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I haven&#39;t had any really good shine in some time...good shine goes down like water, but when it hits bottom the warmth just fills you from the inside out. The better ingredients that are use the better the final product, and most of all the water HAS to be the purist..it can make or break the mash.. <img src='http://www.cruisecrazies.com/community/images/forum/tr-emoticons/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes2:' />