Mary Lou, I guess I didn&#39;t mention it here in the dock - my DIL is back home and they have decided to go to marriage counseling, so my grandson is very happy.  Can&#39;t remember if I posted this or not, but about a yr. and a half ago, when she was about 6 months pregnant, the baby died in utero, and she had to deliver him knowing he was dead.  My son said that she really changed then and really has never been the same.  I have gone thru the exact same thing and I know what a traumatic impact it can have on her and I have talked to her before about getting counseling and dealing with that instead of just pushing it aside.  Hopefully the marriage counselor will suggest the same thing.  Joey, if you really do use OxiClean, you can get the 14 lb. tub at CostCo for 13.79.  I love the stuff.  Mercedes, as much as I would love to see that new car appear at Christmas, it won&#39;t happen.  Greg will never have a car payment and while we do have the resources that would enable him to pay cash for it, it would take a considerable chunk out of savings and I don&#39;t think, when he is trying to save so he can retire at 50, that he will want to take 60 grand or so out to spend on a car that we really don&#39;t need, as we have 4 vehicles as it is, so mine is really just a pipe dream.   Well, I am off to Penney&#39;s and Target, hopefully everyone else is town doesn&#39;t have the same thought....