff.','528dd956e4642347ae35229ef0bdc745',0,'','9hGeqskS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4186,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052460294,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: the grosest films ever','The grossest film I have seen is Takashi Miike\'s Ichi The Killer.','3a56d230f13ca136de1c0591ae6e8088',0,'','fVPjEeGg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4187,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052626669,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Zors','Re: the grosest films ever','The grossest film I ever saw was The Cook The Thief His Wife and Her Lover. Lynch\'s Eraserhead was pretty gross too. ','7f93ae85f53fc3ee2356ae7b9ef9ea60',0,'','h8jRZUfn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4188,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052988071,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: the grosest films ever','Actually I didn\'t really think The Cook, The Thief, His Wife & Her Lover wasn\'t that sick. The opening scene with the feces is, but it\'s a great movie for one reason: Sacha Vierny (greatest photographer ever) as DP. Anyways, Salo takes the cake. Though I\'d also add Gaspar Noe\'s Irreversible & his earlier I Stand Alone.','d1c28ca1289392bccf2df30b63671f0f',0,'','D9bMwUG5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4189,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053997765,1,0,1,1,1,1,'genjuro_xx','Re: the grosest films ever','\"Akira\" had too much gore in it. But I haven\'t seen \"Salo\" yet.','2f44f5fc4e769b8c05a81ecd6c2e76f5',0,'','ArVxf30p',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4190,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055525880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: the grosest films ever','If you\'re talking gross special effects, my vote is for John Carpenter\'s The Thing...there\'s a scene where a tongue comes out of the mouth of a severed head, wraps itself around a table leg to pull itself away from a flamethrower, flips rightside up, sprouts 8 spider legs and antennae and skitters away...really disgusting even after several viewings.','e5e328cea76555016dca6ca0cbea3e6e',0,'','vG17XELC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4191,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055528138,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: the grosest films ever','I wouldn\'t have called Leolo gross. Uninspired maybe...\n\nI think Salo is one of those films I am never going to have the guts to watch. Seeing stills from the film is more than enough, unless someone would like to convince me it\'s worth it despite the sado-masochism.','460c0bd99abbbd29a71a4980dd5007ca',0,'','h0glimpc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4192,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057223023,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: the grosest films ever','Salo is NOWHERE NEAR as bad as it may look. I am saying this as someone who is fairly conservative. But be warned. Certain images and scenes (probably the ones you know about) will never leave you and will always be in your head. There were definitely times during it when I had to keep reminding myself that this is all fake and it\'s just a movie...but if what you\'re afraid of is the pure visual sickness of it, I could probably name tons of other movies that out-gross it. It is definitely the most disturbing & haunting film ever, but I think you should see it if A) you\'re a die-hard Pasolini fan or B) see something that you won\'t forget (and come on...sometimes it\'s kinda fun to be disturbed a little bit).','3f9a45f793a8fcd523767322117a5da5',0,'','BhmUN2de',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4193,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057837352,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mezincescue','Re: the grosest films ever','SALO is the winner here.\nAs for \"the cook, the theif etc...\" - it was a wise film.\nBut lately it was \"The piano teacher\" - for it\'s total\npretentiouse emptyness, even if it tried to be very \n\"cinema verite\".','507149aef5e0afc9614b38a778d06597',0,'','6peCqY4l',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4194,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059741378,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: the grosest films ever','What do you mean gross? Literally--I guess, Nagisa Oshima\'s \"In the realm of the senses.\"  i couldn\'t even finish it, it was so gross and I guess Peter Greenaway\'s \"The Pillow book\"  is also a bit much.  I couldn\'t finish \"The City of Lost Children\" either.  ','29e500f70c0f24534958a78784495be8',0,'','SHEq4hca',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4195,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061617908,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: the grosest films ever','Lot\'s of grose Finnish films,mostly involving body fluids.. \nlike \"Seitsemän veljestä\" (7 brothers) by Jouko Turkka. \nKIDS.','f76d7edd04aa2dd04211ae530a73400b',0,'','B5ePkX79',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4196,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061746370,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: the grosest films ever','I wouldn\'t have called Kids gross - I suppose it depends on one\'s definition of the word. Kids is gritty, voyeuristic, depressing, but gross?','4feaf35cea5d84d8da804bc644d0086b',0,'','3T5t68Ml',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4197,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061870208,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: the grosest films ever','and what would be the definition of the world according to someone who calls Kids gross? ','28bb40ca34423715b9d6b6bef9ff4382',0,'','uKrjo6y0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4198,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061871680,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: the grosest films ever','Oh sorry..I can\'t read!It\'s my L syndrome... \n/Yes.I think you could call it gross..among other things. ','e0fcbec45b41d626de7965443fed9e11',0,'','SRGprxHK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4199,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062310422,1,0,1,1,1,1,'floatingweeds','Re: the grosest films ever','\"Visitor Q\", no question about it.','9c2a0561bfaa6bb19b914639ac68c6c4',0,'','GznkAZKf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4200,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062330942,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: the grosest films ever','I think the reason I don\'t consider Kids to be gross is that although there is promiscuity and unprotected sex, there is nothing \"unnatural\" or masochistic, as for example in Salo. Sex by its nature is not disgusting.','793a1d008e317c7ce28ba55e698e787a',0,'','rxlDiCPM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4201,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062498019,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gony_72','Re: the grosest films ever','Okay, I didn\'t see anybody answer what is without a doubt the grossest movie \"I\" have ever seen: Dead Alive, the unrated version, by Peter Jackson\n\nChris','15d42922e39a323a03a17b5e6cd2a72c',0,'','NWeBpoUh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4202,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1063150387,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: the grosest films ever','Gaz;\nIt\'s not the sex but the ignorant & prejudice ATTITUDES that I find discusting in Kids.. (& in people in general..)\nCan\'t comment on Salo \'cos haven\'t seen it yet but doubt it can be groser than Kids..;-)','fa42a9786a18dbeb07ed51cc52efe852',0,'','wBTL0yaZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4203,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064095873,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Ria','Re: the grosest films ever','Well there are many bad films that are gory and over the top but if we are to mention good films:\n\n[b]Bad taste[/b] – so splattery & gory but brilliant and funny!\n\n[b]Hellraiser[/b] is very gory.\n\n[b]Irreversible[/b] (good but I never want to see it again due to the ‘other’ scene’).','da929f766dcad8b5bab21253cbd3aa7a',0,'','x1vb7Xtq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4204,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066647795,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mir','Re: the grosest films ever','Funny Games by Michael Haneke is quite disturbing.','ed42927975ab04affb4d24a6af0d27b9',0,'','FWkxXYjl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4205,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066806026,1,0,1,1,1,1,'texan_gal','Re: the grosest films ever','Audition \nIn My Skin\nIrreversible\nSalo\nVisitor Q','4e7ae340e9aa35e45ed18bc7a654dbb4',0,'','KpdUnM5F',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4206,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068509322,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ustink','Re: the grosest films ever','Kids is grossly horrifying because of the age and extent of corruption of  kids.  Also because it is really happening.  \nTell Me Something is gross because of blood and body parts.','15261d1b6520abd2849f36dd729b7c1d',0,'','25Dwz0Qf',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4207,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068509563,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: the grosest films ever','I ought to take back what I said about there being no \"unnatural\" sexual activity in Kids, as of course there is a rape at the end of the film. I still wouldn\'t call it gross though - it clearly depends on your personal definition of the word.','d5586fb69e717b817305d41a0dbe8b4d',0,'','JMKniNpV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4208,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068523702,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: the grosest films ever','I just saw Salo in a small movie theatre that had about 10 seats & 3 people besides me and my sister (a couple & a guy who walked out in the middle of the movie). I sat the most part of the film biting my lip, so that I would\'t burst into laughter. In the 2/3 I just wanted to.. ´SPOILER´ ..showel the shit down those throats.. & get on whit it-! I mean to dedicate a whole chapter for eating shit? (or what ever chocolat mousse it really was..) Phhlease, I saw worse at the kindergarden. Is that supposed to b the crose part? \'cos for my knowledge people eat much groser stuff.. like animal flesh for one. And for the sex, there was hardly any. The movie is actually pretty lame compared to the book.. /I would have been happy to help in the \"Grand Finale\" with pokeing those eyes out (along with my own). Can\'t believe it lasted \"only\" 2 hours. Loved the (Art Deco?) furniture & the paintings thow.. +the woman in the black&white ball gown was fab.. she was like straight out of \"The Sound of The Music\" when she told those stories in such a perfect tune with the piano..ah. /Oh, and Kids is much groser than Salo! (after all, isn\'t the Salo stuff just what you would expect from white, middle aged male politicians?).   ','34022c1aa8bba6c606f44d4a878d06c9',0,'','sjuNFgqH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4209,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068551127,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: the grosest films ever','Call me old-fashioned, but I\'d rather eat animal flesh than shit.','a8393eef8c770a1c65ed60a8a116b498',0,'','KutTo9MP',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4210,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068565632,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: the grosest films ever','I should have said \"than eat shit\" - and I think most people would agree with me.','0f4d624945a0a5c737cacad798003713',0,'','69AVHCZo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4211,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068576605,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ustink','Re: the grosest films ever','Have not seen Salo yet, but after seeing \"eating shit\" as a description of this film, I have decided it has been taken off my \nto-see list.  Sounds like a good candidate for Grossest Film, or at least in the top 5...','906aafdce078cb3ed4ac10dbebbb807b',0,'','Dh63YMNu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4212,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068618518,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: the grosest films ever','How do you know Gaz, have you tryed them both? And what\'s the differens anyway, when anything you eat is going to be miracuosly transformed to it! Is not everything we eat really shit in discuise? & Please Pims, don\'t wipe anything off youre list.. I ain\'t so reliable (unless you\'re a really sensitive \"soul\"). ','c03a07f24c59de7fbd7177cb10abbcc7',0,'','CW3honQy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4213,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068636309,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: the grosest films ever','Have you tried them both? I haven\'t and to be honest I don\'t intend to. Is that bad of me?','1d0b204605169fe0bf3b0c7bc5e7fcd3',0,'','2zjXwSqH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4214,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068671686,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: the grosest films ever','Can\'t say I have, at least what would be count initially as shit. But I have met a person who has, and she sayed the shit was good. Haven\'t been tempted, really. But if I\'d have to I\'d probably eat rabbit shit.. the dry kind. ','f45ebb4657ad6ccfe7344773e150ca56',0,'','al9LDEfe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4215,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068674011,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: the grosest films ever','Well, obviously. The natural choice of the connoisseur.','c9e5d4870a3561d7158ad7651758abcf',0,'','ynPj4ZUp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4216,810,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1071271900,1,0,1,1,1,1,'enad','Re: the grosest films ever','Cannibal Holocaust(Deodato)\nOrgan (Fujiwara)\n\nBoth cause a most unpleasant aftertaste.','cd832cd0ee806339bb43a7f7038ca58b',0,'','PUKBnTzs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4217,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044266193,1,0,1,1,1,1,'eldalieva','greatest films ever?','i know this topic must benn out there long time ago but im new here so please tell me some of your favorites, mine (in rank):\n\n1.Dr Strangelove; or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1963)   \n\n2.Brazil (1985)   \n\n3.A Clockwork Orange (1971)  \n\n4.Akira (1987)   \n\n5.The Marat/Sade (1966)   \n\n6.Pulp Fiction (1994)   \n\n7.Metropolis (1926)   \n\n8.Battleship Potemkin (1925)  \n\n9.Akira Kurosawa\'s Dreams (1990)   \n\n10.Prospero\'s Books (1991) \n\nanyone agrees?','b760381c36ce29659f0a8e8e200b53a8',0,'','axt12vbR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4218,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044288335,1,0,1,1,1,1,'aviv71','Re: greatest films ever?','My Top 10 List  \n\n\nCaro Diario (1994)\n\nAprile (1998)\n\nIndochine (1991)\n\nCinema Paradiso (1988)\n\nO Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000)\n\nDead Poet\'s Society (1989)\n\nCrouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2000)\n\nIl Postino (1994)\n\nLife is Beautiful (1998)\n\nThe Harmonists (1997)\n','08ff1befc7d5db44eff4c211e0f845d7',0,'','s2aCGbRj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4219,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044301243,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: greatest films ever?','You can see my top 10 by clicking on my profile.\n\nHowever, bear in mind that this only includes films on this site. My all-time top 10 might include, for instance, Laughton\'s Night of the Hunter.','115afd8e4ea04eb9e3226c196fcfc8c2',0,'','bMaT65RY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4220,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044301311,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: greatest films ever?','Or The Producers, of course. The day that fails to make me laugh is the day I join the Conservative party.','6b63a0120aab61a40fcf2bb051e14514',0,'','TandqZvN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4221,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044320526,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: greatest films ever?','eldalieva; 1,2,7 and 8 on your list would all be in my top 100.\n\nDifficult to separate favourite and greatest. My favourites are in my profile. Greatest? \n\nSansho the Bailiff (Mizoguchi- exquisite beauty and aching poignancy)\nStory of the Late Chrysanthemums (Mizoguchi- a work of extraordinary experimental genius as well as usual mastery of composition, camera movement, lighting etc)\nAndrei Rublev (Tarkovsky)\nSunrise (Murnau)\nLa Regle du Jeu (Renoir)\nMirror (Tarkovsky)\nTokyo Story (Ozu)\nMaborosi (Kore-eda- a hidden gem)\n2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)\n\nSeven Samurai, Vertigo, Citizen Kane, Battleship Potemkin of course have fair claims for inclusion. In international polls, Citizen Kane, La Regle du Jeu and Vertigo have consistently been at or near the top in recent years.\n\nThe Producers and the Tories? well, we seem to agree on one of the two, Gaz.','dfc2d2627f4db770309ff2da753f9300',0,'','V4jo5tcD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4222,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044340186,1,0,1,1,1,1,'eldalieva','Re: greatest films ever?','my god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1\nstalker rules, i just saw it, amazing god , i know is a drastic change but this movie goes to the number one spot on my list\n\n\ni want to be a stalker!!!!!!!!!','5ecaa0aaa44a1ebe3845fb222131dcd0',0,'','1d64RJFY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4223,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044370866,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: greatest films ever?','I wonder which one...\n\nI admit the Producers is an acquired taste.','5128edcae36be00f199cbf338c9431b4',0,'','jNcVf7zh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4224,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044379060,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: greatest films ever?','Van Gogh (Pialat) \nIn a Year of 13 Moons (Fassbinder) \nWhere is the Friend\'s Home? (Kiarostami) \nThe Straight Story (Lynch) \nThe Thin Red Line (Malick) \nThe Band Wagon (Minnelli) \nKiller of Sheep (Burnett) \nJulien Bryan’s footage of Russia\nKen Jacobs\' film/projector performances','f7a05b7511cef8f2a25eff75b232beb0',0,'','5FkmvRwe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4225,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044379485,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: greatest films ever?','...and maybe, maybe, Walter Hill\'s The Warriors','7af29106e0851d24ac2a1c13152f0a04',0,'','WqTik2Vu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4226,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044380773,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: greatest films ever?','someone British: please explain Lindsay Anderson to me... I simply don\'t get it. I saw If & Oh! Lucky Man both on 35mm in a big theatrical setting and wasn\'t impressed at all... also, both films look so boring and televisual.','550980a8a17c35119c37a3674d23fd84',0,'','YkKL2nAQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4227,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044386025,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: greatest films ever?','Gaz, well lets say i\'m more likely to come to like The Producers (i\'ve tried 3 times, am no nearer doing so) than vote Tory.\n\nSomegreatmovies; good to see The Band Wagon in your list. It really is a magnificent musical. I\'m not a big Anderson fan either, though at least If made some interesting satirical observations on the British \"public\" (i.e private!) school system- its main role seemingly to prepare, or beat into submission, model pillars of the imperialist establishment.','03b3f265cc9561fda999e52f18bad648',0,'','0ny5waPb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4228,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044471435,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: greatest films ever?','I hated The Producers first time I saw it (typical self-righteous adolescent; I think it was the anti-German sentiment which offended me). It\'s the film about which my opinion has changed most. I\'m not a great Mel Brooks fan, but there\'s something I can\'t help loving about that film. And nobody can deny it\'s quotable: \"I\'m wearing a cardboard belt!\"\n\nAs for Lindsay Anderson, I don\'t _think_ he\'s an exclusively British phenomenon. I\'m sure there are as many US lovers of his work than UK (but the population difference makes it so).\n\nO Lucky Man is a bit of a problem film - I think it\'s probably a masterpiece but then it could be mediocre. Like Tarkovsky\'s Mirror, it\'s a film which rewards (or at least bears) repeated viewing.\n\nIf.... is essentially about revolution and is probably best appreciated by the repressed, British youths it depicts so accurately. I\'m a bit stuck for things to say about it really, as I haven\'t seen it for a while. After seeing it I could talk about it for hours. What one person sees as dull and televisual another sees as gritty and realistic.\n\nI won\'t try to convert people to Lindsay Anderson, but I certainly wouldn\'t hesitate to class him as one of the greatest directors.','51091d9a3236895b8f9461cfefcdb762',0,'','7FijLMPz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4229,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044609741,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: greatest films ever?','Alphabetical order, because for any film buff to list in order of fav films is like picking your favorite child. Favorite and \"greatest\" are indeed different My fav foreign flicks:\n\nL\'Avventura (Antonioni)\nJules and Jim (Truffaut)\nContempt (Godard)\nThe Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)\nPickpocket & A Man Escaped (Bresson)\nThe Third Man (Reed) - It\'s British\nAmelie (Jeunet)\nSpirited Away (Miyazaki) - Greatest animated film ever\nRashomon (Kurosawa)\nPersona (Bergman)\n','2e50a6c4cfe2f60decce7e7b647a1061',0,'','wkyb0BuA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4230,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045361403,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: greatest films ever?','Well the greatest is obviously Citizen Kane.  The rest of my top ten would be unfortunately dominated by American movies though.\n1. Kane\n2. The Godfather\n3. All Quiet on the Western Front\n4. 2001\n5. Lawrence of Arabia\n6. Star Wars\n7. 8 1/2\n8. Pulp Fiction\n9. Apocalypse Now\n10. Singin in the Rain','eade5348fbce77f67da30cfbe0ff8e0d',0,'','PcXqg0TY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4231,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045621269,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dbfilmmaker','Re: greatest films ever?','The Sound of Music\nThe Godfather\nA Clockwork Orange\nPulp Fiction\nApocalypse Now\nSingin\' in the Rain\nBarry Lyndon\nE.T. - the Extra-terrestrial\nGoodFellas\nCitizen Kane','506097bb84f0aeb6b81842a32566c0b4',0,'','EoJpzQkT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4232,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055527622,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: greatest films ever?','8-1/2 - Fellini\nDr. Strangelove - Kubrick\nThe Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner - Tony Richardson\nCircle of Deceit (Die Falschung) - Volker Schloendorff\nBattleship Potemkin - Eisenstein\n2001 A Space Odyssey - Kubrick\nClose Encounters of the Third Kind - Spielberg\nSunset Boulevard - Billy Wilder\nDay for Night - Truffaut\nM - Fritz Lang\nNosferatu - Murnau (Herzog\'s was pretty good too)\nThe Thing from Another World - Nyby/Hawks (great b/w 50s cold war sci fi)\n','2732c0ebba83313c498eabc573023182',0,'','tYm9beT0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4233,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055527810,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: greatest films ever?','It\'s great to see The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner mentioned. Other great films of the working-class, kitchen-sink genre are Karel Reisz\'s \"Saturday Night and Sunday Morning\" and \"This Sporting Life\" by Reisz\'s protege Lindsay Anderson, a director I seem never to tire of mentioning.','5e41cc4b413b902ccdcf06cefb8dd497',0,'','eLFrS162',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4234,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055534868,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: greatest films ever?','Laurence Harvey was great in this sporting life.  And don\'t forget Darling and A Taste of Honey....great period in Brit filmmaking.  And a little earlier, Two-Way Stretch and The Ladykillers, Waltz of the Toreadors...any early Peter Sellers flick.','8d86cb052578aa16eb4c2c0561e67d94',0,'','2Rrph0A9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4235,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055550319,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: greatest films ever?','I didn\'t think Laurence Harvey was in This Sporting Life, though he was in Darling and the groundbreaking Room at the Top. Richard Harris and the incredible Rachel Roberts were the two big stars of This Sporting Life.\n\nAs for early Peter Sellers films, I think it\'s wonderful to see him acting before he became such a huge bankable star. The ensemble acting in The Ladykillers with Katie Johnson, Cecil Parker, Herbert Lom, Danny Green, Sellers and of course Alec Guinness is a true delight to watch.','3f2c0aa7936e156317faa3ec3639d23b',0,'','Vx1DwZmz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4236,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055823120,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: greatest films ever?','The Godfather + The Godfather Part II(Coppola)\nSeven Samurai(Kurosawa)\nCitizen Kane(Welles)\nJules et Jim(Truffaut)\n8 1/2(Fellini)\nBattleship Potmkin(Eisenstein)\nApocalypse Now(Coppola)\nBlade Runner(Scott)\nSchindler\'s List(Spielberg)\nStar Wars trilogy(Lucas, Kershner, Maquand)','97d328cd8e31336789bdae751a447815',0,'','jorqNgYp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4237,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055863330,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: greatest films ever?','You\'re right, Gaz...I was thinking of Room at the Top.','d38acaaaf6e196fb1c9cd7f6ac70642c',0,'','GycUT8zR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4238,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058068155,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: greatest films ever?','The most impressive films I\'ve seen are:\n\nThe Passion of Joan of Arc\nLast Laugh\nRules of the Game\nChildren of Paradise\nTokyo Story\nSansho the Bailiff\n\n ','760da012bceb61848733df459e9c9820',0,'','ZJHalr42',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4239,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058780620,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mheumann','Re: greatest films ever?','Klimov\'s \"Come and See\"--if you haven\'t seen it, then you\'ve missed the greatest war film ever made (and, in my mind, one of the top two or three films ever).','30ec59736699629e399c481a92db6acf',0,'','Taw2i9V8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4240,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058828566,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Knoxville','Re: greatest films ever?','In no particular order, here is my top 10-\nM.A.S.H','6fcb269c2d4a91eec9ab999afd6f68b9',0,'','qmKSz5lD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4241,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058828733,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Knoxville','Re: greatest films ever?','In no particular order here is my top 10-\nM.A.S.H\nHellraiser\nThe Fourth Man\nGoodfellas\nNikita\nThe Big Blue\nGo\nHannibal\nKlute\nThe Shining','606e1e53d919be08c97c620c78194060',0,'','SXjheMBY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4242,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059663216,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: greatest films ever?','gooood1 reading your lists just makes me aware of the fact that there are a million flicks out there i haven\'t watched yet.  but i have watched more foreign films than a regular person, and i have a top ten list, but it\'s always changing depending on what i just recently watched, and films not in this website can\'t be added, so i\'m adding to the list as my favorite, \"Requiem for a Dream\" and \"Fight Club\" and I\'d like to add--oh, so shoot me, Moulin Rouge for sheer entertainment, and \"Pillow Book.\"  ','aec5a30bea9a0260b98abe0c5be89a34',0,'','ShG84uRs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4243,811,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059666407,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa','Re: greatest films ever?','1. Stand By Me\n2. Last Picture Show\n3. 400 Blows (why hasn\'t this shown up here already?)\n4. American Graffiti\n5. Nostradamus Kid\n6. Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead\n7. Stolen Children\n8. Ratcatcher\n9. Six-String Samurai\n10. Motorama','a7c47d327247d584ab0e767bdeb3a931',0,'','9egGJp5Q',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4244,812,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044345894,1,0,1,1,1,1,'eldalieva','the top 20  influencial films ever','not the greatest, not your favorites, the most influential , give me 20 if you can (include obvious ones like citizen kane, metropolis, battleship, etc, no nation matters','3685c640494e3b811233cdd88c2eb3f2',0,'','fMsTn08Q',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4245,812,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044371079,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: the top 20  influencial films ever','Lumiere shorts (1895)\nBirth of a Nation (Griffith, 1915)\nThe Cabinet of Dr Caligari (Wiene, 1920. Though in some ways it was also a dead end.)\nBattleship Potemkin (Eisenstein, 1925)\nMetropolis (Lang, 1927)\nUn Chien Andalou (Bunuel, 1928)\nSnow White and the Seven Dwarfs (Disney, 1937)\nLa Regle du Jeu (Renoir, 1939)\nCitizen Kane (Welles, 1941)\nRome Open City (Rossellini, 1945)\nBicycle Thieves (De Sica, 1948)\nRashomon (Kurosawa, 1950)\nThe Seventh Seal (Bergman, 1956)\nVertigo (Hitchcock, 1958)\nBreathless (Godard, 1959)\nPsycho (Hitchcock, 1960)\n8 1/2 (Fellini, 1963)\nThe Godfather (Coppola, 1972)\nTaxi Driver (Scorsese, 1976)\nStar Wars (Lucas, 1977)\nThe Terminator (Cameron, 1984)\nPulp Fiction (Tarantino, 1994) \n\nSorry, a quickly drawn up 22 (was more, but i cut out some.) Some made immmediate impact, others grew over time. Heaven\'s Gate was inadvertently influential. Goodfellas, Close Up, Toy Story, Hiroshima mon Amour, L\'Avventura, Tokyo Story, The Passion of Joan of Arc, Les 400 Coups, L\'Atalante, Voyage to Italy also influential. Opinions of Cahiers du Cinema critics in the 50\'s.','4732b582856284f285c62009857af8f2',0,'','r38tNMDa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4246,812,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044377378,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: the top 20  influencial films ever','That doesn\'t look too bad.  One might object to a few things though.  First, no documentary appears on the list, unless you count the Lumiere shorts.  Nanook of the North, maybe.  I\'ll admit, my knowledge of non-fiction cinema is pretty limited.  \n\nSecond, there isn\'t any straight comedy here.  (I don\'t think the Renoir counts.  I suppose one could also make a case that Un Chien Andalou is a comedy.  Perhaps, but I\'m not so sure that it\'s been influential AS a comedy.)  However, I\'m not so sure what comedy to put up here.  Any suggestions?  Or do we not want one at all?  A Chaplin might seem an obvious choice, although I\'m not so sure how influential he\'s been.\n\nThird, there isn\'t much genre work here:  no western, no musical, no gangster film, no film noir, etc.  I think that of the genres, the western may be important enough to have a representative here.  (Of course, this may all depend on how important you think that American cinema is to the cinema in general.)  Anyway, I suppose it ought to be Stagecoach or The Searchers, right?  (Does anyone think we need a musical here?)  \n\nFourth, I\'m not so sure that The Terminator and Pulp Fiction belong here.  They\'ve certainly been influential, but they simply seem too recent to have been THAT influential.  \n\nAnd finally, a few films that haven\'t been mentioned yet:\nMelies shorts (A Voyage to the Moon?)\nThe Great Train Robbery\nThe Night of the Living Dead\n\n(I\'m having some trouble coming up with more for that little list.  But this will be in the back of my mind the rest of the day, and so maybe I\'ll come up with some other things.)','1ae0462665e36351befdb4ddff20123a',0,'','vtaJR25y',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4247,812,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044377553,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: the top 20  influencial films ever','Oh yeah, I suppose someone might want a representative of the avant-garde cinema other than Un Chien Andalou.  Of course, one might object that avant-garde cinema hasn\'t exerted a great deal of influence on the cinema at large.  ','c238d548aa36842467ca1f675d0961f7',0,'','AEym30vR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4248,812,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044609987,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: the top 20  influencial films ever','Purely influtential, I agree with most of the list, though don\'t forget the early special effects pioneer Melies and over 500! of Griffith\'s Biograph shorts in which he essentially defined every aspect for years to come of film grammar and language. Italy\'s Quo Vadis, Jolson\'s \"The Jazz Singer\" just for being the first talkie. \"The Godfather\" of course, and \"Pulp Fiction\" was the most influential film of the 90\'s.','656645b44dd0ee8c3359768d402d34a8',0,'','fE9wWgU8',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4249,812,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045361264,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: the top 20  influencial films ever','This is always an interesting topic.  As always a certain degree of opinion can determine what is influential.  For example, Birth of a Nation might be better known, but is it as influential as Intolerance in the long run?\n1. Citizen Kane\n2. Battleship Potemkin\n3. Breathless\n4. Psycho\n5. Forty Second Street\n6. The Apu Trilogy\n7. Double Indemnity \n8. Seventh Seal\n9. Rashomon\n10. 8 1/2\n11. Star Wars\n12. The General\n13. 2001\n14. City Lights\n15. Intolerance\n16. Nanook of the North\n17. Napoleon \n18. Passion of Joan of Arc\n19. The Bicycle Thief\n20. The Searchers\nThese are just a running list, off the top of my head, so don\'t castrate me because of an omition.','4e5a4f958033a145aa39f039dbc3421c',0,'','Dlazk8GB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4250,812,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045621064,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dbfilmmaker','Re: the top 20  influencial films ever','Psycho\nSnow White and the Seven Dwarves\nThe Jazz Singer\nThe Godfather\nA Clockwork Orange\n2001: A Space Odyssey\nThe Gold Rush\nSeven Samurai\nTaxi Driver\nBirth of a Nation\nSingin\' in the Rain\nCitizen Kane\nBrazil\nOn the Waterfront\nTreasure of the Sierra Madre\nThe Godfather, Part II\nCabaret\n8 1/2\nThe Exorcist\nSome Like it Hot','d1e48e1a6d2102c49b8d0ba2ac25db8c',0,'','WZ0mcCbw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4251,812,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045824267,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: the top 20  influencial films ever','Purely influential films are (in my opinion)\n\nBirth of A Nation (like it or not, Griffith was a genius)\nCitizen Kane (inspired more filmmakers than any other film)\nA Bout De Souffle\nStagecoach (set the principles of every modern western)\n2001: A Space Oddyssey\nBattleship Potemkin (still the greatest editing ever)\nPsycho\nCity Lights (any Chaplin film really)\nLa Dolce Vita\nJaws (changed movies forever by being the 1st blockbuster)\nTaxi Driver\nSeven Samurai (Coppola and Lucas idolized Kurosawa)\nThe Seventh Seal\nFaces (Cassavetes is the godhead of independent film)\nThe Apartment (wait...a film can be funny and sad?!??)\nLa Regle De Jeu \nThe Godfather\nBringing up Baby (the granddaddy of screwball comedies)\nThe 400 Blows\nThe General (Keaton was the greatest)\nMetropolis (1926)\nThe Maltese Falcon (the first detective noir)\nAnnie Hall\nUn Chien Andalou\nTrouble in Paradise (the father of sophistication in movies\nwas Lubitsch.)','d945a2f73015db239744e521b890ecc9',0,'','pXBjF6Ex',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4252,813,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044647736,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','best of 2002','1. The Visitation (Dorsky) \n2. Time Out, Femme Fatale \n3. Late Marriage, Punch Drunk Love, The Super 8 films of Jose Rodriguez, Daylight Moon (Klahr), 25th Hour, Adaptation, About Schmidt, Believer, Minority Report, Mother (Luther Price), Regarding Penelope\'s Wake, Town is Quiet \n4. Gangs of New York, Catch Me if You Can, Sleepy Time Gal, Afghanistan Year 1380, Yes? Ja? Oui? \n5. Solaris, Sunshine State, Secretary, Panic Room, R\'Xmas, Bloodwork, Biggie and Tupac \n6. Decasia, Barbershop, Far From Heaven, Hybrid, Monday Morning, Lovely & Amazing \n7. Moonlight Mile, Unfaithfull, Fast Runner, Full Frontal \n8. Chicago  \n\n...any other opinions???','5c4878763813d2eda58c9db8661ab726',0,'','gLfWsHhG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4253,813,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1044841558,1,0,1,1,1,1,'christine','Re: best of 2002','Bear in mind we in Britain didn\'t get About Schmidt or Catch Me if You Can till 2003, and haven\'t got Adaptation yet..sigh\n\nMy best ones I saw at the flicks last year were Hable Con Ella, The Warrior, Abril Despdacedo, Devils Backbone, Dog Soldiers, 28 Days Later, The Quiet American, All or Nothing, Sweet Sixteen, Road To Perdition\n\n...and so far this year it\'s been great stuff with the Pianist, City of God and Spider.','17568f994f985bc90bf1bb8eadee95db',0,'','QxiCV0DJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4254,813,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045378325,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bmxsuperhero','Re: best of 2002','I go by the year release date that the Internet Movie Database offers, so by those rules, I haven\'t seen many films of \'02, especially foreign releases that have yet to make it to the US.  According to the IMDb, both Time Out and Late Marriage qualify for 2001.  Here\'s my list, temporary, of decent films from 2002.\n\n24 Hour Party People (Michael Winterbottom), 8 Femmes [8 Women] (François Ozon), Dahmer (David Jacobson), The Good Girl (Miguel Arteta), Igby Goes Down (Burr Steers), The Laramie Project (Moisés Kaufman), Manito (Eric Eason), Notorious C.H.O. (Lorene Machado), Panic Room (David Fincher), Personal Velocity: Three Portraits (Rebecca Miller), Spider (David Cronenberg).\n\nHonourable mentions:\nAdaptation (Spike Jonze), Barbershop (Tim Story), The Rules of Attraction (Roger Avary), Tadpole (Gary Winick), Unfaithful (Adrian Lyne).','461c31f88dfc70ae9619204b49984f56',0,'','ZeSogv8D',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4255,813,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045825042,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: best of 2002','Best films of 2002 (and there were a lot)\n\nIn Praise of Love\nY Tu Mama Tambien\nFar From Heaven\nSpirited Away\nAdaptation\nChicago\nAbout Schmidt\nLOTR: Two Towers\nTalk to Her\nThe Pianist\nThe Quiet American\nPunch Drunk Love\nThe Fast Runner\nFemme Fatale\n24 Hour Party People\n','527bf50e325ca03dd862121b9ac855f3',0,'','5Svy9Z3d',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4256,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045361963,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','top ten directors','Here\'s one I don\'t think I have seen yet.  An interesting topic that has probably rattled through everyone\'s mind at least once.  So I\'ll get the ball rolling, and feel free to voice your displeasure.\n1. Stanley Kubrick\n2. Martin Scorsese\n3. David Lean\n4. Elia Kazan\n5. Ingmar Bergman\n6. Luis Bunuel\n7. Jean Luc Godard\n8. Federico Fellini\n9. Woody Allen\n10. Buster Keaton\n\nI also realize that Hitchcock, Renoir, Kurosawa, Ford, Hawks, Ray, and many others aren\'t on here, but I can only fit ten.','0aba031de3fac20ca7a233d78ae480f9',0,'','TpMnNoZ3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4257,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045410664,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: top ten directors','Perhaps not the _greatest_ directors ever, but the ones that mean the most to me:\n\n1. Louis Malle\n2. Lindsay Anderson\n3. Francois Truffaut\n4. Andrei Tarkovsky\n5. Ingmar Bergman\n6. Werner Herzog\n7. Krzysztof Kieslowski\n8. Stanley Kubrick\n9. Roman Polanski\n10. Bill Forsyth\n\nOthers which coulda been contenders:\nRainer Werner Fassbinder\nJean Vigo\nNic Roeg\nand more.','2db901c0cee405636e600cf123886604',0,'','aTHVRwS0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4258,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045445958,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: top ten directors','John Ford\nRW Fassbinder\nAbbas Kiarostami\nKen Jacobs\nDavid Lynch\nStan Brakhage\nAlfred Hitchcock\nJean Renoir\n\nand... hmm... let\'s put John Ford two more times\n\nlists are so silly... but I love them... and they\'re so useful','a257c70ae4609e6ab13d349729b94722',0,'','0LdrG8cC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4259,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045532257,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: top ten directors','jean renoir,robert bresson,carl t dreyer,andrei tarkovsky,sergei parajanov,jean luc godard,jean vigo,aleksandr sokurov,yasujiro ozu,kenji mizoguchi\nand heaps more!','58e88a6875fc67c6b72a380f09333bd6',0,'','W8YE7zyH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4260,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045620649,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dbfilmmaker','Re: top ten directors','Stanley Kubrick\nAlfred Hitchcock\nAkira Kurosawa\nWoody Allen\nSteven Spielberg\nBilly Wilder\nFrank Capra\nFrancis Ford Coppola\nMilos Forman\nMartin Scorsese\n','91d7bf20da5494c3fde0fc2f55343e70',0,'','3tv4S5EL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4261,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045814208,1,0,1,1,1,1,'itsreal07','Re: top ten directors','top 10 best as goes for me...\n\n1.jean-luc godard\n2. francois traffaut\n3. andrei tarkovsky\n4. akira kurosawa\n5. ingmar bergman\n6. mike leigh\n7. ken loach \n8. takeshi kitano\n9. takashi miike\n10. alfred hitchcock\nlist just goes on...','f360548583909a9759c066d08119cb09',0,'','DaQidlxN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4262,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045823043,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: top ten directors','You can\'t ask a film lover this, because there are the directors one knows are \"the greats\", and then there are ones who may inspire you and personally affect you, but everyone else may hate them. So I kept my list all-American baby! \n\nOrson Welles\nAlfred Hitchcock\nBuster Keaton\nHoward Hawks\nJohn Ford\nCharlie Chaplin\nStanley Kubrick\nBilly Wilder\nFritz Lang (All his American films are masterpieces)\nWoody Allen','1921d32d35146fab023f4ce01cb932a0',0,'','Kj4kxDn3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4263,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045881214,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: top ten directors','1.Mizoguchi\n2.Renoir\n3.Tarkovsky\n4.Hitchcock\n\nalso; \nKubrick\nOphuls\nEisenstein\nDreyer\nRohmer\nKiarostami\n\nWhy is Mizoguchi still awaiting due recognition in English-speaking countries? Might as well ignore Rembrandt or Shakespeare.','24a083e106b699f94faacb634cfa1ca5',0,'','GwZdl80c',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4264,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045934484,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Re: top ten directors','well even though i have heard most of those names i could not see most of them :( but from my \"tiny\" archive i may add:\nDarren Arronofsky (pi,requiem for a dream)\nSteven Speilberg (saving private ryan, schindler\'s list)\"but he need to ad some independant spirits to his giid films\"\nStanley Kubrick\n','8b8c97d9e5c539be6a91efb3b44d0d07',0,'','DTXH10di',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4265,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046050369,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: top ten directors','Mizoguchi is a master no mistake,and yes he should be recognised more,his films are elegant & beautiful,once seen never forgotten.His place is safe in cinematic history,it\'s just the general film going /loving public who should seek him out!who knows? maybe they might learn something about truly great cinema.','ba507c64063f874e1fe657642f58a133',0,'','yAmzfY9b',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4266,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046160652,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Arletty','Re: top ten directors','Aki Kaurismaki\nAkira Kurosawa\nBernardo Bertolucci\nFritz Lang\nIngmar Bergman\nJim Jarmusch\nLuchino Visconti\nPeter Weir\nWernr Maria Fassbinder\nWim Wenders\n','3a8d5211f40e0ae177b97522fd3cf8f5',0,'','ACMVQjGH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4267,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048447505,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: top ten directors','1. Stanley Kubrick\n2. Sergei Eisenstein\n3. Akira Kurosawa\n4. Francois Truffaut\n5. David Lean\n6. Orson Welles\n7. Sergio Leone\n8. Martin Scorsese\n9. Steven Spielberg\n10. Francis Ford Coppola','b33a585a19013a7d5c60c62bc62113d4',0,'','enhtBk31',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4268,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052989568,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: top ten directors','Favorites and who I think is \"officially\" the best ever is different for me. My personal favs:\n\nOrson Welles\nJean Renoir\nMax Ophuls (can\'t believe you guys forgot him!)\nKenji Mizoguchi\nRobert Bresson\nFrederico Fellini\nJean-Luc Godard\nAkira Kurosawa\nFrancois Truffaut\nAlfred Hitchcock\nHoward Hawks','97dd8d919a8ec50cdb55f18c63cf4afd',0,'','5B8QAEKl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4269,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053114067,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: top ten directors','I didn\'t forget Ophuls! Cinema\'s great romantic, master of the gliding camera and decor in gorgeous, often poignant period dramas. Letter from an Unknown Woman, Madame de, Lola Montes, Liebelei, Le Plaisir are all essential. ','19770f32c54fc1a1f84470b8e2e18111',0,'','VyGP97sE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4270,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054704583,1,0,1,1,1,1,'chelentano','Re: top ten directors','Eisenstein\nFellini\nPasolini\nAntonioni\nTarkovsky\nChaplin\nKubrick\nSpielberg\n','4020dea353d0645980d065ff6c69d14d',0,'','ZilusvRM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4271,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054904197,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: top ten directors','I\'m going to change my list.\n1. Hawks & Brakhage & Lumiere\n4. Kiarostami\n5. Ken Jacobs & Fassbinder\n7. Sembene & Sam Fuller\n9. Claire Denis & Vertov','861a3bf803f6a5fbca21c6ab50bc9463',0,'','qF0g4zJR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4272,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054927948,1,0,1,1,1,1,'chelentano','Re: top ten directors','Eisenstein\nFellini\nPasolini\nAntonioni\nTarkovsky\nChaplin\nKubrick\nSpielberg\nBunuel','15587fc151fe22afae32733cebdea675',0,'','nxSY7h28',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4273,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058000287,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tijbc78','Re: top ten directors','Every person have different taste,so saying the top ten directors listed for everyone they trutly are there is a big difference so my top ten are:Bunuel,Kubrick,Ford Coppola,Emilio Fernandez,Kazzan,Allen,Spielberg,Fellini,Ang Lee and Ridley Scott.','e614b7b06204270da858ed348b510dde',0,'','NSboXgQl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4274,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058038601,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: top ten directors','1. Jean Renoir\n2. Luis Bunuel\n3. Kenji Mizoguchi\n4. Orson Welles\n   Akira Kurosawa\n6. Fritz Lang\n   Alfred Hitchcock\n8. Ingmar Bergman\n9. Stanley Kubrick\n10.(tie)John Ford and Alain Resnais\n\nRunners Up(no order): Godard, Ozu, Ophuls, Antonioni, Tarkovski, Herzog, Kiarostami, Hou, Murmau, Bresson.','de9786d097cdb8305e446ac2b40efde2',0,'','nwzBgb97',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4275,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058038601,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: top ten directors','1. Jean Renoir\n2. Luis Bunuel\n3. Kenji Mizoguchi\n4. Orson Welles\n   Akira Kurosawa\n6. Fritz Lang\n   Alfred Hitchcock\n8. Ingmar Bergman\n9. Stanley Kubrick\n10.(tie)John Ford and Alain Resnais\n\nRunners Up(no order): Godard, Ozu, Ophuls, Antonioni, Tarkovski, Herzog, Kiarostami, Hou, Murmau, Bresson.','de9786d097cdb8305e446ac2b40efde2',0,'','Dpj0W4yS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4276,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058066354,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: top ten directors','For me, it\'s far more challenging to try and pick the Greatest Directors in terms of importance and influence.\n\nThis is my semi-educated guess:\n\n1) D.W. Griffith \n2) Sergei Eisenstein (Over Pudovkin, Vertov or Kuleshov.)\n3) Robert Flaherty (Over Leni Riefenstahl)\n4) Luis Buñuel\n5) Jean Renoir\n6) Fritz Lang (Over F.W. Murnau)\n7) Roberto Rossellini (Over Vittorio De Sica)\n8) Akira Kurosawa\n9) Jean-Luc Godard\n10) John Cassavetes\n\nThis was incredibly difficult, and my list is not very good. It more or less embodies people who were at the forefront of some of film\'s most important movements. The one that I\'m least happy with is Jean Renoir, because I\'m not convinced he\'s the embodiment of the Golden Age of French cinema. I chose him because he had an incredible influence on cinema around the world, and still does today. I wanted to include John Ford, but in the end, I decided he was more of a continuation of Griffith, whereas Cassavetes is the father of independent American filmmaking. \n\nI considered including Hou Hsiao-Hsien, but my knowledge of \"Chinese\" cinema before the 80\'s is terrible, and I\'m sure there\'s someone more influential or important. I also haven\'t included anyone from Indian cinema, which is pretty unforgivable. But there you have it!\n','2e5eb6237ffac5ae668fc2fc1da288be',0,'','GdQw7PNT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4277,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058067179,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: top ten directors','Now for my favourites.\n\n1) Yasujiro Ozu\n2) Eric Rohmer\n3) Preston Sturges\n4) Woody Allen\n5) Ingmar Bergman\n6) Kenji Mizoguchi\n7) Shohei Imamura\n8) Buster Keaton\n9) Jean Renoir\n10) Rainer Werner Fassbinder','ff2f4517c6e081afb7c73b59a0f43fc9',0,'','MRQhN5GC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4278,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058166040,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: top ten directors','I like your lists of Greatest Directors and Favourite ones. I did find your inclusion of Mr. Allen jarring. Given your otherwise impeccable taste and obvious familiarity with cinema history, I am especially curious. I have seen every film he\'s released since 1969(I was 8) at the theatre and used to be an admirer. Nowadays I find his attempts to copy Fellini, Bergman and Sturges risible. A few of his films look pretty thanks to cinematographers like Carlo Ponti. Other than that it\'s just funny lines. I find that the films of his I used to love have not aged well. What is at about his films you enjoy so much?','9e68b34e95c0728f658ffedd0982b186',0,'','u7DpXUmx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4279,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058231946,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: top ten directors','As much as I like Woody Allen, he only ever made two really great films, Annie Hall and Manhattan. \n\nAnnie Hall is one of my favourite films, ever. It\'s definitely one of the most mature, personal films ever made. Allen is able to take all his introspective, obsessive analysis, and all of his neurotic behaviour, and turn it into a wonderfully entertaining film, free from the bitterness that often crept into his work. This is his most idealistic film. It\'s not only funny, but incredibly poignant. Annie Hall is as meaningful as anything I\'ve seen about relationships. \n\nManhattan is far darker and more pessimistic, and has that feeling of bitterness (or dissatisfaction) that I was talking about before, but it remains deeply funny and just as touching, in its own way, as Annie Hall. It looks beautiful, as well. A valentine to the city he loves, as some people have put it.\n\nOther than that, I respect Woody Allen as a writer. Every now and again, he produces a brilliant screenplay -- Broadway Danny Rose or Bullets Over Broadway being two of my favourites. I wouldn\'t want anyone other than Allen directing those screenplays, like Sturges, the camera is always where it should be, and always captures the performance. I saw a documentary recently where he was talking about his films, and he was incredibly self-critical of himself, and the \"anxiety of influence\", painting himself as a hack Bob Hope rather than any of the European directors he\'s tried to emulate. He\'s pretty frank about the hit and miss nature of his films, and didn\'t try to excuse that as the result of making a film per year, he was simply honest about it. \n\nLike most of my favourite directors, he\'s not eclectic, his films constantly deal with the same themes, but within that oeuvre he\'s made some really good films about modern relationships. Even if he does make the occassional one that furthers his bad reputation as being neurotic and annoying. The only thing I\'ll say for him as a director is that he does a better job than anyone else of incorporating his interests into his films, whether it\'s his great love for Manhattan, or literature, film, art, architecture, jazz, even the Knicks. He really is one of America\'s great auteurs.\n\n\n\n\n','515b605688f9c7f14d07cef9c6d4874e',0,'','XdE7auQr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4280,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058425405,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: top ten directors','I also respect Allen the writer, but as a filmmaker he is primarily a \"borrower\". Allen seems to think verbally more than visually. I enjoy most of his films but no longer consider any of his films to be great cinema. As a teenager I loved \"Annie Hall\". Nowadays I find the film graceful and often funny, but CLEARLY inferior to Chaplin\'s, Keaton\'s, Tati\'s and Sturges\' comedies, as well as  Kubrick\'s Dr. Strangelove, to name a few. In \"Manhattan\", he takes such care in ensuring that no black or latino enters the frame that I wondered about his views on race issues. His Manhattan never existed. At least Jeunet has the excuse that the Paris in Amelie did, many years ago.     ','c5a6eb4ea537ab39c3c4cd0663bb2ca2',0,'','TY9jb1lc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4281,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058448275,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: top ten directors','I wouldn\'t put Woody in Chaplin, Keaton or Sturges\' league, either (I have difficulty with Tati, because of his lack of narrative). Werner Herzog once said that Keaton wasn\'t so much a filmmaker as he was an athlete, and thus, I\'d say he\'s the most ingenious of the list. Still, I admire that Woody moved from knockoffs in the Marx Bros/Bob Hope vein to a more complex and personal style of filmmaking. Not that I have anything against Marx Bros films, I love them, but Woody\'s somewhat autobiographical, soul-searching films have the mark of a real auteur (to me). \n\nI\'m sure Woody would be the first person to admit that he\'s a borrower, not only only from cinematic influences, but literary ones, too (most notably Chekhov), but I think there\'s a substance and depth to his best films, a \"measure of sophistication and personal complexity\" (All Movie Guide) that make him stand out. What\'s ironic, perhaps, is that the films he\'s most proud of (and there\'s very few, incidently) are amongst my least favourite -- notably Stardust Memories and Husbands and Wives. When you hear him talk about those films, and what he wanted to achieve, they sound great, but he doesn\'t seem to be able to realise those meditations on screen, and the reason for that may be as you\'ve stated: that his visual scope is extremely limited. I would much rather watch him tell stories in Radio Days than try to be half a Fellini, and he does much better pastiches of his favourites, anyway, as is the case with the mordantly witty Love and Death. \n\nCasting his aspirations aside, when he has a great story to tell, his camera does an excellent job of telling that story. As a director, in terms of shooting to tell the story, he\'s brilliant. It would appear that he\'s a great director of actors, at the least he\'s had some great working relationships with some talented people, and he\'s had some fantastic people crew for him (be it Gordon Willis on cinematography or Santo Loquasto on production design). To be able to write, direct and more often than not, act, is an impressive accomplishment, and has done a lot for lowbudget filmmaking, both independently and within studios. I\'m happy to be amongst his fan base.\n\nIf I were to compare Woody Allen to anyone on your list it would be Sturges. While Sturges may have been more brilliant than Allen, they were both able to make thematics, character relationships and great storytelling the focal point of their comedy. \n\nI never noticed the lack of blacks and latinos in Manhattan. I guess it\'s \"his\" Manhattan, come to think of it, I can\'t think of many characters in his films who aren\'t Jewish or Italian, so I guess he writes about what he knows best. ','25708b89233dd7a644d0f84e8fd48355',0,'','fCPmJBS6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4282,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058632547,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: top ten directors','Excellent point about Allen borrowing from literature as much as cinema, and about the autobiographical aspect of his movies. He manages to incorporate his comic persona into his narratives, in fact, his heroes remain essentially standup personalities. Whatever I get from Allen (not in the often accomplished screenplays) seems to stem from his excellent choice of cinematographers and other crew.\nI enjoy watching b&w CinemaScope shots of NYC landmarks to the strains of Gershwin in MANHATTAN. But like you say, this is \"his\" Manhattan, certainly not mine. Just like his obsessive need seduce a much younger(usually),w.a.s.p.(almost always)woman is \"his\" preoccupation, not mine. ','bb15987b8f9347fb897d1ec4b966a5f9',0,'','xZPFUC5N',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4283,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058734351,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ashfaque','Re: top ten directors','I feel so sorry not to see World\'s 1 of the master film makers, \"SATYAJIT RAY\" is no where in anyones list. Come on, grow up guys. You should pay respect to those who truly deserve that.Any way my top 10 director\'s are :\n1.Satyajit Ray\n2.Abbas Kiarostami\n3.Robert Bresson\n4.Sergei Eisenstein\n5.Akira Kurosawa\n6.Jean-Luc Godard\n7.Ritwik Ghatak\n8.Andrei Tarkovsky\n9.Federico Fellini\n10.Luis Bunuel','78e30783ac389ba3ed8d6f27a9fb4a3e',0,'','USRpsDze',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4284,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058786675,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: top ten directors','Ray is a great director. His absence from these lists is not due to immaturity(as you imply), fact is that few of his films are available on dvd in Europe and none(?!?) in North America. Most of the vhs copies released in the mid 90s are now defective thus not available for rental in a lot of areas. Our problem is not that we need to \"grow up\". We simply don\'t have access to his films.','8776045f28707ecfb5ae25ba5926c0a4',0,'','rQ5kA7Wa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4285,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058828939,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Knoxville','Re: top ten directors','1-Martin Scorsessee\n2-Paul Verhoeven\n3-Luc Besson\n4-Stanley Kubrick\n5-David Lynch\n6-David Cronenberg\n7-John Carpenter\n8-Francis Ford Coppola\n9-Quentin Tarantino\n10-Brian De Palma','e730fc35c66b9690f137ff84d0c93bda',0,'','kgKBwD9S',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4286,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058940352,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: top ten directors','Anyone who has seen satyajit ray\'s films knows he is a master,i have a few in my collection taped off tv years ago cheers ','ae639b75255a9009d463ab7b5ea56702',0,'','w54DhbeN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4287,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059032171,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: top ten directors','auteur, I watched Deconstructing Harry last night, where Allen parodies his approach to filmmaking; the constant self-examination, the neuroses, and the use of his personal life as material for his films. It was interesting that he presented himself as a writer, which may say a lot about the discussion we\'ve been having, but then again, he already explored the directing process in Stardust Memories. It was also interesting to see him \"lift\" large parts of Wild Strawberries, although stylistically it reminded me a lot of Fellini. That in itself may have been reflexive, since there was so much self-referencing in the film. Deconstructing Harry was okay, and had moments which were brilliantly written, but twenty years on from his truly great films, he seems to be treading the same kind of ground without any further insight. It almost felt like a confession that he\'s been unable to resolve the feelings that fueled those films. Whereas Annie Hall leaves you feeling like there\'s some kind of hope, his more recent films are often bitter or dissatisfied. On the whole, Deconstructing Harry was more enjoyable than say something like Husbands and Wives, but the latter film felt like an advancement on the themes in Woody Allen films, at least the ones that deal with personal relationships. Perhaps he\'s had one romantic failure too many, I think the next Woody Allen film I watch will be something like Everybody Says I Love you, because his more \"concept\" orientated films have a broader appeal to me in his latter work. \n\nThat WASP comment was funny, and very true, as is the comment about \"his\" Manhattan, although after watching Deconstructing Harry, I\'m sure it has nothing to do with any kind of racial politics. One of the best things about Deconstructing Harry was his self-critique of his attitude towards Judaism. He seems upfront about his prejudices. I don\'t think there\'s a Woody Allen hang-up that\'s been left unturned, and judging by his recent output, his creativity could use a few new neuroses. \n\nWhile the criticism of just whose Manhattan he was portraying is valid, I also think you could say the same about any number of directors, for instance, Ozu\'s view of the Japanese family dynamic is not every Japanese person (or director\'s) view. It came from Ozu\'s imagination and his observations, and that change in the relationship between parent and child (and family dynamic) wasn\'t something that he lived through, at least not directly. The great thing about cinema is that a singular view such as Ozu\'s is usually offset by the reactions of an Oshima or a Shohei Imamura, and I\'m sure there are films in American cinema that offer a counter view of Manhattan that resonate with you.  ','fa51b1dd8255f6a485cc9c2c0f66bbf6',0,'','fwE9UBn3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4288,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059119165,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: top ten directors','I agree with your assessment of DECONSTRUCTING HARRY. I\'d also say that his highly selective view of the city \"has nothing to do with any kind of racial politics\". One thing I learned from watching WILD MAN BLUES is that Allen is quite uncomfortable in unfamiliar situations. He does not like to meet new people. He travels to great cities like Paris and Madrid with his jazz band and stays inside his hotel room. Airport, hotel, concert hall, that\'s it. His sharp young wife serves as an intermediary between him and the world. Maybe this \"treading the same kind of ground\" is a reflection of his life experience. His limitations are mostly psychological, for his anxiety is real.\nBut every artist\'s reflection of a time and place passes  through highly subjective filters and Allen is entitled to his, particularly since he is not hiding them. Your point about Ozu\'s Japan is relevant. Know what? I don\'t think the Allen visits his native Brooklyn anymore. I don\'t think he\'s ever been north of Columbia U. to tell you the truth. That\'s ok; I\'ve enjoyed getting acquainted with his little world anyway.\nAsides:\nIs ZELIG the first mockumentary?\nIs OEDIPUS WRECKS (His contribution to \"NY Stories\") the only one where Allen ends up with a Jewish girl?\nWill return after a brief vacation.\n','5eeb83fe1e9e2702c3e561df630e1dab',0,'','Drk4SeyB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4289,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059177035,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Macheath','Re: top ten directors','Wouldn\'t the first mockumentary (Allen\'s, at least) be Take The Money And Run?','d6c64bc83ed2f6b8495602b24d62252b',0,'','pkM5fUbx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4290,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059693921,1,0,1,1,1,1,'briandarr','Re: top ten directors','\"Take the Money And Run\" resembles a mockumentary in form, but it\'s certainly not aa rigorous as \"Zelig\" or \"This is Spinal Tap\".  Those films took great pains to look, sound and feel exactly like documentaries.  They try to avoid showing scenes that would be unlikely elements of a real documentary.  Unlike \"Take the Money and Run\" which mocks its form by showing scene after scene where it\'s impossible to justify the presence of a camera crew.\n\nI read somewhere that Fellini made a mockumentary in the 1960s, which has been cited by some as the first mockumentary.  Of course the second sequence in \"Citizen Kane\" is a rather rigorous (not to mention hilarious to anyone who might recognize all the stock footage from the RKO Vault) mockumentary itself.  And then there\'s Bunuel\'s 1932 \"Land Without Bread\", though I hesitate to call it a full-on mockumentary since it serves as a documentary as well, even if much of it is exaggerated and/or staged.','277b1796ed542a373ed8d42493ed849b',0,'','4onHRYxB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4291,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061518664,1,0,1,1,1,1,'felipejuanfroilan','Re: top ten directors','CHAPLIN, Charles\nLANG, Fritz\nWELLES, Orson\nCOPPOLA, Francis Ford\nRENOIR, Jean\nROHMER, Eric\nROSSELLINI, Roberto\nDE SICA, Vittorio\nBUNUEL, LUIS\nMIZOGUCHI, Kenyi\n\nIn this message boards everybody expresses its opinion for and against certain directors and films. But nobody talks about ROSSELLINI!!! OK, It\'s good to discuss about Renoir, Dreyer, Bresson, etc. but I\'m Spanish, and in Spain Rossellini is really admired among critics, and I\'m just not very sure if he is not well considered, or it happens that films aren\'t known in other countries.','927df78a95a82a89d448cabd52ad3b4f',0,'','EraHMT82',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4292,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061521901,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: top ten directors','Yes Rossellini is right up there with the best,his films are always moving, i saw Germany Year Zero a couple of weeks ago on ther big screen,also Voyage In Italy (a fave)Stromboli is underrated.Scorsese is a huge fan (naturally) as i am.\nRoberto deserves high praise!','7de7318774ed1309ec711cd8011b2ffa',0,'','l571KVNx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4293,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061665424,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trierfan','Re: top ten directors','1.  Lars Von Trier\n2.  Stanley Kubrick\n3.  Pedro Almodovar\n4.  Krzysztof Kieslowski\n5.  Federico Fellini\n6.  Martin Scorsese\n7.  Jean-Pierre Jeunet\n8.  Roman Polanski\n9.  Milos Forman\n10. Ridley Scott','dfdda9753cc2fb240ee67ed220e69897',0,'','zkp4S1jB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4294,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062403922,1,0,1,1,1,1,'cwilliams415','Re: top ten directors','Top ten directors in no particular order:\nJacques Tati\nPreston Sturges\nIngmar Bergman\nFederico Fellini\nStanley Kubrick\nJohn Huston\nAkira Kurosawa\nVittorio De Sica\nAlfred Hitchcock\nCharlie Chaplin\n','c6f18d77ebf59c431cd67a3bcec37744',0,'','zy17dpwG',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4295,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062497839,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gony_72','Re: top ten directors','Jesus H. Christ, this really is hard to pin down to 10. I mean it might be easier to go continent by continent than just cold-blooded top 10. This time, ;) I won\'t cheat and WILL stop at 10. Here goes, in no particular order.\n\n1. Charles Chaplin\n2. Alfred Hitchcock\n3. Billy Wilder\n4. John Ford\n5. Frank Capra\n6. Akira Kurosawa\n7. Ingmar Bergman\n8. Federico Fellini\n9. Werner Herzog\n10. Zhang Yimou\n\nI\'ve divided evenly between English and foreign language directors, so no one can accuse me of not having a diverse coalition.....and I also lied, here are the runners up:\n(De Sica, Truffaut,Lang, Speilberg, Sturges, Cukor, Hawks,Kubrick, Lean, Polanski, Scorsese,Welles. \n\nChris','65ae94b8e41bcdc1d311faca821579cd',0,'','iwh0Aomx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4296,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062624187,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: top ten directors','Haven\'t seen Sidney Lumet mentioned yet - perhaps not consistently brilliant, but at his best a director of genius with a career of longevity - Serpico, 12 Angry Men, Running on Empty, Dog Day Afternoon, etc. etc.','c39f2c2d6dc724beec8b0d4bc5b06fe0',0,'','6DNcMfGR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4297,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062644058,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: top ten directors','Gee Gaz,you didn\'t mention \"The Hill\' Lument\'s best film for me,the cinematography is masterful,the acting excellent&connery\'s best film by a street,a real gritty classic with fine english actors,Harry Andrews is perfect. cheers','6be0987dfa779db5f9a4e248008cf84b',0,'','xXfbVoye',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4298,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062673298,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: top ten directors','I almost put The Hill but didn\'t because I haven\'t actually seen it myself. Promise I will though, especially as Harry Andrews is in it.','5982028f5bb61f272dbb8869106c677f',0,'','ERle8k54',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4299,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062742217,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: top ten directors','Good on ya gaz,see \"The Hill\" it is brilliant..cheers ..chas','8c5768eda36ba602a94be766726d470b',0,'','BmtEZLFD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4300,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1063689200,1,0,1,1,1,1,'miketripp','Re: top ten directors','wow...  very tough to list a top 10...  I feel it could change anytime and as I\'m really just discovering a lot of classic directors, my list may not mean much.\n\nIn no particular order:\n\nStanley Kubrick\nDavid Lynch\nFrancis Ford Coppella\nKirosawa\nSergio Leone\nBilly Wilder\nAlfred Hitchcock\nFrancois Traufault\nJeanne Pierre Jeunet\nIngmar Bergman','1c9aba067eb6a352c8156aca3d82baf8',0,'','C0rUBjVt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4301,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064024223,1,0,1,1,1,1,'spkrauszer','Re: top ten directors','This list changes a lot, mainly after i\'ve seen a movie by one of the people listed below, they often move up in the rankings, but i\'ll try:\n1.Federico Fellini\n2.Akira Kurosawa\n3.Francios Truffaut\n4.Martin Scorsese\n5.Ingmar Bergman\n6.Jean-Luc Godard\n7.Luis Bunuel\n8.Paul Thomas Anderson\n9.Billy Wilder\n10.Robert Altman/Stanley Kubrick/Fritz Lang (can\'t decide)','cd8a3aa150ffadc678eaed684efa5f25',0,'','LoRM3eTg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4302,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064035560,1,0,1,1,1,1,'darkthirty','Re: top ten directors','1.Andrei Tarkovski\n2.Akira Kurosawa\n3.Theo Angelopoulos\n4.Werner Herzog\n5.RW Fassbinder\n6.Jean-Luc Godard\n7.Fritz Lang\n8.Alain Resnais\n9.Frederico Fellini\n10.Luis Bunuel\n\nBut several of my favourite films are by female directors. They perhaps have a harder time creating a body of work? Ideas?','c1e3f01529a8d79ba2f6ede521afa9dc',0,'','VqMX7Su6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4303,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064935455,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gnixon29','Re: top ten directors','1.  David Lynch\n2.  Jean-Luc Godard\n3.  Alfred Hitchcock\n4.  Stanley Kubrick\n5.  Pedro Almodovar\n6.  Takashi Miike\n7.  Christopher Nolan\n8.  Paul Thomas Anderson\n9.  Orson Welles\n10. Gaspar Noe','aa685cc0cabd083708a32660911d0e7b',0,'','qQ8CdWtj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4304,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064948274,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: top ten directors','Good to see PT Anderson being mentioned here. Hopefully he will eventually prove himself worthy of inclusion in an all time top 10 greatest list.','96e5b3ec629c92e50fc80a1ea1e53dde',0,'','FVPNlTcX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4305,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1065046524,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Knoxville','Re: top ten directors','My personal favourites are:\n1. David Lynch\n2. David Cronenberg\n3. Martin Scorsese\n4. Paul Verhoeven\n5. Luc Besson\n6. Lars Von Trier\n7. Kevin Smith\n8. Ridley Scott\n9. Dario Argentio\n10. Sam Ramei','131e3f7dca64d1e62249dfa4b8669fcd',0,'','8RnCxY7L',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4306,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067868760,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mik','Re: top ten directors','My Top 10 Directors List\n 1)Fellini\n 2)Tarkovsky\n 3)Bergman\n 4)Paradjanov\n 5)Bunuel\n 6)Eisenstein\n 7)Antonioni\n 8)Visconti (you see, I love Italian film-makers very much as well as Russian)\n 9)Godar\n 10)Jean-Pierre Jeunet','92ee8264b176914f5b26613a909f3b7e',0,'','wnFxBzYR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4307,814,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067877579,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: top ten directors','I was very interested to see your profile - it seems we have lived a totally identical life.','667fed3e4bc5ecb2301cd0199c7d514b',0,'','exhRTYKN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4308,815,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045378785,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bmxsuperhero','Worst of 2002','Since the best of the year has been posted, why not bring up the movies that really got under your skin of the year.  American films are allowed, seeing as how they produced most of the garbage of the year.  Some of my picks, tentative list:\n\nCrossroads, New Best Friend, The Ring, Swept Away, XXX.\n\nMost overrated: Secretary.\n\nWorst foriegn film released in the States in 2002: Segunda Piel (Second Skin).','c34d43eb3c903c8766c1a48e6590b7af',0,'','P7VtlWUJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4309,815,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045824710,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Worst of 2002','Hey...I liked \"The Ring\". Anyways, you left off a ton of awful films but don\'t worry. I saw them all.\n\n\"The Adventures of Pluto Nash\"\n\"Scooby Doo\"\n\"Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever\"\n\"Mr. Deeds\"\n\"Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood\"\n\"I Spy\"\n\"Stealing Harvard\"\n\"The New Guy\"\n\"Juwanna Man\"\n\"The Hot Chick\"\n\"John Q\"\n\"Rollerball\"\n\"Crossroads\"\n\"Slackers\"\n\"40 Days and 40 Nights\"\n\"Showtime\"\n\"Death to Smoochy\"\n\"The Sweetest Thing\"\n\"Life or Something Like it\"\n\"Bad Company\"\n\"Men in Black 2\"\n\nToo many...','03e567b570905c8c1b48801ef69513e3',0,'','dsfrxBmk',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4310,815,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045824849,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Worst of 2002','Also I almost forgot\nThe Tuxedo\nAnalyze That\nThe Master of Disguise \nBenigni\'s Pinocchio\nSwept Away\nFormula 51\nHalf Past Dead\n8 Crazy Nights','cd0550ea4526ee4b76f2592bf29755d2',0,'','42oCLYzM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4311,816,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045659700,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bmxsuperhero','Hou Hsiao-hsien','Question.  Can someone explain the appeal to the director?  I\'ve only seen two of his films, Millennium Mambo and Flowers of Shanghai, both of which I abhored.  I understand he\'s condsidered one of the best working Asian directors (and that the market for his films is very slim in the midwest states).  If anyone can give me any information regarding him, it would be much appreciated.','894991513642161f81e9f0311496a58b',0,'','owqz73Z9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4312,816,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045823569,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Hou Hsiao-hsien','I agree with you, as I have seen most of Hsien\'s films, and liked only one (\"Flowers of Shanghai\"). Tsai-Ming Liang and Wong Kar-Wei are where its at.','91bb4f86b03c7e839517168e01319c71',0,'','yYaULAtS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4313,816,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045870604,1,0,1,1,1,1,'paredes','Re: Hou Hsiao-hsien','I sat for ten minutes of \"Goodbye South, Goodbye\" and left without regretting it.  I also sat through all of \"City of Sadness\" and didn\'t like it, so definitely the appeal of Hou\'s movies are lost on me.  On the other hand, Tsai Ming-Liang, speaking of Taiwanese directors, is thoroughly mesmerizing to me; I loved \"Vive L\'Amour\" and \"The Hole\" very much.','c742586f886928cf6bf5b8b0610e239c',0,'','keJy10AM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4314,816,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045872325,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Hou Hsiao-hsien','I\'ve only ever seen Tsai Ming-Liang\'s Vive L\'Amour & The Hole, but I hated them both... as for Hou Hsiao-Hsien, I can\'t say exactly what I love about him, but I\'ve seen everything he\'s done since 89\'s City of Sadness, and I absolutly adore each one... but for my money, Edward Yang is still the best Taiwanese director.','7c68ed8a0f453b8f6e77b7a78ada8c8f',0,'','hLyY0fFB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4315,816,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045909907,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bmxsuperhero','Re: Hou Hsiao-hsien','As far as Tsai Ming-Liang, I thought Vive L\'Amour was excellent, and I\'ve been told The Hole was as well.  I haven\'t gotten around to seeing What Time Is It There? either.  I often see Hsiao-Hsien and Ming-Liang compared.. but I\'d have to give both of their films another look to decipher why Hsiao-Hsien just doesn\'t work for me.','9b86d91575211cd22dc330855f234c88',0,'','PNdmLBaF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4316,816,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046294116,1,0,1,1,1,1,'paredes','Re: Hou Hsiao-hsien','It seems that Hou fans hate Tsai and vice-versa.  I suppose their styles are so different that it would be difficult to embrace both.  However, Edward Yang\'s YI YI is definitely the pinnacle of Taiwanese cinema, for the little I\'ve seen anyway.  That movie blew me away.','7deb87ef575e3fd7b38de94421d21eee',0,'','NMyfHrhF',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4317,816,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048593041,1,0,1,1,1,1,'katsuben','Re: Hou Hsiao-hsien','Difficulty of comprehension is probably what I like most about Hou\'s films. Often he seems to set-up narration in advance of showing it, thus generating mental/emotional space to concentrate on something else -- usually plastic space. That at least might be one of his regular abstractive techniques.\n\nI also happen to like Tsai and Yang, so go figure. But I think what Hou has done with his last few pictures is move in a new direction. Yang has kind of mastered complex story dynamics and attained something of an aesthetic pinnacle for beautiful construction. Tsai wants to realise internal character psychology with a sort of distanced symbolic realism but I prefer the panache of the Grace Chang musical numbers in Hole.\n\nI\'ve always been curious about the music in Hou\'s films. There\'s almost a bowing to sentiment sometimes (especially in say Good Men, Good Women) and definitely an interest in guiding spectators\' aurally which suggests further levels of meaning, perhaps.\n\nTo me Hou was immediately something different and challenging. A film like Millenium Mambo, I don\'t know if I adore it but re-watching it is extraordinarily easy, almost hypnotic, and every time there\'s new elements to discover. Not so much unravel, but just suddenly see what then becomes blindingly obvious.\n\n*shrug*','38e7b3172157ad311568418d5ebf9ae9',0,'','4apdvfl9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4318,816,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048738303,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gary-2','Re: Hou Hsiao-hsien','Hmmm... I have now seen all of Tsai\'s films... my initial recation was \"ecstatic\" (\"Vive L\'amour\" 1st film of his I saw then \"The Hole\")... but by the time I got to \'What Time is it There\' he was growing stale and slowing repeating himself... I have seen all but one of Hou\'s films and the last \"Mellinium Mambo\" was the only one that truly reached me... and I loved it... but my favorite Asian director by far is Anh Hung Tran... (Scent of Green Papaya, Cyclo and Vertical Ray of the Sun)... he is onty 40 and has accomplished more with his first three films than most other directors in their entire careers. He is the one to watch for...','c9b4bdc452ea46814a99a7b6ed3e18bb',0,'','8sl6CkFq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4319,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045936873,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Best performance by a kid ?','i just want to learn your best for a kid ...!\nmines are:\n\"Holey Joel Osment\" in Artificial intelligence,Sixth Sense\n\"Christian Bale\" in Empire of the Sun\n','92fcfdb578ebc453c98701a72b83e872',0,'','zr6agxYw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4320,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1045945859,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','There\'s already a topic for this, called \"Best performance by a child\". I made the last post myself on 10th December last year. Search that out.','d7e0e3d896c09f0c0beb6b1a926ed22c',0,'','uYmUWJGQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4321,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046160858,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Arletty','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','The little girl in \"Houseboat\"\nThe two children in \"To Kill a Mocking Bird\"\nHayley Mills in \"Whistle Down the Wind\"\nThe little boy in \"The Trouble with Harry\"','c286221e31ad047304c5eacd9e3434e7',0,'','YDiGC3JX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4322,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1046713265,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Mitch Vogel in \"Reivers\"\nKyle Eastwood in \"Honkytonk Man\"','cc6cab721edf0f1f94ca962a7c52d488',0,'','ANaY5l1e',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4323,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047995814,1,0,1,1,1,1,'szindbad','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Of course, Victorie Thivisol in Jacques Doillon\'s \"Ponette\".','be5ccaa95f612aad8b5165de3b7e348c',0,'','uSxWZeiD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4324,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048028776,1,0,1,1,1,1,'anoop_raw','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','How about the kid in the movie \'The Red Balloon\' . Its a 30 minutes French movie with no dialogue.\nI also liked the kid in \'The Color of Paradise\', an Iranian movie directed by Majid Majidi.','5454319717d971fd5b4fe7d1ae548533',0,'','AevJWF7C',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4325,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048447000,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','The child actors in Steven Spielberg\'s films are always highly convincing. There\'s also Tatum O\'Neal in Paper Moon, and the kid in Cinema Paradio who\'s name I can\'t remember.','096a597b1e402c4d100b1a1c59c68ebc',0,'','gTKd0pPz',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4326,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048513772,1,0,1,1,1,1,'for_me_blue','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','The little boy in Kolya definitely, in my opinion at least. :)\n\nLizka','eacf32282fce598df84c5975c0754ac8',0,'','fGbKZehJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4327,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057225261,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mezincescue','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','The child who plaied Bruno in \"Bicicle theif\"\nand both children in Bergman\'s \"fanny and Alexander\"','809dcc8c93f8eec8dc887bf7b42bb911',0,'','4XCokdjT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4328,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057805174,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Nice choices, but for me Brigitte Fossey in \"Forbidden Games\" is the greatest of a great lot!','f053379bb010f6eda67afa66c9144752',0,'','v5c3JLaK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4329,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058464667,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Linda Manz, narrating and acting in DAYS OF HEAVEN.','da4de357033a45ee175b0466dc073565',0,'','rWgqynXo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4330,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059740428,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','i liked the two kids in children of heaven.  =o)','3d01da4392f493f1e0dbd075c2cf5a5c',0,'','T02yY1nW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4331,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061424751,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','I\'ll have to go with Lamberto Maggiorani from the Bicycle Thief.','2f9c7721f646db068aabb6fe1b6d82b4',0,'','KTUAxwqg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4332,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061497827,1,0,1,1,1,1,'IndianSummer','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','\'Alok Chakravarti\' in Apur Sansar (Apu\'s world, 1959) by Satyajit Ray (1921-1992)','93b7edccf6f4cff71866088cc2db675e',0,'','Bkn7LRac',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4333,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1063689817,1,0,1,1,1,1,'miketripp','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Jean-Pierre Léaud - \"400 Blows\"...   he was able to make a character that is essentially a \'bad seed\' likeable and believable.\n\nHave yet to see a child\'s performance move me as much as this one.','33e2439a67d676b8d39ed7af86e808ed',0,'','fKtWNnQr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4334,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064025738,1,0,1,1,1,1,'spkrauszer','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Jeremy Blackman in \"Magnolia\"','ff367de45ee82735ba4bc39c0e88ff23',0,'','28LUScMA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4335,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064935693,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gnixon29','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Good call on Jean-Pierre Léaud in 400 BLOWS.\n\nTwo other recent unforgettable performances:\nNatalie Portman in LEON, and whoever that little girl was in CITY OF LOST CHILDREN.\n\nBest performance by a non-professional actor:  the kid in RATCATCHER.','86fbd923cb4ba97525313621d9a4b195',0,'','ziRJAEjy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4336,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064948459,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Cna children be classed as professionals and non-professionals?\n\nIn any case, good call for William Eadie in Ratcatcher. Also how about David Bradley in Kes, or some of the children Malle worked with (Gaspard Manesse, Benoit Ferreux, Raphael Fejto and especially Pierre Blaise).','78bc9c5a53675c2040b58e9e9ce0ceb6',0,'','poQ0wxuV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4337,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064955481,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa-1','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Yes, I\'d say kids can be classed as pro or non-pro. A good example of largely non-pro would be the cast of \"Small Change\" by Truffaut. Another would be the cast of \"Le Jeune Werther\". Examples of pro kids would be \"The Lizzie McGuire Movie\" or \"Stand By Me\". \n\nChallenge for contributors: how do we actually define professional or nonprofessional child actors?','201a8af98d8d6ffad13d2c6f96eece1e',0,'','ztL4Gie9',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4338,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1065046622,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Knoxville','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','River Phoenix-Stand By Me\nNatalie Portman-Leon','d7fda50b8af4a243be02a3a41e7011fb',0,'','i2U1mQjl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4339,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1065851409,1,0,1,1,1,1,'texan_gal','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Tang Yun from Together directed by Chen Kaige. He was found at a violin competition and had no prior acting experience.','1481b5a539cf6abc38bc21dd4c6104ba',0,'','T0WM9XdN',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4340,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067168434,1,0,1,1,1,1,'texan_gal','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','I forgot to include Ponette\'s Victoire Thivisol. Runner\'s up include the children that played her cousins: Matiaz Bureau Caton and Delphine Schiltz and of course, my previous nomination above.\n','bd7f21e198eb745db87b07588ced2fb0',0,'','miRNx7hL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4341,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068482329,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ustink','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Victoria something in \"Pomette\"','49a6c767add56007f83b62113ebd34c9',0,'','cBdlx0tq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4342,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068578238,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Mik','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Of course, both children in Bergman\'s \"Fanny and Alexander\" are wonderful actors. \nI think, that one of the best child\'s perfomances is Nikolay Burluaev\'s one in the \"Ivan\'s childhood\" of Andrey Tarkovsky.','3127ca1dc597f5333ffa7cd2918a0a34',0,'','gRnE7bBL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4343,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1068584814,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Agree strongly - the top 10 list I posted a few months ago on the \"Best performance by a child?\" thread is as follows (not in order of preference):\n\n1. Bjorn Andresen (Death in Venice)\n2. Jean-Pierre Leaud (Les 400 Coups)\n3/4. Gaspard Manesse/Raphael Fejto (Au Revoir Les Enfants)\n5. Benoit Ferreux (Le Souffle Au Coeur)\n6. Pierre Blaise (Lacombe Lucien)\n7/8. Bertil Guve/Pernilla Alwin (Fanny och Alexander)\n9. Wojciech Klata (Dekalog 1)\n10. Kolya Burlaev (Ivan\'s Childhood)\n\nI suppose it may have changed since then, but off the top of my head, nothing yet.','be5ab3950de2197b945d227bb30a6f9f',0,'','HaUkpKBS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4344,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1072905072,1,0,1,1,1,1,'par72','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Good child performances in Ratcatcher, Shadow of a Doubt, City of God, Lilya 4 Ever and Whale Rider','6c38b64e7a8e36dfe90e5965165a7dfa',0,'','nE94pRxH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4345,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073439446,1,0,1,1,1,1,'enad','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Ana Torrent - Spirit of the Beehive\nTatum O\'neal - Paper Moon\nAlessandra de Rossi - Azucena\nHaley Joel Osment - Sixth Sense, A.I.\nThose kids who starred in Pather Panchali and Salaam Bombay!','bf8167ace9a9f8e3573bf96b407fef70',0,'','CKMayPs3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4346,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073455605,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa-1','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Two not mentioned so far:\n\n1. Maxime Collin in \"Leolo\"\n2. Jordan Kiziuk in \"Island on Bird Street\"','2a264dd6e9382f468acd9baf1d993c7b',0,'','JwAcEnCR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4347,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073522903,1,0,1,1,1,1,'samdeeks','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','NOT the children in \'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang\' with their sqeaking voices, that\'s for sure. :-)','12ac2856458742aaf0566eb0a3e3dde3',0,'','Brn2YW0x',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4348,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073523154,1,0,1,1,1,1,'samdeeks','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','NOT the children in \'Chitty Chitty Bang Bang\' with their sqeaking voices, that\'s for sure. :-)','12ac2856458742aaf0566eb0a3e3dde3',0,'','jyilLKgZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4349,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073664429,1,0,1,1,1,1,'adornojimenez','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','I actually liked Dakota Fanning in I AM SAM, It was wonderful, and the littel girl in THE RING, she was great. ','3e6c07aabd4f682cada8596db6c5984b',0,'','aDe6g4UK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4350,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073677159,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ustink','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','the siblings in Children of Heaven\nHayley Mills in Tiger Bay','f70f409175696e7949293174fedaef3d',0,'','jaqLlY3K',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4351,817,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1073680126,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best performance by a kid ?','Hayley Mills is also part of an excellent ensemble child cast in Whistle Down the Wind, a great film.','fe547935dd1d7a655197a37c077cf8eb',0,'','9fCzFa2Z',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4352,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047215976,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Best Score ?','i think apart from major part ( directory-actint-plot...etc) there r 2 things which makes a film \"masterpiece\" : Score and Cinematography\nand here is my topic: What are your favourite scores ?\nhere is my list:\nBraveheart\nThe Piano\nTitanic\nUnfaithfull\nMatrix\nPulp Fiction\nAmelie\nCrouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon\nThe Return\nLord of The Rings\n....','093464df126a158752740ec8167c4a65',0,'','k4APjKrC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4353,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047222882,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best Score ?','As a music student I am liable to have many opinions on this subject - here are some of them.\n\nI have yet to find a director who can use already-written music as well as Louis Malle, from Charlie Parker in Le Souffle au Coeur to Reinhardt and Grappelli in Lacombe Lucien and Schubert\'s second Moment Musical in Au Revoir Les Enfants.\n\nBergman\'s use of Schumann\'s Piano Quintet in Fanny and Alexander is very effective.\n\nVisconti\'s Death in Venice is the supreme example of classical music and film coming together in symbiosis.\n\nAs for original scores, ET is excellent (John Williams\' best; his recent efforts are disappointing - the Harry Potter scores suggest very little musical training whatsoever).\n\nI like Krzysztof Komeda\'s scores for Polanski\'s Knife in the Water and The Fearless Vampire Killers very much - very atmospheric.\n\nAimee Mann\'s soundtrack for Magnolia is outstanding and, unlike many, I thought the scene where the cast sings along to one of the songs really worked.\n\nThe score by Maurice Jaubert for Vigo\'s Zero de Conduite is wonderful.\n\nColin Tully\'s music for Gregory\'s Girl is stunning. likewise Alan Price\'s songs in O Lucky Man (used as a Brechtian device, as if anyone is interested).\n\nI could go on for literally ages and ages and ages. My admiration for some people knows no bounds. I will undoubtedly think of more, which will find their way onto this post sooner or later.','b2177bc8ad47e87195a26337cf02eca2',0,'','VCsd4SDo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4354,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047240790,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Re: Best Score ?','   i have just seen Rosemary\'s Baby and i should add my list the score of this good film. however score is not used so much during the film it will be enough to hear it at the beginning and end part of this Polanski film to admire Chritopher Komeda. \nNote For Gaz: Yes i recommend it to u, i m sure u will like it, Rosemary\'s Baby tells u why Polanski is considered as virtuoso of thriller genre, it is a bit like The Game, The Birds ( almost there is no scroe and till the end you can not solve it )','698e8c214a0ea278669eda06a63eb12a',0,'','96ga4ZGR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4355,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048447179,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Best Score ?','The Godfather is my favourite film score. I also love scores by John Williams and Elmer Bernstein.','d45aae8071c13dc4d92daa3c3c4378d5',0,'','3dEwp9Gu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4356,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049507230,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: Best Score ?','Betty Blue,Sexy Stuff\nThe Girl on the Bridge-Hate to say it but Marianne Faithful`s Track is amazing even though she can`t sing that well,mind you she always says that anyway.','1281e3e6c7759d0a37492427deb2c376',0,'','pkwY5AUZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4357,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049667253,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: Best Score ?','On The Buses -Oh It`s Lot`s of Fun on the Buses\nConfessionas of a Window Cleaner-This is your Life Timmy Lee\nThe Clangers go to Hollywood-Woop woop woop woop\nMcVicar-Free Me By Saddam Hussein,Whoops spelt it wrong,Roger Daltrey\nThe Meaning of Life-Isn`t it awfully nice to have a Wenis (Russian Version )\n','a1f03957c51c6496384d9f35479dbb77',0,'','TPv4c7nx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4358,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049675419,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best Score ?','Confessions of a Pop Performer is much better than Window Cleaner. Score by Three\'s A Crowd if I remember rightly - \"Timmy, Timmy gimme some of your lovin\' - sweet, sweet lovin\'.\" This should have been on my earlier list.','7eb84021d43a782765be8a04b2ba7924',0,'','S3cEYNtV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4359,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049830817,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Best Score ?','Without any bias whatsoever, i can state categorically that the finest film score was premiered last night at Brecon Film Society, Wales (for which i happen to be publicist). Special musical accompaniment composed and performed by Paul Shallcross, a perfect match to Buster Keaton\'s silent masterpiece The General. \n\nA magnificent silent score that comes to mind is Henri Rabaud\'s to the little known, marvellous The Chess Player (Bernard, 1927).\n\nEnnio Morricone (Once upon a Time in America/ The West...)and Bernard Herrmann (Vertigo, North by Northwest, Citizen Kane, Taxi Driver...) are the 2 top names, for me.','addca9994099477c1080f0e314715e33',0,'','5Ys3njK6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4360,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051376619,1,0,1,1,1,1,'MoonlightWanderer','Re: Best Score ?','Hmmm... your original list sems to just be any film with a good bit of music playing in the background.  But, does it fit the movie?  Sme of your suggestions didn\'t.  Here, I have one movie to add, that I can\'t beleive no one\'s mentioned:\nO Brother Where Art Thou?','8974017283efabb53deccb15dd801921',0,'','3bmsZfuT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4361,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055526118,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: Best Score ?','Great score - Tangerine Dream in Herzog\'s Nosferatu.  ','23719a5706444b93ad2cf831d92bb1c7',0,'','U8jr9fm0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4362,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1055526430,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: Best Score ?','Also the Wang Chung soundtrack for Bill Friedkin\'s underrated To Live & Die in LA.  CD\'s GREAT driving music if you\'re going on a long trip.','ce30525552c70bb275f3e0488e320f2a',0,'','Z4Fd0C6u',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4363,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1056851845,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jools64','Re: Best Score ?','Tess by Philippe Sarde \n\n... and I would add Even Cowgirls Get The Blues by Ben Mink and k.d. lang. Excellent album but I couldn\'t hear the soundtrack very well when I saw the film.. so does it count?','96d547feabc544f2e4c3fa04064e2cec',0,'','5ZruT9wi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4364,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1056852342,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best Score ?','Philippe Sarde is one of the greats - his scores for Nelly et Monsieur Arnaud and, in particular, L.627, are also excellent.','380d6d9922c912f58bc619900fd6ebf0',0,'','F6ilAcnQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4365,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057081302,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: Best Score ?','The Great Nino Rota - 8-1/2, La Dolce Vita, Amarcord, The Godfather...','25799575e6aed04ba3fb648bd4118085',0,'','k0D1FuYK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4366,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059741825,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Best Score ?','I love the soundtrack of \"In the Mood for Love\" esp. the Angkor Wat Theme, and the waltz when Maggie Cheung walks, and being a kid, nat king cole is a revelation.  I never imagined i\'d like that sort of music.  \"Amelie\" - Yann Tiersen and \"Requiem for  a Dream\" -  Clint Marsell were also cool; \"Great Expectations;\" \"Those Who love me Can Take the Train\" and also \"I am Sam.\"','9b26ba741df77d41aaadaab4d839b4f4',0,'','E1fkZwMe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4367,818,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067877825,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best Score ?','Some unmentioned as yet scores:\n\nThe scores by John Barry for Walkabout and by Georges Delerue for Le Mepris are not only musically similar, but are also used as a recurring device in each film. Hypnotic.\n\nOne score which keeps coming back to me is Walter Schumann\'s for The Night of the Hunter. The way the Robert Mitchum theme of menacing, disjunct bare fifths is juxtaposed with the Shelly Winters theme as he is about to kill her is one of the most brilliant musical moments in all film.','5f05a7c102f3f88633c97f459144a573',0,'','VWpN7iCT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4368,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047216263,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Best Cinematography ?','Sequel to previous topic, what are your favourite cinematograpies?\nhere is my list:\nSaving Private Ryan--Kamunsky is unique about puting u into the mid of a war\nAmerican Beauty--easy sight even in darkest scenes\nThe Piano\nAmelie\nA Clockwork Orange--Kubrick ( no more to say )\n','edb97c81f77ec799a0db483b0a245369',0,'','8duPfqrv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4369,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047222980,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best Cinematography ?','I reckon anything by Nic Roeg\nDeath in Venice\nIf....\nAguirre, Wrath of God','e34fff231771678958bbfdf8a75ef0ab',0,'','wdcuNhWr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4370,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048906894,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tastlikeburning','Re: Best Cinematography ?','Okay, I know The Rules of Attraction was one of the worst movies ever but the cinematography was AMAZING! That split screen shot that became one, GENIUS. ','985d72a09b51daa9946a0573c96e47c5',0,'','kVaCsejZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4371,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052989348,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Best Cinematography ?','I kinda liked Rules...come on, that scene where they show Paul traveling across Europe in fast foward with him narrating over it was genius. As for the ones who influenced me the most, I\'d say Magnificent Ambersons (Stanley Cortez), Last Year at Marienbad (Sacha Vierny), Conformist & Last Tango in Paris (Vittorio Storaro), Godfather (Gordon Willis), and of course Amelie.','98bebaa84ca66646bf1878917aff89d2',0,'','rk6S2PhE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4372,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053240084,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best Cinematography ?','There have been some remarkable films in this department recently, particularly Traffic and Requiem for a Dream, as well as every David Lynch film.  As for the all time great, Greg Toland on everything, particularly Kane.  Also a big fan of Sven Nykvist and Gordon Willis.','70b60360231d9d404147683ba1581a65',0,'','oHv8g6aQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4373,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053266503,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best Cinematography ?','If we\'re talking about great cinematographers Nykvist is an obvious choice, but Henri Decae deserves a mention.','2392d987351deb7b662a95cdfc75fe5d',0,'','oLtVrYhE',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4374,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053406401,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Best Cinematography ?','Forgot about Henri Decae. He shot Beauty and the Beast (the original Cocteau masterpiece) and Wings of Desire, which is still Wenders\' best film.','77be0feaf4c9dba1581d84b6572f0af6',0,'','iqgsYrWc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4375,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053436441,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Best Cinematography ?','And Les 400 Coups - the opening shots of Paris and the closing freeze-frame are now part of cinema history.','1d14f4a42f0df977525412d7053adcda',0,'','x0hBjknJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4376,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054252593,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Best Cinematography ?','Isn\'t Decae getting confused with Henri Alekan for Beauty and the Beast and Wings of Desire?\n\nAnyway, the greatest cinematographers are;\n\nKazuo Miyagawa- Sansho the Bailiff, Ugetsu Monogatari, Chikamatsu, Miss Oyu (all for Mizoguchi), Rashomon, Kagemusha, Yojimbo (Kurosawa), Enjo (Ichkawa), Floating Weeds (Ozu) \n\nand\n\nVittorio Storaro- The Spider\'s Stratagem, The Conformist, Last Tango in Paris, Apocalypse Now, The Last Emperor, The Sheltering Sky\n\nAlso; \n\nRobbie Muller- Paris Texas, Alice in the Cities, Kings of the Road, Dead Man, Breaking the Waves\n\nGeorgos Arvanitis- for Angelopoulos\n\nRobert Burks- Vertigo, Rear Window, North by Northwest, The Birds, Marnie\n\nJack Cardiff- for Powell, Pressburger\n\nRaoul Coutard- A Bout de Souffle, Shoot the Pianist, Lola, Vivre sa Vie, Pierrot le Fou\n\nEdouard Tissé- Strike, Battleship Potemkin, Alexander Nevsky, Ivan the Terrible 1&2\n\nGregg Toland, Nestor Almendros, Chris Doyle, Roger Deakins, William Daniels, Rudolf Maté, Sven Nykvist, Gordon, Willis, Freddie Francis, Freddie Young..','f592a397e24d80ae3694d072bb8ef6c6',0,'','KaRBlbsA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4377,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054634815,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tijbc78','Re: Best Cinematography ?','  Did anyone have seen Gabriel Figueroa\'s work?. I think He\'s one of the best in the world ,you can admire his work in many mexican movies (mostly the best of mexican cinema)and a couple hollywood movies (He worked for Jonh Ford in the \"Fugitive\",Luis Bunuel\'s Los Olvidados;)He was part of the el  EQUIPO (a group included Dolores del Rio,Pedro Armendariz,Emilio Fernandez and Mauricio Magdaleno)and made the best mexican films ever. Watch his work and you\'ll think twice what can you call best Cinematography!!','4e1343fbe3d51aef4a1cdc5e0420ff27',0,'','TMkH64b3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4378,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054671012,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Best Cinematography ?','Are the films directed by the great Emilio \"El Indio\" Fernandez available on video in the U.S.?','68af5ae511c96a3b2d03b95eea67c4ba',0,'','ixqbMhLu',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4379,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059742247,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Best Cinematography ?','hey, yeah, i love that film for its cinematography.  roger avary the director also had something to do with pulp fiction, so i bet he had some practice.  But i guess you already know this.  I suppose the only saving grace of this movie, i\'d have to admit is the cinematography.  ','7b1f36db763e3278e31c283af2eef73c',0,'','P9ElXQkW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4380,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059742384,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Best Cinematography ?','i was talking about \"rules of Attraction.\"   but anyway, great cinematography--\"Requiem for a Dream,\" \"Fight Club,\" \"the Princess and the Warrior.\" \"Matrix\"','4fa4fd27590df3481da0a7cbebb1ad4d',0,'','g4GVdueq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4381,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059742608,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Best Cinematography ?','I also forgot to mention --Wong Kar-wai\'s and Zhang Yimou\'s films. See them if you haven\'t already.','0e0126d63fe1064876c0c5381ef63545',0,'','Rqk7pnsy',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4382,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059762587,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: Best Cinematography ?','john 5 - re: Storaro - don\'t forget the coppola turkey, One From the Heart...movie was dreadful but the cinematography was outstanding.','6b77cd123b0084f65a258c4e44a2456a',0,'','Pv9ZnxqU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4383,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061424378,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Best Cinematography ?','I just saw The Cranes are Flying and I have a new number one.  Every shot is brilliance and any flaw in the film can easily be overlooked on the strength of the cinematography.','4967421d264dcf5490ece7cbf12b8147',0,'','LZftcpaM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4384,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062360940,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Slohands','Re: Best Cinematography ?','Had to add Vilmos Zsigmond to the list of great cameramen.\nMcCabe and Mrs. Miller, The Deer Hunter, etc.  ','8aa3d86a23f4d9dcb0f17ae0b5d57e0c',0,'','TD5hvEeS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4385,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064025553,1,0,1,1,1,1,'spkrauszer','Re: Best Cinematography ?','\"Cries and Whispers\" had really good cinematography.','8bc21c9ccea52cfd910678c05dbb3b34',0,'','0o19Vkbv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4386,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066806537,1,0,1,1,1,1,'texan_gal','Re: Best Cinematography ?','Zhang Yimou\'s Hero','15238c872fe72b5a5e298318401412a8',0,'','U4YKAGgB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4387,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066897349,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Best Cinematography ?','\"The Cranes Are Flying\" excellent choice! i would also recommend Kobayashi\'s\"The Human Condition 1,2.3\" & Kon Ichikawa\'s \"Fires on the Plain\"...Cheers','7e29a4b6d0b7f4cf040f5601112dcaf1',0,'','6eALFB48',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4388,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066922660,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Best Cinematography ?','I liked the cinematography in  Tom Twyker\'s \'The Princess and the Warrior.\'  Just watched it again recently, and I really got to appreciate the aesthetics of that film.','ced7f69bac1b9fb100d8aec00bc35bc9',0,'','FzlqCnG5',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4389,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066925329,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Re: Best Cinematography ?','Thanks for those who replyed my topic, after i had written this topic of course i went on seeing good films and i have 2 more films to add under this topic;\nHero ( Yimou Zhang); visually stunning, never seen any other \"action-martial art\" flick which has so beautiful,delicate,poetic \"action\" shots,(except Crouching Tiger,Hidden Dragon is visually great,moreover it does not suffer from a weak plot; better than Hero) Hero proves that even action films can be shot artfully, great cinematography\n\nThree Colours; Red ( Kieslowsky) at last i saw Red, and it was superb, but i m a bit dissapointed ( i think those super ratings made this...!) but cinematography was one of the best i have ever seen, this film cannot be a classic without those painstakingly shot scenes, in every scene we may follow the characters from the best perspective ever possible...','7c50bd19faba1efef9c4a0a6c789068c',0,'','SKP8CNdr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4390,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067370552,1,0,1,1,1,1,'hindragal33','Re: Best Cinematography ?','These days it\'s so much easier to get films to look amazing what with all the computer assisted tricks.  The pre digital films show a more difficult challenge to be visually arresting.  My favorite pre-digital ciinematography is from the Polish film \"The Sandglass\" (Sanitorum Pod Klepsydra).  Also virtually any film by Fellini (with Giuseppe Rotunno) has teriffic camerawork.  My favorite post digital film is Greenaway\'s \"Prospero\'s Books\" (shot by Sacha Vierny) which has yet to be topped in the visual imagination department. ','5d743588a755ecdbf5ff280e3d4ca633',0,'','ra6pXxRW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4391,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067387057,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Best Cinematography ?','Good call on [i]Prospero\'s Books[/i]. Problem is ...can you name another film that [u]requires[/u] to be seen on a theatre screen. There\'s so much going on visually at all times that home screens virtually \"drowns\" the movie. ','deaf3c188eae4efbe9056fd777005735',0,'','AEB03lky',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4392,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067499500,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Best Cinematography ?','Couldn\'t agree more with the choice of \'The Cranes are Flying\'.  That film is so beautiful that the first time I saw it, it damn near left me breathless.  A few others of note.....Harakiri, I am Cuba, and I\'ve always loved the cinematography in Shane.','ef10cc46836251a48623afe7a1bd22c3',0,'','o9xNQziJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4393,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067557128,1,0,1,1,1,1,'vinod_indukuri','Re: Best Cinematography ?','I too thought the \"Cranes are flying\" had great camera work that is comparable to other illustrious works like for the \"Citizen Kane\".','4f265539aa48deb1719cd450a12a9556',0,'','wvirhAsL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4394,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067619619,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: Best Cinematography ?','Far From Heaven (bit boring but beautiful), Sleepy Hollow (dreamy), Barry Lyndon, 2001, Orlando, Elizabeth, La Reine Margot, Valmont, Raise The Red Lantern, Dangerous Liasons, Nightmare Before Christmas, Dracula (Coppola\'s), Eyes Wide Shut, most parts of Velvet Goldmine..    \n\n','5df4ea7b543e11211f5f7147aa987b2c',0,'','ZYTbteGm',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4395,819,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067639957,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: Best Cinematography ?','& Hedwig And The Angry Inch!','7d6aecc3e32e74782e98328c50b6f9f8',0,'','mdMcPTun',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4396,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047230794,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mr_black667','You guys','Why is everyone making top 5/10/100 lists? Whats the point? What sort of movie you like is very subjective, wich was made very clear when one of you included \"freddy got fingered\" in your top ten list. And how can you compare the different genres? Seems that also a bunch of you like some very peculiar directors and movies just to appear as experts or something.  Is it not better to discuss the contents of a movie or try to interpret it?','72da09ff0cd510544197312722fbd8eb',0,'','juH4m7cU',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4397,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047236478,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa','Re: You guys','I wouldn\'t necessarily agree with you. I have learned of many gems that were previously unknown to me be referring to such lists, and am grateful that others have taken the trouble to bring these to other people\'s attention. I imagine that this view is shared by others---we\'ll see what happens here.','25e48dd5e9e899abd66e9e1bc2b9fec6',0,'','3kruH0Ls',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4398,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047237315,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: You guys','It strikes me that this message board is about discussing things. All posts are intended to give food for thought and provoke reactions from people.\n\nI would also disagree that some frequenters of this site deliberately choose to like odd films to appear superior. Just because somebody has a different taste in films from one\'s own doesn\'t mean their opinions are inferior. I think most of us understand this.\n\nFilms give us pleasure and so does this site - that\'s what it all boils down to.\n\n\"There\'s room for everyone in this world, if everyone makes some room.\" That comes from the masterpiece that is Pete\'s Dragon.','1c1b9d10e36a7386905d0bfbf1e86813',0,'','GqSyzVTp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4399,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047241715,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Re: You guys','Like jpmuse i got my opportunity to see masterpieces of cinema means of this 5/10/100 list, but yep u r right we may also discuss films,genres,directors...so on.','a32aa905b4cb5ba02bd6fe6992288d56',0,'','8FY2Ey5f',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4400,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047317936,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mr_black667','Re: You guys','I\'m not saying that every person who admires an \"unknown\" director tries to come off superior, but it seems like some does. I refer to those who try to describe a movie with the most difficult words and technical terms they can come up with, e.g. bjornam. We are normal people, not movie critics. Because this is a message board where not only those in the business, but also just plain movie lovers write, maybe trying to keep it on a level that is understandable to the common man would be a good idea. And also, there are many here who does not have english as their mother tounge, like myself. \nMy point about the list is that they don\'t say anything about the movie, they just show us what someones favourite movie is. Unless it\'s a well known movie, most people can\'t relate to it.','66a7478fe9994429a566ea8929d01965',0,'','Repmz8Vo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4401,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047318267,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: You guys','Point taken about us being \"normal\" people - whatever that is - but like normal people we are all different and have differing experience of films. We are also affected by films in different ways.\n\nMy point was that ForeignFilms.com is for everyone, no matter what they want to use it for.\n\nExcept spam.','a98d5c91169785d8855e5604e3876b66',0,'','o0JjGuVp',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4402,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059744324,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: You guys','and i hate it that someone has to tell me in my personal email that i misspelled a word, or some of my punctuation marks are misplaced.  somebody named patrik or somebody. everyone makes typing mistakes.  ','30f2255d784d4e6497b0dc42e98de935',0,'','8B4xyaej',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4403,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059783315,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: You guys','Almost evreyone.','f07d8785d9e63520a190e921fa38e160',0,'','S7aBULAh',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4404,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060224290,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: You guys','I think the point is we all love film & the only thing better than turning someone on to a great film or director,is to be turned on by someone else it is an educational process which is what it is all about,but i don\'t know about \"unknown directors\" i make it my business to know as many as i can,but i always was a serious bastard ..cheers','8aad8f353844be4fe02e214fe88f9edf',0,'','xtmYASfb',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4405,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060232968,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: You guys','I’ve never really written anything lengthy on this forum, but I feel it’s better that I hear about Andrew Noren and Ken Jacobs and Charles Burnett for the first time then for someone to list “Seventh Seal” for the thousandth time on this site... the only reason for me to butt into a conversation is to go “Hey! What about this guy?”  ...if you’re intrigued go look it up (I know that’s the only reason I know about Oscar Micheaux or Larry Gottheiem)... there’s far more I need to know about this art form, so please! don’t tell me again about Almodovar, but tell me that there is this guy named Victor Erice making pictures in Spain too… ','107c77fc872c9a6d34d51e0319ea35f8',0,'','YrzVDvem',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4406,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061152365,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mr_black667','Re: You guys','Did anyone get my point? People are writing that they would like to hear about less known directors and less known movies instead of the same old that are mentioned a thousand times. Sure, I agree. But my topic was: Why all the top 5/10/100 lists? Ok, you\'ll get to know some knew names an titles, but is it not better to tell others about what you like and what it\'s about?','5e9ed28d5896941caf42d85bacc2f289',0,'','NGwm8tL0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4407,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061170161,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: You guys','I suppose some people, myself included, just like making lists. I\'m misguided enough to think that it makes me seem organised. Is there any harm in it?','346c9fa41e10ee3923f7b6061f22465f',0,'','QhvHd2zS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4408,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061179353,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: You guys','Well lets try this again, my computer shut down in the middle of typing a reply, damn dial up.  Anyways I agree with Gaz and love making lists.  Not just films but songs, singers, Simpson\'s episodes, actors, and a lot of others.  My current project is a foreign film top 100, but much more research needs to be done.','fa79e4a0ce55f61c6dfe132fc80b7f06',0,'','XuyFSa5V',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4409,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1061266348,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: You guys','i guess it is human nature to make lists if you have a passion for film,literature music or whatever,why? probably to make,wait for it \"a point\" so we can educate each other\notherwise we would be ignorant & we can\'t have that can we.\n','8192c4d9049d7a2f41c126b88882c994',0,'','0EZ1MQqe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4410,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1063690417,1,0,1,1,1,1,'miketripp','Re: You guys','I\'m brand new to the site and the boards but doesn\'t it seem that this forum \"Best/Worst Lists\" should be filled with top 5/10/50, etc...   \n\nThere should be plenty of other forums for more in depth discussion of films.  And perhaps people could go into brief detail about top movies on their list..  but this forum in particular seems geared towards list makers.. nothing wrong with that.\n\nIf more detailed discussion is desired, it\'s up to us to start more in depth discussion on this or the other forums.','5e556d8a847ff1034873a2f0592d039c',0,'','TLKFr4kq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4411,820,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064036354,1,0,1,1,1,1,'darkthirty','Re: You guys','Well, a number of my top ten films have only 3 or 4 votes cast at all, so they\'ll be a long time getting to the top 100. They are either pretty recent (Whale Rider, Werckmeister Harmonies), or haven\'t entered the \"canon\", as it were (Landscape in the Mist), though they deserve to be there. I find films by following the personal picks of the posters here. The top 10/100 lists are just ways to get around, find someone with similar tastes, and branch out to new films.','712ac49680303a6320681fffa7de8efe',0,'','tKJZEyX2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4412,821,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047236967,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Semiramide','Where my dogs at','Just a test -- IMDB is down this weekend so I thought the 15,000 IMDB users coudl hang out here. Whaddya say? Do you have any snacks? Can I make a long distance telephone call on your phone?','d34f1f1fb09d479b4ccbe87b83fecd06',0,'','9LQpbSc3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4413,821,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1047237378,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Where my dogs at','Just as long as you leave your shoes by the door.','cdda92ef15f698b882035b51df5fc945',0,'','ALUh2K3c',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4414,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048274091,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trippsahoy','Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','This is a question for all the people out there that like their movies to be FUN! I want to know your favorite movies. Not some silent foreign movie made in the 40’s by some artsy f#@% I never heard of. I like my movies with a lot of action, a lot of sex, and a very clever plot. I really enjoyed Delicatessen, Brotherhood of the Wolf, Run Lola Run, Wasabi, Romance, and Y Tu Mama Tambein…. What else is out there? ','cc348f742ba886219b73dbfb4f438766',0,'','iYpc98wa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4415,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048278352,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bmxsuperhero','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','I\'ve never heard anyone describe the film \"Romance\" as a fun film (or a good one, for that matter).','5eff5b03c7deaa047d41d3b03feb41f5',0,'','2DU6dYvc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4416,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048283065,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','\"Six-String Samurai\"','3760b7223f331126f9c9467989fefad3',0,'','QyV56237',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4417,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048377495,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tumadretumadre','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','Man... try out Doberman, Luna Papa, El dia de la Bestia (awesome) and of course any of El Santo\'s movies.','5440d8b54e71430669cedd0398c75b53',0,'','BUHQ5Ecv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4418,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048527256,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trippsahoy','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','Ya, your right, Romance wasn’t that much of a fun movie to watch.  I was just using that for the “lots of sex “ angle.  But come to think of it, it wasn’t that much of a sexy movie, just graphic.  You know what….. scratch that movie from my list, bad example. Jpmccusa, Six String Samurai is the perfect film Im looking for, now I just have to find it.Thanks.','496645c85db9bac2e72fe3880019079e',0,'','HeYGLxWJ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4419,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048718125,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gimferrer','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','\n\nEl Dia De La Bestia\n\nLe Placard\n\nDinner Du Cons\n\nMujeres Al Border De Un Ataque De Nervios\n\n','d69dbdcc7c78426231e96fa426846595',0,'','jx9hkvJB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4420,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048906520,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tastlikeburning','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','Whenever I need a \"fun\" movie I watch a John Waters film.','fbc890e001ec5a5f237877a6db89ff55',0,'','6GdVfYvC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4421,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048907505,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tastlikeburning','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','I forgot to add Rocky Horror, just in case I feel like singing.\n','a127771c8e831e7c13e883d7f36fc818',0,'','DX9pY80o',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4422,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049079022,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','john waters ,pedro almodovar films spring to mind.\nalso sanjuro & yojimbo are very enjoyable,mifune just takes over as only he can.','7ea56f8c7b1a450cd4ed1cbb3b1bc578',0,'','G7zM40ds',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4423,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049256073,1,0,1,1,1,1,'ygie','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','Tatie Danielle.\n','86046f4efdb176fd02a0295c5a57b280',0,'','tqc4TJKD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4424,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049677671,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','Dracula Has Risen From The Grave\nDriller Killer\nDracula Goes To The Seaside\nThe Fog-I Couldn`t see the point of this one\nZombie Flesh Eaters','0c10c9d47c082401662e08a2254f8b3a',0,'','27TXpUtR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4425,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059744059,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','Fun--Pulp Fiction, musicals are fun--but you can only watch them once, because by the second time, they lose their charm.  I wonder why.','f3da4c8dfdcac06f37912cdbf9f7cbc1',0,'','efpJcYPZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4426,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059762214,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','Foreign- Divorce Italian Style, any early Alberto Sordi, e.g. Il Vigile or Costa Azzurra, Sessomatto, a segment in which Giancarlo Giannini as the Sicilian immigrant to Milano falls in love with his long-lost unrecognizable transvestite brother..\n\nDomestic - definitely John Waters, especially Crybaby...favorite scene - Troy Donahue in a courtroom fixing the flat on his wife\'s iron lung.','2313a322a20a58bf1385419c9321fc72',0,'','j2K6UnZg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4427,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060463136,1,0,1,1,1,1,'thegreatken1','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','A lot of films with Peter Sellers is what I call fun.\n-\"What\'s  New, Pussycat?\"\n-\"Casino Royale\"\n-\"Dr. Strangelove...\"\n-the Pink Panther movies\n-\"The Magic Christian\"\n-\"The Party\"\n-\"I Love You, Alice B. Toklas\"\n\nThere are some other fun films.\n-I agree with \"The Rocky Horror Picture Show\" because it was turned into an interactive film.\n-Scrolling through all of John Waters\' films, \"Polyester\" is the most fun because of the famous \"Smellovision\" cards.\n-William Castle films like \"The Tingler\".\n-\"It\'s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World\".  That is fun to watch. ','165b632ec5bd265f2524a9a57e30b23b',0,'','9lJs2LHr',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4428,822,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060778471,1,0,1,1,1,1,'nina*','Re: Whats your favorite \"FUN\" movie.','as a vegetarian I\'d agree that Delicatessen is fun...as a feminist Farinelli....;-) ','320988044629453551b7f63ecedb3be1',0,'','tQHpkUrS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4429,823,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048448465,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Since I\'m bored, here\'s my top 20','1. The Godfather+The Godfather Part II (Coppola)\n2. Seven Samurai (Kurosawa)\n3. Citizen Kane (Welles)\n4. The Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)\n5. Star Wars trilogy (Lucas, Kershner, Maquand)\n6. Jules et Jim (Truffaut)\n7. Apocalypse Now (Coppola)\n8. Dollars trilogy (Leone)\n9. The Rules of the Game (Renoir)\n10. Jean de Florette (Berri)\n11. Schindler\'s List (Spielberg)\n12. Sansho the Bailiff (Mizoguchi)\n13. 8 1/2 (Fellini)\n14. Blade Runner (Scott)\n15. Bicycle Thieves (De Sica)\n16. Goodfellas (Scorsese)\n17. Ivan the Terrible (Eisenstein)\n18. The Exorcist (Freidkin)\n19. A Clockwork Orange (Kubrick)\n20. Breathless (Godard)\n\nFilms which almost got into the top 20,\n\nVertigo (Hitchcock)\nThe 400 Blows (Truffaut)\nL\'age D\'or (Bunuel)\n2001 (Kubrick)\nRashomon (Kurosawa)\nOnce Upon A Time in America (Leone)','5434fc0a6a5723dcfbefc076d339b1b5',0,'','2C6jcViT',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4430,823,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048453224,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Re: Since I\'m bored, here\'s my top 20','i m glad to know that i m not the only one who is bored and lemme give a bit good-film-to-see list here but i think more then 20 :)\nin random order:\nSchindler\'s List (Speilberg)\nSaving Private Ryan (Speilberg)\nPi  (Darren Aronofsky)\nAmadeus  (Milos Forman)\nFargo (Coen Bros.)\nThe Man Who Wasnt There (Coen Bros.)\nMemento (Chirstopher Nolan)\nAmelie (Jena-Pierre Jeunet)\nTitanic (James cameron)\nA Clockwork Orange (Kubrick)\nThe Others (Alejandro Amenabar)\nDonus-The Return (Turkan Soray)\nSelvi Boylum, Al Yazmalim-The Girl With Red Scarf (Atif Yilmaz)\nBeing John Malkowich (Spike Jonze)\nDas Boot (Wolfgang Peterson)\nFight Club (David Fincher)\nGame (David Fincher)\nGladiator (Ridley Scott)\nThe Piano (Jane Campion)\nCrouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon ( Ang Lee)\nMatrix (Waschowsky Bros.)\nSome Like it Hot (Wilder)\nTruman Show (Peter Weir)\n\n\n\n','5af55df9ce457e2e3903fabd713cfc27',0,'','8HSWgJkj',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4431,823,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048857432,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Since I\'m bored, here\'s my top 20','Have you come across YMDB? - you can list your top 20, and the 5 other users with closest affinity will be highlighted. As you have Sansho in your 20 (and other good ones, of course), Henry, please do enter! And everyone else here, too; the site there could do with some more decent lists, as it\'s overloaded with latest Hollywood. Surprise, surprise. \n\nMine;\n1.Sansho the Bailiff (Mizoguchi)\n2.Andrei Rublev (Tarkovsky)\n3.Paris Texas (Wenders)\n4.Story of the Late Chrysanthemums (Mizoguchi)\n5.Sunrise (Murnau)\n6.Mirror (Tarkovsky)\n7.Alice in the Cities (Wenders)\n8.Maborosi (Kore-eda)\n9.The Green Ray/Summer (Rohmer)\n10.North by North West (Hitchcock)\n11.La Regle du Jeu (Renoir)\n12.Seven Samurai (Kurosawa)\n13.Abraham Valley (Oliveira)\n14.2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)\n15.Some Like it Hot (Wilder)\n16.Late Spring (Ozu)\n17.Letter from an Unknown Woman (Ophuls)\n18.Tales of the Taira Clan (Mizoguchi)\n19.Celine and Julie go Boating (Rivette)\n20.Vertigo (Hitchcock)  ','53e4b8635f07b3916858be7a69773537',0,'','zYq5UWSL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4432,823,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048871789,1,0,1,1,1,1,'somegreatmovies','Re: Since I\'m bored, here\'s my top 20','I wasn\'t going to list mine again, but since john-5 did.  and it\'s just plain fun. (In no order, and will change constantly, but interesting, nonetheless). \n1. The Visitation (Nick Dorsky)\n2. Nissan Arriana Window (Ken Jacobs)\n3. The Man Who Invented Gold (MacLaine)\n4. Anticipation of the Night (Brakhage)\n5. LMNO (Breer)\n6. Meshes of the Afternoon \n7. The Back Steps (Pierce)\n8. The General\n9. God\'s Stepchildren\n10. Band Wagon\n11. Killer of Sheep\n12. The Warriors\n13. Rio Bravo \n14. Shock Corridor \n15. The Thin Red Line\n16. Six O\'Clock News\n17. Where is the Friends Home?\n18. Van Gogh\n19. The Straight Story\n20. In a Year of 13 Moons','b1b6a12f61e8883af1eb6792ea91ccdc',0,'','y1xvrzTD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4433,823,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048874894,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Since I\'m bored, here\'s my top 20','Very avant-garde! Some Brakhage and other avant-garde films, including Anticipation of the Night (which i\'ve not seen), have finally become available on dvd/video in Britain, but my usual source are only selling not renting them. I\'m tempted but it could be an expensive risk! I\'ll try some persuasion over rental, first.\n\nThe General; i presume it\'s the Keaton masterpiece on your list, (not the Boorman). Anyway, a good chance to plug it as Brecon film society (Wales)\' next screening on 7th April. With live, specially composed musical accompaniment- promises to be a grand entertainment. Our resident composer gets to know these silent films very intimately (in fact better than anyone), as he\'s a perfectionist about timing the score to fit the images and mood- which certainly isn\'t the case with many others i\'ve come across. All too often the music on video/dvd for silent films feels like it could have been written for any film. Lazy!\n\nThe Band Wagon just missd out on my 20, but it really is wonderful. The second half, the extended Girl Hunt sequence and the closing speech by Cyd Charisse (which always has me gulping- good old Fred) in particular. It just pips Singin in the Rain, imo.','dbef0e15a23ee9c92bb552b5c125ee46',0,'','T8tGrwiM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4434,823,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052989885,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Since I\'m bored, here\'s my top 20','RIP Stan Brakhage. A true pioneer. Ask me a week ago I\'d say different things. As of this second:\n\nStory of the Late Chrysantheum (Mizoguchi)\nLate Spring (Ozu)\nSpirited Away (Miyazaki)\nL\'Atalante (Vigo)\nehhh...I can\'t get into it right now.\n\nAnyone else watch Trading Spaces on TLC? I am addicted to this show and now I TiVO it like crazy. I am obsessed and even watch the BBC original, Changing Rooms. Am I gay or does anyone else here love this show?','6f14be1a5b0b73958de56fee3329cdc0',0,'','BACT2SD0',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4435,823,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053032245,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Since I\'m bored, here\'s my top 20','I can\'t believe Changing Rooms gets exported to America. Just goes to show your public is as bad as ours.','7de4a5664d215b7853597a10f6b8a109',0,'','g0il4QLD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4436,823,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053239848,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Since I\'m bored, here\'s my top 20','I\'m sure I\'ve done this before, but its always fun.\n1. Citizen Kane (Welles)\n2. The Godfather (Coppala)\n3. All Quiet on the Western Front (Milestone)\n4. 2001:  A Space Odyssey (Kubrick)\n5. Lawrence of Arabia (Lean)\n6. Star Wars Trilogy (Lucas)\n7. 8 1/2 (Fellini)\n8. Pulp Fiction (Tarrantino)\n9. Apocalypse Now (Coppala)\n10. Singin\' in the Rain\' (Donen and Kelly)\n11. Ordinary People (Redford)\n12. The Shining (Kubrick)\n13. To Live (Yimou)\n14. Schindler\'s List (Speilberg)\n15. La Dolce Vita (Fellini)\n16. Casablanca (Curtiz)\n17. All that Jazz (Fosse)\n18. On the Waterfront (Kazan)\n19. Dances WIth Wolves (Costner)\n20. Ben-Hur (Wyler)\nSorry for all the many American films.  It has been a while since this list has been updated.  ','425c3b1efa0ac565d2ecf0bf7d4e8da8',0,'','BNrd38yZ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4437,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048513677,1,0,1,1,1,1,'for_me_blue','Which one makes you cry the most?','Which film would say were the top ones to make you cry? \n\nFor it is definitely:\n\n1. Kolya\n2. Est/Ouest\n\nLizka','511e721048e23fbf27d05245fac8b5fe',0,'','a8Mc40RK',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4438,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048527056,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','Only goodbye scenes make me cry, so\n\nAu Revoir Les Enfants\nRunning on Empty\nDeath in Venice\nPete\'s Dragon (no, don\'t laugh)\nperhaps Les Quatre Cents Coups and Breaking the Waves\nand I\'m sure there are others\n\nI used to be affected by E.T. until I realised it was a pile of manipulative rubbish.','8c2b7b038d85eb7cb2478c44e62a043c',0,'','cXGJhmb2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4439,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048593581,1,0,1,1,1,1,'for_me_blue','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','Aww Pete\'s Dragon makes me cry too, so does Dumbo.\n\nLizka','2b10edbcdf2e1ff79d21421b8cdb0f92',0,'','Ufuk5Cq3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4440,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048711955,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','I\'ve always said \"if you don\'t cry during The Lion King, you have no soul\". I also cried in Schindler\'s List, Forrest Gump and On the Waterfront.','6f08877f131b1dc7589fed21faa0c98e',0,'','gP8NeECX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4441,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048729678,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','SHOAH hands down the barber shop scene is very moving & very difficult to watch as the film goes for 9 hours i think it would have to be the choice.','8601944297f38a435af3c4b447f4770f',0,'','9L0ve8kl',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4442,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048867365,1,0,1,1,1,1,'m00npsyche','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','Life Is Beautiful\n\ni remember watching this with my mom and sisters. i think our crying lasted longer than the ending credits. we were that much affected by the story. beautiful indeed :)','6e67eb84de7f4283f73d5307b7d5996d',0,'','GurNJaM4',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4443,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048906321,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tastlikeburning','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','I NEVER cry in movies. I didn\'t even shed a tear for The Lion King (I guess I have no soul Henry) but Almodovar\'s All About My Mother made me ball like a baby.','fd30671682452c60476613a9f017c9e9',0,'','FU82icXx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4444,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049168547,1,0,1,1,1,1,'shaylahilt','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','The Thief!  You must see The Thief!  ','65b19360e3166f9cbb21fc0c2e3772cb',0,'','RzMbNlxQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4445,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049209954,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','The Thief was an exact answer for tear-jerker, err i cried so much that my eyes was crimson :) it affected me so much perhaps because my father is dead when i was at 9 and The kid\'s love-hate for his dad and his jeolous for his mom is familiar with me :)','59ff69e2e5268a2ee1f69b2dad78fe18',0,'','fY7dJPx6',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4446,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1050548205,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bjornam','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','\"Paths of Glory\" by Stanley Kubrick.\n\"In the Mood for Love\" by Wong Kar-Wai.','870874b1ecb4aca25ede510f9e4f1912',0,'','chvCS5XV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4447,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1050992353,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','Roberto Succo made me a bit','7cf8ba43b20e9c943f088549b9459e75',0,'','RFoKruaA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4448,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051067159,1,0,1,1,1,1,'CulinaryJen','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','Camille Claudel','34271fbfd8e7d8f79f6df4355b28e7db',0,'','z2SD7kpx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4449,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052627214,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Zors','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','Fellini\'s La Strada. Julieta Masina\'s eyes are so liquid and sad. And how she dies! :(','e5e34be2a6ca76a00943591996198996',0,'','bdzqnQka',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4450,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053195006,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wvq','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','Well, the end of Umberto D makes me weep uncontrollably.  I realize how manipulative it is and all, but I can\'t think of a single other movie that hits me on a gut level in that way.  ','b3c95e3e618be488e301dcddec8d86b4',0,'','q0ir4gJc',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4451,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053239384,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','I have a hard time showing emotion, but the closest to tears I have gotten in a film was Zhang Yimou\'s To Live.','839cfdd620c10750128d08916c39ca5d',0,'','Np6sHYC2',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4452,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053997546,1,0,1,1,1,1,'genjuro_xx','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','\"It Could Happen To You\" was pretty moving as well.','560eee58ff8359aabb327907af7a7a06',0,'','467f30Zv',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4453,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1056663255,1,0,1,1,1,1,'zmattster','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','When Slim pickens gets shot in front of his wife in \"Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid\", I can\'t stop the waterworks.','f9d8f3354999db3ae7ee909492eaf651',0,'','4taQVMSD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4454,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057715357,1,0,1,1,1,1,'martin_oswaldo','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','When Carmen Maura takes the cab in Almodovar´s \"Women on the verge of a nervious breakdown\". I´ve seen that film over 30 times...','7a24730002dc46096a23cc30ad605107',0,'','jAEJXZ1b',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4455,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057836017,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mezincescue','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','Dancer in a dark\nLa strada\nThe nights of Cabiria\nTalk to her','99a0b268423f3e4567b55eff97b157f4',0,'','bqQjy9k3',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4456,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1057887414,1,0,1,1,1,1,'patsfan86','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','I lose it for only two movies I have seen......Shane, and The Cranes are Flying.','ad5e50d1ca4941f25470e839ab3eafaf',0,'','Sv8sCPEi',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4457,824,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059741197,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Which one makes you cry the most?','I cried in \"In the Mood for Love\', and strangely enough, \"Amelie.\"  Because the film presents a beautiful fanstay that could never happen in real life.','01408238119eee29447e70d4015c0d59',0,'','3H8GJtdo',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4458,825,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048907399,1,0,1,1,1,1,'tastlikeburning','Best Bad Movie','Have you ever seen a movie that was just so bad that it was good? You know, the kind of movie that takes itself way too seriously and all you can do is laugh. A few come to mind Glitter, Showgirls and my recent favorite The Hunted. ','17d5561f8abc6a3d6938dbc003d6f895',0,'','zNVRXfac',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4459,825,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048954361,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pre-tender','Re: Best Bad Movie','i think there is film that exactly fit into what you tell with it all features:\n-incredibly seriously made\n-so carbby visual effects\n-a sic-fi but u may think an absurd-comedy\nit is \"The Man Who Saves The World\" ( Dünayyi kurtaran adam) 1982- Turkey','dc97a139b70cf1587ff4c1720b17c6ef',0,'','aFyT1i5z',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4460,825,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048956526,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa','Re: Best Bad Movie','\"Hick Trek: the Moovie\" [sic]','c12135a7bfee3dc78bcf350f645148b2',0,'','BFGlQVnX',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4461,825,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1048978486,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HenryGinsberg','Re: Best Bad Movie','do you mean films which are so bad that they\'re funny? If so, there\'s Pirana 2: The Spawning(it makes James Cameron\'s other movies look plausable). I also saw a bit of a film the other day called Rattled. It was a horror all about rattle snakes. Very amusing.','5cd851c6490e575ef6e10e667ebb8426',0,'','jzsDT7dQ',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4462,825,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049153405,1,0,1,1,1,1,'trippsahoy','Re: Best Bad Movie','When I want a good bad movie, I always turn to troma videos.  They got great titles like The Toxic Avenger, Tromio and Juliet, Sgt. Kabukiman NYPD, and lets not forget about Surf Nazis Must Die. Not to foreign, but fun to watch.','47a12bc9329dbae7521e05f80c4be9ac',0,'','NgL7DfTB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4463,825,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1050728778,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mrbojangles4t','Re: Best Bad Movie','Cool as Ice(1991)- David Kellogg\n\n\"Let\'s not mince words: COOL AS ICE sucks big time. Its one redeeming feature is that it\'s unintentionally hilarious.\"-IMDB.com ','e8ce5f87c2c73a6f95c35cd1c8226627',0,'','ArK20MCB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4464,825,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059743374,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Best Bad Movie','errr, may I suggest \'Freeway?\' It\'s a modern \"Little Red Riding Hood\" with Reese Witherspoon as the title character.  It was hilarious.  I\'m not sure if it\'s that bad though.  ','394e0e31b67d8fff08d2d9ac7b20553d',0,'','kSr7fs2z',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4465,826,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049509681,1,0,1,1,1,1,'HASSELBAINK007','Film Censorship','Is the World going potty i know the Censors in the Uk are going Bozonkers.I Noticed it all going a bit odd about 2 years ago when Certain films began to surface again including the Exorcist,Driller Killer,I Spit on your Grave,Clockwork Orange.Early in the 1980s a Conservative Uk Government decided what we could and could not see and some of the above mentioned films were Banned for whatever reason.Now on Uk Tv it is perfectly normal to go Nude live on tv and even saying that nasty C-Word is Not Unusual.The Show that is typical of this is Graham Norton who is pushing his luck at times.Now it appears to be the case That the 18 Certificate in the Uk now stand for Pornography allowed Including pretty much everything you would expect to see in a Bad Porn Film.A 15 Certificate now appears to be what the old 18 used to be so Essentially all the grades have moved up 1 Level further.I Am not a prude at all but how far do they aim to go.I Am interested to know what the Censorship is like in Other Countries and if anyone agrees with the Censors in The Uk.The Films that come to mind,if anyone has not fallen asleep reading this are,Dog Days Austria,Seul Contre Tous (I Stand Alone ) France,Sex and Lucia Spain,The Idiots Denmark,The Piano Teacher Austria/France,Ai No Corrida Japan,La Vie De Jesus France,La Pornographe France,Sebastiane Uk,Intimacy France,Salo 180 Days Italy ?? Betty Blue the Uncut Version these are the ones that spring to mind or should they all take a Leaf out of Haneke`s Book ie Funny Games where you have to use your own imagination as to what is happening as he chooses not to show the Violence on screen.In Saying that i have listed La Pianiste which is one of his.Have any of these films been Censored in Your Country?? Any Comments Appreciated.I Have a fine European Collection of Films but it is getting to the stage where you cannot leave some on a shelf in case they get in to the Wrong Hands.Have The Uk Censors Gone Potty or Not????????????????','e8468a286bdc715d90a5003923acaa6f',0,'','XA5z6ThY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4466,826,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049542129,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Gaz','Re: Film Censorship','As far as I\'m concerned they can release what they like - my attitude is, if you don\'t like it, don\'t watch it.','b271c2a8f4f693eae34aa0acdf13556f',0,'','8A45PoB7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4467,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049762603,1,0,1,1,1,1,'shaylahilt','Chinese films','I have loved all the Chinese films I have seen - Raise the Red Lantern, Judou, To Live (all the same director I think), but was hoping to learn about others that I might enjoy.   Please share the ones you have loved.','3fdde15fa1c0ec43e34c062d2e01a659',0,'','onx25bl7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4468,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049766949,1,0,1,1,1,1,'kcpuden1','Re: Chinese films','Off the top of my head: Blue Kite and The King of Masks, you may like, I found both excellent.  If I think of more, I\'ll try to drop another line.','30fb5cb25f24a3b0356d41f48dbe6f64',0,'','aRSA1cfV',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4469,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049843454,1,0,1,1,1,1,'kcpuden1','Re: Chinese films','I thought of another one, Bride of the Wooden Pole, highly recommend this one.','4b82e7dfd1e73eda6250f5281471fb16',0,'','pHVnh4oA',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4470,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049911884,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Chinese films','My favourite Chinese films;\n\nRed Sorghum, Raise the Red Lantern (both directed by Zhang Yimou), Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon (Ang Lee), Two Stage Sisters (Xie Jin), Suzhou River (Lou Ye), Chungking Express (Wong Kar-Wai), Life on a String (Chen Kaige).','c4b215a8100d773518bf2828c5bd3b51',0,'','38Y1Cbqe',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4471,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1051287856,1,0,1,1,1,1,'Lex Luthor','Re: Chinese films','if you liked Zhang Yimou\'s movies mentioned above, you can also try watching Chen Kaige\'s movies. Kaige and Yimou are part of the famous 5th generation Chinese directors. try checking out Farewell My Concubine which i think is his best film. other works include Emperor and the Assassin (quite good) and Temptress Moon (ok)...','64fa1fa0afceb0a31946aeae170d6ed0',0,'','6G3cukhD',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4472,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054570006,1,0,1,1,1,1,'leaczi','Re: Chinese films','Shanghai Triad, also with Gong Li, excellent','988dcb6e63391a5d04fd4440d10adc57',0,'','TEmq7Q4v',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4473,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054577973,1,0,1,1,1,1,'aviv71','Re: Chinese films','A couple I like that haven\'t been mentioned are Eat Drink Man Woman and Happy Times.','916941823b1c99e789636b0c061dce53',0,'','nJqBGrdW',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4474,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054583760,1,0,1,1,1,1,'iceomat','Re: Chinese films','Also enjoyed Yimou\'s Not One Less. ','b5fa82166b5f47bcbe612357a2e18937',0,'','iMUFR4Sg',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4475,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058067880,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: Chinese films','I strongly recommend Tian Zhuangzhuang\'s The Blue Kite, if you liked Zhang Yimou\'s To Live, it\'s not as evocative, but it\'s one of the most beautifully shot films I\'ve ever seen. Branching out from the mainland a bit, the other film I\'d recommend is Edward Yang\'s A Brighter Summer\'s Day, which is 230 mins long, but worth it. ','62ccf206b664f04815d8a8ed7100650c',0,'','B26VwSFt',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4476,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058166736,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Chinese films','A BRIGHTER SUMMER DAY is the only film I own in the inferior vcd format. I was unable to find it on dvd. I DREAM of watching theatre screenings of Edward Yang\'s masterpiece and Bela Tarr\'s SATANTANGO. Is BRIGHTER out on dvd in the UK?','01a47015c0734659f58bcbd21df2ae70',0,'','dquXJTHa',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4477,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1058732849,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jacobf','Re: Chinese films','Ditto earlier recommendations on Zhang Yimou and Chen Kaige.  Also check out Taiwanese directors like Ang Lee (pre-Hollywood) and Edward Yang who create similar poignancy through meaningful stories and excellent characters.  I personally feel Yang\'s Yi Yi (A One and a Two) and Lee\'s Yin Shi Nan Nu (Eat Drink Man Woman) may be two of the best movies I\'ve ever seen in any language.  We own both on DVD and have watched them each 5 or 6 times with increased appreciation and fondness each viewing.  Lee\'s Tui Shou (Pushing Hands) and Xi Yan (Wedding Banquet) are also excellent picks.','941cd1a3e874262619f5e1b5c24a7dd6',0,'','LvGF1RWS',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4478,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059662768,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Chinese films','is wedding banquet the one about a gay chinese guy in america who has to pretend to be married so as not to marry the girl promised to him, when his traditional parents arrive to check out how he\'s doing?','db5f0729de2eded7dd30fd15b6d6b908',0,'','qnYGNWr1',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4479,827,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059662898,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Chinese films','i love wong kar-wai\'s \"in the mood for love.\"  \"Temptress moon\" is ok as well; it stars \'raise the red lantern\'s star, gong li, with leslie cheung.  ','48c168f0e1ec74abc0995e869fb6a3ab',0,'','8nt1QSX7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4480,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1049804031,1,0,1,1,1,1,'szindbad','Most pessimistic film','\"The wind of the night\" - P. Garrel\n\"The beekeeper\" - T. Angelopoulos\n\"From the life of the marionettes\" - I. Bergman\n\"Irréversible\" - G. Noé\n\"No end\" - K. Kieœlowski\n\"Salo\" - P. P. Pasolini\n\"Video blues\" - Á. Sopsits\n\"Three brothers\" - T. Villaverde\n','f1d89f73ac090f1d4d22b55e107b4d4e',0,'','5z1mnAHB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4481,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052989190,1,0,1,1,1,1,'bigpoppa_2059','Re: Most pessimistic film','Good list. Def. agree with Irreversible. I love Noe, but that movie and his earlier I Stand Alone depress the hell out of me. Also, even though they\'re American you\'ve gotta see Neil LaBute\'s In the Company of Men & Your Friends and Neighbors. This man is angry and his films are about men and women playing cruel, mean tricks to each other and he has a very pessimisitc view of relationships (he\'s a Mormon too!)','50a0dde8d10f0053ec97cec929b2d6f3',0,'','Si3D1XHL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4482,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1053240711,1,0,1,1,1,1,'wpqx','Re: Most pessimistic film','Anything from Mizoguchi, particularly Life of Oharu.','12ea59b3042b368642991f43dfd4297c',0,'','flZK4wbB',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4483,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1054360742,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pukeypfilm','Re: Most pessimistic film','I would add:\nDream Life of Angels\nBattle Royale','f0ca301b27c59cc749004a4032397a7a',0,'','Sbc6iL3a',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4484,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1059743244,1,0,1,1,1,1,'smurfrevolt','Re: Most pessimistic film','Requiem for a Dream--a really depressing film.','1e422f44b98122e4b1697f54dfc5ca48',0,'','rkREAh2H',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4485,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060494013,1,0,1,1,1,1,'donna.lane','Re: Most pessimistic film','I would also add \"The Piano Teacher\" by Michael Haneke.  This was one extremely dark and pessimistic film.\n','9c12b9bcc399eaf1507f386099c78ef3',0,'','7koKfQBH',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4486,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1060501738,1,0,1,1,1,1,'jpmccusa','Re: Most pessimistic film','\"Acla\"','1af2a58bfc8a7a712176d7ecf527c7ae',0,'','uFTdU7Az',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4487,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062223899,1,0,1,1,1,1,'cwilliams415','Re: Most pessimistic film','SHOESHINE 1946 BY DE SICA\nVERY DARK, A HOPELESS, HURTFUL AND ALL TOGETHER DEPRESSING FILM, BUT ONE OF THE BEST NON-ENGLISH EVER, IN MY HUMBLE VIEW.','1e2ca38e44fc2718d1ed14f40c2a1ff1',0,'','odPGNV0v',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4488,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062423513,1,0,1,1,1,1,'johndav','Re: Most pessimistic film','Mizoguchi depressing? I can\'t agree with wpqx. His films leave me uplifted and deeply satisfied, however superficially unhappy some of the outcomes may be. Their spiritual strength, beauty, artistic mastery, emotional power and humanism transcend pessimism. \n\nBergman\'s Summer with Monika has a needlessly pessimistic ending, as if he equates angst with depth. It is out of keeping with the joyous freedom of most of the film, and seems artificial and almost perverse as a result. I find Tarkovsky a much more optimistic film-maker.\n\n','86f812403d8e4473fd52acf78a004556',0,'','GMLN5D2w',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4489,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1062950436,1,0,1,1,1,1,'pathewbach','Re: Most pessimistic film','I would completely agree with \"Requiem for a Dream\" by far one of the most depressing films I have ever seen.  \"Irreversible\", although the most horrific film I\'ve seen in a while, was done so well that I wasn\'t left feeling quite so depressed, although I should have, if you understand.....','f9394ad25ee9df02b2949032810105e8',0,'','l9BVDXU7',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4490,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064025300,1,0,1,1,1,1,'spkrauszer','Re: Most pessimistic film','\"Persona\", maybe...i guess i could have said any bergman (except maybe \'fanny and alexander\'), but i remember this one as being pessimistic','89c9e84e6a08c055af56c4e8bc4a35c3',0,'','bc1vF2SL',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4491,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064034923,1,0,1,1,1,1,'darkthirty','Re: Most pessimistic film','Werckmeister Harmonies - starts out the most generous film possible, ends with mumbling shell of a life.','bfe3cc02496737dc262686a8d3701d9b',0,'','ABSs2KLM',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4492,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064297450,1,0,1,1,1,1,'groom_daniel','Re: Most pessimistic film','Mizoguchi\'s films are depressing, and no doubt he was a pessimist, but towards the end of his life he became a devout Buddhist. His later films always seem contemplative of the impermanence of life and the unresolvable nature of human tragedy. They\'re transcendent, because of his spiritual beliefs, but I don\'t find them uplifting. They\'re tragedies, and even if you prefer to look at them in human terms, the oppression that he loathed so much is always brought about by flaws in human nature that are unredeemable. Some critics believe that Mizoguchi\'s films assert a political responsibility in preventing injustices, which may be true, but I think ultimately his films are compassionate to the victims. ','c914c58f20269ed5d8f5a7c51b22419e',0,'','BsJdQLpY',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4493,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1064864943,1,0,1,1,1,1,'dianem','Re: Most pessimistic film','Last Exit to Brooklyn by Uli Edel...Jennifer Jason Leigh throughout the movie, but especially her on her back on a filthy mattress with guys lined up....','62155542ae7ae739525cacd18b67ec7c',0,'','HJ1StTsw',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4494,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066647419,1,0,1,1,1,1,'mir','Re: Most pessimistic film','Happiness by Todd Solondz. The film is anything but a happy film. Depressing but fascinating.','62bd6122261aa1c0098f095be094b3dd',0,'','qro4xKDn',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4495,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1066895270,1,0,1,1,1,1,'texan_gal','Re: Most pessimistic film','Pasolini\'s Salo','b14356efbf7c56af5cb5d83aac4ab9ef',0,'','WaAdUizx',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4496,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067539766,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gregb','Re: Most pessimistic film','Dreamlife of Angels is sad but not pessimistic - one of the female characters is a very loving person and good friend. A film that believes that there are good people out there does not qualify for pessimism.','ff9c021abf1e7c78cac4e6112fcd2617',0,'','92ukEAtC',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4497,828,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1067904885,1,0,1,1,1,1,'stof_','Re: Most pessimistic film','I found that Requiem was much more disturbing than depressing. It still sends a shiver up my spine whenever I think about it.\nThe Bicycle Thief is incredibly sad and depressing. This isn\'t a criticism, I absolutely love that film, but its quite the opposite of uplifting.','43cd6f314c7c44dd9036b35c78dfdd1f',0,'','MVJSFugs',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4498,829,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052102658,1,0,1,1,1,1,'gratefultiger','Great DIrectors Worst Films','Antonioni..Zabriskie Point (even the music of the Grateful Dead,Pink Floyd& John Fahey) can\'t save this turkey,this is the type of stuff that gives old hippies & radicals a bad name visually good but the acting & ridiculous scipt no wonder john Fahey punched the director out!\n\n2.Pasolini..  SALO.. i take the anti fascism on board, but he went too far for me on this one.\n\n3.Fassbinder... Querelle ..colorful but essentially dull queer homage i forgive rainer as he was obviously on the way out by this time.\n\n','d0446ea0f16f0179965f20cbf0dab23f',0,'','bCvFEzUR',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4499,829,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052314268,1,0,1,1,1,1,'john-5','Re: Great DIrectors Worst Films','I agree about Zabriskie and Querelle (i\'m not keen on several Fassbinder) but Salo i consider- disgusting as it is- above average Pasolini. His weakest for me are Canterbury Tales, and Hawks and Sparrows. \n\nI love several of Wenders\' earlier films, and though many may not consider him a \"great\" director even for his best work, his decline has been a terrible disappointment.\n\nFellini Casanova (and some of his other later films are self-indulgent, repetitive doodling).\nCoppola: Jack\nBresson: The Devil Probably\nBertolucci: Last Tango in Paris. \nI also find it hard to believe that a great director could have made Kundun.','22b8bf807bea83453f3190eb022b88f6',0,'','br1968Bq',1,0,'',0,0,0),(4500,829,7,1,0,'69.120.114.47',1052321801,1,0,1,1,1,1,'auteur','Re: Great DIrectors Worst Films','[i]Juliet of the Spirits[/i] marked the beginning of Fellini\'s second phase when his excesses became liabilities. Soon he began to use his name in the titles. Fellini became a commodity. I also agree with most of your other choices. I was flabbergasted by your inclusion of two favorites: [i]Last Tango in Paris[/i] and [i]Kundun[/i]. Given your excellent opinions elsewhere in this forum, I promise to be open minded about any explication you may wish to provide.','f514b13c55e0b02313af0007c5d6b38a',0,'','fihjWzC8',1,0,'',0,0,0),