Allright, Trev. I guess this is the new thread. First of all, I don't think that A Hole in My Heart is a great film; certainly no where near the quality of Lilya-4-Ever. But I think the point Moodysson tried to convey is that most of us aren't easily shocked by anything nowadays. These "reality" shows have almost desensitized us of everthing, including any emotions. But then, much like the problem Bruno Dumont's 29 Palm ran into, which is to what measure and how far is one gonna go to portray a message? It becomes a little meaningless if it's hard to read.